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- 0:00Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, a young man was driving
- 0:02Speaker 1: along a dirt road in a forest when he spotted
- 0:05Speaker 1: up ahead this large, strange looking animal that he didn't
- 0:09Speaker 1: recognize that appeared to be dead on the side of
- 0:12Speaker 1: the road, and so curious what it was, he drove
- 0:14Speaker 1: past the dead animal, and he stopped his car and
- 0:17Speaker 1: he got out and began walking back up the road
- 0:20Speaker 1: towards the animal to see what it was. And when
- 0:22Speaker 1: he got right on top of it, he crouched down
- 0:24Speaker 1: to get a better look, and as he did, he
- 0:27Speaker 1: heard the sound of something moving behind him, and then
- 0:29Speaker 1: before he could turn around, everything went black. But before
- 0:33Speaker 1: we get into today's story, if you're a fan of
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- 1:02Speaker 1: today's story. In two thousand and eight, twenty two year
- 1:22Speaker 1: old Julian Buckwald was living in a small rural town
- 1:26Speaker 1: in southern Australia called Budgery. He lived there with his parents,
- 1:29Speaker 1: who owned a small house on a massive twelve hundred
- 1:32Speaker 1: acre plot of land, which for reference, is about two
- 1:36Speaker 1: square miles. However, this land was made up mostly of
- 1:40Speaker 1: thick brush and forested areas, so for the most part
- 1:43Speaker 1: they just stayed close to their actual house. However, there
- 1:46Speaker 1: was a waterfall deep into the woods on their property
- 1:50Speaker 1: that periodically they would go to visit. Less than a
- 1:52Speaker 1: twenty minute drive north of Budgery was another small rural
- 1:56Speaker 1: town called Churchill, and in that town was Julian's gulf,
- 2:00Speaker 1: seventeen year old Carolyn Watson, who also lived with her parents.
- 2:04Speaker 1: The young couple had met two years earlier at the
- 2:07Speaker 1: church they both went to. They were both very devout
- 2:09Speaker 1: Christians and their plan was to get married the next
- 2:13Speaker 1: year when Carolyn turned eighteen and was done with her studies.
- 2:16Speaker 1: On Tuesday, March fourth of that year, Julian and Carolyn
- 2:20Speaker 1: decided to go out and have a picnic lunch at
- 2:23Speaker 1: the waterfall on Julian's family's property. So early that afternoon,
- 2:27Speaker 1: Julian left his house. He hopped in the family car.
- 2:30Speaker 1: He drove north to Churchill. He picked up Carolyn, and
- 2:33Speaker 1: then he drove her back to his family's property, where
- 2:36Speaker 1: he turned onto a dirt road that would take them
- 2:38Speaker 1: into the forest to the waterfall. At some point along
- 2:42Speaker 1: this short bumpy road through the forest, Julian was looking
- 2:45Speaker 1: out ahead of the car when he spotted what looked
- 2:48Speaker 1: like roadkill on the side of the road. And this
- 2:51Speaker 1: roadkill it looked bigger than he was used to seeing
- 2:54Speaker 1: in this area, and so he stared at it as
- 2:57Speaker 1: the car kind of rolled past it. And right after
- 3:00Speaker 1: they had driven past the roadkill, he turned to Carolyn
- 3:03Speaker 1: and said, you know, hey, there's some really weird roadkill
- 3:05Speaker 1: on the side of the road right over there. And
- 3:07Speaker 1: so Caroline, who really didn't care, she kind of slowly
- 3:09Speaker 1: looked up and turned around and looked, but she didn't
- 3:12Speaker 1: see it. And then after that the two of them
- 3:14Speaker 1: did not discuss the roadkill any further, and so Julian
- 3:17Speaker 1: just continued to drive along this dirt road until the
- 3:20Speaker 1: road kind of opened up into this big clearing, and
- 3:23Speaker 1: in the middle of this clearing, which was basically this field,
- 3:26Speaker 1: there was a small pond with a ten foot high
- 3:29Speaker 1: waterfall feeding into it. This was the waterfall, and so
- 3:32Speaker 1: Julian parked the car right at the end of the
- 3:34Speaker 1: dirt road, right on the edge of this clearing, and
- 3:37Speaker 1: he and Carolyn got out. They went around to the
- 3:39Speaker 1: back of the car. They got their picnic supplies out
- 3:41Speaker 1: of the trunk, and they set up their picnic lunch
- 3:44Speaker 1: right on the edge of this pond, looking up at
- 3:46Speaker 1: this waterfall. And they were there for about an hour,
- 3:49Speaker 1: just kind of enjoying each other's company. And then around
- 3:51Speaker 1: two thirty PM, they realized it was time to go
- 3:54Speaker 1: because they had told their family they'd be back by three,
- 3:56Speaker 1: and so they packed up all of their picnic stuff.
- 3:58Speaker 1: They went back to the car, put it back in
- 4:00Speaker 1: the trunk. They hopped back inside the car, Julian turned
- 4:03Speaker 1: it on, he turned the car around, and they began
- 4:06Speaker 1: driving back down the dirt road that had brought them in.
- 4:09Speaker 1: And as soon as they began driving down this road,
- 4:12Speaker 1: Julian remembered the strange roadkill he had seen on their
- 4:16Speaker 1: way in and he decided that he wanted to stop
- 4:19Speaker 1: and get out and actually go up to it. And
- 4:21Speaker 1: so as they're driving along, he looks over at Carolyn
- 4:23Speaker 1: and says, hey, do you mind if I stopped the
- 4:25Speaker 1: car when I see the roadkill so I can go
- 4:28Speaker 1: look at it. Carolyn looked at him, and she's like, okay,
- 4:31Speaker 1: but remember we have to be back by three pm.
- 4:33Speaker 1: That's what we told our families, so please be quick.
