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Speaker 1: We'd like to thank you're Roll Pharma for sponsoring this episode.
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Speaker 2: You are listening to the global network of podcasters dedicated
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Speaker 2: to the pharmacy profession. Welcome to the Pharmacy Podcast Network.
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Speaker 1: Pharmacists from across the nation have come together to redefine
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Speaker 1: the possibilities of what pharmacists can do together. The American
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Speaker 1: Pharmacists Association's twenty twenty six Annual Conference was hosted in
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, California, where pharmacy, advocacy and advancing technologies brought
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Speaker 1: together key industry leaders. The Pharmacy Podcast Network brings you
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Speaker 1: into the conversation with this special three part series of
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Speaker 1: the APHA Annual Conference post show.
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Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Jeff Gonzalez, Pharmacists with Trinity Alfpin Atlantic and
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Speaker 3: this is the Pharmacy Podcast.
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Speaker 4: Jeffrey, Welcome to the coverage of the twenty twenty six
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Speaker 4: APHA here in Los Angeles. It's so good to have you.
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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. This is an awesome opportunity.
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Speaker 4: It is an awesome opportunity for us. We learn so
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Speaker 4: much from interviewing people at the conferences because I get
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Speaker 4: a cornucopia of different views and things that are happening.
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Speaker 4: So right out of the gate, what do you think
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Speaker 4: the most important thing as a takeaway of the APHA
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six for listeners that might not have been
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Speaker 4: able to attend, what's one of the most important things
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Speaker 4: that came to light when you've been here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that's a great question. One of
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Speaker 3: the things that I realize is that we are in
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Speaker 3: this time of transition with the profession and there's so
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Speaker 3: many different moving parts. And it was very refreshing this
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Speaker 3: morning to be at the general session and the theme
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Speaker 3: that that I took away from that and the theme
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Speaker 3: of the conference is redefining what's possible. What I'm realizing
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Speaker 3: looking back. So I started in pharmacy in two thousand
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Speaker 3: and three as a technician, and what I'm realizing is
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Speaker 3: that the procession has changed so much, Like I'm in
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Speaker 3: a job now where that didn't exist back and it
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Speaker 3: you know, we don't know what the next three, five,
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Speaker 3: ten years will hold, so there's so much opportunity there.
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Speaker 3: It's just what really is the limiting factors your imagination
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Speaker 3: And that's really what I'm taking away from this conference
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Speaker 3: is don't hold back and don't hold yourself back, don't
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Speaker 3: create these artificial barriers, like if you can dream it
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Speaker 3: and you have the willpower, you can achieve it.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely. There are digital platforms that have been created by
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Speaker 4: pharmacists that are now businesses that came from the imagination
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Speaker 4: of what pharmacists have done. Programs like ox and our
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Speaker 4: ex post and different technology platform AI has gone crazy
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Speaker 4: with pharmacists dialing into how they actually use the systems
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Speaker 4: to save time so they can be spending more time
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Speaker 4: with patients. When it does come to AI, what excites you?
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Speaker 4: What have you seen actually leveraged and in practice where
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Speaker 4: AI is part of the solution as a tool for
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Speaker 4: our pharmacists.
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Speaker 5: That AI is amazing.
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Speaker 3: What I'm seeing currently within our practices is the use
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Speaker 3: of ambient AI to help with documentation, which is cutting
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Speaker 3: back on the need for our pharmacists and our primary
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Speaker 3: care providers to you know, spend that end of the visit,
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Speaker 3: you know, just typing and typing and typing, you know,
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Speaker 3: they can focus more on patient care. I think that
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Speaker 3: what excites me is that there there's a ton of
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Speaker 3: data out there, and for me, data always tells you
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Speaker 3: a story. We as humans, I think they're stories that
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Speaker 3: we can't conceptualize because we just don't know how to
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Speaker 3: get the data to tell us what's the story.
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Speaker 5: That it's telling.
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Speaker 3: So and I think AI will enable that just being
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Speaker 3: able to utilize it so to analyze the tremendous amounts
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Speaker 3: of data that exist within you know, an electronic health record. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I'm very excited to see what you know, what that happens,
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Speaker 3: and and and to get inferences from that data where
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Speaker 3: instead of being more reactive to disease states, being more preventative,
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Speaker 3: skating more to where the puck is going to be
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Speaker 3: rather than where it was.
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Speaker 4: That's a really good point, and I agree with you.
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Speaker 4: I've seen AI give our pharmacist organizational reference to large
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Speaker 4: groups of population health level of information on one disease state,
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Speaker 4: and now it's giving them a reference to what the
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Speaker 4: patient might experience on that specific drug. And I think,
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Speaker 4: like I think of being able to be a specially
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Speaker 4: rare disease pharmacists and telling someone that's going to start
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Speaker 4: a therapy, hey, listen, right around your tenth day, you're
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Speaker 4: going to have nausea. Who you know might come up. Well,
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Speaker 4: if I'm prefacing what my patient's going to go through,
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Speaker 4: there's less fear and there's less there's less mystery, and
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Speaker 4: then the pharmacist gets to demystify and put things into
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Speaker 4: perspective and there's there and lies why pharmacists, in my opinion,
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Speaker 4: are so trusted. But I think in the hands of
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Speaker 4: the pharmacists that are very consultative like that, AI is
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Speaker 4: going to be so powerful to be able to reference
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Speaker 4: stuff like that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, It's it's an exciting time for for healthcare.
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Speaker 5: And I was.
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Speaker 3: I was excited when I became a pharmacist and and
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Speaker 3: and you know, remain engaged in the you know, in
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Speaker 3: the profession. But the amount of change that I think
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Speaker 3: is going to happen in a very short period of
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Speaker 3: time is uh. I think it's breathtaking, and I think
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Speaker 3: it's going to be for the better.
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Speaker 6: I do.
