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Ep. 1139: Kite Skiing Across Greenland Revisited with Katie Crafts · Adventure Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're listening to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for adventuring with us, as we discover what incredible athletes and outdoor enthusiasts are doing all over the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now here's your host, Kurt Linville.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey friends!
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[SPEAKER_00]: Happy Friday!
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Adventure Sports podcast!
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[SPEAKER_00]: A few weeks ago, I started talking about a way that the Adventure Sports podcast family could make a real and meaningful difference in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said that I would be making the announcement a little bit later on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just kind of sending out the tickler that it did involve a major expedition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am almost almost ready to make the big announcement maybe on Monday's show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have some preparation to do first, which I hopefully will get done over the weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So listen in on Monday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for the big announcement and for an opportunity to make a real significant positive difference in the world today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today's episode is with Katie Kraffs, revisited episode, kite skiing across Greenland, amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I think humans have come up with so many different ways to do different things just for the heck of it, just for the fun of it And I think kite scheme is almost whimsical, but what a great idea so much fun This is gonna be a fantastic episode, enjoy, and here's Mason
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey y'all, welcome to the Adventure Sports podcast, I'm your host Mason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today we're talking to Katie Kraffs, and we're going to discover with her again how she found her love of ice, ice sheets, the Antarctic and Arctic regions through
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[SPEAKER_01]: guiding trips in those areas for years through cruises and exploring those areas and then how she ended up kitesking across Greenland as a way to close that chapter of her life and start a new one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we we find a lot in the show and and I see it all the time in my personal life and just with friends and and obviously through the guests here that adventures are such an amazing way to punctuate
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[SPEAKER_01]: a chapter of your life, whether that is opening a chapter, the peak of a chapter or closing a chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As you'll hear, many folks go on adventures because something happened or something is getting ready to happen, and it's just a great reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you find yourself getting ready to transition into something different in life, I would encourage you, plan an adventure to help
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[SPEAKER_01]: to help bring conclusion or to help bring newness to that phase of your life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I use that method, and I think adventures just such a great way to make it, though that transition really stand out in your mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talk a little about a lot about that too, just doing things differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Adventures in a lot of ways, just these anchoring points in your life where memories can attach to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The adventure itself is an anchor, and memories are connected to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For instance, you know, I can remember, I forget the countless nights that I sleep in my own bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember one from the other necessarily, but I remember that one night last year, I slept on my back porch, or the night that I just put up a hammock and stayed right there, right on the side of my yard, or just the things that are different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and adventure provides that for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of getting in the weeds here, but anyway, Katie's story, we're kind of diving into that theme a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to learn more about Katie, she does have a career acceleration program that she runs and that's what she does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can find out
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[SPEAKER_01]: and we're going to talk about a little bit of that too, but some links to follow her in the show notes, and thank you so much for listening, and let's go ahead and dive in to her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This amazing story about crossing Greenland.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, folks, welcome to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You heard a little bit of Katie's story in the intro, but we're going to dive in now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm coming at this totally fresh, super excited to talk, but Katie crafts, welcome to the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you Mason for having me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's great to be here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and before we recorded, you were asking me where I'm coming from, which, you know, most people don't ask actually, but where are you coming from?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where's home for you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, home for me is usually an organ and a cool little mountain town that I won't say on an optional podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I live in the mountains along river and I love home there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At the moment, though, I have a remote job and so I'm working remotely from Santa Cruz, California.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking right out at the Pacific Ocean and it's a really awesome kind of jam term I call it a reset in the middle of winter oh my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's probably nice to get out into that in the middle of winter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, you spent much time in Santa Cruz before that's a really cool town.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I went to college here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's where I learned how to surf and how to not study, but how to pass the degree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I have some roots.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's fun to come back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like what if my many homes are on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sure in college, you know, that's when you build a lot of, you know, your network and friends and just lifelong, you know, relationships and being able to come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone wants to know how to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be really cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: yeah pulling oh that's awesome so uh you know did did you grow up in the Pacific Northwest did you say that or is that just a home now I did grow up there more or less my family went surfed and still does and so that's what took us to or again in the first place and that's kind of been where my roots were formed it's been my base camp for many years as I was a rumor around the planet I would always come back to my little small
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[SPEAKER_03]: these days I happily call it home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy getting out and I love coming back there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I call it my base campus and I play food.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Come back to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, you know, there's that saying with travel like coming back is not the same as never leaving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you find yourself like viewing home differently every time you come back like new things to to see in different ways or Is it like okay, I get to come back and it's it's it's the place that that never changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it does change
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[SPEAKER_03]: It changes for better and further as a lot as I think, but yeah, hopefully when I come home, my love coming home with another perspective or another lens to see my home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was a time in my life, and the story we'll talk about today was kind of the capstone of that era, but there was a time when I was spending a lot of my life in the polar region, in Antarctica and Greenland, and I was studying those polar ecosystems, and I knew a lot about
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[SPEAKER_03]: things that I see part of the planet, that I see animals, that I see ecosystems, what that world looks like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And during that time, I realized that it was curious to me that I knew more about the bottom and top of the planet than I did my own home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I knew more about the ecology and Antarctica than I did about the Pacific Northwest Forest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was so bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a funny moment of, I want to go home and I want to learn more about my home and spend time
