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Talks to gym sex God Brendan Jones about his choice of Terminus (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to hamster with a blunt.
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  Penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  I am here tonight with the extremely handsome.
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  Charismatic, intelligent, mr. Brendan Jones.
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  Hello, Brendan Hello. Who's this other person with my
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  name or scratch his eyes down? What I was going to say
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  incredibly sexy as well. Because I've seen some amazing
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  Jim videos. Recently of you, doing some
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  squats. You know, you've risen me very
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  alarmingly, some mornings, you know, that Oh, a very welcome.
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  I'm sure. Don't you go Coy with me?
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  You're the one most of them. Hey, do I do look?
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  You know, people say when it comes to, you know, Fitness or
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  changing your diet or whatever your motivation should be
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  intrinsic. But I say, no, if you if your
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  motivation, Needs to come from people saying, hey you look
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  pretty good doing that, upload the damn photos.
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  If you can get your motivation you ain't motivated me at all.
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  It's doing the gym but you're definitely motivated be doing
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  some kind of activity, so thank you very much.
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  I believe that you have recently embarked on a new venture.
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  Yes. Yes, that's right.
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  So, my, my friend BJ, we actually have the same nickname
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  because we share the same initials, she and I have started
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  a gaming podcast called the bjbj game, show you great and very
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  careful about who's tuning into this.
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  When I suggested the name, she did say to me, could people
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  possibly take that the wrong way.
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  Said, I certainly hope. So yes, Yeah, but she said, do
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  it is should we ever acknowledge that?
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  I'm like, no, absolutely not. That's everyone else's problem.
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  But yet so we take a different sort of Indie video game every
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  month we play it and a bit like a book club.
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  We invite people to play along with us and send in their
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  comments and thoughts on the game.
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  So we've released two episodes so far, we've recorded a third
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  episode and people can find us on Twitter.
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  At BJ BJ game show and bjbj is filled bja y, BJ.
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  Okay, bjbj game show. Yeah.
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  So come along and join us for that car.
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  You have to pay for get listening especially if you're a
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  computer game my life not ever, what else will be able Issa?
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  I think so, another regular contributor to hamster, Conrad
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  has been listening, and he doesn't play video games at all.
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  I mean, I'll do anything to listen to you.
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  I mean, what is this taking you away from Fly for a charity?
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  Because I'll tell you what, I'll miss you when you're not on
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  those. No, I'm still doing.
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  I think five or six of the first Capaldi season I think we've
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  recorded two thirds of that. And then rather so rather
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  selfishly one of us decided to go on holiday.
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  And then another one of us decided to go on holiday.
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  And I'm about to go on holiday, but our scheduler extraordinaire
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  James has assured us that we can get everything recorded order.
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  So, yeah, I think we're starting to release flight through
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  entirety, for series 8 of Doctor.
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  Who at the end of April, I think is the planet moment because
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  when I was, people got on holiday, came in Holiday to my
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  home, I did, in fact, listen to your death.
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  If Episode early, I've got to say to everyone about it, it's
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  fantastic. Yeah, I'm looking forward to
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  hearing because I'm not on that one.
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  I think I'm on. I'm on the listen.
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  Oh, goody I think I want into the Dalek listen.
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  I will be on Dark Water. Death in heaven, kill the moon.
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  That's the other one. I'm on, ya good.
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  I hope everyone's given that I like kill the moon.
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  Simon. Hey, Although the fact that he
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  said it wasn't about abortion as a massive bit with the screen
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  that says a ball, I'll do sometimes wonder if he's missing
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  the point. Anyway, what are we here today?
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  What is this? Long-awaited commentary that
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  we've been talking about for the last two eons?
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  So, where are we here today? Because I was fortunate enough
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  to talk about Warriors gate with you many, many moons ago.
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  And at the time we were sort of discussing Steven Gallagher's,
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  working General and darker. And I kind of said to you, I,
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  you know, I quite enjoy Terminus for its faults and you said,
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  well why don't you come back and do Terminus?
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  And, you know, then I moved house which was a whole thing.
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  NG. And so now I'm back baby.
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  And we're talking about what you are, you know, how the Star Trek
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  movies, you know, this ghost likes or bad?
