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Distraught mom: 'This is no accident! My son was murdered!' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: of a twenty three year old who was found dead
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Speaker 1: in Gylsburg say they have never gotten the full story
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Speaker 1: of how he died killed. A QC. Sarah Jones was
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Speaker 1: at Gilsburg City halled tonight as Tyler Smith's parents pressed
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Speaker 1: for answers. Sarah. Tyler Smith wanted to become a cop,
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Speaker 1: and according to his parents, the same group of people
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Speaker 1: he wanted to join, have failed to provide answers. September
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Speaker 1: twelfth marked his mother's birthday. Tyler's was the next day,
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Speaker 1: and the fourteenth was the last time he was seen
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Speaker 1: in the fifteenth was when his parents say they learned
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Speaker 1: he was dead. They say they received a lot of
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Speaker 1: conflicting information and that a preliminary autopsy report says he
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Speaker 1: drowned in three inches of water. TV six has not
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Speaker 1: yet been able to view the autopsy report. Tyler's parents
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Speaker 1: accused Gilsburg police of miss handling the investigation. Earlier this week,
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Speaker 1: Galsburg police told TV six they're doing everything they can.
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Speaker 1: I saw pictures of my son from that night. He
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Speaker 1: had injuries to me, and he looked like he had
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Speaker 1: been in a fight. I was told that by police
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Speaker 1: that they believed that his injuries were from possible dcomp
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Speaker 1: due to possibly being out there dead for several hours.
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Speaker 1: I have to disagree, as the autopsy report stays there
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Speaker 1: are no signs of external decomp How did this beautiful,
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Speaker 1: brilliant boy with his wife in front of him? Tyler Smith?
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Speaker 1: How do you drown a grown man? Essentially, he's no boy,
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Speaker 1: he's a grown man, but he's his mom was a
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Speaker 1: little boy forever like mine. How do you drown in
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Speaker 1: three inches of water? So many questions left unanswered? I
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Speaker 1: want the truth. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. With me two very
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Speaker 1: very special guests, the mother and father of Tyler Smith.
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Speaker 1: First to John Linley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: John what happened? As we'll hear more from his parents
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Speaker 1: in just a moment. Tyler had recently he was in
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Speaker 1: the process of making a move from Rochelle, Illinois to
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Speaker 1: Conquered California to begin training as a cadet in the
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Speaker 1: police academy there. He had one last remaining drill to
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Speaker 1: do with the Illinois Army National Guard in Macon, Illinois,
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Speaker 1: so he thought he'd use the opportunity to catch up
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Speaker 1: with some of his favorite people in nearby Gaylsburg. This
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Speaker 1: is about three hours southwest of Chicago. His plan was
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Speaker 1: to stay overnight with a friend and head to the
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Speaker 1: guard Drill The next morning. Tyler Smith announced his arrival
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Speaker 1: in Gaylsburg with great fanfare with a text about six
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Speaker 1: o three pm. This is Friday, September fourteenth. The text
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Speaker 1: simply said, I'm here now. Over the next few hours,
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Speaker 1: Tyler and a couple of friends first grabbed a bite
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Speaker 1: of dinner, then did a bit of bar hopping around
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Speaker 1: the area. According to information given to the Galesburg Police Department,
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Speaker 1: at roughly eleven thirty five pm, the three of them
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Speaker 1: head to their vehicles, Tyler walking with one of the
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Speaker 1: friends to his car. From that point on, the mystery
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Speaker 1: of what happens to Tyler really deepens. There is an
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Speaker 1: odd series of calls and texts to one of his
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Speaker 1: friends and another buddy in Makeum. At eleven forty six pm,
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Speaker 1: Tyler sends a Snapchat message to yet another friend saying
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Speaker 1: I don't know where I am and that's the last
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Speaker 1: that anyone heard from Tyler. All that together sounds very
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Speaker 1: very suspicious to me. A text I don't know where
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Speaker 1: I am joining me. In addition to John Limley, Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter judge lawyer Ashley Wilcott with
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Speaker 1: a young son of her own too. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, Cheryl McCollum, director of the Coal Case Research Institute,
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Speaker 1: also with a son, doctor Michelle Dupre medical examiner, and boy,
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Speaker 1: do we need a medical examiner today? To Cheryl mcallum,
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Speaker 1: director of the Coalcase Research Institute, before I go to
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Speaker 1: Tyler's parents, Sandy and Keith, I want your take on this.
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Speaker 1: First of all, Nancy, could he swim? Second of all,
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Speaker 1: you're talking about three inches of water with a no injury.
