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Speaker 2: We both are.
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Speaker 3: It's been a busy week, Jeff. You haven't been here
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Speaker 3: for a little bit, so free agency a lot has
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Speaker 3: been going on while you've been gone, a lot of
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Speaker 3: fresh faces. When you were kind of seeing all these
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Speaker 3: moves go down, what were your thought process? Because last
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Speaker 3: year they didn't do a lot of free agent signing, No, but.
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Speaker 2: I figured that they would be active. And of course,
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Speaker 2: even though I wasn't here, you always follow it because
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Speaker 2: I mean literally, you step away from your which is
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Speaker 2: our source for news nowadays. When you step away from
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Speaker 2: your phone for an hour, you miss a whole bunch
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Speaker 2: of stories. So I was keeping up with my phone,
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Speaker 2: especially with the start of free agency, pretty much NonStop
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Speaker 2: throughout the day. You know, I'm probably a little annoying
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Speaker 2: at times. You're, you know, at spring break with the
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Speaker 2: family and you're checking your phone to see what's going on.
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Speaker 2: But uh, but I thought it was very impressive. The
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Speaker 2: thing that impressed me the most that I've always been
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Speaker 2: a big fan that free agency should be an opportunity
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Speaker 2: to plug holes, and not necessarily necessarily to plug holes
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Speaker 2: with high priced free agents, but to plug holes with
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Speaker 2: good players, some expensive, some not, so that when you
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Speaker 2: go into the draft, you can address the draft in
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Speaker 2: not a needs way, but in a best available player's way,
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Speaker 2: because I think that's the only way that you survive
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Speaker 2: in the National Football League year after year.
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Speaker 3: So many moving parts. Welcome into Jaguars Happy Hour here
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Speaker 3: we were just talking about this big free agency class.
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Speaker 3: They also were kind of adding they added via trade
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Speaker 3: to their backup quarterback obviously, and then signing Mitch Morres
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Speaker 3: before free agency started. We've been talking about this offensive
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Speaker 3: line for months now at this point. Obviously the back
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Speaker 3: end of last season that was a huge problem. Does
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Speaker 3: kind of sharing up this center, which was an issue,
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Speaker 3: does that hurten you a little bit that they're taking
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Speaker 3: it seriously?
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Speaker 2: Well? I remember me and JP had this conversation and
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Speaker 2: JP was kind of the mind that, hey, you gotta
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Speaker 2: upgrade that. And my whole point was that, look, you
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Speaker 2: can call it that, but I like to refer to
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Speaker 2: it as competition. You can bring in more competition because
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Speaker 2: it's not the It would be wrong to assume that
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Speaker 2: Luke Fortner can't compete for the starting job, but to
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Speaker 2: bring somebody in to compete with him. And I thought
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Speaker 2: Mitch Moore signing, I think it was very good. There's
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Speaker 2: a little history there because Doug Peterson spent a year
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Speaker 2: with him in Kansas City when he was I think
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Speaker 2: a fourth round draft pick for the Kansas City Chiefs
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Speaker 2: way back. When he's a good football player. He is
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Speaker 2: much better I think in past protection than he is
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Speaker 2: in run blocking. But to create competition with signings in
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Speaker 2: some situations to I don't want to say shore up
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Speaker 2: a weakness, but to get better, I think is a
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Speaker 2: better way to put it. Is a great thing. I
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Speaker 2: love that signing. I think it's cost affordable. The money's
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Speaker 2: not crazy, and with Eric Armsett it's a little different.
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Speaker 2: Money goes up a little bit, but you're talking a
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Speaker 2: premiere player at a premium position and so the cost
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Speaker 2: goes up a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I like when you bring up competing because I
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Speaker 3: think a lot of the issues. I mean, people were
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe mad a little bit. They kind of
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Speaker 3: ran it back if you want to say it last year.
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Speaker 3: But you have to have that competition because if you
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Speaker 3: don't have someone kind of behind you pushing you, you're
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Speaker 3: may not get the best out of some people. Some
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Speaker 3: people aren't built that way, right. They need that kind
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Speaker 3: of oh someone's behind me kind of push them along. Yes,
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Speaker 3: they're professional athletes. You should be motivated on your own.
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Speaker 3: There's plenty of other reasons, but sometimes you need that
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Speaker 3: friendly competition in camp, like, hey, I need to go
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Speaker 3: in or some is gonna take my job.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a saying out there and I
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Speaker 2: hate it. Iron sharpens iron.
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Speaker 3: Oh, Trent Bulky loves iron.
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Speaker 2: I hate it. It's like, wait a minute, look, great
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Speaker 2: players make make other players better, you know, and and
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Speaker 2: competition makes everybody better, I think is an easier way
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Speaker 2: to put it. And so even like an Eric Armstead,
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Speaker 2: I mean he's going to come in, he's going to
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Speaker 2: come in and he's going to come in and compete.
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Speaker 2: I mean, clearly he's going to have a step above
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Speaker 2: the rest because he's a proven player and he's been
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Speaker 2: a proven player for a long period of time. But
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Speaker 2: the one thing that he has to do, he's got
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Speaker 2: to be able to compete with himself to get healthy
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Speaker 2: because from I understand, he's going to be having an
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Speaker 2: off season surgery and to get back to the form
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Speaker 2: that where if you look at him a couple of
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Speaker 2: years ago, and he was a double digit sack guy.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying he's got to be a double
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Speaker 2: jit digit sack guy, but his availability obviously is a
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Speaker 2: big thing. You want to make sure that he's available
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Speaker 2: so that he can play for you and have the
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Speaker 2: impact that he's had in the past. For the forty
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Speaker 2: nine ers.
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Speaker 3: We're gonna hear from Eric Armstead a little bit later
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Speaker 3: on the show. He was great kind of in the
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Speaker 3: press conference what we've heard from him so far, he
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Speaker 3: brings in an interesting aspect I've talked about just kind
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Speaker 3: of that that leadership. A lot of these free agents
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Speaker 3: are from winning franchises and franchises that have sustained that,
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Speaker 3: you know, playoffs every season. You know, if it's a
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Speaker 3: San Francisco Buffalo, the Ravens, they understand what that's going
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Speaker 3: to take in the day to day basis. And I
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Speaker 3: think sometime bringing in a veteran presence like that to
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Speaker 3: have someone to look forward to, like, hey, this is
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Speaker 3: what we need to do every week if we want
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Speaker 3: to continue and make the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: Well end quality people, Yes, of course, I think that's
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Speaker 2: a big tast that standard. Yeah, And that's one thing
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Speaker 2: that I give Trent ball Key credit for. And you
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Speaker 2: can debate some of his draft picks, but the one
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Speaker 2: thing I think that you can't debate with Trent and
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Speaker 2: what Doug has done, what they've done together, is the
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Speaker 2: quality of people that they've brought in. Have That's been
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Speaker 2: something that they're not going to, you know, soften up
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Speaker 2: on at all. They believe that that works, and I
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Speaker 2: believe it does too. And Eric Armstead is a perfect example.
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Speaker 2: I mean, talk about a high quality guy, high character guy.
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Speaker 2: I mean, exactly what you want on top of the
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Speaker 2: leadership thing. So those were positives, and you know, but
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Speaker 2: the beginning line to okay qualification is he a good
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Speaker 2: player or not? I mean, because they got to fill
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Speaker 2: that category first, and then you want to make sure
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Speaker 2: that they have the other qualities as well. And from
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Speaker 2: the looks of it, it seemed like all of these
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Speaker 2: guys have that or those qualities.
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Speaker 3: And do you want to touch on someone that's not here.
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Speaker 3: We were talking about it, you know, for weeks. Calvin
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Speaker 3: Ridley seemed like, you know, maybe he's coming back. Obviously,
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Speaker 3: they wanted to wait until free agency so they didn't
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Speaker 3: lose that second round pick, and they didn't, but they
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Speaker 3: ended up kind of losing their guy. Do you feel
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Speaker 3: like this was an opportunity that maybe the Jaguars messed
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Speaker 3: up with or was it just kind of the Titans
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Speaker 3: caming out of nowhere.
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Speaker 2: With a bag they did not mess up. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to stay true to what I said a while ago,
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Speaker 2: and me and JP had this conversation. I've asked been
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Speaker 2: asked many times by different fans around the city and
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Speaker 2: They've asked me, what do you think about Calvin Ridley?
