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Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts.
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Listen to it on radio three topic my friends, very but very good afternoon
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to that we are in crural construction averaging in the week the four NAPs in
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Argentina, all nine depend in Prague, in Beautiful Prague, in Czech Republic.
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With the seven degrees we are more evadistic, more between spring and autumn,
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leaving behind the summer twenty- five degrees. I don' t think
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they feel that much. It' s very nice a little wind on the
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street. So, well, here' s a show where we' ll
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be today. We won' t be that what you have in a yesterday
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with our correspondent in North America liked for golfson we will do it tomorrow as
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we are, because we have a termite health. There' s not a
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hundred of you, so we' ll go and recover tomorrow. Tomorrow we
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will be with roseric of piero and today we will start in a little while
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Juan Pablo Les after it is all that is good. We' ll be
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talking to Marcelo before the mix and this show will be played with two audios
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by Alejandro Rojo. Well go over a little before you say hello to our
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first guest of the day. The current info of professional as poer. I
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go up to transitory pilpelo granite to dodorlar the trend that has gone the market.
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I tell you that blues, after yesterday climbing twenty- five or serenita
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mangoes, today goes down five and is quoted at a thousand treitas one by
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one. To be there are the preparations without shaming, because the government,
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the news of the day of the stage of tomorrow' s days. Miley
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won with interventionism, with that criminal state, but that puts him act it
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makes a little present contradicts. I believe that it does not pay for this
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in terms of public opinion by day, but rather pragmatism is leaving it to
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dogmatism. Prepaids have to increase according to inflation and no more than that.
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Since December last year. Although it' s a decision where economics is going
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to say, perchs take this go to justice, etcetera, etc. Investors
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recalculate the dollar prisoner, the new securities that agree to futures market. The
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government sent the tax reform Congress what the profit floor is. Another great news
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retweeted today, Ford, where he doesn' t have granny. Gabriel Milla
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is among the 100 most influential people in the world, our President. According
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to Times magazine, the Developing businesses copy in the middle of a pandemic,
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bought some doctors and received their millionaire idios and dollars. Okay. Another that
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demonized Nestor I don' t like about the copit les, of course,
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but I say we demonized a businessman, Coto was, Joel' s people
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were, and Nestor Kilsner was a stigmatizing prick as a representative of the enemy.
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This doesn' t have the foculists. This is true in Argentina,
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which goes from one end to the other in terms mainly of fopulists. Don
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Juan Pablo Releme, my friend, good afternoon. How' s it going?
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How is Fernando doing how well you are, very nice to speak enon
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let' s say no, no, but it wasn' t that long
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on the air. It' s okay. Well to see how you are
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seeing this moment in Argentina, as I say, in a government that does
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not say what the President who I am says live elections, would be lecto,
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re- elected in the first round, let alone. I believe that
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my Timiti and more than fifty percent of society are well supported in favour of,
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fifty percent against that it has measures like this pragmatic prepaid one. It
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is a bear to say that the prepaid attack when I speak against the middle
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class, when I would allow myself to say that the attack on the middle
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class is the Government, and the workers and retirees are not the Government.
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But, well, in this scenario, how you' re seeing that we
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haven' t talked much. Let' s say the summer also spent these
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four long months of Javier' s management I read with Pablo Bueno. I
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see it with highs and lows. I see it objectively on this specific issue
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that I want to see how many who voted for my law, who were
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in a preparation that they were going to go to the public hospital now how
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much they are going to continue voting it that, in general, what is
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shown lately that when governments are in power, all the speculations in general in
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favor of the government and this, when people decide their position, is when
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they vote. So Milay won with the vote that seemed to be at a
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time together for the change that seemed at a time that was for united for
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the homeland, ended the votes in thousands. I think it' s the
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same scenario, because Argentina, despite the spread, the international campaign and so
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on, Argentina, there are things that are changing us, there are things
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that are worse. And no one wants to talk about this, because,
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obviously, journalism today is practically by my law used as you see the media,
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and any criticism that is made is a criticism made by rats, by
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cowards or by leftovers or because those who don' t have the cream passes
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them. He has just said more about all his media shows the cream that
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he is afraid of on the part of President Milay' s journalism or that
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he himself gets scared. No, no, politics is afraid. The point
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is to set the limits with respect. Politics is afraid of obvious Minne,
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because they think she took over power and don' t have how to challenge
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this policy? And to challenge this policy, the first thing you have to
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do is have respect, which is what the millay doesn' t have and
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people have to realize that they have to live in a respectful society, a
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society that lacks respect for citizenship and those who criticize. When you tell me
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that there are things that have not changed, there are things that are worse
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to see, I can see you a little more of Bob' s precisions.
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Yes, I' m telling my specialty, which is international politics.
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Today there is a note of protest from Chile over statements by the security teacher.
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The Chancellor went to Brazil with a letter. She' s the second
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one to wear and doesn' t have the hard answer. Thirdly, the
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extroverted position of my law in relation to the conflict between Iran and Israel is
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an overaction that harms Argentina' s permanent interests. There he was dying to
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see, because Argentina has no scope to take radical positions. And the economic
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crisis plus the humanitarian crisis that Argentina has inwards with fifty by five of the
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poor. The first thing the President has to do is look inside, look
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outside at what' s going on, that, like outside, they don
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' t know much about what' s going on inside. He can go
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to Miami, Spain, he can go to Germani later on wherever he wants,
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but the internal situation in Argentina has not changed. I' m gonna
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put on a devil' s wedding. Well, there' s my leist
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for a minute, which I' m way from being good dad, but
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we' re taking inflation. We have double superhabit, primary superbi and financial
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power to pay interest as there has not been in years. There' s
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a dollar exile. They' re down, the dollars are down. There
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' s an economic quiet. You can tell me the recessions too much,
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but for starters I have that. The Argentine image of the world and that
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of Milay himself extends to see whenever there is an economic conduct based on the
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financial sector, the systems play in favor of that the ecolumna goes well.
