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3 Guys Before The Game - WVU Football GM Drew Fabianich (Episode 528) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Hey, everybody, welcome in. Yes, indeed, it is time for
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  another episode, a special episode of three Guys before the game. He's back.
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  He immediately earns kudos because he did promise us that he would come back,
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  right he did when he visited. You did fine, I mean,
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  yeah, he got through us here. Welcome in. The general manager and
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  the director of scouting for w VU football, Drew Fabianich. You know,
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  just by the fact that you're making a second appearance put you in rarefied air.
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  When you say I mean not, I mean here's a few, not
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  many, alright, what about what about Huggins? How many did he do?
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  Never did never did one? Never did one? Not in person?
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  He did a he did a phone in a phone? Yeah, never.
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  I mean when when you come into the house. This is a big deal,
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  Garrett, Garrett Green's one. Well, see you go basketball Emmett Matthews
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  and Jordan McCabe like they're at the Pinnacle more than you and I have.
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  I think so. And Garrett Garrett's got a possibility before he's all done.
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  He could own the show. He could, he probably could. Yeah,
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  he could, he could own the show. Yes, you've had interesting conversations
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  with him. Haven't you because you were a quarterback that was undersized. Yes,
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  he's a quarterback that underside that's undersized. So you've kind of taken him
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  in the side a side in the past and go, okay, do you
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  dude, here's here's the deal, right. Yeah, I think we talked
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  about it in the first Yeah, I said it was really you got to
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  learn how to be a self preservationist. You know, you gotta just know
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  when to get out of bounds or get down because it's like Semi's hitting little
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  b dubs out there. You know it's time to walk away. Yeah,
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  play another play. So if it were a country music song, you would
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  think that the gambler would probably be that you got to know one to hold
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  him and no one to fold him, no one to throw it, and
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  know when to run absolutely right, yeah, absolutely, And he's got to
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  count your blessings when you get to the sideline. Yes, and he's learned.
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  Yes, Yes, what a year he had from when you were sitting
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  in here last time we were we were speculating on what could be what a
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  year he had. Yeah, he had a good year. I mean,
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  you know, and heck, I mean when you're that small you're bound to
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  go down, you know here and there, and you know he came back
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  off the entry real well. I mean most funny is Nico handle those two
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  games really really well? So he developed also Yeah, you know, they
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  did great job, you know, compliment both of those guys. You know.
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  But the thing about what Neil does is he doesn't ask those guys to
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  do what they can't do. You know, he puts together game plans that
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  you know, shows you exactly what they are. The play that no one
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  remembers, I shouldn't say that, very few people will remember this and then
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  he played through it for the rest of the season was the shot he took
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  at UCF And when he went into the medical tent, he pulled the Superman
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  out because like he walked off and he went like, there is no way
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  he's coming back today, let alone next week. Missed a play and came
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  back out and then played hurt the rest of the way pretty much until the
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  Bowl game. Yeah. Yeah, And when you expose yourself like that,
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  when you take chances, that's what can happen. Yeah, you know,
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  and that's what you try to do. You try to just you know,
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  this game isn't made for little people. It's just not you know, Parcels
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  always used to tell it. So you know, hey, small guys were
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  down. Big guys don't get any smaller. That's why we're so big.
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  Solid point. By the way, I should probably introduce him, I said,
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  general manager and director of scouting from outa Here Football. Drew is entering
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  into a second season, his third season overall in the college rank. He
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  right. So there's a gazillion topics that we can get into. Go ahead,
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  push that microphone. I want I want you even, I want I
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  want that, I want that deeper, I want that deeper voice. Fabian
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  I had that kind of anyway. What about Fabian, the great artist Fabian
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  You remember him? No, okay, it was he got big for a
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  while and out of Philly, Frankie Valley Fabian Fabian that was big. That's
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  different Fabia. Oh yeah, you know, fab Fabio. That was a
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  little bit before me though. Still you know, Dad still had Sinatra and
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  Tony Bennett. Go y, yeah, I mean you and Fabia different.
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  Barber, I'd have to say, I'd have to say, yes, you
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  got the money. I like to keep it long. Have a lot more
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  gray too. Yeah, military marine cut for you. So where shall we
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  begin as we try to eat this elephant. Let's let's jump in. So
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  this was your first full cycle through. We went through the early signing period
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  and everything that comes with it nowadays, with the portal and all of the
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  other elements. Just give me a thirty thousand foot view from your perspective.
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  Did you have any massive surprises along this road or was it kind of in
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  the logistical form that you thought this recruiting class as it's still developing, was
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  how it would shape up. You know, I kind of expected it because
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  I went through part of it at Auburn last year. What people don't realize
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  is the portal is a heck of a lot different than recruiting high school kids
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  because the portal moves at light speed, and you can be in at three
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  o'clock in the afternoon and a kid may have forty offers by eight o'clock that
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  night, And you've got to differentiate yourself and why it's valuable for them to
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  consider you and to get them on campus. Because the one thing I can
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  say about down here is if you get them on campus, you have a
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  chance because they feel the family atmosphere, they feel how much this place loves
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  you know, WV Field football. They do. And every kid that's on
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  campus now that is transferred in, you know, starts telling you know,
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  the players that are here. You know, hey, this is better.
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  This is better than this. This what may not be as good, but
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  you know, more positives than negatives, right, you know, of the
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  ones that have come in, So, you know, did we get everybody
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  that I wanted? No, that's just not going to happen. You're not
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  going to bat a thousand, ever. Do we still have some areas that
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  I have some concerns about. Absolutely will fill those needs, you know,
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  in the second portal, which will happen from April fifteenth to May fifteenth,
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  and you know, and hopefully we can continue the retention of the roster that
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  we've already set, which I feel pretty darn good about and Coach Brown did
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  a heck of a job with that. Also. You know, it's fair
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  to say that this cycle through was the best organized that you have been to
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  attack the portal because, as you said, it happens quickly and if my
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  memory serves me correct, within a span of literally days, like if it
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  was Monday, I'm hearing, well, they've got four kids coming in this
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  weekend that are portal kids, and then boom boom, they got signed.
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  So you were ready. Well, you had to be, just because there's
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  a dead period. It's in between once the portal opens, you have about
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  two and a half weeks and then it's a dead period because of Christmas and
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  because of the National Coaches Convention American Football Coaches Association Convention. So you really
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  only had really three weekends to work with and during the week if you wanted
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  to bring them in during the week. But here's the problem. Coaches are
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  out recruiting during the week in December for January. Well, so you got
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  to pull a coach in for a day, shoot them back out, or
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  coach Brown had to come in and go back out, which the logistics of
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  that makes it really hard. It was better to bring them in on a
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  weekend and at least get everybody off the road and get everybody that they're going
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  to be part of. I mean, whoever's going to be part of their
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  development needs to be around. And that's what I found it was most important.
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  You know, you got to have the position coach around. You got
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  to have Mike Joseph around, You got to have the head coach around,
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  you got to have the coordinators around. Right, these kids have to feel
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  like this is the right fit for them, and the ones that decided that
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  came to come here, I would be willing to bet you that every single
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  one, I'm still the death decision they made. I really do believe that.
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  I mean because I've heard them, and you know, I feel good
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  about that part of it. Let's say on personnel for a minute, because
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  it feels as if you did have a really good portal season here addressing some
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  needs. Let's say defense for a second. Got a pass rusher you think
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  found a good one in Tai French, absolutely fortified the linebacker position. Yes,
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  you've got guys coming back from injury that are going to be super valuable,
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  but a position that just number wise wasn't there by the end of the
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  year. I feel like you fortified that defensive backs to go get some guys
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  because you were losing players of TJ crandall comes in. Feels like you've got
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  a bunch of needs addressed already here through the first phase. Yes, yes,
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  you know, just saying athletically. We're better on defense right now than
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  we were last year athletically now, I don't know until we put the pads
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  on in spring ball whether they're going to be better and we're going to be
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  more complete on defense, but I feel good about it. There's still some
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  room in the secondary where I would I would be willing to take some more
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  spots. Always take a young pass rusher who can, or young defensive lineman.
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  You know, but are we empty stalls? No, we're not.
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  I just want to get some more depth, and I want to get some
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  more youth because I don't want to be taking one year guys to fulfill a
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  need every single year or two year guy. Right I'd like to get a
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  you know, a player that's got three years still available. In general terms,
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  what was your overall assessment of the defense and what it needed? You
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  just said, we've become more athletic. Was becoming more athletic? The biggest
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  goal was we need to be faster? Was it bigger? What was the
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  biggest need in your opinion on defense? I always clown around with my staff,
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  you know, because I was I was with Monei Kiffen for a while,
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  and everybody's always asking, you know, money, You know, hey,
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  what do you look for? Money? And I'll try to do the
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  imitation big and fast. I just want big and fast. And if you're
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  going to get big and fast, hopefully you get the athletic tied with it.
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  But that's what I'm looking for. You know, we're longer, I
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  mean, and don't get me wrong, we had very good players that have
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  left here. But you know, we're longer, we're faster, We're not
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  as big yet. But you know, give Mike Joseph some time because he
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  is incredible at you know, developing young men. He really is. So
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  I don't know if I answered that question. No you did, but no
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  you did. At this point, we're recording early February, sixth of February.
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  Coaches can't coach yet because we haven't gone out for spring ball. What
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  can you assess you and strength and conditioning at this point with off season conditioning
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  that leads you to say we're more athletic by just going through the off season
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  program, by watching how they bend, their flexibility, their lateral movements,
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  their burst, their clothes. You know, strength levels, plometrics, explosiveness.
