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Inside The Data: Examining Eagles Performance Vs. NFL's Elite Pass Rushers · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome back to another episode of Inside the Data
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on Inside the Birds, and of course I'm Jeff Boscher
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alongside the data expert, the analytics man, Sam Finkle. What
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is it that one of our readers once called you
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analytics guy? Yeah, yeah, a question for the analytics guy
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when you are the analytics guy, Sam. And we have
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two more good questions that we've gotten submitted to Inside
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the Birds at gmail dot com for you. And what
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I think we're going to do is be able to
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answer these questions and then sort of turn the page
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in the next few additions Inside the Data to this
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year's team because the questions are obviously that we're getting
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are still from last year and that's great. Won the
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Super Bowl. People want to relive that. But pretty soon
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we'll start to formulate some ideas of some good analytical
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projects for the twenty twenty five Philadelphia Eagles.
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Speaker 2: That sounds like I'm very excited for that for sure. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Now the Eagles are in the middle of training camp
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and it's hard right now, right Sam, because you know,
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it's hard to do analytical stuff until we know exactly
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who's playing what position and we can concretely say, you
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know what they might look like in twenty twenty five,
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but for now, there's some good competition going on. Have
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you been following.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and thanks to you and the other people
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at Inside the Birds, there's some great content and great coverage,
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so definitely keep looking at that stuff.
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Speaker 1: All right, good stuff, Thank you, and please continue to
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submit questions for Sam at inside the Birds at gmail
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dot com. So, Sam, our first question is about last
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year and specifically how the Eagles did against top pass rushers. Well,
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we know the Eagles won the Super Bowl. We know
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the Eagles had the number one defense, so on the surface,
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we can probably say they did pretty well. And we
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also know they had one of the best, if not
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the best offensive lines in the sport, so we could
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probably surmise it did pretty well against the top pass rushers.
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But it is always good to go deeper inside the numbers,
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right and see exactly how well they did. So I
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will in a second bring up the screen of the
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charts that you put together and we will start to
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take the scalpel and fourceps to it. All right, So
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this was a little bit subjective, right, and we you
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and I collaborated and said, well, top ten pass rusher
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is a very subjective kind of category, so you and
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I had to pick out some of the best ones.
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So how did you go about deciding which ones you
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were going to take too?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even before that, I think it's important
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to understand the process that I didn't just look at
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the offensive line, because you know, these pass rushers didn't
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always go against the same guys. So when we talked
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about it, we decided that the best approach was to
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look at how these pass rushers performed, and we talked
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about doing win rate, and so I went in PFF
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and I looked at the win rate, and then I
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realized they don't have individual game win rates, right, So
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I had to make an audible on that. Uh, and
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I decided to just look at how they produced on
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average throughout the season, and then look at that compared
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to how they produced versus the Eagles in that one game. Nice,
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and then to decide who makes the top pass rushers.
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I looked at who generated the most sacks and who
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generated the most pressures, and I just picked among that list.
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There were a couple guys that arguably could have been
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chosen as well, but I think I have a pretty
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good mix of you know, ones that are considered the
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top generational pass rushers right now on the edge, and
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then a couple a couple of young guys too, So
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sure it makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I know to your point, and we'll get
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to him in a second. If you go look at
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the stats per se for Jared Verse, who was a
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rookie last year, I think he only had a few sacks.
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Nothing's going to jump out at you're like, oh my god,
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this is twelve and a half sacks, like Micah Parsons. Guy,
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But I think you have more sacks in the playoffs
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right than in the actual regular season. And by the
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time the playoffs came along, this man had become a force.
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And I think he's going to be a really good
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ed rusher and a good player this year coming up.
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So I believe he is on this list correct.
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Speaker 2: He is a great example of one of the young
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guys that i'd You're right, it's going to be a
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problem for years to come.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So let's go through some of the guys that
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you chose, And obviously we start with Trey Hendrickson of
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the Bengals, right one of the just annual year in
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year out top pass rushers in the league. It's sort
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of amazing that the Bengals haven't figured out how to
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pay him, considering that he's like literally their only good
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defensive player. But that's not for a discussion for us.
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Our discussion is how the Eagles fare against him. And
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before we get into it, I believe you have it marked. Yeah,
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this is the game. I believe Fred Johnson had to
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start at left tackle, I think in place of Jordan
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Mylotta if I'm.