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Speaker 2: I said, I like them. I like them. They're like,
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Speaker 2: you know, should we tag them? We want to keep
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Speaker 2: them right, I'm like, oh no. I mean, first of all,
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Speaker 2: if you tag now, you're giving up a higher draft
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Speaker 2: pick number one and number two. You're committing a lot
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Speaker 2: of money to what may be only one year. Now
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Speaker 2: what sense does that make to give a third round
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Speaker 2: pick for what may end up being one year of
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Speaker 2: service and the cost of the money. I don't forget
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Speaker 2: what happened during the course of the year with Calvin Ridley.
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Speaker 2: There were times where the quarterback and him were not
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Speaker 2: on the same page, that Calvin didn't seem to have
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Speaker 2: awareness on certain plays. And I'm not saying that he
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Speaker 2: was a bad player. I think he's a good player.
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Speaker 2: I think in year two he would have been even better.
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Speaker 2: But everything wasn't great last year. So let's not act
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Speaker 2: like that this was Christian Kirk of two years ago,
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Speaker 2: you know, because that's not the case. And the amount
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Speaker 2: of money that the Tennessee Titans paid you can't compete
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Speaker 2: with that. I mean, if somebody wants to pay him that,
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Speaker 2: then what power to him? But not you. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you can't commit that kind of money or resources to
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Speaker 2: that because you've got other holes that you need to
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Speaker 2: be filled on your football team. And the thing that
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Speaker 2: this team needs to do they need to draft and
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Speaker 2: develop wide receivers. And there's nothing wrong with that. But
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Speaker 2: here's the other thing. Gabe Davis is a really good
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Speaker 2: football player. Last time I checked, he was averaging seventeen
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Speaker 2: yards of catch the last two years. And he's a
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Speaker 2: big guy. He's not a burner, but he's a guy
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Speaker 2: that I think that uses his size very well. He's
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Speaker 2: very smart, and when you average seventeen yards a catch,
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Speaker 2: you're doing something right. And so I'm a big fan
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Speaker 2: of that signing. And a lot of people may kind
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Speaker 2: of push it off and say, well, it's not Calvin Ridley.
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Gabe Davis. If you look at his
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Speaker 2: numbers from a production standpoint, I think he's averaging like
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Speaker 2: seven touchdowns a year. He's given you seventeen yards a catch.
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Speaker 2: He's six foot two to two hundred and twenty five pounds.
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Speaker 2: He's a good football player and he'll fit, I think,
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Speaker 2: into this offense very well. So I think the Jaguars
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Speaker 2: did a very good job with the signing of Gabe Davis.
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Speaker 3: We've been talking a little bit about it on jagsam
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Speaker 3: John Oser and I have a little bit about you know,
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Speaker 3: maybe two years ago, when Trevor had a little bit
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Speaker 3: more of you didn't necessarily have a receiver you felt
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Speaker 3: you had to feed all the time, like maybe Calvin,
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Speaker 3: where if you're not giving him a certain amount of balls,
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Speaker 3: he might not be into the game.
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Speaker 2: We saw some of that last year.
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Speaker 3: He could spread the ball around a little bit more
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Speaker 3: when they had Marvin Jones Junior. And is that kind
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Speaker 3: of maybe a dynamic they might move forward with now
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Speaker 3: where they have kind of Gabe Davis, Christian Kirk again,
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Speaker 3: you know Zay if he's healthy, and Evan Ingram where
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Speaker 3: they'll spread the ball a little bit around instead of
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Speaker 3: having to feed one person.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you got Justin Jefferson, you feed him the ball.
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Speaker 3: Sure, no one's going to say that. Of course, there
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Speaker 3: are exceptions to.
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Speaker 2: The rule, so it's all dependent upon what the talent
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Speaker 2: level of your players are telling you you should how
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Speaker 2: you should utilize them. Calvin Ridley, to me, wasn't a
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Speaker 2: player that you should force him the ball because he
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Speaker 2: he's that kind of a player. I think he's a
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Speaker 2: really good player, but not the kind of player to
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Speaker 2: the level of a Justin Jefferson where you feed him.
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Speaker 2: But I think that there were times that they felt
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Speaker 2: like that they had to feed him the ball to
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Speaker 2: keep him involved and to keep his attention throughout the
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Speaker 2: course of a game. And that's not what you want.
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Speaker 2: You want to let things happen organically in the system.
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Speaker 2: And that's the way Doug Peterson's offenses have always worked.
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Speaker 2: And again, you don't go into it saying, Okay, you
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Speaker 2: know what, we don't need the guy. When you have
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Speaker 2: a guy and he turns out to be that guy
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Speaker 2: and he commands that, then you give it to him.
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Speaker 2: But right now you don't have that. Until you do
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Speaker 2: you run the offense.
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Speaker 3: Where do you look at in terms of everyone says
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Speaker 3: this is a deep wide receiver draft. We'll have a
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Speaker 3: couple more weeks to go into every single particular person
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Speaker 3: they might be looking at. But is that going to
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Speaker 3: be one of the higher picks? Does it have to
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Speaker 3: be wide receiver? There's other needs on this team and
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Speaker 3: some of those are harder to draft later on in
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Speaker 3: the draft. So do you maybe go cornerback early. Where
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Speaker 3: are you kind of looking at in terms of the
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Speaker 3: wide receiver group. Are they going to establish a lot
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Speaker 3: of draft picks to that or is it going to
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Speaker 3: be a higher pick.
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Speaker 2: I think it's a great question, and I'm going to
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Speaker 2: go back to what I kind of said a little
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Speaker 2: bit ago, and because I think that's the answer for
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Speaker 2: everything when it comes to the draft. Take the best player,
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Speaker 2: and if it's a wide receiver, then you take it
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Speaker 2: a wide receiver. If it's a defensive tackle, even though
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Speaker 2: you drafted Eric Armstead, okay, then you draft the best
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Speaker 2: defensive tackle. If he's the best player. It's the greatest
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Speaker 2: chance of continuing the lifeline of a franchise in the
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Speaker 2: future is by drafting the best player, not somebody who, well,
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Speaker 2: he's going to plug a hole here. Now could defensive back?
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Speaker 2: You know, is that going to be something that's going
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Speaker 2: to be addressed. Sure it is, because you draft corners
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Speaker 2: every year, and you should because that's one of the
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Speaker 2: most if you look at it from a number standpoint,
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Speaker 2: defensive back. I mean, there's there's five guys on the
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Speaker 2: field for the most part, sometimes six on your defensive
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Speaker 2: side of the ball. So it's a position of importance
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Speaker 2: just because of a number standpoint. Wide receiver is also
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Speaker 2: a position of important from a number standpoint because this
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Speaker 2: offense runs three wide receivers all the time, sometimes four,
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Speaker 2: so you need to have those two positions. But again,
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Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of saying, well, you know,
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Speaker 2: you take the wide receiver in two and then the
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Speaker 2: corner in three. I will say this in the league today,
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Speaker 2: the corner position and the wide receiver position have become
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Speaker 2: more premium positions than they have been in the past.
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Speaker 2: You know, typically the big guys are always kind of
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Speaker 2: up there with the quarterbacks, but because it's such a
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Speaker 2: passing oriented league now it's become even more important to
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Speaker 2: get those two positions. So yeah, it'll be interesting to
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Speaker 2: see what their mindset is. I mean with the release
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Speaker 2: or the weakness that they have at defensive back. And
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Speaker 2: they did have a signing in free agency that is
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Speaker 2: up because what's his name Williams that left Darius Williams
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Speaker 2: and that was surprising to me. But then you sign
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Speaker 2: a guy in free agency again, you plug that hole
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Speaker 2: so now you can draft best available player. So it'll
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Speaker 2: be interesting to see what their mindset is. And I
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Speaker 2: haven't jumped into the draft deep enough yet to know,
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Speaker 2: but from what I understand, there's a lot of wide
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Speaker 2: receivers and a lot of corners, so you should be
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Speaker 2: able to get what you want in different places.
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Speaker 3: We say that, but identifying and getting the talent is
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Speaker 3: always is always difficult because before the draft we think
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Speaker 3: we have everything planned out, but well, the draft, you know,
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Speaker 3: never goes the way we think it's going to go.
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Speaker 2: And the reality is it's a it's a numbers game,
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Speaker 2: you know, a percentages game, whatever you want to call it.