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Speaker 4: I'm a half glass full kind of guy too, And
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Speaker 4: I know that there's lots of struggles, there's lots of
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Speaker 4: pbum reform that has to take place. We know we're
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Speaker 4: going to have shifting in what positions our technicians are
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Speaker 4: playing and how a pharmacists are being utilized. But when
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Speaker 4: it all shakes and bakes and it brings out, I
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Speaker 4: think we're going to be in a new age of pharmacy,
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Speaker 4: and I think that we're on an age of like
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Speaker 4: you said, it's the lack it's your lack of imagination
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Speaker 4: of where you can go with your farm day.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
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Speaker 3: I mean if you would have told me, if you
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Speaker 3: would have told Jeff back in two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 3: that he would be at a conference like this, and
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Speaker 3: I mean full transparency.
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Speaker 5: I haven't dispensed a drug in eight years. You know,
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Speaker 5: my job.
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Speaker 3: I'm working side by side with our providers to ensure
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Speaker 3: that we're taking the best care possible for our patients.
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Speaker 3: If you would have said that, I would be making
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Speaker 3: my bones away from dispensing a product. I would have
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Speaker 3: been like, how, you're out of your mind. But here
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Speaker 3: we are in twenty you know, twenty twenty six, and
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Speaker 3: pharmacists are doing just that, you know, and we're on
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Speaker 3: the front lines where we're helping.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 3: Not that long ago, we were a major force and
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Speaker 3: getting you know, writing the ship for the pandemic, you know,
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Speaker 3: with the mass vaccinations that we we we helped with
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Speaker 3: you know, with the United with people within the United States.
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Speaker 3: It's yeah, we we're only limited by the power of
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Speaker 3: our imagination and our willpower.
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Speaker 5: We are in. We are constantly redefining what's possible.
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Speaker 4: That is a great plug for the twenty twenty six
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Speaker 4: a PHA here. That's the the whole theme of this
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Speaker 4: year's conference here in Los Angeles. Thank you so much
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Speaker 4: for being part of the show.
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Speaker 5: Thank you for the opportunity. This is great.
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Speaker 7: Marie Shaw, Shane Jerminsky, Todd Uri, Todd Father.
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Speaker 4: The aph A twenty twenty six. It's so good to
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Speaker 4: have you on the show. How are you, guys, Thanks.
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Speaker 8: For having us. We're good, long, long days, but hopefully
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Speaker 8: we're making a change, making the profession better.
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Speaker 5: So you are all about.
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Speaker 4: People are excited to see you here. There's energy that
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Speaker 4: you've driven through all of the activity, the numerous of hours,
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Speaker 4: years and years of content that you both developed, and
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Speaker 4: then the merging of you together. And then now when
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Speaker 4: you show up when I'm always saying from a sales
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Speaker 4: and marketing perspective, when you do online content good content,
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Speaker 4: and then you turn around and you show up somewhere,
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Speaker 4: it really gels things and it helps people to kind
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Speaker 4: of layer up on what you stand for and what
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Speaker 4: you're about. And people don't really understand, so you being
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Speaker 4: at APHA is very important and just tell our listeners
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Speaker 4: why you guys are here and what you guys do.
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Speaker 7: Sure, well, you're absolutely right about that. It's different when
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Speaker 7: people see you online and creating this content, but then
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Speaker 7: when you show up at APHA or any of these meetings,
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Speaker 7: it makes you a real person and the people that
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Speaker 7: have been following you for years actually do genuinely get
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Speaker 7: excited to see you because our profession is so difficult,
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Speaker 7: regardless of what practice setting you're in, and we provide
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Speaker 7: the comic relief as well as the advocacy work, and
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Speaker 7: we tied that in together on social media, and we
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Speaker 7: come to places like this to let students pharmacists in
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Speaker 7: every practice setting know that we're here to support them
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Speaker 7: and that jokes aside. We're trying to change the profession.
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Speaker 8: Yes, we just want to see the profession improve. Like, yes,
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Speaker 8: our focus is safe staffing and unionizing pharmacies for better
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Speaker 8: working conditions. But we sat and talked about PBM reform
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Speaker 8: provider status. We support the residents. I did a residency,
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Speaker 8: so I go to the post of presentation. So yes,
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Speaker 8: we have a primary focus, but we just want to
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Speaker 8: see the profession of pharmacy improve and coming to APHA
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Speaker 8: is one of the ways that we could show support
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Speaker 8: not only for what we're doing, but what other people
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Speaker 8: are doing to improve the profession.
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Speaker 7: What I would say is that it's important for us
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Speaker 7: to show up and learn things that we don't necessarily
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Speaker 7: focus on. Maurice is absolutely correct, ours is working conditions
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Speaker 7: and unionizing. But what we've done here, like the only
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Speaker 7: CE that we went to was Benjamin Jolly session on
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Speaker 7: PBM on all the things that are happening with PBM
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Speaker 7: reform and the various states, and it was great because
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Speaker 7: that's one of the things that was lacking in our
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Speaker 7: knowledge base. So now when people reach out to us
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Speaker 7: because our ex Comedy and the Accidental Pharmacists have become
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Speaker 7: places where pharmacists convene online to discuss issues affecting the profession,
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Speaker 7: and they expect us to be the subject matter experts,
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Speaker 7: and a lot of times I'll tell them I'm not,
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Speaker 7: but I have connections because of places like this and
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Speaker 7: the relationships we've built so that we can channel them to.
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Speaker 7: If you want to know about PBM reform, if you
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Speaker 7: want to know about specialty pharmacy, we can tell you
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Speaker 7: where to go and get that information. And that's what
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Speaker 7: I'm so glad that, along with doing stand up comedy
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Speaker 7: and all the crazy stuff that I get to do,
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Speaker 7: we get to really affect change in the profession. That's
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Speaker 7: the amazing thing about this, and that's why I'm so
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Speaker 7: glad to be at APHA. And I would like to
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Speaker 7: inspire all of those pharmacists out there that might be
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Speaker 7: a little bit disenfranchised about big organizations like APHA or
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Speaker 7: pick your alphabet soup of all different ones here. They
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Speaker 7: need to be in these rooms and have these conversations
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Speaker 7: so that we can change. Even if you are a
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Speaker 7: pharmacist at a Walgreens or a CBS or anywhere, you
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Speaker 7: don't think the conversations that are happening here matter to you,
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Speaker 7: I promise you they do.
