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Joe Rogan Experience _2416 - Dan Farah(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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Speaker 1: Joe Roman Podcast. Check it out.
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Speaker 2: But Joe Regan experience Strain my day Joe Rogan podcast,
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Speaker 2: by Night all day.
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Speaker 1: Uh, what's up, Dan?
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Speaker 2: I you good to see you.
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Speaker 1: Good, good to see you again. First time I saw
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Speaker 1: you was the First Time I saw You documentary, which
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Speaker 1: is fucking excellent. Uh. The Age of Disclosure really good.
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Speaker 1: Can't recommend it enough. If you're a UFO dork like
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Speaker 1: myself and you're in and out like sometimes like this
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Speaker 1: is bullshit, maybe it's real, this is bullshit. Maybe I'm
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Speaker 1: wasting my time. Maybe it's real. Maybe it's go see
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Speaker 1: the Age of Disclosure and then you'll be fully in
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Speaker 1: the I don't fucking know, but who it's something's going on.
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Speaker 1: That's where I am right now. I don't know, but
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Speaker 1: something's going on.
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Speaker 2: Definitely something going on. It's a real situation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a real weird one when you see all
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Speaker 1: these like high level government employees talking about secret access
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Speaker 1: programs and back engineering programs that have been going on
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Speaker 1: for decades and decad aids and secrecy, and you're like,
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Speaker 1: your documentary did a fantastic job of highlighting a couple
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Speaker 1: of reasons why I always when people are skeptical, and
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Speaker 1: they go, Okay, if there was a program like this,
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Speaker 1: why wouldn't they just tell us? You you have to
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Speaker 1: really understand the consequences of what they've done, because what
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Speaker 1: they've done is lied to Congress for a long time.
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Speaker 1: It's a misappropriation of funds, clear felonies, lie to the public,
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Speaker 1: congress life of sitting presidents, just the money stuff. And also,
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Speaker 1: let's just be really, let's be just honest about human nature.
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Speaker 1: If you have complete access to enormous amounts of money
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Speaker 1: that's not under any oversight at all, fullish, Sure some
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Speaker 1: of it, some of it went in the pockets of
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Speaker 1: people they probably shouldn't have got it, one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: One hundred Everyone I've talked to who's aware of the
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Speaker 2: details of the deeply hidden Legacy program says that it's
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Speaker 2: at least over a trillion dollars spent since the forties,
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Speaker 2: an enormous amount of money. Oh and it's a much
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Speaker 2: bigger program than people would suspect. We'll just thousands of
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Speaker 2: people full time jobs then going home to their families.
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Speaker 2: The guy sitting next to your kids little league baseball game.
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Speaker 2: You know, normal people on the outside are involved in
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Speaker 2: this deeply hidden program. It's bonkers.
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Speaker 1: And the idea, this is another thing that trusts me nuts.
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Speaker 1: The idea that people can't keep secrets. Shut the fuck up. Now,
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Speaker 1: Yes they can. If you're told you're some people, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: some people can't keep secrets. But by the time you
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Speaker 1: get to be a high level operative in the United
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Speaker 1: States government, I'm guessing you can keep a fucking secret.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you're told yeah, hey, you can disappear
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Speaker 2: one day or you can have your reputation ruined. Right,
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Speaker 2: you're gonna get blackmailed about this or that you're just
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Speaker 2: gonna keep quiet.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, people can keep secrets. And by the way, not
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Speaker 1: everybody does. The Bob Lazar story to this day is
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Speaker 1: like that. That documentary by Jeremy Corbel was the reason
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Speaker 1: why I went all the way back in with UFLS.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, God damn it, I believe Bob.
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Speaker 2: It's a great it's a great doc great.
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Speaker 1: And that one that one's available. It's Area fifty Bob Blazaar,
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Speaker 1: Area fifty one and Flying Saucers. Is that the name
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Speaker 1: of it, the title of it? Something along those fantastic.
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Speaker 2: Documents for me, like I look my childhood was the
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Speaker 2: eighties and early nineties, so I grew up movies like
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Speaker 2: ET and Close Encounters and TV shows like X Files
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Speaker 2: and yeah, he's like firing the Sky. I remember that movie.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had Travis in here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah he did. I love that interview. Fantastic movie. That
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Speaker 2: movie gave me nightmare crazy because kept me up as
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Speaker 2: a kid.
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Speaker 1: All those A couple of those guys on that crew
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Speaker 1: hated him, like one of them he got in a
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Speaker 1: fist fight with that day. Yeah, and that guy had
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Speaker 1: the exact same story that everybody else had. He got
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Speaker 1: hit by a beam of light. They went back to
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Speaker 1: get him, he was gone. Then five days later he
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Speaker 1: shows up. He's not malnourished, he's not like he's hasn't
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Speaker 1: been sleeping in the woods.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy.
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Speaker 1: And he's got this fucking insane story about being repaired
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Speaker 1: on a UFO.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and all those guys passed light detections. Yeah, all
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Speaker 2: of them did the uh you know, like movies like that.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure for millions people around the world, same thing.
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Speaker 2: It just made me curious about this, you know, yeah,
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Speaker 2: my whole life. I'm like, are we alone in the universe?
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Speaker 2: Does the US government know more about this than we do, right,
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Speaker 2: And I always wish that there was a documentary that
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Speaker 2: only interviewed people who have direct knowledge of the topic
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Speaker 2: as a result of work for the government, and that
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Speaker 2: was that was the real drive of making this film.
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Speaker 2: Everybody fits that criteria.
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Speaker 1: Here's the fear that everyone has, including myself, and it
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Speaker 1: is the way, This is the main fear that I
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Speaker 1: have whenever I sit down with any whistleblower. How many
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Speaker 1: of them are on purpose, that they're directive, that they're
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Speaker 1: objective is to spread misinformation on purpose on behalf of
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Speaker 1: the government, that they're they're there to just bullshit you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And of course that I had that thought, But
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Speaker 2: for me, I stopped worrying about that when I met
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Speaker 2: one intelligence official, government official, military official after another who
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Speaker 2: had completely different ideological views, different political beliefs. They weren't
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Speaker 2: associate each other and they were all saying the same thing.
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Speaker 2: And so I just don't The alternative to everything these
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Speaker 2: people are saying in my film being true is that
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Speaker 2: thirty four people of different political parties, different government groups,
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Speaker 2: with different aspirations all got together four years ago and
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Speaker 2: decided to tell this elaborate lie randomly with me in
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Speaker 2: a movie and for what end, Well, doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 1: There is a couple ends, right. One of them could
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Speaker 1: be they're being told to do this because this is
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Speaker 1: a real thing, but it's different than what they're saying,
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Speaker 1: and they're trying to get one narrative out there. Well, right,
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Speaker 1: let's imagine that there's a current coordinated effort with the
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Speaker 1: United States government and some sort of alien intelligence. Wouldn't
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Speaker 1: it behoove you to make it more of a mystery
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Speaker 1: like we've been trying. We've been that we have found things,
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Speaker 1: but we don't know what they are, and we're back
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Speaker 1: engineering but we don't know much. But meanwhile they know
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Speaker 1: way more. Well, yeah, look, which is just one scenario
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Speaker 1: that could be a scenario.
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Speaker 2: But in this case you have the people who like Rubio,
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Speaker 2: who found out what's going on, right, who think it
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Speaker 2: is very urgent that the public get caught up and
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Speaker 2: find out the base facts. His biggest fear clearly is
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Speaker 2: we are in a high stakes technology race, a cold
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Speaker 2: war race with adversarial nations like China, to reverse engineer
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Speaker 2: technology of non human origin. And his fear, he literally
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Speaker 2: says in the film, is that if we don't get
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Speaker 2: our act together and take this more seriously the country.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna wake up one day. We're gonna find out
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Speaker 2: the hard way that China got there. We won't know
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Speaker 2: when or how, but to quote him, we will be screwed.
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Speaker 2: And you could feel it, like I did all the
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Speaker 2: interviews myself. I'm like, just close to him. He's chin
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Speaker 2: buckled when he said it. He was dead serious and
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Speaker 2: he was super concerned, and you could feel it. And
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Speaker 2: that was the vibe with Senator Rounds, Senator Jilllebran, Jim Clapper,
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Speaker 2: guy's never talked about this topic in his life is
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Speaker 2: in his eighties. He was the head of Air Force Intelligence,
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Speaker 2: he was the director of National Intelligence. Never publicly spoken
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Speaker 2: about UAP. He goes on, he comes out and does
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Speaker 2: the interview and he told me, excuse me. He told
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Speaker 2: me that he was doing it because it was important
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Speaker 2: to do and that the people needed to know. And
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Speaker 2: he drops the bomb in the film that UAP activity
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Speaker 2: over Air fifty one is real. It's in fact real.
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Speaker 2: And he goes on the record saying that the Air
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Speaker 2: Force has had a program to investigate this stuff, whereas
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Speaker 2: the Air Force is saying they haven't had a program
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Speaker 2: since Project Blue Book. So I think the people that
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Speaker 2: I interviewed really felt like a weight on their shoulders
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Speaker 2: to get this off their chest and giving more context
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Speaker 2: than Clapper. The poor guy's wife was in the hospital died.
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Speaker 2: He left the hospital to come to the interview, and
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Speaker 2: I actually said to him, I was like, are you
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Speaker 2: sure you want to do this today? And he's like, no,
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Speaker 2: I want to do it. It's important.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: So, like, I think I really felt it. These people
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Speaker 2: all felt like the public needed to know the base
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Speaker 2: facts that they could lawfully disclose. And to me, the
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Speaker 2: more wild thing is if this is if what they
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Speaker 2: reveal in this film, the fact that there's been an
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Speaker 2: eighty or cover up of non human intelligent life, that
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Speaker 2: we're in a secret, high stakes race with adversarial nations,
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Speaker 2: If that's what they can lawfully disclose, Dude, what's on
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Speaker 2: the other side of that line. What's the stuff they
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Speaker 2: can't disclose?
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Speaker 1: Right? You know? Yeah, when you're talking to these people,
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Speaker 1: how many of them have had personal experiences that they
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Speaker 1: either can or cannot talk about. How many of us
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Speaker 1: has anyone had some sort of personal experience with either
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Speaker 1: a craft or seen something.
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that they couldn't talk about.
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Speaker 2: That they there were some scenarios that they couldn't talk about,
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Speaker 2: and then there were some scenarios they could talk about.
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Speaker 2: But yes, Jay Stratton, for example, who ran the US
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Speaker 2: government's Cup task Force, He was the director of task force.
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Speaker 2: He co founded ASAP with Jim Mulcatsky, which grew into
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Speaker 2: a tip. He has seen with his own eyes non
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Speaker 2: human craft and non human beings. Some situations that he
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Speaker 2: can't talk about, some situations that he can, and I
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Speaker 2: know he intends to talk about those in the very
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Speaker 2: near future.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've talked to him. So is that the only
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Speaker 1: one that saw a non human being that you talked to?
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Speaker 2: No, talked to a couple of people who have.
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Speaker 1: And were they similar stories?
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Speaker 2: They were similar stories. They they described the beings looking.
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Speaker 2: The reference point they gave me was very similar to
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Speaker 2: the beings depicted in close encounters. That is the description
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Speaker 2: they used.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the.
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Speaker 2: In terms of the crafts. One of the interviews in
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Speaker 2: the film that I'm really proud of an Air Force
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Speaker 2: security guard who worked at Vanderberg Air Force Base who's
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Speaker 2: never gone public, witnessed with his own eyes, along with
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Speaker 2: five other security forces members, a giant UAP the size
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Speaker 2: of a football field that came over Vanderberg Air Force Base,
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Speaker 2: hovered over them, and then shot off at thousands of
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Speaker 2: miles an hour. And he went on the record on camera.
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Speaker 2: He's never talked about it publicly. He's never pursued press
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Speaker 2: or you know, try to do anything with this experience.
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Speaker 1: Right, And he.
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Speaker 2: Broke his silence in this film because he thought it
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Speaker 2: was really important that the world.
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Speaker 1: Know the truth. Did you ask him if there's any footage?
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Speaker 1: I would imagine Vanderburger is some pretty tight security.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he thinks that there is security camera footage of this,
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Speaker 2: but he's never seen it. He's never seen it. Good lord,
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Speaker 2: I mean five it was hitting. Five other guys saw
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Speaker 2: with their own eyes. They all reported it. There's official
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Speaker 2: Air Force police blogger reports of it. I got a
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Speaker 2: hold of the police report, but we put it on
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Speaker 2: screen in the film.
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Speaker 1: That's what drives me crazy. All this could be cleared
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Speaker 1: up if they released the whatever high resolution security camera
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Speaker 1: footage they have. I would imagine they have top notch
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Speaker 1: security camera footage around major military facilities. Yeah. Right, So
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Speaker 1: that's one.
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Speaker 2: Of the hurles we have to get past.
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Speaker 1: We have to these montherfuckers are holding. It's just like
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Speaker 1: if that shouldn't be yours, like that should be the
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Speaker 1: United States government has an obligation to give that to
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Speaker 1: the people of the world. That's what that should be.
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Speaker 1: If you have footage of a fucking UFO or real one. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you really have a video of it going thousands
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Speaker 1: of miles an hour just disappearing into the sky.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one d per I mean, I don't think any
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Speaker 2: government or organization or religion and anyone be able to
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Speaker 2: gate keep these fundamental.
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Speaker 1: Facts, you know, I know. But the problem is until
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Speaker 1: you see it, it's just talk. You know. If you
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Speaker 1: saw it and you know that, you know the like
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Speaker 1: the chain of command, like where it came from, or
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Speaker 1: a chain of custody rather where it came from. It
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Speaker 1: hasn't been molested, have analysts tested, it's not ai, it's
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Speaker 1: not bullshit, it's not edited. Okay, what is it? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then we can talk. But until then, what do
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Speaker 1: we have. We have the go fast footage, we have
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Speaker 1: the gimbal footage, and we have the very kind of grainy,
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Speaker 1: weird TikTok footage. It's hard to tell what it is
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Speaker 1: because you're looking at it from the instrumentation of the
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Speaker 1: fighter jets.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there is also other There is also other
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Speaker 2: data on the Tiktac incident that's classified that shows this
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Speaker 2: is a real object that was really there.
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Speaker 1: Jamie showed me something. What do you show me, Jimmy.
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Speaker 3: This is Ryan Graves talking about the big red UFO
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Speaker 3: that hovered over Vandenberg in two thousand and three.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that happened in the afternoon, and then that
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Speaker 2: night this giant craft came over the base. That is
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Speaker 2: revealed in my film.
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Speaker 1: So it says right here, the executive director of the
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Speaker 1: Graves who's been on the podcast for Greve awesome sighting
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Speaker 1: occurred around eight to forty five am, followed by a
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Speaker 1: second sighting only hours later. He said. Witnesses provided him
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Speaker 1: with information about the mysterious incidents as they held onto
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Speaker 1: official documentation records from the event over the years.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so later that night there rather.
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Speaker 1: Later in the evening post sunset, the reports of other
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Speaker 1: sightings on base, including some aggressive behaviors. These objects were
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Speaker 1: approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds before
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Speaker 1: darting off, like close encounters, like literally like the movie
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Speaker 1: I just wonder how much Steven Spielberg. I love to
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Speaker 1: talk to him about that, how much he dove into
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Speaker 1: it before he made that film, because you know, he
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Speaker 1: had the Jacques Valle character, that French scientist.
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Speaker 2: I think he learned a lot in the seventies. People forget.
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Speaker 2: He also wrote Poulter guys, right, Yeah, this guy knew
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Speaker 2: what was going on early on. But put yourself in
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Speaker 2: the shoes of those security guards at Vanderberg. Can you
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Speaker 2: imagine just being a normal guy, you work in your
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Speaker 2: security shift, You look up and there's something size of
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Speaker 2: a football field over you, hovering Matt silent windows. It's
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Speaker 2: terrifying and it's crazy. And he says, we did a
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Speaker 2: New York City premiere a couple of nights ago, Tuesday night.
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Speaker 2: We did it on the Intrepid aircraft carrier.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow.
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Speaker 2: It was awesome and Fravan Graves cam was great. To
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Speaker 2: be on an aircraft carrier with, you know, frav and Graves.
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Speaker 1: That's awesome.
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Speaker 2: Fraver loved that. He's like, I'm back on a carrier, baby.
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Speaker 2: It was classic. But the witness from VanderBurg came and
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Speaker 2: we did a little talk after for the audience, and
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Speaker 2: he said it changed his life. He just completely looks
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Speaker 2: at everything differently.
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Speaker 1: Oh, how could it not? How could it not? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I mean if you see something like that.
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Speaker 2: Totally humbling and also you know, eye opening. There's several
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Speaker 2: people in the film mil military guys who talk about
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Speaker 2: what they experienced and saw on military basis, especially nuclear bases,
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Speaker 2: which is which is goes back to one of the
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Speaker 2: biggest concerns. The leaders in my film have almost all
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Speaker 2: the activities over our nuclear weapon sites and military bases,
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Speaker 2: our defense capabilities, and our nuclear progress essentially are being monitored.
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Speaker 2: And why is.
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Speaker 1: That Because it's dangerous as fuck. Yeah, because as Terrence
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Speaker 1: McKinnon described us, we're territorial apes were final nuclear weapons. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeahs a ridiculous position.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that's clear to me too. And then
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Speaker 2: you think about, okay, well where does all this go?
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Speaker 2: Like comes to a crossroads? Right, Like, they've been here
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Speaker 2: a long time, they've been monitoring us a long time,
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Speaker 2: but now we've evolved be dangerous and we're either at
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Speaker 2: through secret programs their level, or we're about to be.
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Speaker 2: And then that's when you get to a crossroad. So
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Speaker 2: I think that's one of the things driving officials like
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Speaker 2: Rubio and Rounds and Jillibrand and Jay Stratton to come
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Speaker 2: out and say what they legally can because it's the
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Speaker 2: set of circumstances that the human population really needs to
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Speaker 2: know about. And then he's become a humanitarian issue. How
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Speaker 2: do we deal with this right?
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Speaker 1: And what is it right? What is their purpose? If
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Speaker 1: they are real? Are they here to help us? Are
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Speaker 1: they monitoring us? One of the creepiest things that Bob
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Speaker 1: Blazarre said is that they look at us like containers. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and I was like, what does that mean?
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Speaker 1: Like containers of souls is what I interpreted from it.
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Speaker 1: But that's just me, But like, what does that mean containers?
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Speaker 1: Like it seems like human beings have an insatiable desire
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Speaker 1: to innovate and create better technology, and that seems to
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Speaker 1: be leading us into AI and seems to be leading
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Speaker 1: us into probably what connects us with the rest of
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Speaker 1: the universe, the rest of the intelligence of the universe.
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Speaker 1: But the stuff that got us here is being these
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Speaker 1: territorial apes. You know, That's why we developed cities, and
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Speaker 1: that's why we developed agriculture, and that's why we had
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Speaker 1: enough free time to innovate. We had enough free time
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Speaker 1: to invent things and change things. But our nature is
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Speaker 1: really what holds us back because we're still constantly warring
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Speaker 1: that it hasn't changed it all.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy that we're still threatening nuclear war eighty years
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Speaker 2: after you know, dropping the bomba of Japan. We're still
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Speaker 2: evading sovereign nations.
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Speaker 1: We're involved in a proxy war, We're you know, we're
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Speaker 1: helping Israel. It's like, there's so much chaos and death
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Speaker 1: going on in the world because of human beings and
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Speaker 1: the decisions that they're making that if I was an
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Speaker 1: intelligent life species from somewhere else, I'd be very concerned.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be like, here's this group of monkeys on
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Speaker 2: a trajectory about to make a digital god.
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Speaker 1: They're real close to having super intelligence and digital form,
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Speaker 1: and these idiots are still blowing themselves up from the sky.
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Speaker 2: Which also is why one of the current limits exists. Right,
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Speaker 2: So this technology exists, private defense contractors have this technology,
17:13
Speaker 2: elements of the government have the technology. You're convinced, beyond convinced.
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Speaker 1: And what do you think that technology consists of.
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Speaker 2: I have been completely convinced by multiple members of the
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Speaker 2: intelligence community, the military, senior leaders in government, people who
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Speaker 2: are running the Senate Armed Services Committee, the sent Intellan's Committee,
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Speaker 2: someone who sits on the White House National Security Council,
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Speaker 2: that our country has recovered dozens dozens of crashed craft
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Speaker 2: of non human origin and done so since the forties,
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Speaker 2: and there has been success for verse engineering elements of
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Speaker 2: the technology, and the same thing has been happening in
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Speaker 2: China and Russia. And it's a very real situation. It's
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Speaker 2: a high stake situation. It is referred to as the
17:56
Speaker 2: atomic race on steroids, and I am comp letely convinced
18:00
Speaker 2: of that. And the and the contractors that the defense
18:04
Speaker 2: contractors that people like Jay Stratton and Luell Zondo and
18:06
Speaker 2: people on the Senate Intel Committee have told me are
18:09
Speaker 2: involved are Lockheed Martin, north of Grumman, raytheon Batel, big
18:15
Speaker 2: companies that have a lot of resources and are advancing
18:22
Speaker 2: this technology. But it's also classified and so deeply hidden
18:27
Speaker 2: that it hinders progress. And the fear that if this
18:31
Speaker 2: technology got out would be used by bad actors to
18:34
Speaker 2: create weapons of mass destruction has sort of prevented the
18:37
Speaker 2: scientific progress that could be better for mankind, that could
18:40
Speaker 2: be good for mankind like this, this could this technology.
18:43
Speaker 2: To quote Halputov in the film set, he says, this,
18:47
Speaker 2: this is the key to interstellar travel, This is the
18:49
Speaker 2: key to exploring the galaxy. This is the key to
18:52
Speaker 2: you know, things that sound like science fiction, like teleportation,
18:56
Speaker 2: all these things that could just revolutionize humanity and like
18:59
Speaker 2: the trajectory of our speed, are being held back out
19:02
Speaker 2: of the fear that the technology will be used for evil. Right,
19:07
Speaker 2: And so you know, I love how putdof I gotten
19:10
Speaker 2: very close with him, and you know, he makes real
19:13
Speaker 2: fascinating guys, the most interesting person I've ever met my life.
19:18
Speaker 2: He makes a great point in the film is saying
19:21
Speaker 2: he believes, despite the risks this technology could be used
19:24
Speaker 2: for bad, he believes we should make it known and
19:28
Speaker 2: make it a humanitarian issue of how we all collectively
19:31
Speaker 2: go about safely using this technology to change the world
19:35
Speaker 2: for the better and avoid destruction. And we've done that.
19:38
Speaker 2: We have a blueprint for that with nuclear technology, right,
19:41
Speaker 2: Like they are nuclear weapons, that's stuffs classified. We wish
19:44
Speaker 2: they didn't exist, but it does exist. And then we
19:47
Speaker 2: also use nuclear energy for good.
19:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, the question would be if we're holding back because
19:56
Speaker 1: we're worried that bad actors are going to get it.
19:58
Speaker 1: Is China taking the same roach, because I would imagine
20:01
Speaker 1: they're not They're not. I would imagine their full bore,
20:03
Speaker 1: full steam ahead.
20:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's that's one of the problems.
20:06
Speaker 1: Like that's the same thing with a lot of other technology, right, yeah. Yeah.
20:10
Speaker 2: Rubio and Rounds and jillibrand three of the most senior
20:14
Speaker 2: leaders in our government talk very openly about their concern
20:20
Speaker 2: about China and them getting ahead of us on reverse
20:23
Speaker 2: entry in this technology. Rubio says it keeps them up
20:25
Speaker 2: at night. Rounds very animally animatedly says in the film,
20:29
Speaker 2: do you think for one second that they wouldn't use
20:33
Speaker 2: this technology for their domination if they didn't think we
20:39
Speaker 2: had access to the same technology?
20:41
Speaker 1: How is everybody getting these crashed UFOs? What's the story
20:44
Speaker 1: behind that?
