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Colin Farrell's Sex Tape · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: We come to this place for magic. We come to
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  Speaker 1: a MC feed is to laugh, to cry, to care,
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  Speaker 1: because we need that, all of us, that indescribable feeling
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  Speaker 1: we get when the lights begin to deem and we
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  Speaker 1: go somewhere we've never been before, not just entertained, but
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  Speaker 1: somehow reborn. Take together. Okay, for the virgins, they have
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  Speaker 1: to know that we were in the theater getting ready
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  Speaker 1: to see Batman, and of course Rose and I just
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  Speaker 1: you know, clutch each other just fully anticipating the Nicole
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  Speaker 1: Kidman anti theaters and when it started there were definitely
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  Speaker 1: some other queers in the theater because they applauded when
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  Speaker 1: as soon as Nicole Kidman's the high heel hit the
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  Speaker 1: ground hit. And then towards the end when Nicole Kidman says,
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  Speaker 1: because here they are, the gaze at the back of
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  Speaker 1: the theater wet. They are perfect units, perfect. It was
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  Speaker 1: the best hone to set. It was. They were queering
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  Speaker 1: the space. They were queering the space, as if Batman
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  Speaker 1: isn't queer enough. All of this is to say that
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  Speaker 1: today we're talking about Batman, both the new film The
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  Speaker 1: Batman starring Robert Pattinson and Zoe Kravitz and also the
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  Speaker 1: Batman and people that Mexicans, that the bad people of yesteryear.
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  Speaker 1: Because this is like a virgin the show where we
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  Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you
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  Speaker 1: and I'm fran Toronto, and uh, we are going to
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  Speaker 1: be diving into the Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher eras
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  Speaker 1: of Batman. But unlike Joel Schumacher, we will not be
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  Speaker 1: discussing the ten thousand to twenty thousand people we have
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  Speaker 1: slept with. Speak for yourself, babe, this is gonna be
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  Speaker 1: this is This is a podcast first and foremost about
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  Speaker 1: taking loads, taking an honor of Joel Schumacher ten to
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  Speaker 1: twenty thousand loads, which is a really big gap to
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  Speaker 1: Joel Schumacher's twenty thousand load weekends. But first, uh, there's
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  Speaker 1: a whole other pile of garbage we have to sift
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  Speaker 1: through from the week's news and pop culture mama Let's research.
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  Speaker 1: As Gina Rodriguez one said, well, the most infuriating thing
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  Speaker 1: that could have happened on the Drag Race episode on
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  Speaker 1: Friday did happen. And I'm not just talking about the
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: fact that Apple TV Plus didn't add the episode for
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  Speaker 1: a full forty eight hours after it premiered. Um, there
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: was a double save, which it doesn't matter who it is.
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  Speaker 1: It could be the best drag queens who have ever
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  Speaker 1: competed on the show. It could be two people I
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  Speaker 1: know personally, I never want two people to be saved ever.
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  Speaker 1: I want a double elimination. When I saw the double
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  Speaker 1: save this week, I just I could hear and and
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  Speaker 1: Crystal clearly imagine you destroying your furniture and your own home.
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  Speaker 1: Just you told me what I saw you on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: You asked if i'd seen Drag Race set and I
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: said no, and he said, oh, you're gonna hate You're
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: gonna hate it. They're gonna be so mad. Um. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing that's really investing me in this season of
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: Drag Race anymore in drag Race UK. Honestly, I just
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  Speaker 1: want willow Hill to win so we can all go home.
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  Speaker 1: The fatigue is real. Yeah, I think what's happening with
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  Speaker 1: willow Hill is like so exciting, Like what a winner,
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  Speaker 1: what a fierce competitor. I think that, you know, Algeria
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  Speaker 1: is kind of fading into the middling ground territory. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just and I think that this double save was just
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  Speaker 1: like where are the steaks? Girls? Like where is like
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  Speaker 1: my personal stake in this? And similarly with drag Race
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  Speaker 1: UK Versus the World, it's like I don't really care
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  Speaker 1: about who wins anymore, like it would be nice and
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  Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely not, Like obviously this episode is going to
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: come out a full two days after the finale, so
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  Speaker 1: none of none of this like even matters. But none
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  Speaker 1: of it matters anyway because as soon as Pangina was eliminated,
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  Speaker 1: I lost all interest in UK Versus the World. Yeah, oh,
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  Speaker 1: did you see that Willow Hill came out as trans? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: And I saw Herod's tweet The Herods Herod's tweet that
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  Speaker 1: was like RuPaul realizing she cast four women on drag
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  Speaker 1: Race and it's like the meme of the woman destroying
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  Speaker 1: her house. Um yeah, I feel like some someone got
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  Speaker 1: fired on the ranch for that one. Yeah, the dolls
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  Speaker 1: are dolling because now we have it was started with
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  Speaker 1: Carrie and corn Bread, then Jasmine, then Willow and I
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  Speaker 1: guess Bosco as well, who I think is out as
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  Speaker 1: trans feminine trans. So that's like that's like five how
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  Speaker 1: many when were in this cast? I don't know. Also,
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  Speaker 1: how are we still not at Snatch Game? And when
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: they said next week Snatch Game, I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: was like yeah, I was like how And I am
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: like such a lover of drag Race, like unlike you, I,
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  Speaker 1: I really do like it is something that I will
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  Speaker 1: always always be excited to sit down and watch. But like, man,
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  Speaker 1: I think that they're the production and like how these
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  Speaker 1: seasons are spinning out is like not really keeping me
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  Speaker 1: plugged into the characters. But anyways, willow Hill Supremacy yea.
