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#252 - Phora · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: All right, here we go Boutlet Cat Podcast. We got
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  Speaker 1: a special guest in here. My guy Forah is in
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  Speaker 1: the building. Man, thank you for having me. New album,
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  Speaker 1: Butterfly Effect YEP is out right now. Yes, sir, why
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  Speaker 1: that name because obviously we know the movie, Yeah, some
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  Speaker 1: of us might know the movie dark movie movie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like kind of in the dust shill,
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  Speaker 1: like everything happens for a reason, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things happened in my life where I felt like I
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  Speaker 1: wanted this, I wanted that, and I didn't get those things.
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  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I kind of accepted,
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  Speaker 1: like kind of like accepting fate, manifest destiny kind of thing,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, everything kind of just works the way
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  Speaker 1: it's supposed to. And I don't feel like I'll be
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  Speaker 1: here right now if all those good and bad things
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  Speaker 1: didn't happen. When you say you wanted certain things, are
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  Speaker 1: you talking about like industry type success, industry life, you know, success,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's success, love, family, things, financial, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: You know we all want those things, but sometimes we
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  Speaker 1: don't get them. Well, listen, man, I got to give
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  Speaker 1: your flowers because I know you like have kind of
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  Speaker 1: been through the ringer in the music industry. You've obviously
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  Speaker 1: been on major labels, You've had a career that's spanned
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  Speaker 1: over that decade now. But like, dude, you fucking are lit. Bro.
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  Speaker 1: It's fun. I'm having fun with it, man, It's it's
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  Speaker 1: a fun job. I don't know if you still have
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  Speaker 1: your store on Fairfax do you nah? Just okay? But
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  Speaker 1: you had okay, you had that store for a very
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  Speaker 1: long time. On facts right, it was fun. Most of
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  Speaker 1: these rappers couldn't sell a fucking concert tationic let alone
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  Speaker 1: have a successful clothing line that has a brick and
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  Speaker 1: mortar store on one of the most expensive streets in
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  Speaker 1: fucking America. Yeah, it's stressful, man, it's it's a stressful
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  Speaker 1: thing to maintain big deal while maintaining a you know,
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  Speaker 1: music career, a brand career, a business, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, all those type of things. It's stressful. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just have fun with it and I
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  Speaker 1: just kind of you know, literally the album you put out,
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  Speaker 1: was it in twenty twenty, your last album? Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I would love to you did some crazy numbers man, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: fun that phone with it, Independent, Independent, Klin and Jane
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  Speaker 1: and shout Out to the Hemmies. Hey, all the fucking
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  Speaker 1: I hate I understand that. Like it's easy to like
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  Speaker 1: compare yourself to other people with your peers or people
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  Speaker 1: who you feel like, oh man, I see them on
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  Speaker 1: you know, performing at award shows. That should fuck all that, bro,
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  Speaker 1: Like you've done a lot of and those are the
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  Speaker 1: things I'm talking about, Like I want those, you know,
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  Speaker 1: award shows. I want to be at the Grammys here
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  Speaker 1: and be it you know this and that. But at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, like I'm kind of just accepting of
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  Speaker 1: and grateful mostly of what I have and what's been
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  Speaker 1: given to me and what I worked for. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like not everybody has a fair chance, and
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  Speaker 1: some people have advantages. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: you just kind of find you have to find what's
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  Speaker 1: you know, what you're grateful for. When you're a hardcore
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  Speaker 1: fan base and a lot of people would die for
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  Speaker 1: that shit, dog, yeah, Like sometimes you got to like
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  Speaker 1: and I'm grateful for it for real, because I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be I wouldn't be here still ten years plus after.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you got some like talk weird fans too, Yeah, crazy,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like those are the best ones, most of
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  Speaker 1: the women who I've come in contact with who are
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  Speaker 1: Big Four fans are psychos. Yeah, been through. The thing
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  Speaker 1: is they've been through a lot of they're like crazy bitches.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah sure, Yeah, I've been through it, been through a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ships, been through my personal experience, like you
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  Speaker 1: have love for you, like you had a personal experience,
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  Speaker 1: you had a you had a she set some clothes
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  Speaker 1: on fire, or she's you know, busted some windows. Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we all kind of been through that
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  Speaker 1: for sure. For sure, you might have an extra crazy
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  Speaker 1: one though. I just I'm not even women I've necessarily
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  Speaker 1: had any sort of personal relationship, but just that I know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh yeah, yeah, you got like my
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  Speaker 1: wife's sister, who's a flaming cunt. She loves you, but
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  Speaker 1: she sucks, she's but she fucking loves you. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: they might these people, these people like they might need
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  Speaker 1: something or someone. Some of these some of these people
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  Speaker 1: have not found the one yet, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: Like somebody, but they need someone to really be their
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  Speaker 1: form and change their life. I've seen it happen too.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen someone's life and personality be changed in one day.
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  Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing. Man. How have you been dealing
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  Speaker 1: with because you know, I feel like you do live
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  Speaker 1: your life outward online sometimes, right. You know, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like we've kind of seen you go through like public,
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  Speaker 1: you know, issues when it comes to maybe depression or
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe some of your previous relationships. Just you
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  Speaker 1: kind of gone through a lot of stuff and like
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  Speaker 1: we've seen it. How are you doing today? That's a
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  Speaker 1: good question. Uh. Today, I'm still like the same person.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still kind of the same person, but I'm just less.
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  Speaker 1: I try to be less open on social media and
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  Speaker 1: everything just because I don't feel like it makes anything better.
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  Speaker 1: But the reason why I try to be open on
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  Speaker 1: social media is because there's a lot of people out
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  Speaker 1: there going through the same shit. You know, we're all human.
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  Speaker 1: You could be you get out of ten million followers,
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  Speaker 1: ten million dollars, like, life's still gonna hit you. You You
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  Speaker 1: can't get away from life. But at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, I feel like I feel like I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: just going through the same thing, but I kind of
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  Speaker 1: deal with my you know, my thoughts and everything in
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  Speaker 1: a different way. Now now that I'm getting older, I
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  Speaker 1: talk to people, I uh you know, just have conversations
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  Speaker 1: with myself, but I still try to be open. You know,
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  Speaker 1: have you got a therapy? I have done to therapy?
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  Speaker 1: Was it helpful? No? It wasn't. No. How many times
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  Speaker 1: did you go though? I've been to three different therapists,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe I need to find the right one's that's
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  Speaker 1: what they say. But I don't know, man, I feel
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  Speaker 1: I know it's supposed to be like a judge free
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  Speaker 1: zone kind of thing, but I feel like when I'm
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  Speaker 1: telling my story not judging, but they kind of don't
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  Speaker 1: get it, you know, and it's hard to talk to
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  Speaker 1: someone who doesn't get it when you say this, this
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  Speaker 1: and that and they're like hmm. But you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure. Maybe I need to you know what you need?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what I need. You need a hero's
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  Speaker 1: dose of mushrooms, that is, that's the truth. Yeah, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: or you need to hop on a plane with your
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  Speaker 1: lady go to fucking Costa Rica. Yeah, do some fucking ayahuasca.