20:44
Speaker 2: So here's an interesting thing. One of the one of
20:48
Speaker 2: the unexpected things I learned in talking to sources, like
20:52
Speaker 2: real credible people, is that some of the crash some
20:55
Speaker 2: of the crashes were actual crashes where just you know,
21:00
Speaker 2: crashes happen, just like they do for you. You could
21:02
Speaker 2: drive as safe as possible, fly saf as possible. Crashes
21:04
Speaker 2: are gonna happen, but some of them were actually caused
21:08
Speaker 2: by elements of our military and silence community and elements
21:12
Speaker 2: of foreign military and challeng's community community people. So, like,
21:18
Speaker 2: one of the realizations early on was that atomic weping test,
21:23
Speaker 2: nuclear weapon testing, atomic weapon testing crete has a ripple
21:26
Speaker 2: effect that can down these.
21:29
Speaker 1: Things, especially high altitude nuclear testing, which is one of
21:33
Speaker 1: the things that they did in the nineteen fifties in particular.
21:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they started doing it, yeah, to like
21:37
Speaker 2: shoot fish in a barrel base. They did it on purpose, Yeah,
21:40
Speaker 2: and so did That's why they were doing it. Yeah.
21:42
Speaker 2: And then Russia, Russia started doing it. Yeah. And then
21:46
Speaker 2: one of the.
21:46
Speaker 1: Well, it's like throwing dynamite into the river. It's like
21:49
Speaker 1: fishing dynamite y, Yeah, fishing with dinamite.
21:51
Speaker 2: Oh.
21:51
Speaker 1: And then which is.
21:53
Speaker 2: Crazy on multiple levels. A, you could accidentally provoke a
21:56
Speaker 2: nuclear conflict with another party that doesn't know what you're doing.
21:59
Speaker 2: B you're you know, you're picking a fight with a
22:04
Speaker 2: more intelligent, superior species, right, which is probably not gonna
22:10
Speaker 2: work out great for anybody.
22:11
Speaker 1: They probably couldn't believe we were using nukes in the sky.
22:14
Speaker 1: These fucking idiots nuked.
22:16
Speaker 2: Some of our spaceships and the ocean. Yeah, we nuked
22:19
Speaker 2: the ocean a ton of time, and there's a ton
22:20
Speaker 2: of u apactivity in the ocean, right, which.
22:23
Speaker 1: Is something that timber Chet recently talked about. Did you
22:26
Speaker 1: see that? Yeah?
22:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I've I've talked off the record
22:29
Speaker 2: with admirals and subcommanders and been told that these giant
22:35
Speaker 2: football sized crafts that were seen over Vanderberg, for example,
22:38
Speaker 2: have been seen under the ocean whoa moving at crazy
22:40
Speaker 2: speeds tracked by our subs.
22:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had said there was one story of one
22:45
Speaker 1: that was the size of a football field that was
22:47
Speaker 1: going five hundred knots. Yeah, underwater with no ripples.
22:50
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it makes starts to make you think like,
22:52
Speaker 2: not only was Spielberg tipped off early on, but maybe
22:55
Speaker 2: maybe James Cameron was too. Maybe the ABYSS is a
22:57
Speaker 2: lot closer to reality.
22:58
Speaker 1: Than right than we ever. Well, there was a stories
23:00
Speaker 1: about things coming from the ocean, and there was always
23:03
Speaker 1: stories of people that lived in like the Pacific, like
23:06
Speaker 1: on the coast of seeing things come out of the ocean,
23:08
Speaker 1: particularly somewhere around San Diego. There's there's always stories.
23:11
Speaker 2: There was a Congressman Carson Andre Carson, who's on the
23:15
Speaker 2: House Intelligence Committee and on the House Committee for the CIA.
23:20
Speaker 2: He goes on the record in the film saying that
23:23
Speaker 2: these UAP that come out of the ocean are other
23:26
Speaker 2: worldly things. He says, they are not they made aircraft,
23:29
Speaker 2: They are not rockets. These are other worldly things, he says.
23:34
Speaker 2: And that's a significant That was a significant moment for
23:36
Speaker 2: me when he went on the record and said that.
23:38
Speaker 2: And I think it's going back to the nuclear stuff.
23:44
Speaker 2: It's scary to think that anyone thought it was a
23:47
Speaker 2: good idea to intentionally take down the aircraft of a
23:51
Speaker 2: more intelligent species. Yeah, it seems like a very foolish decision.
23:56
Speaker 1: Well, if that's true. Yeah, I know that there was
23:58
Speaker 1: a lot of high altitude nuclear bomb testing for whatever reason,
24:02
Speaker 1: and there was that Operation Midnight Prime. Is that what
24:05
Speaker 1: it was, noh, Starfish Prime, where they were blowing holes
24:10
Speaker 1: through the Van Allen radiation belts. They were just launching
24:12
Speaker 1: nuclear bombs into space.
24:14
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you something that I don't I don't
24:15
Speaker 2: think people know about. But the UAP Task Force, which
24:19
Speaker 2: Jay Stratton ran, they put in place based on that
24:24
Speaker 2: data of the connection with nukes. They put together a
24:28
Speaker 2: plan uh to lure in UAP with nuclear elements, so
24:35
Speaker 2: nuclear aircraft carrier with some nuclear weapons on it, and
24:39
Speaker 2: they had all these data collection systems in place and
24:43
Speaker 2: it worked.
24:44
Speaker 1: Whoa.
24:44
Speaker 2: So they like out bait, they without causing, without doing
24:49
Speaker 2: a test, just the fact that they had weed and
24:53
Speaker 2: was being put in a place it attracted and they
24:56
Speaker 2: caught a lot of data on it.
24:58
Speaker 1: Whoa.
24:59
Speaker 2: And you know, we shouldn't think that was the only
25:01
Speaker 2: time they did that.
25:02
Speaker 1: Well I would imagine, you know, they probably saw the
25:05
Speaker 1: testing the stupid shit we did in the ocean. The
25:08
Speaker 1: fact that, like we were talking about this last night,
25:11
Speaker 1: John Wayne did a terrible movie called Genghis Khan. If
25:15
Speaker 1: you ever saw it, it's one of the worst movies
25:17
Speaker 1: of all time. And that's what killed him. That movie
25:19
Speaker 1: killed him. He got cancer from that movie, and so
25:21
Speaker 1: did almost like I think it was like close to
25:24
Speaker 1: one hundred people on the set, some very large number
25:26
Speaker 1: of people on the set got cancer because they did
25:29
Speaker 1: this all down wind from where the government was detonating
25:32
Speaker 1: nuclear bombs. They filmed it all in Nevada and the
25:35
Speaker 1: desert horrible, horrible, so like they blew up. So yeah,
25:38
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen the video of the where it
25:41
Speaker 1: shows like a time lapse of all the nuclear tests
25:43
Speaker 1: over the years, and you just go, yo, what are
25:46
Speaker 1: you doing?
25:47
Speaker 2: Yeah?
25:48
Speaker 1: What are you doing in Nevada? Nevada just boom boom
25:50
Speaker 1: boom boom boom boom boo boom boom. And if I
25:53
Speaker 1: was from another planet, I'd be like, that's when I
25:55
Speaker 1: would start going, Oh my god, these idiots not only
25:58
Speaker 1: do they have it, but they're just blowing them up
26:00
Speaker 1: in the ocean. Yeah, no consideration for the fish, the whales,
26:04
Speaker 1: the dolphins, whatever the fuck happens to be there when
26:06
Speaker 1: they drop that thing down, like they're clearly irresponsible.
26:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, that's concerning an analogy that multiple people
26:14
Speaker 2: actually use with me. They said, put yourself in the
26:17
Speaker 2: shoes of advanced non human intelligence species. Here's the analogy.
26:20
Speaker 2: Imagine you're a zoo keeper and you see this gorilla
26:24
Speaker 2: in a cage, and you love this gorilla.
26:26
Speaker 1: It's sweet.
26:27
Speaker 2: You watch you watch it evolve over the years, you
26:29
Speaker 2: see it communicate it waves to you. You know, you
26:32
Speaker 2: have no issue with this gorilla, You don't wish it
26:34
Speaker 2: any harm. But what happens if one day you come
26:36
Speaker 2: in and the other security guards say, hey, last night,
26:39
Speaker 2: the gorilla got tout his cage, walked around the park,
26:42
Speaker 2: was playing with the gun cabinet, and then he went
26:44
Speaker 2: back in his cage. You're like, all right, that's concerning.
26:46
Speaker 2: Let me keep an eye on this, right. And then
26:49
Speaker 2: and then what happens if you know, a month later
26:50
Speaker 2: you come in and they're like, hey, the gorilla, this
26:53
Speaker 2: time he got in the gun cage. He was playing
26:56
Speaker 2: with the gun, and then he went back in his
26:58
Speaker 2: cage with the gun. What do we do here? Right,
27:01
Speaker 2: it's even worse than that. So it's like, we'll take
27:02
Speaker 2: the gun out of his hand, we'll put it back,
27:04
Speaker 2: we'll change the locking on stuff. Right. But then what
27:06
Speaker 2: happens if it evolves to a place where sometime later,
27:09
Speaker 2: you come out of your house on a Sunday, you're
27:11
Speaker 2: not even going to work, you got your daughter's hand
27:12
Speaker 2: in your hand, and the grill is standing in your
27:14
Speaker 2: front along with a shotgun. Then you've got to make
27:16
Speaker 2: a choice really quick, right, like do I just take
27:18
Speaker 2: this thing out or do I try to communicate with
27:21
Speaker 2: and risk my daughter getting shot? And this analogy has
27:24
Speaker 2: been used with me multiple times to describe the dynamic
27:27
Speaker 2: we have with non human intelligent life and the situation
27:29
Speaker 2: we're barreling towards.
27:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would almost be like you went to the
27:32
Speaker 1: cage and the grill was welding, he's making a board,
27:37
Speaker 1: he's putting together a shotgun, he's figuring out dynamite on cleanings. Yeah,
27:42
Speaker 1: that would be the real issue, like, oh my god,
27:44
Speaker 1: they figured out guns. Because the thing is, we figured
27:47
Speaker 1: it out. It's not like somebody gave it to us,
27:49
Speaker 1: you know.
27:49
Speaker 2: Look, one of a couple of people in the film
27:52
Speaker 2: reveal that some of the weight PE activity we see
27:54
Speaker 2: is non human intelligent life, but some of it is
27:57
Speaker 2: reverse engineered craft from our program, legacy program, and some
28:01
Speaker 2: from adversaries. So I personally think we have cracked this
28:06
Speaker 2: technology a lot more than people realize. I don't think
28:09
Speaker 2: you spend over a trillion dollars and have thousands of
28:12
Speaker 2: people working on a deeply hidden program every year for
28:14
Speaker 2: eighty years and not make progress.
28:18
Speaker 1: Yeah. God, I would love to know what it is
28:20
Speaker 1: that they've done and whether the tic TAC is one
28:23
Speaker 1: of ours.
28:24
Speaker 2: I don't think it is. No, No, I talk to
28:26
Speaker 2: everybody who actually ran the investigation of the tic TAC
28:29
Speaker 2: from various agencies and to the pilots, no one thinks
28:33
Speaker 2: it's man made. And also if it was man made,
28:36
Speaker 2: that would mean that someone cracked a new energy source
28:42
Speaker 2: that far back, which is like twenty years at this point,
28:44
Speaker 2: h and has never used it to benefit our country
28:51
Speaker 2: or another country to solve the energy crisis, to make
28:54
Speaker 2: a superior craft that we've seen used. It's just hard
28:58
Speaker 2: to believe that no one would use that to like
29:00
Speaker 2: fuel their economy. I mean, it'd be it'd be like
29:02
Speaker 2: a total, you know, restart of everything if you had
29:06
Speaker 2: that technology.
29:07
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's interesting, right.
29:10
Speaker 2: I mean the craft with that Tiktac was going from
29:14
Speaker 2: sea level to eighty thousand feet which is space, and
29:19
Speaker 2: hovering in space, going back down, hovering at sea level
29:22
Speaker 2: and doing this for hours. We don't have anything. One
29:26
Speaker 2: of the scientists who was involved in one of the
29:27
Speaker 2: UAP programs for the government in my film does the
29:30
Speaker 2: math and says the energy required to do that is
29:35
Speaker 2: the electrical output of the entire United States for he
29:38
Speaker 2: said a week, some stupid amount of energy required.
29:41
Speaker 1: I think it's even more than a week. But yeah,
29:43
Speaker 1: I remember him saying that it's bonkers and that don't
29:46
Speaker 1: take humans trip up.
29:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and they were doing that all day, all day. Yeah,
29:51
Speaker 2: it's crazy. It's crazy.
29:53
Speaker 1: Right. If they had that in two thousand and four,
29:55
Speaker 1: which is the Tiktac incident, you would think there would
29:57
Speaker 1: be some just insane progress.
29:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
30:00
Speaker 1: So if it's not ours, what is the predominant theory
30:05
Speaker 1: of what they are?
30:08
Speaker 2: The predominant theory is that they is multiple species, and
30:13
Speaker 2: there's no one answer. Everyone I talk to who has
30:16
Speaker 2: real visibility to the crash retuel program says the non
30:19
Speaker 2: human bodies that have been recovered in some of these
30:21
Speaker 2: crafts all look different. There are multiple species. The universe
30:25
Speaker 2: is full of life.
30:26
Speaker 1: How many different species?
30:28
Speaker 2: I've heard of at least four body types that were recovered.
30:30
Speaker 1: So all I've heard of is the grays, which is
30:34
Speaker 1: like the Close Encounters of the third kind ones, the Nordics,
30:37
Speaker 1: which is also known as like the tall Whites, right,
30:40
Speaker 1: the same thing for people. And then there is the reptilians.
30:45
Speaker 1: People talk about reptilians being the scariest one.
30:47
Speaker 2: No one's ever used that word with me, to be honest, really.
30:49
Speaker 1: And then there's mantis. There's ones that are like insect
30:53
Speaker 1: like I've heard people say that I haven't heard of
30:56
Speaker 1: any more than that. Yeah, well, I've also heard multiple
31:01
Speaker 1: military people talk about little beings that almost look like
31:06
Speaker 1: et little little bots that don't don't seem sentient, that
31:10
Speaker 1: seem like they're they're almost like like a robot, like
31:16
Speaker 1: a robot almost. Yeah, some artificial creation maybe, Yeah. Maybe
31:21
Speaker 1: you would imagine if you get to genetic engineering and
31:24
Speaker 1: and when there's cyborgs and you integrate technology with this
31:28
Speaker 1: genetic engineering, you're going to be able to create like workers. Yeah,
31:32
Speaker 1: like little That's what many people have thought. The grays
31:35
Speaker 1: are like, there's small grays that are they're more into
31:38
Speaker 1: like a workforce capacity. They just do the bidding of
31:41
Speaker 1: the taller grays, which seem to be more intelligent. I
31:44
Speaker 1: just heard that. You know.
31:45
Speaker 2: One of the one of the one of the really
31:48
Speaker 2: interesting things is that there's no one answer, right, some
31:52
Speaker 2: some non human intelligent life that's here might might have
31:55
Speaker 2: benign intentions and some might have bad intentions, right, we
31:59
Speaker 2: don't know the the other The other reason I am
32:03
Speaker 2: extremely convinced that this situation is entirely real is the
32:08
Speaker 2: axis I got when making the film was really an
32:12
Speaker 2: unprecedented level, like I got very close with the leadership
32:15
Speaker 2: of the Senate Film's Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee.
32:19
Speaker 2: They were introducing me to people, they were opening doors
32:21
Speaker 2: for me, and some of the people that I met
32:24
Speaker 2: through them were actually involved in recovery programs, and we're
32:31
Speaker 2: gonna do interviews, and then ultimately decided not to and
32:34
Speaker 2: that they thought they thought it would cost in their lives.
32:38
Speaker 2: Two people used the same words with me. Actually, it
32:40
Speaker 2: was very interesting. Two people used the words after careful consideration,
32:47
Speaker 2: I've decided I would be forfeiting my life if I
32:49
Speaker 2: participated on camera in your film. The word forfeiting, which
32:52
Speaker 2: I had never heard anyone use in that kind of context.
32:55
Speaker 2: Right to put yourself my shoes, Like, I'm a normal
32:58
Speaker 2: guy from Jersey making a movie about some I'm interested
33:00
Speaker 2: in the last thing. I want to hear something like that.
33:02
Speaker 2: You know, so that's.
33:04
Speaker 1: The most sure way to get people to keep secrets.
33:07
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So, I of course was like, that's shocking
33:11
Speaker 2: and disappointed here. Obviously we should stop talking. You know,
33:15
Speaker 2: I don't want you in this movie. Do not want
33:18
Speaker 2: that on my conscious But it also was another another
33:23
Speaker 2: sign that how real all this is.
33:24
Speaker 1: Without naming any names. Is there anything that you couldn't
33:27
Speaker 1: talk about in the film that you could tell us
33:31
Speaker 1: without like quoting anybody or pinning it on anybody.
33:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of stuff I learned
33:36
Speaker 2: off the record. Hopefully it all comes out and people
33:41
Speaker 2: can legally talk about it at some point, but can
33:44
Speaker 2: you without I know there's been I know there's been
33:46
Speaker 2: multiple contact events, like yeah, straight up contact events. One
33:51
Speaker 2: of them is revealed in the film, actually, but there
33:53
Speaker 2: are more. There was this several people my film talk
33:57
Speaker 2: about an event that happened to Hellaman Air Force Base
33:59
Speaker 2: where two non human crafts approached the base. One landed
34:04
Speaker 2: beings walked out and interacted with Air Force officials and
34:06
Speaker 2: CIA officials, and a couple people go on the record
34:09
Speaker 2: talking about that in the film. But there have been
34:11
Speaker 2: other events. I've been told.
34:12
Speaker 1: How are those beings described?
34:14
Speaker 2: They were described as tall, slender, humanoid. And another thing
34:21
Speaker 2: that I heard that gave me chills was that someone
34:26
Speaker 2: involved with a recovery interacted with a non human being
34:34
Speaker 2: that was dying and heard thoughts in his head that said,
34:42
Speaker 2: you humans don't know your full potential. And that was
34:45
Speaker 2: set to me by a very senior older guy from
34:48
Speaker 2: the intelligence community, and I thought that was pretty pretty incredible. Also,
34:55
Speaker 2: just the extent to which the Legacy program is real.
34:58
Speaker 2: It's not This isn't like fifty guys, you know, sitting
35:01
Speaker 2: in a quiet dark room. You're talking about a massive
35:04
Speaker 2: program with thousands of people going to work every day
35:07
Speaker 2: and dealing with this, And to me, that is mind blowing.
35:11
Speaker 2: You know, you know, the the guy the you know,
35:14
Speaker 2: the guy next to you at the pizza place, you
35:16
Speaker 2: know on a Saturday night might be working on this
35:17
Speaker 2: dur in the day. You know, the guy who you know,
35:20
Speaker 2: the other father at your kids like, you know, literally
35:22
Speaker 2: gam this is what he deals with, right, the fact
35:24
Speaker 2: that that is a thing. And you know, we had
35:28
Speaker 2: we had a similar dynamic for the Manhattan Project. There
35:30
Speaker 2: were always people working on it and they kept it secret, right,
35:32
Speaker 2: and their neighbors and friends didn't know. But this is
35:34
Speaker 2: that on steroids. So you know, after the Manhattan Project,
35:37
Speaker 2: which was had a budget in the billions, this situation
35:40
Speaker 2: arose and it had to be even more secret than
35:42
Speaker 2: the Manhattan projec because the Manhattan Project, we found out
35:44
Speaker 2: in hindsight, leaked, right, there were moles. So we needed
35:47
Speaker 2: to make this even more secret and give it more
35:49
Speaker 2: money and more resources and more you know, counter intel,
35:54
Speaker 2: and more threats, which is counter intel, Yeah, yeah.
35:57
Speaker 1: I mean threats if you reveal those secrets. But it's
36:00
Speaker 1: like the more this stuff gets discussed, the more I
36:05
Speaker 1: go back to what Lazar said, because Lazar's describing from
36:10
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties is exactly what these people are saying.
36:14
Speaker 1: Now they've had these things, they've been trying to figure
36:17
Speaker 1: them out, they've been working on them. At least in
36:19
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. They hadn't totally cracked it yet, but
36:22
Speaker 1: they did know how to operate them, and that they
36:24
Speaker 1: would do these tests. But everything was so compartmentalized. He
36:27
Speaker 1: said he wasn't allowed to talk to the metallurgists. There
36:33
Speaker 1: was different people that were assigned to it. What they
36:35
Speaker 1: were assigned to do was to try to figure out
36:38
Speaker 1: how the propulsion system work, and then there was other
36:41
Speaker 1: people that were assigned to try to figure out how
36:43
Speaker 1: the metallurgy was formed. Because whatever it was seemed like
36:47
Speaker 1: it was three D printed. It didn't any seems And
36:50
Speaker 1: when he talks about it, it sounds exactly like what
36:54
Speaker 1: people are talking about today, which is really bananas. Because
36:58
Speaker 1: this is late nineteen eighties and he's the first guy
37:01
Speaker 1: to crack through with this stuff.
37:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything is so in that secret program. Everything is
37:05
Speaker 2: so siloed out where you could have one team of
37:08
Speaker 2: defense contractors working on one thing. They're even told from
37:11
Speaker 2: an alien spacecraft. They're just told, here's the thing. It
37:13
Speaker 2: might be Russia might be trying to tell us how
37:15
Speaker 2: it works, right, and they're just kept in a little
37:17
Speaker 2: in a little bubble. And one of the issues now
37:22
Speaker 2: is that everything's become so overclassified and so siloed that
37:27
Speaker 2: it's it's actually hurting progress. And that's a lot of
37:31
Speaker 2: the scientists in my film are voicing that. And you know,
37:34
Speaker 2: one of the other things I learned recently that isn't
37:36
Speaker 2: in the film. Jay Stratton, you know who ran the
37:39
Speaker 2: UP Task Force. He told me that during during that
37:43
Speaker 2: time he had started a talk with one of the
37:46
Speaker 2: senior scientists at Lockheed who was frustrated by how overclassified
37:53
Speaker 2: everything was. It made them It even made it hard
37:55
Speaker 2: for the defense contractors to get the right manpower brains
38:00
Speaker 2: on it, because not everyone can be cleared to do
38:04
Speaker 2: the work right. There's all these like red tape hurdles
38:06
Speaker 2: to progress, right, And so they had made a plan
38:10
Speaker 2: to move one of the crafts that had been recovered
38:13
Speaker 2: that was in Lockheed's possession into the possession of the
38:16
Speaker 2: UAP task Force, and then the task force was going
38:18
Speaker 2: to be able to put more brain power towards it,
38:21
Speaker 2: and then the head of Science and Technology at the
38:24
Speaker 2: CIA shut it down in the middle of the transfer.
38:27
Speaker 2: They had actually secured a hangar on a military base
38:31
Speaker 2: and prepped it to be a classified hanger that would
38:34
Speaker 2: hold this craft and they were stopped.
38:37
Speaker 1: So the issue what happened after that, Yeah.
38:41
Speaker 2: The CI just shut, the CIA shut the shut the
38:43
Speaker 2: whole transaction down, and the craft stayed in Lockheed's possession.
38:47
Speaker 2: And then that particular leader within Lockheed died about two
38:51
Speaker 2: years later, so that the effort kind of stopped.
38:55
Speaker 1: In cancer.
38:57
Speaker 2: The the overclassification is it's definitely a hurdle for this
39:03
Speaker 2: and our competitors don't actually have that like she you know,
39:05
Speaker 2: there's no free will and shot. She can just be like, hey,
39:07
Speaker 2: you're the smartest guy graduating your class. You're gonna go
39:10
Speaker 2: work for the nation on this, you know. And here
39:13
Speaker 2: the problem is no one knows it's real. One of
39:15
Speaker 2: the things I hope the film changes is it makes
39:18
Speaker 2: the scientific community know that this is a valid area
39:20
Speaker 2: of inquiry. This is real, it's a real situation, and
39:23
Speaker 2: there's a ton of problems for the next generation of
39:28
Speaker 2: engineers and scientists to solve, you know, and so hopefully
39:31
Speaker 2: inspires them, it helps us make progress, because there's a
39:35
Speaker 2: lot of progress that could be made here.