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  You can see all that. You know, I can watch a guy
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  that's you know, they can't bend, that's knock need that you know,
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  is hip stiff, and I already know that he's not going to be a
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  very good blocker right just by the traits. So that's what I mean.
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  Athletically, we're better than what we were. You know, I think we're
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  faster than we were too, So I mean, quite honestly, Ty French
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  is running with corners right now. Excuse me, Yeah, Ty French is
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  running with corners right now. Yeah, how much? Anyway, I think
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  he's up to about two twenty eight now. Last time he told me because
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  he came in really light, because he was going all over the place.
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  And again he was a Gardner Webb. He didn't have a nutrition as he
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  didn't you know, a training table, he didn't have. I mean,
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  they had strength coach and all that. But it's different. Gardner Webb's,
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  you know, not big time college football. And I'm not knocking Gardner web
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  at all because they're a very good program and you know they do a good
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  job. But again, we have more resources, sure, and we should
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  be better. So why do you think ty French came here? What sold
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  him? Probably because I told him he wasn't gonna play Mike linebacker and he
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  was going to rush the passer. And he doesn't want to play Mike linebacker
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  and he wants to rush the passer. So and if he puts together a
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  good senior season, he will get drafted. And you know, because I
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  was evaluating him going like that, I mean, he could go in,
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  he could have, but he decided he needed another year because they were playing
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  him mic They were playing him at sam and he wants to play outside linebacker
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  and he wants to rush the pastor because of size. Is that why they
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  were playing him at those positions. I think it's because he was an impact
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  player. I think they used him kind of in a way that you know,
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  you know, Dan Quinn used Micah, but Dan didn't pull Micah back
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  into the box as much as he used to, you know, and blitz
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  it. But you know, there's there's a lot of tape that typ French
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  showed that he's an impact player. You know, he just was at a
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  small school. So it's all judgment. Mm hmm. Yeah. That that
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  seems as though that's the pickup of the of the off season to this point.
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  You know, I think both corners are. I mean, Karako will
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  be a good solid player. I mean, I mean Bray is a he's
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  a madman worker now wide receiver. Yes, Klahoma takes jam and we've seen
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  him run into the end zone against US. Yeah, and he's uh.
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  He's brought a real serious, business like mentality to the group. And you
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  know, with those young guys, I think they've taken to you know that,
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  and all of them now work really really hard, and I like that
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  because they're seeing a guy that's been through it, been there and going,
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  hey, guess what I want to be with you all. Well, you
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  know, when you see guy work like that, it's it becomes second nature
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  to you. Stay stay offense for a second, because again we saw the
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  success on the field of the offense, especially as Garrett got healthy and the
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  season rolled on. You didn't make a lot of additions through the portal there
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  in fact, good offensive lineman obviously losing a great one in Zach Fraser dud
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  Mester is going to be a big loss too, but you feel good about
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  the young guys that are coming in. You did add Xavier Bosley coming in
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  West Virginia, kid that is back from Jacksonville State but you didn't have to
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  make a lot of wholesale changes or additions offensively. No. No, and
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  and because again we had we had pretty good depth. And really what helped
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  us last year was that freshman class. I mean, they showed up and
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  they actually played. You know, do I feel good about the same thing
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  happened in this year. Yes. And there'll be some of the you know,
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  some of the sophomore class that is actually going to grow up and you
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  know, become players too. Uh. The offensive line is still the strength
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  of the team. You know, they've got a lot of returning players there.
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  You know, the receivers will be older, they will be longer,
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  they'll be big, a fast, right, and we'll try to add another
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  receiver probably, you know, decide whether we're gonna take another tight end.
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  You know, we could take another offensive lineman, you know, possibly,
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  but I wouldn't bet on that because Matt Moore's done an incredible job developing those
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  guys, and I think they're in the spots that they need to be in.
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  And there may be some young guys as surprise there again. Took a
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  couple of names, go ahead, a couple of names we should watch offensive
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  line wise, you know, Anny Williams, uh Nick Cray. You know,
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  I thought a lot of them when they came in last year. I've
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  heard I've heard buzz on both of those guys since they got here. Yeah,
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  and you know what's funny is that was a really good class last year
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  when you look at the totality of it, you know, because I mean
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  there's probably still six seven guys they could play in the NFL in the offensive
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  line. Yeah, eventually, you know, say that again, there could
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  be six or seven that could play in the NFL. Yeah, I mean
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  again, they have to develop. Sure, Sure, they have to play.
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  Sure, you know you would, like I said, there's there's a
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  possibility of that. So you feel comfortable saying position of strength. Obviously last
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  year that's what drove that offense there. Again this year, yes, you
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  feel totally good with that line. Yeah, yes, and they've got some
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  they've got good depth to I mean not they're not totally filled across the board,
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  but they've got good depth. Yeah. You know, And that's a
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  great story because it took this will be year six, and it took five
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  to finally get the things solidified because it was at ground zero when those guys
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  got here. Yeah, and I'll tell you that. Yeah, And I
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  didn't know that until he told me. And the funny thing is, I
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  mean when you get when you get the NFL, you know, come in.
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  I mean they're coming by and they're standing with me, and they go,
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  they go, Man, a group looks good, you know, and
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  it does. Yeah. I mean he's recruited the right kind of people too,
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  and the right kind of workers. And hopefully that's what I brought in
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  from the portal and helping with this, you know, this next coming class,
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  that we're bringing the right kind of people because the right kind of people
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  are the same kind of people that live here. Does that make sense?
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  You know? Not white collar at all. And that's what this place,
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  I think has always been founded on was toughness. Yeah, the foundation of
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  it is a blue collar yeah, gotta be Yeah, I didn't it feel
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  like that matched the team. Last year for the first time in a while,
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  Zach Fraser was a poster child, and that's there was a poster what's
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  your identity? Well, here's your identity. The offense lones that to come
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  out heat right in the face. It's right in the face. Yeah,
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  I'm gonna gonna take you down the field, give you a ride, and
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  then smash you. Yeah, we're gonna run the ball and then we're gonna
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  take shots. You know, I'm gonna ask you about two guys that god
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  here last season. They're part of the recruiting class from a year ago,
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  but they weren't one hundred football guys. Rodney Gallagher was a basketball football guy
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  and Trailon Ray was a baseball football guy. Now they're cycling through full football.
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  What is a realistic expectation for year two for those two? Oh?
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  I think Trailing Ray has got great upside. He's gotten He'll even admit it
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  to people around. He came in. He says I was weak. He
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  says, I wasn't ready for this. He said, Guys are pushing me
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  around, he said. He said, Mike, Joe's getting me right.
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  And he said, and now I feel more physical. I feel stronger out
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  there, you know, because the biggest thing about long framed receivers is that
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  you can get rerouted if you're not strong and you're lower in your core.
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  Well, he's getting stronger there now. He's not going to get rerouted as
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  much as he you know, was in the past. And he's getting twitcher.
• 21:55
  He's getting more explosive. Rodney's got to work on his route running because
• 22:00
  he didn't do a lot of it. I mean, I found out,
• 22:03
  you know, he didn't really play there. He's a quarterback right right for
• 22:07
  him just to take a step and go, okay, I'm now I'm throwing
• 22:11
  the ball. I'm running the ball all of a sudden. Now I have
• 22:12
  to you know, set up routes, understand leverage, you know corners and
• 22:17
  you know inside slots. I mean, he's he's got a ways to go
• 22:21
  learning wise, but athletically he's getting better also. And like I said,
• 22:26
  the addition of Jaden and his work ethic, I think is not just rubbing
• 22:32
  off, but I think it's kind of taken the whole group to a different
• 22:36
  level because now they know that everybody has to compete, which I really really
• 22:40
  like. And you know, and Mike said that everybody that we brought in
• 22:45
  has been workers, and that's that's a good thing. The surprise of that
• 22:49
  room last season was Hudson Clement deceptively efficient in the sense that here's a wall
• 23:00
  walk on. People said, nah, walk on from Martinsburg. Nice kids
• 23:03
  on the roster. Yeah, maybe he got there special teams all of a
• 23:04
  sudden and then he makes place. So now put your old hat on,
• 23:11
  your NFL scout hat on. What does he have that gives him the opportunity
• 23:15
  not that he's arrived, but what does he have that gives them the opportunity
• 23:18
  to be like a really good player. The biggest thing you have to have
• 23:22
  as a receiver. You have to either have the size to use your size
• 23:26
  to your advantage, or you have to have separation quicks. And he's got
• 23:30
  separation quicks. I noticed that like day three, and I said that one
• 23:36
  has it. I remember you did it. Yeah, I remember we were
• 23:37
  on the side of Well. I think that right there is the surprise.
• 23:41
  I know we've been talking about that now all season because you've seen it on
• 23:42
  the field. That to me is the surprise for a kid that came in
• 23:45
  as a walk on and we weren't talking a lot about once he left wheeling
• 23:49
  with that unbelievable performance. That right there, I think is the difference maker
• 23:52
  for a walk on kid. Yeah it is. And you know, and
• 23:56
  he worked at it, and you know he got rewarded for too, and
• 24:02
  he's taken to it, and you know, I think he's got. I
• 24:04
  think he had the best yard after catch of anybody on the team. I
• 24:07
  remember, right, I won't be surprised by that. Yeah, I can't
• 24:11
  remember for sure, but I'm thinking I'm right. He likes to play football,
• 24:14
  Yeah he does. You can tell he enjoys playing football. He does,
• 24:17
  because that lights sound like a stupid thing, but you know what I
• 24:18
  mean. Yeah, and little brother's coming to now. Yeah, Murphy's in
• 24:21
  here. Yeah. So, by the way, he had a heck of
• 24:23
  a state championship game too. Didn't quite get to Huddy's level, but he
• 24:26
  had a heck how many did hut he have six? He had six?