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Speaker 2: The draft, you do, you typically have less than a
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Speaker 2: fifty percent chance of hitting on a pick. I mean,
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Speaker 2: just look at it. I mean, and this organization has
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Speaker 2: not drafted very well. And it's history even going from
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Speaker 2: the first round, which you know, your percentages should be
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Speaker 2: higher in the first round. And so the organization needs
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Speaker 2: to do a better job of drafting so that the lifeblood,
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Speaker 2: the supply of talent continues to roll in to supplement
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Speaker 2: this football team year after year. So it's going to
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Speaker 2: be interesting to see what they do with the draft,
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Speaker 2: you know, hopefully this year also from a production standpoint,
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Speaker 2: because last year's draft class didn't get a whole lot
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Speaker 2: out of Hopefully there's more out of that this year
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Speaker 2: in year two.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's going to definitely be part of
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Speaker 3: the plan, right because of some of those players that
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Speaker 3: we drafted last year, you need to see them on
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Speaker 3: the field more because we just don't know what's there
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Speaker 3: right now. Right whether it's Tank Bigsby or you know,
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Speaker 3: Brenton Strange, A lot of them we didn't see enough
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Speaker 3: of to really know. So I know that's predicated by
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Speaker 3: whatever's happening on the field, whether you can actually give
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Speaker 3: them the ball or not.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, I like Strange. I mean, I think Strange showed
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Speaker 2: me enough that the one issue that I would have
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Speaker 2: with Strange is that they didn't really use him in
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Speaker 2: a role that justified him being picked in the second round,
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Speaker 2: because it kind of used him as a full back,
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Speaker 2: blocking tight blocking tight end and it wasn't he wasn't
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Speaker 2: really a big part of the passing attack. Well, if
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Speaker 2: that's kind of was your role for him, then that's
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Speaker 2: not really where you draft that at. And but I
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Speaker 2: think that there will be an expanded role for him
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Speaker 2: going forward. I hope so. And I hope Tank Biggs
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Speaker 2: biggs By gains confidence because what we saw in training
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Speaker 2: camp last year, and not just me, but the coaches
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Speaker 2: and all of his teammates were very excited about his production.
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Speaker 2: And then things didn't happen very very good at the
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Speaker 2: beginning of the year, and then I think the confidence
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Speaker 2: from him and then also from the coaching staff waned,
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Speaker 2: and then it's hard to kind of get back up.
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Speaker 2: And once you kind of get in a so called slump.
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Speaker 3: And running back is one of those positions you need
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Speaker 3: the ball right to be able to do something. So
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Speaker 3: he wasn't getting a ton of carries either.
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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean also, but you know.
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Speaker 3: Got to earn it. I get it. It's tough.
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Speaker 2: It's one of those things where, Okay, you handle the
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Speaker 2: ball a few times, then you want to see some
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Speaker 2: production when you give it to him a few times.
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Speaker 2: And if you looked at last year, they handed it
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Speaker 2: to him a few times and there were some plays
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Speaker 2: that didn't go so well. So now the coach's confidence
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Speaker 2: wanes a little bit, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: the opportunity starts to drop. And then when he has
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Speaker 2: the opportunities in the future, then I think you could
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Speaker 2: kind of see that he was pressing because he wanted
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Speaker 2: to make up for maybe the mistakes that he made
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Speaker 2: or didn't want to mess up. And then so when
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Speaker 2: you get in that situation, I don't think it's good
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Speaker 2: for anybody. And I think he'll be better in year
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Speaker 2: two because I mean, look, he's been a good football
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Speaker 2: player before, and good football players just don't all of
16:09
Speaker 2: a sudden just lose it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's played, you know, he was at Auburn.
16:12
Speaker 3: There was tough situations there. He never transferred out, he
16:15
Speaker 3: stayed there, battle through. He's got the mentality for it.
16:17
Speaker 3: So I'm hoping to see the same thing.
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Speaker 2: He'll be fine, He'll be fine. But I'm looking forward
16:20
Speaker 2: to seeing what his production is this year. And in
16:24
Speaker 2: Breton Strange, I want to I want to see him
16:26
Speaker 2: with a similar role but also a different role because
16:29
Speaker 2: he's a really good blocker. But I want to see
16:32
Speaker 2: him get the ball at times because.
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Speaker 3: We least see if he can, like we got to
16:35
Speaker 3: know he's got some talent. All Right, We're here on
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Speaker 3: Happy Hour presented by Saint John's River Water Management Districts.
16:41
Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, we're going to hear from
16:42
Speaker 3: new defensive lineman Eric Armstead what he has to say
16:45
Speaker 3: what he thinks he brings to the mix here on
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Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 4: The Jags were a good team before me. And you know,
17:04
Speaker 4: whenever I enter a situation, you know, not just football,
17:08
Speaker 4: but in life in general, and when I meet people,
17:10
Speaker 4: when i'm you know, enter a situation working with people,
17:14
Speaker 4: you know, I want to make the place better than
17:17
Speaker 4: what I founded. I want to make a positive impact one.
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Speaker 2: So I think this team was already.
17:24
Speaker 4: A phenomenal team, and I think I can help get
17:27
Speaker 4: them to the next level. So having that opportunity is
17:30
Speaker 4: something I look forward to as well.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Jaguars Happy Our Ka, Nannie Stephens, Jeff
17:36
Speaker 3: Logerman in JP is off today. We're brought to you
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Speaker 3: by the Saint John's River Water Management District, Florida's water
17:43
Speaker 3: It's worth saving. Eric Armstead, the newest addition to the
17:45
Speaker 3: defensive line, saying all the right things he does bring
17:48
Speaker 3: that veteran presence. We talked a little bit about battling
17:51
Speaker 3: through that injury, but if he is healthy and when
17:54
Speaker 3: he returns he's healthy, that could be something to kind
17:57
Speaker 3: of see what he's able to do on that line.
17:58
Speaker 3: We talked about needing more and just stronger, bigger guys
18:02
Speaker 3: on both sides of the line.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought was the most important thing for this
18:06
Speaker 2: team in the off season was addressing the trenches and
18:10
Speaker 2: offensive line, defensive line, especially at the tackle position, and
18:14
Speaker 2: then depth at the edges there. Eric Armstead is big,
18:18
Speaker 2: long and strong. He reminds me a lot of Kalais
18:21
Speaker 2: Campbell in some respects, just because he's just so long,
18:26
Speaker 2: and he's a really good football player that's athletic on
18:31
Speaker 2: top of being big, long and strong. But then he's
18:34
Speaker 2: got a great awareness to him and going to be
18:37
Speaker 2: doing some film room stuff with him coming up, and
18:39
Speaker 2: from watching the film, he does some things that he
18:41
Speaker 2: is really smart and aware of certain situations and he
18:46
Speaker 2: anticipates things, and that's what you would expect out of
18:49
Speaker 2: a nine year player going into year ten. And so
18:53
Speaker 2: if he can get healthy, I think he's going to
18:55
Speaker 2: be a really, really good acquisition for this football team.
18:58
Speaker 2: But it won't prohibit this foot team from looking at
19:00
Speaker 2: defensive tackles in the draft, or should it should not
19:04
Speaker 2: prohibit this team from looking at that position.
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Speaker 3: It's a three year deal that he's signed, so as
19:09
Speaker 3: you mentioned, he's entering his tenth year, So of course they're.
19:11
Speaker 2: Gonna be the money. I didn't see what they think.
19:13
Speaker 2: It was fifty ish, Yeah, probably about right.
19:18
Speaker 3: That's probably it sounds about right.
19:19
Speaker 2: A player of his caliber, I mean, sure is this
19:22
Speaker 2: not cheap?
19:23
Speaker 3: And it's the intangibles you bring in, right, We're talking
19:25
Speaker 3: about someone that's been there, done that at a sustained level.
19:28
Speaker 3: And also, let's hear a little bit we're gonna hear
19:30
Speaker 3: from Eric Arms that actually talked a little bit about
19:32
Speaker 3: what it means to him to kind of be playing
19:34
Speaker 3: with Josh and Trayvon on this team.
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Speaker 4: I think it's important, you know, especially in the league
19:41
Speaker 4: this long, that no one can do it on their own.
19:44
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of situations where you know, guys
19:50
Speaker 4: aren't you know, you don't get the full potential out
19:54
Speaker 4: of guys because you know they're not around it with
19:56
Speaker 4: other great players as well too. So I'm excited to,
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Speaker 4: you know, take the field with those guys and you know,
20:03
Speaker 4: learn and learn some depas together and I start that journey.