39:37
Speaker 1: Well, it certainly seems like it, but it's like how
39:40
Speaker 1: one of the things that you guys propose in the film,
39:42
Speaker 1: But I think maybe the only way forward is some
39:45
Speaker 1: sort of a mass amnesty to all these people that
39:48
Speaker 1: did a lot of Congress and probably misappropriated funds and
39:51
Speaker 1: maybe I just stole them a little bit here and there. Like,
39:54
Speaker 1: if that doesn't happen, no one is going to push
39:58
Speaker 1: to make this public. No one's going to push for
40:01
Speaker 1: like actual full disclosure because it leaves them too exposed.
40:05
Speaker 1: And if they do have the kind of power that
40:07
Speaker 1: they must have to be running an organization of thousands
40:10
Speaker 1: of people working on something with unbelievable amounts of money
40:13
Speaker 1: being transferred to these programs, they don't want to let
40:16
Speaker 1: that go. Yeah, Like this is like it's a honeypot
40:19
Speaker 1: that they're drawing from right, and they're probably still taking
40:22
Speaker 1: too much or there's no oversight. It's you're still lying
40:26
Speaker 1: to Congress, and you'd have to you'd have to have
40:30
Speaker 1: some national security amnesty program saying, look, in the interest
40:35
Speaker 1: of national security, it's critically important that we get all
40:38
Speaker 1: of our best people working on this. The only way
40:41
Speaker 1: we're ever going to really do that is to completely
40:45
Speaker 1: reveal that this is actual, really, this is actually really happening.
40:50
Speaker 1: This is real crafts from somewhere or something. We have them,
40:55
Speaker 1: We'll tell you where we have them. And let's I
40:57
Speaker 1: think right now people wouldn't even freak out because I
41:01
Speaker 1: would think that people would freak out if there was
41:04
Speaker 1: some sort of official narrative of disclosure. But that's sort
41:07
Speaker 1: of been breached, right The New York Times breached that
41:10
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven.
41:11
Speaker 2: I think this film is that, I mean, there's this
41:12
Speaker 2: is films, incredible people putting their reputation the name on
41:15
Speaker 2: the line, which which I honestly, Joe, I think it's
41:18
Speaker 2: more it's stronger evidence than any video or photo. These days,
41:22
Speaker 2: you could put a four K video of a giant
41:24
Speaker 2: craft over Vanderberg and half the human population will say
41:26
Speaker 2: it's AI or creating some visual effects program, but someone
41:30
Speaker 2: of note putting their name and reputation on the line,
41:34
Speaker 2: their career on the line, the rest of their lives
41:36
Speaker 2: on the line, to say this is what I know
41:39
Speaker 2: to be true. To me, that's the greatest evidence that exists.
41:42
Speaker 2: But I do think to your point, amnesty is something
41:46
Speaker 2: that's gonna have to be figured out, because while it's
41:50
Speaker 2: hard for anyone to accept letting people off the hook
41:54
Speaker 2: for wrongdoings, right it is, it does seem like it's
41:59
Speaker 2: in the best interest of the bigger picture because these
42:02
Speaker 2: people just aren't gonna they have no incentive to come
42:05
Speaker 2: forward with what they've learned. And so, to quote Ruby
42:07
Speaker 2: on the film, he says, look, this is not a
42:10
Speaker 2: endeavor to go and punish anyone, but we need to
42:13
Speaker 2: know what they learned. And I think he's totally dead
42:15
Speaker 2: on And you know.
42:17
Speaker 1: Is he in favor of some sort of an amnesty programs.
42:20
Speaker 2: Yea says he says on camera in the film, He's like,
42:22
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not trying to punish anyone. I need
42:24
Speaker 2: to know what they learned because taxpayers paid for this,
42:27
Speaker 2: and it's in our interest to know what's going on.
42:30
Speaker 2: But the other thing that's needed is real whistleblower protection,
42:36
Speaker 2: not not not the whistle of protection that's been passed
42:40
Speaker 2: so far, like much stronger legal protections so that people like,
42:45
Speaker 2: you know, like the folks I talk to, the Special
42:47
Speaker 2: Forces guys I talked to, were going to come forward
42:48
Speaker 2: and then decided if they thought to be forfeiting their lives.
42:51
Speaker 2: You've got to change that set of circumstances. You've got
42:54
Speaker 2: to make those people feel like that's not going to
42:56
Speaker 2: happen to them, right, And and what I think ultimately
42:59
Speaker 2: is going to have to happen, and I wouldn't be surprised, man,
43:01
Speaker 2: if it happens soon after the film comes out, I
43:04
Speaker 2: think a sitting president has to step to the microphone
43:06
Speaker 2: and say, definitively, humanity is not alone in the universe.
43:11
Speaker 2: We have recovered technology of non human origin. So have
43:14
Speaker 2: other nations. There is a high stakes, secret Cold war
43:17
Speaker 2: race to reverse intern this technology. We need to win
43:19
Speaker 2: this race, and the US intends to lead in this
43:21
Speaker 2: new chapter. I think that needs to happen, like a
43:23
Speaker 2: level set of basic facts, and I really do think
43:27
Speaker 2: it will happen.
43:28
Speaker 1: Well, if that is going to happen. I think Trump
43:30
Speaker 1: might be the only guy that's willing to do something.
43:32
Speaker 2: I think, I think, I think it's very likely that
43:35
Speaker 2: he does that. I know that I know that he
43:38
Speaker 2: is aware of the film. I know he's aware of
43:40
Speaker 2: what people in his administration say.
43:42
Speaker 1: Has he watched it?
43:43
Speaker 2: You know, he has not watched the film, but I
43:45
Speaker 2: know he's very aware of it. And I know that
43:50
Speaker 2: they are discussing internally how they're going to react to
43:54
Speaker 2: the film publicly. And I also know that he has recently,
43:58
Speaker 2: very recently tasked Telci Gabbertt with getting to the bottom
44:03
Speaker 2: of the situation and finding out for him what he
44:05
Speaker 2: needs to know that he doesn't know really. Yeah, And
44:07
Speaker 2: as Rubio said in the film, Rubio says on camera,
44:12
Speaker 2: on the record on the film that this has been
44:14
Speaker 2: kept from sitting presidents, and he goes into detail on
44:17
Speaker 2: how that's been done and how it's the career bureaucrats
44:21
Speaker 2: at certain elements of the government that control this information
44:24
Speaker 2: and just wait presidents out and don't feel like they
44:27
Speaker 2: have a need to know.
44:29
Speaker 1: Right. Well, there were some people that tried to find
44:31
Speaker 1: information out in the beginning of the Trump administration. Who
44:34
Speaker 1: was it there was someone that talked about it on
44:36
Speaker 1: record and said he was told at every turn that
44:39
Speaker 1: you don't have the clearance.
44:41
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But here's the thing. Trump actually found out
44:45
Speaker 2: about the base facts in his last presidency and was
44:50
Speaker 2: contemplating stepping into the microphone.
44:52
Speaker 1: Then what base facts?
44:53
Speaker 2: So Jay Stratton, who you know, ran the task force,
44:58
Speaker 2: he says on camera in my film that he he briefed.
45:02
Speaker 2: He that Mnusian, the Secretary of Treagery, asked for a
45:05
Speaker 2: briefing on the lay of the land because Trump asked
45:09
Speaker 2: him to get the briefing. And Trump had already known
45:14
Speaker 2: that the base facts, that that we're not alone in
45:16
Speaker 2: the universe, that there's been recovery of crash craft. Right,
45:22
Speaker 2: he knew those base facts, and he told Mnushan that
45:24
Speaker 2: he was thinking about going public, and Somnusian reached out
45:27
Speaker 2: to Stratton to get a briefing, and he told He
45:30
Speaker 2: told Stratton that the reason he wanted the briefing is
45:32
Speaker 2: because he needed to be able to evaluate what the
45:35
Speaker 2: impact would be to the economy if the president decided
45:38
Speaker 2: to step to the mic and tell the world we're
45:39
Speaker 2: not alone. Stratton tells a story on camera in the film,
45:42
Speaker 2: and I've heard a lot more about it off camera,
45:44
Speaker 2: so we know Trump contemplated doing this already. Now, I
45:48
Speaker 2: think the release of this film and Rubio's involvement puts
45:52
Speaker 2: enough on the table that it makes it easier for
45:56
Speaker 2: him to.
45:57
Speaker 1: Do I think they would have to have some of
46:00
Speaker 1: a plan in place if they were going to say that, right,
46:02
Speaker 1: like the Amnesty plan, the idea behind it would have
46:06
Speaker 1: to be in place or some.
46:07
Speaker 2: Or at least grab grab control the situation and say
46:09
Speaker 2: that we're the this is real in the US. Intends
46:11
Speaker 2: to lead the way because the other, the other factor
46:13
Speaker 2: that the White House has to keep in mind is
46:15
Speaker 2: you don't want she or Putin being the guy to
46:17
Speaker 2: do that, right, don't You don't want them to have
46:20
Speaker 2: that right right?
46:21
Speaker 1: Right?
46:23
Speaker 2: You know something I was thinking about with regards with
46:25
Speaker 2: regards to that moment of a presence step into the
46:27
Speaker 2: mic when we entered the space race, Kennedy gave that
46:29
Speaker 2: big famous speech, right, he was like, we're going to
46:32
Speaker 2: lead in space uh technology, Like you know, space technology,
46:36
Speaker 2: like nuclear technology, has no conscious of its own. It's
46:39
Speaker 2: up to man to use it for good or bad.
46:41
Speaker 2: And we're we're going to make sure it's used for
46:43
Speaker 2: the betterment of all mankind, and we're going to lead
46:45
Speaker 2: the way. That was his whole rallying speech, right, And
46:47
Speaker 2: it made the whole scientific community be like, we're gonna
46:50
Speaker 2: help help the US win, Like you know, rah rah rah.
46:52
Speaker 1: Right.
46:53
Speaker 2: I think that's needed in this race, Like we need
46:58
Speaker 2: all the support of the scientific community of academia, the
47:02
Speaker 2: kids coming out of MIT, we need them putting their
47:04
Speaker 2: brain power towards this. And I think the White House
47:07
Speaker 2: knows that. And it's also the greatest that's the greatest
47:10
Speaker 2: TV moment a leader could have in the history of humanity.
47:14
Speaker 1: Microphone. Do you think Elon knows.
47:17
Speaker 2: Look, I've seen him obviously talk to you about it.
47:19
Speaker 2: I think he knows a lot.
47:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
47:22
Speaker 2: I don't think you get the contracts and the clearances
47:25
Speaker 2: you need to operate in space without some horse trading.
47:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. When I went to SpaceX, I'm like, motherfucker, you
47:32
Speaker 1: know everything. You're launching these fucking things into space without
47:38
Speaker 1: them keeing you in on exactly what's going on. He's
47:41
Speaker 1: just sly about it. If they all aliens are, certainly,
47:46
Speaker 1: that's what he says, Like, are they really I don't know, man,
47:49
Speaker 1: I think.
47:49
Speaker 2: It's impossible to operate in space like he does and
47:52
Speaker 2: not be aware of everything, and also at the level
47:55
Speaker 2: he operates clearance wise. I held a secret screening at
47:59
Speaker 2: the National Space Symposium earlier this year, which is the
48:02
Speaker 2: super Bowl of the space industry. It's like sixty people
48:05
Speaker 2: have you hitters from the space industry. Didn't promoted or
48:07
Speaker 2: publicize it at all, but there were a dozen guys
48:10
Speaker 2: from SpaceX there and they all and they all seem
48:14
Speaker 2: very aware of everything revealed in the film.
48:16
Speaker 1: Yeah. Positive, Yeah, he's my friend and he won't tell
48:21
Speaker 1: me he lit on it. He's a legend. But how
48:24
Speaker 1: do how would he not know if it is? And
48:27
Speaker 1: you know, some people have told me he knows that.
48:29
Speaker 1: That know, he knows them things. So whatever. But the
48:33
Speaker 1: point is, people good are good at keeping secrets. That
48:36
Speaker 1: is that's real. Even people that aren't notoriously good at
48:40
Speaker 1: keeping secrets, they're good at keeping secrets when they have
48:42
Speaker 1: to tree.
48:43
Speaker 2: So you think, do you think if you put yourself
48:45
Speaker 2: you've you've you've interviewed Trump. Do you see him doing that,
48:48
Speaker 2: stepping to the mic and telling us the truth?
48:50
Speaker 1: Someone talks to him about it and convinces him. It's
48:53
Speaker 1: a great idea, like if I had an hour with him.
48:57
Speaker 2: I mean, it's literally the sing single, in my opinion,
49:00
Speaker 2: the single greatest moment a leader could have well in
49:03
Speaker 2: the history.
49:04
Speaker 1: Of the world. If he could be the guy that
49:06
Speaker 1: blows the lid off of it, that would definitely help
49:08
Speaker 1: with his legacy too, which I think would be a
49:10
Speaker 1: good way to convince him, you know, and also that
49:13
Speaker 1: the people would be excited about it.
49:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's.
49:16
Speaker 1: Just I think there's probably a lot of forces that
49:20
Speaker 1: were not totally aware of that would fight very hard
49:23
Speaker 1: to keep this from being revealed. You know, there's a
49:26
Speaker 1: lot of people whose reputations would probably be in jeopardy,
49:30
Speaker 1: a lot of people that may never get trusted again,
49:32
Speaker 1: even if they get amnesty, if there's any evidence of impropriety,
49:37
Speaker 1: any evidence of embezzlement, in which I can't imagine there's
49:41
Speaker 1: not some fucking funny money flying around here and there,
49:45
Speaker 1: and it's just no oversight. Come on, guys like, oh,
49:49
Speaker 1: you're above board totally with no oversight at all, and
49:53
Speaker 1: a trillion dollars fuck off.
49:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I do think I've come to
50:02
Speaker 2: understand that he is borderline enraged at how much has
50:05
Speaker 2: been hidden from the White House, so that alone might
50:09
Speaker 2: motivate him to just step up and say the truth.
50:12
Speaker 2: It's also the most bipartisan issue of our time, so
50:14
Speaker 2: I'll talk to him about it. Have support, Yeah, you can,
50:17
Speaker 2: I'll give it a cred.
50:18
Speaker 1: Talk about it. It's just just so many other things
50:20
Speaker 1: to talk about.
50:21
Speaker 2: You get a Nobel Peace Prize for that film, No,
50:22
Speaker 2: I don't want one of those.
50:23
Speaker 1: I'll never show up. Give it to me. You're gonna
50:26
Speaker 1: have an empty stage, you know.
50:28
Speaker 2: I think, I really I'm excited to see what happens
50:31
Speaker 2: on the other side of this release because I think
50:32
Speaker 2: it's gonna I think it's going to waken the public.
50:35
Speaker 2: I do think they're going to make a ton of
50:36
Speaker 2: demand on unelected leaders and representatives to go take this
50:40
Speaker 2: more seriously, and it's gonna put pressure on the whe House.
50:42
Speaker 2: People have never seen someone like Rubio step up and
50:45
Speaker 2: say what he says in the film. You know the
50:47
Speaker 2: other think about Rubio. You remember he's also the National
50:49
Speaker 2: Security Advisor, and that's never happened in the history of
50:52
Speaker 2: the United States other than Henry Kissinger for two years.
50:54
Speaker 2: This guy's in a very powerful position, very influential position,
50:57
Speaker 2: and aware of a lot more than he even when
51:00
Speaker 2: he was on the Senate.
51:01
Speaker 1: Till's Committee's a senator interesting and also motivated and fascinated
51:06
Speaker 1: by it, so he's engaged in the information totally.
51:11
Speaker 2: What what what what?
51:12
Speaker 1: What?
51:13
Speaker 2: What do you find? Like? What do you think if
51:17
Speaker 2: you could choose what happens after a movie like this
51:19
Speaker 2: comes out? What would you like to say.
51:22
Speaker 1: Some mass congressional hearings and a real conversation about amnesty,
51:27
Speaker 1: Because I think it's the only way to get to
51:29
Speaker 1: the bottom of things, because otherwise I think you're gonna
51:31
Speaker 1: have every fucking possible legal and uh, hierarchical, hierarchy tol
51:37
Speaker 1: whatever the word is, hurdle, like get every step. Everyone's
51:41
Speaker 1: gonna block your access to information. They're gonna lie, they're
51:44
Speaker 1: gonna burn records, they're gonna hide things. They're not gonna
51:47
Speaker 1: tell you where anything is. People will get assassinated, there'll
51:50
Speaker 1: be whistleblowers, they'll be in grave danger. I think there's
51:53
Speaker 1: too much money involved, and you got to think about
51:57
Speaker 1: it like a criminal organization, because if you turn them
52:00
Speaker 1: into criminals, they're going to act like criminals. If you
52:02
Speaker 1: if you say Hey, you might go to jail with
52:04
Speaker 1: the rest of your fucking life because you lie to
52:06
Speaker 1: Congress and now we know you did. And you know
52:08
Speaker 1: there's two hundred and fifty million dollars that your company
52:11
Speaker 1: got in three hundred million dollars this company god over
52:13
Speaker 1: the course of X amount of years, and we know
52:16
Speaker 1: we know that you got. You're in trouble, Like we're
52:18
Speaker 1: gonna put you in jail. And then if that, if
52:23
Speaker 1: you make them criminals, they're gonna act like criminals. Do
52:25
Speaker 1: I think you're dealing with people that have enormous amounts
52:27
Speaker 1: of money and probably they make weapons, they're probably have
52:30
Speaker 1: the most respectful life. It's you know, if there's a
52:35
Speaker 1: real discussion where it makes it look like it's their
52:38
Speaker 1: idea as well. Yeah, that they have this obligation to
52:42
Speaker 1: the American people. They were held under secrecy for so long,
52:46
Speaker 1: but now through this administration and through this openness that
52:50
Speaker 1: we've all decided through the scientific community, we're going to
52:53
Speaker 1: release this shit.
52:53
Speaker 2: No, I think I agree, and that could change the world.
52:56
Speaker 2: The other thing to remember is these aren't villains. They're
52:58
Speaker 2: not like this is unlike dark group of evil people.
53:02
Speaker 2: They're they're they're normal people that were given a job
53:05
Speaker 2: to do and then did it right. And they weren't
53:07
Speaker 2: the decision makers and and they and they're navigating a
53:10
Speaker 2: situation that is unprecedented. There's no playbook for right. So
53:14
Speaker 2: they think they're doing the right thing right And and
53:18
Speaker 2: I think that's important to remember.
53:20
Speaker 1: You know, do you know that you know the putoff thing?
53:23
Speaker 1: It was in your documentary with the Bush Senior. He
53:27
Speaker 1: talked about it on the podcast We that is such
53:29
Speaker 1: a fascinating story.
53:30
Speaker 2: It's amazing back then early right after nine eleven.
53:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, Herbert Walker Bush. No, it was Herbert Walker, the belief.
53:37
Speaker 2: No, the panel was the panel.
53:38
Speaker 1: Was h it was George Bush Junior. It was w
53:41
Speaker 1: oh I thought it was Bush Senior. Yeah, No, it
53:43
Speaker 1: was right after right after Okay, so during that time,
53:47
Speaker 1: so I'm confused. So but imagine, So let's imagine two
53:51
Speaker 1: thousand and one. Where would we be twenty four years
53:53
Speaker 1: later if we had real disclosure from the White House.
53:56
Speaker 1: So for people who didn't see the documentary yet or
53:58
Speaker 1: watch the podcast with me and how put off? What
54:00
Speaker 1: he said was it was him and a bunch of
54:03
Speaker 1: other thought leaders and they were all brought together with
54:07
Speaker 1: a numerical value for pros and cons related to disclosure.
54:11
Speaker 1: So basically they said to them, we have act, we
54:15
Speaker 1: have acquired crafts that are not of this world, and
54:18
Speaker 1: we have biological entities that are not of this world.
54:21
Speaker 1: These are real. We want to know if we disclosed
54:24
Speaker 1: to the general public that alien life is real, what
54:28
Speaker 1: would be the negative impacts on our society, on our government,
54:32
Speaker 1: on our religion, our economy, everything. And they put a
54:36
Speaker 1: numerical value to everything, and overwhelmingly all the people asked
54:41
Speaker 1: had way.
54:41
Speaker 2: More con than pro and they determined it was a
54:43
Speaker 2: bad idea.
54:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is so wild. Bandaid off for a.
54:48
Speaker 2: Couple of days where a bunch of people got together
54:51
Speaker 2: and decided the fate of humanity.
54:53
Speaker 1: Isn't that fascinating?
54:54
Speaker 2: It's crazy?
54:54
Speaker 1: It was the fate, well, at least, I don't think
54:57
Speaker 1: really the fate. I think what it did was just
54:59
Speaker 1: retard everything. It just slowed the growth of access to this.
55:04
Speaker 1: And I've really given the New York Times a lot
55:06
Speaker 1: of credit because I think publishing in twenty seventeen, that
55:10
Speaker 1: that piece that they did on the front page was
55:13
Speaker 1: so huge. Because the New York Times is arguably the
55:17
Speaker 1: most respected newspaper in the world and for them to
55:19
Speaker 1: address it like it's a real issue and like these
55:22
Speaker 1: pilots are seeing these things, they're behaving in ways that
55:25
Speaker 1: don't make any sense with propulsion that we do not understand,
55:29
Speaker 1: and these are real and this is New York Times
55:31
Speaker 1: like that. That was so many people texted me after that,
55:36
Speaker 1: called me after that because they know that I'm a
55:37
Speaker 1: UFO nut and they're like, hey man, this might be real,
55:40
Speaker 1: like serious people that I'm friends with, ye, And I'm like,
55:43
Speaker 1: I think it's real. Maybe there's something there.
55:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's helped us get us where we are now.
55:51
Speaker 2: I don't think the mainstream media support I'm getting from
55:54
Speaker 2: for this film right now. I don't think it would
55:55
Speaker 2: have happened if it wasn't for that.
55:57
Speaker 1: No, I think the Times article was that first the
56:00
Speaker 1: membrane and allowed more data to come than It's just
56:04
Speaker 1: more rational discourse about it, because I think before then
56:07
Speaker 1: it was just so dismissed and so ridiculed, and you
56:10
Speaker 1: just didn't want to be attached to it because you
56:12
Speaker 1: were a fool. You'd have to be a fool to
56:14
Speaker 1: be considering it.
56:15
Speaker 2: But the Time still is one of those legacy media
56:18
Speaker 2: outlets that still hedges their bets like that article. You know,
56:22
Speaker 2: the original headline I think was We're not alone in
56:24
Speaker 2: the universe, and they changed it to you know, I
56:27
Speaker 2: think it was like black projects and hidden money or
56:29
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, you know they had to dial
56:32
Speaker 2: it down.
56:33
Speaker 1: Well because they don't know, right, we might not be
56:36
Speaker 1: alone in the universe. These things might be China's. It's
56:39
Speaker 1: not likely.
56:40
Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing. If it if we open
56:43
Speaker 2: ourselves to the possibility that these advanced aircraft penetrating our
56:47
Speaker 2: nuclear weaponsites on our military basis are China, that's fucking
56:50
Speaker 2: terrifying and that should be the biggest issue of our time,
56:55
Speaker 2: hands down, because we know the intention of the Chinese
56:58
Speaker 2: Communist Party. It's not good, right, They're not our friends,
57:00
Speaker 2: their adversaries, and you know, she has made public statements
57:05
Speaker 2: about wanting to replace the United States at the top
57:07
Speaker 2: of the world order, like it's a stated goal, right,
57:10
Speaker 2: So if it is China, even the possibility that they
57:13
Speaker 2: have some of these crafts alongside not human crafts existing, right, Yeah,
57:18
Speaker 2: even that possibility, it requires the US garments to take
57:23
Speaker 2: this so much more serious. Here's an analogy that General
57:26
Speaker 2: Jim Clapper made to me. You know, he was the
57:27
Speaker 2: Director of National Intelligence. He's in the film. He's like,
57:30
Speaker 2: before nine to eleven, we didn't put the right amount
57:32
Speaker 2: of money towards counter terrorism, and we weren't properly sharing
57:37
Speaker 2: information in intelligence community. Then this horrible thing happened, and
57:40
Speaker 2: the public was outraged and said we got to throw
57:43
Speaker 2: money and resources at counter terrorism. Every elected representative was
57:46
Speaker 2: beaten that drum. We started the Director of National Intelligence
57:50
Speaker 2: position so that the agencies would all share information and
57:52
Speaker 2: you would minimize the chance of intelligence gaps. Right, and
57:56
Speaker 2: we threw tons of appropriated funds towards counter terrorism. We
57:59
Speaker 2: now spend more money on counter terrorism then we even
58:01
Speaker 2: need to m And his point was he hopes it
58:05
Speaker 2: doesn't take something bad happening on this front, like China
58:10
Speaker 2: cracking this technology in a way we haven't and then
58:12
Speaker 2: using it against us, or non human intelligent life taking
58:17
Speaker 2: an action that isn't favorable to us, before we then
58:20
Speaker 2: throw resources towards it. And it's essentially the same thing.
