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#178 — Did Cabin in the Woods age well? (w/ Jimmy Winslow) · Did That Age Well?

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  So happy spooky season everybody.
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  And Speaking of spooky season, today we are here to talk about
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  Cabin in the Woods with one of my very best pals, Jimmy
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  Winslow. Hello.
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  Hello. Hello, Molly.
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  Hi, I love your Shall we call it sand?
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  We can shirt. Yeah, No one would.
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  No one would call this brown unless they were crazy.
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  Unless they were colour blind, which if you are, we're allies,
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  yeah. Although.
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  Although. You can see Brown.
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  Well. Or maybe not, I don't know.
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  Maybe some people who are colour blind, they only see grey, so
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  maybe they'd say it's a light grey, you know what I mean?
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  Yeah. Or a dog if you would ask.
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  Oh, a dog would. A dog would see it as light
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  grey. That is true.
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  But I bet they could sniff out that it's actually sand, you
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  know? Yeah.
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  Jimmy, how are you? I'm doing good, I can move in.
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  It is already October. It is already October.
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  Insane. It is insane considering I know
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  that this is like the least interesting thing that I could
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  say about October, but I rode my bike over here in my shorts and
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  when I leave here I'm going to be riding my bike home in my
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  shorts thinking, oh man, should have worn pants, you know what I
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  mean? Yeah, yeah, it is hot though it.
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  Was it is during the day? It's cool at night.
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  Well. Are you a fall girly?
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  I was technically born in the fall.
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  I do love the fall. Technically, yes.
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  Denver Fall. Yeah.
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  Can mean hot, it can mean cold. Yeah, it's unpredictable, which
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  I guess is exciting. Keeping us on our toes.
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  We will very likely get our first snow at the end of this
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  month. Yes.
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  Well, down here at least. But, you know, I like the
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  leaves. Yeah, that's fun.
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  It's good running weather. Yeah.
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  I just can't wear like slutty little shorts anymore.
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  Except on Halloween night. Because we will do anything,
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  actually, and I will what? Are you going to be for
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  Halloween? I'm going to be a mailman.
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  A little insider information for those who do not know Jimmy has
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  professional experience as a mailman.
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  Will not need to get a new costume.
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  Yes, I am OK not to bring this up.
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  You can immediately. Do it.
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  Whatever it is, bring it up. I know that like Halloween is
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  like the gay holiday. Sure.
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  I can appreciate that and also it is so stressful every.
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  Well, OK, it's because I'm a procrastinator.
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  That's like actually what the. Problem is, yeah, this is
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  actually. This actually has everything to
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  do with you. Nothing to do with Halloween,
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  although, OK, it is fast fashion and it's procrastination and I
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  get a double whammy from that. Yeah, so I always end up
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  throwing together costume last minute.
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  And I know that because, well, because when you're, you know,
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  you're my boy, but also because I can think off the top of my
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  head right now of all of the costumes that I've seen you in
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  the past like five years, and they're all like, they're all.
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  So not really costumes is kind of what I'll say.
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  But with the excitement and it, it's sort of the energy of I'm
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  in a full get up. But if you were to just see a
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  photo, you'd say looks like just a little man sitting in a living
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  room. Yeah, I mean, I I genuinely
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  cannot tell you what I was for Halloween in the last five
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  years, except Alexis Rose from Schitt's Creek famously.
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  OK. That was actually pretty good,
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  but that was also kind of a last minute, right?
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  Yeah, and it's like literally the only time I think I've since
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  I was a literal child been like, this is what I'm going to be.
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  I'm going to do this outfit on purpose to be this character.
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  So this year is going to be different.
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  Yeah, Because you told me weeks ago that you were going to be a
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  mailman for for Halloween. Yeah, I decided very far in
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  advance. You decided the first day that
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  you signed up at USPS for a job You said I've got a Halloween
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  costume for. Ever.
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  Ever. Yeah, like you will be seeing me
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  as a mailman every year for the rest of my life.
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  Potentially. I love that.
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  And that's OK and. And you know what?
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  That is OK. People love a mailman.
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  Look, and we know that for when you went viral on TikTok one
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  time that one time. Yeah.
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  Yeah, people were. I was just talking to someone
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  about that the other day. They were like, oh, cuz of
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  course, famously I have also gone viral on TikTok one time
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  and, and they were like, oh, were people creepy to you?
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  And I was like, not really. It wasn't like when my friend
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  Jimmy made this wholesome video about how being a mailman is
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  great because you know you don't have imposter syndrome, you
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  don't have a lot of screen time, and they let you wear a cute
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  little outfit and everyone was like fuck.
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  Me, Jimmy. Yeah, it's a lot of men are
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  creepy. Yeah, men are garbage.
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  Like I do think for more than one reason, I will just say that
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  men should maybe have a break from being on the Internet.
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  You know what, I think that we should make men kind of like
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  take a test, like an empathy test to see if they can have
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  social media accounts. Because some can't handle it,
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  no. No, no, no.
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  OK, so obviously we know that you love Halloween, despite
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  always throwing together a costume.
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  How do you feel about horror? Movies.
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  OK, I do love horror movies. This is the part of this month
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  that I love. I will watch almost any scary
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  movie just because I like the feeling.
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  The rush is quite that. Controlled fear, I think, is a
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  very appealing feeling. Yeah, I don't love gore.
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  Yeah, necessarily. OK.
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  The substance was crazy. That's like too far for me.
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  The fact that you watch that on a date.
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  I was deceased when you told me that.
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  Yeah, without giving even more details, that makes that even
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  crazier. Yeah.
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  Absolutely. But yeah, I love a scary movie,
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  especially if it's smart. And this one, Oh boy.
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  It is I you're so. Smart.
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  It's so flippin smart. I didn't realize, like, I don't
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  know, the first time I watched Kevin in the Woods, Yeah.
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  And I went in to a rewatch. I watched it like 2 days ago.
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  Whatever. Being like, oh, I remember what
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  happens. Like I've got it down.
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  Like I didn't have strong feelings one way or another
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  about like actually I remember being like, oh, there's like
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  some unexpected things going on. I didn't realize.
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  There's almost a sci-fi behind the curtains situation going on,
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  which is very interesting, but it also feels very like cult
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  kind of horror. Yes.
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  And I didn't realize this until I was like doing my homework
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  like a good little boy and. Thank you for that.
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  Well, and that's why they call him the Scholar.
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  Scholar. Yeah, God, I was going to like,
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  OK, OK. The The thing is, Joss Whedon,
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  yes. I don't know what the drama is.
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  OK. He's problematic or something
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  has been cancelled. I don't know what it is.
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  Oh, really? Some may say that OK people who
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  pay attention better than me. However, the person who directed
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  it, which I guess Drew Goddard, Yep, he did some stuff for
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  Buffy. Yeah, he the the two of them
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  worked together on Buffy created it, actually.
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  Yeah, and I feel like that element shines through.
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  Oh my gosh, it's so Buffy. Like, it's very playful.
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  It's very like, yeah, we're technically doing a horror
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  movie, but there's almost kind of like a theatrical and like a
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  literal theatre, like, play kind of sense to like how everything
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  pieces together on purpose. Yeah.
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  Like, it's this is not a slasher.
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  Not really. Yeah, it kind of.
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  I guess it's doing like a reference to everything.
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  Yeah, it's really, I think what this movie does really well,
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  what Happened in the Woods does really well, is it's both an
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  homage and a satire. Like I think that it does a
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  great job of giving homage to movies like, I don't know, like
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  Evil Dead and like every zombie movie, like especially 28 Days
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  Later, but like Hellraiser, the Mummy it we've got clowns, we've
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  got that like creepy little family, The Texas Chainsaw
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  Massacre, very Friday the 13th, very Halloween.
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  But it also and it's like, you know, sort of giving a nice nod
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  to those films and sort of bringing this entertainment
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  value by giving nod to those films.
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  But also is very clearly a criticism of some of the more I
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  don't know, like torture porn type movies, the ones that are
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  really just like creepy basement, like Saw, hostile, the
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  weird little family from Hills Have Eyes, you know?
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  Don't. It's bad.
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  In my opinion, I think that movie is really bad.
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  So, yeah, movies like that that were like especially punishing
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  to women, like during during the like mid aughts was when those
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  types of movies started to become really popular.
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  And a lot of the more classic slashers and what I would
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  consider to be more entertaining horror films were not really not
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  really on the scene as much. So I think that they did a good
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  job of like bringing in those elements that are really
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  entertaining and giving this, I don't know, this like,
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  revitalization to the genre while also being like, isn't it
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  silly? We're kind of making fun of
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  ourselves and directly criticizing these like torture
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  porn movies, you know what I mean?
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  Well, and then there's like kind of that weird element to because
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  the movie's so self aware with all the references, but you end
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  up with this thing like, I think the sci-fi thing, like the
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  background of all the guys in the suits watching them, almost
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  like they're the audience watching the same movie we are.
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  Yeah, obviously they're in it, especially at the end, in a very
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  different way. But like you, you get the idea
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  that, like, what we're spectating is the history of
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  horror movies, and they're getting off literally, like even
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  on the choices that they're going to make in real time
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  leading down one of the baddest of those other movies.
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  Right. It's like in order to explain
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  why horror movies have these tropes, they created this entire
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  sci-fi scaffolding to be like, these tropes are so silly.
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  It's as though there were little engineers behind a Control Board
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  making people make all these stupid decisions, and that's
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  like, so freaking funny. Yeah, Yeah, it is.