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  Speaker 1: I will also say last week something that I was
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  Speaker 1: also too sick and dehydrated and exhausted to discuss, probably
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: to your delight, was the Euphoria finale. I'm so okay,
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  Speaker 1: let let me go make a copee while this all
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  Speaker 1: start talking to Oh my god, so now put your
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  Speaker 1: headphones back on. She's literally leaving right now. Come on, Rose,
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  Speaker 1: we need to make the podcast but for the virgins,
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  Speaker 1: because I know there are a lot of virgins who
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  Speaker 1: watch Euphoria, which is why it's worth discussing, and also
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  Speaker 1: just like it's an amazing show to you. To me,
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  Speaker 1: I felt like the finale was great, but I felt
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  Speaker 1: like the play within a play was better. I felt
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  Speaker 1: like the play within a play did was so successful
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  Speaker 1: at making fun of Euphoria as a show, like making
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  Speaker 1: fun of all the things that are really extreme about
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: literally euphoria the TV show, from the homo eroticism of
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: Nate to like how slutty all of these characters are too,
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  Speaker 1: the really high stakes drama. Like it actually kind of
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  Speaker 1: brought the show back to you. Even though obviously everyone's saying,
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: like the budget of this play is like absolutely crazy,
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  Speaker 1: I felt like it was totally earned because, um, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know when I you into an art school, I
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: went to an extremely arts driven school. Um, we had
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  Speaker 1: sets that we're on like you know, macinated like rotators,
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  Speaker 1: like we we and like I know that so did
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  Speaker 1: we all, although we also did the thing a lot
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  Speaker 1: where you have, um, one of those big rolling staircases
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  Speaker 1: that that like stand in for for every possible type
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  Speaker 1: of structure or whatever happened. Yeah, And that's the thing is,
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  Speaker 1: like I think our high school imaginations are so active
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  Speaker 1: that like our heightened sense of reality makes that experience
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  Speaker 1: like like this is the best thing that's ever happening,
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  Speaker 1: Like in our brains, it's like so so brilliant and
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  Speaker 1: gorgeous and amazing, but like, when you actually look at it,
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  Speaker 1: it's like a bunch of plywood painted by you know,
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  Speaker 1: kids that were in detention, not in my school. You
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  Speaker 1: had to, like, you had to sign up to paint
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  Speaker 1: those sides. We had a shop class, but there weren't
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  Speaker 1: enough people signed up for shop and so I think
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  Speaker 1: detention kids also had to make our stage sets. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I won't harpen it anymore other than to say that
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  Speaker 1: I felt like all the empathy that I was like
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: led to feel about Lexi, I really did not feel
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  Speaker 1: for this whole season until her play, and then I
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  Speaker 1: felt like her play totally earned all of this character
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  Speaker 1: development that we had been witnessing. And yeah, I just
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  Speaker 1: totally enjoyed it, even if if we love to see
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: him a nepotism baby succeeding good from Apata. Were you,
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: I guess satisfied with the end of the season. I
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: felt like there was an over emphasis on Lexi in
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: the last half of the finale. I kind of wanted
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: to go back to more core characters um but that
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: the episode really landed with Lexians and Day. But overall,
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: the big takeaways honestly are one that Nate has a
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: recurring nightmare that he's getting fucked by his dad. They
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: shall flash of it at some point and unfortunately, um
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  Speaker 1: it was it was kind of hot. And and the
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  Speaker 1: other thing was that did you know the Alexa Demi
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  Speaker 1: it's actually pronounced Alexa Demi. I didn't, but I guess
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  Speaker 1: like she was born in like nineteen twenties barrets, so
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  Speaker 1: that makes sense, right, Yeah, yeah, when she co wrote
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  Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence, she said it's Demi, not which
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  Speaker 1: she emerged from the Primordials when she actually cracked open
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  Speaker 1: the continents from from the from Alexa Alexa Demi was
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  Speaker 1: actually the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. Absolutely, But yeah,
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: that that those are all of my euphoria not so
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: hot takes that are you know? Weeks late? Great, So
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: very excited to not ever talk about Euphoria again. And
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: like there's not going to be another season anytime soon, right, Well,
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: this second season we had to wait for a really
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: long time because of the pandemic, so we actually might
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  Speaker 1: get a third season sooner than you think, babe. Oh god,
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  Speaker 1: that's horrible. Well, I spent my Sunday night watching Fresh,
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  Speaker 1: which is a new Hulu movie starring Sebastian Stand a
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  Speaker 1: k a. The Winter Soldier and Daisy Edgar Jones, who
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  Speaker 1: was in Normal People The Sally Rooney TV Show with
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  Speaker 1: Phoebe Bridgers boyfriend. And I loved it. I had like
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  Speaker 1: been wanting to watch it, and then I saw a
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  Speaker 1: TikTok where someone was reviewing it and saying it was
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  Speaker 1: really good but that the ending was bad. And I
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  Speaker 1: watched the movie and like was waiting for the ending
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  Speaker 1: to be bad, and it like it really wasn't. I
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  Speaker 1: actually really liked the ending. So don't trust everything you
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  Speaker 1: see on TikTok. But so it is about this girl
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: who is kind of a loner and she means she's
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  Speaker 1: like having all these horrible tender dates and then meets
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  Speaker 1: Sebastian stand in a grocery store and they start dating
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  Speaker 1: and then he asked if she wants to go away
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  Speaker 1: for the weekend, and they go to his house upstate
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  Speaker 1: and he said that he's a doctor, and like she
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  Speaker 1: he takes her to his house and drugs her and
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  Speaker 1: she wakes up chained up in his basement because he
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  Speaker 1: sells human flesh on the black market to really wealthy people.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: Is this like a gooey gory kind of horror? Is
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: it more art artful kind of It's like it's actually
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: like pretty funny and it's not too graphic, Like I
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: would not have gotten funny from what you describe. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's funny. It loves Like. One of the interesting things
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  Speaker 1: was that the title card of the movie doesn't happen
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  Speaker 1: for like twenty minutes, so like you get there full
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  Speaker 1: like rum com you know, meet cute dating, blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 1: and then like twenty minutes in when she wakes up
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  Speaker 1: chained up in the basement, then like the title card
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  Speaker 1: and the credits come on, so it's like now the
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  Speaker 1: movie has actually started. Um. The gore is not too graphic. Um.
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  Speaker 1: There's one scene where he cuts her ass off because
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: she's been bad, um, and you kind of see it.
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: And there's obviously a lot of scenes of him like
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: carving up human flesh and eating it. But you know,
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: there's one scene where he like walks in from a
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: run and you know how like some people have things
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: of purshudo that are like it just like like a
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: wheel in their kitchen. He has like a human leg
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: that he just like takes a little sliver or not
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: an Erico ham woman. Yeah, it's it's very that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I really liked it. I mean, obviously I like
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: a dark, twisted, beautiful fantasy. It reminds me a little
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: bit of Perfume. Do you remember that book slash movie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It also reminded me a lot of my favorite book
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: from last year, A Certain Hunger by Chelsea G. Summers,
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  Speaker 1: which is also about cannibalism and is like sort of funny.
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  Speaker 1: There's not a single cannibal cultural object that will escape you,
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: that's for sure, absolutely not. But um Sebastian stand was
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  Speaker 1: really good in it. He was very like I think
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  Speaker 1: I forgot from him playing a superhero for so long
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  Speaker 1: that he is very good at being a like douche villain.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: Allah his turn on Gossip Girl, and he was very
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  Speaker 1: sinister but very hot. Oh my god, he could take
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: a bite out of me anytime. We cannibals are hot,
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: just like cannibals. Cannibals are hot. And I thought the
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  Speaker 1: ending was very satisfying. I really liked it. Definitely would recommend.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, fun little movie, and it's
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: on Hulu. Why not. The two satisfying things that I
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: watched in my flu hayes were Shiva Baby very belated,
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: but I didn't realize that it was streamable on HBO Max.