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, within 30 minutes of my home, I can walk out my back door and go on trails and I just really started to immerse myself in my home a lot more since I made that conscious decision to spend more time there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I love coming home and I love coming home with new learnings and I love discovering my home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's always a lot more to discover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, tell me this might be a common misconception, but it is knowing the ecology of the polar regions may be a little less daunting than learning all the ecology and the Pacific Northwest as far as just the vastness of it is at a misconception.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a fair accurate perception.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no trees.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two in those spectrums there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And from what I know about the places.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a Marine ecosystem so I learned a lot more about oceans and that ecosystem and climate and atmosphere and ocean interactions and things like that, but trees and forest those allowed me they involve biology and chemistry and I mean oceans and atmosphere do I can hear my film my colleagues cringe when I say that, but trees are just a new level of complexity that my brain can't fully wrap it set around so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I went the easy way with the ecology and went to the polls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really quiet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we just celebrated our birthday in our town this week or last.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we've been thinking and talking about trees a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we actually celebrated it a different time of year than the rest of the country because usually summers so hot here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one wants to spend too much time outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: winner time here's great, but that's really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, tell me about maybe the your adventure of foundation, like, what kind of home did you grow up in?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Were you encouraged to, you know, be adventurous, be outside, think this way, because I know you did spend a lot of time in the polar regions, like you said, but what were some of the stepping stones leading up to that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually don't just jump right in, but honestly, knowing the people on this show, yeah, a lot of times you do just jump right in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've thought you meet that side of the spectrum of humanity, and I'm on that side of the spectrum of humanity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, I was a not athletic kid with a speech impediment as until I was 18, and then even into college.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't do very much out towards sports.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was more into drama.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was into piano and creative outlets.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember one time catching a ball in PE class and it was like the highlight of my athletic career in PE and I remember it's so vividly that's how rare it was and then I went to college down here in Santa Cruz and I was really inspired by the nature and the place I was surrounded by so I started to play Ultimate Frisbee, which is a very athletic and also very fun sport.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was really the gateway into athleticism for me, and that's when I started to be able to use my body more to access places that I wanted to see.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was led by mostly just curiosity and the sense of exploration for me, and it was exploration for me because people have been everywhere on the planet at this point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it wasn't like I was exploring anything new, but for me, I was expanding my world and I was exploring new things even if it was just a new part of the forest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There are a new of longer bike ride with a new perspective on the coastline here, something like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to see things new and have that novelty of exploration.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I started to get out more a lot in college and that it just grew over time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got more athletic, I made a commitment to myself in college out of the blue to become a sponsored winter fur.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I trained for it by running a marathon down here at the Big Sur marathon, which is a hard one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's the first and last point I've ever done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I got really fit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then went home and got sponsored and
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[SPEAKER_03]: physically empowered through those years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was traveling a bit for when surfing, and it really just started through these different activities.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My exploration continued to expand in what was when exploration on a scale of miles became exploration on a scale of states and then countries and then ecosystems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, when did the polar regions start coming more and more into focus and into view, and become more of that, I don't know if you would say, like the focus of your life or more of planning around that, doing those things, what did that come into more of the focus?
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was a seed planting moment, actually in college here in Santa Cruz, and when I was at the library and I stumbled upon in my many successful hours of procrastination, there I stumbled upon a book about Sir Ernest, Shackleton, some can ship, and how it impacted the ocean ecosystem at the bottom of the ocean where it had sank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is before it was rediscovered, which was rediscovered.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I honestly, it was so long ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember what I was actually reading about, but I must have been speculating about his ship and talking about other ships.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not exactly sure, but there was this moment of, oh yeah, Antarctica is a place on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And people go there and Shackleton did, so I wonder if I can, and it was, again, that exploration momentum of, like, hi, wonder where the line is of where I can and can't go, I think I can go there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was kind of the bug in my head and then later when I actually first went there, I actually went down as a guest on a ship for my first experience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was 29 turning 30.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had been working in tech for several years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had a solid savings account for what it's been only times in my curvy, squiggly career life and decided to treat myself to a 30th birthday gift
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I went down and was inspired by the area.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't help but not be in so otherworldly and such a different way to see the planet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I graduated with a degree in Earth Sciences so it helped me really understand, put together different pieces of how the planet worked.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was also inspired by the people I met on the ship who were working there and who had committed their entire lives
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[SPEAKER_03]: that kind of work, they were smart, they were savvy, they were explorers of their own ways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was just such a different way of living than what I ever knew could exist.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're given these options of, do you wanna be a firefighter or a school teacher?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're working to tap whatever that means, or do all these things and nobody ever says, do you wanna be a polar expedition guide in Antarctica and Greenland?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And once I saw that that route existed,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was very intrigued by it and that's what I ended up doing for a five year sabbatical in my career sabbatical.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was a different chapter of my career, but I almost myself in that boy for five years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how many polar explorers got their inspiration in a surf town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in that way, I think it's pretty unique.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for folks that are like well how do you do that how do you because there's a lot of people that listen to this show that either want to take some sort of sabbatical like you're mentioning or change careers or or get you know pursue these things that they discover while they're pursuing adventure like you said you know you think there's like five options when you start out in life and as you learn more and and seeing new things and do new things you realize just how granular it can get.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What were some of the things that you did to get into this in the sense of like the opportunities you took and and what advice would you have for somebody kind of at the same crossroads now?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was working as a recruiter before I went into the polar world and I leveraged the knowledge of recruitment to get myself into that world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did a really intentional job search.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It really is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know recruitment is another one of those fields and nobody tries to get into, but when you get into it, you can sure learn a lot that is useful knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I did a really strategic and intentional job search.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I targeted all the companies that exist and they're actually found the membership company.