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  OK, So I guess if we start right off at the very beginning, let's
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  start the characters were it kind of gets off to a fast
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  start. Yeah, we're moving, We're
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  moving. We've got Gary and Steve, played
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  by Bradley Whitford, who I love, West Wing.
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  What West Wing? West Wing, he's he like has
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  really aged well too, I would say.
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  I I would have to agree. Who?
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  Yeah, he's, he's a forever hot in my mind.
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  So they're, so they're preparing for this mission.
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  They've got to do it every year. And they're the only ones who
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  are still in the running to complete the mission other than
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  Japan. And they're like, OK, we got to,
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  we got to complete the mission. It's all very mysterious in the
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  beginning. And then we go right to this
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  college campus. This girl, Dana is just in her
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  underwear and we don't really know why.
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  And OK, this is, like, the first moment this movie is so much
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  smarter than I gave it credit for.
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  Yeah, like, right off the bat, we have, like, the setup, like,
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  a typical jock, whatever. All these, like, tropes that you
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  end up in. Like especially the kind of
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  slashers where it's like innocent girl.
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  Yep, the version, the athlete, the horror, the scholar, and the
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  fool are the five archetypes. Right.
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  Oh, I wonder also. Oh no, I was going to say if the
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  order that we see them in is also like the order that like
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  events play out with it, but it's not.
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  That's not. But we do get this weird thing
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  where once you see the movie and you see the like which ones are
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  assigned to which roles, you can very easily see how quickly it's
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  proven false that any one of them can fit in any one of those
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  category. Yes, like they need to they need
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  to make the whore a whore by being like, oh, we're going to
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  pump this room with pheromones so that she takes off her
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  clothes right and the virgin isn't actually a virgin right.
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  They they make the jock kind of dumb by like pumping the air
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  full of gas, right? Like they they have to engineer
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  all of these kids to fit into the archetypes that they set up
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  for them, which automatically like proves them to be not like
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  not fully accurate. I thought that was so fun.
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  There is also like a weird kind of strange.
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  I don't know if it's a pothole or if it's like kind of the
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  point to make fun of the mythology of it too.
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  But the the whole premise of the movie being there's some kind of
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  like supernatural rule about like fundamental components of a
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  person that have to be like sacrifice.
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  Yeah. And then they like very quickly
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  are like, except this doesn't exist, right.
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  So like, why are we going to all the effort to like a make
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  everything actually engineered? For the for the subterranean
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  gods, right? Obviously.
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  It's like we're in this. It's like they've created this
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  cinematic universe that every horror movie lives within,
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  right? And that's so fun.
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  Also, I did realize too, it's almost given Breakfast Club.
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  Like it's not I guess exactly A1 to 1, but you have.
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  Oh God. Not that I know any of those
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  actors names, but like you have the nerd in both, like Nerd
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  scholar. Yeah, you have jock in both.
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  Yeah, you have. The Virgin.
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  The Virgin in both like the Molly Ringwald, I guess the like
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  the. Then the other two don't really
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  fit but. Fool I guess is kind of like the
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  rule breaker guy. Yeah, and then the other girl is
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  just kind of a freak. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So, but it is similar in that
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  like the the setup of the movie is that there are these five
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  archetypes. And then like as we go through
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  the film, we discover that there's a lot more beneath the
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  surface. But in order to make the
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  structure work, whether that structure is high school social
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  systems, whether that structure is like horror movie, we have to
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  put people into these categories that may not fully capture who
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  they are. Well make the OK so the virgins
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  in her underwear in the first scene talking about how she has
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  been sleeping with her teacher. Yeah, I forgot.
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  That so we're we're saying hi, virgin.
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  Yeah, like hot in your underwear, talking about
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  sleeping with your married professor, whatever.
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  And then the the whore is just sorry to this girl.
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  Just a girl with short Hollister shorts.
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  Right. And but then then we immediately
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  like finally she's like pre Med or something.
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  So it's like, OK, she's just a whore because she's I guess dyed
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  her hair blonde and is hot. So like, oh, I guess that's how
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  you're settled. But then we get Chris Hemsworth,
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  and he's supposed to be like the jock, whatever, right?
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  But he throws a football, misses, goes right out of the
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  window into the scholar's hands, right?
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  Like. And the fool.
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  The smartest of them all, Yeah. Yeah, so like immediately set up
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  all of these stereotypes, immediately break all of them,
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  Yes, in like they are not messing around with the
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  timeline. Yeah, and it's fun because you
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  don't have to see a lot of horror movies to know what a
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  horror movie trope is like, you know, that that like they're
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  they got to keep the virgin alive and they got to kill the
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  whore first. You know that they're going to
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  have a weird remote place in the middle of nowhere that's kind of
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  creepy. And there's going to be a creepy
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  basement, like, you know, these things going into it.
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  So when they start to, when they start to reveal what's going to
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  happen next? We're already sort of cheering
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  for the next thing to happen because we know that that's
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  what's going to happen. Yeah.
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  And we, and we think we've seen the script before, Yeah.
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  And I guess in a lot of ways we have, yeah.
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  Until maybe the final act and everything.
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  It's like absolutely unhinged. Yeah.
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  But yeah, it's I find it very refreshing that we get to be a
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  little bit in on the joke of how stupid it is.
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  Yeah, So they, oh, also wait, this, I don't know how on
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  purpose this is. We do get the fool driving with
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  the bong, right? He makes sure to lock his door
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  and leaves the window rolled down, right.
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  So we're we're getting these things where it's like, even
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  even though he's smart and he like can't figure shit out
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  later, he is very scatterbrained.
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  Obviously, Yeah, which is like, OK, so there is a little bit of
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  fool. There's a little bit of fool.
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  They aren't so removed from their archetype that they're
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  that it's like completely unbelievable that they would be
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  fit into that category. We can see how the engineers
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  would be like close enough and then fudge the details.
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  Right, yeah. And OK, this part's unclear to
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  me. So we get moving forward like so
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  we're on our way to a cabin with a cousin that maybe does not
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  exist. Yeah, exactly.
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  Which like, OK, I'll forgive that because like we're, we're
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  moving. We're moving.
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  Again, it's like we're living in this horror movie cinematic
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  universe where it doesn't matter if the cousin is real or not,
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  you know? It just seems they really go out
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  of their way, like the people, the puppeteers, to really mess
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  with these kids lives way in advance.
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  Yeah, like. Because this is an annual
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  sacrifice they had all year to prepare.
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  Totally. It's a Christmas.
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  This is like Santa. This is Santa.
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  Yeah, and all the little elves. Exactly.
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  So we get like this even like the guy at the gas station,
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  right? We see he's like this like
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  Confederate flag in the so funny.
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  When he says I was in the war and he says which war?
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  Yeah, Brother, brother fighting brother.
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  Blue versus Gray. So funny.
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  Yeah, It's like a little joke. Like it's really, really funny.
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  Fool's a little sharp. Yeah, he's sharp.
• 22:20
  And very defensive of the girls, which like actually is a through
• 22:24
  line that thank. God.
• 22:26
  Yeah, he's like actually doing the Lord's work, frankly.
• 22:30
  Frankly, ironically. I loved him.
• 22:32
  He was my favorite. I think he's supposed to be our
• 22:34
  favorite, right? Probably, yeah.
• 22:36
  I mean, he's he's almost a hero. Us, the viewer.
• 22:39
  Yeah. But even the the part about the
• 22:41
  gas station thing that I like too is right after they leave.
• 22:45
  So like they're getting gas, whatever he the foreshadowings,
• 22:49
  of course, off the rails the whole time.
• 22:50
  Of course, he's like, you have enough gas to get there not to
• 22:53
  leave. And they're just like, OK,
• 22:56
  sounds fine to me. But then he also calls in to
• 23:02
  like whatever the I don't know what we want to call this
• 23:04
  organization. We can call it the facility.
• 23:06
  That's what they call it. OK, yeah, so he calls into the
• 23:09
  facility and even he's doing a character.
• 23:12
  Yeah, that was so funny. And they're like a roasting him,
• 23:15
  even though he comes across as very scary.
• 23:17
  Like that's of all of the things in this movie that are actually
• 23:21
  scary in real life. People like that are the real
• 23:25
  threat that could actually exist.
• 23:27
  Oh yeah. And then you find out he's like
• 23:30
  doing a play, basically. He's like saying his lines.
• 23:34
  Yeah, which is a bit weird. He's kind of method you could
• 23:39
  say because he can't really dropped, he can't really drop
• 23:42
  the ACT even when he's talking to right the engineers, but it
• 23:48
  is an act. Totally.
• 23:50
  Yeah, Yeah, yeah. OK.
• 23:52
  So then we see the force field more foreshadowing the hawk.
• 23:56
  Was in the right? Yep, Yep.
• 23:57
  Like we're really getting sci-fi and foreshadowing really leading
• 24:02
  up to it. Oh yeah.
• 24:04
  One other thing that I want to say about just the the beginning
• 24:07
  of the film is that the outfits are so on point with the times
• 24:15
  it was made. So the movie was actually
• 24:17
  supposed to come out in 2009, but MGM was having financial
• 24:20
  problems so it didn't end up getting released until 2011 when
• 24:23
  Lionsgate bought it. But the outfits are so 2009
• 24:31
  through 2011 code. We got the ballet flats, we got
• 24:36
  the side bangs, we've got the low rise Capri pants, business
• 24:40
  casual blouse. We've got the tiny Hollister
• 24:43
  shorts. Like, I can't really remember
• 24:46
  well enough if some of those trends and some of the tech like
• 24:51
  the iPod mini or iPod nano in the ihome remember.
