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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 228 | Predicting OTA Attendance, Best All-Time Jags Position Group · Jags A.M.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to jag zam Today'm Conannie Steven's got
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Speaker 1: the whole crew back together. Brian Secks and John Oser
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Speaker 1: are with me today as we're getting ready to talk
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Speaker 1: about OTA's today's show, brought to you by Publics. We're
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Speaker 1: shopping is a pleasure. We're going to go over the
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Speaker 1: O and the OTAs because I, you know, I get
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Speaker 1: confused from time to time about what the O actually
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Speaker 1: stands for. So it is organized team activities, Brian, They're
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Speaker 1: going to be out there for OTAs. The Auston program
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Speaker 1: has been going on, but this is the first time
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Speaker 1: they'll be back with everybody, rookies and everyone included in
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff and the veterans of course, and see
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Speaker 1: it go well is important. Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 2: Listen, this is John Oser's favorite topic. So I'm going
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Speaker 2: to shut up and get out of the way and
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Speaker 2: let him have it.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 3: The biggest thing to me about this is culture.
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Speaker 2: The standard that Liam Cohen set with his team last year.
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Speaker 2: He implemented it had great success, right four wins in
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Speaker 2: twenty four to thirteen wins in twenty twenty five, and
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Speaker 2: so it's a way to get everybody back here doing
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Speaker 2: things his way to his standard together. And I think
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Speaker 2: that's the greatest takeaway because by the time we get
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Speaker 2: to the regular season, OTAs are such a distant memory.
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Speaker 2: You can't you can't recall what happened during them. So
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Speaker 2: this is about everybody. What's the old coaching saying, John,
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Speaker 2: the way you do anything is the way you do everything,
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Speaker 2: And that's what these OTAs are about. To get everybody
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Speaker 2: doing everything they should be doing the way they should
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Speaker 2: be doing it, over and over and over.
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Speaker 4: Look.
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Speaker 5: I joke all the time about OTA's and many camp
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Speaker 5: being meaningless, And what I mean by meaningless is us
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Speaker 5: in media observing and trying to draw conclusions is incredibly
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Speaker 5: meaningless because they're not in pads. They are still teaching
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Speaker 5: for the players involved, for the coaches part, for quarterbacks,
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Speaker 5: and for rookies and young players.
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Speaker 4: It's very meaningful.
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Speaker 5: How much is Trayvon Walker getting out of this, I
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Speaker 5: can't tell you. How much do guys who are involved
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Speaker 5: in the skill positions, who are young, who are trying
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Speaker 5: to learn, who are trying to get this right.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's very important.
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Speaker 5: Just you know, when you see people drawing conclusions saying, well,
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Speaker 5: I saw this and they're going to start because of
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Speaker 5: this buyerble ware.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to our second big thing today, which is optional.
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Speaker 1: This is where I always get perfused, which as it's voluntary, right,
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Speaker 1: so it's an option for the players to be involved.
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Speaker 1: They can still work out on their own at this
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Speaker 1: point in time. But John, we've seen a lot of
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Speaker 1: buying with Liam Cohen and his program, and there's been
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Speaker 1: a lot of people here already for weeks. So I
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Speaker 1: imagine we're going to see a good turnout today.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd be surprised if there's not really good turnout.
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Speaker 4: You're in Florida.
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Speaker 5: Players want to be working out prepairing anyway. The optional
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Speaker 5: is OTAs are optional. The mini camp in two weeks
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Speaker 5: is not optional. It's the only thing that's not optional
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Speaker 5: all season, is that one or all off? Is that
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Speaker 5: one mini camp. I expect big buy in. I think
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Speaker 5: last year they took the approach of if there's a
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Speaker 5: legitimary reason for guys who have to be here on
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Speaker 5: a given day, I didn't bother him. It can't technically
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Speaker 5: bother them anyway. They can't say anything.
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Speaker 4: Of course, they.
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Speaker 5: Would like everybody to be here, and Brian I think
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Speaker 5: for the most part, you'll have very very good attendance
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Speaker 5: most days.
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Speaker 2: You know, you brought up Trayvon Walker, so I'll bring
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Speaker 2: up josh heinz Allen, who is a guy who famously
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Speaker 2: has gone to Arizona and worked out, you know, with
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Speaker 2: that mindset of being the best defensive player in the NFL.
