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MINI SCROLL (300th EPISODE): Chappell Roan & fan entitlement, Alex Cooper's $125 million deal + iPad kids take over X · Mini Scroll

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  Hi everyone. Welcome to Mini Scroll, the
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  daily Internet culture podcast bringing you the biggest stories
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  from social media, the creator economy and the digital space
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  every Monday through Thursday. I'm your host, Lauren Meisner,
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  the founder of the youth digital media brand Centennial World.
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  Welcome back to Mini Scroll everyone.
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  It is a big day here for the Infinite Scroll Mini Scroll
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  podcast because today this episode is officially my 300th
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  podcast episode. What the hell?
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  So I feel like there are a lot of new subscribers here,
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  especially on YouTube and you guys might not know the lore of
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  the podcast. I feel like there is some
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  confusion that this is like a YouTube channel as opposed to a
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  podcast. And I think that's just because,
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  you know, the whole, our whole back catalogue is not on
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  YouTube. We only started filming the
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  podcast at the beginning of last year, at the beginning of 2023.
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  And so there's like 3 full seasons in our RSS feed that is
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  not on YouTube. Please don't go back and listen.
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  It makes me want to die. It makes me want to cringe.
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  But yes. So we started this podcast in
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  February 2020. It was a weekly podcast and then
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  we went to twice weekly. And then when my Co host and
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  business partner left, I went to basically a daily podcast five
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  days a week and that was this year.
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  So it has been such an evolution, such a journey and it
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  feels a bit bittersweet. I was talking about this on my
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  TikTok and my Instagram. Follow me on Instagram, please
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  at Lauren Meisner under score, But I was talking about this on
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  those platforms because I remember when we hit 100, say a
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  million, I wish when we hit 100 episodes and it was so exciting.
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  We actually threw like a dinner for some of you guys in Sydney
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  and you came and we treated you to this like beautiful dinner at
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  Chin Chin. And it was just like such an
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  exciting moment. And if you had asked that girl
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  then where the podcast and the business would be at 300
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  episodes, I would have said somewhere so different than
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  where I actually am. So it is difficult, I think,
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  sometimes to reflect on these milestones because it feels like
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  I'm not at the place that I wish that I was, Like, I wish the
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  business. So this is like an arm of my
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  business. I own a media brand.
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  It can be hard to look at some of the podcasts that do similar
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  coverage, whether they're in Australia or internationally and
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  see, you know, how successful they are and kind of of course,
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  like, compare and just be like, OK, I've been doing this for
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  five years. Like, how have we not had our
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  big break yet? And part of it is that for the
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  first three full seasons reasons, we had no marketing or
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  distribution plan. Like I said, we didn't film it.
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  So we didn't have clips on TikTok.
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  We didn't have clips on YouTube, we didn't have full videos on
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  YouTube. So anyways, that's just a bit of
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  a tangent there. But yes, so this is my 300th
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  episode and I'm so thankful to all of you guys, whether you've
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  been here for years or you're a new listener for like sticking
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  it out with me, figuring out kind of the new vibe of this
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  podcast, rolling with the punches.
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  We've had a lot of changes, not just this year, but like over
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  the course of all the seasons, we've had many changes and
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  evolutions and I'm just really grateful for all of you guys.
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  Also, I should note, I know you guys on YouTube that watch on
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  YouTube really liked the background that I had yesterday,
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  but I just like could not figure out the lighting and it is a
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  sunny day today. So I was like, I just need to
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  capitalize on this big window and the sun and just go back to
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  my bedroom and do it where I was doing it before.
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  But I also have a couple other housekeeping things to let you
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  guys know about. The 1st is that I have a very
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  exciting sponsorship coming up and I would love if you guys
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  would support it. It would help me and the
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  business so much because I'm so excited about the sponsorship.
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  It is for the app carted this so is not sponsored by them, but
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  they have sponsored the deep dive on Friday and we have a
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  tick tock campaign going live over the next couple weeks with
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  them, but I'll put the link down below.