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  Speaker 1: Also something that I unfortunately left off of my best
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: of Wow, that makes complete sense because it felt like
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: you wrote it, um. But the gist is almost graduating
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: from college. Girl is like at a shiva and she
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: sees her sugar daddy who she didn't know was married
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: and has a kid, and also her ex girlfriend. And
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: the story is fully contained in that house of the Shiva,
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: which is I think a brilliant conceit. It's a really
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  Speaker 1: great movie. We love Rachel Snatt also stars Diana a Gronk,
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: a Taylor Swiss rumored ex girlfriend. No wait really, I
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: didn't know that. In music news, Florence and the Machine
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: dropped another song today, which was and it's it's like
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: under two minutes. It's just like a little little tease.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: And I am eating my words of saying that Florence
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: was doing when all the other girls weren't by putting
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: out a four minute song last week. Well, this one's
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  Speaker 1: for the talk. Yeah, I don't I don't know if
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: this one's going to wind up as a TikTok sound yeah,
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: you don't think that breath the yodeling will transcend to
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: the TikTok generation. Okay, let's not. Let's not. I'm not
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: being reductive. I say that as a compliment. Literally, like
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: you're all of your favorite artists are breathy yodelers, Bush,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Fiona Apple, Florence welch Um, Alanis Morrissa, like literally all
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: of them. Okay, you might, you might have a point.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: You might have. The other movie that I wanted to
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: quickly endorse, just because I didn't think I would be
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: endorsing this movie was three months starring Choice Von and
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Judy Greer. Thank God, another really simple slice of life
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  Speaker 1: movie about a guy who is like waiting to find
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  Speaker 1: if he has HV or not, which usually takes three
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  Speaker 1: months time after you've been exposed. A movie made a
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  Speaker 1: decade too late, But like, I feel like that's not
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  Speaker 1: the fall of the movie. I'm sure that it was
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  Speaker 1: pitched like ten years ago um and has taken this
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  Speaker 1: long to get created. But I just wasn't prepared to
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: like the movie because I felt like the conceit was
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: kind of I mean, it sounds off off paper, like
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  Speaker 1: a little basic, but the characters are so rich and
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: I did ugly cry because there's some really good grandma
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  Speaker 1: stuff in it, um and I love Grandma content um
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: and the I think the emotions and relationships of each
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  Speaker 1: character were so um real to me, Like I felt
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: like I was totally back in high school. So I
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: do recommend it. It's on Paramount plus. I did have
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: to borrow someone else's Paramount plus password, but you can
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: go ahead and do that too, and it's definitely worth it.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I won't know, I'm saying you the Virgins. So today
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: we're talking about Batman because last night we saw the Batman. Oh,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: it's the Batman. It's the Batman. That's a stylistic choice,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: of course, of course, um and I think we had both.
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  Speaker 1: How did you go into this movie? Like you had
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: seen reviews and stuff? But yeah, I was thinking. I
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: was very excited. I've been excited since we saw the
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: first set photos of Zoe, Um and Robert, but like
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: mainly Zoe, Zoe was a moment. Um. Yeah, I was excited.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been like Batman. I'm not like a Batman girl,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: like right or die of I think of all the superheroes,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: not necessarily my faith, but this one I was very
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: excited for because I like, I guess like in recent years,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: bat And has been even less of the superhero that
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I've been interested in. And I think that's like when
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: bad when when when Ben Affleck's playing him, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: it's not the vibe. And I think not the vibe
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  Speaker 1: with the kind of the ramping up of the m
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  Speaker 1: c U in general, it just requires so much of
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: our kind of cultural attention. Of course, something as big
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: as Batman could even fade into the distance. And I
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: also I think it's probably because I just like I
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: am not really interested in the d C movies. UM,
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  Speaker 1: So I was happy for something that seemed like a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: soft reboot of that or I guess a hard reboot man.
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  Speaker 1: Um And I really liked the movie shockingly, I mean
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  Speaker 1: maybe not shockingly, but I went into it with virtually
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: no expectations, Like all my expectations were for Zoe, and
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the rest of the movie was kind of inconsequential to me.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, you and I agree that this movie,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, why is it three hours long? Like? Why?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: That's the first thing that that you should know, um,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: everyone listening is that this movie is three hours long,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: and it fields three hours, not in a bad way.
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  Speaker 1: I did not pee once. Yes, I could not, could never,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: although I was pissing in my mind the whole time,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I was pissing spiritually. But it's very long, and if
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you do need to take a pea break, I would
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: suggest going during the car chase, I think because it's
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: in the trailer and you can skip it. They did
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  Speaker 1: ruin kind of one of the best scenes of the movie.
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  Speaker 1: They really overexposed that that car chase, which I thought
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: was so amazing to watch in theaters. It was very fun.
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  Speaker 1: But but you can definitely if you have to pee,
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  Speaker 1: pe during that. If I were to recommend a pre
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  Speaker 1: pea break, I would say in the last third of
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the movie, you know, there's a lot you can't make
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  Speaker 1: it that long. If like the car chase is like
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: a good midway points on practical reasons, maybe it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make sense. However, in the last third of the movie,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: there is a lot of you know, my least favorite
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: parts of the movie, which is a room where just
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: two people are talking and there's a lot of Batman
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: in the Yeah, said, did go on for kind of
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: a long and also, um, well, well I don't want
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: to get into the nitty gritty of the plot, but
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: basically there's a lot of exposition that happens the last
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: they're to kind of tie together a few missing parts
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: of this riddle, if you will. We don't have to
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: get into like the specifics of the plot, but I
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: think a general overview is that this is a Batman
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: movie that takes place two years into Bruce Wayne's new
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: career as a vigilante masked crusader who everyone he like
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: always refers to himself as Vengeance. UM, so he's like
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I been around and for like what a few years,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: for two years, And I think one of the things
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that I liked the most about this movie was that
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: it's not an origin story, but this is not a
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: fully realized Batman, So you're like dropped into his career
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: of crime fighting, but he's still not the best at it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: He makes a lot of mistakes. One of my favorite
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: moments of the movie is actually when the car chase
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: is about to happen, Batman is like busting up a
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: drug deal and he's trying to like intimidate the penguin
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: by revving up the Batmobile, and then just as he's
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: about to like go after him the Batmobile stalls and
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: it's like very funny and also like, I just like
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the idea that he hasn't got his ship figured out.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: It was. It was also a nice little spin on
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: the Batmobile reveal, which is something that happens in almost
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: all of the franchises, Like and you know, I liked
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: that it twisted the ways that we saw that. And
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: this batmobile did kind of look like um, the that
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: like Elon Musk tesla, you know, like the one that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: he was driving around New York with Grimes in the back. No,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: it was also reminiscent of kind of the tank batmobile
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: that was. No, let's not let's own or as he
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Lex Luthor, if Elon Musk is Batman and Grimes is Madonna?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Did you see the Grimes audition for the Madonna biopic?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Is Grimes cut woman? Or maybe Grimes is poison Ivy?