• 24:55
  Like, I don't know if those things were already a little bit
• 24:57
  outdated by the time that it was actually released in 2011, but
• 25:01
  I'm pretty sure it was close enough.
• 25:03
  Anyway, those things really, really brought me back.
• 25:09
  It it does, even though they're like college students, it does
• 25:15
  just feel like generic. Everyone was doing that at the
• 25:19
  time, right? Like it's a little before our
• 25:23
  time, I guess. Yeah.
• 25:24
  'Cause we were 'cause we were in high school, right?
• 25:27
  Yeah. But yeah, they felt completely
• 25:30
  relatable. Yeah.
• 25:33
  As the. Wheeler those clothes I would
• 25:35
  have that that would have been my my outfit, kind of a kind of
• 25:39
  a a blouse, low rise Capri pants, ballet flats, side bangs.
• 25:46
  The pictures of you from mortified, I know not that far
• 25:48
  off not. That far off we all remember the
• 25:50
  side bangs we do. And OK, wait, the thing about
• 25:54
  glasses. Let's talk about.
• 25:55
  It so he put Oh my gosh, what's his name?
• 25:58
  This is why I have to take notes.
• 26:02
  Jesse Williams So. Holden who?
• 26:04
  Hottie. He's so hot, and it's like, of
• 26:07
  course he's gonna be hot and a scholar.
• 26:09
  Duh. Right, because they're all gonna
• 26:10
  be hot. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:12
  But I like how they're like, oh, we have to put him in glasses,
• 26:14
  like maybe so he's not like, too hot.
• 26:17
  They have to put him in glasses so that they're like, Oh yeah,
• 26:19
  that's why he's the scholar. Yeah, I'm like which is.
• 26:22
  The other part that it's so funny, it's so on purpose that
• 26:25
  they're like, we're going to take this guy who's just kind of
• 26:27
  conventional beefcake. We're going to put him in
• 26:30
  glasses, call him a scholar. Yeah.
• 26:33
  And then we get like, so Chris Hemsworth, I guess.
• 26:38
  So when it comes out he he would have been in Thor, but he would
• 26:44
  have filmed this I guess before. So we get kind of like a fresh,
• 26:51
  but he's he's a little bit younger, skinnier, but they're
• 26:55
  still like, OK, we're putting you in the Letterman jacket.
• 26:58
  He's kind of the authority figure in the group, almost like
• 27:01
  maybe just by nature of like. I think that it's like because
• 27:06
  they forgot to give him some of the dumbed down gas for a little
• 27:09
  bit. Remember when he's like, we all
• 27:11
  have to stay together and then they're like, no, no, no, no.
• 27:16
  Also the the technology, it's so wild to me like that the mix of
• 27:22
  the magic and the technology at the same time, but like the fact
• 27:25
  they have like a chemistry team, a demolition team or whatever,
• 27:29
  like all of these like very, very elite like technology that
• 27:34
  we still right now probably don't have.
• 27:37
  Hopefully not well. Well, not that we know of, but
• 27:41
  they they really do turn on like the like the even you find out
• 27:45
  like the the blonde hair dye, I guess, Yeah.
• 27:50
  Is what's making her dumb. Yeah, which love that.
• 27:53
  So funny. We're dumb blonde jokes still.
• 27:57
  Yes. OK.
• 27:57
  Yeah, at the time. Oh yeah.
• 27:59
  Very much, very much in the zeitgeist.
• 28:01
  Yeah. OK, so wait, they get to the
• 28:04
  cabin. We're immediately doing like the
• 28:07
  are the Airbnb thing where everyone's like, oh, I want my
• 28:11
  room. Yeah.
• 28:12
  And it's immediately creepy. Of course.
• 28:14
  I don't know how they're not seeing what we are seeing.
• 28:18
  Again, because they are being engineered to fit into this
• 28:23
  premise that's like that a normal person would never be
• 28:29
  like, Oh yeah, this seems totally normal and good.
• 28:32
  Yeah, it's. Yeah.
• 28:33
  Like we get the painting is first scary thing to me.
• 28:36
  Yeah. And then we get like the weird,
• 28:41
  almost like the like the feeling that like Barbarian had to where
• 28:45
  it's like it doesn't feel like we're the only ones in this
• 28:47
  house. Yes, we're not alone in this
• 28:50
  house. Right.
• 28:52
  And then I think even OK, so we get whatever like the little
• 28:54
  moment with the see through. Oh, the two way mirror.
• 28:58
  Yeah, which I guess is like the, the, the point there is what,
• 29:03
  like he's a good guy. Holden's like, I could look at
• 29:07
  her naked, I could look at the virgin.
• 29:08
  Yeah, that part that's like really one of the only parts
• 29:10
  that like doesn't make sense to me because it's not like the two
• 29:16
  way mirror was there to show that this house was used for
• 29:20
  torture that was in the basement.
• 29:21
  They had the like the dark room or whatever this two way mirror
• 29:25
  thing was just to establish that these characters are like, I
• 29:29
  don't know that they're interested in each other, that
• 29:31
  they're like sexually attracted to each other, but also they're
• 29:34
  not going to like look at each other naked without their
• 29:37
  consent. I don't know that whole thing.
• 29:39
  Like I didn't understand why it was there even.
• 29:44
  Like both from perspective of the engineers and also from the
• 29:49
  perspective of like the film makers.
• 29:52
  Like the meta commentary. I'm like why is there a two way
• 29:54
  mirror? What does this mean?
• 29:55
  I I do wonder if they were trying to establish some kind of
• 29:58
  like necessity for the sacrifices to be like moral or
• 30:03
  like maybe they were supposed to not.
• 30:04
  Be. Maybe so it's supposed to be
• 30:06
  like they if they deserve it, we don't like feel bad for them if
• 30:10
  they're like shitty people or something.
• 30:13
  But I will say actually the one funny moment is OK, we find out
• 30:17
  it's a two way mirror. OK, she's about to be naked.
• 30:20
  Yes, he says no, let's swap rooms.
• 30:22
  What does he immediately do? Get in front of the mirror,
• 30:25
  takes off his. Look, I mean, if you looked like
• 30:28
  that, wouldn't you be taking off your?
• 30:29
  Clothes. I mean, I do it anyway, you'd
• 30:31
  say. You'd say look through this
• 30:34
  mirror. Yeah, but that it's.
• 30:35
  Like all in. Yeah, it's like, OK, so you
• 30:38
  we're just showing our each other our naked bodies, knowing
• 30:42
  that that's what we're doing now.
• 30:43
  Oh, for sure. Like OK.
• 30:48
  Yeah. And then, OK, and then the lake
• 30:51
  is kind of a weird element. I guess it's a little bit of
• 30:53
  like a, we're going to come back to this later in like a four
• 30:56
  trope kind of a setup way. Totally.
• 31:00
  Water is like very mysterious, dark, creepy.
• 31:03
  I guess we get the payoff for them not wanting to get in the
• 31:06
  water earlier. And then she does, she ends up
• 31:09
  in the water when she almost dies.
• 31:11
  And then. And then that guy gets killed by
• 31:13
  merman. That was funny.
• 31:15
  You bet on him. That thing is gross.
• 31:17
  That was really gross. Wait, OK, there's something I
• 31:22
  Frick. I was just going to say when we
• 31:24
  were talking about the lake. Dang it, Jimmy.
• 31:29
  Well, it'll it'll come back to you.
• 31:31
  It will come back to me. I know that.
• 31:33
  I know. One thing's for sure is that
• 31:35
  it's going to come back to. Me it will.
• 31:36
  It's all coming back to me. Oh, my God, I remember what I
• 31:40
  was going to say. It actually had nothing to do
• 31:42
  with the lake. Oh, my God.
• 31:43
  OK, so we were set up with this premise of the five archetypes,
• 31:48
  right? And they have to die in a
• 31:49
  certain order. What does that mean for the
• 31:52
  Japanese schoolchildren? Remember, that entire setup in
• 31:58
  Japan was just like school children.
• 32:02
  Yeah, I don't know that they fully make that clear.
• 32:07
  That was one part that, you know, even in the the universe
• 32:12
  of this movie, I was like, wait, but.
• 32:16
  Why are they all like if we have to be the tropes?
• 32:19
  Yeah, if it has to be the tropes in order to satisfy the the gods
• 32:24
  then then what are you going to say?
• 32:28
  That this 8 year old is a whore. Yeah, I know.
• 32:30
  Excuse me. I mean, did you see her hair?
• 32:32
  No. Yeah, that that part's a bit.
• 32:36
  Maybe there's different rules. Yeah, in different.
• 32:39
  Different countries, different cultures.
• 32:41
  Right. Although actually that would
• 32:44
  that would work because there are different horror tropes in
• 32:48
  Japanese horror than there are in American Horror movies.
• 32:51
  This idea of like the the virgin and the horror in slashers is so
• 32:56
  American. From my understanding.
• 32:59
  I'm not a horror movie scholar. Professor, Professor Andy is
• 33:03
  listening to this and he's saying, no, no, no, there.
• 33:06
  It actually originated in this country and this year, blah,
• 33:08
  blah, blah. Anyway, I think from my
• 33:12
  perspective, from what I know, it's a very American trope.
• 33:16
  Japanese horror movies are incredible and also don't really
• 33:21
  follow the same conventions as American Horror movies.
• 33:24
  To that to that point, I do think one of the biggest things
• 33:28
  the film's trying to say is that America, our culture is set up
• 33:35
  in this way that is very like commoditized.
• 33:39
  Like I don't know if they're meant to say like we're stealing
• 33:44
  stuff from other cultures too, like with all the monsters we
• 33:46
  have, because some of those feel like Japanese horror troops,
• 33:49
  like in the actual monster selection.
