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gaylor pulse check! feat. jordyn (djcrocs) · gasp! the pod

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OK, welcome back, everyone, to GAS the pod, the podcast for the
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gays, the girls and especially the gay girls.
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And we have another very special guest.
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Jordan, I think you're the first person to come back for a second
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time on my. Podcast I'm honored I'm.
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Very excited. I mean, we had such a fun time
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last time. I think we were talking about
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like predictions for like Gaylord predictions, like after
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the Heiress tour and we did not predict the life of a showgirl.
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And now? We are here for reviews that
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left the showgirl and just talking about, like the
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performance artler of it all, the state of Gaylordism and why
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it seems like there's a reinvigoration towards caring
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about us. So obsessed with us and our
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thoughts. Gab a little bit because it's
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been a little bit of time. Yeah.
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So yeah, welcome back. Thank you, I'm so excited to be
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here. My Gaylord best seat before we
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Anyway, let's get into the life of showgirl reactions because we
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didn't get to like actually talk right after the life of
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showgirl. And I wanted to talk about just
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like our first thoughts if it's grown on you and like our
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favorite songs, least favorite songs, etcetera.
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For me, when I first listened to it and I did go live and I was
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like already so annoyed from the clip that I had seen of her on
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the Graham Norton Show that I was like set in a bad mood
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because I was like, this is going to be tradway central.
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When I saw her outfit, I just like renew and then like
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progressively as the songs went on, I was just like in a bad
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mood. But I do feel like they have
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grown on me. I still don't think it's her
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best album. Me too, 100%.
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The first few songs I was like, OK, like I kind of see what
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we're doing here. But yeah, I feel like it got
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progressively worse and like, not that it all sounded the
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same, but I was like waiting for, I don't know.
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I kept like waiting for the like, you know, like that Taylor
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like hit of like, oh, OK, here we go.
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Like now we're really in the album and it just like never
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like TTPD. I feel like like guilty as sin.
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Once we got to that, I was like, OK, here we go.
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You know, like the first few songs are always kind of like
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the build up, the more like singles and then it really hits
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and I like didn't experience that with the life of a
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showgirl. I felt like it like went down,
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absolutely listened like. It started out the best it was
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and you never want that to be. The right like no exactly you
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want it to like progress and the only like saving grace for me on
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my first listen was the life of a showgirl song.
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And they're like, wow, she came out.
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I said to live in my dream like that.
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I was like, OK, finally, like we get something.
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But they're right before that I was I was listening with my
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girlfriend and my best friend and we've all were like, what
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what's happening here? Like where is the where are the
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bridges? I feel like that's something
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that really lacks in this album for me is like a lot of the
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songs don't really have that, like strong bridge of
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absolutely, here we go. There's been so much chatter
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about like, has Taylor Swift ever actually been good?
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And I think that she, not to sound crazy, anticipated that
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and knew she might have had like a falling from grace like in one
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of these poems. I think it's like the shiny bug
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poem. She's like, one day they'll put
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the mirror up to my face again and like scrutinize me again and
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wonder if I whatever, whatever. And I hope that that's like
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intentional. It's so strange to see her go
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from such strong writing and not even necessarily just in the
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lyrics department, like you said, like the bridges, like,
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like it builds up. Like she does that so well and
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we don't see that at all in this album.
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It's almost like she has to try to not do that because she has
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like random vault songs that that do that.
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And like, now that We Don't Talk wasn't put out for 10 years, but
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like, we don't get one. I don't know, even from Taylor.
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Yeah, It doesn't Rev up as much as I feel like it can be,
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especially when you're pitching it as like a.
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Pop album, right Well, and there was so much like hype for this
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album with like he's working with Max Martin and Shell back
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again and like had been creating it on the air store.
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And I feel like the aesthetic of the album is so Kunti and so
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like the photo shoots and the violent, like all of it is so
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good. And then the music doesn't
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necessarily match that. And I think that's, like, hard
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for me to, like, connect. But I also do feel like, yeah,
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that is part of the, like, the performance art of it.
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All right? And the fact that she went from
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TTPD to the life of a showgirl, like to me, it read as like,
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this is what you guys want from me.
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Like this is what the Trav wives and the people who are so
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obsessed with my relationship with Travis Kelsey.
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Like you want me to be in love and dignitized and like all this
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shit. So I'm gonna like, give that to
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you. I'm waiting for and hoping for
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the like, the bait and switch, you know, like, where's the
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switch on? Cuz like OK.
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This is the bait. Right.
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So now where's the switch? Cuz like I.
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And I think she, and now I mean, we're kind of skipping past like
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where our notes are, but this is what we do.
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Anyways, she says like I wanted to do the character of the poet
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for TTPD and now I'm in the character of the showgirl.
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And it's like she's well aware that like she had 31 songs right
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on TTPD and it's kind of like scatterbrain all of her thoughts
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like a poet would. And now these are like only a
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few of these kind of like lacking depth songs because
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she's like giving people what they want.
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I think she saw the criticism from TTPD and was like, oh
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people don't want like in depth stories like Cassandra like
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which Tavis stands have actually listened to Cassandra I and if.
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They do. Do they actually?
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Understand, right. And so she's like, yeah, she's
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like great, this is an album for the gaylors, right?
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I know I'll give you guys a Tavis album, but like feels like
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you're really being pushed to either think it's fully
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intentional or that she has been lobotomized you.
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Know literally it has to it has to be one of the two.
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Well, and that is I feel like this album only makes sense
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through a performance art lens, right?
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Like if you're looking at it otherwise it is like, girl, what
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the what the fuck is happening here?
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Like unless you're looking at it through that lens of like, OK,
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this is part of the bigger picture and the show and almost
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the fact that it's the life of a showgirl.
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Like I was anticipating music about being on the Errors tour,
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right? Like I was anticipating like
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Clarabeau Lucky 1 style music. And we got that with the life of
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a showgirl. Like the title track only.
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But the rest I almost feel like she's like throwing it in
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people's face of like trying to make the point so clear.
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Like the life of a showgirl is the showgirl that's dating
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Travis Kelsey, right? The showgirl that puts on this
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like Disney Princess relationship for you guys like
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happy ending fairy tale love story shit.
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Like that's the showgirl character, like she said in
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those interviews, Because otherwise it doesn't make sense
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for it to be right, the life of a showgirl and then to be would
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like, right, and all these other things that I'm like, this does
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not fit with this aesthetic unless you're looking at it from
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like totally. Her relationship with Travis is
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part of the show, you know, Totally.
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Yeah, It's like she's like, I'm performing in my life as well.
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Like I'm still on the stage. You had such potential for such
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an interesting sound that she's never done before with, like,
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saxophones and trumpets and, like, so easy to.
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It's so easy to get a sample from, like, some 1940s song at
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it in the beginning. Like Lord knows she took she
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took questions from the Jackson 5 without asking.
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But like, and I'm like, what's with that?
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I cannot get behind a lot of these songs.