- 4:36Speaker 1: And so Julian said, no problem, and so he continued
- 4:38Speaker 1: driving along, scanning for this roadkill. But after driving for
- 4:42Speaker 1: several minutes, he had not found the roadkill yet, and
- 4:45Speaker 1: he started to become worried that he had just driven
- 4:47Speaker 1: past it without realizing it, and so he stopped the car.
- 4:51Speaker 1: They're pretty close to the end of the STRT road.
- 4:53Speaker 1: They're almost back to Julian's property, but he stops the
- 4:56Speaker 1: car right in the middle of the STRT road and
- 4:58Speaker 1: he turns to Carolyn and says, hey, you know, I
- 5:00Speaker 1: think I drove past it. Do you mind if I
- 5:02Speaker 1: just hop out and run back? And so Carolyn was
- 5:05Speaker 1: totally annoyed that this road kill viewing was really becoming
- 5:08Speaker 1: quite involved, but she says, okay, go but again, you
- 5:11Speaker 1: got to be quick, because you know, it's almost three pm.
- 5:14Speaker 1: And so Julian kind of grinned at her. He put
- 5:16Speaker 1: the car in park, and he hopped out. He turned
- 5:19Speaker 1: and he began jogging back down the road in the
- 5:21Speaker 1: direction of the waterfall. And after jogging for maybe thirty
- 5:24Speaker 1: seconds or so, the road had turned to the right,
- 5:27Speaker 1: and so from where he was on the road, if
- 5:29Speaker 1: he turned around, he would not have been able to
- 5:32Speaker 1: see his car or Carolyn. He was kind of deep
- 5:34Speaker 1: in the thick of this forest. But he knew, you know,
- 5:37Speaker 1: this road is not very long, and so I'm sure
- 5:40Speaker 1: the roadkill has got to be up here somewhere. And
- 5:43Speaker 1: so he decided he would just continue running along back
- 5:45Speaker 1: along this road for maybe one or two more minutes,
- 5:48Speaker 1: and if he didn't find the road kill by then,
- 5:50Speaker 1: he just have to give up, turnaround and head back
- 5:53Speaker 1: to the car. And so he began jogging, continuing towards
- 5:56Speaker 1: the waterfall on the s dirt road, and sure enough,
- 5:58Speaker 1: after about a minute, he spots off to the side
- 6:01Speaker 1: the road kill, and so he runs up to it,
- 6:03Speaker 1: and right away he sees it's this huge animal that's
- 6:06Speaker 1: right on the side of the road, there was a
- 6:08Speaker 1: branch from a tree that had kind of obscured the
- 6:10Speaker 1: carcass a little bit, and he figured that's why on
- 6:13Speaker 1: the return trip he hadn't seen it, because this branch
- 6:15Speaker 1: was kind of blocking it from view, and so standing
- 6:18Speaker 1: over it still not even sure what it is, he
- 6:20Speaker 1: reached down and he moved the branch, the tree branch
- 6:23Speaker 1: out of the way to get a better look at
- 6:25Speaker 1: this big, dead animal, and right as he did that,
- 6:28Speaker 1: everything went black. A few minutes later, Carolyn, who was
- 6:32Speaker 1: still sitting in the car waiting for her boyfriend to
- 6:34Speaker 1: come back, looked at her watch and realized it was
- 6:36Speaker 1: getting really close to three pm and still Julian was
- 6:40Speaker 1: not back yet, and so, feeling kind of annoyed with him,
- 6:42Speaker 1: she sat up in her seat and turned around and
- 6:45Speaker 1: looked out the rear window of the car, expecting to
- 6:48Speaker 1: see Julian come bounding down the road toward her. But
- 6:51Speaker 1: when she looked out the back window, all she saw
- 6:54Speaker 1: was this dirt road that kind of bent off to
- 6:56Speaker 1: the right out of view, and thick trees everywhere. Her
- 6:59Speaker 1: boyfriend is nowhere to be seen. Annoyed, she turned back
- 7:02Speaker 1: around and sat facing forward again, but began periodically looking
- 7:06Speaker 1: in the side view mirror, expecting Julian to pop up
- 7:09Speaker 1: at any moment. But after several more minutes went by
- 7:12Speaker 1: and still Julian had not come back yet, her annoyance
- 7:16Speaker 1: turned into concern. You know, was Julian actually okay? And
- 7:20Speaker 1: so she decided, you know, it's almost three pm. Now
- 7:22Speaker 1: we got to get back. I need to get out
- 7:24Speaker 1: and actually go investigate and see what's going on with
- 7:27Speaker 1: Julian and this roadkill. And so she opened her car door,
- 7:30Speaker 1: she stepped outside, she stood up, She turned, and she
- 7:33Speaker 1: looked down the road in the direction it turned to
- 7:36Speaker 1: the right, towards the waterfall, and she froze because there
- 7:39Speaker 1: was something standing right in the middle of the road
- 7:42Speaker 1: that her brain simply couldn't process. She wanted to turn
- 7:46Speaker 1: and run, She wanted to scream for help, but she couldn't.
- 7:49Speaker 1: She was just frozen with fear, staring at this thing
- 7:53Speaker 1: in the middle of the road. And then seconds later,
- 7:55Speaker 1: this thing that she saw in the road began moving
- 7:58Speaker 1: toward her. Around at three point thirty pm that day,
- 8:02Speaker 1: Julian's mother, who was at the house, realized her son
- 8:05Speaker 1: had still not come back from his picnic and this
- 8:08Speaker 1: was very unlike him. He was extremely punctual, and so
- 8:11Speaker 1: she stepped out onto the front porch to wait for him.