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Speaker 4: They do. They very much do. And you keep bringing
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Speaker 4: more and more transparency to different subjects, and you're doing
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Speaker 4: it with authenticity, and you're doing it where you look
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Speaker 4: at the camera as you're sitting in your car before
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Speaker 4: you go on the shift, and you're doing it with
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Speaker 4: sincerity that you're like, Hey, maybe I don't have all
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Speaker 4: the answers, but here's what I'm feeling today that goes
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Speaker 4: a long way. And that's why the Chaine specifically you
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Speaker 4: not that Maurice doesn't that you're a little bit more.
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Speaker 4: You bring more laughter in some ways and some of
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Speaker 4: the content. But when you're sitting in the car and
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Speaker 4: you're giving a frustration talk before you go to on
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Speaker 4: a shift, people are that's resonating. That's something that people
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Speaker 4: are feeling as they're watching the video that I'm going
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Speaker 4: through that and I think that that that's why you've
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Speaker 4: made such an impact on the profession as you've done
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Speaker 4: it through sincerity, and you've done it because you've met
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Speaker 4: the listener, you've met the follower where they are, and
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Speaker 4: then you're turning it around and then now you're able
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Speaker 4: to educate. And it's taken a long time. How long
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Speaker 4: has the occidental Pharmacist been out?
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Speaker 7: So the Accidental Pharmacist page has been in existence since
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Speaker 7: I started at CBS. While I was Target, back before
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Speaker 7: CBS came in and ruined the best job you could
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Speaker 7: possibly have anywhere in pharmacy. Target was the unicorn. People
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Speaker 7: talk about Costco pharmacists as being the you know, the
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Speaker 7: Cadillac of pharmacy retail jobs. Target was the best place ever,
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Speaker 7: and CBS came in and changed the culture, and of
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Speaker 7: course did that. But I had the page in existence
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Speaker 7: for about ten years now, but it's grown because of
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Speaker 7: different things. People have been following for a really long time.
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Speaker 7: But Kansas City walkouts it was really the launch point
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Speaker 7: of the advocacy work. Like I always talked about bettering
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Speaker 7: the profession, but it really was one of those things
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Speaker 7: where we could seize the moment we wanted to start
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Speaker 7: a union. But let me tell you from my experience
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Speaker 7: now since the Kansas City walkouts, we never would have
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Speaker 7: been able to do it if we didn't have the
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Speaker 7: backing of an established union like the International Association of
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Speaker 7: Machinists and Aerospace Workers, who put tons of resources to
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Speaker 7: help us battle the giants of this industry. And that
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Speaker 7: was really the key. They saw, these are a couple
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Speaker 7: guys that are telling jokes online and talking about pharmacy stuff.
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Speaker 7: But all of a sudden, I found myself on television
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Speaker 7: next to Neil Cavudo on Fox Business and CNBC, and
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Speaker 7: I said, that's when I am stepped in and said,
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Speaker 7: we want to help you change the pharmacy profession by
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Speaker 7: fixing working condition through collective bargaining.
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Speaker 4: So to give our listeners an update, let's talk about
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Speaker 4: Pharmacy Guild for a second. Can you give us a
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Speaker 4: state of the nation where we're at with Pharmacy Guild now?
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Speaker 7: Sure. So, we've had pharmacists and technicians reach out in
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Speaker 7: every state in all fifty states. We have active campaigns
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Speaker 7: in multiple states. We're currently bargaining contracts in Washington State
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Speaker 7: with Savon. We're bargaining a large contract with all the
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Speaker 7: technicians at CBS Specialty Site in Redlands, California. We can
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Speaker 7: and five CVS standalone stores, some of the busiest CVS
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Speaker 7: is in the country in CBS's headquarters backyard in Rhode Island.
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Speaker 7: We have the resources thanks to IM and IM Healthcare.
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Speaker 7: We have the resources to go into a tiny store
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Speaker 7: that has three technicians and two pharmacists and unionize it.
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Speaker 7: We also have the resources and capacity to unionize a
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Speaker 7: facility with five hundred people at it. IAM Healthcare just
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Speaker 7: unionized Wexner Medical Center in Ohio. So we can do
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Speaker 7: small or large. We have the resources and capacity.
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Speaker 5: To do that.
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Speaker 7: Pharmacists asked for this to happen. I know they're afraid
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Speaker 7: in some places because it's a very lengthy process to
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Speaker 7: get to that first contract, but I'm very excited. I've
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Speaker 7: been actively involved with Redlands because it's close to my
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Speaker 7: home and I don't have to travel as much. I
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Speaker 7: fly when I have to when Maurice makes me get
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Speaker 7: on a plane to go do a show somewhere, but
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Speaker 7: if I can drive there, I'm getting in the Bobby
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Speaker 7: car and I'm heading over. But so Redlands are is
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Speaker 7: very close to their first contract, and I'm so excited
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Speaker 7: for those people that trust entrusted me. Some of them
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Speaker 7: are going to get multiple dollars an hour raises on
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Speaker 7: that first contract and can look forward to incremental raises
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Speaker 7: for the next three years in the life of that contract,
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Speaker 7: and the next one will be even stronger.
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Speaker 4: That's awesome, Marius. What have you learned through this whole
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Speaker 4: process and merging the social media influence you have with
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Speaker 4: actually making needles move in the realm of the business
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Speaker 4: of pharmacy and protections for our pharmacists and our techs
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Speaker 4: and everything that you've learned through this process.
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Speaker 5: I've learned, and that.
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Speaker 8: Especially coming to APHA, the impact that unionizing has had
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Speaker 8: on the profession, not just in the retail setting. I
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Speaker 8: was talking to somebody today from academia. That's you know,
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Speaker 8: a lot of people in academic they worry about their
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Speaker 8: jobs because enrollment keeps decreasing, mainly because one of the
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Speaker 8: cost of pharmacy schools, but two also the terrible working conditions.