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Speaker 2: Not there were a couple games where that happened. Actually,
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so the Jaguars game that happened and then one of
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the Cowboys games that happened to I'm not sure if
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that happened for the Bengals game.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I thought he had played in the Bengals game,
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but I also could be wrong. I'll go tackle. Yeah
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he did, Okay, started. I just don't remember if it
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was at left or right tackle. But he played one
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hundred percent of the offensive snaps in that game.
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Speaker 2: So all right, that's more impressive then.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So let's go through this data and tell
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us what the charts. For those who were watching at
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home or those who are listening, I'm sorry those were
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watching see this chart. So those who are listening, why
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don't Sam you break down the two, four, six, eight
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categories here that you've chosen.
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Speaker 2: Sure, So the categories chosen were sacks, sack percentage, which
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is just you know, sacks over total pass rush attempts,
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quarterback pressures, quarterback pressure percents, which is again is just
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the percent of pressures over pass rush attempts, time to sack,
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time to pressure, quick quarterback pressures, or just quarterback pressures
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under three seconds and get off, which is until they
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cross the line scrimmage. Right, pretty easy standard metrics.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I really appreciate that you isolate sack
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percentage from sacks because I mean, look at a team
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like the Eagles that this year especially right, they could
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have three or four different guys in past rushing roles,
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and you know, the number of sacks may not be
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as impressive as your sack percentage because as you could
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be playing far fewer snaps than say Micah Parsons, who's
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you know, doesn't come off the field a lot of times.
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So I think that is a more impressive or it
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can be a more impressive indicator of the type of
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pressure and sacks that you're creating.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I agree, and that's hopefully it'll give a
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good indication of how these guys actually fared in their
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one game. Now that being said, again, this is it's
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some of these analysis that analysis that are just you know,
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they're one game aren't always indicative of you know, a
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great representation of you know, the actual ability. So that
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being said, I do want to caveat that these kind
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of analyzes it's still very fun and still good to do,
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and it's good to pull you know, small samples from
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you know, a big, bigger field of work. So it's
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it'll still be good analysis, but you know it, one
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game is hard to say that this is representative of
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how they actually would perform always against the Eagles.
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Speaker 1: That makes sense, of course, of course, Yeah, this is
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and that's why I think we chose, you know, several
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pass rushers to not just not just go off one
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game even though it's one game per pass rusher. Sure,
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you've also done a good job of giving what these
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pass rushers done against the NF the rest of the
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NFL on average, But we can only go with the
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data that we're giving.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, so what.
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Speaker 1: Do we learn about him? I'm sorry, ahead you're gonna.
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Speaker 2: What I was gona say, it's the regular season data. That's
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the right thing I wanted to god. But if you
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look at Trey Hendrickson, you know, I think a good
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way to start with this is how he fared against
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the NFL. Right, So he's he averaged one point zero
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six sacks per game and a clip of three point
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six percent. He averaged five point four to one quarterback
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pressures at a clip of eighteen point nine percent. Uh.
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It took him about four point one seven seconds on
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average to time to sack and only two point six
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seconds in time to pressure. Uh. He averaged two point
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seven to one quick quarterback pressures per game and his
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get off was zero point seventy three.
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Speaker 1: Wow. You know, these are really good numbers that people will,
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I think find even more impressive as we go along,
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because he is the only main pass rusher that the
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Bengals have. I mean, they drafted Schmarstewar, who knows about
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this coming year, right, but last year he's the guy
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that everybody drew the circle around. And we'll look at
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some other players, Parsons, Garrett TJ. Watt, who you can
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say there are some pretty good interior and exterior rushers
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around this guy. But for the Bengals, it's really just
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him and some of his percentages are up there, if
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not better than some of the guys I mentioned.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And if you look at his statistics versus
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the Eagles, it's kind of impressive what the Eagles offensive
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line did, especially with Fred Johnson having to start. So
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if you look, he didn't get a sack, so obviously
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there's no sack percentage, and he had two quarterback pressures
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at a rate of twelve point five percent, which again
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is lower than what he averaged at five point four
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to one and eighteen point nine percent. Obviously there's no
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time to sack. You don't get a sack, and his
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time and pressure was the same. It was two point
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six no quick QB pressure, so nothing, no pressures under
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three seconds, which is impressive because again his time to
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pressure was two point six, so you would think that
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it would under that it would be that, but it
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just means like on average, he had one that was fast,
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but it wasn't, you know, considered even a pressure and
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his get off was zero point seven to two, which
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actually was faster, so it's even more impressive that he
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was he played faster, he got across the lines fromage faster,
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and yet it only kept him to two pressures.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is impressive. He got his get off was faster,
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and his time to pressure was the same as it
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was against the rest of the league for that for
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last year, and yet he was not able to create
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a pressure or I'm sorry, he wasn't able to create
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more than two pressures, which is uh and his pressure
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percentage was lower. So that speaks to a probably the
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offensive line, especially with a backup and be probably Jalen
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Hurts being able to know where he's at and getting
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rid of the ball before the pressure can be created.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually like it's it's a little bit statistically
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impossible that his quick keep pressure wouldn't be one. So
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I'm thinking that the source data may have been wrong.