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Speaker 3: We've seen Josh and Trayvon bounce off each other. They
20:11
Speaker 3: certainly help each other out there getting sacks or whatever
20:13
Speaker 3: it might be. But having someone like Eric Armstead on
20:16
Speaker 3: the line has to benefit everybody else.
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Speaker 2: Oh he's trust me, Josh and Trayvon are going to
20:22
Speaker 2: be thrilled. Eric comes from that, I mean, he came
20:27
Speaker 2: from having Bosa on the outside, so that's not anything
20:30
Speaker 2: new for him, having a talented player on the outside.
20:34
Speaker 2: But he's going to help those two guys on the
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Speaker 2: outside a ton And I just hope that the Jaguars
20:40
Speaker 2: are able to draft and develop somebody that can be
20:44
Speaker 2: groomed for that position in the future, because that's that's
20:47
Speaker 2: a premium position. It's hard to find three technique pass
20:51
Speaker 2: rushers that can do it year in and year out.
20:53
Speaker 2: I mean even if you have, for example, if you
20:56
Speaker 2: have an edge rusher and he's getting ten sacks a year,
20:59
Speaker 2: double digits, you've got a really good player For an
21:02
Speaker 2: interior pass rusher. To get ten sacks, that's considered great
21:07
Speaker 2: for an interior guy. And Armstead has been in that.
21:11
Speaker 2: You know that five plus anywhere up to ten in
21:14
Speaker 2: his career, which is really good and really consistent. But again,
21:20
Speaker 2: that's you got to have two on the inside, and
21:23
Speaker 2: a lot of people are going to say, well, you
21:24
Speaker 2: know what, you can move Trayvon on the inside and
21:26
Speaker 2: you can find a guy on the outside. Well that
21:28
Speaker 2: you can do that if you find an edge guy
21:31
Speaker 2: to compliment everybody else, but that's not Trayvon is a
21:35
Speaker 2: first and foremost he's more of an edge player. He
21:37
Speaker 2: doesn't have the size to be on the inside down
21:41
Speaker 2: after down. A lot of people think that that's where
21:43
Speaker 2: he belongs naturally, and it kind of gets a littlennoying
21:47
Speaker 2: here in that, because I mean, Trayvon is an end
21:50
Speaker 2: type player. If he goes inside, then I think it's
21:53
Speaker 2: going to be in more of a pass rush type
21:55
Speaker 2: of situation. But he that's not where he's going to
21:57
Speaker 2: make his living at.
21:59
Speaker 3: Are you excited to kind of see what Ryan Nielsen
22:01
Speaker 3: is gonna do with this new roster he has on defense?
22:04
Speaker 3: Obviously we know it's going to be a different scheme
22:06
Speaker 3: than what we've seen before, but what he's going to
22:07
Speaker 3: be able to do with these pieces.
22:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, the chess pieces are gonna dictate what you can
22:13
Speaker 2: and can't do. And I hate to use players as
22:17
Speaker 2: chess pieces, but in the scheme of things, that's kind
22:21
Speaker 2: of what it is when you look at scheme, and
22:23
Speaker 2: so for for coaches, you want to find out what
22:26
Speaker 2: you have before you kind of determine what you do.
22:28
Speaker 2: You're gonna have everything in the book because you're going
22:30
Speaker 2: to try to have some flexibility and be multiple, and
22:33
Speaker 2: that's a popular term among coaches nowadays. But I think
22:37
Speaker 2: Ryan's gonna learn pretty quick what he has and what
22:40
Speaker 2: he doesn't have. One of the biggest things that dictate
22:44
Speaker 2: dictates your style is going to be your corner position.
22:48
Speaker 2: So I mean, where are you going to be at
22:51
Speaker 2: And so you got Darby Okay to replace a guy,
22:54
Speaker 2: but you know, are you going to draft a guy
22:56
Speaker 2: or are you going to do it high? You know,
22:58
Speaker 2: what is your covered situation going to be? Because we saw,
23:02
Speaker 2: for example, you look at the last couple years. In
23:04
Speaker 2: the last two years the Jaguars defense, they wanted to
23:07
Speaker 2: be more of a man based defense, but they learned
23:10
Speaker 2: quickly that that was not the style that they could
23:13
Speaker 2: have success with. So the players dictate a lot of that.
23:16
Speaker 2: So I hope that they can get more talent in
23:20
Speaker 2: at that corner position to be able to play more
23:22
Speaker 2: man coverage because it will allow Ryan Nielsen to be
23:24
Speaker 2: more multiple and do a lot of different things. Because
23:27
Speaker 2: that's when defense has become dangerous, is when they can
23:29
Speaker 2: do a lot a lot of things good because then
23:31
Speaker 2: you can disguise and look one way and play another way,
23:35
Speaker 2: and it's hard for offensive coordinators to really find a
23:38
Speaker 2: rhythm when you have a defense that you can do
23:41
Speaker 2: a lot of different things and do well.
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23:59
Speaker 3: a little bit about this already, but you know, they
24:01
Speaker 3: cut Rayson, they cut Darius, and then they kind of
24:04
Speaker 3: filled back in with Darby and Savage. But dB has
24:09
Speaker 3: to be on the draft list, right Obviously you're going
24:11
Speaker 3: to see how the board falls, but i'd imagine you
24:13
Speaker 3: want to get some young talent in there and see
24:15
Speaker 3: what you got. Also, Antonio Johnson, we have to mention
24:17
Speaker 3: we'll see more playing time from him and where they're
24:18
Speaker 3: going to use him.
24:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ray Seon thing cutting him totally understood that
24:24
Speaker 2: I kind of predicted at the end of the year
24:26
Speaker 2: last year. Once we kind of got a look at
24:27
Speaker 2: Antonio Johnson and his skill level. I said, well, I
24:31
Speaker 2: love Rayshon and he was the hero, you know what,
24:34
Speaker 2: not last year, but the year before that. You know,
24:36
Speaker 2: the Dallas game, the Tennessee game. He had two huge
24:38
Speaker 2: plays in those games, game winners. And you'd hate to
24:42
Speaker 2: have to say goodbye to a guy like that, but look,
24:44
Speaker 2: that's part of the business. And with the development of
24:47
Speaker 2: Antonio Johnson, I could kind of see that coming. Didn't
24:51
Speaker 2: necessarily see the Darius Williams thing coming. I thought he
24:55
Speaker 2: had arguably one of the best seasons of a corner
24:58
Speaker 2: in the league, probably in the top ten. But I
25:02
Speaker 2: understand it. You know, the cap ramifications. Darby's a guy
25:05
Speaker 2: that comes in, he's got experience, costs a whole lot less.
25:09
Speaker 2: So but I think you know, when you were asking
25:12
Speaker 2: earlier about where do you think the Jaguars will use
25:15
Speaker 2: a pick to get a wide receiver and maybe a corner,
25:18
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the corner is going to be
25:21
Speaker 2: round one, round two, round three. It'll be somewhere near
25:24
Speaker 2: the top because once you get out of round one,
25:28
Speaker 2: two or three, the percentages of that player hitting, you know,
25:33
Speaker 2: and it's the percentages of games always, but the percentages
25:36
Speaker 2: for that position are.
25:38
Speaker 3: Not very high, not good adds No, I'm definitely going
25:40
Speaker 3: to go early if you want to get a.
25:41
Speaker 2: dB force, if you want to get a good one.
25:43
Speaker 3: A good one, a talented one, which is what we want.
25:46
Speaker 2: Well, look, you have Tyson Campbell right now, but Tyson
25:48
Speaker 2: Campbell is not coming off the best year.
25:51
Speaker 3: And he's going to be up for contract him and
25:52
Speaker 3: Cisco next year. So these are kind of proven years
25:54
Speaker 3: for them as well well.
25:56
Speaker 2: And you know the great thing about having players that
25:58
Speaker 2: are good if they end up having to walk. And
26:02
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens have been the best in the league
26:04
Speaker 2: at that is that they continue to replenish the roster
26:08
Speaker 2: with their draft and then they allow certain players to walk,
26:12
Speaker 2: then they in return get compensatory picks to be able
26:15
Speaker 2: to draft replacements. And I mean, so the Ravens are
26:18
Speaker 2: one of the best at it. With Ozzie Newsom and
26:20
Speaker 2: now Eric Tacosta there are two of the best at that.
