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Kim Constable – Sculpted Vegan Founder & Nutrition Truth-Teller | The Fitness Industry Myth That’s Keeping You Weak and Sick · Success Story with Scott Clary

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  I bust a myth right here at the minute I keep saying people saying that they're
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  cooking with avocado oil and this drives me bananas and this just shows me how
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  people just see something on social media and everyone's doing it they think
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  that it's okay. She's not your typical CEO. At 37 Kim Constable was a
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  homeschooling mom of four until she decided to become a pro bikini athlete in
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  millionaire entrepreneur at the same time. Today she runs one of the world's
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  largest online vegan bodybuilding companies with multi-million dollar
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  revenue that's doubled year after year. So what I always say to people is oh you
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  shouldn't take seed oil I'm like why and they can't answer because they don't
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  know it's like well I saw it on TikTok. Avocado oil is the worst oil you could
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  ever cook with in your entire life because it is a polyunsaturated fat. Only
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  saturated fats that exist in the world are coconut oil, animal fat and ghee.
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  That's it. But more than that she's built a movement empowering thousands to
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  rewrite their limits. Build real businesses and create freedom on their own terms.
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  The more I see it with the world the more I realize that our schools are doing
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  our kids a disservice because they do not understand who to evaluate data outside of
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  emotion and perception. Through her platform the million-dollar mentor Kim shares the mindset,
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  strategy and grit it takes to grow something real from scratch. This isn't about hustle culture
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  it's about knowing what you're worth and building like you mean it. This thing in my hand
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  this phone if I chose to throw that away none of what existed only exists because we pay attention
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  to your success in life will be measured by the amount of difficult conversations you're willing to have.
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  Kim tell me about an inflection point a moment in your young life that pushed you on the path
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  that you're on today. Just one. Just one. It's so hard for me.
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  Probably going to boarding school at age seven. So it was one of the worst times of my life and
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  one of the best times of my life probably was one of the best outcomes because there's something
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  extremely potent happens whenever you are seven years of age and you're sent off to boarding
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  school and your parents decide to separate just after you go to boarding school. So the only time
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  you see your mum who is effectively your anchor in life is every other weekend from Saturday lunch
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  time until Sunday evening. You learned to become very self-reliant and very resilient and I would
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  honestly say that having the hardship of going to boarding school whenever I was younger and just
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  having to figure shit out and fend for myself and take care of myself and take care of my sister
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  who was a lot more fragile than me. I think that was one of the things that taught me to be
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  very very very self-reliant and a really good problem solver because it wasn't like you could go to
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  mommy and daddy and say mommy I need this and daddy I need that you know you either had to learn
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  to do without which you know be hungry because there's no food because you're in boarding school
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  and you know you have to wait for a breakfast lunch and dinner time or so you either have to learn
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  to be okay with being uncomfortable and go without or you have to figure right away to get stuff
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  that you want which doesn't come from mommy and daddy and I would honestly say that that's
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  probably one of the things that has made me not only very accepting of whatever life throws at me
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  you know I can I can you know lie in the swankiest of five star hotels and I can camp in my horse
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  lorry with my horses you know in a field full of mud and either and either play as I'm happy
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  so I think that definitely going to boarding school from a young age turned me or created
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  you know someone very very resilient on a great problem solver and because you only asked for one
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  that's that's probably the most profound one we can wait I mean we'll get through we'll probably
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  we'll probably hit a whole bunch more what do you think I've thought about this a lot because
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  you get you can use yourself and your sister as an example so two people thrown into the same
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  situation you mentioned that you had to take care of your sister what do you think at a young age
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  is the trigger or the indicator of whether or not somebody can lean into hardship and come out okay
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  on the other side hmm I think a lot of it is self a lot of it is taught a lot of it is modeled
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  is two things that I would say my parents were both are real caretakers and but it's funny how
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  I'm the youngest and I we're all caretakers I've two sisters two older sisters were all caretakers
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  to the same degree of people but I definitely have the strength that comes with it that probably
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  they don't have you know the the drive which probably comes from being the third child so I think
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  first of all I think a lot of a lot of it is modeled my parents both I I watched them in my childhood
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  spending their entire lives helping people cooking for people taking in people who we're going
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  through divorces like we had random people living with us at any one time like I and as a child
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  you never question it why is you know David McCallum sleeping on the couch for six months you don't
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  question he's just here and he's sleeping on the couch you know why is this person staying with us why
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  are they here my dad ran a car my husband always says Kim's dad is a used car salesman and I'm always
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  like he had a bloody dealership like he had a four dealership you know he's like he's a used
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  car salesman it's kind of a bone of contention between us because I'm like imagining some you
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  know you don't know who delboy is probably but over here in the UK delboy was like the use car salesman
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  I think everybody understands exactly what it's like you know with all of his like you know it's like
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  lazy ways but so my dad had a which was in fact a used car sales business in our in our at our
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  house and so he spent every single day you know in the office and back and forth the office and
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  snelling cars dealing with people so every single day there was a stream of customers coming in
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  under the yard there was a stream of people calling him needing him to come and collect their car
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  pick them up help them out there were all always hangers honors mail hanger honors you know his
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  crony is posse of people mechanics and people who just wanted to come and sit and chat I grew up in
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  the country it's a very country way so I guess what I watched from my parents when I was younger was
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  what when someone picks up the phone and says I'm in trouble you the first thing you do is jump
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  in the car and you go and collect them it was I just watched my parents have this network of
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  being I guess you know in a small country time Ila McGee you know in Northern Ireland my dad was
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  you know he used to jokingly refer to himself as the mayor of Ila McGee you know there was no mayor
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  in Ila McGee but he was definitely a very prominent figure on a prominent figure who took care of
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  people so that was one of the things that was always modeled for me and modeled for my two sisters
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  but because I was the youngest of three and there was three in three years I'm 46 my sisters 47 my
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  other ones 48 so my per mother like three girls in three years I don't know how she survived
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  and I think that because I was the youngest and therefore had my two sisters to lean on I think
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  the birth order is actually very very important and it's not something that people talk about a lot
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  but as the youngest of three girls whenever there was a problem or whenever mom was mad with us and
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  we were like grounded in our room or whenever it was Christmas morning and you know we wanted to see
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  had Santa been yet I was always the one who was pushed forward it was like Kim go see his Santa
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  being Kim go and see his mom still mad at us Kim go and do this Kim to go and do that because I was
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  the youngest and my sisters were telling me like they wouldn't be sending me off in these errands
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  unless they believed that I was capable of doing them I think is what the belief in me was instilled
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  in me and so I developed a lot of self confidence from a very young age that that I could go out and
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  do things solve problems yeah and get it done because my sisters believed in me and they were
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  always pushing me to be the one to go and do it and me like a mug went and did I excited
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  no any different so I think that then of course when we on deporting skill my older sister was fine
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  the oldest but my middle sister struggled a lot she was always had a lot of you know she was
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  always scared of a lot of things scared of the dark scared of monsters scared of things and I guess
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  because because I was the youngest and I wasn't scared of these things I kind of felt it was my job
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  to take care of her which is what I did and I think that then that has just carried right through
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  my entire life because honestly Scott if you ask anyone who knows me like what is Kim known for
