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The Kenny Report | 19 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another week on the Kenny Report Tonight.
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  Speaker 2: More nations looking at embracing nuclear energy as the Liberals
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  Speaker 2: weigh up their nuclear options. The media who covered for
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  Speaker 2: Joe Vibe now revealing the story they hid for years,
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  Speaker 2: Labour's superannuation tax grab, why it could be the thin
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  Speaker 2: end of the wedge, and how most of our new
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  Speaker 2: jobs in this economy are in the care economy, which
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  Speaker 2: means we're paying for them. I'll cross to Sophie Ellsworth
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  Speaker 2: in Rome and our magnificent Monday panel with Gematonieni and
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  Speaker 2: Caroline Drusso let's get started. We remain a country in
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  Speaker 2: denial about our energy fate. Our energy rich nation, as
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  Speaker 2: I've mentioned so many times, has deliberately created an energy
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  Speaker 2: supply and price crisis, driven of course by climate policies,
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  Speaker 2: and it's hurting families, crippling our economy. Yet not only
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  Speaker 2: do we have governments that pretend we can get to
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  Speaker 2: net zero by twenty fifty by switching to renewable energy,
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  Speaker 2: but we also have people committed to ignoring the nuclear
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  Speaker 2: power option, which is the only form of energy that
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  Speaker 2: can get us to net zero.
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  Speaker 1: That's what experts around the world have concluded.
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  Speaker 2: So there are some in the Liberal Party now who
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  Speaker 2: actually want to acts the only truly necessary and historic
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  Speaker 2: reform that the party took to this month's election, and
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  Speaker 2: that is the logical plan to add nuclear energy to
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  Speaker 2: our mix. This retreat on nuclear promoted by moderate liberal bedweatherers,
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  Speaker 2: is promoted on the basis of opinion polls. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: forget the economics, forget the engineering, forget having applausible plan.
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  Speaker 1: For our country's future.
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  Speaker 2: Just follow the Poles and they wonder why they're in opposition. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 2: the Nationals have vertebra and are a little bit more logical.
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  Speaker 3: You can't get to net zero without nuclear energy. Now,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's specifically the policy that we took around government
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  Speaker 3: owned or whether it's simply removing the moratorium. I think
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  Speaker 3: you have to be pragmatic. You cannot do an all
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  Speaker 3: renewables approach and keep the economy going. And we're starting
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  Speaker 3: to feel that we will promise three years ago two
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  Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five dollars reduction our energy bills. They've
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  Speaker 3: gone up over thirteen hundred dollars. Unfortunately, physics and economics
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  Speaker 3: are going to catch up with at some point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't think we need to get to
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  Speaker 2: net zero, then let's burn coal and gas and have
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  Speaker 2: affordable and reliable energy. But if you are intent on
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  Speaker 2: getting to net zero, nuclear is essential. Without it, our
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  Speaker 2: energy supply on pricing crisis.
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  Speaker 1: Will just go on forever.
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  Speaker 2: And the latest countries to realize this are Belgium and Denmark.
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  Speaker 2: The Belgians are getting rid of a law that phases
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  Speaker 2: out nuclear power and bans new plants. In Denmark, there
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  Speaker 2: are now movers of foot to overturn their ban on
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  Speaker 2: nuclear power that stood since the nineteen eighties. The Danes
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  Speaker 2: use a lot of renewable energy, but they've got interconnectors
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  Speaker 2: with other countries to back it up, so they bring
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  Speaker 2: in hydro electricity from Norway, nuclear powered electricity from Sweden,
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  Speaker 2: and fossil fuel generated power from Germany when they need it.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the Danish energy minister earlier this.
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  Speaker 4: Year, and I'm looking very much forward to the discussion.
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  Speaker 4: We will have to dend a castle a lot on
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  Speaker 4: how we can meg the framework so that we can
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  Speaker 4: more rapidly increase Europe's capability to prouce the energy that
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  Speaker 4: we need ourselves, meaning renewable but not exclusive renewables.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they love their renewables, but they know they need more,
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  Speaker 2: which is why they're looking at scrapping their nuclear band, which,
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  Speaker 2: as this next post explains, wasn't really about nuclear energy anyway.
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  Speaker 2: It was more about Cold War fears of nuclear weapons.
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  Speaker 5: It was not really against nuclear power. It was against
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  Speaker 5: these weapons and the Cold War and Oliver And they
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  Speaker 5: thought we had plenty of energy back then. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: there was not nowhere to worry about SIEOU two. So
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  Speaker 5: they thought, you know, why don't we just use oil
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  Speaker 5: and gas and call and so the majority of the
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  Speaker 5: people Denmark said no, let's not make nuclear energy. We're
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  Speaker 5: such a small country anyways, But they went down that road.
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  Speaker 5: But I think now people are starting to realize that
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  Speaker 5: it's not really a good solution.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the world is waking up to the benefits of
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  Speaker 2: nuclear which just underscores why Australia needs to get with
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  Speaker 2: the program. Thirty one countries now have domestic nuclear energy.
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  Speaker 2: Most of them are looking at tripling their output to
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  Speaker 2: get to net zero. Other countries like Denmark now are
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  Speaker 2: looking at getting started. About sixty five extra reactors are
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  Speaker 2: currently under construction around the world, and the further ninety
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  Speaker 2: are planned. Anyone arguing against nuclear energy now is actually
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  Speaker 2: arguing against clean base load power. They're opposing the only
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  Speaker 2: plausible path to zero, and they're rejecting a modern, sophisticated economy.
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  Speaker 2: And Australia, of course, is the only country in the
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  Speaker 2: world trying to power a modern economy on renewables plus storage.
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  Speaker 2: It's a grand, expensive and failing experiment. So if the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals backflip on nuclear now and support Labour's energy disaster instead,
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  Speaker 2: well they might as well shut up shop. There's some
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  Speaker 2: bad health news today for former President Joe Biden, with
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  Speaker 2: diagnosis of a nasty form of prostate cancer, so we
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  Speaker 2: wish him well in dealing with that illness as he
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  Speaker 2: and his family consider their treatment options. President Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: has sent him best wishes. This difficult personal news comes
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  Speaker 2: just as the debate about Biden's presidency has been heating
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  Speaker 2: up with the.
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  Speaker 1: Release of a new book called Original Sin.
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  Speaker 2: The book is co authored by Washington television journalists Alex
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  Speaker 2: Thompson and Jake Tapper, and it claims to probe President
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  Speaker 2: Biden's decline, its cover up, and his disastrous choice to
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  Speaker 2: run again. Now, this is a staggering case of hindsight
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  Speaker 2: by these journalists. This is the Washington media cabbal trying
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  Speaker 2: to win credit now for airing what they plainly denied,
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  Speaker 2: pretended away, and covered up for almost the entirety of
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  Speaker 2: Biden's presidency. I mean, let's just point out here that
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  Speaker 2: some of us from the other side of the world
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  Speaker 2: could see Biden's future from the outset.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't have to be a clearvoyant.