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  Speaker 1: But but here's the crazy thing. Here's a crazy thing. Serious.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I hear you and i' and I've heard
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  Speaker 1: that and I've been told that. But I love life, bro. No,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna love life more. No, listen, bro, I promise
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  Speaker 1: you it's not I'm not telling you something like in
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  Speaker 1: a negative way, like yeah, everyone, not you, not just yeah,
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  Speaker 1: anybody in the world should do psychedelics at least at
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  Speaker 1: least once all the time. Yeah. Here's the thing with me, though,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I have a great balance, Like I
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  Speaker 1: love life, but then like I hate life. But having
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  Speaker 1: having that pain, having that anger, having that internal flame
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  Speaker 1: inside me, pushes me to do certain things, you know,
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  Speaker 1: push pushes me to make certain music for people, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Who So, like Aaron Rodgers. He's
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  Speaker 1: a football player. So he's fucking back to back NFL
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  Speaker 1: MVP this year. He's been terrible. But two years ago
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  Speaker 1: he said he went to Costa Rica did ayahuasca and
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  Speaker 1: unlocked something in his brain and he's just like, fucking
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  Speaker 1: he's an amazing football player. And I mean he's always
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  Speaker 1: been amazing, but hecuse what what changed? He just said
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  Speaker 1: that he like understood the world more, he became more
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  Speaker 1: self aware, he became more like it really kind of
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  Speaker 1: kills your ego. It kind of like, yeah, you should
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  Speaker 1: do some shrooms. At least I'm gonna try it. I
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  Speaker 1: got some for you before you leave here, you'll have some. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: What I like? I like the balance between between happy
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  Speaker 1: and side though I don't want to be happy all
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  Speaker 1: the time. I mean, you don't want to be happy
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  Speaker 1: all the time, but you also want to like have
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  Speaker 1: an understanding of why you're Like there's probably a lot
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  Speaker 1: of like repressed ship that you don't even know is
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  Speaker 1: there for real? Like I had my homie. Uh I
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  Speaker 1: would say his name, but he's an industry guy. Uh
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  Speaker 1: he said that he he Well, I knew this guy
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  Speaker 1: to be like one of the more degenerate pieces of
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  Speaker 1: shit of like all time. Gambled, did a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: fucking cocaine. It's always sniffing blo off hooker's asses. Just
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  Speaker 1: a psychopath, right, Okay, great guy though I love him.
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  Speaker 1: But he did ayahuasca and he hasn't touched drugs. He
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  Speaker 1: hasn't gambled. He got married, had a baby, he got
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  Speaker 1: fucking Wow, he's like professionally doing better than he's ever done.
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  Speaker 1: Like ayahuasca. So what's the ayahuasca. It's like a it's
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  Speaker 1: like a drink, like a tea that stems from a
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  Speaker 1: root that is DMT based, but it's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: Paoti different. I'm not too familiar with paoti, but it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot more intense. You drink it and DMT
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  Speaker 1: kind of No, DMT is like, yeah, it is DMT,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a slower version of DMC. Like have you
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  Speaker 1: smoked DMT? Have you ever smoked MT? No? I haven't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't say I have. Yeah, if you smoked d MT,
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  Speaker 1: you would just go away for like a half hour
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  Speaker 1: ayahuasca your present in the moment. It's like six hours. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of like you, but you do it with a shaman
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  Speaker 1: to work you through it, you know, and they guide you,
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  Speaker 1: they guide you, and then you come out the other
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  Speaker 1: side like a fucking Like my friend who we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about told me it was like doing thirty years
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  Speaker 1: of therapy in six hours. Wow. Is there anyone that
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't worked for? Nobody? I know, no one that
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  Speaker 1: went crazy? Like no, I got a couple of homies,
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  Speaker 1: so like they go to Costa Rica three times a
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  Speaker 1: year just to get there, like get just to get it,
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  Speaker 1: get their fucking their mind right. Fuck hey, because you
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  Speaker 1: know what, all that fucking all the therapy shit is
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  Speaker 1: cool and it's helpful. I think everbody should go therapy,
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  Speaker 1: talk to somebody. But like the medicine that they try
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  Speaker 1: to put you on some bullshit like medication. All this
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  Speaker 1: is some fun shit like do some mushrooms, bro, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is that natural kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like talking to someone is important, though it isn't
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  Speaker 1: talking to someone who kind of understands or is willing
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  Speaker 1: to listen even if they don't understand. Yes. But the
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  Speaker 1: other thing is is you're in a position where a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people you probably talk to do they depend
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  Speaker 1: on you in some way, in some way, So don't
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  Speaker 1: talk anybody who depends on you for anything. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: there's there are also people who depend on that aren't
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  Speaker 1: like that makes sense selfish, that makes sense, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but you know not everyone is like extremely selfish, and
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  Speaker 1: some people are willing to, you know, kind of step
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  Speaker 1: outside of who they are and understand you feel me
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  Speaker 1: no for sure? Man. So this album? What would you
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  Speaker 1: describe this album as just in terms of like the motivation,
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  Speaker 1: the message? Yeah, you're at I think it's I think
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  Speaker 1: it's just a new me. I took a two year
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  Speaker 1: kind of break, didn't drop a project, and before this.
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  Speaker 1: I've dropped the album every single year, especially as an
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  Speaker 1: independent artist, of course have to do that. But I
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  Speaker 1: took like a year, two years off, and I kind
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  Speaker 1: of just like did all the bad shit I had
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  Speaker 1: to do, did all the you know, did all the
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  Speaker 1: self reflecting I had to do, and just kind of
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  Speaker 1: did everything. And I feel like it's a new me.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's just kind of a
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  Speaker 1: just a recap of, you know, what I've been through
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  Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah, what's the jew I forget the exact
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  Speaker 1: day June. What the song about the June six? June six,
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  Speaker 1: what's the significance of that date? Yeah, that's that. That's
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  Speaker 1: it's a more of a personal song. I try to
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  Speaker 1: get real, like in depth and like deep about someone
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  Speaker 1: who you know, obviously I had a you know something
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  Speaker 1: with but I felt like naming that song that just
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  Speaker 1: because it's a real uh, I don't know that that
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  Speaker 1: day when it was, yeah, a bad day or a
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  Speaker 1: good day. A good day, Yeah, a good day. So
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  Speaker 1: I kind of do that like reflecting on that, and
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  Speaker 1: when that day passes by, I'm kind of just like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Yeah, but you are pretty
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  Speaker 1: outward with your relationships online. I feel like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like it's not it's not that out of the box.
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  Speaker 1: It's not normal people do that. But do you always
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  Speaker 1: like you're a famous guy? Right you people? People? Fucking
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  Speaker 1: fucking bro you're late. I like it, man, it's lit.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm with someone I like to, I like to
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  Speaker 1: show him all. Yeah exactly. But is there any like
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  Speaker 1: downside to that? Because I, I mean, I'm not as
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  Speaker 1: popping as you, but I fucking feel the downside. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean what can be uh NFL players hopping in
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  Speaker 1: the d M. I mean what they're like, there's about this?
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  Speaker 1: How about this? I said? I said Tupac was overrated
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  Speaker 1: in an interview once ship and I didn't even meet it.
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  Speaker 1: In like, he's overrated, overrated. I just meant he's not
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  Speaker 1: top five, he's like top ten maybe you know, he's
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  Speaker 1: like nine to ten two. He's not top two. He's not.
