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Director Tricia Brouk on Using Your Influential Voice to Create a Lasting Legacy · The Daily Writer

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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the weekend edition of the Daily Writer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Each weekday, we bring you a short lesson that helps you live out the four practices of a great writer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Creativity, consistency, courage, and connection.
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  SPEAKER_02: Here on the weekend edition, we take a deeper dive into those topics through conversations with notable writers, as well as teaching that helps us apply what we're learning and also prepare for the week ahead.
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  SPEAKER_02: For more, you can visit us at dailywriterlife.com.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: When we consider the impact of our writing, there are many elements we pay attention to.
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  SPEAKER_02: We spend a lot of time thinking about our audience, our content, our strategy for reaching readers, our habits, our tools and technology, and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_02: But one important element of our writing that often gets overlooked is our voice.
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  SPEAKER_02: And according to my guest today, your voice is a vital element in your communication.
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  SPEAKER_02: In fact, she defines your voice as the fingerprint of your communication style.
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  SPEAKER_02: Her name is Trisha Brook, and she is an award-winning director who has worked in theater, film, and television for three decades.
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  SPEAKER_02: Her work includes the writing of two musicals, both produced in New York City, a one-woman show, and four documentaries, two eligible for Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences nominations.
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  SPEAKER_02: Tricia had an extensive career as a dancer performing all over the world.
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  SPEAKER_02: In addition to her work in the entertainment industry, she applies her expertise to the art of public speaking.
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  SPEAKER_02: Tricia founded the Big Talk Academy, where she certifies speakers in the art of public speaking.
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  SPEAKER_02: She has shepherded more than 50 speakers onto more than 15 TEDx stages in under three years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Trisha is also the host of the award-winning podcast, The Big Talk, which is where I first got to know her.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was part of her podcast production team for several years, and I was always impressed by Trisha's discipline and professionalism.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when it comes to the art of public speaking, using your voice, or showing up in the world as your authentic self, there's nobody I trust more than Trisha Brooke.
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  SPEAKER_02: In our conversation, we focused on some themes from Trisha's amazing new book called The Influential Voice: Staying What You Mean for Lasting Legacy.
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  SPEAKER_02: We talk about the importance of using your unique voice, how to deal with fear, her unique process for writing this book, and much, much more.
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  SPEAKER_02: Make sure and visit the Influential Voicebook.com to pre-order the book by December 18th to get some amazing bonuses.
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  SPEAKER_02: I promise you, whenever you pre-order the book, you will not be disappointed because not only is the book awesome, but the bonuses are really awesome as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: So let's get right to my conversation with Trisha Brook.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, Tricia, the first question I want to ask is why write a book on voice and why is this the perfect time to do that?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm really glad you're asking that, Kent, because as a former dancer, we are taught to not use our voice because we are communicating with our bodies.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are communicating on stage physically through the choreography.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if anybody has Netflix, you have to watch Hot Chocolate Nutcracker right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's incredible.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's about Debbie Allen's dance school and the hot chocolate nutcracker that she produces every year.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one of the things that she talks about when she's teaching these kids is you do not talk in class.
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  SPEAKER_01: You do not speak.
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  SPEAKER_01: You listen and you do the combination.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that is what a dancer grows up with.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't speak, you communicate with your physicality.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you speak, it is only because you're asked a question and you're required to answer that question.
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  SPEAKER_01: So growing up a dancer and never knowing I had a voice was really powerful when I realized I had a voice and that I had a gift for amplifying and elevating other people's voices.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I moved from being a dancer to being a director, a writer, a producer, it was my mission to give dancers an opportunity to speak.
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  SPEAKER_01: What does it feel like?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to try something new here?
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  SPEAKER_01: I wanted their opinion.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was very unique.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was something that I consciously did.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to have a dialogue, a collaboration.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to be a good listener as a director and a producer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that is what I have brought into my work as an author and into my work as a speaker coach.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the importance of voice is that we all have a voice.
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  SPEAKER_01: We all have a way of contributing in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the reason that this book is so important right now is because there's a lot of noise happening in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have all been thrust into a world of online communication.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that communication is loud, it's noisy, and it's not always dignified, it's not always loving, it's not always curious or respectful.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I've been living in New York City for three decades.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've lived through the AIDS epidemic, I've lived through the riots in Tompkins Square Park.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've lived through 9-11.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now we're living through a pandemic.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what's happened during this time is we have systemic racism finally being talked about.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have an impeachment hearing that went on.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have a pandemic where everyone on the planet is going through the exact same thing at the exact same time.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the first time in humanity, Kent, that we are faced with being connected.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: We can no longer say that we're not connected.