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Like even if like you take away the Dick lyrics of Wood and
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you're like, OK, maybe it's about the strap, which like
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loves on interpretation. My girlfriend sings that every
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time. Like stratmatize me?
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Love that. Who calls a Dick a magic wand?
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Right, right. Like that's giving vibrator to
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me and that's giving, it's giving me a Chapel.
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Like I got a wand and a rabbit exactly an actual real life
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like. I know I hate that I already
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said it 2 times it's been like 5 minutes, but like even if you
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take away the I don't know the lyrics of it would and actually
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romantic, which I actually am obsessed with sounds like
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copycats of other songs and I'm just like how did is that
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purposeful? Like what do you think of that?
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Or do you think that's just kind of like?
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I don't like, I feel like it has to be purposeful because she has
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to know she's under such a like microscope and people scrutinize
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her so much that people are going to see that and pick up on
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that, right? People are looking at her so
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close and like, so scrutinizing her that they are going to pick
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up on that. And so I feel like that has to
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be intentional too. But my question is there why?
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And then why give George Michael credit for father figure but not
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give the Jackson Five credit? You know, like what?
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Right. I think there's certain songs
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she knew that she wanted to write for this album, like
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Elizabeth Taylor, Father figure, the light of the Showgirl, the
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fate of Ophelia. Did I say that?
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I don't know. And then I think everything else
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she just kind of like threw together, yeah, threw together.
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And I think the idea is like, this is not Taylor's version.
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This is not really her speaking to us.
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Like I was listening to Showgirl's version, right?
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Which is maybe a copycat of other songs and other retro
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songs. Because she is not really like
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giving us her a real human. Perspective, right?
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And I kind of feel bad from bad for Max Martin and Shellback
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because I feel like she's just had more vulnerable pieces.
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Like I think the album is very interesting when you look at it
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in a performance artler way, but it's just a very different type
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of album to consume. Like it's not.
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Yeah. Even gonna be like reputation.
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The legacy of it is maybe gonna be different than other albums
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or Reputation. I feel like was really hated at
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1st and then people but I think it was hated because like
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culturally she was really hated at that.
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Time. Yeah, but right now she is like,
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I mean, before this album came out, she was like at the peak
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and like so beloved and people are so obsessed with her.
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And now it's the album that's making people be like, which is
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like different than Reputation. Like Reputation was just hated
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because she was hated culturally at the moment.
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But this it's like she was loved and then people heard it and
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we're like, what the fuck is? It's like the reputation like
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which I'm like, is that is that the point?
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Because I also like listening to Taylor Swift for my entire life.
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I just cannot believe that in like eldest daughter.
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I literally have it like blocked on my phone.
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Oh no, I can't. Listen to it, I can't.
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I deleted that and cancelled off my like the life of a showgirl.
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How Like you can delete it on Spotify play?
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Like my friend cancelled it's so on.
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Ironically bad. Like so bad.
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Do you ever see the people on TikTok that are doing the, like,
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dance where they're looking really like, Oh, yeah, yeah,
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yeah. My girlfriend anytime.
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Because sometimes I just like STEM.
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Like, good thing. Yeah, my friends.
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And every time she's like, like, that's that.
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Energy it gives. To me, I'm just, it is so like
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it has to be, it has to be satire, genuinely and serious,
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she said. We all.
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Dressed up as as wolves and fire.
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Like I'm like what? At least was like so high
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school. It's like so clear that there's
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a lacking depth here. And it's like so fruity.
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Like half of the songs on this album are for that reason, like,
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and she knows that she can put in the bare minimum and make a
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lot of money from it because she's attracting Tavis people.
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It's like a literally a Tavis fruit album.
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But she says she goes in and out of character.
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And on some of the one of these TV interviews, she was like,
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yeah, I go in and out of character in this album.
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And it's like so contradictory because she didn't say on the
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New Heights podcast, she's like, this is the life.
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This is my real life. And it's like, you're such a
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liar, like you. No one can.
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Defend her being truthful anymore.
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And I you've been saying this a lot, like that is so
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intentional, but you can't even tell what she actually cares
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about, what she doesn't, what she actually means in the song,
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what she doesn't like. It's just getting so obvious.
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Right. She's making it so obvious that
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like, I feel like she's wanting people to call her out on it.
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You know what I mean? Like she is like saying things
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in one interview and then saying completely different things in
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another interview and just waiting for someone to be like,
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hello, what are you saying? Like I'm not online.
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I'm not an online person, but I'm on your blog, girl.
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I'm on your sourdough blog. Like I'm not online, but I was
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scrolling after the era's tour show.
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She was traveling, right? So I'm like, which is it?
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Are you not online or are you scrolling?
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Are you liking videos or are you baking bread like it can?
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Which? 1 and I feel like she has been
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publicly lying since midnight's era like in interviews and
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different things she's saying and it just keeps louder and
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louder and like she's wanting because ever since that fucking
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interview where she called the glitter in the anti hero music
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video midnight blue glitter, I've been like bitch, I don't
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trust anything that's purple that's purple and you know it
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and we know it I'm. Seeing a lot of people getting
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like understanding gaylors that are like not necessarily like
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huge Taylor Swift fans or at least like not in the cult of
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Taylor Swift where they feel like they need to defend
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everything she does where they're like we will.
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This actually makes more sense if you look at it from a
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performance Artler, giggler perspective.
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So I'm seeing some more people because it feels like it's
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really drawing a line in the sand.
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And that feels intentional. Like it's she's at the peak of
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her fame. You have to do something very
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different from what you usually do in order to make people who
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are in a cult not like your music, right?
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So like, right, it felt very intentional.
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So I feel like there's either people that are like, do Gaylors
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have a point? And like I'm seeing a lot of
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people that have never been on Gaylord TikTok being like so
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true. And then I think there's a lot
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of other people that are like scared of the reality that
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Taylor Swift could be lying to us or the performance could be a
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performance and not the true her and that they don't know her
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better than we all do. And I'm.
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So obsessed with like knowing her and being like, I, that's
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my, that's my emotional support pop star.
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That's my like close personal friend Taylor.
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So like I see people saying that in their videos all the time.
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And I'm like, I get it's a joke, but it also doesn't really feel
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like a joke where I'm like, I genuinely feel like there are
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people who feel that way about her.
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Like, and I'm like, yes, as someone who's like grown up with
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her music has gone to every single tour except for
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reputation because I didn't have money and I was in college, like
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and like has every single album. I like listen to it and I'm
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like, that brings me back to like this era in my life, this
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time of, you know, like I, I, I don't, I don't know her and I
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don't feel like I know, you know, like I know her music, I
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know her art. I know the story she tells, but
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like I would never be like she's my bestie.
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My close person is like Taylor Swift.
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Like that's that's weird. That's like, and otherwise, like
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I got so much fucking hate after I went to the Ayers tour last
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year and I said like, Oh my God, she looked me in the eyes.
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So many people were like, no, she didn't, she doesn't know who
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you are. She didn't see you.