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Speaker 8: People don't want to work in retail pharmacy. So by unionizing,
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Speaker 8: they have all come to show support that hopefully we
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Speaker 8: can improve the working conditions. More people will want to
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Speaker 8: go to pharmacy school, which will help people keep their
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Speaker 8: jobs and even create more jobs as more people want
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Speaker 8: to become pharmacists. I have to renew my license in
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Speaker 8: Illinois this year, so I was doing my CES and
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Speaker 8: whatever topic you pick your CE on. The very first
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Speaker 8: paragraph is just about how many people are undiagnosed, how
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Speaker 8: many people are under treated. So there's a need for
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Speaker 8: more pharmacists. It's just the working conditions are terrible. People
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Speaker 8: don't want to become pharmacists anymore because they know of
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Speaker 8: this stick of the working conditions are terrible. So it
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Speaker 8: was just nice to really see that we're making an
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Speaker 8: impact not only in the retail setting, but also in
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Speaker 8: academia as well.
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Speaker 4: That's cool. That's so freaking cool. Shane, can you share
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Speaker 4: the story of what happened here at the conference and
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Speaker 4: kind of some things that you shared on online.
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Speaker 7: I shared a little bit on social media. I can't
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Speaker 7: really go into it. But when you're getting a call
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Speaker 7: after the first night of the opening expo in your
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Speaker 7: phone rings and you look down and it's doctor Michael
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Speaker 7: Hoague's name comes up on your phone, you know you've
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Speaker 7: made some impact here. But we've talked to APHA's management
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Speaker 7: has been really great and supportive, and they do support pharmacists.
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Speaker 7: I want to say that. So, yes, they have to
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Speaker 7: be political, political and a mediator because big events like
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Speaker 7: this require large sponsors. And I am not anti CBS.
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Speaker 7: Look I got a CBS to see that as a
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Speaker 7: scarf right now.
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Speaker 4: I'm not anti CBS either. We're anti bullshit.
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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, we're not anti corporation at all. We want
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Speaker 7: to help them help themselves by treating technicians the right
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Speaker 7: way so they stay in role, so they see a
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Speaker 7: clear career path to be enrolled. Because the only way
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Speaker 7: to change this profession, Tad. The only way to do
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Speaker 7: that is to make sure that you have technicians who
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Speaker 7: are making livable wages, who stay and roll once they
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Speaker 7: have acquired a certain skill set because when they stay enroll,
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Speaker 7: pharmacists are given the opportunity to practice at the top
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Speaker 7: of their license. Every organization, I don't care which one
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Speaker 7: you are, all wants pharmacists to feel fulfilled in their career.
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Speaker 7: That's why so many students are trying to go into
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Speaker 7: doing residencies and working in different places because they want
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Speaker 7: to use what they learned in school. The biggest employer
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Speaker 7: are places like Walgreens and CBS. We can do that
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Speaker 7: job there too, if given the resources and time to
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Speaker 7: do it. And that's what needs to change. So I am,
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Speaker 7: in a roundabout way helping CBS elevate the profession by
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Speaker 7: treating technicians like the key piece of this puzzle.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and getting it out of fast food. Yes, I
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Speaker 4: mean pizza is not working. It's your original way of
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Speaker 4: thinking of Come on, let's raise up. Let's do something
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Speaker 4: that is good for the patient by doing what's good
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Speaker 4: for our employees, what's good for the pharmacists, what's good
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Speaker 4: for the tech to grow their careers in something that
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Speaker 4: they want to be and they don't want to leave,
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Speaker 4: and they're leaving because they're sick of it. They're getting
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Speaker 4: built up and burn out, and it's based on a
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Speaker 4: system that's like churn and burn, churn and burn. It's
19:36
Speaker 4: all about the volume. It's all about the money. And
19:38
Speaker 4: it says like unfortunately, it's where we're at today, and
19:43
Speaker 4: I'm big supporters of you. You're always welcome to use
19:47
Speaker 4: this platform and any of our podcasts at all and
19:52
Speaker 4: everything that you're doing. Talk to us about where you're
19:55
Speaker 4: showing up live in some of the events, because Maurice,
19:58
Speaker 4: I know that you're bolted in to a comedy group
20:01
Speaker 4: that's going kind of on tours, and are you guys
20:04
Speaker 4: showing up together other than I know Apha tonight, Actually
20:08
Speaker 4: you'll be doing a show.
20:10
Speaker 7: Yeah, So we we do tours together here and there.
20:13
Speaker 7: Maurice and I separate from his big tour with lots
20:16
Speaker 7: of first responders and firefighters and all that. So's he's
20:20
Speaker 7: on a healthcare tour called Heroes Off Duty. You guys
20:22
Speaker 7: should check it out. It's he's doing amazing work. He's
20:25
Speaker 7: had viral videos that have reached like fifty million.
20:29
Speaker 5: It's crazy.
20:30
Speaker 8: Interviews are at multiple platforms, probably one hundred and fifty
20:32
Speaker 8: million total, but oh my lords ever a platform, So
20:36
Speaker 8: it's it's exciting, you know. Sometimes when I think back
20:39
Speaker 8: to the origin story of me getting fired from doing
20:42
Speaker 8: comedy into where I'm at now. Sometimes just you know,
20:45
Speaker 8: God allows things to happen how it's opposed to. So
20:48
Speaker 8: it's nice to see like something that I've been working
20:50
Speaker 8: at for years finally come to fruition. So we have
20:55
Speaker 8: a show tonight that I always forget the name of
20:58
Speaker 8: the place. What's the name of the East East Theater?
21:00
Speaker 7: So we have a comedy show together farmagain in two
21:02
Speaker 7: point zero. But we also have done shows in the
21:05
Speaker 7: past in Las Vegas and Niles, Michigan, and we have
21:08
Speaker 7: some planned in the future. Whenever you can get me
21:10
Speaker 7: on an airplane to go places. You guys have your
21:12
Speaker 7: listeners tell us where they want us to show up.
