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Mark Cuban _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _533(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: for the support. Today's guest is a business mogul. He's
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  Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. He's launched some of the biggest companies in
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  Speaker 1: the world and owned the Dallas Mavericks along the way,
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  Speaker 1: help leading them to great success. He just retired from
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  Speaker 1: his stint on Shark Tank, and I'm very grateful to
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  Speaker 1: get to spend time with him. Today's guest is Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Mark Cuban.
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  Speaker 3: Good to see.
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  Speaker 2: You today, Mark. Thanks for having me, Theo.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pleasure, man. Thank you so much. Really, really
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  Speaker 1: an honor.
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  Speaker 2: No, the honor's mine, man. You've been crushing it. Oh, thanks. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We've been really fortunate. We've been working really hard over
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  Speaker 1: the past two years, been working really hard. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and I think luck has kind of met us along
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  Speaker 1: the way, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take a look every time. Oh, hell yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Has luck come in? Does that come up to
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  Speaker 1: play in your business at your level? Or do you
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  Speaker 1: still think there's a level of luck to it? Or
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  Speaker 1: what do you, what do you kind of luck.
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  Speaker 2: Is about scale, right? You know, As an entrepreneur, I think, OK,
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  Speaker 2: I can start a business. I can make some money.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I could I can be OK.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But if you want to have a B next to
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  Speaker 2: your name, you've got to have a lot of motherfucking luck. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So in my case, I started the first streaming company. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Which would have been cool. But it happened right at
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  Speaker 2: the time the Internet stock market was blowing up. If
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  Speaker 2: the Internet stock market wasn't blowing up at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: you'd have no idea who I am.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you mean because of, so there was a level
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  Speaker 1: of luck to it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the first streaming company was.
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  Speaker 2: It's called AudioNet. We started in 1995 when nobody knew
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  Speaker 2: what streaming was, right? We called it internet broadcasting. And
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  Speaker 2: so we started out a second bedroom, my house, just
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  Speaker 2: a setup, just like this and bought myself a PC
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  Speaker 2: and connected it, found a local radio station that I
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  Speaker 2: could connect everything to, went online and I would go
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  Speaker 2: and just say, okay, if you want to listen to
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  Speaker 2: Dallas sports or news from anywhere in the world, come
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  Speaker 2: to this website, audionet.com. And it just blew up. And
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  Speaker 2: then we got a video and changed the name to broadcast.com.
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  Speaker 2: went public in 1998. It was the biggest IPO in
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  Speaker 2: the history of the stock market at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so that's how you started, and this is a
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  Speaker 1: loose term. I know you've done other things, but so
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  Speaker 1: that's how you started to make some money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when I crushed it.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's when the dot-coms, like if they had- Oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: it was it. Sandals.com sold for like 20 million.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was insane, right? It was insane. But
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  Speaker 2: we were legit. We were YouTube before YouTube, right? And
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  Speaker 2: so we were the biggest by far. It wasn't even close.
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  Speaker 2: And so, you know, we were the first to do basketball, football, baseball,
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  Speaker 2: you name it. First ones to stream anything, right? And
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  Speaker 2: then went public. Great. And then we sold to Yahoo.
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  Speaker 2: And then Yahoo fucked it up. But that's another story.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Yahoo bought a lot of things that they fucked up.
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  Speaker 1: Can we say that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can say that. Yeah. Because it's true.
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  Speaker 1: They made some poor choices. I was working at Yahoo.
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  Speaker 1: I was working over there doing interviews with folks. And
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  Speaker 1: they bought, what was the website they bought that for
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  Speaker 1: a crazy amount of money, It was blogs. People did
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  Speaker 1: blogs on it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, they've bought in a bunch, right? And
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  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they could not get it right for anything, man.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they bought us. They bought all these different
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  Speaker 2: companies that at the time were huge. Yeah, GeoCities. That's
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  Speaker 2: what it was. They bought that before us.
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  Speaker 1: GeoCities was one. But there was one that– what was
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  Speaker 1: the blog website that everybody used? It kind of had
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  Speaker 1: a basic template to it. Mash– no.
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  Speaker 2: Tumblr. Oh, Tumblr. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Tumblr was hot.
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  Speaker 2: Then it went porn, right?
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  Speaker 1: Did it go porn?
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad I got out. Yeah, it went porn for
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  Speaker 2: a little while. And then this dude I know, Matt,
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  Speaker 2: bought it, right? And so now he's just trying to
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  Speaker 2: make it work.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, trying to refinance it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that was a crazy buy that they had.
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  Speaker 1: I remember we were working there and we're like, you're
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  Speaker 1: buying a blog? Like, That just felt like you're headed
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  Speaker 1: to the past, kind of.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, you know, and now, then they were part
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  Speaker 2: of Verizon, then they got bought by Apollo. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what they're doing now. I mean, I still use
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  Speaker 2: Yahoo Finance, right? It's not like people don't use it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They just haven't been able to get ahead of the game. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They had some stake in Alibaba, too, that company.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where they made some money, right?
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  Speaker 1: I think that that really kept them... kind of like
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  Speaker 1: in the vibe kind of of, or just, yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: obviously helped their coffers, but yeah, they made some poor choices,
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  Speaker 1: I think. I mean, hell, they were paying me, so
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  Speaker 1: obviously they weren't.
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  Speaker 2: So they made one smart move, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When were you there?
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  Speaker 1: I was there like maybe 2010 or something, 2004.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm still close, 2000.
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  Speaker 1: So you were there like- 2014 or something I was.
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  Speaker 2: There, actually. Who was the CEO when you were there?
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember?
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  Speaker 1: It was a female CEO. Oh, they had just got
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  Speaker 1: her in, actually.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what the fuck was her name?
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  Speaker 1: She was cute, actually.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry to say that. I never got a close-up look
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  Speaker 2: at her. Oh, well, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But, yeah, I met her one time, and I wish
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  Speaker 1: I'd met her more than one time. That's all I remember.
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  Speaker 2: Marissa Meyer, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Marissa Meyer was great. But they had another lady, too,
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  Speaker 1: that worked kind of over us in the video department.
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  Speaker 1: All this Diddy stuff going on, man.
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  Speaker 2: What do you– I'm sure glad that I didn't hang
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  Speaker 2: out with him, right?
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  Speaker 1: You never were in his universe.
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  Speaker 2: I met him, right, but never went out, right? And actually,
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  Speaker 2: back in 2003, he reached out to me, to the Mavs,
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  Speaker 2: and wanted to design a uniform for us. And I
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  Speaker 2: never met him. We did it all via email. And
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  Speaker 2: so he had some of his designers get in touch
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  Speaker 2: with me and they put together some, and it was
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  Speaker 2: a cool looking uniform, right? Yeah. We used it for
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years, but that was the extent of
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  Speaker 2: my connection to Diddy. I never hung out or did anything.
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  Speaker 2: And I hung out enough in LA, but I never
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  Speaker 2: really heard stories about the parties or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: That wasn't my scene.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of, yeah, I would just hear stuff sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: like I would hear certain things, but it was never
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  Speaker 1: anything like, oh, this is exactly what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, and you would think somebody would say something.
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  Speaker 2: How do you keep that quiet for so long, you know?
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  Speaker 2: All those videos, it's not like people didn't like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't care if you take people's phones, right? Someone's sneaking
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  Speaker 2: in a phone and shit like that's happening.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing that if they say all the things
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  Speaker 1: are true, that he was able to just do that
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  Speaker 1: for so long, you know? What is a level like,
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  Speaker 1: is it scary when, people get to a level of
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  Speaker 1: wealth that they can kind of have anything like, what
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  Speaker 1: is some of that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't look at it that way. Right. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying you do. No, no. I hear it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just curious about it. Like what, what are the options?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like if you're rich as fuck, what can you do
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  Speaker 2: and get away with? Right. Um, I don't hang out
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  Speaker 2: with people like that, right? I always looked at it that, like,
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  Speaker 2: my high school buddies are still my high school buddies, right?
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  Speaker 2: The guys, you know, my rugby teammates in Indiana, my
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  Speaker 2: Indiana buddies, those are my friends. The guys, I lived
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  Speaker 2: six guys in a three-bedroom apartment when I moved to Dallas.
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  Speaker 2: Those are my friends, right? So it's not like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting the butlers, I'm getting the chauffeur, and... Look
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  Speaker 2: at me, right? And I came by myself. I don't
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  Speaker 2: give a shit about that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you seem, yeah. Yeah, I was kind of wondering.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, how will he show up? Will a
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  Speaker 1: stork drop him off?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like, how's he gonna?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that doesn't mean it hasn't crossed my mind, right?
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  Speaker 2: It's just like, you have to be, in order to
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  Speaker 2: do shit like Diddy or anybody like that, you have
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  Speaker 2: to be so paranoid.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You have to try to think of every base to cover. Right. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, now part of me wishes I'd done because
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  Speaker 2: there's too many pictures of me out drunk with my
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  Speaker 2: friends and shit like that. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I just I just don't like to live paranoid. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I just I mean, I love having a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: It's a whole lot better to be rich than it
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  Speaker 2: is to be broke. But I was happy when I
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  Speaker 2: was poor. I just was happier when I was rich.
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  Speaker 2: And so I don't get that whole thing of, you know.
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  Speaker 2: like just be protective and like play the rich game.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That's just not my, my style. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of it. I think play the rich game. Like,
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  Speaker 1: but do you, like, do you see people like, do
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  Speaker 1: you ever like, cause that's the thing, like people get
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  Speaker 1: so much money and then they get power too, or
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  Speaker 1: some of them get one or the other, maybe both.
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  Speaker 1: But then like, how does that infect people? Do you
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  Speaker 1: see that that could, that, that infects some people? Like
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  Speaker 1: have you ever witnessed it? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. Right. So like, People who think because
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  Speaker 2: they're rich, they're smarter, right? That they have more privilege, right?
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  Speaker 2: They can get away with whatever they want. Yeah, particularly
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  Speaker 2: in business, right? So if you talk to somebody that
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  Speaker 2: may be richer than me, right? Who will say shit
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  Speaker 2: that's just crazy, right? And think, okay, because I said it.
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  Speaker 2: That's what's up, right? That's, it's right, right? Or more
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  Speaker 2: likely though, in my experiences, like I'll get invited to
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  Speaker 2: these parties, right? That are really nice house and stuff, right?
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  Speaker 2: But there'll be like, 50 servants, right? Five people to
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  Speaker 2: answer the door. Six people that just specialize in toast, right?
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  Speaker 2: Just ridiculous shit, right? And all over, I'm like, how
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  Speaker 2: do you live like this? You know, because it's bad enough. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I have too big a house. And so you have
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  Speaker 2: to have people there to clean it and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: And there's no privacy just with that. And there's people
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  Speaker 2: that'll have like 10 people in the house at all times. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't see how they live.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So for some people, maybe it's like showing off to me.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like, why would you live that way? Right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy to have all this money because I can
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  Speaker 2: live the way I want. as opposed to live the
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  Speaker 2: way somebody thinks I should. And I just get the sense,
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  Speaker 2: to your point, that some people get to that level
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, this is what I'm supposed to do, right?
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  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to have this type of car. I'm supposed
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  Speaker 2: to have this many people working for me at the house.
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  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to have this type of course, you know,
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  Speaker 2: China or whatever. Gold toilets. Yeah, whatever that is, right?
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  Speaker 2: But I am going to say one of the things
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  Speaker 2: I got, I got a heated toilet seat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Best thing ever.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: You never had one?
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  Speaker 1: Mm-mm. Dude, I remember when I first got a clean
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  Speaker 1: lady to come once a week, I helped her like
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  Speaker 1: the first month.
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  Speaker 2: I felt horrible. You've got to get a heated toilet seat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want my butt to get used to
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  Speaker 1: too many fancy things.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, right?
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  Speaker 1: That's the one, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I can almost imagine it. Because I go from,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when you travel, right, you leave home and
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  Speaker 2: you're comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And where I'm staying now, right, no heated toilet seat.
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  Speaker 2: First thing I notice, you sit down in the morning
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  Speaker 2: and you're like, You're like, this could be better. It
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  Speaker 2: could be better. Right. I'm paying all this for this
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  Speaker 2: room and my butt's cold. Oh dude.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the first night I stayed in a hotel
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  Speaker 1: room and it was like $ 600 or something. And I
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  Speaker 1: was afraid to even go to sleep. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: if I sleep, I'm wasting like $ 240 dude. Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: So I just kept staying up as much as I could. It's,
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  Speaker 1: I still spent a little money, uh, wasted some of
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  Speaker 1: the money sleeping, but it was nice over there. Um, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just I think it's interesting when people get to
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  Speaker 1: love like you would see it sometimes with the Romans
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  Speaker 1: or something or you would see but you would hear
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  Speaker 1: about it with the Romans where like they got to
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  Speaker 1: levels of wealth and power that they started that it
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  Speaker 1: veers into like a lot of sexual like. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if proclivities is the word.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a word? Yeah, like what was it? What
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  Speaker 2: does that mean, proclivities? Yeah, no, you got it, right?
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  Speaker 2: So like Caligula, right? I saw the movie Caligula. Was Caligula? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was the movie where there was- Oh, that's what
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  Speaker 2: it was? Yeah, with all the sex and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I hadn't seen that.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody was your concubine, right? Yes. Male, women, doesn't matter, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody was just fucking everything because they could. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think that's something that's- Yeah, my wife's not going for
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  Speaker 2: that shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There weren't a lot of, yeah. Once
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  Speaker 1: you put a wife in there, things change.
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  Speaker 2: It's over, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Proclivities, a tendency to choose or do something regularly. A
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  Speaker 1: tendency to choose or do something regularly. An inclination of
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  Speaker 1: predisposition towards a particular thing. So, oh, so it might
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  Speaker 1: activate proclivities in you for something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, like with the Romans, yeah, their proclivities were
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  Speaker 2: to fuck around and have fun, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it would turn, I think, but a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people, they do so much like straight activity, then
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  Speaker 1: it gets into gay or, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: No. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know what I'm saying either, but I
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  Speaker 1: think that's something I wonder. That's just what I'm asking,
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  Speaker 1: I guess. Do you like, I wonder if that's something
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  Speaker 1: that happens when people get so much money and power
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  Speaker 1: that they're just their band or their, what they just wanted.
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  Speaker 1: They've already had as much of like, I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: it starts to build on itself.