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And I'm like, OK, so when I say that it's not OK, but then
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there's people who are like, she's my bestie.
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I know everything about her. Like or I went to 1 secret
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session so I can say da da da. I can speak on this where it's
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like, no, you don't know her. And I do think she like has
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definitely had a part in creating that relationship
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absolutely with her fans of like the fact that she was so online
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in her early eras. We.
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Built her career on being like relatable, yet so specific about
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her own life. That's like truly such a fine
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line that like I don't think anyone else has walked.
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So I think that I mean, even the way that she she styles herself,
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even if it's like Gucci, it looks attainable.
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It doesn't look like she's this rich mean bitch that no one can
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meet and talk to because I think like that's her whole appeal.
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And I think that's why. Especially.
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Store like right, especially with Tavis because and it's so
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fun. I see this comments all the time
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and I'm like, how do you guys not see it?
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They're like it is so such a blessing that we get to see that
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their love, their love story start.
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It's like right, it's not normal normal.
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See every aspect of a celebrity's beginning to end
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relationship. Think about Dua Lipa and Caleb
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Turner. Did we see the first date?
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They went on like I didn't. Even know they were like.
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I don't know, a normal straight celebrity couple, we don't see
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every one month in, they're here.
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One month in, they're here. And like, we didn't even see
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that with Joe Allen. We didn't see that with anywhere
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else. It's not because she's just
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famous. It's because that was on
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purpose, because she knows that her fans are wanting to live
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vicariously through every single single thing that she does.
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So they think they know everything she does and where
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she is at all times. So when someone else says, oh,
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what if this is the case? They're like, no, we already
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know her and that's not actually true.
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And and I'm like, I don't claim to know her exact sexuality.
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I think that she's queer. I would bet money that she's
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queer. But do I know for sure that she
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is like no, because I don't know her?
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Right. Do I know that she's like queer
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flagged for 15 years and like put all these very obvious queer
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flags and queer themes and reference queer artists in her
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work? Like yes.
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And that leads me to believe when I see people they're
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flagging, I'm going to assume they're queer.
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When I see someone wearing a bisexual flag wig making
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themselves the sheriff of gay town, yeah, I'm going to assume
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you're queer or you're a really shitty ally.
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Like those are the options. At this point she is either
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queer or she's a really really shitty ally.
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She either has a great plan and is going to help a lot of people
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with visibility, representation, etcetera, or she is making money
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off of gay people. Right, those are the options.
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Either intentional or it's not and I'm scared if it's not right
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like. So many people pick up on these
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themes like it's not like dealer is like necessarily a small
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group anymore. Like it has grown exponentially
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from the like kaylor Tumblr days was like where I got my gaylor
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awakening of being like theme. Oh, there was that's like Tumblr
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page. There was one single page.
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Feel like gaylor used to be a word just to describe like
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honestly like a fun little fandom word and it still is.
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People view it now like a political identity, like or like
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a like almost like a slur. And the way I'm hearing people
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being like, I think she's bi, but I'm not a gaylor queen.
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That's a gaylor. Like what are you talking about?
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It is not like I stamp like you are a gaylor like these hard
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lines. It's like just being like a
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community that picks up on queer stuff that Taylor Swift writes
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and then therefore then leads to the conclusion that probably
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Taylor Swift is queer and there are different levels to Gaylord,
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but it's really not that like intense of a thing.
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And I don't know, I just feel like fandom culture is just
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getting so intense. Glitch.
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What is your favorite and least favorite song on this album?
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OK well my least favorite I have two.
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My 2 least favorites are eldest daughter and cancelled.
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I can't listen to either of them.
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I am and hearing her explanation for cancelled.
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I was like, yeah, no, you won't be getting any streams for me on
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this one girly like I it was too, which I I saw in the notes.
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We're going to talk more about this and I can't wait for that.
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But it was too like mega adjacent for me of like her,
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especially with the people she is aligning herself with and
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spending time with lately, her being like, I don't judge people
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based on what others say about them.
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I'm just going to judge you based on kind of person you are.
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I'm like, yeah, that's exactly what my mega family says about
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people too. Like that is the exact same
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talking points that they use. And so I I can't do it.
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And I don't think canceled is about Brittany Mahomes, right?
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Like, I don't think that when she was writing it, that was her
22:37
intention. I think it's about like her, her
22:41
experience with getting canceled and like a critique of cancel
22:45
culture, I think was the interest of the song maybe.
22:48
But like, I also think she needs to take a step back and realize
22:54
how things are going to be read from her right now with who
22:59
she's aligning herself with and who she's spending time with.
23:02
And like, unfortunately, a lot of people are going to listen to
23:05
that song and be like, oh, this is about Britney Mahomes and
23:08
you're standing up for her Taylor.
23:10
And that I can't listen to it. I can't can't listen to
23:13
canceled. It sounds like the most evil
23:16
billionaire and not in a hot sexy way in like a I'm exactly
23:20
who you think I am. And I was like, who is?
23:25
Especially when she says welcome to my underworlds where it gets
23:29
quite dark. I'm like, are you Antichrist?
23:32
Who the fuck are you? Like it's like she doesn't even
23:35
care. She's like, yeah, you think I'm
23:37
MAGA? Yes, I am.
23:38
I'm evil. Like it's just like, what the
23:40
fuck, underworld thing? It feels again, like just
23:43
leaning into whatever people are saying about her.
23:46
Like, yeah, I am MAGA. Yeah, I do suck Dick.
23:50
But like I was watching the Karma music video and it feels
23:54
so karma of when the when the set or the book flips and she's
24:00
like in the underworld with the devil.
24:02
She's got the mask, yeah, and. It feels like she's playing into
24:04
that because, right, I don't think that she is like defending
24:09
being friends with Brittany Mahomes.
24:11
I don't think that's what the song is about.
24:12
But I think she knows that people would have taken that
24:14
way. And I think she literally
24:16
doesn't care. And, and I think she doesn't
24:19
care because she is perhaps trying to cancel herself with
24:23
this album or at least cancel the the self of Taylor that is
24:28
with Travis Kelce. Someone is like, you know, maybe
24:30
the Gaylors are on to something because Taylor Swift's coming
24:34
out right now would really like flip the script on her personal
24:39
brand. And I was like that made and
24:41
that's the point. Y'all Like that she is trying to
24:43
make herself so hated, like, yeah.
24:48
But then she can like flip the script, you know what I mean?
24:50
Like wait, which like I don't necessarily think that's like
24:53
ethical if we want to get into that, but like it's like we're
24:56
beyond absolutely what I feel like she's trying to do.
25:00
Like, like you said, like trying to get herself cancelled and
25:02
trying to make herself like so polarizing like.
25:06
And then I know we've been talking about the potential of
25:09
like the death of a showgirl and like killing off the showgirl.
25:11
I've like me and you will like agree on that.
25:13
But then I'm thinking about it. It's like what if her version of
25:16
killing off the showgirl is just canceling herself?
