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NFL Week 15 Reaction: Is The Chiefs Dynasty Over & Does Joe Burrow Want Out Of Cincinnati? · Bussin' With The Boys

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Speaker 1: lot of storylines, a lot of storyline, a lot of
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Speaker 1: big storylines.
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Speaker 2: Big stories, a lot of injuries. Unfortunately, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Dude, we lose the two of the game's best players
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Speaker 1: with Michael Parsons and Patrick Mahomes, which does suck. Like
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Speaker 1: who would have thought we'd be looking in a world
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Speaker 1: where we're looking at playoffs without Patrick Mahomes, a Green
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Speaker 1: Bay Packers team without Michael Parsons. George Yeah, no, George No,
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, yep, all these.
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Speaker 2: Guys possibly know. Lamar Jackson, I think I think the
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Speaker 2: Raymonds might make it. They're they're they're iffy, they're on
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Speaker 2: they're in the hunt, or they're back.
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Speaker 1: In the possibly Philip Rivers playing in the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen. You never know, bro,
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna happen. I love you know what,
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Speaker 2: Let's get our Let's get our our Monday bro, our
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Speaker 2: Monday interview on here, Greg, Greg, how do you feel
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Speaker 2: about Philip Rivers being forty four years old clearly has
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Speaker 2: a not only a dad bob, but a grandpa bod
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Speaker 2: going out there against one of the saltiest defenses and
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Speaker 2: winning that game for what three quarters? Yeah, three and
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Speaker 2: a half quarters before they kick a field goal at
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Speaker 2: the end of the game to win, Like, how incredible
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Speaker 2: is it for you? Just be like, Yo, look at
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Speaker 2: this man doing his thing who's older than all.
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Speaker 3: Yes, he won the game for fifty nine minutes in
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Speaker 3: thirty seconds, is right? I mean, you know, I can't
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Speaker 3: imagine what he feels like this morning. Yeah, he has
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Speaker 3: to feel just I can't even process how bad he
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Speaker 3: feels and sore. But I do think he wakes up
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Speaker 3: this morning, walks out to get the paper or whatever
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Speaker 3: the hell guys do, and he's like that was pretty
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Speaker 3: fucking awesome. Yeah, Like, I just came off the bench
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Speaker 3: cold coaching high school ball. Haven't trained. I mean, he's
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Speaker 3: worked out, but there's a difference between training and working out,
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Speaker 3: And I just went against arguably the best team in
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Speaker 3: the league, arguably the best defense in the league, in
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Speaker 3: one of the hardest places in football to play for
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Speaker 3: a decade, and took my team down on a game
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Speaker 3: winning game to take the lead in what could have
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Speaker 3: been a game winning field goal. Only that and then
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Speaker 3: obviously have your heart broken by giving up a game
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Speaker 3: winning field goal. So I actually think he wakes up
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Speaker 3: this morning physically sore and beat but I think mentally
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Speaker 3: he walks around his house with his twelve kids, and
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Speaker 3: he walks around that high school of those boys that
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Speaker 3: he coaches, and he's like, any more questions, who's the
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Speaker 3: baddest dude around because it's me bro questions.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just nuts to see. And you're
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Speaker 2: watching the game and everyone tunes, and I love I
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Speaker 2: love that the Colts they understand like, hey, it's great season,
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Speaker 2: but we're obviously not in a position to go win
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Speaker 2: it all. We're not gonna be able to do that.
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Speaker 2: We also starting quarterback are guy we traded for. He's
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Speaker 2: been hurt, and they're like, hey, let's just let's make
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Speaker 2: something out of nothing here. Let's call this old guy
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Speaker 2: who are head coaches of this outstanding relationship with and
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Speaker 2: is hey, give us your best sixty minutes right now
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Speaker 2: for the next three four weeks and let's just enjoy it.
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Speaker 2: And a game that no one would have tuned into.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure the ratings were out of control about and
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Speaker 2: it's just amazing. Then watching Rivers like kind of go back.
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Speaker 2: He goes to like hitch step up in the pocket
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Speaker 2: and he like slips, realizes, oh shit, they're getting close.
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Speaker 2: It kind of like starts this like baby crawl thing
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Speaker 2: as they kind of just touched him, and he's like,
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Speaker 2: wooh fuck, that was a close one. Stagnanmit that was
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Speaker 2: a bit of a deal there, and he just dude,
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Speaker 2: he just does his thing. See some throws out to
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Speaker 2: the sideline that just kind of die off, and you're like,
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Speaker 2: that's what you're gonna get. That's what you're gonna get
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Speaker 2: with the boy quick decisions. It's awesome.
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Speaker 1: He's changing plays. Like I watched that game and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: Colts have a shot to get in the playoffs. I
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Speaker 1: was watch tuned into that game to just enjoy watching
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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers like come back like five years, Like, man,
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Speaker 1: is this forty four year old gonna be able to
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Speaker 1: do it? To Whard. Now I'm towards the end of
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Speaker 1: the game, I'm like, yo, I'm not counting the Colts
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Speaker 1: out yet to make the playoffs.
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Speaker 3: Have them next week. I'm so excited. So we have
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Speaker 3: their game against Jacksonville next week. I'm with you, Will,
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Speaker 3: I'm like genuinely excited to call his game. I hope
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Speaker 3: he makes it. Yeah, I hope they It's got to
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Speaker 3: stay alive for at least one more week because I'm
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Speaker 3: doing their game in Indye in two weeks when Jacksonville
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Speaker 3: comes in again. Two teams that are at least theoretically
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Speaker 3: in the playoff picture and in the hunt there in
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Speaker 3: the AFC, and it's a more interesting game, and I'm
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Speaker 3: more excited about the game with the potential of him
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Speaker 3: being the quarterback. For sure, he's.
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Speaker 2: Gonna make it through the forty nine ers. Yeah, forty
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Speaker 2: nine ers. They got Jaguars and they got the Texans.
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Speaker 3: Yeah he didn't. He didn't exactly come back for a
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Speaker 3: easy defensive stretch.
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Speaker 1: No doubt.
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Speaker 2: But if you're if you're like looking at that jan
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Speaker 2: fourth game or whatever the last game of the year
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Speaker 2: is for them, you've got to hope that either the
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Speaker 2: Texans have the South kind of wrapped up and they're
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Speaker 2: not really fighting for anything. And if they are, like
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Speaker 2: Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter, they are getting pulled to
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Speaker 2: the side for the game, like hey, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Just lay him down, just don't kill the man.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Have you seen the bit of like Kevin Hart when
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Speaker 2: he was on and I don't know if it was
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Speaker 2: ESPN or foul or wherever he was at h and
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Speaker 2: he was talking about how you have to like put
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Speaker 2: the quarterback down now. Then they pick him up and
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Speaker 2: they lay him down, they get him a pillow, Like
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Speaker 2: that's what I need them to do with Philip Rivers, like,
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Speaker 2: we got to protect this man at all costs.
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Speaker 3: Texas are as a country, as a country, we need
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Speaker 3: to protect him.
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Speaker 1: The Texans that game, it's probably gonna be a winning
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Speaker 1: in game for the Texans. That sucks that, that's I'm
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Speaker 1: just because the Jaguars are playing good football. Bro. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: right now they're on top. Right now, they're on top.
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Speaker 1: Big game. They both this is uh, this is Texas
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Speaker 1: Jaguars this weekend.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, this one's gonna be a decider, yea.
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Speaker 2: They both sitting run the same record right now. You
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Speaker 2: called the Eagles Raiders game just was that the worst
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Speaker 2: game of all time.
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Speaker 3: The Raiders are really bad. They're just and we and
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Speaker 3: we felt like we talked about it for three quarters
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Speaker 3: because the game was pretty much decided pretty quickly. Philly
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Speaker 3: played well. Philly did every thing they needed to coming in.
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Speaker 3: Jalen had some nice deep balls, they used him as
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Speaker 3: a design runner, had a couple scrambles. Saquan had a
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Speaker 3: really quiet first half. They got him going there in
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Speaker 3: the third quarter, and then they didn't really need him
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Speaker 3: in the fourth the game was over. Aj Brown had
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Speaker 3: a nice deep touchdown, so they checked. The defense is nasty. Obviously,
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Speaker 3: pitching a shutout in the NFL is not easy to do,
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Speaker 3: so I think from the Eagle standpoint, you check the box,
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Speaker 3: you move on. The Raiders they got they got a
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Speaker 3: lot of problems. They got a lot they got roster problems,
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Speaker 3: They've got decision problems. They got to figure out what
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Speaker 3: they're They've ready fired two of their three coordinators. They
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Speaker 3: didn't make it through their first season. You know who's
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Speaker 3: the quarterback of the future. They traded for Gina, who
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Speaker 3: I love as a guy. He was a teammate of
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Speaker 3: mine and a guy I just I love him. He's
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Speaker 3: everything you'd want in a teammate and a dude. They
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Speaker 3: trade for him, they give him seventy five million. I
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Speaker 3: think they completely misjudged how close that roster was to winning.
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Speaker 3: You know, you trade for Gino, you give up a
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Speaker 3: third round pick for him, you give him seventy five million.
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Speaker 3: I think it was like sixty something guaranteed that you
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Speaker 3: with the sixth overall pick, you take a running back,
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Speaker 3: You put them behind an offensive line that might be
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Speaker 3: the worst in the league. If not, they're in. They're
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Speaker 3: in the running. You don't even know gent D's on
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Speaker 3: the team. And I don't even mean that as an
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Speaker 3: indictment on him. I think he's a good young player.
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Speaker 3: It's just he's it's meaningless to have a running back
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Speaker 3: on a team that's never winning and can't block anybody,
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Speaker 3: so it's just not an impactful position. Brock Bauers is
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Speaker 3: a stud. They're two best players are brock Bauers and
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Speaker 3: Max Crosby, and the problem is neither one of them
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Speaker 3: can truly impact the game because of the chaos going
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Speaker 3: around them. So they're wasting two of the premier players
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Speaker 3: in the league respectively. Really have very little impact, and
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Speaker 3: that's a problem.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you do, Like, what do you do
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Speaker 1: in this situation where you invest and you think you're
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Speaker 1: you're closer than you really are and you have all
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Speaker 1: these problems roster wise, coaching staff wise, Like, what do
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Speaker 1: you do, Like, say, Pete Carroll's the guy next year,
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Speaker 1: what do you look at doing first? Is it again,
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Speaker 1: You're you're in a situation where you're always playing from behind.
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Speaker 1: So to your point, you're never really able to use
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Speaker 1: Max Crosby to the best of his ability. Do you
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Speaker 1: look at moving Max Crosby to get some draft equity
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Speaker 1: to just start looking to fill all of these holes
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Speaker 1: everywhere else?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? So I think it's a complicated. So if I
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Speaker 3: played like Magic GM for a day, ye, you know
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Speaker 3: what would be my first First off? You need to
9:31
Speaker 3: sit down in a room with the powers to be
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Speaker 3: and you need to have a real honest assessment about
9:36
Speaker 3: where are we and how close are we to our
9:38
Speaker 3: competitive cycle? Right? And I think that was part of
9:41
Speaker 3: the issue a year ago. You hire a guy like
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Speaker 3: Pete Carroll who's not used to losing, he has won
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Speaker 3: ten plus games, it feels like forever. Yeah, obviously from
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Speaker 3: college and then what he did in Seattle. You're hiring
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Speaker 3: a guy who is not a long term in three years,
9:57
Speaker 3: we're going to be good. The expectation is we're going
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Speaker 3: to win now because I only know winning. I only
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Speaker 3: know ten plus wins. I only know playoff games. Like
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Speaker 3: that's all Pete understands. That's his power, that's his eternal
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Speaker 3: optimistic brain that has made him as good of a
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Speaker 3: coach as he's been. So I think there's a little
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Speaker 3: bit of a misalignment there. We're being honest. I think
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Speaker 3: they need to sit down and say, Okay, we need
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Speaker 3: to be good in two years, we need to be
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Speaker 3: good in three years whatever. That realistic approach and every
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Speaker 3: decision needs to be made through that lens. So can
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Speaker 3: you if they get the first or second overall pick
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Speaker 3: that that game against the Giants feels like it's going
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Speaker 3: to decide who you know, the loser actually wins because
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Speaker 3: you'll get the higher pick. Do you love any of
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Speaker 3: these quarterbacks? Right? You need a quarterback. You need to
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Speaker 3: get a young quarterback so you can build around them cheaply.
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Speaker 3: Do you love Fernando Mendoza? Do you love the kid
10:46
Speaker 3: from or what is it Dante Kid from Oregon, Dante Moore?
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Speaker 3: You know, do you love them? That's a question. If
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Speaker 3: you don't, can you trade down? Right? Is one pick
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Speaker 3: gonna change your franchise?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 3: Can you trade down from one to middle of the pack,
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Speaker 3: get a bunch of picks and accumulate. You know, the
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Speaker 3: Max Crosby thing's real. We talked about it on the broadcast.
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Speaker 3: He's a premier player in the league regardless of position.
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Speaker 3: You have to ask yourself, no different than Miles Garrett.
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Speaker 3: As good as they are individually, our current roster makeup
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Speaker 3: and our current play style for as good as they are,
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter. And the answer is no, it clearly doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: It clearly doesn't impact wins because what they do great,
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Speaker 3: You're not in position for that to actually have an
11:33
Speaker 3: impact on the outcome of the game, which is essentially
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Speaker 3: that matters. So those are really hard decisions, Those are
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Speaker 3: really complex, long term thinking. But I think if they
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Speaker 3: continue to just patchwork it and just put vand aid
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Speaker 3: band aid, and there's not a real comprehensive plan to
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Speaker 3: say we are going to do all these difficult things
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Speaker 3: now in the moment so that we have the ability
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Speaker 3: to be good in two or three years. I think
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Speaker 3: they're a long way off.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you too, Like I don't think
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Speaker 1: Max wants to leave. I don't think that fan base
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Speaker 1: wants them to leave. Like it's going to be a
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Speaker 1: tough breakup, but one that's like just feels like that's
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Speaker 1: why if you want to be a good organization or
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Speaker 1: a good football team in a couple of years or
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Speaker 1: a few years, like that is one of those tough
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Speaker 1: decisions that you would have to make.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the biggest issue that you're dealing with is that
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Speaker 2: the owner is not known for having a lot of
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Speaker 2: patients behind his decision making when it comes to GM's
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Speaker 2: head coaches and.
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Speaker 1: That type of thing.
