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The Late Debate | 10 March · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, welcome the Late Place.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with my very fashionable co hosts, kayleb
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  Speaker 3: Bond and Danika di Georgia. I'm not sure whether I'm
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  Speaker 3: more impressed with your socks caleble shoes.
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  Speaker 4: Denika, excuse me, Neither of you two buggers commented on
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  Speaker 4: my new shoes tonight when I was asking you what
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  Speaker 4: do you think of my new shoes?
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  Speaker 5: Not one comment? Not one comment? Well, hang on nothing, hang.
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  Speaker 1: On, hang on, look, I think we should be clear here.
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  Speaker 6: And I walked onto the set this evening and Denika
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  Speaker 6: was taking off her shoe to put on a new
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  Speaker 6: pair of She was going barefoot.
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  Speaker 2: Test.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, can you imagine be barefoot on this set?
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  Speaker 2: No one was sad.
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  Speaker 1: We get on the show, get better ratings.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what's coming up tonight. The Victorian government to pay
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  Speaker 3: businesses fifty million dollars compensation for losses suffered during COVID,
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  Speaker 3: Another case of taxpayers footing the bill for labors in competence.
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  Speaker 2: And a decision by the British government.
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  Speaker 3: To pause the prescription of cross sex hormones for children
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  Speaker 3: who were experienced seeing gender This for our highlights just
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  Speaker 3: how backward Australia is in protecting our kids, and what
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  Speaker 3: is it with people who listen to music on public
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  Speaker 3: transport without using headphones. A major airline is taking drastic action.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get to all of that shortly, but first, if
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  Speaker 3: we're going to cut migration, we need to lift the
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  Speaker 3: birth rate. And the Nationals, we're not battling internal problems,
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  Speaker 3: which we'll get to in a moment, are floating some
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  Speaker 3: interesting ideas as to how we might encourage couples to
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  Speaker 3: have kids. A report out today says the Nationals would
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  Speaker 3: consider increasing paid parental leave from six to eighteen months
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  Speaker 3: so mums can spend more time with their bubbs. But
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  Speaker 3: they're also floating the idea that women who have children
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  Speaker 3: could have their hex debt and their income tax cut
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  Speaker 3: by twenty five percent per child. Now the birthrate is
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  Speaker 3: well below replacement level. We've got to do something to
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  Speaker 3: encourage procreation. I don't mind this, Caleb.
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  Speaker 6: Nor do I to be perfectly honest. OK, we were
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  Speaker 6: talking a few weeks ago about a proposal from the
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  Speaker 6: Parent which is an advocacy group on this matter, and
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  Speaker 6: they were suggesting that we should double the government funded
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  Speaker 6: parental leave from six months to twelve. Of course, this
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  Speaker 6: is saying triple it to eighteen months, which is an
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  Speaker 6: even more extraordinary move. Whether it needs to be eighteen months,
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  Speaker 6: twelve months is probably adequate, I would have thought. But
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  Speaker 6: the reality is that, yes, it will cost the taxpayer
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  Speaker 6: to do something like this. But when you're talking about
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  Speaker 6: cutting rates of tax, that's sort of cost to the taxpayer.
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  Speaker 6: It's simply leaving more of the money you've earned in
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  Speaker 6: the hands of the taxpayer. So it's not a direct
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  Speaker 6: cost to a budget unless you've already budgeted that you're
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  Speaker 6: going to make a certain amount of tax, and you
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  Speaker 6: don't make that tax. So I don't have a problem
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  Speaker 6: with that whatsoever. And what do I have a problem
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  Speaker 6: with cutting their hextead either. To be perfectly honest, I
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  Speaker 6: see it as an investment in the country more than
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  Speaker 6: anything else. That the government has made the investment in
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  Speaker 6: the woman to go to university, and they've said, well,
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  Speaker 6: we'll give you an extra sweetener if you have a child.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it wasn't all that long ago.
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  Speaker 6: Costello the baby bonus, one for mum, one for dad,
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  Speaker 6: one for the country. If we don't do something very quickly,
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  Speaker 6: if we don't do something soon, you end up in
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  Speaker 6: a position. We're already in a position where if you're
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  Speaker 6: going to have any kind of population growth, it means
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  Speaker 6: you need people from overseas immigrants, and those people come
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  Speaker 6: here having not contributed to the tax pot from the
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  Speaker 6: beginning of their working lives, unlike someone who is born
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  Speaker 6: in this country. So there is an argument that even
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  Speaker 6: though upfront it might cost money to the taxpayer, you
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  Speaker 6: could in the end reap the broader benefits of doing so.
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  Speaker 6: So I think it is justified to spend the money
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  Speaker 6: and cut the taxes and cut the hecks to encourage
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  Speaker 6: women to have more children.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got a bit of a different perspective on this.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I mean, don't think we can ever
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  Speaker 4: go back to the baby bonus days, that the John
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  Speaker 4: Howard days. I think there needs to be more family incentives.
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  Speaker 4: As you both mentioned, I do not like the idea
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  Speaker 4: of lowering hexstat for women and the reason why, and
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  Speaker 4: I say this as a woman myself, I don't like
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  Speaker 4: this idea because say, for instance, John Smith has been
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  Speaker 4: studying to become a doctor for several years now, he's
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  Speaker 4: now going to specialize in I don't know pediatrics, for example,
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  Speaker 4: So therefore he's got medical bills coming out of.
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  Speaker 5: His ear drums.
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  Speaker 4: But because he doesn't have a uterus, you're telling me
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  Speaker 4: that then he can't get any sort of special cut
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  Speaker 4: on his own hextet.
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  Speaker 5: I just think it's completely unreasonable.
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  Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with this proposal, triple paid parental leave.
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  Speaker 4: I think something has to be done. I think we
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  Speaker 4: have to definitely incentivize families because the statistics show that
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  Speaker 4: women are putting off having children or delaying it because
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  Speaker 4: of the cost of living crisis.
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  Speaker 5: But hex stet I don't agree.
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  Speaker 1: Just encourage two things.
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  Speaker 6: One of them is marriage, so you have the child
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  Speaker 6: within a union, which then means that you both benefit
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  Speaker 6: from her hex stet being cut because it means in
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  Speaker 6: the paying back of the hex stet which comes out
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  Speaker 6: of it.