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  Speaker 2: Like, what can I do next, right? What can I
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  Speaker 2: do to, what can I get? Yes. Right? What can
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  Speaker 2: I get? What else is possible? Yeah, like, not so
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  Speaker 2: much with sex, right? Because you're going to get fucked
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  Speaker 2: over by somebody at some point, right?
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  Speaker 1: Well, can you imagine having to keep all of the, like,
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  Speaker 1: trying to just, even if you ever, like, sent a,
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  Speaker 1: like I've been in a real, I've cheated in relationships.
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  Speaker 1: That's hard enough. You know, just knowing like what's next.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Or just knowing like, I have to make sure we
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  Speaker 1: never go in this area. Or what if this girl,
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  Speaker 1: like that one thing alone, I can't imagine the level
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  Speaker 1: of like paranoia.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You just, I mean, is it worth it? But
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm not going to say that forget
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  Speaker 2: not sex necessarily, but just like going out and trying
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  Speaker 2: new things. Right. Like I bought a plane. Right. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: because it's like, that to me was the coolest thing
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  Speaker 2: after toilet seats. Right. To like, Being able to just
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  Speaker 2: pop on a plane, right? Oh, that's a dream. Oh,
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: when I sold my first company, I bought a lifetime
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: pass on American Airlines. So literally, I was 29 years old.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I had this card where I
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: could just go to any airport that had American Airlines
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: just show up, me and somebody else. And wherever they
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: were flying, they had to put me on a plane. Really?
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: It was insane. Yeah. So if that's like proclivities to
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: go try different stuff.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: That's your version.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's me, right? Because look, I mean, I'm the
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: luckiest motherfucker in the world and I don't want to
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: let it pass, right? You know, I want to take
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: advantage of the time I got. But more now, it's
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: more family, right? As I've gotten older, my kids have
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: gotten older. It's more like my kids are 15, 18,
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: and 21. And so it's like, let's spend more time
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: with them because that's the most valuable thing to me.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: But when I was younger, before I got married, it
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: was like, let's go, go, go, go, go, right? Travel, party.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: Let's see who could throw the biggest parties, right? Who
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: can buy the biggest bottle of champagne? You know, just
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: rent a club. Who can run up the biggest bill, right? Yeah,
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I was doing that shit. Yeah.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I think that's what I think some
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: people like if you get so– like some people get
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: so powerful or like there's a lot of gay folks
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: out there. I think that they only veer into that
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: or change– get into different sexual like things that are
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: outside of what would be normal for them maybe. that
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: because they get so much power, you know? Like the
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Romans did it. Like, you know, they say that they
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: did it. Or there's people like financial gays, power gays.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: There's like... I haven't heard that before. Oh, really?
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: No, financial gays and power gays.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. There's people that get so rich they can
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: afford to just be gay for fun.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Just fuck anything they want.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: Or like blind gays. There's even.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: People that are blind, they don't care as much if
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: gay or straight leaves their.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: I have one guy walk up to me sometimes. He goes,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I want to suck your dick. This is years ago.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: I go, no. He goes, look, let me just tell
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: you something. I'm like, what? He goes, you close your eyes,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: it all feels the same. This is an 80s thing, right?
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Oh, dude, I'm not gay, but I'll
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: hold it in my mouth until a gay guy gets there.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: That's something that you would hear sometimes at church. But no,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: but I have friends that are blind and they've told
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: me that they lose their sense of like some of
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: their sense of straightness dissolves.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: No, I can see that, right? It's not as important. Yeah,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: because you can't see one way or the other.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: And so I think there's a level of, which is
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: kind of fascinating to me that there's different things that
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: there's people that are gay and people that are bi
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: and people that that's their, that's who they are. But
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: then there's some people that.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I got a question for you. Yeah. I listened
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: to your President Trump interview. Yeah. Why don't you talk
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: about this shit with him?
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think, I think it was hard to
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: talk about with him.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Or Bernie Sanders. I could have, yeah, the Romans were gay, right?
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't know.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I was just, because I probably should have asked
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: him if people get so powerful, do they then, yeah,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: just because at that point, anything's an option, you know?
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I think there's things that lead
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: people like.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Like if you want to push limits, right? Right, pushing limits.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: If you think money can buy you anything, right? And
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: you want to push the limits and think, okay, I
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: got money that gives me power so I can do
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: whatever I want. That's just going to backfire so hard
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: because if you're not like real, the people that you're
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: messing with, they ain't going to be real either. It's
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: just going to be a disaster.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about with the Diddy thing.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I think it's just like at a level of that
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: you can have anything that you get this power from.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: It's just kind of, I mean, it's sad and it's
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: scary to see, you know. I think that's some of
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: the craziest thing.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of wonder, like, when did it click?
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: When did it, like, fall over the cliff, right? When
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: it went from, okay, let's hang and have some fun.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Have a good party to when it started getting weird. Yeah,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: like I'm taking videos of everybody and this and that.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Do you think there will be other people that will
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: come out about this? Or do you think a lot
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: of that's, like, internet mythology?
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I really don't. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, sorry.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: It's just like something that's been on kind of the
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: topic of news.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. No, it's an interesting subject, right? Yeah.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Cause you wonder like, and I wonder, cause I mean,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I've met.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: The guy and I've seen him one time too, but
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: it's just like, how does he get that far?
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know?
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: And, and, And that kind of stuff's addictive too, though.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Once you do one crazy thing, then that becomes the norm.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Especially if you're trying to up yourself, right? You know, because,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've gone out drinking. I've gone out drinking
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: with buddies, right? Oh, have another shot, right? Have another,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: have another, have another. And that's what guys do, right?
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: But if it goes to the wrong direction, it could
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: backfire like it has.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And the paranoia of having to keep every... Oh, that
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: would be a nightmare, man. I feel lucky I'm not
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: living that way.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but, you know, to me, like the telltale sign
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: is you fucking hurt people. Right. He hit women. Right.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: He dragged that one lady down the hall. And that
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: tells you he was fucked up somewhere. Right. I mean,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: it's one thing to want to party. Right. It's another
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: thing like, OK, I'm throwing a big party.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: But it's a whole nother thing to physically abuse people.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: That's just like, yeah, that's shit. Yeah.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: It's like, how do you not have your own awareness
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: at that point? But then I think things get, you know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: when you get power and you get that much ability.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: your own sense of self can probably get skewed pretty easy.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Something's fucked up, obviously.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, what are some of the side effects
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: of being that people don't see of being very wealthy? Like,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: are there some negative things about it? I mean, sorry,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: it's hard to even.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Nothing that I can tell, right? You look so happy.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: It's hard for me to even. No, I mean, the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: side effects, people sue you.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Cause you're the deep pockets.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: That's a good point, man. I'm friends with John Leotow,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Jimmy John. He had the Jimmy John's sandwich company. Yeah.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And he said he– one of the reasons that he
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: sold the company was because he spent most of his
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: time thinning off lawsuits and he wasn't even able to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: be like– Yeah.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I mean like I've been sued five times my whole life, right?
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And four of them were because someone's just trying to
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: get money.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: That's it. You know, and they'll like name multiple people
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: in the lawsuits and they'll let the other people off
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: the hook, right? They won't let me off the hook
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: because I'm the deep pockets. Ugh.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of a bummer. Then I bet you
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: have to be a little bit more cautious about things then.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: So that's one thing. So one thing people don't realize,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: you probably have to be extremely cautious.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then for your kids, right? Because it's not
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: their life, right? There's just. you know, they inherited us, right?
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: And I mean, it's not necessarily bad, but it's not
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: necessarily easy either, right? To, you know, have somebody who's,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: you know, well-known as your dad, to have everybody know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: you may not be rich yet, but you're going to be, right? Oh,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: that's true, right. You know? And so I know that
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: puts a lot of pressure on my kids. And so
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: we have conversations. Yeah, yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: But at least you're able to communicate with them about
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: that and have them just be cognizant.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: You know, like I told all my kids, it's like, look,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: you fuck up, If your friends fuck up, your friends
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: just fucked up and their parents get mad. You fuck up,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: it's on the front page of the paper because you're
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: my kid. So you've got to be a little bit
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: extra careful.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Is it hard to be like, you know, you're a
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: celebrity and, you know, and you may not think of
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: yourself in that way, or maybe you do, I don't know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: but no matter what, you're a recognizable person. Was it
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: ever weird with your kids where you felt like my
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: kids are never going to feel like I'm theirs because
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I'm so Because I'm also in a way belong to
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: other people.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All the time, man. That's all the time. Cause
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: there's times like my son told me the other day,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I'll go out and get no dad.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: When you're there, everything changes. I just wanted to be normal. Yeah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Which breaks my heart. Right. Yeah. I can imagine.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: But I understand too.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I understand. Right. Um, and it happens with all my kids,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you know, where it's just like, there's a time for
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: dad to be there. And there's a time we don't
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: want dad there. Not because we don't want dad there
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: just because of the attention he's going to pull.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's another side effect of some things that
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: people don't see. Yeah, I'm just curious about it. We
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: were trying to get this therapist who works mostly with
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: really wealthy people on to learn more about that. Because
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: when I was growing up, I always looked at wealthy
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: people like, fuck them, let's bomb them. Let's bomb them?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: We didn't have any bombs. We didn't have any bombs, but.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: We was- Let's bomb them, okay.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Look, we had to have a plan, okay? Oh my God.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: We had no strategy, but we just, we did, we
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: just keep playing video games.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the back of your mind, you're playing GTA, right?
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: But we had like, yeah, but it almost gave you
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: an enemy when you were growing up poor. It gave
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: you this like, Not an enemy, but it gave you
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: like a, it kind of.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Was an enemy. No, I can relate, right? It's not
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: like my family had anything, right? My dad did upholstery
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: on cars. Neither one went to college, et cetera. But no,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I remember vividly like not knowing how I was going
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: to be able to pay for school because I had
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: to pay for my own school. And listening on the radio,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: it sounds so crazy. Listening on the radio about how
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: these prisoners were going to get all the college education
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: they needed, right? And I called into the radio station.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm 16. I don't have any idea how
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to pay for college. And they're paying for prisoners?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: That's just wrong.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, so now I've got to commit a crime.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right? To go, yeah, put me in jail, right?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: That's a whole other conversation.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: What is something that you admire about each one of
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: your children?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's so much. Is there? There's so much. Yeah,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: they're different too, right? But as they've gotten older and
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: becoming real people now and teenagers– They're smart. They're caring.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: They're funny. They're ambitious in their own way for different things.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: You know, the hard part about raising three teenagers is
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: that they do all they can to ignore us, you know?
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's a good point, huh?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just like, I mean, our family's no different than,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: you know, any other parents raising three teenagers, basically, right?
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Because those kids want to have their own identity. They
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: want to become themselves and find out who they are. And,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: you know, we're trying not to be those hover parents, right,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: that are just like, and give him some freedom. I'm like,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'll go. No, your curfew is this, you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: to hold my time. He goes, he texts me back.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Let me breathe, dad. Let me breathe. I'm dying. Right.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Like he's George Floyd or something. You know, no,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: not that bad. Right. But just like, you know, kids talk. Right. Right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Let me breathe. Yeah. Cause I always give
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: him talk. You give him shit about like gen alpha, like, um, um, vernacular, right? Oh, yeah.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Slide, twin.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: You don't even know what's going on. Sigma, high, right, sauce, mid.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they sound like Peyton Manning trying to make audibles
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: at the line.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right. Omaha, Omaha, right? Sigma, Sigma. Sigma.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: It really is funny. I'll text my nephew and I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: don't even know what he's saying at the time.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's funny as hell, man. And I'll start trying
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: to talk that way just to fuck with him. Right.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And he's like, shut up, dad. Or he just hangs
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: up on me.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: You try to lean into that. Is there anything that
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: you had before you were wealthy that you wish you
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: could have back?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Privacy. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I got none. Yeah. I mean,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: you know now too, right?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's times like yesterday I was driving somewhere and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get out and walk. It's like a
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: cool street in town. And I was like, man, I
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: know if I get out and walk, it'll be fine.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: But I just know that I will meet a bunch
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: of people. And then it's like it'll start to make
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: me nervous or uncomfortable a little.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Because you don't know where it goes. Yeah.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, sometimes stuff like that, I guess
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was walking in Nashville yesterday. Isn't that
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: a song, right? Walking in Memphis. Thank God. Yeah. Nashville's better.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I think so, too. Memphis is good. But it's all right.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Nashville's better. But I was just walking down the street,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: and I'm hearing, and it was dark, right? And I'm here, Cuban, Cuban.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I just keep on walking, right? It's just like no
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: privacy whatsoever. Yeah. But, you know, it could be worse.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I'm not complaining. I'm
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: just curious if they're like, what's one of the biggest things?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Let me think about where we're at right now. So
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: we've talked about some of how you got started.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I'm having fun. This is not like any other interview
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I've done. So I'm loving it. No, man. Cause you're
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: like all over shit, whatever's, you know, stream of consciousness,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: which is cool. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: And this is a conversation too. And I think I
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: like that about you. You make this feel like a conversation.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. No.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: How do you know like a good business idea when
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: you hear it now? And has that refined over the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: years from what you used to think might've been a
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: good business?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean like when you're just getting started, sometimes
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: what you don't know is good, right? Cause it doesn't
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: hold you back. So now, because I've been doing it,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I've started so many businesses, invested in so many. Like,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I know what not to do, but that sometimes keeps
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: me from investing in people who probably have the biggest upside, right? Because,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: you know, when I was getting started, I didn't know fuck, right?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: So it was just like, you just got the run-through-walls
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: type attitude, right? Founder mode. And now, like, investing, I
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: kind of look for that, but I'm more— conservative in
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: how I invest, right? Because my next dollar isn't going
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to change my life. And so it's more like, okay,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: just competition. Can I get it right? Or can I
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: help these people? Or can I help them grow this company?
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Like Shark Tank, right? It's just like, not all those
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: companies are going to be big, but if I can
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: help them reach their personal goals, that's a win.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: When it comes to Shark Tank, are you going to
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: miss doing it?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll miss it some, right? But Again, it goes
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: back to my kids. Like we shoot two weeks in June,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: two weeks in September, just finished, right? My last run.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: And that's right when my kids are getting out of school, right?
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: And right when they're going back to school and their birthdays, right? Yeah.
• 27:27
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• 27:29
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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• 27:59
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• 28:01
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• 28:04
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• 28:07
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• 28:14
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• 28:17
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• 28:19
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• 28:23
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• 28:26
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• 28:34
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• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Well, what made you decide to get into the podcasting role?