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  Kim takes care of people so you learn how to take care of people you learn how to lean in you
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  learn how to take responsibility no one's coming to save you how does that manifest in sort of the
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  first version of your career because you were a yoga teacher for a long period of time so it's still
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  teaching educating supporting talk to me about that do you know what's funny even I love that you're
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  saying this because I like I've been studying the human brain the developing brains human
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  human psychology for 20 years like I've worked with the coach for 20 years like unpacking like trauma
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  from childhood and working on limitations and stimulus response patterns like it's what I do I love
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  it and but I it's it's funny I became a yoga teacher by default really like I I love teaching my
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  my dad wasn't my dad is always teaching and he always has like a he has like a there's like a
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  right way to do things he's quite OCD in fairness and all the best people are and so you couldn't
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  just put something in the dishwasher when we were younger he would be like no no no no no no no no
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  no it doesn't go there the cops go at the back and the glass go at the front and this goes here and
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  you stack this here he always had to show you like a way to do things that was better than the way
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  you were doing them so I just have that this need when I see like a problem to fix it or to help
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  or to step in there but it definitely definitely comes from that however it's funny the the yoga
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  teacher and I I became a yoga teacher when I literally threw in the towel I was like fuck this
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  shit I was like I'm not like I had been trying and failing to start an online business for years
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  undecided that it was far too much work I couldn't do it I was breaking myself in half I wasn't
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  making any money so I was just going to give it up and do the thing that I loved which was yoga I
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  was practicing yoga religiously every day for an hour or two hours every day studying online studying
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  tutorials like I love learning I'm like a sponge and I just as I was like well I know that I could
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  make money at this because this is you know something that I love doing I'm really good at
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  I love teaching so I'm going to become a yoga teacher so that is how I actually became a yoga
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  teacher it wasn't it wasn't even like a you know like a lifelong dream or some you know it was
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  something that I decided to do because I knew I could make money at it whenever I had been
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  trying and failing to make money online for years and I knew I was going to get a divorce actually
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  if I didn't I didn't start building it some money without spending it although I'd definitely
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  more than made up for it now I can tell you I have no doubt yeah I got even your question was
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  I think it just rumbles oh no it was it was just I was just teeing up I was so you know you
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  when we first we first kicked this off you said only one inflection point I'm like yeah I just
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  wanted to start but now I'm just looking at all the different things that created who you are
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  today really that's really what I was teeing up was when you were when you were practicing yoga
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  was diet I mean I mean diet for people that are into working out and into fitness it's always a
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  thing but it was it as much of a component of your life as it is now so here's what happened I was
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  21 years of age living on a diet as most 21 year olds do of bacon buddies and sausage
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  suppers and you know french fries and you know with the occasional you know good meal thrown in
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  there I was definitely wasn't being in at the time I was living with my boyfriend who
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  um he had a yacht we I've always written horses my entire life and so we had set up this
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  horse yard together and so we were very fit and very active I was very very very lean like
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  I was a you like a US size two at the time and I'm five foot at all so I got was really really
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  so I was physically active physically fit looking great but I to know what's a really
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  it's one of these funny moments I remember one day going to the mirror and going oh is that
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  pimple on my cheek I remember like scraping my cheek and thinking like I had like a pimple
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  and as I kind of poked it move it it didn't you know like if you this disgusting but like if you
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  have a pimple and you squeeze it it pops well this wasn't popping right and I remember going
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  is that and I remember going getting a pair of pointed tweezers and poking at this thing and pulling
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  it out right and it was a little white ball and I realized it was like a cholesterol deposit
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  in my cheek that's and I don't know whether it was or it was that's so gross what happened
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  that's so gross it might not expect you to be going in that direction
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  so I so what happened was I picked it out and so I had a moment I at the time I was eating a lot
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  of bacon right and we didn't have a lot of money at the time and so you know we were we were
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  spending money on food but we were probably not buying like the highest quality food and I was
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  eating a lot of salt a lot of bacon I was you know drinking probably a lot of alcohol I was smoking a
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  lot of pot I was like you know not the healthiest like 21 year old in the world and I remember that
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  was a pitiful moment for me I remember thinking I wonder should I change my diet so this weird thing
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  happened I went to my aunt had a beach house okay now it's time for a glamorous it's really not
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  like over here in Northern Ireland we did not have big beaches like this is clocky beach we're
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  talking about here it's like like a hundred meters long right and it's mostly like pebbles on a
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  bit of sand but she had a house in this little time called clocky and I was working at the time
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  in a restaurant and so I was working really long hours you know working you know and I didn't get
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  much time off and whenever I did I was with the horses and so I said to my boyfriend at the time I was
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  like Jonathan let's go to clocky like for our for my day off let's leave after you know I finished
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  I've got two days off we'll go there we'll go to the beach choices in the middle of winter and I was
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  like we will you know we'll have we'll have a great time by this is before iPhones iPads this is
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  that you know there was sky TV or whatever but like there was so I thought you know we'll go
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  there it'll be great we'll go to the pub and you know well it'll be fun so we got to clocky in
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  the middle of the winter the wind was hiling the house was absolutely freezing it was not like
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  the glamorous beach kind of vacation than I had on my head when we got into the house I was like
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  shit there's no TV I didn't realize it was no TV and so I was like okay there's nothing to watch
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  and really there was you know we went for a walk we went to the pub we came home like there was
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  nothing to do right so I thought okay but there must be a book here like I'll try and find a book
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  to read so I went scarring right my aunt's house and I she was there were big golfers and there
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  was like a couple of golf books and I was like I would have to literally be like at my you know
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  at the very end of the earth to have to read a book about golf so the only other book in the
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  house was this book which I picked up I was like this is the weirdest book to find in my aunt's
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  house because she and my my you know uncle are not like super health conscious this kind of stuff
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  it was called eight weeks to optimum health by Dr Andrew Viel I think it is W E I L but I think
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  it's pronounced Viel but I don't know I'm just guessing so I was like eight weeks to optimum health
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  I was like a fucking health book like are you kidding me like is this it is this all I have to read
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  but like starved of anything else to do apart from drink alcohol I started to read this book
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  and about one chapter in I was completely and utterly hooked he it was an eight week program where
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  he discussed the water that you drink the supplements that you take you know your your health about
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  digital you know clocks in the bedroom like some of it I it's not like I'm evangelical about all
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  stuff now I'm absolutely not but he opened my eyes to health in a way that no one ever had before
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  and the biggest thing that I began to learn was about food he was like he talked about food labels
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  and about how you know the stuff that goes into our foods and I'd never ever in a million years
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  picked up something on the gross on the shelf in the supermarket and read the label on the back
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  I picked it up and looked at the front oh this looks delicious I never even considered calories it was
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  like you know if it looked good I bought it never considered what was in the food that I was buying
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  and he started he edgy started educating me in this book about preservatives and and you know
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  hydrogen you know hydrogenated fats and stuff like a lot of people don't even know what a
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  trans fat is and I learned about saturated fats mono unsaturated fats poly unsaturated fats
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  about their molecular structure what makes a trans fat and I was just blown away and the being the
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  kind of person who really loves information and learning this book transformed my life from that