25:19
Like what if you're experiencing the death of a showgirl right
25:22
now where she is like killing off everything that people,
25:26
right? Expect of her.
25:28
But you were saying I was like, Oh my God, what if this is the
25:31
death of a showgirl? Like she's canceling herself?
25:33
Welcome to my underworld, where it gets quite dark.
25:36
I'm a. Pathological people pleaser.
25:38
I only want you to see me and that she was like there for so
25:41
long of her career and now she's gone to like the completely
25:44
other end of like, I don't don't give a fuck what anyone thinks
25:47
about me. This is what I'm doing.
25:49
And like trying to like burn it down.
25:52
And like you said, like kill off the showgirl by putting out this
25:57
album and like forcing people to like think critically about
26:01
their opinion about her and their perspective on her.
26:04
You know, she's done so far the other way that she's like
26:06
forcing people to like grapple with their, her social
26:11
relationships with her and their like view of her and what they
26:14
think of her. So absolutely.
26:16
No, you said something so interesting.
26:18
You were like, she's been a pathological people pleaser for
26:21
her whole career. If she was still thinking with
26:24
like that brain, would she make this music that she knows she
26:29
knows when she goes, I don't want that 1950s shit.
26:33
And then all of a sudden goes, actually, I was lying.
26:36
I do want just kids, the basketball.
26:38
I don't want to be a complex female character.
26:41
I don't want to be a complex female character is really what
26:45
has sat here. But she knows that that's going
26:48
to be a complete 180 and doesn't care that people are going to
26:52
hate her for it. I think you're right.
26:54
Like she is no longer the Taylor Swift that cares what people
26:57
think. If she doesn't care that people
26:59
think that she's MAGA, does she care if people don't like that
27:02
she's gay? Right.
27:04
Like, right? Maybe she's decentering
27:07
approval. Self from the.
27:09
Narrative herself from the narrative.
27:10
Yeah, This is why I say like this album only makes sense if
27:13
you look at it through a performance art alert lens and
27:16
wish list. My first listen to I was like,
27:19
so turned off by that song. You are a billionaire.
27:23
You can have whatever you want. Like you can have the bags and
27:29
the purses and the yacht life and all this shit that you're
27:32
singing about, like. She has it.
27:34
That's why I think she's a liar. Everything she's talking about,
27:37
how she doesn't want, she actually does have already and
27:40
does want and she's talking about herself, but she switches
27:43
it a little bit. She goes the Oscar.
27:45
Meanwhile she's wanted the Grammy.
27:47
Every time she puts out an album, we know she wants a
27:49
Grammy. Like we saw how she mourned
27:51
after Reputation how she wanted a Grammy for Lover and also
27:53
didn't get one. Like we know that.
27:55
And then she's like yacht life. Like she's always fucking
27:58
around, like traveling in yachts, like in the South of
28:01
Italy, like the dogs you call your kids, but it's actually
28:05
just cats for her. Like everything.
28:07
She switches a little bit like the chopper.
28:10
She means her private jet like. Even in like Elizabeth Taylor,
28:16
Elizabeth, one of the songs she says like I would trade the
28:19
Cartier for someone to trust, just kidding, just kidding, just
28:22
kidding, I wouldn't. And then a wish list.
28:25
She completely contradicts that. Like in her own album, she is
28:29
contradicting herself. In and out of care.
28:30
Because. The other thing is, like, we
28:32
know that she made this music with Max Morgan and Schellbach.
28:36
Usually she writes kind of on her own or like sends files
28:41
back, writes on her own over the course of time and then goes and
28:44
records it or like puts it together and produces it.
28:48
And like sometimes isn't in the studio.
28:49
But it's interesting that it seems like all of these were
28:52
kind of written all kind of at the same time.
28:54
It feels like it's not her own feelings, like she's not going
28:58
through something. She wasn't randomly with Travis
29:01
and was like, I need to pull up my notes out and let me write
29:03
the song, honey. She was like, OK, Max Martin
29:06
shell back. We need to write a love song
29:07
about Travis Kelce. Let's do it right now.
29:10
Like Bunny also to me is so the undertones are so queer.
29:14
Like I feel like it is very, like I've had men call me these
29:20
names. I've had men call me honey and
29:22
sweetheart and I didn't like it. But when you do it, when this
29:25
woman, you know, that's how I'm reading it anyways.
29:27
Like then suddenly it feels right.
29:30
Like I've had all these men do it and it didn't feel right.
29:33
But now when you do it suddenly, which is another thing she does
29:37
a lot in this album. Like I feel like I started
29:40
noticing this. I think Ren pointed it out on
29:42
TikTok like a few years ago. How often Taylor does the like,
29:46
He's over here doing this, but you're the one I'm singing to.
29:51
And it's just like unlabeled, no gender muse like.
29:57
And she does that a lot in the life of a showgirl.
29:59
It's the same thing with like hit Super where it's like all
30:02
these men you don't, it's like, wait, why aren't you part of the
30:05
category? Man, right, So Speaking of hits
30:08
different when Travis Kelce or the story about Travis Kelce
30:11
meeting Greta Gerwig and then being like, well, but not
30:14
actually saying it to Greta Gerwig, which I was like, I
30:16
don't buy this story. I'm sorry.
30:17
Like, I don't you mean to tell me Greta Gerwig didn't introduce
30:21
herself and be like hi. Hi, I'm Greta.
30:24
Gerwig, like I've she was just trying to like somehow work in
30:27
the fact that she could say that Travis Kelce was like, I'm just
30:30
Ken and then it's different. She says.
30:33
I used to switch out these cans. I just ghost The Bejeweled music
30:37
video after the proposal, she ghosts.
30:40
She made a point to bring up how Travis Kelsey said I'm just Ken.
30:45
Like that is immediately what I thought of.
30:46
I was like, oh, OK, so we're ghosting like that's why.
30:48
Yeah, like we haven't seen a topic here with Travis.
30:52
It felt like they kind of went cold a little bit.
30:55
And it doesn't really make any sense why?
30:57
Because she's doing all of this PR like she's doing.
31:02
She did a path walk by herself. She's doing talking so many
31:06
interviews we haven't seen her do in years, and yet Travis
31:10
isn't really a part of that. Love album about him.
31:13
She'd want to be like seen with him and having new pictures of
31:17
him and stuff. But like, we're not getting any
31:19
of yeah. Speaking of like Travis MAGA
31:23
canceled, etcetera, let's talk about Nazi Gate.
31:28
Quickly COD. Personally, I mean, I don't
31:33
think Taylor Swift is a Nazi. I just don't, I don't think
31:39
she's a Nazi. I don't think that she's MAGA.
31:40
I when I say magified Taylor Swift, I think it's because
31:43
like, that's how she's pitching herself to people.
31:46
And I think that's what a lot of people are getting.