• 24:30
  No, eight, he had eight? Eight? So I thought eight.
• 24:32
  Yeah, wow, because Murphy had five. I think that's last year.
• 24:37
  Give me your NFL Scout hat. If you were had your Cowboys logo on
• 24:41
  and you came in, you put the tape on and you're watching Jahem White,
• 24:45
  what's he have? It makes them different? Very very good vision,
• 24:49
  very good contact balance, and he doesn't just run through arm tackles. He
• 24:55
  runs through side tackles, which not a lot of people can. I mean,
• 24:59
  if you're watching, you know, put it this way. Everybody should
• 25:02
  break an arm tackle if you're if you're a running back, everybody, but
• 25:06
  he goes through side tackles, and he's got a really really good vision,
• 25:08
  and he's got great acceleration. He's up to speed real fast. You know,
• 25:15
  you know, the only limitation he's got is because of his length and
• 25:18
  pass protection. I mean, and you know, being a receiver, I
• 25:21
  mean, it's hard to throw too small radius players. It is. I
• 25:26
  mean, I used to go, gosh, the guy's going running a he's
• 25:29
  running a seven cut on me and he's you know, five foot six.
• 25:32
  It's hard for me to drop it in on on that guy. I'd rather
• 25:34
  throw it to a longer receiver just so I had a chance. Sure,
• 25:38
  it's just harder, but we'll just get him as wide open as he was
• 25:41
  at the Baylor game. Then doesn't matter. Can he just lay it out
• 25:44
  there for the touchdown to win it. He was isolated on a mighty linebacker
• 25:47
  that but couldn't run. It was It was very nice. He Neil did
• 25:52
  a great job scheming that one up. Now he couldn't run, and they
• 25:56
  had a miscommunication as to who was guarding whom yea and that kind kind of
• 26:00
  helped out as well. That's a good memory. That's a really good memory.
• 26:03
  What's for me too? Because I actually ga'd there for coachtaff Oh is
• 26:07
  that right? Yeah? How about that? Yeah? So coach Staff was
• 26:11
  actually there at the game. I didn't get to see him in the box.
• 26:14
  Yeah. Yeah. He's a great I mean he is an iconic figure
• 26:15
  in Baylor football. C J. Donaldson comes back from the injury last season.
• 26:22
  He has shoulder surgery now, so he's on the mend. So now
• 26:27
  he's got the full feel of it. This will be season three for him.
• 26:32
  What do you think he's learned? What does he have to take into
• 26:36
  this coming season? What can he be? He can be whatever he wants
• 26:38
  to be. I mean, as big as he is, as fast as
• 26:41
  he is, it's all up to him. I mean. The one thing
• 26:45
  about you know him, I think he was really tentative because of the shoulder,
• 26:49
  and he was always worried about it popping out or feeling the wrong way.
• 26:52
  And I had to labor him to and it's hard. It is you
• 26:56
  kind of feel like, what what am I going to do? Is it
• 26:59
  going to snap out? This one is gonna you almost have to get it
• 27:03
  fixed. It was in his head the whole year. Yeah, and so
• 27:07
  again for him to become what he's supposed to be. I mean, he's
• 27:11
  got to make that decision, you know, because he's got all the traits
• 27:15
  to be a big, physical runner all the time to where linebackers dbs do
• 27:22
  not want any part of him. And when they don't want any part of
• 27:26
  you, it's it's something to see. I mean I was around Marion Barber.
• 27:30
  I showed him a couple of clips of Marion Barber and that's what big
• 27:33
  men run like, you know, And that's that was my reference point.
• 27:38
  You know, you show me I got two forty five, that's you know,
• 27:41
  physical like that. All of a sudden, guys are turning it down.
• 27:45
  They don't want any part of it, even at that level. Even
• 27:48
  at that level, yes, yeah, even though you make player, you
• 27:52
  get cut. Yeah, he said, yeah, I'll go way way back.
• 27:56
  Ask Isaiah Robertson about the Earl Campbell. I can imagine, Yeah,
• 28:00
  you imagine Earl Cambell coming at you. Yeah, sweet mercy, nobody's who
• 28:07
  age our demos right in there? Yeah we're yeah, we're fifty five plus,
• 28:12
  don't You're fine? What was your assessment of the big twelve conference going
• 28:18
  through it this season, did it at any point did a certain style of
• 28:23
  play or body type or any of the elements of these teams on a regular
• 28:30
  basis give you any insight that maybe you didn't have when you went into it.
• 28:36
  I thought that there would be How would I say this? I thought
• 28:40
  everybody would have more real dudes. Okay, and when you break down every
• 28:45
  single opponent, you find out there's every team's only got about five to six
• 28:51
  dudes. Yes, So now you're saying dudes, some are so real players.
• 28:56
  Some refer to that as is a dude and a dog the same thing.
• 29:00
  Now, you're right, because a dog is someone that plays hard but
• 29:03
  might not have the ability to go to the next But a dude is a
• 29:04
  dude. Dude's a dude, I hear you. So it's pretty you know,
• 29:08
  there's there's some and I'm sure you know, because we didn't play Texas,
• 29:12
  they probably had more dudes. They probably had Again, the one that
• 29:17
  sticks out is noseguard. No Penn State. Oh, I thought Texas when
• 29:22
  I was breaking them down, there was I mean, put this way,
• 29:23
  there's even with their young cats, they probably had nine guys on defense.
• 29:27
  I could play in the NFL. You know, and I'm not even counting
• 29:30
  the offense because the offense had probably another six or seven, right, you
• 29:33
  know, well you do it in the Big twelve, it's like there's like
• 29:38
  four and three, three and three. You know, you go like,
• 29:41
  well, it's pretty equal. Now, Texas might have been a different story.
• 29:47
  Oklahoma had a little bit more. But when you start breaking everybody down,
• 29:52
  it's about equal. Then it comes to coaching, then it comes to
• 29:53
  atmosphere, then it comes to the crowds. That's how keeps trying to say.
• 29:57
  I mean situation, yes, and you know, a get in this
• 30:02
  place when it's rocking. Did you enjoy it? Oh, it can be
• 30:06
  you've been you've been around long time. Did you enjoy it? I did
• 30:08
  that pit game? That good? Right? Yeah? Now, just I
• 30:12
  wish that would have stayed like that. I mean, and I know that's
• 30:15
  not realistic all the time. But the one that impressed me was the Bowl
• 30:21
  game. I mean, because I was expecting, you know, a little
• 30:26
  bit more powder and white, and I looked across the field. Wow,
• 30:29
  it was like they'll probably have ten thounds of people here. Wow. And
• 30:32
  I had the whole we had the whole side locked up. You know,
• 30:33
  it was nice. Really was three tanks of gas. If you can get
• 30:38
  there in three tanks of gas and back home in two cases of beer,
• 30:41
  they'll be there there, they'll attend. Yeah, just like that trailer I
• 30:45
  saw. Gosh, I wish I could remember that trailer. Some say,
• 30:49
  oh, it's you might be called an alcoholic if you're drinking before noon,
• 30:53
  and they said, no, you're just a mountaineer. Well, I don't
• 30:56
  know, I don't know. I mean, I thought that was pretty good.
• 31:00
  Yeah, try to stay away from that a little bit. You know,
• 31:03
  you do? You do? You serve another function besides the recruitment and
• 31:08
  the evaluation, and you've made reference to it here. You break down the
• 31:15
  opposing team and give your two cents on their players, You evaluate their players,
• 31:22
  and then you prepare a report. Can you kind of walk through what
• 31:26
  a week is like that for you and the presentation and then what your thoughts
• 31:30
  are, because I'll talk. I'll go to you, like on Thursday or
• 31:32
  Friday. I'll say what do they got. You'll say, like, I
• 31:34
  got a corner. Corner's terrible, you know, corner short, can't get
• 31:37
  around, can't turn a step. So you break it all down, so
• 31:42
  you're not supposed to tell everybody well, I mean, well, obviously when
• 31:45
  you evaluate, you're saying that guy is really good, or stay away from
• 31:48
  that guy or that guy we got a chance here to well I call it
• 31:51
  finding the fish. That's finding the fish. Sure, okay, so go
• 31:53
  ahead, what are you doing? Break down too deep on both sides of
• 31:57
  the ball, identify the fish, and put matchup pages together. For offensive
• 32:05
  defense, I've got a lot of help with my guys on you know,
• 32:08
  my side, with Davis and Tolbert. One helps with offense, one helps
• 32:14
  with defense, and we prepare an advanced report that we present a kneel and
• 32:19
  I present a neil and they present to the offense and defense on Sundays.
• 32:22
  So it's a pre scouting report that's even before the gas and the analysts get
• 32:29
  to that. What I hope it helps with is some of the coaches have
• 32:35
  used it because they want to know it's a positive, the negatives and how
• 32:40
  to attack each player. And it's not long because I don't want it to
• 32:45
  be long. No, I just want it to be you know, here's
• 32:46
  how you attack it. You know, if they're susceptible, you know,
• 32:50
  to an inside spin, you know, deep in the rush. I mean,
• 32:53
  that's going to be in there, you know what they're good at.