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Speaker 2: So we're talking about two three years from now being
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Speaker 2: successful when we know the league is one of the
12:27
Speaker 2: more impatient organizations of all time, And so it's like,
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Speaker 2: is peak care there in two three years? Because foundationally,
12:34
Speaker 2: you're right, like band aid, band aid, band aid, you
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Speaker 2: have to do a complete foundational overload of what's taking
12:39
Speaker 2: place in Las Vegas.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so think about it. They had the sixth overall pick,
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Speaker 3: between a third round pick, a fifth round pick, and
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Speaker 3: a sixth overall pick. They got Geno Kenny pick at
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Speaker 3: the backup quarterback and Ashton Genty a running back.
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Speaker 2: Tough.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but now.
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Speaker 3: You go back and you say, Okay, you want to trade,
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Speaker 3: you want to accumulate picks, you want to play through
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Speaker 3: the draft. Now they do have a ton of cap
13:03
Speaker 3: I want to stay off the top of my head,
13:04
Speaker 3: it's like maybe the second most cap spending for next year,
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Speaker 3: or they're in the top like three. So there is
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Speaker 3: a lot of opportunity for them to add free agents
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Speaker 3: and to ad guys because they have a ton of money.
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Speaker 3: We saw the Patriots do it and surround a much
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Speaker 3: improved roster with Vrabel they spent the most in free agency,
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Speaker 3: and then obviously they've hit with Drake May. And that's
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Speaker 3: the perfect storm because you take advantage of your really good, young,
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Speaker 3: cheap quarterback. So the problem with doing that is you
13:32
Speaker 3: got to make sure you have your young cheap quarterback right,
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Speaker 3: not only getting one, but is he the guy that
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Speaker 3: I can ride this five year window where I'm not
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Speaker 3: paying him top dollar, I can afford all these other
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Speaker 3: positions and we can ride that all out. What New
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Speaker 3: England's doing now and what you know, the Vikings, they
13:46
Speaker 3: were the second highest spenders. But I say all of
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Speaker 3: that is you can accumulate as many draft picks as
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Speaker 3: you want. Think it wasn't too long ago that they
13:53
Speaker 3: traded Khalil Mack in a blockbuster trade from the Raiders
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Speaker 3: to the Bears. And they accumulate all those first round picks,
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Speaker 3: and that's going to change their future. And I don't
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Speaker 3: I think like one of those first round picks. I
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Speaker 3: think like Colton Miller, who's on the ir the offensive tackle,
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Speaker 3: he might be the only first round pick left and
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Speaker 3: if there isn't nothing, they might have it. No, they
14:15
Speaker 3: have a defensive lineman from like Texas A and M
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Speaker 3: that's a backup. But like they've had all these first
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Speaker 3: round picks and most of them are not even in
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Speaker 3: the league. So you accumulate all this draft capital, but
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Speaker 3: it's only as good as your ability to execute and
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Speaker 3: actually draft good players. That's why Philly's been so good.
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Speaker 3: All these guys that Phillies drafted, especially on defense, have
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Speaker 3: become really good players.
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Speaker 1: Right right. Staying in the AFC, last week, we're kind
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Speaker 1: of talking how wide open the AFC is. There's really
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Speaker 1: nobody that you go into the playoffs thinking like I
14:45
Speaker 1: don't want to play against this team after yesterday. Are
14:48
Speaker 1: there any team sticking out to you to where it's like, hey,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to have to face this football team.
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Speaker 3: I thought Denver had a really impressive win.
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Speaker 1: I agree.
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Speaker 3: I thought I thought that was really a really good win. Again,
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Speaker 3: I didn't catch all four quarters. I caught the most
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Speaker 3: of it traveling home. I thought that was really impressive.
15:05
Speaker 3: I thought bo Nicks played as well as he has.
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Speaker 3: You know, they beat a good Packers team. I think
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Speaker 3: that comeback win for Josh Allen and the Bills. Again,
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Speaker 3: is it the roster? Is it the play style that
15:18
Speaker 3: we're accustomed to. No, we We've talked about that throughout
15:21
Speaker 3: the course of the year. It looks a little different.
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Speaker 3: It feels a little different. But I'll tell you what
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Speaker 3: these last two weeks, Josh Allen's been Josh Allen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And he did it in the snow at home against Burrow,
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Speaker 3: bringing them back and pretty much putting the game on
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Speaker 3: his back two weeks ago. And then he's down twenty
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Speaker 3: one to nothing on the road to at the time
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Speaker 3: the number one seed in the in the conference and
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Speaker 3: brings him back for a huge comfort behind wins so
15:44
Speaker 3: you know, I still believe that that AFC is a
15:47
Speaker 3: toss up. I believe I can make an argument that
15:50
Speaker 3: five or six of those teams they go through Texans. Right, Like,
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Speaker 3: we've talked so much about the Texans defense, and it
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Speaker 3: feels like their offense is getting a little bit better.
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Speaker 3: They're a little better.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they put they put a forty burger on the Cardinals,
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Speaker 2: and that's exciting because you want to you want them
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Speaker 2: to do the things they're supposed to do against inferior teams,
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Speaker 2: which they did. But I think I think just looking
16:14
Speaker 2: the weekend, we're looking at yah.
16:17
Speaker 1: First part of the year. If I'm being optimistic, I
16:20
Speaker 1: guess for the Texans offense in the first half of
16:22
Speaker 1: the year, I don't think that offense would have put
16:24
Speaker 1: up forty on a team like the I agree, you
16:26
Speaker 1: know what I mean to where it's like you're at
16:28
Speaker 1: least like they were coming along a little bit. Forget
16:31
Speaker 1: whoever the jersey on the other side is if it
16:33
Speaker 1: was the Raiders, maybe we'd have kind of a different too.
16:35
Speaker 1: But I just feel like them being able to put
16:37
Speaker 1: up forty against the Cardinals to kind of at least
16:40
Speaker 1: compare a little bit to that elite defense has got
16:43
Speaker 1: to be if you're a Texas fan, you got to
16:44
Speaker 1: be feeling great going into or being in December.
16:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely. I think when it comes to AFC,
16:49
Speaker 2: they've been just sitting there in front of our faces
16:51
Speaker 2: a whole year. But it's the Denver Broncos. Like they
16:53
Speaker 2: have one of the best defenses in the entire league.
16:56
Speaker 2: They have one of the best offense. I think their
16:58
Speaker 2: offensive line has given up the least amount of sacks
17:01
Speaker 2: out of any other offensive line in the entire NFL.
17:04
Speaker 2: And the biggest question mark is is bow Nixy to
17:06
Speaker 2: take that next step because they're putting a lot pressure
17:08
Speaker 2: on this kid going into year two. He goes and
17:10
Speaker 2: plays at home against a great Packers team and you know,
17:14
Speaker 2: gets into a bit of a shootout for four tuddies,
17:17
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, okay, in my opinion right now
17:20
Speaker 2: as it stands, and this is so weak to week
17:22
Speaker 2: where we all kind of like have these grand gesture opinions,
17:24
Speaker 2: but it's like, oh, it's clearly the Broncos right now.
17:27
Speaker 2: The way the Patriots fell apart after being up twenty
17:30
Speaker 2: one to zero against the Bills, the Houston Texans their
17:33
Speaker 2: question marks on offense. Are they getting better? Are they not?
17:36
Speaker 2: But it's like the NFC people have said for a
17:39
Speaker 2: majority part of the year, like, hey, the Packers seem
17:41
Speaker 2: like the most put together team, and they took that
17:43
Speaker 2: team and plaid to play against their offense their strengths
17:47
Speaker 2: and go and win that game the way they did.
17:48
Speaker 2: It's like, Yo, it's the Broncos And if bo Nix
17:51
Speaker 2: can continue to do what he does, he's got everything
17:53
Speaker 2: around him to be successful. Now they sit in a
17:56
Speaker 2: perfect position of they have all this talent around them
18:00
Speaker 2: and a quarterback that's in his first contract where he's
18:02
Speaker 2: not killing a bunch of cap for you guys. So
18:04
Speaker 2: there is if you're a Broncos fan, buddy, this is
18:07
Speaker 2: like we have to you have to get it now.
18:09
Speaker 2: Now is when you take a hitage of all those things,
18:12
Speaker 2: because in three years you're not gonna be able to
18:14
Speaker 2: have Cooper Benito certain all these guys on your defense,
18:18
Speaker 2: and able to have an on offensive line and you know,
18:21
Speaker 2: wide receivers and running back. So I think right now
18:24
Speaker 2: it is the Broncos, and I think that's probably who
18:29
Speaker 2: looks like they're coming out of the playoffs then when
18:30
Speaker 2: we get to the playoffs, we'll see how bo Nix
18:32
Speaker 2: handles the weather. That we talked about run game defense,
18:35
Speaker 2: it seems like they can they can handle that. Josh
18:37
Speaker 2: Allen seems like he's gonna have the easiest path he's
18:39
Speaker 2: ever had with Patrick Mahomes now being out Lamar Jackson.
18:42
Speaker 2: He's on the fringe with the Ravens. It's going to
18:45
Speaker 2: be very interesting to see what takes place in the AFC.
18:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they could get that one seed and then
18:50
Speaker 1: everybody's traveling to the altitude to Denver.
18:53
Speaker 2: Right in that cold weather, all that stuff, and it's
18:56
Speaker 2: Denver is an extremely hard place to play. Well, we
18:58
Speaker 2: all are very aware of that. I want to I
19:02
Speaker 2: want to talk about the Bengals with you for a
19:03
Speaker 2: second because before this game where I think they got
19:07
Speaker 2: shut out, correct it was twenty four to zero. Twenty
19:09
Speaker 2: to zero, Yeah, they got shut out. Yeah, before this game.
19:12
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, he's in a press conference. He goes, I
19:14
Speaker 2: want to play the game. That's fun for me. I'm not.
19:16
Speaker 2: He basically alludes like I'm not having fun. He's having
19:19
Speaker 2: a lot of comments that reflect us looking back on
19:22
Speaker 2: Andrew Luck and being like yo, how are we going
19:25
Speaker 2: to have a sim situation where this guy generational talent
19:27
Speaker 2: which is thrown around all over the place, but truly,
19:30
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is a generational talent. Does he want to
19:31
Speaker 2: trade his when he retire? What he want to do?
19:33
Speaker 2: Goes into this game, gets goose ech those multiple interceptions,
19:37
Speaker 2: and he got Jamar Chase in the postgame press conference
19:39
Speaker 2: saying I've never had to uplift Joe Burrow in my life.
19:42
Speaker 2: It seems like that's where I kind of have to go.
19:44
Speaker 2: Now He's done that for me, so I need to
19:46
Speaker 2: do that for him. Because Joe Burrow has this crazy
19:48
Speaker 2: body language about him. This is more of an open discussion.
19:51
Speaker 2: I want to put you just like, hey, Greg, what
19:52
Speaker 2: would you do? But like, where do we feel like
19:54
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's at right now? As far as his career.
19:58
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to be done playing. There's
20:01
Speaker 1: got to be something going on off the field in
20:04
Speaker 1: my opinion, based on just a little clues or nuggets
20:08
Speaker 1: because he alluded to I want to say. A reporter
20:10
Speaker 1: asked him when he said he wasn't having fun and
20:13
Speaker 1: whatever else, and the guy in the audience was like,
20:15
Speaker 1: is there it football stuff. Is it personal stuff? He's like,
20:18
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of everything. And then for
20:20
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase to he also said a personal I'm not
20:24
Speaker 1: going to say eluded, but he brought up the word personal,
20:27
Speaker 1: like when he said, I've never been in the spots
20:28
Speaker 1: where I've had to uplift Joe Burrow. I don't know
20:30
Speaker 1: what's going on personally, blah blah blah, but I feel
20:32
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be there for him the same way
20:33
Speaker 1: He's been there for me. There could be something going
20:35
Speaker 1: on and nobody knows about. Yeah, I don't think he
20:37
Speaker 1: wants to be done playing football. I think he just
20:39
Speaker 1: wants to be on a winning football team, you know
20:41
Speaker 1: what I mean?
20:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it's a lot of that.
20:44
Speaker 3: And again, we never know. It's it's so easy to
20:46
Speaker 3: judge these guys and say, oh man, how good do
20:48
Speaker 3: they have it? You don't know what's going on behind
20:50
Speaker 3: the scenes. I think that's all real guys are still
20:52
Speaker 3: living lives outside of the world of professional football, and
20:57
Speaker 3: it certainly takes a toll. But my I guess without
21:00
Speaker 3: having any real intimate knowledge into the situation, my experience
21:05
Speaker 3: of just being around guys and hearing the way they
21:07
Speaker 3: talk and whatnot. This feels to me like a guy
21:09
Speaker 3: who's saying, I know I'm really good. I didn't play
21:12
Speaker 3: good yesterday. I think he was very honest about his
21:15
Speaker 3: assessment yesterday, and that's okay. It felt like an outlier,
21:18
Speaker 3: felt like kind of a one off game. But I
21:21
Speaker 3: sense a guy that is tired of losing, right, I'm
21:24
Speaker 3: tired of scoring thirty plus points and losing. Everybody else
21:27
Speaker 3: around the league scores twenty and they win twenty five,
21:30
Speaker 3: they win thirty, and it's a foregone conclusion. You win.
21:33
Speaker 3: How Come I'm on this team that over the last
21:35
Speaker 3: two years, I've scored thirty four points six times in
21:38
Speaker 3: a loss. That's not fun. It does people like, oh,
21:42
Speaker 3: but you're making so much money. You're making this we
21:44
Speaker 3: all know, like the money and all that after you
21:47
Speaker 3: signed that contract and that rush is gone. The football
21:51
Speaker 3: is still what matters. Coming into a locker room of
21:54
Speaker 3: a winner is very different coming into the locker room
21:57
Speaker 3: of a winner of a loser, regardless of how much
22:00
Speaker 3: money you make. And I think these last couple of years, really,
22:03
Speaker 3: since the Super Bowl, it's been a steady decrease, especially
22:06
Speaker 3: on the defensive side of the ball. They can't get
22:08
Speaker 3: that right. They're firing coaches. Hendrickson's not playing. He's their
22:11
Speaker 3: best player, Like they're not good on defense. He feels
22:15
Speaker 3: like he carries the entire weight of the organization, which
22:17
Speaker 3: he does on his back offensively and quarterback. And obviously
22:21
Speaker 3: he's been through some injuries and he's battling and he's rehabbing,
22:24
Speaker 3: and he's rushing back to a four and eight team,
22:26
Speaker 3: trying to claw his way back into the playoffs. Every
22:29
Speaker 3: single season they're in the same boat. They're four and eight,
22:32
Speaker 3: they're three and seven, and it's like, hey, win every game.