21:15
Speaker 7: If any pharmacy school out there wants us to come,
21:17
Speaker 7: let us know and maybe we can make it happen
21:20
Speaker 7: through the Pharmacy podcast Network.
21:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, we're trying to work on
21:25
Speaker 4: I'm not allowed to say anything yet because it's not official,
21:27
Speaker 4: but we might have one in Kansas City, not quite
21:30
Speaker 4: sure just yet, but when it goes official, we'll be
21:33
Speaker 4: blasting it out there.
21:34
Speaker 7: For shutting me at Kansas City at barbecue.
21:37
Speaker 4: We love you guys, Thank you so much for everything
21:39
Speaker 4: you do. Shout out to the doctor of Comedy and
21:42
Speaker 4: change Airminski and just hats off to making pharmacy great again.
21:48
Speaker 7: Thank you so much. Have a great night and pharmacy.
21:50
Speaker 4: On, Pharmacy on. This is a special APHA because the
21:58
Speaker 4: California Pharmacist Association is having their annual event merged with
22:04
Speaker 4: the APHA and Richard Dang is here. Doctor Dang. It's
22:07
Speaker 4: so good to see you.
22:08
Speaker 5: Hi, Todd's good to see you.
22:09
Speaker 4: How long have you been part of the California Pharmacists Association,
22:13
Speaker 4: because you've been actively involved with this for quite some time.
22:16
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've been involved with CPCHA for longer than I
22:19
Speaker 9: can remember, but I've been on the board for at
22:22
Speaker 9: least five to six years. I was the past speaker,
22:25
Speaker 9: past president, and I've been off the board now, but
22:28
Speaker 9: I am the current chair of the Legislative Committee with CPhA.
22:31
Speaker 4: You were involved even as a student, weren't you. I was, Yes, incredible. See,
22:35
Speaker 4: there's something I want to give a shout out to listeners. Listeners,
22:38
Speaker 4: if you are not supporting either your state associations or
22:42
Speaker 4: your national associations, you're missing out because there's so much
22:46
Speaker 4: education within it for not only your own career, but
22:49
Speaker 4: what you can give back to other people. And I
22:51
Speaker 4: think you've experienced.
22:52
Speaker 9: That absolutely a great opportunity to network and meet others
22:55
Speaker 9: and just learn about different career opportunities and build your
22:58
Speaker 9: own personal kind of branding and leadership skills as well.
23:02
Speaker 9: So it's been a really amazing opportunity. And yeah, just
23:04
Speaker 9: like you mentioned, I've been supported as a student, you know,
23:07
Speaker 9: being involved in associations by other pharmacists, and so really
23:11
Speaker 9: grateful to the mentors that I've had in the process.
23:13
Speaker 4: Richard, Let's talk about standards of care. Let's talk about
23:16
Speaker 4: the importance of some of the things that the California
23:19
Speaker 4: Pharmacistic Association is really working on.
23:22
Speaker 9: Yeah, so last year CPhA supported a bill AB fifteen
23:26
Speaker 9: oh three, which was sponsored by the California Board of Pharmacy,
23:30
Speaker 9: and as a part of that, it was a pretty
23:31
Speaker 9: significant overhaul of the Pharmacy Practice Act in the state,
23:34
Speaker 9: and one of the elements of that was the incorporation
23:37
Speaker 9: of the standard of a care model in the state.
23:40
Speaker 9: And we're seeing a lot of those, a lot of
23:43
Speaker 9: that happening throughout the nation as well, but California being
23:46
Speaker 9: among the i think four or five states now that
23:48
Speaker 9: may have a standard of care kind of framework within
23:50
Speaker 9: pharmacy practice really exciting that California was able to adopt that.
23:54
Speaker 9: And what that really means for us is that we
23:56
Speaker 9: are now moving away from prescriptive and rescriptive regulations and
24:01
Speaker 9: laws that really dictate what pharmacists can and cannot do,
24:05
Speaker 9: which drugs you can furnish, which protocols you have to follow,
24:09
Speaker 9: what training you're required to have, and moving towards a
24:13
Speaker 9: broader framework, which is called the standard a care model
24:16
Speaker 9: that more defers to the clinician's discretion and expertise. And
24:19
Speaker 9: so now instead of saying you can only prescribe or
24:22
Speaker 9: furnish this drug, it's that you can furnish a drug
24:25
Speaker 9: as long as you have the training, education, and competency and.
24:29
Speaker 4: Resources to do so right.
24:31
Speaker 9: And so that's a really big opportunity for us because
24:33
Speaker 9: that really expands what pharmacists can do and we don't
24:36
Speaker 9: have to rely on state protocols or state regulations to
24:40
Speaker 9: be able to be told what we can do. And
24:43
Speaker 9: there's advantages to that because with the state protocol, what
24:46
Speaker 9: we learn is that because it is so prescriptive that
24:50
Speaker 9: there's not a lot of flexibility, and when a new
24:53
Speaker 9: drug comes to market or when a new guideline comes
24:55
Speaker 9: and have different recommendations, we have to spend years working
24:58
Speaker 9: with regulators and to get that changed. Instead of adapting immediately.
25:03
Speaker 9: In the Senator care model will allow pharmacists to adapt
25:06
Speaker 9: immediately to the newest and greatest evidence.
25:09
Speaker 4: If you take what you're building and we have it
25:13
Speaker 4: scripted out, we have the written form, we have even
25:16
Speaker 4: specifics depending on a disease state or whatever. The standards
25:20
Speaker 4: of care is kind of over you. Do you think
25:23
Speaker 4: this will help to calm the scope creep of the
25:29
Speaker 4: AMA that always says and I'm like every time they argue,
25:32
Speaker 4: I'm like, come on, guys, it's not like that. Because
25:35
Speaker 4: pharmacists don't want to be the physician.