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  Speaker 1: I love and I love Tupac. I'm a Tupac fan,
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  Speaker 1: but dude, there was fucking these maniac motherfucking Tupac fans
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  Speaker 1: who threatened to murder my wife. They d m her,
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, yes, yeah, that'll that'll get you that And
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even say it in a disrespectful way. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So that's social media. Social media is crazy. Social media
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  Speaker 1: is crazy. But with me, I feel like I'm just
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  Speaker 1: I don't I feel like it's better man to not
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  Speaker 1: really have anything to hide. And of course, like if
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  Speaker 1: you don't feel like putting your business out there is cool.
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  Speaker 1: But if I'm with someone comfortable with it, I'm comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with it. And and like and like I said, whatever
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  Speaker 1: happens happens if someone slides into the you know, NFL
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  Speaker 1: player and that's it for me, and you know, I
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  Speaker 1: guess I get swooped on. This is kind of has happen.
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  Speaker 1: Say he brought it up, but I'm saying, Aaron Rodgers
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  Speaker 1: take the check. If Aaron if Aaron Rodgers, if Aaron
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  Speaker 1: Rogers swoops and it was that easy, then it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: meant to be in the first place. If Aaron Rodgers
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  Speaker 1: DMS my chick, I'm gonna be like, go ahead, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: You got to leave it up to give you some tickets.
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  Speaker 1: You got to leave it up to the girl to
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  Speaker 1: the side. You need some good tickets, that's all I need.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, handle it. Let me hang out with him
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  Speaker 1: once a year, we'll go do Ayahwaska together. Like, how's
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  Speaker 1: my ex wife? She's good, She's a nice lady, right
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  Speaker 1: shot to Aaron Rodgers, that's a different level. So for
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  Speaker 1: you man, going from starting out in Dependently you're on
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  Speaker 1: RCA right Warner, going through the major label situation where
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  Speaker 1: it felt like they kind of didn't know what to
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  Speaker 1: do with you or it just kind of felt like
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  Speaker 1: obviously it didn't work out how you probably wanted it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now. It was it was just
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  Speaker 1: I got to do what I wanted to do, but
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  Speaker 1: they also had to approve certain things and I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: feeling it. You know. When I got off Warner, I
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  Speaker 1: was able to make music with who I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: make music with and blah blah blah like, but when
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  Speaker 1: I was on on Warner, I was like, I want
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  Speaker 1: to do this is a perfect song for this person.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get this record to this person. I
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  Speaker 1: have someone that wants to make it and they would
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  Speaker 1: like give their personal personal opinions. You know, I even
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  Speaker 1: I just have so many crazy like stories. I was
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  Speaker 1: only on the label for two years, but it was
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  Speaker 1: just like you got all these people that don't really
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  Speaker 1: know music that want to tell you how to make
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  Speaker 1: music and who you should make music with and how
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  Speaker 1: you should create music, you know what I mean. And
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  Speaker 1: it just wasn't wasn't my vibe because you're not in
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  Speaker 1: there with all musicians. You're in there with business people,
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  Speaker 1: suiting ties, people who know like finance and all that
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But when it comes to the music, like,
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  Speaker 1: there's no answers to this. What up, y'all? We got
• 15:17
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• 15:18
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• 15:20
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  Speaker 1: get back to the interview. You know, what I realized
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  Speaker 1: these major labels, their number one objective is to not
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  Speaker 1: get fired. That's all I care about. So they're like,
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  Speaker 1: how can I not get fired? They want to avoid risks, right,
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  Speaker 1: exactly right, So their whole thought process is, Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to get fired because I got a fucking
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  Speaker 1: mortgage and these fucking kids. I gotta feed in a side, bitch,
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  Speaker 1: and all this other shit gets done. And artists are Risks,
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  Speaker 1: and I have this, I have this artist I want
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: to push him to do a song with. I'm playing
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  Speaker 1: the numbers game. So and so has got a fucking
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: viral hit or it's hot right now. Let me try
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: to wish that feature to happen, even if it's not organic. Yeah,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: where you might be like, I would rather do this
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: because it makes sense and it sounds good, and oh
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: that's it. I've I've got the credit. They when I
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: was in Warner I mean no shade, but I was.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: They try to push me to do so many songs
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: with these artists whose the most random artists. They try
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: to have you do I don't know, just random, like E.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: D M kind of thing. I don't even remember the name.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: It's like, yo, you should do a song with fucking
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: crazy Yeah. And then I was, by the way, every
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: kind of hard marshmows fire. Yeah. It just it just
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: has to it's just bad examples. It has to feel right,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: it has to feel right. But I've been in the
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: room and I've sat with like the President and I've
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: been like, oh, you know, I want to do this song,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: or we're thinking about we want to get this song
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: done with. There was one time, I was like, I
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: want to get this song done with Juice World, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, Juice World, Like wow, we don't think
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: that's like necessary or we don't think that's early to
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: you know, it was early, super early, and they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we don't think And I was like it makes sense,
• 17:59
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• 18:02
  Speaker 1: been crazy. They're like, oh no, well we think, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: we should kind of turn that sad around and we
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: should do something more up tempo. You know, they always
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: want the up tempo kind of thing. I'm just like,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: that's not me. That's not what I'm trying to do.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to you know, I have this vision
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, well this song and these songs
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: are doing good. It's just too much like like analysis
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: from people who aren't really like taking in, like well,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: they're just worried about losing their job. Yeah, that's what
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: it is, and that's what But sometimes they think they
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: know just bably want to put numbers on the wall, bro,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: but they think they know based off previous numbers, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: there's always going to be something, everything's always evolving, yeah exactly, Yeah, sure,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: they go off the past. So now right now, they're
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: going off like TikTok and and you know it has
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to be like this, it has to be like this
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: because this is doing good. But what's after that? You know,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: what TikTok thing is is the best and worst thing
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: that's probably ever happened there oh music, because it's like
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: it's dope because you get discovered and if you know,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: there's people who've gotten discovered on TikTok that are actually
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: really talented and yeah, but then there's other ship where
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it's like these labels are just signing motherfucker's based on
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a five second clip, a twenty five second of a song.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: It's like and then you hear the whole song and
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: you're like this, what is this? You know, but it's
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: giving more power to independent artists. So at the same time,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: right because people, you know, you have a hit song
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: and you're just like, fuck, I don't need no label.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Well talk, It also is good if you're on it
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and you're doing the right shit, you're creating the right content,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you're engaging with your fans. It's like it's a way
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: to pop your ship, right, you know, Like someone who
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: kind of had a similar career path in terms of
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: like dealing with major labels, starting off independent, ending up
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: independent again. It's like Snow the product. Yeah, she's on
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Atlantic forever. She's dope, and they fucking fumbled that whole situation.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Then she got off and then she went and did
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a fucking freestyle that went viral. Yeah, and then it
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: got Grammy nominated. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: known Snow for a long time years, six plus years.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: She's she's a beast, and she really got that. She
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: got the Latin side to her too, so she got
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: a wild Yeah, yeah, crazy, she's super dope, underrated, under
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: super underrated. What is for you having the type of
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: fans you have? Has there ever been a situation with
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: a fan that like they went a little overboard? We
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: talked about them today. I had I've had stalkers. I've
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: had stockers. I had people like waiting outside my house
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: like kind of thing like, oh no, where you live?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Be with them? Yeah? Yeah, crazy, fucking weird, like real,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: like real story, like stalker outside waiting outside, Call the cops, cops, chicker, dude,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: chick Yeah girl, Yeah, I don't know, man, I mean no,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: but it's not that it's not it's not the attention