22:35
Speaker 3: Well he did it last year. They won every game
22:37
Speaker 3: down the stretch. They don't make the playoffs. He comes back,
22:41
Speaker 3: he gets him to four and eight. It's got to
22:43
Speaker 3: win every game. He loses a heartbreaker to Josh Allen
22:46
Speaker 3: to get shut out, and now the season's over. I
22:48
Speaker 3: think he's mentally worn out. I feel like he's a
22:50
Speaker 3: guy that's saying, I'm in the prime of my career
22:53
Speaker 3: when I'm healthy, I'm arguably the best quarterback in the league,
22:57
Speaker 3: and I'm tired of losing. And I don't blame him.
22:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's like too being a part of
23:03
Speaker 1: a tough organization or a bad culture, like going into work,
23:07
Speaker 1: Like anybody who goes into work and like, let's say
23:09
Speaker 1: you have a bad day or you have a bad week, right,
23:11
Speaker 1: you have a bad moment. If you've got a lot
23:12
Speaker 1: of good people around you and you're around a good
23:14
Speaker 1: organization with a good culture, you'll get out of that
23:17
Speaker 1: pretty quick. Like we've been in locker rooms to where
23:19
Speaker 1: you're winning football team, you have a bad day or
23:21
Speaker 1: you have a bad game, and just to feel when
23:23
Speaker 1: you go in the locker room or going to the
23:24
Speaker 1: building the next day, it's it's completely different than when
23:27
Speaker 1: you have a bad day or have a bad game
23:29
Speaker 1: and you lose and you go into a locker room
23:31
Speaker 1: where it's just it's quiet, like everybody knows there's stuff
23:34
Speaker 1: going on, even the culture. When you go into the
23:36
Speaker 1: facility of the next day, whether organizationally from the top down,
23:39
Speaker 1: you just feel like you're in a bad situation. Having
23:41
Speaker 1: to do that day in and day out. It absolutely
23:43
Speaker 1: wears on you to the point where it's like, yeah,
23:45
Speaker 1: the dude's just beat down, he's tired of being he
23:48
Speaker 1: does know, Like this is one of the best players
23:50
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and he's just been on this he's
23:53
Speaker 1: just been on this shit team for the last year.
23:54
Speaker 2: It's not even day in and day out, month and
23:56
Speaker 2: a month out. This has been a year in and
23:57
Speaker 2: year round job for Joe Burrow.
23:59
Speaker 1: And it's like if you.
24:01
Speaker 2: Go into multiple off seasons and the issues that you've
24:03
Speaker 2: had have not been addressed. And I know I know
24:06
Speaker 2: the issues that they have. We've all talked about. We
24:07
Speaker 2: talked about it earlier with the Broncos, Like Broncos are
24:10
Speaker 2: in a great spot because they have all the pieces
24:12
Speaker 2: and a quarterback in the first in his first contract.
24:15
Speaker 2: Now you have Joe burwho's making half a billion dollars
24:17
Speaker 2: or whatever his contract is, and it's like every year
24:21
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, their defense sucks and their offensive line
24:23
Speaker 2: gives up sex and every year we're having the same conversation.
24:25
Speaker 2: Now we're here three years later saying twenty twenty five,
24:28
Speaker 2: it's December, the defense sucks and the offensive line gives
24:31
Speaker 2: up sacks. So if I'm Joe Burrow, yeah, I'm pretty
24:36
Speaker 2: fed up with the situation and just wondering, like, like,
24:38
Speaker 2: if it's not gonna get fixed in three years, maybe
24:41
Speaker 2: I need to go somewhere else where it is fixed.
24:42
Speaker 2: But the argument can also be made is it's not
24:45
Speaker 2: I was good. On the other side, no other team
24:47
Speaker 2: has t Higgins and Jamar Chase and that Tindan was
24:50
Speaker 2: it giseki is how you say it? Like those type
24:54
Speaker 2: of weapons, they're just they grow on trees, like maybe
24:56
Speaker 2: the Vikings. You can find yourself in that Si Stafford's Stafford,
25:00
Speaker 2: those rams, Like those pastures are greener, those pastors are
25:03
Speaker 2: pretty damn green those But it's like that has to
25:05
Speaker 2: be the fit. Like if it's like Doe Burrow's going
25:07
Speaker 2: to go to the Raiders or he's going to go
25:09
Speaker 2: to the Jets, or he's going a Steelers, He's like, no, bro,
25:11
Speaker 2: Like you're not going to be happier there because you're
25:13
Speaker 2: not going to have the weapons that you have that
25:15
Speaker 2: are even comparable anywhere else other than probably two teams.
25:18
Speaker 1: Joe smart enough, he would know he's end up with
25:21
Speaker 1: the Raiders or the Jets.
25:22
Speaker 3: Well, you know, brings up the question everybody always asks,
25:25
Speaker 3: and I'm not sure there's a clear cut answer. You know,
25:28
Speaker 3: they're paying fifty plus million, it might maybe more than that.
25:31
Speaker 3: Off the top of my head how much they're paying
25:33
Speaker 3: to t Higgins and Jamar Chase. Right, So you're paying
25:36
Speaker 3: all that money there, would you rather have a fifty
25:38
Speaker 3: million dollar offensive line or fifty million dollar wide receivers?
25:43
Speaker 3: It's a tough I can make an argument each way, Right,
25:46
Speaker 3: what kind of system am I running? What's the you know,
25:48
Speaker 3: where's the load? Where's the stress? So I think there's
25:51
Speaker 3: a lot of nuance to it, but I think it's
25:53
Speaker 3: a fair question. And you look at what they're doing
25:55
Speaker 3: with the Rams. Yeah, oh Pooking Akua, the pat Pooking
25:58
Speaker 3: a coup is a fifth round pick making no money.
26:00
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams is on is a veteran who last year
26:03
Speaker 3: couldn't do a thing in Jets. Not because he's not amazing.
26:06
Speaker 3: He's incredible. It's a better fit, but he's not making
26:09
Speaker 3: thirty five million dollars. He's not making tough to your
26:11
Speaker 3: wide receiver money. So you can't pay everyone, right, and
26:16
Speaker 3: the second you start paying a quarterback sixty and a
26:19
Speaker 3: wide receiver thirty and better draft incredible it's and we
26:27
Speaker 3: see it time and time again. There's great rosters with
26:31
Speaker 3: good young quarterbacks making no money. They're highly competitive and
26:34
Speaker 3: then there's the couple quarterbacks that can mask the problems
26:38
Speaker 3: of a bad roster. But even they can't do it anymore,
26:41
Speaker 3: even Mahomes and Josh Allen and Burrow. I mean, these
26:44
Speaker 3: guys are as good as it gets, and the roster
26:47
Speaker 3: holes right now. Of the group, the only one that's
26:50
Speaker 3: still holding on is Josh Allen. Yeah, and he's doing
26:54
Speaker 3: it without literally without a receiver. Right. It's a great
27:00
Speaker 3: after catch and right. Yeah, but I'm talking about traditional
27:04
Speaker 3: compared to Justin Jefferson, who can I'm talking like a
27:07
Speaker 3: traditional x Z receiver. It's this, it's a really hard
27:13
Speaker 3: balance with how much money certain guys take and if
27:17
Speaker 3: you're gonna allocate a certain amount of percentage, such a
27:20
Speaker 3: high percentage of your cap to certain players, which of
27:23
Speaker 3: course you have to, they have to be able to hold.
27:27
Speaker 3: They better be able to fill the holes that are
27:29
Speaker 3: inevitably gonna come, and you better draft incredibly well around them.
27:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, playing now that we have more information, playing hindsight,
27:39
Speaker 1: armchair quarterback, it's one thousand percent. You want a fifty
27:41
Speaker 1: million dollars line when you got a quarterback like Joe Burrow.
27:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you have a fifty million dollar O line.
27:47
Speaker 3: He's not throwing at Jamar Chasen t exactly.
27:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm thinking Joe Burrow is so good. Like, yeah,
27:51
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and T Higgins they're they're animals. But I'm
27:54
Speaker 1: thinking you got to you gotta keep be like Joey
27:56
Speaker 1: b Like again, you see it with Josh Allen. He
27:59
Speaker 1: doesn't have a whole lot of wide receivers to work with,
28:02
Speaker 1: and he, you know, he's out there making it happen.
28:04
Speaker 1: You can make a you know, an average wide receiver
28:06
Speaker 1: look good. You can make a good wide receiver look great.
28:08
Speaker 1: You can go out there and grab you know, if
28:10
Speaker 1: you fortunately could draft like a Pooka Nakou in the
28:12
Speaker 1: fifth round. Obviously I'm talking on my ass saying that.
28:15
Speaker 1: But if you do draft well and then you go
28:16
Speaker 1: out and have find somebody a receiver that's got a
28:19
Speaker 1: higher ceiling than what he showed the previous year with
28:22
Speaker 1: Devonte Adams when he was with the Jets, you'd be
28:24
Speaker 1: able to. You'd be able to, you'd be able to
28:26
Speaker 1: figure it out. I believe in free agency, if you
28:29
Speaker 1: had a foundational piece of the offensive line protecting your
28:31
Speaker 1: best asset on the team, the.
28:33
Speaker 2: Thing that I'm thinking of right now is the viewer
28:36
Speaker 2: watching the show who is working their ass off, working
28:39
Speaker 2: paycheck to paycheck, and not just saying to us three
28:42
Speaker 2: guys who play in the NFL, Well, if Joe Burrow
28:44
Speaker 2: wants this so bad, why wouldn't he take less money?
28:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's.
28:52
Speaker 2: What you got sixty?
28:55
Speaker 1: Hey, I thought you follow follow up.
28:57
Speaker 2: That's what I'm like. People who don't play in the NFL.
28:59
Speaker 2: People who don't like understand like, hey, it's not for long,
29:02
Speaker 2: this doesn't last forever. You want to accumulate as much
29:04
Speaker 2: wealth as you possibly can for generational stuff. They're sitting
29:06
Speaker 2: there and theyre saying, well, the answer seems like it's
29:08
Speaker 2: pretty simple to me. Take less money so you can
29:10
Speaker 2: get a better offensive line and a defense.
29:12
Speaker 1: Fair.
29:12
Speaker 3: Well, So there's two there's two arguments, one on each side,
29:17
Speaker 3: like normal, Right, you make the one argument that, yeah,
29:20
Speaker 3: instead of making sixty, can you make fifty? Is your
29:23
Speaker 3: life really going to be different?
29:24
Speaker 1: Right?
29:24
Speaker 3: That's a valid argument. You can spread that ten million
29:27
Speaker 3: around your roster, and you do that over multiple years,
29:29
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you have a better team.
29:32
Speaker 3: That's fair. Right. Brady did that a lot and been
29:36
Speaker 3: heavily talked about. There's also the side that those top
29:38
Speaker 3: tier guys, there is an obligation that it's your job
29:42
Speaker 3: to raise the ceiling. Right, it's your job because once
29:46
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, I'm just gonna make up that he's you know,
29:49
Speaker 3: let's say he's the highest paid quarterback. Well, when it's
29:51
Speaker 3: Jordan loves turn, or it's Drake May's turn, right, these
29:55
Speaker 3: next young guys, when it's Drake May's turn, If Drake
29:58
Speaker 3: May doesn't jump, whoever the highest paid guy now is.
30:02
Speaker 3: You never reset the market. And you're not only resetting
30:05
Speaker 3: the market for the top guy. As the top quarterback
30:09
Speaker 3: makes sixty, the second tier now makes thirty five. If
30:12
Speaker 3: the top quarterback's only making fifty, the middle tier is
30:15
Speaker 3: only making twenty five. So you're bringing everybody up with
30:19
Speaker 3: you when you continually reset the market. So the other
30:22
Speaker 3: to the counter, and this is what every agent in
30:25
Speaker 3: the world of course is selling his client. You owe
30:28
Speaker 3: it to the league, You owe it to the other
30:31
Speaker 3: quarterbacks to elevate the market and to reset it if
30:36
Speaker 3: you have the ability to reset it. So there's a
30:39
Speaker 3: very double edged sword there, right, like, do you owe
30:43
Speaker 3: it to the league, do you owe it to the
30:44
Speaker 3: market and of course yourself or is your obligation to
30:49
Speaker 3: balancing the books on behalf of your front office and
30:51
Speaker 3: doing their job for them, right, because the Eagles certainly
30:55
Speaker 3: don't have a talent problem, right. And the Eagles are
30:58
Speaker 3: paying aj Brown and they're Lane Johnson, and they're paying
31:01
Speaker 3: my Alotta, and they're paying Jalen Hurts and they're paying
31:03
Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley. And I mean, but why can't you pay
31:09
Speaker 3: all them because you drafted Jalen Carter, and you drafted
31:12
Speaker 3: Jordan Davis, and you signed Zach Bond. I know they've
31:15
Speaker 3: given him an extension since, but he's not a top
31:17
Speaker 3: tier they sign him in a one year veteran deal
31:20
Speaker 3: two years ago, or last year, you draft Cooper Dejen
31:23
Speaker 3: you got, you draft Quinon Mitchell.
31:27
Speaker 1: Like yeah, Nikobe Dean, Yeah yeah.
31:29
Speaker 3: N Kobe Dean. And we can go on and on
31:31
Speaker 3: and on about the guys that they've drafted who make
31:33
Speaker 3: no relatively, they don't make big money in the scope
31:37
Speaker 3: scope of the NFL. That's how you keep that roster
31:41
Speaker 3: looking the way it does. If they miss on all
31:43
Speaker 3: those picks, and those guys stink and they now need
31:46
Speaker 3: to go out and free agency and fill those gaps.
31:50
Speaker 3: You only get a j Brown or DeVante Smith. You
31:52
Speaker 3: either get Lane Johnson or Jordan Mylotta. You don't get
31:56
Speaker 3: Saquon And it has a Yeah, it's just the nature
32:00
Speaker 3: the game. So like the argument the quarterback would be
32:03
Speaker 3: draft better.
32:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because the meat you do, you know, balance
32:07
Speaker 1: the books of the organization. You now give power to
32:12
Speaker 1: the owners. Like when you're in this battle of player
32:14
Speaker 1: versus ownership and getting paid what the market says, you
32:16
Speaker 1: now give owners leverage too. Now they're they're saying that
32:19
Speaker 1: with all the other deals they're trying to sign with
32:21
Speaker 1: their quarterbacks that they're trying to keep, it's like, well,
32:22
Speaker 1: the Bengals over here, Joe Burrow did this, like we
32:25
Speaker 1: need you to kind of be a selfless person here, right,
32:27
Speaker 1: take less money so that way we can make a
32:28
Speaker 1: better roster.