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Speaker 2: But you know, he and there's a couple of other
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Speaker 2: veteran guys that might do things like that. At this
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Speaker 2: point of their career, they're about team. I mean, they're
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Speaker 2: about wanting to take what happened last year thirteen wins
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Speaker 2: in a playoff berth and take it further and a championship.
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Speaker 2: So why wouldn't a guy like josh heinz Allen be here.
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Speaker 2: I believe he's going to be I don't know that
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Speaker 2: for sure, but I use him as the example because
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Speaker 2: there's no reason for players who are folks on winning
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Speaker 2: as a team and a championship not being here for
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Speaker 2: these because that's what you get the most out of
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Speaker 2: is the repetitions.
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Speaker 1: Our final big thing today or our final O today
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Speaker 1: is going to be opportunities because during OTA is it's
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Speaker 1: the first chance to work with everybody on the team,
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Speaker 1: right now and kind of show yourself a little bit. Brian,
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Speaker 1: what position group do you feel like there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of opportunity for maybe a younger guy or a veteran
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Speaker 1: that they don't know as well.
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Speaker 6: To break through.
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Speaker 2: I think the offensive line is an interesting group, and
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Speaker 2: it's one that we talk a lot about. But you know,
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Speaker 2: you had a guy Joonah Monheim last year who got
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Speaker 2: some action on the field when Robert Hainsey was injured
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Speaker 2: in You've got the young offensive guard whose name escaves
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Speaker 2: me at this particular moment from Oregon, who's coming in
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Speaker 2: and Whyatt Milam who last year flashed during camp. You've
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Speaker 2: got a lot of young players in this group, and
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Speaker 2: I'm intrigued by it because there's got to be a
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Speaker 2: youth movement at some point in time. You've got some
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Speaker 2: guys that are are going to be starting to earn
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Speaker 2: that's pretty this way. The Jack spent money last year
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Speaker 2: free agency at center and guard. You've got to get
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Speaker 2: your guys in there at some point in time.
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Speaker 3: It just makes sense.
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Speaker 2: So I think this offensive line group is going to
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Speaker 2: be an interesting one, especially the interior spots.
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Speaker 4: And I can't wait to watch that in July, Bryan, It's.
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Speaker 5: No, it's that's the tough position to really watch right now.
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Speaker 5: For clarifications sake, there is one major difference between this
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Speaker 5: phase and Phase one and Phase two, and that's the
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Speaker 5: fact that they can be on the field eleven on eleven,
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Speaker 5: seven on seven. There can be more competition with defensive
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Speaker 5: backs playing against wide receivers, et cetera.
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Speaker 4: I think you're still watching the.
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Speaker 5: Tight ends Borchardhure and Cozy.
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Speaker 4: How do they look?
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Speaker 5: The skill positions are what you watch for. Maybe you
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Speaker 5: watch Rodriguez and bay Shell tooton a little bit. Maybe
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Speaker 5: watch the wide receivers against the cornerback. So that's what
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Speaker 5: I'll be watching. And again, key difference in the next
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Speaker 5: four weeks is this is the time that they can
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Speaker 5: actually if you are out here, it would look like
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Speaker 5: football practice. Nothing else has really looked like practice so far.
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Speaker 5: But it's looked like running around getting work done. But
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Speaker 5: now what do you think of as a practice?
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Speaker 6: Stay with us year on Jagsam.
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Speaker 1: Coming up after the break, we're gonna talk a little
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Speaker 1: bit about what's been going on around the NFL. Welcome
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Speaker 1: back to jag z Am today, brought to you by
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Speaker 1: Publics where shopping is a pleasure. And we're gonna talk
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Speaker 1: a little bit about what's been going on around the
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Speaker 1: NFL to keep you guys up to date on things.
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Speaker 1: And looks like we're gonna get more international games. They
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Speaker 1: just voted next season they're gonna have ten international games
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Speaker 1: again nine this year. They I know they're going to
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Speaker 1: continue to expand as much as physically possible.
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Speaker 6: Is there a number that's too many at this point, Brian,
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Speaker 6: it's gonna keep going.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's so much opinion, but I think you're gonna
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Speaker 2: get to sixteen. I mean, they're gonna expand eventually to
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Speaker 2: eighteen games, maybe be eighteen, but this is not stopping it.
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Speaker 2: Clearly they're going to ten next year and they're investing
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Speaker 2: either playing in is it Melbourne or Sydney. They're playing
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne in Australia this year, which is about as
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Speaker 2: extreme as you can get.