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  If you guys are interested in downloading the app after you
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  listen to the ad and you kind of learn more about it, please use
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  our link instead of just going into the App Store because it
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  really, really helps us out. It is like a practical Pinterest
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  board basically like all the influencers are using it and
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  posting about it. It's literally like A wish list
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  app where you can curate different like aesthetics and
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  boards for like what you want to buy.
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  And then you can put those exact links from the stores in them.
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  So you can curate like let's say you're like vacation wardrobe or
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  whatever. You can see how much everything
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  costs and then you get like notifications and things like
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  that when like the prices drop and whatever It's really cool.
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  So anyways, so if you guys are interested said please use our
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  link. Again, this particular episode
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  is not sponsored, but I just wanted to let you guys know
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  about that link. OK.
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  And the last thing that I wanted to mention is obviously I'm here
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  visiting my parents in Canada right now and then I go to
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  Europe next Thursday because one of my best friends is getting
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  married in Italy. So Sean and I are going over for
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  a two week Europe trip and I'm taking those two weeks off and
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  I'm a little bit like overwhelmed by it, but I think
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  it'll be good. Like I really need a break.
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  Like I really need a break. So I'm hoping that I can like
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  actually properly relax. However, that means there won't
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  be time for like a full deep dive next Friday.
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  So there'll still be a deep dive this Friday coming up, but next
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  Friday because I leave on Thursday, I won't have capacity
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  to get like a typical like big deep dive up.
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  So I was thinking either we could just have no episode or if
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  you guys want AQ and AI could do AQ and a because that would
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  require a lot less editing from my editor.
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  So I could get that up and like schedule it in time for me to,
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  you know, have it up before I leave.
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  So let me know if you guys want AQ and AI can do one and let me
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  know what questions If so, maybe put them in the comments or just
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  DM me. You can DM infinite scroll.
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  You can DM my Instagram. So yes, all right, I have three
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  stories for you guys today. The first one, we have to talk
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  about this. Chapel Roan has opened up about
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  fans crossing her boundaries yet again in a new TikTok series.
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  So yesterday, Chapel Roan posted two TikTok videos about how
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  uncomfortable it makes her when fans approach her in public, ask
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  for photos, or cross like certain boundaries with her.
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  I need you to answer questions. Just answer my questions for a
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  second. If you saw a random woman on the
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  street, would you yell at her from the car window?
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  Would you harass her in public? Would you go up to a random lady
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  and say, can I get a photo with you?
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  And she's like, no, what the fuck?
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  And then you get mad at this random lady.
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  Would you be offended if she says no to your time?
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  I'm a random bitch. You're a random bitch.
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  Just think about that for a second, OK?
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  I don't care that abuse and harassment, stalking, whatever
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  is a normal thing to do to people who are famous or a
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  little famous, whatever. I don't care that it's normal.
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  I don't care that this crazy type of behavior comes along
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  with the job, the career field I've chosen.
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  That does not make it OK. That doesn't make it normal.
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  I don't. Doesn't mean I want it, doesn't
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  mean that I like it. I don't want whatever the fuck
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  you think you're supposed to be entitled to whenever you see a
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  celebrity. Chapel has opened up about how
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  she doesn't like this element of fame before in different
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  interviews, especially over the last few months when her fame
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  has really risen. However, while she was in the
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  middle of kind of her star rising, I actually did see
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  something, I think it was maybe on Reddit where somebody was
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  talking about how this is like an ongoing thing with Chapel.
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  So like and they weren't saying it in a negative way, but they
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  were just saying it's like well known in and her like OG fanbase
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  that even before she was anywhere close to like as famous
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  as she is now, she would constantly ask her fans not to
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  approach her in public, especially because Chapel is
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  like a drag persona for her. It's like an art project.
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  And so her kind of everyday self, Kaylee doesn't want to be
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  approached by fans. So it's definitely like a
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  running thing with her. So the reception to these videos
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  has been very mixed. Some people feel like just off
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  the bat, this is like the beginning of the end that we are
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  going to see of Chapel Roan, which would be very, very sad.
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  I really hope that's not the case.