32:29
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
32:30
Speaker 3: And then the left tackle wants to negotiate a new deal,
32:32
Speaker 3: and they go, well, Joe Burrow just took a hometown discount,
32:34
Speaker 3: so if he can do it, why don't you.
32:36
Speaker 2: Right now the negotiating, the leverage goes towards the team, right.
32:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just so many there's just so many layers
32:43
Speaker 3: to it. It sounds so easy, you know, and I
32:46
Speaker 3: save you ten million a year. Is there a guarantee
32:49
Speaker 3: that you're not going to blow that? Yeah, you give
32:52
Speaker 3: it to some guy who stinks you're better off giving
32:54
Speaker 3: it to me.
32:55
Speaker 1: Right right, I'm approving.
32:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's a lot of there's a lot of
32:59
Speaker 3: nuance to a lot of those things. But yeah, i'm
33:01
Speaker 3: the surface. Not being the highest paid player certainly helps
33:08
Speaker 3: keep your team better in theory, but now there's an
33:10
Speaker 3: execution component.
33:11
Speaker 2: It makes me think about Kirk Cousins and what he
33:14
Speaker 2: was trying to start when he left Washington, which is
33:16
Speaker 2: do you take less money but it's all fully guaranteed.
33:20
Speaker 2: And now you're starting to work through the process again
33:22
Speaker 2: of hey, you know when you sign these ninety million
33:25
Speaker 2: dollar deals in sixty if it's guaranteed, well, willia's just
33:27
Speaker 2: a sixty million dollar deal and you're hoping to get
33:29
Speaker 2: the other thirty Like why not? Like maybe that's the
33:32
Speaker 2: process now where these top tier quarterbacks you're taking five,
33:35
Speaker 2: ten million less dollars, but thirty more is guaranteed on
33:38
Speaker 2: the back end, Like that's a win. Yeah, possibly for
33:41
Speaker 2: everybody there now there's a new fight taking place where
33:44
Speaker 2: these fully guaranteed contracts are happening, which you know depends
33:47
Speaker 2: on what side of the fence you sit on when
33:48
Speaker 2: it comes to that stuff.
33:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was always the approach that I took. Right Like, again,
33:53
Speaker 3: this is a fun kind of higher level like approach
33:55
Speaker 3: standpoint that I think is interesting to dive into. But
33:58
Speaker 3: like me personally, my approach was always it didn't matter
34:01
Speaker 3: to me that I was ever the highest paid, the
34:03
Speaker 3: third highest paid, the fifth highest paid, the tent that
34:07
Speaker 3: never really mattered to me, right Like, I always took
34:09
Speaker 3: extensions in advance just because I knew I played a
34:12
Speaker 3: position where at any moment it could be done. Yeah,
34:15
Speaker 3: but then I also always bet on myself and saying
34:19
Speaker 3: I might sign on an annual basis a less contract
34:22
Speaker 3: than a guy that I might feel like I'm better then,
34:24
Speaker 3: But because I took an extension, I didn't make free agency.
34:27
Speaker 3: He's going to make more on an annualized basis. But
34:30
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make the entire contract, right like I'm gonna
34:34
Speaker 3: play the entire I'm gonna get the max value of
34:36
Speaker 3: that contract, which might be a little bit less over
34:39
Speaker 3: fixed number of years. I'm gonna make it all you.
34:41
Speaker 3: I make five million and you make seven. But you
34:45
Speaker 3: only made two years of it, and then you got hurt,
34:47
Speaker 3: you stopped training, you got cut. You weren't as good
34:49
Speaker 3: as me. But I made it for five years. Who
34:51
Speaker 3: signed the better contract?
34:52
Speaker 1: You did?
34:54
Speaker 3: I signed the better contract because you got two of
34:56
Speaker 3: the five years at seven, so you made fourteen. I
34:59
Speaker 3: got five of the for twenty five. I did better
35:01
Speaker 3: than you. That was always personally my approach, where I
35:06
Speaker 3: didn't need to make the most per year. I was
35:09
Speaker 3: gonna make every single year of it for fourteen years
35:12
Speaker 3: and just play the long game. That was always my approach.
35:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was sitting in the position to have
35:18
Speaker 2: make get a second contract, I was sat down by
35:20
Speaker 2: Tom Condon and Pat Collins at CAA and they're like, hey,
35:24
Speaker 2: everyone's looking at Apy like everyone wants to know your
35:26
Speaker 2: average pay per year. Really the move is we're trying
35:30
Speaker 2: to set the record for the guarantee. That's what we
35:33
Speaker 2: want to get for you. And it's when they were
35:35
Speaker 2: able to break that down for me because I was
35:36
Speaker 2: a little more great. I'm like, well, this guy's making
35:38
Speaker 2: this much per year. I want to make X y
35:42
Speaker 2: and z more per year. And then really when they
35:44
Speaker 2: turned my focus to, hey, what you're really focused on
35:46
Speaker 2: over here is the guarantee, that's when it's like, oh shit,
35:48
Speaker 2: you're right, because then things go to hell like it
35:51
Speaker 2: kind of did towards the end of my career where
35:53
Speaker 2: it was like shit's just falling apart and left and right.
35:55
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, I get to lean on this guarantee
35:57
Speaker 2: that I have to be a little more safe.
35:59
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm just wonder if i'd get a signing bonus.
36:02
Speaker 2: No doubt, you know what I mean, that signed yeah,
36:04
Speaker 2: and it's it's yeah.
36:05
Speaker 1: I get I can get one hundred and twenty and
36:07
Speaker 1: that in that signing bonus with this contract.
36:09
Speaker 2: It's so interesting.
36:09
Speaker 1: Don't get that.
36:10
Speaker 2: It's so interesting with the money thing because when you
36:13
Speaker 2: get into the league and you're drafted, even being drafted
36:15
Speaker 2: in the first round, and everything's like it was the
36:17
Speaker 2: new CPA, so like everyone's kind of slotted. You get drafted,
36:21
Speaker 2: you get your signing bonus, but then you're working through
36:23
Speaker 2: your rookie car like minimums every single year because there's
36:26
Speaker 2: all frontloaded that signing bonus, which is great, forty eight hours.
36:29
Speaker 2: It's like Okay, that was awesome. Bank account looks great.
36:32
Speaker 2: But now I gotta worry about actually putting a product
36:34
Speaker 2: in the field that's not disgusting and people hate me for.
36:36
Speaker 2: And you're looking at these eight, nine, ten year vets
36:39
Speaker 2: that are making ten, eleven, twelve per year and you're like, bro,
36:43
Speaker 2: what are they bitching about when they're making that much money?
36:46
Speaker 2: And then you become the guy that's making that and
36:48
Speaker 2: you realize quickly like, yeah, that goes away, and it's
36:51
Speaker 2: you know, it's it might sound selfish to the casual person,
36:54
Speaker 2: but like once the money is the contract sign, it's
36:57
Speaker 2: like you're only thinking about football from then on. If
37:00
Speaker 2: you truly care about the game.
37:02
Speaker 3: It's psychousing, stinks, dropping the game winning pass, giving up
37:06
Speaker 3: three sacks in a game you don't wake up Monday ago. Well,
37:09
Speaker 3: it's not that bad because they make a lot of money.
37:12
Speaker 3: It's probably worse.
37:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely, it's probably worse.
37:17
Speaker 3: You feel shittier, right.
37:19
Speaker 2: If if you're a guy that loves the team and
37:21
Speaker 2: use ball like chandles.
37:23
Speaker 3: Are, if you don't give a shit, you're probably not
37:25
Speaker 3: that like it typically is all hand in hand.
37:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, voice.
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Speaker 1: back to this football weekend recap with Greg Olsen on
39:57
Speaker 1: Busting with the Boys. You know, everybody's waking up this
40:00
Speaker 1: morning in New England just feeling like dog shit.
40:02
Speaker 2: Dog shit. But that's also we talked about when you
40:04
Speaker 2: walk into a locker room with a team that's like,
40:07
Speaker 2: you know, there's a bunch of issues. If you're the Patriots,
40:10
Speaker 2: you're coming off of bye Mike Rabel up until yesterday
40:13
Speaker 2: was undefeated off of a bye week. They lose this game,
40:16
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a level of like, oh no, no, no, no, no,
40:19
Speaker 2: we messed it up. We were up twenty one zero,
40:22
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven. We should have put that game
40:24
Speaker 2: away in the second half and we got lazy and
40:27
Speaker 2: there's a new fire that's taking place in a province.
40:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was probably the best thing to happen to
40:31
Speaker 1: the Patriots, no doubt, dude.
40:34
Speaker 3: So I got a question though, for Will When when
40:38
Speaker 3: did the momentum of that game switch.
40:42
Speaker 1: Right out of the second half? Yeah, right out of
40:45
Speaker 1: the second half when they kickoff back and it's like
40:48
Speaker 1: they win that.
40:50
Speaker 3: Explain that to me. How you are You're up twenty
40:52
Speaker 3: one and you have all the momentum and then you lose.
40:55
Speaker 3: I don't get it.
41:00
Speaker 1: God, handle yourself, bro, there's nothing. Gregg's right, No, he's not.
41:05
Speaker 1: And tell them what you're talking about. When the Buffalo
41:08
Speaker 1: Bills came.
41:08
Speaker 2: Out coming out of halftime, yah, coming out half after
41:11
Speaker 2: adjustments were made, understanding that the momentum is on the patriotside,
41:14
Speaker 2: we need to string plays together.
41:16
Speaker 1: Rallying light fire. Hey, we're going to come off, so we're.
41:19
Speaker 2: Getting this ball.
41:20
Speaker 3: We're getting this ball.
41:21
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. The game plan we walked in with
41:23
Speaker 2: is clearly not the game plan we needed to win.
41:25
Speaker 2: We've seen the plays. This is how we make our adjustments.
41:27
Speaker 2: They're also making adjustments. The good thing about being down
41:30
Speaker 2: at halftime is you understand your game plan needs to
41:33
Speaker 2: change when you're up by as much as the Patriots are,
41:36
Speaker 2: they're not looking with a critical eye, being like we
41:38
Speaker 2: need to change X, Y and Z because everything they
41:39
Speaker 2: have is working. Bills made changes. Momentum is a series
41:44
Speaker 2: by serious case by case. You can break down all
41:47
Speaker 2: of it.
41:47
Speaker 1: It's like a fighter. When the bell rings, you make
41:49
Speaker 1: it to the end of the round, you can recreate
41:51
Speaker 1: some momentum in that corner.
41:52
Speaker 3: Right sounds and to me, it sounds like you guys
41:57
Speaker 3: are talking execution, right game plan and plays and the ability.
42:03
Speaker 3: That's what it sounds like to me, not emotion and
42:06
Speaker 3: vibes and feel That's what I'm hearing. Am I wrong?
42:09
Speaker 2: You are? You are absolutely right, and you'll know this.
42:12
Speaker 2: It all goes completely hand in hand. When you have
42:15
Speaker 2: a game plan and you execute that game plan, that
42:18
Speaker 2: momentum rises, and so do the vibes. Believe starts to
42:21
Speaker 2: take place. When you're getting that asked bet by three
42:23
Speaker 2: touchdowns and you've got people tweeting the Patriots week schedule,
42:27
Speaker 2: the haters are sick right now type of stuff. You
42:30
Speaker 2: you feel a little more confident now the bills coming
42:32
Speaker 2: like sh okay, it really is just a two score game.
42:34
Speaker 2: Then they go three and out. Now you're feeling momentum built. Hey,
42:38
Speaker 2: they're not as good as we think they are.
42:39
Speaker 1: We're all making No I'm trolling.
42:43
Speaker 3: Can I ask one more questions?
42:44
Speaker 1: Ahead?
42:44
Speaker 3: Sorry?
42:44
Speaker 1: Go ahead?
42:45
Speaker 3: Well no, go ahead? Well, sorry, go ahead.
42:46
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, when greg'sitting there talking about feeling
42:49
Speaker 1: vibes emotion, that's what I always feeling when I put
42:52
Speaker 1: that tweet out, And I didn't see it flipping on
42:54
Speaker 1: me like that whatsoever. I truly did. It's not like
42:57
Speaker 1: I'm with you. There's been so much what you treat.
43:00
Speaker 1: So it went twenty one to nothing.
43:03
Speaker 3: And as you said, I didn't see it.
43:04
Speaker 2: I said, I here, Uh this is this is twenty
43:08
Speaker 2: one hours ago. So we are right around the right
43:12
Speaker 2: about halftime the Patriots quote week's schedule. Haters are sick
43:16
Speaker 2: watching this ass beating on the Buffalo Bills.
43:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they turn it around come back. I
43:23
Speaker 1: end up having to make a thread of a posting
43:25
Speaker 1: the Simba running from the stampede as the Buffalo Bills
43:29
Speaker 1: were coming back and momentums everything. Yeah.
43:33
Speaker 3: Hey, Can I ask another question though? And I'm genuinely.
43:36
Speaker 3: This is a genuine question. So the Thursday night game,
43:43
Speaker 3: Atlanta's down fourteen, they score, they go for two. They fail. Yeah,
43:48
Speaker 3: they get the interception, they get the ball, they go
43:51
Speaker 3: back down and score again. So they've scored back to
43:54
Speaker 3: back touchdowns. Had all the momentum failed the second point
44:01
Speaker 3: after try. I was told the second point after try,
44:03
Speaker 3: especially after scoring two touchdowns, everyone's feeling so much better,
44:07
Speaker 3: you're more likely to get it. Obviously didn't happen. They
44:11
Speaker 3: missed them both. The fifteen conversation after the Philly game,
44:16
Speaker 3: I was told that you should go for two after
44:18
Speaker 3: the second touchdown because after scoring two touchdowns in a row,
44:21
Speaker 3: you've got all the momentum, you're more likely to convert.
44:24
Speaker 3: The two point. Didn't happen. I was also told that
44:27
Speaker 3: after not tying the game like they would have without
44:30
Speaker 3: with the two kicks, they would have tied the game,
44:32
Speaker 3: the defense was not going to play as motivated and
44:35
Speaker 3: was not going to be as the urgency was not
44:37
Speaker 3: going to be there because instead of being tied on losing,
44:42
Speaker 3: they went out, got the ball right back, and they
44:45
Speaker 3: went down to kick the field goal. So I guess
44:46
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to understand why they kept playing hard
44:52
Speaker 3: despite not tying the game, despite having all the momentum.