• 33:54
  But we we do get the idea right, that like in America, we're
• 33:58
  doing sports betting on people getting ritually sacrificed.
• 34:01
  And it's like we're going back and forth with like this very
• 34:04
  weird discomfort of like, it's weird.
• 34:08
  These people are like so glib about the fact that like literal
• 34:11
  children or, or whatever, I guess 18 year old, barely,
• 34:15
  they're children to us. They're getting killed.
• 34:19
  And it's like casual and like a sport kind of stuff.
• 34:25
  And like in Japan, that's like, not how it goes.
• 34:29
  Right. Yeah, it's interesting.
• 34:31
  It's like there is a little bit of this moral question that they
• 34:37
  pose to us of like, but what if it saved the rest of the world?
• 34:41
  Like it's very, it's like a, it's like the, the fucking,
• 34:44
  what's it called? The trolley?
• 34:46
  Oh. God, actually, yeah, I mean very
• 34:49
  much the trolley. And it's sort of like, Oh my
• 34:52
  God, when we get Sigourney Weaver, God bless.
• 34:55
  Icon. Moment of silence for the
• 34:57
  goodness of Sigourney Weaver. OK, she's the director and it's
• 35:02
  like. Is she really?
• 35:04
  What of the thing of the thing? That's her character's name as
• 35:07
  the director. She's the, you know, she's the
• 35:10
  director. And it's sort of like, are we
• 35:13
  the directors? Are we the engineers?
• 35:16
  Are we the ones that are watching these horror films?
• 35:19
  Like with this, I don't know, this glib attitude of like, oh,
• 35:24
  yeah, people are going to die because it's entertaining and we
• 35:26
  have to do it. We just have to, you know.
• 35:30
  It's it's dark. I think that's like the darkest
• 35:32
  thing about the. Yeah.
• 35:34
  Movie. But also, horror movies do not
• 35:38
  like, it's not like we're truly sacrificing these characters in
• 35:42
  order to protect the rest of the world, you know, not in reality.
• 35:50
  But are we treating it like that?
• 35:51
  Are we treating it like, well, this is something we have to do,
• 35:54
  We just have to kill off these kids and we have to watch and
• 35:57
  bet on it? They don't have to bet on it.
• 36:01
  They don't have to. They're not Zac Efron.
• 36:03
  Bet on it. Oh yeah.
• 36:05
  God, I cannot. I'm not singing on a microphone.
• 36:08
  Don't make me. Sing, don't make me, he said.
• 36:12
  It's musical theater time, yeah. OK I will say so after lake.
• 36:17
  OK Lakes are spooky to me. I do not like water content.
• 36:21
  In a movie. Well, yeah.
• 36:23
  Do you like to swim in a lake normally?
• 36:26
  Yes, but part of my brain does look out for the merman at all
• 36:31
  times. Yes, yes, yes.
• 36:33
  Remember when he's like, Oh yeah, like the fish are going to
• 36:36
  get you or like, there's no fish, right?
• 36:39
  Yeah. Well, and she doesn't want to
• 36:41
  get in. She's like, yeah, I'm going to
• 36:42
  like, like Tan. She's like, yeah, it's dangerous
• 36:46
  enough to just tan. That's the way that I'll do.
• 36:48
  It and also I think it's cloudy, so it's it is like a very stupid
• 36:52
  like. That was the hair dye talking,
• 36:54
  yeah. Yeah.
• 36:55
  Well, but OK, then I will say like's a little spooky.
• 37:00
  They could have leaned in a little harder maybe if they
• 37:01
  wanted to with like the music or whatever.
• 37:03
  Don't really. I think it starts getting
• 37:06
  spooky. Obviously the truth or dare.
• 37:09
  It's night time. It's night time when they start
• 37:11
  playing truth or dare, and that's when it gets creepy.
• 37:14
  Wait, can I ask you? Yes.
• 37:15
  What do you say when posed with the question of truth or dare?
• 37:19
  Do you? Do you choose truth or do you
• 37:20
  choose dare? It's so depends what I'm with.
• 37:23
  Oh my God. OK.
• 37:26
  Men will make you do crazy things if you choose dare.
• 37:29
  Yeah, don't. Don't you dare choose dare in
• 37:34
  the company of men. It it's more fun to do the game
• 37:38
  that way, right? When when you play truth or dare
• 37:40
  and everyone's speaking truth it, it becomes like a weird
• 37:43
  therapy. Yeah.
• 37:45
  Or not therapy, but it's like. It's like a weird like.
• 37:47
  What's the worst thing you've ever done?
• 37:49
  What's the weirdest place you ever did it?
• 37:50
  Yeah, it's like, OK. Yeah.
• 37:53
  It's like, OK, now we're just like sharing random, Yeah.
• 37:58
  Story. Now we're.
• 37:59
  Just I guess, yeah. OK.
• 38:00
  And now you're getting attention.
• 38:02
  Good for. You it's two game, it's two
• 38:04
  separate games and they're like smashed.
• 38:06
  Together, that is. That's a big thing to say.
• 38:09
  And honestly, you just blew my mind.
• 38:12
  Truth or Dare is truly two different games.
• 38:16
  Wow. But you have to pose it as a
• 38:19
  question because if you're like, let's just play dare, then it's
• 38:22
  like, OK, well, I dare you to do this.
• 38:24
  Like there's no, there's no anticipation of like, what's she
• 38:28
  going to choose? Well, and I guess that's what
• 38:30
  Chris Hemsworth almost actually makes this exact same point
• 38:37
  because he's like, OK, so first of all, Wolf make out first
• 38:40
  scary moment to me because you think it's going to do
• 38:43
  something? Yeah, Like, yeah, on the wall.
• 38:47
  You think it's going to? Yeah, when the eyes, it feels
• 38:50
  like the eyes are about to move at any moment.
• 38:52
  Oh yeah, that's taxidermy, babe. That's.
• 38:55
  Don't like it? That's how it all.
• 38:57
  That's how it would be in a freaky cabin in the woods.
• 39:00
  If there was a taxidermy wolf on the wall, it would be.
• 39:03
  Or a moose as as a Stoner might say.
• 39:07
  Yeah. But then, yeah, we get like the
• 39:13
  Chris Hemsworth's basically saying like, oh, you're of
• 39:15
  course going to make truth. You're the virgin, You're the
• 39:18
  prude. You're boring.
• 39:19
  Yeah, you, you are not like, you can't possibly do something
• 39:23
  interesting, right? And of course, she's like, OK,
• 39:27
  fine. Which is like, so predictable.
• 39:30
  Of course. Like it.
• 39:30
  She plays like right into his hands.
• 39:33
  Right. And then the trap door just on a
• 39:36
  we're on a now. Now we're just incredible.
• 39:38
  We're go it. Started.
• 39:39
  It's on. It's night time.
• 39:41
  Halloween started. It's October 1st.
• 39:44
  Yes, we're going into the scary basement.
• 39:46
  Yes, alone in the dark. Yeah.
• 39:51
  And then we're off to the races. Oh yeah, and then we're picking
• 39:54
  up every single creepy thing. They got the dolls, they got the
• 39:58
  little music boxes, they got the creepy diary.
• 40:01
  And she says. The Latin phrase to unlock.
• 40:05
  You just never say the Latin. Do they explain so we have the
• 40:10
  thing the fool is hearing voices?
• 40:13
  Yeah. Do we?
• 40:15
  Is there a speaker? Are we doing subliminal
• 40:18
  messaging? Actually, don't.
• 40:19
  I think that there is. I think that it's like, I think
• 40:23
  that it we're meant to believe that that's what's happening,
• 40:25
  OK. Yeah, because he's very much
• 40:28
  like, as the viewer, you know, too.
• 40:31
  And he seems getting worse. Seeing where it's like, this is
• 40:34
  a very bad idea. I've seen a horror movie before.
• 40:37
  Right. Like we should not be reading
• 40:40
  the Latin in the scary book in the basement, right?
• 40:43
  And of course. She doesn't.
• 40:45
  She does it, Yeah, stupid virgin.
• 40:48
  Like let the black thing handle or the hocus pocus.
• 40:51
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does the thing.
• 40:54
  I will say this part of the movie it's they start making
• 41:00
  very strong choices at this point because there's so many
• 41:06
  options available to them. I do find it interesting to pick
• 41:10
  like a very hectic, cluttered basement with a billion options
• 41:16
  to die. Well, that's what makes the bet
• 41:19
  so exciting. Yeah.
• 41:21
  And I guess it's a free will thing.
• 41:23
  And they're really saying there's like there's not three
• 41:25
  choices of which way you're going to die.
• 41:27
  There's a countless number. We saw all the different little
• 41:32
  elevator pods that came out. I mean, there were dozens and
• 41:35
  dozens and dozens of little monsters that they could have
• 41:38
  summoned. Yeah.
• 41:39
  I do think the scale is maybe worth rethinking if they were
• 41:43
  going to do like a a bit of a, yeah, a revamp.
• 41:46
  But the scale of it is what is so funny because like, that's
• 41:52
  when that's when it becomes truly to me, like horror comedy,
• 41:56
  when they just unleash all of the monsters.
• 41:59
  It's like they they opened, they opened the gates to the zoo,
• 42:03
  they let all of the monsters out of the cages and it is just
• 42:10
  hilarious chaos. So I think that they needed that
• 42:13
  over the top. I don't know nature of it, but
• 42:17
  it's not, it's not over the top in the way that like Scary Movie
• 42:21
  is over the top. It's not like a dumb satire.