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  moment on I became a massive advocate for food and for health and for what we put inside our bodies
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  because I was suddenly educated as to all the stuff that I had been doing that I didn't even
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  know was wrong and I was like walking around telling people do you know what's in that and do you
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  know what's in that have you read the label on that let me let me just let me just tell you what all
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  these things are I drove my family bananas but I think it was the it's weird it was like having that
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  like whatever that little I thought was a cholesterol bump on my face that came just before this book
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  and I began to put two and two together and I just began to completely revolutionize my health
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  and that's when I went down the rabbit hole that I was 21 I'm not 46 so I was 25 years ago
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  and I think you were so ahead of your time educating myself for 25 years yeah because now this is
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  so it's interesting so that little cholesterol bumper whatever it is you know what everyone
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  else's cholesterol bump was it was COVID it was COVID and then everyone's like shit I don't want
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  to die I better figure out about health and wellness and what I put in my body that's why you see
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  so much content now about what's in the label and what in seed oils and all the other things that
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  you see all over TikTok and Instagram and YouTube but 20 20 years well like 24 23 4 years ago I don't
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  think it existed but was not as I'm just gonna bust can I bust a myth right here and I was just
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  a little bit it's just a little bit of data right so at the minute I keep seeing people saying
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  that they're cooking with avocado oil and this drives me bananas and this just shows me how
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  people just see something on social media and they because it's on social media they and
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  and everyone's doing it they think that it's that it's okay so what I always say to people is
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  and the whole thing about seed oils well you shouldn't take seed oils and I'm like why and they're like
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  because they're bad for you and I'm like tell me why well because they because they're highly
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  processed and I'm like really why is that bad and they can't answer because they don't know it's like
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  well I saw it on TikTok right so I don't buy into the whole seed oil there there is it's not
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  that I buy into it there is something about seed oils which is which there is an like anything there's
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  an element of truth and anything but it's not the complete picture and I always so one thing I
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  always ask myself is who would stand to gain from the propaganda of this information that's the
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  first thing I ask soon as anything comes out as this is bad and this is good I'm like okay who's
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  driving these studies that's what I want to ask first because if you follow the money you get to
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  where the actual data is second thing is let me just tell you about avocado what right for those of
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  you who are like oh I'm you know cooking with avocado what avocado oil is the worst oil you could
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  ever cook with in your entire life because it is a polyunsaturated fat people think it's a it's a
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  saturated fat because it's solid at room temperature when it's an avocado but there's three types of
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  fat saturated fat stop me if I'm going to you're like Kim this is not the point of the podcast so
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  there's there's saturated fats there which are solid at room temperature and the only saturated
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  fats that exist in the world are coconut oil animal fat and ghee that's it and how you know that
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  they are saturated which means they're saturated with hydrogen atoms is that they are solid at room
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  temperature okay so if some a fat is solid at room temperature completely saturated with hydrogen
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  atoms why is this important it means that when you heat it it doesn't have any place on its molecular
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  structure to take on any extra hydrogen atoms so it's considered stable so they are the best fats
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  to cook with especially at a high temperature because they cannot turn into a trans fat a trans fat
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  is a fat that has been heated to a smoking point which means that it has taken on more hydrogen
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  atoms onto its molecular structure which makes it then solid at room temperature so if you take a
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  seed oil for example a monoinsaturated fat let's say flax seed oil right monoinsaturated fat flax
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  you heat that to a really super high temperature what that's going to do is it's going to
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  twist and change the molecular structure of the oil and force it to take on more hydrogen atoms
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  it then becomes a saturated fat but it doesn't it becomes a hydrogenated fat okay a artificially
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  hydrogenated fat which is actually a trans fat what makes it solid at room temperature is it
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  taking on extra hydrogen atoms but that makes it a trans fat it's not a it's not a saturated fat
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  it's not stable for cooking but why do they do this they do this so that they can use these fats
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  in cookies and pastries and things that they sell in the supermarket because they have a very
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  long shelf life avocado oil is a polyunsaturated fat it has two or more places on its molecular
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  structure that it can take on extra hydrogen atoms the reason it's solid at room temperature is
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  because it's a fucking fruit not because it's a saturated fat so if you squeeze the oil out of
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  an avocado it's actually a polyunsaturated fat is the most unstable of fats you cook with that
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  and you heat that it instantly becomes a trans fat your body doesn't know what to do with trans
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  fats it can't process them so it throws them into fat tissue where they where they migrate and grow
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  and like cause all kinds of havoc in your body and they're very carcinogenic in wellness
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  sometimes you don't see the negative and sometimes you live with a certain diet or a certain
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  point of view about what you put into your body for years it can and it can actually be very harmful
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  and I don't think the creators put a lot of thought into if somebody listens to my word as if I
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  was God what is their health going to be like in 20 years from now do you know what else I don't
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  think creators think no they don't the majority I'm actually going to go to the other side actually
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  of that as well and and tell you something that's happened to me a lot recently and because I
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  understand assumptions and presuppositions in a way that a lot of people don't so what I mean by
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  assumptions and presupposition presuppositions is assumptions are you have to ask yourself when
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  you're hearing somebody say something what would have to be true in order for the person to say this
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  if I were this person and I was making that I was saying this thing what would be the assumption
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  behind what I'm saying so it's it's almost like trying someone on if you like but there's and so
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  like if so if if you said to me you know what Kim eating eating meat is like so so so good for like
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  I would never eat anything else rather than go well fuck me he's wrong I would go okay well
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  what do I know about it's got what would have to be true in order for Scott to make this
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  statement maybe he has suffered from some kind of autoimmune disease maybe he has had about
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  experience with plants maybe he so I try on all these different things that would have to be true
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  for you to say that which leads me to that ask for more data and presuppositions is is
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  I'll give you an example like online for example I started making a lot of content where I've been
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  taking content that I teach in master classes and we've been breaking it down into bite size one
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  minute chunks to put on on Instagram and people hear content which is kind of what you're saying so
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  I'm getting a lot of flack at the minute people are going this is not true and blah blah blah whatever
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  and I'm like no you're a hundred percent right that and that's not what I'm saying and they're like
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  but that is what you said I'm like no no it's actually not what I said I'm explaining one process
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  of how your body processes that say utilizes the fructose what happens to the fructose in fructose
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  right because like people hate me whenever I say that fruit is more readily stored as fat because
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  of the fructose and that's why I say whenever you eat fruit fruit is because here's what happens
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  whenever you eat fruit the primary sugar and fruit is fructose whenever you're the only the only
• 23:21
  organ not the only but like the biggest organ in the body or high fructose is most utilized is
• 23:26
  by the liver the liver it very little fructose can actually be utilized can be broken
• 23:31
  down into glucose sent to the tissues for energy to be used as muscle glycogen so it goes to the liver
• 23:37
  it's turned into glycogen in the liver and then it's sent via triglycer turned into triglycerides
• 23:42
  and sent to the fat stores okay so it's really sent to fat store one process fructose liver fat store
• 23:49
  so I explain this online and people go you're saying the fruit is making you fat I'm like no
• 23:54
  no I'm saying that fruit the primary sugar and fruit is more easily converted into triglycerides
• 23:59
  via the liver and stored as fat than any other you know than any other sugar one part of the process
• 24:05
  so whenever I'm putting out information I guess I assume that people watching it are going to be
• 24:09
  able to evaluate data but what I've learned is people cannot evaluate data they can't go well is
• 24:16
  this the whole story what else might she be saying what else could possibly be true which is the
• 24:20
  presupposition so it's like you know and so like in order for her to say this this would have
• 24:25
  to be true that's what a presupposition is and so I think that there is an onus on the creators
• 24:30
  to create more content but what I keep pushing back on is there's also there's also an onus on
• 24:36