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Speaker 3: So if you're going all the way to Melbourne, want
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Speaker 3: to go to Dubai?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: There was a preseason game was scheduled at one point
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Speaker 2: in Shanghai, I think or Beijing in twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 3: It got scrapped. You're going to see it.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna see it worldwide, and the league understands you're
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Speaker 2: not going to expand in terms of the number of teams,
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Speaker 2: but you can expand the number of markets, and so
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Speaker 2: they're going to play in as many markets as they can.
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Speaker 2: And again, if you're willing to go to Australia, which
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Speaker 2: I think is a Wednesday night game here, yeah, which
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Speaker 2: means that it's being played over there on Thursday morning.
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Speaker 2: If you're going to do that, then there's nowhere on
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Speaker 2: the planet you can't play.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's clearly common. I guess the number that they'll
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Speaker 5: eventually reach, you would think is sixteen, which would be
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Speaker 5: every team playing somewhere every year.
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Speaker 4: I guess that is the most logical even number. I guess.
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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it's clearly going to keep increasing.
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Speaker 5: It does feel like they've realized, Okay, we can't put
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Speaker 5: teams everywhere, so we can put them. We can treat everybody,
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Speaker 5: quote unfairly once a year and send them somewhere.
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Speaker 4: So let's say, ask what it's going to be.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that the Jaguars have figured out the
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Speaker 2: back to back thing in London?
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Speaker 3: I mean, by your.
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Speaker 1: Estimation, they seem to have a downpat as much as
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Speaker 1: anybody's going.
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Speaker 3: To then I'll make a wild prediction.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it comes true, you know, in
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Speaker 2: my lifetime, but I think you might see a lot
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Speaker 2: more of that. The back to back games overseas on
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Speaker 2: eight different weekends, right, so that you get it over sixteen.
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Speaker 2: I just I have this sense that that's where this
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Speaker 2: thing is headed.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can see that.
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Speaker 5: I'd be surprised if they took it to a deal
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Speaker 5: where teams had to give up more than one home game,
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Speaker 5: which is not.
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Speaker 4: What you're saying, right, But I mean, yeah, you could see.
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Speaker 5: Them doing that where it was eight weeks and keeping
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Speaker 5: it tighter. But I also kind of think the league
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Speaker 5: likes having international spotlight sort of week by week and
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Speaker 5: having that special thing.
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Speaker 4: But is it special if you do it all the time,
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I was heartened. Y. It's interesting because you hear so
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Speaker 2: much about expansion. No one ever says, well, we're gonna
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Speaker 2: limit this, right when it's expansion and global, it's everywhere.
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Speaker 2: But someone was asked about the Super Bowl being played internationally,
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Speaker 2: and it was as if this official from the league
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Speaker 2: office was pumping the brake, saying, you know.
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Speaker 6: That's that's too much that maybe it could.
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Speaker 2: Someday kind of, but it was the first time where
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Speaker 2: there was a thought about international game where it wasn't well, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's sort of almost like, yeah, hold on, that's and.
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Speaker 5: I'm speaking out of turn a little bit because I'm
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Speaker 5: not talked to him in the league about this, but
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Speaker 5: I've seen different spots where as soon as the International
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Speaker 5: super Bowl gets mentioned, now you start getting some sort
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Speaker 5: of politics involved where you know people don't want it
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Speaker 5: out of the States. The revenue of that game should
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Speaker 5: go to a ai US city. Again, I have no
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Speaker 5: idea if that's really a thing, but I've got to
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Speaker 5: think that that's.
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Speaker 4: A line that's tough to cross.
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Speaker 1: That's the line in the sand, at least for now.
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Speaker 1: In Florida, two bills are passed last week, one of
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Speaker 1: them the Teddy Bridgewater Act, which is kind of in
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Speaker 1: regards to Teddy Bridgewater. When he was away from football,
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Speaker 1: he was coaching high school football in Florida, and he
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Speaker 1: actually got fired because he was helping out his players
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Speaker 1: buying equipment, first players paying for Uber's home after late practices,
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Speaker 1: and that wasn't allowed. But now there's going to be
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Speaker 1: a certain cap I think it's fifteen thousand dollars. But
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Speaker 1: coaches are allowed to help out with things that their
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Speaker 1: players may eat in certain areas, which is great. And
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Speaker 1: there's also going to be raises for high school coaches
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Speaker 1: in Florida as well. That was a bill be signed
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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville last week. So it sounds like some good
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Speaker 1: things all around for high school sports.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's growing so fast it feels like college all
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Speaker 2: of a sudden. I know of a player who has
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Speaker 2: an anil deal.