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You have to see what happens to the real economy and this is not what
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has happened then. This has already happened in Argentina. You have the conversion
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from dollars to pesos. It puts the fixed- term weights and you take
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out a dollar differential that at another time would never have taken it out.
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So this was already done in Argentina. What happens is that journalists, economics,
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entrepreneurs are not going to tell each other. This is the truth.
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Then I' m going to hang. This ends. We saw these movies
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and this ends badly. I' m carriytraide this Carlos Tress financial thing.
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There' s not a single mine. This ends badly. Let' s
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say the SMEs are gone. SMEs do not know how to get there At
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the end of the month they are taking out personal, especially small and medium
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- sized enterprises, and the big ones have suspended for two or three months
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and have to retake them. That' s what I' m talking about
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There' s no one from the government I' m talking about. I
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say this model doesn' t end badly. It doesn' t mean he
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' s gonna fly over the years, that this is a mode of warfare.
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It was a stable country, but with a devastated economy, two steps
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all, two three poorest steps. Don' t close the model. So
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I ask, but for you which country you know, which feast, which
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has ras. He asks a certain candor. I share another denotative. But,
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well, I want to get some wealth out of the interview. No
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no I have lived for many years abroad representing Argentina clear and I never lived
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in any country I know and of which I study and of which I work,
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who feast, who have eleven percent inflation, not here to celebrate the
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day, that the numbers are balanced and that the country is in production.
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And that' s not happening. Well, again, my law is going
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to tell you that I' ve seen the hyper that' s going down,
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that' s saying twenty- three. That should have been done by
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him and the one who had won, that is, together for change or
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massa. Well, they' re doing what people asked, they' re
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doing, they' re doing, they' re doing, they' re
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doing, they' re doing, they' re doing, they' re
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doing, they' re doing, they' re doing, they' re
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doing, they' re doing, they' re doing. Besides, you
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' re afraid of this, but it doesn' t close. But it
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does not close because of the recession and the loss of real wages and unemployment.
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Obviously, that doesn' t close around. Then you have to have
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no policies for that. And since there are no policies for that, you
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have to look at the glass half full, because the truth is that what
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happens is the government is looking at the glass Leo and the glass is all
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right, All Government looks at the glass full and snuff out of the assets.
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We don' t have to turn to the definites. Let us continue
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to deceive the Mauris people, who understand what is happening we have to have
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the sanity and the respect to say publicly what is happening. This is great,
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John Paul. Now I don' t see in the opposition, except
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for someone else who plays a full as I am, what I know and
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I' m actually commending him, Lutomas, since he doesn' t drive
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radicalism, etcetera, etcetera. I don' t see a leader standing up
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and saying some things at a cost of unpopularity, paying political costs today,
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even though I redicted him in a way I don' t see anyone stopping
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him. I don' t have the freedom. I think I' m
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done. I' m done. I see the servility of the pro who
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has the means to favocitate him Miley. I see the servility of much of
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the radicalism of those of Loredo, judge and company and some governors down.
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I don' t see him either in Miguelaje Picheto and his bloc that has
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so divided with many collaborators and many who run from a progressive side that I
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would like, like Santa Fesino socialism, this luiser and so on, I
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say one in the opposition doesn' t see that this position, that this
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you very well mark and I respect and I like, I love it.
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I say no to seeing you are not a first actor, honestly of politics,
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I say so, but you do not see it. Dude, I
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' m taking care of politics. This was raised almost as good. The
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thing is, it' s all speculation and I don' t have any
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speculation. Here then I do not speculate, I have a formation, I
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have a political history and this has to do with my distance in Peronism.
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Peronism devastated today by this subject which I would have to do. This is
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journalism and it doesn' t do it that you can' t renew,
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it' s going to recompose, it' s going to have self-
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criticism, it' s going to take out the krismenism backpack, keep doing
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a post- kitarism with quiilog and company. Little as if that goes on,
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goes directly to division and well, it will be necessary to see if
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the leaders have the galladura to put together an alternative, as was done in
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another time. Today I don' t see it, but every time perionism
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has been divided, let' s say this loses not if in the division
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of journalism, as well as the division of the opposition, when there is
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only one Peronism, it works for the other. No. And, well,
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here' s the thing. But you have to lead it to someone
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who has really recognized himself as such and who proposes a more modern kind of
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governance, suitable for the world that lives with modern criteria and exits a pseudo
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- left history that no longer serves him at all and does not go to
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the right, as it did in Milay, which does not serve the country
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either. Now I can imagine him talking about putting a name, thinking years
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ago he' s gone. Unfortunately, José Manuel de la Sota, the
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governor of Cordoba, has passed away. Today I don' t know where
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you see it reflected in a jarse now in someone. Or no, there
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' s no figure you think. I still don' t see it reflected,
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but De la Sota thought so I, as you know, I worked
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with him. Yes, yes, yes, I believe that of the strong
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or John Paul, today there is not one of the Jack on the horizon.
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Well, let' s see if the production of Peronism can make it
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right. I think it' s going to form at some point, because
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Kitchilo has little life. It is supported by Cristina Fernández de Kiso who has
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a chapter already finished, I think by Fernández look how it ended. Then
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Masa lost then it' s hard. The chance must be settled. Masa
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has no chance. He' s not lost yet. But it has no
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credibility of the are good, forgive me someone who lost, I think it
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was three times Dalo Lula. The governorship of Colus also not even. In
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addition, it already has a party that has to be called Justicialist Parties,
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the Front Renovador, where it is an api is a leg of Peronism involved
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in something that is not well known what philosophy it has. We are going
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to Mene' s novelist carnal relations with empley' s higirionism in which model
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of diplomatic external relations we find ourselves today, beyond the correct connotations that you
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made about Patricia Burri in the complaints. I' m from Chile, from
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Galla Mondino, going once and twice to Brazil, etcetera, etcetera. There
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is a principle in international politics that says this. I give it to you
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as a title. He who gives more than they ask receives less than he
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needs. Well, that' s Miley' s international policy, the one
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who gives more than they ask, gets less than he needs. There is
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about acting or almost servility. That question is pointless, because no one respects
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it. That they take as something picturesque of the extreme South and put it
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in the Times, they put it in the newspapers because, obviously sells the
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painter pierreste you would define the President as a picturesque character, a breath of
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extreme right, dangerous, is populism, of extravagant right. I define diplomacy
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and politics. It' s theory. In extravagant diplomacy. The chancellor,
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how do you like to see her? Some criticize her for several gaffes she
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' s had. No. No, the cabcillere works with a self-
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pump explaining that the relationship and between States and the relationship between the Presidents is
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different. And well that explanation. There is a new theory of international relations
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to explain it, because it is very difficult and explain that you can'
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t, like by continuing to explain that the President said what he didn'
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t say. Yeah, well, that' s the one you have to
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interpret because of my law in this case. Yeah, well, then you
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have to see if you want to do calchiller in those conditions. That'
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s the first thing you have to think about. That' s good,
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that' s good, that' s right. I don' t know
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if you have any information. You' ve read it a while ago.