  the watchers to say I agree with that is this like is what she's saying true in reality whenever I
• 24:43
  hear someone make a statement about something I go oh interesting I want to hear more I'll ask a
• 24:47
  question so is what you're saying whatever I did this recently with the video I put out a video
• 24:50
  and said muscle only grows in the final reps of the final set if you're training you know the to
• 24:56
  failure the way that we train and then I went on to explain how you know going for straps failure
• 25:00
  reps whatever causes muscle to grow and so and I got a lot of a lot of backlash from that video and
• 25:06
  people are saying okay so you're saying that I should be training this way and I'm like no and
• 25:11
  they're like that is what you're saying I'm like no there was absolutely no should in this I'm just
• 25:15
  explaining high in high intensity training muscle grows in the final reps of the final set
• 25:20
  but all what people here is you should be doing this and if they're not doing it then they get
• 25:25
  angry with you and I'm like guys like chill the fuck out like you know it's or I say most people
• 25:31
  are most people are are capable of lifting more than they believe than than they do I said you
• 25:36
  know if you've increased your this is not a video we made recently the month viral if you can
• 25:40
  increase your weight if you can squat 30 kilos in the first week and then you go 35 40 45 50 55
• 25:44
  60 you were probably capable of squatting 60 kilos in the first week that was the video and I
• 25:50
  had thousands of comments of people going so you're saying that I should injure myself the first day
• 25:57
  I go into the gym and squat 60 kilos I'm like no that's absolutely not what I was saying I was just
• 26:01
  saying you were capable of lifting more not that you should lift more but I the more the more I see
• 26:08
  of the world the more I realize that our schools are doing our kids a disservice because they do not
• 26:13
  understand who to evaluate data outside of emotion and perception you know there's what I think
• 26:20
  about the data there's what I feel about the data there's how I have evaluated the data and then
• 26:24
  there's actually the data then there's what the person meant in the data and we're not able to
• 26:28
  separate our meaning and perception from the actual data and making evaluation and I believe that
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  life.com slash clary i was going to say the issue with social media and content creators in the
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  fitness space and why you're getting frustrated because people aren't really thinking critically
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  about the information they're consuming is because there are creators out there that even when
• 30:06
  their ideas are challenged they'll lie to your face because they want to promote a certain
• 30:13
  perspective or point of view and i think that there's enough creators doing that that it confuses
• 30:19
  people because if i if i follow five creators and they say the most ridiculous outlandish shit about
• 30:26
  what i should eat and then in a long form podcast or challenge and they lie or they double down
• 30:31
  and they they basically never say there's other ways of thinking through what you should eat how
• 30:37
  you should live your life well then i start to develop this almost this uh this idea that all
• 30:43
  creators are so myopic in their perspective and what they say i just take for face value because
• 30:48
  i've followed all these other creators that have been challenged and they don't they never delineate
• 30:54
  from their main perspective or point of view listen at the end of the day i think it is on the
• 31:00
  onus is on the consumer to do their own research and to to collect information from a wide variety of
• 31:07
  sources and to your point question the incentives as to why that person is sort of taking that point of
• 31:12
  view the way that you the way that you provide context the way that you have opinions but you also
• 31:19
  understand that there's different points of view that could be potentially better for other people
• 31:25
  in different medical conditions or definitely better in different situations i mean that's
• 31:32
  that's a very mature thought that's the way that all creators should be i can tell you that's not
• 31:36
  the way all creators are though do you know do you want to know my my opinion on that yes please
• 31:42
  because it's the difference between data it's the difference between holding a principle through fear
• 31:47
  or holding a principle through ethic so let me explain my second son Kai was whenever i
• 31:55
  turned vegan i was very evangelical about being vegan because i hadn't developed an
• 32:02
  ethic around it i just decided that that this is what i was going to do so a lot of what i was
• 32:08
  doing was based on rules i still had these urges to you know eat cheese and to you know
• 32:13
  have eggs and i missed all these things but i was almost like you know rather than embrace that and
• 32:17
  be like you know you know oh maybe you know if i want to have some cheese i'm going to have some
• 32:21
  cheese i'm like no i am vegan right i am vegan and i cannot have those things and and here's why
• 32:26
  those things are bad for you by the way let me give you all the reasons why those are bad for you
• 32:29
  right and so i was a bit preachy to people and so and then i watched my son Kai he became my kids
• 32:35
  were all vegetarian and then Kai became an ethical vegan when he was younger and so he was like
• 32:41
  he decided he's very very like me and he just decides on a viewpoint and he's like absolutely
• 32:46
  staunch about it and so he became an ethical vegan and he got worse and worse and worse and worse and
• 32:51
  worse and worse and worse and he began to and he was like he wouldn't you know where feathers and
• 32:54
  his coat he wouldn't you know it's like where did this he began to source all these ethical products
• 32:58
  he wanted to know the history of everything and where it came from and the meat sources and like he
• 33:02
  he was like and i was like oh wow like i am not that kind of vegan but he was very very divided
• 33:08
  but here's how i knew it was a rule first of all he was 15 so he doesn't really understand
• 33:13
  ethics or have them or had developed them yet because he didn't have the life experience
• 33:16
  but secondly he fought with me on a daily basis as to why i was not vegan enough
• 33:22
  and why every time i made a choice that wasn't you know the most ethical choice that i could make
• 33:28
  he punished me for it and so whenever whenever we have something that's part of us and this is what
• 33:33
  happens with the angry preachy vegans i call them the the angry preachy vegans call me and say
• 33:38
  i'm not vegan enough to be vegan and so they get very angry at me whenever they see me carrying a
• 33:43
  Chanel hamburger or wearing something you know leather because i'm plant based i'm not an ethical
• 33:47
  vegan so i wear leather and that kind of stuff and so whenever they would see me doing things
• 33:52
  again they punish me the minute you have an urge to punish someone it's because they've broken a
• 33:56
  rule that you have because rules are always based on fear i have a rule or i have there's
• 34:01
  something about this that causes me fear or that that feels uncomfortable for me and so whenever
• 34:07
  i do it i feel uncomfortable whenever i see you do it that makes me feel uncomfortable but i don't
• 34:11
  know how to go oh wow that's interesting that's triggering me i'm feeling uncomfortable let me
• 34:16
  unpack that kind of what we were talking about earlier i go you need to stop doing that i need you
• 34:20
  to stop doing it right now so i can stop feeling uncomfortable because if i can just stop you from
• 34:24
  doing that thing it's like you know if i'm married to a guy who drinks and like i have a fear of
• 34:27
  drinking every time he drinks i'm gonna punish him because if i can just stop him from drinking i
• 34:32
  can stop feeling the fear so it's a very out of cause way of thinking so whenever something is a
• 34:37
  rule we will punish someone based on the rule that we have because we need them to stop doing the
• 34:41
  thing so we can go back to feeling okay whenever something is an ethic it's part of you you don't
• 34:47
  need to change anyone judge anyone you don't need to you know like explain to anyone what you're
• 34:54
  doing and if someone punishes you for what you're doing you say okay sure like you don't need you
• 34:59
  don't feel the need to defend it and that's the main difference so while what i've noticed with
• 35:04
  influencers online or people online who get really angry at me or tell me i'm not vegan enough to
• 35:09
  be vegan or these kinds of things anyone who ever has the urge to punish someone for doing something
• 35:14
  or like or like you know right and angry comment or anything it's because that person has broken a
• 35:20
  rule that they have and that rule is based on fear when something is based on an ethic when someone
• 35:23
  says to me you know well you shouldn't be doing that i just go you're probably right probably shouldn't
• 35:29
  and they're like well you shouldn't i'm like i know i wish i was perfect but i'm not and i'm not
• 35:35
  saying it facetiously i'm not like oh yeah i wish i was perfect fuck you i'm like you know yeah
• 35:39
  you're right like i'm not perfect i wish i was you know but you know it's just the way it is
• 35:44
  do you think that if we go a level deeper do you think that that fear based that that fear
• 35:52
  based perspective is actually a sign of incomplete understanding a little bit of incompetence
• 35:58
  and a slight lack of intelligence in the area that they're actually championing it's based on
• 36:03
  because if you want disintegration which in my experience of working my own issues is based on
• 36:07
  disintegration which comes from childhood so basically what happens is when we're when we're
• 36:12
  kids we we go out and we explore the world and we do things and we make mistakes and we have we
• 36:18
  don't have a belief structure we don't have an ethical foundation or understanding of the world
• 36:21
  when we're children we're just little kids right just like fumbling around make a mistakes you
• 36:25
  know figure and shit out but our parents in the world are you know are reactive and they have
• 36:31
  were brought up you know as children and so they have rules and different things for how we should
• 36:34
  be and so we do something one day inadvertently this is a very simple thing like say i'm eating
• 36:38
  cereal at the breakfast table and my mom is in a bad mood i don't know she's in a bad mood but she's
• 36:43
  you know she i have a new she has a newborn baby and she's stressed trying to get me out of the
• 36:47
  house and maybe she's having a difficult relationship with my dad and and she's like trying to
• 36:51
  cook dinner and the baby's crying and i'm just a little kid four years old said it's four
• 36:55
  years of age sitting at the table eating my cereal looking at the cereal box you know whatever and
• 36:58
  there's you know music playing and there's getting ball and eggs cooking and and i happen to knock
• 37:03
  over the carton of milk right and the carton of milk goes boom and it goes glit glit glit glit glit glit
• 37:07
  starts going on the floor well my mom is not in a good state right and she goes what are you doing
• 37:13
  oh my god i can't believe you've done this and she has like this emotional reaction right over me
• 37:18
  filling the milk which is completely irrational because it's milk it can be cleaned up right but
• 37:22
  she's viscerally feeling highly strong maybe she's a reactive kind of person but she reacts
• 37:27
  i'm a little kid i don't have a belief structure i don't have cognition children don't develop
• 37:31
  cognition until they reach puberty which for girls is around the age of eleven or twelve boys
• 37:35
  can be thirteen or fourteen until i reach cognition i don't i can't actually make sense of the world
• 37:40
  right i can't make i can't look at my mom and go you know no i as an adult i can be like holy
• 37:45
  shit like overreact much but i can be like she's probably having a bad day she's got a newborn
• 37:50
  she's probably sleep deprived she's well i can make sense right of the of the anger when i'm for
• 37:55
  no fucking idea why my mom is yelling at me but her reaction has now triggered my fighter flight
• 38:00
  which is a lower brain function in the body it's like your fight so like it's like a tiger has
• 38:04
  left eye to you in the jungle my fighter flight is my trigger right i'm like and i have this moment
• 38:08
  i'm looking at my mother i have no idea why she's angry but i now i know that i have this really bad
• 38:12
  feeling in my body it's not cognitive right it's primitive and so i look at her and i link
• 38:18
  the look in her face the smell of this spaghetti bolognese the sign of the music playing the
• 38:22
  look of the milk the fact that i made a mistake all of these different things i link to this bad
• 38:26
  so when i grew up in the future at this is why a stimulus response pattern is is downloaded
• 38:31
  whenever i grew up in the future every time like i'm in work one day right i'm my boss turns to look
• 38:37
  at me like this and i'm like and it triggers the fighter flight because it's exactly the same look
• 38:43
  my mom gave me that day again not cognitive i don't even know this is going on but something triggers
• 38:49
  the stimulus response pattern that was downloaded that day when my mom yelled at me which then
• 38:55
  i carried with me for the rest of my life and it could be this smell of spaghetti was have you ever
• 38:58
  had someone say like i i had someone say me the day no it wasn't it wasn't the day i was watching