31:47
Everyone's like or missing. Everyone's like, Oh my God, but
31:50
Taylor Swift hates Trump. It's like, yeah, I'm sure she
31:53
does. But at the same time, she is
31:55
centering herself with this community and is not caring to
31:59
clear anything up. And I think that's really the
32:02
point for me. But I also do think that that's
32:04
like intentional, Like I've been seeing these comments a few
32:08
times being like pretty much blaming Gaylors for the whole
32:12
Nazi allegation and it's. Like I saw that fucking video.
32:16
I saw that dude. Like dude, it's like, which is
32:20
crazy. You cannot just say objectively
32:24
objectively gaylors are majority queer non men.
32:30
And when you see an allegation and you're just going to throw
32:33
it on a group that has mostly minority people in it that are
32:39
by the way not harming you or Taylor Swift at all.
32:43
And to just send your followers towards people to harass is
32:47
objectively fucking crazy and really embarrassing and really
32:52
low brow. And the fact that people stand
32:55
for that is insane. Even though I know this creator
32:57
and I, he has way more followers than any of us because all they
33:00
do is just regurgitate positive to Taylor Swift and have no
33:04
fucking real opinions because they think they're one step away
33:07
from meeting Taylor Swift and they they're.
33:09
Getting invited to the next secret session, right?
33:12
And it's like, that's not by the way.
33:13
You're not even a content creator, you're just the news
33:15
channel that just repost the same shit because give me your.
33:18
Staff opinion it's always a white gay man at the scene of
33:21
the crime. I'm sorry.
33:22
Like there is a reason why so many people say a lot of white
33:26
gay men are gay, but they're not misogynistic.
33:29
Like you don't actually give a fuck about the queer community
33:33
because if you did like you don't have to like gaylors if
33:36
you are gay, that doesn't mean you have to be a gaylor.
33:38
Like you can have your own opinion, but you to like turn
33:43
your huge audience against gaylors is so disgusting.
33:48
And so, and also like it was so baseless, like there was no
33:53
actual criticism in there. Like I, I'm like, I'm all for
33:58
criticism. If you want to like call me out
34:00
on something if you want to say like, I didn't agree with this
34:03
take that you had great. Let's talk about it.
34:05
Let's have a conversation about it.
34:07
But like you are literally just pulling this out of thin air.
34:10
I saw KP say like it's just rage bait.
34:12
Like he's just trying to get clicks and engagement and make
34:16
money. I took a couple days after that
34:19
original video was posted to be like, yeah, you know, like I was
34:23
like, and most gaylors the I saw talking about it like, no, I
34:28
don't think that. I don't think that's what she
34:30
was trying to do with this. Like I think it's just an ugly
34:33
necklace, but like. This symbol, the lightning bolt
34:37
is used for everything and like she has used it before.
34:43
And so it's not until one person post this video that I think
34:47
because of all the MAGA allegations, it's it's like
34:50
swirling into maybe she's a secret Nazi.
34:52
I just don't think if she was a secret Nazi, she would be saying
34:57
gay pride makes me me. I don't even think that she
34:59
would be doing that. And I don't actually think that
35:01
she's MAGA. I think she's not MAGA, but it's
35:04
just like aligning herself with this because this is the
35:06
character she's doing. And yes it's probably not doing
35:09
good in the short term. I personally am an optimistic
35:13
when it comes to her and I believe in the best but like
35:16
thing with a lightning bolt, it's just like there's a
35:19
lightning bolt on your charger. Right now, like, come on.
35:22
Like, right, right. No, I don't know.
35:24
There's a difference between like, like, I think it is very
35:27
important to criticize Taylor Swift and to call her out and to
35:30
be like, yeah, girl, it makes me I I don't like that you're
35:33
hanging out with Brittany Mahomes.
35:35
I don't appreciate that. You were fighting Trump on
35:38
Twitter a few years ago, and now you're hanging out with people
35:40
who love him. But like, I don't think she, I
35:43
don't think she's Maggie either. I think she is just a rich
35:47
billionaire. Yeah.
35:48
Unfortunately, politics don't really affect her that much,
35:51
Like. And so she can be comfortable
35:54
hanging out with of these people and just like totally talk about
35:58
we just don't talk about politics, you know, like it's
36:01
very families at Thanksgiving of like we're just we just don't
36:04
acknowledge it. We're just all here together and
36:06
we just love each other and like totally I but I don't think she
36:10
is like mega. I think she is just like not
36:13
even like politically indifferent, but like has given
36:15
up on saying anything, which I think she's given.
36:18
I don't appreciate that. Like I don't like that.
36:21
I wish she would. I wish she would use her
36:23
platform. I saw that like the Otter shirt
36:26
that she, she was wearing raised like $2,000,000 overnight for
36:30
the aquarium that she that it was from like they like, or like
36:34
you can buy this shirt if you make a donation to the aquarium.
36:37
And I'm like, great. Imagine if she posted something
36:40
about Palestine, you know, like how much money she could raise
36:43
for Palestinian families. Where I'm like, yes, I do wish
36:46
she would use her platform for these things.
36:49
And then she's given up on it. And I think that's part of the
36:52
like, I just don't care what people think about me anymore.
36:55
Totally character that she's putting on.
36:58
We can criticize her for that, but I think when it goes so far
37:02
as to saying like this lightning bolt necklace means she's a
37:05
Nazi, then it loses validity. Do you know what I mean?
37:10
Like I totally do and then and. Then then the problem is that
37:14
there's there's a boy who cried wolf and then there's no like.
37:16
Actual. Criticism.
37:17
I really disliked when the kind of the narrative was like, OK,
37:21
she should have in marketing, you're supposed to look out for
37:24
these kinds of things and like, you would know that you're
37:27
putting this out, like, you should know this.
37:28
And I was like, she's a white woman.
37:30
I'm assuming that most people on her team are white.
37:32
It's giving that as a white woman, I and like, let's say
37:36
there is something with that, with that symbol and like
37:39
whatever. But if I randomly started making
37:42
a necklace and I was like, I love the idea of lightnings and
37:45
and thunderstorms and I put that on a necklace, I would have
37:48
never thought that. And so the idea.
37:50
Of like, of course you would think that because it's like as
37:54
a white person, I would never think that.
37:56
And so it's like, I'm not saying that that's, I'm just saying
37:58
that that's the reality. So it's like.
38:00
Wasn't wasn't even the same shape.
38:04
It's about lightning like that's why it's.
38:06
On there and I just think like we can't like everything can't
38:10
be a hate symbol because then how do we actually call out
38:15
racist people and like racist things that are happening, you
38:18
know, and like actual hate symbols.
38:20
If every every lightning bolt, every lightning bolt necklace
38:23
that anyone is ever wearing is a hate symbol, then like how are
38:26
we actually going to acknowledge the.
38:29
Real ones I've seen in this one crater and multiple people like
38:32
tying gaylers to these allegations and they're like,
38:35
what's the difference if like you're both going in with
38:38
preconceived notions and trying to build evidence for something?