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Speaker 3: In high school.
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Speaker 4: I was come to that now.
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Speaker 2: No, there's some local kids who have some deals where
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Speaker 2: they I think their minor relatively speaking, it's a peril
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Speaker 2: or something like that. But the wild West is here
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Speaker 2: with high school football, and Florida, you know, being one
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Speaker 2: of the biggest states for athletes in high school competition
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Speaker 2: is jumping right in with both feet. And Bridgewater is
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Speaker 2: not Unlike a lot of teachers. You've heard of kindergarten
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Speaker 2: teachers right who to spend their own money on school
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Speaker 2: supplies a year and year out. Football coaches should not
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Speaker 2: be penalized. They know their kids and they understand the
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Speaker 2: circumstances and they should be allowed to help.
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Speaker 1: I think it's similar to kind of you want to
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Speaker 1: compete with everybody, right, the same thing we're seeing with
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Speaker 1: nil in Georgia. College high school coaches can make up
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Speaker 1: to six figures certain places, so they want Florida, which
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Speaker 1: has a depth of talent in football, to be able
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Speaker 1: to compete with that in town. So that was exciting
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Speaker 1: to see, at least for local coaches as well as
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Speaker 1: youth football. And then our final around the NFL news
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Speaker 1: today is not happening here, It's happening in Tennessee. But
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Speaker 1: for Sala's hidings head coach has banned seed oils from
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Speaker 1: the Titans facility. Now, Jacksonville is not doing that because
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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to pry the incrustables from John's cold
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Speaker 1: dead hands. Oils are everything, so they're taking they're trying
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Speaker 1: to take all the good stuff away, is what I'm saying.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's uh good for them, good for Sala.
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Speaker 4: It is what he believes.
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Speaker 5: Again, Brian, I told you, I think somewhere Tom called
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Speaker 5: thanking whist.
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Speaker 4: I thought of that. That's the one thing that he
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Speaker 4: didn't think of to do.
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Speaker 5: So, uh yeah, it's every off season there's a quirky
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Speaker 5: little story about some head coach doing something a little extreme. Uh,
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Speaker 5: this is Sala's version. I mean maybe he thought, you know,
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Speaker 5: it didn't work out in New York.
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Speaker 2: Maybe this is why back in the day Sala was
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Speaker 2: he was the psycho coach before a game that was
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Speaker 2: running the steps at full speed in a visiting stadium.
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Speaker 2: We got he's nutritional. I mean, he's that guy. So
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Speaker 2: what I want to know is what are the seed oils?
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Speaker 2: Do you know which ones there?
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 6: I mean I know, I know some.
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Speaker 1: It's like palm seed oil, sunflower seed oil, vegetable oils.
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Speaker 6: I think oil.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's a list, but unfortunately it's in
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Speaker 1: a lot of different foods. So I just find I
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Speaker 1: found it an interesting rule to apply when you're just
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Speaker 1: getting somewhere. And I know you guys have been around
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Speaker 1: a lot of head coaches. What's the weirdest head coach
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Speaker 1: rule that you can remember?
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Speaker 6: Well, we used to joke, and I know Tom Coughlin
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Speaker 6: had a lot of them.
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Speaker 2: Well we had a lot, but we used to do
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Speaker 2: I don't know this to be true, but we used
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Speaker 2: to joke that the dining facility in the old stadium
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Speaker 2: was called the Creatine cafe, right, because for those of
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Speaker 2: us who were not lifting like that, we always felt
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Speaker 2: a little bloated when we left there.
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Speaker 4: We joked that there was something in it, guarantee there something.
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Speaker 3: We called it the creatine Cafe.
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Speaker 2: So to listen, Coach Coughlin was on top of the
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Speaker 2: nutritionists down there. He's not the only one, so I
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Speaker 2: was not the only one.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, the weirdest rules, Tom, I mean, you know, Tom
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Speaker 5: had a lot of them.
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Speaker 4: They were really weird.
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Speaker 5: I mean, five minutes early everywhere, no sunglasses at practice.
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Speaker 5: There were many, many many. I just think maybe he
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Speaker 5: hadn't gotten the seed oils yet.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 6: I don't think so that would be it. That would
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Speaker 6: probably be a fight for olive oil.