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  Speaker 2: The White House, in the meantime, is actually saying that
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  Speaker 2: Biden will run again in twenty twenty four because they have.
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  Speaker 1: To say that.
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  Speaker 2: If they don't say that, they make him a lamed
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  Speaker 2: up president when he's less than a year into the job.
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  Speaker 1: Stupid situation.
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  Speaker 2: But obviously, if Biden runs again, I mean, I'll win
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  Speaker 2: the Brown Low.
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  Speaker 1: That's how likely it is.
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  Speaker 2: The US looks like being rudderless for the next three years.
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  Speaker 2: We should worry, all of us, no matter who we support,
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  Speaker 2: And don't say we didn't warn you on this show.
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  Speaker 1: I told you last.
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  Speaker 2: Year that Biden was running the weekend at Bernie's campaign.
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  Speaker 1: Tragically, now it's the weekend at Bernie's presidency. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: was a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: That was four years ago, and we all know what
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  Speaker 2: we saw in the months and the years afterwards.
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  Speaker 6: The best way to get something done if your holds
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  Speaker 6: near and dear to you that you are like to
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  Speaker 6: be able to anyway.
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  Speaker 1: The idea that done. And John shengang.
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  Speaker 7: Shanga, America is a nation that can be defined in
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  Speaker 7: a single word. I tied the pack and pack at
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  Speaker 7: act into the law.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, tied that fall he decided to look, I shouldn't
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  Speaker 6: get into this.
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  Speaker 2: We had some laughs, sure, but in the main this
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  Speaker 2: stuff was excruciating.
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  Speaker 1: And deep into the actual election year.
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  Speaker 2: Last year, the White House was insisting that Biden would
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  Speaker 2: run again.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't imagine your colleague, people in northern I will
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  Speaker 6: represent the Greek piece dividend of the Belfast Goods Freighty Agreement.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows what he said.
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  Speaker 2: You can go to the White House website, no doubt
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  Speaker 2: they'll have his speech there.
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  Speaker 1: You can decipher it better there.
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  Speaker 2: Instead of just running these media concoctions against wouldn't the
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  Speaker 2: Democrats and the left be better off finding a better
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  Speaker 2: candidate for the Democrats? But no, they kept going, and
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  Speaker 2: then we saw that disastrous debate performance last June.
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  Speaker 8: An initiative relative to what we're going to do with
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  Speaker 8: more border patrol and more cyber officers.
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  Speaker 9: President Trump, I really don't know what he said at
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  Speaker 9: the end of their sent I don't think he knows
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  Speaker 9: what he said either.
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  Speaker 2: And even then there were people still defending Biden. They've
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  Speaker 2: pretended that Joe Biden is up to the job.
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  Speaker 1: The president clearly.
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  Speaker 2: Is not up to the job and certainly isn't up
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  Speaker 2: to doing it for another four years. And while this
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  Speaker 2: has been clear for at least three years to anyone
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  Speaker 2: paying attention, the Democrats and their media mates have spun
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  Speaker 2: an alternative narrative. They've denied the truth, and they've misled
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  Speaker 2: the people backing Biden in for a second term. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's what's happened. The Washington media, the mainstream media in
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  Speaker 2: the US, they rode shotgun for Biden, and they tried
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  Speaker 2: to pretend not only that he was okay, that he
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  Speaker 2: was a functioning president, but that he could go around again.
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  Speaker 1: It was madness.
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  Speaker 10: This version of Biden, intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever,
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  Speaker 10: not a close second.
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  Speaker 1: And I've known him for years.
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  Speaker 11: He is sharp, intensely probing, and detail oriented and focused.
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  Speaker 5: This is a man who is sharp, who is on
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  Speaker 5: top of his game, who knows what's going on.
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  Speaker 12: This guy's tough, he's smart, he's on his game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently it was the Biden critics, people like you
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  Speaker 2: and me, We were the ones apparently dealing in an
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  Speaker 2: alternative reality. It's been clear since his first year in
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  Speaker 2: the Oval office that Biden could not run again, And
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  Speaker 2: I've said that clear since that first year.
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  Speaker 1: Reality will kick.
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  Speaker 2: In eventually, of course, but so much damage is being
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  Speaker 2: done while the administration tries to hold reality at bay. Well,
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  Speaker 2: as we all know, Biden finally withdrew from the race,
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  Speaker 2: finally confronted reality, and then they were stuck with Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 2: who was a dud, of course, Whereas if he'd withdrawn earlier,
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  Speaker 2: perhaps the Democrats might have found a better candidate.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows.
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  Speaker 2: But the point here is this book by Tappa and
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  Speaker 2: his make How is it that they get to tell
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  Speaker 2: the story now, this is the story that they failed
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  Speaker 2: to tell the public for four years while Biden was president.
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  Speaker 13: I think some of the criticism is fair, to be
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  Speaker 13: honest of me, certainly, I'm not going to speak for
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  Speaker 13: anybody else, But knowing then what I know now. I
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  Speaker 13: look back at my coverage during the Biden years and
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  Speaker 13: I did cover some of these issues, but not enough.
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  Speaker 13: I look back on it with humility.
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  Speaker 2: With humility, this bloke is going to make a fast
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  Speaker 2: buck now selling the story that he and his colleagues
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  Speaker 2: refused to report when it mattered. The real story here
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  Speaker 2: is not deception from the White House or denial from
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  Speaker 2: Biden himself. The real story is the failure of the
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  Speaker 2: free press, the collusion of the White House press corps,
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  Speaker 2: the willing conjob by the Fourth of State pretending to
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  Speaker 2: their audiences that what they wanted to be true was
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  Speaker 2: in fact true, instead of revealing the facts that were
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  Speaker 2: in plane view. Look, we can all kind of forgive Biden.
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  Speaker 2: He wanted to go on and we understand why.
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  Speaker 1: But how can we.
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  Speaker 2: Forgive the media for averting their eyes and spreading falsehoods?
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  Speaker 1: How can they expect to be trusted again now?
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  Speaker 2: Just on the media, This is a sad little case
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  Speaker 2: of their games. Back here in Australia, let me correct
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  Speaker 2: a perile attack on me from The Guardian that's been
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  Speaker 2: drawn to my attention.
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  Speaker 1: Their media reporter wrote up.
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  Speaker 2: A yarn saying that a sky After Dark host That's
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  Speaker 2: Me launched a furious spray at the ABC for broadcasting
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  Speaker 2: a far left activist spouting partisan rubbish. Now I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: they're watching, of course, but this sort of incorrect nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: It just spreads misinformation and bile on social media and
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  Speaker 2: the like. So I just want to remind them of
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  Speaker 2: the reality. I did not attack the ABC for running
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  Speaker 2: the leftist activist Hannah Ferguson at all. I just said
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  Speaker 2: they should not present her as an independent commentator when
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  Speaker 2: she clearly is hard left.
