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Jurors react after judge declares MISTRIAL in Palisades arson case · DEEP INSIGHT

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  Speaker 1: All right, Sandra Fox, need's alert now and a judge
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  Speaker 1: declaring a mistrial in the case against the man accused
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  Speaker 1: of starting the last year's deadly Palisades fire. Jurors unable
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  Speaker 1: to reach a unanimous verdict. Our senior national correspondent William
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  Speaker 1: Lejenes has been watching the trial. He joins US now
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  Speaker 1: from Los Angeles. Hi, William, Hey, good morning, John.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of a big surprise, although last night we
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  Speaker 2: kind of got some indications, but you're right. A mistrial
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  Speaker 2: this morning declared in the case against the man accused
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  Speaker 2: of setting the most expensive fire in US history. Ten
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  Speaker 2: jurors said they would vote against conviction or not guilty.
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  Speaker 2: Two others would not go along on any of the
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  Speaker 2: three charges, arson, destruction of property, and lighting a timber fire.
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  Speaker 2: US Attorney Bill A. Sale has already said he will
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  Speaker 2: retry the case. Moments ago, two of our producers in
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  Speaker 2: court say, defendant Jonathan rinderkanesh wipe back tears. A second
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  Speaker 2: jur also cried, what is next. He's been a custody
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  Speaker 2: for about nine months, so we expected detention here later
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  Speaker 2: today where the judge will decide as he remain in
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  Speaker 2: jail or be released. Probably with some condition. So how
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  Speaker 2: do we get here? I want to read a note
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  Speaker 2: that the jury sent to the judge last night. We
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  Speaker 2: might have that quote. We have people on both sides
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  Speaker 2: that are dead set, unwavering. We are at a standstill.
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  Speaker 2: We are unsure how to proceed. There is nothing the
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  Speaker 2: court can do to assist the jury and their deliberations.
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  Speaker 2: Additional instructions or rereading the testimony would not help deliberations. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: we cannot reach a unanimous verdict. So those watching this
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  Speaker 2: case not a real surprise. We have such different versions
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  Speaker 2: of events that happened John, it's hard to see any
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  Speaker 2: middle ground here. The prosecutor said the fire was intentionally set.
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  Speaker 2: Cell Phone and video evidence put Jonathan Vinder Kanesh at
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  Speaker 2: the edition point of this fire thirteen seconds after it started.
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  Speaker 2: Uber passengers at night said he acted erratically, searches on
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  Speaker 2: his phone show, he hated rich people, he loves fire,
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  Speaker 2: he wanted revenge, He acted defensively in the police interview. Now,
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  Speaker 2: how does a jury reconcile that? With the defense version
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  Speaker 2: that prosecutors had no physical evidence, no accelerant, no witnesses,
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  Speaker 2: and if he was guilty, why would he call nine
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  Speaker 2: one one sixteen times, then wait around for cops to
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  Speaker 2: question him. Makes no sense. Also, the vin said the
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  Speaker 2: fireworks started the fire witnesses. They had witnesses to support that.
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  Speaker 2: Bottom line is job at this point in time, we
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  Speaker 2: the brother and the father were in court. We expect
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  Speaker 2: the father to speak as well as a dire defense
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  Speaker 2: attorney later today.
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  Speaker 1: Back to you, all right, apparently now we're hearing from
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  Speaker 1: some of the jurors outside of the courthouse, so let's
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  Speaker 1: go live that.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, then maybe they'll give us some ideas.
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  Speaker 3: Was then really just too holding out the entire time
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  Speaker 3: we were like kind of going back and forth, and
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  Speaker 3: it was like undecided and decided. Maybe like four of
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  Speaker 3: us were like set on the not guilty, and then
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  Speaker 3: they were all undecided, and then there's it just happened
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  Speaker 3: that one person was not gonna budge from the guilties.
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  Speaker 3: And then someone this morning said, I go on that
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  Speaker 3: side too.
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  Speaker 4: When they figure out that everybody was set.
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  Speaker 3: In there, I mean probably yesterday for the most part,
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  Speaker 3: but there were still like two that were undecided. Has
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  Speaker 3: said that they're gonna retry the case if the evidence
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  Speaker 3: is there.
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  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts having sat in this journey sex.
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  Speaker 3: It makes me sad as an American like that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we couldn't come to a conclusion. And I mean, honestly
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  Speaker 3: wish I could come back and do it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because I wish we could have came to a conclusion.
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  Speaker 4: What was the division when you were first or maybe
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  Speaker 4: sometimes well, there wasn't any division. Honestly, we all got
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  Speaker 4: along so well division as far as years. Oh, it's
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  Speaker 4: definitely started out. The majority was always like not.
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  Speaker 3: Guilty and seventy five yeah, like probably seven and then
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  Speaker 3: like three undecided too guilty.
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  Speaker 4: And then we talked and talked, and when.
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  Speaker 3: We realized it was like someone wasn't gonna budge, we
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  Speaker 3: were like, what are we doing here?