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Grimes would be poithon Ivy, but like would completely betray
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: her kind of lady freed what I pulled her plug
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: this other one woman though? Well, speaking of Grimes, Batman
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: was kind of rocking Grimes makeup. Let's start with the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: emo pica. Yeah, what do you think she was using?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: My eye definitely. I did like that. There was one
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: scene where he was putting the makeup on I want
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the full tutorial, Yeah, as a smudgy Pat McGrath kind
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: of like dark under eye moment um. One of the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: first things that we reacted to in this movie was
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: how emo he was. The emoification of Robert Pattinson. Not
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that this is the first time he's been email exactly,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you know, well that's kind of why he was giving
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: very much. I chimed in with the haven't you people
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: ever heard of closing the goddamn door? You know? Yeah,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the penguin comes and he goes, is it to me
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that makes you sweatin um? Yeah, I I feel like
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you and I immediately were like, this is like so
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: like overtly emo, Like it's not you and I are
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: very like, you know, uh, we like to be ir
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: reverend in our takes and like kind of digesting of
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: like superhero movies, but it really is explicitly like there
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: was this kind of what was the song that was
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: playing when we first see there? It was a Nirvana
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: song and he's got the smudgy makeup and like Robert
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Pattinson already has that like kind of sensitive, like fragile
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: guy kind of thing. I think this was the most
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: punk Batman had a cyberpunk vibe, especially in the scenes
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: that took place in Penguin's Club, which I want to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: go to that club two thousand and fourteen. Me would
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: have lived in that club. Yes, I loved I mean
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the Penguin. Let's get into the Penguin as well, because
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: like I love the club Penguin. Colin Farrell in a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: fat suit. Unfortunately, Win Farrell in a fat suit? Why
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Hollywood persists in giving you know, prestige actors fat suits.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Speaking of I just have to ask, have you ever
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: seen Colin Farrell's sex tape. I didn't even know that existing.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, girl, you have to watch it. He's
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: like he's going down on this girl. He's like I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: could eat this pushing for breakfast, say that he does
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: very famously. I didn't know that. Yeah, wow, who I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: mean not to not to like glorify in someone's privacy
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: being invaded, but like that's it's it's a very good
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: sex tape. Something. Okay, we're jimming around a lot, But
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: like I have to say about the Penguin of it
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: all that like Colin Farrell is basically doing a Danny
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: de Vito impression. I think it's hard to do the
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: penguin and not do a Danny de Vito impression, but
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: was still unfortunately amazing, so good, so good, so made
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: us laugh out loud so many times. And um, I
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: will say it is kind of um disorienting to have
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Colin Farrell where this fat suit and half like these
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: like you know, decrepit scars all over his face, but
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: then he has his like gooey dreamboat eyes. Still very
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: distract You did clock that maybe the penguin was gay
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: because of the club he owned and also the TWINKSI employers. Yes,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: it was playing really good techno music, like Rose approved
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: techno music, but you're very picky about techno music. And
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you Rose said that like as far as the club
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: scenes go, club scenes across the board in any movie
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: are done terribly. Yeah, like they don't. People who make
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: club scenes have probably never been in a club most
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: of the time. Yeah. I think that the last good
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: club scene before this was, um, the beginning of the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: first Matrix movie. Oh I haven't. I actually will need
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: to revisit um. But this club was so well done
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and it was uncie and like should exist. But the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: fact that the penguin was kind of this mob boss,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: corrupt club owner that didn't really have the gadgets and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: gizmos of previous penguins that we've seen. He was not
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: shooting bullets out of an umbrella. Let's say, it made
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: him scary year and more real. I think that that
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: is kind of an overall thing about this iteration of
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Batman in general is a lot of the different forms
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: of villainy and heroism were down to the roots, down
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to what very actually in reality, Like Batman's tools are
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: also much more rudimentary, like they're there are things that could,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: you know, in theory maybe almost exist, you know, like
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: as opposed to like except for the part where he
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: was like a flying squirrel, well, I mean that although
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you can do that, you can do that. And I
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: liked that it flopped. He he fucked up. That was
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: really cool. Okay, So for the listeners, like, there is
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: a scene where Robert Patinson is trying to escape off
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of like a tall skyscraper. He has a moment where
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: he's like, oh, funk, like I'm really high up, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you see Batman afraid of heights, which is so cool.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: But then he just jumps. He gasped, and he looks
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you gasped very loud. I guess I'm a very reactive
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: movie watching it for you. But it's really really embarrassing.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: It's not unfortunate. I love thank you. That's really sweet.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: But I'm glad you do with it because I just gasped.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So but well, because we see almost every movie together,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: you know, I've gotten used to it. But he looks
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: ridiculous as a flying squirrel, Like, it looks so kind
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: of stupid, but I'm glad it does kind of put
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: It does kind of put you into how scary that
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: would be to like jump in the building. Which is
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: another thing I did like about this movie is that
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of it kind of felt like a video game,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: especially the scene where so um, once Batman has met
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and kind of teamed up with Catwoman, he sends her
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: into Penguins Club to do reconnaissance for him using these
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: contact lenses that are cameras, and that felt very like
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: kind of first person video gaming, and I think it
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: helps you feel kind of like dropped into Batman's world,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: which I thought was cool. I also think this is
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a very good comic book movie like it felt kind
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: of Frank Millery. Um, if you've ever I don't know
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: if you've read any of the older Batman comics, Like
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not like super well versed in comics, but this
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: did give me kind of like eighties era, very like
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: noir e Batman vibes as opposed to Big C g I,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Spectacle Superhero Shenanigan. It was no air. It was moody,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: noirri shadowy like se of the film was shot through
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: like wet glass, pretty much like there was a smoky,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: kind of broody like film over the whole thing. It
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: looked so cool. The lighting was amazing, all of the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: red lighting. The music was incredible, the music for so
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: beautiful haunting. Yeah, And I think that like characters like
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Colin Ferrell's Penguin or Danny de Vito's Penguin rather also
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: lent itself to that noir element, like his. The reveal
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: of Penguin starts with it. He goes like, um, like
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: day it easy, sweet at or something like that, and
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: he sounds like exactly like Danny DeVito, but it's still
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the way he delivers it is so noir, you know
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: what I mean. And I think that that's very video
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: gave me and like it kind of. I don't want
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: to say camp because like you know, fact, it's call
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: everything campy. Well, I don't think there was really anything
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: camp about this. Yeah, I'm saying that he was the
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: most cartoonish character in this film. Everyone else played a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: more human kind of um understated version of the character,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: like Zoe Kravitz for example. You know who I thought
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: was excellent so phenomenal is the first Catwoman. I would
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: say that was effortless, you know what I mean because
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: all these other Catwoman's which are all amazing. I like,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I literally yes, cat women people, cat people, if you will,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I love every iteration, even Halle Berry's Catwoman, Like, I
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: will love to wat them that. When we were driving,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I was, I was thinking about that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: It is very like I mean, honestly, Rob Rob Pattinson
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: was giving a little bat them with those with that,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: he was giving a little fluid beauty, the first non
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: binary batman. I love that. Actually, would watch I feel like,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you know, you get earth this kind of and you
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: have Michelle Fifer, which is doing the most, and then
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: you have Catwoman, which is like the Razzy Award winner
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to see Zoe Kravitz come in and she really is
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: just the sexy, cool catwoman that doesn't have an element
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: of camp to her. I was surprised but delighted because
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: she was on that Like there was this stupid article
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: written about an interview she gave about how she like
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: licked milk from a bowl to prepare for this roll
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and I was like, and she she like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I absolutely would watch, but there's no way it was
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: whole milk. It had to have been. It was. It was.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: It was an alternative, yeah, because that girl is not
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: drinking a whole milk. But like, I was like so
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: surprised to hear, like, oh, I watched like feeling behavior
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: videos and like all the stuff to prepare for the role.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: She was very slinky, but none of that, none of