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[SPEAKER_03]: because I didn't know that much about this world yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I found the membership company membership organization that all ships are a member of and so through that organization I could see all the names of all the different ships that run down there and then on LinkedIn I could search for different people who work on those ships and then using my recruitment skills I could guess their email addresses and do called each outreach to them and that way I was in somebody with text skills
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was somebody with tech skills applying to an outdoor field and I didn't have any skills yet But by making it more personal, I got just enough responses to basically get my foot in the door And I started as a bartender which did not require any technical skill set It just required a gumption and grittiness and from there I wiggled my way up into guiding and lecturing it was able to do everything that I set out to do I love it
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, what a roundabout way of getting where you want to go, but getting like peripherally there and Barton in what funny is Barton, you probably made more money Barton than just not the other thing you could do in the polar world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My wife was a bartender when we first got together and I was just blown away by how much you can make doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so doing that into anything else could be it's hard because then it's like a pay cut.
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[SPEAKER_03]: bartending is in great skill to have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just say that I think you can get your foot in the door anywhere on the planet if you know how to serve a cocktail.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you don't, which I didn't, you can make beer, you're happy hours specialty and just call it good and really embrace being a mediocre bartender.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a teacher now and she says that the bartending is one of the best places she learned the skills that helps her teach now, be in person of all communication skills, multitasking, all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like it's an amazing skill to have skill set to have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I imagine you were you're already bringing like a new angle to this world through tech and
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[SPEAKER_01]: skills that coming with bartending probably just made you stand out even more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know we're asking a lot about like career path.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't like a career advice podcast, but it is interesting how everyone that's on the show has a very interesting career path or how they navigate opportunities and open up their life either for timeframes or for the budget to do some of these adventures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's always interesting to dive into that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So from there, what did you start doing in this field of research or what were you doing in the Paula Regens to help some of the efforts that were going on there?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually was on the tourism side of the industry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of different ways you can work in the polar regions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can be a scientist, which means you have to be a scientist, or you can support scientists, which means you have to have a technical knowledge, or you can work in tourism.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in tourism, people drink cocktails, so they need bartenders.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People are passengers on boats, so they need boat drivers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People go down there to explore in their own ways and to learn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: became what what I worked toward and became was basically a guide in the Arctic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I would run wilderness trips in Greenland for 10 days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We would go from Iceland to Greenland and stay at a backcountry wilderness safari style Greenland tent and go on heights and explore the fjords over there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I also worked in the Canadian Arctic running polar bear trips right educated people
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[SPEAKER_03]: over six or seven day trips on polar bears and we spent time on the west coast of Hudson Bay, which is where the polar bears gather before the sea ice freezes on Hudson Bay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then in our winchers, which is the Antarctic summer, I would go down and eventually landed on the National Geographic ships and was a lecture on climate, mostly focusing on ice processes and the role they play in climate systems.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and I was driving zodiacs doing little cruises or an icebergs and whale watching talking about penguin colonies and at that point I had really delved into the mountains skillset arena to some degree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I was one of the more mountains heavy people on the team and so I was often leading hike alongside glaciers or up to the high points in along the coastline Antarctica.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was the appetite for adventure for a lot of the guests on these cruises and trips?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it, do you find it satisfying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What they wanted to do compared to what you wanted to do or did it leave, you know, you feeling like you had that you wanted to go further in?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's a good question.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It varied.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think their appetite was curiosity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of people went down with the curiosity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did, you know, unfortunately, the side of it that I didn't like was I saw a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: put on quote bagging peaks or bagging continents, you know, that was a lot of people 7th continent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they would go down to check that box and take the pictures for Instagram.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was a real turn off for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: why we would, what would motivate people to explore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was a lot of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was also a lot of curiosity and intrigue and people wanted to be educated.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was the side that I love.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really enjoyed breaking down the polar world, piecing together the planet for them, helping them really understand what climate is versus weather, what the ice they're holding in their hand, means and what is once for the planet,
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[SPEAKER_03]: the role it plays in regulating the planet's climate and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's where I really enjoyed that aspect of my job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In terms of physical adventure, you know, these are trips with two guides and remote parts of the planet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We could only we did these were not physically straining activities for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: me and my co-guides.