25:39
Speaker 9: They want to be a pharmacist, right. We are looking
25:41
Speaker 9: to be members of the team. And even through the
25:43
Speaker 9: center care model, we're not cutting anybody out. We are
25:46
Speaker 9: not overriding any physician orders, we are not cutting out
25:50
Speaker 9: the primary care providers. As a part of the standard
25:52
Speaker 9: of care, that is the expectation of collaboration and so
25:55
Speaker 9: we will still be communicating with the patient's primary care
25:58
Speaker 9: providers to update them on what services being they have
26:02
Speaker 9: been providing. There's also a huge proportion of patients in
26:07
Speaker 9: the state who don't have access to primary care providers
26:10
Speaker 9: and don't have anybody and in some cases especially grow
26:12
Speaker 9: areas that pharmacists may be the only person that they
26:15
Speaker 9: can receive services from exactly exactly.
26:19
Speaker 4: And then I think of things like education from let's say,
26:22
Speaker 4: contraception and pharmacists being able to prescribe something like that.
26:28
Speaker 4: That makes sense when it's the it's not being you
26:32
Speaker 4: can't get an appointment with your physician to go down
26:35
Speaker 4: deep into what's going on, but a pharmacists could communicate
26:39
Speaker 4: some of the maybe the difficulties back to the physician
26:42
Speaker 4: or and it's just like, Okay, let's give the pharmacists
26:45
Speaker 4: the ability to do what they should be doing because
26:48
Speaker 4: of how many times they're in interaction with a patient
26:51
Speaker 4: in comparison to the physician.
26:53
Speaker 9: Right. Yeah, And I think another element of the standard
26:55
Speaker 9: of care discussion is there's also this expectation for pharmacists
26:58
Speaker 9: who recognize their limitations and understand where their limits are
27:02
Speaker 9: and what situations warn't a referral back or communication back
27:07
Speaker 9: to another provider as well. So it's not just allowing
27:09
Speaker 9: everyone to do whatever they want, it's doing things that
27:12
Speaker 9: make sense based on your education and that makes sense
27:14
Speaker 9: for your patients.
27:16
Speaker 4: Doctor Richard Dang, so, thank you so much for spending
27:18
Speaker 4: time with us here at the APHA twenty twenty six.
27:21
Speaker 4: Open invitation to the California Pharmacists Association anytime you guys
27:26
Speaker 4: want to come along on any of our platforms. You
27:28
Speaker 4: have forty plus podcasts that it can drill down into
27:31
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of different things, but we'd like you
27:33
Speaker 4: to be more part of it. So open invitation, do
27:35
Speaker 4: you guys, great, Thanks for having me, Todd. Thank you.
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Speaker 4: Marcia at the twenty twenty six APHA. It's so good
28:48
Speaker 4: to see you.
28:49
Speaker 6: It is so great to see you, Todd. One of
28:51
Speaker 6: my favorite things about this meeting.
28:53
Speaker 4: One of my favorite things is mixing in the intelligence
28:56
Speaker 4: that people like you bring to the listener base and
29:00
Speaker 4: your years of research, your years of study, and you're
29:05
Speaker 4: a blogger at heart. Every time I follow you on LinkedIn,
29:08
Speaker 4: not only are you referencing an article, but you're kind
29:11
Speaker 4: of giving an opinion on it. That's how blogging started.
29:14
Speaker 4: I don't think people understand blogging was never about the
29:17
Speaker 4: individuals insight. It was about take a newspaper article and
29:21
Speaker 4: then given an opinion on it. And then that's how
29:23
Speaker 4: podcasts starting too. But way back in two thousand and six,
29:26
Speaker 4: it was always based on something else.
29:28
Speaker 6: Well, congratulations on twenty years of podcasting. That's pretty neat.
29:31
Speaker 4: It's been crazy. It's been seventeen years, and it's just
29:34
Speaker 4: been a mind blew my mind of how many different
29:39
Speaker 4: sectors of things in pharmacy don't get enough attention. We're
29:42
Speaker 4: not talking about contraception and off, we're not talking about
29:45
Speaker 4: pediatrics enough, We're not talking about certain rare diseases enough.
29:49
Speaker 4: And I think podcasting gives us an opportunity to listen
29:53
Speaker 4: in to the expert and then put something else out
29:56
Speaker 4: there to stretch us because I don't think I don't
29:59
Speaker 4: want us to have all the the answers necessarily, but
30:01
Speaker 4: I do want us to challenge each other.
30:03
Speaker 6: I think that's important, and I think that's one of
30:05
Speaker 6: the important things about coming to a show like this.
30:08
Speaker 6: You know, the theme here is redefining possibilities, but I
30:11
Speaker 6: think about it as reinvigorating and reconnecting too, And I
30:14
Speaker 6: think part of that reconnection is challenging us to find
30:17
Speaker 6: new things and we learn from each other while we're here,
30:20
Speaker 6: and I think this is a perfect way.
30:21
Speaker 5: To do it.
30:22
Speaker 6: So that's why I'm here. One of the other things
30:24
Speaker 6: that I'm excited about is recognizing people who have accomplished
30:28
Speaker 6: a lot. Again, I thank you for getting pharmacy such
30:32
Speaker 6: a big voice and such a big presence through podcasting.
30:35
Speaker 6: I really appreciate that. I'm also excited that we're going
30:38
Speaker 6: to recognize some of my Minnesota colleagues here with some
30:40
Speaker 6: pretty big awards.
30:42
Speaker 4: At the meeting.
30:43
Speaker 6: So again, I thank you for constantly putting the focus
30:47
Speaker 6: back on pharmacy.
30:48
Speaker 4: So love that that's what it's all about. It's not
30:50
Speaker 4: about me, it's about you. It's about the pharmacists that's
30:53
Speaker 4: out there. It's not getting enough recognition, that's not getting enough.