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: that really showed up in her. It was just part
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: of her process and for the better. Like it's we
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: didn't like I thought that. Honestly, the people that created
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the Catwoman movie did Halle Berry so dirty by making
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: her slurp up sushi and like lick milk from a bowl.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And it's just like like I'm glad that we got
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: a Zoe that didn't have to do any of that catch. Yeah,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: she was mostly just sexy. Um she was giving kind
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: of Natalie Portman in Closer. Um lying is the most
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: funny girl canna have without taking her clothes off. And
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: oh she had these nails that through the entire movie.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, those are very impractical when you're parkouring
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: around of like, uh, you know fire she was parkouring
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: was well Batman, but truly at its core, all Batman
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: films are about Parker, Yes, Parker in hand to hand
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: combat because Batman refuses. I forgot that Beatman refuses to
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: use a gun. That that's like he's like, no guns,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: but let me beat the ship out of teenage, which
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: actually and won't get to other Batman's later, But I
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: was watching clips of Anna Hathaway as Catwoman last night
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and there's a part where Christian Bale goes no good
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and Anne Hathaway goes, where's the fun? In that. Gotham
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: very much felt like a character in this movie. I
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: got a better idea of what the city was totally
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: u than other Batman movies, because I think the Christopher
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Nolan Batman movies it's just kind of like a caricature
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: of like a bad city. Yeah it is, and this
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Gotham felt very realized and like did feel more like
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: a version of New York rather than like downtown Toronto
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: as it does in you know, Christopher Nolan movie. Right.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I wish they had done and they made a little
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: more effort to make Gotham Square Garden look a little
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: less like Madison Square Arden. But I think that does
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: kind of the work of like you having to like
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: fill in the blanks with your mind to spend disbelief,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: right exactly, and like I bought into it for like
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of the movie, and like, aside from the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: fact that I do think that Zoe kravitz manicure was
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: all wrong, Like I felt like the nail shape was wrong,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and what should it have been? Where to have like
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: a square nail? No, they were like her nails were
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: to the nail shape was too wide for her finger
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and we're very claw like I know, but they could
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: have been thinner. And I feel like she should have
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: had a cult, she should have some like chrome on there,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: like a designer like it could have been if it
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: was like more real, I would have imagined some nail art,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean she was though, like, oh
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: like even at the end when she was fleeing the city,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: full eye makeup look yes, oh yeah, and full like
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: she was like, I am running from the law, but
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I definitely have time to sit down and do a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: cut cream to put a cut crease, um smudgy, a
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: smudgy mascara and U Urban TK glitterliner and the Glossier
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: lid star. She was not using classier. You know. I
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: did recently watch the Zoe Kravitz Um the Beauty Secrets video,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and that woman wears virtually no makeup. So I don't
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: know why the book because she's perfect. She's literally perfect. Um.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: She is putting on her cat I um, but it's
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: like a dark brown instead of a black, so you
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: can barely see it. And she puts on what is
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: like basically like a quarter of a centimeter of like
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: a little catta and she just like smears it barely
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: with her fingers, like you can barely. She's like high voke,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: here's how I look beautiful. And she just looks in
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the mirror and she's like done. End of story. Yeah.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: She talks a lot about like natural deodor and as well. Yeah,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I get that. Vibe incredible. It's a great it's a
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: great video. Do you think she owns a pair of
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Tom's shoes? No, I think she's one point. I'm sure.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you did. Shockingly didn't. But like Tom Shoes
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: was absolutely my culture at the time that they came out.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I love Zoe and everything that she's in. You know
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: what I really loved that I'm very sad did not
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: get renewed was the High Fidelity show on Hulu. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: didn't get renewed. I know it was canceled after one.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I honestly have not been on the Zoe Kravitz prior
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: to this movie. I've always admired her as a celebrity,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: but I don't really remember her performances outside. Well, she's
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: she's yeah, she's usually kind of just like functional, you know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: she's there, she's doing her job. Yeah. And then of
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: course Robert, I mean, well, as everyone knows, this is
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: a Twilight stand podcast speaking of it, and you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: if the past year has proven anything, it's that every
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: tongue that rises against Twilight shell fall. Look at the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: stars of Twilight now one of them is nominated for
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Best Actress at the Oscars and the other one is Batman,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and I will say, and this is someone who doesn't
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: care about Rob Pattinson. Sorry, Rob Pattinson. I think this
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: is the best work of his career so far. Like,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: and you'll disagree because it's Twilight. As you might say,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Twilight is the best work of his career, but it's
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: my favorite. I don't know about best I would, but
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I I loved I thought he totally disappeared into this Batman.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I completely forgot who he was. And he's such a
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you know, if we talk about like star versus actress,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: like he is more of a star, you know, like
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: he is more of like someone who people talk more
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: about the tabloids of Rob Pattinson than they do about
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: his actual acting. But that's why they earned this. Yeah,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: that's why I think Batman is a very good role.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Because Batman is a character. It is very opaque, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I think Rob Pattinson is a person who, because of
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: the tabloid first surrounding him verse whole career, has had
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: to make himself into that, like, has had to give
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: away very little of himself. So I think he's slatted
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: very well into the role of this like billionaire vigilante
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: who and that was something that we were talking about
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: after the movie last night, is that this is a
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Batman movie that, more than any of them, like attempts
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to reckon with Batman and Bruce Wayne's privilege in a way.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: There there is a part where where Catwoman Selena Kyle says, like,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: you know, you're just like a privileged asshole and you
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: know you none, none of these like white men are
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: going to get what's coming to them. And it's good
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: that she says that, and I like that it's brought up.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I think it could have been explored a little bit more.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I you know, I said to you, I wished that
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Zoe hadn't used the word privilege, Like I wish they
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: hadn't written the word privilege. But it's so cheap. Yeah,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: but in this kind of movie that's going to be
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: seen by like the dumbest of the dumb people, like
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: you have to spell it out that explicitly. There were
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: other ways to do it. I think that when I
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: watched previous Batman movies, I'm like, it's so I just
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: feel like the fatal flaw of Batman is that he
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: is a ba billionaire and like it's just there's nothing
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: really that interesting. It's that's never investigated or made interesting
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: in any of the previous films. So I like that
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: they kind of prodded at that. I have to say. Also,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, before we dive into like the capitalism of Batman,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: like that on on the broody like kind of nature
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: of like Rob Pattinson. I like that even though he
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: didn't overplay anything, he was still you know, stoic and
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: inhuman and that kind of like, you know, totally stone
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: faced like Batman, we still got this kind of fragile
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: emo guy out of him just because of what Rob
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Pattinson looks like. Well, it was very like um, it
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: was almost like when he was out of the bat suit,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: he was like exposed, like a turtle without its shell,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: and then it was only when he was in the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: suit that he like came alive in a way. My
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: one critique on the bat suit is that, I mean,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: aside from the fact that it should have had nipples,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: is that the helmet accentuated Rob Pattinson's already alarmingly triangular head,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: and it made his head look even more triangular. I
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: thought it was hot. The bottom half of his face
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: looked great. But also like I totally disagree with facial
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: recognition where it is now. He just realistically, and I
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: know this is a movie they have to show his face,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: but like the jig would have been up if that
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: much of his space was exposed. And also people are
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: shooting at him all the time, and and it would
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: have been very easy for a stray bullet to like
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: explode the bottom half of his face. You would think
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: that they would have found a movie magic way to
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: kind of address that by this point, but you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: it's Batman's fantasy. But yeah, did you know that um
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Rob Pattinson wore George Clooney's batsuit for his screen test
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: with Zoe Kravitz. That's hot, and he wore apparently sweatpants
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: on the bottom. You know what I you know what
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I was thinking watching this movie is what does Batman
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: do in the summer? Like? Does he does? He? Does? He?