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: you want. It sounds like, oh wow, but that sounds terrible. Yeah,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: it's bad. You call the cops, cops come and they're
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: just like oh and cops leave. You're like, damn, she's
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: still here here? Then what do you do? You know?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: And it's just like you gotta get a what's that
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: thing called order of protection? Man? But what order of protection?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: It's like where they can't restrain in order. Yeah. I
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: don't even know the person's name or who they are
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: or anything about them. And I'm like, we're all scared
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: to go down there. We don't know if she's there
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: with the knife or anything. That's fucking crazy. You can't
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: even sleep, you're outside the window. Yes, crazy, it's crazy.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Would you say because you have had some You've had
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: some pretty crazy like brushes with almost losing your life
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: over the years, MANE was it last year that someone
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: tried to shoot at you were going to Vegas? I
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: think it was like last year, two years ago. Yeah,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and then something like that also kind of happened in
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: like twenty fifteen, twenty fifteen. Yeah, I got I got shot,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: got object. Yeah. I mean, you've had some serious brushes
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: with death. LA is crazy though, it's fucked for sure,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: it's only getting worse. But do you like when that
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: has happened to you. I had a similar situation. I
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: didn't have anyone try to kill me almost kill my
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: fucking cell phone. Not not on purpose, but uh yes,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: it like shook me. Man. I'm like, damn, I could
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: have fucking like literally died. Like, yeah, you know, I've
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I've had a lot of experiences with that. One thing
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I kind of learned is like riding around with you know,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: in the lambos and three corvettes following behind you and
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: riding around in these cars and just being kind of loud.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: It's not really like the smartest thing to do or
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: the safest thing to do, you know. And I used
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: to roll around like that a lot, but these days
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of like more, I'm just smarter about it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I don't really like the all the crazy, loud, bright
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: color cars. You seem to be like a pretty peaceful guy. Yeah,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I could get wild at times, No, but I just
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: mean in terms of like you put a lot of
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: positive energy into the world. Ye. Your music is like
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: it's not very negative. It's not like you're talking like
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a bunch of crazy, but I like to have fun though.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: You do like to have fun a lot of fun.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: You do like to have fun sometimes on Instagram life. Yeah,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: sometimes your ig lives fucking starts up, bro, you know.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: But you know, I just the older I get, the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: more I realize, like, Okay, I gotta move smart because
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and I've learned from a lot in the past, but
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: now I'm just like, Okay, if we go somewhere, if
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: we do something, we have to be strategic and militant,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, moved the right way, especially with what's
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: going on, you know, these days, it's just it's fucked
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: right now, It's fuck it's too crazy, yeah, because LA's
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: kind of always had that element, right, But it's like,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like the ed D thing was so strong
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: here compared to everywhere else. Yea, I had I had
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: friends that were coming here from out of town, yeah,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: to like commit edd fraud and they didn't get it
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: from here, but they were just getting money money. Yeah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about that too. And I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: think people are just getting away with shit out here
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: and they're just like fuck, like not fearing the consequences
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and not knowing, like what's what's going to come back?
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: So people are just down to do whatever they were
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: just like you could find like a homeless guy and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: just paying for his social and his information and then
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: collect I fuck I home. He's hitting the ATM for
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: like five or six grand every Friday. Just mask yes
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and that's it and that's it. And it was so easy.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck is going on? Bro,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: They're trying to convince me to do it. I thought
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: about it. I'm like, wow, I'm like, yo, y'all are
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: getting away with this ship. I'm like what But what
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I feel this is fucked. I feel I've never seen
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that ship happened. Like, I've never seen people get money
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: so easily in my life. So it was like scary.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: It's almost like the Bitcoin thing, where's like it might
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: be a little fucked eventually, Like but what I fear
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: is karma though, because it always comes back, you know. Yeah,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: So I was. I thought about it. So I'm like,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: damn that comes it comes back to federal prison. Federal
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: prison is how it comes back for you. Oh yeah,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: everyone's going to prison right now for sure, especially with
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the VPS. Oh my god. Oh man. There was a
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: guy later you're going to jail. There's a huge company,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: huge company, one might venture. We might be wearing some
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: of this brand in this room right now. They're in
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Orange County, Okay, the owner imagine starting a business that's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: fake and then so you not to put if I
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: say too much. This motherfucker did all this ship and
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: then got a fucking he started a whole new business
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: just to fucking get a PPP own with pretty much
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: fake employees, made everyone work like one hour, and then
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: bought a fucking private jet. Crazy, And now the Alphabet
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: boys are on their ass and it's like, Bro, what'd
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: you think was gonna yeah? Done? What did you think
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: was gonna happen? Yeah? This is I mean, especially you
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: do it on a big level like that, they're gonna
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: find you. I think that that that that that is
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: also a big attribution ast to why like LA's kind
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: of gotten a little more crazier because like people got
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit of taste of that, you know, and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: they want and they want it and they want more.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: So it's like, are you pretty like uh careful about
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: like not like if you're gonna go out to eat
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: or something, not posting or like I mean even like
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: bars leaving the story at home. Oh yeah, well when
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I go anytime I go out anywhere that's not like
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: down the street or if like I'm in a public
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: situation like this is a private situation, so yeah, a podcast.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: But if I go out to eat food, like I'm
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: wearing shorts like dirty shoes in a hoodie and like nothing, no, no, nothing,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm just like, no one's gonna look twice at
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: me because I'm just like I have nothing for you, bro,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, but you can also always I'm trying
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to push this narrative to rappers and start rocking fake jewelry. Yeah,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: who gives a fuck? Yeah, who's gonna question I've had
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: my share of. You know, if you're a little baby
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and you have a fake like fucking Rolex besides fake watchbuster,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: he's gonna call you out for sure. Yeah, but who's
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: gonna question you? Fuck? That's what no one, no one,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: no one could walk up to a little baby with
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a diamond testing. I'm like, funk off, bro, Yeah like
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: what he don't even got to say. He got his security,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: he got his people, yo back up? Yeah you know
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: do you? Yeah? I mean, not a bad idea when
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you first got into the game, did you do the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: fake jewels? Of course, just because, And it's less about like, oh,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: fake dreelry, but more like people kind of give you,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: gift you this and that, and you find out like, oh,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: he's not giving me real diamonds. He's giving me you know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and it's cool, like fuck, I'll take it. Whatever. That
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: happened to me. And I was living in Tampa and
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: shout out to my guy, Jane the jeweler. He does
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: all russ Is jewelry. Great guy, but Jane gifted me
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: this giant fucking Jaine and I'm thinking, I'm rocking some
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: real shit. It's happened. It's happened to me. For that
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: ship was played as fuck and the diamonds were not real.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: But if it's free, it's free. And if it looks
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: good on you, fucking why not. And if you and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: if you get robbed, you're kind of just like take it. Yeah. No.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: My boy was like he gave you that, and he
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: was like, let me see it. He just held it.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: He's like, it's not real. I was like, I don't
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: know shit about jewelry. How active do you plan on
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: being after now? Obviously you were talking earlier. You know,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: you're used to kind of dropping yearly. Are you gonna
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: make fans wait a lot longer this time or no?