38:41
And I said, well, first of all, the main difference there is
38:44
that calling someone a Nazi is very different than calling
38:47
someone gay because a Nazi. Like if it's just exposing what
38:53
they really think of gaylers that we're accusing her of
38:55
being. Gay and that we're on like a
38:57
witch hunt to like find we're like, like we're not.
39:02
Trying to it's so bizarre and like it's just such a difference
39:07
between calling someone a Nazi and calling someone gay.
39:09
When you call someone a Nazi that is like an allegation of
39:14
hate crimes. Like and me, I do someone gay as
39:18
a compliment. Like I didn't wake up one day
39:20
and be like, you know what? I want to believe that Taylor
39:24
Swift is gay. So I'm going to like look for
39:25
the evidence of that. It was like, oh, she spends a
39:29
lot of time with Diana Agron. Oh, now she spends a lot of time
39:32
with Karlie Kloss. Oh, and now she wrote this lyric
39:36
where she said you can want who you want, boys and boys and
39:38
girls and girls, this connection and this, you know, like it
39:41
wasn't a like, I want her to be gay because I'm gay.
39:44
So I'm going to find the evidence for that.
39:46
It was like, I'm gay and I'm seeing a lot of, I'm seeing this
39:50
weirdness coming out of you because I don't know what it
39:52
looks like, right? Like we're not accusing her of
39:55
being gay. We're just like picking up on
39:58
the queer flagging and being like, oh, OK, girl, I see that
40:01
like. Right, but these creators would
40:04
not hate on gaylors if it wasn't giving them money and generating
40:09
things for them. Because people hate us so much.
40:12
Like I very rarely tag specific Tavis stands and I'm like, look
40:18
at how fucked up this is until unless they're saying go kill
40:21
yourself and then I'll be like, that's crazy.
40:23
But it's like such a random thing.
40:25
And especially when you're you should be like celebrating how
40:28
fun this album is for you. Why are you spending your energy
40:31
talking about fellow queer people that heaven forbid, think
40:34
that she's gay? It's just.
40:37
Like why are you so obsessed with this?
40:39
And like do not have anything better to make content about.
40:42
Like it's actually romantic. Like it is, It's actually.
40:45
Romantic. And I just, I feel like a lot
40:48
out of the Swifty content I see is very baseline or it's like 3
40:53
years later and they're like, Oh my God, you guys.
40:56
Yeah. Like did you notice that she had
40:59
two tailors in the antihero music video?
41:02
Maybe that meant something. And I'm like, yes, like you
41:05
made. Well, we're there like, but
41:08
there have been so many videos that I've seen where I've like,
41:10
I love to read a bitch. I would love to read a bitch.
41:12
I would love to like flame a bitch, make fun, you know, and
41:16
I'm like, I'm just not going to do that because I'm tempted.
41:19
The reality is these are like other people.
41:22
There are other content creators who are like doing their thing.
41:25
I don't have to like it. I don't have to be mean.
41:28
Like unless, like you said, it's like the swift, all of this
41:30
telling dealers to kill themselves.
41:32
Like if you hate Gaylord so much, block us.
41:35
There's just, it's it's been quite an uptick lately too, of
41:39
like the Gaylors are cancelled, they're done.
41:42
And I'm like I. There's some people that are
41:45
like, she's engaged. I'm like, and she could be
41:48
bisexual. Like like even beyond the
41:50
performance artler, there's this idea that's like, what if she
41:53
gets married and like as if we are pressuring her to do
41:57
something and not just picking up what she's putting down.
42:01
We don't control her. She's fine if she hated Gaylors.
42:05
We've been going on now for like 10 years.
42:07
She would say something and there are so many swifty
42:11
creators like you were saying like that are just it's almost
42:14
like capital Taylor Swift capitalism where it's not even
42:17
opinions, it's not even takes. People are so scared to even
42:21
give their real opinion that are these Taylor Swift creators that
42:25
at this point they're just little subsidiary like media
42:27
outlets or Taylor Swift and or brand Taylor Swift.
42:31
It's like. Putting news out about.
42:33
Her right? I'm like, you're not even a
42:35
creator. Give me your thoughts.
42:37
Yeah. And I think that's like led to
42:39
the whole cult like mentality because and then people feel
42:42
guilty. People are like, wait, what if I
42:44
don't like the album? Oh, it doesn't matter.
42:46
It does not matter. It's or like you cannot like it.
42:51
I know my first listen I made a bunch of videos that were like
42:54
fuck that hate that hate this album.
42:56
And the more I've listened to it, the more it's grown on me.
42:59
But I still stand by those comments because like, that's
43:02
how I felt when it first came out and I'm not gonna like
43:05
apologize or be scared to be like I don't agree with.
43:08
This have an opinion? Like this, right?
43:10
People like oh. Listen three times before you
43:12
have an opinion. And what if I don't?
43:14
It's getting the Internet's bad. So it's just like boring, like,
43:17
and I truly believe this is like a parent of a kid that I work
43:23
with has said to me like the worst thing a person can be is
43:25
boring. And that is so many Swifty
43:30
creators. I'm sorry.
43:31
I'm like, I'm bored by your content.
43:32
You're not actually, you're not giving me your opinion.
43:35
You're just like reading me a tweet about the data or about
43:39
like the Taylor. Swift was at Arrowhead and she
43:42
looks so cute like Papa Swift and Mama.
43:45
I'm like, what are you talking like we're talking to children
43:48
in APG movie? Right, like this is you can give
43:52
a real Mama and you don't have to like every outfit she wears
43:56
and you don't have to like every song she puts out.
43:57
Like if you do, I am going to assume you don't know how to
44:02
think critically or think for yourself.
44:04
Like articles written about us, how Gaylord's canceled and
44:08
videos claiming that we're starting the smear campaigns and
44:12
the hate campaigns again. Why are people getting
44:15
interviewed about hating gaylors but Gaylors aren't actually
44:18
getting interviewed about their real fucking taste?
44:21
Have you ever seen a Gaylord interviewed on a magazine?
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I see. How many swifties have I seen
44:26
being like Gaylors suck and it's like on fucking interview
44:28
magazine? Not like swiftologist interview
44:32
wasn't even about Gaylor, but they made that the fucking
44:36
headline because they know people are interested in us
44:39
because we're interesting. I'm sorry, we're interesting.
44:42
We have actual opinions, we make fun content.
44:44
We have a lot to say like so you are using US for click bait, but
44:49
you're not actually even totally like he wasn't even talking
44:52
about Gaylord besides telling us to kill ourselves, which I was
44:54
like bro that like I couldn't even make a a video about that
44:59
because I'm like I the like so. Pissed.
45:03
I was like, yeah, like. When you are telling that to a
45:06
group of like majority queer people, like I would say like
45:10
98% of gaylors are queer. Like, do you understand what the
45:16
suicide rates are in queer people?
45:18
Evil evil insidious behavior and the moral the the gall to think
45:25
that you're morally on on moral high ground for hating gaylors
45:30
and that's too far for Taylor Swift.