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  No, get bad, good, bad, good or you know that's the general
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  consensus. Well, you started with time fly
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  you know, so that's not a great place to start even though your
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  commentary was amazing. Then Tory is gay now to
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  terminus. I mean, I'll get you back next
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  for an absolute banger. Sometimes I think there's more
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  to say about the flawed stories. I think you're right.
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  Yeah, I think you're right. I think so.
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  And sometimes it's the ones I'm utterly ambivalent about where
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  there's loads that I liked and loads.
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  I'm not sure about. I've done Fury from the deep
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  recently and I've just still don't know what I think of that.
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  I think there's great stuff in it in but it's I like some of
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  it, don't chime. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I mean you know it started life
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  not as a doctor who story and it shows it does show.
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  Yes. Indeed.
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  Yeah. Well I'm going to suggest to the
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  point but we have been talking nearly 10 minutes now.
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  So that's not really sort of point, which we can't have said
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  one. Let's start talking about this
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  fabulous story. I mean I think we should.
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  Okay well then hang on a second. So something is occurring.
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  What's going on? Hang on you don't drink
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  anything. You two could do.
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  Would stop me. Do you what are you doing here?
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  Ty heart. Well I couldn't miss the chance
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  to talk about Terminus. Could I?
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  Were you bugger off? What are you doing?
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  Interrupting this. Well, it's all phrases faults
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  because apparently, now Terminus is my all-time favorite best
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  Doctor, Who story ever. So, I have to be here to talk
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  about it. Hello, Brendan, how are you?
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  Hello sty, darling. How are you low?
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  Okay. Jesus Christ.
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  We saw that for a wild and way we've even gone to the lengths
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  of sigh posting pictures on social media of him watching
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  Crossroads night as well just to fool them.
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  It's deception. Goes deep baby.
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  It does I'm going to count as Ian.
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  Okay, I've or three two, one. Off we go now.
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  Brendan, come on. Why do you like this so much?
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  I, I think it is a it's a good quality script.
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  And it's, it's one of those ones J, and T in the Davison era
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  seems to have at least one story that almost doesn't get made.
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  And it's this one this season, like the return, which became
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  resurrection of the Daleks didn't get made at all this
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  season, but this is the one that almost didn't get completed for
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  various reasons and we'll discuss them.
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  As the story goes along, but this is very much the show that
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  goes wrong and for still to be as good as it is, is it's a
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  testament to the writing. It's a testament to the cast and
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  and Mary reach the director. And while, you know, usually I'm
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  not a detractor of Jade, TS, he massively drops the ball several
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  times on this one. What can I turn that on its head
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  then and ask you? Why do you think people don't
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  like this? Because this this is not a
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  popular story. No, I think, I think part of the
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  reason, people don't like this is, the design work is pretty
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  drab, and it's sort of understandable, given the
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  context of the story, but at the same time, you've got to create
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  visual interest. Yeah, if you look at something
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  like the girl who waited in the more than series which similarly
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  deals with ideas of, you know, viruses and debts facilities and
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  what have you? That's quite visually stunning.
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  Despite some very Stark content in that so I think that's one
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  reason. I think another reason is the
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  long persistent rumor that the ice warriors were meant to be in
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  it, but yes. And, you know, we we, as fans
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  set ourselves up for disappointment and then get
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  really, really cross, you know, where we get excited about
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  something that we've made up. I've recently had this on
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  Instagram where the BBC posted the video of Lenny, Henry and
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  David Tennant for Red Nose Day and so many comments just going.
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  Is this it is this it is this, it is this it and so I put up a
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  comment saying, some of you are so bloody entitled, how about we
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  just have nothing and then You can still complain but no one
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  has to put in any effort and someone responded to be saying,
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  well it was all the hype that came up.
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  It's like, the hype was from fans.
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  Yeah. The height, like the BBC, didn't
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  go. We're having like a two-minute
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  scene with David Tennant. It's like if you hype yourself
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  up. Well, I think particularly with
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  season 20, where there was all the publicity about something
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  old coming back in every story but they didn't actually mention
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  that the something old was the same in three of the stories.
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  Yeah. And I think yes so you'll work
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  your there figured. Well, it can't be the black
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  garden because we walk we've had him already and so that's just a
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  continuing friend. So what else is going to be the
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  old that's coming back and Yeah, it's just sort of all there in
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  the background Sy. Yes, so my question to you then
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  is why do you love Terminus so much?
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  I think because I've never watched it twice in two days.
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  My brain is now. Oh my God.