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  Speaker 5: What if you're a single pay.
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  Speaker 6: Like I know, I understand that it will not apply
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  Speaker 6: to a man who is single parent, But it does
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  Speaker 6: encourage you to stay in a marriage and creat a
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  Speaker 6: marriage in which you have children.
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  Speaker 5: Do you have to do you have to be married
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  Speaker 5: to have a child?
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  Speaker 4: And why if you're in a loveless marriage but you're
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  Speaker 4: somehow pregnant.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to do with marriage.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't believe it applies only to women who
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  Speaker 3: have a child within wedlock, does it?
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  Speaker 6: No? No, But what I am saying is that the
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  Speaker 6: benefit in order for it to exist for a family,
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  Speaker 6: you would have to be married or at least living
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  Speaker 6: together and sharing finances.
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  Speaker 1: So as a bloke, you can benefit.
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  Speaker 6: From the fact that a woman's hextead is being cut
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  Speaker 6: because it will be more income in the head.
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  Speaker 4: I take your point, but I don't think it applies
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  Speaker 4: to every single situation, And I think why don't we
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  Speaker 4: look at other ways to incentivize the family. What about
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  Speaker 4: looking at grandparents for example, to be able to look
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  Speaker 4: at children. I mean, Labor in the last couple of
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  Speaker 4: years has been introducing all these childcare subsidies to no avail,
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  Speaker 4: because again, why don't we give money inside the family
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  Speaker 4: unit to say yes, I want to be a stay
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  Speaker 4: at home parent, I want to be able to do
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  Speaker 4: all these things. Over in Sweden they have had great
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  Speaker 4: success with grandparents looking after children. I think that's something
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  Speaker 4: that we could possibly, you know, look at, But I
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  Speaker 4: just don't. I actually feel it's quite discriminatory to say no,
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  Speaker 4: as a man, we're not going to cut your hex
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  Speaker 4: step because you can't have a baby.
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  Speaker 2: Can I Can I clarify something?
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  Speaker 3: Are you saying that if the baby is born within
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  Speaker 3: a marriage you would be happy with it because the
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  Speaker 3: so full stop?
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  Speaker 2: You don't think we should receive any.
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  Speaker 5: No, I'm just talking about hextet.
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  Speaker 2: What about text cut?
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  Speaker 5: I think that's I think that's different.
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  Speaker 4: But I just think that because it's because a hex stet,
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  Speaker 4: a hextet is different because people have different levels of
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  Speaker 4: their hextet. Again, and I go back to the same
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  Speaker 4: example of a medical student who has literally got bills
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  Speaker 4: coming out of his ear drums, but because he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: have a uterus, he therefore can't read.
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  Speaker 3: A man who's earning this much and a woman who's
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  Speaker 3: earning the same but she gets twenty five percent off
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  Speaker 3: her tax because she's got a child, fifty percent off
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  Speaker 3: if she's got too high as well.
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  Speaker 5: No, I don't think it is.
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  Speaker 4: I do think paid parental leave is a wonderful idea,
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  Speaker 4: and I fully support them ational's plan on this. I
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  Speaker 4: think that that is the way to go. I think
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  Speaker 4: that a lot of women feel very stressed about going
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  Speaker 4: back into the workforce. They don't want to. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they've just given birth, they might be six. You know,
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  Speaker 4: the child's six months old. Do you really want to
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  Speaker 4: be taking a six month old to childcare? You don't
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  Speaker 4: want that. But there are a lot of women out there,
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  Speaker 4: and I know a lot of my closest girlfriends are
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  Speaker 4: so worried about their own finances. They've just had a baby.
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  Speaker 4: They would love to be able to extend their own
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  Speaker 4: parental leave. I think that's fantastic. I just think I
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  Speaker 4: don't like the idea of men and women being separated
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  Speaker 4: for their HEX fees, and I just think that I
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  Speaker 4: should be completely separate to this whole argument.
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  Speaker 2: Men would clainly the hex's discount if we could have children.
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  Speaker 4: What I mean, so who knows depends on who you're asking, Well,
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  Speaker 4: who you're asking into that.
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  Speaker 2: Later in the rogram.
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  Speaker 3: You know, though, the commitment by the nationals to make
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  Speaker 3: it easier and more desirable for families to have children
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  Speaker 3: even extends to a policy they're talking about how can
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  Speaker 3: we make larger family vehicles more affordable? And of course
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  Speaker 3: one of the reasons why you have two rather than
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  Speaker 3: three or four children is because once it's more than two,
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  Speaker 3: the family sedan is gone and you're in You know,
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  Speaker 3: my dad was like anis and Irvan and that was
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  Speaker 3: the end of your life.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Chris Bowl will tell you. Get a Tesla truck.
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  Speaker 4: There you go, carry the whole family the Tesla.
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  Speaker 6: Good lord, Once upon a time we made cars in
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  Speaker 6: this country that could accommodate families too, you know. But look,
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  Speaker 6: I just think everything should be on the table at
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  Speaker 6: this point. Let's just you know, I know, the table
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  Speaker 6: when it comes to the coalition is already groaning under
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  Speaker 6: potential policies. But put it all on the table and
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  Speaker 6: let's thrash it out, because we do need to do
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  Speaker 6: something seriously about the birth rate in this country. While
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  Speaker 6: we're talking about the Nationals, of course, you would have
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  Speaker 6: seen today that their leader, David Little Proud has resigned.
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  Speaker 1: There will be a leadership spill a.
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  Speaker 6: Ballot tomorrow morning. But he says he's leaving because he
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  Speaker 6: is buggered.
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  Speaker 1: I'm buggered.
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  Speaker 7: I'm buggered I'll have enough to lead this great party.
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  Speaker 7: Would be the wrong thing for me to do. I
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  Speaker 7: love the National Party.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in it.
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  Speaker 7: I'll believe till the day I die, Green and Gold.
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  Speaker 7: I love it, and it'd be wrong for me to
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  Speaker 7: say that I'm the right person to continue to lead.
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  Speaker 7: It's been a pretty rough road since the election. But
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  Speaker 7: I get to go home to her, my wife, Amelia.