• 32:57
  Also helps them to you know, what the negatives are. Helps that and
• 33:00
  again there's sometimes when you go into too deep you go, gosh, if
• 33:05
  this guy actually plays, this is the guy we need to attack, you
• 33:07
  know, And I hope that's where it helps, you know. So that's
• 33:12
  kind of the condensed version of it. But it takes it takes about two
• 33:16
  and a half days for me to go through forty four players, and it's
• 33:22
  and that's after I evaluate our game on Sunday morning, because I do that
• 33:28
  on Sunday morning for coach Brown, and we go over that. What does
• 33:31
  that intel? I go, I evaluate every single player every single week,
• 33:36
  you know, and we go over what I've seen, and even even a
• 33:39
  little bit schematically we talk about but it's really about who played well, who
• 33:45
  didn't play well, you know. And what it helps me with is I
• 33:49
  keep all those notes and then at the end of the season, I put
• 33:52
  those into summaries for the players so we can identify the positive and negatives of
• 33:57
  each player and then present those everybody that has, you know, some part
• 34:00
  in their development. How far ahead are you on that scout? Are you
• 34:05
  the not that not the next opponent? Are you the next one? Or
• 34:07
  do you work further ahead than that? Or that's hard because of injuries?
• 34:09
  And you mean on the advanced part, on the advance parts, not that
• 34:13
  it's not the next opponent? Is it the one after the next? Always
• 34:16
  I'm always, I'm always two games ahead, yeah, if that makes sense,
• 34:21
  because I've got to be done on that Sunday of that pre week,
• 34:25
  that week of the game. So I'm always one week ahead, two opponents
• 34:30
  ahead. Right, Okay, Beanie Bishop comes in and leaves as a consensus
• 34:38
  all American. That is the biggest wow of all wows. We think about
• 34:45
  that, don't disagree, think about that. Here comes this dude. You
• 34:50
  guys pick him up from Minnesota, right, that had solid numbers but like
• 34:54
  nowhere and no one had on their Bengo card when he came into Morgan.
• 35:00
  Yeah, he'll leave as a Walter Camp can sense Saul American, Da da
• 35:02
  da? What what how'd that happen? I'll tell you why. First one,
• 35:07
  Mike Joseph, I mean, kid got bigger, faster, stronger,
• 35:10
  And the other part of that is Shadan Brown, I mean, Shadan's a
• 35:15
  hell of a teacher. Excuse my language, fun, but you know he
• 35:19
  is. He's a one heck of a teacher. Because what again, he's
• 35:22
  just like Neil. He does not ask players to do something that they're not
• 35:25
  capable of until he prepares them for that. Like, why would you go
• 35:31
  up and press Beanie Bishop. He's short armed, he's not real long,
• 35:37
  he's not real tall, right, so why would you do that? Well,
• 35:39
  he rarely ever did it. Not fair to him? Not fair to
• 35:43
  him? Right, Well, take his strengths, build on his strengths,
• 35:46
  play in his eyes, play on his instincts. And again I give credit,
• 35:52
  Like I said, first of all, the position coach, I mean,
• 35:53
  Shodn Brown did a hell of a job. Beanie took the coaching.
• 35:58
  Beanie took to the weights, right, took to Mike Joseph. You know,
• 36:01
  and when people see that, that's all we sell too to the transfer
• 36:06
  portal guy say hey, you're a one year guy. Well look what happened
• 36:07
  with this one year guy. You know, this guy was a he didn't
• 36:12
  play a ton up in Minnesota. He was a nickel, he was an
• 36:15
  inside guy. Well he puts him outside develops him, right, turns him
• 36:19
  into Constance is all American. He goes to the East West Riane game right
• 36:22
  could get drafted, he could, you know. And like I said,
• 36:27
  that's that's not kudos to anybody other than who brought him in, who developed
• 36:32
  him. And those two guys are the ones that developed them, and then
• 36:35
  they put him in a great situation to scceede. I mean, and that's
• 36:38
  that's called coaching. Yeah. To me, the biggest thing you gotta do
• 36:42
  is you got to keep feeding off of that. Now you got to sell.
• 36:45
  You need to sell Beanie Bishop for the next five years. Yeah.
• 36:49
  Yeah, And hopefully the ones we brought in a corner, hopefully they developed
• 36:52
  the same way and then we can keep selling it the same way, because
• 36:55
  it is important. I mean, all these kids believing playing the NFL now
• 37:00
  one point five percent can and do. But they have to have that belief.
• 37:06
  But they also have to feel like they're getting developed. And that's that's
• 37:08
  what I think this place has built their I mean, this is what it
• 37:13
  was built on in the past. Well some questions. I think I think
• 37:15
  we're there right now and now, and and I try to tell everybody I'm
• 37:22
  talking to which I talked to all these kids when I'm recruiting them, I
• 37:24
  said, it's the head coach, your position coach, strength coaching. Me.
• 37:30
  It is because all of them can help you in some way. Now
• 37:34
  everybody else will help you too. But if it's about the NFL, if
• 37:37
  it's about development, if it's about your traits, if it's about improving those
• 37:40
  traits, that's me. If it's coaching, it's position coach. If it's
• 37:45
  the program's direction, it's a head coach. If it's development of your body
• 37:49
  and your speed, your strength, you know, big and fast, it's
• 37:52
  Mike Joe. So I mean, that's that's where I bring the points to.
• 37:59
  And I think that big and Shaddan sells that Beanie Bishop he should I
• 38:02
  do too. Why not since it's all American? One year you want to
• 38:07
  put a tape of a label story, I mean, that's about as good
• 38:08
  a story as you can get of it. It is well that in Zach
• 38:12
  Frasier. Yeah, and he's going to become the poster child on that offensive
• 38:16
  line and mile him after him. That's how you build issue. I stack
• 38:20
  it now, that's right, and that's what that's what Matt's Moore's doing.
• 38:23
  And like I said, when you look across there, all of them look,
• 38:27
  all of them look good. It isn't like there's a bad looking body
• 38:30
  out there. He didn't fit. No, it's the same kind of guys.
• 38:34
  Last time you were here, you said that Zach Frasier was not being
• 38:39
  given credit for his actual arm length. You know, if someone said,
• 38:44
  well he's too short, we so a way a second, his arms are
• 38:45
  playing long enough. How do you think he'll fare here coming up, coming
• 38:51
  back from this injury with the draft? What do you think happens? I
• 38:53
  think that he goes. I think the biggest thing for him wasn't really truly
• 39:00
  just the Senior Bowl the playing because he didn't play, but he went through
• 39:05
  some of the drills right and which, by the way, is remarkable that
• 39:08
  he was back and ready to do drills. But the biggest thing people got
• 39:12
  to talk to him. People got to get to know him. Right now.
• 39:16
  Is he the most boisterous, Is he the most talkative? You know?
• 39:20
  Is he that grinder type person that? No, but he is everything
• 39:23
  that you look for, you know, character wise in a player. Oh
• 39:27
  yeah, because I mean again I don't look it, but I'm downstairs a
• 39:32
  lot, you know, in the weight room late need to late in the
• 39:35
  day, and there's Zach Fraser doing something extra, whether it's stretching, whether
• 39:38
  it's maintenance, whether it's recovery. I mean, when you can take a
• 39:43
  guy that you already know acts like a professional, isn't that nice? Yeah?
• 39:47
  Absolutely, So what's going to happen to him is, like I said,
• 39:51
  I thought that just if you look at his play, you know he's
• 39:54
  probably late second, early third right now, everybody's gonna start talking to him.
• 40:00
  Everybody's gonna start to get to know him. We go to figure out
• 40:02
  he knows what the hell he's doing, He understands the game, He's got
• 40:06
  that kind of character, and where they keep getting to know him. He's
• 40:08
  not gonna make it past middle of the second round. He won't. And
• 40:13
  I truly believe that I may be totally wrong, but I don't think I
• 40:15
  am. That seems that way. I mean, he seems to be picking
• 40:17
  up steam right the top one or two centers that are out there, and
• 40:21
  you keep hearing that more and more. And because what's funny is that the
• 40:24
  guys that come up to me, they go, you know, is it
• 40:28
  really all true, and I go, yeah, it is because it's that
• 40:31
  everybody in the building loves this kid. Well they should. Yeah, very
• 40:36
  lovable, Yeah, very lovable. And put this way, if you're gonna
• 40:39
  put your name on somebody, don't you put your name on somebody like that?
• 40:42
  Sure, you know, because they're going to come back to me,
• 40:44
  go yeah, you're right, yeah, absolutely, Well I'm gonna say yeah.
• 40:46
  So let me ask you this this personal question. So, so what
• 40:50
  are you doing down in the weight room maintenance? What are you doing.
• 40:52
  I'm doing a lot of recovery on my lower back because what's going on there.
• 40:55
  Uh, fourth and fifth lumbar got cracked when I was playing, So
• 41:00
  I'm kind of miserable most of the time, you know. Uh, got
• 41:04
  stretching going on right now, light bed, I do cryo. I do
• 41:07
  cardio almost every day because I do love to eat and I do drink my
• 41:10
  wine. So so what are you going elliptical or you going treadmill? I
• 41:15
  do the elliptical because the treadmill is too hard on the lower back. So
• 41:19
  you go into that salt thing, the depth perception. I've been into one.
• 41:22
  I've been into it, uh twice. Now yeah, flow tank,
• 41:24
  Yeah, pretty good. Yeah, it works pretty well doing the light bed
• 41:28
  too. Light bed every almost every day. Mike Joe sold me on that.
• 41:30
  I thought, oh, yeah, I thought you didn't think you thought
• 41:31
  it was some kind of I thought it was pure rockery. I really did.