58:23
Speaker 2: Rubio said. They think we need to get ahead of
58:25
Speaker 2: this problem, not wait for it to happen and then
58:27
Speaker 2: react to it.
58:28
Speaker 1: Well, of course, I mean, it would be a horrible
58:32
Speaker 1: loss both in terms of our our our national pride
58:39
Speaker 1: of being the innovators and being at the head of technology.
58:42
Speaker 1: If China came out and said, we've cracked this. We
58:45
Speaker 1: have UFOs that we back engineered, and now we can
58:48
Speaker 1: fly them around and we can go visit other solar systems.
58:51
Speaker 2: We create a new energy source, we're creating the planet. Yeah,
58:54
Speaker 2: we would be We would look like fools if we.
58:56
Speaker 1: Realize and if we realized that there would have been
58:59
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that were working on this stuff
59:01
Speaker 1: the whole time, but they had been handcuffed by all
59:04
Speaker 1: the secrecy, and that this had all been done with
59:07
Speaker 1: defense contractors and lying to Congress, It'd be a fucking
59:11
Speaker 1: national disaster. We would look completely incompetent.
59:14
Speaker 2: I really legitimately think a lot of the people in
59:16
Speaker 2: my film stepped up because they don't want to be
59:18
Speaker 2: a left hole in the bag and have people saying,
59:21
Speaker 2: why didn't you say something soon?
59:22
Speaker 1: Right?
59:23
Speaker 2: I really think this is because it's that cover your butt,
59:25
Speaker 2: because it's that close.
59:26
Speaker 1: So when people talk about the successful back engineering of
59:31
Speaker 1: these things, what are they saying. Are they saying that
59:35
Speaker 1: they can fly around Earth? Are they saying they can
59:39
Speaker 1: go outside of Earth's atmosphere and go into deep space
59:43
Speaker 1: with these things? What have they said we are currently
59:46
Speaker 1: able to do with these back engineered crafts that we've supposedly.
59:50
Speaker 2: People that I can't attribute to the statement to that
59:53
Speaker 2: we're very credible. Sources told me that some of the
59:58
Speaker 2: UAPC TODTY in space specifically is reverse engineer technology.
1:00:04
Speaker 1: Okay, does that mean in space in low Earth orbit
1:00:08
Speaker 1: or does that mean traveling through the Solar System?
1:00:12
Speaker 2: The what was implied to me was traveling through the
1:00:15
Speaker 2: Solar System.
1:00:16
Speaker 1: Jeez yea, so are these.
1:00:19
Speaker 2: Here's someone that same person said to me, By the way, yes,
1:00:23
Speaker 2: before I forget that. Their belief is that the technology
1:00:29
Speaker 2: we have would not be pulled out even to stop
1:00:33
Speaker 2: a world war. It would not Those cards would not
1:00:37
Speaker 2: be shown until moments before, like a nuclear war situation.
1:00:44
Speaker 2: So they wouldn't pull it out to stop like any
1:00:46
Speaker 2: of the wars we've experienced in the last you know,
1:00:48
Speaker 2: since World War Two, they wouldn't, you know, regardless of
1:00:50
Speaker 2: how many it has to get to nine, it has
1:00:53
Speaker 2: to get to a level where there's no there's no
1:00:56
Speaker 2: other option. Wow, could it's show your cards.
1:00:59
Speaker 1: Now when they say that they've traveled through the Solar System,
1:01:03
Speaker 1: is this biological human beings or are these drone crafts? Like?
1:01:07
Speaker 1: What are they saying?
1:01:08
Speaker 2: I never got any of that. I never got any
1:01:11
Speaker 2: of that. All I was told is there's some of
1:01:13
Speaker 2: the some of the UAPs that are seen that have
1:01:15
Speaker 2: been seen by our astronauts on space missions are non
1:01:18
Speaker 2: human intelligent life and some are reverse into aircraft. That's
1:01:23
Speaker 2: what I was told.
1:01:24
Speaker 1: But we don't know whether there's a person inside of them.
1:01:26
Speaker 1: I don't know if they are reverse engineering they are
1:01:29
Speaker 1: ours and we figured out how to make our own
1:01:31
Speaker 1: that I don't know. Yeah, I need to know that.
1:01:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of important.
1:01:37
Speaker 1: Is there fucking some dude named Bob flying through space,
1:01:39
Speaker 1: some top gun guy that they've given the task of
1:01:43
Speaker 1: traveling does venus real quick?
1:01:45
Speaker 2: Wouldn't surprise me?
1:01:46
Speaker 1: You know.
1:01:47
Speaker 2: One of the other things that you know, we were
1:01:49
Speaker 2: talking about Clapper and Ruby and what they said about China.
1:01:52
Speaker 2: Something else that they both said, Spike, these guys being
1:01:54
Speaker 2: completely ideologically opposed, right, like they've nothing else in common.
1:01:59
Speaker 2: They both spoke to how we as a species, not
1:02:03
Speaker 2: just our country, but the entire human species is held
1:02:06
Speaker 2: back by this. There's something in the fact that there's
1:02:09
Speaker 2: something in the human psyche that says, I can't prepare
1:02:11
Speaker 2: for or wrap my head around something I haven't experienced yet, right,
1:02:15
Speaker 2: And how that leads to strategic surprise because you're not
1:02:19
Speaker 2: preparing for something that can ultimately end up happening. And
1:02:21
Speaker 2: Rubio makes great examples. He says, you know, we didn't
1:02:23
Speaker 2: think that Japanese could torpedo US at Pearl Harbor until
1:02:26
Speaker 2: they figured it out, and they did. Right. We didn't
1:02:28
Speaker 2: think that terrorists We're gonna come here and learn how
1:02:30
Speaker 2: to fly commercial airplanes and use them in a terror
1:02:32
Speaker 2: attack until they did. And with this he's like, we
1:02:35
Speaker 2: don't want strategic surprise to lead to a disaster on
1:02:39
Speaker 2: this front. We need to be ahead of it. And
1:02:41
Speaker 2: he very powerfully says that you know, often strategic surprise
1:02:44
Speaker 2: changes the course of human history.
1:02:46
Speaker 1: So this is the question, if we have craft that
1:02:49
Speaker 1: we can travel through the source we meaning someone in
1:02:53
Speaker 1: the United States of America, does China Do they have
1:02:56
Speaker 1: the same ability right now? Is there an understanding of
1:03:00
Speaker 1: where they're at in the race versus us?
1:03:04
Speaker 2: Everyone who talked about the race with China was extremely
1:03:08
Speaker 2: concerned about how close they were, and multiple people talked
1:03:12
Speaker 2: about how these incursions over our sensitive bases and nukes
1:03:16
Speaker 2: could in fact be reverse engineered Chinese craft. So it is,
1:03:20
Speaker 2: it is a scary situation. I mean, look, you can
1:03:22
Speaker 2: ask the average person of the COMMI sense question, knowing
1:03:24
Speaker 2: what you know about the dynamic between China and the
1:03:26
Speaker 2: United States, would you be okay if they were the
1:03:28
Speaker 2: only country that had a nuclear weapon? The answer is no, right, right,
1:03:33
Speaker 2: So would you want them to be the only country
1:03:35
Speaker 2: that has technology more powerful than a nuclear weapon that
1:03:39
Speaker 2: could be weaponized in a way that's more destructive than
1:03:41
Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon?
1:03:42
Speaker 1: No, But what technology do they have other than the
1:03:46
Speaker 1: ability to travel? What other observed technology did they have?
1:03:49
Speaker 2: Well, if you weaponize this technology, like let's just take
1:03:52
Speaker 2: something like the tic TAC, imagine you could imagine you
1:03:56
Speaker 2: could travel, take something like that anywhere in the world
1:03:59
Speaker 2: and put an the weapon in there.
1:04:00
Speaker 1: Right, you would instantant you would have a nuclear weapon
1:04:03
Speaker 1: that goes off in less than a second on the
1:04:04
Speaker 1: other side of.
1:04:05
Speaker 2: The world, completely undetectable to any sensor system. You can't
1:04:08
Speaker 2: react to it. Yeah, you know, bad news. Also, these
1:04:13
Speaker 2: these vehicles display the ability to be trans medium, so
1:04:17
Speaker 2: you could put a nuke through any environment. It's very scary.
1:04:22
Speaker 1: Well, so trans medium does that mean, I know that
1:04:24
Speaker 1: it can go in the air and in the water,
1:04:27
Speaker 1: but does that mean you can go through actual physical objects? Yeah.
1:04:30
Speaker 1: So this is one of the things. In one of
1:04:31
Speaker 1: the crazier Jacques Vrolet stories that I've read a few
1:04:35
Speaker 1: of his books, and one of the more bizarre ones.
1:04:37
Speaker 1: This woman found this object on her property, some large property.
1:04:44
Speaker 1: I want to say it's Nevada. I forget where it was, California, Nevada,
1:04:47
Speaker 1: but anyway, in this egg shaped large object, and that
1:04:53
Speaker 1: as it took off, it flew through the trees. She said,
1:04:57
Speaker 1: it didn't disturb the trees, it just went right through them.
1:04:59
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:05:00
Speaker 1: I mean, look one of those.
1:05:01
Speaker 2: If you remember in the film, there's this great scene
1:05:03
Speaker 2: where hal Poutoff and Eric Davis, where two of the
1:05:05
Speaker 2: senior scientists involved with the government UAP programs. They break
1:05:08
Speaker 2: down how they figured out how these craft work and
1:05:11
Speaker 2: how they are warping space time in a localized area,
1:05:14
Speaker 2: and they're basically creating a bubble that the craft operates in,
1:05:19
Speaker 2: and the bubble separates the craft from the environment around it.
1:05:21
Speaker 2: The environment becomes irrelevant, so can move through physical space,
1:05:26
Speaker 2: could move from air to space to the water. Frictionalists,
1:05:30
Speaker 2: there's no splash, like the environment outside of the bubble
1:05:33
Speaker 2: is irrelevant. They're creating their own space time. Essentially, they're
1:05:38
Speaker 2: warping space time and creating a bubble around the craft.
1:05:40
Speaker 2: And when you start to think about how that could
1:05:42
Speaker 2: be weaponized, it's really terrifying.
1:05:45
Speaker 1: And what is he saying that they're using, Like, how
1:05:48
Speaker 1: are they.
1:05:49
Speaker 2: He's saying that they're creating an immense amount of energy
1:05:51
Speaker 2: in this localized area to create the bubble. And there's
1:05:53
Speaker 2: two prevailing thoughts on how the energy is created. One
1:05:56
Speaker 2: as they're tapping into so called zero point energy, which
1:05:59
Speaker 2: has only been the your eyes at this point by humans, right,
1:06:03
Speaker 2: or they're using quantum entanglement to pull energy from a
1:06:06
Speaker 2: far off source to the local area the bubble, and
1:06:13
Speaker 2: that's what they figured out.
1:06:14
Speaker 1: Did they have any knowledge of these generators or how
1:06:18
Speaker 1: they're acquiring this amount of power, what they're using. How
1:06:21
Speaker 1: are they are using zero point energy?
1:06:23
Speaker 2: No?
1:06:24
Speaker 1: No, no, But if we've got one and we back
1:06:27
Speaker 1: engineered successfully, clearly someone must know. Yeah, so someone knows look.
1:06:32
Speaker 2: Hal and Eric got very close with the scientists in
1:06:35
Speaker 2: the Legacy Program and we're sharing information and that got
1:06:40
Speaker 2: shut down by the CIA. So before it got shut down,
1:06:45
Speaker 2: they learned a lot about what we've been doing secretly
1:06:48
Speaker 2: and we've been figuring out jeez.
1:06:51
Speaker 1: So it's the fucking CI.
1:06:53
Speaker 2: A well, look the film. The film. The film reveals
1:06:56
Speaker 2: that the the Legacy Program, the craft retrieval reverse entering program,
1:07:00
Speaker 2: it has several elements. It's elements of the Air Force,
1:07:02
Speaker 2: it's elements of the Department of Energy, it's elements of
1:07:05
Speaker 2: the CIA and its defense contractors, and the CIA is
1:07:09
Speaker 2: the quarterback of the whole thing. The Air Force is
1:07:12
Speaker 2: used for recovery like field work. Essentially, they have the
1:07:17
Speaker 2: teams that can you know, react fast and go to
1:07:20
Speaker 2: a site and collect materials and classify it, and they
1:07:24
Speaker 2: have the aircraft to bring it back to a base.
1:07:26
Speaker 2: The defense contractors have the technology know how in the
1:07:29
Speaker 2: engineering skills to do the reverse engineering. The Department of
1:07:32
Speaker 2: Energy has laws that can be used to classify the
1:07:35
Speaker 2: material outside of you know, the President's reach and congress
1:07:39
Speaker 2: is reach. They also have you know, people who are
1:07:41
Speaker 2: experts at anything that gives off a lot of radiation
1:07:45
Speaker 2: and energy and then the CIA quarterbacks while thing think
1:07:51
Speaker 2: of them as like operational control. And this is revealed
1:07:54
Speaker 2: by a number of people in the film and every
1:07:57
Speaker 2: single source I talked to. There were a lot of
1:08:00
Speaker 2: people that I talked to in very senior positions that
1:08:03
Speaker 2: thought the film was important and the only way to
1:08:05
Speaker 2: bring the truth out to the public. But they couldn't
1:08:07
Speaker 2: be on camera, and they guided me, you know, filled
1:08:11
Speaker 2: and gaps for me, helped me understand the lay of
1:08:13
Speaker 2: the land. There were some people that told me not
1:08:15
Speaker 2: to interview. There was a couple of mold There was
1:08:16
Speaker 2: a couple of people that were sent to me. People
1:08:19
Speaker 2: wanted to trick me into including them in the film
1:08:21
Speaker 2: because they were crazy people. And I didn't.
1:08:23
Speaker 1: I didn't.
1:08:24
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't include them. I got tipped off
1:08:26
Speaker 2: by people. Don't stay clear of that. That's someone's agenda
1:08:29
Speaker 2: trying to sink your ship. But I had a lot
1:08:32
Speaker 2: of folks helping. The Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate
1:08:35
Speaker 2: Armed Services Committee were extremely supportive, and you know, I
1:08:40
Speaker 2: really don't think I would have been able to pull
1:08:42
Speaker 2: off making the film I did if not for their
1:08:45
Speaker 2: help and Rubio when I started my process was the
1:08:49
Speaker 2: vice chairman of the Intelligence Committee, and he had already
1:08:52
Speaker 2: learned a lot about what has been hidden from Congress
1:08:55
Speaker 2: and thought that what I was doing was really the
1:08:58
Speaker 2: only way to bring it out because none of these
1:09:00
Speaker 2: none of these people on their own, would go out
1:09:02
Speaker 2: on a limb by themselves and become subject to ridicule.
1:09:05
Speaker 2: They didn't want to be the one guy out there
1:09:06
Speaker 2: saying all this extraordinary stuff, right, not only because there's
1:09:10
Speaker 2: this antiquated cultural stigma where they could be made fun
1:09:12
Speaker 2: of or the reputational damage, but there's also this security
1:09:15
Speaker 2: system around the deeply hit in crash Retield program that
1:09:19
Speaker 2: for years has just targeted anyone who speaks up. And
1:09:22
Speaker 2: so what I basically put together was a way for
1:09:27
Speaker 2: them to safely do it and have strength in numbers
1:09:29
Speaker 2: and be arm in arm with you know, several doves
1:09:31
Speaker 2: and other people. And once Rubio leaned into that, I
1:09:34
Speaker 2: just started getting tremendous support from the Armed Service Committee
1:09:37
Speaker 2: and the Intelligence Committee, and then Senator Rounds became very helpful.
1:09:41
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes. Intelligence officials who worked this topic like
1:09:47
Speaker 2: Jay Stratton and Luel Zondo and hol put Off were
1:09:51
Speaker 2: extremely helpful behind the scenes, opening doors, introducing me to people,
1:09:57
Speaker 2: and yeah, I think that I think this is really
1:10:01
Speaker 2: the only way this is this we were gonna we
1:10:02
Speaker 2: were gonna get this level of information out by giving
1:10:05
Speaker 2: people that safety and numbers. And then after this it's
1:10:07
Speaker 2: gonna require the kind of amnesty we talked about, because
1:10:10
Speaker 2: this is only what they can lawfully disclose.
1:10:14
Speaker 3: Hmm.
1:10:14
Speaker 2: There's so much more so when it.
1:10:16
Speaker 1: Comes to underground or excuse me, underwater stuff. This is
1:10:22
Speaker 1: what tim Bershep was talking about when that person was
1:10:25
Speaker 1: famously interviewing him, and everybody was like, what, You're just
1:10:28
Speaker 1: walking across the street casually talking about bases where they're
1:10:31
Speaker 1: coming out of the ocean.
1:10:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
1:10:33
Speaker 1: What do they think that is? Is that different from
1:10:38
Speaker 1: what's going on in the sky.
1:10:39
Speaker 2: No, they think it's the same. They think it's the
1:10:41
Speaker 2: same crafts. They think so they have a base. It's
1:10:44
Speaker 2: more simply put, if you were here with advanced aircraft
1:10:48
Speaker 2: and you wanted to hide from humanity, the most logical
1:10:51
Speaker 2: place is the ocean. It's the majority of our planet.
1:10:54
Speaker 2: We've barely we've barely studied it. We've barely we've one
1:10:58
Speaker 2: of the admirals in my film says, we've scanned the
1:11:01
Speaker 2: surface of the Moon in more detail than we have
1:11:03
Speaker 2: the bottom of our oceans. Yeah, it's crazy how much
1:11:06
Speaker 2: is unexplored, right, and so it's the most obvious place
1:11:10
Speaker 2: to hide. There's a lot of activity that happens in
1:11:12
Speaker 2: the oceans. One of the one of the people I
1:11:14
Speaker 2: talked to who thought they would be in the film
1:11:17
Speaker 2: and then decided it was too risky for them was
1:11:19
Speaker 2: a special Forces guy who was involved in a recovery
1:11:23
Speaker 2: of a craft that was in the ocean, and when
1:11:28
Speaker 2: they were recovering it, a giant craft came up next
1:11:31
Speaker 2: to them, like a functioning craft, and the helicopter pulled
1:11:35
Speaker 2: out and they dropped the line and the helicopter took off,
1:11:39
Speaker 2: and the seal was in the water and watched this
1:11:41
Speaker 2: thing take off, and then he had to be recovered
1:11:43
Speaker 2: out of the water. And that's crazy.
1:11:46
Speaker 1: And the craft that they were trying to recover when
1:11:48
Speaker 1: went down went down. And did the big ship take
1:11:52
Speaker 1: it or anything?
1:11:52
Speaker 2: Or they said actually they actually literally said that. They
1:11:55
Speaker 2: said it took it and went back down.
1:11:57
Speaker 1: Yo.
1:11:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, how big was the big one? They said it
1:12:00
Speaker 2: was big, just big. That's the only word they used.
1:12:02
Speaker 2: To be honest, Yeah, and the guy was rattled because
1:12:05
Speaker 2: the guy was in the seal, was in the water
1:12:08
Speaker 2: hooking a line to this craft. And then when the
1:12:10
Speaker 2: helicopter pulled out, he said he was in the water
1:12:12
Speaker 2: just shitt in his pants and taking in this extraordinary experience.
1:12:17
Speaker 1: And then was he wearing a vest.
1:12:21
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure he's wearing his like fucking.
1:12:23
Speaker 1: Doggie Paddling's just leave him there in the fucking water.
1:12:28
Speaker 1: These guys panic can pull out, Maybe the UFO would
1:12:31
Speaker 1: let you take it.
1:12:32
Speaker 2: All these all these situations are really bonkers.
1:12:35
Speaker 1: I wonder what would have happened if they were like,
1:12:36
Speaker 1: fuck you, we're taking it, you know.
1:12:40
Speaker 2: I I what I often wonder is if any of
1:12:43
Speaker 2: the guys on that chopper snap snap video of this thing.
1:12:46
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of video that exists that
1:12:50
Speaker 2: is either classified at a crazy high level or people
1:12:55
Speaker 2: are just terrified to share, you know. And that's one
1:12:59
Speaker 2: of other things like once we need, we need, we
1:13:01
Speaker 2: need a declassification process that's real and sincere and you know,
1:13:06
Speaker 2: rigorously goes through what's there and what can be showed
1:13:09
Speaker 2: that won't hurt our national security, right, right, and just
1:13:11
Speaker 2: start being transparent with with the public. This, this encounter
1:13:16
Speaker 2: of the seal reminded me of another thing that I
1:13:18
Speaker 2: think is really important and speaks to the accountability issue.
1:13:20
Speaker 2: There's a number of military personnel and scientists that have
1:13:27
Speaker 2: worked for defense contractors who have had and inteln's officials
1:13:32
Speaker 2: who have had encounters and then end up with biological
1:13:35
Speaker 2: effects like real issues cancer immuneit you know, uh, autoimmune issues.
1:13:45
Speaker 2: A number of people have died of cancer after being
1:13:48
Speaker 2: around these things, and that's a whole other level of accountability.
1:13:51
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's people whose medical bills should have
1:13:54
Speaker 2: been paid for, they should have been putting those situations.
1:13:57
Speaker 2: You know, there's families growing up without a DAT because
1:14:01
Speaker 2: Dad encountered a UFO on BFF of the US government
1:14:03
Speaker 2: died Jesus. So that's that's a whole So was the side.
1:14:06
Speaker 1: Of this them getting cancer from being around the object
1:14:10
Speaker 1: or being around biologics or the object? Because these the object.
1:14:13
Speaker 2: Because once you understand that these craft are warping space
1:14:19
Speaker 2: time in a localized area and creating immense amount of energy,
1:14:22
Speaker 2: getting close to it's like getting close to a you know,
1:14:24
Speaker 2: a huge electrical system or you know, it's just it's bad.
1:14:27
Speaker 1: You know, that's the Travis Walton story.
1:14:30
Speaker 2: It's a lot of stories.
1:14:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that Travis Walton in particular. That's what you know.
1:14:34
Speaker 1: He said happened. He got close to the object and
1:14:37
Speaker 1: something zapped him. And you know whether it was an
1:14:40
Speaker 1: actual like targeted attack, or whether it was just something
1:14:43
Speaker 1: a reaction to him being so close to this energy
1:14:46
Speaker 1: that he was thrown back, knocked unconscious, gravely hurt, and
1:14:51
Speaker 1: that they took off. Yeah.
1:14:52
Speaker 2: I've spoken, I've spoken off the records to some Intel's
1:14:56
Speaker 2: officials who have managed to actually get the government to
1:15:00
Speaker 2: take accountability and give them anonymous health injury status HI status,
1:15:04
Speaker 2: which has only.
1:15:05
Speaker 1: Gone to.
1:15:07
Speaker 2: Victims of quote unquote Havana syndrome. And it's it's a
1:15:12
Speaker 2: real situation. But not everyone has the relationships or the
1:15:15
Speaker 2: ability to get escalated to the Secretary of Defense and get
1:15:18
Speaker 2: that HI status. The Secretary of Defense has to give
1:15:20
Speaker 2: you the HI status.
1:15:22
Speaker 1: This is going to sound crazy, but is there a
1:15:23
Speaker 1: particular protocol for dealing with the kind of cancer that
1:15:26
Speaker 1: you get from getting in contact with the UFO?