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Speaker 1: Then did he have some type of drug in his
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Speaker 1: system like GHB or something? And then the other question
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Speaker 1: that I have is at you know, eleven thirty five,
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Speaker 1: he's walking with a print that he's going to stay
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Speaker 1: with places to stay, and by eleven forty six he's
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Speaker 1: completely lost and doesn't know where he is. I questioned
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Speaker 1: what he sent those last text messages. Well, I questioned
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Speaker 1: the text message about I don't know where I am.
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Speaker 1: I don't know where I am. Guys, this is a guy.
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Speaker 1: I want to call him a boy because he's standing
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Speaker 1: his son, but this is on his way to being
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Speaker 1: a grown man. Out of five thousand candidates five thousand candidates,
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Speaker 1: only fifty were picked for the San Jose Police Academy,
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Speaker 1: and he was one of the fifty. I'm not really
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Speaker 1: buying that he drowned in three inches of water, and
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Speaker 1: I am not buying that injuries on his body were
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Speaker 1: caused by decomposition when he had only been there a
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Speaker 1: couple of hours. I don't believe that. I've never seen
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Speaker 1: a case like that in all of my history, where
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Speaker 1: a body begins to decompose in just a couple of hours.
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Speaker 1: And to add more mystery to this, listener, see's every
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Speaker 1: time I asked to have these checklate video footage cameras,
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Speaker 1: I get, I guess, so, or what's that going to
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Speaker 1: tell us? The only evidence they do have is what
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Speaker 1: I have provided to them. For example, I've provided ATM info,
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Speaker 1: which that would show Tyler using ATM on a video.
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Speaker 1: We were told then that when they received the video
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Speaker 1: that the detective watched it from beginning to end several
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Speaker 1: times and Tyler was not on that footage. I asked
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Speaker 1: the direct detective to contact Rolls Fargo again and he did,
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Speaker 1: and he said it would be December. Fore we got
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Speaker 1: another video due to they thought we had the wrong
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Speaker 1: footage from the wrong bank. I questioned getting the wrong
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Speaker 1: footage and drove two hours to drive to Galesburg on
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Speaker 1: November twelfth, where I met with a sergeant where he
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Speaker 1: said he would prove the footage was not from the
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Speaker 1: wrong bank and it was from the wrong time. I
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Speaker 1: was told Tyler was not on the video. The sergeant
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Speaker 1: put the video into play and as we were discussing
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Speaker 1: it in the correct we were discussing it to see
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Speaker 1: if it was the correct bank on the video, he stated,
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Speaker 1: what the f do you want from me? Your sun drowned.
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Speaker 1: Right after that, he said, Tyler and the two individuals
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Speaker 1: he showed up on the ATM video. This is the
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Speaker 1: original ATM video that we were told he was not
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Speaker 1: on on the exact time he was supposed to show
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Speaker 1: up for two minutes and twenty one seconds. This leads
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Speaker 1: me to wonder did the detective even watch the video
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Speaker 1: and he did, how was he not able to see
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Speaker 1: Tyler on the video? I have I have ever been
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Speaker 1: asked if I was here. I have also been asked
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Speaker 1: if I was if I was here for the first
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Speaker 1: six days Tyler died to check any videos myself. My
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Speaker 1: response was I was planning a funeral for my son,
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Speaker 1: but I would have been here if I would have
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Speaker 1: known that you guys weren't checking the videos. Wow, you
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Speaker 1: are hearing Tyler's mom, Sandy Halseney with me, Sandy and Keith,
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Speaker 1: mother and father of Tyler Smith. If my son allegedly
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Speaker 1: drowned in three inches of water, I would be on
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Speaker 1: the rampage. Sandy, Keith, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: First to you, Sandy, did you see Tyler on the
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Speaker 1: ATM video footage? I did. It was the original ATM
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Speaker 1: video that we were told he was not on, and
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Speaker 1: I had questioned, there's absolutely no way that he could
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Speaker 1: not be on it because I had a receipt email
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Speaker 1: to me. He had an email receipt when he took
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Speaker 1: the money out of the ATM, which was about an hour,
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Speaker 1: but it was ten forty two pm, and they were
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Speaker 1: telling me that it was the wrong footage from the
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Speaker 1: wrong bank, and I supple, then you need to call
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Speaker 1: well Targo, because you know, I have an exact account number,
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Speaker 1: I have an exact transaction number, I have an exact time.