• 42:23
  I think. I think that that's the
• 42:24
  difference is that this is a smart satire that actually
• 42:28
  appreciates horror. Scary Movie is like a dumb
• 42:33
  satire. I I feel like this is more
• 42:36
  Scream as the happy medium where it's like in Scream they're also
• 42:41
  self aware of like what the danger is at any given time.
• 42:48
  They they've all like, seen the movie they're in.
• 42:50
  Right. There's always that explicit
• 42:52
  meta commentary where it's like, you've seen a scary movie,
• 42:55
  right? Yeah, and we we get that here,
• 42:58
  which I guess works, but it it becomes, I do feel like this is
• 43:05
  like we're hitting Act 2 at the moment.
• 43:09
  It's like it's all of a sudden it's OK.
• 43:11
  Now we're doing a mini section of the movie where we're in like
• 43:16
  a horror movie for real, right? We have the zombie family coming
• 43:21
  at us with a the. Zombie torture family, It's so
• 43:24
  funny. Bear trap.
• 43:25
  Yeah. And a saw and a knife.
• 43:28
  It's almost like Addams Family kind of a thing.
• 43:31
  It's very like, it is actually very Hills Have Eyes.
• 43:36
  Like in Hills Have Eyes, it's like this.
• 43:40
  It's like this, Yeah. Like, literally like a creepy
• 43:42
  zombie torture family. Like they're a little family of
• 43:46
  monsters that are just creepy. That's it.
• 43:51
  And then there was there's also the weird element too, that like
• 43:54
  breaks, like the the fact that the zombies are a supernatural
• 44:01
  threat and they're coming out of a bunker and like a highly
• 44:05
  engineered combat. It's it's almost like we've like
• 44:09
  seen the characters but get put into like a giant snow globe.
• 44:12
  Yeah, like literally with I guess the force field.
• 44:15
  Snow Globe is a great way to describe this movie.
• 44:17
  And then they get to watch. Yeah.
• 44:20
  Like they have absolute control over every square inch of the
• 44:25
  entire setting. Yeah, it made me kind of like, I
• 44:29
  thought it was so cathartic when they let all of the monsters out
• 44:32
  of their little pods because it's like, you know, a monster
• 44:36
  in a pod that doesn't get to do any killing.
• 44:39
  What a lonely little life you know.
• 44:41
  And you almost get message, jump forward, there's the one.
• 44:45
  So Chris Hemsworth almost picks whatever that little ball puzzle
• 44:50
  is. Oh yeah, the Hellraiser thing.
• 44:52
  Like the little puzzle? Yeah, and that guy does seem
• 44:55
  sad. Genuinely, Yeah.
• 44:58
  Sad, sad pinhead guy. He's like so bummed that they
• 45:03
  didn't pick him. He's like, oh man.
• 45:06
  But it also seems like he's like one of the ones that's like,
• 45:10
  doesn't feel interested in like doing like, a lot of them are
• 45:14
  animals, I guess the family's like.
• 45:17
  Zombies. Yeah, and it's they're in on the
• 45:22
  wanting to kill actively like. It's every, I think that like
• 45:30
  all of the creatures are, it's like in their nature to kill.
• 45:34
  It doesn't, it doesn't matter which one they pick, the
• 45:37
  outcome's gonna be the same. And I think that's another
• 45:40
  commentary on like, you know, horror movies is that like, it
• 45:44
  doesn't matter what the monster is, the the end result is going
• 45:49
  to be the same that like the whore is going to die first and
• 45:51
  the virgin's going to either live or die.
• 45:54
  But we'll be the last one, you know.
• 45:58
  I do like they mess with the recipe too.
• 46:00
  Like, again, they're trying to subvert the expectation.
• 46:03
  We're like the whore and the jock, the athlete are like out
• 46:08
  in the woods and he's like, oh, let's do it.
• 46:10
  And she's like, no, we're like kind of in public.
• 46:13
  It's right. She's like, I'm chilly.
• 46:15
  And then they again, because she's not actually a whore, they
• 46:19
  have to like turn the temperature up, release these
• 46:23
  pheromones that make her feel like, I don't know, they like
• 46:28
  they like make them horny and fuck with the temperature.
• 46:32
  Right. And I also just want to say for
• 46:34
  the listener that we don't actually call people whores
• 46:37
  except in in love and in just right.
• 46:41
  We are speaking a huge compliment, always.
• 46:46
  Every time. In this context, we are simply
• 46:50
  working with the names and labels that they have given us.
• 46:53
  Yeah, so and if you. If you dye your hair blonde,
• 46:56
  you're asking for it, frankly. Oh my God, that's so true.
• 46:58
  I've always said that. And you've always said that to
• 47:00
  me. Yeah.
• 47:01
  Yeah, anyone who dyes their hair.
• 47:03
  And not even just blonde. Honestly, really any any
• 47:07
  colours. Really.
• 47:07
  Come get it boys. Or whoever.
• 47:10
  Or and thank you for saying that in this case.
• 47:15
  She's saying come get it, Chris. Yeah, again, it's so funny
• 47:19
  because like, even for, I mean, yeah, in 2009 standards, any
• 47:25
  woman was a whore if she dared to, like, show a little leg.
• 47:32
  Or belly button God. Forbid, oh, God forbid, but this
• 47:35
  is a girl who is in a monogamous relationship.
• 47:40
  She is. She's not sleeping around.
• 47:44
  No. She's not love him, they are in
• 47:46
  love. Like.
• 47:48
  Yeah. They're good people, honestly,
• 47:52
  as far as I can tell. Yeah, like.
• 47:54
  Even even in the even for the scale of like what is a whore in
• 47:58
  2009? Like she doesn't fit it.
• 48:00
  No, yeah. Like we we're literally even 0
• 48:02
  evidence to believe that that's anything except she's hot.
• 48:06
  Yeah, that's it. That's it.
• 48:08
  Which is crazy. Tiny Hollister.
• 48:10
  Shorts and it is like I do. Honestly it is sad to me when
• 48:13
  she dies first. Oh my God, me too.
• 48:15
  Because she doesn't want to be in the woods.
• 48:17
  It's like it's fault. Like it's typical thing where
• 48:21
  she's like I don't want to do this, I don't want to be out
• 48:23
  here. And he's like come on, come on,
• 48:25
  we have to have 6 on this Like nasty mossy.
• 48:29
  Oh yeah, that was another. Thing is the likes.
• 48:31
  They say to her, they're like, oh, like maybe you should go lay
• 48:36
  down or like, do you want to go lay down?
• 48:37
  Like they, the other characters know that she's drunk and that
• 48:42
  her boyfriend is like going to take her outside to go have sex.
• 48:45
  That was that was like tough. That was tough.
• 48:49
  Right. Yeah, but that's now we're
• 48:53
  escalating. She's she's.
• 48:55
  Wrecked. Immediately wrecked.
• 48:57
  Yeah. Chris Hemsworth.
• 49:00
  I mean, I guess he's a little shocked she's dead.
• 49:02
  Not crying. Well, he's fighting for his
• 49:05
  goddamn life. Yeah, trying to piece it
• 49:08
  together. I mean, I mean this whole next
• 49:10
  section really is just literally like.
• 49:12
  It's the slashing. Survive.
• 49:14
  Yeah, it's the slashing this part is, I mean, it's
• 49:18
  entertaining. It's it's the slasher we came
• 49:21
  here for. It's, you know, the everything
• 49:25
  is so like over the top and honestly really well acted.
• 49:31
  I thought the performances were great, like great directing,
• 49:33
  great performances. I was like, Oh yeah, we're in a
• 49:36
  slasher now. Yeah, they they really turn it
• 49:40
  on. And then and then you do get the
• 49:42
  whipping. The fool, he becomes aware that
• 49:48
  he's in a movie in a way that the others don't.
• 49:52
  Or I guess what does he say? He's like I'm on reality TV.
• 49:55
  Yeah. Like.
• 49:57
  That was so funny. He's like, my mom's going to
• 49:59
  think I'm such a burnout because he finds the camera.
• 50:02
  But he already knew. He already had a suspicion that
• 50:05
  things were not as they seem, that there were puppeteers.
• 50:08
  Does he like OK when he sings Zombie coming at him with a
• 50:12
  knife? Are are we meant to think he's
• 50:14
  like, oh, that's not a real knife?
• 50:15
  Like this isn't a real zombie. No, I think he, he knows that
• 50:18
  it's real. He knows that there is real
• 50:19
  harm, OK, but he but he also was like, we don't have free will.
• 50:23
  Things are being orchestrated right?
• 50:25
  Yeah. And then he goes, OK, so this is
• 50:28
  when the movie starts getting very smart.
• 50:30
  I think we've said that like 3 times.
• 50:32
  Probably we are meant to believe and like the facility believes
• 50:40
  he's dead. They pull their little switch to
• 50:42
  like they do their Hunger Games cannon for his death, whatever.
• 50:47
  And he's not. Oh yeah.
• 50:50
  Huge twist later, like he's dragged off into the woods.
• 50:54
  I don't know how he's not dead frankly.
• 50:58
  Especially while very high like. But they said that the stuff
• 51:03
  that he was smoking was actually making him smarter.
• 51:05
  They're like, Oh no, it's actually making him more aware
• 51:08
  of what's going on. I kind of like that.
• 51:10
  Yeah, also huge. They can literally like, manage
• 51:13
  to drug people with their hair coloring.
• 51:18
  Yeah, at their whatever stylist or like the salon, but somehow
• 51:22
  they like, can't control the weed he has.
• 51:23
  Yeah, it's like, OK, yeah. Doesn't sound like a fool to me.