30:57
Speaker 4: I love taking the white paper or the journal article
31:00
Speaker 4: and turning that into a true discussion, to get more
31:04
Speaker 4: insights to it, to drive more people to look into it,
31:07
Speaker 4: making people curious. My next there's two pathways of what
31:12
Speaker 4: I'm really after now. Number one is I want to
31:15
Speaker 4: go after the consumer. I want to get people that
31:18
Speaker 4: are talking about pregnancy or sexual health or HIV, and
31:22
Speaker 4: I want to demystify to the public how much of
31:26
Speaker 4: this is out there, so much TikTok, so much social
31:28
Speaker 4: media with bad information, and it's the pharmacist that can
31:32
Speaker 4: really become the barometer of what is real and what isn't,
31:36
Speaker 4: but then make it fun to listen to. And then
31:38
Speaker 4: my second in something that you're kind of part of
31:42
Speaker 4: in the it's not official yet, but we're kind of
31:44
Speaker 4: baking the cake, is the role of evidence bace podcasting,
31:48
Speaker 4: and that means if I'm listening to a show that
31:50
Speaker 4: has that seal on it, I can rest assure that
31:53
Speaker 4: it goes through the same rigorous backlog and double checking
31:59
Speaker 4: and journal evidence space referencing that we can rest assured
32:03
Speaker 4: that what we're listening to is as good as it gets.
32:07
Speaker 4: And for the clinician.
32:08
Speaker 6: Todd, I cannot thank you enough for pursuing these two avenues.
32:12
Speaker 6: My next blog, as a matter of fact, is about
32:14
Speaker 6: the misinformation that's often spread on social media and TikTok
32:19
Speaker 6: and I just saw some pretty powerful data and it
32:22
Speaker 6: came out through one of the journal studies, and that's
32:24
Speaker 6: what I'm going to focus my blog on, so being
32:27
Speaker 6: able to do a consumer focused area that provides them
32:31
Speaker 6: with solid information that corrects a lot of what they
32:34
Speaker 6: may be seeing on Reddit, TikTok, you name it. And
32:38
Speaker 6: then also the whole idea of evidence space podcasting. I'm
32:41
Speaker 6: all in and I can't wait to bake that cake
32:43
Speaker 6: with you.
32:44
Speaker 4: I love it. Marsha, Thank you so much for what
32:46
Speaker 4: you do for our profession. You've been one of the
32:50
Speaker 4: original bloggers that's out there that I remember following ten
32:53
Speaker 4: fifteen years ago. Not to aide you, but I've been
32:55
Speaker 4: around long enough that we can reference what was making
32:59
Speaker 4: things better. What is it about APHA that excites you?
33:02
Speaker 4: The changes that you've seen happen over the years.
33:05
Speaker 6: You know again, I think just a whole reinvigorating. I
33:08
Speaker 6: always walk away from this meeting reconnecting with people of
33:12
Speaker 6: My roommate this year is a friend of mine who
33:14
Speaker 6: hasn't been to the meeting for ten years. I'm so
33:16
Speaker 6: excited she was able to come. We're enjoying doing it together.
33:20
Speaker 6: We're picking up on a lot of ideas and it
33:22
Speaker 6: just really reinvigorates me to go home and do some
33:25
Speaker 6: other things. So it's my favorite part of the meeting.
33:28
Speaker 4: Marsha, thanks so much for being part of the post
33:30
Speaker 4: show here at APHA twenty twenty six.
33:32
Speaker 10: Thank you Toddanks to doctor Walter Onsai and you listened
33:40
Speaker 10: to Pharmacy podcast.
33:43
Speaker 4: Walter, Welcome to the APHA twenty twenty six coverage here.
33:47
Speaker 5: How are you doing great, doing great. Thanks for having me.
33:50
Speaker 4: Been looking forward to this interview for quite some time.
33:53
Speaker 4: You are a superstar in our profession, and I just
33:58
Speaker 4: think that it's interesting how people like you and Marie
34:02
Speaker 4: Shaw and Shane Jerminski and Katie Forbes, how you guys
34:05
Speaker 4: have all risen in the realm of social media and
34:09
Speaker 4: talk to me about that. What's that like to to
34:11
Speaker 4: be somebody that's recognized and sought after and followed and
34:19
Speaker 4: talked to me about that?
34:20
Speaker 5: Well, it's really an honor.
34:23
Speaker 10: I'm very humble about it.
34:24
Speaker 5: So I'm glad.
34:25
Speaker 10: I'm glad I'm able to represent the pharmacy profession online
34:28
Speaker 10: social media. Like I said, it's not many of us
34:30
Speaker 10: on these platforms, so the viewers that's actually doing it consistently.
34:35
Speaker 10: I'm just happy to represent and always try to show
34:38
Speaker 10: the pharmacy profession in a.
34:41
Speaker 5: Good face.
34:42
Speaker 4: And then it's funny content, it's it's really good. It's
34:45
Speaker 4: educational content, and you're doing it through humor, and I
34:48
Speaker 4: think that's a perfect way of educating not only fellow
34:52
Speaker 4: providers and nurses and people that you work with, but
34:55
Speaker 4: the public to understand things. And there's some of your
35:00
Speaker 4: comedy and the sarcasm that I don't think people outside
35:04
Speaker 4: of the profession will get because it's more for the pharmacists.
35:08
Speaker 4: It's more for the doctor. Yeah, but I love it anyways. Yeah,
35:12
Speaker 4: it's over the head of the consumer.
35:13
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, so a lot of this stuff, there's
35:16
Speaker 10: a lot of inside, inside jokes that people in the
35:19
Speaker 10: healthcare fields kind of understand. But I always try to
35:22
Speaker 10: keep the content where the general public a kind of
35:25
Speaker 10: enjoyed at the same time, probably learn something a little
35:28
Speaker 10: bit about what's going on in the pharmacy profession and
35:30
Speaker 10: healthcare that and just take away, come out and take
35:34
Speaker 10: away some information that they can use in their every
35:36
Speaker 10: day life style.