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  Speaker 1: My complaint last night.
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  Speaker 2: Was that Ferguson was being used as an independent commentator
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  Speaker 2: on the ABC when in fact she's a hard left activist.
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  Speaker 2: At least today we got this frank self assessment here.
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  Speaker 1: This is for me. I am partisan.
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  Speaker 14: I overtly ran a campaign against the Coalition. I am
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  Speaker 14: happy to confront any line of questioning about that. I
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  Speaker 14: will consistently get things wrong, make mistakes, upset people on
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  Speaker 14: all sides of politics.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she won't upset too many on the green left.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, she is a highly partisan player and should
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  Speaker 2: be billed as such when she appears on the ABC.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty clear point.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about silencing people or shutting them down. It's
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  Speaker 2: about being honest and upfront. And that's for me being
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  Speaker 2: furious and I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Well make up your own mind.
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  Speaker 2: That's why people with little relevant experience or knowledge, who
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  Speaker 2: style themselves as social media influencers are actually having a
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  Speaker 2: political impact. Now I'm not complaining about that. It's just
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  Speaker 2: the reality. It's a free world. But we need to
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  Speaker 2: deal with it. The right have said that parties need
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  Speaker 2: to get active in countering them stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: About silencing people, getting furious at them, is about having
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  Speaker 2: the debate doing it better. The whole tone and the
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  Speaker 2: point there of what I was saying is the opposite
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  Speaker 2: to what the Guardian reported. So you just can't believe
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  Speaker 2: these people, can you. I mean, they even got the
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  Speaker 2: Sky after Dark thing wrong, didn't they.
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  Speaker 1: I've said for years that this show is Sky at dusk.
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  Speaker 2: Let's catch up with Sarah Henderson now, the Shadow Education Minister,
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  Speaker 2: joining us live from Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Sarah.
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  Speaker 2: You in the Liberal Party and the Coalition more broadly,
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  Speaker 2: looking at their wash up to the election and all
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  Speaker 2: the rest of it. It's understandable you look at policies
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  Speaker 2: and you've got to get a new front bench.
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  Speaker 1: And all of that.
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  Speaker 2: But the idea that nuclear could be tossed out, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as a policy altogether, it just seems.
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  Speaker 1: It seems unthinkable, right.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't that just be the end of you as a
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  Speaker 2: serious party if you were to say that nuclear energy
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  Speaker 2: suddenly now is not the responsible path forward for this nation.
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  Speaker 15: Well, Chris, great to join you, and we have a
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  Speaker 15: lot of soul searching to do following a pretty significant
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  Speaker 15: loss at the last election. But part of that is
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  Speaker 15: to review our policies in a measured and very systematic way.
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  Speaker 15: So I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I won't be
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  Speaker 15: making any predictions about what we will and won't announce
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  Speaker 15: in relation to nuclear or any other policy. But what
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  Speaker 15: I will say, Chris, is we have an energy crisis
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  Speaker 15: in this country as a result of the Labor Government's
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  Speaker 15: renewables only reckless policy, which of course is driving up
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  Speaker 15: power bills and forcing so many Australians to choose between
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  Speaker 15: eating and heating. It's an absolute disgrace that a country
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  Speaker 15: as lucky as ours is forcing so many Australians into
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  Speaker 15: so much hardship, and it is because of Labour's policies,
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  Speaker 15: and we are determined to hold the government to account
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  Speaker 15: and to of course to deliver a set of policies
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  Speaker 15: to fix that going forward.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my point is you're absolutely right, and this is clear,
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  Speaker 2: and this is my point. If you were to if
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  Speaker 2: you were to stick to net zero and get rid
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  Speaker 2: of nuclear, well then you have no policy. You're just
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  Speaker 2: endorsing the chaos that labor have embraced. The only other
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  Speaker 2: option is to scrap net zero and go back to
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  Speaker 2: colon gas.
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  Speaker 1: I just can't see you doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Surely you're gonna have to stick with net zero, even
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  Speaker 2: if you don't put twenty fifty on it. You're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to say that you're heading towards net zero
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  Speaker 2: at some stage.
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  Speaker 15: Well, Chris Susan Lee has hit the ground running as
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  Speaker 15: our new leader, and she will undertake a very measured
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  Speaker 15: and as I say, systematic approach to policy review, involving
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  Speaker 15: every member of our team, including immolation to energy policies.
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  Speaker 15: But what Australians do know, and I'll say this again
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  Speaker 15: because it is a very serious situation in this country.
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  Speaker 15: Labor is wrecking our economy. If we don't have a
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  Speaker 15: sensible energy policy. If we don't have lower electricity bills
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  Speaker 15: and gas bills going forward, we are going to drive
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  Speaker 15: this country off a cliff. And that is why we
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  Speaker 15: have to work very very hard to prosecute the case,
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  Speaker 15: hold the government too account and of course part of
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  Speaker 15: that is doing so with a lot of humility and
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  Speaker 15: grace to work out what we did wrong and work
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  Speaker 15: out how we can improve our policy offering going forward.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to show you what your Victorian Senate
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  Speaker 2: colleague Jane Hume had to say about energy policy today.
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  Speaker 16: The electric has sent us a very clear message what
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  Speaker 16: it is that they want in their government.
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  Speaker 12: Abandoning net zero. I don't necessarily think is consistent with that.
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  Speaker 12: That's a discussion for the party room.
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  Speaker 2: I think she's right as I just said, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think you can abandon net zero, even if you are
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  Speaker 2: just the timing. But you can't get to net zero
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  Speaker 2: without nuclear. So sure, there's a lot more detail required
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  Speaker 2: on nuclear, there wasn't enough before the election. Sure it
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  Speaker 2: would be good to get government funding out of it,
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  Speaker 2: all the rest of it. But the essential point here
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  Speaker 2: is that Australia has those secure, reliable, affordable energy future
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  Speaker 2: unless in the medium term we embrace nuclear energy.
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  Speaker 1: Is that not true?
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  Speaker 15: Well, Chris, we're very proud of the set of policies
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  Speaker 15: that we took forward in relation to energy security. Clearly
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  Speaker 15: under Labor, this is a government which is driving our
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  Speaker 15: country off a cliff. The reckless renewables approach is going
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  Speaker 15: to destroy our economy. Let's face it, look at what
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  Speaker 15: is happening in Victoria. We are running out of gas.