1:15:29
Speaker 2: The only thing that I know of I wouldn't call
1:15:32
Speaker 2: it a protocol, but I do know that there is
1:15:36
Speaker 2: a couple specific people, doctors who have become a part
1:15:41
Speaker 2: of the intelligence communities looking into this, and they've become
1:15:45
Speaker 2: the go to doctors for people having biological effects, and
1:15:50
Speaker 2: they if you have a relationship with them, if you
1:15:53
Speaker 2: can get to them, they show up pretty quickly and
1:15:56
Speaker 2: do the appropriate tests and documentation of it and have
1:15:59
Speaker 2: the doctors to send you to. Gary Nolan, who you interviewed,
1:16:05
Speaker 2: is one of those people.
1:16:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gary Nolan, who's done some groundbreaking research on cancer. Yeah. Gary,
1:16:13
Speaker 1: the other.
1:16:14
Speaker 2: Guy I shouldn't say his name, but he used to
1:16:19
Speaker 2: work for He used to work for one of the
1:16:22
Speaker 2: big intelligent agencies that's deeply involved in this.
1:16:28
Speaker 1: The other thing that Gary has that's really fascinating is
1:16:31
Speaker 1: the research on materials like some of the some of
1:16:36
Speaker 1: the allegedly retrieved materials from crash sites and how bizarre
1:16:41
Speaker 1: they are.
1:16:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, from studying the isotopes. But the stuff that Gary's
1:16:46
Speaker 2: gotten into that I find the most mindlin is he
1:16:48
Speaker 2: has real classified documentation of encounters that military and intelligence
1:16:57
Speaker 2: officials have had with you ap and biological effects has caused.
1:17:00
Speaker 2: Some of them are crazy, like a Department of Defense
1:17:04
Speaker 2: official who had a UAP above his house and went
1:17:08
Speaker 2: out in his backyard and looked up at it, and
1:17:10
Speaker 2: then the things zapped him with the directed energy weapon.
1:17:12
Speaker 2: And he has all of the medical signs of a
1:17:15
Speaker 2: directed energy attack. And this is a super senior, credible
1:17:18
Speaker 2: guy who had recently been made aware of the UAP
1:17:20
Speaker 2: issue and then he has this experience.
1:17:24
Speaker 1: Wow.
1:17:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty wild.
1:17:28
Speaker 1: So what are the effects of a direct energy weapon? Like,
1:17:30
Speaker 1: what's the what are the consequences?
1:17:33
Speaker 2: Cancer?
1:17:34
Speaker 1: That's what he's getting cancer?
1:17:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow.
1:17:37
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know about the Virginia, Brazil story. Do
1:17:40
Speaker 1: you know about the James doctor James. I'm excited to
1:17:42
Speaker 1: see James's Yeah, he's got a new one. Yeah. Yeah,
1:17:46
Speaker 1: he's got to follow up with I think it's the
1:17:48
Speaker 1: actual doctor. Yeah, that worked with the patient.
1:17:52
Speaker 2: So he was at the hospital that night and interacted
1:17:54
Speaker 2: with with the being.
1:17:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:17:56
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see that.
1:17:57
Speaker 1: So the story is that this police officer that they
1:18:01
Speaker 1: found this crash, and the documentary is excellent. If you
1:18:05
Speaker 1: haven't seen that, folks, it's called Moment of Contact. It's
1:18:07
Speaker 1: really good. And one of the things that is really
1:18:09
Speaker 1: good about it is the eyewitnesses when the eyewitnesses returned
1:18:12
Speaker 1: to the scene of the crime. I'm like, or excuse me,
1:18:14
Speaker 1: the scene of the crash. I was like, either that
1:18:17
Speaker 1: guy is an amazing actor or he's really crying because
1:18:21
Speaker 1: he's remembering this insane moment in his life.
1:18:24
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:18:24
Speaker 1: And there was eyewitnesses that saw a live one of
1:18:27
Speaker 1: these things, and this police officer found one that was injured,
1:18:32
Speaker 1: carried it, put it in the car, physically carried it.
1:18:35
Speaker 1: They brought it to hospital. That hospital told them, we
1:18:37
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with this. You got to
1:18:38
Speaker 1: take it somewhere else. They took it to a second hospital.
1:18:40
Speaker 1: And the second hospital, this is the doctor allegedly that
1:18:43
Speaker 1: examined it. That police officer had a horrific bacterial infection
1:18:48
Speaker 1: that they could not cure and he died within weeks.
1:18:51
Speaker 2: Tarble, Yeah, trble. There's there's so many examples of these
1:18:56
Speaker 2: interactions going bad. But it's also like, you know, imagine
1:19:01
Speaker 2: you didn't know what a fighter jet was and there
1:19:03
Speaker 2: was you know, and flame coming out of the back
1:19:05
Speaker 2: of it, and you walk behind it. You're gonna be toast.
1:19:07
Speaker 2: You know. It's not I don't think it's an intentional thing.
1:19:10
Speaker 2: I think it's we're interacting with the technology we don't understand,
1:19:14
Speaker 2: and you're.
1:19:14
Speaker 1: Getting too close to it, and we're getting too close
1:19:16
Speaker 1: to it. Don't go walk up to it. Yeah, if
1:19:18
Speaker 1: it's floating in the air, totally every means just got
1:19:20
Speaker 1: an insane amount of power that's carrying this fucking totally
1:19:23
Speaker 1: two thousand ton thing.
1:19:25
Speaker 2: The other crazy story that was in so James Fox's
1:19:29
Speaker 2: movie The Phenomenon, which you know he directed it. Yeah,
1:19:32
Speaker 2: he's totally responsible for me that movie. I was a
1:19:34
Speaker 2: producer on it with him, but it's all James. James
1:19:37
Speaker 2: one hundred percent made that movie. One of the coolest
1:19:40
Speaker 2: stories in that film was the aerial School Phenomenon story.
1:19:45
Speaker 2: At the end, these kids in Zimbabwe at a school
1:19:48
Speaker 2: and like I think it was eighty nine or ninety
1:19:50
Speaker 2: ninety one, something like that, it was ninety four around
1:19:53
Speaker 2: that time. These kids like between the ages of like
1:19:57
Speaker 2: seven and thirteen or something like that, they all saw
1:20:00
Speaker 2: this this craft come down during their recess and they
1:20:05
Speaker 2: all say they experienced the same thing. They all saw
1:20:07
Speaker 2: these beings that looked like they were moving in slow
1:20:11
Speaker 2: motion around the craft, and they saw this craft take
1:20:16
Speaker 2: off at thousands of miles an hour after years later,
1:20:18
Speaker 2: they're all saying the same thing. The stories didn't change,
1:20:21
Speaker 2: they didn't try to, like, you know, make money off
1:20:24
Speaker 2: this at all. It's a wild story. But now when
1:20:26
Speaker 2: you look back at that story through what guys like
1:20:28
Speaker 2: Cal and Eric are revealing about the warp bubble, do
1:20:33
Speaker 2: you know what would make someone look like they're moving
1:20:36
Speaker 2: slow if they were inside of a warp bubble next
1:20:39
Speaker 2: to the craft where time and space is moving differently
1:20:42
Speaker 2: than outside the craft. That's literally what it would do.
1:20:45
Speaker 2: For the same reasons why the craft could in the
1:20:47
Speaker 2: bubble could just be cruising along, but to us it
1:20:49
Speaker 2: looks like it's going at these impossible speeds. You're in
1:20:52
Speaker 2: a different spacetime environment. So all these things that people
1:20:56
Speaker 2: saw at Aerial you know in Brazil, they get they
1:21:02
Speaker 2: get explained by these reveals that are starting to come out now,
1:21:04
Speaker 2: and that's to me, that's wow. It's seeing how these
1:21:06
Speaker 2: things all connect, you.
1:21:07
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, it is crazy, and it's essentially this description
1:21:12
Speaker 1: of the way these propulsion systems work is essentially the
1:21:15
Speaker 1: exact same way Lazar was describing it. Yeah, which is
1:21:18
Speaker 1: really nuts that in nineteen eighty nine he was proposing
1:21:21
Speaker 1: that there's some sort of a gravity defying device, and
1:21:25
Speaker 1: that it was using element one point fifteen and then
1:21:28
Speaker 1: it was radiated and somehow I know this is creating
1:21:31
Speaker 1: this gravity drive that just sends it to wherever it
1:21:34
Speaker 1: wants to be, rather than propels it. The way you
1:21:37
Speaker 1: describe it is like if you took a bowling ball
1:21:40
Speaker 1: and you put it in a very soft cushion, it
1:21:42
Speaker 1: would just push through. And that that's what these things.
1:21:45
Speaker 1: It would just pushes through to wherever it's supposed to be.
1:21:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other explanation is like like a like a
1:21:53
Speaker 2: ball rolling downhill, like a like a surfboard pointed down
1:21:58
Speaker 2: riding a wave.
1:21:58
Speaker 1: When did they first start to become aware of underwater
1:22:01
Speaker 1: activity and when did they first start to suspect that
1:22:04
Speaker 1: these things were in fact having at least some sort
1:22:07
Speaker 1: of a base underneath the ocean.
1:22:09
Speaker 2: I don't know the exact first, but I do know
1:22:12
Speaker 2: from people I've talked to you that as far back
1:22:15
Speaker 2: as the eighties, wow, Yeah, which is incredible.
1:22:20
Speaker 1: Well, the crazy thing is that if they've they've really
1:22:22
Speaker 1: been studying this stuff and retrieving things like back from Roswell,
1:22:25
Speaker 1: which was forty seven, they've really been doing this stuff
1:22:27
Speaker 1: for that long. It's it's kind of crazy that they
1:22:33
Speaker 1: were able to actually keep a lid on it for
1:22:35
Speaker 1: so long.
1:22:36
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not that crazy when your life's being threatened.
1:22:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, like, and it's kind of got a lid
1:22:44
Speaker 1: on it, right, kind of, but not really.
1:22:46
Speaker 2: I mean there's been we all know about Roswell. Yeah,
1:22:49
Speaker 2: there's been people leaking over the years information. But I
1:22:52
Speaker 2: think now we're at a tipping point where, like, I
1:22:55
Speaker 2: really believe the release of this film is the singular
1:22:59
Speaker 2: tipping point where you have this many credible, high level
1:23:02
Speaker 2: people saying, yes, this is real. I mean even Clapper
1:23:05
Speaker 2: talking going on the record saying that UAP activity over
1:23:08
Speaker 2: Area fifty one is real, the biggest conspiracy globally, that
1:23:11
Speaker 2: there's UFOs over Area fifty one that ninety percent of
1:23:13
Speaker 2: humanity has written off as bullshit. Right, here's the guy
1:23:16
Speaker 2: who's Director of National Intelligence and head of Air Force
1:23:18
Speaker 2: Intelligence saying no, that's real. Like it's like, so, I
1:23:22
Speaker 2: think this tipping point. And Rubio going on the record,
1:23:24
Speaker 2: second most powerful guy in the world arguably saying that
1:23:26
Speaker 2: the presidents are kept out of loop on this and
1:23:28
Speaker 2: that defense contractors have taken this over and that even
1:23:32
Speaker 2: he even says that every now and then, advancements made
1:23:35
Speaker 2: get slipped into commercialized product that some defense contractors making
1:23:39
Speaker 2: a bunch of money on for their own best interest,
1:23:41
Speaker 2: not for the benefit of the nation and national security.
1:23:43
Speaker 2: Like these are bombs dropped at the most credible level possible.
1:23:46
Speaker 2: And I think that because we've had all the leaks
1:23:50
Speaker 2: over the years, it's going to resonate with people. People
1:23:52
Speaker 2: are like, oh shit, all those things that have been
1:23:55
Speaker 2: slipping out over the years, it's real, and these guys
1:23:57
Speaker 2: are validating it, and it'll be really interesting to see
1:23:59
Speaker 2: what's you know, what's on the other side of that.
1:24:01
Speaker 2: And the other wild thing, Joe, is when you go
1:24:03
Speaker 2: down the rabbit hole of the UAP topic with people
1:24:05
Speaker 2: in tuns commit a military, you start learning about adjacent things,
1:24:08
Speaker 2: you know, that are equally bonkers, like remote viewing, which
1:24:13
Speaker 2: you've talked a lot about, right, you know, I mean,
1:24:16
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a coincidence that Hal putoff, you know,
1:24:19
Speaker 2: with the guy who created Stargate and ran Stargate backed
1:24:22
Speaker 2: by the d D and the CIA, and also was
1:24:25
Speaker 2: deeply involved in the UAP topic for decades. You know,
1:24:29
Speaker 2: there's a lot of overlap, and the remote viewing topic
1:24:33
Speaker 2: is fascinating. Another one of those things where more you
1:24:35
Speaker 2: learn about and you're like, there is a there there,
1:24:36
Speaker 2: it's a real situation and it's extraordinary. Yeah, makes you
1:24:39
Speaker 2: think how much more is you know, hidden from us
1:24:42
Speaker 2: that we've.
1:24:42
Speaker 1: I definitely want to talk about that, but I want
1:24:44
Speaker 1: to ask you were there specifics when they talk about
1:24:47
Speaker 1: technology that was acquired that was then rolled into.
1:24:52
Speaker 2: No no one, no one, No one said it on
1:24:53
Speaker 2: the record.
1:24:54
Speaker 1: I was.
1:24:54
Speaker 2: I was shocked when when Rubio said that on camera,
1:24:58
Speaker 2: when he went there like clearly, clearly, clearly stating that.
1:25:02
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a word for word. I
1:25:04
Speaker 2: think he says and every now and then an advanced
1:25:07
Speaker 2: that gets made and gets commercialized and some companies making
1:25:09
Speaker 2: a ton of money on it for their own interesting.
1:25:10
Speaker 1: But is there any suspicions when you.
1:25:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've heard I've heard I've heard suspicions
1:25:15
Speaker 2: with what like you know, how it could has impacted Yeah,
1:25:19
Speaker 2: hypersonic missiles. I've heard things about, you know, early days
1:25:23
Speaker 2: of fiber optics. I've heard things about night vision. But
1:25:27
Speaker 2: you know, no one, no one would go on the
1:25:30
Speaker 2: record and say something definitive. The thing people were comfortable saying,
1:25:33
Speaker 2: and Rubia said, is that defense contractors have been in
1:25:37
Speaker 2: control of this over the decades. Congressional oversight has Congress
1:25:42
Speaker 2: has lost congressional oversight. And essentially, these programs are just moving,
1:25:46
Speaker 2: moving along and keeping it to themselves. And when you
1:25:49
Speaker 2: keep something yourself, it's easy to slip a way into
1:25:52
Speaker 2: your commercialized side of your business.
1:25:54
Speaker 1: You know, I would like to know what that is, though,
1:25:56
Speaker 1: to be really interesting.
1:25:58
Speaker 2: Do you know who knows? By the way, it's evenub Look,
1:26:00
Speaker 2: it might be something that they made right that isn't
1:26:04
Speaker 2: public that they're using. They get bigger contracts right in
1:26:08
Speaker 2: exchange for shutting up about it.
1:26:10
Speaker 1: A right of course, Why wouldn't you let's go deep
1:26:14
Speaker 1: put that fucking chin put chin foil hat on. Sure.
1:26:18
Speaker 1: Do you know about the conspiracy about Bell Laboratory in
1:26:21
Speaker 1: New Jersey?
1:26:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard, I've heard. I've heard a lot about that.
1:26:24
Speaker 1: Yea.
1:26:25
Speaker 2: The tinfoil hat thing is a good reminder that has
1:26:28
Speaker 2: been that. One of the things I learned is that
1:26:31
Speaker 2: the stigma around this was created by the people covering
1:26:34
Speaker 2: this up. So oh yeah, in the early fifties late forties,
1:26:37
Speaker 2: the CIA, when they took control of this, they were like,
1:26:39
Speaker 2: we got to make sure people don't ask about this.
1:26:41
Speaker 2: How do we do that. It's just a psycholog psychological operation,
1:26:44
Speaker 2: like make people think they're crazy, make people think they're
1:26:46
Speaker 2: a wacko, make tinfoil hat chokes, and then that gets,
1:26:49
Speaker 2: you know, built into our culture, and different generations grow
1:26:51
Speaker 2: up thinking, oh, you're not If you talk about this
1:26:55
Speaker 2: and be embarrassing, you have your career ruined. And now
1:26:57
Speaker 2: here we are, we're like, you know, people giggle when
1:27:00
Speaker 2: you bring up this serious issue right and till yeah,
1:27:04
Speaker 2: and it's been used against people inside a government. So
1:27:07
Speaker 2: here's here's a good story.
1:27:09
Speaker 1: This is uh.
1:27:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just tell you so. Jay Stratton told me
1:27:14
Speaker 2: about an event that happened on the military base that
1:27:16
Speaker 2: is Top Gun, the Top Gun base, where a craft
1:27:20
Speaker 2: came down I don't know the exactly how high, exactly
1:27:23
Speaker 2: how high it was, whether it was in the air
1:27:25
Speaker 2: or in space, but came down from very high, dropped
1:27:28
Speaker 2: to above the tarmac in front of the base commander
1:27:30
Speaker 2: and his number two, and they documented it with video recording.
1:27:36
Speaker 2: And this is when Jay was running the up task force,
1:27:38
Speaker 2: and they reached out to him and saying they wanted
1:27:39
Speaker 2: to report this, and Jay went. Jay went and talked
1:27:42
Speaker 2: to them in person, and they were going to do
1:27:45
Speaker 2: These are super senior guys that were going to do
1:27:47
Speaker 2: an official, on the record testimony about what they saw
1:27:51
Speaker 2: with their own eyes. And Jay told a senior guy
1:27:55
Speaker 2: Naval intelligence who he thought was on the right side
1:27:59
Speaker 2: of history. And before these guys could come in and testify,
1:28:04
Speaker 2: the naval intellien official who was actually part of the
1:28:07
Speaker 2: cover up sent these guys tinfoil hats and told them
1:28:11
Speaker 2: that's what they'd be wearing the rest of their lives
1:28:12
Speaker 2: if they spoke up. Wow, And the guys reached out
1:28:16
Speaker 2: to Jay and said, we're not providing the evidence that
1:28:19
Speaker 2: we're not gonna talk about this. Let's pretend it never happened. So,
1:28:23
Speaker 2: you know, that kind of stuff really holds back because
1:28:27
Speaker 2: it's very easy to deter a military. Somebody's put their
1:28:30
Speaker 2: devote their whole life to them to climbing the ladder
1:28:32
Speaker 2: in the military. Yeah, and you're going to tell them
1:28:35
Speaker 2: that you could just end their career path in an instant.
1:28:39
Speaker 2: Why would they keep coming forward?
1:28:40
Speaker 1: Yeah? Why would they makes no sense? I wouldn't. I
1:28:43
Speaker 1: chut my fucking mouth and maybe tell Jesse Michaels ten
1:28:45
Speaker 1: years later. That's what a lot of these guys wind
1:28:50
Speaker 1: up doing. They retire and then they start talking.
1:28:53
Speaker 2: I do think that we're going to see more people
1:28:55
Speaker 2: come out. I really, I've already started. I've I've started
1:28:59
Speaker 2: receiving since the t Railers have been out there, I've
1:29:00
Speaker 2: started receiving incoming dms on social media sites from super
1:29:06
Speaker 2: senior people, where like I look up who they are
1:29:08
Speaker 2: and I'm like, holy shit, you know, and they're like, hey,
1:29:10
Speaker 2: we should talk in person. Sometimes there's some things I
1:29:12
Speaker 2: want to share, and I don't know what's going to
1:29:14
Speaker 2: come out of that. I haven't. I haven't done those
1:29:17
Speaker 2: those those meetings yet. But I imagine people are going
1:29:20
Speaker 2: to come out of the woodwork because this stuff is
1:29:21
Speaker 2: real and it's been hidden so much. And I know
1:29:25
Speaker 2: there's some big people coming out next year. Stratton's book
1:29:28
Speaker 2: is going to be a big thing too. I've I've
1:29:30
Speaker 2: actually i've been I've been working with him on it,
1:29:32
Speaker 2: developing his book, and it's going to come out in
1:29:34
Speaker 2: the spring. HarperCollins is publishing it, and it's it's fucking bombshell.
1:29:39
Speaker 2: It's bonkers. Wow, so much detail. One of the other
1:29:42
Speaker 2: things that I didn't include in the film, Joe, that's
1:29:47
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's bonkers to think about all
1:29:50
Speaker 2: of the intelligence officials who actually investigated this for the government,
1:29:55
Speaker 2: like the people involved in ASAP and a TIP and
1:29:58
Speaker 2: UAP task Force. They all started having activity at their
1:30:02
Speaker 2: homes when they were investigating non human intelligent life and
1:30:06
Speaker 2: the orbs in their houses orbes interacting with their family
1:30:11
Speaker 2: causing medical issues for family members ending up in the
1:30:14
Speaker 2: family members ending up in the hospital due to ORB.
1:30:16
Speaker 1: Activity, Like what issues activity.
1:30:21
Speaker 2: One of the senior and SOEL officials that I spoke to,
1:30:23
Speaker 2: and I'll let him tell his own story when he's ready,
1:30:26
Speaker 2: but it's Sun got extremely impacted by an ORB black
1:30:32
Speaker 2: and blue over his whole body. Had to go to
1:30:34
Speaker 2: the hospital. Looked looked like someone took a bat to
1:30:37
Speaker 2: his chest. I didn't include this in the film, this
1:30:43
Speaker 2: section because I feel like when you get into the
1:30:47
Speaker 2: stuff happening in people's houses, I think it's a bridge
1:30:50
Speaker 2: too far for a lot of people, and you got
1:30:52
Speaker 2: to like set the table with the base fact first,
1:30:54
Speaker 2: which is what my film does, and then they can
1:30:56
Speaker 2: open their minds to these other things. But while I
1:31:00
Speaker 2: found really interesting is when I would do these interviews
1:31:02
Speaker 2: with people and they would all talk about this activity
1:31:03
Speaker 2: they started having at their houses that in some cases
1:31:06
Speaker 2: cause medical issues. It was all after they started looking
1:31:09
Speaker 2: into non human intelligent life. And their takeaway was that
1:31:13
Speaker 2: non human intelligent life was looking into them because they
1:31:15
Speaker 2: were looking into non human intelligent life. And they made
1:31:17
Speaker 2: the analogy of if a Russian spy comes to DC
1:31:20
Speaker 2: to spy on Congress, our intelligent community spies on the
1:31:22
Speaker 2: Russian spy, and so that was their outlook and I
1:31:25
Speaker 2: thought that was it was really interesting and almost implies
1:31:33
Speaker 2: like a human level of thinking, you.
1:31:35
Speaker 1: Know, or maybe some attempt to make contact. Yeah, there
1:31:39
Speaker 1: was a guy that I interviewed at Skinwalker Ranch who
1:31:42
Speaker 1: lived outside of the ranch who had an ORB experience.
1:31:46
Speaker 1: And I talked to a few people there that were
1:31:49
Speaker 1: clearly out of their fucking mind and maybe on meth,
1:31:51
Speaker 1: but a few people that seemed pretty credible. And this
1:31:55
Speaker 1: guy was the most just a regular guy with a
1:31:58
Speaker 1: regular job, interesting guy, cool to talk to. He said
1:32:03
Speaker 1: that he's had a few weird sightings, but the weirdest
1:32:07
Speaker 1: one was one day in his home, this orb that
1:32:11
Speaker 1: was like larger than a softball, he said, but he
1:32:15
Speaker 1: came flying into his house and was in the living
1:32:18
Speaker 1: room with him, and it was interacting with them, and
1:32:21
Speaker 1: then it flew down the hallway and flew right through
1:32:24
Speaker 1: the walls. Yeah, disappeared, but he said it interacted with him.
1:32:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it was.
1:32:28
Speaker 1: In front of him, like letting him know that it's there.
1:32:31
Speaker 2: Almost, some people say almost in a playful way.
1:32:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:32:34
Speaker 2: And I've heard about this orb of activity in intellens
1:32:38
Speaker 2: ficials houses like more times than I can remember, callous times.
1:32:42
Speaker 2: And the journey of this movie, I not only got
1:32:45
Speaker 2: to know a lot of these intelliens ficials very well,
1:32:47
Speaker 2: but like went and spend time with their wives, with
1:32:49
Speaker 2: their kids, with them together. And when you see like
1:32:52
Speaker 2: a wife completing a husband's sentence, like they're telling you
1:32:55
Speaker 2: what they experienced together, it's bonkers, man, It's wild. It's like,
1:32:58
Speaker 2: holy shit, this happened, you know. And then we when
1:33:00
Speaker 2: you hear their kids talk about it separately, and you're like,
1:33:02
Speaker 2: that's literally word for word, what like, you guys are
1:33:05
Speaker 2: all experienced the same thing. You have these different povs,
1:33:07
Speaker 2: it's not like the family got together with a coordinated
1:33:09
Speaker 2: Lie doesn't feel like that kids into doing it.