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Sali there are cross versions of why my law did not travel to Denmark.
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The official explanation was good, because right in the Middle East thing linked to
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this after yesterday, in one comment, I think someone in the North told
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him because there was talk of a tental. No, don' t forgive
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me Some of my law was spoken about there I broadcast it on the road
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and one of the unofficial spokespersons for the officer and because it was going to
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be a ballot. I told him a thousand like they were going to tempt
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him in Denmark. I think the Danes didn' t even know about this,
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but well, well, well, what happens is that neither did Moses
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show up to make that decision. I believe that if there is a crisis
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of that nature, that one cannot walk on a walk, on a sixteen
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- year journey through Denmark. This is obvious. This is obvious and it
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' s up to any of this and the decision will have told you there,
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in the north they will have told you. Look, it' s
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not convenient for you to go at this time for yesterday. That is always
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done informally and reaches the ears of those who have to hear it. We
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' re risking more than a thousand times that we' re already on the
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radar. Let' s say the international homeland for the attacks that have already
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taken place. My cot exposes us more or nothing happens. Let' s
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just say it' s okay. I don' t know a question.
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According to him we' re already around and it' s like more of
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the same thing doesn' t happen with his position, particular his follow-
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up. He to such a controversial figure with the neteniahu He is playing rating
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outside and raiting outside plays against inwards. That' s obvious today, not
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with half the society. Not if you can be tomorrow and I want to
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see that half or not friendship. I want to see the 25th how people
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are. All that is yet to be seen from power and from lack of
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respect. You can override a lot of people, but well, this is
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what you see. But people decide when to vote and you have to wait
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for that moment and everything you prepare before in Argentina today is an illusion.
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I come back with something to go through. We are in the age of
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menem carnal relationships with greater hiscronism. At what point we are in terms of
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what you have called extravagant diplomacy with the United States Israel. Let' s
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just say the world doesn' t cut off with the scissors. You understand
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I don' t make the map short to the United States and short Israel,
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and I say this is my thing, because at the same time,
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Argentina is not that. Historically, it wasn' t that. You cannot
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change it in Argentina, which is a Catholic country of Amboises for Jesus Christ.
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There' s a lot of things, there' s a lot of
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things to keep in mind, and this is what people think. The thing
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is, it doesn' t stress him out. John Paul. Thank you
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so much. Uh, I don' t appreciate it. Then we talked
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to each other in an hour, no problem, no problem. Please,
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whenever you want. Anytime, we do. Well, we communicated by the
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gift of whatsapp. Thank you, John Paul. Big hug, John Paul.
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He reads it here under construction plus. Well, you don' t
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have to introduce him. He' s been as our permanent collaborator sometimes this
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is a pause. Today it is not in such a category, but the
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yes, as interviewed a man with sufficient trajectory in Argentine diplomacy. It was
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going down in Brazil, because in Spain, in Teroea, well, in
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various responsibilities and it is its name that obviously comes from the justialisms. He
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said it was goal of the jack, et cetera, et cetera. Well,
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let' s see a little review of the authority. Leave a game
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of professional and good foy we already said. The pro. The government deprived
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Congress of the tax package and included profits, personal property and target capital.
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The theme of the day you prepare I' ll see you tend to do
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the social network of the Pajarito. I' ve got a minute waiting for
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me. Don Juan. I ask Juan because he will tell me the super
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classic Sunday in Cordoba, after something happened in Madrid. Someone died there once,
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because I say bloated from the two teams after Madrid. I don'
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t think it ever happened, no, and something happened in Madrid. Not
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good, I don' t know. Later, Juan will find me who
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his candidate is, no, who wants to win, who his candidate is
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for Sunday and in the learned one we will see the man who supports the
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exit to some usua population of so Lorenzo de Almagro. I' m going
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to trends. I don' t give her maurillas. Juan I give him
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the tendencies in the social network of the little bird bad day to be antimilay
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say some that it is because of the preparations that good, good and this
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is the great trend here, in Argentina at this hour for sight are not
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revealed. I' m saying in the nets for God' s sake.
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Okay. Let' s see, let' s see if if I'
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m still marta marta, tells me Juan, uh, yes, the internel
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since the age of gallarler Gallardo, the face to face, favors it above
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truth, at some point we will also have to count, see to see
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some other reflections for our mentions. While for a little while we will be
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trying to see an eternal problem in the Middle East, with the bed unpublished,
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so that not through a pimp but through a guerrilla or a terrorist group
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or a third country, but through itself will go natacú Israel. We'
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ll set up antelmin search or prepare it I said I don' t think
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it wins my law. In public opinion, pragmatism, the dogmatic contradiction of
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the free marcadista, is imposed. Today it does not affect the Government,
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because the one who regulated and allowed all this by decree 70 of the Eastern
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Government, which many are questioning for its constitutionality, today does not pay.