- 8:14Speaker 1: But after waiting on the front porch for thirty minutes
- 8:16Speaker 1: and him not showing up again, she got really concerned,
- 8:20Speaker 1: and so she left the porch and went down onto
- 8:22Speaker 1: their driveway, and their driveway extended right up to the
- 8:25Speaker 1: main road that ran along the front of the house,
- 8:28Speaker 1: and when she reached the top of her driveway, she
- 8:31Speaker 1: just turned and watched down the main road, waiting for
- 8:34Speaker 1: her son to come back, because in order to get
- 8:36Speaker 1: to the waterfall, you had to get on this main
- 8:39Speaker 1: road and then turn onto that dirt road that was
- 8:41Speaker 1: a little ways down this main road, and so she's
- 8:44Speaker 1: just standing there looking down the road waiting for her son,
- 8:47Speaker 1: but he's still not coming out of that dirt road.
- 8:50Speaker 1: And as she's looking in this direction, she happens to
- 8:52Speaker 1: glance along the chain link fence that ran along the
- 8:56Speaker 1: front of her property, and she noticed there was a
- 8:59Speaker 1: plastic bottle that had been jammed through one of the
- 9:01Speaker 1: chain links, and so she decided she would just go
- 9:04Speaker 1: over and see what it was, because it didn't make
- 9:06Speaker 1: any sense that there would be a bottle in her fence,
- 9:08Speaker 1: and so she walks over. She pulls the bottle out
- 9:11Speaker 1: of the fence, and she realizes there is a tightly
- 9:13Speaker 1: rolled piece of paper that's inside of the bottle, and
- 9:16Speaker 1: so she unscrews the cap. She turns the bottle over
- 9:19Speaker 1: and she pours this little piece of paper out. She
- 9:21Speaker 1: unfurls the piece of paper and sees there's writing on it,
- 9:25Speaker 1: and as she's reading it, her heart starts to race
- 9:27Speaker 1: and she covers her mouth. This note was clearly intended
- 9:31Speaker 1: for her to read, or someone in the family to
- 9:34Speaker 1: read that day, because it was about what happened to
- 9:38Speaker 1: Julian and Carolyn that day. The note, which was covered
- 9:42Speaker 1: in all these strange satanic symbols and was barely understandable
- 9:46Speaker 1: because the grammar and spelling was so terrible, it generally
- 9:50Speaker 1: communicated that Julian and Carolyn, who they called the Boy
- 9:54Speaker 1: and the Girl, had been kidnapped, and so long as
- 9:58Speaker 1: the family did not come contact police, they the boy
- 10:02Speaker 1: and the girl, Julian and Carolyn would be returned. It
- 10:05Speaker 1: didn't really specify what they were going to do to them,
- 10:08Speaker 1: and there was no ransom. It basically just said you
- 10:10Speaker 1: better not tell police or else. Well, Julian's mother was terrified.
- 10:15Speaker 1: She had no idea what to do. And despite this
- 10:18Speaker 1: threat of some sort of harm to her, to her children,
- 10:21Speaker 1: to her family if she went to police, she still
- 10:24Speaker 1: called the police. And so the police they came out
- 10:26Speaker 1: to her property. They inspected the note and right away
- 10:29Speaker 1: they noticed at the bottom of the note it was
- 10:31Speaker 1: signed with the INITIALSNA, And so those initials, combined with
- 10:36Speaker 1: these strange satanic symbols all over it led police to
- 10:40Speaker 1: discover who Ona was. Ona was a cult. It was
- 10:44Speaker 1: the Order of Nine Angles, and they are a self
- 10:47Speaker 1: professed satanic cult that operates primarily in Europe, but also
- 10:52Speaker 1: has chapters in the United States, in Canada and Russia,
- 10:55Speaker 1: and also in Australia. This cult believes that Christians are
- 11:00Speaker 1: the enemy of the world and they need to be
- 11:02Speaker 1: destroyed in order to institute a militaristic new world order
- 11:07Speaker 1: they called the Imperium. And if that wasn't frightening enough,
- 11:11Speaker 1: this cult openly advocates for and apparently practices human sacrifice.
- 11:17Speaker 1: They have come out and said the people they kill
- 11:19Speaker 1: in these sacrifices are people they consider lesser than's. Basically,
- 11:24Speaker 1: the bad people of society. And if you are an
- 11:28Speaker 1: ONA cult member, then who better to sacrifice than Julian
- 11:33Speaker 1: and Carolyn, two devout Christians and so two clear enemies
- 11:38Speaker 1: of the ONA. Now, at first, when the police saw
- 11:41Speaker 1: this note and kind of put this together, they're thinking
- 11:44Speaker 1: this has got to be a prank. I mean, Carolyn
- 11:46Speaker 1: and Julian have only been gone for a couple of
- 11:49Speaker 1: hours at this point, and all we have is this
- 11:51Speaker 1: note in a bottle stuck into the fence. This does
- 11:53Speaker 1: not seem like some huge conspiracy of a cult coming
- 11:57Speaker 1: in here and snatching these kids to commit some human
- 11:59Speaker 1: ssace sacrifice. But when Carolyn's parents found out about this
- 12:03Speaker 1: note and how they were still missing, they would tell
- 12:06Speaker 1: the police. Ten days ago, we received a letter in
- 12:09Speaker 1: the mail that had strange satanic symbols all over it,
- 12:13Speaker 1: and it really didn't make any sense. It basically was
- 12:15Speaker 1: threatening them not to go to police. But ten days
- 12:19Speaker 1: ago they had no reason to go to police, and
- 12:21Speaker 1: so they just didn't really understand why they received this
- 12:25Speaker 1: message or who had sent it, and so they had
- 12:27Speaker 1: just kind of dismissed it and not told anyone. But
- 12:29Speaker 1: now with these two notes looking nearly identical. It seemed
- 12:33Speaker 1: fairly obvious that whether it was the Ona or some
- 12:36Speaker 1: other person or group, whoever was behind the kidnapping of
- 12:40Speaker 1: Julian and Carolyn had clearly been watching both of their
- 12:44Speaker 1: properties prior to the attack, which meant this was likely
- 12:48Speaker 1: a more sophisticated kidnapping than it seemed. So that evening
- 12:52Speaker 1: the police launched this huge air and land search all
- 12:56Speaker 1: over Julian's family's property, but despite looking everywhere, they found
- 13:00Speaker 1: no sign of the young couple. There was just nothing.