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[SPEAKER_03]: These were sometimes these were people who've never hyped before, so we would get them outside and moving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes these were avid hikers who were scared to go somewhere new, like East Coast of Greenland.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It really varied.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We met a lot of different types of people with different motivations in that work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, talk about an epic first hike, the Arctic or an article, you know, just, oh, that's the first place I ever went for a hike.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's going to be hard to beat, going to be hard to beat that when you go back home, but uh, so, you know, in your time there, what are, you know, I know that the polar regions are a lot of times, one of the most, uh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know visible indicators of climate change.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Things are changing there quicker than they're changing in a lot of other places.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you notice any of that or did where people tell in stories about stuff?
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[SPEAKER_01]: One example is glaciers often have markers on the mountains where like this is where it was in 1912.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is where it was in 1936.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's photography to prove it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: what kind of changes to the climate did you notice down there or up there depending on which trips you were on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But does that make sense?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the scale of climate and what separates the time scale that separates climate from weather is 15 years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So patterns that have been less than 15 years is weather patterns that have been over 15 years as climate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was only there for five years, so technically, according to science, I did not witness climate change.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That said, you know, I was interacting with glaciers every year and did see them changing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The part of the planet that really impacted my relationship with the changing climate was in Greenland because in Greenland people live there and they still live off the land.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They still live using three surfaces from
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[SPEAKER_03]: a mile or two within their home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Greenland.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's not much for vegetation, although there are small berries and willows and different things that people can use to amplify their diets, but most of their diet comes from the sea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they still eat seals, they eat polar bears, which are monitored under a quota, and people are really follow that quota to a tee and respect the wildlife that they're,
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[SPEAKER_03]: taking from so that they can feed themselves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is how people have lived for thousands of years on the planet and they're still doing it in these parts of the world.
26:21
[SPEAKER_03]: So when I was able to interact with the people in East Greenland who are still living the subsistence-based lifestyle, that's where I really saw how impactful small changes that you and I don't have to think about back at home are for people in communities like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For example,
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[SPEAKER_03]: The way of travel in Greenland is over the sea ice, because there's a lot of coastal islands.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People only live around the coastline.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody lives in the side of Greenland.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's an ice sheet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So people live around the coastline and the coastline is island.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The way people travel from island to island is either by boat when there's water or by dog sled when there's sea ice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And as the climate changes, it really impacts the different ocean currents
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[SPEAKER_03]: freezes and forms.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When the CI says solid, it creates a network of frozen highways connecting the different coastal islands.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's how people travel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how people travel to other family members.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how people travel to go hunting and feed themselves in their villages.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When the CI says not frozen, people can travel by boat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When the CI breaks up earlier than normal, it's inconsistent.
27:34
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like if the main road arteries in the US
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[SPEAKER_03]: constantly opening and closing and opening and closing, and you never know if you'll be able to get to work or not that day.
27:43
[SPEAKER_03]: It's that kind of volatility in their environment that truly is impacting their ability to feed themselves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Beyond that, it impacts so many ways of how they live, like seal populations are moving based on where different fish are these days, and the fish are moving based on where the currents are.
28:03
[SPEAKER_03]: So everything is moving in where they used to know that, for example, the sealed grocery store was, quote, unquote, they could go to this one spot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There would be seals there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They would be hintable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now those are erratic and it would be like if, you know, safeway or whatever grocery store we go to is always opening and closing and opening and closing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we never know where we would get our food from next, that these are the struggles that people who live in Greenland are dealing with on a day-to-day and season to see
28:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, exposing for me to see that so fairly for a fan.
28:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Geez.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:43
[SPEAKER_01]: That's yeah.
28:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You say five years is too short, but you, you can talk to people who've been there a lot longer and you can give you anecdotes and tell you stories about what used to be and so I imagine it was, uh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: very eye-opening to a lot of people that visit as well, not sure how often y'all wanted to talk about those topics to folks that are guests, but it's a perfect opportunity to cement those ideas and those realities of what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is, and we talked about a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I made about my purpose in those trips, so it's to make sure people understood, because it's hard for us in our
29:28
[SPEAKER_03]: a lot of these impacts of climate change.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are still really protected from them in many ways.
29:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I made sure that people could really see that this is a part of the world that's more exposed to those impacts than we are and can see and understand that better.
29:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think people appreciated hearing that I received good feedback that people wanted to know,
29:51
[SPEAKER_03]: wanted to know.
29:52
[SPEAKER_03]: And to this day, many years after those trips, I still get articles sent to me by some of my mercurious guests and people are still engaged with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it shifted their perspective a lot.
30:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I like to think it shifted their perspective a lot.
30:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know for
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this whole lifestyle was, was if you don't mind me going back a little bit on your timeline this was not who you were before setting out on this this adventure in Antarctica and going on this kind of new lifestyle redesigning your entire life.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: What led to the decision to even want to do these things and to redesign who you were in a lot of ways, back in 2014, what was, what was life like before and what ultimately led you to do this and what were some of those things that helped you do that because
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[SPEAKER_01]: the folks that we hear from that listen to this show it's like they're getting ready for that change but they're building up inspiration kind of banking that away for when it's when it's time.
31:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that make sense?
31:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it does and I get that I had that fire inside of me and I think we all get that fire inside of us at different points in our lives.
31:14
[SPEAKER_03]: My midlife crisis came at age 29.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure I'll have another couple of few.
31:19
[SPEAKER_01]: How did we have to play it in a totally, completely midway?
31:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of work.
31:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a toy.
31:23
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it's a lot of work.
31:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's a lot of work.
31:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's a lot of work.
31:26
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it's a lot of work.
31:26
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it's a lot of work.
31:27
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of work.
31:28
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of work.
31:28
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of work.
31:28
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of work.
31:29
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of work.
31:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of work.
31:30
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of work.
31:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of work.
31:32
[UNKNOWN]: It's
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think there just came a point when I couldn't ignore it anymore.
31:36
[SPEAKER_03]: And Ian, I am someone who believes it will work out.
31:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a jump in the net will appear a kind of person.
31:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And I always have been, and it's led to spectacular failures and wonderful successes and trials by fire and everything in between.
31:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And for me, it was pretty easy to really turn my life upside down
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[SPEAKER_03]: keep it down.
32:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I really needed to see who else I could be.
32:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I needed to see what else I could do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I needed to see what else existed out there.
32:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've talked with a lot of people who've thrown their lives upside down in the many years since then.
32:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's hard.
32:21
[SPEAKER_03]: It can be really lonely.
32:22
[SPEAKER_03]: It can be really isolating.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that, you know, my friends and family,
32:28
[SPEAKER_03]: It looked very romantic from the outside and the reality was really hard.
32:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Some people were really supportive of the vision.
32:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Other people were not.
32:38
[SPEAKER_03]: The reality was that I was coming and going from life at home so much.
32:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I was a hard friend to maintain.
32:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I lost some friendships along those years.
32:47
[SPEAKER_03]: There were a lot of ups and downs throughout all of that.
32:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's part of why a few years ago I made the decision to stop doing that.
32:58
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of life and come back to home.
33:01
[SPEAKER_03]: And home was a big question for me that those years, which home is real, which world is real.
33:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Back at home in Oregon, I had my friends, my family, I had stability, but I wasn't as empowered or as
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[SPEAKER_03]: vivacious or inspired by my surroundings as I was when I was in these other parts of the world and then I would go to Antarctica and I would work with amazing people and in that kind of environment we're all thrown on to a ship together and have to rely on each other so you form really quick bonds closely.
33:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was so in awe of my co-workers and also we were short-term acquaintances.
33:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I formed some relationships and friendships that I still maintain, but a lot of that was getting to know people on 10 to 30 day chunks of time and you don't get that long-term friendship that you do at home.
33:57
[SPEAKER_03]: So throughout those years, which world is my world, which reality is my
34:06
[SPEAKER_03]: dating throughout that time was I looking for someone back at home who could give me stability or someone in Antarctica who could give me novelty.
34:14
[SPEAKER_03]: It just seemed like there was two different realities I was living in and
34:21
[SPEAKER_03]: that ultimately led to my decision to come back home and remake my home.
34:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I forget what the question is, but for some reason, that seemed to me.
34:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, you know, what led to this change in 2014 that made you want to, as you say, as I read, become the inner wonder woman that you wanted to be.
34:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think that that's such a, that's a common theme we hear a lot in the show is,
34:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And not everyone ever, there's a lot plenty of people that never make that jump, of course.
34:54
[SPEAKER_01]: But you did, and you have seen...
34:58
[SPEAKER_01]: both sides of this and I love that you mentioned that it hasn't been flawless and that there are things you do lose and that's the thing a lot of people don't realize is they're waiting for well I can't leave for my you know whatever this hike the population trail that's a common one I can't do that because I'm not quite ready with with finances or my family set up or I don't want to lose relationships well there is something you end up losing when you do take on adventures and it just is a matter of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you okay with that possibility or that potentially happening and they're will in that's any time that any point of your life, you know, I did that early on in college and guess what I missed out on internships and preparing for what life was after school and so I missed out on those 20s of building my career.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm starting that a lot later than a lot of people and sometimes that does.
35:51
[SPEAKER_01]: you know aggravate me but when I look back and like no I'm so glad I did it the way I did because it's opened up all these doors it's probably exactly why I'm talking you right now but the point is
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is gonna be something lost when there's something gained, but, you know, it's, you gotta weigh that equation for yourself, and it sounds like you are very happy with what you did.
36:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, I know we haven't even jumped into it yet, but I want to hear when you were getting ready to go home, where and when did this idea of crossing Greenland come into play?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what was that like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And,
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[SPEAKER_01]: it sounds like it was a way to maybe close this chapter with a bang.
36:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
36:36
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the idea had always kind of been in the back of my mind again that inner fire because I knew that people across Greenland and I didn't know why they could and I couldn't or I wondered, am I someone who can do that?
36:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just needed to
36:55
[SPEAKER_03]: see if I was someone who could do that.
36:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I had that insatiable curiosity, which can be very dangerous, but also pretty fine if you chase it with a little bit of risk literacy thrown in a long place.
37:08
[SPEAKER_03]: But in a couple years before I did the crossing, I did a Null's mountain instructor course in Alaska, and there I met Celine who became my expedition partner for Greenland.
37:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And Celine and I just hit it off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We laughed a lot on the hardest days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We enjoyed each other's
37:26
[SPEAKER_03]: of modern Renaissance artic women.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She was amazing in every way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She lived, she and her husband live in Newt of it in the Canadian artic at about the same latitude that Greenland is and her skillset was amazing.
37:41
[SPEAKER_03]: So we connected and mentioned it to each other in a lunch line.
37:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I still remember we were getting lunch at the Nulls Campus in Palmer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And
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[SPEAKER_03]: I realized where she was from and I said, oh, I've always thought about crossing Greenland.
37:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And as soon as I said it, I was like, why have I always thought about that?
37:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Am I suddenly going to be crossing Greenland with a slidie?
38:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure enough, my big mouth got me into a big experience.
38:06
[SPEAKER_03]: But we became friends, had that great experience and a couple of years later, I mentioned it to her again and said, I kind of really want to do that.
38:14
[SPEAKER_03]: And we spent two years planning during those two years,
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[SPEAKER_03]: We started by meeting up in Montana actually because she was down the floor for a year and we wanted to make a plan so the first things that we did was do a risk analysis of what's most likely to go wrong, what's the probability and consequences of these different hazards and what do we need as a team and as individuals in order to be prepared for this.
38:46
[SPEAKER_03]: So that kind of guided our training and our gear acquisition and then spent two years training and getting gear.
38:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And we, we were so lucky with the sponsorships.
38:59
[SPEAKER_03]: We weren't lucky.
39:00
[SPEAKER_03]: We were our timing was lucky.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are women doing novel things at a time when women have done novel things before us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we were able to build on the shoulders of those women who came before us to get sponsorships.
39:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And we were well supported by all sorts of friends from feathered friends to Patagonia provisions, big and small, and they were incredibly supportive and generous, and really helped us make this a realistic experience.
39:35
[SPEAKER_03]: And then,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then we did it.
39:39
[SPEAKER_03]: We flew to Greenland via Iceland.
39:43
[SPEAKER_03]: One of our sponsors was Greer Cheese.
39:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Celine was a Swiss Canadian.
39:47
[SPEAKER_03]: So she got sponsorship for us from the best Greer Cheese company in Sweden.
39:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Sweet and Switzerland.
39:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man.
39:56
[SPEAKER_03]: But not the moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them.
39:59
[SPEAKER_03]: One of them.
40:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And she, we had to get the cheese shipped to us on the coast of Greenland.
40:08
[SPEAKER_03]: So we spent three days and two nights in one small community just to find the cheese.
40:12
[SPEAKER_03]: So we built that into our travel time.
40:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And basically we decided to go east to west because that was a common quote unquote common route and most common route and a route that we figured we would be able to do.
40:26
[SPEAKER_03]: We,
40:29
[SPEAKER_03]: spend during our training time with both learning how to kite ski.
40:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I had him with surfing background, so I thought citing on skis would be easy, turns out there's more to it than I thought.
40:40
[SPEAKER_03]: But you only have to be so good to kite ski across Greenland to get pulled in one direction with a bunch of sleds for a couple hundred miles.
40:47
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not like you have to be boosting anything, or whatever.
40:50
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to have more wilderness and cold weather survival skill.
40:55
[SPEAKER_03]: So we got just good enough at kite skiing to be able to kite ski across Greenland.
41:00
[SPEAKER_03]: We did it.
41:02
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a fun experience and it was a great capsule but kept going to that time.
41:06
[SPEAKER_03]: It was for me the perfect end chapter to a great era of my life.
41:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And for Selene it was a perfect start for some really big experiences.
41:16
[SPEAKER_03]: She's since gone on to guide in Antarctica and is guiding skiing trips to the South Pole perhaps Vincent.
41:24
[SPEAKER_03]: She's been the first woman to run
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[SPEAKER_03]: 100 kilometers through the National Forest on Bath and Island where she lives.
41:31
[SPEAKER_03]: She's gone on to be some really incredible things.
41:33
[SPEAKER_03]: And for both of us, we shared this experience, but it became really different chapters of our lives.
41:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
41:43
[SPEAKER_01]: That is such an, you make it sound so, so simple and easy.
41:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a feeling that it wasn't
41:53
[SPEAKER_01]: for someone like me and they're very difficult to pull this off.
41:58
[SPEAKER_03]: It was difficult for me too.
41:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
42:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Very.
42:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was the one it's done for me.
42:02
[SPEAKER_01]: How long did you say it took?
42:06
[SPEAKER_03]: The crossing itself took us 11 days.
42:09
[SPEAKER_03]: The experience itself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: took us nearly a month because we had a 12 day weather delay in East Coast Greenland because we had to get from those coastal islands out onto the main ice sheet and to do that we had to go by helicopter and a helicopter landing on ice has to be able to see where the land ends and the sky begins.