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That was when NFL Pro because if you think about it,
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is if his time to pressure is the same, a
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quick quick quarterback pressure is just under three seconds, right,
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So he had one pressure that was longer and one
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that was shorter, So his quick quarterback pressure probably should
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be one. But I just I went off of what
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NFL Pro had on the on the numbers.
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Speaker 1: But he averages close to three per game, so even
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one is a pretty you know, with a backup, is
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a pretty good job by the Eagles.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, it's still better, but I do want to point
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that out, that that that's what it probably should be.
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But again, I can't make up numbers, and I'm not
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going to.
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Speaker 1: So fair enough, fair enough, So let's move on to
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Miles Garrett, who was arguably the best pass ed rusher
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in the NFL, just signed a huge deal in the
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offseason that made him the sports highest highest play player
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I think, or defensive end until like TJ. Watt just
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signed one. So let's go with Miles Garrett and compare
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him how he diversed the Eagles versus the NFL.
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Speaker 2: Sure versus the NFL, he averaged zero point eight two
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sacks per game, three point one percent of his plays
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for sacks, four point nine to four QB pressures per game,
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eighteen point six percent pressure rate. His time to sack
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was four point one and his time to pressure was
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two point eight one and he was averaging two point
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three five quick quarterback pressures per game, again under three seconds,
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and his get off was zero point seven, which is
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even faster than Trey Hendrickson, right.
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Speaker 1: But however, as I was saying before, some of these statistics,
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he was a little Hendrickson in like sack percentage and
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pressure percentage, which similar situation though where Garrett on that
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defensive line was the only guy that people were really
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really scared about. They have some decent rushers, but nothing
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like him, and so he still puts up pretty good numbers.
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But it just showed you how Trey Hendrickson really sometimes
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flies under the radar, but it's just as good as
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anyone out there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. And then Garrett versus the Eagles, zero sacks,
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zero percent. Obviously, he had one more QB pressure than
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Hendrickson at three, and his quarterback pressure rate was much
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higher at sixteen point seven, but still lower than his
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average Obviously zero time to sack. His time to pressure
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was actually faster than his league average, so it was
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two point three to two point eight one, which is
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the only category at which he did better against the
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Eagles than against the rest of the NFL. He had
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two quick quarterback pressures and his get off was slower
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as zero point seventy four, which is still pretty fast,
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by the way. Yeah, pretty mean.
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Speaker 1: This is the guy who is considered the best that
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the league's position, and he didn't have a sack, a
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couple of pressures but less than the five that he
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averages per game, and a lower percentage of percentage of pressure.
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So they did a pretty good job. And this is
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the game, by the way, where I believe it was
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Lane who got hurt and then Fred Johnson came in
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because this game occurred first on the schedule. I know
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that Fred Johnson played thirteen snaps in that game, and
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then he started the next week against the Giants and
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the Bengals and the Jags Wars, then the than the Cowboys.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, again, that's even more impressive.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let us look at the next two guys,
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and these are some some big guns right here, Micah
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Parsons and TJ.
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Speaker 2: Watt. Yes, And I know originally we almost didn't put
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t J. Watt on here, but I looked at it
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and he played enough snaps where I thought it was
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justified to keep him on here.
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Speaker 1: Right, So this is that he'll be one where sack
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percentage might be more because he didn't play the entire
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game or he played limited snaps against the Eagles, right.
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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, I think he got hurt either in the
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third fourth quarter, so it wasn't as it wasn't as
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bad as originally anticipated. Regardless, Let's get into Micah first. Okay,
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So Micah only played thirteen games this season, so I
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think that's an important understanding going into looking at him.
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But in those thirteen games, he's average zero point nine
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to two sacks at a clip of three point one percent.