- 13:03Speaker 1: And over the next few days, when still there was
- 13:06Speaker 1: just no sign of Julian or Carolyn, and there was
- 13:10Speaker 1: no more word coming in from Ona, there were no
- 13:12Speaker 1: more bottles stuck in fences or stuck in mailboxes, the
- 13:15Speaker 1: police began to prepare for the worst. Then something totally
- 13:20Speaker 1: unexpected happened. On March eleventh, so seven days after Carolyn
- 13:24Speaker 1: and Julian went missing, a farmer was driving along this
- 13:28Speaker 1: winding back road up in the mountains right near Alpine
- 13:31Speaker 1: National Park. Alpine National Park is this very rugged, mountainous
- 13:34Speaker 1: place that's about two hundred and fifty miles to the
- 13:37Speaker 1: north of Budgery. And so as this guy is driving
- 13:40Speaker 1: along this road, which is very heavily forested on either side.
- 13:43Speaker 1: He sees up ahead, this young man and young woman
- 13:46Speaker 1: who were barely wearing any clothes, comes stumbling out of
- 13:49Speaker 1: the forest and kind of plopped down on the side
- 13:51Speaker 1: of the road, and so concerned they're hurt or they're
- 13:54Speaker 1: lost or something. The farmer rolled right up next to them,
- 13:57Speaker 1: and he rolled his window down and asked, you, hey,
- 13:59Speaker 1: are you guys okay? And they got up and they
- 14:01Speaker 1: kind of stumbled their way over to the car, and
- 14:03Speaker 1: they introduced themselves as Carolyn and Julian, and they pleaded
- 14:07Speaker 1: for his help, and so the farmer helped them into
- 14:09Speaker 1: his car and he drove them to the hospital. It
- 14:11Speaker 1: wasn't long before the police in Budgery learned that Carolyn
- 14:15Speaker 1: and Julian had been found and they were alive, and
- 14:18Speaker 1: so very quickly they rushed up to that hospital near
- 14:21Speaker 1: the National Park. And when they got there they spoke
- 14:23Speaker 1: to doctors who would say, you know, Carolyn and Julian
- 14:26Speaker 1: are very traumatized. They're horribly sunburned, they're covered in bug bites,
- 14:30Speaker 1: they got cuts and bruises all over them, but they're okay.
- 14:33Speaker 1: They're going to survive and so the police went into
- 14:36Speaker 1: Julian and Carolyn's room, and at first, you know, they
- 14:39Speaker 1: just talked them for a couple of minutes to really
- 14:40Speaker 1: see that they were okay, and after feeling pretty confident
- 14:43Speaker 1: that they were, they said, look, you know, I don't
- 14:46Speaker 1: mean to just jump right into the trauma you've just experienced,
- 14:49Speaker 1: but we really need any information you can give us
- 14:53Speaker 1: about what just happened, Who did this to you, who
- 14:55Speaker 1: brought you out here? Because if it's Ona and they're
- 14:59Speaker 1: out in the Alpine National Park, we need to know
- 15:01Speaker 1: about it. We need to get out there and we
- 15:03Speaker 1: need to stop them. And so Julian and Carolyn would
- 15:06Speaker 1: both independently sit down and tell the police what happened
- 15:09Speaker 1: to them. And so the following is the combined story
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- 16:38Speaker 1: account that both Julian and Carolyn gave to police seven
- 16:42Speaker 1: days earlier, when Julian had gotten out of the car
- 16:45Speaker 1: and ran back down the road to that dead animal
- 16:47Speaker 1: on the side of the road, and he had reached
- 16:49Speaker 1: down to kind of get that branch out of the
- 16:51Speaker 1: way to get a better look at this thing. He
- 16:53Speaker 1: heard sudden movements behind him, and as he turned, he
- 16:56Speaker 1: didn't have a chance to see what was behind him,
- 16:58Speaker 1: but he felt something hard smash him in the back
- 17:01Speaker 1: of the head, and it knocked him unconscious. When he
- 17:03Speaker 1: woke up, he knew right away that a significant amount
- 17:06Speaker 1: of time had passed, that he had been unconscious for
- 17:09Speaker 1: what must have been several hours, because now it was
- 17:12Speaker 1: dark out, and when he was struck it was broad daylight.
- 17:15Speaker 1: And he looked around him and he had no idea
- 17:17Speaker 1: where he was. He was in the middle of this forest.
- 17:20Speaker 1: He had no clothes on, his wrists and his ankles
- 17:22Speaker 1: were tied together, and he moved around and he realized
- 17:25Speaker 1: he had been tied to a tree that was right
- 17:27Speaker 1: behind him. And so he's got no idea what's going on.
- 17:30Speaker 1: He has no idea where he is. He's looking around,
- 17:33Speaker 1: he doesn't see anyone, and then, amazingly, when he looks down,
- 17:36Speaker 1: right next to him, underneath some leaves is a knife,
- 17:40Speaker 1: and so he's thinking, you know, how in the world
- 17:42Speaker 1: is there a knife right next to me. This almost
- 17:43Speaker 1: seems like it was placed to be here for me,
- 17:46Speaker 1: but either way, you know, he reaches down with his hands,
- 17:48Speaker 1: he picks this knife up, and he's able to cut
- 17:51Speaker 1: the restraints off of his ankles, and then he's able
- 17:53Speaker 1: to cut the restraints off of his waist, and then
- 17:56Speaker 1: he stands up and he's able to kind of cut
- 17:57Speaker 1: off the ones on his wrist and then he's free.