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I went on Joe Rogan. Well, I had done some
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: podcasting and one day I went on Joe Rogan's show
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  Speaker 1: And that became the studio. So then I have to
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  Speaker 1: eat in the living room and stuff, but it was
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: still like, that's cool. Yeah, it was cool. And then, yeah,
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• 32:40
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• 32:41
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  Speaker 2: And so, but then there's a business to it, right? So, oh,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: well then the business, how did you deal with it? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How'd you deal with the business side?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Right? Well, one, one day a guy who sold pizzas, um,
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  Speaker 1: in Santa Monica, My friend Thomas, he, um, he said, he,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: he emailed me. He wasn't a friend at the time.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: He emailed me and he said, Hey man, I want
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: to start just a cold email.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to, that's cool.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I want to give you like $ 500 a month for
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: advertisement and you need to get a studio. And I
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: was like, well, I want to keep that 500 bucks.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see that. Yeah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: But then he's like, no, you don't see it. He said,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: if you can do this next step and use that
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: 500 bucks to get your studio, you then you're, it's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: going to do better. And that was something that's really
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: been a blessing because I don't, my mindset was just different.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: You know, I had more of a scarcity mindset.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Because you needed the $ 500, right? As opposed to growing
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the business. I'd rather have it in my bank account
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: for some sense of safety.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, then use it as an investment.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, and use it as an investment. And then once
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: we did the first studio and then that kind of
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: evolved from there.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: And you just kept on growing it on your own
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: or did you bring in people to do the sales?
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had an advertising company that stole from us
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: for two years. That was horrible, yeah. We lost like,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, we probably had over two years, I don't
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: even know. It was at least 400 grand that got taken.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I know. But you learn a fucking lesson that way,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: don't you? Yeah, I learned. So, you know, we're similar, right?
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: So how did the pizza dude get your email?
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Oh, because we would put a contact
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: number in case somebody wanted to reach out about something
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: from the show.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, you did? Because I've done a bunch of deals
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: from people just cold emailing me. Yeah. Like I did.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I gave this company, this dude's out of Dallas. Tim
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Ellis and his buddies, they said they wanted to start
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: a space company. I'm like, I don't know shit about space,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: but I'll get you started and see what happens, right?
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Now it's called Relativity Space. I still never met him, right?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: It was all email. Never met him. Now I've invested
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: a few million. They're worth $ 4 billion. No way. Yeah,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Relativity Space.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And they're space guys?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys. Yeah, that's Tim, right?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I'm an ex-Blue Origin intern, got a $ 500 check from
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Mark Cuban to build a major SpaceX rival. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Coming for you, Elon. Oh, I know. So what their
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: deal is, they build rockets using 3D printers. So you just.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really cool, right? And to their credit, right?
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: It's not like I helped them get there.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Guys were just insanely smart and good, right? Yeah. So
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I got lucky, you know?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Right, like helping them have some capital.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just got them started, right? Like Tim the
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Pizza Guy did for you, right? Or Tom the Pizza Guy, right?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Thomas.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so, like, sometimes just making yourself available opens
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of doors. Yeah.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: And... It's helped me a ton. Yeah.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Who were your mentors? And then how do you differentiate
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: between listening to mentors and trusting your instincts kind of?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I never had a mentor. Really? Not a mentor guy
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: at all. I always wanted to try to figure it
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: out myself. I've always been like super curious, like just
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: somebody who loves to learn.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: And so, I mean... When I was getting into computers,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I was reading the stupid computer manuals, right? Software manuals, hardware.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I would sit there and read that shit, right? And
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: then I would try it and try it and learn
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: and learn and learn. And then once you get started,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you realize whether it's business, software, whatever, once you get
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: that base, it's like learning the podcasting business, right? Once
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: you get that base of the basics you're supposed to do,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: coming up with new shit isn't that hard, right? It's
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: just about your creativity. And so I was always just,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to learn it myself. Learn it myself. Never
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: had a mentor. And then people are like, will you
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: be my mentor? I'm like, I'm still going, right? I
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: don't have time to be someone else's mentor. Maybe that's
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: not fair, but.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: No, but not if you're still going, you know, I mean,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: right now you're mentoring your family. You've already said that
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: you choosing to take that extra time.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: That's more important.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: It is, especially now.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: If I can get them to listen.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, dude, how your own kids will have Mark
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Cuban in the kitchen.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: It's insane. And they're like, let me breathe, Mark. I'd
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: be like, you want me to help you with this
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: business idea or, you know, your project at school? No, no, no.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: One of my daughters, I'm not going to say which one,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: just like rips on me, too. You don't know anything
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: about business, Dad. I'm like, okay.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: It's crazy that no matter who you are, you're still
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: just Dad.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: You're just Dad. Which, you know, the best word in
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: the entire English language, Dad. Yeah. Right? When your kids
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: just say, hey, Dad, that like makes me melt. Does
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: it really? Oh, my God. It's the best thing ever, ever, ever, ever.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: One of the best parts about having kids, right? Just
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: they're yours, right? Yeah.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Was your, you and your dad had a pretty
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: good relationship?
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we did. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: funny because my dad was like, I don't know what
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the fuck you're doing, but keep on doing it. And
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I remember the time I told him that I had $ 100, 000
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: in the bank and he never made more than 40
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: grand in his life. And he just started crying. Wow.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: And just taking him places and then tell him, him
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: and my mom, they can just go wherever they want,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: whenever they want and do whatever. Cool, huh? Yeah. I mean, yeah.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Made you feel good? Oh, yeah. Fuck yeah, right? I mean,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: all they did with my dad, up 6 o'clock every
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: morning at work at 7 a.m., come home at 6.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Hard worker. Oh, fuck yeah. Lost an eye in an accident. So, like,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: if you had a— Damn, one-eyed worker. One-eyed worker, right? Goddamn, dude. So,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: already— Behind the eight ball, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, you
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: do upholstery in cars. Behind the eyeball. Right, yeah. Oh,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: it was so gross, right? So, he was like, when
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: the first time— Dude, my.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Dad lost a finger, dude.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Did he really?
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just remember that.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: You just remember that? Yeah, yeah.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it made us scared.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Yeah, that's my dad.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And is this when he had both eyes or one eye?
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Well, no, he had one eye, right? This is when
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: he had one eye. He lost it when I was
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: like 11. And you can see they're not quite the same, right?
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And so he had a glass eye and he used
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: to freak out my friends. He'd take out the glass
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: eye and it would be like, literally look like apricot
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: jelly behind there.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: It was so disgusting. That's wicked, bro. Dude, that's so cool.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: yeah my dad yeah i don't know what he was
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: missing a thing oh so oh somebody slammed the door
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: on it i guess when he was a child oh
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: that's so how'd your dad lose it anyway cool no it.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Wasn't cool at all he um they did upholstery on
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: car seats and cars and he was putting a staple
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: gun right where you staple down the upholstery and the
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: staple broke and he didn't have glasses on hit him
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: in the eye yeah it was not wow yeah yeah
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and it was tough um yeah but he's a.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Fighter That's wild. Is your father still alive?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: No, both my parents died a few years ago. Oh,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Was it, um, was it tough to have so much
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: control and power? Like, you know, you have ability to
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: affect a lot of things. Was that a tough thing
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to manage? Like when your parents passed away?
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I'm not sure it's for anybody. Yeah.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, my dad was 92 and my mom was 85.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: So I had good runs. Right. But, um, yeah, it's
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: still tough.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: And, you know, you expect it because my dad had
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: struggled for a while. My mom got cancer. Um, and she,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: My mom's so insane, right? Like, we'll get you treatment, right?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: We'll do this. We'll do that, right? She goes, I
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: just want some pot gummies. That's all. she wanted. She goes,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: you know, just give me the gummies. All I care
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: about is the gummies. And my brother, Jeff would have
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: to go find gummies in Pittsburgh, right? It was hysterical.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Come on, mom. We can help you. I don't care.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, you can find some over in Shidley Park.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Right. Shidley Park. How do you know Pittsburgh?
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, I got pink eye over there. The first
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: time I ever had pink eye, I got it in Pittsburgh.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: You get pit guy a lot?
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: No, only had it probably three times, dude.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: That's a lot, though.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: But somebody in Pittsburgh said, I'll never forget this. Oh,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: you got some downtime in your uptime.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Dime time, right? Yeah. You go downtime, hang out the
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: south side.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: They said, you got some downtime in your uptime. And
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's pit guy, dude.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Pittsburgh accents are the worst. Oh, they're the worst
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: and the best, dude.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: You see like some lady like just wearing a frickin'
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Jerry Olshansky jersey or something.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: It's just the... No, the best is when you see
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: some really hot... I obviously don't have a Pittsburgh accent, right?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: And you see a really, really hot girl in Pittsburgh
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: and she'd be like, yeah, you going downtown to hang
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: out in Southside? I'm like... What's your car?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Pittsburgh. There's no place like Pittsburgh. I
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: love it, right? It's gotten a lot better from when
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I was a kid.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: It's one of the best places... There's that movie, what's
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that movie where there's a big wedding in the beginning
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: of it? Is that Deer Hunter or no? Yeah, Deer
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Hunter was filmed in Pittsburgh. Yeah, and it's all filmed
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: right there. Pittsburgh, if it didn't, and with the landscape,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: it's one of the more beautiful cities. It doesn't get
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: enough credit because the winters are pretty harsh, I think.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Brutal, brutal, right? But you go to Mount Washington and
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: you go to Lamont Restaurant. Yeah, and you just see
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: it like just driving through the tunnels and you see Um,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: you see point park and you see the three rivers.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: It's beautiful. And they've cleaned it up a lot since
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I was a kid. It is really a vibrant town. Um,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I love it there. It's a tech town. Yeah. I
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: love it.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: My friend used to work at Jack's bar on the
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: South side. Another friend of mine was a mascot over there.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: A mascot. Yeah.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I think he was a Pittsburgh pirate for a while.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: That's cool. That's cool. I used to work as a bartender.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: WDVE. Is that the station there? No.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: What is it? WDVE. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny as hell. Yeah. Yeah, man.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I really have a, I love that place. It's good people.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: You worked where there, you said?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I worked at a bar called Chance's R in Oakland.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: And that was my summer job when I was in college.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And Oakland is kind of the downtown area?
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: No, Oakland is where the University of Pittsburgh is.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, bad. They're playing pretty good this year. They had
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: a good win the other day. You mentioned Elon a
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: little bit ago. I know you guys have like a...
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a feud. What is it
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: you think? It almost seems romantic a little bit.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just like to fuck with them, right? I mean,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: because it's like.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: He loves being on Twitter too.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's his thing, right? Yeah. I guess if I
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: just paid 40 something billion. Yeah. It's like 44 billion.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: You better hang out. It's like, why do I go
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to the Mavs games?
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: You know? Um, but yeah, I don't, I don't dislike Elon,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: but he says some stupid shit and it's just like,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I have no problem calling him out. Yeah. And he's,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: he's thin skin. Right. And so like, I'll tell you
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: my one little Elon story.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: So I got, I didn't get to know him, but
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I was, um, helped him with something or tried to
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: help him. And so I had his number and I
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: texted him a couple of times. Like he had a
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: kid and I'm like, congrats on your 97th kid. And
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: he texted me back, Mars needs kids, right? Mars needs people.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's funny as shit, right? And so
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: one day I had a Tesla and I said something
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: about it. And he just sends me a text with
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: the article saying, fuck you. That's it. Just fuck you.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: And I was like, okay. I mean, it was the truth, right?
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Fuck you.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so that's... A text with the article
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: that what?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: That I said something that wasn't completely, totally positive about Tesla.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, so that's what
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: the article was about.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Right, so he was just like, fuck you. I'm like, okay.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: And then it was nothing, you know, no big deal.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I don't care one way or the other. And then
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: he buys Twitter, right? And then he starts getting real political, right? Yeah.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: And so not a lot of people are going to
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: stand up to him. And I'm like, fuck it, I
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: don't care, right? So he's called me racist. He's called me,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: you know... poop emoji multiple times until he calls me
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: all these names and so like that to me that
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: just gives me license to fuck with him even more
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: right i don't care if he calls me names i
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: don't give a shit what he thinks right but it's
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: still fun right you know just to hit him with
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the lols or whatever.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah because at that point you're just kind of having
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a good time and twitter is a strange place where
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: you can just kind of say whatever it kind of
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: exists it kind of doesn't the news like you Twitter
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: is a, it's a, just such a bizarre place.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I wish they would take a lot of the pornography
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: off of there.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Hardcore, right? How they get away with all that shit
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: because you only have to be 13 to go on there, right?
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: You know, you talked about some of the shit we
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: were talking earlier. That's where the shit just shows up
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: in your face all the time. Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: That, that, that kind of stuff isn't, I think, yeah,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I wish that, that, that we didn't have that. Um,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: And yeah, and I think, yeah, and he's, yeah, he's
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: always on there, but yeah, I think he, and he
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: might still be high off the fact that he bought it,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: you know, that he owns it.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Look, you got to give him tons of credit, right? Yeah. SpaceX,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: you know, Starlink, Tesla, the shit dudes, like the entrepreneur
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: of our generation, right? There's like nobody close, you know,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: at least in the two thousands.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: And so I have total respect for him as an entrepreneur,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: but his skin is so, so thin. How can you
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: not fuck with them? Yeah. Right. Yeah.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I think, well, yeah, I mean, it's, I think it's,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, Twitter is definitely a place where is it real?
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Is it not real? You know, I don't know. It's
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: always been interesting. I feel I kind of I was
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: happy that he bought it, though. I mean, I feel
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: like he kind of rescued it because I feel like
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of like the mainstream media
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and like the social media platforms, they seem all pretty
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: left leaning. Right.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Used to be for sure. Right? But now, like, the
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: biggest platforms are Fox News, Daily Wire, the big names. Like,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: name the big left-leaning anchors or whatever. Who are the
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: most left-leaning big celebrities in media today?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess you probably have, like, Don Lemon, I guess.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: He got fired. He did? Yeah, he got fired from CNN.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: He's gone, right? He ain't got shit going on. Oh, damn.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Um.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: When life gives you Don Lemon, let him go.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: That's what happens. But you get the point, right? I
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: don't know. There's no big names.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: But seeing it, I think a lot of the mainstream
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: media has been notoriously kind of left-leaning.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I think historically.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: It seems like they're anti, I mean, especially like during
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the first time that Trump was running, like, the only
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: people that even the late night hosts would make fun
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: of were basically like kind of poor whites. It seemed
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: like for sure that was wrong. It got like, if
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you were like conservative or Christian, I feel like those
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: people get the brunt of shit a lot of times.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not going to argue with that. Right. But
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I guess my point is in 2016, it was different, right?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: TV was still up here, right? Getting nine, 10 million
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: viewers a night for a TV show was okay. Right.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: And so whoever was on the, the, the news then
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: or CNN, they were getting millions of people. Now, the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: only platforms getting a lot of viewers are like Fox
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: News is the biggest, MSNBC gets some, like a Rachel Maddow,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: you could say. But for every Rachel Maddow, there's Sean Hannity,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: there's Laura Ingraham, There's all the hosts. And then you've
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: got Ben Shapiro's. You've got all these right wing, the
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson's. And so the bigger stars now and the
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: bigger media presence is on the right. And so I
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: think what's happened on Twitter now since Elon has pushed
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: it to the right, I think it's kind of flip-flopped.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: In 2016, if you went on and talked about Trump positively,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: you would get shit on.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, you couldn't say anything. If you were even a conservative,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: you couldn't even ask a question.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Right, you would get shit on, right?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: It was very scary.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Right, so it was left-leaning, but now it's the exact opposite. Right?