• 39:04
  an interview with kate windslam she was talking about her husband the kate windslam was saying he's
• 39:07
  going to kill me for saying this but like my husband has this irrational fear of people crunching
• 39:13
  and biting into an apple and so whenever you like and he's like oh she says he actually like has
• 39:20
  this incredible she goes we like go up behind him with an apple like whenever we want to like
• 39:24
  really piss him off and i was like stimulus response pattern something happened in his childhood
• 39:29
  that linked the crunch of an apple to a really bad feeling and if he was able to focus on that
• 39:34
  feeling he could probably bring up the memory my point is this is what happens when we're kids
• 39:39
  but yet we grow up we never deal with these what you were saying in the beginning of the
• 39:42
  podcast we never deal with these stimulus response patterns are just downloaded into our DNA
• 39:46
  we're stimulus response animals like dogs and we we grow up and then we reach cognition and suddenly
• 39:52
  we can make sense of the world so what do we do we take this irrational fear
• 39:57
  and we apply logic to it which doesn't take away the irrational fear it just explains it away
• 40:01
  so when i'm an adult and you say came do you want to come for dinner i'm cooking spaghetti
• 40:04
  bowl nays and i go oh my god i hit spaghetti bowl nays now i don't know why it's spaghetti bowl nays
• 40:10
  but it was cooking that day that my mom yelled at me and scared the shit out of me right
• 40:12
  but i just know i hit spaghetti bowl nays and you're going i'm like scot you know i just don't like
• 40:19
  bowl nays i think it's the i think it's the tomato actually or maybe it's the
• 40:22
  you start to rationalize you start to rationalize it with the basil or whatever so anyway what
• 40:27
  happens is then whenever we're adults we walk around with these disintegrated fears inside of us
• 40:32
  all the time and these rules that we we create prisons for ourselves with these fears and if you
• 40:38
  have very angry very punishing very OCD parents you have more rules the more rule behind your
• 40:44
  parents are you either become rebellious or you become scared of breaking the rule and you
• 40:49
  literally built a prison for yourself and that's how so when i see Kim constable online
• 40:55
  this called the vegan wearing a leather hamburger i see her talking about something to do with the
• 40:59
  general she's wrong like that that's not like i just you know we have this like emotional reaction
• 41:04
  where i need you to stop saying what you're saying because it breaks my rule and that's scary for
• 41:09
  and so we're like little kids running around an adult body is not known what the fuck to do
• 41:14
  and that's why i forgive most people for what they do let's talk about
• 41:18
  why you chose to become vegan you read that book um there's a lot of other ways to be healthy
• 41:26
  there's like a sliding scale between eating bacon every day and drinking to becoming vegan because
• 41:32
  there's a lot of other health practices and diets that you can choose to adopt so what was it
• 41:38
  about veganism um that was so attractive to you why not just any of the other diets i mean pick one
• 41:47
  there's a million that you can choose from what was what was so attractive about becoming a vegan
• 41:54
  why you're gonna hit my answer i always tell this story to my trainer and the gem loves to tell
• 42:00
  this story about the first day i come into train with him and he said to me so uh and marks like
• 42:04
  this massive like 220 point bodybuilder beef kick you know and he goes to me so uh you know
• 42:09
  sticks for like stick for breakfast kind of guy yeah of course so tell me uh why uh why did you
• 42:14
  become why did you become vegan then and i went honestly mark i said i saw a gap in the market where
• 42:20
  i could make money and i went for it and he went you serious and i was like yep and he goes really
• 42:29
  and i was like mm-hmm and he goes i knew from that day on that we were gonna get on like a house
• 42:32
  from fire because she was the most honest person to ever met in my entire life
• 42:36
  and scott that is the honest to god's truth that is why i went vegan because i saw a gap in the
• 42:40
  market for a vegan bodybuilder and you're completely stupid you're like this is not what i expected her
• 42:46
  to say no i don't do the shit what you what you said i mean it's real um first of all it's very
• 42:52
  strategic i don't think a lot of people see a gap in the market and they think i'm gonna change
• 42:57
  my entire diet i was already vegetarian so yeah so and i like the the other part of it is i
• 43:03
  actually really enjoy doing hard things and that's the other reason why i went vegan i love doing
• 43:09
  hard things i like to challenge myself and i was already vegetarian and i kept seeing um and there
• 43:14
  was there was probably a part of it as well was like i wonder will vegan be healthier for me so
• 43:20
  i guess i guess at the at the at the heart of it first of all became a was a i was already vegetarian
• 43:26
  but why did i go vegetarian people ask me this i went vegetarian because 25 years ago my best friend
• 43:30
  was vegetarian and i and she was like really successful and built this massive company and i was like
• 43:35
  well she's really successful and she's vegetarian so maybe if i become vegetarian i'll be really
• 43:39
  successful too this is in 25 years she had 30 years ago maybe 30 years i think i was about 20 what
• 43:44
  are yeah 30 years ago and so that's why i went vegetarian and then it became an ethic okay first
• 43:49
  of all it was a rule and then it became an ethic and i was like well actually i don't want to
• 43:52
  eat animals and just as a side note if you know more the energy that goes into feeding one cow
• 43:58
  for meat could feed 2,000 hungry people and while there are hungry people in the world it's not
• 44:02
  actually ethical for us to eat meat really if you want to take it onto a macro scale so that was
• 44:07
  the ethic that i developed to run it but then what happened was i i kept seeing people veganism was
• 44:13
  on the rise this is about 12 about 12 years ago now veganism was kind of really on the rise at
• 44:19
  the time and social media was really beginning to you know take off and i was thinking hmm i'm
• 44:25
  already vegetarian and you know i read the book called the China Study so there's a little more
• 44:29
  to it read a bit called the China Study and it really showed the link between animal protein
• 44:33
  and especially casein which is the protein in milk and cancer and they realized through doing
• 44:38
  these studies that they could turn on and off cancer growth in rats which have a very similar
• 44:44
  physiology believe it or not to humans and so that's why they test on rats a lot in labs and so
• 44:49
  what they did was they they realized that they could turn they could inject rats with cancer
• 44:56
  and then they could they could make the cancer grow by giving them more animal protein and make
• 45:01
  the cancer shrink by giving them less animal protein and they the findings of this work were
• 45:06
  absolutely astonishing and they realized that by feeding the rats a diet under 15% protein animal
• 45:11
  protein especially casein that they could actually completely reduce or eliminate any cancer that
• 45:17
  the rats had and the more they increased the animal protein the more the rats died and so once I read
• 45:21
  that study i was like oh that's interesting i definitely want to lead a long and healthy life
• 45:26
  there's maybe something in this so that was always in the back of my head and then i began to see
• 45:30
  veganism as on the rise and i thought you know what i'm gonna give it i'm gonna try it i'm gonna
• 45:34
  give it a whirl right i'm gonna see if i can do this so that was why i became vegan it probably was
• 45:39
  i hadn't thought about the china study before actually or not in a long time is no one asked me
• 45:43
  that question in a long time but i think it was definitely the china study and my interest in health
• 45:48
  and living a long and healthy life um was probably the trigger for it and then once i had become vegan
• 45:55
  and i had you know started exploring it and really getting into it and using my knowledge of health
• 45:58
  and fitness then i saw then i started training in the gym and started researching a pro
• 46:04
  channelic for a program online that would teach me how to go to the stage which is what i wanted to do
• 46:08
  as a vegan bodybuilder and it didn't exist and that's when i went ding ding ding ding
• 46:12
  i've just turned vegan i can create this product and i can make money from it but that was the story
• 46:17
  behind turning vegan i think that from so this is a couple a couple uh a couple ideas around
• 46:24
  bodybuilding and vegan bodybuilding in general first of all uh bodybuilding in general is filled with
• 46:30
  misinformation full of guys that there's a lot there are a lot of natural bodybuilders but there's
• 46:35
  a lot of fake natural bodybuilders that lie and they say these are the results that i can achieve
• 46:41
  you know just by working it most i don't know any that don't so so it's a valid point
• 46:49
  that's a very valid point but i think that then when somebody comes out and says hey i'm a vegan body
• 46:55
  builder and this guy's like you know 220 with you know sub seven percent body fat walking around
• 47:03
  stage ready all year round like people are like that's a little bit suspicious so is it like
• 47:07
  is it the vegan or is it like you blasting and cruising uh for the past 20 years of your life
• 47:13
  so there's a lot there's so much there's so much like smoking mirrors and bodybuilding nobody knows
• 47:18
  what's actually possible and we can talk about any of this second idea that i've heard quite often
• 47:24
  about tofu is that it's not great for men it's estrogenic i have no data or science to prove that
• 47:28
  out this is just anecdotal from browsing social media so i don't hold these opinions highly these
• 47:33
  are just things that i hear secondhand and third uh that a lot of plant protein is incomplete protein
• 47:39
  versus meat protein which is complete like incomplete amino acid profile versus complete amino acid
• 47:44
  profile feel free to comment on any of those three ideas what what do you feel i mean in terms of
• 47:50
  bodybuilders being full of shit that's never good there's not really much to talk about there it's
• 47:55
  just not cool um if you're on shit then talk tell people that's at least i know what what they
• 48:00
  can and can't do naturally um in terms of you mentioned tofu was already not a great source of lean
• 48:06
  protein for vegan bodybuilders most because of the high fat content i have no idea if it does impact
• 48:12
  hormones for men or not um it doesn't okay and lastly i think the most interesting one and the
• 48:19
  argument that i've heard more often than not is that most vegan sources of protein are not a
• 48:24
  complete amino acid profile and that is that's true it's not that it's impossible it just create it
• 48:30
  makes it harder than it has to be quote unquote for somebody who's starting out um it's it's
• 48:36
  it's incomplete data though because the especially not last point you're making because it assumes
• 48:40
  that you're not eating a wide variety of food you know if you're literally eating chicken rice and
• 48:44
  but and broccoli and that's it breakfast lunch and dinner then you're going to be nutritionally
• 48:48
  incomplete anyway but you know someone who's eating a wide variety of food which is what i do
• 48:54
  and a wide variety of whole food and plant food and you know and vegetables and fruits and grains
• 49:00
  and you know you're getting a complete amino profile anyway and it doesn't your your amino profile
• 49:04
  doesn't your amino acid profile doesn't have to be complete in one food it just has to be complete
• 49:09
  in like a 24 hour to 48 hour period so yeah and king wise actually believe it or not a complete
• 49:16
  has the complete amino profile has all of the 13 essential amino acids that that are unique yeah
• 49:22
  interestingly but yeah so i think that it's just again it's just miseducation people i think that
• 49:27
  honestly whenever people don't have data they they make it up or they fill it in and so you know
• 49:33
  whenever whenever you say to someone well why is you know a meat based diet the best bodybuilder
• 49:39
  diet like they have to give you a reason otherwise they look stupid right they don't want to say
• 49:43
  i don't know which is actually one of the most empowering things you can say i remember watching
• 49:48
  at at q&a i digress like with the Dalai Lama once this is what profoundly changed my life right
• 49:52
  whenever whenever people you ask me can use another another inflection point yes whenever
• 49:56
  please ask me questions i used to feel like i had to have the answer like if i didn't have the
• 50:00
  answer i was somehow incomplete as a human like i'm a vegan bodybuilder and if you ask me about
• 50:04
  tofu well i feel like i need to know because otherwise i'm gonna seem stupid right so i think
• 50:09
  that that's what goes on for a lot of people too it's like oh my god i'm supposed to be the expert
• 50:12
  here and i should know but i remember watching a thing online once it was with the Dalai Lama and he
• 50:15
  was in this massive big forum and he was on stage and somebody was you know that he was doing like a
• 50:20
  forum with the crowd and they were able to ask questions they were passing around the microphone and
• 50:24
  i remember this guy you know he was like question yep over there and so they brought the microphone
• 50:27
  over to him and this guy said his holiness and he asked him this really profound question