1:33:11
Speaker 1: That seems a little that.
1:33:13
Speaker 2: Seems a little over the top because to what end right,
1:33:15
Speaker 2: I didn't It's like I put it in the movie,
1:33:16
Speaker 2: you know, but it's it's it's really fascinating. And the
1:33:23
Speaker 2: orb activity, who knows what it is, man, it could
1:33:27
Speaker 2: be it could be another form of the warping of
1:33:31
Speaker 2: space time and localize area. Like once you do that,
1:33:36
Speaker 2: time and space is different in that bubble. So that
1:33:38
Speaker 2: could be a much bigger craft inside of an energy
1:33:41
Speaker 2: ball that we see. We might just might be what
1:33:43
Speaker 2: we see as the orb right, It might be a
1:33:45
Speaker 2: transportation device. There might be a being in there. And
1:33:48
Speaker 2: this is just what we're seeing, is what's on the
1:33:49
Speaker 2: outside of this warping of space time.
1:33:51
Speaker 1: Well, that's another thing that one of the eyewitnesses described
1:33:54
Speaker 1: that was very weird, was a craft that was small,
1:33:58
Speaker 1: but then when they got inside of it was a
1:34:00
Speaker 1: size of a football field.
1:34:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that also goes with the warping space time.
1:34:04
Speaker 2: So Pal says in the film, this was something was
1:34:07
Speaker 2: shocked at. Al said, I was really shocked. He says,
1:34:12
Speaker 2: the warping space time in the bubble explains a lot
1:34:15
Speaker 2: of things that at this point haven't made sense to us.
1:34:18
Speaker 2: And he says, like, for example, when a military serviceman
1:34:23
Speaker 2: goes onto a craft that looks like it's, you know,
1:34:25
Speaker 2: forty feet and when he goes inside it looks like
1:34:28
Speaker 2: it's a size of a football field. That makes sense
1:34:31
Speaker 2: now because from outside the bubble it's one thing, and
1:34:34
Speaker 2: inside the bubble it's something else. And that's wild. Yeah,
1:34:38
Speaker 2: and I've heard that story a number of times from
1:34:40
Speaker 2: people who have never talked to each other.
1:34:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like we have this very simple understanding of
1:34:47
Speaker 1: objects and of space and the ability to move around
1:34:51
Speaker 1: in them, and this kind of spectacular technology. I think
1:34:57
Speaker 1: we kind of have to think about it just like
1:34:59
Speaker 1: all other spectacles technology. Like you, if you were around
1:35:02
Speaker 1: the fourteen hundreds, you couldn't possibly imagine the concept of
1:35:05
Speaker 1: a nuclear bomb, it would be impossible, or nuclear energy,
1:35:08
Speaker 1: or even a cell phone. Now imagine new breakthroughs happen,
1:35:13
Speaker 1: and now this bubble gets created, and we start to
1:35:18
Speaker 1: figure out how to send things to places through these bubbles,
1:35:22
Speaker 1: and then we realize that what's happening in these bubbles
1:35:24
Speaker 1: is not what you see on the outside, that it's
1:35:27
Speaker 1: completely warping, which is also one of the weird questions
1:35:31
Speaker 1: like why are UFO so blurry?
1:35:33
Speaker 2: Well, that answers that question because you know, Hou says it,
1:35:36
Speaker 2: and I loved when you reveal this, because like, ah,
1:35:38
Speaker 2: that just checks the box. Makes sense. People have trouble
1:35:41
Speaker 2: taking photos of your ap because they're literally taking a
1:35:43
Speaker 2: photo through a space a space time bubble, basically the
1:35:47
Speaker 2: warping of space time. So the analogy would be like,
1:35:50
Speaker 2: you know, if you go under the ocean, you take
1:35:52
Speaker 2: a picture of a fish, you're going to get better visibility.
1:35:55
Speaker 2: You're in their domain, right, You're in their environment, right.
1:35:58
Speaker 2: But if you go above the oce, right, you're now
1:36:01
Speaker 2: in a different environment, and you try taking a photo
1:36:03
Speaker 2: from above the water, it's going to be all distorted
1:36:06
Speaker 2: and wacky looking because you're taking a photo through a
1:36:11
Speaker 2: barrier another environment. Right. It's the same basic logic like
1:36:15
Speaker 2: try taking a picture of koyfish from above the water.
1:36:17
Speaker 2: You can't do it, right. And so that's just the
1:36:21
Speaker 2: simplest answer, like that's what they're doing. They are warping
1:36:23
Speaker 2: space time and the localized area. They're creating a barrier
1:36:26
Speaker 2: between our environment and their environment, and when you try
1:36:28
Speaker 2: to take a photo through it, it's not great. It's
1:36:29
Speaker 2: also the reason why radar has trouble getting these things
1:36:33
Speaker 2: because the radar detector a radar detector. The way it
1:36:36
Speaker 2: works is radars admitted towards an object, it bounces back
1:36:40
Speaker 2: to the radar detector and that's how you track where
1:36:41
Speaker 2: it is. Right, But the radar is just going around
1:36:45
Speaker 2: the bubble and it's not going back to the radar
1:36:48
Speaker 2: detector because it's just going around the bubble. It's a
1:36:53
Speaker 2: different environment, right.
1:36:54
Speaker 1: And supposedly we can do that now.
1:36:57
Speaker 2: Well, the interview subjects clearly imply that some of the
1:37:02
Speaker 2: not implied. They state that some of the UAP were
1:37:04
Speaker 2: seeing might be our reverse engineer technology.
1:37:08
Speaker 1: Might be And is there is there any theories about
1:37:12
Speaker 1: other potential methods of propulsion rather than just this bubble?
1:37:17
Speaker 1: Is anything done in a more traditional way? Are the like?
1:37:20
Speaker 1: Is there levels of these things? Like? When it comes
1:37:23
Speaker 1: to the technological.
1:37:25
Speaker 2: Abilities there everyone I interviewed that was willing to talk
1:37:28
Speaker 2: about the technology was convinced this is what they were doing,
1:37:31
Speaker 2: that they're all doing and unifying and it was a
1:37:33
Speaker 2: unifying theory. It explains everything we've ever observed, like all
1:37:38
Speaker 2: the the the all the performance characteristics we've observed UAP.
1:37:43
Speaker 1: Displaying, and so the theory is that all of these
1:37:46
Speaker 1: advanced beings from wherever they're from, the various different species
1:37:50
Speaker 1: of them, that all of them have this particular type
1:37:53
Speaker 1: of technology.
1:37:55
Speaker 2: Yeah huh, which if hits the key it interstellar travel, then.
1:38:00
Speaker 1: Kind of makes sense. But it's like, are they all
1:38:03
Speaker 1: figuring out are they getting it from each other? Like
1:38:06
Speaker 1: is this just a natural pathway to curious, intelligent, innovative
1:38:10
Speaker 1: creatures that they ultimately eventually stumble upon this technology.
1:38:14
Speaker 2: Well, one of the things shared and shared that I
1:38:16
Speaker 2: found fascinating was this idea that some of the craft
1:38:20
Speaker 2: that we've recovered and Avisaro nations have recovered weren't crash crafts,
1:38:26
Speaker 2: and weren't crafts that they caused a crash. They were
1:38:28
Speaker 2: crafts that just appeared outside a military base, almost like
1:38:31
Speaker 2: a gift. Boska discusses them as donations, So gifts donations.
1:38:36
Speaker 2: But the thought if you, okay, so if you try
1:38:40
Speaker 2: to explain that, why would even do that? Maybe some
1:38:42
Speaker 2: more evan species is trying to help advance us and
1:38:45
Speaker 2: try to put a carrot on a stick. Yeah, maybe
1:38:47
Speaker 2: it's you know, survival the Fittest for the nations of Earth.
1:38:51
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it's a big IQ test. Who knows
1:38:53
Speaker 2: what it is. But that's an interesting scenario and seems
1:38:57
Speaker 2: intentional from whoever put it there.
1:39:00
Speaker 1: Well, it would make sense if they were trying to
1:39:02
Speaker 1: help that that would be like the least intrusive way
1:39:05
Speaker 1: instead of like coming down, hello, let me do this.
1:39:08
Speaker 1: Instead of doing that just like, hey, figure this out, stupid,
1:39:11
Speaker 1: Get all your brightest people and at the very least
1:39:13
Speaker 1: you'll figure something out. Yeah, And maybe that's what they're saying,
1:39:16
Speaker 1: that these things have gone into some sort of a
1:39:18
Speaker 1: commercial application that they figured. I just want to know
1:39:21
Speaker 1: what those things are because this was the thing that
1:39:23
Speaker 1: I was getting at with Bell Laboratory. So Bell Labs
1:39:29
Speaker 1: was this is the The conspiracy theory is that some
1:39:34
Speaker 1: of the material that was retrieved from Roswell was then
1:39:37
Speaker 1: transported to Bell Labs for some sort of a back
1:39:39
Speaker 1: engineering program, and that there was a reason why there
1:39:42
Speaker 1: was a military base right outside of Bell Labs. And
1:39:45
Speaker 1: the idea was that military base is supposed to be
1:39:47
Speaker 1: guarding New York City, but the New York City is
1:39:48
Speaker 1: like kind of far away, like you'd want to be
1:39:50
Speaker 1: a little closer if you're guarding New York City. And
1:39:53
Speaker 1: it's much more likely that it was actually just guarding
1:39:55
Speaker 1: this laboratory, and that there was a company called the
1:39:58
Speaker 1: American Computer Company. In the American Computer Company, Are they
1:40:02
Speaker 1: still around to see if they still have this page?
1:40:06
Speaker 1: So very wacky page. So they would just made they
1:40:12
Speaker 1: made made to order computers like you would call it up,
1:40:14
Speaker 1: I want to you know whatever, five gigahertz Intel processor,
1:40:19
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and they would do it all for you.
1:40:21
Speaker 1: I want a two terabied hard drive. They would the
1:40:23
Speaker 1: would set it all up for you and send it
1:40:25
Speaker 1: to you. And then they had a whole section of
1:40:27
Speaker 1: their website that was dedicated to back engineering technology from
1:40:31
Speaker 1: Bell Labs and how it all happened. And they were
1:40:34
Speaker 1: talking about the invention of fiber optics and also the
1:40:39
Speaker 1: transistor that these things had come specifically from the discoveries
1:40:44
Speaker 1: that they had made from the back engineering of a
1:40:47
Speaker 1: craft that was down at Roswell, Yeah, which was also,
1:40:51
Speaker 1: by the way, Roswell was the site of a lot
1:40:53
Speaker 1: of newclear testing.
1:40:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was told that you know, people say in
1:40:58
Speaker 2: the film that Roswell did in fact happened. There was
1:41:00
Speaker 2: a crash. Four non human bodies were in the craft
1:41:04
Speaker 2: and recovered, and the technology, the craft, materials, and the
1:41:08
Speaker 2: bodies were sent to right pat Air Force Base in Ohio,
1:41:11
Speaker 2: which is very close to Betel Right. And and then
1:41:20
Speaker 2: maybe that's the reason why Bellows is near a military base.
1:41:22
Speaker 2: Maybe it's more about proximity to a base that can
1:41:26
Speaker 2: have recovery teams quickly deployed, come back with materials and
1:41:31
Speaker 2: then get them to a facility close by without the
1:41:34
Speaker 2: need for you know, moving them across the country.
1:41:36
Speaker 1: And that would also, if it was true, would also
1:41:38
Speaker 1: be one of the first examples of this coordination between
1:41:41
Speaker 1: government and defense contractors, government and scientists that were commercially working. Yeah,
1:41:48
Speaker 1: and that they somehow or another arranged to get these
1:41:52
Speaker 1: brightest minds to Hey, what's this How does this work?
1:41:55
Speaker 1: Is that computer company still around?
1:42:01
Speaker 3: I was reading that.
1:42:03
Speaker 1: Another story about the bell Lab store.
1:42:05
Speaker 3: They'd say a letter letter from the guy that says
1:42:07
Speaker 3: he's the head of Americ computer company.
1:42:09
Speaker 1: What does he say?
1:42:10
Speaker 3: I just I just found it. As you asked the question,
1:42:14
Speaker 3: trying to see why this was relevant.
1:42:15
Speaker 1: This was like back I say it might have been
1:42:19
Speaker 1: like the nineties, late nineties or early two thousands when
1:42:23
Speaker 1: I first started going online and I found out about
1:42:25
Speaker 1: them because you know, I used to make my own
1:42:28
Speaker 1: computers back then, so I'd go and get a motherboard
1:42:30
Speaker 1: and hard driving, I'll do all that stuff. It was
1:42:32
Speaker 1: fun for gaming. It was really fun because you could
1:42:34
Speaker 1: like set it up with like powerful video cards and
1:42:37
Speaker 1: everything like that. But there was a bunch of companies
1:42:39
Speaker 1: that would sell like really high end, put together computer
1:42:43
Speaker 1: so you didn't have to go through all that work.
1:42:44
Speaker 1: And so I was just looking at companies that make
1:42:47
Speaker 1: computers made to order Windows computers, and I found them
1:42:50
Speaker 1: and I was like, what, what the fuck is this?
1:42:55
Speaker 1: Do they still have that up?
1:42:56
Speaker 3: That's wild? I that I don't know. I started to
1:42:59
Speaker 3: try to find it. I thought I found it.
1:43:01
Speaker 1: What about the wayback Machine?
1:43:04
Speaker 3: Well, this article that I found that says it's extracted
1:43:07
Speaker 3: from Nexus magazine nineteen ninety nine. You know the thing
1:43:12
Speaker 3: about when you think about what says every Verse engineer,
1:43:15
Speaker 3: it says everything you talked about. Yeah, very it's very long,
1:43:21
Speaker 3: it's all written, but it talks about the alien craft.
1:43:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so it said. So, now, not only do
1:43:27
Speaker 1: we have a picture of the alleged alien craft on
1:43:29
Speaker 1: our website talking about alien technologies being transferred to AT
1:43:34
Speaker 1: and T, but we're also in possession of a very
1:43:36
Speaker 1: high level, level five top secret security clearance Military facts
1:43:41
Speaker 1: is describing something called sky station.
1:43:47
Speaker 3: We try to be cute. We try to put up
1:43:48
Speaker 3: a picture. If you go to our website, it's still there.
1:43:50
Speaker 3: Here's our website. Bottom of the page is a nav
1:43:52
Speaker 3: bar pointer.
1:43:54
Speaker 1: Is that website still up? Click on? Let's see who
1:43:56
Speaker 1: we got here? The case somewhere? Dope, not exact, that's gone, son,
1:44:05
Speaker 1: it's a website, Yeah, but that's a bullshit website. That's
1:44:09
Speaker 1: not the American Computer company website, is it? No, that's
1:44:12
Speaker 1: just like American Priority payment systems. What is this?
1:44:16
Speaker 2: Who bought them? Do you know?
1:44:18
Speaker 1: Probably the fucking government?
1:44:20
Speaker 2: Man?
1:44:21
Speaker 3: But if this is talking about everything you just said.
1:44:23
Speaker 3: But although that's why I was trying to figure out
1:44:25
Speaker 3: where what this is, it's uh websites pretty sure, reverse
1:44:30
Speaker 3: engineering roswell UFO technology.
1:44:33
Speaker 1: Look this says here the symbol for the transistor is
1:44:36
Speaker 1: made up of three pieces positive positive and negative or
1:44:39
Speaker 1: negative negative and positive silicon dioxide doped with arsenic and
1:44:44
Speaker 1: boron in nineteen forty seven, now nineteen forty seven, doping
1:44:48
Speaker 1: things with boron was not easy. It required the sort
1:44:51
Speaker 1: of equipment that even Bell Labs in nineteen forty six
1:44:53
Speaker 1: did not possess. They they had this type of equipment
1:44:57
Speaker 1: at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories, but it would have taken thousands
1:45:01
Speaker 1: and thousands and thousands of man hours to invent the
1:45:04
Speaker 1: transistor if you look back at it historically, what AT
1:45:08
Speaker 1: and T was claiming was that one day this genius
1:45:10
Speaker 1: William Shockley working with a rectifier, he locked looked at
1:45:18
Speaker 1: it and noticed that it had unusual propensities, and there bingo,
1:45:22
Speaker 1: he invented the transistor. He figured it out right there.
1:45:25
Speaker 1: And to verify that, the two other geniuses that they
1:45:28
Speaker 1: got to help work with him on the transistor, doctor
1:45:31
Speaker 1: Barden and doctor Bratton Brettain Brettein both said, oh, yeah,
1:45:36
Speaker 1: I remember the guy by his name, by the name
1:45:39
Speaker 1: of the case, was allegedly talking about transistors in nineteen
1:45:43
Speaker 1: thirty one, and I knew back then we were going
1:45:45
Speaker 1: to have them. Said that is the history of the transistor.
1:45:49
Speaker 1: At AT and T prior to nineteen forty eight, other
1:45:52
Speaker 1: than claiming it was invented in December of nineteen forty
1:45:55
Speaker 1: seven by doctor Shockley, anybody believed that story. Me neither,
1:46:00
Speaker 1: And I knew because the administrative head of the transistor
1:46:03
Speaker 1: project was Jack Morton, the man at whose house I
1:46:08
Speaker 1: was staying to go to school and whose sons I
1:46:10
Speaker 1: was friends with, And he often commented on the fact
1:46:13
Speaker 1: that it was really a shame that those three idiots
1:46:16
Speaker 1: got responsibility for the transistor and he didn't. And I
1:46:19
Speaker 1: always wondered because he too didn't possess the scientific ability
1:46:24
Speaker 1: to develop the transistor. He was a brilliant man who
1:46:27
Speaker 1: had invented the radio broadcast vacuum tube, the closed space triode,
1:46:34
Speaker 1: but it appeared that he was brought in to head
1:46:36
Speaker 1: up the project to try to draw back the transistor
1:46:39
Speaker 1: in time to radio tubes and the image that Shockley
1:46:44
Speaker 1: Shockley talked about, and it was as if the whole
1:46:47
Speaker 1: thing was just a ploy, and he might as easily
1:46:51
Speaker 1: have been given responsibility and gotten the Nobel Prize as
1:46:55
Speaker 1: Bill Shockley. Professional jealousy, it says question Mark.
1:46:59
Speaker 2: Wow.
1:47:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's questions about the invention of the transistor.
1:47:03
Speaker 1: According to these guys. But it's also fiber optics, and
1:47:06
Speaker 1: it's the things that what they're saying is that these
1:47:09
Speaker 1: things kind of came out of nowhere.
1:47:10
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:47:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard not to line it up, you know. Yeah.
1:47:15
Speaker 1: And what certainly lines up time wise with the Roswell crash.
1:47:19
Speaker 2: And and and you know, the labs working on these
1:47:22
Speaker 2: things being close proximity to bases that are known for
1:47:26
Speaker 2: recoveries and reverse engineering around Roswell. The engineers, the Army
1:47:31
Speaker 2: Air Corps engineers that were based at right pat were
1:47:33
Speaker 2: literally the expert reverse engineers of the Army Air Corps.
1:47:37
Speaker 2: Like that's that's who was based there.
1:47:39
Speaker 1: That's so crazy.
1:47:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and people people forget it at the time it
1:47:42
Speaker 2: was the Army Air Corps at Roswell, you know.
1:47:43
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:47:44
Speaker 2: And the yeah, I mean, the the dots all line up.
1:47:47
Speaker 2: You know. The other thing to think about with with
1:47:49
Speaker 2: what technology has been cracked is just because we haven't
1:47:52
Speaker 2: seen it yet doesn't mean that he crack it. Like typically,
1:47:54
Speaker 2: you know, if you just look at like you know,
1:47:57
Speaker 2: aerospace like fighters and and stuff, you are black proud
1:48:00
Speaker 2: are like thirty years out, you know, so right, they
1:48:05
Speaker 2: might have come up with something truly extraordinary. Is it
1:48:08
Speaker 2: thirty years out ten people know about.
1:48:10
Speaker 1: You thinking about it in like nineteen ninety and two
1:48:12
Speaker 1: thousand times? Or is it thirty years out now? Because
1:48:15
Speaker 1: technology is obviously moving in an exponential pace, I mean
1:48:19
Speaker 1: it was still. Is it really still? Because thirty years
1:48:22
Speaker 1: from now, I feel like we have a digital God. Yeah. No,
1:48:24
Speaker 1: I can't believe that they're thirty years out.
1:48:26
Speaker 2: It's it's thirty for sure.
1:48:28
Speaker 1: Really.
1:48:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, And most multiple Intelli's officials have told me, even
1:48:31
Speaker 2: the people who are not dealing with the VP, they're
1:48:32
Speaker 2: just working at like Defense Intelligence Agency, they're like aerospace experts.
1:48:37
Speaker 2: They're looking at our they have to be aware of
1:48:39
Speaker 2: our black projects that are thirty years out and avatary Advatariyes,
1:48:43
Speaker 2: projects that are thirty years out. And I mean that
1:48:45
Speaker 2: stuff's wild. I talked to a very senior Intellis official
1:48:49
Speaker 2: who is in his eighties, who in the seventies mid
1:48:54
Speaker 2: seventies was working on quantum entanglement for the CIA.
1:48:58
Speaker 1: What.
1:48:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no one's heard about quantum tanglement I think
1:49:03
Speaker 2: until like fifteen years ago.
1:49:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how is he working on quantum entanglement?
1:49:07
Speaker 2: Didn't get in, didn't get into details that was. That
1:49:09
Speaker 2: was the headline I got. And it's a super serious guy,
1:49:12
Speaker 2: but that was the headline I got. He was doing
1:49:14
Speaker 2: he was doing fringe, fringe science work dealing with quantum entanglement.
1:49:18
Speaker 1: In CIA in the d D in the mid seventies,
1:49:21
Speaker 1: and quantum entanglement as for what under what end as
1:49:25
Speaker 1: a method of distribution of information unclear?
1:49:28
Speaker 2: Unclear. I wouldn't want to, you know, I wouldn't want
1:49:31
Speaker 2: to assume, but just that was the headline, and that's
1:49:34
Speaker 2: the it was said to me. In the context of
1:49:38
Speaker 2: when the public hears about something existing, it's it's long
1:49:42
Speaker 2: after it's existed in terms of black problems science, you know,
1:49:46
Speaker 2: and and so it just makes you think, like, you know,
1:49:49
Speaker 2: if things have come off the back of this technology,
1:49:51
Speaker 2: and some of it has been commercialized actually like put
1:49:54
Speaker 2: into like hypersonic missiles or whatever it is, transistor radio, whatever,
1:49:57
Speaker 2: what hasn't you know, what's just been kept in a box? Right,
1:50:02
Speaker 2: It's pretty wild to think about. But the reality is,
1:50:04
Speaker 2: I mean, all that leads me to just I really
1:50:07
Speaker 2: feel like if we get into this era of transparency
1:50:10
Speaker 2: and everyone knows it's real and all scientists know it's
1:50:13
Speaker 2: a valid air of inquiry and all the bright young
1:50:15
Speaker 2: minds out there, they're in high school of college right now,
1:50:16
Speaker 2: know this is something can put their brain power towards.
1:50:19
Speaker 2: It's so much amazing stuff could come out of it.
1:50:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, like think about the Space Race.
1:50:22
Speaker 2: Thirty five thousand inventions they say came out of the
1:50:24
Speaker 2: space Races, like.
1:50:25
Speaker 1: The crow and stuff. I think the fear would be
1:50:28
Speaker 1: that the openness would also lead to espionage, you know,
1:50:33
Speaker 1: because we already have a problem with that. We already
1:50:35
Speaker 1: have a problem with agents of the CCP that infiltrate
1:50:39
Speaker 1: technology companies and get busted, and it happens at universities.
1:50:44
Speaker 1: It's an issue, you know. And if it was open
1:50:47
Speaker 1: transparency and they were just bringing in all the brightest
1:50:49
Speaker 1: minds like you.