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  But it feels like she's already getting pushed to a point so
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  early in her career of just being fed up with fame all
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  together. And she's talked about just like
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  going off grid, like she talked about on Drew follows podcast,
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  how she just wants to like, or how she she said when it gets to
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  the point where she's so famous that her friends and family are,
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  I'm not sure if she said like shouldn't say put in danger, but
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  if like they're getting messages and harassed and if it's just
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  not fun, she would stop doing it.
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  And she was like, I'm at that point.
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  So some people feel like that could be a very real
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  possibility. And then of course, there are
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  some people who feel like that reaction and that sentiment that
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  she has towards fans is kind of entitled.
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  Like it's entitled for her to not want fan interaction.
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  And then others are defending her because of how toxic standom
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  culture can be. I think there's always of course
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  an element of like required interaction with fans.
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  It's not a one way St. when you are a public figure and you are
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  asking people to support you by spending their money, their
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  time, their energy, traveling, things like that.
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  You know, like of course there is an element where you need to
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  give something to them too. And unfortunately just in the
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  realm of celebrity that is not always just your art.
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  Like there does need to be some type of like give and take.
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  However, I think that the exposure that social media and
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  particularly TikTok subjects modern day artists to has really
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  increased fan entitlement lately.
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  And I also think that at the height of paparazzi culture in
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  the 90s and 2000s, a lot of celebrities probably felt this
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  exact same way as Chapel, but they didn't have a Direct Line
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  to their fans to express that. And like, Chapel's not the only
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  celebrity that we've ever seen, you know, take to TikTok or
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  Twitter or whatever and be like, leave me alone.
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  Like Doja Cat, you know, has done that many times.
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  It's like it's like a thing that's happening and I think
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  sometimes it gets chalked up to like, oh, these Gen.
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  Z faves or these younger stars just don't get it.
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  They don't want to play the game.
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  It's like that Gen. Z kind of like label.
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  Everybody's like, oh, they have all these boundaries and
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  whatever. But I think there's so much more
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  to it than that. I think fan entitlement is at an
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  all time peak because of platforms like TikTok.
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  And because of platforms like TikTok, these celebrities have
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  an opportunity to clap back. I am sure that there were
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  celebrities having having mental breakdowns all the time about
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  fan behavior and entitlement and stalking and things like that,
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  but we just didn't see it because they couldn't have it.
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  To us. There was always that layer of
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  media protection there between a celebrity and a fan base.
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  And then from the fan perspective, I do think there's
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  this like, weird protectiveness with a lot of parasocial
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  relationships developed online, and it almost makes their fan
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  entitlement worse. So I find that a lot of fandoms
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  for Gen. Z stars really infantilize those
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  stars. They really infantilize the
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  celebrities that they stand, including Chapel.
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  Like she speaks out about being uncomfortable with fame and
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  overwhelmed by certain elements of it.
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  And her stands almost go like overboard to protect her.
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  And it's as if she's like this fragile, like little girl that
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  can't, you know, handle the limelight so that they swoop
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  into like, save the day. And they're like the real fans
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  because they actually know her and they actually have her best
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  interest at heart. Like they are there to keep her
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  safe. But that protectiveness also
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  makes them have sometimes even more inappropriate behavior
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  towards that celebrity because like they feel special as the
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  fan. It's like they feel like Chapel
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  isn't speaking to them. Like they are not the crazy fans
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  that she's talking about. It's like the other ones who are
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  like not real fans and like don't actually know her and
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  wouldn't understand that she's like overwhelmed by this type of
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  attention. So they almost feel like they
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  have this free pass. And I'm not sure if it's
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  conscious or not. Like I don't know if they
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  realize that they're doing it, but they're acting as if they
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  have this free pass because they're one of the chosen ones.
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  Like they're one of the good ones when really like they are
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  the ones that she is speaking to.
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  I think at the end of the day, I feel really bad for her.
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  I think regardless of where you sit on, like, if it's entitled
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  to feel that way or if the fans are too rabid and crazy, like
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  whatever your opinion on this is, I think at the end of the
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  day, it's very clear that one of the most popular or like fastest
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  rising artists right now in the world is struggling so much.
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  And we're watching it happen. And she's telling us
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  consistently. And it does make me question
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  like who she has around her in terms of her team.