44:56
Speaker 3: They failed the two point try. I'm just trying to
44:59
Speaker 3: keep try. When the emotions mattered, when the execution mattered,
45:03
Speaker 3: when the vibes were good bad, It's hard for me
45:07
Speaker 3: to keep track of it.
45:08
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say, Greg, you won this week, you
45:14
Speaker 1: won this battle. The war continues. There will be situations
45:18
Speaker 1: now or we'll be right back here and I'll get
45:21
Speaker 1: to do the same type of trolling you're doing to
45:23
Speaker 1: me right now. I will win this week. I win
45:26
Speaker 1: this week.
45:26
Speaker 3: The outcome no, no, no, See here's the difference. I'm
45:29
Speaker 3: not saying that I'm right because they won the game.
45:33
Speaker 3: I'm laying in bed and like you, I'm getting fired
45:36
Speaker 3: on Twitter because people like, where's Olsen now going for two?
45:40
Speaker 3: They're gonna lose, and I'm sitting there like I would
45:43
Speaker 3: still go for two down fourteen. They didn't and they're
45:46
Speaker 3: probably gonna lose. And this definitely is on the other
45:50
Speaker 3: camp side, anecdotally seat because again we want to judge
45:55
Speaker 3: the result instead of what's actually happened. Here's the reality
45:59
Speaker 3: of all this. If you're down fourteen fifteen thirteen. Any
46:04
Speaker 3: you're probably gonna lose more times than not anyway, so yes,
46:09
Speaker 3: more chances than not you're gonna lose the game. And
46:11
Speaker 3: then you guys see, it was a stupid decision. Being
46:15
Speaker 3: down fourteen is not a great strategy. Being down fifteen
46:17
Speaker 3: is not a great strategy. They happened to win the game.
46:21
Speaker 3: And that's my entire point, the mote to put to
46:24
Speaker 3: say that teams are trying less hard more hard. I
46:28
Speaker 3: scored two touchdowns, so I'm gonna get the two versus
46:31
Speaker 3: my first touchdown. The defense is no longer tired. But
46:34
Speaker 3: I thought they were so tired. They're on their heels,
46:36
Speaker 3: they're reelings their sucking wind. We talk all these cliches.
46:42
Speaker 3: All I'm simply saying is I'm not debating that we
46:45
Speaker 3: all haven't felt these things. We all do as humans.
46:48
Speaker 3: I'm just saying they don't matter.
46:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, gosh, can I just say, Greg, having you on
46:54
Speaker 2: the show, that was a masterclass, That was a master class.
46:57
Speaker 2: Any vondas at the end of it too, I don't
47:00
Speaker 2: know what that means. Vince fun Vince FONND wedding crashers
47:02
Speaker 2: are they're sucking win, They're not sucking win the defensive sign,
47:04
Speaker 2: but are they really tired? Now we're sitting here and
47:06
Speaker 2: we're thinking, is everybody actually just tired? And it's actually
47:08
Speaker 2: a sequelized.
47:09
Speaker 1: He got me to say he won, but he's like,
47:11
Speaker 1: that's that, that doesn't even matter. He got me focused
47:13
Speaker 1: on something else. No, No, I'm not even talking about that. Yeah,
47:16
Speaker 1: and then goes on and you know, finishes it off
47:18
Speaker 1: by putting me at your and buckling me in right.
47:20
Speaker 2: And give you a little kiss on the cheek.
47:21
Speaker 1: You want some snatch it again? Hey, hey, you did it,
47:27
Speaker 1: and you did a great job of it.
47:29
Speaker 2: And I will say, like what I was going to
47:31
Speaker 2: say before we jumped into all that was is having
47:34
Speaker 2: you on Mondays has like changed the way I've watched
47:37
Speaker 2: end of games to where I'm I'm leaning on the
47:40
Speaker 2: side of Olsen camp, Like, hey, does motivate, does motivation, momentum?
47:43
Speaker 2: All these things doesn't really matter. When it's like you're
47:45
Speaker 2: down by fourteen, you score a touchdown, you go for
47:47
Speaker 2: two because you're much more likely to get fifty percent
47:50
Speaker 2: than one hundred percent, so you might as well try
47:52
Speaker 2: to go for it once. Question of the game, right thirty,
47:56
Speaker 2: we're talking about the Buffalo Bills and the Patriots. It's
47:58
Speaker 2: thirty five thirty one. Literally took a photo of this
48:00
Speaker 2: and I was like, I gotta ask what he would
48:02
Speaker 2: do in the situation.
48:02
Speaker 3: Wait, catch that game, so.
48:04
Speaker 2: You know what pisses me off to and we got
48:06
Speaker 2: to figure this out. I don't have your number. I've
48:08
Speaker 2: multiple times have been like, great.
48:10
Speaker 1: Need to be Hey, we'll get it. Let's get a
48:12
Speaker 1: group going.
48:13
Speaker 2: And I've honestly won asket but a place's embarss. So
48:16
Speaker 2: we've gone this wrong.
48:17
Speaker 3: I bench press last week. Boys woke up very sore,
48:19
Speaker 3: no shit for reps.
48:22
Speaker 2: No hoo many.
48:24
Speaker 3: Not enough.
48:27
Speaker 2: Brother may as that I've worked out three times. Okay,
48:31
Speaker 2: thirty five thirty one. Now the Patriots, this is the
48:34
Speaker 2: Bills are now beating the Patriots. So the Patriots are
48:37
Speaker 2: up at one point momentum, the whole thing we're still
48:39
Speaker 2: talking about.
48:40
Speaker 3: That got it.
48:40
Speaker 2: It's thirty five thirty one. The Patriots are on let's
48:43
Speaker 2: say the thirty yard line, the Bills thirty yard line.
48:46
Speaker 2: So if they don't get a first down here, it's
48:48
Speaker 2: essentially the game is over. There's five minutes and nineteen
48:51
Speaker 2: seconds left. It's fourth and twelve. Are you going to
48:55
Speaker 2: go for it in this situation and define the game?
48:57
Speaker 2: Or is that way out of hand?
48:58
Speaker 3: At this point, you're the plus, you're on the plus thirty.
49:02
Speaker 2: You're in a tree, You're you're on the minus side.
49:05
Speaker 2: So the Patriots if they turned the ball over, yeah,
49:08
Speaker 2: If the Patriots turn the ball over, god, yeah.
49:10
Speaker 3: So they turned it over on downs on the minus
49:12
Speaker 3: thirty down four, right, they went for fourth and twelve
49:16
Speaker 3: and failed.
49:16
Speaker 2: They did not go for it. They ended up punting
49:18
Speaker 2: it away and while and when they're punting it away,
49:20
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, Okay, the Bills at this point and this
49:23
Speaker 2: half have scored so much over you and.
49:26
Speaker 3: Have come and what did the Bills do when they
49:28
Speaker 3: got The Bills.
49:29
Speaker 2: End up going They end up not scoring, and the
49:32
Speaker 2: Patriots get get the ball again. They get the ball again,
49:34
Speaker 2: they have a two minute, they fail, they end up
49:36
Speaker 2: losing the game. Anyway, I think the result of the
49:37
Speaker 2: game was the same score, thirty five thirty one. I
49:40
Speaker 2: have to look at it.
49:41
Speaker 3: So was this I'm trying to put Yeah, so this
49:46
Speaker 3: was the punt. So they punted fourth and twenty trioits
49:50
Speaker 3: punted fourth and twelve.
49:52
Speaker 2: I think they're on like the thirty yard line, but
49:54
Speaker 2: they're not going in. They're coming out right, soah, fourth
49:58
Speaker 2: and twelve at the twenty five and it's five to
50:02
Speaker 2: nineteen left the Bills of nineteen. The Bills have scored like,
50:06
Speaker 2: you know, thirty five to or whatever, twenty eight to
50:09
Speaker 2: three in the second half. So you're saying, by punting
50:13
Speaker 2: this ball away, we're I think they're taking a knee
50:17
Speaker 2: based on your logic, because they're gonna go down and
50:19
Speaker 2: score again, or they're gonna be able to keep kind
50:22
Speaker 2: of doing what they've been doing to you with the
50:23
Speaker 2: score this.
50:24
Speaker 3: High, or at the very least, they don't score, but
50:26
Speaker 3: they just get you under the two minute warning. They
50:29
Speaker 3: bleed you out the run game. So by being only
50:31
Speaker 3: up four there now fourth and twelve sucks.
50:35
Speaker 2: That's a shitty one.
50:36
Speaker 3: It's a shitty one, right, So like that's probably the
50:39
Speaker 3: one asterisk. I'm probably still going for it. And here's
50:42
Speaker 3: why I'm gonna speed up you scoring on me, right,
50:46
Speaker 3: I haven't stopped you. You've got thirty five points. I
50:49
Speaker 3: can't stop a soul. You've scored thirty five damn near unanswered.
50:53
Speaker 3: I'm being down four. I'm not afraid I'll give my
50:57
Speaker 3: chances to go for fourth down to maintain possession. If
50:59
Speaker 3: I fail, you're probably gonna go run, run, run, kick
51:03
Speaker 3: a field goal to go up seven. So obviously I
51:06
Speaker 3: can't let you score a touchdown of the game's over.
51:08
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, okay, short field, we narrow it down.
51:12
Speaker 3: You're trying to bleed clock. You're trying to at least
51:14
Speaker 3: say I gotta come away here with three points. How
51:18
Speaker 3: aggressive are you gonna be? Are you really gonna go
51:20
Speaker 3: for the death shot? Are you gonna be okay kicking
51:22
Speaker 3: a field goal? I'm probably okay taking my chances because
51:26
Speaker 3: I can still keep it a one possession game at seven.
51:29
Speaker 3: If I'm trailing there by six, now the math turns
51:33
Speaker 3: into okay, I let you score. Now it turns into
51:36
Speaker 3: a two possession game. But if I punt it back
51:38
Speaker 3: to you and you bleed too much clock and still
51:41
Speaker 3: kick a field goal, now I really don't have a chance.
51:44
Speaker 3: So all those situations, my brain says, you gotta maintain possession.
51:50
Speaker 3: Even if you give New England the ball on the
51:52
Speaker 3: short field, then you've got to hold them to a
51:55
Speaker 3: field goals, maintown seven and give the ball back to Drake.
51:58
Speaker 3: May you punt it away? Did they go three and
52:01
Speaker 3: out and get the ball right back?
52:02
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was three and out, but
52:04
Speaker 2: they had the ball I think either right before.
52:08
Speaker 3: They got they.
52:10
Speaker 1: Got the ball back.
52:10
Speaker 2: But okay, does it?
52:11
Speaker 1: Does it?
52:12
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't mention this would be unfair to
52:13
Speaker 2: you to not bring it up. They have Patriots have
52:15
Speaker 2: all their time out, all their time outs, have all
52:17
Speaker 2: their timeouts rabels. Yeah, so they have all their timeouts.
52:20
Speaker 2: It's fourth and twelve. You're backed up on like your
52:24
Speaker 2: twenty five.
52:25
Speaker 3: You're not giving the ball back to Josh Allen at all?
52:29
Speaker 2: Right, you don't want to, so you want to go
52:31
Speaker 2: for the fourth score on me.
52:33
Speaker 3: I'm going to do everything in my power to maintain
52:35
Speaker 3: possession of the ball.
52:36
Speaker 2: Okay, let's und I know you are, but let's go
52:39
Speaker 2: fourth and twelve. Fourth and twelve, they don't get it. Okay,
52:42
Speaker 2: So now you're the Bills. You're essentially in your red
52:46
Speaker 2: zone fringe area, and I hate that. I can't remember
52:48
Speaker 2: the exact yard line they were on. If you yeah,
52:51
Speaker 2: I'm saying, do you say we're either going to be
52:54
Speaker 2: up by four or up by eleven or is it
52:57
Speaker 2: we're going to take the three because in my mind,
52:59
Speaker 2: based on your law, if I'm picking up everything, is
53:01
Speaker 2: this is not a kick of field goal situation even
53:03
Speaker 2: though we're in it, because the amount of touchdowns or
53:06
Speaker 2: the amount of scores it takes is still the same regardless.
53:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point, right. Anticipating what is the
53:12
Speaker 3: track record of your opponent is a huge element of
53:15
Speaker 3: how they build all these models, and I think it's
53:17
Speaker 3: a really important nuance. So when each team sets these
53:21
Speaker 3: scenarios up in these big books that these guys have upstairs,
53:24
Speaker 3: where this is all planned out what we do in
53:26
Speaker 3: every scenario each week, the math does change a little bit.
53:30
Speaker 3: Everyone has this oh with it's just blanket mathematics that
53:34
Speaker 3: it doesn't apply to you because your right guard is out,
53:37
Speaker 3: or your left tackle is not good, or your quarterback
53:39
Speaker 3: is hurt. It absolutely takes all that into account. It
53:43
Speaker 3: takes into account the team you're playing against. If I'm
53:46
Speaker 3: playing against Dan Campbell, I have to really sit down
53:49
Speaker 3: all week and say, Okay, he's going to really be
53:51
Speaker 3: aggressive on fourth down, He's not going to settle for
53:53
Speaker 3: field goals. He's going to play a certain way. How
53:56
Speaker 3: am I willing to alter my strategy that I don't
53:59
Speaker 3: fall too far behind and I lose too many possessions.
54:02
Speaker 3: So a big evaluation there for Varibel has to be Okay,
54:05
Speaker 3: I fail here and I give the ball back to
54:08
Speaker 3: McDermott and Joe Brady aside from them wanting to bleed
54:12
Speaker 3: clock make me start burning through my timeouts. If I'm McDermott,
54:17
Speaker 3: I don't love the idea being up seven because more
54:20
Speaker 3: often than not, if you do go down and score,
54:22
Speaker 3: you're probably going to go for two. Now with the
54:25
Speaker 3: new overtime rules, I'll be curious to see how this
54:28
Speaker 3: plays out over long periods of time. In the old days,
54:31
Speaker 3: you went for two and you just said I got
54:32
Speaker 3: a chance to win the game. I'm either going to
54:34
Speaker 3: win or lose in regulation. Now there is an argument
54:37
Speaker 3: with the new each team possessing the ball, maybe that
54:41
Speaker 3: does shift the decision making. I don't think we've seen
54:43
Speaker 3: enough quantity of attempts for it to really flush out
54:46
Speaker 3: how teams handle end of regulation go for two or
54:49
Speaker 3: kick an extra point. But yes, if it's me, I'm
54:52
Speaker 3: in four down mode unless it's fourth and fifteen and
54:56
Speaker 3: I'm saying I'm scoring a touchdown at all costs to
54:59
Speaker 3: an sence, make this a two score game, and you
55:01
Speaker 3: don't have enough time to have the ball twice. So
55:04
Speaker 3: there's a lot of my decisions and the anticipation of
55:08
Speaker 3: what you have to do. That's a really unique situation.