1:50:51
Speaker 2: Know, maybe, but maybe it's like the emnasty thing. Maybe
1:50:54
Speaker 2: it just needs to happen for the for the greater good.
1:50:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the question. Look, if they're both if both
1:50:59
Speaker 1: the United States and China are literally on the brink,
1:51:01
Speaker 1: maybe it's a conversation that needs to be had for
1:51:03
Speaker 1: the greater good of humanity. Yeah. You know that this
1:51:07
Speaker 1: this notion that we are the only intelligent life that
1:51:11
Speaker 1: we've so far observed in the universe is a lie,
1:51:14
Speaker 1: and that whether where they come from, whether they're interdimensional
1:51:17
Speaker 1: or whether they're interstellar, or whatever they are, there's something
1:51:21
Speaker 1: other than us that's more advanced than us. They can
1:51:24
Speaker 1: do things that we can't do, and that we've learned
1:51:27
Speaker 1: from them, and.
1:51:28
Speaker 2: In despite our differences, we have a lot of common
1:51:31
Speaker 2: situation and that we're all in it together.
1:51:33
Speaker 1: That's the Reagan speech. Yeah, yeah, that famous Reagan speech
1:51:36
Speaker 1: at the un.
1:51:37
Speaker 2: The two famous president's speeches that I now look through,
1:51:40
Speaker 2: I look at it completely different ways. Reagan's speech at
1:51:42
Speaker 2: the United Nations says, I often think, you know, in
1:51:45
Speaker 2: spite our differences, what will unite us is a threat
1:51:48
Speaker 2: from outside this planet. Yeah, you know, that brought us
1:51:50
Speaker 2: all together and remind us of our common bonds as humans,
1:51:53
Speaker 2: you know. But the other speech, well, first of all
1:51:55
Speaker 2: that one, why do you often think that wrong with Reagan? Right?
1:52:00
Speaker 2: Often thinking that it gave so many.
1:52:01
Speaker 1: People hope someone dorks like me, Yeah, that'd be really well.
1:52:05
Speaker 2: The other one is the Eisenhower speech about the Military
1:52:07
Speaker 2: Industrial complex. Yes, where he warned us, and he warned
1:52:11
Speaker 2: us at a time where we now know the Legacy
1:52:14
Speaker 2: Program was already getting very powerful and empowering defense contractors
1:52:19
Speaker 2: to reverse injury to this technology, and he warns, he
1:52:22
Speaker 2: says very very very clearly that the ability exists and
1:52:28
Speaker 2: will persist for unchecked power that would threaten our democratic
1:52:33
Speaker 2: process and get us. Basically's saying, well, gives a pleasure.
1:52:35
Speaker 2: The contractors are going to have more power than Congress.
1:52:37
Speaker 2: And here we are in twenty twenty five with leaders
1:52:39
Speaker 2: in Congress and our Secuary State is saying, that's literally
1:52:43
Speaker 2: what happened. That's literally the situation right now. The president
1:52:46
Speaker 2: is out of the mix, Congress is out of the mix,
1:52:48
Speaker 2: the people are of the mix, and military contractors, the
1:52:51
Speaker 2: military industrial complex is in control, has unchecked power and
1:52:56
Speaker 2: just waits out sitting presidents. It's wild to listen to
1:52:59
Speaker 2: his full speech through that context and know that that's
1:53:01
Speaker 2: what he was talking about, and it came to fruit.
1:53:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it's eighty years later we're like, oh,
1:53:06
Speaker 1: he's right. And the thing is that speech was he
1:53:10
Speaker 1: did that live on the air to the world, and
1:53:13
Speaker 1: people did really get a chance to watch it until
1:53:15
Speaker 1: the Internet, because most people you'd have to read about it,
1:53:19
Speaker 1: or you'd have to go somewhere and find some thirty
1:53:22
Speaker 1: five millimeters footage yea, and strap it onto a you know,
1:53:26
Speaker 1: projector and go watch him say that most people never
1:53:29
Speaker 1: saw it. You didn't see it until the Internet came around,
1:53:31
Speaker 1: and then people had encoded it and turn it into
1:53:33
Speaker 1: YouTube videos.
1:53:35
Speaker 2: Super powerful speech. There's a third way. I looked through
1:53:38
Speaker 2: a different lens now, which is not long before he
1:53:42
Speaker 2: was killed, Kennedy gave a speech about how secrecy is
1:53:45
Speaker 2: repundant in these secret societies. Yes, and he said, are
1:53:49
Speaker 2: repundant in a free society, and they challenge our democratic
1:53:52
Speaker 2: way of life, and we shouldn't allow it.
1:53:55
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, look where that got him.
1:53:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
1:54:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was literally taking on secret societies.
1:54:02
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:54:03
Speaker 1: I mean he wanted to disband the CIA. He wanted
1:54:06
Speaker 1: he had a lot of ideas.
1:54:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
1:54:08
Speaker 1: I look.
1:54:09
Speaker 2: I hope that people involved this, at like the CIA
1:54:13
Speaker 2: or at these defense contractors realize, like you said, they
1:54:16
Speaker 2: have a moment here to be the heroes of the story. Yes,
1:54:18
Speaker 2: and to spin it and just say, hey, we were
1:54:21
Speaker 2: taking on a job that no one else knew existed.
1:54:23
Speaker 2: We were doing the best we could. We thought we
1:54:25
Speaker 2: made good decisions. Like any war, there's casualties of war, right,
1:54:31
Speaker 2: But our intention was to do the best for the
1:54:33
Speaker 2: United States, and we want to come out and tell
1:54:37
Speaker 2: everyone what we've learned in a safe way where we
1:54:39
Speaker 2: can share some information, educate the base, you know, the
1:54:42
Speaker 2: public with the base facts, and then keep the rest
1:54:44
Speaker 2: classified for nation security reasons. They would these people would
1:54:46
Speaker 2: all just be you know, heroes, heroes, they go down
1:54:50
Speaker 2: in history. We would be stunned though, I mean the
1:54:52
Speaker 2: United States. I think if the full extent, if these
1:54:55
Speaker 2: people are telling the truth, the full extent of this
1:54:57
Speaker 2: cover up was ever revealed, we would probably be baffled,
1:55:01
Speaker 2: like whoa like they lied for so long, they covered
1:55:05
Speaker 2: up so much, And then there would be the anger
1:55:08
Speaker 2: at the misappropriation of funds and a lot of finger pointing.
1:55:11
Speaker 2: And then there would be the very real problem of
1:55:14
Speaker 2: defense contractors getting access to back engineered equipment where other
1:55:19
Speaker 2: defense contractors were not, so they would have an unfair
1:55:22
Speaker 2: advantage competitively. Yeah, I mean, look, a bunch of defense
1:55:25
Speaker 2: contractors went out of business over the years. You'd also
1:55:29
Speaker 2: have to, you know, look back at some of the
1:55:32
Speaker 2: older defense contractors that were give materials in the forties
1:55:34
Speaker 2: and fifties, and then got acquired.
1:55:36
Speaker 1: By a Locke or a north Rip.
1:55:38
Speaker 2: You know, Lucky and Northrop have bought all of the
1:55:40
Speaker 2: smaller defense contractors that have been involved with this over
1:55:43
Speaker 2: the years. Really yeah, yeah, a bunch of them.
1:55:46
Speaker 1: So those are the big ones, Yeah, Lockey.
1:55:48
Speaker 2: In, Northrop, raytheon, and so do you think they all
1:55:53
Speaker 2: have access? Yeah, elements of them. I mean you can't
1:55:57
Speaker 2: look at just like you can't look at the government
1:55:58
Speaker 2: as all one big entity. You can't look at like
1:56:00
Speaker 2: everybody Lucky Martin knows about human technology, right, but there
1:56:05
Speaker 2: are people that are that are in control of that situation.
1:56:08
Speaker 2: And this comes from multiple people I interviewed in my film.
1:56:13
Speaker 2: They all said the exact same names. Jeez, yeah, no,
1:56:17
Speaker 2: it's it's fascinating the how did you ever go down?
1:56:20
Speaker 2: How much of a rabbit hole have you gone down
1:56:22
Speaker 2: on the remote viewing stuff?
1:56:24
Speaker 1: I've gone down from a few rabbit holes. Yeah, It's
1:56:27
Speaker 1: fascinating what they have actually been able to do with it,
1:56:30
Speaker 1: the hall put Off story, but the crashed Soviet craft
1:56:34
Speaker 1: that they've found that this remote viewer guy found like
1:56:36
Speaker 1: within a three mile radius, located it exactly.
1:56:40
Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter put a statement out about it. Yeah, this
1:56:42
Speaker 2: audio Jimmy Carter telling that story. See if we can
1:56:45
Speaker 2: find that it's wild Man.
1:56:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll try to find that, because that is pretty crazy.
1:56:50
Speaker 2: The other the thing that I find the most fascinating,
1:56:52
Speaker 2: aside from just like it's real, is the connection with
1:56:57
Speaker 2: you AP and there are people who have had UAP
1:57:01
Speaker 2: encounters and then end up with these abilities to remote view,
1:57:05
Speaker 2: and that is that as well as like so it's
1:57:08
Speaker 2: a biological effect of an encounter. Yeah, there's a big
1:57:13
Speaker 2: book that I've been a part developing that's going to
1:57:16
Speaker 2: come out next year. It's a memoir. It's been publicized
1:57:20
Speaker 2: a little bit under a pseudonym. Scott Andrews is the name,
1:57:23
Speaker 2: but that's not his real name. He was an intelligence
1:57:26
Speaker 2: official who as a kid had an UAP encounter and
1:57:31
Speaker 2: then late in life had had a medical issue that
1:57:38
Speaker 2: no one could explain. And then they found that he
1:57:40
Speaker 2: had these like amiebas in his body that should have
1:57:43
Speaker 2: killed him, like there was no reason why he should
1:57:45
Speaker 2: be alive, and he had an immediate brain surgery. And
1:57:48
Speaker 2: after he had the brain surgery, when he was healing,
1:57:49
Speaker 2: certain memories started to come back, and all of a
1:57:52
Speaker 2: sudden he was able to remote view, and he didn't
1:57:55
Speaker 2: understand what he was doing. He talked to some other
1:57:57
Speaker 2: intellience officials who told him what you're doing is called
1:57:59
Speaker 2: remote viewing. People trained to do that. But he was
1:58:01
Speaker 2: doing it like he had done it before, like Jason Boord,
1:58:04
Speaker 2: like you know, these skills are coming back right. And
1:58:07
Speaker 2: around that time he found when he was healing he
1:58:11
Speaker 2: is out of the hospital, he found a locked file
1:58:13
Speaker 2: cabinet in his father's office his father passed away. In
1:58:16
Speaker 2: the cabinet was a bunch of files about his life,
1:58:19
Speaker 2: organized by the year, and amongst the files were his
1:58:23
Speaker 2: enlistment paperwork in the US Air Force as a child,
1:58:26
Speaker 2: like twelve or thirteen years old, which is not late,
1:58:29
Speaker 2: and then his honorable discharge at eighteen and the service
1:58:32
Speaker 2: code was Space Intelligence Communications and the base was the
1:58:36
Speaker 2: old Space Force Base, like straight up real documents. And
1:58:40
Speaker 2: then he went to his mother, who was still alive,
1:58:42
Speaker 2: said you knew anything about this? And she said, I
1:58:44
Speaker 2: don't know anything about it, but she's like, do you
1:58:46
Speaker 2: remember when you were a kid and you saw that
1:58:48
Speaker 2: UFO And he didn't really remember. If she starts jogging
1:58:50
Speaker 2: his memory, said you saw this UFO come out of
1:58:53
Speaker 2: this this lake and the Laker pond, and he's like,
1:58:57
Speaker 2: I do now, I do remember it. She's remember you
1:58:59
Speaker 2: ran home and told me and dad and and she said,
1:59:02
Speaker 2: all I know is the next day, like those men
1:59:03
Speaker 2: from the Air Force came to talk to you with
1:59:05
Speaker 2: your dad, and then I never heard anything else about it.
1:59:08
Speaker 2: And so where this story goes is unpacking this connection
1:59:13
Speaker 2: between UAP encounters and you know, whether some biological effects
1:59:17
Speaker 2: that are bad, there are some that are also, Like
1:59:20
Speaker 2: if you call it a gift, I don't know if
1:59:21
Speaker 2: you'd called a.
1:59:21
Speaker 1: Gift or a curse, but like unlocking your potential, Unlocking.
1:59:24
Speaker 2: Your potential is a great way to put it. And
1:59:26
Speaker 2: then the Air Force being the story also unveils how
1:59:30
Speaker 2: on top of it the Air Force is. So they
1:59:32
Speaker 2: went and recruited this young kid and his father to
1:59:35
Speaker 2: become part of a secret program where we still don't
1:59:38
Speaker 2: know exactly what he did, but he was used for
1:59:41
Speaker 2: this ability and the service code was Space Intelligence Communications.
1:59:46
Speaker 2: And it's a wild story. There's a lot more too.
1:59:47
Speaker 2: I could talk to about it for like four hours,
1:59:49
Speaker 2: but it's one of the most mind blowing stories ever.
1:59:53
Speaker 2: This specific person is extremely high ranking like his resume
1:59:57
Speaker 2: reads like a movie character. It's like it's bonkers. He's like, yeah,
2:00:03
Speaker 2: at one point he was running like I don't remember
2:00:07
Speaker 2: the exact title, but essentially he was like running counter
2:00:09
Speaker 2: terrorism for North America. It's like a really high level dude.
2:00:12
Speaker 2: And he ended up getting because of his stature in
2:00:20
Speaker 2: the Italians community. He ended up getting help from people
2:00:24
Speaker 2: in the Department Offense to piece together this hidden past
2:00:26
Speaker 2: he has. And he actually is in the process of
2:00:29
Speaker 2: getting approved for anonymous health injury status from the Secretary Defense.
2:00:33
Speaker 1: So this program that he was involved in as a child,
2:00:36
Speaker 1: does he have any recollection?
2:00:38
Speaker 2: No recollection. His wife was like a gumshoe detective about it.
2:00:43
Speaker 2: She starts calling. They see in the in the files
2:00:46
Speaker 2: there was records of days of school he missed excused
2:00:50
Speaker 2: absences for huge periods of time. I don't remember exactly
2:00:54
Speaker 2: whether it was weeks or months, but it was a
2:00:55
Speaker 2: huge periods of time. So his wife calls the school
2:00:57
Speaker 2: and starts digging and asks, you know, what was your
2:01:01
Speaker 2: policy back then, like would someone have had to repeat
2:01:04
Speaker 2: a grade if they missed this much time? And that
2:01:05
Speaker 2: they said absolutely, unless you had a really good reason
2:01:09
Speaker 2: or some sort of like like serious medical excuse, like
2:01:12
Speaker 2: you would have been held back. He was never held back.
2:01:15
Speaker 2: He has no memory of missing all these days of school.
2:01:17
Speaker 2: His friends that he grew up with don't remember it.
2:01:19
Speaker 2: But there's all this documentation.
2:01:21
Speaker 1: His friends don't remember him not being in school.
2:01:23
Speaker 2: No, they inquired, Yeah, totally weird, totally word totally weird.
2:01:30
Speaker 1: So has he undergone hypnotic regression?
2:01:33
Speaker 2: He hasn't done that. He's been dealing with a lot
2:01:35
Speaker 2: of serious medical issues, like very serious, like almost almost
2:01:39
Speaker 2: dying multiple times from a lot of these there were
2:01:45
Speaker 2: correct word, by the way, his parasites, I think I
2:01:46
Speaker 2: said to me this parasites. He had parasites in his
2:01:49
Speaker 2: body that almost killed him multiple times.
2:01:51
Speaker 1: What kind of parasites?
2:01:53
Speaker 2: There were seven different parasites that he and his doctors said,
2:01:57
Speaker 2: his doctor told him would have killed him within a month.
2:01:59
Speaker 2: That I'm for the exact names. I wouldn't pretend to
2:02:02
Speaker 2: be a medical scientist or anything. Now.
2:02:04
Speaker 1: Does he have any suspicions as to how he acquired
2:02:06
Speaker 1: these parents?
2:02:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, he thinks that whatever program he was involved with
2:02:09
Speaker 2: did did bizarre experiments. That's what he thinks. And he
2:02:14
Speaker 2: thinks that he was supposed to not remember any of this,
2:02:17
Speaker 2: and when the parasite issues caused brain surgery, the memories
2:02:22
Speaker 2: came back. Yeah, and he there's a lot more to
2:02:25
Speaker 2: the story after he after he started socializing what he
2:02:28
Speaker 2: was experiencing. There were multiple attempts on his life that
2:02:33
Speaker 2: have been documented and investigated by real intelligence agencies. He's
2:02:37
Speaker 2: like a serious dude, and he's he's doing his tell
2:02:40
Speaker 2: All memoir. It's a it's a really great book. It's
2:02:45
Speaker 2: almost done and Simon Schuscher is gonna publish it next year.
2:02:48
Speaker 1: So there's multiple attempts on his life because of which, asked,
2:02:52
Speaker 1: does he have an understanding like was he threatened?
2:02:55
Speaker 2: He thinks it's because what he was involved with was
2:02:57
Speaker 2: supposed to stay in the past. He wasn't supposed to.
2:02:59
Speaker 1: Remember when he as a child wants so they want
2:03:01
Speaker 1: to kill him something that make it even more suspicious.
2:03:05
Speaker 2: Well, depends on how Yeah, no, probably not.
2:03:07
Speaker 1: Probably not because they could just get away with it. Yeah,
2:03:09
Speaker 1: what kind of attempts on his life?
2:03:12
Speaker 2: Directed energy weapons? Well yeah, yeah, Now the guy was
2:03:19
Speaker 2: having the actual symptoms of a directed energy weapon attack
2:03:23
Speaker 2: and he knew what those circumstances were from his You
2:03:26
Speaker 2: know from his career, he knew these were symptoms of that,
2:03:30
Speaker 2: and they a proper investigation was done by real authorities,
2:03:33
Speaker 2: and they found evidence of it, like etching in the windows.
2:03:36
Speaker 1: And etching in the windows.
2:03:39
Speaker 2: A direct energy weapon goes through glass causes etching in
2:03:41
Speaker 2: the windows.
2:03:43
Speaker 1: So they literally physically targeting him with something from a
2:03:46
Speaker 1: drone from space who who knows?
2:03:48
Speaker 2: I mean, that's these are like the list of questions
2:03:50
Speaker 2: that this story.
2:03:51
Speaker 1: So the idea is like, let's just give this guy
2:03:53
Speaker 1: cancer or just nuke him and take him out.
2:03:57
Speaker 2: That's what it seems.
2:03:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's talking too much about this program.
2:04:00
Speaker 2: That's what it seems.
2:04:00
Speaker 1: And then if it comes out, were fucked.
2:04:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it's saying.
2:04:03
Speaker 1: Because is probably what they did is highly illegal, especially
2:04:06
Speaker 1: if they did it to a child.
2:04:07
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you can legally enlist in the
2:04:10
Speaker 2: military when you're at you know, thirteen.
2:04:13
Speaker 1: He probably wasn't the only one. Yeah, yeah, and so
2:04:16
Speaker 1: if they do have to erase memory.
2:04:21
Speaker 2: That's what it was seeming, which also lines up with
2:04:23
Speaker 2: you know, I talked to one of the stories I
2:04:25
Speaker 2: left out of the film. I talked to the base
2:04:28
Speaker 2: commander from Rendelsham, the US joint us UK base in
2:04:33
Speaker 2: the UK where there was a huge UAP event in
2:04:36
Speaker 2: the eighties, and the base commander told me on the
2:04:39
Speaker 2: record on camera that the day after the event, an
2:04:42
Speaker 2: airplane landed. People from the CIA and Air Force Intelligence
2:04:47
Speaker 2: showed up with authority and demanded to speak to the witnesses,
2:04:52
Speaker 2: and the base commander was told to leave the room.
2:04:54
Speaker 2: He didn't know until years later that all those servicemen
2:04:58
Speaker 2: that experienced this, they were all old to share the
2:05:02
Speaker 2: details and they were given a drug I think it
2:05:04
Speaker 2: was called. It is this cruct sodium pentheon. Is that
2:05:06
Speaker 2: how you say it? Yes, that's the truth, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
2:05:11
Speaker 2: And they were given that to to share what they
2:05:14
Speaker 2: what they experienced, and then they were all asked if
2:05:17
Speaker 2: they had ever been hypnotized, and someone was there who
2:05:20
Speaker 2: hypnotized them. As crazy as that sounds, wow, this is
2:05:27
Speaker 2: the base commander telling me this on camera to my face.
2:05:32
Speaker 2: He also said they took away something and creates the
2:05:34
Speaker 2: next day on this airplane and he never got clarity
2:05:37
Speaker 2: on what it was. He And the third thing that
2:05:39
Speaker 2: he revealed that I don't think anyone's ever talked about
2:05:41
Speaker 2: with randalstump Is. He revealed that the day after the
2:05:43
Speaker 2: bait the event, he went and talked to the people
2:05:46
Speaker 2: in the communications room, you know, the old school, like
2:05:47
Speaker 2: wires in the wall stuff, and the head of the
2:05:51
Speaker 2: communications on the base told him that the entire night
2:05:54
Speaker 2: of the event, while he was out in the woods
2:05:55
Speaker 2: dealing with the event, the whole base was on communication lockdown.
2:06:01
Speaker 2: All lines were shut down except the direct line between
2:06:03
Speaker 2: the base and the White House, which it's called I believe,
2:06:06
Speaker 2: I believe. I don't want to mess this up, but
2:06:08
Speaker 2: I believe it's called flash override, which is only used
2:06:11
Speaker 2: for nuclear war or imminent threat of nuclear war, so
2:06:17
Speaker 2: like the most extreme circumstances where you need a direct
2:06:19
Speaker 2: line between the base and the president. WHOA, Yeah, It's
2:06:23
Speaker 2: one of the unfortunate things I had to cut for time.
2:06:25
Speaker 2: The hardest thing I'm making this movie. Man, was my
2:06:27
Speaker 2: director's cut for like four hours, and I had to
2:06:28
Speaker 2: get this down. I had to get this down as
2:06:30
Speaker 2: something that was like consumable.
2:06:31
Speaker 1: Did you ever think about making it like a like
2:06:34
Speaker 1: a Netflix thing, we're multipiece? I did.
2:06:36
Speaker 2: I did think about it.
2:06:37
Speaker 1: What about a director's cut? Would you ever do?
2:06:39
Speaker 2: Probably I'll think about doing that, or maybe let's do
2:06:41
Speaker 2: a sequel. Maybe let's do a follow up and put
2:06:43
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that like is like a bridge
2:06:45
Speaker 2: too far into the next thing.
2:06:46
Speaker 1: On's m once the table's been That sounds good. You know,
2:06:49
Speaker 1: this was the question I was going to get to
2:06:50
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, you've worked on legitimate films. Yeah, like
2:06:53
Speaker 1: not that this isn't legitimate, but you worked on some
2:06:55
Speaker 1: like big blockbuster Hollywood films and then Ready Player one
2:06:59
Speaker 1: amazing film. I love the movie. Are you locked into
2:07:02
Speaker 1: this kind of ship now? Because here's the problem that
2:07:04
Speaker 1: happens when people start going down this rabbit hole. It
2:07:07
Speaker 1: kind of consumes though.
2:07:09
Speaker 2: Look, it's definitely it's definitely been a consuming endeavor this movie.
2:07:12
Speaker 2: I mean, this thing is consumed my life for four years,
2:07:14
Speaker 2: and I had to you know, it's a whole nother conversation,
2:07:16
Speaker 2: but I had to make this movie in secrecy because
2:07:19
Speaker 2: at the offset, when I started getting real Intel specials
2:07:21
Speaker 2: to lean in, they told me to my face, They're like, you,
2:07:25
Speaker 2: it's not in your best interest to promote the fact
2:07:27
Speaker 2: you're doing this. Don't announce people doing it, don't let
2:07:29
Speaker 2: the world know about it until you put a trailer out.
2:07:31
Speaker 2: You know there's gonna be people who are going to
2:07:32
Speaker 2: try to cause problem for you, So I had to
2:07:34
Speaker 2: make this in secrecy. I ended up doing posts out
2:07:36
Speaker 2: of my house, which my fiance is a Saint. Ali
2:07:40
Speaker 2: fine scene is a saint for putting up with that.