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  Speaker 15: We are running out of gas. We've got the Greens
• 19:32
  Speaker 15: prosecuting the shutdown of Coaling Gas tomorrow and of course
• 19:36
  Speaker 15: they worked hand in god with Labor to get the
• 19:39
  Speaker 15: government re elected. So we will be delivering a very
• 19:43
  Speaker 15: very strong offering of policies in relation to our energy
• 19:46
  Speaker 15: security and energy affordability. But I won't be preempting anything today, Chris.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I can see that. I can see you won't be
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: preempty anything.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Let me just observe though, that if it abandons nuclear
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: as part of the mix, you're going to lose all
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: credibility as a party on energy. I would suggest I
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: want to get back to your portfolio area that has
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: been over the past term education of course, and you've
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: taken a strong stand against the controversial academic round to
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: abdel Fatta, who's a pro Palestinian advocate. She's been very,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: very divisive, but she's offering to sort of teach teachers
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and teach school children about the Palestinian issue. Obviously, from
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: her perspective, you're saying that the federal government should keep her.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Out of schools. How can they do that.
• 20:34
  Speaker 15: Well, Chris, We've taken a very strong stand on getting
• 20:37
  Speaker 15: back to basics. We delivered a strong policy to return
• 20:40
  Speaker 15: Australia to a top ten education nation because one in
• 20:44
  Speaker 15: three children is currently failing in our planned through no.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Fault of teachers.
• 20:49
  Speaker 15: Teachers have been let down, students have been let down,
• 20:52
  Speaker 15: and frankly parents have been let down, including by a
• 20:55
  Speaker 15: range of labor government policies, poor teacher training in our university.
• 21:00
  Speaker 15: We've taken a very strong stand on those things. But
• 21:03
  Speaker 15: as part of getting back to basics, children deserve the
• 21:06
  Speaker 15: very best and they don't deserve extremism or activism in
• 21:09
  Speaker 15: the classroom. And this particular academic is offering to run
• 21:13
  Speaker 15: classes which I think are contrary to the obligations of
• 21:16
  Speaker 15: all schools to provide the very best education. And that
• 21:20
  Speaker 15: is why I have called on the Education Minister Jason
• 21:22
  Speaker 15: Claire to ensure that these classes do not go ahead.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well get on you. It's a good stand.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: And look, you've been strong on these issues on education
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: four years, getting back to the basics, uncluttering the curriculum
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: and getting activism out of the classroom. So let's hope
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: you can stay in the education portfolio. I get some
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: consistency there because I think it's another area where the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: coalition's really got to hold the government to account right
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: around the country. Thanks for joining us, Sarah Henderson, the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Shadow Education Ministry. At the moment, of course, we're waiting
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: to see what the front bench, what the makeup of
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the front bench will be when Susan Lee reveals.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: That in coming days.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I want to go to another federal political issue now,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: and this is Labour's superannuation taxation plans. Let's bring in
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Dmitri Bursteins, who's with Eminence Advisory, joining us live from Sydney.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Dmitri.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: This is astounding, this idea of taxing unrealized profits in
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: super accounts above three million dollars. Now, the whole basis
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: for Layber's argument here is don't worry about it. Most
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: people don't have this much money. What concerns me more, though,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: is the thin end of the wedge. If you can
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: tax unrealized profits that could be applied across all sorts
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: of circumstances, even you know, right across the spectrum when
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: it comes to pension eligibility and all the rest of it.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Are you worried about this as a new means of
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: taxing money before it's even realized.
• 22:51
  Speaker 17: Hi, Chris, thanks for having me on your show. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 17: absolutely yes, it's the thin und of the wedge. It's
• 22:56
  Speaker 17: a wealth tax. And I do note whilst the government's
• 23:00
  Speaker 17: proposals for a three million threshold, the Greens, with whom
• 23:03
  Speaker 17: the Government will need their support to pass the legislation
• 23:07
  Speaker 17: wanted to be two million, and it's currently non indexed,
• 23:10
  Speaker 17: so over eventually it could erode to, you know, ridiculously
• 23:15
  Speaker 17: low levels and capture everyone. And I will also know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 17: I can't say for certain because I haven't seen the
• 23:21
  Speaker 17: Treasury advice. I suspect there's an element of sloppiness in
• 23:24
  Speaker 17: the analysis because I don't think they counted all the
• 23:27
  Speaker 17: defined benefit pension members who will also be caught by
• 23:32
  Speaker 17: this scheme.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you make a really strong point there.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: This won't get through the Senate without the Greens. And
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: if the Labor says three million and the Greens say
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: two million, let's split the difference and say it gets
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: passed at two and a half million. It's going to
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: then capture a lot more people. And as people get older,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the younger people were savings mount, it will capture more
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: and more. Let me just show you what Richard Marles,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: the acting Prime Minister, had to say in defense of
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: this today.
• 23:58
  Speaker 18: We've seen a smear campaign in relation to the superannuation
• 24:03
  Speaker 18: arrangements arrangements which were announced two years ago. There's nothing
• 24:08
  Speaker 18: new in relation to these, and I would just further
• 24:11
  Speaker 18: add that we're talking about very modest changes which apply
• 24:14
  Speaker 18: to about zero point five percent of superannuance.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: You've got to laugh. A smear campaign against the tax drab.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But the point is a lot of us have been
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: raising concerns about this for the last two years, but
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: it didn't get through Parliament and now it's finally getting
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the attention it deserves.
• 24:31
  Speaker 17: That's correct, and Chris and I also find it amusing
• 24:33
  Speaker 17: that he says a smear campaign standing in front of
• 24:35
  Speaker 17: Medicare signs, but you're absolutely correct, Chris, and I've been
• 24:41
  Speaker 17: wondering during the election in prior where has the coalition
• 24:45
  Speaker 17: coalition been This tax was announced in I think it
• 24:49
  Speaker 17: was February two thousand and three.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: It's a horrible tax.
• 24:53
  Speaker 17: It's designed badly. It breaches all sorts of implement design principles,
• 25:00
  Speaker 17: simplicity of transparency. The fact that it can be charged
• 25:03
  Speaker 17: on unrealized gains is just despicable, and it is applicable
• 25:09
  Speaker 17: outside the superannuation system. It lays a template to go.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: After the own home, any assets.
• 25:16
  Speaker 17: It's essentially a wealth tax.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Look any one of us who's got a home, even
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: if we've still got a hefty mortgage, we are sitting
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: on an unrealized game.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And it means.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: That that's exposed to government tax at some stage.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: If we let this go through, you.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Should not be able to tax money until it actually exists.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Just briefly, we're nearly out of time.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: But Dimitri, another point I thought you made brilliantly in
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: your op ed piece was that the Treasury now seems
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: totally focused now on finding new ways to get revenue,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: directed by their labor masters. No doubt they're just trying
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: to find new taxes, new ways to suck in more
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: revenue instead of finding ways to be more efficient and
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: more productive and generate more money.
• 26:00
  Speaker 17: I believe that is the case, and I'll just quote.