• 41:36
  But it works. He was like, just he's just giving me four
• 41:38
  days. He says, no, give me six. And I go and
• 41:42
  you know how I talk, give me six. I was like, all
• 41:44
  right, and sure enough, I think I've missed probably four days total since
• 41:47
  then. So you go lay on that thing. What's it do to your
• 41:50
  back? It just helps with the It helps with the pain, It helps
• 41:53
  with the tightness, really does. And I and again maybe it's if I
• 41:58
  take off a little bit more, you know in my well, you look
• 42:00
  good. No, there's a fat little Italian. It's trying to escape every
• 42:05
  day every day. Yeah, so springball is a little bit more than a
• 42:14
  month away. Yeah. About the Yeah, the eighteenth, I think is
• 42:15
  that what it is? March eighteenth? What when you walk out on that
• 42:20
  field for the first time. What are the things that are going to be
• 42:25
  exciting to you that you want to see? Oh? I want to see
• 42:30
  one on ones with those corners right off the bat, and I want to
• 42:32
  see one on one pass rush I do. Those are the first two that
• 42:37
  I'm really gonna be excited about because i know the tempo's already there, I
• 42:40
  know the efforts already there by all the the guys are coming in. I
• 42:44
  mean, any other one's going to surprise you? Is t J. Jackson
• 42:46
  too? You're gonna surprise you too. Now you want to talk about Twitchy,
• 42:51
  I mean he's a little bit shorter, but he's more of that twitchy
• 42:53
  three technique. He got a little touch. Now again, I'm not comparing
• 42:57
  him, just saying that body type wise, that's kind of what Aaron Donald
• 43:00
  looked like, you know. I mean that's kind of shorter, thicker,
• 43:06
  twitch ear. So I'm looking forward to him pass rush. I'm looking forward
• 43:09
  him playing to run. He's gonna push some of those other guys in the
• 43:13
  defensive line. Again, I just want to see what they're gonna look like.
• 43:16
  Jeremiah Trotter, I would imagine, yeah, because I hadn't everybody told
• 43:21
  me. He's like, you know, hey, he's like he's ready to
• 43:22
  go. I'm like, I haven't seen anything yet, yeah, you know,
• 43:25
  but he's worked at it. He has really worked at it and Trey.
• 43:30
  I don't know if Trey Leathan will be back yet or not. He
• 43:31
  might by that time, but he was. He got a chance, doesn't
• 43:37
  he. He was showing a lot early when he was in there. Yeah.
• 43:38
  I think it would have been a freshman All American. Yeah, he
• 43:40
  could have been. It could have been except for that one kid at I
• 43:45
  think Texas tech le letter team and tackles. I think as a freshman,
• 43:49
  you know. But no, like I said, I'm I'm looking forward to
• 43:52
  it. I really am. Because I can look at all the trades,
• 43:54
  I can look at everything, the measurables and all that. But until I
• 43:59
  see him with the adds on and actually getting a little bit of violence to
• 44:01
  it, we'll see. Okay, how about so how about a returning defensive
• 44:07
  guy that we're not talking about a lot right now, but you think has
• 44:13
  a chance to make some plays returning on returning guys so not yet, not
• 44:17
  none of the portal guys, but a defensive guy that was was out there,
• 44:21
  maybe played, maybe didn't play, maybe played a little, gonna play
• 44:23
  more. Who will surprise us defensively? You know there's always mumblings, you
• 44:30
  know, there is you know what comes up the stairs. I know we've
• 44:34
  named a lot of them. Yeah, but you know, I mean,
• 44:37
  I don't know if it's a surprised I think I have more expectations on a
• 44:43
  few who Okay, I expect Sean Martin to play better. I really do.
• 44:47
  Yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, because you know,
• 44:51
  he's gotten in better condition. He's going to be able to practice one more
• 44:53
  day, you know, a week now. You know, i'd like to
• 44:58
  see I'd like to see Aubrey Burk's better. You know, he's going to
• 45:02
  possibly be a little bit more versatile, a little bit more of a chess
• 45:07
  piece, going to be moving around a little bit more. You know,
• 45:09
  Anthony Wilson picked his pace up at the end of the year. He did
• 45:14
  really good with his inserts and you know, versus the run and again shout
• 45:19
  On did a great job of utilizing those guys in the right areas. Like
• 45:23
  I said, it's more, it's more expectations, you know, surprise,
• 45:30
  you know, you know, if a Tourma played pretty well in the Bowl
• 45:35
  game and he can be a force against centers, you know, and it's
• 45:42
  not gonna be flashy, but it's gonna be kind of you know, as
• 45:46
  as we always talk about defensively, he's gonna take too, you know,
• 45:51
  which will help those linebackers because he's gonna take to Neil talked a lot during
• 45:57
  the season about Garrett and the short to intermediate throw and his footwork. That's
• 46:04
  something that I'm really excited or looking forward to seeing is if he stabilized that
• 46:10
  because if he's able to get a high percentage completion on those little short and
• 46:15
  intermediate routes, obviously that long ball's there for him, then he got the
• 46:19
  whole package. You know. I know that he's completed a lot of shots,
• 46:25
  but there's he just needs to develop his touch more. And I think
• 46:30
  that's across the board. Well, I guess you're right, because yeah,
• 46:32
  he'll bring the fastball coming in on that bubble. Sometimes there's no change up,
• 46:37
  you know, and you know he needs to find a change. He
• 46:42
  knows that. But it's also the stride length. His stride length varies,
• 46:45
  and when his stride length varies, the ball sales on him. You know,
• 46:49
  he's got to get more balanced, you know. I think you know,
• 46:52
  most of them, they work at it, you know, but that's
• 46:54
  the biggest thing with him, is just the stride length and improven the touch.
• 46:59
  Yeah, you know, because again and those can get there, you
• 47:02
  can fix your touch. Yeah, I'm trying to remember when I used to
• 47:07
  say that it didn't have a lot of touch too? Was Teddy Bridgewater didn't
• 47:10
  have a lot of touch? Really? Yeah? Yeah when he first started,
• 47:14
  when he started first playing at Louisville, he didn't have a lot of
• 47:16
  great touch. He couldn't drop balls in there, like from the from the
• 47:20
  fifteen to twenty twenty five yard range, he had a tough time. They
• 47:23
  came in like rockets. No, it's just they came in flat, if
• 47:28
  that makes any kind of sense. You know, there wasn't a lot of
• 47:30
  you know, again, you gotta put a little bit of air on the
• 47:32
  ball. You gotta have a different arm angle, you know, you gotta
• 47:35
  be able to drop it in there. And you know, some guys just
• 47:37
  because the release point pushes the ball out with a tip up, because when
• 47:42
  you release, the show will always be almost tipped down unless you're going you
• 47:45
  know deep, you know, just because the ball won't sail on you.
• 47:47
  Then so are you boys with dan Quinn, Yes very much. So what
• 47:52
  do you think he'll do with the with Washington. I think that it will
• 47:57
  take a little bit of while I mean a little while to get the roster
• 47:59
  the right way. Adam Peters has done a really good job out there with
• 48:04
  John Lynch at forty nine ers. He'll be very aggressive, I believe that,
• 48:08
  and Dan will be all in on that. The one thing I could
• 48:12
  say about Dan Quinn is that I was around a lot of defensive coordinators just
• 48:16
  said, oh, just give me good football players and we'll find a place
• 48:20
  for him. Well what happened is they never could find a place for some
• 48:24
  guys. Well, Dan always had a plan for each guy. It was
• 48:30
  like, He's gonna get this many snaps here, this many snaps here,
• 48:32
  and this is how I'm gonna use him, And sure enough that's how he
• 48:36
  used him to which I really respected because put it this way, Jevon Curse
• 48:43
  never started a game until they came to the Cowboys, and he started as
• 48:46
  a big nickel. Right. They found a spot for him, They found
• 48:50
  a role for him, you know, That's that was what was good.
• 48:52
  I think that they'll be thrilled with that personnel. People will be I think
• 49:00
  Dan will be real happy with Adam Peters putting together You know, a good
• 49:02
  roster for him. They'll work collaborative to I mean, they'll work as a
• 49:07
  collaborative together. I know they will. And I'm gonna tell you one damn
• 49:10
  thing about Dan. I hate to use the term players coach because I think
• 49:15
  it's overused, but his dudes play hard for him wherever he has been,
• 49:22
  everywhere he has ever been. And bringing Joe with with him is a great
• 49:28
  move. Joe witz a phenomenal teacher, very very sharp, very smart.
• 49:34
  And the thing about Joe is he wants hunters, you know. He wants
• 49:37
  guys that want to hunt, you know, and that's They're hard to find,
• 49:43
  they really are, but that's what Joe's looking for, especially in the
• 49:45
  back end. But you know, linebacker allstely So can't say enough good things
• 49:51
  about Dan really can't love my time with him, really did. And I
• 49:55
  think he'll be really successful and I think they'll I think the ownership will kind
• 49:59
  of give them enough room to do what they need to do. So you
• 50:04
  know, yeah, I would hope. So yeah, because the no,
• 50:07
  I'm not even gonna go there. I was gonna say something about the last
• 50:10
  owner, and I'll just leave it alone, let it go and we'll just
• 50:14
  we'll just let it go. I'll just let it go. So the portal
• 50:17
  is going to open up again after spring, yes, well really pretty much
• 50:24
  part of spring, part of spring ball. Yeah, how are you prepared
• 50:29
  for that? I can already tell you, man, And are you doing
• 50:32
  it? And you're preparing now? Correct? Yes? Yeah, yes,
• 50:36
  so you're have you identified flight risks somewhat? You know, but I think
• 50:42
  I think we're in good shape there though, I really do. You know,
• 50:46
  it's more about just identifying the needs and you know, preparing for that.