2:07:44
Speaker 1: Did you have a crew at your house? Yeah, it
2:07:46
Speaker 1: was you had to do it on the sneak.
2:07:48
Speaker 2: All consuming and and yes, this this topic is a
2:07:52
Speaker 2: rabbit hole you become consumed with. I Look, I'm still
2:07:54
Speaker 2: gonna do movies and TV shows that have nothing to
2:07:57
Speaker 2: do with you AP for sure, And I'm developing and
2:08:00
Speaker 2: I and I and I and I think I'll probably
2:08:02
Speaker 2: make some next year. But at the same time, I
2:08:05
Speaker 2: want to do more in this space and these adjacent
2:08:08
Speaker 2: spaces like I'm doing, like I mentioned Jay Stratton's book,
2:08:11
Speaker 2: I'm working really hard on. I'm also going to develop
2:08:14
Speaker 2: a series based on Jay Stratton's life, which is this
2:08:16
Speaker 2: remarkable sixteen year rabbit hole of investigating non human intelligent
2:08:19
Speaker 2: life and UAP for the US government. I'm working with
2:08:23
Speaker 2: some other people that are in my film on their
2:08:25
Speaker 2: life stories and then the book I just told you
2:08:28
Speaker 2: about that crazy remote viewing story. Yeah, I'm developing a
2:08:32
Speaker 2: movie about that.
2:08:34
Speaker 1: Oh like a fiction, like a dramatization.
2:08:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, like picture like the vibe of the insider, the
2:08:38
Speaker 2: Russell Crowe, but with that story. Oh like that kind
2:08:43
Speaker 2: of vibe.
2:08:43
Speaker 1: I want to play that guy. Do you got so
2:08:45
Speaker 1: many minds?
2:08:45
Speaker 2: I have a few people in mind. I don't want
2:08:48
Speaker 2: to stay too soon. There's a few people in the Crow.
2:08:51
Speaker 2: Russell Crow be amazing for it. And he's really into topic.
2:08:54
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he really yeah, and he's only interested in
2:08:58
Speaker 1: doing interesting things now.
2:09:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, he's got all the money in
2:09:01
Speaker 2: the world. He'd be amazing for it. There's a lot
2:09:05
Speaker 2: of good ideas for that one. But I do want
2:09:07
Speaker 2: to I do want to still do you know, stuff
2:09:09
Speaker 2: outside this topic? For sure. I'm really fascinated with the
2:09:12
Speaker 2: remote viewing topic. I think I have a desire to
2:09:15
Speaker 2: do in the same way that the Age Disclosure is
2:09:18
Speaker 2: the definitive doc on what we now know that can
2:09:21
Speaker 2: be lea lawfully disclosed about UAP and non humantogial life.
2:09:25
Speaker 2: I really want to try to endeavor to do that
2:09:27
Speaker 2: version of the remote viewing story. That would be like
2:09:29
Speaker 2: the super credible nonsensational It's got. I mean, it's got
2:09:33
Speaker 2: the coolest setup for here. Here's the setup for this thing.
2:09:36
Speaker 2: So help. Udov's working for the CIA and the DD
2:09:40
Speaker 2: in the mid seventies. He's doing some spooky stuff, fringe
2:09:44
Speaker 2: science work. His CIA handler, who's his best friend and
2:09:50
Speaker 2: was in his wedding party comes into his office, knocks
2:09:53
Speaker 2: on the door and says, we've got a problem we
2:09:55
Speaker 2: need to help with. He says, what is it? He says,
2:09:58
Speaker 2: our operators have found out that the Russians have a
2:10:01
Speaker 2: program that they're ten years into where they have rounded
2:10:04
Speaker 2: up the best psychics in Russia and they've trained them
2:10:08
Speaker 2: to use their psychic abilities to spy on American basis
2:10:11
Speaker 2: and our most secure facilities, and they're getting actionable intel.
2:10:16
Speaker 2: How's of course, like, holy shit, that's the craziest thing
2:10:18
Speaker 2: I've ever heard, right, And the CIA guy says, yes,
2:10:22
Speaker 2: you've got a blank check book from the CIA and
2:10:24
Speaker 2: the DODA. You've got X amount of time to catch
2:10:27
Speaker 2: up on their tenure program. We've got to beat them.
2:10:30
Speaker 2: He that has to figure out like how to go
2:10:33
Speaker 2: about finding people have these abilities, because it's not like Russia.
2:10:35
Speaker 2: We just go round up a bunch of people and say,
2:10:36
Speaker 2: you're gonna do this right. So he comes up with
2:10:38
Speaker 2: a clever system to bake into Army basic training testing
2:10:44
Speaker 2: that can identify people with these skill sets and then
2:10:46
Speaker 2: you can pluck them up and have them come work
2:10:48
Speaker 2: with the program. You can help them sharpen their skill sets,
2:10:51
Speaker 2: and you can train them to become remote viewers. To me,
2:10:53
Speaker 2: that like that scene, it's like it's like the Indiana
2:10:55
Speaker 2: Jones scene where where the CIA comes in Dania Jones
2:10:58
Speaker 2: and says, you know, what do you know about the
2:10:59
Speaker 2: arc of the Oh my god, and we've got the
2:11:03
Speaker 2: situation we need your help with. You know, it's wild, man,
2:11:06
Speaker 2: It's like the craziest setup of all time, and it's fascinating.
2:11:09
Speaker 2: And then the fact that they started getting real actionable
2:11:12
Speaker 2: intelligence that they were acting on, like the CIA was
2:11:15
Speaker 2: running missions based on his intel. One day when I shop,
2:11:19
Speaker 2: I did so many interviews with how but one day,
2:11:21
Speaker 2: when we finished talking about the UAP topic, I had
2:11:25
Speaker 2: intentionally scheduled a few extra hours and I was like,
2:11:27
Speaker 2: all right, hell, let's talk about Stargate. And I grabbed
2:11:30
Speaker 2: like three hours of the entire Stargate story and it's
2:11:33
Speaker 2: fucking mind blowing and all the specific like little stories
2:11:37
Speaker 2: of action that were taken based on their intel. It
2:11:40
Speaker 2: is so wild and so compelling. And then when Stargate
2:11:44
Speaker 2: at the time, starget was a deeply hidden program, extremely secret,
2:11:48
Speaker 2: highly classified. There was some leak I think that happened
2:11:50
Speaker 2: in the nineties where people heard about it, and then
2:11:53
Speaker 2: essentially the government said, oh, it's not real, it didn't work.
2:11:56
Speaker 2: It was the thing we tried, you know. And all
2:11:58
Speaker 2: they did is they just moved it to another agency.
2:12:02
Speaker 2: As far as I've had, so many people tell me
2:12:05
Speaker 2: of their awareness of active remote viewing programs.
2:12:07
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, but you tried to do it.
2:12:10
Speaker 2: I have not tried to do it?
2:12:11
Speaker 1: Why not?
2:12:12
Speaker 2: But I did. What I did try was someone remote
2:12:17
Speaker 2: viewing me in a specific place where I was and
2:12:22
Speaker 2: they sent me a picture that they sketched out. That
2:12:25
Speaker 2: gave me fucking hills because they described exactly where I
2:12:28
Speaker 2: was standing when I was talking to them. And I
2:12:30
Speaker 2: don't think they had cameras in my house, which is
2:12:32
Speaker 2: the obvious question, right. Oh, pretty wild. And I've and
2:12:35
Speaker 2: there's others. There's other stories that I've heard from Intelldens
2:12:37
Speaker 2: officials that I I've gotten close with because of the
2:12:40
Speaker 2: UAP topic. People who became aware of the remote viewing
2:12:43
Speaker 2: situation and would tell me these just like little angel
2:12:46
Speaker 2: old stories, like there was a there was a here,
2:12:51
Speaker 2: here's like a specific there was a there was a
2:12:53
Speaker 2: pen drive like a little, you know, little little drive
2:12:55
Speaker 2: with some data on it that had some UAP dad
2:12:57
Speaker 2: on it that Intelton's official literally dropped well hiking out
2:13:02
Speaker 2: of their pocket. It was in their pocket. Andy dropped it,
2:13:05
Speaker 2: and they used the remote viewer to help them find it,
2:13:07
Speaker 2: told them exactly where it was. They went and found it.
2:13:09
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. But then
2:13:13
Speaker 2: you go and you listen to this clip of Jimmy
2:13:14
Speaker 2: Carter talking about how remote viewers were used to find
2:13:17
Speaker 2: this down airplane, and you're like, this guy was president
2:13:19
Speaker 2: of the United States.
2:13:20
Speaker 3: Definitely found a transcript in an article, but I think
2:13:22
Speaker 3: this is audio and I hadn't been able.
2:13:24
Speaker 4: To check it.
2:13:24
Speaker 2: There is a documentary. I tried to find the documentary,
2:13:28
Speaker 2: and there's a documentary called Third Eye Spy that has
2:13:30
Speaker 2: it as the opening.
2:13:31
Speaker 4: It's they described it differently and inexplicable. The event that
2:13:36
Speaker 4: has been discussed publicly is at one time we had
2:13:40
Speaker 4: a small plane go down somewhere in Africa. We needed
2:13:44
Speaker 4: very much to find out where that plane had crashed,
2:13:47
Speaker 4: and we were not able to find it buy surveillance
2:13:52
Speaker 4: from our satellites. So the director of the CIA, who
2:13:57
Speaker 4: was also director of all the intelligence ages, heard about
2:14:01
Speaker 4: a a woman in California that was a medium, and
2:14:07
Speaker 4: he contacted her and she gave him the latitude and
2:14:14
Speaker 4: longitude of the planes whereabouts, And the next time one
2:14:19
Speaker 4: of our space satellites went over that area relocated the
2:14:23
Speaker 4: plane where she said it was.
2:14:26
Speaker 2: By the way, that's not even the one I was
2:14:27
Speaker 2: thinking of. He says it about a different thing, about
2:14:29
Speaker 2: a plane with that and I think it was Russia.
2:14:31
Speaker 2: And he specifically says, we went to the REMOT viewing
2:14:33
Speaker 2: program for one of the best REMO viewers and they
2:14:34
Speaker 2: found it. But that's crazy. That's a sitting president, right,
2:14:38
Speaker 2: could be Carter talking about it? Psychic?
2:14:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Do you think that that is an aspect
2:14:45
Speaker 1: of human consciousness that we used to be able to do?
2:14:49
Speaker 1: I do, and that we've lost it somehow?
2:14:52
Speaker 2: Yeah?
2:14:52
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:14:53
Speaker 2: I think there's just things we've evolved out of and
2:14:56
Speaker 2: things we've evolved into. And I think that.
2:14:58
Speaker 1: That's you know, is that what they think as well?
2:15:01
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, someone someone, someone very involved in that topic
2:15:04
Speaker 2: for the government now told me. The analogy they would
2:15:06
Speaker 2: make is it's like if you saw a basketball on
2:15:10
Speaker 2: the ground, anybody can pick the basketball up if there's
2:15:13
Speaker 2: a hoop there that can throw it at it, right right,
2:15:14
Speaker 2: If you sat back and watched a lot of one
2:15:16
Speaker 2: hundred people do it, someone looked like clowns, someone someone like, oh,
2:15:20
Speaker 2: this guy is signed potential, and then you know, one
2:15:22
Speaker 2: out of every however many like that, whatever would be
2:15:24
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, who's just like boom swish. This guy's are
2:15:27
Speaker 2: fucking natural, right, that's the instinct. So everyone can do it.
2:15:29
Speaker 2: Everyone can pick up the ball and throw it at
2:15:31
Speaker 2: the hoop, and some people have a naturalized saying to
2:15:34
Speaker 2: do it better. And that's what they were trying to identify.
2:15:37
Speaker 1: And that's what they do try to And the weird
2:15:39
Speaker 1: one is that people who have had encounters. Yeah, so
2:15:43
Speaker 1: that's that to me is like like it breaks through
2:15:46
Speaker 1: some barrier that you have in your consciousness when they
2:15:49
Speaker 1: communicate with you all of a sudden, Now you have
2:15:52
Speaker 1: this wall that has been down that allows you to
2:15:55
Speaker 1: have access to this forgotten aspect of human consciousness or.
2:15:58
Speaker 2: Somehow heightens it. You know, the biological effects are real,
2:16:02
Speaker 2: so we don't you know, we know about the bad
2:16:04
Speaker 2: ones like cancer, but maybe one of the other ones.
2:16:07
Speaker 2: Is it heightens this ability somehow?
2:16:10
Speaker 1: Have you ever taken any time into consideration of the
2:16:12
Speaker 1: possibility that human beings we're a product of genetic engineering.
2:16:18
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of impossible gott in this rabbit
2:16:21
Speaker 2: hole and not have the thought of it. Are we
2:16:22
Speaker 2: just all a big Is this a big experiment? You know,
2:16:25
Speaker 2: in one day the experimentill end or.
2:16:27
Speaker 1: Not even just an experiment, but an aiding in a process,
2:16:31
Speaker 1: like they recognize a process where there's bipedal hominids of
2:16:36
Speaker 1: various intelligence and they accentuate that. Yeah, and multiple different
2:16:42
Speaker 1: probably multiple different attempts.
2:16:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've definitely thought about it, and it
2:16:48
Speaker 2: would explain a lot, you know, there's all these missing
2:16:50
Speaker 2: gaps in our history.
2:16:51
Speaker 1: Well, that's also the weirdness of the Book of Enoch. Yeah,
2:16:55
Speaker 1: the Book of Enoch is essentially describing watchers who come
2:16:59
Speaker 1: down from the sky and mate with women. Yeah. Well
2:17:04
Speaker 1: that if you told that story for a thousand years
2:17:06
Speaker 1: and the real story was they came down, they got
2:17:10
Speaker 1: a hold of human babies and human mothers and introduced
2:17:15
Speaker 1: genetics that were alien into these children. That would be
2:17:20
Speaker 1: like they made it with women. Yeah, it would be
2:17:22
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing, you know, and created. Well,
2:17:25
Speaker 1: they talk about the Nephiliam giants who destroyed everything, but
2:17:28
Speaker 1: that's kind of us. Well.
2:17:29
Speaker 2: The other thing that makes me think of is a
2:17:31
Speaker 2: number of the people who have seen crafts and it's
2:17:35
Speaker 2: Jase Stratton and Lelsondo say it in the film that
2:17:37
Speaker 2: the craft at Roswell had hieroglyphics on it, some kind
2:17:42
Speaker 2: of a shit writing, and they actually I didn't put
2:17:46
Speaker 2: in the film, but they talked about how when they
2:17:49
Speaker 2: learned that to be a fact, they spent a ton
2:17:51
Speaker 2: of time researching ancient texts and trying to find a
2:17:56
Speaker 2: match and they couldn't find it. And the closest thing
2:17:59
Speaker 2: they could fine with some old biblical text. But who's
2:18:05
Speaker 2: hieroglyphics for these what was that from? Yeah? It's wild man.
2:18:09
Speaker 1: Well how much would you give to see one to
2:18:11
Speaker 1: look like? Please, I'll stop making documentaries. I won't talk
2:18:15
Speaker 1: to nobody. Just show me, Just take me into the
2:18:19
Speaker 1: hangar and show me.
2:18:20
Speaker 2: This fucking Thingielberg says, he's you know, all these years
2:18:23
Speaker 2: the guy made close encounters, he made et, you know,
2:18:25
Speaker 2: war the world's TV shows about it and never seen one.
2:18:31
Speaker 1: And you know, have you had anything that you've ever
2:18:36
Speaker 1: seen that you thought was weird?
2:18:38
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah I have. I actually out in Ohi, I
2:18:42
Speaker 2: don't Inhai. My my fiance and I were laying on
2:18:45
Speaker 2: a blanket while I was making this movie, looking at
2:18:48
Speaker 2: stars and saw what looked like a satellite. At first
2:18:52
Speaker 2: I thought it was that was going slow, and then
2:18:54
Speaker 2: this thing just fucking rocketed off way up there. All
2:18:57
Speaker 2: it looked like was a star, but it was not
2:18:59
Speaker 2: a start. It was not a satellite because it moved
2:19:01
Speaker 2: super fast and just darted across the sky. Yeah, up
2:19:05
Speaker 2: right above the Topatopa Mountains in Ohi. And then I
2:19:08
Speaker 2: and then I actually the next day we said to
2:19:10
Speaker 2: the staff we were almost a little golf cars getting
2:19:12
Speaker 2: drove across the hotel property and we told him saw
2:19:15
Speaker 2: and the guy goes, yeah, not gonna lie. We see
2:19:17
Speaker 2: that stuff a lot out here. I was like, wow, fascinating. Yeah,
2:19:20
Speaker 2: but that's the only thing I ever saw. All this
2:19:23
Speaker 2: stuff where I'm like witnessing firsthand the craziness of this
2:19:26
Speaker 2: cover up. One of the interview subjects I had at
2:19:29
Speaker 2: my house in Los Angeles prepping for an interview. We're
2:19:32
Speaker 2: in the middle of sit my living room. I live
2:19:34
Speaker 2: in the suburbs of Los Angeles, and what happens is
2:19:38
Speaker 2: not normal. Heard very loud helicopter, ran outside, had my
2:19:43
Speaker 2: phone on me, look look up and there's a black
2:19:45
Speaker 2: helicopter right above my house. And the guy comes out
2:19:49
Speaker 2: of the house and looks up and then without missing
2:19:51
Speaker 2: a beat. I always remember this. He's like, he's like, yeah,
2:19:54
Speaker 2: that'll happen. I'm like, what, what the hell does get
2:19:58
Speaker 2: into you know, essentially letting you know that they know. Yeah,
2:20:02
Speaker 2: there's been a bunch of moments like that, like yeah,
2:20:05
Speaker 2: letting letting you know that's that's the message. I immediately
2:20:08
Speaker 2: asked people on the Senate Intellience Committee and Center Services
2:20:10
Speaker 2: Committee about that if I should be worried. They're basically like,
2:20:14
Speaker 2: they're just letting you know that they're aware what you're doing.
2:20:17
Speaker 2: It's them setting a message. They're watching you. Try not
2:20:20
Speaker 2: to cross any lines. They're like, that happens to everybody
2:20:22
Speaker 2: on the Intelligence Committee.
2:20:24
Speaker 1: I would imagine that those people though, kind of want
2:20:27
Speaker 1: you to succeed, you.
2:20:28
Speaker 2: Know, even if they're letting you to succeed in a
2:20:31
Speaker 2: way where you're not crossing the lines. And look, I
2:20:32
Speaker 2: write to great Lands. No one says anything classified on
2:20:35
Speaker 2: camera for me, there's none of that. I don't want
2:20:37
Speaker 2: to be on any part of that, right right. They
2:20:39
Speaker 2: only share what they lawfully can. And I think that,
2:20:42
Speaker 2: you know, I assumed after that that every phone call
2:20:47
Speaker 2: and every email was being observed.
2:20:49
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
2:20:49
Speaker 2: And not only did I assume that, but I was
2:20:51
Speaker 2: I was told to assume that. Yeah, sure, yeah, the
2:20:54
Speaker 2: people on the So there's a guy who give me
2:20:56
Speaker 2: a shout out, John Estrich, who was on the Senate
2:20:58
Speaker 2: Intellien's committee staff. He was senior staffer for Rubio. He
2:21:01
Speaker 2: was the guy who really led the charge on looking
2:21:05
Speaker 2: into this topic for Rubio and Warner on the Senate
2:21:07
Speaker 2: Intel I was staff. He was extremely supportive to me
2:21:10
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, helped vet people for me, helped send
2:21:14
Speaker 2: introductions my way, helped validate me with Rubio and rounds.
2:21:19
Speaker 2: Extremely helpful. He often had that same kind of activity
2:21:23
Speaker 2: at his house every time he'd have an important meeting.
2:21:27
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and uh oh god, that'll fucking put some
2:21:33
Speaker 2: holes in your sales.
2:21:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like slow down, but maybe maybe I
2:21:39
Speaker 1: need to go back to Ready Player.
2:21:40
Speaker 2: Two to go developing Oceans eleven type movie.
2:21:46
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm not interested in fucking helicopters being over
2:21:48
Speaker 1: my house.
2:21:49
Speaker 2: Now there's been, there's been. Look, there's a lot of people.
2:21:53
Speaker 2: I don't want to go too into it, but as
2:21:56
Speaker 2: you can imagine, there's a lot of people that didn't
2:21:58
Speaker 2: wish this movie didn't exist. I'm sure that wish I
2:22:00
Speaker 2: never made it. Of course that tried to prevent it
2:22:02
Speaker 2: from getting released and went out of their way to
2:22:04
Speaker 2: cause problems. There's a lot of people that fit that description,
2:22:07
Speaker 2: and I became aware of a lot of them. I
2:22:10
Speaker 2: became aware of a lot of those concerns, and I
2:22:12
Speaker 2: just kind of like it just kind of put blinders
2:22:15
Speaker 2: on and like you know, had tunnel visions like, right,
2:22:19
Speaker 2: I'm not doing anything illegal. I'm not going to do
2:22:21
Speaker 2: anything that's bad for the United States.
2:22:23
Speaker 1: I think it's good for the United States. Yeah, me
2:22:25
Speaker 1: to do. I think what that film was good for
2:22:28
Speaker 1: just human beings overall. It's really important, man, and I'm
2:22:32
Speaker 1: glad you did it. And it was really excellent. Thank you.
2:22:34
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got to see it at south By
2:22:35
Speaker 1: Southwest and I was like, man, this has got to
2:22:38
Speaker 1: get distributed, Like how does this get out there?
2:22:40
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, despite south By, we did two screenings,
2:22:43
Speaker 2: eleven hundred seats at the Paramount Theater, standing ovations, lines
2:22:47
Speaker 2: around the block. The trailer I put out in January
2:22:49
Speaker 2: quickly got like twenty million views. Despite that, all the
2:22:52
Speaker 2: major distributors and major streamers, they watched it, they loved it,
2:22:57
Speaker 2: they said all these great things, but then they didn't
2:22:59
Speaker 2: end up they didn't end up moving forward. And you know,
2:23:05
Speaker 2: I don't think it's naive to think that other parties,
2:23:10
Speaker 2: you know, might have discouraged people.
2:23:11
Speaker 1: Yes, I would imagine that. How can people watch it?
2:23:14
Speaker 2: So on Friday the twenty first, which is tomorrow, which
2:23:18
Speaker 2: is tomorrow or today today? When this drops, it.
2:23:21
Speaker 1: Will drop today today, today for people.
2:23:24
Speaker 2: Today, February twenty Jesus February today, November twenty first. They've
2:23:29
Speaker 2: got an a meebae in your brain, bro today, November
2:23:33
Speaker 2: twenty first, worldwide on Prime Video. You can rent it,
2:23:37
Speaker 2: you can buy it. I made subtitles for every single
2:23:40
Speaker 2: major language. It's available in every single country around the
2:23:44
Speaker 2: world where Prime Video is available, and you can also
2:23:46
Speaker 2: see it in the movie theater in New York, Los
2:23:48
Speaker 2: Angeles and DC. And I really encourage everyone in the
2:23:52
Speaker 2: world to watch this thing and make it a conversation
2:23:54
Speaker 2: with their friends and family. I think it's the most
2:23:55
Speaker 2: interesting conversation you can have around Thanksgiving dinner next week.
2:23:58
Speaker 1: You know, it is really good man, and you should
2:24:00
Speaker 1: be very proud of it. And I hope it gets
2:24:02
Speaker 1: distributed even wider after the success of the Amazon Prime thing,
2:24:06
Speaker 1: because I think it's going to take off. Thank you.
2:24:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope that's the case. And then yeah, I
2:24:11
Speaker 2: do you think there'll be a follow up?
2:24:12
Speaker 1: Listen, do you have follow up? Baby come back? And
2:24:15
Speaker 1: definitely if you do a remote viewing one too, I
2:24:17
Speaker 1: want to hear about more.
2:24:17
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah.
2:24:19
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for being here man. It was
2:24:20
Speaker 1: awesome and your documentary is really really upsellent. Thank you.
2:24:23
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
2:24:24
Speaker 2: Bye, everybody.