• 50:34
  and which i didn't really understand with something about humans this and that whatever and i was
• 50:39
  like oh i was listening to this guy asking this question and and so then the guy said thank you
• 50:44
  very much and his holiness the Dalai Lama went like this and for those of you in the podcast who
• 50:52
  are not watching the video i'm leaning back with my finger i'm handled my chin so he lent back and
• 50:55
  he thought very thoughtfully for a minute when you kind of rubbed his chin and he stared into the
• 51:01
  in the into the sky and i was thinking wow it's gonna be a really profound answer here
• 51:06
  and he lent forward into the microphone and he went i don't know and then he just sat back
• 51:14
  and i was like you don't know like you're the fucking Dalai Lama you don't know and like none of us
• 51:21
  knew but it taught me such a valuable lesson because i was like it's okay to not know
• 51:28
  doesn't mean anything about you like the Dalai Lama has earned all of the fucking respect in the world
• 51:32
  and there he is on this massive world stage being televised all over the world telling people
• 51:36
  but he does not know the answer to the question that was his answer he was like next question please
• 51:41
  he didn't even like hypothesize or try to give an answer or try to make himself seem like super
• 51:45
  intelligent he just said i don't know so i think the problem is whenever you go to someone you say
• 51:49
  well why is eating a stick the best thing that you can do for bodybuilding they don't want to say
• 51:53
  i don't know it's just what i've always done they want to seem like they have to give you this
• 51:56
  answer right so i've never been like that well i know that's not true before the Dalai Lama i would
• 52:01
  have been like that but i got really really really good at just saying i don't know people ask me
• 52:06
  all the time i homeschool my kids and they go well what what's going to happen either old or
• 52:10
  not but when they were really young they said well what's going to happen whenever they're
• 52:13
  so they don't do any any education like no exams i'm like no no they're like like no GCSEs no
• 52:18
  eye levels which is our exams over here no and they go well what's what's going to happen whenever
• 52:22
  they're 18 and i used to go i don't know and they'd be like what do you mean you don't know i'm like
• 52:30
  well i don't know they're like five nights so i guess we'll find out we'll me get there
• 52:33
  and this used to shock the how i did people that i wasn't going well you see whenever they're
• 52:38
  14 we have this plan and we're going to do some online learning and education and then i have
• 52:41
  all these distance learning courses that we can possibly explore and and i was like i don't know
• 52:45
  i just kind of fucking suck it and say you know it's all a great big experiment and i think that if
• 52:50
  we become less vested in our viewpoint and more open to just saying i don't know i'm just here
• 52:57
  like for the ride do my best you know gathering data trying to you know share what i do along the
• 53:02
  way i think that the world will be a much happier place with regards to your first point vegan
• 53:07
  bodybuilders like a lot i think a lot of people assume that because you're vegan you're natural
• 53:12
  it's not true like i don't know any natural vegan bodybuilders i'm sure they exist but like the
• 53:18
  ones who claim to be natural have maybe been training for like 25 30 years so they have a huge
• 53:24
  amount of like if you're training solely for 25 years or 20 years or 15 years even you're going
• 53:30
  to build a lot of muscle mass right so it's not beyond the realms of possibility but let me tell you
• 53:35
  any vegan standing on stage who's competing in a bodybuilding show i would honestly
• 53:41
  hesitate to say that they are natural because it's very hard to get into that condition without
• 53:45
  some kind of under the counter drug you know and diuretic but that's not just vegan that's not
• 53:51
  that's all but i think a lot of it is assumption people assume because you're vegan you're natural
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  like a psychology expert and now a competition prep expert but in my opinion at least you're for
• 56:19
  I just try and like I just try and promote thoughtfulness and balance in your life before you
• 56:27
  dive into something head on I can have the same conversation about entrepreneurship I don't think
• 56:31
  you should quit your job before you build your business I don't need you to jump on drugs before
• 56:35
  you do your first show like I think that we live in this era of all or nothing and in the best
• 56:44
  case scenario it can hurt us financially in the worst case scenario can hurt us it can hurt our
• 56:51
  health and wellness and I think that just all or nothing is probably not the best way to start or do
• 56:57
  anything when you're first getting off the ground I think it's just very toxic I agree I agree
• 57:01
  but it's very toxic yeah we just people are impatient I think that's the biggest thing that's
• 57:07
  the biggest thing it's happened in social media because years ago we didn't see what everyone
• 57:10
  else was doing we only saw what you know billied on the road was doing and Jean Sester you know
• 57:15
  and you heard about these things through the grapevine you didn't see it but I think we're bombarded
• 57:19
  with these beautiful bodies every single day on Instagram a lot of what yeah yeah and so we're
• 57:25
  seeing this and we're like well I want that to how do I get that as fast as I possibly can
• 57:30
  and it's devaluing the hard work that it takes to to get there and that's what people aren't
• 57:35
  understanding the hard work and the time and the patience that it takes and it's yeah but us here
• 57:41
  they've done it all right fly in the flag you know like you in the business I mean I've been I've
• 57:46
  been playing I've been playing sports and working out since I was 16 and I'm 34 now so you
• 57:52
  you guessed my age correctly to a tee but I still I like I still walk around I'm 62 I'm 230 I
• 57:59
  mean good shape I still work out like I don't have any interest in competing but also go to the gym
• 58:03
  four or five days a week because it's like honestly gym is like my zen gym is what I used to get
• 58:08
  away from all the work um what out of all the out of all the people that you help support
• 58:16
  teach train mentor coach however you want to call it what do you think what would you think
• 58:23
  would be the biggest myths about veganism and vegan bodybuilding or just that lifestyle that you
• 58:30
  want to sort of dispel things that you think are not serving people you veganism will not change
• 58:35
  anything for you for the most part I think people people ask me all the time oh whenever you
• 58:40
  turned vegan like what were the differences you notice and I go uh nothing and they go uh what do
• 58:46
  you mean nothing and I'm like nothing and they're like but surely like did your nails not grow
• 58:50
  stronger and your hair was shinier and your digestion improved I'm like no and they're like
• 58:57
  oh really and they're but did you not get better results when you were vegan no and they're
• 59:02
  really shocked by this because they expected to be like oh my god yeah like when I turn vegan like
• 59:07
  my muscle mass like accelerated but this is all cognitive dissonance this is what people
• 59:12
  make up in their heads to justify their decision after they've made up they start looking for
• 59:17
  shit to justify their position I never did and so honestly and I'd rather just be honest with
• 59:21
  people they say oh but you know I'm I'm immediate or should I turn vegan I'm like if meeting
• 59:25
  a serving if eating meat is serving you and it's easier for your life and it's easier to achieve
• 59:29
  your goals and you're a flat-out shift worker trying to juggle two kids in a husband and you also
• 59:33
  want to train in the gym and try and meal prep you don't add veganism on top of that like let's
• 59:37
  not make your life any harder you're not going to get any better results you're not going to feel
• 59:40
  better you know I see all this shit about it the men up but I'm in menopause and I'm teaching a
• 59:44
  lot of parry menopausal stuff and so women and menopause are going well I whatever I turned vegan
• 59:50
  I've been vegan now for 10 years and all my menopausal symptoms disappeared and I'm like
• 59:56
  bullshit no they didn't like there is no link between veganism and menopausal symptoms disappearing
• 1:00:02
  none I mean you could say okay maybe your inflammation might have gone out if you had if you're
• 1:00:05
  in from flimmed or whatever but veganism and reduction in parry menopause symptoms no direct
• 1:00:11
  link whatsoever so I think a lot we can you know retrospectively refit things in our head
• 1:00:19
  and so that is honestly the biggest thing that I would say I think that people think that
• 1:00:21
  they're going to be healthier when they're vegan they're not if you it's very easy to be a healthy
• 1:00:25
  omnivore you know healthy vegetarian healthy vegan you're it's it's not a in my mind and the
• 1:00:31
  vegans listening to this will fucking hit me but like this is why we hit her she should be advocating
• 1:00:36
  for veganism but I'm not going to lie to people being truthful is actually more important to me
• 1:00:40
  than anything else if you want to try veganism if you want to try not eat animals if you want to
• 1:00:45
  try gum with like cheese if you like to make your life harder right if you you know if you're worried
• 1:00:49
  potentially about you know your protein intake being too high and a link between you know that
• 1:00:53
  and cancer give it a try you know like straight to shed see what happens but I think that the
• 1:00:59
  biggest myth is that something in your life will change if you are vegan and I but honestly believe
• 1:01:03
  that that myth is why a lot of people try veganism expecting something to change nothing changes
• 1:01:08
  and then they just go back to being an omnivore so I think they're disappointed that veganism didn't
• 1:01:13
  deliver some incredible health benefit that they were expecting right doesn't happen you don't
• 1:01:17
  sleep better you don't have better shiny your hair stronger nails and you know all these things are
• 1:01:21
  there are there none the okay so because if you look at the other diet really because if you look
• 1:01:26
  at like like even like a carnivore diet people say this is during autoimmune disease and I don't
• 1:01:33
  know I'm not a medical expert the only the only diet that I've tried that has like a significant
• 1:01:42
  benefit in my mind is for for what I do for living is keto because I find that I'm a little bit
• 1:01:48
  clearer a little bit less brain fog and you don't have these these I think that insulin is regulated
• 1:01:56
  a little bit better on a keto diet and if you're eating you know like candy for lunch I'm sure
• 1:02:01
  but I'm sure you could also regulate your insulin with a proper omnivore diet and and and
• 1:02:06
  diet with carbs included as well I think that what I found most diets actually end up doing
• 1:02:12
  efficiently that are sort of macro based and not lifestyle based I agree or it if it effectively
• 1:02:18
  just removes a macro out of your diet and it makes it very hard to overeat so if you even did like
• 1:02:25
  like a low fat like carb and protein diet good luck getting fat on eating rice and chicken all day
• 1:02:32
  like it's very very hard to get fat eating rice and chicken all day you're gonna lose your appetite
• 1:02:38
  and if you do keto you just remove another you remove carbs is a macro right so I think that
• 1:02:44
  I think that some people look for and I look for a two like in keto I convinced myself
• 1:02:51
  that I'm clearer and I'm less foggy you know what there's been days where I've had like a burger or
• 1:02:57
  just a you know like a regular meal like potatoes chicken steak full carbs and I feel great too
• 1:03:03
  so it's really it's really it's really hard to say that one diet is showing like significant more
• 1:03:09
  benefit than just heavy lifting calorie moderation great lifestyle going for walks like understanding
• 1:03:18
  you know how much you're eating versus how much you're expending every single day I think these
• 1:03:22
  are probably more important ideas than which diet you subscribe to but I was curious about yeah
• 1:03:28
  people are looking for a save they're looking for the thing that's like that's why people keep buying
• 1:03:34
  my fitness programs they think that this new program is going to be the one that's going to change
• 1:03:38
  them they don't realize that they have to change themselves most people are just too comfortable
• 1:03:42
  that's why they're fat and unsuccessful and unhappy because they're just they're actually just too
• 1:03:46
  comfortable and so people say to me all the time what's the best diet that I could eat and I say
• 1:03:51
  the one that works for you and they go oh and it's a very disappointing answer and then they say
• 1:03:55
  okay what's the best form of cardio the one that you'll do consistently they're like no what's
• 1:04:00
  the best one I'm like the best one oh my god the best one right okay the best one is the one
• 1:04:05
  that you enjoy the lead or the most out of all of the shitty options that you will show up and do
• 1:04:11
  every day if that's running great if that's walking great if that's swimming great if that's cycling
• 1:04:15
  great if that's fucking Zumba classes great the one that you will do consistently is the one that
• 1:04:20
  will get you results that's the best one and they're like oh and it's kind of liberating in a way
• 1:04:26
  but they're looking for you to say it's the stairmaster level six for 60 minutes at five a.m.