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Like it doesn't have a sleeveless batsuit. Maybe his pits
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: are exposed because you know, it's all well and good
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: to be running around in that suit like in the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: dead of winter. And I imagine even when it's sub
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: zero outside, your crotch probably gets a little sweaty. But
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: when it's a hundred degrees in Gotham, he can't be
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: running around in the cape. Maybe it's that kind of
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: you know, Uniclode heat tech that's like very breathable, you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: like he could have some kind of cooling system there.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: He is very wealthy, but but it is so he's
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: got to be so hot. Also, let's talk about the
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: fact that Batman had a vibe with not one, but
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: two men in this movie. I mean, you you think
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you always think that, but I do always think that.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: But I think there was a vibe with him and
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Detective Gordon, and then he also had a vibe with Alfred. Yeah,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't I caught the Gordon vibe. I didn't catch
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: that there was a daddy vibe with Alfred. It was daddy.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: It was it was daddy. It's so funny that, actually,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, every Batman movie is
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: high key about daddy issues. All superhero movies about daddy
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: issues and also mommy issues. Like that was the thing
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: with with Selena Kyle is like you find out that
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: her whole trauma comes back to her mom and her dad.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Well daddy issues too. Yeah, I think that that, honestly,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I mean again, I really loved this movie. I think
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: the first thing I said to you when he walked
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: out of the theater is like, it's a totally worthy
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Batman movie. And I thought, well, cast um, but would
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: have been a much more compelling film if we haven't
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: already gone through ten Batman movies in our lifetime, like
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: and I felt like more more, Yeah, definitely probably. And
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, a lot of Christopher Nolan's
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: iteration of Batman was, you know, helping us figure out
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: more about what Batman's motivations are, what makes him tick,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: like what hit? What is kind of behind Batman's psyche,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: and like whether he's good or bad? Well you got
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a little of that in his monologue that built the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: beginning and the end of the film, which you didn't
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: love so much. I didn't love the monologues, but the
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: monologues are very Batman. I just felt like, I just
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: felt like my issue was that the monologues, which were
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: also very broody and philosophical and kind of played to
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: this smokey existential loan cowboy is he good or is
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: he good? Is he good or is he bad? Batman
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: just kind of regurgitated a lot of what The Dark
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Knight was like or not regurgitated, but it felt like
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: what The Dark Knight had already explored and to go
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: back to where we were, what we were talking about.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I think what the film did that was completely new
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: was start to investigate this conversation of I don't even
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: want to say privilege again because it's so cheap, but
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I think that the notion of was Batman's dad corrupt?
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: And is that something that Batman now has to reconcile
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: with and like, what is my function as Batman in
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: the totality of society when the villains are sometimes kind
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: of right about this, you know what I mean? Yeah,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: which which was like that whole idea is played with
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: with the Riddler and his followers because through the whole movie,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Batman is saying I am vengeance. I am vengeance. And
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: then at the end of the movie, one of the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Riddlers followers says, when Batman says, who are you, he says,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I am vengeance. So like this whole idea that like
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: there is a very thin line between who's the hero
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: who's the villain, and like Batman is the hero of
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: his story and some other people's stories, but you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: so are these people who think they're saving Gotham in
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: a different way? Um? And this is I think something
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: that that all Batman media explores. Um. And also like
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I think depending on who is playing Batman and who
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: is directing, you get a little bit more one way
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: or another, because like you know, you think about Michael
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Keaton and like the Tim Burton movies, there's no question
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: of whether Batman is a hero because like because of
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: how cartoonish it is. Yeah, it's a flattening of a
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: lot of that franchise, which I guess like we can
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: maybe talk a little bit about some of the other
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: ba Batman. And like why Batman, of all the superheroes,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: there are the most Batman movies And I wonder why
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: that is, Like is it because Batman is the most
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: self insert superhero character? Like because I was thinking about
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: in this movie, you know, outside of Batman, like Bruce
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Wayne is such a nonentity, you know, he's just his
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: like his personality is like it's only the top line.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: It's like rich superhero. So is that why especially these
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: male directors and studios come back to Batman again and
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: again because he is the superhero that it's most easy
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: for probably like a male audience member to imagine themselves as.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's why Also this movie felt a little
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: bit like video game me because you know, like you
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: may you maybe can't imagine yourself as like Iron Man
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: or Thor or Superman is easily, but like you can
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: put yourself in the mode of like what if I
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: was really rich and had the money to like go
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: out in the streets with a mask on and fight crime? Yeah?
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: What would like? What? Yeah? And I think that this
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: film specifically, I sought to like investigate that. Um, I
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: don't know. I when I think about like the Batman's
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: of Yore, I think, I don't know who's your favor Well,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: my favorite Batman movie is Batman and Robin, because I
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: mean it was very formative for me as a kid.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Poison Ivy specifically, like has influence has influenced so much
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: of me as a person in terms of things that
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I consumed. I was so drawn, as I told lady
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: when I pulled her plug, this is the one woman show.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I love that movie. I was always drawn to like
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: the evil fam I like loved mal Officent growing up. Um,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I loved you know, Poison Ivy I felt like there
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: was something I didn't catch on to the parts of
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the movie that were like bad because I was like,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: what eight or whatever. So I just enjoyed it purely
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: as human. Of course, we watch it as an adult.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: We watch it because it's kind of a so good
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: it's bad movie. But I still love it, like unconditionally. Um,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: in terms of who my favorite bat Man is, I'm
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: gonna be crazy and say that Rob Pattinson is my
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: favorite Batman so far. I get it. And this is
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: someone who doesn't even care that much about Rob Pattinson,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: But I think I just liked that his his kind
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: of like pasty, almost schleppy, kind of white guy thing
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: was uh, something very new, and he leaned into it.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: He leaned into this kind of he felt almost pathetic
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: at times when he was just Bruce, he felt kind
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: of pathetic. He was hot, and I was into that.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I like George Queeney's Batman as well, but like, no,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: it really is Robbed for me and I and UM.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I also will say when there's a moment in the
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: beginning of the movie where you see you know Batman,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: he Bruce like takes off his shirt and he sees
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the scars on his back, but he still looks kind
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: of like pasty skinny Rob Pattinson and I turned to
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Rose and I was like, I wonder if they spray
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: panted his abs this time like they did in Twilight.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Was it the second or the Moon? Because right, Rob
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: famously hates working out. Okay, and then later in the
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: last third of the movie, he takes off his shirt
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: and Mama, they put him to work. He is up,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: he was, he was hitting that pre workout every day.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: He's multiple. He's chugging that muscle milk, probably the same
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: one that I am just full body chills every time
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I drink this disgusting protein shape. Well, my favorite Batman
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: is Michael Keaton, and my favorite Batman movie is Batman Returns.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Um And honestly it might be my favorite superhero movie
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: is Batman Returns, the one with Michelle Peifer. Okay, of course,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: of course, so Tim Burton, right, yeah, Okay, that is
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: the most Tim Burton of the Batman movies. I think
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it's I think it's the best marriage of comic book