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Speaker 3: I just got back from Italy and I ate a
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Speaker 3: lot of that.
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Speaker 6: It might be a tough one, i'd say with us.
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Speaker 1: After the break, we're going to answer some ozone mail
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Speaker 1: bag questions.
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Speaker 6: Welcome back. We're opening up the ozone mail bag questions.
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Speaker 1: All the viewers writing in and they, you know, they
14:42
Speaker 1: want to get some John's want to know, They want
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Speaker 1: to know to know some of John's wisdom. Brian knows
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Speaker 1: a lot as well. I'm just here to host, but
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Speaker 1: I took some of the more philosophical ones because they
14:51
Speaker 1: were a little more fun this week, So we do.
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Speaker 1: Steve at work at the beach from Jack's uh listening
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Speaker 1: to local sports talk recently, and hypothetical question comes up,
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Speaker 1: what jaguar in his prime would you add to this
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Speaker 1: team for one year for the most improvement? He says,
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Speaker 1: I feel old because I have finally lived long enough
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Speaker 1: that people have lost touch at how dominant Fred Taylor
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Speaker 1: was in his prime. Put on the Monday night Steelers
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Speaker 1: game for the new staff. Am I delusional? We're all
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Speaker 1: a little delusional, but I think he's right in this instance.
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Speaker 5: But Brian, these are so tough because you know, there's been,
15:22
Speaker 5: in my opinion, three or four Hall of Fame level
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Speaker 5: players to play here and Tony Fred Jimmy, I would
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Speaker 5: probably slide Kalais in there for a few years in
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Speaker 5: terms of and he might go to the Hall of Fame,
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Speaker 5: and he was at a level Henderson and Stroud. There's
15:41
Speaker 5: been a few guys who have been at level on
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Speaker 5: your list.
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Speaker 6: I'd pick Jalen for the drama and he's well.
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Speaker 4: A stretch he was playing.
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Speaker 5: But there's a few so when you're talking about Hall
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Speaker 5: of Famers, Okay, yeah, putting Fred in this offense would
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Speaker 5: be magnificent. Putting Stroud, I mean I didn't cover Stroud
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Speaker 5: or Henderson, but putting them on the interior this defense
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Speaker 5: pre dominant.
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Speaker 3: You remember your saw it be terrific.
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Speaker 5: I take Jimmy, Yeah, you know, so, I don't know
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Speaker 5: that it's a they'd all help in terms of what
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Speaker 5: I'd love to see. What can you imagine Fred in
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Speaker 5: this offense? You know what he could do? And I
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Speaker 5: was covering the Colts up there. People up there, people
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Speaker 5: talked about Stroud and Henderson on this team, and they
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Speaker 5: talked about Fred. If Fred was in this offense, he's
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Speaker 5: a twenty one, twenty two hundred yard like, he's that
16:37
Speaker 5: kind of guy. He would be that kind of guy
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Speaker 5: in this He'd been that kind of guy and a
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Speaker 5: lot of things. So it would have been incredible to
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Speaker 5: see Fred in this offense. Wouldn't mind seeing those two
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Speaker 5: defensive tackles.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, there's a lot of different angles. I
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Speaker 2: could go with this one as well, but I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: go with the obvious. BISSELLI you have good offensive linemen.
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Speaker 2: Tony his greatness right, And it wasn't just it wasn't
17:04
Speaker 2: just the fact that he kept his quarterback on his
17:07
Speaker 2: feet when there was a moment that called for a badass, right,
17:11
Speaker 2: everyone rallied around him.
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Speaker 3: He was the standard, the toughness, and it.
17:16
Speaker 2: Was in the locker room, it was on the field,
17:19
Speaker 2: it was on the plane. Tony was the leader of
17:22
Speaker 2: the in a room that had a lot of great players.
17:26
Speaker 2: He was the great leader as well that rose to
17:28
Speaker 2: the moment. And so I give me seventy one.
17:31
Speaker 5: Well, most teams identify through the quarterback, and Mark Brnew
17:36
Speaker 5: was three time, Corey three Pro Bowls. The voice of
17:40
Speaker 5: the franchise in the locker room was Tony at that time.
17:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and.
17:45
Speaker 5: Keenan because he was such a great quote, right, Yeah,
17:49
Speaker 5: Tony was the identity of the team, which sounds weird
17:54
Speaker 5: now because there's really not a team I don't think
17:56
Speaker 5: like that.