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday before you send it, announced that they're going to
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  Speaker 1: re trying and excuse me if this was already asked.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to hear your thoughts on the federal government
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  Speaker 2: doing this all over again.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying not to be angry, but I was like, I,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess they have to to get to
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, to conclude this case, but I think
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  Speaker 3: it's such a waste of our American dollars.
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  Speaker 4: Yesterday in the middle of the afternoon, jeers.
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  Speaker 5: Left the church or a room at one point before.
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  Speaker 4: The mail this passed back and tell us what was
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  Speaker 4: happening there was after lunch, Oh, I said it was
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  Speaker 4: a mistake. Our four person like just clicked the wrong thing.
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  Speaker 4: Left the jury room to go downstairs.
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  Speaker 2: It's like people were certain of the day.
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  Speaker 4: This was before the new It was me, I needed
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  Speaker 4: to stretch my legs, and.
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  Speaker 3: They said we had to take a break if we
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  Speaker 3: want to, and we want to do that, everybody has
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  Speaker 3: to take a break.
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  Speaker 4: It was it was that was just me wanting to
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  Speaker 4: get out of the room. Some people who have been
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  Speaker 4: figuring anything. Brianna was not on the She's.
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  Speaker 6: Like, but I was an alternate. My name is Brianna.
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  Speaker 6: So unfortunately I couldn't deliberate. But you know, I wish
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  Speaker 6: I had the opportunity just to hear everyone's opinions.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, yeah, Serena, did you have.
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  Speaker 4: A chance to speak with the attorneys? Did you tell
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  Speaker 4: anything to the prosecutors. I know they were so interested
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  Speaker 4: in hearing from from all of them.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently only I guess when it's like final, will they
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  Speaker 3: do that?
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  Speaker 4: Because they told us we were going to do that.
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  Speaker 3: But that's because we made a mistake and like they
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  Speaker 3: thought we came to a conclusion.
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  Speaker 4: No really, no, that's not the sense anyone's signed me.
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  Speaker 4: Why they picked up the fire or no, the fire?
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  Speaker 4: What was that anyone saying that the fire? No, no one.
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  Speaker 4: We had people in there who worked.
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  Speaker 3: Like not in the fire, but was a delivery driver
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  Speaker 3: who knows the area.
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  Speaker 4: Most everybody's local.
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  Speaker 3: I came from Long Polk, California, and so I've been
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  Speaker 3: here in a hotel all this time. But yeah, no one,
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  Speaker 3: no one. There was really no bias on.
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  Speaker 2: The fire to think about.
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  Speaker 3: I just feel like such negligence, Like honestly, I hate
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  Speaker 3: saying that because I'm not you know, it didn't happen
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  Speaker 3: to me. But there were so many, so many people
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  Speaker 3: up there that said they did see smoldering, So why
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  Speaker 3: wasn't it taken care of? It was put out and
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  Speaker 3: no one was there. I think the photo was like
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  Speaker 3: six am. Nobody was there. People were hiking and it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't until the huge palisades happened and you guys were.
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  Speaker 2: Going to it.
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  Speaker 5: That was like a stras specially, a lot of things
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  Speaker 5: were not maybe necessarily excluded, but the way that was
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  Speaker 5: presented was very misleading.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't realize that that camera was like still shots.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was a video. So that really like
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  Speaker 3: changed my decision because how can you when you gaps
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  Speaker 3: of time know what happened in between that time is impossible.
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  Speaker 2: Because you're not How old are you?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 3: How old do you think You're not supposed to ask
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  Speaker 3: lady that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to be fifty in next just in July?
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  Speaker 4: So could he spill Serena place?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: S y r e Na And do you want to
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  Speaker 4: share your last week? I don't, Okay, Rianna? Do you
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  Speaker 4: feel what sharing?
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  Speaker 3: How?
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  Speaker 4: I mean you to all of the arguments back.
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  Speaker 3: In more thing at the passion deliberating how they feel
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  Speaker 3: about how they would have lunch.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I agree with Serena here that you know,
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  Speaker 6: I don't think he was. I would have leaned not
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  Speaker 6: guilty as well.
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  Speaker 4: I think a.
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  Speaker 6: Lot of the witnesses that the defense brought really helped
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  Speaker 6: suade me. They brought in their own experts who didn't
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  Speaker 6: agree with the government's experts. Having not secured a scene
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  Speaker 6: for almost two weeks.
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  Speaker 4: Says a lot.
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  Speaker 6: And to pin that on one person, you know, at
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  Speaker 6: the end of the day, we're all human. I realize
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  Speaker 6: mistakes are made, but this is a man's life and
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  Speaker 6: we can't ignore that fact either.
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  Speaker 4: Your person.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, b R, I A N A.
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  Speaker 6: I'm from Long Beach, California.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, So you're welcome. I mean, we did
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  Speaker 3: it not get along, but I thought we'd be sharing
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  Speaker 3: more numbers. But I think it got a little eating
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  Speaker 3: at the end that we were like.
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  Speaker 4: I was surprised the one person didn't want to come
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  Speaker 4: out here. I was like, I'll go because I feel
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  Speaker 4: a certain way. But you you're so certain to feel
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  Speaker 4: a certain way. Where are you? Oh? Yeah, hilarious.
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