• 50:52
  And there's some may grads that are in the portal right now that aren't
• 50:55
  here because they're make grads. So there's no the part of this too,
• 51:00
  and you know, not really supposed to. We're not allowed to evaluate you
• 51:05
  know other people are as. No, no, no, no, not
• 51:08
  that and we've never done that, never do that. Why would you do
• 51:13
  that? No? No, So to say we're head, we're head.
• 51:16
  We are got a plan, got a plan, got to always have a
• 51:22
  plan, just like in high school, you know, with these kids recruiting,
• 51:23
  I mean bringing those junior days in, I mean that last junior day,
• 51:28
  I think we had close to close to sixty six kids, you know
• 51:31
  came in. I mean it was big. Yeah, do a good job
• 51:35
  with that. I got issues with you, though, I'm sure you do.
• 51:39
  I mean you're working like you've been here several months now. It's it's
• 51:45
  it's stunning how many places you haven't been yet. I mean you got you
• 51:50
  like you go stadium home, stadium, home, like. I mean you
• 51:57
  got to get out. You got to see the state. Can you get
• 51:59
  it? Can when spring's over? Can you get out a little bit.
• 52:01
  I'll get spring break before spring ball. Yeah, that'll be about it.
• 52:07
  And then June recruiting, and they'll have some time in July. What well
• 52:09
  May, what are you doing in May? May? We'll be busy doing
• 52:13
  what it's save things we're prepare for right now. I mean, can you
• 52:16
  get in the car and drive around a little bit. I mean, there's
• 52:19
  some beautiful places around. I mean our hour and a half, two hours,
• 52:22
  three hours either way. I mean it's some it's beautiful. I know
• 52:24
  you've been in Colorado. I get that, but I'm right in Texas and
• 52:28
  this is this is the Colorado for the tourism department. Here, there's a
• 52:32
  lot rather he not seen staying there, Go get another pass Rusher. Well,
• 52:36
  it's true. But here's the other part of it. My wife works,
• 52:39
  so when I can drive. Yeah, she made me working, right,
• 52:44
  And I'm going like, hey, guess what I could have three days
• 52:46
  this week? She go, I'm working, you know, so what we're
• 52:50
  gonna do or where she's on the call at night? Hey, you want
• 52:53
  to go down to Everybody says, go down to the Wonderbar, go down
• 52:57
  to the Italian place down in Clarksburg. Can't go. Yeah, Well here's
• 53:01
  the deal, dude. See I'm lining too. No, no, no,
• 53:05
  You're fine. But like, I don't know if you know this,
• 53:07
  but this podcast has an incredibly passionate group of people that listen to the show.
• 53:15
  Like, there will be people that'd be more than happy to come up
• 53:16
  here pick you up in a car. If your wife's working, they'll just
• 53:21
  drive you, right, Brad, they'd drive you around for a day.
• 53:22
  Oh no, no, no, you cannot do it without the wife.
• 53:25
  Well you should know better. I mean, how may I get it?
• 53:28
  Put this way? I'm always at the office anyway, and then when I'm
• 53:30
  home it's like, okay, well now I'm gonna leave again. Huh huh,
• 53:35
  Yeah, I get there. I think he's got his formula down,
• 53:38
  I know, while you're trying to screw with it. Yes, well,
• 53:40
  because he needs to, he needs to experience. I would West virgin I
• 53:45
  would love to, and I was I was gonna, I was gonna make
• 53:46
  a clown on the pontoon thing. Now we live out on Cheat Lake.
• 53:51
  I have not been out on Cheat Lake yet. Yeah about that. Well,
• 53:53
  listen, he buzzes around on the way. He buzzes around Thursday Fridays
• 53:58
  out there in the summer. Can you pick him up at some tops sometimes
• 54:00
  Monday, Tuesday Wednesdays? Can you can you do that? Yeah? Kenny
• 54:06
  Markiole has after he says, hey, we're going in the morning, I
• 54:07
  said, can't go? Yeah, you know you classic that? Well,
• 54:12
  get you know what, dude, your classic old school Italian like all you
• 54:15
  my opic just view, just like I just gotta I gotta go to work.
• 54:17
  I just gotta go to work. And there's other things. There's other
• 54:21
  things. No, because I hate to break this to you, but I'm
• 54:23
  incredibly competitive. Yeah, and I despise losing, right, So I'm gonna
• 54:30
  do every damn thing I can watch games. I mean, I want you
• 54:32
  to do. I war your phone out on the boat when I come get
• 54:35
  you and bring your phone with you, and that's fine. Bring one of
• 54:37
  my pads out there. You can watch players, can watch plays. Well
• 54:40
  that that kind of just kills the whole thing. Watch the three technique five
• 54:44
  tech. And I'd love to hang out with you all, but I'd rather
• 54:45
  hang out with my wife doing something I would, you know, I think
• 54:49
  that's a solid MOVEO come to ELM then trust me, she won't be excluded.
• 54:54
  Now, yeah, we're about uh, we're about good for an hour
• 54:58
  and then it's kind of I'm gonna take Brad and Tony see guys later.
• 55:00
  Yeah, that's that's about it. Okay, Well, so when did you
• 55:04
  get here last year? Interviewed Like in the middle of July. Okay,
• 55:10
  so you haven't seen spring yet? No, okay, well that's pretty good
• 55:14
  when everything gets green. And I was gonna say then it was like,
• 55:16
  I think we moved like really quickly after that, because I came in for
• 55:20
  like a retreat and then came and moved right after that. I was here
• 55:24
  like a day before practice started. Okay, so here's what Just let me
• 55:29
  just tell you this. Guess what you need to do. So there's this
• 55:31
  period of days in the spring where like someone remember that old old school TV,
• 55:37
  would you turn the color and the hue on and like make everything like
• 55:39
  really super green. There's like about a three to four day period right in
• 55:45
  West Virginia where it seems like someone just turns the knob and everything just goes
• 55:49
  like and it rains at least that day. Just drive down the dog Gone
• 55:52
  Interstate for an hour and you'll just kind of look up there and you see
• 55:57
  everything really super like. He'll get it. That's a good I've seen everything.
• 56:01
  I've seen everything. You've been to Cooper's Rock. No good. She
• 56:07
  drove, she drove down to Florida and she told me this. She goes,
• 56:09
  she goes, oh my god, she just stays beautiful. Well,
• 56:13
  yeah, and I was like, you're going down to Florida see your parents.
• 56:15
  I'm still stuppre Wow. I mean I'm whining again. Yes, there's
• 56:21
  a reason they call it almost heaven. You need to experience that again.
• 56:24
  Have portal portal, portal, dortle Well and then recruiting, recruiting, recruiting
• 56:30
  and spring ball, spring golls. I'm on the James gives. He doesn't
• 56:34
  need to see Cooper's rock right now, go get players. He's the James
• 56:37
  Brown of football, hardest working man in football. You and James Brown?
• 56:40
  Are we done? Are you just playing music? Are we done? Was?
• 56:44
  I had? I hit a button, but I didn't turn the music
• 56:45
  on. No, Yeah, I'm not done. Okay, go ahead,
• 56:46
  fire more stuff, Go ahead, fire. Okay, let's do NFL for
• 56:50
  a second. I go number one guy that you said, this guy is
• 56:55
  going to be good, we need to get him, but is maybe off
• 57:00
  the radar and then ended up being a hit. So you wanted to pat
• 57:05
  himself on the back. Yeah, because I like these stories Tyrone Crawford,
• 57:09
  right, was I had to fight you know, Rob Ryan for him,
• 57:15
  Okay, And he only ended up playing for us for about ten years and
• 57:17
  was a total bear. You know. Now, I can't say I was
• 57:22
  responsible for getting him in the building, but I can say that I got
• 57:28
  my tailkicked for beating the Tom Tom for Tony Romo. Oh no, okay,
• 57:34
  tell that story. What does that mean? Well, we had we
• 57:36
  always had meetings at the end of training camp and went around and you know,
• 57:40
  it was Testa Verdi and then we had uh Drew Henson and we had
• 57:45
  Romo, right, Well, I had Romo above Drew Henson and I was
• 57:52
  walking back with the pro director at the time, and he says, coach
• 57:55
  doesn't like Romo. He says, he's too big of a gunslinger ourselves.
• 58:00
  Yeah, okay, coach, that's just coach. He's a coach, you
• 58:02
  know. And I go, I don't give a damn. I was like,
• 58:07
  I said, he's got something that you don't have, right. And
• 58:09
  I even said at the end of the report, I said, if he
• 58:12
  ever sees the field, you're never getting him off of it, right.
• 58:15
  And then later on coach parcels, you know, hit me up and he
• 58:20
  says, yeah. He says, he said, you beat that Tom Tom
• 58:22
  for Tony for a long time. It took two years for him to get
• 58:24
  him on the field. He said, you're beating that Tom Tom every year.
• 58:28
  So what was it? What specifically was it? Where did you see
• 58:30
  it? How did you identify it? Behind him? He could do things
• 58:35
  with his eyes and his innate It's an innate feel where you sometimes don't have
• 58:42
  to see it to know it's going to be there. He could do that.