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: When I say stuff about Harris, you can just look
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: at my mentions, my replies, and I'm just getting destroyed.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I'm a communist. You're a fucking Jew. Go back to hell.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: This is this. This is that. Well, Jews aren't from hell.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, dude. Well, no, but that's what they— no, it's
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: all crazy.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: But at least look at the history. You know what
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, look at a map. No, it's insane.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: The anti-Semitism on that place. Maybe it's just pointed at me, right?
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: But I know Ben Shapiro. I looked at his replies
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: because I'm just curious, right? Yeah. So point being that
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's flip-flopped. You do. Yeah. And I think now,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, you had President Trump on here coming
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: on here saying his piece, right?
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: And we would have Kamala on.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure. And I'll put in a good word
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: for you too. Yeah? Yeah, for sure.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it would just be interesting to talk
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: to her.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: No, she's smart. She's fun. She's easygoing, right? Laughs a lot,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: but she's chill. But I think the whole thing is
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: just flip-flopped. And I think it's harder on Twitter in particular,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: it's harder to be in support of Harris. Like, I'm
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: not a liberal, right? I mean, socially, I probably am. Physically,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I'm conservative, and I'm an independent. I don't belong to
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: either party. I don't give a shit about either party.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: You know, but I'm a Harris fan because I'm not a...
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: You know, I like her policies. I've had some influence
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: in her policies, and I'm not a Trump fan at all.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Used to be, but they kind of grew out of it.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Have you.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think made you grow? Like, that's
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: an interesting term, like, grew.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Out of it. You know, I would... Once... I came
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: out saying I was for him, right?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, you had come out and said that?
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I said, yeah. I said it was the best thing
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: that happened to politics because he wasn't a typical candidate. Now,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't think he had a chance to- Right, that's
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: how I felt.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because- I would have elected a fucking donut in
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: there if it wasn't a politician.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Exactly right. That's like one of my buddies in Texas.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, why are you voting for Trump? He goes, Mark,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I've been voting for politicians my entire life. You know
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: what they've done for me? Nothing. You know the definition
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again, right?
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, Dan, I get that, right? Yeah.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: But as I would talk to him- And it's funny
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: because in my memory, things that came up right just
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: this morning, I was looking at it, and it was
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: like he sent me a text. I had done a
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: CNN interview. Who, Donald? Yeah, Donald. Well, what he would
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: do is he would write it, and then somebody would
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: scan it, and then they'd email it to me. And
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: so he sent me what happened because he saw a
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: CNN interviewer. I criticized him. And I literally, I told him,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you got to start learning the issues, right?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: You can't just talk, you know, at some point, all
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: these things are important. And if you're going to be
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: president and you've got a chance to win, then you've
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: got to learn this stuff. And I just never felt
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: he made an effort to learn anything. Not just that,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: but anything, right? And so whenever you try to get
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: into a conversation about details, it never worked. Now, all
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: that said, even though I don't think he'd make a
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: good president, I don't think he was a good president
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: before when he did become president, when he asked me
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: to come help on during COVID, right. When he asked
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: me to help about healthcare, I showed up. Yeah. Right.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Because country over party. Right. And then I would do
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: it again if he wins, but I hope he doesn't. Yeah.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Have you donated to the Harris campaign?
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: No, I don't. I haven't given money to any candidate pack, anything, um,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: politics related to either party since 2001. And that was like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know, to Zoe Lofgren, I don't remember
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: why I gave her money, right? That's when I had broadcast.com.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: So I kind of make a point not to give
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: money so that either you, if I talk to you,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: either you like my ideas or you don't. And it's
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  Speaker 1: That's BetterHelp, H-E-L-P, slash Theo. Do you feel like whoever
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  Speaker 1: Do they just spend their time paying back lobbyists? Like,
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  Speaker 1: it just feels like we're so far away from the
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  Speaker 1: days of like maybe Ronald Reagan, or I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: think of somebody else like George, no, uh, uh, Gerald for,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It just seems like we've like, we've
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  Speaker 1: just become this American to me feels like this kind
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  Speaker 1: of shell company.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Right, right. For bigger. Bigger. See, I think there's some
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: And I don't mean in a negative way.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: No, I know what you're saying.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I still believe in like the beliefs of our country.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: But it just feels like the lobbyists control so much.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: It's like, does the president even matter anymore?
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a great point because some of the
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: issues are so complicated, they can't learn all of them, right?
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Of course, yeah. Like whatever it is, right? But at
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the same time, I think what a lot of people
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: are missing is that Everybody, all politicians learn from Donald
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Trump and how he won because- Oh, they did, you think? Yeah, oh,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: for sure, right? I see it in the Harris campaign.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I see it in Kamala Harris, right? You know, Donald
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Trump took over the Republican Party. It was no longer
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: the Republican Party, right? That's a great point. I never
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: even thought about that. He took over, right? It's like
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: whatever he wants, he didn't want to debate in the
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Republican primary- So be it, right? They let him not debate, right?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Who knows what would happen against Vivek or Nikki Haley
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: or whatever it might have been.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. They didn't have to debate this year, huh?
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: No, they wanted to. The other ones did. He just
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: didn't participate. And so he just didn't step up and say, okay,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to kick your ass. I'm happy to debate anybody.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: He said, no, I'm not going to debate. His choice,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: but the point being, he controls the Republican Party. I
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: think that's what's happening with the Democrats. Yeah, that wasn't
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: super democratic probably. Yeah, no, it was, but it's his choice, right?
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: The Republican Party is a private entity. He gets to
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: do the way, and he runs it, right?
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: But isn't there an overall body that would say that
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: you guys have to have this?
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Nobody. Nobody. The Republicans get to pick their candidate the
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: way they want to. And the Democrats get to pick
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: their candidate the way they want to. So all this
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: shit about, well, you know, Nikki, I mean, Kamala Harris
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: didn't get a single vote. Right. Don't matter. Right. And
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: tell you what kind of dweeb I am. Right. And nerd.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Like I literally looked up the bylaws of the Democratic
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: National Convention and the Republican National Convention. And they both
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: say we basically in a nutshell, we get to pick
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: the candidates the way we want to pick the candidates.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Period.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: End of story. Wow.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: So either so because kind of on both sides, it
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: seems like the that the that Kamala and Donald have
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: just been put in.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: So neither one of them kind of practiced like.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: But it don't matter, right? What do they care about? Power.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: To your point earlier, right? What's the Democratic Party want? Power.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: What's the Republican Party want? Power. Now, who's in charge
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: of each of those businesses, the parties? Donald's in charge.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: And the thing I was saying about learning from Donald,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: now Kamala's like, I'm taking over the Democratic Party, right?
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Right? So it used to be like in 2016, people thought, well,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: you know, all the traditional Republicans, the Mitt Romneys or whoever,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: they're really going to run the show. And Donald was like,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: fuck that, right? I'm doing it my own way, right?
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: And so Nikki... Kamala has learned all that stuff now,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: and she's doing it the same way. So she's not saying, okay,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: this is what Bernie wants. She doesn't give a fuck
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: what Bernie wants. You know, this is what Elizabeth Warren wants.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: She doesn't give a fuck what Elizabeth Warren wants. She
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: wants to know what's best for the country. And so
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: then are people like, well, why was she not this
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: way in California? Because running California, being a senator in
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: California is a completely different job than trying to be
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: the president. You know, just like running real estate is
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: a completely different job than trying to be the president.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: So I think she's trying to come to center because
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: and she's trying to be the exact opposite of Trump.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: But she has captured the Democratic Party. Like when I
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: talk to them, it's not like, OK, this is what
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: the Democrats want. It's like, OK, what's best for the
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: country and how do we implement that and how do
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: we convey that so she can win? Now, some people
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: might argue Bernie Sanders really is pulling strings, but he ain't. Right.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: He didn't seem like that when I spoke with him.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: He seemed like I didn't even know how vested he
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: was in her being the candidate.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: No, he's not. Right. That's the whole point. Right. He
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: seemed like. whatever, right? Because she's in the center.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: So you're saying you believe that she's doing her own thing.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: She's definitely doing her own thing. Like she says, here's
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: my core values, right? I want taxes to be fair.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: I want to, you know, lower taxes for the middle class, right?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: I want to bring people up and make sure that
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: they have opportunities, right? I want to try to do
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: what I can to continue to reduce inflation and costs,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: you know, and I don't want to be negative, you know,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: whereas Donald is negative a lot, right? And so you
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: hear her talking about joyous and uplifting and all that stuff. Oh,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: I see, I see. Right? Because that's, and I agree
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: with this, that's what's going to bring people together. You
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: can't say, I hate Taylor Swift, right? And say, I'm
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: bringing people together.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: You can't say, all the Haitians are bad, right? Legal
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: or illegal, right? And throw all the legal immigrants under
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: the bus like he's done. And she's, you haven't heard
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: her criticize, like Hillary Clinton fucked up, right? Because you
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: nailed it, right? She was talking shit, the deplorables and
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: all that. They're stupid for... That's not Kamala at all.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: She's like, all right, we're going to bring people together.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be joyous. I'm going to be uplifting, right?
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I see that. Now I understand a little bit more
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: of her campaign then. But do you think it's weird
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: that she doesn't do a lot of interviews and stuff,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: that she doesn't get out there?
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: That's a great question. Okay, so when she came in, right,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: and got nominated— Because you.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Kind of don't know who she is. That's like you hear,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: you see. So then you start to just believe clips
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: because it seems like you don't get a breadth.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Of— So now that comes down to this great question, right?
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Because I asked the same question, and here's what they
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: said to me. They go, Mark, there is probably 1%
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: of the electorate is high information.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Wait, so electorate, say what it is?
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so 1% of the electorate, people who are voting.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, so 1% of people who are voting.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Are high information.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: So people are going to go really look in depth.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Like you and I might, right? Wow.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Right. they don't really know her, right? And so if
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: you look, when she came in, she had horrible approval ratings.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: She had horrible favorability ratings. People didn't know who she is.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: And so what she's doing, she's taking a page from
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: the Trump playbook. What did Trump do in 2016? He
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: did all those rallies all the time in front of 10, 15,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: 23 That's exactly what she's doing, right? She's going everywhere
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: and doing rally because that's how you get the maximum
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: number of people without having anybody interpret it for her
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: like media might do. But the reason she keeps on
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: doing it, it's working. She went from having really bad favorabilities,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: no one knew, to the exact opposite. She went from
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: being further behind than Biden because people didn't know to
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: actually potentially at least break even if not leading in
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: some cases. It's working. So why doesn't she just turn around?
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: And she's done some friendly interviews like Oprah and the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: National Association of Black Journalists, and she'll continue to do
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: some stuff. But you do what works, right?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. I mean, I think, yeah, I mean,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I just wish to, yeah, it feels like you'd want
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: to get to know her a little bit better. you know,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: just to learn a little bit more about her, I guess.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Well, what do you want to know about her? That's
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: a good question.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: I guess for me, I always want to know what
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: somebody's really like, you know, and at least get an, like,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: just to try to get an idea of that. And
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: then also, like, I think I can understand why a
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: lot of people vote for Trump, you know, because, you know,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: he's had a history of being involved in a lot
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: of shady business, right?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: And that's why they vote for him?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Well, because America has become What it feels like to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: a regular person, it feels like I am just a
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: peon in a bigger shady business. It feels like- That's interesting.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: That's really, really interesting. Yeah.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: So then it feels like, yeah, our water's dirty. Our kids,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: parents are boiling their own water now at home because
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: they feel like that water's not safe and it's causing
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: kids to have autism. Our- you know, are drugs. People
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: have to spend all their money on drugs.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm fixing that, so I'll get to that. Yeah,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: I want to get to that.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: But like, yeah, one of the largest causes of bankruptcy
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: is medical debt in this country. There's a huge shell
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: game insurance scam going on between hospitals and insurance providers
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: and big business.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: But just look at that, right? Those shady things you mentioned,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: he tried to fix. I literally went to the White
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: House to talk about healthcare and the shit I'm doing.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: And he wanted to talk about how he saved $ 35
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: billion on Boeing aircrafts. Right. Couldn't have a conversation about
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: it at all. Yeah.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: And maybe some of that stuff is evolving with him.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But I think my point was that
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: it's gotten to the point where everything seems like such
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: a shady business that I want somebody in there.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Who is shady?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: No, I want somebody in there who can do shady business. Well,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: that is a guy who does shady business. Well, but that's,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: but I think that's how a lot of people think.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Like really, this whole thing is fucking me so much.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: That at least he's my criminal. Let me, he's my criminal.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: He is a criminal.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: He's my criminal. He's my criminal. Yeah.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Or, but yeah, because they feel like this other thing
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: is such a, it's so mobster that you need a mobster.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the best description, a reason I've heard
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: of anybody wanting to vote for Donald Trump, literally the best, right?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Because you're right. Right. If everything is that shady, then
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: he certainly, I mean, he's ripped off. I can't even
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: tell you how many people, right? People I know, right,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: that he's ripped off.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: There's been a lot of alleged issues with contractors.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: No, I'm telling you about, yeah, I'm telling you people
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: I know, right? Like Barbara Corcoran, she said something about
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: this from Shark Tank, right? He hired her or asked
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: her to sell a bunch of condos in a new
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: building that he put up. And she did. Sold everything
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: she asked. He offered her $ 4 million. He wouldn't pay her.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: She had to sue him just to get her money.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: But how does somebody benefit by behaving like that?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: When that's the only way you know? I mean, he
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: was born rich, right? He's never had to find his,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: you know, Damon Johnson. Yeah, he's always had good hair, dude.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Rich people always have clean hair, I remember.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good hair, Mark.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Just call me Becky. Yeah, there you go. Well, she
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: likes him as a salesperson, but down in there it
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: talks about how he ripped her off. How do you,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: you know, Trump University, Trump Foundation, Trump Soho, just example
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: after example where he ripped off hardworking Americans again and
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: again and again. And to think all of a sudden
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: he just changed who he is, just not the case. Like,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: look what he's doing fucking now, right? A mint silver coin. Okay,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: if you're a billionaire, right, all of a sudden you
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: just made a billion dollars. You took your company public.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: You put a billion dollars in the bank. Are you
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: going to be selling silver medallion coins? What do they
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: look like? Does it matter? I don't know.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking... Oh, you mean like one
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: of those.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: You mean like the commemorative coins?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, commemorative coins, yeah. Right, that you see on the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: late night.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: They sell commemorative everything, don't they?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is supposed to be the guy running
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: for president, right? And so he's selling commemorative coins. Oh,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: that's wild, dude. He's selling sneakers.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's gangster, bro.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: But why, if you're rich, selling sneakers, right?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Because Donald also has a, you know, he has a very...