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I think I really just it was just these kind
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: of like two years or that year and a half,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and I needed to take that time off to really
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, find myself and self reflect, like
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I said, But now I'm on go mode. I have
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: one hundred plus songs already already already planned out, ready
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to come out. So I'm ready to go. And with
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: being independent, I kind of look back on it, I'm like,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: why did I wait so long? But it's more of
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a personal reason because now in this day and age especially,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: you have to be consistent. You have to be ten
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: times more consistent than four years ago, five years ago,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: six years ago. You're in competition with everyone. Now yeah
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: it is everybody. Everybody who has an iPhone, you're in
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: competition with them. And you're not only competing with with
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: other artists, you're competing with just attention. Yeah, I don't, bro,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, bro, Like I'm a huge rap fan
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and I listened to I listened to I mean, I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: put in my Spotify recap I think I listened to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: like twenty eight thousand minutes of music or some shit.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: But Broby on podcast Dog, Yeah, Like, if I'm riding around,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I'm usually listening to somebody talk about fucking fantasy football
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: or sports, or Joe Rogan talking about ayahuasca and artists
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and musicians. They're in competition with Well with that shit
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: for sure, everything because you just need the attention. What
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: are you doing in your spare time these days? Like,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: how do you spend time? It's funny you mention it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I gamble a lot. I have a lot of fun
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: doing that. I play everything, poker, black jack, everything kind
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of you know. I mean, listen, I happen to be
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a degenerate. Yeah, and it's same. You say that in
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: a very like playful way, but oh, it's not playful.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: You've probably had some terrible nights where you wanted to
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: fuck it. Bro I've been at the casino and I've
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: genuinely thought about robbing people. Yeah that's not recently, not recently,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: but like ten years ago, like twelve years ago, when
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I was doing radio in Vegas, and I'd be at
• 29:56
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• 29:58
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  Speaker 1: do you do you you play everything equally? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: play everything kind of equally. You know. What I learned
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: about gambling is everything it opened my eyes to, like
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: not even money. But everything is relative, you know, So
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  Speaker 1: when when someone loses one hundred dollars, it's like I've
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  Speaker 1: seen rich people lose, you know, at a table in
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: an hour. I've seen them lose five hundred thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: But everything is relative. So when you see someone rob
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  Speaker 1: someone or kill someone over you know that one hundred
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: dollars and you're like, oh, it's just one hundred dollars.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: It might have been you know everything, yeah, exactly, and
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: every It kind of like put everything into perspective for
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: me and seeing all these different walks of life, like
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: play with all this different type of money, and it's
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: opened my eyes, you know, to like to how kind
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: of fucked up and twisted money is, you know it.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: And it made me value money a lot less, you
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: know how, because I used to be like, Yo, this
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: is what money is, what we need to survive. But
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I've just seen so so many things, so many crazy
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: gamble there. It almost like desensitizes you to the factor
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: giving money. It feels like you're playing a game, yeah,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: because they give you the chips and it's like this
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: is little chips and then you walk away, you go
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you go home, and then and you're like, oh, that
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: shit was real moneys. Yeah. The worst is like I
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: have a friend who's made millions of dollars gambling, but
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I've also seen it like he goes to the high
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: limit slots and he'll do loser. You'll do like thousand,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: two thousand of fucking spin And like I've seen him
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: hit for like nine hundred k yeah, like one point
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: two million, but I also see him lose. I've also
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: seen him been down three hundred thousand dollars on one day,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: and I was like, it's a part of it. My god.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: What is your biggest uh win in gambling and the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: worst night you've ever had in terms of loss of homes.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I've had bad nights, but y'all like just little little nights.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: My biggest win in gambling was about quarter million on
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: my birthday, And it was like, I was like, what
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the hell like cause I don't really like I believe
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: in luck, but I believe in like like reality too,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: you know, Like I don't think like you go to
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Vegas and you just you're gonna win because it's your birthday.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: But I won quarter million on my birthday and I'm
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: just like, what were you playing black blackjack? Only? Yeah?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Quarter million? That was like a slow come up now.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I was like one day, you know what I mean
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: in terms of like you know, some some people will
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: sit down at a slot machine and hit a quarter
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: million in fucking life, oh yeah yeah, or they'll play roulette,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and you know roulette you could win fast like black
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I was just slow. Yeah, it's not slow. When you're
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: betting five thousand, ten thousand, it's pretty fast. You'd be
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: there for three four hours. You either lose everything or
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: you win up to fifty to fifty. And I'm like,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: that must have been the best birthday of your life.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is so crap. I was telling
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: my girl. I was like, this is like is this birthday?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Look like? What's going on? It was? My goodness, it
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: was I can't imagine a better birthday. Yeah, ever, yeah,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: but then it also made me realize, like, you know,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: all this money, like, uh, it's it's I don't know.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I don't have been a fucking problem that night. Bro,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: don't let me be up to fifty on my birthday
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: in Vegas. Be at the fun. I don't know if
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: you know who he is, you know Mickey, Mickey, the
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: dude who'll be rolling around Vegas crazy. That's my Homi.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: He's he's like I learned from him, the real degenerate life.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Like he's he's he's won millions, millions and a weekend stretch.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: There is like real like strategy if you really gamble
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the right way, that all it's luck base, But there
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: is certain things like roulette. There's certain ways you could
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: play exactly where you have like an advantage on the
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: house if you got a big enough bank roll. That's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the only the only advantage you have really in gambling.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: You just have to have the bankroll, you know, don't
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: try to to be able to back your losses. Yeah, exactly.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So if you play, you playlet. Yeah. So have you
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: ever done the strategy where you bet two thirds at once? So, yeah,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the second, third, third, third, first second. Yeah, but on
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the first song that's one of those two hits you're
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: and then if you lose, you triple each time, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: then when you eventually hit, that's like a slow, slow strategy.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: You got to sit there. I like to drink, I
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: like to have you know. When I was living in Vegas, Yeah,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: that's what I would do. I'd go to like Fremont
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Street where it was like it worked out for you mostly. Yeah,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: but I'd be there for like five or six hours
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and be up like four hundred bucks. But for me
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: at the time, I was messing year. It's yeah, it's
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: it's all relative. But Roulette's fun. I like to bet
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: on the numbers because when that shit hits you just
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: get high. You're like, no, that's the dopamine hit of
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: winning in gam is like nothing else. Yeah, and that's
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: why it's a problem. Like when I watch sports and
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I have a bunch of money going on a fucking
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: game and it's close and I win, bro, it's like
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I have thirty orgasms. Yeah, no, for real, that's what.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: But that's why when I problem, that's why it's addicting.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking sick. Oh, I've been there. I've been there. Yeah, stumbach.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: So my worst gambling stretches always had to do with sports,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: and it was always sports betting from my house. Yeah,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I've had some rough run when I gamble, man, I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: really like to just have fun. If I'm there stressing
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, it usually never works out for me.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of a waste when you lose, because
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: it's like, damn, you didn't. So if you were up
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: to fifty in a night, the biggest worst night that
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: you've walked away, noise, nothing, nothing bad because I don't
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not like doing anything crazy. Maybe you know ten