• 51:28
  Sounds like they're the fools, frankly.
• 51:30
  And you said it. And they OK, so order goes.
• 51:36
  Or we're meant to believe Horror fool.
• 51:41
  No horror. Because and then we think you
• 51:43
  guys, the other three trying to escape, Chris Hemsworth has a
• 51:47
  little hero moment, which we know obviously is not going to
• 51:51
  work. OK.
• 51:53
  And then this confused me. They drive back and then Holden
• 52:00
  gets stabbed in the neck by the zombie in the truck.
• 52:05
  That was just what, hanging there the whole time?
• 52:07
  They were like trying to do the force field moment.
• 52:11
  He's just waiting. Yeah, probably because it's like
• 52:13
  more exciting to the gods that they, like, space it out a
• 52:16
  little, right? You know?
• 52:18
  I don't know. Yeah.
• 52:19
  I mean, the gods want to be entertained.
• 52:21
  That's what the whole thing's for.
• 52:22
  I guess so. It's like their sleepy time tea.
• 52:26
  It's their sleepy time tea. Their annual sleepy Time tea.
• 52:30
  Right, Yes. So that that those deaths all
• 52:33
  happen quite. It's quite quickly for us at
• 52:37
  least. Yes, she is dying.
• 52:41
  They're starting to celebrate. Yeah.
• 52:43
  Because they're like, it doesn't matter if she lives or dies.
• 52:45
  Right, which is also. She just must suffer.
• 52:48
  Yeah, that's. I mean, but that's the trope.
• 52:51
  It's like the Virgin might live, she might die, but she will
• 52:54
  suffer. Right.
• 52:56
  Everyone she loves is going to get killed.
• 52:59
  Yes, she will be left alone. She will never be the same.
• 53:02
  Right, And then we get big surprise.
• 53:05
  The fool's the hero. He's also somehow genius enough
• 53:08
  to find the entrance. The bunker, Yeah.
• 53:14
  That the zombies came out of. Yeah.
• 53:15
  He's also now an electrician or something.
• 53:18
  Right. He figures out how to work the
• 53:20
  elevator. It seems like maybe it wasn't
• 53:23
  that hard. I mean, would it be hard for me?
• 53:26
  Yes. Would it be hard for someone who
• 53:28
  maybe has seen a breaker box before and done something with
• 53:32
  it? Maybe not.
• 53:34
  I was going to say, you know, one huge kind of this movie is
• 53:37
  that there's zero gay content. Not one clear thing happens
• 53:42
  literally the whole time, however.
• 53:43
  Except for Sigourney Weaver's like suit.
• 53:48
  That's true. I think that was a little that
• 53:50
  was, I mean, honestly, that was huge.
• 53:53
  I mean that. Was huge for the LG Power T
• 53:56
  audience. Yeah, yeah.
• 53:58
  And if we want to read into it, yeah, figuring out the elevator
• 54:01
  just by randomly hitting wires, gays and stem.
• 54:04
  That's so true. And you know what?
• 54:06
  There is an argument to be made that all of those monsters were
• 54:09
  actually living in the closet and they girl came out.
• 54:15
  Damn. It's coming out.
• 54:16
  The National Coming Out Day is actually what that day was.
• 54:20
  And they did it. And they and they did it.
• 54:23
  Heads will roll. So actually, I think, yeah, it
• 54:29
  actually was pretty good. Sure.
• 54:31
  But there was not enough kissy kissy, smoochy, smoochy.
• 54:35
  Right, yeah, we we see one shirtless guy.
• 54:40
  I'm so sorry. Although I guess we get we get
• 54:43
  some hore tits. That's true.
• 54:46
  And the men, really. That was icky.
• 54:49
  That was icky because it was sort of like, I don't know, it
• 54:54
  was played as though like, yeah, they're the bad guys.
• 54:57
  And the other ones that are like, don't just try and get her
• 54:59
  to take her top off are the good ones.
• 55:00
  But it's like they're bad too because they're all complicit in
• 55:03
  this scheme. But at the same time, it's like,
• 55:06
  well, are they all bad? Or are they just doing their job
• 55:09
  because they have to please the gods when we get safe humanity?
• 55:12
  We get the one security guard, which I guess is meant to like
• 55:15
  kind of answer that question because he he's the only one
• 55:19
  there. That's like, this is my job.
• 55:20
  I don't take pleasure in this. Everyone else is kind of like
• 55:24
  into it. But it's like, OK, but you're
• 55:26
  still there. Like, it doesn't really matter
• 55:28
  that much whether you're taking it doesn't matter to the people
• 55:32
  who are being killed, whether or not you take pleasure in it.
• 55:36
  You're still like, it doesn't matter that to them whether
• 55:39
  you're placing a bet, the outcome is going to be the same
• 55:41
  for them. So why are you so much better
• 55:45
  than everyone else you know? Which I guess gets to the whole
• 55:48
  point. The fool and the virgin, they're
• 55:52
  going to stick it to the man. It's a huge F you for putting us
• 55:56
  through this. Let the monsters out.
• 55:59
  Yeah, chaos. Chaos.
• 56:03
  Insane. Yeah, I love it.
• 56:05
  They chose so many monsters. Yes.
• 56:10
  Of every flavour and we we intimately see them all doing
• 56:16
  wild. Stuff, it was like, wow, this is
• 56:20
  the, this is the homage to Harmony.
• 56:26
  This is where everyone says, oh, there's that from that movie,
• 56:28
  there's that from that movie, there's that from that movie,
• 56:30
  right? It's fun.
• 56:32
  And then we get the question ultimately right, which is a, do
• 56:38
  we believe the facility that this like what they're actually
• 56:41
  saying is going to happen is real?
• 56:43
  Why? OK, why were they so quick to
• 56:47
  believe Sigourney Weaver's character when she's like, yeah,
• 56:50
  This is why this is all happening?
• 56:53
  So you're going to have to die in order to save humanity,
• 56:58
  Wouldn't it be? Wouldn't it behoove you to say,
• 57:02
  am I sure about this? Why would they believe this lady
• 57:05
  anyway? I'm sorry I interrupted you.
• 57:06
  You're going to say another thing.
• 57:07
  No, that that's like exactly. It's it's the they have to make
• 57:12
  a decision of whether or not like it is like kind of what the
• 57:19
  security guard is right? It's like, is he actually better
• 57:22
  than them for being there right. And if you believe the
• 57:26
  assumption, the premise is true that literally every human being
• 57:30
  on earth will die, right? If this doesn't happen, then
• 57:36
  then you can say like he's not happy about it, but he's trying
• 57:40
  to like keep the world from ending, right?
• 57:42
  But but then to your point begs the question, if you have to
• 57:46
  accept that anyway, why not just lean in and say like, I'm what?
• 57:51
  I'm going to sit here and be depressed.
• 57:53
  Yeah. And like, really miserable about
• 57:55
  the fact that we're like killing people if you have to do it
• 58:00
  every year. Like you, I think I understand
• 58:04
  how a human would be like, I can't emotionally handle being
• 58:08
  sad about the reality of this the whole time, right?
• 58:12
  And flipping the switch. Oh yeah.
• 58:16
  Although you get to the point too with like seeing the success
• 58:19
  of all the other ones. The other option is like, what
• 58:28
  if America's not the one that fails?
• 58:30
  Yeah. Right.
• 58:32
  Like it, it's this weird thing to be like, oh, it's always our
• 58:35
  responsibility to be the one that like, actually does the
• 58:38
  messed up wild stuff. Well, they did say that Sweden
• 58:43
  had a perfect record. Right, right.
• 58:45
  Yeah. Was it Sweden?
• 58:47
  Yeah. Some other country that they
• 58:48
  said had a perfect record. But it but it kind of begs the
• 58:51
  question, they're like operating under the assumption every other
• 58:54
  country has their shit together enough that they won't be like,
• 58:59
  I don't know. Well, in the universe of this
• 59:03
  movie, there's a reason why some countries have better horror
• 59:10
  movies than others. Remember that.
• 59:12
  It's like. That's why Japan and the US were
• 59:14
  like the last two to be in the running because Japan and the US
• 59:18
  have they make, they make good horror movies.
• 59:22
  So it's not so much about like the well, it's not, it's not a
• 59:25
  direct commentary on like the morality of this entire culture.
• 59:31
  It's more like, it's more like the that country's ability to
• 59:36
  make a good horror movie. Right.
• 59:39
  Which it like, yeah, I guess we're seeing.
• 59:42
  But it might be, it might also be what you're saying like
• 59:44
  indirectly, I think, yeah. Yeah, when you kind of get to
• 59:48
  the point too, right? Where the like the at the end.
• 59:54
  God, what is Dana I guess. Dana.
• 59:58
  I guess I'm like, I guess a perfect.
• 59:59
  Way to describe her. She's Dana, I guess.
• 1:00:02
  Dana and Marty are there, and Dana's like, actually going to
• 1:00:06
  maybe shoot him. Oh yeah.
• 1:00:08
  Because she's like, well, it's the world, are you?
• 1:00:11
  And you can tell she's sad about it.
• 1:00:13
  And it's like she's attached to him because he's actually like
• 1:00:16
  friends with her and like has like literally saved her.
• 1:00:20
  He's like literally a good person.
• 1:00:22
  Right. And the way he sees it right is
• 1:00:25
  like, it's not worth me being a bad person just to save the
• 1:00:32
  world. He said, you know what, burn it
• 1:00:35
  all. He said humanity was probably
• 1:00:38
  doomed to for this. You know, it's like this is how
• 1:00:42
  it was meant to be. And I think that that's like,
• 1:00:46
  it's such a satisfying ending. It's like it's the end of the
• 1:00:52
  world. Literally everyone dies.