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  Speaker 6: Because he has been the leader since twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 6: We know that there are at least two names who
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  Speaker 6: have thrown their hat into the ring for the leadership,
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  Speaker 6: that being Matt Canavan and the deputy leader, Kevin Hogan.
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  Speaker 6: There's an expectation that there will be more names come
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  Speaker 6: forward in the morning, including potentially Bridget Mackenzie. Now. Bridget
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  Speaker 6: Mackenzie was talking to Peter Kredline earlier this evening. She
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  Speaker 6: said the first she knew of mister Little Proud handing
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  Speaker 6: over his leadership was basically moments before he announced it
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  Speaker 6: at that press conference.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely shocked.
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  Speaker 8: We got a statement through to the party room from
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  Speaker 8: David just before he made the announcement with his wife
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  Speaker 8: familiar and just the shock right across the room. We
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  Speaker 8: didn't see this coming.
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  Speaker 6: It's interesting because he says he's bagged, he can't go
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  Speaker 6: on in the leadership. He's tired of it, he's had enough, basically,
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  Speaker 6: but he's going to remain in the party and in
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  Speaker 6: the Parliament, so he has enough energy to keep doing that.
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  Speaker 5: Is this a.
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  Speaker 6: Case of if you look at his record over the
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  Speaker 6: last year or so, the coalition has busted up twice,
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  Speaker 6: but in the process of those bust ups, he has
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  Speaker 6: achieved concessions from the Liberal Party on important policy points
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  Speaker 6: that they wanted to achieve. Is this a case of,
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  Speaker 6: look that the coalition to be Frank ain't winning an
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  Speaker 6: election at the next treederal election, and quite probably isn't
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  Speaker 6: winning one at the election after that. Either we're talking
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  Speaker 6: about a three or four term government here missed little.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's forty nine years.
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  Speaker 6: Old, so you're looking at a long road ahead to
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  Speaker 6: ever getting anywhere near government again. So from his perspective,
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  Speaker 6: why hang around as leader when you've had four years
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  Speaker 6: in the job. You're never going to get anywhere near
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  Speaker 6: being the deputy prime minister.
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  Speaker 1: I'll step back and let someone else.
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  Speaker 2: I would have thought forty nine was reasonably young, isn't it? Well, perhaps,
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  Speaker 2: but it's a.
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  Speaker 6: Long time if you're thinking about the main game. If
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  Speaker 6: you're forty nine and you're looking at potentially potentially sorry,
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  Speaker 6: at least another six years before you get towards government.
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  Speaker 6: You've got to survive those years as leader, and that's
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  Speaker 6: not always an easy thing to do. So you're at
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  Speaker 6: a position in your life where you can actually take
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  Speaker 6: a back seat and potentially think about going for leadership
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  Speaker 6: again at another point if you had the support of
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  Speaker 6: your colleagues, but you don't need to take on the
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  Speaker 6: pressure at this point, you actually got some time for
• 11:52
  Speaker 6: some clear air.
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  Speaker 2: I pretty much took him at his word.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, regardless of your views on David Little Proud,
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  Speaker 3: I thought his resignation as leader was pretty sincere.
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  Speaker 2: As you saw, quite emotional.
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  Speaker 3: He had his wife standing there right beside him, and
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  Speaker 3: I take it on face value that it has been
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  Speaker 3: a pretty stressful period, and by.
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  Speaker 2: Any measure it has been.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, he'd like to just be a local
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  Speaker 3: MP and be able to go home at night and
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  Speaker 3: not have to worry about the party.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, politics isn't for everybody in the long game.
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  Speaker 4: I mean David Little Proud, though I will say he
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  Speaker 4: says he's buggered. I think we're all buggered by the
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: constant dramas and the infighting of the Coalition of the
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  Speaker 4: past one and a half years. Look, look, I know
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  Speaker 4: there's been a lot of criticism today of David Little Proud.
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  Speaker 4: What I will say of him is I think he
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  Speaker 4: has been a tireless advocate for regional Australia, especially when
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  Speaker 4: it comes to net zero. He has gone full force
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  Speaker 4: with that policy and also say, you know, in other
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  Speaker 4: areas like telecommunications, getting better mobile phone coverage for the regions.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's been a real advocate there. I actually agree.
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  Speaker 4: With what he did when he first divorced the Coalition
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  Speaker 4: last year over that net zero policy, because he forced
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  Speaker 4: the Liberal Party's hand. The Liberal Party under Susan Lee,
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  Speaker 4: they were dilly dallying over net zero and whether they
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  Speaker 4: would resurrect the nuclear policy.
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  Speaker 5: And I actually think he did the right thing in
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  Speaker 5: forcing their hand.
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  Speaker 4: But unfortunately his entire tenure has been marred by dramas
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  Speaker 4: in fighting. He and Barnaby Joyce obviously didn't get along.
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  Speaker 4: I know that Barnaby Joyce was on our colleague Paul
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  Speaker 4: Murray show tonight. I think he was seemingly quite happy
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  Speaker 4: at this decision, though I do wonder whether Barnaby Joyce
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  Speaker 4: now maybe does he regret almost going over to one
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  Speaker 4: nation because he could have had a shot at the
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  Speaker 4: top job.
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  Speaker 5: For the third time. Yeah, but you don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, these people obviously have a lot of leadership ambitions.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think you ever lose your leadership ambition once
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  Speaker 4: you have it. But look Matt Canavan and Bridget McKenzie.
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  Speaker 4: There's also a report that Kevin Hogan will throw his
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  Speaker 4: hat into the ring. Matt Canavan would be wonderful, absolutely
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  Speaker 4: wonderful I think for the Nationals because he does hold
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  Speaker 4: the values that the Nationals hold so dear so you
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  Speaker 4: know net zero, I'm pulling out of the Paris Agreement nuclear.
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  Speaker 4: He's such a big advocate as well for Cole obviously
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  Speaker 4: being over in Queensland. But I actually really like Bridget
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  Speaker 4: mackenzie as well. She is so strong when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to radical Islam. And I'm going to say over the
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  Speaker 4: period where Bondi massacre happened, over that summer couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 4: she was strong in calling it out. She was calling
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  Speaker 4: for the lowering of migration levels and she didn't mince
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  Speaker 4: her words.