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: cartoon superhero and big budget blockbuster superhero legitimate action movie. Yes,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: it's very fun, it is campy, but not too much.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: It's very dark, it's very sexy. I like, I have
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of formative childhood like sexual memories around Michelle
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Peiffer as Catwoman, and I think her and Michael Keaton
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: have incredible chemistry in that movie. Which was my critique
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: of The Batman, which you disagree on. But I felt
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: like Zoe and Rob didn't really have any romantics. I
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: thought they had seen I thought they had sexual chemistry.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I thought they wanted to fuck. But I will say
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Batman returns Fox Fox. Yeah, that that that really. I
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: think I would have loved to see the sexual tension
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: between Batman and Catwoman earned the way it is with
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Michelle Phifer. But Michelle Phiffer can have sexual tension with
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: literally anything like that. Trash can like that. Like Michelle
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: could just have a full romp with But I don't know.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: It was just the k There were two kisses in
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: this movie, and neither of them were it. They were
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: a little unearned, like it was very much that they
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: had sexual they were into each other just because the
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: movie decided they were exactly But it still worked for me.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: But and and regardless, I did gasp loudly both times.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Probably whereas in that in Batman Returns, like you you
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: see Batman and Catwoman vibe with each other, and you
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: see Bruce Wayne and Selena Kyle vibe with each other,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: right exactly. Yeah, yeah, and and there, and I thought
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: the relationship between Bruce and Selena felt more like they
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: had had more to do with each other, where in
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: previous iterations of Catwoman, she just kind of shows up
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: and steals her own stuff and does her own thing,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: and it's just kind of an additional villain where Zoe
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Kravitz and Bruce have to kind of work together. I
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: think Anne Hathaway has to work with Batman but still
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: betrays him right multiple times. Yeah, I from the super
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: cut that I watched on YouTube last night. I think so,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: because that is the thing with Catwoman, and it's why
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: that she is very hard to categorize, Like she's not
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: always a villain, She's definitely not a hero. She her
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: allegiances to herself above everything, and it depends when that
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: aligns with other people's interests then she will align herself
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: with them. And this Batman movie, the Batman, she I
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: think was a you know, we saw her reckon with
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: like wanting to kill who turned out to be her father,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the mob guy. But I think she was like a
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: little too on the inside. I could have used maybe
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: like if she had teamed up with the Riddler at
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: some point or like been implicated in what he was doing,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: because I like when Catwoman, you know, betrays Batman a
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: little bit. I think that's fun to play with. Yeah,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like when I think about like Anne Hathaway
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: as Catwoman, which I didn't is a great performance, but
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: not a I don't think a good movie, and not
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: a good Catwoman. In my opinion, it's certainly not a
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: memorable movie because I remember nothing about it, but I
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I rewatched it in Quarantine, and and Hathaway was the
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: most watchful part in my opinion. And she and they
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: end up together at the end. They do, they will
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: they the Romans run away together. The romances hammered down
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: more from what I remember, um, But I like that
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: throughout the history of Catwoman there is this kind of
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: zany irreverence that I think Anne Hathaway does very well,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: that you know, Zoe kind of you know, took out
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: of the role that was still really enjoyable. But I
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: obviously my face her Catwoman of all time, aside from
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Michelle Feifer is earth Kit, who took it on after
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I think Julie Newmar, but like which she did her
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I think I feel like she was probably cast because
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: by this point in her career, purring was already her thing,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and so they were like, who's that celebrity that purrs? Ah, yeah, Eartha.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I actually don't know that, or maybe like she only
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: started purring because of Catwoman, that might make more sense. No,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's I actually do think it's the latter.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: I've I've read like one and a half of um
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Earth Kids biography, so you'd think I would know this UM,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: but they're so sensationalized and ghest written as well, so
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter. But like when Eartha was on
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: TV as Catwoman, this is at a time when like,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: you know, Jet magazine is still like the back page
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: of Jet is like you know, every black person that's
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: going to be on TV that week or something like
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: There's it was such a scarcity mentality of like I
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: guess representation at the time, and and and so Eartha's
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: place in superhero TV shows was so much more meaningful
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: to like audience members, and her performance is obviously so iconic.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: But what I loved about Zoe was that it was
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: almost meaningful, like like representation didn't matter. Really, this is
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: bringing us very nicely into like the Tim Burton Joel
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Schumacher era of Batman movies, which are very you and me.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: We did actually watch We watched Batman Forever. Yeah, you
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: had never seen it, Yes, which is the thing that
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: led me to buy you a taser for Christmas, which
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: you then immediately threatened. Yeah. Um. And I think that
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: that is honestly part of the reason I feel so
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: exhausted by Batman movies. Why I was a little salty
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: about this Batman movie, even though I really loved it,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: was like, I do miss the cartoonish stylings of that
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: era of movies, and I want to see that kind
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: of like play and that zany irreverence of previous films
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: injected into new superheroes. And I feel like they do
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: it with like a a Venom or maybe like a
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Deadpool or something like that. But Guardians of the Galaxy
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: does that a little too. Yeah, but the movie, but
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: movies in general, especially big superhero movies, just take themselves
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: so seriously and the kind of would have I wouldn't
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: have minded a punchline in this Batman, but it was
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: like the most unfunny Batman, like, like the only funny
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: parts were Colin Ferrell's penguin. Um, and that was kind
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: of it. I could have used as I told Lady
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Freeze when I pulled her plug moment, yeah, or some
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: like Harley Quinn essence you would Well, there was a
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: there was a rumor at least I saw one TikTok
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: saying that UM a variant of her of Harley Quinn
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: maybe still UM like pre Harley Quinn, Dr Harley and
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Quinzel was going to show up in one of the
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Arkham scenes. But that obviously didn't happen. But spoiler, I mean,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: this whole podcast has been a spoiler. But like Joker
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: shows up. Was it Joker or was it to face
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: he makes a joke about being a clown he made
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: he made that joke about it. Had it was definitely Joker,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: which I was. That was like the peak of my
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: It was the final the third hour of the movie,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: the peak of my exhaustion. I was just like I
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: ten ten to fifteen Batman movies. I've seen hundreds of
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: villains to pick from in this franchise, and I was
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I loved the Riddler coming back. I thought it was fine,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: but like he was no Jim Carrey though Jim Carrey,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: and he was no Riddler from um Harley Quinn, who
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: I love, I don't even oh my god, wait, we
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: have to talk about the Harley Quinn Show. But before
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I just I just felt like when we finally saw
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: this hint of Joker and in my opinion, bad Joker makeup,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: like Joker makeup that I can't take seriously. Um, it
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: just like feels like a failure of the imagination, especially
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: when Poison Ivy is right there. Um. And I just
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, we there's so many villains to choos froim,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: and we're going back to Joker when Joker already had
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: like he's already had three of his other movies. Have
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: you heard the rumor that Lady Gaga is going to
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: be in a Joker movie like in the in the
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: same thing as as the wakuin Vihoenix Joker, which which
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: if Lady Gaga is in like a real is in
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: like a gritty, realistic Joker movie, that will be my
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Joker origin story. Prostlytizing dangerous. Although although let's say, let's
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: say that almost everything Lady Gaga has done has been
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: my joker origin story. Yeah, including she's probably Do you
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: think she's auditioned for the Madonna boot Camp? No, she's girl.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: No you don't think she's too old be with all