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  It's great. There's so much good and I think
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  there is a lot. I think it's a really good
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  script, but it's misinterpreted in the production and it needed
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  to be a really huge Gothic production with a huge
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  over-the-top performances because the script is going
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  pushing all the characters that way and it's not played large
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  enough. Not play large enough.
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  Have you seen Lisa Goddard in this?
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  Well, that's just her hair. Yeah, exactly.
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  Well I think actually tell you what I think now as well.
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  You know, because I'll do that from time to time.
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  I think episode 1 is very strong, actually.
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  I think it's really atmospheric and creepy.
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  And the idea of this sort of Blackness encroaching the Tardis
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  and Then the unusual way, we get to the leper ship and then their
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  area atmosphere within the ship and then the briain Cliffhanger
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  like I think not it's not just on paper I think it's really
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  well directed as well on what I don't know where and what order
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  they did this but I'm wondering if this will this all kind of
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  was done first, because it feels like it's had a bit of time put
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  into it. On the Tilted seems were done
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  first. I think yes.
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  Yes, Ali. Those were those were the what
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  bits that I remembered from this story.
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  It wasn't anything else from part. 2 onwards, it was all the
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  opening scenes with the Tardis breaking up that really sat in
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  my head. And then after that it was a bit
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  of a blank so much so that I didn't remember there was a
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  robot in it. I didn't remember much about the
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  Garmin or any of those things. Really.
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  So Which I think is quite telling.
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  The operate, the Blue switches seen that opens the story in the
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  Tardis. That was that was say, word
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  filler material, but I think, I think it's A Cut Above his usual
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  argument and that sort of thing. But it was because the episode
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  was under running and they are Steven Gallagher.
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  Hey, can you write two extra minutes?
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  But he misunderstood and he wrote a whole new set of like
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  Tops and Tails. Has two existing seeds and say,
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  was it? No, it's like we were just like
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  something on one set. Please.
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  What was the original start of the story that where did it know
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  where did it kick in? Originally, Nyssa.
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  Sorry taking showing turlough to the room, so they just arrived
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  at address room. It's like, this is your room and
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  then Nyssa experimenting on our enzyme if your part we've all
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  done it. And and this scene of turlough
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  mucking about under the console, this was a pick up later because
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  when it came time to record it, add marks recent got Down and
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  open the panel J&T was up in the gallery and said to Mary Ridge.
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  Oh, those aren't the right components.
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  They're currently at a doctor who exhibition will have to get
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  them back and they did and they did.
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  Yes. Well, so she had to rearrange
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  her schedule just to get. Yeah.
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  Yep. When this is started on the
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  first day, two hours behind straight away because there have
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  been electricians work overnight and nothing was working.
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  So she lost two hours. As of the first Studio day to
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  begin with, and it was downhill all the way for Palmieri Ridge
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  after that. Was there a distraction about?
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  Yes, you was. Was there a distraction?
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  I know, I know that here. Almost hit Enlightenment was
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  that happening during this as well.
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  Sort of what and what happened was, the Industrial action had
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  already happened, so a bunch of Christmas programs.
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  Hello, shades of Sharda, a bunch of Christmas programs needed
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  days in the studio, so Terminus lost a day in the studio to
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  them, and then the eventual remount that happens.
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  Two months later was put off by about a week or so, again,
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  because of a Christmas program. So this story itself wasn't hit
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  by industrial action, but it was a knock on effect, feeling the
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  effects. So, yeah, and depression, We it
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  sort of transpires that you end up losing the Dalek story at the
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  end of the season because of all of this and everything is
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  recorded slightly out of order. So they do this, they do the
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  first Studios of in life. No, no.
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  In like they do the kings demons, then they go back and do
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  Enlightenment because enlargements lost its slots.
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  So that takes the Dalek story slots.
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  And yeah, off you go, it's just a complete mess.
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  Mmm, what I know. I think we probably will all
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  agree. That Matthew Roberson directed.
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  The hell out of resurrection of the Daleks.
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  I would love to see more peer Greenway would have done with
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  that as well. Be very quiet.
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  Then I was, I was just imagining.
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  I was just a bed to think what I would have been like a, my first
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  thought is, you know, who, who would Peter grimwade of casters
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  Litton? You know?
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  Well exactly. Yes.
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  It would be like when I was Adams, Dallas Adams is Lytton.