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Look at this shit, right? Those things are hype as fuck, dude,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: and I wish I could get a pair, to be honest,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: just because they're pretty tough. I mean, they're ridiculous, but
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: they're tough. But I think he's got a, you know,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: he loves being Donald Trump.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, he does. Undeniably. And I don't blame him for that.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: More power to him, right? Love your life, right? Enjoy
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: every minute. I hope he enjoys every minute of his life, right?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: I got nothing against, I like the guy. If he
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: was here and we were just talking shit, I'd get
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: along great with him, right? But that's different than wanting
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: him to be president of the United States again, right?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Totally different. And I think you need somebody you can trust. Now,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: is Kamala perfect? No, right? Do I agree with everything
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: she's going to do or says? No, right? But I
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: think you can trust her, right? And that's the difference.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: And if you want to, I don't think we need
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: to keep things in gangster mode. I don't know. That's
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: why she talks to me, right? I mean, that sounds stupid, right?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: But like fixing healthcare, right? She's not saying, okay, this
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: lobbyist or that lobbyist. She's like, how do we fix it, right?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: What do we do to make it to save people money?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: you know, that's the difference, right? And I understand completely
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: if you think everything's gangster, the deep state and all
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: this shit, but like to me, that's just playing the victim,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: You mean by believe in that sort of mentality?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: No, that when he does it, right? When he says
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: they're out, you know, it's the deep state. He was
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: fucking the president of the United States, the most powerful
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: man in the world. And what did he do to
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: stop the deep state? Now he just stopped talking about it.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: He doesn't talk about the deep state anymore. That's supposedly
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: the ultimate gangster shit, right? I mean- You know, if
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: it's gangster and fucked up the way you say, and
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: maybe it is, right? Maybe I just miss it. It
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: feels like it. No, and I'm not saying it's not, right?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe I just don't see it, right? Maybe I've got
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: it too good and I don't see the shit, right? But,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it ain't going to get un-gangster. It's not
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: going to get better if you put in a gangster, right?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: And if you put somebody who's a gangster and Tony
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Soprano style that only worries about loyalty, if you have
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: an idea, he ain't listening. He's doing it his way.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Where I think with her, she'll listen.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: One interesting thing that he did. Well, I wonder how
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: much would be different from the first time that he
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: had the experience to be president to because sometimes you
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: do something and you learn.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Right. The question is, does he become more gangster or
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: more legit?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a good question. I think it would,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. I wish I knew a little bit
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: more about how he thinks and is, you know, and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: that's the toughest thing is being a regular voter. It's
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: so hard to get to know how somebody.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: But that's the exact same thing you said about Kamala, right?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Really is, you know? Right.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Because when he, look again, I don't hate him. I
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: really don't hate anybody. Yeah. Right. I respect them. Right.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: I just don't agree with them and I don't think
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: he'd be a good president, but When he came on here, right,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: and I listened to the interview, he talked pretty– other
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: than your talk about his brother and what happened there,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: which was really cool, right? You deserve a lot of credit.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: He deserves a lot of credit.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I wish he would have talked a little
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: more about it. I think it's hard to get into
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: some of his– like an emotional side with him some.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: And I wish that it was maybe a little more possible,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: but– you know, he's also an old, you know, he's,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: he's a, you know, he's an older guy, senior citizen.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: And it's hard.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: It's harder for that. And I don't know him, you know, but, but, but,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: you know, what I was going to say is he
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: didn't really get into any details about anything other than
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: the personal stuff with his brother. Right. You know, in
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: your stuff. Yeah.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I think he wants to, you know, he wants,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: I think there's just things people want to feel. They
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: want to feel safe.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: So you want to, you want different things that are,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: that are happening at the border. Like we had a
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: couple of border patrol agents on and they were saying that,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: that a lot of the problems it's not, they used to,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: it used to have like usual, like, uh, Mexican migration
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: that comes up to help with farming and stuff like that.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: And then it's just gotten out of control. And then
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: now it's gotten really out of control. Um, so I
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: think his state, like him saying that we want to
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: close out or make it be like appropriate ways that,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: that affects people's safety.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: No, I agree. Right. Everybody wants safety. Right. And I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: think Biden fucked up. No question about it. He waited
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: too long to do anything about Now, if you look
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: at what's going on now, the border crossings are at
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: the same level they were under Trump, right? So they've
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: come way down. And she has already said she wants
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: to sign the border bill that the Republicans put out there, right?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Not build a wall. but shut it down even further,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: which I think- So even further than a wall? Yeah,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: further than it is now, because they've already got it
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: down to where it was when they built the wall,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: as much as they got built, right? It's the same
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: numbers as at the end of the pre-COVID stuff for Trump, 400,000
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: a day, whatever it is, right? And she wants to
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: take it even further. She's not Joe Biden, right? So
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: I agree with that, that it's a big deal. But
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: he also said he just wanted to deport everybody. How
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: the fuck do you do that? Yeah. You're just going
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: to walk into somebody's house. Hey, I know there might
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: be somebody who may or may not be illegal. Get
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: the local cops and just pull them out of their house.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: You know, what's that going to do to cities? You know,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, you go through LA. Yeah, there's a bunch
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: of illegals, right? But they're not all have, not all
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: their families are illegal. Yeah. And so if your family's
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: getting dragged out the front door, what are you doing? Right.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: And he gets the National Guard or the local cops
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: to start dragging people out, putting them in a bus
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: and send them. How do you think their community is
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: going to respond?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess it depends.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: I agree. It's tough. It's like, how do you get
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: into the minutia of some of those things?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: You've got to follow the law, right? But he's saying
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: he's just going to drag them out of their doors, right?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: He hasn't given any real details how he would do it.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: And what I'm saying is, let's just say he decided
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: it's against Jewish people. Yeah. Just pull it out of
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: left field. I'm not saying he is. He's not going to, right?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: That's happened to us before, right? And in a country
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: where there's this many guns, people are pulling out their guns, right?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, but I'm thinking if I'm Hispanic
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: and I have a brother-in-law or somebody, my father, whatever,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: who's illegal, and they're just coming to my front door,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not just letting them take them and just say,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: thank you very much, give me another. Yeah. right? Unless
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: you do it the right way. There's way, look, they
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: called Obama the deporter in chief. He deported more people
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: than Trump ever did, but he followed the law to
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: do it. Yeah. As long as you follow the law,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: that's great. But when, when Donald goes around saying, we're
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: just going to fucking kick him out, right? I'm going to,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: you know, do whatever. Right.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: That just sounds like more, it sounds like a boast
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: and not like what is the actual practice.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Right. More gangster.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Right. But I think the fact that so many people
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: have been let in, it's like, There's Venezuelans in Brooklyn
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: that are running like prostitution rings out of parks over there,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's Americans doing the same shit too, right? Right.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: But I'm not trying to make excuses for them, right?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Get the motherfuckers out. but follow the law to do it.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: Tell us how you're gonna do it.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Right, that's a good point. Yeah, he doesn't, Donald doesn't
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: have much of a, he's not very finessed when it
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: comes to the emotional comfort of how something's gonna sound
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: or be sometimes.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Well, just respect the law. Otherwise, shit could hit the
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: fan in a bad way. Yeah. Right.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: But the fact that people have come in lawlessly, it
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: feels like.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: Biden fucked up. No one's changed. No one's saying he didn't. Yeah. Right?
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: He let too many people in. That could have been
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: the Bernie Sanders side of him, right?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you know, he did the right thing. Yeah. Right.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: But you are where you are. Right. So the only
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: question is, how do you fix it? Right. And just saying,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: you are where you are, you are where you are.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: The situation is the situation. When, when that company cast
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: or whatever it was fucked you up, you were where
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: you were. Yeah. And you just had to deal with it. Yeah. Right.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: You could sue, you could do whatever you could follow
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: the law. You did what you had to do.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: It's the same with this, right? You are where you are.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: And if he's going to get people out, which you should,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: He's not saying I'll follow the Obama model, but instead
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: of 3 million people deported, it's going to be 11 million.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Right. Let's hear the practice more.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Right. Because otherwise, when you have 300 million, 400 million
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: guns in a fucking country, people aren't just going to say,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: take my brother. Thank you very much.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: You know, that's a great point. I think, yeah, I
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: think that you have to have more of an idea of, yeah,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: how are things going to be done?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: You got to tell us how you're going to do it, right?
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: You can't just say I'm going to deport because to
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: your point, right, it gets people mad and they want
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: to vote because they feel threatened, right? They don't feel safe,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: you know, and I don't blame them for not feeling,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: for being mad and not feeling safe. That's legit, right?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: But how are you going to fix it, right? Kama's saying, okay,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: here's the program, right, that we got from James Lankford,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: whoever the guy from Oklahoma, I think it is. for
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: this Republican bill. I'll sign it, right? Because this is
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: a problem. She hasn't said how she's going to deal
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: with deportations. That's something that she should be asked. I
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: don't know the answer. I don't know where her head
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: is on that. But I do know that if you
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: go more gangster on this... That it could escalate and
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: get worse, you think? Yeah, wouldn't you? I don't know.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about it like that exactly. I hadn't
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: thought about what are the actual practices of it.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Dude hires people illegals in Mar-a-Lago. Yeah. Right.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, that's an interesting thing about our whole country
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: is it's like people say, well, we don't want illegals here,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: but then people hire illegals to also do their jobs.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Right. And they're not doing like, they're not doing these jobs. Right.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: They're doing, you know, the shitty jobs.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: But most of the people that are coming over now, it's,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: it's gotten so much more out of like people just
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: coming over to work and send money back home. It's
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: gotten like most of the people aren't even Mexican people
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: that are coming over now. It's all other types, which
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't make those people any better or any worse. But
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: it's still like, If it's like, it just makes me like,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: I can't walk. I'm scared to let my kid walk
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: the block to school now, or just because I don't know.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: And if you feel like these people don't have a
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: social security number, then there's no way to even prosecute
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: them or have them be contributing members.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Well, no, that's not true, right? So even if they
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: don't have a social security number, if they break the law,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: they'll deport them, right? Or they'll throw them in jail,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: whatever it may be. They're not saying because you don't
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: have a social security number, you can't be prosecuted. Oh,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not the way it works.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah, I mean, yeah, a lot of people that
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: the executive branch, one of the border patrol guys said
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: that the executive branch, they're not doing the processing well enough.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: So a lot of times they get the same people over.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: And over again. Yeah. They send them back. They come
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: right back over. They send them back. That's fucked up. Right.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: So we obviously we have to do better.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: And there used to be a program where families got
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: to sponsor somebody that was coming over.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know where
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: that is or what's going on.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: I would just be cool because then you as a
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: person that's already that lives here or is a citizen here,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: you feel like you have a connection to that. You know,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: it's like.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: That's how my grandparents got in the country.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: They came over from Ukraine and all over the fucking place. Right.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: It was either either be killed where they were or
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: get your ass over here. Right.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Right. I just think we're in a tough space in
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: this country where it's like people are struggling with addiction.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: People are struggling with home ownership. We're dealing with less
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: marriages than ever. Like the family unit is broken. People
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: are scared. A person can't care about their kids because
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: they have to fucking work all day. Or they can,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: but it's just hard to manage.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Well, how do you think you fix that? I don't know.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: And I think it's a lot to think that one
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: person could be the person that does it. And I
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: don't even know how you, as a leader, say you
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: need the help from the people because they're already stressed.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: That's what leaders are supposed to do.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Right. Right? That's the whole job, right? That's why I
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: turned on Trump because he didn't pay attention to those details.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like he had a team that was like,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: I got this guy to do this. I got this
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: guy to do that. And even now, who else?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Well, he has, at least he, I do like that
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: he brought in Bobby Kennedy Jr., you know?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a big Bobby Kennedy. You're not? No,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: not at all. Yeah. Yeah, because of the healthcare shit.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: I like his stuff on unprocessed foods, right? I think
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: that's legit. In fact, one of my buddies, Todd Wagner-
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: one of my partners. This whole thing is getting rid
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: of unprocessed foods. He helped sign a law in California
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: to get all these dyes and shit out. So I'm
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: in agreement there. Yeah.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: That's one thing I love about him and clean water,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: just trying to clean up the environment.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I'm cool with that.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Those are the things that I love. Those are
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: the things that I only really know that he does.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I got no problem with that side of him, right?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: The whole vaccine thing, I think he's misguided on that,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: but that's what makes a market, right? That's okay. People
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: can disagree.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: And you need somebody to say this is, you needed
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: a you needed because half of america was like this
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: feels like we should just let it it's not that
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: dangerous we should let it figure itself out and nobody
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: was even allowed to say that it felt like say
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: what that that this feels like a that during covid
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: this just feels like something that um we need to
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: let it run its course through people instead of like
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: going this in this such a like a kind of
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: almost felt like a communist route of like locking everything down.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, it wouldn't have to go into that. Yeah.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: I was responsible for 20,000 people coming into a Mavs game.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: And if somebody would have died because I didn't want
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: them to be vaccinated, none of that, I would have
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: felt like shit for the rest of my life. Yeah. Right.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: So just different. Yeah. So everybody can have different perspectives
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: on that. I was pro-vax. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I was vax on it.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, I guess I was probably anti,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I was anti-vax. I just felt
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: like Like they suddenly shut down all of the AA
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: rooms and shit. And that killed so many people because
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: they couldn't go get meetings. And you're like, I'm going
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: to die because I'm an addict.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: And I don't, COVID is the least of my worries.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: My brother's 17 years sober. So I went through all
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: that shit with him. So I- Yeah, not having some
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: of that. So I just think that the way that
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: it was all handled felt like- Look, with everything- It's
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: easy to look it back at.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right? You can look at everything differently, right? Because
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: in hindsight, everything's 2020, right? But when you're in the
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: middle of it and people are fucking dying- It's scary
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: as fuck, yeah. But that's the difference between leadership, like
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: going back to leadership. I mean, you nailed it. You
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: need leaders, right? And leaders may not be able to
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: do everything themselves personally, but you've got to have people
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: around you that can do it. And that's where I
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: think Trump is fucked up.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't hear a lot about who he's going
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: to get to help him with each thing.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: And a lot of it's because the people who he
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: used before all turned on him, right? All his cabinet members,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: 40 out of his 44 cabinet members. said, we ain't
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: voting for him, right? We don't think he's qualified to
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: do this job. And, you know, so healthcare, you hear
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: Vance mention some things, but what else, right? Deportations, you
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: hear Donald say he's going to do it, but how, right?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Can you name one thing that Donald said how he's
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: going to do it? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's another thing that even on the
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Kamala side, it's like, I wish there were more some
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: specifics about the policies. It's almost like they could both
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: use a tune-up in some of that area.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: For sure. Now, we got 45 days or whatever it
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: is to find out from Kamala what she's going to do.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: I'm pushing them to get as much detail out, right?