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There are greater costs to the blatant contradiction liba of maraudista fuebunda. But the
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criminal state, the state that for my law, criminal is present. So
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good in this political achievement, in this libertarian incoherence, to take into account
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the desire to pass reads it not Boric, President of Chile, a figure
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that seems to me a lot of respect that is costing him to carry the
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ship of a port sends Argentine protest note, because Bonrich, who always speaks
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light, had at one time also imprisoned. But go on. I don
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' t know how much. He makes some stories happen and about acting,
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always in the or in life. Know that the worst are the converts of
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Tom Chris top Gun, the Minister of Radical Defense, to Patricia Burg.
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It is the leftover actuator that passed through all the parties and it seems to
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me that it wants to integrate to free advance and leave behind the pro that
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is nothing less the party that has just presided. Now saying that Chile is
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in Iquique on that cell side of Bolá, for example, listen to me
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explain how in Chile there are terrorist cells. Bus the court that for now
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does not take up the matter. After yesterday' s sentence of two we
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discussed it here, two from a rhoiz lawyer and one from the province formosa
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for granó takes letters. It was not in the substance of the question or
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the Chilean issue and constitutionality of Decree 70 Barra 23tres. We' ve already
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done it more r for what Daniel Kipper' s guy did, but for
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now he takes his time. But to see if you' re a Member,
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it would seem that, brothers of deputies, for now the issue of
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lowering that decree, of seeing some data, of passing us away a little
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bit from politics and we' re already opening up to Whatsapp. Something like
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that read about so many tendencies, sort of fifty times a day. I
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cut off many more logins in our country that sar Whatsapp shows that Whatsapp explains
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much of our digital day. Instagram already gathers permanent queries and while Tiktok is
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less open, it opens it less and Instagram, for example, sessions in
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Tiktok, this young people, many younger, are more extensive in time.
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And, on the other hand, I also read that with this of the
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communities that I believe Whatsapp good converted by goal into mass communication, is the
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most outstanding piece in content matters. They say he' s already eating the
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other dense star networks and applications that exist. In two thousand twenty, Whatsapp
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had announced that he had more than two billion suarios worldwide, bigger than and
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tables that have one, three Tiktok, one billion telegram, eight hundred million,
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etcetera, etcetera. It is facing up to its partner platform meta Instagram,
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which captures about one four billion users. So, while telegran announces that
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it is close to a billion, Whatsapp is at least above two billion and
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leads and leads. I saw there some reflections on Tuesday in a very strong
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march of the university students here in Argentina, claiming to leave for the next
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of so much thing on Twitter that someone posted say that the new training universities
25:33
and they put on a training issue flag of all toped by the left and
25:37
then someone wrote to him or not. Someone finds it on Twitter. If
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the posters in public universities were to indoctrinate, I would be President Gabriel Solano.
25:45
Guys are jerks. Well someone on the left, not like indoctrination goes
25:48
through militancy, sometimes exceptional in some cases in universities where the first and secondary
25:55
sure, there is no doctrine in college at the AU. I do not
26:00
think in principle that a very good tweet by Mr Mako Mazuka said a very
26:07
good one yesterday either. Another become libertarian is insane, Javier Miley, but
26:11
he is a politician who is at the service of the country and besides,
26:15
honest who said that well he says are this good even I. These two
26:18
things make me more supportive. In addition, inflation drops and one such cloth
26:23
replied to him. No, no. The only thing that goes down is
26:26
my salary, the natural reactions of people Great is another user on Twitter lauta
26:33
f and Greek. M seems fantastic to me. The idol category for fools
26:38
on my list comes in and the most Galperin, Santiago Maratea and any of
26:44
Big Brother' s caste seemed great to me. Well, we' re
26:48
going to the pause with Hay with Juan that in an artist. We'
26:52
re going to continue to see if we duke Marcelo I sang the Mith for
26:56
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28:00
Marcelo cantelmi to, Marcelo, good afternoon, how it goes, how
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you do, Fernando so long, how you send that in a country as
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calm as this, you are very distracted with the international question. The world
28:10
you' re right to leave the local store. The country is so moved
28:15
on the local than the international. It has to pass this unprecedented Iranian attack
28:19
on Israel to summon you and it is a self- criticism that I do
28:23
good to see for another two or three corticres. The reason to touch on
28:27
issues of international politics but that possible. He' s absolutely responsible. Yeah,
28:33
yeah, totally good to see. This is a conflict that has no
28:36
end, not beyond the chapter, what we see, the unreal retaliation that
28:38
for now is delayed that will be less strong, etcetera, etcetera. It
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' s an endless conflict. I' m not saying, nothing' s
28:45
gonna happen. Yes, I' d say it' s a slightly more
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desperate conflict than it was, because this movement will say on Saturday where it
28:55
reached the region, to a dimension that even Iran didn' t want.
28:59
There is a mistake in the Iranian decision- making system quite remarkable, because
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it ended up playing practically in the camp of Irreed and in the camp of
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Taniau. Today it is easy to find Israelis. When you talk to friends
29:15
in Israel who were part of the anti- tin marches that are now holding
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back. It says because well, it did quite well on Saturday let'
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s say the image of Misters Secretity of the security man has been reborn thanks
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to this attack by Iran, which was a very controlled attack, as we
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all know. But what I did now is the U S, where it
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harms me Iraq and Turkey to let the U S know what the package was
29:48
like, and the attack is also seen as an attack with a very long
29:52
eight- hour window of time. All missiles and hydrons packed well- clarite
29:57
on the ras screen. Well, that' s why what happened happened,
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but it' s Saturday we saw. Moreover, and that must be very
30:04
illustrative for Iran. It' s a frankly impressive security shield. There is
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no precedent for a reaction from the United States Israel, Great Britain, France
30:19
and Jordan, with their planes and their anti- aircrafts, all together,
30:25
destroying everything that was coming, so that in the military doctrine that will handle
30:30
the Persian power and other players in the region also be looking at this picture
30:36
in a detail, with a magnifying glass, because this is a very significant
30:38
novelty. Let' s just say all we had is a huge demonstration of
30:45
military skill. Beyond that, I insist that the three hundred- thirty-
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peak missiles operated by Iran with the intention of doing as little damage as possible
30:57
and as much space as possible, but I live in the demonstration of maneuvers
31:03
and that they are of much power to it that in a case of a
31:08
more intense attack, surely will be shown with the same deficiency. I say
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this is what marks even the novelty. This attack was in Iran' s
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replicas. It attacks on Saturday in response to Israel' s April 1 attack
31:22
on this Iranian diplomat. That was a consulate. Or we can put it
31:29
in question and I don' t like a version in one of our dish
31:32
you ask him that I am the specialist what attacked and real in sign was
31:36
a consulate or I could actually have some kind of military facet, let'
31:44
s say all the analysts of CNBR Time the others say that it was the
31:49
consulate and apart I received there the ambassador from where Iran. Israel says there
31:53
were no military and well, so can be military silences. He' s
32:00
also going to see them at other embassies. But this is an argument that
32:05
pulls Israel, which is quite controversial. Actually, this attack? This attack
32:13
makes sure that Austen' s head of the tentalogue criticizes his Israeli defense colleague
32:20
because he was not warned before the United States. It runs that the U
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S law does not, no, because it is protected by the Vienna Convention.