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  Speaker 5: I think she's quite fearless as well, so I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Think don't rule her out for the Nationals is they've
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  Speaker 3: got a few options, which they do. But Matt Canavan
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  Speaker 3: is a conviction politician. He's a fighter, and they need
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  Speaker 3: a fighter in there's someone who'll scrap.
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  Speaker 2: And he's also one of.
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  Speaker 3: The better communicators in the Federal Parliament full stop.
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  Speaker 2: So I.
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  Speaker 3: Really can't believe they would go for anyone other than
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  Speaker 3: Matt Kenneby.
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  Speaker 6: The potential issue for Canavan is that is that the
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  Speaker 6: NATS agrarian socialists as some call them, have tended to
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  Speaker 6: go for in their leaders someone quite conservative and I
• 14:58
  Speaker 6: don't necessarily mean concer in their politics, but conservative in
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  Speaker 6: their manner. Barnaby Joyce, and he's the one exception. But
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  Speaker 6: if you go back through the Tim Fish's and the
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  Speaker 6: John Anderson's and the McCormick's and the Little Prouds, all
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  Speaker 6: these other people who've led the Nationals Party, by and large,
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  Speaker 6: they've been Timid's not the right word, but quite conservative
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  Speaker 6: in their manner, which is not Matt Canavan. Canavan is
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  Speaker 6: up for the fight, he likes the scrap, as you say,
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  Speaker 6: which is a bit more in the mold of a
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  Speaker 6: Barnaby Joyce. So whether or not that is what they
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  Speaker 6: want right now, I suspects probably what they need right now,
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: But whether they decide that is what they want. I
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: guess we'll find out tomorrow. But what I would say is,
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: if you have more of the same. Notwithstanding that I
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: think Little Proud has done some decent workers leader, if
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: you have more of the same, you end up with
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: the coalition being where it has been for the last
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: nine months. And the Libs have decided to have a
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: circuit breaker. Again, we don't quite know yet whether that works.
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: The Nets may will decide they want to do the
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: same thing.
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I actually think that the partnership of Matt
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Canaban and Angus Taylor would be very very strong. I
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: think that they I think it would be formidable. Look
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: forward to seeing tomorrow. Well, look, if you're watching us
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: tonight from Victoria, I've got some bad news for you.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Guess what as a taxpayer, you're about to copy it
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: again correct to the tune of fifty million dollars.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: Now have a look at this.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: This is a bill after the Victorian government agreed to
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: a payout to settle a hotel quarantine lawsuit.
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: Now this was a massive class action.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: It was linked to the hotel quarantine program, the disastrous
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: one during COVID you know under Dan Andrews when he
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: told everybody stay inside and wear a mask because you're
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: going to get COVID basically by breathing.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: So this hotel quarantine.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: This was a business group that launched this legal action.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: It actually involved more than one thousand Victorian business owners. Now,
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: the trial was meant to start in the Supreme Court
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: today but was suddenly adjourned, and it does appear that
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: the matter is now going to be settled out of court.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: That means it's going to be a settlement.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: So it's now to the tune of fifty million dollars
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: for the Victorian taxpayer.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: So let's just put this into perspective for you.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: So, not only was Victoria going broke and bust during
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: the long COVID period under what was the harshest and
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: longest COVID lockdown in the world, then Victoria goes into debts.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: So what do they do.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: They charge the taxpayer a COVID debt levee and now
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: and now Victorian taxpayers fifty million dollars to settle this
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: outside of court. Convenient, isn't it convenient? They obviously don't
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: want the details of this coming out to Light's just
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: easier to settle it. But have a listen to this
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: a trigger warning. It might bring you back to the
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: good old COVID days. Oh yes, the memories, weren't they great?
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: Terrific.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: So this lawsuit alleged, I'll just read it, negligence in
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: the management of Victoria's hotel quarantine program, which the plaintiffs
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: argued ultimately led to lockdowns that crippled business across the state.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: You know, it's easy to save face, isn't it when
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: the Victorian taxpayer is once again footing the bill.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but fortunately the Victorian taxpayers have at least got
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: the Commonwealth games to.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Look forward to. No, they don't.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: During the COVID lockdown, there's the second wave of COVID,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: which was a result of just terrible failures with hotel quarantine,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: and that's what the lawsuit alleges. It was costing Victorians
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: in the realm of three hundred to four hundred million
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: dollars a day in lost revenue for small and medium
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: sized businesses. So a fifty million dollar payout is actually
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: small bucks compared to was lost during that period. But
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: as you pointed out, Dnika, there's an election coming up
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: in November, and could you imagine if from today through
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Right through that campaign, we had day after day after
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: day of headlines implicating the current Victorian Labor leadership in
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: what was probably the worst failure of governance in this
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: country's history.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, they could not abide that.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: So easy to pay it out and even easier when
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: someone else is putting the bill, I eat the taxpayers deciely.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: They don't want it back on the agenda for obvious reasons.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: It's a reminder of Daniel Andrews, and you know they've
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: tried to move on somewhat from those days, though I
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: don't think mister Andrews grubby little mits are entirely off
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: of this government to be perfectly honest in the way
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: it's operating and the people advice is coming from as
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: it stands to Miss Allen. But one of the other
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: reasons they would have wanted to settle it and not
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: let this go to court is that it could have
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: been a very interesting test case for or the responsibility
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: in the liability that the government had for things that
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: were done during COVID. And it would have started as
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: this particular issue, which was the hotel quarantine, and so
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: that was the cause of the lockdown.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: And if that were successful. You would have seen them.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: Cases I'm sure run on the length of lockdowns and
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: whether the decisions could have been made earlier into the
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: health advice and how legitimate that was, whether health advice
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: was used at all, or whether it was actually just
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: that mister Andrews was doing what he thought was politically expedient.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: On and on it would have gone.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: In terms of these cases, it would have been probably
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: never ending in terms of what they would have brought.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: So by getting this off the books, they've kind of
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: avoided any precedent yet being set. Doesn't mean no one
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: else could try on a class action, but it does
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: stop that precedent being set, which I'm sure is in
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: the interest of the gum.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Is this not another example of why we need a
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: COVID Royal Commission. We need this desperately in this country
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: to get to the bottom of what happened, what advice
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: was ignored, and these premiers, these former premiers like Daniel
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Andrews need to be compelled to give evidence because I
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: still you know, it's very clear that Victorians are still
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: suffering the ramifications from the COVID lockdowns. You know that
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: the state is in an enormous amount of debt, and
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I think we deserve answers as to what happened and
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: what advice was ignored.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: We don't get a royal commission, but Dan Andrews gets
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: a statue, So make what you will of that. All right,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: here's one of my absolute bug bears, especially on public transport,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: whether you're on a train or a bus, or worse,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: trapped on an aircraft with someone who's listening to music
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: or a video on their phone out loud rather than
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: using headphones. So I was quite heartened when I saw
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: this vision of a woman doing just that on a
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: plane in the US after complaints from other passengers. Well,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: she was removed, I think, argue I paid money for it,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: and I played a video seconds.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: Sound.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Hey, it's not a free switch speech, APA, or are like,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: are we being asse folds to literally every money stech?