• 26:03
  Speaker 17: I'll provide a quote that Ronald Reagan gave in nineteen
• 26:05
  Speaker 17: eighty three, in a speech in nineteen eighty three, that's
• 26:08
  Speaker 17: what forty odd years ago, he said, we don't have
• 26:11
  Speaker 17: a trillion dollar debt because we haven't taxed enough. We
• 26:14
  Speaker 17: have a trillion dollar debt because we spend too much.
• 26:17
  Speaker 17: And Australia now essentially has a trillion dollar debt. You're right,
• 26:23
  Speaker 17: Treasury is obsessed with collecting more and more revenue and
• 26:26
  Speaker 17: you can see it. They lay the breadcrumbs every year
• 26:29
  Speaker 17: by putting out their tax expenditure statement. Anything any rate
• 26:33
  Speaker 17: of taxes below the marginal income tax is considered a
• 26:36
  Speaker 17: tax expenditure, and that's just preposterous. You know, the government
• 26:41
  Speaker 17: should be finding ways to reduce government expenditure, inefficiency, bloat,
• 26:47
  Speaker 17: and spending. An area is that they should not be spending.
• 26:51
  Speaker 17: You know, I was listening to your interview with Sarah
• 26:54
  Speaker 17: Henderson and she was talking about how the federal Education
• 26:58
  Speaker 17: Minister should be directing statement state schools. You know, on
• 27:02
  Speaker 17: what basis the state the federal Education minister has had
• 27:06
  Speaker 17: any providence in state education matters.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, they agreed with the principle get out of the way.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely right. There's so much doubling up in
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: our federation. We'll keep on the okase. Thanks for joining us, Dmitri.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Dmitri burst on there from Eminence advisory.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break on the other
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: side of it. Something else that really took looks at
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: how big governmentor is getting and how we're all paying
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: for it, and that is the new jobs in our economy,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and just had all in the care economy.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: That means of course that good care for people, but
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: we're all paying for it.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: We speak a lot about big government being on the
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: march and how we're all paying for it, as we
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: just were, and this next story demonstrates the point.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Really you only have to look at the job's growth
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: in this country.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: It bears this out because especially among aged and disability
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: careers in this country. The demographer Bernard Salt went through
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the numbers in The Australian last week showing how the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: aged and disability care workforce has gone from twelve and
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: a half thousand in nineteen eighty seven to a whopping
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy one hundred thousand this year.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Let's bring in Bernard Solt.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: He's the executive director of the Demographics Group.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Bernarde.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I noted your article there last week and I just
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: thought I had to bring you on to talk about
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: it because you raised so many interesting issues with your
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: demography research and writing, and this run really bears out
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: two things. On the one hand, it shows a caring
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: society looking to provide care to people who are aged
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: or disabled and the like. But it also shows that
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: so much of the workforce now going into parts of
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: the workforce that are unproductive. If you like that we
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: all have to pay for rather than generate income for
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the country.
• 28:53
  Speaker 19: Well, yes, this was I think that's an important important piece.
• 28:57
  Speaker 19: It was done in collaboration with the age key provider
• 29:00
  Speaker 19: Bolton Clark. But it picks up on a theme that
• 29:03
  Speaker 19: I have been banging on about for quite some time.
• 29:08
  Speaker 19: The fastest growing job on the Australian continent at the
• 29:11
  Speaker 19: moment and pretty much for the last ten years, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 19: by fast I mean the most number of jobs as
• 29:18
  Speaker 19: opposed to the percentage rate of growth. Most number of
• 29:21
  Speaker 19: jobs added to a single occupation over the last five
• 29:26
  Speaker 19: years has applied to the job of aged and disabled
• 29:30
  Speaker 19: career that's the technical term, and it increased by one
• 29:34
  Speaker 19: hundred and forty nine thousand jobs in five years. That's
• 29:39
  Speaker 19: two and a half thousand net extra jobs every month
• 29:44
  Speaker 19: for sixty consecutive months to go to just compare this
• 29:50
  Speaker 19: with say ten years ago. In fact, I've got a
• 29:53
  Speaker 19: young graphic that I see.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Y.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to show the situation now ten years ago.
• 29:59
  Speaker 19: Between in the twenty eleven and twenty sixteen censuses, of
• 30:03
  Speaker 19: the one thousand, three hundred jobs on the Australian continent
• 30:07
  Speaker 19: different occupations, the tenth fastest growing job ten years ago
• 30:12
  Speaker 19: was barista having a great time ten years ago kitchen
• 30:16
  Speaker 19: hands and chefs. So three hospitality jobs made the top
• 30:20
  Speaker 19: ten between the twenty eleven and twenty sixteen censuses and
• 30:23
  Speaker 19: it kind of reflects who we were as a people
• 30:26
  Speaker 19: enjoying cafe society. Between twenty twenty and twenty twenty five,
• 30:33
  Speaker 19: the growth in jobs has been topped by aged and
• 30:37
  Speaker 19: disabled care That is one hundred and forty nine thousand,
• 30:41
  Speaker 19: But there are another two caring jobs in the top ten,
• 30:44
  Speaker 19: childcareers and registered nurses. Now, we have had to be fair,
• 30:49
  Speaker 19: we have had a significant pandemic over that period. But
• 30:54
  Speaker 19: it is the aged and disabled carer occupation that is
• 30:58
  Speaker 19: absolutely rocketing up the rankings and it wouldn't surprise me
• 31:03
  Speaker 19: to see aged and disabled care as the most common
• 31:07
  Speaker 19: job in Australia by the end of this decade. The
• 31:10
  Speaker 19: most common job at the moment is shop assistant. The
• 31:13
  Speaker 19: shop assistance everywhere is about five hundred and fifty one
• 31:16
  Speaker 19: thousand of them, and the way in which age and
• 31:19
  Speaker 19: disabled care is growing, I think by about the twenty
• 31:23
  Speaker 19: thirty one census you might find that aged and disabled
• 31:27
  Speaker 19: care is the most common extraordinary.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Change. I'm try to stick to your demographic analysis.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I don't want to draw you into that political debate
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: because because it's not your job and you probably don't
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: want to go there. But this has been driven presumably
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: largely by our aging population as well as the ndis
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: creating a lot of disability care jobs.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, that is the case.
• 31:54
  Speaker 19: And if we're concerned at the moment about how things
• 32:00
  Speaker 19: shaping up with regard to provisioning for age care. It's
• 32:03
  Speaker 19: only just starting. The oldest baby boomer ever invented in
• 32:08
  Speaker 19: nineteen forty six is seventy nine this year. You technically
• 32:13
  Speaker 19: don't really hit the zone of requiring significant age care
• 32:18
  Speaker 19: until your eighties, which means it's the next five years,
• 32:21
  Speaker 19: the next five or six years, where you start to
• 32:23
  Speaker 19: get that baby boom generation born in the nineteen forties
• 32:27
  Speaker 19: tipping across the line. So if we are concerned about
• 32:30
  Speaker 19: the numbers now, then they're going to be significantly higher
• 32:35
  Speaker 19: in five lit alone ten years time. There's another point
• 32:38
  Speaker 19: I want to make, however, and that is that we
• 32:41
  Speaker 19: are the first generation in human history to have such
• 32:46
  Speaker 19: a large proportion of the population living beyond the working age.