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: I talk to their team three, four times a week
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: via text, right? And I give them shit when they
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: deserve shit, right? And I'll say what I think. And
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: they listen though, right? They may not agree all the time,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: but they'll listen. And so I know like when I
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: talk to our team, they're like, okay, we got to
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: talk to the policy director of this or that, right? Healthcare,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about, you know, independent pharmacies going up. Okay,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: we have a group that's looking at healthcare in general.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Let us get your feedback and go. Like I was
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: talking to them the other day on Amazon. Do you
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: sell anything on Amazon by chance?
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: I never I bought stuff on there Yeah but never
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Okay so like Little companies Like Shark I found this
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: on Shark Tank right So little companies that Make headphones
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: right They get knocked off a lot A lot right
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: So you come up with an idea To do something Blood, sweat,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: sweat and tears You put it on Amazon Some fuckers
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: in China Are like I make that shit Right I'm
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: gonna go on there And just knock it off right
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: And sell it there And as a little company It's
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: hard It's not impossible But it's hard to get Amazon
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: to take it down, particularly on a timely basis. And
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: so they can lose half, 75%. all of their sales
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: to these knockoffs, right? And so I said to them,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: you know, hey, here's what I learned from these companies, right?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Amazon isn't the good partner they used to be for
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: these little companies. Can we do something together? Can I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: put something together? Like, yeah, put something together for us
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: because you're right.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: We need to do it. It's not right that China's
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: knocking off some of our smallest entrepreneurs, even big entrepreneurs, right?
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: And stealing their business. So it's not about tariffs. It's about, okay,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: so I proposed to them Can we get these Chinese
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: companies to register before they're allowed to sell on Amazon?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Get them to put up like a 25K bond in
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: case they rip off people, there's some money there, right?
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: For every product they sell, you're going to sell headphones, right?
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: Post it up, just like a patent. You have to
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: post your patent before it gets approved, right?
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: Almost like you have to put your rating in the
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: restaurant window or whatever.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. Same type of thing, right? So post whatever
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: it is you're going to sell and put up five
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: grand for it, right? Again, in case you violate IP, right?
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: That's revenue for the country that protects our small independent businesses, right?
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: And it protects us against China who, you know, they
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: don't care about IP all the time, right? And they
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: were like, great idea. We have a policy team to
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: look at that stuff for us, right? That's the big difference, right?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: So we don't have all the details yet. And I
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: think that's not as good as it should be. But Hopefully,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: we'll get all those out in policy papers and everything
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: and get some details. I haven't even seen who Trump
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: is going to turn to for details.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: So you feel like with the Democratic Party, that with
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Kamala's group, that there's more organization?
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: A lot more and a lot more details paid attention to.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Got it. Right. And I think that's important. Maybe there's
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: people that Donald has put together and we just don't
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: see it.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: But you don't think there is? Who do you think
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: is going to.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Well, thanks, man. I like talking about that stuff. Sometimes
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: I get kind of scared to talk about it, I guess,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: because some things I don't know and nobody knows everything.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows shit, big picture, right?
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Who do you think will win?
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. I know.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: Isn't that fucking crazy?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: Do you think we still have a fair election process
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: in this country?
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. You do? Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Awesome. That's my biggest fear is just that we don't
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: have one. And that, I think, And when you start
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: to– that's one thing that gets really weird because you
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: start to think that since other things seem kind of
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: like lobbyists are involved in everything and there's– Bernie Sanders
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: is saying we have more lobbyists than we have reps
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: and senators.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: That I believe, right?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: He said there's three lobbyists for everyone. It's like within
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: what– what's the real government? It almost feels like the
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: lobbyist becomes the real government. But then you start to–
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: just so I finish, Mark. But then you start to–
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: You start to think that if all that feels so
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: compromised is the voting compromised.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, as a geek. You don't think it is. No,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: as a geek. Yeah. And having looked at a lot
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: of this stuff. I mean, I'm not the ultimate geek
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: in all this, but I'm pretty confident. And plus, they've
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: been sued a thousand times. All the states that Trump
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: questioned were audited and had recounts. And notice, he didn't
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: question the states he won. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. Right.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: So it's not like he didn't trust it. Right. He
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: just and I remember going I got invited by Clinton
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: to one of the early debates in 2016. And he
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: was talking then about how the election wasn't going to
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: be fair. So one of the coolest books I ever
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: read was about a guy named Roy Cohen. Right. And
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever heard of the McCarthy
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: trials in the 50s where they were calling everybody a communist. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: And so I did a movie actually executive produced a
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: movie called Good Night and Good Luck. got nominated for
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: six Academy Awards. Oh, yeah, with George Clooney. It was
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: George Clooney, right? It was all about that. Well, Roy
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Cohn was Donald Trump's mentor. And Roy Cohn, he was
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: the guy who was defending the people saying, you're a communist,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: you're a communist, right? And his approach was deny, deny, deny, deny,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: and it's your fault, it's your fault, it's your fault,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: and they're out to get me. Everything Donald is doing
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: is Roy Cohn part two.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: So you feel like that's a lot of his template? Yeah,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: that's his template. Yeah, that's the right word, template. Yeah,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people feel like it's
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: all so against them that they'll fucking throw a wrench into.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: The– Just to fuck it up further, right?
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Well, no, just because it's like we'll fire anything at–
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: it's like I think there's a lot of that mentality
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: is that he's not a politician.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: They're going after him?
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: So it's better than having a politician in there because
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: the political landscape has gotten so.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: I would agree. Look– Like when Biden was running– I
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: feel differently about Kamala. But when Biden was running, if
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: you had a non-MAGA Republican running, I would probably vote
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: for them, right? I just– and you nailed it, right?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: You said socially liberal, fiscally conservative.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The whole gangster thing, I think that's just wrong.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: Like when I was a little kid, I used to
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: go with my buddy, Jay, and his dad was a
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: numbers collector. You know, and so we would go- Oh, really? Yeah,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: when he had this little- She has plus three, dude.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, always. No, this is why I'll take number seven, right? Right?
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, with horses?
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, just literally numbers. So back in the day,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: the mafia basically, right, in Pittsburgh and everywhere, they would
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: allow you to pick a number. I don't know out
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: of how many. One to 20, you pick a number
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: and you bet, right? And each number had different odds.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: And if your number came up- you got paid. It's
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: more like roulette. That was it. Yeah. That was more
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: like we call it numbers, right?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: It was like roulette, but somebody came and told you
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: what the number was.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And they just posted the number and that was it. Right.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: And they knew what you would bet. And if you
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: didn't pay up, wow. Right. Not that they would him,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: but they were just my, my buddy's dad used to
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: sit there with a little, you know, a little souvenir
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: baseball bats. They give a games, a little tiny one, pep, pep, pep.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: And it was cool as shit sitting in his, you know,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: 1968 Buick Riviera. I thought it was bad-ass as hell
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: at the time, but Collecting numbers, dude.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: But the gangster shit, right? Yeah. Once a gangster, always
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: a gangster. And when it comes time to dealing with stuff,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: it's self-preservation first. That's the number one rule of being
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: a gangster, isn't it? You know, stay out of jail,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: keep your shit going. That's not putting the country first. Well, yeah.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: The problem is it feels like the country hasn't been
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: first for a long time. And so people want a gangster.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: So that's why I understand.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: I understand too, right? You explained it better than anybody. Right.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: The way you said it to me was the only
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: thing that I've been told. OK, I get that. Right.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: You know, or like my buddy said, I'm tired of
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: voting for politicians. I get that. But I don't know.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: That's who Donald Trump is these days. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's interesting. That's why it's, you know,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: it's fun to talk about.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, just to have a good conversation. Yeah. No yelling,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: no screaming.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: And I totally respect your thoughts and I respect a
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: lot of your insight. You know, 100 percent.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: And I would love to be able to have her on.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: They reached out like last week about it.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, cool.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: And so we've been- Who reached out?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Do you know?
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'll have to check with my buddy, Zach,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: But- Or just email me who reached out and I'll
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: find out. But it'd be- I'll put in a good
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: word for you.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be interesting, you know, just to, I think,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: because the toughest thing as like a regular person who
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: just can go vote, it's like, you've just, even more
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: these days, you want to try and figure out who
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: is this person, you know? You obviously have a lot
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: of like thoughts and creativity and you've had success. Do
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: you feel like running for office? Have you thought about it?
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Fuck no. I've thought about it.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: I even looked into it.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: But it's not going to happen. Right. All the shit
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: that they're going through. Right.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: Like you just even mean on a human basis.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. On a human basis. Like why would I put
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: my family through that? Right.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: And with Cosplus, I can have an impact.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: And I just think I can do more outside than inside.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: And I'm just not good at, you know, all the
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: formalities and all that shit. You know, you're not, I mean,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: showing up at a state dinner in jeans and a
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: t-shirt isn't going to work. I don't know.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: I think people would love it.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: That would be me.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, I just think people would love that.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. My wife would kill me.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: Did you ever ask her what she thought?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. My family voted no. No You sat them down? Yeah.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: Sat them down. Four no, one yes. Oh, man.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Did you even try to lobby one of them to
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: even help you a little?
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: Well, my son got into it a little bit, but
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: he was only like 13 at the time. So it
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: was more.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, damn. Yeah. I guess what moments or what is
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: it the part of you that makes you feel like
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: you would want to do or could do it?
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: Because I just want to do the right thing. Right.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: You know, if there's a deep state, I don't need
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: anything from anybody. Right. You can't buy me. Right. And
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: I try to be smart about things. I'm curious and
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: I like to learn. I want to listen and be
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: open minded. And I think I've got approaches that have
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: worked for me in the past, but also are getting
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: results now. You know, like the cost plus drug stuff.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: I know how to change industries. whether it was the
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: streaming industry, HDTV, you know, movies, whatever it is, any
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: industry I've gotten into, I've managed to kind of bubble
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: to the top. And, you know, and I also know,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: you know, to trust smart people, to partner with people
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: who know shit that I don't know, how to, you know,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: how to compliment my skill sets. I mean, maybe I'd
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: be too honest about the whole thing, but I think
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: I could do a good job, but there's just no
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: way I'm putting my family through that.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: So that's why, maybe if you had an extra 15
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: years in your life, you would think about it?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Um, Yeah, but they're still my family, right? And it's
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: like— It's a lot. Yeah. I mean, when Clinton was president,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: the worst he did was try to smoke dope. Yeah.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: You know, and Obama— And he got that hummer, too. Yeah, right. Well, yeah,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: but that was after the fact. They was already in, right? Yeah.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: But— Yeah, I mean, who knows?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: Look, I think if you're the president— but he was married, though.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That was why. Whatever it was, right? Yeah. You
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: know— To get elected, all you had to do was say,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: I didn't inhale, right? I know. Shit's totally different now. Yeah,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: shit's way different. You know, you got pictures. Your kids
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: were here. You were there doing this, doing that.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: It would put your family through.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: Brutal. Yeah. Brutal.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: So that's a big reason, really. Do you think that
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: keeps a lot of people out of it?
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: It is. It's a scrutiny. It's that media scrutiny that
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: they have.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at Kamala, right? She was 30 years
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: old fucking a dude older, right, or young. She's in
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: her 20s.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Montel Jordan or something.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Whatever, right? Just having fun. If it was me and you,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: we'd be like, let's go party with Kamala Montel, right?
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Let's go, go. Let's go, right? And now, you know,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: all the shit she goes through. And that's not bad, right?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: But imagine that, you know, she doesn't, you know— And
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: even like her stepdaughter, the one who was a little bit,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: you know, that has all the tattoos and shit that
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: they were giving shit to.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, I haven't seen her. Yeah.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: Only because.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, I did see her. Yeah. They gave her
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: shit because.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: How she looks.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The tats and everything and all that. And. Whatever, right?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: I don't remember all the details.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and remember the Barron Trump stories came out.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: He has autism or he has Down syndrome or whatever.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: You're like, what are you talking about?
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: But I will tell you this. When I went to
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: the White House to visit Donald, you know, he was
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: rambling around.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: This was when he was in office?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was like 2019. He's like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: we were trying to talk about healthcare. We went off
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: on a bunch of different stuff. He goes, are you
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: still on that show, Shark whatever? I'm like, yeah. He goes,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: Barron loves that show. I'm like, tell Barron. And he goes,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: that's his favorite show. I'm like, tell Barron thanks. And
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: then I'm walking out. He goes, Wait, I'm like, what?
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: He goes, that suit looks really good on you. That's
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: who he is, right? He's going to give compliments like
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: that and shit like that. Yeah.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: What was I going to, oh, I want to talk
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: about your, the drug company you started.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: Cuspersdrugs.com. Okay.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Because yeah, one of the toughest things is that people
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: pay more. Well, first you tell me what's the best
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: order for this, because we talked about like the insurance,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: the scam that goes on between hospitals and insurers and
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: and regular people. And then can you explain that to me?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: And then tell me how your drug, how the company helps,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: where we.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: Fit and all that. Okay. Okay. So, um, there's insurance. Well,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: it's the best way to explain it. There's drugs that
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: you take. And then there's what they call providers, the
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: hospitals you go to, right? Okay.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: So the hospitals you go to is the provider.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: Provider, right? And then there's the payers, which are the
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: insurance companies. Okay. And, The insurance companies try to do
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: deals with the providers, but they're not always up and up, right?