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  SPEAKER_01: We can no longer say that we are not one.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I was inspired to write this book.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is time now for everyone to have the opportunity to contribute with their special story, their powerful voice, in order to cultivate the change that is needed now more than ever.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's really powerful.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is there some element where you were motivated to help give other people their voice?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because in your experience in film, theater, dance, and related areas, were there times when you felt you were not allowed to express your voice, or that was a frustrating experience for you?
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  SPEAKER_02: So you want to help give other people those opportunities that maybe you didn't feel you had in specific situations.
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  SPEAKER_01: Without question, Kent, I was a dancer who had strong opinions.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was a dancer who was absolutely willing to improvise in the room with the choreographer.
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  SPEAKER_01: However, when the choreographer took my choreography and called it their own, that was not okay with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was seeing this happen over and over again.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was seeing directors treat actors and dancers less than.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was seeing this happen because that's what happens in showbiz.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I wanted to make it very clear when I stepped into the role of leader, whether it was director or producer or speaker coach, I wanted to create a safe space so that I could get the most out of my actors so that I could see beyond what they could see.
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  SPEAKER_01: I work with people who have potential.
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  SPEAKER_01: I see it in them even if they don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's one of my gifts.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm able to amplify and elevate their voices and help them tell their story.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I see the potential, I see the influential voice in everyone, and being able to create a safe space so that they can share their message and become empowered and transform into that person who is going to make a difference in the world and potentially give permission to the folks that they come in contact with permission.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that ripple effect of everyone being able to step into their power and into their truth, whether it's speaking across the table from your family in a boardroom or from a big stage.
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  SPEAKER_01: This kind of communication with dignity and respect and love and listening skills is how we make the world a better place.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I'm so passionate about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, yes, it is important to me to change the story around hierarchy, directors, producers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I gotta be in charge, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I need to set boundaries, I need to create a space where people know they can trust me and that I'm in charge.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that doesn't mean making anyone less than ever.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your book seems timely in some really fascinating ways.
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  SPEAKER_02: In fact, I've I've always been kind of a huge movie and TV geek and all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's been so fascinating that just this year, you know, the entertainment industry has changed uh radically.
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  SPEAKER_02: And even the way that people consume entertainment, the way movies and TV shows are going to be made and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it it just seems like your book has these multiple, multiple implications, not just for individual voices, of course, but also for the way that our voices get disseminated, even in the highest ranks of entertainment and influence and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just really fascinating that that you had the insight to create this book and to share this message in ways that a year ago nobody would have been able to anticipate.
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  SPEAKER_02: I find that really, really fascinating.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like this has been an opportunity of innovation and creativity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're all being given an opportunity to look at the bigger picture and to dig a little deeper.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that means really understanding your purpose and your values and your mission, which is what creates an influential voice.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you're walking around in the world without understanding who you are, you can't contribute at your highest potential.
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  SPEAKER_02: So true.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's really important for people to start with just understanding who they are and how they want to show up in the world so that they can leave a lasting legacy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And my experience in showbiz and film and theater is it makes me who I am.
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  SPEAKER_01: So by telling the stories around that, it's going to give other people permission and the insight to trust that the lives they live are going to be able to inform who they are as communicators.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it might be helpful at this point to take a minute and let me just ask, just so all my listeners are on the same page, what does voice actually mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because people may have different ideas about what that actually means, what that entails.
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  SPEAKER_02: Can you take a second to really clarify for us what does this concept of voice really mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think the concept of voice means the the fingerprint of your communication style.
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  SPEAKER_01: We all have unique points of view.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of our fingerprints are unique to us, and the way you communicate, whether it's by dancing, whether it's by writing, whether it's by orating or parenting, that is having a voice.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I want to highlight that and illuminate that for people because there's a lot of folks walking around unconscious.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of people walking around not really knowing that the power of their words is having an effect on somebody for the rest of their life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And good or bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: So having a voice means knowing that the way you show up in the world and your contributions are going to affect people.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's the way I think of having a voice.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's listening, it's communicating, it's showing up, it's having compassion, it's having empathy.
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  SPEAKER_01: It makes us who we are.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when we become conscious of how we use our voice in the world, all of a sudden, the possibility of how we can support others, serve humanity, increase our joy in the world and in our lives, it all opens up.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's interesting that you mentioned the word empathy.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've had a lot of conversations this year with people about that exact topic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because as you mentioned, we're so connected, you know, and of course, we're both American citizens, and I've had a lot of conversations with people about, you know, the concept that we've sort of for a long time had this kind of policies of, you know, America first and America's the greatest country in the world, and and on all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, there, and I have listeners on all kind of sides of politics and all that jazz.