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His QB pressures were five point seven to seven with
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a clip of nineteen point one percent. His time to
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sack was four point eight, his time to pressure was
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two point seventy four, his quick quarterback pressures were two
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point five four game, and his get off was zero
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point seven to seven mm hm. And just those compared
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to the other guys, you know, he's right up there
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with them on all pretty much every stat.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just in Michael Parsons is good. He's
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a good player. That sack the three point one, I
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mean that's right up there with right Garrett, a little
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bit lower than than Hendrickson. And the point nine two,
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which is like a sack of game, is even better
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than Garrett's. So good stuff.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's pretty impressive for sure, and hopefully the
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Cowboys can't figure out how to pay him.
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Speaker 1: So but against the Eagles, how did he do comparatively?
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Speaker 2: So here's what's interesting. Obviously, he played two games against
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the Eagles, so you had to kind of look at,
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you know, his numbers and divide them by two, and
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so you have one point oh sacks, which means he
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had two sacks against them. So everything was you know,
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his average, His sack percent was five point four percent.
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His QB pressure was four, which means it was eight.
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His QB uh, you know, pressure percentage was twelve point
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five percent. His time to sack was four point eight three,
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his time and pressure was two point five to nine.
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He had two quick quarterback pressures, means he had four
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and his get off was zero point seven to six
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in both games, right, and so if you look at those,
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you know, it's it's pretty actually pretty even.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: He had more sacks than average against the Eagles and
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higher clip, but he had less quarterback pressures at a
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lower clip. His time to sack was a little was
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a little bit slower, which was better for the Eagles,
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but his time to pressure was quicker, which was obviously worse.
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And then his he had less quick quarterback pressures than
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he did against average teams, and his get off was
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almost the same. He was a little bit faster, right,
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And then I went back and I watched his two
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sacks and they both were against Fred Johnson.
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Speaker 1: Ah, there you go, So I mean, this is a
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really good job. Then against Michael Parsons, one of the
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best in the league. I particularly think the percentage here
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is that it took his sack was one. It was
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at five point four percent, right, Yeah, his normal one
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is three point one percent, So that to me is
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a pretty dramatic drop. And then you have a two
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game sample, not even just a one game sample. So
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they did a pretty good job against him, kept him lower,
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way lower on the quarterback pressure percentage from nineteen down
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to twelve and a half. Right, even though he had
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a little bit faster of a get off, and even
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though his time to pressure was a little lower, So
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when he did cause a pressure, he was causing a
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faster normal but his number of pressures or overall percentage
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of them were far lower against the Eagles and the
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rest of the league.
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Speaker 2: Great well said, for sure, not even sure if Fred
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Johnson was credited on the sack. By the way, because
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what he did is he started with him and then
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he rushed inside and just cleaned up basically on both sacks. Actually,
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it was really interesting.
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Speaker 1: Glad you brought that up. This is why when we
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were discussing how to go a go for this, we
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didn't want to do sort of win rate versus lineman, right,
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because that could take forever and because of twisting and
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stunting and a lot of these guys are always on
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the move. So we evaluated it as an offensive line
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as a whole against a pass rusher, which I thought
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was the better way to do.
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Speaker 2: It, absolutely all right, Great t J.
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Speaker 1: Watt, who, as you said, got injured door than game,
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but he still played roughly three quarters, so we have
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enough of a sample size to see how he did.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely so against you know, the NFL. He averages zero
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point six y' eight sacks per game, which is the
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lowest we've seen so far, at a sack percent of
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two point two percent. He had averaged two point eighty
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eight quarterback pressures per game at a rate of nine
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point four percent. His time to sack was four point
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five to nine, His time to pressure was three point
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oh five. He averaged one point six quick quarterback pressures
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and his get off was zero point eight three, which
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again is the worst out pretty much on all them
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that we've seen, right, right, and yet he gave the
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Eagles a lot of trouble. He did, and if you look,
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he wins on five categories against the Eagles. He wins
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in sacks, sack percentage, QB pressures, QB pressure percent time
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to sack.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, his sack percentage is a big Then again,
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it's just one game and not even a full game,
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so this can be skewed by just having three straight
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really good pass rushes in a row. And I think
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do we say, was anybody hurting this game?