35:38
Speaker 4: So something that's exciting for me just to share with
35:41
Speaker 4: the listeners. You've done so well in content development that
35:45
Speaker 4: you're able to bring in some income for yourself based
35:48
Speaker 4: on brand representation things that you're doing, but you do
35:52
Speaker 4: it in a very educational way. Once again, that doesn't
35:55
Speaker 4: seem like what all people would say, Oh that's a
35:58
Speaker 4: sellout or something, but yeah, you're doing it much more
36:01
Speaker 4: educational and much more transparent.
36:03
Speaker 8: Yeah.
36:04
Speaker 10: So yeah, I mean, brand opportunities always come with you know,
36:07
Speaker 10: as you grow, uh, when you have when you have
36:10
Speaker 10: eyes on you, that's gonna bring some attention.
36:12
Speaker 5: That's gonna bring some of course, it's.
36:13
Speaker 10: Gonna bring the revenue uh and dollars conversation around.
36:18
Speaker 6: So uh.
36:19
Speaker 10: But at the same time, you know, I have a profession,
36:22
Speaker 10: you know, I'm a pharmacist. I want to make sure
36:23
Speaker 10: I'll hold my profession and my uh make sure I'm
36:26
Speaker 10: respected in the in the pharmacy community. So I do.
36:30
Speaker 10: I do look at collaborations. I always make sure, I
36:33
Speaker 10: you know, screen them with colleagues and uh, you know,
36:35
Speaker 10: make sure they're vetted. Uh you know, make sure there's
36:37
Speaker 10: everything is always evidence based uh medicine that I always
36:40
Speaker 10: want to support too. So that's a big factor of
36:42
Speaker 10: uh those brand deals.
36:44
Speaker 4: What what sector of pharmacy? Just for listeners background, talk
36:48
Speaker 4: to us about your background as a pharmacist. Where are
36:50
Speaker 4: you practicing and in what sector of pharmacy.
36:52
Speaker 10: So I did practice practice community pharmacy. That's what I
36:55
Speaker 10: did for the most part. I'm currently in medical school
36:58
Speaker 10: right now too, So I did a mass there's en
37:01
Speaker 10: bio medical sciences a few years back. And but yeah,
37:05
Speaker 10: just the community pharmacy setting, which I enjoy doing because
37:08
Speaker 10: that patient interaction. You know, we're kind of the first
37:11
Speaker 10: the first stop that people that patients come to, you know, anytime,
37:16
Speaker 10: So that that that that part of the pharmacy setting
37:20
Speaker 10: is where I enjoy the most.
37:22
Speaker 4: And becoming a physician and going to medical school. What
37:27
Speaker 4: what are you going? What sector of healthcare do you
37:29
Speaker 4: think you'd like to gravitate towards? Having a farm D
37:33
Speaker 4: and an MD.
37:35
Speaker 10: I just like the community setting. I'm still kind of
37:38
Speaker 10: figuring out what I would like to specialize in, but
37:41
Speaker 10: I do like the community setting, like internal medicine and
37:44
Speaker 10: the family medicine. Uh, just kind of being that person
37:47
Speaker 10: that patients go to, uh, that they can their parents,
37:51
Speaker 10: their kids could go to their parents to go to,
37:53
Speaker 10: and just kind of being that person the community that
37:55
Speaker 10: you know, they could always count on. That's what I
37:57
Speaker 10: enjoy about pharmacy and medicine about too.
38:00
Speaker 4: So so why'd you show up at the a pH A?
38:02
Speaker 4: This is an important conference for us as a publication
38:06
Speaker 4: because it's kind of like the center of our profession
38:08
Speaker 4: and so many people mix up. But why did you
38:10
Speaker 4: come to a PHA?
38:12
Speaker 10: Oh a PHA that's like the super Bowl of pharmacy,
38:14
Speaker 10: so like, you know, everything.
38:15
Speaker 5: Is here everybody is here.
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Speaker 10: This is where you know, decisions gets made, This is
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Speaker 10: where policy gets changed. So I think it's important that
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Speaker 10: all pharmacists and students and people involved in pharmacy try
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Speaker 10: to make an out here to uh, to affect effect
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Speaker 10: change because you can't always just complain about what's what's
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Speaker 10: going on. You have to be here to make that
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Speaker 10: change happen.
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Speaker 4: And originally your name was is it the fit Pharmacist
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Speaker 4: or fit pharmacist?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, pH I T fit pharmacists, fit.
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Speaker 4: Pharmacist words, get it, it's pH I T pH I
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Speaker 4: T that's right, the Fit Pharmacy. Now you spent time
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Speaker 4: a lot of time bodybuilding and in your own physique
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Speaker 4: and things like that. With your time of everything that
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Speaker 4: you got medicals, school, you're doing, brand deals, you're doing.
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Speaker 4: How has that impacted your your your exercise?
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Speaker 10: Well, so I basically don't sleep at all. I just
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Speaker 10: stay up, I stay away twenty four seven. So that's
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Speaker 10: just that's a secret. That's the secret, guys, Uh, just
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Speaker 10: don't sleep at all. But I'm just kidding. But it's
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Speaker 10: just about you know, prioritizing what's what's important to you.
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Speaker 10: I want to prioritize my fitness, and that's same thing
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Speaker 10: I want to preach in my patience too. You know,
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Speaker 10: you have to prioritize you know, fitness or in health
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Speaker 10: and your mental healthy well being. That should be that
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Speaker 10: should be priority because you know, if you don't have that,
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Speaker 10: you don't have anything. So it's not always about chasing
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Speaker 10: money or chasing this and that. So if you have
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Speaker 10: your health, you have everything else. So that's one thing
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Speaker 10: I don't want to I don't want to compromise on.
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Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with you, Walter. This has been exciting
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Speaker 4: for us to feature you here on the twenty twenty
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Speaker 4: sixth coverage of the APHA Show. I'd love to have
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Speaker 4: you on this week in pharmacy at some point too,
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Speaker 4: so we have to be back for sure.
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Speaker 10: First, thanks for having me, and you're doing a great
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Speaker 10: job represent you know, pharmacy profession and representing APHA. Hopefully
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Speaker 10: you can put you on more and do more these
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Speaker 10: things and more, more and more.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Thanks for having mem