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Sall Grover: "The TERF Wars" and launching GIGGLE · The Slippery Slope

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  Now, something else I noticed with you that when I was reading
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  this term Turf Tei if I hadn't really I think I'd read before
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  something with what's the JK Rowling's ivt much out of it.
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  So I noticed that you you get referred to as that which seems
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  to be silly. I think it's pretty insulting,
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  but is that is that the whites you've got a lot of Of white
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  women like myself, who would sort of reclaiming?
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  It of just going like fine. I'll call myself that to try and
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  minimize the sort of slur that's being created.
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  So preface it all by saying that if anyone goes over, but she's
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  called herself a turkey. There's a reason for it.
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  Yeah, we are trying to end the this word.
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  Yeah. The other people you Turf is an
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  insult. Is that was my, I mean, I don't
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  really care if someone calls me a Turf per se, it's just that
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  it's usually a comp Company by death threats or rape threats.
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  So that's actually the part. We have the huge problem with
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  this when they call because of that, when a lot of people are
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  using the word Turf which is a napkin in its I'm trans
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  exclusionary radical feminist and it's just interesting
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  because I'm not trans exclusionary, ignore my, a
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  radical feminist sister. Like, when I get called tutor
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  from like, I've been given this title and I none of it fits me.
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  But, and I'm so, and I just have to wear it apparently, but I'm
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  not allowed to To call a man a woman or a sorry man a man who
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  thinks he's a woman. Yeah, I'm a big fight.
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  Your dad. What I actually am Ismail
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  exclusionary when it comes to female, only spaces and Sport.
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  That's it. Like, I don't have a problem
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  with men, I don't even have a problem.
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  If you're a man who likes to wear dresses and makeup, it
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  doesn't affect me, I don't care. Even if you're a man who has to
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  says to himself, that he is a woman, and that's how you get
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  out of bed every morning and live your best life.
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  That is none of my business. As I honestly couldn't care
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  less, I only care if you're insisting that that man has to
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  be in. Women's spaces has to be in
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  women's sport and that I have to believe he's a woman.
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  Then I've got a huge problem and so for that I'm called bigoted
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  which the irony is is bigotry is actually being tolerant towards
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  people with different opinions to you.
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  So the people who are actually calling me a Turf are the bigots
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  because they're the ones intolerant of Current opinions
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  and different thoughts. Yeah, I'm not in color and of
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  different thoughts. I'm intolerant other physical
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  mail presents in a woman's face. Yeah, that's all yes.
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  Oh, yeah. And so I that I didn't know the
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  term Turf either until February 7 2020.
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  It's ground was when I had my first my first ever attack from
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  trans rights activist. We just launched giggle.
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  Well, we haven't even launched it, it was on we'd watch.
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  So giggle is The app that I run, it's a female only social
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  network for like, finding roommates and freelance work and
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  having a chat and lesbian dating and just very women Centric
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  things. And we were on the App Store and
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  Google Play, Just Doing beta testing and the trans activists
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  and Reddit and Twitter found it. I don't know how and just went
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  viral with it saying it's transphobic saying was racist
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  and calling me a Turf and so yeah I had never heard the term
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  before so I do Go and do some research and in because before
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  that, I had no idea that there was this battle war, whatever
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  you want to call it. It's a raging in the world that
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  women are very much at the Forefront of them feminists in
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  terms of fighting for women's rights, but it's something that
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  does actually affect everybody because but as I said, basically
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  people are insisting, that men or women and women and men and
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  that's just a lie that really it's Coral affects The person in
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  the world because you're being told to believe and reiterate, I
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  just started doing some research.
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  And I found ya, the coercion and abusive lesbians, I found women
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  who are fighting to end feminine female genital mutilation being
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  abused because they use the words, female, and genital
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  mutilation, which transact to this gent.
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  Like and then just sort of just in general that women's spaces
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  were under attack and yes, it does.
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  Word Turf is used to any woman who is fighting against that.
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  And on top of it, we're not actually trans exclusionary
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  because we include trans identified, females in, not just
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  our activism, but also in our spaces.
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  So, for example, I'm giggle, if you're a female who believes
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  you're a man, so therefore have a trans identity.
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  You are welcome on that, but we don't say, oh no, you can't.
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  Because we're not ideological, we don't control, anyone's
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  thoughts or what? Like, we don't care what you
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  think. Because unless you're not
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  abusive and harassing anybody, you're welcome from the app if
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  you're female. Yeah.
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  So we actually do, include trans people, it's just males.
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  So I'm always like just having to say people, I'm just male
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  exclusionary in certain circumstances, that's all.
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  There's not much more, there's no more to nothing else.
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  I can defend because everything else is alive.
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  I feel like I did a story just this morning and this is, this
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  article came up yesterday and it came from Scotland.
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  They have the first world's first period, dignity officer
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  and cigar. It's a man and I said it's it
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  just feels like men. I must lie drawing to muscle
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  their way in on everything when it comes to him.
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  Well, you know what, like I'm sure most men art and most men
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  don't care about like would not even dream about this.
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  Most limit journey of man if you said oh would you like to be
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  like the period officer that go? Are you insane?
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  No, it's not. There's just this in a
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  demographic of people who are trying to do this and it's men
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  and women, women are not immune to pushing absolute nonsense,
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  unfortunately. So Ed, it's one of those
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  situations where had Scotland and now Oz that they had a male
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  period officer something whatever his role is and that he
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  was going to be working with boys to sort of lower the stigma
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  of periods in that go like, he'll look back.
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  This isn't that expense reality of it because the task, because
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  if they want a woman talking to them about it, a man boys about
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  it, you're going to get much more engagement.
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  It's not it's not it's going to be less like you know awkward or
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  whatever. Yeah fine but I can't like I
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  couldn't fathom a guy sitting there trying to Tell me about
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  it. I'm switching off, I'm not
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  listening like the responses on Twitter and we Scottish woman
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  have such a great sense of humor.
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  Got all of this stuff have been hilarious, that I read one woman
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  who has this amazing head of crazy curly hair and so she said
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  she was going to go and be the male balding officer and and
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  going lecture old follicly challenged man in Scotland.
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  Like yeah I mean it's you have to just mark this sort of stuff.
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  They mean these people just put themselves in a position right
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  for it so yeah, yeah, laugh sometimes.