32:28
There are things that are not done and that can have very serious consequences.
32:31
Well, for Iral, it was a blow to his territory and this
32:37
Saturday the blow to the territory of Israel. Iran, obviously, had to
32:42
do something to show that it still has the capacity to contain, to react
32:50
to its internality, which is very complicated, and for its allies outside of
32:54
its entanglement to demonstrate authority the issue that, from a certain point of view,
33:05
wronged the process should have done nothing or should have done much less,
33:09
because what it did was to transform the reality of the Middle East, from
33:17
the eternal crisis of the Middle East to a level in mind is very serious.
33:21
It is very likely that Israel will now attack the reply, the reply,
33:25
the reply to Iran, especially because it has left the territory I won,
33:31
but no territory go either in keys and nobody or not. No.
33:37
That' s a hypothesis. A hypothesis. Ask yes, I ask you,
33:43
no, if it can attack Iranian territory directly. You think yes,
33:46
yes, yes, yes, yes, absolutely. The size of the attack
33:51
what is being discussed, the size of the attack there is good, it
33:57
is not cameraman. The British cancism in Israel and Ibaiden spoke thirty- five
34:05
minutes with the entangled one to cut it I stammered said let' s say
34:08
without anyone intervening to see iraánd did a great favor in Israel. With this.
34:15
Not only did it allow you to show this that had dreamed you at
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the military level, but it strengthened the country, strengthened the international and real
34:24
image in solidarity with Israel very active and apart, grew back the very deteriorated
34:30
image of this man as president, very controversial, So he is in a
34:37
position of force and there is Iran that is of a rather ridiculous position.
34:40
On the one hand, because all the allies and re are saying no,
34:46
no. No. This wasn' t a theatricalization. This was a real
34:49
attack. Well, it was a real attack that didn' t do any
34:52
good. There was no destruction of a building, there was no victim right
34:55
now. It was three hundred and bill of mishas, but then how it
34:59
is understood. Beyond the internal, they' ll say you don' t
35:02
understand outside. It' s like showing that you did a few shots in
35:07
the air and that everyone laughs at each other, that it doesn' t
35:09
fix up is a campaign for its anti- misire or protective system, etcetera.
35:13
It' s kind of logical in synthesis. The logic it has is
35:15
this. That was done a demonstration of limited, supposedly adult, force,
35:23
as said by the United Nations on the very day of the attack, to
35:29
prove that they had nothing else to react without doing the damage they could theoretically
35:34
right is in Iran' s explanation. America says no one told us anything.
35:37
This is not true. This was an attack all over the line.
35:40
He said it about Churuza. I' m going to see why they'
35:44
re saying this. In order for Sabel to keep that victory, do not
35:46
look for another, that is, do not extend, because there is a
35:52
lot of fear in the seven elge in the world, that this will end
35:57
up escalating a regional war, because if they were a war, an attack
36:00
will go both way to return that attack the oil will cost two hundred and
36:05
fifty dollars, the three among the economy will break in the world. It
36:07
' s really a serious problem. And this problem, this eternal conflict,
36:12
which is a kind of stone in the shoe, of strategies that goes far
36:17
beyond. Beyond this, it has to do with the peaceful and the mallet,
36:21
with the war. Ukraine always gets in the middle in a very annoying
36:24
way and this would be, this would imply an economic political consequence for the
36:32
huge planet. That' s what they' re trying to do in tents
36:37
that I don' t think I' m going to understand, because I
36:38
was a part of it. There is a political objective. That is why
36:40
the war in Gasa was ruined for Netania' s political needs and here there
36:46
is also a political commitment of netaneado to show that he is a little the
36:52
great savior of Israel and to spend with that story is very dangerous the moment.
36:57
Well, there, with another screw- up Iran or one thinks they
37:00
can' t be so candorous or innocent. But that is not what runs
37:02
from the people to the thirty zero dead who were killed by Israel in retaliation
37:08
for the incursion of Jamas into the territory irrelly that runs to the people who
37:13
are no longer talking about the incursion at home today. You have to understand
37:19
that Fernando that maybe this is what he is indicating is a crisis of decision
37:23
- making, decision- making, decision- making systems in Iran and leadership.
37:29
I was already there and it was quite clear that Iran learned about the
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attack of this faction of Gafa by TV I say. I wasn' t
37:38
aware of this. I probably would' ve stopped it because it was really
37:43
a mistake, a Mirán barbarism. Iran did not know about Hamas' attack
37:47
on southern Israel, neither Iran nor the Jamas who were in Qatar. This
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is already done by Alia without guard and the leader of Never in Gasa counts
38:00
in an intern with other Hamas leaders, especially a very important one that reén
38:06
kills in Syria, which is a leader who was focused on Sijjordania Iran.