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: twenty thirty, I like that, but you know, everything, it
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: kind of all even I'd probably be divorced. Yeah, i'd
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: be like, sorry, shit's uh, you know, I don't know
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: what happened. I was James Harden fucked up. Blaming on
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the players. It's literally all I could do, right because
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I lost like fifteen Christmas Week ones. Oh no, Christmas Week,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that's the one. I just blamed it on James Harden
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: because it was his fucking fault. That's the worst Christmas Week.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Fuck James Harden. Yeah, I love Vegas. Man. There's a
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: guy named Mike White from the Jets who fucking started
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a game last year against the Bengals cost me ten bands.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Fuck Mike White too. Yeah, you got sports gamis fun now? Yeah,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just not too not too in the sports. I
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: feel like you have no control. And the other thing, too,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: is like you could also bet on like these like
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: really zany weird like celebrity boxing matches, yeah, which I
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: haven't done yet. I've seen. I have not done that.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: But there's like online sports books that will like take
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: your like blue face fight money or whatever whoever's fighting,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: like yeah, and it's like those I feel like you
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: can kind of figure out, what do you think about
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: tanking Garcia? Oh? Who would win? I like Ryan Garcia. Yeah, school,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I played poker with him before a couple of times. Nice,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I think once something like that. Who would you take?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't I don't know tang Man, but
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's just the beast. Yeah. He's also
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: like the kind of guy that like, I don't know, man,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: some of these boxes he's he's like a fucking he's like,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you know, he might as well be part of y
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Sol the way you'd be fucking acting. I like that ship.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, you gotta chill out. Bro, you're a
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: fucking professional athlete. Dog like that. Can't just be threatening.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: People want to be entertained, man, I like that ship.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dog, they gonna put a rico on you. Bro,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: chill out. Motherfucker's beefing with every rapper alive for I'm like, no,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: why are you beefing with rappers? Yeah? People want to
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: be entertained, man, People like that shit. No, he's dope.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Especially this day and age, you just got to be
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: outlandish crazy. That's why I six ' nine had so
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you know, people want to be entertained. And still to
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: this day, when someone talks about six ' nine, they'll
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: be like Yeah, fucking they might hate him, they might
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• 39:09
  Speaker 1: him all my timeline. He was entertaining why I say
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: this about six ' nine. Well, in general, what you
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: just said, the outlander shit only lasts so long. Oh,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: of course, it's no longevity in that. But at least
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: six ' nine, who was pretty much mastered the Internet
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: at the time, at least he had some good records.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: He did, he had some records that didn't suck. Yeah, yeah,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, Gamo was a joint in the club, Yeah, bangers.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Even the Nikki record was fire like that. Uh what
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: was that shit called Kiki Kiki whatever? The fuck? Y'all know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: he'd be having all these fucking weird ass song games.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: But at least he had some records to kind of
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: back it up. Yeah, but because it wouldn't have worked
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: if he didn't, he's I mean, it would have worked
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: momentarily super a lot more gimmicky though. Yeah, it would
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: have worked in the sense of like Little Pump works,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you know, and I guess they probably had similar careers.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: And by the way, for the second time, and uh,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: fuck Little Pump he put my number up on his
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: fucking story. Fuck him, damn because I was it because
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the J cole thing. Yes, you saw that right? Yeah.
• 40:13
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• 40:16
  Speaker 1: so me and Pump we're cool. Like I've always defended
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: him throughout the years. Yeah, a fucking solid question. Ask.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I figured this kid might have been humbled from the
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: last few years. Let's have like a conversation in which
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: he can actually kind of seem like a dude and
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: not like a fucking clout robot. You know that was wrong? Yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: hey man, some but sometimes I on that kind of subject,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: like some people don't want to kind of admitt kind
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: of like where they're at. You know, well, dude, like
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: that's the thing is, like you don't really participate in
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of that, and you're you have a track
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: record of like like, dude, you've made more money off
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: of rap music than ninety percent of your peers and
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: it's not even close. Fuck, these motherfuckers aren't getting woralty check.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: It don't seem like it though. No, but they're not
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: getting royalty checks. Nobody's getting royalty checks. They're fucking getting
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: their advance and then they're parlaying that into show money
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck, but motherfuckers ain't getting woralty checks, right,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: like Meek Mill. I think he just said his whole
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: career on Atlantic. I think he said, yeah, I've seen that.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: It was like a wildly low amount of money for
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: as many records, like a million dollars or something something crazy.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I said. He asked how much Going Bad made at
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: like twenty five million. He's like, how much did I
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: make off that song? No one told him anything. I'm like, man,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: so that's the problem, though, Like, that's those are the
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: that's label issues, right, but stay away. But this is
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: the thing, right, Like it's a gamble because you could
• 41:46
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• 41:49
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• 41:52
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• 41:54
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the interview exactly. And that's how
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  Speaker 1: people think sometimes. I think Bettle Pump did that. He
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  Speaker 1: got a bag, and good for him. You gotta bet
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: on yourself. And when you're an artist and if it
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  Speaker 1: happens quick, then I get it. But if you're if
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  Speaker 1: yourself and fucking don't take that quick money that you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: instant gratification, build it up, keep going. It might take
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: five years, but where you're gonna be like like rest
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: these days, who like kind of like pamped the label
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: for two albums and then got the fuck out and
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: stillings his masters and now he's you know, like he
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: just ops a song every week or every two weeks.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: It's like you just do what you want, you feed
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: your fans. Yeah, and that's a that's another thing. But
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: it's also aside from the label thing, it's not following
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the trends, you know. And I don't think I don't
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: think he followed like super trendy, like what was going
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: on in the music when like when Pump was hot,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Like you know, there was a lot of people trying
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: to do that, you know, coloring their dreads doing all that.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Pump was like, he's like the he's like the Cloud era,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: like mascot for sure, But everybody followed his whole fucking
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: those three years or every four years we given like
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: six nine low. He followed a lot of like the
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Pump ship even like oh yeah, I mean, I mean
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: fucking shock, you know what I'm saying. Shot shot, Yeah, value,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: there was the fuck I'm not even gonna say to
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: do his name because I was dming with him Chief.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: He set the tone for a lot of ship too.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: There's there's there's a bunch of people, the Clone guy,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: what's his fucking name? I was just dming with him
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: because he's mad that I forgot his fucking name. Clone
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: kid Boo, kid Boo, Yeah, shots kid Boo. I'm having
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: on the pop. I guess we're gonna a really honest
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: conversation about his whole fucking thing. But that was, like, yeah,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: an egregious era of music. Oh, it was all it was.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I think they call it the SoundCloud era. SoundCloud. I
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: want to say Supreme pat everything was Supreme Patty got
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: a record deal. I think he did know Supreme Patty.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Supreme Patty the lemon juice in his eyes got put
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: out a record that was produced by Scott storchro Wow,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: shout out Scott, that's my guy. Get the bag. Yeah,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure somebody gave him a deal. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to speculate on which company it was, but
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: let's just say it's a number. The company is named
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: after a number. I'm pretty sure they gave him a bag.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I might be wrong, but the fact that and Supreme
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Patty is a nice kid. But the fact those kind
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: of people are getting record deals in the cloud era,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: let me let me let me say this man, the industry,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: these labels, it's it's like at first, it was like embarrassing,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: but they tried to hide it. Now they just don't