- 18:00Speaker 1: And so he takes this knife, and he has no
- 18:02Speaker 1: idea where he's going, but he needs to get away.
- 18:04Speaker 1: He doesn't know if whoever brought him here is going
- 18:06Speaker 1: to come back, and so he just picks a direction
- 18:09Speaker 1: and he starts running. Shortly after Julian had been struck
- 18:13Speaker 1: in the back of the head. After looking at that
- 18:15Speaker 1: dead animal carcass, Carolyn was still sitting in the car
- 18:18Speaker 1: and she was starting to get annoyed and kind of
- 18:20Speaker 1: worried about Julian, and so she gets out of the car.
- 18:23Speaker 1: She stands up, she turns, and she looks down the
- 18:26Speaker 1: dirt road where it kind of bends off to the right,
- 18:28Speaker 1: and standing in the road, maybe ten feet away from her,
- 18:32Speaker 1: is this man wearing all black. He's got a black
- 18:35Speaker 1: ballaklava over his face and he's looking right at her,
- 18:38Speaker 1: and so she's so scared she just froze into the spot.
- 18:41Speaker 1: And then this guy charges her. He tackles her to
- 18:43Speaker 1: the ground, and then once she's on the ground, he
- 18:46Speaker 1: rips all her clothes off, and then he binds her
- 18:49Speaker 1: wrists her angles. He ties them together, so she's hogtied,
- 18:52Speaker 1: and then he puts a blindfold around her eyes. And
- 18:54Speaker 1: so she's lying on the road. She can't move, she
- 18:57Speaker 1: can't see anything, and she hears her attacker run off
- 19:00Speaker 1: down the road, and then a couple of minutes later,
- 19:02Speaker 1: she hears a car approaching and it stops right near her,
- 19:05Speaker 1: and then she hears the sound of a car door opening,
- 19:07Speaker 1: someone walking up to her, and then they pick her
- 19:09Speaker 1: up and they put her in the trunk of this car.
- 19:12Speaker 1: They shut the trunk, and then the car kicks into
- 19:14Speaker 1: gear and it starts driving away. And so for hours
- 19:17Speaker 1: and hours she lay in the trunk in this horrible
- 19:20Speaker 1: position where the circulation to her wrists until her ankles
- 19:24Speaker 1: were cut off, and so she's getting shooting pain in
- 19:26Speaker 1: her limbs and it's totally uncomfortable. And then after several hours,
- 19:30Speaker 1: the car eventually turns onto some really bumpy road and
- 19:34Speaker 1: then it comes to a stop, and then she hears
- 19:36Speaker 1: the sound of the driver open the door. They walk
- 19:39Speaker 1: around to the back of the car. The trunk pops open,
- 19:41Speaker 1: and then this person pulls the blindfold off of her
- 19:44Speaker 1: eyes and she sees, even though her eyes are taken
- 19:46Speaker 1: a second to adjust, that it's the man with the
- 19:49Speaker 1: bolaklava on and he picks her up and he throws
- 19:52Speaker 1: her on the ground, and then after he shuts the trunk,
- 19:54Speaker 1: he walks over to Carolyn and he grabs her by
- 19:57Speaker 1: the wrists and he begins dragging her into the woods.
- 20:00Speaker 1: And so as she's being dragged, Carolyn is thinking, I'm
- 20:03Speaker 1: about to be killed somewhere in the middle of the woods.
- 20:05Speaker 1: There's nothing I can do. I can't go anywhere, I
- 20:07Speaker 1: can't do anything. And after several minutes of being dragged,
- 20:10Speaker 1: she gets dropped. And then this man with the balaclava
- 20:13Speaker 1: he walks back to the car and he gets a
- 20:15Speaker 1: shovel and when he walks over to her, he makes
- 20:17Speaker 1: a special point of showing her the shovel, and then
- 20:19Speaker 1: he rolls her onto her side, so she's positioned in
- 20:22Speaker 1: such a way that she can see what he's doing.
- 20:25Speaker 1: And then right in front of her, he takes that
- 20:27Speaker 1: shovel and he begins digging a hole in the ground.
- 20:30Speaker 1: And so Caroline's watching him, and she's thinking, he's digging
- 20:33Speaker 1: my grave. And so for several hours Carolyn just laid
- 20:36Speaker 1: there wondering what was going to happen to her, as
- 20:38Speaker 1: this guy dug this hole deeper and deeper into the ground.
- 20:41Speaker 1: And then finally, when the hole was apparently deep enough,
- 20:44Speaker 1: the guy got out of the hole, he dumped the shovel,
- 20:46Speaker 1: he walked over to her, he picked her up, and
- 20:49Speaker 1: he threw her into the hole. And so Carolyne at
- 20:51Speaker 1: this point is literally anticipating death at any moment. She
- 20:54Speaker 1: doesn't know how he's going to kill her, but she
- 20:56Speaker 1: thinks it's going to happen any minute, and so she
- 20:58Speaker 1: wriggles herself onto her knees and does the only things
- 21:01Speaker 1: she can think to do, which is just to pray.
- 21:04Speaker 1: And so as she's sitting there kneeling and praying, she
- 21:07Speaker 1: hears the sound of her attacker walking off. Now the
- 21:11Speaker 1: hole was deep enough that she actually could not see
- 21:13Speaker 1: where he was going. But she could clearly tell he
- 21:16Speaker 1: was walking away. It was almost like her prayer had
- 21:19Speaker 1: been answered that this guy was going to leave her alone.