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Speaker 1: I even went down to the bank to see if
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Speaker 1: the time was correct, which they didn't do either. But
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Speaker 1: I did that myself just to see, you know, oh,
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Speaker 1: maybe the time's wrong. There was twenty minutes of footage
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Speaker 1: and he is on that, and he shows up there
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Speaker 1: for twenty two minutes and twenty one seconds at ten
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Speaker 1: forty two pm, exactly at the time he's supposed to
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Speaker 1: show up. This is on the original ATM video, which
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Speaker 1: was in their possession for at least three weeks before
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Speaker 1: I started to question, Okay, what's going on here, you know,
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Speaker 1: why are things not being done? And then after that
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Speaker 1: point when I found Tyler he was on that video
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Speaker 1: is when we decided, okay, nothing was done. We've been
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Speaker 1: lied to, and what else have you lied to? Sandy
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Speaker 1: Holzeney Keith Smith, the mother and father of Tyler Smith. Sandy,
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Speaker 1: when you observed him on the ATM video, how did
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Speaker 1: he look? What was his demeanor? He looked fine. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he looked he had no problem getting the money out.
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Speaker 1: We noticed, We did notice he had cash on him
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Speaker 1: at the ATM, he had a money clip. We questioned
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Speaker 1: why he took one hundred dollars out and why he
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Speaker 1: used his depa card at the last bar he went to,
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Speaker 1: and what happened to his money because he didn't have
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Speaker 1: all that money on him when he was found. He
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Speaker 1: only had seventy two dollars of it. But he looked fine,
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Speaker 1: his demeanor looked fine. He was you know, you could
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Speaker 1: tell he had been drinking, but he was not stumbling.
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Speaker 1: He was walking fine. He was able to use the ATM. Sandy.
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Speaker 1: Did he have any bruises, lacerations, or anything on his
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Speaker 1: face or body that you could see, Yes, not on
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Speaker 1: the ATM video. No, So then no, he did not.
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Speaker 1: And you're telling me you observed a money clip in
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Speaker 1: his hand with cash in it, and he took out
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Speaker 1: an additional one hundred dollars, but when he was found
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Speaker 1: he did not have that amount on him. Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: That is correct. You know, we just won't just want
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Speaker 1: a timeline we might have, not trying to point fingers.
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Speaker 1: We just want answers. He deserves war everybody, anybody deserves.
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Speaker 1: It's just a little effort. The city appreciates Tyler's parents
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Speaker 1: coming in to speak to the CRC. As they outlined,
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Speaker 1: they don't have jurisdiction over this type of case. They're
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Speaker 1: limited in what types of cases they can investigate. However,
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Speaker 1: at the same time, we have received a formal complaint
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Speaker 1: from Tyler's parents. At that time, the city manager initiated
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Speaker 1: an investigation that will be a joint police and city
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Speaker 1: administration investigation. That investigation is ongoing, but when it is completed,
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Speaker 1: we've looked at the allegations, we will release the results
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Speaker 1: of that to the City Council as well as to
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Speaker 1: the media. Next week, we'll be meeting with Tyler's parents
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Speaker 1: to learn more about their experience and their allegations, and
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Speaker 1: we're hopeful to move on from that point. Tyler's parents
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Speaker 1: say they understand that this is outside the Commission's jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: and the city council referred them to the state, and
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Speaker 1: Tyler's family says they're not giving up. You're hearing from
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Speaker 1: our Friddick k WQCTV Sarah Jones. You also heard Tyler's dad,
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Speaker 1: Keith Smith, who was with us right now with me,
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Speaker 1: Sandy Halsney and Keith Smith, the father and mother of Tyler.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupree, medical examiner and author of homicide Investigation
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Speaker 1: Field Guide, Cheryl Mcallum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, judge and lawyer, and Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter John Lemley to doctor Michelle Dupree. Bodies do
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Speaker 1: not start to decompose in an hour or two to
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Speaker 1: where it looks like physical injuries like bruises. That doesn't
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Speaker 1: happen that quickly. That's true, Nancy, it does not, and
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Speaker 1: I wonder if it's not just maybe a misinterpretation of
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Speaker 1: an injury that did occur. One thing I'd like to
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Speaker 1: point out is that, as you know, drowning is a
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Speaker 1: diagnosis of exclusion, and what that means is we must
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Speaker 1: rule out everything else, everything else to be the cause
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Speaker 1: of death. We need a toxicology report, we need any
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Speaker 1: signs of trauma or injury that would be significant enough
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Speaker 1: to cause the death. And so I'm thinking that one
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Speaker 1: of the concerns is him having drowned in three inches
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Speaker 1: of water. That is entirely possible, but we still need
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Speaker 1: to make sure that the actual cause of death is drowning.
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Speaker 1: Otherwise we have other things that we need to rule out.