55:11
Speaker 3: The fourth and twelve is what gives me a little pause.
55:14
Speaker 2: That's what when I saw the fourth and drowls are
55:17
Speaker 2: really curious to see.
55:18
Speaker 3: Hodds are just not great converting that. So fourth and
55:24
Speaker 3: seven are under I'm saying all day, I'm going to
55:27
Speaker 3: try to maintain possession fourth and twelve. I could probably
55:29
Speaker 3: make a great argument that punting might be the right move.
55:35
Speaker 3: Do I think McDermott's thinking four down mode? Or do
55:38
Speaker 3: I think he feels better going from four to seven? Probably?
55:43
Speaker 3: I think Again, we talk about this a lot. There's
55:44
Speaker 3: a psychology there where let's say McDermott gets the ball.
55:49
Speaker 3: This is a this is a fun kind of exercise
55:51
Speaker 3: because you talk about the postgame press conference. You guys
55:54
Speaker 3: know how I feel about that shaping a lot of decisions.
55:57
Speaker 3: Let's say that scenario plays out. They go for it, fail,
56:00
Speaker 3: give the ball back to Buffalo. Buffalo gets the fourth
56:04
Speaker 3: and four and goes for it and fails, and they
56:09
Speaker 3: go the length of the field and Drake May walk
56:11
Speaker 3: you off and they win. What's an easy what's an
56:15
Speaker 3: easier postgame press conference that? Or you kick a field goal,
56:20
Speaker 3: Drake May goes down, scores a touchdown, gets the two
56:23
Speaker 3: point conversion and beat you, or forces overtime and beat you.
56:28
Speaker 1: The easier on's the heart the hardest.
56:31
Speaker 3: Those are easier. Those are easier. Hey, we got to
56:33
Speaker 3: get better. Or two minute drive. We gave ourselves a chance.
56:36
Speaker 3: We competed right till the end. We came right down
56:38
Speaker 3: to the last play of the game. We're right there, right,
56:41
Speaker 3: there's this false notion that that way of losing feels better.
56:46
Speaker 3: Then I passed up a field goal, and now I
56:50
Speaker 3: open myself up to just losing flat out. That's a
56:54
Speaker 3: harder explanation for a coach to face, which is why
56:57
Speaker 3: a lot of these coaches are going to error towards
57:00
Speaker 3: kick the field goal, go up seven, and you know what,
57:02
Speaker 3: if we don't win, our players need to be better.
57:05
Speaker 3: This is on the We got to be better on defense.
57:07
Speaker 3: We got to be better in two minutes, right Like
57:09
Speaker 3: that's that's the human nature. Of all of this. So
57:13
Speaker 3: I think that's a great scenario because both teams theoretically
57:17
Speaker 3: could have had really interesting decisions based on what the
57:21
Speaker 3: other team did. So very good decision, very good example, Taylor.
57:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. I think, uh, but this is
57:27
Speaker 2: also where I understand your mindset and everything when it
57:32
Speaker 2: comes to you know, play calling and all that. But
57:36
Speaker 2: momentum doesn't matter. If you look at the second.
57:38
Speaker 3: Half, I say it doesn't matter. I'm not saying it's you.
57:40
Speaker 1: I say it's not much much.
57:41
Speaker 2: Of a factor. But if I'm vable, and I have
57:45
Speaker 2: not stopped the Bills at all the entire second half,
57:48
Speaker 2: and my only score in the second half was an
57:52
Speaker 2: explosive run play by Hendrick Hendrickson or Henderson Henderson thank
57:56
Speaker 2: you well supposed to be answering. So essentially my offense
57:59
Speaker 2: has been non exists in the second half. I'm based
58:02
Speaker 2: on all of our conversations that we had, I'm thinking
58:05
Speaker 2: fourth and twelve, you got to go for it because
58:06
Speaker 2: regardless you would think when they I don't think everybody's
58:10
Speaker 2: at this new way of thinking it where they're they're
58:12
Speaker 2: gonna run, run, run, kick the three. And now nothing's
58:15
Speaker 2: changed about the game. It's still a one score game.
58:18
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, here's their second half possessions for the Patriots.
58:21
Speaker 3: Three plays minus six yards, seven plays, interception, one sixty
58:28
Speaker 3: five yard touchdown, three plays minus seven punt, four plays
58:33
Speaker 3: five yards downs. That was their that was their second
58:38
Speaker 3: half possessions. Go.
58:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's where and here and here was Buffalo touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,
58:49
Speaker 4: punt Neil god.
58:53
Speaker 2: So that's where momentum, in my mind is is a
58:55
Speaker 2: huge is a big factor. It's like the.
59:00
Speaker 3: How do I want to give the team to the
59:01
Speaker 3: better offense, give the ball to the offense with the
59:03
Speaker 3: best player in the league who I can't stop.
59:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I have a new scenario for you.
59:10
Speaker 3: Love it now.
59:11
Speaker 1: This is I'm very curious. Let's say there's less than
59:15
Speaker 1: four minutes left or you're getting toward the end of
59:17
Speaker 1: the game. I want to say this happened in a
59:19
Speaker 1: situation yesterday. I can't recall which game it was, but
59:22
Speaker 1: the team scores to go up their six points now
59:27
Speaker 1: gives them a seven point lead before the extra point.
59:31
Speaker 1: Extra point gives them an eight point lead. My question is,
59:35
Speaker 1: in that situation, why would you not think about going
59:39
Speaker 1: for two to make it a nine point game. So
59:43
Speaker 1: that way you're getting a true two possession game. Saw
59:46
Speaker 1: which game was that?
59:47
Speaker 3: I saw somebody sent me on on Twitter.
59:50
Speaker 1: I want to say. I want to say, I see
59:52
Speaker 1: somebody else walking or post about it too. I want
59:54
Speaker 1: to say, because I want to shout out the boy.
59:56
Speaker 1: I think it's a I saw somebody asking this, Gosh
1:00:00
Speaker 1: damn it. Jake Maliseak, Jake Malisek with John Gruden. Yeah,
1:00:03
Speaker 1: over at barstool, he was asking the same thing. And
1:00:05
Speaker 1: I've been curious about that as well.
1:00:07
Speaker 3: All right, so here's my approach on that. And it's
1:00:11
Speaker 3: a valid point, right, being up eight versus being up nine.
1:00:15
Speaker 3: Once you go up nine, it's a must two possession game, right,
1:00:19
Speaker 3: you have to score twice. And an eight point game
1:00:23
Speaker 3: is a one score game. Call it half the time, right,
1:00:27
Speaker 3: So chance of it being a one score game, it's
1:00:30
Speaker 3: not a guaranteed one score game. You could need two possessions.
1:00:34
Speaker 3: At nine points, you obviously need two possessions. I want
1:00:38
Speaker 3: to say, there was like eight or nine minutes to
1:00:41
Speaker 3: go in that game when they kicked the extra point.
1:00:44
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, you can fact check me there, Okay,
1:00:47
Speaker 3: So my typical perspective is at eight or nine, with
1:00:51
Speaker 3: eight or nine minutes, you're gonna give your opponent at
1:00:55
Speaker 3: least two possessions, so just the score. At this point
1:00:58
Speaker 3: of the game, you start talking about how many possessions
1:01:02
Speaker 3: in a regular game, no on side kick and all that.
1:01:05
Speaker 3: How many possessions is your opponent.
1:01:07
Speaker 1: Going to get?
1:01:08
Speaker 3: If there's if it's at a point of a game
1:01:11
Speaker 3: where say you're under the two minute warning and I'm
1:01:13
Speaker 3: the underdog and it's Josh Allen and he's my opponent,
1:01:17
Speaker 3: do I want to give the ball to Josh Allen
1:01:20
Speaker 3: with down eight or do I want to just make
1:01:23
Speaker 3: this nine and say he could be Josh Allen and
1:01:25
Speaker 3: he can go down there and score on me. He
1:01:27
Speaker 3: has to score on sidekick, get it score again the
1:01:31
Speaker 3: odds of me, I feel a lot more comfortable defending
1:01:35
Speaker 3: that lead in those situations. But there's a time element,
1:01:38
Speaker 3: right putting Josh Allen down by nine with the risk
1:01:41
Speaker 3: of only being.
1:01:42
Speaker 1: Trying to put him down by nine, because again, if
1:01:44
Speaker 1: the offense gets the ball back, they could just go
1:01:46
Speaker 1: to at the end and then they could get you
1:01:48
Speaker 1: because again you're only up by seven.
1:01:50
Speaker 3: So correct, So where that's where the time element comes
1:01:55
Speaker 3: in and changes a lot of these factors. Right, you
1:01:58
Speaker 3: go back to our thing that started all this craziness
1:02:01
Speaker 3: was the down fifteen of Philadelphia. I would make an
1:02:05
Speaker 3: argument if you're down fifteen and you're at a point
1:02:09
Speaker 3: of a game where you have to onside kick anyway,
1:02:13
Speaker 3: right because there's a minute thirty left when you score,
1:02:17
Speaker 3: I'm kicking an extra point because no matter what, I'm
1:02:21
Speaker 3: still taking the on side kick after that scores, even
1:02:24
Speaker 3: if I'm down eight, i still have to on side
1:02:26
Speaker 3: kick to get the ball back because there's only a
1:02:27
Speaker 3: minute thirty. I'm not gonna be able to get the
1:02:29
Speaker 3: ball back with any meaningful time to go down to score.
1:02:32
Speaker 3: Now that scenario there was like just under four minutes.
1:02:36
Speaker 3: If I get the two point conversion, I don't have
1:02:38
Speaker 3: to onside kick, right because I'm only down seven. I
1:02:41
Speaker 3: have my three timeouts plus the two minute warning, I'm
1:02:43
Speaker 3: gonna kick it deep. So a lot of these decision
1:02:46
Speaker 3: making in those scenarios are very time dependent. The less time, right,
1:02:51
Speaker 3: it's teams when to go for two to win the
1:02:54
Speaker 3: game and when to kick the extra point to tie
1:02:56
Speaker 3: the game. So it was the Panthers game yesterday, they're
1:02:59
Speaker 3: up seven team ten. New Orleans goes down to score
1:03:04
Speaker 3: a touchdown, but they only kicked the extra point to
1:03:07
Speaker 3: make it seventeen seventeen. If there was thirty seconds left
1:03:10
Speaker 3: in that game, that's a much different conversation. Now, if
1:03:14
Speaker 3: I go for two, I win in regulation and virtually
1:03:19
Speaker 3: the game is over because you got thirty seconds in
1:03:20
Speaker 3: no timeouts. But there was a lot of time left.
1:03:23
Speaker 3: It was on the plus side of the two minute warning.
1:03:25
Speaker 3: I want to say they gave the ball back to
1:03:26
Speaker 3: Carolina with like two thirty on the clock. You're better
1:03:30
Speaker 3: off being tied with two thirty on the clock than
1:03:34
Speaker 3: even being up one. Because now, what does being up
1:03:37
Speaker 3: one do? It puts Bryce Young into four down mode,
1:03:40
Speaker 3: hyper aggressive to go down to beat you. What did
1:03:43
Speaker 3: Caroline do? It was tied, they went incomplete, incomplete, He
1:03:47
Speaker 3: was able to scramble for a first down. Long story short,
1:03:50
Speaker 3: they took a sack, they could, they punted it back
1:03:52
Speaker 3: to you. Now you now New Orleans went down on
1:03:56
Speaker 3: the game winning drive. So all of these situations, whether
1:03:59
Speaker 3: it's going up eight verse nine, whether it's going for
1:04:01
Speaker 3: two early, whether it's going for two to win the
1:04:04
Speaker 3: game in regulation, take a lead or tie it. Time
1:04:08
Speaker 3: is a critical element. Come the back half of the
1:04:11
Speaker 3: fourth quarter got you?
1:04:14
Speaker 1: So is there a cutoff in your brain when there
1:04:17
Speaker 1: was eight nine minutes left and this again, I forget
1:04:21
Speaker 1: which game it was, but this team kicks up to
1:04:23
Speaker 1: go up eight instead of thinking about going for two
1:04:25
Speaker 1: to make it nine points. Is there a cutoff to
1:04:27
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, I'm going to try and get
1:04:29
Speaker 1: nine points in this situation risk?
1:04:33
Speaker 3: I don't think you have the timeouts, the two minute
1:04:35
Speaker 3: warning timeouts. How many times can you stop the clock
1:04:38
Speaker 3: two minute warning timeouts?
1:04:40
Speaker 1: Okay?
1:04:41
Speaker 3: And what is the likelihood of you possessing the ball
1:04:43
Speaker 3: and without getting an onside kick, without something crazy happening?
1:04:47
Speaker 3: What is the chances in a normal flow game of
1:04:49
Speaker 3: you possessing the ball two more times? If the likelihood
1:04:53
Speaker 3: is that you're going to possess the ball two more times,
1:04:56
Speaker 3: it's not as valuable. I'm better off being up eight.
1:04:58
Speaker 3: Kick disra point to be up eight. Where at least
1:05:00
Speaker 3: you can't beat me in a one possession game. You
1:05:04
Speaker 3: can only at best time me and fifty percent of
1:05:07
Speaker 3: the time you're gonna still lose to me. Yeah, Yeah,
1:05:10
Speaker 3: but if I can make it nine, you have to
1:05:13
Speaker 3: touch the ball twice? Yeah, do you have enough time
1:05:17
Speaker 3: for that to happen without a five percent chance of
1:05:20
Speaker 3: an on side kick? That's where my head goes making
1:05:24
Speaker 3: those decisions.
1:05:26
Speaker 1: Gotcha?
1:05:27
Speaker 3: And who am I.
1:05:28
Speaker 1: Kicking the ball back to right a lot of area?
1:05:30
Speaker 3: Am my kicking the ball? Am I kicking the ball
1:05:32
Speaker 3: back to a team that can't score? Worth the shit?
1:05:35
Speaker 3: Or am I kicking the ball back to a team
1:05:36
Speaker 3: that scored four touchdowns in a row? On me? Like Buffalo?