38:15
Also, on 17 October, to see the 7th of October. It was
38:20
the attack on southern Israel on 17 October, about seventeen and sixteen I don
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' t remember well, that ended very important sanctions against the missile plan.
38:30
They will say that Iran did not want much noise so that they would not
38:36
be imposed again to close or impose on sanctions, of course, video on
38:39
Saturday. But it' s a huge loss for Iran, because it involves
38:44
response, machinery, commercial capacity, and influences for its entire missile structure.
38:51
And that' s why the war has been quite restrained, let' s
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say so far in life and no one has ever played their lives for five
39:01
or more. Ask, why should we say in this logic that we understand
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retaliation of never there is, I think it is more than a thousand hostages
39:10
and all that madness. Why teques relates the consulate, that they say there
39:15
is a military person, by what logic can be found from the attack of
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Israel. A month ago the Iranian consulate in Chile, the first to open
39:29
yes, there was no big debate about that. Remember that this attack coincides
39:35
with the bombing of the humanitarian column of Walkitchen that killed Gino members of the
39:44
Spanish cook who was making that convoy on a route agreed with the Papamé army.
39:51
The army attacked this caravan. That happened the same April chimero that that
39:55
massacre could completely save in Iran. Impact of the attack on the consulate.
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Let' s say the two episodes could be together. You don' t
40:05
know if you match it. Possibly not, but the truth is that the
40:10
issue of the consulate hardly reached the media. The media came very little,
40:15
because it occupied the whole screen, the barbarity is against these seven people who
40:23
were helping Tides in Bugas, which always caught attention. That attack was very
40:28
rare. We don' t know why it happened. Just as it is
40:32
under discussion why Israel attacks at the Damascus Consulate and then ends up saying well,
40:40
it was not a consulate. He had the flag, but the consulate,
40:45
anyway, there are things that better not be cleared up. No,
40:50
but there are certain suspicions that Israel wanted to provoke this reaction from Iran went
41:00
absolutely into that game, into that pen. Without measuring context, I say
41:06
that at this moment Israel is much stronger. He demonstrated a military capability that
41:12
was previously unmatched theoretical. No Iran will ever have it. He also demonstrated
41:20
a very strong national unity that is being consolidated, so that the conditions are
41:23
given. If Netaneo wants to attack Iran and then, well, Iran will
41:30
do it again much more seriously. It is stabilising us and will surely seek
41:37
allies in the region. We must see what Russia, China and North Korea
41:42
do, which are Suas. Hay wants to get you. The Chinese are
41:45
not warlike, but Russia, beyond being obviously stuck in the Ukrainian swamp.
41:50
We can see there something there I don' t know you think deep down,
41:55
in Ukraine Russia is in Russia against the West. We can see what
41:59
in the Middle East now America against Russia in some way. I' m
42:01
not exaggerating, I' m not going to World War III, and all
42:06
those theories I say, but they won' t go granda is burning with
42:09
this. The strategic errors are commonplace. I believe that if this happens,
42:15
Iran will put up with Israel' s attack, which is not now and
42:19
is quiet here. If it reacts, the replica, the electrical replica,
42:22
the replica goes away that not only isolated. It is not so much China
42:28
or Russia. I say good, or it' s a bit. Keep
42:35
in mind that you also have a big internal problem and I' m done
42:38
here. Iran appears on posters I am no longer reporting right now. In
42:43
the column I publish every week. In clarín, there are posters ente grams
42:49
very suggestive posters that tell Israel they attack shoot there, to the House of
42:57
Government, to the Presidency, to the Nest of Supreme. People put it
43:00
on the street, because in Iran there are big social problems and we know
43:06
a very strong popular uprising. Now the police are pushing, repressing again with
43:12
the veil argument. I' ve always made it clear that they don'
43:15
t believe that a little cloth on their heads is a symbol of a subjugated
43:23
people that subdues women, subjugates everyone. I mean, it' s not
43:28
a religious symbol. You don' t have to confuse that and now that
43:32
' s growing. There are a lot of new regulations in Iran to make
43:36
the veil untouchable and clear. You have a very big social problem. Without
43:40
an attack of this kind, I no longer know what fate the RALs regime
43:44
has. I have quite a few doubts. Okay, well, I'
43:49
ll bring you in the gettin. A certain neutrality is now possible. We
43:52
are seeing reinforced carnal relationships you see overacting look. Someone called me Fernando Ni
43:59
in Europe called the Crisis Committee. As my law put it, the controversy
44:04
over the Ambassador of Israel to Argentina, participating in a tiny briefing, staying
44:07
at the cabinet meeting. That is, how you saw all the movements of
44:10
the Argentine government regarding it. Well and from this offensive is entry, from
44:15
this attempt to enter Iran into Israel. I don' t mean, I
44:19
think since the deck would have done the same thing and we would have had
44:24
some picturesque commentary, I don' t know. I believe that my law
44:28
lacks experience as President, as leader and suddenly acts as my friend Cardoso robl
44:34
cardoso more from the hip. No, well, she' s already having
44:43
an affair with her hip. That is a concept of Oscar Cardoso to be
44:46
very polight, very fine, when very diploma, very diplomatic, acts as
44:52
tujes. Let' s say something like that, something like that. Anyway,
44:58
I say you didn' t have to be from Argentina, eye,
45:01
it' s a very small country, very poor. Because it' s
45:05
poor, poverty or wealth gives you or doesn' t give you political power.
45:09
I don' t think anyone' s been over- repaired what he
45:14
did in Argentina. It' s interesting for the Argentine people. It is
45:17
interesting that this President acts in that way. He' ll think it'
45:22
s right to serve. I think it is a gesture that was not necessary
45:28
I say you can condemn it really is condemnable, because it called us to
45:31
peace. Let' s not say no, either. That' s the
45:34
head of world leaders. No. No, no, no, not this
45:37
one. That' s why I' m telling you there' s no
45:38
experience. I think there is a need for much more appropriate technical advice,
45:44
if possible. The same thing happened with Trump. Trump said anything on Twitter
45:47
and then the diplomats had to go until they corrected the damage. Well,
45:52
the intense Mondino running to Brazil will give them big ones. You can see
45:55
Joker after seeing China with a giant box of curistas. Yeah, the point
46:02
is it' s missing. I think we have a misfortune in that.