• 58:45
  He would go one, two, three, four as quick as I've
• 58:47
  ever seen and he could pick off how the leverage was by a nickel,
• 58:53
  or if they knew they're going to double win, and he could see that,
• 58:55
  he'd go away from that. I mean, there was just an innate
• 58:59
  vision and knowledge that you can't teach. You saw that on him via film,
• 59:05
  or that you have to be live and see practice. But how'd you
• 59:07
  know it beforehand? I didn't. He was He came in the same year
• 59:12
  I came in as a free agent, and I didn't know that until I
• 59:15
  sat there with him. And then the staff changed, and then Wade Wilson
• 59:19
  came back. And I'd known Wade before, right, God rest his soul.
• 59:24
  But I told Wad, I said, you're really gonna like Tony and
• 59:27
  he goes, well, I said, he said, he does things you
• 59:30
  can't teach, and I go, he sees the field like I've never seen,
• 59:34
  and he did. I mean, you could sit there in an end
• 59:37
  zone, you know, because our press box was actually in the end zone,
• 59:42
  right, and he was going away and I could see him because I
• 59:45
  could see the whole end zone shot, you know, through the you know,
• 59:47
  through the press box. He'd see leverage on DBS and reading coverage,
• 59:52
  or he knew where to go with the ball before it even happened, and
• 59:55
  he could spin it down try to disguise it, he'd still know where to
• 59:59
  go and just picked people apart. I mean, it was too bad that
• 1:00:04
  he got hurt that year because that was that was built for him and he
• 1:00:08
  was never he never had that much talent around him. He took some shots,
• 1:00:13
  he always got beat up, always got beat up, you know again,
• 1:00:15
  because he's tough. He was, you know, competitor and everything else.
• 1:00:20
  But to say like under the radar, I wasn't part of getting him
• 1:00:23
  there, yeah, you know, but I was part of the reason that
• 1:00:28
  I think that he finally got away from Bledsoe and said, okay, let's
• 1:00:32
  try to just make this move because you know whatso is kind of going downhill,
• 1:00:37
  which drew as a good player too, but he was kind of on
• 1:00:39
  his last legs and Tony took over and blew up. Yeah. I mean,
• 1:00:45
  that's just that's just a little one there, you know. But there's
• 1:00:47
  a lot of those that happened, and the ones you put this way,
• 1:00:51
  the ones you fight for, and the ones you you know, kind of
• 1:00:54
  claim right they don't care, you know, the ones they care about the
• 1:01:00
  ones you miss one, you missed, you missed on him. Oh yeah,
• 1:01:04
  but what about this on the six what about this on the sixth that
• 1:01:06
  I got got? You know, and that that happens. You know,
• 1:01:08
  it's like coaching, remember remember the West, Yes, yes, but again
• 1:01:14
  it was it was always good for you to see somebody that was successful,
• 1:01:19
  that you pounded on the table, for you fought for to be successful,
• 1:01:24
  even ones that you know, maybe somebody else didn't want, you know,
• 1:01:30
  and he goes somewhere else and blows up. You go, yeah, I
• 1:01:34
  kind of go one of these, you know. So but that's that's just
• 1:01:38
  a little like I said, that's just a little piece of it. Yeah,
• 1:01:40
  so keep going. Yeah, that's I think that's the biggest thing that
• 1:01:45
  always makes me go wow, is when guys just kind of fall out of
• 1:01:49
  favor for whatever reason that other teams are get cut and they resurface and then
• 1:01:53
  new lice on life and they and they're productive. Well there's and again I
• 1:01:58
  think this goes back to you got to have a plan for him too,
• 1:02:00
  though, because you know, we drafted a kid out of Cincinnati. I
• 1:02:05
  still remember this, Uh D'Angelo Smith. He's coaching up at Ohio, you
• 1:02:08
  now, I think, And it was like I thought he was a strong
• 1:02:14
  safety. Somebody else thought he was a free safety. Somebody else thought he
• 1:02:16
  was a you know, a nickel. Well, Dave Campbo was coaching secondary.
• 1:02:21
  Then, well he played a kid of free safety. He played him
• 1:02:23
  in strong safety, played him in nickel, and he never grew at any
• 1:02:28
  of the spots. And it almost confused him to where, you know,
• 1:02:32
  I'm learning so much. I really can't. You know, I really can't.
• 1:02:37
  I can't play fast because my mind won't let me play fast right now.
• 1:02:40
  Well, we cut him. He ends up going to Cleveland, plays
• 1:02:43
  for a while, and then he ends up in coaching. So he's smart
• 1:02:45
  enough. It was just we didn't really have a planned form. So that's
• 1:02:51
  why I said that. I was really respect. I really respect what Dan
• 1:02:54
  did. Is everybody that we drafted with him he had a plan for and
• 1:02:59
  you use him exactly the way he said he was gonna use them. I
• 1:03:02
  can't say that for anybody else because it's always like, you know, hey,
• 1:03:06
  just give me a good player, I'll find a place for him.
• 1:03:07
  Yeah. No, it's a great one. It's a great won't it's a
• 1:03:10
  great talking point. There. That is you can get into that. It
• 1:03:13
  makes all the sense in the world. It does. It does. Chef
• 1:03:15
  can have the greatest ingredients of the world. But if he doesn't need to
• 1:03:19
  write it doesn't have the thing for what he needs to make, well,
• 1:03:21
  it's not going to be as good. Yeah. And I'm and like I
• 1:03:23
  I try to do the same thing here. I try to see things differently
• 1:03:29
  because I'm not coaching them, so I'm the unbiased I that's actually trying to
• 1:03:35
  take those negatives turn them into positives. But I also may say, you
• 1:03:38
  know, hey, maybe instead of playing him there, maybe we want to
• 1:03:42
  take a look at him here, you know. Or this kid's gonna blow
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  up. You just got to get him the ball. You know, these
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  are the three best guys this is. You know, he wants me to
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  say things like that, and I do because he gives me the freedom to
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  do that, which is I mean incredible, you know from Neil, and
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  I think think the coaches, you know, respect what I have to what
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  I have to say to you, because I'm very respectful of what they do,
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  because I did it. Take out big and fast. You've said that
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  a couple times. Number one trait that a player needs to have to be
• 1:04:13
  successful either high school to college, college to bro can't move literally, can't
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  play. You can't regardless of position, regardless of position, can't play.
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  I mean, big and stiff don't work. It just doesn't work. You
• 1:04:27
  know, small and stiff doesn't work. I mean because again, if you're
• 1:04:30
  ankle and hip stiff and you can't move laterally, it's a it's a bad
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  game to be playing. There's no question. It really is personality trait you
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  most want to see competes. Yeah, I want to say, a guy
• 1:04:45
  that hates to lose it anything. I mean, I don't care if it's
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  a ping pong only guy that's competitive as hell and everything he does, so
• 1:04:54
  keep going. You want to pet peeve? Yeah, that was just saying.
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  Thing that turns you off the most. When somebody tells me average,
• 1:05:04
  What do you mean because your average is different than my average? When you're
• 1:05:09
  talking about a player, When you're looking at a player, he's average,
• 1:05:12
  Well, what makes some average? Is he good? Or is he bad?
• 1:05:15
  Is he poor? I mean, where's he good? Make a decision?
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  Right? That That bothers me. It's more so my guys that are
• 1:05:25
  evaluating tape. You know, with me and high school kids and things like
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  that. You know, I don't want to hear average, you know,
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  ever, because like I said, mine is my average is a hell of
• 1:05:35
  a lot different than yours because I spent eighteen years with the greatest athletes in
• 1:05:40
  the world. So being average there there's a hell of a lot different to
• 1:05:44
  being average here. Yeah, I would assume you're a strong advocate for younger
• 1:05:49
  kids to play multiple sports. Yes, I think I think it helps them,
• 1:05:55
  I really do. I mean, I mentioned to there was a young
• 1:05:59
  man that came in here this week and it was a running back and I
• 1:06:01
  can't you know, I can't say the names, you know, but he
• 1:06:05
  his brother was a wrestler. Love wrestlers. And he said, he said,
• 1:06:10
  did you I said, yeah, I said I did. But I
• 1:06:12
  said, you know, I said, I said, the freestyle was great.
• 1:06:15
  I said, but you know what I got the most out of and
• 1:06:15
  he goes no, I said, Greco, And he goes really, I
• 1:06:20
  said yeah, because it held my balance so much because everything was an upper
• 1:06:25
  body throw, right, so you always had to have some kind of base
• 1:06:29
  and some kind of balance with your lower So it's no different than than basketball.
• 1:06:33
  I mean, if you're playing zone defense, your hands are up,
• 1:06:35
  you're moving laterally. I mean, right, you're moving. You're learning how
• 1:06:40
  to fame. I learned how you learning foot speed? I mean I think
• 1:06:44
  that now, if you want to concentrate on one sport, that's all well
• 1:06:46
  and good. But I think just being in in another team environment throughout the
• 1:06:53
  year I think helps kids, no question. And I also I'm not a
• 1:06:57
  fan of seven on seven either, to be honest with you, I think
• 1:07:00
  it breeds quarterbacks with no conscience at all. What do you mean by that?
• 1:07:05
  I go play seven on seven and I'm playing all day long, right,
• 1:07:10
  playing one game, I throw seven, throw seven touchdowns. I might
• 1:07:14
  have thrown five picks too, right, but there's no consequences zero, you
• 1:07:21
  know, And that's what I don't like. The other thing is there's you
• 1:07:27
  know, why tackling is really really bad because of seven on seven, Because
• 1:07:31
  kids don't tackle anymore. They just don't. I mean, it's all about
• 1:07:35
  spreading everything out, It's all about space and everything else. Tackling is atrocious,
• 1:07:41
  right, And quarterbacks, you know, hey, as long as we
• 1:07:44
  win a ball game fifty five to fifty one, it's all matters, right,
• 1:07:47
  Well, you're that defensive coach on the other side, Well, you're
• 1:07:50
  catching six more damn possessions because this joker is throwing all these picks right.