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: It's not the providers, it's just the insurance companies have
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: all the leverage because they have the money, right? And
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: hospitals are just trying to get all the business that
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: they can get. And so there's all these games and
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: arbitrages that are played over and over and over again.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: But what I think people don't realize is almost everybody
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: with healthcare, Like, where do you get your health care?
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: Or do you just self-pay or do you have insurance?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: I have health insurance.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: Through, do you know?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but it costs $ 400 a month.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's probably the ACA, right? The Obamacare, right?
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: But you have a deductible, right? And let's just say
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: for the shits and giggles, that's $ 2, 000 deductible. For the hospital,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: even though this insurance company is going to pay anything
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: above $ 2, 000, you're responsible for that $ 2, 000, right? And the hospital, like...
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: is already not going to get paid on 50% of
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: the deductibles. And so that's why you get a lot
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: of this bad debt. The insurance companies don't pay for
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: the whole thing and they plan everything so they don't
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: have to pay for the whole thing. And that creates
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of medical debt.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: And so there's, Medical debt that the hospitals owe.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: No, the individuals with the deductibles. I see what you're saying.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: Because they can't afford to pay their deductible. Got it. Right?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, you have some disease and you
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: can't afford your deductible, which is $ 2, 000. It doesn't matter
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: that it covers above $ 2, 000, right? Because you can't pay
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: the first $ 2, 000. Right? So that puts people in a
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: lot of fucked up situations. And even hospitals, the providers
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: in bad situations, because a big part of their revenue
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: isn't getting paid. Right? Right. And here's the insurance company
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: not giving a fuck, right? They're just saying, that's your problem,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: not mine, right? I'll pay you what I think I
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: owe you, maybe, right? And so all that, the insurance
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: companies put pressure on the hospitals, the providers, the doctors,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: and the doctors then put pressure on the patients. That's
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: where it's all fucked up, right? And so what we're
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: pushing for with the Harris campaign and in general is
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of that happens because there's no transparency. Nobody
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: knows what the contract is with, between the insurance company
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: and the hospitals. Nobody knows what the contract is between
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: the insurance company and your employer. And so as a result,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: the biggest companies have the most leverage and can fuck
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: with everybody. Yeah. And that's where things go bad. So
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying is if you make every insurance contract
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: and provider contract public, then all of a sudden people
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: can understand.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: Well, it's called Power to the Patients. Are you familiar
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: with them?
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: There's a group out there called Power to the Patients
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: that lobbies for... um, price that you have to know
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: how much an MRI costs when you go to get it. Right.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: So that that way, if the hospital says the MRI
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: costs $ 700 and the one down the street is going
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: to have to say it costs six 50 and they're
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: going to have to start to compete.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: And they're going to have to start to compete.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: And there's an executive order that says there have to
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: And that was a good thing that Trump did, but
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: it wasn't enforced by the Biden administration.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: Well, because the penalty is only like $ 1, 000 a day.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Ah, so they'd rather pay the penalty?
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: Right, right. And so I funded a study that had
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: people call the hospitals to see if they can get
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: those cash prices. Yeah. Right? And a lot of them
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: didn't even know, a third of them didn't even know
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: what the cash prices were, right?
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Wow. So they're not being instructed.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just don't know, right? Because that's not, they
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: don't care. That's not a big part of their business, right?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: They want to get all the money from the insurance companies.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: So anyways, circling around to what we do, right?
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: I got a cold email, just like Thomas the pizza guy,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: I got a cold email from a guy named Dr.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Alex Oshmayansky. And he said that there are a lot
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: of generic drugs that were in short supply and kids
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: can't get their medicine and this and that. And I'm like, well,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: what can we do about that? And he's like, well,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: I want to do this thing called a compounding pharmacy
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: where we can make those drugs, right? And so.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I wanted to start a compounding pharmacy.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: You guys can make those drugs that are in short supply.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's cool, but it's not thinking big enough.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, let me look at the pharmaceutical industry
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: and the drug industry and see why so many people
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: can't afford them and what's going on. So I looked
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: at it and it was really obvious, really fast that
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: there's no transparency, right? Because nobody, you know, just like
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: you don't know when you go in, you know, for
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: your MRI, like doctor says, Theo, you need this medication, right?
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: you have no clue what the price is going to be.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: The next question always, what pharmacy are you using, right?
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: They're not saying, can you afford it or anything, right?
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: So we decided to create this company called CostPlusDrugs.com. And
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: if you go to CostPlusDrugs.com and put in the name
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: of a medication, we don't have them all. We have
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: about 2,500. We'll show you our cost, our actual cost
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: that we actually pay for it. And then we market
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: up 15%. And then there's $ 5 shipping and handling to
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: send it to you. And then $ 5 for our pharmacy.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Or if you pick it up locally, it's $ 12. So
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: the pharmacist makes money.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: And because of that, because of that transparency and only
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: marketing up 15%, our prices are dramatically lower. And when
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: the insurance companies are trying to rip people off, like
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: there's a drug called imatinib. And if you don't come
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: to us or some of the better pharmacies, smaller pharmacies,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: you might get charged $ 2, 000 a month. For us, it
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: might be $ 21 a month. I had a buddy who
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: takes this drug, droxodopa. and I didn't know what the
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: fuck it was, right? A friend of ours emailed me
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: and said, Landon can't get this because- Droxodopa? Yeah, I
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: don't know what it is. Sounds like a drug, right?
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Sounds like a free safety problem. Right, right, right.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: And so he was like, he lost his insurance and
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: they're going to charge him $ 10, 000 every three months. I'm
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: like- That's crazy. Crazy. So I'm like, let me see
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: what we can get it for. And go ahead and
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: go to costplustrugs.com and put in Droxodopa. And $ 64 for
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: the three months. Yeah, you don't need to show that part. Yeah,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: so go to See All Medications and then Droxodopa. Now
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: it's $ 14.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: Put some Nicorette on there, dude.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: You'll see all the lights out of it.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: Droxidopa, so now it's $ 14. So you guys, because you're
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: able to make the drugs yourself?
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: No, because we're able to buy them in volume and
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: because we only mark them up 15%.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Well, why doesn't our own government do that to help us?
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: Well, they're starting to now. But see, the problem was
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: we publish our prices and we put out a price list.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: Before we came along, nobody else did.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: So you're creating the fact that other people are now
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: going to have to do that.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: Right. So now people see our prices and they're like, okay,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: millions of people are just going to costplusdrugs.com, right? And
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: the doctors are like, fuck, Droxodopa, $ 14 instead of this
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: other place went at $ 3, 000 plus a month. We're going
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: to costplusdrugs.com.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: Are all your drugs cheaper?
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: I'd say 99% of them are, yeah. Every now and
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: then there's one where we're not cheaper. But every time
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: we get, as our volumes go up and our prices
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: go down, we pass it on. So literally, we've lowered
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: our prices on every weekday since last August. I guess
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: it's been over a year now. We've lowered our prices.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: We've had some drug that has come in that we've
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: been able to lower the price on. Wow. So anybody
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: out there, you, your mom, your dad, your aunt, your uncle,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: your grandparents, right? Whatever drug you take, if you're paying
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: more than $ 15 out of pocket- Go to costplusdrugs.com, put
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: in the name of it, and see if we're cheaper.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, literally, it's crushing it.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: Right. That's all it does. That's all it takes to
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: check it out.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: That's it. Just to go there and do it. You
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: just do it, right? So if you have a deductible,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: we might be cheaper than your deductible, and it's cheaper
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: to pay cash with us.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: Now, can people run into problems, say, if they're not
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: supposed to get certain drugs? Is it easier to get
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: those drugs through you guys?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. You still have to have a prescription.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: Like Percocets or whatever? No, no, no. We don't do
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: any controlled substances at all. Yeah. Huh. Wow, man.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: But how does our government, how does the government allow
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: you to be able to do that?
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Well, they can't stop me, right? Because it's just free markets.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: They like it. I'm glad that it's happening. No, they
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: like it, right? So now I'm talking to the Harris
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: campaign and I'm saying, look, if we just do this transparency,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: you guys can buy the same way we do, right?
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: And so there was a thing from the FTC who
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: went after all these things called these pharmacy benefit managers
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: and just threw them under the bus and sued them,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: but they used our prices. right? Now there's research. In
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: the lawsuit? Yeah. Yeah. There's research from like Vanderbilt and
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Harvard saying if the government, if Medicare bought at our prices,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: they would save billions of dollars a year, right? I mean,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: literally immediately if some, there's people out there that are
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: struggling with their prices, what they pay, they switch to us.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: They're going to save a fuck ton of money.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: And they can just do that, but it's their own choice.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: They don't need their doctor's approval.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: Well, they need to get a prescription to send.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's do a prescription.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: But the doctor doesn't determine where you, They just usually
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: say what your local pharmacy, because that's just what their
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: practice is.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: Right. And so you just say, you know, send it
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: to costplusdrugs.com. Yeah. So in the system that the doctors
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: use to create the prescription, it lists us there and
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: they just click on it and it's easy. Wow.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: No, it's insane. It's insane. Like literally, we only started June,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, January 19th of 2022. So we've only been
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: around a little bit more than two and a half
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: years and we're just changing everything.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: Is it publicly traded or no?
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. It's private. I funded the whole thing.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: Because I don't want to have to worry about making
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: people money. Yeah. Right? Because we're losing money now. Not
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: that much, actually, now. But it's more important for me
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: to fuck things up, right?
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you like the fact that you're changing the industry?
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, fuck, yeah, yeah. Fuck, yeah. I love that. No, no.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: Because to me, that's always the most fun, right? Oh, yeah.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, the healthcare industry, right? What's the one thing
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: you want to go down in history for? I fucked
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: up the healthcare industry, right? I made it so people
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: could afford their healthcare, their medication. And so that's what
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: we're doing with pharmaceuticals and medications. We're also working on
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: Cost Plus Wellness, which will deal with and kind of
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: push out those insurance companies. Because most people get their
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: health care through their employer. And most employers, particularly the
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: big ones, self-insure, meaning they pay for all the costs
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: out of pocket. And they don't realize how the employers,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: the CEOs of those companies, don't realize how badly they're
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: getting ripped off. And so we're out there working on
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: new programs now so that those employers will figure it out.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: We're starting with my companies, and then we'll extend it
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: out to other companies.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just crazy that I feel like it just
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: needs overhauls of things, you know?
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: And it's not that hard. This is the easiest industry
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: I've ever disrupted. Because all we had to do was
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: publish our price list. Right. Because everybody else was hiding everything, right?
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: You talked before about shit happening behind the scenes.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you go into the doctor, you go into
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: the hospital, you sign something that says... I'm going to
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: pay whatever you charge me.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: And you assume they're going to charge you the amount
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: that– the fairest amount because they are a fucking hospital.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: They're supposed to take care of you.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: You would think so, right?
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: And then they don't. They charge you.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Because they want whatever they can.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: But why do they do that?
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Because they're getting fucked by the insurance companies. Got it. Right?
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: And they know that if you complain about the price,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: they'll reduce it. Right.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: So, but then you have to, you're already sick. Now
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: you have to spend the next 17 weeks of your life.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: Right, dealing with that shit, right?
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: Arguing with someone who's been trained how to argue against you.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly right. And that's what we're going to fuck up.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: In another country most of the time. Actually, some of
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: it's here. A lot of medical buildings here.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But then you- No, if you're calling in, yeah,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: and it's over there. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: But then they feel horrible. Then the person arguing against you,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: the person, the employee feels horrible because they know that
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: they're- They're fucking you over. They're fucking you over, but
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: they're just trying to make.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: Their money to go home and take care of their kids.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: The hospital has to have way too many employees to
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: deal with the insurance company. And the insurance company says, okay,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: we know this is what we're supposed to owe for
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: when Theo took his kid in there, right? But we're
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: not going to pay you the full amount. If you
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: don't like that, sue us. And then they sue them.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: So now they have to have a shitload of doctors, right?
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: So what we're saying is we're going to these places
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: and saying, we're going to do a contract. We're going
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: to do just cash, right? So there's no fucking around
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: with the insurance companies. And we're going to publish all
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: the contracts so that everybody can compare notes and figure
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: out the best way to do it. Yeah.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: Well, that was, I mean, there was an executive order
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: that said that they have to do that. Right. But
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: it's not being enforced.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: Well, they do a little bit, but like we said earlier,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: they've- Not.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: At a level where it's helping, where people are like,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: they should have a commercial. The government should buy a
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: commercial every week that runs a hundred times that says
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: right now you have to- Trump administration announced historic price
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: transparency requirements to increase competition and lower healthcare costs for
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: all Americans.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: So they said, I think, for 100 of the most- This.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Was something not good that Trump did.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: No, it was good. No, I'm not saying Trump did
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: everything bad, right? But this is one of the good
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: things he did. But yeah, this is one of the
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: things I think, back then it was 100 of the
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: top services. Now it's 500, I think. So it's growing?
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: It's growing. That has to do it. Right.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: But how do we enforce it that it's not being enforced?
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: Well, so it's not so much enforcing that, right? Because
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: if they put up shitty prices, it doesn't matter. If
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: you show prices that are too expensive for everybody, you know,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. And so you want to be able
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: to have the whole contract published so that everybody who's
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: responsible for paying not only sees that price, but how
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: it got to that price. And then people can create
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: software and apps and this and that that can truly
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: help you. Because most people do have some kind of insurance, right?
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: Like only 11% of people don't. Or they have high
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: deductible plans. And if you have a high deductible plan,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: you don't quite know what you're going to end up
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: paying out of pocket anyways, even if they tell you
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: that it's only $ 750 for the MRI or $ 250 for
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: the MRI. So that's an important part of it, but
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: it's that much of it.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just interesting. It's just tough that you have
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: to figure out how am I getting screwed all the time.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: It's brutal. It's brutal. But that's the opportunity for me. Right.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: Because Paul Rivera pills. That's good.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: Um, a couple of quick questions for you.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: Get out of here, man.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: Um, why did you sell the Mavs? Just so people know, um, kids, it.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: Was time more time with my family. Um, it was just,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: you know, and the fact that to compete, which probably
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: was as important to family in order for me to compete,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: you got to generate more revenues. And when it was
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: technology and media, I knew that shit cold. But now
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: it's like building casinos, building, you know, you see what
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: happens with the Titan Stadium and all the shit they
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: put around it, right? That's not me. I'm not a
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: real estate guy. And I don't want to have to learn.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: I don't want to have to put up $ 2 billion
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: to figure out if I'm doing it right or not.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: And so I brought in a great partner, Patrick Dumont,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: and the Adelson family, who are big Trump supporters. And
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: so they're just better at it than I am. And
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: so I thought that put the Mavs in a better position.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: And it didn't suck that I got all that money.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, selling it, you mean?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I still own 27% and I'm
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: still involved. Got it. It's a win-win.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Was there another team that you wanted to buy recently?