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: have any pride, Like they're like, fuck it, we're already embarrassed.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: They just did the fake crypto rapper. Yeah, they're like,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: we're already fucking losing. We're just gonna fucking go all out.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: You know how when someone just gets super desperate to
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: fucking just start doing ship and they're fucking you're just like, dude,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: you don't have no fucking shame. I feel like right now,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: that's where we're at with fucking labels. They're just like, Oh,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: he has a fucking hot TikTok five second slippe, like
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: we need him, we need him. It's just it's embarrassing
• 46:25
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• 46:29
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• 46:32
  Speaker 1: name of that fucking you know what I'm talking about?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: There was like this meta rapper who was like a
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: oh my bad, so what I'm but it was like
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: a fake rapper right that they made on the metaverse
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: and fn Mecca right, so that dude, well, it's not
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: a dude. It's a fucking like an avatar that was
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: like saying the N word in its music and like
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I never heard it. I'm I'm surprised I never heard
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: of bro. It was all over the place for about
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: two weeks, but so so Capital announced that they signed
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: the first ever AI rapper, right. But then once you
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: dive into it, you're like, oh, this is just kind
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: of like a lot of black stereotypes. And the people
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: behind it, from what I understand, you would know more
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: than me because she worked with I'm not sure that
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: the person who created it was black. Am I tripping
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the guy behind the exactly right, right, So it was
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: almost like the Milli Vanilli thing, but with like a cartoon, right,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and it was just like it was the cringiest ship
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I seen what I think. What I think is labels
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and all these things they want like instant gratification kind
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: of thing, like they don't value longevity anymore. They don't
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: value good music or just artist development, yeah, or artists development.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: But then I get it, because so much shit's going on,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: they just want to grab, you know, grab whatever's coming
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: to the numbers game. Man, I'll sign a fifty acts
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: and hope one of them becomes a weekend Yeah, But
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the independent artists like me and and you know all
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: these other artists that are doing it. The right way.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: We're we're playing the real numbers game. We're trying to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: make We're trying to be here for twenty years. What's
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: your distro is? Are you doing like distro caunidation? Oh
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: you do for Shout out my guy Lee. Yeah, shout
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: out Lee Lee. When I was when I was on
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: when I was on Warner, Lee was the radio guy
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: at Warner, of course he was. Yeah, shouts to Lee.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: He just announced today he's got he's got a big,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: big thing coming. Shout out to my guy Lee. What
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: is he doing? What is he doing? He just left?
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, he announced that today. So he's going to Uh, well,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I can't say he's going. Yeah, my distribution Foundation is done.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I want to say more for me than any well
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: then Warner than you know, and Warner had my masters
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: and now I'm just doing Lease great guy man. Yeah.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Foundation is a great company. Yeah, amazing. And the one
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: thing about Foundations, you could just call Lee and be like, Ao,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: what I'm trying to drop some ship tomorrow, and who's good.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Let me call the stories. We'll figure it out. Yeah,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: let's do it. Shout out to Hey, that's dope. I
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: didn't know you were on the Foundation. That makes sense though. Yeah,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I've been with them for about two years. I did
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: my last project with them too, it makes sense, and
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: that last project was did Numbers Bro. You were on
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: hell A Playlist and that's in Foundation helped with that.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Feel like a couple of years ago you were. I
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: felt like I was like Forest kind of hanging out
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: with some of these industrydutions a little. I gotta try
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: to pull them back in a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I almost got pulled back into I was like, oh,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: there were certain people mentioning you to me that. I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you like seven figure deals on the table.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I bet you did. I might need this right now,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: like I bet you did. But when it comes to
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: building catalog, you gotta really, you gotta you got to
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: bite the bullet and think long term, right, you know,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: especially for me. For me, if I if I only
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: made music for two years and I have a seven
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: figure deal on the table, I'm like, let me take it,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: you know. But now I'm kind of like, man, I've
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: had this seven figure deal to that include your independent catalog. No, okay,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: well then that's that's different because you know a lot
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: of that's what they're doing now. They're like, we want
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: to roll up your whole ship. Everyone wants catalogs now,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: everyone for sure. But but yeah, I was like, I
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: have songs that are already making second seven figures. I
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: have songs that are you know, not albums, just singles
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: that already did seven figures. Like I just need to
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: push another one or two of those out. I don't
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: need to sign for four albums, sign for three albums
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: with you for saying like you have like a lot
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: of dude, I mean fucking you got songs with people
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: that the fact that you were able to have a
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Kailani and Janet feature on an independent project and like,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you know, that's a big deal man. That says a
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: lot about your relationships that you built over the years. Yeah,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: and it takes, it takes grind, it takes hard working,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: especially artists of that statue. Well, those are also the
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: type of artists that have high artistic integrities going to
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: don't want to work with someone and you can make
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: the greatest music, but they don't want to work with
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: you if you have any you know, they also like
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: art the time. I'm assuming like you just can't pay
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: for like features from some of these artists oh no,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: you know, they gotta love this song, got to be great.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: It has to be something that's like, yeah, I'm gonna
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: do it. And most of the time, you know, those
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: are artists that will really just get in there and
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: just do it and create because they love music. It's
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: way I'm in. It's weird because I'm in both industries.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm in the R and B and I'm
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: in the rap, and I see the difference. I feel
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: like the R and B side they really appreciate music
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: a lot more and they're less of like trying to
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: bang out a bunch of songs and just get in
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: the studio and I'll put the shit out. There's a
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: lot more integrity behind it, you know. In the rap world,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: it's a little more aggressive, like fuck it, We'll just
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: do this shit. It's a lot it's a lot more
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: like fake and toxic and twisted for sure. Well, I mean,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: like I think like you. I mean, nowadays, you know,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: guys like Road Waiver considered hip hop. I mean I'm sure,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: like sure he's got like you know, but it's like
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: you guys are and be hippy. You guys are really
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: just doing like kind of like your own thing, Like
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like when like people would consider
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: post Malone a rapper, I'd get like sick when I
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: would hear that out loud. I'm like, he's just an artist. Yeah,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: he's an artist, dude, Like you're one of the to me,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: you're an artist, like you could rap, you could do
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: this seeing melodic ship, but you're like an artist. Yeah
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So but you know, but
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: there's those worlds like rap world, where it's like like
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: these are rappers, Like Doja Cat is a rapper technically
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: she raps. She's also like too though, yeah she's a
• 52:30
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• 52:33
  Speaker 1: see like, yo, she's the hardest female rapper, I'm like,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: but then you'll get really look at her in that lens. Yeah. Yeah,
• 52:39
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• 52:41
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• 52:44
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• 52:46
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• 52:48
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• 52:50
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• 52:52
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• 52:57
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• 52:59
  Speaker 1: It's like like Underground but not underground. Yeah right, it's
• 53:02
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• 53:05
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  Speaker 1: So the album is out, not a lot of features you,
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  Speaker 1: No Sky and garyn Yeah, Garan Sky my girl she
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  Speaker 1: did amazing. That's your girl, that's her girl. Yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: in the studio vibing or artists first, did you like
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  Speaker 1: say hey try this? Yeah? No, she she she showed
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  Speaker 1: me stuff like when we met. She showed me, like,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: you know, singing stuff, and I was like, wow, like