45:32
Yet you will tell people to kill themselves is what's really
45:36
wrong with celebrity culture. We see a rise in hate in the
45:39
comments and and then arise in obsessive love towards
45:44
celebrities like that are not probably seeing these comments
45:47
but who is like real queer people?
45:49
Real queer people and queer kids.
45:51
Like, yes, queer kids. Person should be fired and
45:55
interview magazine putting this out and making the whole
45:58
headline about gaylors. I think just goes to show that
46:01
like exactly what Taylor Swift is doing that we she knows
46:05
what's popular rise of like misogyny, sexism, tried life
46:09
stuff and hopefully she's going to throw it back in their face,
46:13
right. And I'm like, well, this
46:14
pathologist, I hope you know Taylor Swift would hate you.
46:16
Like. She would would.
46:19
Meanwhile she has a good song on the life of a showgirl about
46:25
what I assume is someone dying by suicide.
46:27
Right, Like and that song ruined the friendship to me is so queer
46:31
coded like so which I I don't know if you've seen it on
46:36
Twitter. I didn't make a video about this
46:37
either because I was like, it may be the same.
46:40
I was. It's maybe crossing a line like.
46:42
But I think we're going to talk about it here because it's like
46:44
the real ones are just watching, you know.
46:46
But like, yeah, she was at a funeral for a female high school
46:51
classmate in 2023. Like, and if the life of a
46:54
showgirl is written about things that were happening to her while
46:57
she's on the airs tour, to me it makes more sense that it is
47:01
about that classmate than it is about Jeff Lang, right?
47:04
But that is the assumption that people are making is that it's
47:06
about Jeff Lang because, right, That is the one person they know
47:10
in Taylor Swift's life. That was a boy that.
47:13
Right, and that she chose to share with, you know, Swifties
47:17
and with her community. But like, I think that song is
47:22
so queer coded because how many how many times as a lesbian have
47:28
you had a best friend who you're like, are we going to kiss or is
47:32
this going to fuck up our friendship?
47:34
Right? Like is this going to fuck up
47:36
our friendship if we do this? But like I want to do it anyways
47:39
and I want to maybe ruin the friendship or maybe it won't
47:41
ruin the friendship like. That is such it's unsafe.
47:46
All of my partners, anyone I've ever like hooked up with has
47:48
been someone that I was like best friends with.
47:51
And then like through that, you know, we like, oh, that is like
47:56
that is such. That is the lesbian experience
47:58
right there. And that song is so sapphic to
48:02
me. And like so obviously queer,
48:06
queer like. And then with that, like the
48:08
Taylor Swift was at that funeral in 2023, like.
48:10
That picture there? Connects connects the dots
48:14
again. I haven't made like a TikTok
48:16
about it because I'm like. Same.
48:17
I didn't want to like. I was the family of that woman,
48:20
right? Like I.
48:22
Yeah, there's a lot we don't know about Taylor Swift's life.
48:25
Before we go, do we want to talk about some predictions?
48:29
Do you have any hopes or dreams of what's going to come next?
48:33
What do you when do you think we might get Rep?
48:37
Vault tracks. I don't know, honestly, I think
48:41
it would be really funny if she never gave them to us just cuz
48:45
like, I, I mean, I want them so bad, obviously, like I'm so
48:49
curious what they are. But I totally could see her
48:52
being like, no, like you don't, you don't get these.
48:55
And I feel like it would have to be 1413.
48:58
Yeah, like, I don't know if like she'd want to wrap up the
49:02
masters and all of that before. Right.
49:07
Like forget. Nobody gives a fuck about Tapia.
49:09
No one gives a fuck. I'm just like, hello, we only
49:13
have so much time left. If she wants to release TS 13 in
49:18
2026, which I would assume based on the I bet you thing about me
49:21
Kate or it's like 1326, whatever, I don't know.
49:25
Do you think? She's gotta have that like
49:26
closed before. Yeah.
49:29
We can do TS13 'cause I feel like TS 13 is gonna be really
49:33
big, you know, like I, I had someone ask me like, do you
49:36
think Taylor Swift is coming out on her birthday?
49:38
And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if she'll ever
49:40
formally like come out. I feel like she is out to the
49:43
people who, the people in the industry, the people around her,
49:47
the people that pick up on the queer themes.
49:50
Like she feels very out to me and I.
49:52
So I don't know if we will ever formally get like a unless it is
49:55
truly like a her and Travis breaking the blender Shelley
49:59
Wright style, you know, like coming out together, even if
50:02
it's like they both are like we're yeah, we're we're
50:05
genuinely in a relationship. We are getting married and
50:08
we're. Bye for bye.
50:09
Great. Love it.
50:10
You both are queer as fuck, like undeniably queer as fuck.
50:15
And that's why anytime I see them together, I'm like, you
50:17
guys are giving such gay besties, like you are giving
50:20
such, which could be bye for bye, you know, like they could
50:23
be in a really real, genuine, loving relationship.
50:27
I still think they're both queer, like undoubtedly.
50:30
They're both queer. Don't know what that means for
50:32
them in their relationship, but they're definitely queer.
50:34
The pictures that he posted of them were like his first
50:37
Instagram debut. And they're like in the snow.
50:40
And I'm like you guys. Look so gay right now, right?
50:44
And like if she does ever like come out, I feel like it would
50:47
be through for lyricism right where like.
50:49
I told you she's not going to be a press release.
50:52
Right. Like, she's not going to like go
50:54
on Ellen and be like. By the way.
50:56
Like I'm gay. Like it's going to be like.
51:00
I don't even know about Ellen to show.
51:02
Anymore, but like that's she how she came out, how Ellen came out
51:05
like on the magazine cover, I feel like is what people like
51:09
people who say like stop speculating.
51:11
That's what they want from her in order for it to be like, OK,
51:15
and I'm like, no, she wrote about her argumentative,
51:18
antithetical dream girl in Midnight.
51:20
It's like she. Still didn't get it.
51:22
Like, what is she going to be? Yeah, right.
51:24
And so I feel like it will be like lyrically, whether that is
51:27
through like the Rep fault tracks and she's using she her
51:31
pronouns that are like, because she already has in so many
51:34
songs, but that it's like so obvious, you know, so
51:37
undeniable. Yeah.
51:39
Or through TS13, there will be obvious love songs about women.
51:45
Like if she is ever to like formally come out, that's kind
51:48
of how I envision it of like, it won't be her being like, I'm
51:52
blank and like labeling yourself.
51:54
It'll just be a like, this is a love song about a woman that I'm
51:58
writing. Taylor Swift is right.
52:00
You know, like, do with that what you will.
52:03
And unfortunately, I still think there will be a lot of people
52:05
who are like, yeah, that's she. She wrote that from the man's
52:09
perspective. She that's just James.
52:11
That's like what? James is driver, So like I
52:14
totally agree, right? I think like do you, what do you
52:18
think is going to happen with this documentary?