46:07
International relations are complicated. That' s why you' re studying so much.
46:12
That is why it is so complex to be diplomatic and, unfortunately,
46:16
at a certain level. He takes it as a matter of seeing mute with
46:23
biscuits and chatting one afternoon deciding that and there really has to be a high
46:30
professional standard for this that there is no chido. When you say no one
46:34
must have repaired much in what Argentina has done, this is what a crisis
46:37
committee refers to abroad, not like the above. Of course it' s
46:39
not for many, it doesn' t seem, it wasn' t relevant,
46:45
it wasn' t no, no, no, it wasn' t
46:49
that it would have been all South America with him. Me. But I
46:50
' m saying it wasn' t very significant either. I say what we
46:52
can do We are buying twenty- four planes from Denmark that are very,
46:58
very old and that is good to have. Or that I don' t
47:00
know if it was time. Neither, but well, we' re not
47:07
a force either and I think we have to take care of the messages,
47:12
because with the two attacks that Argentina suffered, people are very scalded. It
47:15
' s his source Te Morgen gives him a lot of concern. I have
47:19
received good, but my read said that Miley, Miley and said did not
47:22
tell Fantino recently, those three hours of talk in neura, that we are
47:23
already on the radar, that we must be brave and blah, blah,
47:27
blah, no, but I do not know why we are on the radar
47:30
which good radar, because already past, according to that logic, because other
47:34
tatos have already passed, we are always going to stand on the radar and
47:37
then now there was a failure to contel radiating virtually Iran, and then,
47:42
well, we will be there. We must be courageous and here we must
47:43
support Israel as a place, although the Netaña Government is such a question,
47:46
a leader so questioned and corrupt. Oh, that' s fine. I
47:50
believe that the decision to support Israel in the remaining dimensions is not bad.
47:59
If you like, you' ve been severely assaulted. Israel over the whole
48:04
site. Yeah, good, but critical of the Gaso performance. But they
48:08
backed up a glass. You interrupted, you interrupted me when I was going
48:16
to tell you the truth, the flaw here is just looking at the picture
48:22
in a movie. The reality is that the war in Gasa is generating a
48:30
horror all over the world of people very much for unrealizing how he, the
48:35
head of the Democratic majority bloc in the U S Senate, who told him
48:43
Natanius or resigned I say, I don' t tell you left- handed,
48:46
I don' t tell you the yes. Of course I' m
48:49
talking about him starshment real world, way above Argentina. He asks you that
48:53
that' s a disaster, that' s wrong. Done, they tell
48:55
him planned and that' s not bad, because you didn' t choose
48:59
him. It' s not bad that you say you' re wrong.
49:07
Don' t insult pointing out the mistake at all. But my law is
49:10
that. Milady said to my surprise because you didn' t have to.
49:15
He said there' s no excess in gafo. Good as good. Well,
49:19
that pointed out is crazy, I mean, that' s a mistake.
49:22
Apart from madness, it' s a strategic mistake, because there are
49:29
excesses and you deny reality and well, actually, at some point knocking on
49:30
the door is in that sense. It' s a mistake. You'
49:34
re a little off your feet. Of course, if even the Allies make
49:37
those markings, why do you have to overdo it and say that there was
49:44
or is above the United States. I don' t know. Today you
49:47
' re going to do a little anecdote to entertain our listeners. There are
49:52
two journalists from one half of the colonists and relays against nationalists, he recontras
50:00
you religious. They' re going to love the lake, see Trump,
50:04
ask Trump for an interview where Trump was going to praise the tarnish, he
50:10
was going to praise the Gasa war process, he was going to say there
50:14
' s no excess. The first thing Trump says, Donald Trump, uh,
50:19
that' s a barbarity. Leave immediately. Israel' s prestige is
50:23
on the ground. This was ten days ago. Marcelo, Gracias, as
50:30
always hugged, hugged big, Marcelo, he cantelme construction plubal quickito, quickito.
50:36
We closed with Alejandro Rockman and his two audios. See you here tomorrow,
50:38
at four o' clock on the afternoon of interviewing our columnist Sergio de
50:42
Piero, and if you can talk, we' ll be with Gustavo Ferrari
50:45
Volpeso. Thank you, Juan, thank you Silvia b and go listening to
50:49
Rockmann Hello how you are. They' re talking to you. Alejandro Rofman
50:52
column on economic and social information key to an economic and social project. Those
51:01
of acquiring some indicators that account for the social dynamics, because there can be
51:08
a lot of growth, but that growth is appropriated to very few. Or,
51:14
on the contrary, there may be a sharp fall in economic activity,
51:17
but only affecting a small nucleus and inhabitants. But average values are systematized and,
51:24
above all, evolution over time are the most representative. They are the
51:30
evolution of employment and the real wages of those who work, of those who
51:36
give their permanent effort to productive activity, or those who have already worked in
51:40
their working life today who are retired and perceive to see this represent a retribution
51:49
to the effort made in their years of working life. In our case,
51:54
in the case of Argentina, we have approximately six million formal workers registered with
52:05
all those of the law, a figure that jumps slightly smaller, but not
52:08
much of informal workers who are propistas account, among whom work in companies that
52:21
do not formalize their income in mild, do not pay the contribution of employer
52:29
retirement, who appear as workers, but without dependency ratio because they are not
52:37
enrolled in the social welfare and health systems, and then there are retirees and
52:43
pensioners more or less. To give a global picture, there are twenty million
52:47
inhabitants that are divided by three There are six million, as I said before,
52:55
formal workers, so many others of informal work and a little more than
53:02
seven million between pensioners and pensioners. If one can have an approximate idea of
53:07
what part of the gross national income product captures all these inhabitants of the country
53:15
or how their income evolves over time can qualify the economic and social project that
53:21
is dominant in our case. If we look at the data today on real
53:29
wages, let' s warn there is an index that marks the respective trends.