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  I know, I think I'll call Fin this.
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  We're bringing in. Floella Benjamin instead get
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  sugar. Yes, please.
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  What's the, the whole thing about that studio time, that was
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  promised to marry Rich, then that never happened.
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  Now that she was told by Joan see that he could have, she
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  could have a two-hour overrun to get everything in the can and
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  finished, and then he reneged on it.
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  He turned around and said, actually no, you can't have
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  that. And yet, not only that he said,
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  he said that to her 15 minutes before that extra time was to
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  start and she was 25 shots away from finishing.
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  And she was like I can probably get this done in an hour and
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  dandy just went. No, you don't have the time now
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  and she was really confused because she had actually
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  negotiated with all the people you have to negotiate with like
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  the lighting and and set Cruz and what have you and everyone
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  had agreed. So she didn't never knew why it
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  suddenly went away it. We know what was it?
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  Was it pressure from above? Don't know.
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  Yeah. And then then, of course, it was
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  the Sarah Sutton's, farewell party, Sarah something going.
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  But I'm back into in two months anyway.
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  Like I'm not finished, I'm not happy and apparently Davison and
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  JN T had their only argument in three years really.
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  Yeah, pretty much Davis and going like, this has been, this
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  has been horrible for the cast because we were promised this
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  extra time and we didn't get it. It's horrible for Sarah because
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  she can't actually have her going-away party.
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  Now, you know, and and you know John this is your
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  responsibility. What a shame there, wasn't
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  Doctor Who confidential back then, recording all of that.
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  On a live picture that would have just added to the stress,
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  which was absolutely distraught because she had never brought a
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  show in Out of time, she'd always got it in even terminal,
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  where the Blake's 7 episode, where they fought where David
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  Maloney and said oh, she's never going to get this all done in
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  time. She's got a blow up the
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  Liberator at the end, all sorry spoilers.
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  So don't listen Marcus. Stunningly good.
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  It's just a shame like there is some atmosphere to this but I
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  don't think it has like the pace of her Blake's 7 episodes and I
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  or the so much of the style of it.
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  So is that all just down to the pressures of the day.
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  II believe. So yeah, because there were
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  there were times where she was having to shoot rehearse record
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  because the sets weren't properly lit during the
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  designated camera rehearsal period famously with that.
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  With that switch off like that day, she was meant to have extra
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  time. They were recording this as
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  leaving scene. But The set it was meant to take
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  place on hadn't yet been lit properly so she said right we're
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  going to record it in the Tardis could control room and Sarah
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  Sutton and Peter Davison said it doesn't make any sense for Nyssa
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  to come back into the Tardis and then go back to the ship because
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  of this dimensional stability and Mary Mary's like look I I
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  look good no we need to get this scene done and halfway through
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  the scene is when the lights went off.
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  Ah, fuck mmm. Of all the see, you know, it of
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  all the scenes. And so Sara, something's are
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  acting a hard out when we eventually get to her leaving
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  scene, she's really crying terrific.
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  It's real acting and she would have been putting in the same
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  performance there and then it gets cut off and and David said
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  apparently was were shouting like you know, you gets to
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  record this on this set. It's not meant to be here and
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  now This is not shouting at Mary Ridge, but just this isn't good
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  enough kind of thing. So then did they have to come
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  back and shoot for another day? Yeah.
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  Oh wow. Yeah.
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  You're in the entitlement Studio sessions.
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  They had to do a morning or something of terminus sounds
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  like bloody chaos. Did you see that seen a second
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  ago, where Nyssa was walking about and the camera sort of
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  lingers on her? She walks off that in that
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  direction and turns around and there's that Like really scary
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  electronic scream and the zoom in on her face, but I do think
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  there's some atmosphere here. Yeah, totally Gallagher for the
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  story was trying to evoke the Hartnell era because like Peter
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  Davis and that was, you know, what was embedded in his memory
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  and this first episode is very hard, you know, you've got the
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  regulars, wandering around, you know, Carrie and all.
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  They have just turned up in their hats, its main.
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  You've got, you've got crappy all this.
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  Yeah. They were
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  farting. But aside from that what about
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  those harms they? So this is one of the things
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  that went wrong while two of the things that went wrong.
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  First of all these costumes were originally made Blue by a very
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  experienced. Doctor Who costume designer by
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  the way and Mary ridges. Like you can't have blue.