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Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right on those postmortem changes or the
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Speaker 1: decomposition way too soon. Well, to me, if he was
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Speaker 1: in three inches of water, he could have just turned
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Speaker 1: over unless he was knocked out or beaten and I
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Speaker 1: want to point out that what we have discovered is
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Speaker 1: that it appears he was either beaten or hit by
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Speaker 1: some type of vehicle before ending up in the creek
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Speaker 1: in Cedar Fort. And I'm basing that on post mortem
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Speaker 1: photos of Tyler Smith that showed bruising along his body
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Speaker 1: and more facial injuries. I'm very, very concerned about the
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Speaker 1: cause of death, very concerned. Doctor Michelle Dupree to all
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Speaker 1: of us a Luddites, explain how it is determined that
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Speaker 1: someone has drowned, And again, drowning is that diagnosis of exclusion?
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Speaker 1: We must rule out any kind of blunt trauma, accidental
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Speaker 1: or otherwise. We must rule out toxicology as a cause
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Speaker 1: of death. It is possible to drown in three inches
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Speaker 1: of water, But why why could he not? As you
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Speaker 1: said turnover? Was he abtunded in some way? Was he
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Speaker 1: sedated in some way? You know what is the reason
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Speaker 1: for that? There are also two types of drowning, as
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Speaker 1: you know, wet drowning and dry drowning. Did he have
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Speaker 1: a l ringo spasm so there would be very little
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Speaker 1: water in his lung? Those are the kind of things
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Speaker 1: that we must look at in an autopsy to determine
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Speaker 1: and to be able to actually say that drowning was
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Speaker 1: the cause of death, and I'm not sure that we
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Speaker 1: have it in this case. It's my understanding back to
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Speaker 1: Sandy Halsney and her husband Keith Smith, the mother and
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Speaker 1: father of Tyler, that through investigation, you guys uncovered videotape
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Speaker 1: images of Tyler walking along West Street just four minutes
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Speaker 1: before his cell phone stops registering activity. That would be
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Speaker 1: around eleven fifty two PM that Friday night. Okay, he
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Speaker 1: walks north past the case. He's on the corner of
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Speaker 1: West and West Main Street in the direction of the
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Speaker 1: BNSF tracks and the Cedar Fork body of water. So
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Speaker 1: you have him alive on video at ten forty two
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Speaker 1: at the ATM and about two hours later at eleven
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Speaker 1: fifty two walking past Casey's. Is that correct, Keith Smith, Yes,
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Speaker 1: it is. What type of video is this, Sandy Halsney.
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Speaker 1: It is a video that we can see Tyler walking
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Speaker 1: in the distance. We were told this video was checked
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Speaker 1: and that he wasn't on it, and we have done
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Speaker 1: our own investigation basically for the last four to five months,
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Speaker 1: and I was able to find the video there at
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Speaker 1: Casey's and check it myself. And that's when I saw
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Speaker 1: him walking. He's walking very fast, He's walking like he's
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Speaker 1: to me as his mother. I can tell he seems
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Speaker 1: like he's upset or angry or he's on a mission.
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Speaker 1: And you know, as he walks by, it's about eleven
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Speaker 1: forty eight, and then at eleven fifty two he his
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Speaker 1: health app on his phone says he stops moving. Wow. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. This is from my building.
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Speaker 1: They're on West Street. I think, how did you manage
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Speaker 1: to get that video where the cops didn't get it?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I presented it to him in my
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Speaker 1: formal complaint. I Before I presented it to him, they said,
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Speaker 1: you know, I went over and I said, you told
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Speaker 1: me you checked this camera and that was a lie.
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Speaker 1: You checked this camera and that was why you checked
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Speaker 1: this video, and this was a lie. And I went
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Speaker 1: through all the videos that I was told it was
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Speaker 1: checked and confirmed with him. You guys checked the Casey's video, correct,
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Speaker 1: And they said, yes, yes, we checked that. And I said, well,
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Speaker 1: I have the Casey's video with me, and Tyler is
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Speaker 1: on it and he's walking and he's you can't see
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Speaker 1: his face, so you can't see if he had been
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Speaker 1: in a fight prior, but you can tell it to
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Speaker 1: him and it's definitely him. There is another video about
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Speaker 1: a block down that we were told which would basically
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Speaker 1: tell us if he continued to walk on his own,
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Speaker 1: if he had turned on a cross street called Ferris Street,
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Speaker 1: if he had any any interaction with the police car
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Speaker 1: that fo him down that road, as well as another
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Speaker 1: vehicle that falls him down that road. And we were
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Speaker 1: told that that was only good for the weekend. I
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Speaker 1: noticed it right away, within about ten days after Tyler died.