1:05:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really these conversations show Like as I've gotten
1:05:44
Speaker 2: more and more out of the league, I've realized how
1:05:46
Speaker 2: important coaching is. And I know it's a weird thing
1:05:48
Speaker 2: to say, but like, as a player, I think we
1:05:50
Speaker 2: live in this world of like brainwashing, like we're gonna
1:05:53
Speaker 2: get it done for the boys, especially in college, Like
1:05:55
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, we can win every single game because
1:05:57
Speaker 2: a grit and spit in the whole thing. And then
1:05:59
Speaker 2: as you get farther farther remove, do you realize how
1:06:02
Speaker 2: these little moments in games, how critically important they are.
1:06:06
Speaker 2: And it's just it's, dude, it's so fascinating to like
1:06:09
Speaker 2: be thirty four years old, three years out of the league,
1:06:11
Speaker 2: and like still like being like, yo, this is insane.
1:06:13
Speaker 2: I didn't even know this when I was playing. How
1:06:15
Speaker 2: important this was.
1:06:16
Speaker 3: Did you see the Mike McDonald interview after the game.
1:06:19
Speaker 3: Everyone's talking a lot about it, about him using those timeouts.
1:06:24
Speaker 3: Indianapolis had the ball before they went down to take
1:06:26
Speaker 3: the go ahead field goal. They asked Mike McDonald about,
1:06:30
Speaker 3: how did you squeeze out another possession and you ended
1:06:33
Speaker 3: up giving yourself another opportunity to go answer the field
1:06:35
Speaker 3: goal which eventually walked off Indy, And he talked about
1:06:40
Speaker 3: his analytics guy and how they build these and mentioned
1:06:43
Speaker 3: the guy by name, and the guy's like, hey, and
1:06:45
Speaker 3: we've said this a thousand times on broadcast, so it's
1:06:48
Speaker 3: nice to now hear these coaches say it in postgame interviews.
1:06:51
Speaker 3: For now everybody to cover it. You always use your
1:06:55
Speaker 3: timeouts on defense. You always use your timeouts on defense
1:06:59
Speaker 3: because I can't stop the clock on defense like I
1:07:02
Speaker 3: can on offense. And by doing that, you hear these
1:07:05
Speaker 3: coaches all the time say, oh, save one for the kick,
1:07:08
Speaker 3: save one for your offense. You're better off having more
1:07:12
Speaker 3: time with no timeouts than less time with more timeouts
1:07:18
Speaker 3: as an offense, so they burn time out, time out,
1:07:21
Speaker 3: time out, they end up kicking a field goal. You
1:07:23
Speaker 3: get the ball back with no timeouts. But I can
1:07:27
Speaker 3: stop the clock, I can clock it, I can throw
1:07:28
Speaker 3: it out of bounds, I can get you know, there's
1:07:30
Speaker 3: a million ways for me to do it. If they
1:07:32
Speaker 3: would have said, oh, we've got to save a time
1:07:33
Speaker 3: out for the field goal, we've got to save a
1:07:35
Speaker 3: timeout for the offense, that time is way more valuable
1:07:40
Speaker 3: to your offense than that one timeout. And Mike McDonald
1:07:45
Speaker 3: played it perfectly, called all of his timeouts on the
1:07:47
Speaker 3: minus side of the two minute warning, all on defense,
1:07:50
Speaker 3: gave his offense a chance and they won. Yeah, that
1:07:53
Speaker 3: wasn't a that was not an emotional in the moment decision.
1:07:57
Speaker 3: That shit was decided four months ago.
1:08:00
Speaker 1: And you have to have a supreme operation offensively because
1:08:03
Speaker 1: again defensively, you're trying to protect a sideline. More so,
1:08:06
Speaker 1: of course, can't get started, it can't get the opposite.
1:08:09
Speaker 3: They could have easily. But here's what's funny. He could
1:08:12
Speaker 3: have done everything the exact same and they don't get
1:08:16
Speaker 3: in field goal range, or Myers misses the kick and
1:08:19
Speaker 3: no one after the game is saying, Mike McDonald, you
1:08:22
Speaker 3: did a great job with your timeouts. Right. The story
1:08:26
Speaker 3: is you lost to a forty four year old quarterback
1:08:28
Speaker 3: who retired five years ago. Yeah, so again, we only
1:08:32
Speaker 3: reward the really good coaches when the outcome benefits them, right,
1:08:38
Speaker 3: But he still did a great job managing the game.
1:08:41
Speaker 3: The only reason we're talking about it is because they
1:08:43
Speaker 3: won the game.
1:08:44
Speaker 2: Righteah, and because Philip Rivers was playing. That's just absolutely incredible, dude.
1:08:50
Speaker 2: Chargers Chiefs sixteen thirteen. It's the first time since nineteen
1:08:55
Speaker 2: ninety eight that the playoffs will not feature Tom Brady,
1:08:59
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes since nineteen ninety eight. And
1:09:03
Speaker 2: I know, like Will, like we've played this game before,
1:09:05
Speaker 2: of like Will being a hater of the Chiefs, but
1:09:08
Speaker 2: you like watching the season Week one in Brazil, they
1:09:11
Speaker 2: play the Chargers, they lose, everyone's like, oh, they'll get
1:09:13
Speaker 2: back on track, and then as the season's gotten going,
1:09:17
Speaker 2: they've kind of gone from this. Like anytime the Chiefs lose,
1:09:20
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, their offensive line was kind of overpowered
1:09:22
Speaker 2: and Patrick Mahomes didn't have time to do as much magic.
1:09:25
Speaker 2: And then later in the season in late November early December.
1:09:28
Speaker 2: It turned into, Hey, these guys that were so used
1:09:31
Speaker 2: to making incredible plays aren't making those plays, whether it's drops, miscues,
1:09:35
Speaker 2: all these types of things. And then yesterday happens where
1:09:38
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes rolls out to the right his left leg
1:09:41
Speaker 2: hyper extents. It looks like an ACL. I think it
1:09:43
Speaker 2: was confirmed by Patrick himself that it is an ACL,
1:09:46
Speaker 2: and we are potentially looking at the last time Kelsey
1:09:50
Speaker 2: and Mahomes are together this Chiefs run. You know, there's
1:09:53
Speaker 2: a lot of question marks taking place, and I don't
1:09:55
Speaker 2: really know where this conversation is going on than like
1:09:58
Speaker 2: this is fucking wild, tough ta take place.
1:10:01
Speaker 1: As as a guy who's been like a Chiefs troll,
1:10:04
Speaker 1: Chiefs hater, I didn't even feel good feeling celebratory in
1:10:08
Speaker 1: the Chiefs losing and officially being out of playoffs because
1:10:10
Speaker 1: the Bills won two against New England that's what knocked
1:10:12
Speaker 1: them out. Yeah, to see Mahomes go down, bro, it's heartbreaking.
1:10:17
Speaker 1: And again it's like another bizarre stat was I want
1:10:20
Speaker 1: to say Tom Brady in his ninth season towards ACL,
1:10:22
Speaker 1: they didn't make New England, didn't make the playoffs. Patrick
1:10:25
Speaker 1: Mahomes ninth season in the NFL tears his ACL. Chiefs
1:10:27
Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs. Just a lot of these weird
1:10:29
Speaker 1: dots getting connected. Is the Chiefs dynasty over? Is that
1:10:33
Speaker 1: the last time we're ever going to see Travis Kelce
1:10:35
Speaker 1: on the football field? Patrick Mahomes Just tearing your ACL
1:10:39
Speaker 1: in fucking December two. It's just brutal, especially when you're
1:10:42
Speaker 1: trying to save the season. It's not likely that you're
1:10:44
Speaker 1: gonna make the playoffs, and they see it happen that way,
1:10:48
Speaker 1: is you know, shitty man. So, yeah, you're gonna you're
1:10:51
Speaker 1: gonna be training all off season, You're gonna be getting
1:10:54
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna be dialed in and locked in.
1:10:56
Speaker 1: You have to be if you're going to make what
1:10:58
Speaker 1: week one of next year?
1:10:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have of essentially like these next Like Greg,
1:11:03
Speaker 2: you've ever you've never an ACL?
1:11:05
Speaker 3: No?
1:11:05
Speaker 2: Okay, well, the ACL game is this Like when you
1:11:07
Speaker 2: tear your ACL. A lot of times guys can go
1:11:08
Speaker 2: get surgery twenty four forty eight hours later, or some
1:11:12
Speaker 2: times it takes guys multiple weeks. You'll get the surgery
1:11:14
Speaker 2: and they have to actually exercise the leg to pump
1:11:16
Speaker 2: out the swelling because the knee based on how much swelling.
1:11:19
Speaker 2: If you have a lot of it, then you have
1:11:20
Speaker 2: to take time to get that swelling up before you
1:11:22
Speaker 2: can go. And so every day week that takes place.
1:11:26
Speaker 2: Like right now, we're on that fringe area, where can
1:11:28
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes make it eight months from now to week one?
1:11:31
Speaker 2: And that's gonna be the storyline heading into July with
1:11:34
Speaker 2: the Chiefs with their revamped offensive, whether Kelsey is there
1:11:37
Speaker 2: or not, what kind of new pieces they've they've added
1:11:40
Speaker 2: to it. It's a it's gonna be a very interesting
1:11:42
Speaker 2: offseason for Patrick Mahomes cause.
1:11:45
Speaker 1: Is this a player you feel like you're up against
1:11:46
Speaker 1: the clock every day, up against.
1:11:47
Speaker 2: The clock every single day. And if you could just
1:11:49
Speaker 2: grab Mahomes and be like, bro, week one does not
1:11:52
Speaker 2: matter next year. I'm just letting you know, like what
1:11:54
Speaker 2: matters is making like go to latrosh head over to
1:11:58
Speaker 2: la get the job done the way it's supposed to
1:11:59
Speaker 2: do correctly, and then just listen to your body all
1:12:02
Speaker 2: the way through it. Don't let's not rush the game
1:12:04
Speaker 2: to week one because we all know how long of
1:12:05
Speaker 2: a season it is. It just sucks to you because
1:12:07
Speaker 2: you see all these like distractions coming out of the
1:12:10
Speaker 2: Mahomes camp the last seven or eight years, and all
1:12:13
Speaker 2: of the distractions have never been Patrick. It's never been him.
1:12:17
Speaker 2: It's been this or that or all these other things,
1:12:19
Speaker 2: and for it to happen to him just absolutely sucks
1:12:22
Speaker 2: because he is one of he's the baby goat right now,
1:12:24
Speaker 2: and you kind of want them, You kind of want
1:12:26
Speaker 2: them to like you go from being like kind of
1:12:29
Speaker 2: relieved that we're seeing a new group of logos in
1:12:32
Speaker 2: the playoffs too, I'm kind of sitting here being like,
1:12:34
Speaker 2: I can't wait for this comeback story about Patrick Mahomes,
1:12:37
Speaker 2: like going in next year and like winning the division
1:12:40
Speaker 2: and all that, like can he do the storybook type
1:12:42
Speaker 2: of thing.
1:12:44
Speaker 3: It's just there's such an appreciation for what they've done
1:12:48
Speaker 3: that even as a competitor, right like even as someone
1:12:50
Speaker 3: who's you know, granted none of us are still playing,
1:12:54
Speaker 3: but like even when you're playing and you didn't want
1:12:56
Speaker 3: New England to win, or you didn't want Indie and
1:12:58
Speaker 3: you didn't want you know, we didn't want Denver, there
1:13:01
Speaker 3: was always those teams. But as it just understanding how
1:13:04
Speaker 3: hard all of this is, you can't help but to
1:13:07
Speaker 3: have an appreciation for what these guys have done for
1:13:10
Speaker 3: this long, knowing firsthand how hard it is to get
1:13:14
Speaker 3: there once, let alone time and time again, you just
1:13:17
Speaker 3: develop an appreciation where you're like, you know what, Like
1:13:20
Speaker 3: we're not Chiefs fans, we're not, but like, man, you
1:13:23
Speaker 3: can't not be a Chiefs fan or a Homes fan,
1:13:27
Speaker 3: or a Kelsey fan and Andy Reid fan more out
1:13:30
Speaker 3: of just respect for how hard it is to do
1:13:32
Speaker 3: what they've done for as long as they have when
1:13:35
Speaker 3: the league is entirely designed to prevent that from happening.
1:13:40
Speaker 3: The way the schedule, the way the draft order, the
1:13:42
Speaker 3: way teams get poached talent, coaching staff, cap the way
1:13:46
Speaker 3: it's capped. You can't pay everyone. Guys get big contracts
1:13:50
Speaker 3: off winning teams that they're not even that good, But
1:13:53
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's like I need a piece
1:13:54
Speaker 3: of the Chiefs. I need a piece of the Patriots.
1:13:57
Speaker 3: And coaches get jobs they wouldn't otherwise get, players get
1:14:00
Speaker 3: contracts they wouldn't otherwise get. Winning is the greatest preventor
1:14:04
Speaker 3: of future winning, and it's by design in the NFL.
1:14:07
Speaker 3: So it's more of that for me, Like to see
1:14:10
Speaker 3: what Travis has done to see what Kelsey's done, I mean,
1:14:13
Speaker 3: Mahomes and these guys Like I just as a guy
1:14:15
Speaker 3: who loves football and appreciates how hard it is. I
1:14:19
Speaker 3: just have a lot of respect for what these guys
1:14:21
Speaker 3: have done over the last you know, ever many years. Yeah.
1:14:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the sickening work ethic and mentality and mentality
1:14:27
Speaker 1: that goes into showing up year and and you're out,
1:14:29
Speaker 1: Especially when you've been at the top for so long,
1:14:32
Speaker 1: you can easily like lose that edge, you know, drink
1:14:35
Speaker 1: your own kool aid all that stuff. And for them
1:14:36
Speaker 1: to maintain that dominance for so long. Uh Yeah, it's
1:14:40
Speaker 1: definitely an appreciation and respect just for what that kind
1:14:43
Speaker 1: of success takes. It's weird. It's it is weird knowing
1:14:48
Speaker 1: that I've been rooting for the Chiefs downfall and they're
1:14:51
Speaker 1: actually not in it this year, actually not in it
1:14:54
Speaker 1: in the way they're not in it too. Yeah. Yeah,
1:14:56
Speaker 1: it's almost like not as fun either years ago. Part
1:14:59
Speaker 1: of me that like, they're not they're not in the playoffs. No,
1:15:02
Speaker 1: they're not gonna make They've been out of it. Even
1:15:04
Speaker 1: though this week was the last final domino. In my head,
1:15:06
Speaker 1: they've been out of it. They're not gonna make it,
1:15:08
Speaker 1: but the fact that they're not out of it, there's
1:15:09
Speaker 1: almost this little part of me that was hopeful that
1:15:12
Speaker 1: would they that they would go on this winning streak
1:15:14
Speaker 1: and then somehow they make it in the playoffs and
1:15:16
Speaker 1: the boogey Man made it to the playoffs. It's kind
1:15:19
Speaker 1: of all that error just feels like it's gone.