• 32:51
  Speaker 19: So we are confronting issues that no previous generation in
• 32:55
  Speaker 19: human history, for human human humans have been around. No
• 33:00
  Speaker 19: one has had to deal with this, but we have to.
• 33:02
  Speaker 19: So therefore, we have to come to terms with what
• 33:05
  Speaker 19: share of our national wealth and national income should we
• 33:09
  Speaker 19: be allocating towards care. And I must pick you up
• 33:14
  Speaker 19: on a point at the beginning about non productive work.
• 33:17
  Speaker 19: I think the age care workers would very much say,
• 33:20
  Speaker 19: and this industry would very much say that they do
• 33:22
  Speaker 19: a fabulous job and do deliver a really important service,
• 33:27
  Speaker 19: and they to be even greater need over the next
• 33:30
  Speaker 19: five years. That is my point.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I'm not devaluing the work at all.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: But I'm talking about the productive parts of the economy,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: the wealth generation parts, and which we need the foster
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: of course, so we can pay for all of this
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: as well. This is the economic debate behind all this,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: But it's fascinating information, Bernard, and I really appreciate you sharing.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: It with us. Thanks very much, Chris Bernard salt there
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: from the Demographics group. This is fascinating stuff.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: And as Bernard says, we have to work out as
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: a society how to deal with all this because we
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: lost a lot of money to provide all of the care,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: and the demographics are increasing the burden at every turn.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: So forget about your party politics and.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: All the rest of it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: We have to have an efficient economy that produces the
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: wealth that we can use on.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: The money for the child care.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: The age care, the disability care, all of that is growing.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: We need to make sure our economy pays for it,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and we have to have the people with the right skills.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: It's very complex and I love talking about those issues,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and we'll keep on it so we can get different
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: perspectives on it.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: For you. We got to get to a break now though.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: And on the other side, we'll cross to Rome and
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: catch up with Sophie Orsworth, who of course was there
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: for the Pope's inauguration mass, and we'll talk about the
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: PM meeting with Ukrainian President Vladimir.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Zelenski while he was there.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: As you might have seen here on Sky News yesterday
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: in front of about two hundred thousand people that he
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: is inauguration mass at the.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Vatican in St. Peter Square.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Pope Leo vowed to work for Unity News Corp. Europe
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: correspondent and Sky News can tribute to Sophie Ellsworth was
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: lucky enough to be there.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: And she joins us now live from Rome.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Give us your thoughts, Sophie, first up, about being at
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: that event. It must have been something special with that
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: sort of a crowd there.
• 35:16
  Speaker 20: Look, Chris, it's been incredible. It's been an incredible few
• 35:19
  Speaker 20: weeks and months to be in here here in Rome.
• 35:23
  Speaker 20: Look at the magnificent weather, the beautiful sites behind us.
• 35:26
  Speaker 20: But to have history in the making, the election of
• 35:30
  Speaker 20: the two hundred and sixty seventh Pope Leo, you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 20: to be here when the white smoke erupted from the
• 35:36
  Speaker 20: Sistine Chapel, and then to be here again for the
• 35:40
  Speaker 20: inauguration yesterday.
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: Saint Peter's Square was absolutely jam packed.
• 35:44
  Speaker 20: We saw the Prime Minister there with his Zacoubra hat on.
• 35:48
  Speaker 20: This is a really important moment for him because it's
• 35:51
  Speaker 20: obviously his first international trip since his re election, so
• 35:55
  Speaker 20: a very special moment history in the making. And it
• 35:58
  Speaker 20: was wonderful to see Pope driving through the streets on
• 36:01
  Speaker 20: the Popeman Bill and you know, just being a few
• 36:04
  Speaker 20: meters away from us all.
• 36:05
  Speaker 13: Chris, Yeah, And it.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Was good for Anthony Alberesi to meet him face to
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: face and good on him. There's a bit of criticism
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: around the place saying, you know, how much how religious
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: is he? Well, that's his business. We know he was
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: raised a Catholic and I know the feeling. I got
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: to meet John Paul the Second, John Paul the Second,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: and the first thing I thought of at the time
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: was my own parents and grandparents and how they would
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: think of that moment. And this is what Anthony Alberanzi.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: He said he thought of his own mother, how proud
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: she would be knowing that he got to meet the Pope.
• 36:41
  Speaker 20: Well, absolutely, Chris, and I don't think we should be
• 36:43
  Speaker 20: critical of him in that regard. I mean, this was
• 36:45
  Speaker 20: a special moment for him, and he did speak fondly
• 36:49
  Speaker 20: of how his mother would be very proud of seeing
• 36:53
  Speaker 20: her son, you know, in Saint Peter's Square inside the Basilica.
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: Meeting the Pope.
• 36:58
  Speaker 20: So this was a special moment for him and obviously
• 37:01
  Speaker 20: a really important moment given.
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: The fact that he's just been re elected.
• 37:05
  Speaker 20: And then, as we know, Chris, he had a series
• 37:08
  Speaker 20: of bilateral meetings here in Rome, so it's been a
• 37:10
  Speaker 20: jam packed itinery for the Prime Minister.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is one of the great benefits of going
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: to an event like this is the other world leaders
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: you get to see, however, briefly on the sidelines. But
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: he actually had quite a substantive meeting with the Ukrainian President,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Vladimir Zelenski.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Tell us about that one, he did.
• 37:31
  Speaker 20: Indeed, Chris, they met yesterday following the inauguration, and they
• 37:36
  Speaker 20: had quite a good discussion and the Prime Minister did
• 37:39
  Speaker 20: say to Zelensky that tanks are now on the way
• 37:43
  Speaker 20: to help the war torn country in their fight that's
• 37:46
  Speaker 20: continuing against Russia. They also spoke briefly about Oscar Jenkins,
• 37:51
  Speaker 20: the Melbourne man who's been sentenced to thirteen years imprisonment
• 37:56
  Speaker 20: over in the war torn region, and they discussed many
• 37:59
  Speaker 20: other issues and mister Zelenski congratulated the Prime Minister on
• 38:03
  Speaker 20: his re election and also Australia for its ongoing support
• 38:08
  Speaker 20: with its fight against Russia in the ongoing battle there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Australia support has been pretty cool. Good.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Those tanks though, are taking a long time to get there.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: The other thing that Anthony Albernizi has said back before
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the election, he said that Australia might partake in any
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: coalition of the willing supporting Ukraine holding the peace in
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Ukraine if one can be negotiated, and he seems to
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: have repeated that's promised to Vladimir Zelenski, he's the Prime minister.