• 1:00:55
  And it's such a satisfying ending, Yeah.
• 1:00:57
  Yeah, I mean, because what do you, what do you do in that?
• 1:01:00
  Situation. What else are you going to do?
• 1:01:02
  Like I'm I'm not killing my friend I went on the camping
• 1:01:05
  trip with. I'm going to smoke a joint in my
• 1:01:09
  bloody shirt with my pal and say sayonara.
• 1:01:14
  That's what they do. Yeah, also, even if she kills
• 1:01:17
  him, she's not getting out of there alive with all those
• 1:01:21
  monsters running loose. Well, yeah, the premise is that
• 1:01:23
  she would kill him and then kill herself.
• 1:01:26
  Oh, would she? Well, I guess, yeah.
• 1:01:28
  Or die from dying out or whatever.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah. Wait, if she goes to him, she
• 1:01:33
  doesn't have to though, right? But she probably would.
• 1:01:36
  Yeah, but she probably would. Yeah, or like, I'm assuming the
• 1:01:39
  werewolf bites that stop her from killing him are going to do
• 1:01:44
  her over. Yeah, but but how crazy.
• 1:01:46
  If you're like, Oh yeah, I believe you.
• 1:01:49
  I have to kill you to stop the world.
• 1:01:51
  And then it's like if the premise is false and you didn't
• 1:01:53
  actually have to do it. Right, if Sigourney Weaver was
• 1:01:56
  lying. Right.
• 1:01:58
  Then you have to live with that. So I think it's like the safe
• 1:02:02
  bet of like, I'm not going to kill my friend just with these
• 1:02:06
  because you can't disprove the alternative, right?
• 1:02:09
  That's true. You can't disprove it till the
• 1:02:11
  sun comes up. Yeah, just like if you don't
• 1:02:13
  kill him, the only way to find out if it's real.
• 1:02:18
  It's to wait. Is and then you don't get the do
• 1:02:20
  over obviously. But if she does kill him and the
• 1:02:23
  world doesn't end, she doesn't know if it was real or not
• 1:02:27
  anyway because she either stopped the apocalypse or she
• 1:02:32
  just did what they wanted and the world was never going to end
• 1:02:35
  anyway. Although I will say the the fact
• 1:02:40
  all of the supernatural stuff is happening is maybe why they
• 1:02:44
  believe her right? Because it's like all of the
• 1:02:48
  stuff I thought did not exist and like should be impossible.
• 1:02:52
  They're like, oh, this is this is all true.
• 1:02:56
  And if that is true, then this must also be true.
• 1:02:59
  That, that makes sense. They'd go to a lot of like, I
• 1:03:04
  don't know, it's a lot of work to put that whole facility
• 1:03:06
  together. Apparently.
• 1:03:07
  I don't know who collected the monsters or how.
• 1:03:12
  Yeah, I don't know. Very dangerous to have like
• 1:03:15
  basically it's like a bunch of nuke.
• 1:03:17
  Like it might as well be like an arsenal of nukes collected.
• 1:03:20
  It'd be weird to have like. Guess what, some places do have
• 1:03:24
  arsenals of nukes. That's true.
• 1:03:27
  I don't know any. And neither do I.
• 1:03:31
  Right. No, Yeah.
• 1:03:33
  I'm like, I'm don't target me U.S. government, but I yeah,
• 1:03:39
  it'd be a lot of work to do all that if it wasn't real.
• 1:03:43
  So I guess that's why they're going to be like, OK, I'll I
• 1:03:45
  guess I'll take your word for it.
• 1:03:47
  I'll see. You were an alien.
• 1:03:49
  They saw alien. They were a huge fan.
• 1:03:51
  Big fan of your work so. I guess, yeah.
• 1:03:56
  Plus the pantsuit. Really convincing.
• 1:03:58
  Totally. Anyone in a pantsuit can tell no
• 1:04:00
  lies. That's actually so true.
• 1:04:03
  I forgot about that part. Yeah.
• 1:04:05
  OK, Jimmy, do we think this movie holds up?
• 1:04:08
  I do. I do too.
• 1:04:11
  I think like it's really cool to see the direction that the
• 1:04:15
  horror genre has gone since this film.
• 1:04:19
  Like I think that there are there has been this really fun
• 1:04:24
  like revitalization of slashers. There's been this really fun
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  crossover between sci-fi and horror.
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  There's been like a lot of a lot of horror films with meta
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  commentary on the horror genre itself.
• 1:04:41
  I just you know, it's not like the dumb torture porn movies
• 1:04:46
  have totally gone away, but they don't have the same from my
• 1:04:49
  perspective. They don't have the same, you
• 1:04:53
  know, no pun intended, chokehold that they did that they did on
• 1:04:58
  our culture compared to what like 2007, 2008 ish, you know,
• 1:05:05
  so I don't know. I just think like it holds up
• 1:05:08
  because it's really smart. Like the CGI is not good, but it
• 1:05:11
  doesn't really matter. It was good at the time, right?
• 1:05:15
  And but. And it wasn't important for it
• 1:05:17
  to be good. Wasn't important for it to be.
• 1:05:18
  Good. Like if if it's not perfect,
• 1:05:21
  then it's like, oh, we meant that on purpose.
• 1:05:24
  So it yeah, is a commentary on right, how bad CGI can be or
• 1:05:28
  whatever in a horror. Totally.
• 1:05:29
  Totally. Yeah, so.
• 1:05:31
  Do you think other movies actually were influenced by
• 1:05:36
  like? I haven't thought about it at
• 1:05:37
  all. Like if if anything is like
• 1:05:39
  referenced this or like changed because of it.
• 1:05:42
  I would. I'd buy it if someone told me.
• 1:05:44
  But. You know, it's hard for me to
• 1:05:47
  think of like a specific Easter egg that I've seen in other
• 1:05:52
  movies. I'm sure that like other people
• 1:05:54
  who are better versed in horror could call me out on that, but I
• 1:05:59
  think that it's more like we've gone, we've gone so far on like
• 1:06:05
  the commentary on the commentary on the commentary that that's, I
• 1:06:11
  don't know. I think it's, it's a part of
• 1:06:13
  culture beyond just horror too, that there's like always a
• 1:06:16
  commentary on a commentary on a commentary.
• 1:06:19
  And I think, yeah, like, I don't know.
• 1:06:23
  I do think it holds up. It, Yeah, it.
• 1:06:25
  It feels like a very nice way to put a button on horror movies up
• 1:06:29
  until that point, yeah. Even Even if nothing directly
• 1:06:36
  comes from like a like if they made a sequel or something
• 1:06:39
  right, it'd be very weird. Yeah, like they can't.
• 1:06:42
  Yeah, but yeah, there's nothing about it that like actually is
• 1:06:48
  problematic feeling. Nothing I clocked is like
• 1:06:52
  actually like I I guess if you really want to go crazy digging
• 1:06:58
  for something, it's like the fact that like you were saying
• 1:07:04
  earlier, like the Chris Hemsworth character, like the
• 1:07:07
  jock is like very aggressive, like trying to be like.
• 1:07:11
  But that, like even that is like meant to be pointing out that
• 1:07:15
  trope of men. Yes, yes.
• 1:07:18
  And also like his sexual aggression is engineered by the
• 1:07:23
  people at the facility, right? Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Or at least I think it's supposed to be.
• 1:07:27
  So yeah, I think. A kind of a rare find of a movie
• 1:07:33
  that has, like, nothing. Yeah.
• 1:07:34
  And even that's like, not even the construction of the movie
• 1:07:36
  itself. Right.
• 1:07:38
  They did say at some point there was there's one word.
• 1:07:44
  What was it, Celebutard? I think that probably Denise.
• 1:07:52
  Well. Yeah, it's also just a clunky
• 1:07:54
  word. Yeah.
• 1:07:56
  I'm not enticed to want to say it anyway.
• 1:07:58
  Yeah. So we'll just kind of leave it
• 1:08:00
  in 2011. Yeah, OK, cool.
• 1:08:03
  Who do they say that? I can't remember I that's all I
• 1:08:06
  wrote down was Celebi tard. Celebi Tard.
• 1:08:11
  And I believe you. And I'm so sorry for saying Oh
• 1:08:15
  my God. Oh my God.
• 1:08:16
  OK, Speaking of things aging well, have you seen Jimmy?
• 1:08:20
  This this TikTok of there's like this, this artist, this little
• 1:08:29
  maker who creates a create your own carabiner kit.
• 1:08:34
  Are you familiar? With this OK, OK.
• 1:08:36
  Oh God. You must send it to me.
• 1:08:39
  OK, so there is a there's this like sweet little gay creator
• 1:08:46
  who's like, I have this, this, I don't know, Like I don't
• 1:08:53
  actually understand the mechanisms of it, but it's a
• 1:08:57
  build your own, no. No.
• 1:09:01
  Nice. Yeah.
• 1:09:02
  Carabiner. Yeah, we can't.
• 1:09:04
  Some words we can't shorten. And and she like goes into I
• 1:09:09
  mean, she is like so amped on it, like just sweet, blissful,
• 1:09:15
  like just elated about this new, this new trick up her sleeve,
• 1:09:22
  right. And the.
• 1:09:24
  And she means it very genuinely has no idea she's saying
• 1:09:27
  something probably. Has no idea her apology video is
• 1:09:31
  so. No, she had to make one.
• 1:09:34
  It's. So earnest, Jimmy.