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  It is a science fiction. You can't have blue.
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  We can I have blue screen so there had to be entirely remade
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  in about three days in white and then the helmets when it came
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  time for them to go on the set, the the special effects designer
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  who designed them was there and went.
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  Oh I didn't design these to be worn, they've got no air. are
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  holes in them, is that when they come through, that exploding
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  door, Well, also, the explosion was so big that Lisa got a let
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  out an F-bomb, so and soundtrack the soundtrack was huge, that
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  night as well in the studio. Yes.
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  The explosion not the F, Well, maybe even as well.
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  I've done Skippy and I was married to Colin Baker but
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  nothing's more terrifying than this.
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  I just say I don't think there's a more mannered line in the show
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  than when she goes Advance party to radar.
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  Come in radar. Come in its Carry an old via a
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  very strange because Gallagher writes them to be sort of head
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  to toe in, like leather, motorcycle outfits, and like, a
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  crack Commando team, and they've got capes huge.
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  Think he's got totally totally, it's a, yeah, it's an odd
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  choice, but ID Robson world was not Cooler with the cast Peter
• 26:32
  Davison on the commentary, didn't have a good word to say
• 26:36
  about it or so it was D was it okay?
• 26:40
  But Steven Gallagher is very complimentary of her work in the
• 26:47
  documentary on the DVD say, well, are they, OK?
• 26:50
  If they think is Impractical, it looks great.
• 26:52
  Those veneer costumes, look, fantastic.
• 26:59
  Yeah, I do love the design of the veneer costumes.
• 27:02
  Went where our, when can we see the video?
• 27:05
  We'll discuss some of the practicalities, but design-wise
• 27:08
  they look day to be terrific. So do you think this is a case
• 27:12
  of a designer? And a script?
• 27:15
  Just like, there hasn't been a tone me in here to say this is
• 27:19
  how this needs to sort of look aesthetically.
• 27:23
  Hmm. Yeah, II would agree with that
• 27:27
  but, you know, I think if you look at someone like June
• 27:29
  Hudson, who I think, you know, does sometimes goes off the
• 27:33
  rails with her designs but they all but they still also somehow
• 27:39
  fit, you know, I mean she's got. She knows how far she can push
• 27:44
  it. Whereas I feel like d Robson
• 27:48
  here. Gets a particular idea for these
• 27:50
  costumes and doesn't consider character, you know how they
• 27:56
  are, they fit into the world. I mean, Sarah such as walking
• 28:00
  around in their undies. Yes.
• 28:05
  Yeah. There's a, there's a, there's a
• 28:06
  reason for that, which will come to more, very good reason, but
• 28:09
  it's a reason and the very least, okay, boys.
• 28:14
  Well, I want to ask you, both your thoughts on turlough and
• 28:20
  his mini Arc this season and whether you think this was one
• 28:24
  worth doing and to successful and let's start with PSI.
• 28:31
  Yes, I think it was worth doing. It was an interesting choice to
• 28:40
  have someone who's not necessarily trustworthy in the
• 28:43
  Tardis. I don't think they necessarily
• 28:47
  do it justice. Because how many times is he
• 28:50
  going to try and kill the doctor unsuccessfully?
• 28:53
  And how often can you actually pull that off and then the
• 28:58
  writers don't really know. What to do with him.
• 29:01
  Once he is redeemed, particularly, and I don't really
• 29:04
  know what to do with him in this story in particular as well
• 29:08
  after a very strong start in Mordred.
• 29:10
  I'm dead and I think he's very good in Enlightenment as well.
• 29:14
  But here that rendered. Yeah, I, I agree with everything
• 29:22
  so I just said it was a really interesting idea for a
• 29:26
  character. We just had a moment with Janet
• 29:29
  Fielding getting Buy some extras and unfortunately, one of them
• 29:31
  got a bit too enthusiastic on the first take and pulled her
• 29:34
  top down by accident. Did you see that in power?
• 29:38
  The doctor where the Cybermen had came out of that lift shop
• 29:42
  and they were all grabbing her. I swear that was a call back.
• 29:46
  Oh no, oh yes, yes, good point. Yeah, I think like, Mark is very
• 29:53
  sick strip. I think Mark is very successful
• 29:56
  with the material. They give tutor low.