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I am keeping the the Can I not express my feelings?
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I was listening to a stupid video on your phone
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: out loud?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: A free speech issue?
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: But anyway, United Airlines in the US have been considering
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: all of this, and they are now mandating that if
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you fly on their planes you must have headphones. I mean,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: you don't have to have them, but if you're listening
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: to a video or music, it must be done with headphones,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: otherwise you're out.
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: Using headphones is no longer just considered proper etiquette. It
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: is now a requirement on United Airlines flights. United says
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: passengers who use speakers are refused to wear headphones could
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: be removed from flights and even face a lifetime ban airlines,
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: as are travelers don't who don't have headphones can request
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: a free pair from flight attendance. Like your living rooms.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Think you share it with the rest of us.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: What I don't get about this canabis We're now in
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: a situation where we have to make common courtesy a requirement.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: What's happened to people?
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: I know that her being the woman being clapped off
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: the plane reminds me of that scene in as good
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: as it gets when Jack Nicholson goes into the diner
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: where he's been a menace for quite some time and
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: the manager kicks him out and they all clap as
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: he walks out the door because they finally stood up
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: to him, and it feels like one of those moments
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: someone's finally stood up to these annoying I won't even
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: say what I was going to say people, shall we say, well,
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: are they even people?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Subhuman? I think they are who.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: Go on public transport in particular and decide that they're
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: going to play all their.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Bloody weird rap music or whatever it is. I don't
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: want to hear it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: You're in space with the rest of us, right, you
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: should be able to know that if you want to
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: listen to would put your headphones on, put your ear
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: pods in. I don't care what you're listening to. That's
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: your business, but I shouldn't have to be.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Subjected to it. We're living in.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: A society here of people. I am glad to see
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: that standards are being enforced. If people won't adhere to them,
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: they must be enforced.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: And thank god it's finally happened.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what's what has happened to the basic human race?
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: As James said that we actually have to enforce this.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: There is nothing that irks me more. Honestly, it really
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: grinds my gears. When you're on public transport and somebody
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: is talking to someone. They've got them on loudspeaker and
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: they're having this full on conversation. Don't get me wrong,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: when I'm listening to them, and they give it the
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: full tea. My ear drum is plugged in, let me
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: tell you that. But when they're not, they're just talking rubbish.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: It's so unnecessary. Put the phone up. If you don't
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: have air pods or earphones in. It's not that hard.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: It's just basic basic.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Even with air pods, like you can hear you can't
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: hear the other conversation, right, But if you notice people.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Speak so loudly when they're on the phone.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you've got some business guy who'll be
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: on a train or on a bus somewhere do the
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: most important deal of his life, and you're still getting
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: half the conversation. Somehow, they speak louder if they've got headphones.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: But you know, you know, even a couple of weeks ago,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: I was outside my local Woolworths and there was a
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: woman out there on loud speaker having an argument on
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: the phone, and her and the person on the other
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: line were yelling something chronic.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: At each other, and I just thought, have you no shame?
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Have you no shame?
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Like I just I think it's actually embarrassing to be
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: standing in the middle of a street arguing with somebody
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: on the phone. And everybody can hear what you're saying.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Parents do it with their kids too.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: If you noticed in like you go to a cafe
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: and you're just trying to read the paper or whatever,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: and the table next to you, you've got people with
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: little kids and they've got them propped up with their devices,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: and you've got some cartoon creating a racket.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: It's just a cartoon.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: This is this is what goes on the parts of
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: Sydney where Denika and James live.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Clearly, I've enjoyed the rest of us.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I must say. It's first word problems, right, you're.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: The more civil one of us three.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: Well, I don't think that was any kind of secret,
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: was it. And speaking of being somewhat more civilized over
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: in the UK, you know, generally they've been a beacon
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: of civilization.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Last few years.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: You might question whether or not that is still the case.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: But a sensible decision has been made by the NHS,
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: that is, their public hospital system, the equivalent of medicare
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: here in Australia basically where they have now deemed that
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: cross sex hormones will not be given to children.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, fantastic news.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: This of course comes off the back of all the
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: work that they've been doing in the UK over the.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Last few years.
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: The Cash Report which looked into transgender medicine in the
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: UK and determined that children should not be given puberty blockers.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: They've then been doing further reviews since then and they've
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: now decided that young boys will not be given estrogen
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: and young women will not be given testosterone. This is
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: from Professor sorry James Palmer, who is the National Medical
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: Director of the NHS in England. He says, this review
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: has established that the available evidence does not support the
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: continued use of masculinizing or feminizing hormones to treat gender
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: incongruence or dysphoria for young people under eighteen. Now I
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: should note this means that it will not be prescribed publicly.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: It can still be prescribed privately, and the government is
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: looking into whether they should potentially shut that avenue as well.
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: But a positive move that once again shows up how
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: far behind the eight ball we are in this country.