52:20
Do you think that they're going to be queer at all, or do you
52:23
think it's going to be like furthering the whole Tavis, I
52:27
don't know, story that we're seeing through like the
52:30
showgirl? I feel like it's going to be the
52:33
the Tavis story more unfortunately.
52:36
I think we already saw like, some peaks of him, but I think
52:40
it's going to be more like played up, you know, like, I
52:42
feel like it's going to be very obvious to the people who can
52:45
see it that it's a performance. You know, like the fact that
52:48
they chose in the trailer to include the I can do it with a
52:51
broken heart performance. Like rehearsals.
52:53
I'm like, yeah, that tells me everything I need to know right
52:55
there. Like they're going to highlight
52:57
that performance because they're like, OK, you didn't get it the
53:00
first time when we brought him out on stage and he was one of
53:02
the men that forced her to perform.
53:04
So now we're going to show you the rehearsal for that, you
53:08
know, and like, I think we're going to be able to see their
53:10
relationship dynamics a little bit more.
53:13
And I feel like it's going to be giving like I made a video about
53:16
this, but you know, the part of Miss Americano where she like
53:18
runs to Joe and he's in the Black Hat and like Travis is
53:22
also wearing a Black Hat and she's running to him breezy.
53:26
Like I feel like it's going to be really played up of like,
53:31
we're working. This is a performance, you know,
53:33
like we're doing this for the cameras that are right in front
53:35
of your face filming us right now.
53:39
I'm sure she'll be in some really gay outfits.
53:41
I feel like anytime we see like director Tay or like behind the
53:44
scenes Tay, it's like so astronomically gay.
53:48
Different. And just like.
53:51
It's crazy how different her aesthetic is when she is like
53:57
not on stage, performing in an interview, etcetera, and when
54:01
she's just like working or like just like.
54:04
Well, there was like one time we saw her leaving the Eras Tour in
54:08
a normal outfit, and she was in that light sweater, the baggy
54:13
jeans, the loafers, and then never again.
54:15
She always left in the bodysuit after that.
54:17
And I was like, yeah, because you got called out on being so
54:20
gay. Gay walk.
54:21
Like she has her like, pap walk, showgirl performance walk of
54:25
like, but yeah, that one, she's just like walking.
54:28
It's so I'm like, yeah, that's a gay walk I'm getting.
54:31
Just thinking about it like. People who aren't queer don't
54:36
pick up on those things, right? Like I say all the time, like
54:39
there's gay face, there's gay hands, there's gay walk, and
54:41
like straight people are like, what the fuck are you talking
54:44
about? But queer people want to say
54:45
that. Fucked up to say right and I'm
54:48
like. But no.
54:48
But when I say that to queer people, they're like, yeah, duh,
54:51
that person has gay face. That person has gay hands.
54:54
Like, queer people see it. That's why it's queer flags, you
54:58
know, like. I just think, even if you don't
55:00
think that she's queer, why do you care that other people do,
55:06
right? I can't get past that.
55:09
And I think at the end of the day, it comes down to like
55:12
protecting someone that you feel like you are very, very close
55:16
with that you are not. Right.
55:18
That like, parasocialism of like, yeah, my emotional
55:22
support, Taylor Swift, I need to, like, protect her from these
55:25
evil gaylers. And it's like, she really
55:27
doesn't give a fuck. And if she is mine, she's had
55:30
millions of opportunities to, like, shut it down, say
55:34
anything. She never has.
55:35
And like the CNN article from her, whoever the fuck it was,
55:39
I'm like, I don't buy it. I don't buy it.
55:41
I. Can like.
55:43
Right. Like she's never used CNN.
55:46
What are you talking? If it was people, I would be
55:49
like, OK, maybe this was tree pain like like and also of
55:53
course Taylor Swift, the brand is going to shut that down.
55:56
But the amount of times that tree pain and specifically
55:59
Taylor Swift herself in tweets, Instagram stories, interviews,
56:03
she's done so many interviews. She could have had them, had
56:06
them like do a very soft fall about sexuality or whatever.
56:11
And she could have, she could have handled the situation and
56:13
said something in a very perfected way if she wanted to.
56:17
And she hasn't like she, the amount of edits that went into
56:21
new heights. Like if you look at the watch
56:23
the new Heights podcast, there's cheering in the back from like
56:25
50 staffers that are there being like, remind you to say this,
56:29
say this, say this, and then we'll edit out everything
56:32
perfectly. Like she could say something if
56:34
she wanted to, right? She's had and she's a big girl.
56:37
Also. I think about that like early
56:39
Lady Gaga interview where the interviewer is asking her like
56:43
I've heard you're you have a penis or you have a male, a male
56:48
appendage. Like is that true?
56:50
And she's like, I don't care. My fans don't care.
56:53
Why would I waste my time addressing if that's true or
56:57
not? Like, and I feel like people
57:00
assume like Taylor Swift if she's not queer is going to
57:04
think that's a bad thing. But like if she truly is just an
57:07
ally, which as we've said, if she is an ally, she's just a
57:10
really shitty ally, like who's Co opting queer culture.
57:14
But if she truly is just an ally, she wouldn't give a fuck
57:17
if people are thinking she's queer because if you are truly
57:21
an ally, you understand that queerness is not a bad thing.
57:25
And so it doesn't matter if people assume that about you
57:28
know. So like the people who feel like
57:29
they need to defend her, like I feel like need to get that
57:34
through their like, if you are defending Taylor Swift against
57:37
against being queer, you are assuming queerness is a bad
57:41
thing. And that's a you problem.
57:42
That's not a me problem. That's not a Gaylord problem.
57:45
That's not a Taylor Swift problem.
57:46
Like that personal problem. Right.
57:48
Like when queerness was illegal, how do you think queer people
57:51
found each other they speculated on?
57:52
Each other's sexuality. Like that's.
57:54
People's hand. Historically been exactly We
57:57
looked at people's hands. We looked at the carabiners like
57:59
the. Usual we have.
58:01
Much to talk about. Yeah, so much to talk, talk
58:02
about. Thank you so much for coming on
58:06
again. Thank you.
58:07
For having me, it's so fun. We should have another
58:10
conversation and not record it, have some stuff to catch up on
58:14
just. Be a period.
58:16
Amazing. OK yay.
58:18
Do you want to plug your socials for people just in case they
58:21
don't already follow you? Yeah if you guys want to follow
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me I mostly make gaylor content on TikTok.
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My AT is DJ Crocs DJCROCS. I yap a lot about Taylor and all
58:33
things gay. Yay, we love Jordan.
58:37
Thanks for having me. I think I'm going to go live and
58:41
this is like in two months, but when the first episodes of the
58:45
documentary are released. Documentary.
58:48
And yeah, just remind her to go subscribe on YouTube if you
58:52
haven't already. And that really means a lot for
58:54
me and checking out my Patreon content, following me and
58:59
Jordan. Let us know what you think.
59:02
Keep us updated with your theories.
59:03
Yes and yeah. We'll see you soon.
59:05
Thank you. Bye bye.