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  SPEAKER_02: But but the reality is that we do live in an interconnected world, and what we do influences everybody else.
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  SPEAKER_02: For someone who maybe this year has been awakened to a sense of that they need to develop more empathy.
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  SPEAKER_02: How does somebody start to do that?
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  SPEAKER_02: How do you start to develop more of an awareness of, you know, we live in a multi-cultured world, we have a very diverse world, but maybe somebody has only kind of existed in their little sliver of the universe or their little bubble?
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  SPEAKER_02: In your experience, what are some ways that people can start to become more empathetic and open their hearts to the awareness that we have a very diverse world?
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's important for us to not just embrace that, but celebrate it and that our lives are made richer by people who are different than us.
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  SPEAKER_02: How can somebody grow their heart in that respect?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Grow their heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, let's inspire people to grow their hearts around this tent.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's so powerful.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, part of what inspired me to write this book was not only what was going on around the world with the pandemic, but it was the impeachment hearing.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was um Amar Arbury, Brianna Taylor, and uh George Floyd's murder.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I went into action right away, and I invited uh several of my friends of color to have a roundtable discussion, the big talk roundtable, uh conscious conversation about race.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was important for me to find out how I was part of the problem and how I could be part of the solution.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what I learned from that conversation, one of the many amazing things I learned from that conversation, is that being in action and asking questions and being conscious of not having all the answers or being right is important.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody's talking about and the importance of allyship, right?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about what being an ally means.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: You have to earn the right to be an ally.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you aren't just an ally because um you think you're an ally, you have to be in action so that you are seen as an ally.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think um, in terms of opening up your heart to the potential differences we have, has to be conscious.
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  SPEAKER_01: It has to be a choice, it has to be a decision, and you have to be willing to not have all the answers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you have to be willing to do your homework.
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  SPEAKER_01: Going to your friends of color and saying, How should I behave is not their problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is that's a truth, it is your problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's really important for you to do your homework, to become informed, to be um unafraid of not knowing what to say and to being in action.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that's how we come together.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's also being an influential voice isn't being perfect.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're human beings are flawed.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you walk around thinking you are perfect and you have all the answers, you're preventing yourself from growing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's definitely not being an influential voice.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think it's really being conscious and being in action and being willing to not have all the answers.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's hard for a lot of people because if you grew up in a culture or you grew up with a mindset, maybe even in a household where it was assumed that you had all the answers and that your perspective is always right and your perspective has no flaws in it, that's kind of dangerous.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's a that's kind of a dangerous person, really, when you think about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because a person who always believes that they're right and doesn't have the capacity to admit that they're wrong or has more to learn, you can't really reason with a person like that, no matter what where what background they're from or anything.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's why I think modeling the behavior of empathy could potentially sway them to think differently.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: And we're not talking about we're not talking about uh everyone having the same opinion.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about having conversations that are respectful, that can coexist.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: So we're not talking about you know manipulating anyone into changing their mind.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's simply maybe you don't have all the right answers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if we can just potentially plant that seed of possibility, perhaps tomorrow you might think differently, which could have an entire ripple effect in your world.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you know, it's funny because many times I think culturally we see people who are different than us, and we resist those.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: Many times people resist those notions culturally, but that's the exact same thing that we have to do in any family relationship.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, my wife and I, we don't we don't always like the same music or the same food or anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you have to learn to live together with that person and appreciate them and love them and value them, even though you don't see everything the same way.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: So why can't we take that impulse in our marriage or family relationships and apply that society-wide or culturally?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's just it's interesting because the things that we do in our our actual daily relationships, we don't seem willing to do with in a broader sense in many ways.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: I love that you asked why can't we?
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think that is the million-dollar question.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for me, it goes back to the fact that the entire world is experiencing the coronavirus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nobody is um uh out of range for this.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: So if we continue to remind ourselves through this difficult time that we're all connected, then why can't we?
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: Something that you talk about in your book is this issue of fear, which I was so glad that you addressed this in the book, because uh, you know, this podcast is for writers and a lot of different creative types listen to it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And fear is a big, big deal whenever it comes to putting our voice out into the world.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why are we afraid to do this so oftentimes?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why are we afraid to say what we believe or stand up for what we believe or to put ourselves out there?