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, most of the world now is moving away
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: from all of this and we're still there carrying on
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: our merry way.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: And you know, so the UK has set the standard
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: for this, which is bizarre given it as the UK,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: you think Donald Trump has done the same thing. He
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: has signed executive orders restricting gender transitions for anybody under
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: the age of nineteen. And I think that there is
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: a real medical scandal unfolding in this country, one that
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: nobody really is willing to talk about, and that is
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: the prescribing of puberty blockers for miners. Now, these are
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: available across the country except if you are in Queensland
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: and in the Northern Territory they're available privately, But for
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: the rest of the country, nobody else is following suit.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: You've got the federal government who isn't interested in even
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: having this discussion because they're too scared of upsetting the
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: lobby groups basically. But I actually think a handing out
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: hormones like this is child abuse because it can cause
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: irreparable damage. Tell me how a child knows whether or
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: not they are suffering through gender dysphoria. How can you
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: make that decision when you can't even make serious adult decisions,
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: and then what one day you wake up you decide actually,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: this was the wrong thing.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: It's too late and your whole body is morphed.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I think we are really facing some serious problems in Australia.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: And you mentioned as well the CAST report over in
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: the UK, and that was done because of the Tavistop clinic.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: And after this report was handed down in the UK,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: it actually found no evidence, no evidence to support the
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: use of puberty blockers, and there is growing worldwide evidence
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: to suggest the same thing. Yet here in Australia we're
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: so backward. So I really applaud.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: The UK for taking this decision.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I think it will save lives, and I just think
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: that we shouldn't be basing these decisions off vibes and feels.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: It needs to be backed up by actual science.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: And this is a good decision, right, But it's going
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: to be so hard to reverse all of this bad
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: policy because and Caleb read the headline to introduce this topic.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I wonder if we can put that headline up again
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: because something that stood out to me immediately in the
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: reporting of this decision by the NHS. Just to have
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: a look at this, NHS halts gender affirming hormone prescription.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: There's nothing affirming about cross sex hormones. Gb News is
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: a conservative news outlet, but even reporting that cross sex
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: hormones should not be given to children they still refer
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: to them as gender affirming hormone prescriptions, which.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: They are not.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: They're intended to try to change the biological gender of
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: a young person. So even in the reporting of these
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: good decisions, it shows you just how infested the public
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: psyche has become by radical gender ideology that you can't
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: even report the good decisions without radical gender propaganda being
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: inserted into the headline quickly. I also wonder if this
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: decision has been at any way influenced by a recent
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: court ruling in the US, where just a few weeks ago,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: a young woman was awarded two million dollars in damages
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: by a jury after, at the age of sixteen, she
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: had a double masectomy. She later decided she wasn't a
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: man after all, but of course, once you've had a
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: double masectomy, it's.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: A little late to undo all of that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: She went to court, and the jury agreed that the
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: doctors and psychiatrists failed to give due heed to her
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: mental condition at the time. So that sets of precedent
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: not just for the US, but right around the world. Now,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: those who have prescribed children with these sorts of drugs
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: and performed this kind of surgery ought to be very worried,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: and it's good to see a few screenshoots of common
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: sense on this issue.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: Indeed, and we should point out, you know, there's no
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: reason that a child, particularly a teenager, cannot suffer from
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: and be diagnosed with gender dysphoria. The question is how
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: you treat it correct and if you look at the
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: vast majority of vast majority, I shouldn't say, large number
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: of people who, particularly in their teenage years, certainly around puberty,
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: present with symptoms of gender dysphoria also have other comorbid
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: mental conditions as well. Yes, and I don't think there's
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: enough stock put in that. I think there's too much.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: It's too easy to say, well, this is a gender issue,
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: and so we should look at puberty blockers or hormones
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: or whatever without talking about the further underlying issues.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Rest of the world can see it, but us I
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: No, I think that's a really really good point. But
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: it is frightening. It is frightening what's happening to children.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: And as I said, we're not talking about it enough
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: in this country. Let's stay in the UK now because
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: UK Labor has announced a new definition of anti Muslim
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: hostility now, the definition was meant to be of Islamophobia.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: However they've changed it because I reckon that this way
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: it won't impede on our freedom of speech. And guess what,
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: it's going to be a dob in your neighbour's approach
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: where schools, councils and workplaces will be encouraged to monitor
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: this new definition of anti Muslim hostility.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: Let's bring it up for you.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: The new definition describes it as prejudicial stereotyping of Muslims
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: or people perceived to be Muslim, including because of their
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: ethnic or racial backgrounds or their appearance, and treating them
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: as a collective group defined by fixed and negative characteristics,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: with the intention of encouraging hatred against them, irrespective of
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: their actual opinions, beliefs, or actions as individuals. And as
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: well as this, private charity bodies will also be urged
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: to adopt the definition. And on top of this, they're
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: also going to be introducing an Anti Muslim Hostility SAH
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: to monitor to monitor basically what you're going to say.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: The reason why they think that this is going to
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: fix social cohesion really is this exactly the way to
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: fix social cohesion. It's got nothing to do with social cohesion.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: This is blasphemy by stealth. This is another example of
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: the hate speech laws going over in the UK. What
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: really bothers me the most about this is that people
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: could possibly be charged, People could face jail time for say,
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: criticizing the prophet Muhammad. But if the shoe was on
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: the other foot, what about with Christianity. You know, nobody
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: seems to bat an eilid when it comes to Christianity.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: That seems to be okay if you're anti Christian, But
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: if you make a comment about the prophet Muhammad, this
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: could be covered under the new definition of anti Muslim hatred.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: And my other concern is that it could be weaponized
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: by radical Islamist as a cover as a cover for
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: any sort of that sort of behavior that can go well,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: hang on, I'm actually covered by what's considered to be
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: anti Muslim hostility.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: All of this is being done, as you said, to
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: try and gain social cohesion.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: If the only way you've got social.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Cohesion is through authoritarian, restrictive laws that control the way
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: people speak. And of course, if I control the way
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: you speak, I also control the way you think. So
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: if that's the only way we can get social cohesion.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I don't think much of your social cohesion. Their goal
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: is that they will not only record, sorry, identify instances
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: of Muslim hate, record them and address them. But these
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: are not necessarily crimes. So we're back to non crime
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: incidents where there's a database somewhere recording that Caleb Bond
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: once said something. It wasn't illegal, but it was not nice,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: And you've got this database that will be used against you,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: presumably at some point in the future though you never
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: actually committed a crime.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Speak for yourself, James, what I said.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: But when I see it, I guess we'll find out. Hey,
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: very quickly. Before we get to a break. Some good
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: news over at Pixar. They've worken after the fact that
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: you know, we don't necessarily want to go and see
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: children's movies and receive some sort of work lecture. There
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: was a film came out last year, Ilio. Either of
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: you seen it, I say.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I nominated for an Oscar. Yeah, apparently so.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: But in the release that since been put out on streaming,
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: they've taken out a scene that was put in it
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: where one of the main characters is basically implied to