- 21:21Speaker 1: But even with this guy potentially gone, she was still
- 21:25Speaker 1: in a perilous situation because she's stuck in this hole.
- 21:28Speaker 1: She can't go anywhere, she's still tied up, and the
- 21:31Speaker 1: temperatures are dropping rapidly, and she's got no clothes on.
- 21:35Speaker 1: After Julian had managed to free himself from his restraints
- 21:38Speaker 1: with that knife that he found, and after he had
- 21:41Speaker 1: turned and just started running in a general direction, he
- 21:44Speaker 1: had begun yelling out for help. He knew that by
- 21:47Speaker 1: yelling out he very likely could be alerting the person
- 21:50Speaker 1: who had brought him here. But he's thinking, it's freezing,
- 21:53Speaker 1: I don't have clothes on. I have to get help
- 21:55Speaker 1: right now, and maybe Carolyn is out there, and so
- 21:58Speaker 1: he's just kind of yelling out for help, and at
- 22:01Speaker 1: some point a voice yells back to him, and it's
- 22:04Speaker 1: a voice he knows very well. It's Carolyn. And so
- 22:07Speaker 1: in the darkness, he's kind of fumbling through all the
- 22:09Speaker 1: trees and he's listening for Carolyn's voice, and finally he
- 22:12Speaker 1: reaches her and he finds her in this hole hogtide,
- 22:15Speaker 1: screaming out for him, and so there's this moment where
- 22:18Speaker 1: he kind of explains what happened to him, and she's
- 22:20Speaker 1: trying to explain what happened to her. But they're just
- 22:22Speaker 1: so scared that this attacker is going to come back
- 22:25Speaker 1: that Julian just hops into the hole. He cuts the restraints,
- 22:28Speaker 1: and then Julian helps Carolyn out of the hole. And
- 22:30Speaker 1: at this point Carolyn can barely walk because the circulation
- 22:33Speaker 1: had been cut off for the most part to her
- 22:36Speaker 1: legs for the better part of six seven eight hours
- 22:38Speaker 1: at this point. But still they're desperate to get out
- 22:41Speaker 1: of here, so Julian's kind of holding Carolyn up and
- 22:43Speaker 1: they begin to walk away from this hole site. And
- 22:46Speaker 1: as they're leaving, they begin scanning around the area in case,
- 22:49Speaker 1: you know, this attacker has left something else on the ground,
- 22:53Speaker 1: because Julian had said, I found a knife near where
- 22:55Speaker 1: I was being held. And sure enough, as they're leaving,
- 22:58Speaker 1: not far from the hole, they spot lying up against
- 23:01Speaker 1: a tree a sleeping bag and rolled up inside of
- 23:04Speaker 1: the sleeping bag with some food and some water, and
- 23:07Speaker 1: so Julian and Carolyn they can't understand how in the world.
- 23:11Speaker 1: This has happened, both the horrible luck of being kidnapped
- 23:15Speaker 1: and brought out here and the unbelievable luck of finding
- 23:19Speaker 1: life saving supplies just laying nearby. But either way, they
- 23:23Speaker 1: grabbed the sleeping bag, they grab the food and water,
- 23:25Speaker 1: and they'd take off running. For the next forty eight hours,
- 23:29Speaker 1: the couple roasted during the daytime when the sun was out,
- 23:32Speaker 1: because the temperatures would climb significantly. There wasn't much shade
- 23:36Speaker 1: where they were walking around, so they're getting horribly sunburned.
- 23:39Speaker 1: And then at night, the temperatures would plummet and they'd
- 23:42Speaker 1: be freezing cold, and they'd get inside of their one
- 23:44Speaker 1: sleeping bag and they'd shiver together and do their best
- 23:47Speaker 1: to ration some food and water. And they're telling themselves,
- 23:49Speaker 1: you know, to stay positive that eventually, if they just
- 23:52Speaker 1: keep on moving every day, they're going to find a person,
- 23:54Speaker 1: they're going to find a road, they're going to find
- 23:56Speaker 1: something that will save them. But to their horror, at
- 23:59Speaker 1: the end of those first forty eight hours, as they're
- 24:02Speaker 1: stumbling through this mountainous, treacherous terrain, they found themselves stumbling
- 24:07Speaker 1: back into the same area they had tried to run
- 24:10Speaker 1: away from there was the hole in the ground where
- 24:13Speaker 1: Carolyn had been thrown inside of They had accidentally over
- 24:16Speaker 1: the past two days walked in a big circle. Now, luckily,
- 24:21Speaker 1: when they arrived back at this site, there was no
- 24:23Speaker 1: one there. The attacker was long gone, and it would
- 24:26Speaker 1: turn out this accident likely saved their lives because as
- 24:30Speaker 1: they looked at this site, they saw propped up against
- 24:33Speaker 1: a tree was a backpack, and so they ran over
- 24:36Speaker 1: to the backpack. They opened it up and there was food, water,
- 24:39Speaker 1: some clothing, and a map of the area. Now again,
- 24:43Speaker 1: the couple is totally dumbfounded why they are just happening
- 24:47Speaker 1: to find these life saving supplies right when they need them.
- 24:51Speaker 1: But at the same time, they're thinking, okay, well, if
- 24:53Speaker 1: these supplies are sitting here, then certainly the person who
- 24:56Speaker 1: has left them here their attacker, they're going to be
- 25:00Speaker 1: And so they just grabbed the backpack with everything inside
- 25:03Speaker 1: of it and they took off running. And for the
- 25:05Speaker 1: next five days they used that map as best as
- 25:08Speaker 1: they could, and they eventually stumbled their way through the terrain,
- 25:11Speaker 1: you know, roasting during the daytime and freezing at night,
- 25:14Speaker 1: And eventually they reached that road where they stumbled out,
- 25:18Speaker 1: and the farmer, driving along the back road, he spotted
- 25:21Speaker 1: them and he brought them to the hospital. After hearing
- 25:23Speaker 1: this story, the police very quickly organized a massive search
- 25:27Speaker 1: around the area of Alpine National Park where the farmer
- 25:31Speaker 1: picked up Julian and Carolyn, because they're thinking, Okay, it's
- 25:34Speaker 1: got to be right around here that will find the
- 25:37Speaker 1: man in the balaclava that might lead us to the Ona,
- 25:40Speaker 1: or maybe he's not connected to the Ona, but whoever
- 25:43Speaker 1: he is, we need to find this guy. And so
- 25:45Speaker 1: the police they go out, they do this huge search.