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  SPEAKER_02: What is it that we're so afraid of?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's a we're afraid of being judged, we're afraid of being criticized, we're afraid of even being hated.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: The idea that we're not liked by how we communicate our opinions is devastating to people.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: We want to we want to be liked, we want to be invited into the tribe.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: And if we're exiled, that's the worst possible thing we could experience as a human being.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the big fear, in my opinion.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's hard.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's hard.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know, life is kind of like high school where none of us wants to be uh not in the cool kid group, however, however, we define that.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: So that that is difficult.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: So for for for people who are feeling fear around that, what are some ways that they can deal with that fear or take action in spite of their fear?
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's really important to remember that you're not going to be liked by everyone, and it doesn't matter if you stand in your truth and go after what you desire in the world and understand your purpose and your values and your mission, and you are congruent in all times when you're talking about what you care about and in alignment.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: The right people are going to hear your message, and the the people who are not on your team, on your side, they will be deflected just like Teflon because you're so sure that showing up as this person in the world is going to make a difference.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think Maya Angelou cared about whether people liked her?
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: She was right, she was relentless about her mission and her passion, which was to communicate in a way that would inform and change and inspire people.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: And it's really important to remember that it's not about you as well.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: If you're showing up every day and in service, you have to be in service.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: And if you are afraid that somebody's not going to like you, if you're afraid you're going to um offend someone, if you're afraid You're going to create a disconnection, you have to be super clear that first of all, going back to purpose, values, and mission, if you're on point there, then you're going to stay in alignment and be authentic.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it's that's great, it's going to be what you need to be talking about.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: And remembering that it's not about you because when you make it about you, you aren't going to reach the people that you need to.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to get in your own head, self-sabotage is going to start, limiting beliefs are going to get in the way, and then all of a sudden you're going to get small again.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: When really you need to always be in service.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how an influential voice shows up every single day.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's never about you.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: And whenever we are so concerned about what other people think about us, there's almost an arrogance that's involved in that because we're giving people too much credit for thinking about us more than they probably are.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I was telling somebody that just a couple of days ago that so my world is books and writing and ghostwriting.
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  SPEAKER_02: And even in the times where I see a book that is just it's badly written, it's just not good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe the cover is really bad.
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  SPEAKER_02: Still, I can look at that objectively, but I still have immense respect for that writer because they had the courage to put a book out into the world.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: Even if it's not objectively a good book, I still respect that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So maybe we're giving people too much credit for thinking about us all the time when we're so afraid of what they're going to think.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Probably they're really not.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: I would agree.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: I would agree.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're probably really not going to think poorly about it.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: Except for those trolls on Amazon who, you know, leave bad reviews and um chase us on social media and all that kind of stuff.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: There are those kind of weirdos out there, I suppose.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: So something I do want to ask about is because this is a writing podcast and I'm personally fascinated by writing processes and rituals and habits.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: Talk to us a little bit about how you actually wrote this book.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: How long did it take?
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  SPEAKER_02: What was your ritual for doing it?
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: Did you have any specific habits in place?
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: Tell us about the actual construction of creating the book.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a dancer, as you know, former dancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that means I'm extremely disciplined.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: So when I decided to write the book, I sat down and I wrote it.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it was hard because I knew I wanted to finish this book during the period of time that I was supposed to be in Mexico with my husband, celebrating our 11th wedding anniversary.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: I had booked a trip for us in January of 2020 or June of 2020.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Clearly, we did not travel, we didn't go to Mexico, but I still had this 10-day period of time blocked off.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: So instead of allocating it back to work or sitting around watching television, I made the decision to write the book.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: And granted, I also had a book deal in place, so it was a very uh inspiring time for me to meet the deadline.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I was ahead of the deadline.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so I sat down on Monday and I finished the book on Friday and went back on Saturday and Sunday and made some tweaks.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I'm not talking it was perfect, it was the first draft.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I wrote the first draft in this period of time.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I went to my office every morning after my workout, after my meditation, and I wrote.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have any rituals around it because my entire career is about rituals in terms of what I do before I go on stage, what I do afterwards.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: I did celebrate that I had written the book for sure.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: I had some book cliquot, which is really good champagne.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but really for me, it was just getting the book done because it was so important to me that it be published during this period of time.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I do have to to uh compliment you on the book cover.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know whether the publisher designed that or you had somebody else design it, but I really love it.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't until we got on this call that it because something has been uh I'm not gonna say bugging me because that's not the right word.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: I've been trying to figure out why your book cover design, what bell that's ringing in my mind, and I just realized a few moments ago that it reminds me of the Talk Like Ted cover.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: And in my mind, I'm not even sure if it's totally the same colors.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: There's red, there's a white background.