26:23
Speaker 2: And you know, this organization is trying to get to
26:25
Speaker 2: that style to where they're constantly replenishing, you know, and
26:29
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley is going to be a compensatory pick reward
26:32
Speaker 2: for this football team in twenty twenty five, and so
26:36
Speaker 2: sometimes you have to look at it from that perspective
26:38
Speaker 2: that even if we let certain players walk that are good, hey,
26:42
Speaker 2: what can we replace them with and what can we
26:44
Speaker 2: get in return by letting them walk?
26:47
Speaker 3: Right halfway through here on Happy Hour, when we return,
26:49
Speaker 3: we're going to talk a little bit about the offense,
26:51
Speaker 3: the wide receiver room, that offensive line, all that more
26:54
Speaker 3: here on Jaguar's Happy Hour.
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Speaker 5: I feel like I'm I'm very versatile and can you know,
27:13
Speaker 5: play any type of game that any we play, whichever week,
27:16
Speaker 5: any any other week, you know, so that I feel
27:19
Speaker 5: like that's what I bring. I was a twenty four
27:21
Speaker 5: year old captain at Buffalo. I feel like I I
27:25
Speaker 5: I got good leadership skills and I was voted back
27:28
Speaker 5: to back hardest worker there as well. Uh That's what
27:31
Speaker 5: I try to to to prove to my teammates that
27:33
Speaker 5: they can trust me because they see the sacrifice that
27:35
Speaker 5: I put in for my team and they see that.
27:38
Speaker 5: You know, I love this game and I don't take
27:40
Speaker 5: it for granted cause it's brought me so much. So
27:42
Speaker 5: I try to show the guys that you know when
27:44
Speaker 5: times are tough, they can they they can depend on me.
27:48
Speaker 3: That's your new wide receiver, Gabe Davis here on Happy Hour,
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Speaker 3: presented by the Saint John's River Water Management District, Florida's
27:53
Speaker 3: water It's worth saving, Jeff, I know you're a big
27:56
Speaker 3: fan of Gabe dab Love that guy, what he's been
27:57
Speaker 3: able to do. Big play Gabe over there.
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Speaker 2: YEA, love him. I mean just listening to him right there.
28:02
Speaker 2: I mean if you don't love that, I mean there's
28:05
Speaker 2: there's something wrong with you. Sure you know he doesn't
28:07
Speaker 2: take anything for granted, how hard he works, and he's
28:12
Speaker 2: the impressive parts. When they signed him, I remember looking
28:14
Speaker 2: at his numbers, and that's kind of the first thing
28:16
Speaker 2: you look at is say, Okay, let me see what
28:18
Speaker 2: he's done. And over the last couple of years he's
28:21
Speaker 2: averaged about seventeen yards a reception average, about seven touchdowns.
28:25
Speaker 2: He hasn't had a ton of balls, but I think
28:29
Speaker 2: he's going to get more balls than he's gotten in
28:31
Speaker 2: the past here than he has gotten in Buffalo. And
28:35
Speaker 2: so my first thought was, and this also, we're going
28:37
Speaker 2: to take a look at him in the film room
28:39
Speaker 2: coming up on Jaguars social media is Okay, you see
28:44
Speaker 2: that seventeen yards of catch and your first reaction is,
28:46
Speaker 2: guy must have great speed. So my first thing after
28:50
Speaker 2: looking at his numbers, I said, okay, well if he's
28:52
Speaker 2: got seventeen yards a catch, because I always knew they
28:54
Speaker 2: called him big play game for reason, so I kind
28:56
Speaker 2: of knew that he had a high yards per catch average.
29:00
Speaker 2: And so I said, okay, well, if he's not fast,
29:02
Speaker 2: how is he doing it? Because he only ran like
29:03
Speaker 2: four or five five reportedly coming out of college. So
29:07
Speaker 2: start watching the film on him, and he does so
29:11
Speaker 2: many different subtle things. He's a great route runner, he's
29:15
Speaker 2: got great size, and he works as a tailoff. When
29:19
Speaker 2: he talks about working hard, scramble rules situation with Josh Allen,
29:24
Speaker 2: his quarterback at Buffalo, him and Josh had a nice
29:28
Speaker 2: single on in scramble rules because he always worked to
29:30
Speaker 2: get open first quarterback and a lot of his big
29:33
Speaker 2: plays came from that situation. And then he used his
29:35
Speaker 2: size to create separation. Pass interference probably could have been
29:40
Speaker 2: called him a few situations, but he's very smart about it.
29:43
Speaker 2: And then the good ones are so I love the signing.
29:46
Speaker 2: And if somebody had asked me straight up, would you
29:48
Speaker 2: take Gabe Davis or Calvin Ridley? I'm taking Gabe Davis.
29:52
Speaker 3: Is it just the separation? Is it those little intangibles
29:55
Speaker 3: that you feel like he's bringing that with the team
29:56
Speaker 3: didn't have before that makes you say that.
29:58
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley in a lot of ways to me was
30:00
Speaker 2: like a Christian Kirk.
30:01
Speaker 3: Right, but wasn't used that way necessarily.
30:04
Speaker 2: Right.
30:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so.
30:05
Speaker 2: Okay, we got a guy that moves like that that's
30:08
Speaker 2: more of a slot player, which is which Calvin and
30:10
Speaker 2: Christian are. You don't need that two of those guys.
30:14
Speaker 2: I mean, if they're great, okay, that's fine, But I
30:17
Speaker 2: don't think Calvin really is the level of Christian Kirk
30:20
Speaker 2: for this offense at that position in my opinion. But
30:24
Speaker 2: this offense I think needed somebody that was different. Zay
30:27
Speaker 2: Jones was a very good double move guy that could
30:30
Speaker 2: give this offense a little bit of a vertical element
30:33
Speaker 2: gave Davis can provide that as well. And he only
30:35
Speaker 2: runs like a four or five five, but he's also
30:36
Speaker 2: a big body. He's six two, two hundred and twenty
30:38
Speaker 2: five pounds. You know, there's a play that I'm going
30:41
Speaker 2: to show that he literally a scramblele situation, he ends
30:43
Speaker 2: up finding an opening and then drags a linebacker ten
30:47
Speaker 2: yards into the end zone. I mean, Calvin really is
30:49
Speaker 2: not going to drag a linebacker into the end zone
30:51
Speaker 2: from ten yards away. It's just not going to happen. So,
30:53
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I love that signing, and also
30:56
Speaker 2: I love it from the standpoint of it's not what
31:00
Speaker 2: get like fifty million.
31:02
Speaker 3: Fifty guarantee ninety two over yeah.
31:05
Speaker 2: Twenty something a year. I mean, you know, and here's
31:08
Speaker 2: the reality, and if you're putting the team together, that
31:11
Speaker 2: has to be a factor indetermining whether a guy is
31:14
Speaker 2: on your team or not, because if it costs you
31:16
Speaker 2: more that position, that means somewhere else you can't spend
31:18
Speaker 2: that money.
31:20
Speaker 3: It's a game. Many parts to this game that you
31:22
Speaker 3: have to think about, and of course money is the
31:24
Speaker 3: biggest factor with a lot of this stuff. Also on offense,
31:30
Speaker 3: we should continue to kind of talk about some of
31:31
Speaker 3: these free agents. Devin Duvernet is going to be their
31:34
Speaker 3: new kick return guy, which means Agnew will most likely
31:36
Speaker 3: be moving on to it.
31:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, his contract has expired, So when you sign a
31:39
Speaker 2: guy like that, that means Agnews it's time.
31:41
Speaker 3: For him to move on literally, and just is this
31:44
Speaker 3: like carbon copy situation. They feel like it's a little
31:46
Speaker 3: bit of an upgrade.
31:47
Speaker 2: Just I mean, I don't want to say an upgrade,
31:49
Speaker 2: because I mean, Jamal Agnew has been one of the
31:51
Speaker 2: best return guys in the league and provided this football
31:55
Speaker 2: team with a ton of sparks and a ton of
31:57
Speaker 2: big plays. But I think he's a really good player
32:01
Speaker 2: that has great return ability, but then also the ability
32:04
Speaker 2: to have a role in the offense probably more of
32:08
Speaker 2: a of a wide receiver role than what Jamal Jamal's
32:11
Speaker 2: kind of what's the right word. He's kind of had
32:14
Speaker 2: a specialty role in the offense.
32:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, a certain plays he was utilized for or not.
32:19
Speaker 2: Right, So I think Duven is going to be a
32:21
Speaker 2: fun player. Another pick, by the way, that's going to
32:24
Speaker 2: give the Baltimore Ravens a compensatory pick with Darby as.
32:27
Speaker 3: Darby two both of those guys.
32:29
Speaker 2: We're just actually talking about that in the break, and
32:31
Speaker 2: I think the Baltimore Ravens are lined up with Patrick
32:34
Speaker 2: Queen and Duvernet and Darby to get a total of
32:37
Speaker 2: like four compensatory picks. That's where you want to get
32:39
Speaker 2: at some point, what.
32:41
Speaker 3: Do you make of the mac Jones trade situation.
32:43
Speaker 2: I know it's I think it's I think I love it. Here,
32:46
Speaker 2: here's a couple of reasons why I love it. First
32:49
Speaker 2: and foremost, he's a Jacksonville kid. Okay, he went to
32:52
Speaker 2: Bowls Okay, ended up going to Alabama, which is not local.
32:56
Speaker 2: But he's a local guy. He had a tough couple years,
33:01
Speaker 2: and I think it will be good for Trevor. I
33:04
Speaker 2: think it'll be good for the backup quarterback situation here
33:07
Speaker 2: in Jacksonville. And so you gave up his sixth round
33:11
Speaker 2: pick for him for mac Jones. Okay. There's still a
33:15
Speaker 2: lot of teams around the league that still have and
33:18
Speaker 2: refer back to their college when he was coming out,
33:21
Speaker 2: the college evaluation of him, and so if he does
33:25
Speaker 2: become available to them, they're going to look back at
33:28
Speaker 2: that and say, yeah, we really had him rated highly.
33:31
Speaker 2: We had a grown let's say a first round great
33:33
Speaker 2: on him or a second round grade for the teams
33:36
Speaker 2: that didn't maybe weren't big believers in him. But let's
33:40
Speaker 2: say that Trevor gets hurt, gets hurt. Now you've got
33:44
Speaker 2: a guy that has a heck of a lot of
33:46
Speaker 2: starting experience, and let's say he plays for four or
33:50
Speaker 2: five games. Okay, first of all, you want a backup
33:52
Speaker 2: quarterback to play well if he plays well in that
33:57
Speaker 2: limited opportunity that he has, and he plays well, and
34:02
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, you're not looking at getting
34:04
Speaker 2: a six round pick in return. You look at number
34:07
Speaker 2: one getting a compensatory pick. But then you're also looking
34:10
Speaker 2: at an opportunity of tagging and trading a guy you know,
34:15
Speaker 2: for example, Rob Johnson years ago, and this is back
34:19
Speaker 2: in the early Jaguars history. Rob Johnson played in the
34:22
Speaker 2: limited amount of games when Mark Burnell got hurt, played
34:24
Speaker 2: very well. They ended up trading Rob Johnson to the
34:27
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills and they got the ninth overall pick in
34:29
Speaker 2: the draft, which resulted in getting Fred Taylor. Pretty good
34:32
Speaker 2: return that did. Okay, Yeah, the sixth round pick is
34:36
Speaker 2: minimal for the risk that it could end up rewarding
34:40
Speaker 2: you with down the road, as not only as him
34:44
Speaker 2: as a player for your organization, but also maybe something
34:48
Speaker 2: more as a possibility as well.
34:51
Speaker 3: You guys, I came from New England originally before it came,
34:54
Speaker 3: so I saw some of what Mack dealt with up there,
34:56
Speaker 3: and it was a tough situation, obviously coming in a
34:59
Speaker 3: year and half after Tom Brady was there, So that's
35:01
Speaker 3: not great. And they didn't set up they didn't set
35:03
Speaker 3: him up. They haven't been a good team for a while.
35:05
Speaker 3: They had a defensive coordinator as his offensive coordinator.
35:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the hell, what are you doing?
35:09
Speaker 3: So, I mean part of it Bill Belichick.
35:12
Speaker 2: I mean, you wouldn't think that Bill Belichick would handle
35:15
Speaker 2: a situation like that, one of the greatest coaches of
35:17
Speaker 2: all time. To have a defensive coach take over his
35:21
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, to not have a declared offensive coordinator for
35:24
Speaker 2: a period of time wasn't the best handling of that
35:28
Speaker 2: situation at all.
35:30
Speaker 3: To me, that's the epitome of one of those where
35:32
Speaker 3: you have a rookie that isn't a bad situation and
35:35
Speaker 3: then the confidence is gone and then there's just nothing
35:38
Speaker 3: you can do to get it back at that point.
35:40
Speaker 3: So I find it intriguing that. I'm sure part of
35:43
Speaker 3: what Doug Peterson finds intriguing, having been a quarterback himself,
35:46
Speaker 3: is thinking I can help with this situation. I'm sure
35:49
Speaker 3: he's got to be thinking that bring him into a
35:51
Speaker 3: better environment, a good quarterback room. Ma's not coming in
35:54
Speaker 3: to save the day. He knows, he knows what he's
35:56
Speaker 3: coming in. He knows his role here, so that can
35:59
Speaker 3: all benefit him to be able to be like, hey,
36:01
Speaker 3: maybe I can come in if Trevor miss is a
36:03
Speaker 3: game or two. The season's not automatically over right, You're
36:06
Speaker 3: not petrified running him out there several weeks in a
36:09
Speaker 3: row where Trevor has been hurt, playing on no practice
36:11
Speaker 3: time because you think you need him to play. If
36:14
Speaker 3: you have a serviceable, you know, backup Mac Jones that
36:16
Speaker 3: can win you a game or two that changes the season.
36:19
Speaker 2: Well, and CJ is going to compete, it's going to
36:22
Speaker 2: be a sure Yeah. And did I ever tell you
36:27
Speaker 2: the story about the first time I ever saw Mac
36:29
Speaker 2: Jones play football?
36:30
Speaker 3: No is in high school or is this before that
36:32
Speaker 3: high school?
36:33
Speaker 2: Okay, so we were I was at the Bulls game
36:37
Speaker 2: and sitting in the bleachers because my son was going
36:39
Speaker 2: to Bulls. And I'm sitting next to buddy mind Chris Kirby,
36:42
Speaker 2: and Chris and I are, you know, just sitting there
36:44
Speaker 2: watching a football game. We're chatting, you know, about different things,
36:47
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you see Bulls start throwing
36:50
Speaker 2: the football, and I went, wow, that kid can really
36:55
Speaker 2: throw the football, which you know, if you've watched Bulls
36:58
Speaker 2: football for years under Quirky Rogers, is all they ever
37:00
Speaker 2: did was run the football, they didn't throw it. And
37:03
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, they had this kid throwing the ball.
37:05
Speaker 2: Like the kid's pretty good, and Chriss like, oh, yeah,
37:08
Speaker 2: that's that that mac Jones kid. He's going to Alabama.
37:10
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, he's pretty good. So it was
37:13
Speaker 2: first time I ever saw him, and uh, yeah, he
37:15
Speaker 2: was pretty good at that school.
37:16
Speaker 3: Now all right, I was gonna try to run it back,
37:18
Speaker 3: come home, get some of that home cooking, get that
37:21
Speaker 3: going again.
37:21
Speaker 2: I mean, look he's got uh he's got hometown fans
37:24
Speaker 2: behind him, and uh he gets home cooking and and
37:29
Speaker 2: then regain the confidence and regain his swagger behind the starter.
37:35
Speaker 2: But you know what, here's the other thing wrong with
37:37
Speaker 2: a little bit of push.
37:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, everybody competed. We've seen last year alone,
37:43
Speaker 3: how many backups did we see out there?
37:44
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and I'm not saying that Trevor's gonna get some.
37:46
Speaker 3: Playing, no, not that, but like they are.
37:48
Speaker 2: Needed and get everybody gets better.
37:51
Speaker 3: Maybe doesn't rush back and play on a Thursday game
37:52
Speaker 3: when he heard his knee. You know, those kinds of
37:54
Speaker 3: things that could be helpful.
37:55
Speaker 2: Well, because last year I felt like that at times
37:59
Speaker 2: that Tever shouldn't maybe not have decided to play in
38:03
Speaker 2: some of those situations, and maybe wasn't the best thing
38:07
Speaker 2: in the world. I don't know.