53:35
Table month should be in case of consultation, as it is going forward
53:42
by the secretariat of work very clearly reports the profile of the current economic project.
53:53
We observe the evolution of this salary, which is called ripte, i
53:57
e it is called here in the here of the respective studies. It'
54:02
s the secretary of work with fitna that there' s a salary today I
54:07
say och February. In fact, because it is the last month in which
54:09
there is information, an average salary of six hundred and nineteen thousand pesos per
54:17
registered worker per formal worker, which is compared to the same indicator of twelve
54:23
months ago February of two thousand and twenty- three. It is a network
54:27
action, a reduction of twenty- four percent dropped that is concentrated mainly in
54:32
the period November twenty- three February twenty- four in which the fall slightly
54:38
exceeds. Nineteen percent. It is a very high regression that is only behind
54:46
in the last decades of which it was experienced when the military coup and installed
54:53
the dictatorship and the decrease was thirty- seven percentage points You are cano to
55:00
those experienced in one thousand nine hundred sixty- nine and one thousand nine thirty
55:05
- nine, when hyperinflations that affected the economy In both years they produced a
55:12
substantial fall in the real wage. But there is a noticeable difference in the
55:15
current data with the lack In the other three years that we mentioned was an
55:22
exceptional case, the first under a dictatorship, the second low a level of
55:29
exorbitant prices in its rate of growth, an issue that did not occur in
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our case. The level of price growth was on average my nine percent in
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the whole year two thousand twenty- three and cannot be considered, given the
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historical records, a very exaggerated bonto. You can perfectly follow that price line
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with the wage boards that make up for it. This was not the case
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in this first four months of the Millay government, because the exact one we
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have is December two thousand thirteen, which after the unusual evaluation that did not
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need to be made January and February, who won with that option monster big
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economic groups, soy producers, for example, or oil from the line of
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soy, corn wheat, products called coditis in the jarga of the world trade,
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tubes without steel, dubos, smooth, pipes for pipelines and hooducts,
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etc. It is clear then that the current price stampede that runs the real
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wage in a sensitive way, according to the information of the secreted one of
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work, is not preceded by the inflationary hypernomenous insulation and a singular mismatch of
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the evolution of such prices of goods and services. It is so phenomenal that
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the result of a conscious and deliberate decision and the Millet Government, which has
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damaged with unnecessary devaluation, is that there is no significant delay in changing myself
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and, moreover, exaggerated to the recipients of fixed income, starting with the
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real wages of formal workers, following the same concept for informal workers. The
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information is not up- to- date, but surely it has been more
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acute the retreat and culminating in pensioners, who have tended from an average fall
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of about thirty- five percent of their assets, that is, comparing what
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they perceived in November of the two thousand twenty- three. As of March
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of this figure is of the two thousand twenty- four the retirement or the
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average tension of all the seven million underprivileged by such surrender of resources of the
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national state Viga lances has fallen by a third is a tremendous liquation of salaries
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and retirement duties that clearly show who lost. Who in this bid to escape
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the excessive increase in prices, have been severely damaged in their real income level,
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their purchasing capacity. We' re looking back. We see that the
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most auspicious moment occurred in the year two thousand and fifteen, when Dr Cristina
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Fernández' s term of office ended. It was a long bond from the
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beginning of the century for fifteen years or less thirteen. Let us say if
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we take the moment when the recovery of greater sources of work and strengthening of
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the domestic market began. The government that succeeded Dr Fernández was that of Mauricio
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Mactriz Carranco, with a strong drop in salary, real recovery in the middle
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of the two thousand seventeen and a sudden census in the bideño eighteen nineteen,
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a real failure for the vast majority of the population, with evident damages in
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that case we are analyzing the living conditions of the formal workers. In the
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next constitutional period nineteen twenty- three, a slight drop of six percent of
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the real wage was verified, largely due to the pandemic of two thousand twenty
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and the drought of two thousand twenty, but also, certainly, of policies
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that were not very decisive or aggressive to preserve the income of formal workers,
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but were far from any hyperinfractionary crisis, as we have already suggested. The
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new government, that of the graduated Millay, with its object the fundamental equipment
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of destruction and not of construction, with a motorcycle war as central element that
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characterizes its policy, produced in the first place a devaluation with a strong inflationary
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blow and, in the second ended the beginning of massive cessations in the public
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sector, even of workers twenty or thirty years old. In three months the
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real wage fell, as we said, in the vast majority, through the
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reduction of the income of workers' assets that are protected by collective labour agreements
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by about thirty percent. The real dispossession of the purchasing power of formal workers
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is to be noted with these figures that inject the regressive and perverse profile of
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official economic policy. There is no prospect of recovery of the real wage,
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because it is established as a rule by the national state not to authorize solar
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increases above the inflation rate, that is to say all that we lost.
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My case, as a judge, entered twenty- five thirty, thirty-
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five percent of our purchasing capacity with the other abers by the official decision.
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We will not have to pursue the same economic policy. No repair for the
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lost and he withdrew to account in this regard. We already had an experience
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in the two thousand one very close in terms of the central idea of financing
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a zero defi and fiscal objective, reducing state spending, in this case only
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for the judicious and pensioners. But that the recession that accompanied that decline was
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the result of private workers not being able to claim compensatory adary increases and that
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marked a phenomenon of permanent remembrance of what we already perceived at that time.
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For example, in my castro retirement there was one of three tok signed by
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De la Rúa as President in two thousand one and Patricia Burrich as Minister of
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Labour, which reduced the value of retirements by thirteen percent. But fortunately,
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when Nestor Rcstion arrived, the government in the following year, in the following
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two thousand three, two years, in the two thousand three, indicated that
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this damage should be repaired to public workers than to retirees, and returned it
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with bonds that could be marketed in the respective market and so we could receive
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a return of the lost. Now, unfortunately, there is no perspective on
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this. S s. S. S. S.