- 25:47Speaker 1: They don't find the man with the balaklava, they don't
- 25:50Speaker 1: find any sign of the Ona, but they do find
- 25:53Speaker 1: that area where that hole had been dug that Carolyn
- 25:56Speaker 1: had been thrown in. And when they searched that area,
- 25:59Speaker 1: they found the shop, They found some rope, and they
- 26:01Speaker 1: found some duct tape, and when they brought that in
- 26:04Speaker 1: to be examined, they couldn't believe what they discovered. All
- 26:07Speaker 1: of those items belonged to Julian, which meant either the
- 26:11Speaker 1: kidnapper had taken all of these supplies from Julian right
- 26:15Speaker 1: before going out and perpetrating this kidnapping, or much more
- 26:19Speaker 1: likely Julian had supplied these things to the kidnapper and
- 26:23Speaker 1: so was involved in some way in this kidnapping. And
- 26:27Speaker 1: so the police went to Julian and confronted him with
- 26:30Speaker 1: this information and said, you're not telling us everything because
- 26:34Speaker 1: these are your items. And at first Julian would completely
- 26:37Speaker 1: deny any accusations that he had anything to do with this,
- 26:41Speaker 1: but after some very serious police pressure was put on him,
- 26:44Speaker 1: he cracked. The following is the real story of what
- 26:48Speaker 1: happened back on March fourth, So the day that Julian
- 26:51Speaker 1: and Carolyn went missing, Julian, after picking Carolyn up, they
- 26:55Speaker 1: made it onto that dirt road that led into the
- 26:57Speaker 1: forest towards the waterfall, and as they're driving along, Julian
- 27:01Speaker 1: claimed to have seen some roadkill, some very strange roadkill,
- 27:04Speaker 1: on the side of the road, and so when Carolyn
- 27:07Speaker 1: kind of turned around to look and didn't see it,
- 27:09Speaker 1: Julian made it seem like, oh, we drove past it,
- 27:11Speaker 1: that's why you didn't see it. But in reality, there
- 27:14Speaker 1: was never any roadkill that was completely made up. There
- 27:17Speaker 1: was no roadkill. All Julian was doing was creating something
- 27:21Speaker 1: that would allow him to then get out of the
- 27:23Speaker 1: car at the end of their trip, and so they
- 27:26Speaker 1: drive the rest of the way into the waterfall. They
- 27:28Speaker 1: have their picnic, they turn around, they head back, and
- 27:31Speaker 1: then again Julian says, Hey, Carolyn, do you mind if
- 27:34Speaker 1: I get out to look at the roadkill? And so
- 27:36Speaker 1: she says yes, and then he acts like, oh, we
- 27:39Speaker 1: must have driven past it, so I need to get
- 27:40Speaker 1: out and run back if I want to go see it.
- 27:43Speaker 1: So Carolyn, she's not thinking it's totally strange. She says okay,
- 27:46Speaker 1: and so he hops out and he runs his way.
- 27:48Speaker 1: He goes around that curve in the road out of sight,
- 27:51Speaker 1: there's no roadkill. Instead, he makes his way to a
- 27:54Speaker 1: tree where days earlier he had stashed his all black outfit,
- 27:58Speaker 1: his black ballaclop and his knife, his shovel, his rope,
- 28:02Speaker 1: his duct tape. It was all stashed in this spot
- 28:05Speaker 1: that was going to be out of view of where
- 28:06Speaker 1: Carolyn was. And so, after getting all dressed up, he
- 28:09Speaker 1: turned and began walking back towards Carolyn and his car.
- 28:13Speaker 1: And when he turned the corner, he saw Carolyn was
- 28:15Speaker 1: already standing outside of the car, and so he charged her.
- 28:19Speaker 1: He tapped her to the ground, he ripped her clothes off,
- 28:21Speaker 1: he hog tied her, he threw her in his car,
- 28:24Speaker 1: and then he got all of his supplies. He threw
- 28:25Speaker 1: those in the car too, and he began driving away,
- 28:28Speaker 1: and for six hours he drove north all the way
- 28:32Speaker 1: up to Alpine National Park, and then when he got there,
- 28:34Speaker 1: he find a road that would kind of go off
- 28:36Speaker 1: the trail aways into the forest, at which point he
- 28:39Speaker 1: opened the trunk. He pulled Carolyn out, he threw her
- 28:41Speaker 1: on the ground. He dragged Carolyn into the woods, and
- 28:45Speaker 1: then with her blindfold off, he made sure to show
- 28:47Speaker 1: her the shovel and he began digging that hole to
- 28:50Speaker 1: give her the impression that he was going to kill
- 28:52Speaker 1: her and bury her. He really wanted her to be
- 28:55Speaker 1: totally terrified. And then after he had dug this hole,
- 28:58Speaker 1: he dumped her into the hole. And then when she
- 29:01Speaker 1: couldn't see what he was doing because she's deep inside
- 29:03Speaker 1: of this hole and she's all tied up, he ran away,
- 29:06Speaker 1: and when he was far enough out of view, he
- 29:08Speaker 1: took off all of his clothes and kind of stashed
- 29:11Speaker 1: it near a tree, and then completely naked besides his knife,
- 29:14Speaker 1: which would be his alibi for how he had gotten free,
- 29:17Speaker 1: he began moving back towards the site where he knew
- 29:20Speaker 1: Carolyn was in this hole, and then after waiting a
- 29:22Speaker 1: little bit, he began yelling out for help, and then
- 29:25Speaker 1: she heard him, and so she yells back to him, Oh, Julian,
- 29:28Speaker 1: I'm over he here, And so Julian goes to the
- 29:31Speaker 1: sound of her voice, and then when he sees her,
- 29:32Speaker 1: he pitches her this ridiculous story about how he was
- 29:35Speaker 1: tied up over there, but he found this knife and
- 29:37Speaker 1: he was able to cut himself free, and look, I'll
- 29:39Speaker 1: cut you free. Oh, the attacker's going to come back soon.