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  I saw some people say, like, you know, is it possible that
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  artists and celebrities, especially because of the rise
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  of TikTok and social media, like they're just not as media
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  trained and that's protected from these elements of like
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  rapid fame as previously? And I'm not sure, but I really
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  hope that whatever she's going through, she gets through it.
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  I hope that the fans, if they are, like, stalking her and
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  being crazy and really invading her space, like it just leave
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  her alone. Like she's telling you she
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  doesn't like it. OK, The next story that I have
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  for you guys is that Alex Cooper has inked a $125 million podcast
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  deal with SiriusXM. So after weeks of rumors that
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  Alex Cooper was looking for a $100 million deal following her
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  Spotify exclusive contract, it has been confirmed via Variety
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  that SiriusXM is ready to pay up.
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  So according to the publication, the deal will run a little over
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  three years starting in 2025. They also got reports that the
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  deal was closer to $100 million for three years as opposed to
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  125. But either way, she got that.
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  What is that, like 9 figures? Whatever, she got that big
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  payday. I'm bad enough.
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  So we'll start in 2025 because Alex's $60 million Spotify deal
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  for three years will end in December of this year.
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  So, as per Variety quote, SiriusXM will have exclusive
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  rights for advertising, distribution, content, events,
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  and more for Cooper's flagship Call Her Daddy podcast, as well
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  as the lineup of shows from her Unwell Audio network.
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  Call Her Daddy will continue to be available to Spotify
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  listeners. So I would say that this seems
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  like Sirius is really trying to take over Spotify's place in
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  like the podcasting world. I don't think they've been as
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  aggressive about it in the sense of like doing it all at once.
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  Like there was just like this year or two, there felt like
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  Spotify was just like grabbing up like every big podcast that
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  they could and spending so much money.
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  And we know that they've kind of changed course, like they've
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  kind of changed their strategy and they're getting rid of that
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  like true exclusive type of opportunity, it seems.
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  And obviously they're not renewing some of these bigger
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  contracts and stuff. So it feels like Sirius is
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  almost trying to like fill that gap, but in a longer term, like
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  more sustainable way. Recently, Sirius acquired
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  several huge podcasts, obviously call her Daddy.
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  They acquired Smartless Crime Junkie.
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  So definitely trying to compete in the audio space.
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  All right, in the last right that I have for you guys is just
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  like an interesting tech culture youth story, iPad kids are
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  taking over Twitter. So new data by parental control
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  research firm Custodio found that 31% of Gen. alphas aged 7
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  to 9 have a Twitter account. OK.
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  And I'm thinking it's in the US because I think that this study
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  that they did or this like this data that they collected, sorry,
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  they did it via software, not by like respondents.
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  I think it was US based. But either way, that is a
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  massive number. Comparatively, the same data
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  found that 28% are on Reddit and 26% are on Facebook.
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  So X is the highest. The firm theorizes this might be
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  because Twitter is ingrained in Google search.
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  So when kids Google things basically on their tablets, you
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  know, iPad, kids, whatever, they get X results and they click
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  through and then they're kind of in the feed, right?
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  So then they make an account. As per TechCrunch quote.
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  Meanwhile, parents often think of X as an older app, so they
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  may not block it or restrict it as they do with other social
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  media apps like Tiktok or Snapchat.
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  Unfortunately, parents ignorance could leave their kids to be
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  exposed to inappropriate content.
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  The report noted that X could expose these younger kids to
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  hate speech, pornography, and disinformation, pointing to
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  reports that indicate that 13% of all X posts feature adult
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  content. I mean yes, I actually think
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  like I hate a fear mongering moment and I think there is way
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  too much of that online. But I do think that children
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  being on X, especially after Elon Musk's takeover is so bad.
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  Like definitely they should not be exposed to X Kids that are 7
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  should not be seeing what is happening on X.
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  It is like the depths of hell on that app.
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  Anyways guys that's it for mini scroll today.
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  That is it for my 300th episode. It is crazy to say that, so
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  thank you so much for listening. Please remember to rate, review
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  Bye.