17:56
Speaker 4: So it's hard to argue against the.
17:58
Speaker 6: Selling Yeah, it's pretty hard.
17:59
Speaker 1: Not It takes a guy I like to argue against,
18:02
Speaker 1: but he likes to argue with you. But he's got
18:06
Speaker 1: a gold jacket, so I can't. I can't knock come there,
18:09
Speaker 1: all right. Next we got Robert from Elkton. What position
18:11
Speaker 1: group has had the most consistency of high quality players
18:15
Speaker 1: in Jaguars history? For me, it's hands down, no question
18:19
Speaker 1: about it. The linebackers.
18:21
Speaker 5: Yeah, all deferre to Brian here a little bit because
18:24
Speaker 5: he was here for ten years when I wasn't. Linebackers
18:26
Speaker 5: is awfully good. You know, you've got even guys you
18:30
Speaker 5: don't think about it a whole lot, Mike Pete, Darryl Smith, Paulsi,
18:34
Speaker 5: Kevin Hardy.
18:36
Speaker 4: It has been consistent.
18:38
Speaker 5: And even in the quote dark years he had pause,
18:41
Speaker 5: he had Darryl Smith kind of leaning into that. So
18:45
Speaker 5: it's been a really solid position group. There's only one
18:47
Speaker 5: group running back spin that's it. Yeah, I mean it's
18:52
Speaker 5: you've got two different Fred Hall of Famer to me.
18:59
Speaker 4: And Mojo reached Ay all pro level.
19:01
Speaker 3: He's your all time touchdown leader as well.
19:03
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's been very good.
19:05
Speaker 2: Well, and then just sprinkling some other guys. I mean
19:07
Speaker 2: when Leonard was here in twenty seventeen, that was a
19:10
Speaker 2: signature season. He was the driving force in the offense
19:13
Speaker 2: that made it all work. It didn't last for him,
19:16
Speaker 2: but I mean he was a premier player that year.
19:18
Speaker 2: He was the facing franchise in many respects and etn
19:23
Speaker 2: You know, the last three years has been a really
19:25
Speaker 2: productive player with some splashy plays. But when you have
19:29
Speaker 2: a room with Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones Troup and
19:31
Speaker 2: by the way, in two thousand and seven they were
19:34
Speaker 2: together and led the league at one hundred and fifty
19:37
Speaker 2: four point six yards per game, and that team went
19:39
Speaker 2: into the playoffs largely because of those two players and
19:43
Speaker 2: their egos where they were selfless with one another. I've
19:46
Speaker 2: got a great picture of the two of them after
19:48
Speaker 2: they retired and me on the set in the stadium,
19:51
Speaker 2: and I cherish it because there are two incredible human
19:54
Speaker 2: beings that I love dearly. And to suggest that any
19:58
Speaker 2: room was the equal of that because of the kind
20:01
Speaker 2: of player in person, will be disingenuous.
20:04
Speaker 3: They are one. That group to me is one.
20:07
Speaker 1: I think they're both so great the overlap as well
20:09
Speaker 1: to have that success, the relationship they had together. And
20:12
Speaker 1: then also just for me coming in, you know, I
20:15
Speaker 1: know as much about the Jaguars as any NFL fan
20:18
Speaker 1: maybe knows. Those are probably the first two names I
20:20
Speaker 1: would tell you out of my mouth when I would
20:22
Speaker 1: talk about the Jaguars before we having been here.
20:24
Speaker 2: And they both care about the position group, right, I
20:25
Speaker 2: mean they both tried to put their hands on Leonard
20:28
Speaker 2: and help him. They both reached out to Travis when
20:31
Speaker 2: Travis became the feature back here. And I'm not sure
20:35
Speaker 2: if both have talked to Basil Tutan, but I know
20:37
Speaker 2: Fred has. They care about the legacy of running backs
20:41
Speaker 2: in Jaguars history. It's very important to them and I
20:44
Speaker 2: think that matters into the equation too.
20:46
Speaker 1: All right, this is another fun off season question. YETI
20:49
Speaker 1: daddy from somewhere and nowhere. What makes some teams more
20:53
Speaker 1: successful than others?
20:55
Speaker 6: What do we call that? The IT factor? I'm taking
20:58
Speaker 6: notes ozone.
21:00
Speaker 1: Your answer will solve all of the issues for every
21:01
Speaker 1: team because everyone will win from now on if we
21:04
Speaker 1: know what it takes.