1:15:22
Speaker 2: You've won, but at what cost?
1:15:23
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, like I'm sure, uh,
1:15:26
Speaker 1: wheat goes by, I I'll start to find my energy again,
1:15:29
Speaker 1: my juice about it again. But yesterday the way it
1:15:32
Speaker 1: went down and then the buff the Bills come back,
1:15:34
Speaker 1: because it's like the Chiefs could lose, but as long
1:15:36
Speaker 1: as the Patriots win, they still have this little like
1:15:39
Speaker 1: percent yeah, yeah, something where you can still kind of
1:15:42
Speaker 1: kind of just throw salt in the wound. But now
1:15:44
Speaker 1: that it's officially over them, like, this wasn't near as
1:15:46
Speaker 1: fun as I thought it would.
1:15:47
Speaker 2: Right, you're the Yeah, it's one of those you you
1:15:49
Speaker 2: can't celebrate until there's the tweet that comes out by
1:15:53
Speaker 2: Adam Schefter saying that Pat Mahomes has had a successful
1:15:56
Speaker 2: surgery and everything's all good, And then that's when you
1:15:58
Speaker 2: can begin your trolling yet again.
1:16:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:16:04
Speaker 2: I was a rookie in the NFL twenty fourteen.
1:16:09
Speaker 3: I was in my eighth year.
1:16:13
Speaker 2: Eighth year in the NFL. That's crazy, dude. We got
1:16:16
Speaker 2: anything else for mister Olson, I.
1:16:19
Speaker 1: Don't think so let me check it and make sure
1:16:21
Speaker 1: that make sure. Let's see here you have Broncos.
1:16:24
Speaker 2: I see you got a baseball shirt on.
1:16:26
Speaker 1: Is that weird?
1:16:27
Speaker 2: New season? Now?
1:16:29
Speaker 3: No? I just this was the first. I had a
1:16:31
Speaker 3: bad flight coming home from Philly. I had like a
1:16:34
Speaker 3: four and a half hour delay, so I got home late,
1:16:37
Speaker 3: woke up early. This was the first T shirt. Just
1:16:40
Speaker 3: chucked it onto the kid's school.
1:16:42
Speaker 2: How how much longer is your contract with Fox?
1:16:45
Speaker 1: Like?
1:16:45
Speaker 2: How many more years?
1:16:46
Speaker 3: Next year is my last year?
1:16:48
Speaker 2: Perfect? Perfect negotiations? Do you do an incredible job? There's
1:16:52
Speaker 2: no doubt that fought. You have all the leverage in
1:16:54
Speaker 2: the world when you negotiate. When you negotiate, it's going
1:16:58
Speaker 2: to be, hey, that's great, we'll take this money. That
1:17:00
Speaker 2: sounds awesome. Last thing, before we do anything, I need
1:17:02
Speaker 2: a private jet to all these things. That would be
1:17:05
Speaker 2: a that's the move, dude. That means the ultimate game
1:17:08
Speaker 2: changer man, It's either allocate a certain amount of money
1:17:11
Speaker 2: in your funds and be like this does like the
1:17:12
Speaker 2: way our brains work is we take some allocation, we're like,
1:17:16
Speaker 2: it's like we've never even made that because we're able
1:17:18
Speaker 2: to get back to our families faster.
1:17:19
Speaker 1: And if you can do.
1:17:20
Speaker 2: Something, we can do it.
1:17:21
Speaker 3: Eighteen eighteen weeks in a row. That shit adds up
1:17:25
Speaker 3: if you flew private, if my schedule, I'm just making
1:17:27
Speaker 3: this up. If I flew private both ways for nineteen weeks,
1:17:32
Speaker 3: because I got a playoff game this year, so eighteen
1:17:34
Speaker 3: plus the playoffs, So if I did it nineteen weekends,
1:17:40
Speaker 3: it's probably a million bucks.
1:17:42
Speaker 1: You gotta find that number. And if you need us too,
1:17:44
Speaker 1: if you need us to kind of lift, like, hey,
1:17:45
Speaker 1: I got it off on the table right now, busting
1:17:47
Speaker 1: with the Yeah, that's the leverage.
1:17:49
Speaker 3: That's fair.
1:17:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, just let us know.
1:17:52
Speaker 3: How do you guys pay?
1:17:53
Speaker 2: Well, we were more of helping leverage, where so if
1:17:55
Speaker 2: like if Fox is like, hey, we'll pay you five dollars,
1:17:58
Speaker 2: we'll be like, hey, we're gonna pay you ten dollars,
1:18:00
Speaker 2: and they'll be like, funk, we'll pay you seven. Boom,
1:18:01
Speaker 2: you got them.
1:18:02
Speaker 3: You know we could you pay ten dollars? Yes, you
1:18:06
Speaker 3: have ten? Could you afford ten? I got it? That's
1:18:08
Speaker 3: good for ten dollars.
1:18:09
Speaker 2: You keep saying ten.
1:18:10
Speaker 1: That's what I means.
1:18:11
Speaker 3: If there's a five and ten, I was speaking dollars.
1:18:14
Speaker 2: Yes, if you want to come to ten million a
1:18:17
Speaker 2: year like you guys will, Yeah, if you want to
1:18:20
Speaker 2: come more for bust one of the boys, I can
1:18:21
Speaker 2: guarantee you ten dollars and I you know what, dude,
1:18:23
Speaker 2: I'll I'll beget a lifting something.
1:18:26
Speaker 3: I'm wide enough for an extra seat, there's one.
1:18:28
Speaker 1: We're here, tell you what we get you full time.
1:18:31
Speaker 1: We could talk shop.
1:18:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh we can talk shop. We don't. We're not
1:18:36
Speaker 3: evenna have the cameras on. We're just gonna talk shop.
1:18:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can just talk shop.
1:18:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if there's a world where Greg Olsen
1:18:42
Speaker 2: wants to be with the boys.
1:18:44
Speaker 3: I wish you guys lived I wish you guys lived close,
1:18:46
Speaker 3: because once a week I got like a group of buddies,
1:18:48
Speaker 3: more so in the off season because some of them
1:18:50
Speaker 3: are still playing. And the club we live on here,
1:18:54
Speaker 3: the Men's Grill, is like my favorite place. I always
1:18:56
Speaker 3: joke like it's It's literally my favorite place outside of
1:18:59
Speaker 3: my house in the world is the men's Grill at
1:19:03
Speaker 3: our club bartenders. You're sitting there, there's games on TVs. Food,
1:19:08
Speaker 3: it's just a great vibe. There's it's it's a great
1:19:11
Speaker 3: group of guys. So we have like a weekly offseason.
1:19:13
Speaker 3: We're like a handful of the guys. We go there
1:19:16
Speaker 3: and we're like, all we're gonna beet there at eleven,
1:19:17
Speaker 3: and next thing you know, it's like three p thirty.
1:19:19
Speaker 3: I'm like texting my wife, Hey, I'm not gonna be
1:19:21
Speaker 3: able to get the kids from Carpoola. Meanwhile, we're talking
1:19:25
Speaker 3: about complete nonsense, like hiring cycles of the NFL, the
1:19:30
Speaker 3: new salary. I mean just we are covering pretty much
1:19:33
Speaker 3: the ship we talk about on here. It is my
1:19:36
Speaker 3: favorite thing in the world to go hang with the
1:19:38
Speaker 3: boys and just talk whatever.
1:19:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it sounds like a podcast in the making.
1:19:43
Speaker 3: I know, the fucking best.
1:19:45
Speaker 1: He g got to your left. We got to start great.
1:19:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, your left to just keep in mind busting what
1:19:49
Speaker 2: the boys. We're gonna throw a hat in the ring.
1:19:52
Speaker 3: Dude, Hey, I appreciate you guys.
1:19:54
Speaker 1: My last question, what do you make of the emotion
1:19:58
Speaker 1: going into Josh Allen potentially being the the the MVP
1:20:01
Speaker 1: front runner for the NFL. I feel like that that
1:20:05
Speaker 1: obviously he's gonna be in the conversation. But I'm sitting
1:20:07
Speaker 1: here like I saw Danny would be, like Josh Allen's
1:20:09
Speaker 1: the MVP right now after the couple weeks that he's
1:20:11
Speaker 1: had this eb I get playing late like he's the
1:20:14
Speaker 1: guy that's got it all on his shoulders, doing less,
1:20:16
Speaker 1: are doing more with less? Yeah, yeada YadA. But I'm
1:20:18
Speaker 1: sitting here, It's like, are we really going to get
1:20:19
Speaker 1: this close to one of the better years that Matt
1:20:21
Speaker 1: Stafford's ever had where he's got what thirty five touchdowns
1:20:24
Speaker 1: in one game? Five or seven?
1:20:25
Speaker 3: A lot's going to be? How I think A lots? Now,
1:20:28
Speaker 3: remind me when does the voting end?
1:20:30
Speaker 2: It's before the super Bowl but.
1:20:34
Speaker 1: Count right, Yes, yeah that's what I thought, But it does. Yeah,
1:20:38
Speaker 1: the super Bowl super Bowl does not count.
1:20:40
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna all depend on right. I think
1:20:43
Speaker 3: it's it literally could come down to and again, I
1:20:47
Speaker 3: think the Rams are nasty. I'm speaking hypotheticals. I'm a
1:20:51
Speaker 3: huge Stafford guy. You guys know that hypothetically they lost
1:20:54
Speaker 3: in the Divisional round two. Whoever, and Josh Allen gets
1:21:01
Speaker 3: over the hump and he makes the super Bowl.
1:21:04
Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair.
1:21:05
Speaker 2: Yeah that's over.
1:21:06
Speaker 3: So I again, I think the team element come playoffs
1:21:10
Speaker 3: is going to be a huge differentiating factor because outside
1:21:14
Speaker 3: of Josh and I guess Stafford, but as far as
1:21:17
Speaker 3: like the usual suspects that are in that MVP race,
1:21:21
Speaker 3: no La Mar, no Mahomes, like the usual suspects, the
1:21:25
Speaker 3: only one left of those names is Josh Allen, and
1:21:28
Speaker 3: then you got Stafford, and then Drake may is like
1:21:31
Speaker 3: the new kid on the block who's kind of lingering
1:21:33
Speaker 3: and maybe he's an AFC Championship win away from him
1:21:36
Speaker 3: winning it. So I do think the playoff team result
1:21:40
Speaker 3: is going to be a factor. But if you told
1:21:42
Speaker 3: me that Josh Allen's getting ready to play in the
1:21:44
Speaker 3: super Bowl and those other guys who had amazing seasons
1:21:48
Speaker 3: are done and he's getting ready to play the Seahawk.
1:21:51
Speaker 3: If he's getting ready to play the Seahawks, I'm probably
1:21:55
Speaker 3: making the argument that Josh Allen's the MVP as well
1:21:58
Speaker 3: because he got that roster, he got that team to
1:22:00
Speaker 3: the super Bowl. It's probably more impressive than what he
1:22:02
Speaker 3: did last year.
1:22:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I understand what you're saying. It
1:22:05
Speaker 1: would be hard to argue that. I'm just as we
1:22:07
Speaker 1: start to and again, Josh Allen's definitely closing the gap.
1:22:10
Speaker 1: And I know stats are not everything. I do think
1:22:12
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is he is one of the best players,
1:22:15
Speaker 1: if not the best player in the NFL. But I'm
1:22:17
Speaker 1: sitting here and I'm looking at how much kool aid
1:22:20
Speaker 1: we're drinking with this MVP race, with Josh Allen making
1:22:24
Speaker 1: all like closing the gap this much, and I'm sitting here,
1:22:26
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, we just can't Like Stafford has thrown
1:22:29
Speaker 1: for thirty seven out of yards, he's the MVP right now. Yeah,
1:22:32
Speaker 1: thirty seven touchdowns, five interceptions. Josh Allen's got twenty five
1:22:35
Speaker 1: to ten. I know stats are not everything. I'm just man,
1:22:38
Speaker 1: we cannot like I feel like sta is so close
1:22:41
Speaker 1: all these years, and the fact that he's this far above,
1:22:45
Speaker 1: not like that far above, like the gap is not
1:22:47
Speaker 1: insanely wide, but where he's kind of sitting compared to
1:22:50
Speaker 1: everybody else who's in the conversation, I'm like, I would
1:22:53
Speaker 1: hate to just see Stafford get cuked when he's right there,
1:22:57
Speaker 1: he could easily have the MVP trophy.
1:22:59
Speaker 3: Ye win one playoff game, I think you will, and
1:23:04
Speaker 3: I think he wins it. So again, it couldn't. That
1:23:06
Speaker 3: could mean an NFC championship right because he could get
1:23:08
Speaker 3: the bye. Thursday is going to be huge. He could
1:23:10
Speaker 3: get the bye if he wins the divisional round. He's
1:23:14
Speaker 3: in the conference championship. I think win or lose, he's
1:23:17
Speaker 3: the m v P.
1:23:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm.
1:23:20
Speaker 3: Not I'm not saying Stafford right now, if I had
1:23:23
Speaker 3: a vote, he'd be my vote. I'm just saying we
1:23:27
Speaker 3: all know how this works. An early exit by by
1:23:30
Speaker 3: the Rams, even if Stafford plays well, an early exit
1:23:32
Speaker 3: by the Rams, and a super Bowl run by the Bills, Yeah,
1:23:39
Speaker 3: it's going to factor in right or wrong, right or wrong.
1:23:43
Speaker 2: Rams Bills super Bowl would be that'd be sick, sick,
1:23:47
Speaker 2: that would be awesome. All right, Greg, you're the man,
1:23:49
Speaker 2: bro appreciate thank you very much, brother, great show.
1:23:56
Speaker 1: What a show man goes to Mahomes, Dude, Hard goes
1:24:01
Speaker 1: out to Mahomes. It's like I'm sitting there, you know,
1:24:05
Speaker 1: like I see Mahomes posts. I'm like, I just seeing
1:24:08
Speaker 1: cheese fans coming, Like fuck, you wanted this, blah blah.
1:24:10
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, like I'm here for the entertainment side.
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Speaker 1: I enjoy it, like I you know, this back and
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Speaker 1: forth and the anti chiefs, I absolutely enjoyed to pour
1:24:21
Speaker 1: salt on the womb. But something that's real like this,
1:24:23
Speaker 1: like I never want anybody to get.
1:24:26
Speaker 2: And I think that the logical human beings out there
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