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Speaker 2: I I'm not sure. I know Goddard was not playing,
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which if you want to do that as a part
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of it.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a huge part of it. I do remember
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this because they did play a lot of twelve personnel
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against the Steelers. They came out and did a lot
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of hurry up in that game. And I think it
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is because kal Katara in forgot or we know his
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blocking isn't great and he was asked at times to
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have to standalone block on TJ Watt.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually both sacks involved Cal Katara. Well, I watched them,
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and cal Katara and Game Well both chipped him on
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a play and then Lane went for cover up, but
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Jalen stepped up in the pocket and Lane isn't credited
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for the sack because you know, the quarterback moved up
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in the pocket and that was where the sack happened.
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The second sack was cal Katara chip and then Lane
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went to support it, and then he just got around Lane.
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And honestly, I think the sack was probably credited against
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Jalen because he just held the ball for way longer
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than you probably needed to in that situation. Yeah, but yeah,
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that's that's the circumstances by how the sacks actually happened.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, this is a good time to
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notice that note before we moved the next one, that
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Jalen Hurts took a ridiculous number of sacks for a
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winning quarterback and a team that won the Super Bowl
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last year. I have the numbers in front of me.
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It was the most of his career in terms of
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not only sacks, which was thirty eight that actually ties
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for the most, but his sack percentage was nine point
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five to two, which was I think the fourth highest
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amongst starting quarterbacks in the league, and way higher than
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his career average of seven point two to two. So
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he did a phenomenal job of holding onto the ball
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when he got sacked. But just because we always say
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off sacks aren't always an offensive line stat. In some cases, yes,
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like Calcatera misses a chip, that's bad, or game Will
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can't hold his pass protection that's bad. But also some
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of the best pass rushers didn't do well against the Eagles,
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even though Hurts took an absurd number of sacks, which
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to itself is pretty amazing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think maybe one day in the offseason
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next year, maybe we can go into why certain sacks
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are credited against offensive linemen and why they're not. That
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might be a fun exercise. But like you said, we're
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gonna go back into twenty twenty five content soon, So.
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Speaker 1: Right, all right, we're gonna we'll go to Jared Verse.
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And like I was saying before, this guy is a
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guy who really heated up in the playoffs, more so
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in the regular season. So some of his regular season numbers.
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May you may look at this chart if you're watching
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and say, why are you using this guy? You know,
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compared to Micah Parsons. But this guy's gonna be the
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real deal, so we threw them on the list.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, his bread and butter for the regular
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season was pressures rather than sacked. So, I mean, he
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just got to finish, and he did finish obviously in
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the playoff run, and he probably will that sack percentage
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will go up way higher in the upcoming season.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: That's wow.
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Speaker 1: That pressure percentage is pretty good. As I look at
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it now and I go back and look at some
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of the others, it's it's pretty darn good for a rookie.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's pretty impressive. So he had zero point
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three to five sacks per game, one percent sack rate.
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His quarterback pressure was four point four to seven with
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the sixteen point eight percent clip, which is the one
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we were saying was impressive. His time to sack was
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four point sixty six, his time to pressure was two
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point eight. He averaged one point five to nine quick
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quarterback pressures, and his get off was zero point eight three.
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All right, and against the Eagles, Eagles managed to keep
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him to zero sacks, one pressure, five point three percent
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of you know, the rate, zero time to sack. His
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time to pressure was significantly faster than his average time
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to pressure at one point nine, and obviously it's a
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quick quarterback pressure. But his get off was the same
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as his average.
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Speaker 1: Right, so his time to pressure was really just from
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that one pressure because only had one. Yeah, right, so
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it just happened to be a really good pressure on
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that Who knows what happened. It could have been like
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a play action where he was right there. We have
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no idea, But the point is it's a very small
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sample size on that time of pressure.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, all right. Didn't want to forget a guy who
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often flies under the radar, Josh Heinz Allen, so we
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can no longer have to confuse him with the quarterback
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Josh Allen. Do you remember the game where they played
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against each other and Josh Allen sacked Josh Allen.
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Speaker 2: I do remember that. That is awesome on the stat
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sheet too, right.
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Speaker 1: I think they were in the same draft also, if
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I'm not mistaken, Yeah, I think so.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is hilarious.
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Speaker 1: It is, But Josh Heines Allen is one of the
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better sort of under discussed pass rushers in the league
25:35
every year.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he was talked about a lot during
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his rookie season and maybe his second season, and then
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it just kind of fell off, even though his play
25:42
has been pretty decent.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so what would we see from him against the rest.