• 1:07:55
  That's the bats, the football version of basketball. Kids playing aau all the
• 1:07:59
  time, they turn it out over three or four times. That to MATTERA
• 1:08:00
  I got three more games. Give me the ball again. I got another
• 1:08:03
  possession, that's right, and again and again. I'm the old man.
• 1:08:08
  Get off my grass right now. But you know, there's a lot of
• 1:08:11
  things about football that I don't care for. You know, I don't,
• 1:08:15
  And hopefully they'll change a little bit, but I'm I'm afraid they might not.
• 1:08:20
  Mean. I hope the portal becomes somewhat governed in a way at least,
• 1:08:29
  you know, maybe two year contracts, yeah, maybe stop salary.
• 1:08:32
  So what what would be the if you could do make one change, only
• 1:08:36
  one, you only get one change, what would it be to your contracts?
• 1:08:40
  Minimum too, to too, just across the board, to across the
• 1:08:43
  board. I think that's fair. It's fair for the athlete, it's fair
• 1:08:45
  for the school. Because right now, I don't even know what the roster
• 1:08:48
  is going to be until April fifth. I have no earthly idea because graduates
• 1:08:54
  can leave wherever they want. Kids can leave whenever they want, right with
• 1:08:58
  no repercussion. When I transfer, I sat out a whole year and guess
• 1:09:01
  what, I knew that was gonna happen. So I'm making this choice.
• 1:09:05
  I'm going from here to here. Well, what's your what's your consequences?
• 1:09:11
  There's no consequences. Here's the other thing what this breeds. There's absolutely no
• 1:09:16
  adversity thrunning these kids at all. None. Oh you know, I'm second
• 1:09:21
  team. Oh I'm out right, I don't have to work my way up
• 1:09:26
  or anything else. I'm gonna go somewhere else, probably gonna be better.
• 1:09:29
  It may or may not be better. But what's the adversity that you had
• 1:09:32
  to work through? What was it? Are you seeing? Are we two
• 1:09:38
  hours here? Sorry? I went off, No, because I think this
• 1:09:41
  is an important topic, and so this is along those lines. Are you
• 1:09:43
  still seeing guys entering at a surprisingly high clip or have there been enough cases
• 1:09:49
  of guys that say, Okay, I'm out but then get in and find
• 1:09:54
  out the offers aren't what they thought they were gonna be. That it's that
• 1:09:58
  it's going to level out. The market is the locker room seeing any of
• 1:10:00
  that or now, I don't think I don't think it levels it out.
• 1:10:02
  And here's here's what bothers me about that part too. I mean they think
• 1:10:08
  that, hey, I can I can go out into the portal and see
• 1:10:12
  what's out there for me, but I can still come back. Wait a
• 1:10:15
  minute, it didn't like cheating on your spouse. I mean thinking it.
• 1:10:21
  I mean think about that. Yeah, I mean you can make that case.
• 1:10:25
  Yes. So my point is, guess what would you tell me you're
• 1:10:28
  you want to leave? I think you ought to leave. I think you
• 1:10:30
  ought to be gone. Now you may you can finish out your term or
• 1:10:34
  whatever whatever, keep going to classes, but just don't come around the building.
• 1:10:38
  That's right. And a parent asked me about that over the weekend and
• 1:10:42
  said, you know, do you want to part of the team. I
• 1:10:44
  said, absolutely not. Why would I. They don't want to be here,
• 1:10:46
  and so maybe they're cancer, maybe they're saying negative things. You have
• 1:10:50
  the players, right, So, like I said, this has caused a
• 1:10:55
  lot more problems than people were aware of. I mean, correct, I
• 1:11:00
  mean just the basketball players, right? Yeah? Unintended consequences you mean yes,
• 1:11:05
  yeah, I mean I mean it was great for those those two young
• 1:11:10
  men to get to play. But it opened up Pandora's box all across the
• 1:11:15
  entire country and the entire landscape where everybody's doing this every single year now,
• 1:11:20
  and you wonder why I'm having to work so much. That's why, you
• 1:11:25
  know, just put this way, player went in last night right already evaluated
• 1:11:30
  him. I mean never, it's never going to end. And there's no
• 1:11:34
  there's no enforcement of anything. Yeah, none. They trying, but it's
• 1:11:40
  a mess. Yeah, So I don't mean to go different directions there,
• 1:11:44
  but all right, we have multiple directions talk about every night. Yeah,
• 1:11:46
  I feel like I'm crumpy old man right now. I am. We're not
• 1:11:50
  even going to talk about the NLRB ruling yesterday at Dartmouth that made basketball players
• 1:11:58
  potentially could be employee of the universe. We're not even gonna go down that
• 1:12:00
  road. Let the administrators figure out how they want to get their hands around
• 1:12:04
  that one. Yeah, that's because as soon as you do that, you
• 1:12:08
  got to have a CBA. As soon as you have that, you got
• 1:12:11
  to have a union, right, and you've dealt in that world. But
• 1:12:15
  maybe that's a world where it gets some of these some of the rules in
• 1:12:16
  place in the guardrails. No, because as soon as you do that with
• 1:12:20
  basketball and football, you're gonna have to do that with every other sport too.
• 1:12:24
  Maybe not split the thing out. We might be getting there where you
• 1:12:29
  split the thing out, have to split it. It's unsustainable the way that
• 1:12:30
  is. You can't continue to lump rowing in with football. You just can't.
• 1:12:33
  At some point it's got to split. Now what that looks like,
• 1:12:36
  you don't know. But at some point it's got to be separate entities.
• 1:12:39
  Sure, but it's got to be a separate entity. Because it's not,
• 1:12:42
  then it's gonna be a title line violation, no, no question. But
• 1:12:44
  that's why it won't be That's why you're gonna have to separate it out.
• 1:12:45
  Yeah. But that's and again I've said this, I would not want to
• 1:12:50
  be an athletic director right now. It's it's a very hard job, very
• 1:12:55
  hard, as difficult as it's ever been, because it is every day is
• 1:13:00
  a step into the total unknown. Yeah, and things just keep flying back
• 1:13:04
  and forth on how you get your hands on it. No, And again,
• 1:13:08
  one of the reasons why I was tired of what I was doing is
• 1:13:12
  because I did exactly the same thing every single day for fourteen straight years.
• 1:13:18
  I mean it was clockwork. And I said, you know, I said,
• 1:13:21
  this is pretty cool. Changes like about every ten minutes. No,
• 1:13:25
  it changes about every five Now. I mean, it's even worse than I
• 1:13:29
  thought it was going to be because I never expected them to let transfers just
• 1:13:33
  transfer whatever they like they wanted to. I never thought it would come to
• 1:13:36
  that. That's going to be the neat. That neat, but that's going
• 1:13:39
  to be the interesting thing to see how they resolve that that can't continue.
• 1:13:44
  No, but I don't know if the NCAA can do anything about it.
• 1:13:45
  Well, I might not. Yeah, I know, it's going to be
• 1:13:47
  some new Yeah, it might be a whole new division, some new thing,
• 1:13:53
  new entity, which is why there's going to be separation. It's a
• 1:13:56
  TB. It'd be a TBN to be named what is it exactly? How
• 1:14:00
  do you do it? And it could be network driven, it could be
• 1:14:02
  conference driven. Yeah, it's gonna be network driven. Issue know as they're
• 1:14:06
  going to call it the shots because every time you turn around, you know,
• 1:14:12
  like you say, you know the way, the NFL is the the
• 1:14:14
  most popular sport in the world because almost every single month. You got football.
• 1:14:19
  Oh yeah, and the new league that's starting. It's just going to
• 1:14:23
  start in March's gonna keep rolling right through. But you got NFL going all
• 1:14:26
  the way through March and April and oh yeah, July July one to about
• 1:14:31
  July seventeenth, the camp opens. That's it, you know. Not only
• 1:14:34
  that, though, that announcement last night was pretty interesting. They've now moved
• 1:14:38
  into Friday night territory. Do you see that opening weekend? Opening game is
• 1:14:42
  going to be on a Thursday. Now, there's a game. It's going
• 1:14:43
  to happen in Brazil this year, but it's a Friday goal. So yeah,
• 1:14:46
  NFL not just expanding month, expanding days of the week now here too.
• 1:14:51
  Not surprised, which they said to college and pro would never do that
• 1:14:55
  because I go football. But yeah, nope, money it's always it's always
• 1:15:00
  a month. I said, I feel like an old I feel like an
• 1:15:01
  old, grumpy old man. Right, yeah, we're starting a campaign.
• 1:15:05
  Let Drew see the state of West Virginia. I don't know, we're gonna
• 1:15:09
  figure out. Maybe kidnap put a bag over his head just driving around.
• 1:15:12
  Oh, take the bag off. Okay, this is the new River Gorge
• 1:15:15
  yeah, right, like I said. The problem is, like I said,
• 1:15:16
  I gotta get my wife off of work and then get her to come
• 1:15:20
  along and we'll get it done. She deserves to see it too. She
• 1:15:23
  works over the hospital. Yes, oh, we'll get her days off.
• 1:15:26
  We know people over there get we'll get that tank. We're fine. When
• 1:15:31
  she's not over there, she's got another one. Yeah, you know,
• 1:15:33
  we'll get a fixed. Take Drew to West Virginia. That's what we're gonna
• 1:15:38
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