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: What about a WNBA team?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: No, not really because it was more about just spending
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: more time.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, so that's just another.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's a lot of pressure, right? Because if
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: I want to do it, I want to win, right?
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: And I still, like I said, I own 27% of
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: the Mavs. Right, that's fun. Yeah, that's still big time.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: That's enough fun. Yeah.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: How much did you pay in fines during your NBA time?
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: Three, four, five million. I have no idea.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: What was your biggest fine?
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Um, fuck. I think it was $ 600, 000. Um, so I
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: grew up, like I told you, I grew up in
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and my biggest basketball crush was Julius Irving, Dr. J.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: And so he had me, oh, wait, it was, oh,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: that was, you know, that was bigger, right? Okay. So
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: we rested these guys. Yeah. So I forgot about this one.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: And so the end of two seasons ago, we, we
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: weren't going to make the playoffs and we rested our
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: best players. And even though every other team had been
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: doing it, they fucked with me and fined me for
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: 750 grand. Damn.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: Because why? Because fans are coming. The best players should
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: be on the court.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: No, not necessarily. I mean, because like when a team
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: is bad, they will do what they can to get
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: a better draft pick because that's how you're going to
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: get good, right?
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: So we weren't going to do it. And they said
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: we waited too long, right? Like other teams might tank
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: halfway through the season. They might tank three quarters of
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: the way, but because we did it with three games left,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: they thought that was wrong. I was pissed when I
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: got that one. Dude, I would have been.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, I would have been pissed and sleeping outside.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: Because I would have been living outside then. Was there
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: one player you always wanted to get that you couldn't get?
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was like Shaq. Shaq was my guy.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: Shaq was like, come get me. Come get me. I
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: have a house in Dallas. Come get me. I tried Shaq.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: That would have been fascinating having Shaq over there. I've
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: heard you talk about crypto a lot. Do you think
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: it's a big part of our future or do you not?
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: I think it can be. I think we don't know
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: for sure yet. Okay. I think on one hand, Bitcoin
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: is like the new gold, right? Because it's easy to own.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: It's easy to use apps to deal with it and everything.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: And I think that's a huge plus as opposed to
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: gold where you've got, it's just more difficult to deal with.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: And ain't nobody going to carry a brick of gold, right?
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: If shit hits the fan, right? What are you gonna do? Hey,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: this is my gold. You know, it's not going to work.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: A couple brothers might actually, dude. I know one of
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: my dogs. Oh, really? Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: I know a couple dogs rolled around with a brick maybe,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: but yeah. But it's just going to create controversy.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: Different kind of brick. I'm talking about gold.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, people would be trying to attack you for it.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. So I see Bitcoin as having a good future, right?
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of good reasons. I think
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: Ethereum and some of the other ones are dependent on
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: the applications built around them. So like there's DeFi, which
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: has a real place so that people can easily trade,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: borrow loan money and make some money or save, you know,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: borrow money. I think that's been around a while and
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: that works okay, but it's kind of a stable app.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: But we really haven't seen that app that's like the
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: Instagram app, right? Like when iPhones first came out or
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: the App Store first came out, right? There was no
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: one app, right? Then Instagram came along, Snapchat came along,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: and then the App Store blew up, right? There was apps, apps, apps, apps.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: We haven't seen that one app that everybody has to use.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not for, yeah, for crypto. And when that happens,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: it'll make it a lot more common. Right. It's a
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: great point. I really thought about that. What's something on
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: the radars that nobody's seeing right now? People are talking
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: about AI and Ozempic prices and, you know, women selling
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: illegal Ozempic outside of vineyard vines and all.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: Kinds of stuff. Yeah, it's happening.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. And people are talking about the border and politics.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: But what's something that you think gets on your radar
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: that's like a big issue that nobody's talking about?
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: I think it's more AI than people realize. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: I think AI is going to go a lot further.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, as processing speeds go like that and the
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: capabilities of AI go like that, the context wins all
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: this other bullshit. Do you have a kid?
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: I don't have any children.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: No, I thought you had one.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: I will have one one day, but I don't have any.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: I got to get a wife. First things first, right? Yeah.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: And so like if you just had a kid tomorrow,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: let's just say, right? And you start collecting all the
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: videos and pictures and things. And over time, it turns
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: into emails and texts. You're going to put that all
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: in AI. And your little kid, when he's seven, eight
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: years old, is going to have an invisible friend that's
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: an AI.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: It's some crazy shit that's going to happen.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, because it'll be all the information you'd want him
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: to know or whatever you want.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, right? And can talk to you when
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: you're not there instead of them just going on Instagram
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: or whatever, Snapchat. It's going to be like.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: Like you could be, so say you could take like a,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: say there was like an orb that went in your
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: child's room, like an actual thing you plugged in, like
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: a thing, a fixture, and you could load in through
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: AI like, put in these 20 books, this orb should
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: have this knowledge.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: Of these 20 books. Yeah, it won't even be an orb.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: It'll be somebody that looks like a somebody.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying. So an actual figure,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: it could be even a hologram of someone. And if
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: my child has any questions, they can ask it.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: And now fast forward 40 years where you're taking all
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: the stuff about the child, right?
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: Right. And putting that information in as well so he'll
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: know how to best relate to the child.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: Right, or things he remembers, every memory he ever had. Right,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: I remember when we were at the park. Right, or,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: you know, when was that time I went with dad to,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: there he is, right?
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: And then when he hits 80 and dies or 100,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: let's say, and dies, right? You've got that fake little Joey, right?
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: Who just died and lives forever. It's going to be insane.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: So you'd be able to literally, as you're laying in
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: bed at night, you could turn your grandparents on on
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: the wall through some sort of a projector machine.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: And talk to them like they're still there. Wow. Or
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: a hologram. Yeah.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: It's going to be insane. Was there ever, I had
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: an invention, dude. Did you ever have an invention that
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: you wanted to get done, but you never.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: Had the time? Not really, because I'm not that creative.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm creative business-wise, but what's yours?
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: I used to think that they, like 15 years ago,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: I started thinking, well, what if they had, on your dashboard,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: you could put in something, like a CD or something,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: and on your dashboard... a hologram the band would perform
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: on your dashboard.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: It'd be a little bit of a distraction, but it's cool.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: It'd be a little distraction, but I just thought it'd
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: be so dope. And you can make it over by
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: the passenger just for them. But imagine if like a
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: little boost.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: And you can do that shit now. You can do
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: that shit now.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: That was one thing I thought. And then I thought
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: if they had a dog collars that... Because there's a
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: dog that kind of howls behind my house a lot.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: If you could synchronize them, you get the neighborhood or regional,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: you get them all the same color. Oh, that's a
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: cool idea. They synchronize and it makes them howl.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: Like a song. So you put that together and come
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: on Shark Tank then. But like organized, like, you know,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: they would do it like. So you know where he's
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: at by the, so that's cool, right? So if you
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: have a collar.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: Like that dog and another dog down the street, the
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: collar would have them both howl at the same time.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: So you would have almost like.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: The whole, like a little symphony of dogs. A symphony.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: That's funny as fuck, yeah. If you could do that regionally.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: So you say you're on the porch, you're relaxing with
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: your wife, you're sitting there in a swing. And you
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: could just program a little, you know, some Beethoven and
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: all the hounds started heating up.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: That was a thought that I had. Right before you go,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: if there's a young guy who's out there, what's the
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: best advice you would look back and honestly give yourself?
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: I know it's such a generic question, but we have
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of young men who listen to our podcast.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: who are curious about what's something they can do to
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: hedge their bets for the future and to best take
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: care of themselves?
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: I think I was the same way. You always think, oh,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: this is not the job, right? This is not where
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: I want to be. And I got fired or quit
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: or did a bunch of jobs, right? And I think
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: if I were going to do that again, I would
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: try to be a lot... I'd try to be really
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: good at all those jobs, right? Because... A, when you
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: get really good at something, that opens up doors for you, right?
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: Even if you're flipping burgers, right? If you're the best
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: at it, someone's going to recognize it, right? And if
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: it's not the boss you have right there and then,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: like dude fires you or whatever, you're still going to
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: be good for the next one, right?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: And when you learn how to be good at something,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: then you can learn how to be good at other things.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: And then, because the hard part really is finding something
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: that you love to do that you can be great at, right?
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: Because you never thought you'd be doing podcasting, right? No.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: And you're great at it, but once you find it, right,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: that's when the shit happens.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It took me years to figure it out.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: It takes all of us years to figure it out, right?
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: Right, and give yourself some grace that you're figuring it out.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: You don't have to figure out shit when you're 18, 19, 20, 21, 22.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: You don't know shit.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: Just don't get somebody pregnant and have fun.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. Don't get thrown in jail. Yeah, don't
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: do shit that's going to, you know, hold you back, right? But,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: you know, and then I'd add, be curious, right? Because
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: the more you learn, the more doors open up for you.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: Be agile, right? Be able to... you know, bob and
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: weave when shit hits you, right? Because it's going to,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: you know. And again, if you just can find something
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: you can be really good at, no matter what it is,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: nobody quits anything they're really good at. That's a great line.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: Because that's when you get the satisfaction. I'm the best
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: motherfucking whatever it is, right? And somebody's going to want
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: to pay me because I'm the best. Yeah.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and somebody will in a lot of, yeah, like,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: because once you start having employees, you start looking for
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: better employees in different spots. And then I bet it
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: becomes a problem, people trying to poach your employees. Has
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: that ever happened?
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. And you just got to,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: you know, try to connect with them better. And I mean, look,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: I'm horrible at hiring people. And so I always try
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: to get somebody who's good at it because I'm a softie, right? Theo, yeah, it's,
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: you know, Theo sells me on why he wants to,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: you'll be great, Theo. And then, you know.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard you say in an interview one time,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: you said, get on the job, learn it for three months,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: do the, be the best fucking person at it. And
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: then at six months, if you are the killer at it,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: it might've been a sales job, but go into your
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: boss and say, I need a higher percentage or I'm
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: going to go do this on my own.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah. Right.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: So you need to get, it's a good strategy.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: It's good.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: It's just good to have that mindset. If you work hard,
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: you can figure it out.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: And if you can learn to sell, you always have
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: a job.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, selling's so hard.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: It's not, though. I started selling when I was like
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: 12 years old.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: Then you have it. Yeah. And I always looked at
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: it like, okay, I'm just trying to help somebody. Whatever
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: I got, like I sold garbage bags door to door.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: I sold magazines. And I remember- Theo, look, I'm selling
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: you all these five magazines for $ 10 a month. When
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: you tell your wife you spent $ 10 a month on
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: the education and enjoyment of your entire family that puts
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: them in a position to get better grades at school,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: you know she's going to thank you for it. Let's
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: sign that shit up. So if you just look at
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: it as helping somebody— That's a good point. Yeah, that's
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: a good point. If you don't think of it as
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: I'm selling, if you believe in what you're selling too,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: it probably helps. Yeah, that sure helps, right?
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: You should sell a full alphabet up to people in Pittsburgh, dude,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: because they're only using half of it up there. Yeah,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: I love it. There's people up there only using half
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: of it. Rumor you wanted to buy Fox News.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: Is that going to happen? No, that was all bullshit, right?
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: It was? Yeah. Somebody asked me, if you could, would
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: you buy X or Fox News? I'm like, I can't
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: afford it, but if I could, I would. But yeah,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying. No, that's bullshit.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: There's a rumor that you wanted to build an entire
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: city in Dallas, like a new city from scratch.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: No, no, I bought a city. Oh, you bought a city?
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: I bought a town called Mustang, Texas. If you got
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: any ideas, they'll bring them on.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: Really? You got a whole city over there?
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: I got a whole town. It's not a city, it's
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: a town. It's got like no people, right? But it's
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: like 75 square miles, or acres rather. I got it.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: A dude I played basketball with was dying of cancer
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: and said that his only real asset was this town.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: It's the only personally owned town in the state and
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: one of the few in the country. And like old,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: old friend. And I'm like, okay, Marty, I'll buy it
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: from you. So it was like $ 1. 9 million. So now
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: I own my own town. One of my other basketball
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: buddies is like the mayor and goes down there and
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: keeps it up to date and everything. So if you
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: got any ideas... And people live there or it's empty? No,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: it's pretty much empty. It is? Yeah. There used to
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: be a strip club that burned down and then we
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: tore all that down. Wow.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: Do you lease it out for movie sets right now?
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: I would, but I haven't really tried.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: Right. You got to get it figured out.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to keep that in mind. What would I
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: do with a dang town?
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: It's your daughter's birthday coming up?
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: Coming up. Yeah.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: Nice. How old is she going to be?
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: She's going to be 21. No. 21 in Nashville. It's
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: going to be brutal.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: Do you feel a responsibility to throw a big party
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: for her?
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah?
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: That's where I'm taking advantage of what I can take
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: advantage of. So it's a little bit spoiling her, but
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: she deserves it.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: What's something you really love about her?
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: She's just got a great spirit. She's feisty as hell.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: She's smart. She's loving. And she's got a sarcastic sense
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: of humor, so she's always giving me shit, right? Yeah.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: Which is cool. I like that.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody's got to give Mark Cuban shit. Somebody's got
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: to give us all shit.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: But that's what they say. That's what my kids always say.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: Someone's got to give you shit. So that's all they
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: do is give me shit. Yeah, that's a pretty generic
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: first statement too. Like, well, it doesn't have to be you. Right?
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: Not my family. Oh my God. Dad, you're the worst driver. Dad,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: you're the worst this. Dad, you're the worst that. Oh
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: my God. I got to tell you, I enjoyed this.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: This is totally different than any other interview I've ever done. Really?
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, thanks, man. Really enjoyed it. Yeah.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: Well, it's cool to hear that you like being a dad, Mark.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Mark Cuban. Thank you so much for
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: your time.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Theo. Really appreciate it.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: Cornerstone oh but when i reach that ground i'll share
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: this piece of mind i found i can feel it
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: in my bones