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: be gay and I don't know, apparently was riding a
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: pink bike or something and was thinking about the possibility
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: that he may be in a relationship with a man
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: or something, which is a bit odd to be putting
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: into a children's movie, you would think. But the chief
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: creative officer of Pixar, Peter Doctor, has now said that
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: they've edited out because, quote, we are making a movie,
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: not hundreds of millions of dollars of therapy, and never
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: a truer word spoken. I'm glad to see that the
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: arts is starting to wake up to this stuff, because
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: you don't go to a kid's movie for a lecture
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: about sexuality, and as mister Doctor rightly pointed out, parents
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: don't want to have to explain that stuff to their
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: kids after going to see a kid's movie.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Kalloe, indeed, good decision. All right, we're going to go
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: to a break. When we come back, we'll look at
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: what's making headlines tomorrow, including the inside story of how
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: those five Iranian soccer players defected overnight.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: That's coming up next. Well, welcome back to the program.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow. We'll
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: start with the Herald's son. Some great stories on the
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: front page of that page for tomorrow most Interesting first
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: place for Excess reads the headline in the bottom corner.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: The story says more than a million dollars was splurged
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: on a fifty six second video to promote the doomed
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Commonwealth Games, which insiders say epitomizers wild spending that derailed
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: the event. The video was buried after the Andrews government
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: tore up its hosting contract, leaving taxpayers with a five
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: hundred and eighty nine million dollar bill.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Now, of course, today the.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Herald Sun had a story about how Games officials were
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: schmoozed by the Dan Andrews government, touring around Victoria for
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: a week in a bid to win the opportunity to
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: host the Games.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Now we find out they're spending.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: A million bucks on a fifty second promo video that
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: never saw the light of day. No wonder they got
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: into budgetary problems.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: Who got the contract for a million dollars for a
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: fifty six second video. I could have done it for
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: nine hundred and ninety nine thousand, you know, I mean.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Look it is. I got to work in TV.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: I know how hard it is to put together fifty
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: six seconds worth of programming like it is an arduous task,
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: but I could probably do it for a little under
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: a million bucks.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: The big story, of course on the front page of
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: the Herald's Sun and this story featuring obviously in most
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: papers tomorrow Freedom one Tyranny Nil daring escape inside the
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: top secret evacuation of five female Iranian footballers as others
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: in limbo. So the story talks about the fact that
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: obviously overnight five of the Iranians managed to escape to freedom.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: They're being held in a safe house in Brisbane, but
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: tension remains around the rest of the national squad who
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: were flying to Sydney and then out of the country.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Still not clear yet whether any of those players managed
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: to disembark and remain in the country or where they've
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: all gone. And Danika, of course, this story has got
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: even more on the Australian.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah it has.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: If you look at the front page of the Australian today,
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: there's more information about just this dramatic departure. Iranian dragged
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: onto bus have listened to this, you need to stay.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: After days of escalating pressure on the Iranian women's national
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: football team, a message smuggled out of Iran from a
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: player's family via a contact in Turkey was the final
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: tipping point that sparked a daring asylum bid by five
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: team members, including the captain. Within hours, the women had
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: been bundled into a car and out of the Royal
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Pines resort with three team.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: Officials and it says quote they were.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Running full bolt trying to get down to the parking garage.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: This is Lee Swansbro who's an Australian woman who befriended
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: several of the Lioness players. I mean, it's actually quite
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: an incredible story when you think about it. I mean,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: these women are genuinely fearful for their lives.
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: It's almost like they just made it. That's how it feels.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: It was like they just and gosh knows what could
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: happen when you know if they went back to a ruck.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Of course, not just feel full for their lives, but
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: feel full for the lives of their family. So they
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: were sort of betwixt and between, weren't they do we
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: stay here save our own lives but imperil our family
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: back in Tehran, or do we risk our lives and
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: go home. Family will be okay, but we may not be.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: So you can't imagine the turmoil in making those decisions.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, when your family is saying you
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: need to stay, it's a pretty strong indicator that they're saying, look,
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: you come back your toast, don't do it. Don't put
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: yourself in that position. And these women were incredibly brave
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: to not seeing the national anthem when they did. And
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: it was not lost on me that in the images
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: that were taken overnight with the home of Faes Minister
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: Tony Burke, they were not wearing anything on their heads,
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: which was sending a message that we are free of
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: that now. To think what they have obviously lived through
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: during their lives and you know, representing their country, they've
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: now been given a golden opportunity to get away from that.
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: So I wish them all the best and we've made
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: the right decision.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Not to take away from what happened today, but seeing
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: that those pictures of Tony Burke smiling around like a
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: cheshier cat actually just really urged me today. Don't get
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: me wrong, Labor made the right decision here, but he's
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: patting himself on the back that he got to win
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: a win for once.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Well, of course, you would.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: I mean he's got his meet and great at the
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: airports before and the Gazans'.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: A proud moment for the country.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Right as a country, we have done the right thing,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: and Tony Burke as our representative, would be the right
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: person to sort of personify that, except that he's made
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: so many bad exactly, it's hard to feel proud of
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: the country when he's the man smiling front and send totally.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: On the front page War's Toxic Penalty Anthony Abbereze. He
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: has ordered Australian military personnel into a Middle East war
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: zone for the first time since Afghanistan, as the RBA
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: warned that the Iran conflicts could unleash toxic inflation and
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: high interest rates. An E seven a early warning aircraft
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: and eighty five defense personnel departed for the UAE on
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Tuesday in what the government described as a defensive deployment
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: aimed at protecting ossies in the region from the deadly
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Iranian strikes. But also there on the page another fallout
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: will talk about there about the RBA.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: Quantus fares are up.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Quantus will increase airfares for thousands of ossies as a
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: result of this global oil crisis. The Energy Minister Chris Bowen,
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: and well he told us not to panic. Remember accused
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Queensland's government of encouraging panic buying of petrol and brought farmers,
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: truckers and oils giants together to discuss a potential supply crunch. Well,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know we're not going to be breathing
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: any cyber relief every time Chris Bowen tells us not
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: to panic, are we? This is a real shame though
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: about quantus. This is a big and there's already such
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: a small market with airfares as it is. If you're
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: looking to travel domestically, that could be a big problem.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: And we've been discussing this for a while. I mean
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: the RBA has now come out and warned Jim Charmers.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: Is this this is his big excuse? Now you can
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: go well, not my fault. Economic issues are part of
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: international headwinds. And the other thing is I wonder what
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: it will mean for Australia moving forward, depending on where
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: this war goes, will there be boots.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: On the ground moving forward.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: We still don't know that and we don't know what
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: that means for Australia.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: Look, never let a crissis got a waste when it
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: comes to inflation or checking up your prices.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: To speak.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: I don't think there'll be boots on the ground, certainly,
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: not any boots. There would be highly unlucky you'd have
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: boots on the ground from the US, even more unlikely
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: that you would have boots on the ground from Australia.