- 29:42Speaker 1: And so he helps her out of the hole, and oh, look,
- 29:44Speaker 1: they left a sleeping bag and some food and water.
- 29:46Speaker 1: Let's go, and so he grabs the supplies and they
- 29:48Speaker 1: head off into the bush. Now, the whole time, over
- 29:51Speaker 1: the course of these seven days, Julian knew exactly where
- 29:55Speaker 1: he was. And so when they accidentally went in a
- 29:58Speaker 1: circle and arrived back at the site where the hole
- 30:01Speaker 1: was and then found the backpack that had more food
- 30:03Speaker 1: and more water and some more supplies, that was intentional.
- 30:06Speaker 1: That was not an accident. He had left the backpack there,
- 30:09Speaker 1: and so that's why they had doubled back, and then
- 30:11Speaker 1: five days later, after scampering through the wilderness, they magically
- 30:15Speaker 1: found the road. But again, Julian knew where the road was.
- 30:18Speaker 1: He had intentionally stayed out for the days that they
- 30:21Speaker 1: were out there. And so after Julian tells the police
- 30:24Speaker 1: all this, they say to him, you know, was Carolyn
- 30:27Speaker 1: in on this? I mean, did she know this was
- 30:29Speaker 1: going on? And he said no, the whole time, she
- 30:31Speaker 1: believed they were getting stoked by their attacker and if
- 30:35Speaker 1: they ever caught up to them, they would be killed.
- 30:37Speaker 1: And so the police are like, Okay, well, why did
- 30:40Speaker 1: you do this? Julian would say, you know, he and
- 30:43Speaker 1: Carolyn were both very committed to their faith, and they
- 30:46Speaker 1: both believed in not having sex before marriage. But over time,
- 30:51Speaker 1: Julian had gotten to the point where he just couldn't
- 30:53Speaker 1: wait any longer to have sex with Carolyn, and they
- 30:56Speaker 1: weren't scheduled to get married for another year, and he
- 30:59Speaker 1: just didn't think he could wait a full year before
- 31:03Speaker 1: they could finally have intercourse, and so he had staged
- 31:06Speaker 1: this entire kidnapping in order to hopefully coerce Carolyn into
- 31:12Speaker 1: having sex with him. And so while he and Carolyn
- 31:14Speaker 1: were out on the run in Alpine National Park for
- 31:17Speaker 1: those seven days and nights. They were not wearing any
- 31:21Speaker 1: clothes or barely wearing any clothes, and at night they
- 31:24Speaker 1: only had that one sleeping bag that Julian had intentionally
- 31:28Speaker 1: staged in advance. He knew they would have that one
- 31:30Speaker 1: sleeping bag, and so they would climb into that bag
- 31:33Speaker 1: at night because it's freezing cold out and as they're
- 31:36Speaker 1: laying there right on top of each other, he would
- 31:38Speaker 1: say to Carolyn, we need to have sex in order
- 31:41Speaker 1: to produce enough heat that we don't freeze to death
- 31:44Speaker 1: out here. But Carolyn, despite the circumstances, every time said no.
- 31:49Speaker 1: And so after seven days of trying to convince Carolyn
- 31:53Speaker 1: that they had to have sex it was a matter
- 31:55Speaker 1: of life or death, and that if they just said
- 31:58Speaker 1: their vows that under the eyes of God, they would
- 32:00Speaker 1: be considered married and sex would be okay. At that point,
- 32:03Speaker 1: despite all of his best efforts, every single time, Carolyn
- 32:06Speaker 1: just continued to say no, no, no, And so at
- 32:09Speaker 1: the end of those seven days, Julian finally just gave up,
- 32:13Speaker 1: and so that's when they magically made their way out
- 32:15Speaker 1: to the road and were rescued Julian would also tell
- 32:18Speaker 1: police that he was the one who wrote those notes
- 32:21Speaker 1: prior to the kidnapping, in hopes that they would believe
- 32:24Speaker 1: the Order of the Nine Angles was behind all of
- 32:26Speaker 1: this and he wouldn't get in trouble. Prior to his
- 32:28Speaker 1: trial for kidnapping, Julian was out on bail and he
- 32:32Speaker 1: decided he would just try to flee Australia. And so
- 32:35Speaker 1: the way he did this is he dyed his skin
- 32:38Speaker 1: a darker shade and he also dyed his hair darker,
- 32:41Speaker 1: and then he attempted to use a fake Indian passport
- 32:45Speaker 1: to go to India and he was able to fool
- 32:48Speaker 1: Australian authorities, but when he arrived in India, he was
- 32:51Speaker 1: immediately found out and he was extradited back to Australia
- 32:55Speaker 1: where he would stand trial, and in two thousand and nine,
- 32:58Speaker 1: he was found guilty of kidnapping along with a host
- 33:01Speaker 1: of other obscure charges, and he was sentenced to seven
- 33:04Speaker 1: years and nine months in prison. So that's gonna do it.
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