• 1:09:36
  But that's The thing is she's. Like I woke up.
• 1:09:38
  I woke up and I didn't know. And like, I'm so sorry.
• 1:09:42
  Like I was like, so excited, but you know, obviously, you know,
• 1:09:48
  minus the slur, like. Minus the.
• 1:09:51
  Slur. Oh my God.
• 1:09:52
  Other than the slur, I've. Shout out to shout out to Miriam
• 1:09:55
  Moreno who made me aware of this of this TikTok.
• 1:09:59
  I gotta say the the comments section is everything.
• 1:10:05
  The entire comment section is just Mexican people saying LO
• 1:10:09
  L0L 0LOL. She has no idea.
• 1:10:12
  She has no idea. But that's The thing is like she
• 1:10:18
  obviously is not saying that word ever is a slurp.
• 1:10:20
  Because she doesn't know I know. Poor thing, I mean.
• 1:10:24
  Like people who are problematic know the word they're saying is
• 1:10:28
  a problem. This like sweet naive person.
• 1:10:32
  The apology, her having an apology video is like I guess
• 1:10:35
  fine. You know, I'm glad that she she
• 1:10:38
  did it. Like she was like, I had no
• 1:10:41
  idea. And I am so sorry.
• 1:10:44
  And like, yeah, I'm just like, I'm really sorry.
• 1:10:48
  I guess, I guess she has to do it just to explain why she
• 1:10:50
  stopped saying it all of a sudden.
• 1:10:52
  Like the fight. It would be weird if she went
• 1:10:54
  from saying it all the time in every video.
• 1:10:56
  Did you say never again with no explanation?
• 1:10:58
  Yeah, yeah. If it were me, I would have also
• 1:11:02
  made an apology video. Yeah, but a lot of people saw
• 1:11:06
  the apology video before the original because the apology
• 1:11:09
  video like took off. Right.
• 1:11:11
  And then they went back and found.
• 1:11:13
  Oh, it's so, it's so funny. I was laughing myself to sleep
• 1:11:18
  last night. I was watching it like in bed
• 1:11:20
  right before I went to sleep. And it's I'm licking it up.
• 1:11:24
  OK, so. So look it up.
• 1:11:27
  Gosh, why did I bring that up? Well, because celebutard.
• 1:11:31
  Oh, yeah. It was like, there's some words
• 1:11:32
  that we need to leave in the past.
• 1:11:34
  And I was like, Oh yeah. Yeah, do you wanna say it again
• 1:11:37
  or do? You wanna like just say it one
• 1:11:39
  more time. Yeah, just for like, Hey,
• 1:11:41
  what's? A where to?
• 1:11:42
  What's a way to say a short word for carabiner like Cara?
• 1:11:47
  Yeah, yeah. OK, Jamie, I have a final game
• 1:11:51
  for us. We're gonna we're gonna run
• 1:11:53
  through this. OK, so, so listener, if you've
• 1:11:55
  heard Jimmy on this podcast before, you may be familiar with
• 1:11:59
  a game called Gay Enough. This is a game that comes from
• 1:12:02
  an inside joke about things simply being gay enough.
• 1:12:07
  And that's all the context that you're going to get.
• 1:12:09
  But this will be fun for both of us.
• 1:12:12
  OK, So the question is, is it gay enough?
• 1:12:14
  We're doing a movie franchise edition.
• 1:12:16
  Oh, OK. Is the Marvel Cinematic Universe
• 1:12:19
  gay enough? Oh, this is crazy.
• 1:12:23
  There, there's there's hot people in it.
• 1:12:28
  And that's so true. However, it is straight culture,
• 1:12:33
  almost the pinnacle of straight culture.
• 1:12:35
  It is aggressively heterosexual to me, yeah.
• 1:12:38
  Yeah, like even even if like a lot of queer people love comics,
• 1:12:43
  superheroes, etcetera, right? Find a lot of joy.
• 1:12:47
  It is engineered so specifically to be mainstream and vanilla you
• 1:12:52
  have to say it's not good enough.
• 1:12:53
  Yeah, I agree. OK, Friday the 13th.
• 1:12:59
  I mean, like I said earlier, horror kind of lends itself
• 1:13:02
  automatically. Yeah, gay.
• 1:13:06
  It could be Gayer. It will.
• 1:13:08
  It always can. Be and that's kind of the
• 1:13:10
  premise. That's kind of the premise is
• 1:13:11
  that it always can be. You know, I think that Friday
• 1:13:15
  the 13th really set us up well for the real life Friday the
• 1:13:20
  13th pop up tattoo flash sales, which are very gay.
• 1:13:28
  I'm I'm talking particularly for, you know, like gay girls
• 1:13:32
  and non binary. Right.
• 1:13:34
  Very Spencer's at the mall, kind of.
• 1:13:37
  Cultural No, I'm thinking like the I'm thinking like the oh, I
• 1:13:40
  just like got a little. I just got a little ditty on my,
• 1:13:44
  I don't know, on my leg because I'm like a cool girl.
• 1:13:48
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:13:50
  I mean, I'm happy to call it gay enough.
• 1:13:53
  OK, barely. Barely.
• 1:13:56
  OK, finally, Jurassic Park. Is Jurassic Park gay enough?
• 1:13:59
  OK, Jonathan, Bailey's in it, the new one.
• 1:14:04
  That's so true. The little glasses also.
• 1:14:10
  You know what I will say to me, being on the spectrum and also
• 1:14:17
  being queer very much go hand in hand, girl.
• 1:14:22
  Girl. Girl, look at the material.
• 1:14:25
  Wait, I want to say dinosaur content is inherently very on
• 1:14:32
  the one hand, neurodivergent Jonathan Bailey's huge plus.
• 1:14:38
  Yeah, Oh my gosh. Please don't roast me for
• 1:14:42
  freaking his name. Not is it Jeff.
• 1:14:44
  Jeff Goldblum. Yeah, thank God.
• 1:14:46
  And I knew I would remember. Also very gay and like.
• 1:14:53
  He's like a gay icon. Yeah, even though he's like a
• 1:14:55
  straight guy, he's a gay icon. Also Laura Dern, The Short
• 1:14:58
  Short. Oh, she's also a guy.
• 1:15:00
  Gay icon so. They're all of those are the gay
• 1:15:03
  parts again, like Marvel made for the mainstream straight male
• 1:15:09
  viewer, Chris. Proud of it all.
• 1:15:11
  That part too, yeah, I think it's gay enough for the people
• 1:15:16
  who know that it's gay enough. Yeah.
• 1:15:20
  And for everybody else, I think it's aggressively heterosexual.
• 1:15:23
  Totally. Also something like the
• 1:15:27
  dinosaurs coming from frog eggs and like it's like a female.
• 1:15:32
  I don't know, there's like some weird thing with like a like a
• 1:15:34
  female dinosaur, like mates with, like there's like a weird,
• 1:15:39
  there's, there's, there's frog DNA, there's frogs involved.
• 1:15:43
  For sure there's. Frogs and the frogs.
• 1:15:44
  They're making the frogs gay. Oh, that's.
• 1:15:47
  So true. So they're.
• 1:15:49
  So, so it absolutely. I mean from the from the genetic
• 1:15:52
  level, it is gay enough so the frogs are gay.
• 1:15:56
  I do think I don't know if frogs are one of them.
• 1:15:58
  Oh God, not me failing biology right now in real time.
• 1:16:01
  Oh my God, so embarrassing. There are animals that like swap
• 1:16:04
  what sex they are. Yeah.
• 1:16:06
  And I think a frog. That is frogs.
• 1:16:08
  Yeah, so there you have it. So there you have it.
• 1:16:11
  Gayer than humans can be, they can be gay in every permutation
• 1:16:16
  they want. Oh my God, that's so true.
• 1:16:18
  Yeah, there's fucks me lesbians. They can be gay.
• 1:16:23
  That's not an exhaustive list. And that is not an exhaustive
• 1:16:26
  list. But it's some of the things on
• 1:16:28
  the list, yeah. It's the L and the G.
• 1:16:31
  Right. And I don't know, I guess
• 1:16:33
  inherently that that is T also. And a little B.
• 1:16:38
  Well. But it's certainly Q plus.
• 1:16:41
  And, you know, emphasis on the plus and.
• 1:16:47
  Let's not forget the IA. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:51
  Well. Well.
• 1:16:54
  We'll include them anyway, you know, I think by definition,
• 1:16:56
  they, they, they do be fucking into you.
• 1:17:00
  I don't know. I love you.
• 1:17:01
  A sisters and brothers and pals however frogs to be fucking.
• 1:17:09
  Yeah. So I don't know if that's your
• 1:17:11
  culture. Yeah, but we don't want to
• 1:17:14
  single you out because we know that we're doing that, you know?
• 1:17:18
  Now that I've already singled you out, let me sandwich.
• 1:17:21
  I did not to single. You out?
• 1:17:22
  But oh God, we're 15 minutes over what?
• 1:17:24
  17 minutes over what? I aimed for us to be at Jimmy.
• 1:17:28
  It's it's all my fault. No, it's it's definitely mine.
• 1:17:32
  OK, thanks. Ours.
• 1:17:33
  And I was and I was fishing for that listener.
• 1:17:37
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• 1:17:39
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• 1:17:43
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• 1:17:55
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• 1:17:59
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• 1:18:01
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• 1:18:06
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• 1:18:11
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• 1:18:12
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• 1:18:37
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• 1:18:41
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• 1:18:43
  I love it. I love it.
• 1:18:44
  It's a great studio. Yeah, anytime.
• 1:18:46
  Okay, well, bye. Bye.