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  Speaker 7: We would consider being involved in a coalition of the willing.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to then will continue to provide support.
• 38:45
  Speaker 16: We have as you know, we have tanks that are
• 38:50
  Speaker 16: off on their way.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no detail on that.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Of course, there's got to be a peace first, Sophie,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: but I imagine we might see that one scaled back rather
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: than troops or boots on the ground, we might see
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: military planners or medical teams or some such.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: If it ever gets to that.
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: Well, time will tell. Chris.
• 39:11
  Speaker 20: There's more than thirty countries a part of the coalition
• 39:14
  Speaker 20: of the willing. Zelenski did tweet after they had their
• 39:18
  Speaker 20: meeting and mentioned that this was one of the key
• 39:20
  Speaker 20: things that they did discuss. It seems like it was
• 39:23
  Speaker 20: quite you know, a positive meeting between the pair and
• 39:27
  Speaker 20: definitely a very important one for the Prime Minister to
• 39:29
  Speaker 20: be able to, you know, have this time with the
• 39:32
  Speaker 20: Ukrainian president. You know, everyone is trying to meet with
• 39:36
  Speaker 20: him around the world. We've seen all the world leaders,
• 39:39
  Speaker 20: Kirs Starma, We've seen obviously Jade Vance meet with him,
• 39:44
  Speaker 20: you know, the Donald Trump over recent months. So this
• 39:47
  Speaker 20: was a really important meeting for the Australian Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 2: Sure was Thanks for being there for us, Sophia, I
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Sophiell's with their live from the one of
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: all city of Rome right outside the Colosseum there.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Look. Albanizi did well going to that.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: He did well going to Indonesia as his first trip
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: after the election. He was wise to go to the
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Pope's inauguration and catch up with lot of Mizelenski. He
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: would really impress me if he dropped into Israel on
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the way home.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: He should go to Israel. He was in the neighborhood.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Now, after the break, I'll catch up with Gematonieni and
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Caroline Russo. We'll talk about how the coalition is divided
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: over A zero and nuclear energy. We'll also talk about
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: this media cover up of Joe Biden's decline. We got
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: a fantastic panel, well half of it's fantastic. On a Monday,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Caroline Duruss, host of The Rural Report.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Joins us from Perth.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: But on the desk here with me, we've got Gemiton Yeni,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: who's a Collingwood supporter and mentioned.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: The bloody for me so.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Supporter, wishing you we all see you in September. Now
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: that's stick to politics.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Here, Caroline. Tell me everyone's got a view on this.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: What do you think the lib should do on nuclear
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: and net zero? As the wa president's the Liberal Party,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I should.
• 41:05
  Speaker 16: Point out, throwing me straight in it. Look ultimately, ultimately
• 41:11
  Speaker 16: it's a.
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  Speaker 12: Matter for the party room.
• 41:13
  Speaker 16: But I'm not really sure that whatever the position that
• 41:16
  Speaker 16: we had going into the election is the reason that
• 41:19
  Speaker 16: we weren't successful. So, you know, I just I really
• 41:23
  Speaker 16: think we go back to a bread and butter conversation
• 41:27
  Speaker 16: about about energy policy and what we actually think is
• 41:31
  Speaker 16: the best energy policy going forward. I'm not necessarily sure
• 41:35
  Speaker 16: whether relitigating net zero is going to solve all of
• 41:38
  Speaker 16: our problems.
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: I mean, ultimately chrease.
• 41:40
  Speaker 16: If you look at the last election, it was cost
• 41:43
  Speaker 16: of living that was the main issue for people. Maybe
• 41:46
  Speaker 16: we need to go back and actually have a look
• 41:48
  Speaker 16: at what the offering was there, and you know, the
• 41:52
  Speaker 16: messaging around that as to you know, I'm not necessary
• 41:57
  Speaker 16: I think I don't think this is a central issue.
• 42:00
  Speaker 16: Is the point that I'm making for and I think
• 42:02
  Speaker 16: we just get onto the policy of it rather than
• 42:05
  Speaker 16: the ideology of it.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely it's a point well made, Carolina.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: The idea that this somehow was the policy that swung
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the election one way or another or another is nonsense, Jemma.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: But it's one that they're focusing on now, and energy
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: is crucial. Do you think that they can abandon nuclear
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: or net zero?
• 42:22
  Speaker 21: You cannot have a conversation about either reducing emissions or
• 42:28
  Speaker 21: reducing the cost of energy in this country without including nuclear.
• 42:32
  Speaker 21: So is it a nuclear first policy?
• 42:34
  Speaker 12: Now, of course it's not.
• 42:35
  Speaker 21: It's an energy mix. It's always been an energy mix.
• 42:39
  Speaker 21: And in terms of net zero targets, I firmly believe
• 42:44
  Speaker 21: that the Liberal Party has an opportunity to reshape the conversation,
• 42:48
  Speaker 21: lead the conversation. Every time someone says net zero, we're
• 42:52
  Speaker 21: not talking about that. We're talking about cost of living
• 42:54
  Speaker 21: and best practice policy that the rest of the world
• 42:57
  Speaker 21: is embracing. The rest of the world is I don't
• 43:00
  Speaker 21: know if people know about a month ago, maybe six
• 43:03
  Speaker 21: weeks ago, the Chinese, using American technology that was developed
• 43:06
  Speaker 21: under Obama, finalized a functioning work small nuclear actor that
• 43:11
  Speaker 21: does not explode. It fails at closure. I mean, this
• 43:14
  Speaker 21: is the mining dot Com CALLD at a Sputnik moment,
• 43:17
  Speaker 21: and here we're still wetting our pants over the conversation.
• 43:20
  Speaker 12: So there's an opportunity to lead here.
• 43:22
  Speaker 21: And as for net zero targets, this government has missed
• 43:25
  Speaker 21: every target that it is set for itself. So let's
• 43:28
  Speaker 21: not pretend it's actually on a trajectory that's sustainable.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: It is laughable, really we're talking about twenty fifty. Were
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: cutting get next year, right, But we'll keep on that one.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I want to get back to us politics though, because
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I think this is crucial. It gets to so many
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: issues about our public debate in this country.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: And that is the way we all know.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: We talked about it on this program for years and
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: other programs, how we were lied to about Biden. We
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: could see he was not competent as president, and yet
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: they were telling us he was going to go on
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: and serve another term. And this new book out it's
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: called Original Sin, in which Jake Tapper and others exposed
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: the fact that Joe Biden wasn't up to the job
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: and that he couldn't really run for another term.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: And as I.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Showed you earlier, here is Jake Tapper explaining that, well, yeah,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: he admits, yeah, he was partly.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: To blame for this.