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: It reminds me of that, and that's such a brilliant move on your part because subconsciously in my mind, I was like, I see the cover and the the design, and I put that in the category of this book is about public speaking or about voice, you know, it's that category of things.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm not sure how that book cover design came about, but subconsciously, it it does a fantastic job of just taking the reader to that genre of books, at least it did for me, and I love the cover.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, fascinating.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually a sound wave, and that was my husband's idea, Joe Ricci.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: Great idea.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, really great idea.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted something very simple.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: I did not want my picture on the cover, I wanted it to be really clean and really inspiring and really grounded, which is why I chose the colors that I chose.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I did not think about that at all, uh, in terms of looking like a public speaking book.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was really um the sound wave was all about like the power of our voice.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm glad you like that.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love it.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_02: And um, of course, my first thought, and you know, in my day job, I'm a college teacher.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: And my first thought was finally, Trisha has a book that I can use for a textbook.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: I've been using your podcast in my classes literally for years.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: So now I finally kind of have it all in one package, which is awesome.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited, and I hope to one day come and speak for your class.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: That'd be a blast.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: That'd be a blast.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Trisha, this has been lots of fun.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it has been so much fun to be part of um, of course.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: I worked on your podcast for a long time and learned so much from that, and it was it's been so much fun to see your journey doing different things.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, it made my heart very happy to see you doing a book this year, which is really cool.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: But how can our listeners uh get the book and pre-order it?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: And you've got some bonuses there as well.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: How can they get all that goodness and find out more about your work?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much for having me.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's always a pleasure to communicate with you and to have conversations.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: The influentialvoice book.com is where you can go and pre-order.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: And by pre-ordering by December 18th, you're gonna get access to chapter one.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: You're also gonna get a recorded masterclass and workbook, and you're gonna get a free ticket to my virtual masterclass that happens in February.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: All of that, if you pre-order by December 18th at the influentialvoicebook.com.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: Trisha, thanks so much for all the value that you're adding to the world.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate the value you've added to my life and helping me to be a better communicator.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: And um, it's just exciting to see this book launch.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm sure it's going to impact people in amazing ways.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: I sure hope so.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Kent.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Trisha.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: That was an absolute blast.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I always love talking with Trisha because I learned so much, and not just about public speaking or about related issues, but just about how to be a successful person in general.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: And if I had to choose one takeaway from this conversation, I would say it's this.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: We need to get over ourselves.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: We spend so much time worrying about what other people think of us.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: Do they like us?
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: Do they dislike us?
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: Are they upset with us?
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: Do they approve of us?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so on and so on.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the truth is that people are thinking about you way less than you probably give them credit for.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: Most of us are thinking about ourselves so much that we don't spend that much time truly thinking about other people, which is not the way it should be.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we all should be less self-centered, but again, let's just admit our human nature.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: Most of us are thinking about ourselves most of the time.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's kind of just how we're hardwired as human beings.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: But even if somebody thinks bad about you, so what?
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: Who cares?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: I've heard it said that what others think of you is none of your business.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I think there's a lot of truth to that.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I'm not saying that we should let people just run roughshod over all of us.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I've ever used that phrase before, run roughshod.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's the first time on this podcast.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm not saying we should let people do that, or that we should let people humiliate us or uh insult us.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying we should just let people do those kinds of things without any kind of limits or without intervening or anything like that.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying we should disregard other people, but I'm just saying that we need to follow Trisha's guidance here and use our authentic voice to impact others at a deeper level.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's no need to fear.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: Your authentic self as a writer and an artist is just what other people need.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody else can take your place.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: You have a singular, unique voice in the world.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: You have a singular, unique fingerprint to that voice, as Trisha talks about in our conversation.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: And you have the responsibility and the opportunity to use it.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I love this conversation.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: I love the book.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: So again, I encourage you to go out and pre-order that by December 18th.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: That way you can make sure and get those bonuses.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: You can go to theinfluentialvoicebook.com to do that.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I want to thank my very special guest, Trisha Brooke, for taking the time out of her very busy schedule to be on the show.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_02: You can also check out Trisha's podcast called The Big Talk, or you can visit her website at Trisha Brook.com to learn more about Trisha and all of her awesome work.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: And also, if you enjoyed this episode, please give her a shout out on Instagram at Trisha underscore Brook.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: And that's B-R-O-U-K.
• 32:12
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• 32:15
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• 32:20
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• 32:22
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• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: As always, remember that your writing has the power to change lives.