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: I genuinely don't think there's any appetite for that. We've
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: made a small contribution, which is the right thing to do,
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: if only we've been able to do this in other
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: circumstances as well. You know, we were asked for some
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: warships to go and help maintain the piece in shipping
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: Strait previously and we couldn't do that. At least we've
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: done something in this circumstance. But I think we've done
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: the proportional thing when it comes to our country.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: So you're saying the best we could hope for probably
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: is a less worse tyrannical regime, because if they don't
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: get well on the ground, they're not going to have regime.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: Most probably, Yeah, most probably, because, as the President has
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: sort of alluded to and others have alluded to, if
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: you want regime change. It has to come via the people.
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: You can't really do it by force because that then
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: puts you in the same position you've ended up in
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: in Afghanistan, for instance, and then you are in for
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: the long haul, and I don't think there's any desire
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: to do that. That's why they're trying to arm the
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: Kurds so that they get people on the ground to
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: try and do that work for them. On the front
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: of the advertiser tomorrow more on all of this bowser wowsers,
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: price gourging and empty bowsers because of panic baring hitting
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: farming communities.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: As smaller petrol stations run dry.
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: Energy Minister Tom Kotson Tonus that is in South Australia
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: said supplies were secure and stockpiling unnecessary.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean we saw it with toilet paper
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: during COVID.
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: Right now people are off trying to stop pile the fuel.
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: I get that our reserves are low, but it's unlikely
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: we'll end up in a position where we have no fuel.
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: Doing this only makes the situation worse. And now you've
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: got the poor farmers not being able to get their
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: hands on fuel because it's being diverted to the cities.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: Instead, it's not even Jerry cans. There's a shortage now
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: of Jerry cans because everyone's panicking.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Warning homeowners, if you start storing fuel in your garage
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: and you end up with a fire, your insurance is void.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: People need to be pretty careful, all right. We when
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: we go to a break.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: When we come back, Caleb as his dope of the day.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: You don't want to miss it. That's next.
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: You don't normally expect a marathon race to end with
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: a photo finish, but in Los Angeles at the weekend,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: that's exactly what happened. American Nathan Martin managed to win
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: the marathon by one hundredth of a second, pipping the
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Canyon Runner right on the line. Of course, he was
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: helped by the fact that the Kenyon, who led for
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: most of the race, got lost at one point.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: She messed them up.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: O my god, gosh, it is a phono finish.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: The Kenyon had to be carried away on a stretcher.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure because he was exhausted or just absolutely
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: shocked at losing right on the line.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Having the entire way.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: I actually feel really sorry for him.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: He's probably been training for ages for that I just
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: I really feel bad for him. How does that even happen?
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Because don't they have you know, in marathons they normally
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Know anything about a marathon.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: I've got no clue, But don't they have people ushering
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: them like left, right, this way and they're like clapping
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: them on people all.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Over the track. And he got confused about which way
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: to go, and.
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: The race that he confused after all that way, brain
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: would have turned to mush by that point.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: You run a marathon.
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: Athletic, ask stifford question, you might get a stupid.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: You'll be like him for the finish.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Give me a beer, exactly exactly, Well, I have a
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: look at this. The British Embassy in the UAE has
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: revealed that UK military aircraft has worked alongside m RATI
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: forces because of the tensions in the region. But you
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: know what, who cares about all that when this is
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: the Captain.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Group, Captain Sunday sun Lands, I'm the UK defense to the.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: UE Sandy Sandalands, reporting for duty.
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: What a name, What a brilliant name.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: So the UAE, which is full of sand is it?
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: Cities and the whole thing, and the guy they've sent
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: over there from the UK is literally called Sandy sandy Lands.
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's been typecast. Has anyone asked him whether
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: he wanted the job or was it? Literally he was
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: just anointed at birth? It's like you are going to
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: be our bloke in the UAE.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: The birth records found Sandy Sandlands and.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: Maybe some DEI higher I.
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: Could have had a we need someone really sandy, and
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: he could be more Sandy than Sandy sandy Lands. And
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: one wonders whether he is related to Kyle Little. There's
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: a feople to news about him going on. At the moment, anyway,
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: it's time for.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: The day.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: And today's entry is a young chap in Queensland who
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: allegedly had something rather interesting on his passenger seat when
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: the coppers decided to pull him over.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Tell me, would you have done this?
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: Hey, buddy?
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: I can see a bag of amphat right there on
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: your seat. Okay, so at the moment you're detained, it's
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: it detained for the purpose of the search.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: Yes, he didn't even think to move the thing off
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: the chair when the coppers pulled him over.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Allegedly of course. Yeah, I suspect he's not.
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: Going to have much fun from Here, a worthy winner
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: of ourt Dope of the Day.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: That's it from us, say don't forget our brilliant documentary
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Tomorrow at seven thirty pm John Howard A Life in Politics.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: You won't want to miss that. It's tomorrow's seven thirty
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: pm up. Next is The Ridder Penney Show, hosted by
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Caroline Marcus.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Good Night,