• 44:19
  Speaker 13: I think some of the criticism is fair, to be
• 44:22
  Speaker 13: honest of me, certainly, I'm not going to speak for
• 44:25
  Speaker 13: anybody else, but knowing then what I know now, I
• 44:29
  Speaker 13: look back at my coverage during the Biden years, and
• 44:32
  Speaker 13: I did cover some of these issues, but not enough.
• 44:36
  Speaker 13: I look back on it with humility.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Come on Caroline.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: That one is that the whole time it was obvious
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: from day one he wasn't up to the job, and
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: they all went along for the ride. They ran defense
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: for Joe Biden. They didn't scrutinize him.
• 44:54
  Speaker 16: No, totally, And in one particular interview, he actually went
• 44:58
  Speaker 16: really hard at Lara Trump for raising the issue of
• 45:01
  Speaker 16: cognitive decline.
• 45:03
  Speaker 12: So I think there needs to be a little bit
• 45:05
  Speaker 12: more than humility.
• 45:06
  Speaker 16: I would have used accountability, responsibility, and maybe a bit
• 45:11
  Speaker 16: of eating of humble pie. I mean, ultimately, this book
• 45:15
  Speaker 16: is a total ass covering exercise. I mean, these people
• 45:18
  Speaker 16: obviously want to stay in the political commentary arena. They
• 45:21
  Speaker 16: still want to be relevant, whatever exactly that looks like,
• 45:26
  Speaker 16: and so there has to be a little bit of
• 45:28
  Speaker 16: a mayor culper without too much of a maya culpa,
• 45:31
  Speaker 16: so that they.
• 45:33
  Speaker 12: Can try and stay relevant going forward.
• 45:35
  Speaker 16: But the simple fact of the matter is it was
• 45:38
  Speaker 16: so obvious with anyone with two functioning eyes that there
• 45:41
  Speaker 16: was something terribly wrong with the president, and then he'd
• 45:45
  Speaker 16: lose his midway through a sentence, and there'd be this
• 45:48
  Speaker 16: whole oh, we just hasn't had his warm cup of
• 45:51
  Speaker 16: milk in the afternoon Sun and he's a bit crotchety.
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: Well maybe that's actually the problem.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I think Jake Tapper and these people were
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: going to argue that they were conned, they were misled
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: by the President of the White House.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: It is laughable.
• 46:03
  Speaker 21: Well, what they actually did was commit a terrible offense
• 46:07
  Speaker 21: to the American voter because their job as journalists, I mean,
• 46:12
  Speaker 21: it's an uncomfortable, probably an unpopular thing to remind people
• 46:16
  Speaker 21: is it's to report the truth without fear of favor.
• 46:18
  Speaker 21: It doesn't happen at the ABC anymore. And that's not
• 46:20
  Speaker 21: a dig, that's a fact, to report the truth without
• 46:24
  Speaker 21: fear or favor, and particularly leading up to an election,
• 46:28
  Speaker 21: and particularly when you're talking about the capacity of him
• 46:32
  Speaker 21: to lead, the capacity of him to do his job
• 46:35
  Speaker 21: drive a car, for example, and particularly also in the
• 46:38
  Speaker 21: context of the lies that were told about Trump's cognitive
• 46:42
  Speaker 21: decline in his first term, which was an absolute lie
• 46:45
  Speaker 21: manufactured by the political left. So I don't think any
• 46:49
  Speaker 21: of these people should be working in their roles anymore.
• 46:51
  Speaker 21: They have broken trust with the American public and that
• 46:55
  Speaker 21: is their only job. That is their only job, is
• 46:57
  Speaker 21: to have trust with their audience and their audience can
• 47:00
  Speaker 21: watch them and trust that what they're saying is true.
• 47:02
  Speaker 21: He's saying, oh, I knew, but I kind of kind
• 47:04
  Speaker 21: of just did a little bit of a nudge Judge
• 47:06
  Speaker 21: Win Wink. That's an absolute disgrace. Shame on every one
• 47:09
  Speaker 21: of them.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: It is just have a look again, it's how some
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: of the media were defending Biden.
• 47:16
  Speaker 10: This version of Biden, intellectually, analytically.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Is the best Biden ever.
• 47:24
  Speaker 11: He is sharp, intensely probing, and detail oriented and focused.
• 47:30
  Speaker 19: This is a man who is sharp, who is on
• 47:32
  Speaker 19: top of his game, who knows what's going on.
• 47:34
  Speaker 12: This guy's tough, he's smart, and he's on his game.
• 47:37
  Speaker 21: I mean they just liars.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, they just lies.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: As Jimmy says, let's have a look at the man
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: that were talking about.
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: An initiative relative to what we're going to do with
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: more border patrol and more a cybum officers.
• 47:51
  Speaker 9: President Trump, I really don't know what he said at
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: the end of this, and I don't think he knows
• 47:55
  Speaker 9: what he said either.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Look, Caroline, this is the point. They're just telling these lies.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: They must have known it was wrong at the time.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: It shows absolute disdain for the public. They're supposed to serve.
• 48:09
  Speaker 16: Oh absolutely, And look, there's a very good reason why
• 48:13
  Speaker 16: media and particularly reporting media. You know, there's meant to
• 48:17
  Speaker 16: be there's meant to be that that independence and that impartiality,
• 48:21
  Speaker 16: and it's and it's exactly that. And it's funny you
• 48:23
  Speaker 16: go through those snippets and those those talking points are
• 48:27
  Speaker 16: just rolling off the tongue, aren't they It's.
• 48:29
  Speaker 12: Really really really it was very smooth.
• 48:32
  Speaker 16: But but you know, it was just so obvious to
• 48:35
  Speaker 16: anyone who was watching.
• 48:38
  Speaker 12: And I'm not sure.
• 48:38
  Speaker 16: You know, we talk about declining, you know, respect for
• 48:43
  Speaker 16: the media and believing what people see on television, and
• 48:47
  Speaker 16: they're actually making their own beds.
• 48:49
  Speaker 12: As far as that is concerned you, you can't.
• 48:51
  Speaker 16: You can't then go on to say, oh, well there's
• 48:53
  Speaker 16: no public trust.
• 48:54
  Speaker 12: In the media. After something like that, it's totally understandable.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Super quickly. Well, anything change.
• 49:00
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 49:01
  Speaker 21: I think with thereat the encroachment of some non traditional
• 49:04
  Speaker 21: media outlets that are consistently breaking news and consistently demonstrating
• 49:09
  Speaker 21: that they are trustworthy and filling that gap, possibly you
• 49:13
  Speaker 21: never know.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Caroline and Jemma. We will head
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: to Peter quiplin. Now, I'll see you tomorrow night at five.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Cheers.