21:05
Speaker 4: What's the everybody gets trophy?
21:08
Speaker 3: Look, it's great to answer it.
21:12
Speaker 4: It starts a quarterback.
21:13
Speaker 5: If you don't have that, it's pretty It's really hard.
21:18
Speaker 5: This is a little bit out there, and it it's
21:21
Speaker 5: a little bit it's hard to bullet point this, but
21:24
Speaker 5: I've come to believe over course of time, belief in
21:27
Speaker 5: the head coach UH is really important and UH we've
21:33
Speaker 5: all felt it when it's not there. We've all felt
21:35
Speaker 5: it when it's there. Quarterback and belief in the head coach.
21:40
Speaker 4: Are very important.
21:42
Speaker 5: And line play, no matter how much you lean into it.
21:48
Speaker 5: Be in a passing league, if you're not good on
21:51
Speaker 5: the offensive and defensive lines, it's really hard to win.
21:55
Speaker 5: And I could listen a million other things too, but
21:57
Speaker 5: look for a quarterback play.
22:00
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, John just handled the very tangible side of it,
22:03
Speaker 2: the football side of it, So I'll go with the intangible.
22:07
Speaker 3: But we saw it last year in twenty twenty four.
22:09
Speaker 3: There was no real standard in this building.
22:12
Speaker 2: Players had their own individual standards, but there wasn't this
22:15
Speaker 2: pervasive standard.
22:17
Speaker 3: You covered the Patriots.
22:18
Speaker 2: When you walked in their front office and saw all
22:19
Speaker 2: those Lombardi trophies, when you saw Tom Brady's name hanging,
22:23
Speaker 2: you knew what the standard was. No, let's expecting, you know,
22:25
Speaker 2: it's expected the same thing in places like you know,
22:27
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and San Francisco and Dallas, where there are multiple trophies,
22:31
Speaker 2: people know what that is. But that didn't exist here.
22:34
Speaker 2: It was here early with Tom and Tony. So I
22:38
Speaker 2: don't think it's a stretch to suggest that the standard
22:40
Speaker 2: was reinstated the coach gave it to us, and then
22:43
Speaker 2: Tony sort of enforced it just being around.
22:45
Speaker 6: You know.
22:45
Speaker 2: It wasn't like you wore the gold jacket in the hallway,
22:48
Speaker 2: at least I don't think he did. But when he
22:50
Speaker 2: walked around, there was that standard of toughness that was there.
22:53
Speaker 2: And the Jaggers don't have a trophy case and so
22:56
Speaker 2: there's no visible standard which gave them the standard last year.
23:01
Speaker 2: And I think that's the difference when you have players
23:04
Speaker 2: and John alluded to it somewhat when he talked about
23:06
Speaker 2: believing in the coach but.
23:08
Speaker 3: Buying into that standard.
23:09
Speaker 2: This is how we do things because it matters to win, right,
23:13
Speaker 2: Winning is most important.
23:15
Speaker 3: It's pro football. It's about money.
23:16
Speaker 2: But when you get a room full of people that
23:18
Speaker 2: are willing to play to a standard, to work to
23:21
Speaker 2: a standard every day, then I think that's the difference
23:26
Speaker 2: between Good and Greg.
23:27
Speaker 1: It's a good point you both make in terms of
23:29
Speaker 1: the relationship with the coach, because I think coaching itself
23:32
Speaker 1: maybe gets you one or two if it's a close game,
23:36
Speaker 1: maybe a swing in a season, but it's the buy in, right,
23:39
Speaker 1: because you can have the best coach in the world,
23:40
Speaker 1: best plan in the world. Different players don't want to
23:42
Speaker 1: do it and aren't executing it and don't think anything
23:45
Speaker 1: of it.
23:45
Speaker 6: It's not going to be successful on the field.
23:47
Speaker 5: The head coach can succeed until the players stop believing
23:51
Speaker 5: his right bs if you will, Yeah, And I joke
23:56
Speaker 5: about that, and that's just sort of a funny way
23:59
Speaker 5: of getting to A coach can succeed as long as
24:02
Speaker 5: when he's standing in front of the room players believe
24:05
Speaker 5: in him. When they don't, it's over. And there's an
24:09
Speaker 5: art to it now that maybe was different in the
24:12
Speaker 5: nineties with Tom meaning you've got to reach these players differently.