42:28
[SPEAKER_03]: So you need to have some opening in the clouds.
42:31
[SPEAKER_03]: and there just wasn't any opening in the clouds and that the helicopter was broken and then some helly series were there hoarding the helicopter and it was just all these, you know, things we didn't plan for but we spent 12 days playing chess and playing cards and making plans be cd and a and we're happy that we could live out plan a. Wow.
42:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, tell me this.
42:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we haven't, you know, a lot of times on this show, the adventure is what takes up most the conversation, but, you know, it's not always the case.
43:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And for us, I think your story and how you got to these places is actually pretty stinking fascinating.
43:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do want to know, with crossing Greenland, as compared to taking folks on experiences
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[SPEAKER_01]: about the place that you had gotten to know so well that you hadn't known before through the crossing that is.
43:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah and if I had a list of everything I learned in this experience it would be a scroll and we need many hours for that but to answer your direct question of was there anything I learned about the place I was in from this experience.
43:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely it was for me I was inside
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[SPEAKER_03]: Greenland, right in the middle of Greenland, I was not able to explain it anymore.
43:54
[SPEAKER_03]: The coastline is where life exists.
43:56
[SPEAKER_03]: The interior is where life does not exist.
43:59
[SPEAKER_03]: And for a week, we saw nothing except for a bird who seemed to be quite awesome, happy to have stumbled upon us.
44:07
[SPEAKER_03]: There is sometimes a polar bear that is hungry and kind of lost that goes into the interior of Greenland.
44:15
[SPEAKER_03]: There's sometimes a bird that is hungry and kind of lost in the interior of Greenland, but it's really an environment not suitable to life as we know it.
44:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, it's a protector of our planet's history, because that's where we get bicycles that tell us so much information about what was happening around the planet for thousands of years in our histories.
44:41
[SPEAKER_03]: So, it is,
44:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure how to sum up the learning from it, but it was just it gave me a really precious and intimate perspective toward a part of the planet that a lot of people don't get to experience and rightly so.
45:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of animals and species don't get to experience and I felt incredibly cherished like what a special special
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[SPEAKER_03]: precious part of the world to be able to spend some time with.
45:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love that it came at like you said a way to close out this chapter for you, for you, for others it was a way to open a new chapter.
45:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, now that you've, you know, been back home and you say that chapter's close, how how do you balance
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[SPEAKER_01]: the, you know, having this amazing, part of your life that you did with things that you want to do now.
45:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And knowing just what long term and big adventures can feel like, balancing that with being back home, like what, what have been some of the things you've been able to do to, I don't know, deal with that.
46:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you've had hard days where it's like, what am I thinking?
46:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I'm just, maybe I'm asking it because personally that's how I feel sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: balancing the two worlds that you know you can exist in pretty well.
46:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think you think about this.
46:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I think about this.
46:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of people who have lived big lives are burdened with this question and this duty itself duty.
46:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it does feel tricky and they have not become the master of that craft by any means in my own life.
46:35
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been a struggle.
46:46
[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought they were ones and I thought they were things that I could would be okay with saying by too, if I had a nice garden or, you know, could live a, I think these were smaller, but you know, more packaged, smaller in exploration, kind of life, and I'm just not.
47:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've come to learn that I have different cadences.
47:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I have things I need on a daily weekly monthly and annual basis.
47:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And on a daily basis, I need to get outside every day.
47:15
[SPEAKER_03]: On a weekly basis, I need to go for a hike or something where I can connect with nature.
47:20
[SPEAKER_03]: On a seasonal basis, I have my different seasons and things I love to do every season.
47:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Like altime season and blight summary, I've got to get up into the alpine for several nights and spend some time and attend above the tree line.
47:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and on a yearly basis, I need to go somewhere and have it be a wild experience.
47:40
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'd like to live in a wild and raw and free kind of way.
47:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like to be confined to, you know, norms of society or norms of work that has led to a lot of squigglyness in my career itself, but
47:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I need to go someplace where I get that wild feeling back in me, whether it's a big landscape, like Alaska, those mountains that inspire so much, or Iceland where I can just walk and walk for days and go explore something new every day.
48:09
[SPEAKER_03]: But I have to, that's kind of the way I've been able to make it work, because I have these key dances of activities.
48:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And if I miss a season or if I miss a big trip a year,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really feel it and it brings me down and I struggle with a lot of, I go back and revisit all of my life decisions that have left me here and wonder if I'm doing great things.
48:31
[SPEAKER_03]: But if I stick to that cadence for a lot of, it really fuels me and I can live the best of both of those worlds in a way that works for me now.
48:40
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a beautiful way to put it and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That can help you deal with those times that you feel are dull or, like, as long as I'm meeting those weekly goals that I know I need to maintain and knowing those yearly things are once a year and so you might be on the other half of that year six months away from the next one where you can lose sight of that and they can feel really overwhelming or depressing or whatever it is.
49:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Just having, I'd really like that cadence you're talking about.
49:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to phrase this past year for an opportunity.
49:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd never thought of it or used it before.
49:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's not novel, but it's kind of along those lines.
49:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, this is like a once a decade trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say it's once in a lifetime that seems dramatic, but I'm not going to say it's going to happen every year because it was kind of a big trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, this is like a once a decade kind of opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to take it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, yeah, I could see having, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: four or five of those are six of those like that more in my life, but that's another way, maybe there's maybe for someone listening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a five year thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every five years, I want to do a really big thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For me, it's been, and I've talked about it a lot in the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been every two months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do a weekend long, some sort of trip, backpacking, paddle boarding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be one to two nights out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but every eight weeks, there's something eight to 10 is really, it gets extended a little bit, but it's five to six a year, but it's around, you know, within a couple hours of home with some friends, and that has, like, soon as it's over, okay, just another eight week to the next one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the cadence that works for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've had plenty of folks on the show that it's once a year, they plan a really big trip with a group of friends,
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's somewhere, a destination like you were talking about with a big landscape, big inspiring land and yeah, that's I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So setting that up for yourself is going to be really important to maintain through some of these times of life where it's just not always
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[SPEAKER_01]: giant massive things all the time for most people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most people we have on this show we are talking about a segment of their life that happened a lot of times many years ago or they're writing and that'll love but very few people keep that forever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a balance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: it's not in balance with different for all sorts of people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I also, I mean, shout out to therapists.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will say I've been seeing a therapist and it's been incredibly helpful to get more knowledge around myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I recommend that for everybody who's on the fence.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you're struggling figuring out what makes you happy, that can really be a big morning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can test you too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So.
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[SPEAKER_03]: very helpful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, gosh, well, you know, I don't want to put pressure on this, but what is next for you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are some of those upcoming things you're looking for, too, whether they're adventures or seasons?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If not, you know, no worries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you asked me that question, I don't know if I'd have an answer right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, being here for my jam term in Santa Cruz is kind of a fun place to recharge and get ready for what this year will hold.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've recently launched a business.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, that's some of your listeners might be interested in my main job of gone back to recruitment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm back in tech.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I work on behalf of companies to find the employees, but I've also rolled out a job seeker program.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a six session to six session customized.
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[SPEAKER_03]: program for people who are looking for new work and want to be intentional about it and use so few tools and tips and strategies that I've learned through my recruitment career.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm doing that for tech.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's where I get my money, but I'm also doing that for outdoor professionals because that's where my passion is and that's an industry that's really supported me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I want to support the people who are probably going through the same struggles that I've gotten through.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I've
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have a product specifically geared toward outdoor professionals that's a six week, six week one on one career acceleration strategy program and I'm working on rolling that out right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope it takes off wildly and I'm excited to help a lot of people get through some of the struggles that I've got myself through as far as big year experiences.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have any pen in, but I have a bunch penciled in and they include things like going back to Iceland and going for a long walk there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe going to see Elton John's final performance in Stockholm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last one of his life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What a moment of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a once in a lifetime opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Totally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What a great moment to witness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then just some stuff in the states like volcano season and springtime.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll find season and late summer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe going to the desert a bit in the spring.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Got a lot of irons in the fire.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see which ones come to fruition.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I tell you what, what, what, if you can share anything about your new endeavor, the career courses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, if you, if there's anything you can share now, great, if not, if, if, if, and by the time this episode comes out, you can send it to me, we'd love to plug that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That would be awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have been following my website, which is the Casey approach.com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Casey, like my initials.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the kcapproach.com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is basically the gis of it is we'll set up a free console.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll spend half an hour getting to know more about you and your career and what kind of struggles you're having and figure out where we should put the impetus of the bulk of our work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll start typically with a self inventory of what really gets you fired up and how to make sure you know how to find that and then some very practical strategy around how do I break these doors open.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do I find these people?
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do I reach out to them?
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do I do call the outreach?
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do I do how do I do persistent call the outreach?
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[SPEAKER_03]: interview tips and tricks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I've been a recruiter for a decade in my life and so I've spent a lot of time inside of the heads or working one-on-one with these decision-makers and people who actually do the hiring.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I know what kind of questions they ask and how they gauge responses.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and help people through the interview process and then of course my favorite negotiations are time it's valuable and I think it's at your professionals especially we tend to prioritize experience over value but we have knowledge and skill sets and we need to get paid for
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[SPEAKER_03]: the value that we bring to our company and so helping people through those negotiations and making sure that they get the best package possible for themselves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And really making sure that all of that together, the goal is to make work fuel life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so make sure that the job you're looking for, the job that you accept in the package you receive is something that will fuel your lifestyle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's important to you a lot of people, and especially to people who are out there with professionals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: pulling it up right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I might be giving you a call, we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That would be amazing, I would love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Katie, I really appreciate you being on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this was, this was a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't know where it was going to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew we'd were going to go to Antarctica at some point, or green light too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So happy, happy to see where this conversation took us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was really fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Great questions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And fun to relive a lot of those great experiences.