• 30:00
  For this Arc. And as, especially the sort of
• 30:03
  emotional struggle, he has with it in the next story, and I
• 30:07
  think it also gives Janet Fielding a new dimension to
• 30:10
  play. Because, you know, she's been
• 30:14
  The Reluctant companion in her first season, and but now she
• 30:19
  sort of becomes the doctors protector and is constantly kind
• 30:22
  of saying too low. I don't trust you and I know
• 30:24
  you're up to something and I'm not going to let it happen,
• 30:28
  which is absolutely lovely. But Yeah yeah here because they
• 30:33
  want to foreground Nyssa. They are about to put too low
• 30:38
  and take it to the some ventilation shafts for
• 30:41
  two-and-a-half episodes which again those things have their
• 30:45
  moments because Gallagher's very good.
• 30:47
  But yeah. It is a bit of a shame to
• 30:49
  sideline him in his second story.
• 30:52
  Mmm. And you know as Mark kind of
• 30:56
  points out as his character goes a log, he just gets locked up a
• 31:00
  lot. There's a scene later on in this
• 31:04
  story. You know, the scene that starts
• 31:06
  with them sitting on the stairs and he's like, Teagan could you
• 31:08
  oh yeah and it's a really interesting moment.
• 31:13
  I'm like, why do we get more of this?
• 31:17
  Hmm. Yeah.
• 31:18
  Well for sure though and the to the to two actors could really
• 31:23
  pull that off together and is really interesting dynamic.
• 31:28
  Do you like this Cliff fire? Because I think this is super
• 31:31
  effective this cliff and I'm glad they used the word leper.
• 31:35
  I'm surprised I did but I'm glad they did.
• 31:42
  Yeah. It's it's interesting that they
• 31:45
  did and of course they got complaints and whatnot and
• 31:48
  basically we're back those complaint saying look, just
• 31:50
  watch till episode 4 because this gets a payoff and, you
• 31:55
  know, we do address it. I think I think the own the only
• 31:59
  thing that doesn't work and it's not necessarily the line.
• 32:02
  It's the ACT thing is I think the only thing that doesn't work
• 32:05
  is done That could just be we're all going to die, you know.
• 32:11
  It doesn't have to be. Yeah.
• 32:13
  All stretch out the whole sentence.
• 32:15
  We're all going to die. You know.
• 32:20
  It is a problem is a problem with these Pirates because
• 32:27
  there's a scene later, wake our egos please.
• 32:34
  I also think it's a bit of a shame ends with With the close
• 32:38
  up on the doctors face, when actually, it should have been
• 32:40
  over here who got the Cliffhanger there, because he's
• 32:43
  done the lines and done the work for that.
• 32:45
  I don't think that quite comes off.
• 32:49
  Because we're not focusing on him.
• 32:51
  Hmm, But and especially because you know, he's run up to the
• 32:55
  bridge and stood on the stairs to have his close-up and he
• 32:58
  doesn't get it. Yes, always a terrible harm.
• 33:02
  You know olvia so he is it's not your usual sort of moment of
• 33:07
  Jeopardy. Remember our modern Undead
• 33:08
  episode one ended with the turlough, pick it up that rock.
• 33:12
  You know, it's basically we're in a really tricky situation
• 33:16
  here. Cliffhanger I quite like that.
• 33:20
  That's just quite different from.
• 33:21
  You. Don't have someone coming and
• 33:23
  going. No, don't kill them.
• 33:24
  You know, they think of the next episode.
• 33:28
  Hmm. And Mary is direction of the
• 33:35
  lasers coming out of their cell and going through the corridors,
• 33:37
  it does feel like you've got about 40 people there.
• 33:40
  Yes, it does. There's a lot of movement and a
• 33:43
  lot of body is in a lot of hands and things, and it's nicely
• 33:48
  done. Do you know is amongst that
• 33:51
  bunch of lepers? She knows in there.
• 34:02
  I think we, I think we actually get a shot of her face at one
• 34:06
  point. I'm going to point that out.
• 34:08
  Okay, well, I can't wait well, boys.
• 34:12
  I mean, we basically spent the whole of episode.
• 34:14
  What I'm talking about. Mary ridges, poor nightmares for
• 34:17
  out this production. Brendan we're in your hands and
• 34:21
  episode 2. You are the moderator.
• 34:24
  Are you ready to skipping some that one?
• 34:27
  I certainly am. Okay, let's do it.
• 34:31
  Bosh right I'll cut one.