• 1:04:33
  and they're like fuck right do you know what they're gonna do if you say level six on the stairmaster
• 1:04:37
  for 60 minutes five a.m. they're gonna try it for one day and they're never gonna do it again
• 1:04:41
  so is it not better for them to go for a 20-minute walk with their dog consistently every single day
• 1:04:46
  so much better so you know it depends on what your goal is I always say to them if your goal
• 1:04:50
  is to lose body fat you want to add in some cardio whatever one you do consistently is the best
• 1:04:54
  form of cardio same with diet the one that you can stick to within your macros and calories that
• 1:04:59
  will help you lose body fat that's the best one that's why I don't get evangelical about veganism
• 1:05:03
  that's why I'm not here to preach veganism or tell people they should be a vegan or a vegetarian it
• 1:05:07
  works for me I've made it work for me it supports my values it supports my ethics it's you know
• 1:05:13
  but if that was to change Scott and I decided that I wanted to go back to eating meat I would go
• 1:05:17
  back to eating meat and I wouldn't give a shit what anyone says I genuinely wouldn't I would do
• 1:05:23
  I get one shot at this life one thing is for sure is we are all gonna die and when I die no one will
• 1:05:30
  fucking remember me apart from my kids and maybe my grandkids and then I'm gone so I am on this
• 1:05:35
  earth to do what makes me happy and what serves me the best because let me tell you one really
• 1:05:42
  really quick thing before we finish my husband the other week was listening to something he's
• 1:05:45
  lying about and I was putting on my makeup and I started hearing my voice on his phone and then I
• 1:05:50
  heard this other guy speaking this Australian guy my husband is Australian and I went what's that
• 1:05:54
  and he goes oh he goes somebody Australia sent me this some Australian guy has like taken one of
• 1:05:58
  your videos and has like made you know content about it like in a negative way and I went oh I said
• 1:06:03
  who is that and he said his name I said never heard of him I said does he have a lot of followers and
• 1:06:06
  he goes yeah he's like you know three million or something I went oh and I was putting on my makeup
• 1:06:10
  the guess and for a second I went do I care about this and I just paused for a second and I was
• 1:06:16
  like some guy in Australia with three million followers has taken one of my videos that I feel
• 1:06:19
  quite passionate about because I put a lot of work into my content and he's basically saying I'm
• 1:06:23
  talking shit and I had this epiphany moment where I realized that if I closed my phone if I deleted
• 1:06:31
  the Instagram app from my phone and never opened it ever again that video would disappear from me
• 1:06:37
  and from my life forever in fact people all over the world could be like the fucking
• 1:06:41
  president of the United States could be making videos about my content and I wouldn't know if I chose
• 1:06:47
  knocking over my glass if I chose this thing in my hand this phone if I chose to throw that away
• 1:06:53
  none of that would exist it only exists because we pay attention to it and I had a real epiphany
• 1:06:58
  that day when I was like what we pay attention to is what exists if we don't pay attention and we
• 1:07:04
  turn off the noise it ceases to exist it only exists because we have the apps and we have this
• 1:07:08
  digital thing in our hand and I chose that day to only focus I thought from now I'm only focusing
• 1:07:14
  on the things that serve me and it was the best decision I ever made because I stopped caring
• 1:07:17
  what people think and it gave me a level of freedom I'm like I'm a pretty like free person anyway
• 1:07:24
  but it literally elevated my level of freedom to to something that it had never been before because
• 1:07:29
  I just you know we have these epiphany moments where you realize things only exist because they're
• 1:07:33
  because I have them in my phone and I hope I'm not going what are the likes and what are the comments
• 1:07:36
  and what are the shares my cease to do that the content cease to exist and I can just live my life
• 1:07:41
  happy and I think it's a less there's a lesson in there for all of us because I think people
• 1:07:45
  care too much about what other people think so if I wanted to change from being vegan I would
• 1:07:49
  I wouldn't care and I wouldn't I would do it publicly I was going to say the lesson in there is that
• 1:07:55
  anybody who anybody who's trying to build a better life like build it for yourself understand what
• 1:08:00
  your own north star is and whatever diet you choose whatever whatever life you want to live
• 1:08:07
  whoever you want to be with whatever business you want to build whatever job you want to do it
• 1:08:11
  like do it for yourself don't do it because of Instagram and don't do it because of what you see
• 1:08:17
  other people doing and other people speaking about and other people championing on social media which
• 1:08:22
  is probably not even true or there's a they're not a hundred percent truthful with how good their
• 1:08:27
  life is anyways and I just wish that more people would just focus on their own north star and their
• 1:08:32
  own happiness and the goal of this show is podcast really is to give people all these different
• 1:08:39
  options and ideas and insights into what's working what's not worked for all these different people
• 1:08:43
  that they look up to but at the same time know that no one idea is a hundred percent correct and
• 1:08:49
  the best life is to take all these ideas to research them to understand them to apply some critical
• 1:08:54
  thought and then to figure out how this plays into your own life and your own goals and aspirations
• 1:08:59
  how does this serve me how does this serve me take take take what surgery or leave the rest that's
• 1:09:04
  what I always say I say take take what take what take what serves you and just leave the rest yeah
• 1:09:09
  I think that that's such an important idea and I think that it's for the for the average person
• 1:09:14
  scrolling through social it's becoming harder and harder for them not to become influenced and
• 1:09:19
  and I think I just this conversation keeps coming up it's like is a life you're living even your
• 1:09:25
  own life or is it your friend's life your parents life your boss's life your wife or your husband's
• 1:09:31
  life a lot of people if they took a good hard look deep down inside I don't think they're living
• 1:09:37
  their own life because they're so influenced by everything external and I think that it's sad
• 1:09:42
  and I think this why you get a lot of depression and anxiety and mental health issues and regret
• 1:09:47
  anyways so the goal is to just that's it I love this idea so much
• 1:09:51
  fuck them all Scott that's what I say fuck them all see if you need see if you need a slogan chem says
• 1:09:55
  fuck them all just be happy what are you focused on going forward I mean you've built this incredible
• 1:10:03
  incredible platform you do a lot of good for the world I know you're you're saying that tomorrow
• 1:10:08
  I could just eat a steak if I wanted to but in all seriousness you do motivate and you inspire a lot
• 1:10:13
  of people and you give them good you give them good education and data and science to back
• 1:10:20
  what works for you and what can hopefully work for other people well where do you want to take
• 1:10:25
  this in the future we actually are launching I'm actually branching out my company to become sculpted
• 1:10:31
  up until now I've been known as the sculpted vegan like me personally and I have to explain to
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  a lot of people now whenever they punish me which they do you know for launching programs that
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  aren't exclusively vegan they're like you know oh you know you should be doing this or I'm
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  disappointed in you and I'm like you have to understand the sculpted vegan is not a person it's
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  a company I know that you think it's me but it's actually it's an entity it's a business so
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  we have because I am not in menopause or in perimenopause should I say and it's been an absolute
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  roller coaster but I'm a real problem solver and I've been solving my problems and as I've been
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  solving them I've been educating other women how to solve them I've realized that there's a massive
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  massive gap in knowledge in women in perimenopause as to in the health and fitness industry because
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  they don't understand what is happening in their body and how it's creating insulin resistance to
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  send more energy to fat store to create more estrogen as their ovaries you know stop producing
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  estrogen and so once I realized this I began really educating women on how they can short circuit
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  the process and every menopause program we released made hundreds of thousands millions of dollars
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  like we released one in March it was a six month program we did like 1.3 million dollars and
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  like the first 10 days of launch so it's it's a it's an insanely hot topic right now we always
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  say menopause is the new veganism veganism is actually on the decline menopause is in the incline
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  so I'm always looking at the market as well as something I'm going through myself it's kind of
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  divine timing if you like so I we have divide we've actually developed an app called the sculpted
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  menopause so sculpted being the brand we have the sculpted vegan we've now developed an entirely
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  new app called the sculpted menopause I went to my I came to my team who are phenomenal
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  in December 2024 and I went guys we're going to build an app and they were like great now I have
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  an in-house outbuilding team and because we've been working on another project we're launching
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  next year or this year later in the year and I was like we're going to build an app and they were
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  like great what when when we're going to build when we're going to launch it I was like February and
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  they're like but it's December I'm like I know challenge accepted and they're like you're
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  fucking nuts I was like everybody come off everything you're working on we're going to build this
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  up we have built an app in eight weeks from scratch it has my fitness panel in it it has a macro
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  my fitness pal macro calculator it has full sets of meal plans from 1200 calories to 2200 calories
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  it has hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of macros and calorie and counted recipes it has
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  workouts at home follow a long workouts live workouts training programs three days four days five
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  days beginner intermediate advanced the complexity of what we have built and put it into a simple app
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  is fucking amazing and it is launching on Monday it's opening on Monday so that is our latest
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  venture that's what we're going into that's what the the market wants that's what our women want
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  they've been with me for years they're all perimenopausal now so this is the next stage of where
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  we're moving and then after that we're going to take the brand sculpted I mean the goal is to exit
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  the company Scott at some point so I'm building the brand sculpted we'll probably replicate this
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  at some point into the sculpted vegan and then the sculpted trainer which will be for you know
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  just the the woman who's not manopausal and then they'll be for the vegan and hopefully then
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  we will exit that company because I've been building another company called only fitness which is
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  a social marketplace for the fitness industry think and amalgamation of Instagram and only fans
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  for fitness and that is what only fitness is so it is we've been building it for three years
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  it's everything I use to run my business built into an app because people used to say to me how do I
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  do what you do and then I explained them what they had to do and they went away that's far too much
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  work I'm absolutely not doing that so I might how can I make this really really really easy for
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  people to do what I do run a business the way I run a but inside an app and that's what we built
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  in the app and it's taken three years but I need to get sculpted to where it needs to be before
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  we launch only fitness but I'm doing that I'm writing five high level competition horses for Ireland
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  as well as training in the gym as well as trying to you know have a relationship with my husband
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  who never sees me on my four children and run my company and occasionally I go to a yoga class
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  and sometimes I sleep yeah I have one last question because I think it's important because you