38:09
Speaker 3: Yes, hindsight's twenty twenty. We look at it now and
38:11
Speaker 3: it's like very close, but we understood it. So we'll
38:14
Speaker 3: see what if this changes this dynamic a little bit.
38:16
Speaker 2: And look at Max's rookie year. He was really good.
38:20
Speaker 2: He had a really good rookie year, and then it
38:24
Speaker 2: was kind of tough sledding after that. And again, I
38:27
Speaker 2: think some of the mismanagement of the offensive side of
38:29
Speaker 2: the coaching staff by Belichick. And I'm not one to
38:33
Speaker 2: be quick to criticize Bill Belichick because he's the greatest
38:36
Speaker 2: coach of all time in my opinion, but I don't
38:38
Speaker 2: think he did a great job there.
38:40
Speaker 3: The offensive side of the ball was definitely an issue
38:41
Speaker 3: the last couple of years for Mac. Let's talk about
38:44
Speaker 3: our offensive line a little bit. We talked a little
38:46
Speaker 3: bit about what Mitch Morris is going to bring hopefully
38:48
Speaker 3: at the center position. Competition for sure, But if he
38:50
Speaker 3: starts there, I don't.
38:53
Speaker 2: See him losing that competition.
38:54
Speaker 3: I don't see him losing that competition either, But well
38:57
Speaker 3: it is, we'll call it a competition. As Cleveland got extended,
39:01
Speaker 3: Cam's still here for right now, Walker Little's on the
39:04
Speaker 3: last year of his deal. Where do we see the
39:07
Speaker 3: future of the line going, because that can be, that
39:09
Speaker 3: might be very well be an early draft pick too,
39:11
Speaker 3: could be.
39:12
Speaker 2: And I think you always consider adding to the people
39:16
Speaker 2: that protect your franchise quarterback. I think that you always
39:19
Speaker 2: have to think about that. It's a group that as
39:23
Speaker 2: a whole they need to get better. And a lot
39:27
Speaker 2: of people I think minimize the re signing of Ezra Cleveland.
39:32
Speaker 2: But I'm here to tell you that was smart business.
39:35
Speaker 2: I was not a fan of last year when you
39:39
Speaker 2: had an injury at left tackle that you put Ezra
39:43
Speaker 2: Cleveland at left tackle going against Miles Garrett Cleveland. In
39:49
Speaker 2: my opinion, you don't weaken two positions.
39:52
Speaker 3: By moving someone over.
39:53
Speaker 2: By moving a guy who has a comfort zone and oh,
39:56
Speaker 2: by the way, he just got to this football team,
39:58
Speaker 2: by moving him out, I thought that they should have
40:01
Speaker 2: put in somebody else and then just gave that somebody
40:06
Speaker 2: else some help and then left Ezra at left guard
40:09
Speaker 2: because you know, I thought Ezra when he was healthy,
40:12
Speaker 2: was their best offensive lineman last year, and so I'm
40:17
Speaker 2: a big fan of them resigning him. And it didn't
40:19
Speaker 2: cost a lot of money.
40:20
Speaker 3: So especially when you see some of these other offensive
40:22
Speaker 3: lineman contracts that were going out after, you feel a
40:25
Speaker 3: little bit better about risk be done earlier well.
40:27
Speaker 2: And I think the first reportings of Ezra's contract were
40:31
Speaker 2: a little out of whack to what the reality was.
40:34
Speaker 2: And then I really liked the signing of Mitch Morse
40:37
Speaker 2: to provide competition at center. I mean, clearly, last year
40:41
Speaker 2: the center position did not have the productivity, the production,
40:45
Speaker 2: whatever you want to say, of where it needed to be.
40:49
Speaker 2: And Mitch Morris bring in competition. I think he's going
40:51
Speaker 2: to end up being the starter. He's a veteran guy,
40:54
Speaker 2: He's got a little bit more oomph to him, very
40:57
Speaker 2: good in past protection and moves really well. You know,
41:03
Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons why, you know, last year
41:05
Speaker 2: when they were struggling a little bit at the center position,
41:09
Speaker 2: and I think Luke can get better. But last year
41:11
Speaker 2: they've struggling at that position. Okay, do they have an option? Well,
41:16
Speaker 2: with this offense that the Jaguars have, the center's got
41:19
Speaker 2: to be able to move. I mean, they have an
41:21
Speaker 2: offensive line the case, center's got to be able to move.
41:24
Speaker 2: Mitch Morris can move, he can snap, and he can pull,
41:28
Speaker 2: he can get out in space. I mean, so he's
41:30
Speaker 2: a good fit for the scheme and I think he's
41:33
Speaker 2: going to be the eventual starter. And the question will
41:37
Speaker 2: be will will Luke Fortner upgrade his abilities? Will he
41:41
Speaker 2: get stronger? And then the other question is will he
41:45
Speaker 2: provide this team with some positional flexibility? Can he play
41:49
Speaker 2: guard and can he play center? Because you know Tyler
41:53
Speaker 2: Shatley is probably going to be retired or going somewhere else,
41:58
Speaker 2: So can he be fill that Tyler Shatley role for
42:02
Speaker 2: this football team going forward? I think that's an interesting question.
42:05
Speaker 3: If we look at some of the young guys on
42:06
Speaker 3: the line. Anton had a great rookie year right tackle.
42:10
Speaker 2: I think you should be left tackled.
42:11
Speaker 3: Do you see him at left tackle?
42:13
Speaker 2: Took the feet, He's got the feet, excellent pass protection
42:16
Speaker 2: last year. I mean, you look at some of the
42:19
Speaker 2: quality of the players that he had to face.
42:22
Speaker 3: Especially right out of the gate, like.
42:26
Speaker 2: To do that, and he did a great job. He's
42:29
Speaker 2: got great feet. I think he's going to get bigger.
42:32
Speaker 2: And remember, let's not forget he played with a a
42:36
Speaker 2: hurt shoulder all.
42:36
Speaker 3: Year from training camp on you and.
42:39
Speaker 2: Was wearing what appeared to be like a shoulder harness,
42:42
Speaker 2: which indicates you know, something's not right. And he doesn't
42:46
Speaker 2: have all his strength there in that and it was
42:48
Speaker 2: his outside arm, his right tackle to right shoulder. But
42:53
Speaker 2: I think he's a natural left tackle. Just his feet
42:55
Speaker 2: are just so good. He's one of those guys that
42:57
Speaker 2: you could put at left tackle against some of the
43:00
Speaker 2: premium pass rushers and have total confidence that you're not
43:03
Speaker 2: going to need to help him. And then okay, you
43:06
Speaker 2: figure out what you're gonna do it, right, Okay, you've
43:08
Speaker 2: got some options there, and uh Cam at right tackle,
43:14
Speaker 2: Walker Little at right tackle, draft pick up right.
43:19
Speaker 3: Tackle draft pick question mark, Yeah.
43:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got you got some somebody.
43:22
Speaker 3: In the mix. All right, stay with us here on
43:25
Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour. We're wrapping things up soon, but first
43:28
Speaker 3: we're gonna do some Microsoft Social media questions. Have some
43:31
Speaker 3: answers for you, So stay with us here on Jaguars
43:33
Speaker 3: Happy Hour. Yeah, my mom's coming to pick me up
43:41
Speaker 3: in about thirty minutes.
43:44
Speaker 2: It's kind of nice when your mom can pick you
43:45
Speaker 2: up from work.
43:46
Speaker 3: So but it'll be good.
43:48
Speaker 1: I think, Like I said, I'm just looking forward to
43:51
Speaker 1: meeting the guys and.
43:51
Speaker 3: Every mom driving carpool again. Mac Jones got picked up
43:57
Speaker 3: by his mom on press day last week, which is
44:00
Speaker 3: for him, perfect for him. Thank You're Unhappy Hour, Kay.
44:03
Speaker 3: Nannie Stevens feeling for JP. Jeff Logoman is with me.
44:07
Speaker 3: We talked a lot about some of these free agents,
44:09
Speaker 3: some of these news faces coming in filling some needs,
44:12
Speaker 3: which is great, and also just bringing competition which we
44:15
Speaker 3: haven't seen at certain positions. So that's good too.
44:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know the kicker Joey Sly being brought in,
44:22
Speaker 2: and I think that's just the beginning for that position.
44:25
Speaker 3: Sure there's more to come.
44:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's more to come, and whether that's
44:29
Speaker 2: in free agency or whether that's through a draft picker draft.
44:32
Speaker 2: I know in the last couple of years they had
44:35
Speaker 2: their eyes on a couple ofkickers that ended up getting drafted,
44:38
Speaker 2: but they ended up missing out because the player that
44:41
Speaker 2: they coveted ended up getting picked before their opportunity came.
44:45
Speaker 2: So every position in the perfect world, you would like
44:49
Speaker 2: to have the holes plugged and then go into free
44:52
Speaker 2: agency or go into the draft and then be able
44:55
Speaker 2: to get best available player, and then some of the
44:59
Speaker 2: positions that may you don't end up getting what you wanted.
45:03
Speaker 2: Free agency is not over, you know, free agency is
45:06
Speaker 2: still going on, and then the price tach continues to
45:09
Speaker 2: drop as free agency wears on. So then you start
45:11
Speaker 2: to get some opportunities at players that are bargaining I
45:15
Speaker 2: don't want to say bargain basement price, but on a
45:17
Speaker 2: much more affordable deals.
45:19
Speaker 3: We love a discount, we love a sale abolutely.
45:21
Speaker 2: And those are in a lot of time. Those there
45:24
Speaker 2: are some players that fall into that category at that
45:27
Speaker 2: time that are good players, but they just didn't get
45:30
Speaker 2: the long term contract that they wanted. So now you're
45:34
Speaker 2: talking about getting a player who's highly motivated, who wants
45:37
Speaker 2: a one year, prove it deal, And I don't think
45:39
Speaker 2: there's anything better than having a player on a one
45:41
Speaker 2: year proven deal because you're going to.
45:43
Speaker 3: Get his best, absolute best, because they want that money.
45:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's when you get it. I mean you
45:47
Speaker 2: get those guys a lot of times in that window,
45:49
Speaker 2: which is after the draft.
45:51
Speaker 3: Can't blame them for that. Let's go into some of
45:53
Speaker 3: our social media questions powered by Microsoft. We got some
45:58
Speaker 3: viewers here, Jeff. We got Michael from Orange Park first,
46:01
Speaker 3: who says Calvin Ridley says he loves the Jaguars and
46:04
Speaker 3: he wants to come back, but that he signs for
46:06
Speaker 3: an extra twelve million dollars. Where is the loyalty there?
46:10
Speaker 3: I think it's a guaranteed money. It would be the problem, right,
46:12
Speaker 3: I mean, look, you can have half of it guaranteed.
46:14
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley approaches it is you should and that it's
46:18
Speaker 2: a business. I mean, at the end of the day,
46:20
Speaker 2: the team is running a business to win football games
46:24
Speaker 2: and manage their cap and for the player, you're running
46:28
Speaker 2: one person business. And so I don't fault Calvin Ridley
46:32
Speaker 2: for saying all the right things and then leaving to
46:35
Speaker 2: go with the Tennessee Titans. I mean, it's just that's business.
46:39
Speaker 2: I'll never forget when Reggie White had the opportunity to
46:43
Speaker 2: leave the Philadelphia Eagles and arguably one of the greatest
46:46
Speaker 2: players ever and had an opportunity to go play for
46:51
Speaker 2: whoever he wanted to go play for, and he was
46:53
Speaker 2: on a tour and chose the Green Bay Packers, And
46:58
Speaker 2: Reggie said that, you know, he prayed hard about it
47:00
Speaker 2: and he felt that God was guiding him in the
47:04
Speaker 2: direction of the Green Bay Packers, which is great. And
47:07
Speaker 2: as players, you know, because I was playing at the time,
47:09
Speaker 2: we all said, yeah, it was in God, we trust, yes,
47:14
Speaker 2: which is on the dollar bill, you know, and you know,
47:18
Speaker 2: and that's that's nothing wrong with that, you know there
47:21
Speaker 2: and was certain players, Okay, if the money's close, okay,
47:25
Speaker 2: then you can decide, Okay, look, I like the other
47:28
Speaker 2: things better that go along with choosing a club that
47:31
Speaker 2: maybe not be at the top of the money, but
47:32
Speaker 2: the money's got to be close to get to start
47:34
Speaker 2: to weigh in those other things that could factor in.
47:37
Speaker 3: Yes, money's number one, and that was a huge deal,
47:39
Speaker 3: So that makes sense in terms of that. Our second
47:42
Speaker 3: fan question is going to be from Eric from Saint Augustine.
47:44
Speaker 3: He says free agency is over in his mind, at
47:47
Speaker 3: least it's round one now. Jaguars are on the clock
47:49
Speaker 3: at seventeen. Who you got what position is the biggest need?
47:52
Speaker 3: I know we've talked about a couple of different things,
47:54
Speaker 3: But what's the biggest need.
47:55
Speaker 2: Well, as I told you, I'm not going to draft
47:57
Speaker 2: for me, but if I had to draft for need,
47:58
Speaker 2: I mean, right now, I'm gonna draft a Yeah. I
48:01
Speaker 2: mean because there's a there's definitely a hole at that
48:05
Speaker 2: with Darius Williams being gone and in the National Football League,
48:10
Speaker 2: you really need three. So you got Darby, you got
48:13
Speaker 2: Tyson Campbell, And is Darby a premium player? I mean,
48:17
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a premium player, but he's
48:19
Speaker 2: a solid player. So you need to find you need
48:22
Speaker 2: to find somebody that has the ability to play some
48:26
Speaker 2: man coverage against a premium player. I think Tyson's a
48:30
Speaker 2: really good player, but I wouldn't say that Tyson's a
48:33
Speaker 2: premium player and playing man coverage, I think he's a
48:35
Speaker 2: good player. I think he's more suited to play in zone.
48:40
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean corner. If I had to say
48:42
Speaker 2: right now, based on need.
48:44
Speaker 3: Yep young Man's game, So I think that's definitely a
48:46
Speaker 3: viable option. I've been leaning corner last week or so.
48:48
Speaker 3: I think that's probably the way they're going to go.
48:50
Speaker 3: And then maybe Linement I'm not really sure, Like big guys.
48:55
Speaker 3: I know Trent balk likes to get the large, tall,
48:59
Speaker 3: physicals vestman so that.
49:01
Speaker 2: There's a tackle. If there's a tackle there, that gives
49:05
Speaker 2: you a real, really physical player that can take your
49:10
Speaker 2: offensive line to a different level in physicality. That also
49:15
Speaker 2: may give you some flexibility to maybe play that guard
49:18
Speaker 2: for a year. Then I think you got to consider that.
49:23
Speaker 2: Probably wouldn't be a big fan of drafting wide receiver
49:25
Speaker 2: in round one, just because I like some of the
49:27
Speaker 2: wide receivers that we currently have. But then again, if
49:31
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson is on there and available and you're on
49:34
Speaker 2: the clock, you can't turn that down.
49:36
Speaker 3: Is this a deep enough draft where everybody says it's
49:38
Speaker 3: a really good wide receiver draft. Could you get someone
49:40
Speaker 3: later in the fourth that's serviceable or is it like
49:43
Speaker 3: where do you see that? Because they don't have that
49:44
Speaker 3: third anymore that they lost from Calvin, So it's kind
49:48
Speaker 3: of the first two and then a little bit of
49:49
Speaker 3: time until they have another pick. Is identifying that's going
49:52
Speaker 3: to be hard? Is that possible a later pick?
49:55
Speaker 2: That's the one thing to bring up the whole Okay,
49:59
Speaker 2: And I was hoping in that last year when they
50:01
Speaker 2: had all of those picks last year that they will
50:03
Speaker 2: be able to trade some of them to move to
50:06
Speaker 2: this year, but they weren't.
50:07
Speaker 3: Able to do that unctually. They're not They had so
50:09
Speaker 3: many last year now it's kind of like you wish
50:11
Speaker 3: you had a little this year. But we'll see what
50:13
Speaker 3: they can do. We've got a couple more weeks. We're
50:14
Speaker 3: going to dive into this, try to figure out exactly
50:16
Speaker 3: where they're going with the draft, and then they'll probably
50:18
Speaker 3: do something else, but we're gonna look into it nonetheless.
50:20
Speaker 3: Jeff Logerman, Kayanti Stevens filling in for JPJ people. Be
50:23
Speaker 3: back with you guys on Happy Hour next week. Appreciate
50:25
Speaker 3: you joining us.