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: you're really good. She's like like I just did a
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• 55:39
  Speaker 1: good about. We just kind of put together like that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, she's she's amazing and talented, and yeah, I
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: don't want to make it work. Man, if you put
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: her on your album, I know, right, that's what One
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: of the songs with her goes like double platinum, right,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: and then you have to perform it and you guys
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: break up. Like, I feel so bad for our good
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: friend Gezy because I me, man, that's my god, not
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: me myself, and I the fucking him and I and
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: that record is a smash. He has to perform the song,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: but it's him and his axe talking about each other.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: But you know record, I think, I think, and this
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: is kind of how I see it too, like like
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: once again, like whatever happens happens, and life can lead
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: you in a million different ways. But I've seen him.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I've seen him perform it without her after the whole
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: thing too. And and I think, you know, as when
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: you grow, when you get older as adults, you kind
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: of just accept certain things and you realize, like, you
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: know what, this was a beautiful thing at the time.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: This was a beautiful moment at the time, and I'm
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: still going to respect that instead of letting that eat
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: away at me or become bitter about it. What was
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: it like touring with him? Oh, man maniac ship Right, Yeah,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: let's let's just say it was fun. They set up
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: like the little pre party and after party, little section
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: still house. Yeah, Vibes. Trippy was on that tour too
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: with us Me Me Gazy and Trippy. Yeah, We're had
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: it a lot of real debauch. Yeah, yeah, I think
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I might have signed a contract. I cannot say. I
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: can't say anything. I didn't sign ship, but some of
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: the fast nights of my life for that crazy white man. Yeah,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: it was fun. Man. Jeez is an amazing dude. Man,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Tippy has fucking seen a lot of success bringing that
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: fucking Cinnamon Apple, fucking Still House House and the Mint Stillhouse.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: By the way, he's not with Steel House anymore from
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: what I hear from what he told me actually, so
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, Well look, man, I appreciate you pulling up
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Go Sport the new album Butterfly Effect. It's out, yes, sir,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: more than music on the way anything else. Is the
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: clothing line still booming obviously, Yeah, man, we're re rebranding
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: the clothing line. I had some I just had some
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: internal kind of things, conflicts and stuff like that where
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: I had with you know, people I trusted and people
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: that didn't really you know, suit what I was going
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: through and you know, my views on things. But I
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: stepped I had to step in and kind of control
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: everything and rebuild it the way I wanted it to be.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: But just so much shit. I spent so much time
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: on the brand, and I think, uh yeah, just bringing
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: in people that you know, weren't really good for me
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and you know, being able to trust people.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: I trusted people that maybe I shouldn't have or put
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: too much trust into people. I'm gonna be honest, bro,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I've met two or three random dudes that they were
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: your manager of the last like three years for sure,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know, I don't know if
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: I'm the problem. I don't know if like very random dudes, yeah,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: R'd be like, oh yeah, that's the homie hit me yeah,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: and then I give them my number and then they
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: just keep hitting me on some like hey, yo, it's
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: for as manager. And I'm like, bro, the industry, I mean,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: you know, but it's it's crazy. You just got to
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: be careful. We keep around you, bro, right. And I'm
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: learning that because I usually because I move with good
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: intentions and I expect the same of others and I
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: think the same of others. But it's not always like that.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: You know how many people have like for or Yours
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Truly tattoos? Too many? We're looking at pictures the other
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: day it's straight like my face, you know, my whole
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: like from Upper Torso just tattooed, Like it's crazy. It's crazy.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: The Yours Truly logo too, like it's it's insane, man.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Every time I see it. If someone gets your face
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: tattooed on them, is there a benefit that comes? That's
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: that's a good question. I mean, you're not a direct benefit,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: but if I see it, I'm just like, I'm gonna
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: remember them forever, right, you know, if I like to
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: get into the show, not like that. If you know,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: and even people that don't have you know, my face
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: or my name tattooed, like I connect with my fans
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: group chats, you know, Instagram. If someone's like, yo, I
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: got your name tattooed. Me and my sister and me
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: and my cousin want to get in, Like, I'm like, yo,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I'll put you on the guest list easier. I want
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: everyone at my shows. I don't. I'm not like, oh,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: fucking you have to pay the fifteen. If it gets
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: out of hand and you end up like you know,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: like Tech nine and Strange Music, where like all their
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: fans have like some sort of tattoo, You're not fucking
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: making any money on the road. But that's where you
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: want to get man, because it's not about ticket sales
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: or album sales. It's about people. You want to touch
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: the people yeah, and that someone tattooed forever. You know,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: they're they're a fan of you forever, you know. Yeah,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I've seen that work the bad way too, with ICP tattoos.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the hatchet Man. Yeah, they're crazy. Yeah, Juggalo
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Juggolo vibes. Yeah, there's like fifty year old dudes teaching
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: fucking seventh grade that were ex Juggalos. Nice and they'll
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: never be able to get rid of it. I have
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: you've been to the Gathering of the Juggalos. I actually was.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: I've never been, but they tried to book me to
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: do something there in like twenty fifteen, and I was like,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: once you go Juggalo, you never go. Yeah, I want
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: to go. I would love to. I think they get
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: a I think they get a bad, bad rap because
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I think they're really like good people. I've seen a
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: lot of like videos and stuff on like Gathering of
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: the Juggalos, and they're really their whole model and their
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: whole thing is like family for sure, you know. And
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I love that it's like a cult kind of thing.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: And it looks fun. Yeah, it looks like white Latino.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: There's a fun hut there. Yeah, it's crazy and people
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: it's like a it's an open, free environment. There's a
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: drug bridge. Have you heard about the drug bridge? No,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: but so they got a bridge, sounds like, and you
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: go to the bridge. Yeah, and it's anything you want, man,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: but it's I I gotta give my respects to those
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: people because for sure, for sure, you know, shout out
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: to the Juggalos. I'm for Phoenix. We got none but
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Juggalos there, but they got it. I heard. I mean,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: this is my boy, jelly Roll told me. Jelly rolls
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: like jelly Roll. Yeah, He's like, bro, they got a
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: fucking tent there. That's just you just go in and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: everyone's fucking and he's like, bro, but it's like the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: type of people you don't want to see fucking He's like, bro,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: they look like me, broy, Man, everyone needs someone. The
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  Speaker 1: stench in that motherfucker is crazy. Everyone needs someone. Can
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  Speaker 1: you imagine? Like Juggalos don't have the highest personal hygiene.
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  Speaker 1: Based on my experience with them over the years, and
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  Speaker 1: I've had vast experience with them, I've been to some
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  Speaker 1: ICP shows that whole c P, cotton Mouth Kings, Strange Music,
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  Speaker 1: fucking yeah, yeah, shout out. There were guys yeah, good people.
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  Speaker 1: They just misunderstood. Let's call them misunderstood. Did you grow
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  Speaker 1: up like you grew up in Cali? Where the cotton
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  Speaker 1: Mouth Kings popping? I mean, I don't know. They might
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  Speaker 1: have been done from Anaheim. They're from Riverside? Are they from?
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  Speaker 1: They were OC guys. I mean maybe some might have
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  Speaker 1: came from OC. But I think there's seven then, I E.
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  Speaker 1: Thing the hot, the high white socks, a little spade socks,
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  Speaker 1: and the big monster trucks. Cotton Mouth Kings. Yeah that's
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  Speaker 1: r H. Yeah, stoner's weak ston it Yeah, yeah, look
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  Speaker 1: at us all right, shout out to the I E.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I man. Appreciate you pulling up, brother, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: sir fire