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  teased it and I want to I just want to give something to people that are listening that would be
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  interested in in in health and wellness and fitness as a woman going through menopause what are
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  just some things that a woman at that age in that part of their life should think about
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  um I think the first thing is that you should expect that your hormones are going to go on a roller
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  coaster simply because of what happens in the brain the the basically your it's not in your head
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  like all the stuff this is I think the problem with perimenopause is let me let me give you let me
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  tie something do you know that perimenopause the stage of perimenopause the 10 years before a woman
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  is menopausal is not taught in medicine it's not taught in gynecology it's not taught in obstetrics
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  it's not taught the perimenopause years are not taught in modern medicine when you become a doctor
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  or an obstetrician they do not teach you at perimenopause you learn about menopause which is after you
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  haven't had a menstrual period for a year you do not learn about about perimenopause but what
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  happens is the pituitary gland and hypothalamus basically are responsible for controlling your brain
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  and as your ovary starts to decline you're you have about two million eggs whenever you're you're
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  born and then they decline over the years and when at the time you're 40 you only have about two
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  percent of your eggs left and so your ovaries don't want to give up the eggs so where you would have
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  a normal cycle what starts to happen is the your pituitary gland recognizes your estrogen levels
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  are dropping so your hypothalamus goes okay great when they go hello right we need we need an egg
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  place so it signals and it goes egg please you know release an egg estrogen but your ovaries go
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  no no no we we have already hardly we hardly have any left and we're not giving them up
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  so they're like egg please hello and they start like getting you know extra overexcited and like
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  trying pumping out more hormones trying to get your egg to release your ovaries to release an egg
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  and finally your ovaries go okay goddamn you have one they spit one out but only after there has
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  been an enormous amount of fuel put behind your ovaries trying to produce an egg that's what
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  so where you had these lovely little bumps in your hormonal fluctuations I saw this video today
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  this guy he was like I miss pms he said my wife is in menopause I miss pms he's like this is
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  a whole different animal but it's because your hormones are fluctuating madly so first of all your
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  hormones are fluctuating madly it is a time of chaos it's not in your head secondly whenever you
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  hit parry menopause and your ovaries your ovary production starts to decline or you already
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  start to decline estrogen starts to decline your body tries to divert more energy to fat store to
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  create more estrogen fat's visceral fat around your stomach and fat around your thighs and your
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  buttocks is very estrogenic they produce a lot of estrogen so your body will actually try to
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  divert more energy when you eat two fat stores to create more estrogen so this it creates
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  insulin resistance in yourselves so this is why women put on body fat if they're not eating any
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  differently they're not exercising any differently but they start to put on a lot of body fat women
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  can't understand why this happens but it's a biological process that happens the only way to
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  short-circuit it is to change your diet ever so slightly which you can do eating more slow carbs
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  whole foods beans lentils legumes sweet potato that kind of stuff cut out the white starchy
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  carbs which cause an insulin spike the second way that you can circumvent it which I prefer
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  is to eat a macro and calorie kind of diet where you're actually counting your macros and calories
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  nothing is off the table but you keep the energy balance steady because you're obviously training
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  in the gym hopefully building muscle raising metabolism doing some kind of cardio just to keep
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  yourself you know fit and healthy but you're managing your calorie intake so even if you eat food
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  and there's ancient resistance in your muscles and more energy is diverted to fat store if the energy
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  being burned is greater or equal to the energy coming in through food your body will re-break
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  dying the fat cells into triglycerides transport them through the liver to the tissues for energy
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  so even if it is converted to fat because of the ancient resistance it will be converted back
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  into usable energy so that process doesn't matter but it's all about calorie control and that's
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  the only way that a woman in metapause can control her weight you have to start controlling your
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  calories and controlling what you eat you cannot eat what you always at and get the same results
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  it's impossible and expecting it to be any different is just living outside of reality
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  that's what I always teach women amazing and these are like listen I think that anybody listening
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  should start taking a calorie counting and their diets seriously ASAP but just know that there's
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  less leniency biologically less leniency in your diet so it's not in your head it's not in your
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  mind you're not you're not going crazy um it's a biological process this is it's a biological process
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  and the sooner you can get on board with how to diet how to work out how to eat food how to understand
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  macros and probably just for your health and well being understand micronutrients as well the
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  healthier will be the happier you'll be so that's a very important point okay um where can people
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  connect with you you have an app launching them I'm gonna try and get this out as quick as possible
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  you don't give me you gave me as much time as your dev team but that's besides the point so
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  so where can people go connect with you go download apps website social all that
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  anyone who wants to connect with me personally on FYI I have four and a half million
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  Instagram followers but I respond to every single DM that I get and people are like how do you
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  respond every DM I'm like I have my phone surgically attached to my hand and it's important to connect
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  with people so I am the sculpted vegan or Kim Constable on Instagram if you DM me I will absolutely
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  respond and just say I heard you on the scott clary podcast um and uh we will have like a little
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  virtual hug and if you want to check out either the sculpted vegan which isn't actually selling any
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  programs at the minute because we're diverting everyone to the sculpted menopause um if you are a
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  menopause and you do want to check out like a system that you know like we have women who lose 100
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  points of body fat in six months I'm not even getting a hundred points of body fat go to the website
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  and have a look at them using our method um sculpted menopause method is available on the sculpted
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  menopause.com and that is where you can find out more about the app but it gets yeah we're launching
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  on on Monday it's a pre-launch to our our email list and likewise I'll share this podcast like
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  like a quarter of a million on our mailing list currently so crazy you'll you'll get a good uh
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  you'll get a good amount of people listening as well so no that that's that's the best you
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  pays is to connect with me thank you for asking and letting me do a shameless plug always always
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  and we'll put in the show notes and everything like that um uh so people want to go connect they can
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  they can go download uh and I I always give opportunity for shameless plugs like you're giving your
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  time at least I can do is give like a shameless plug that's that's no problem at all. I've enjoyed
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  this conversation more than I ever could have like imagined it's been like so good thank you
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  I really enjoyed it thank you I did too no I really really I thought we were gonna go entirely
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  in a different direction and I didn't look at my notes once which is always a good signal for uh
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  that's a signal for a great podcast so I enjoyed it as well I listen I think we've been recording
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  now for almost almost two hours we could probably go like all day but like I'll we'll cut it here
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  and then when you're in Miami next time we'll do some more I'm gonna come I'm gonna come just
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  just to see you I'm gonna make it a big point deal you have to come see all your American friends
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  you have a whole bunch of people here that are that are waiting for you to come and hang out I do
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  I have the last question I always like to ask uh you've given over so much wisdom um
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  if you could only pass on it's kind of like the first question you can only you only give me one
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  thing with this so if you can only pass on one lesson to your kids after all your years of life
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  business success experience what would that one lesson be and why is it so important
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  one thing I've taught my kids from they were born and it's kind of my catchphrase that I also
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  teach everyone here in the office I always say to them your success in life will be measured by
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  the amount of difficult conversations you're willing to have the more you're willing to make
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  yourself uncomfortable the more you're willing to have those difficult conversations with people
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  the happier your life will be because nothing lingers with me no one ever has to worry about
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  how I feel am I mad am I anything people know because I tell them because if I have a problem with
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  you I will come directly to you and tell you I don't tell anyone else I tell you and we have
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  the difficult conversation and if you do that your life will transform have do it with your kids do
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  it with your husband do it with your wife do it with your mom have the difficult conversation
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  because your life will change exponentially if you train yourself to put yourself in those difficult
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  situations