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: the beefs she has with Madonna. No, that's never happening.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I mean she still loves and respects Madonna. Did you
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: not see five for two? What kind of question is
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: that she wants to fuck Madona's never going to happen.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga is never playing Madonna on the Riddler of
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: it All. I did feel like elements of him were
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: a little bane. Well, yeah, the kind of intelligent. Although
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I would have I would have liked the ban from
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: the Harley Quinn Show from how Heartbreak Feels Good at
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: a place like this? The sings some I can't it's
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: very break feels good at a place like this. That
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: sounds absurd, but the virgins have to know that it
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: is a spot on impression. We have to talk about
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: the Harley Quinn Show. So on HBO Max, there's a
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Harley Quinn animated series starring Haley Haley Quoco. Oh my
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: God forgot shout out to shout out to all my
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Quoco nuts out there, um as as Harley Quinn. And
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: it's so good. It takes. It's like the storyline of
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: it is that Harley Quinn has been dumped by the
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Joker for the last time, so she decides to start
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: her own super villain team. It's a very adult cartoon.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: It's like super violent. Like it's like lots of Yeah,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: it's lots of bad language. It's very gay. It's very gay.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I it was such a breath of fresh air. We
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: watched it in Quarantine, like in the you know, the
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: parts where the parts of Quarantine were. We really couldn't
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: see other people, Like I think. I came over to
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: your apartment and we ate cereal and watched it, which
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: is so fun in the middle of the day. Love
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Love a Saturday morning cartoon. Yeah, And I'm not really
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I don't always click into cartoons like that, and this
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: I don't either. I really am not a cartoon girl
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: because I like, I need to see a real human being. Yeah,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: exactly the same way. And I felt like this was
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: so the characters were so so gay and so real,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: and the jokes are really funny. It's one of the
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: few shows I have watched in recent memory where I
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: consistently laughed out loud watching it over and over, especially
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: at Bain's jokes. Is the best and somehow pulls off
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: very of the moment cultural commentary humor, which really doesn't
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: hit a lot of the time. But you could tell
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the people that a lot of people in the writer's
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: room were of our generation, you know. Um, but what
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: is the All of the villains have a stick. They're
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: all kind of dysfunctional or kind of made fun of
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: in some way. And Bain stick is that he is
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: like everyone hates him that everyone finds. Yeah, he's a flop,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: but he's also kind of like really insecure and feminine,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: and he masks his insecurities with bombs, which is so funny.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: But what's the Riddler stick? I can't remember? Um that
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: he he like gets really buff at one point, Yeah,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: because remember they have him on a hamster wheel. Yeah,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: oh yeah. And isn't he like constantly saying riddles? Everyone's like,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: what the fun Yeah, he's made a little gay too. Yeah.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I think he's just made fun of for the fact
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: that the Riddler is like a villain that's on. He's
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: easy to me. He's lame villain. Well, and I liked
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I thought that this bat End movie, the Rob Pattinson
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Batman made Riddler scary. Sure, I thought that it was
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: well done, but it still felt like pain in the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Dark Knights pain rather. I also loved the Riddler in
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: this Batman movie was a content creator, like he was
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: for the Virgins. Well, he like made all these selfie
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: videos and like I kept wondering if he had a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: ring light and there was a point where he goes
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: live with Batman. They were, they had they were doing
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: a collab and like literally all these little audience members
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: are like, you know, harding and liking me, Like, oh
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: my god, Rid Larry love you women to buy the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: same outfit as you like. Like Honestly, all Batman villains,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of Batman villains are content creators and aspiring influencers.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: They really want to broadcast their villainy. They really need
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: an audience, they need the likes. They're doing it for
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: the Graham, you know, because I don't think Riddler would
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: have done everything he would have done if he could
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: do it quietly, not doing it for the Graham. He
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: was doing it for the Grahama. He was doing it
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: for the dark. I don't think he was on Instagram.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I think he was on TikTok and Snapchat, maybe Facebook.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I think Facebook Marketplace. That's where he was buying all
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: that stuff for his apartment. Yeah. You know, a couple
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: of episodes we we talked about the m c U
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: with Joel k and Booster. If you haven't listened, to
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: go back and and listen to that. And I did
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: find myself a lot thinking about the m c U
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: and how different this was from it, and how it's
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: maybe almost a reaction to it, because you know, in
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: recent years, the m c U, which has kind of
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: always been like on such a big scale, really got
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: to the biggest scale it possibly could be with End
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Game and also with Spiderman No Way Home. We're like,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: we're now looking at the multiverse. And I think this Batman,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: it being so grounded and so focused on street level heroism,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: which is like kind of the categorization of superheroes like Batman,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: like Spider Man. I think like that very much is
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: a re action to the sort of like cosmic implications
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: of the m c U, and I almost like kind
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: of think that's maybe why the last Spider Man movie
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: ended the way it did, because like, you have Spider
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Man multiverse shenanigans, and then at the end of the movie,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: he winds up back in a place where he's much
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: more of like the classic Spider Man that we know.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: We're like, he has no friends, he has like a
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: very basic spider suit, and he like, once again, is
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: your friendly neighborhood spider Man. And so I wonder maybe
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: if we're going to now see a trend of superheroes
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: that are like a little bit more on the small scale.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing with stories that are this contained
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: and why I tend to enjoy them more in the
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: superhero of it all is that like when you have
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: a hero that is totally on his own, you do
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: get to start to ask questions about privilege and capital
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: or like what is good or bad? Where adventurous movies
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: don't really there are themes in them, yeah, but they
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: don't really have a ton of time to actually dig
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: into the emotional lives of many of these characters or
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: what they're kind of philosophical backings are. And even though
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: as we said, like this Batman doesn't really dig into
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: the privileged conversation in the way I thought it was
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: going to, because it really leaned in hard and then
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: pulled away at at the end from it. Um I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: thought maybe there would be more of a full circle
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: moment where we would see Batman in a very real
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: way reconcile with the fact that he's a billionaire and
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: like what you know happened? What what a billionaire can
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: do to like help societal collapse or societal restructure? Right?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Because like if Bruce Raid really wanted to put his
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: money where his mouth was, wouldn't he just put his
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: billions of dollars towards like actually like fixing the infrastructure
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: of got them that he knew Gotham Renewal program, Like
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: if all of that Gotham Renewal like money was used
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: to like like for corruption, wouldn't he just be like, Oh,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: let me just donate another build? Was there a moment
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: at the beginning? I don't pay attention when people are
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: just talking. Unfortunately, as you know, I love that. Also
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: every single Batman movie, Alfred has one character trait, well
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: to character traits, which is that No. Three, he's British,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: he's gay, and he's like Batman. Why do you got
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: to go out and do this Batman stuff? Like, why
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: are you gotta do this? This hurts my feelings. I'm
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: worried about you Batman, Like every time it's like girl, Yeah,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: but I feel like it's just this is the job
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: you sign up for a girl like, well, no he didn't.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: He signed up to be Batman's butler, and then Batman
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: like Dad's butler. Honestly, Yeah, Well I am very interested
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: to see if Batman ex Alfred fan fiction becomes a thing.
• 1:04:58
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• 1:05:02
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