24:16
Speaker 5: I don't know if you can high hand them and Liam,
24:20
Speaker 5: I mean I really sort of woke up to this
24:22
Speaker 5: watching Liam last year. There's an art to managing this
24:26
Speaker 5: day and age players of I can be hard on you,
24:30
Speaker 5: but I love you, and I think you have to
24:33
Speaker 5: approach it that way now because it's too easy to
24:35
Speaker 5: tune them out.
24:35
Speaker 4: They can go somewhere else.
24:36
Speaker 5: They can, you know, demand trades, which I think is ridiculous,
24:40
Speaker 5: but players do it.
24:41
Speaker 4: That's to me. Liam's gift is the ability to lead
24:45
Speaker 4: in that manner.
24:45
Speaker 2: It's your segment, so I want you to give the
24:47
Speaker 2: last word. But let me just say this. When you
24:49
Speaker 2: work with words, words are your work, right, you're famous saying.
24:53
Speaker 2: One thing that I noticed about Liam last year was
24:55
Speaker 2: it wasn't what he said, it was what he did
24:57
Speaker 2: and the way that he did it.
24:59
Speaker 3: And I think that's how you reach those players.
25:01
Speaker 1: Today.
25:01
Speaker 2: Words are, especially in the Internet and the social media age,
25:04
Speaker 2: words are everywhere. Actions are rare, and I think that's
25:08
Speaker 2: the difference.
25:08
Speaker 1: Gotta back it up, Ray John, all right, that's the
25:15
Speaker 1: last word. No, stay with us coming after after the break.
25:18
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Speaker 1: And that's because there's a lot of construction going on.
25:48
Speaker 1: It's gonna be limited. Capacity looks different every time I
25:50
Speaker 1: come into the parking.
25:51
Speaker 6: Lot and don't want to go with it. They're building something.
25:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's obviously the superstructure. It's going up, but
25:57
Speaker 2: it's you.
25:58
Speaker 6: It's awesome and it's cool to see.
26:00
Speaker 1: They're building different concourses on our side near the Midller
26:03
Speaker 1: Electric Center.
26:03
Speaker 6: You can't see in that, but it's happening right now
26:07
Speaker 6: and it's in progress.
26:08
Speaker 2: I spoke at the Rotary Club of Orange Park not
26:11
Speaker 2: long ago, and those folks, I asked them, how many
26:13
Speaker 2: of you work downtown? Well, none of them, did you know?
26:15
Speaker 2: They're all in Clay County. They hadn't seen it. They
26:19
Speaker 2: didn't know, you know, how far along the office building,
26:22
Speaker 2: what's done, how the four seasons, and how the stadium is,
26:25
Speaker 2: And so I said, and it's for all the people
26:27
Speaker 2: who are watching this too. If you're in Jacksonville, drive by,
26:30
Speaker 2: come see it. It's impressive to see all of the
26:32
Speaker 2: work that.
26:33
Speaker 6: Is going on at all hours as well.
26:36
Speaker 4: Well.
26:36
Speaker 2: Listen, they've got a deadline because they've got to turn
26:38
Speaker 2: the stadium back over to the Jaguars to get into
26:40
Speaker 2: the season. They got a lot of work to do
26:41
Speaker 2: in a short period of time. And then they shut
26:43
Speaker 2: it off and then they turn it back on in
26:45
Speaker 2: the middle of the season, and then they turn it
26:46
Speaker 2: back on at the end of the season, and then it's.
26:48
Speaker 3: Full boar, it's down.
26:49
Speaker 1: It's very well scheduled. We know some of the schedule
26:53
Speaker 1: of the OTAs. At least they're starting today. They'll be
26:56
Speaker 1: progressing through the next couple of weeks. I think they
26:58
Speaker 1: do ten OTAs and then mini camp in datory mini camp.
27:01
Speaker 1: But this afternoon is the first we're gonna see Adam
27:04
Speaker 1: of o t as. John, your favorite time of the year.
27:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it.
27:07
Speaker 6: All nice to see everybody together.
27:08
Speaker 5: You're on the field watching uh people throw football.
27:12
Speaker 4: It's uh. I'll be there and I'll glean what I can't.
27:16
Speaker 6: We will tell you all we know next week.
27:18
Speaker 1: But enjoy things and uh later on the week.
27:21
Speaker 6: JP Shadwick.
27:21
Speaker 1: I think Happy Hour will have some some insight as well,
27:24
Speaker 1: But until then, I'll see on jag XAM next week