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Speaker 2: Of the NFL. So he's averaging a sack every other
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game zero point five quarterback pressure is four point one
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nine quarterback pressure percent fourteen point nine percent, time to
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sack four point sixty three time to pressure three seconds,
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averaging zero point eight one quick quarterback pressures per game
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and this get off with zero point eight five. Now,
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interestingly enough, I believe this is Yeah, it is the
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absolute like best performance against the Eagles. So it was
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him or TJ. Watt, But he beats TJ. Watt by
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one category. TJ Watt only one five of the eight,
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you know, Josh heinz Allen won six of the eight. Yeah,
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And I looked at both his sacks two one was
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against Fred Johnson and one was against Calcatara.
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Speaker 1: Man, Like, the answers to the tests are there sometimes, right,
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I mean, that's great extra work by you to figure
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out where those pressures came from or where some of
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them came from. And that's a big difference when you're
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comparing it versus Jordan Malatta and Dallas Goddard. And you know, yes,
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the EU was won a Super Bowl. It's great and
26:56
they were able to overcome their deficiencies. But they kind
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of why this year in camp they are really honed
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in on trying to find good backup offensive linemen because
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in general, Fred Johnson did a good job. It's certainly
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no shame to give up a sack to Josh Allen
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er a pressure, but Grant Calcutta has really hurt them
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at times in the blocking game. And you know, they
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brought in a bunch of different tight ends and they
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have a guy like e. J. Jenkins who's two hundred
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and sixty pounds I believe to fifty something like that,
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converted a wide receiver, big wide receiver as a tight
27:26
end and have worked with him on blocking.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And if you just want to look at
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these stats really quickly, it was two sacks against the
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Eagles that we just talked about. Eight point seven percent
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quarterback pressure is four which was less than his average.
27:44
Very close though, seventeen point four percent quarterback pressure rate,
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which is higher than his average. His time to sack
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was four point five to seven, which was faster. His
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time to pressure was two point eight eight, which was faster.
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No quick, Again, it probably should have a quick QP
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pressure here. I'm not sure why NFL pro had zero.
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This is another instance where I marked it as like
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this is like, why is it less? Even though his
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time to pressure is less, which means statistically it's impossible
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for to not have a quick quarterback pressure. So it's
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it's possible that he loses on this one too. So yeah,
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but again I can't make up the numbers I have
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to go and what's based on there, and it's get
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off was faster.
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Speaker 1: So I wonder sometimes if there's a psychological element to
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for a pass rusher when you see someone who has
28:36
a faster get off, a faster time to pressure, especially
28:40
the get off, like because your get off should consistently
28:42
be what it is if you're just that good of
28:45
a player, right, And I wonder if you kind of
28:47
see a backup lineman across from you, or a backup
28:51
tight end that you know can't block, and it just
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gives you that like extra adrenaline sometimes and you shoot
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off the ball a little harder.
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Speaker 2: You know, Oh, absolutely, I'm sure that's the case, especially
29:01
if you have film on a guy's weaknesses and you
29:05
just you your skill set, you can you know, take
29:07
care of that. So definitely all right.
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Speaker 1: So that that answers that question of how the Eagles.
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That was it?
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Speaker 2: That was the last guy.
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Speaker 1: That was about eight or nine different guys, and you
29:19
can see Eagles did really well last year and they
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should be in pretty good hands again this year. Most
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of those guys sam were edge rusher, some of them
29:27
moved round around a little bit, and you mentioned some
29:31
of them sort of got their their pressures off, either
29:33
a backup lineman or a backup tight end trying to block.
29:37
But with the current state of the Eagles offensive line,
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you would think they should be all right again. To me,
29:45
the real question would be can Jonen Hurts continue to
29:50
take that many sacks that he did, which, by the way,
29:54
probably came against a lot of them, not of the best.
29:57
I feel like most of Jalen Hurts's sacks were almost
29:59
those distributable sacks because he would hold on, hold on,
30:01
and then he would just crumble under a pile of
30:04
two or three guys. We would get to one, but
30:06
he would hold on to the ball to see another down.
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Speaker 2: Or Pond.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how sustainable that is for him to have
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such a high sack rate and such a low turnover
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rate fumble rate comparatively when your offensive line is doing
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a really good job against some of the elite pass rushers.
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Speaker 2: Sure, and again we only looked at edges, so there's
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a lot of interior pressure was not you know, looked
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at in this particular study.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, we will get to the next question
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in the next mail bag. That's going to do it
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for this edition of Inside the Data for Sam Finkel.
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I'm Jeff Mosher. Thanks for watching Inside the Data on
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