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Speaker 1: I was told, Oh, they just have Oh they just
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Speaker 1: have signs up just to scare people. I said, but
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Speaker 1: did you check. Oh, well, we'll check, we'll check. Well.
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Speaker 1: Two months later I find out from the owner. After
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Speaker 1: we found out they lied about him being on the
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Speaker 1: ATM video, is when we decided that, okay, something's not
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Speaker 1: right here. We went down to that owner and he
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Speaker 1: said nobody had been down here to check their footage
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Speaker 1: and it was good for a week, and that would
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Speaker 1: have basically given us our information at least where he went. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, just Cheryl mccullin's right to the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute. That's exactly what happened in the case of
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Speaker 1: Seandre Levy. I remember it was so integral that we
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Speaker 1: find out if she left her apartment building their n
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Speaker 1: DC with anyone right and the video cameras in her building,
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Speaker 1: as I recall, it was her building cycle every seventy
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Speaker 1: two hours, and the cops didn't get it in time,
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Speaker 1: and that really hurt the investigation. Nancy, this is an
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Speaker 1: example of a mama ownermission period. She's doing the lion's
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Speaker 1: share of this and it's unbelievable. But I want to
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Speaker 1: ask another question to her. Other than the body, there
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Speaker 1: is something else you can investigate and look at, and
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Speaker 1: that's his clothing. Did his clothing have any injury to them?
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Speaker 1: Like where his pants ripped, where he fell down that
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Speaker 1: cement ravine, where his clothes disheveled like he had been
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Speaker 1: in a fight or a struggle. Has she been able
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Speaker 1: to see the crime skined photographs. I have seen the
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Speaker 1: crime photographs crime stories With Nancy Grace, we are heart
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Speaker 1: broken and we deserve answers on how Tyler's stuff occurred.
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Speaker 1: We want to know what happened the night of September
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Speaker 1: fourteenth into the early hours of September fifteenth, and how
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Speaker 1: did he get down there and why. We do not
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Speaker 1: feel satisfied As the gills For police investigated our son's
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Speaker 1: death without any litter, any or little effort. We first
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Speaker 1: learned of our son's death, it was a full blown
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Speaker 1: comicide investigation. As we were not able to see Tyler
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Speaker 1: the knight of his death. I begged to see him,
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Speaker 1: but we were still told no. Due to Tyler and
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Speaker 1: his belongings and clothes were all still evidence. He had
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Speaker 1: been taken to Peoria to a forensic pathologist. They backed
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Speaker 1: his hands for evidence, yet no samples were taken for DNA.
20:38
Speaker 1: I was miss lead to believe that he had he
20:42
Speaker 1: would have X rays and he didn't. Within less than
20:46
Speaker 1: twenty four hours of his death, a press press release
20:49
Speaker 1: was made on September sixteenth at four thirty two pm
20:52
Speaker 1: that there were no science of foul play suspected and
20:54
Speaker 1: no signs of injury. The statement was made off of
20:57
Speaker 1: preliminary autopsy report stating cause the death was drowning in
21:00
Speaker 1: three inches of water. No pause us why or how
21:04
Speaker 1: Tyler ended up in seedar four. I saw pictures of
21:07
Speaker 1: Maison from that night. He had injuries to me, and
21:10
Speaker 1: he looked like he had been in a fight. I
21:12
Speaker 1: was told that by police that they believed that his
21:15
Speaker 1: injuries were from possible decomp due to possibly being out
21:18
Speaker 1: there dead for several hours. I have to disagree, as
21:21
Speaker 1: that autopsy reports seats there are no signs of external
21:25
Speaker 1: decomp you're hearing Tyler's mom, Sandra Halsney. Of course she's concerned.
21:30
Speaker 1: She's not getting answers no matter where she turns. As
21:35
Speaker 1: we went to break, Sharyl McCollum, you were saying, there's
21:38
Speaker 1: more evidence than just the body itself. Repeats exactly the clothing, Nancy.
21:43
Speaker 1: He would have injury to his pants if he failed
21:46
Speaker 1: down that ravine, like if the knee would be ripped,
21:49
Speaker 1: or the side, if his shirt was cut in, if
21:52
Speaker 1: it was disheveled and pulled out. Did it look like
21:55
Speaker 1: he failed it. It looked like he was in a fight.
21:58
Speaker 1: Body placement in his clothes would tell that the auto
22:01
Speaker 1: the autop too, Sandy Halsney, Tyler's mom, what about his clothing? Um,
22:07
Speaker 1: From the pictures of the scene, his clothing looked. The
22:13
Speaker 1: only pictures that I see are his shirt is all
22:16
Speaker 1: the way up. They didn't take pictures. I don't think
22:19
Speaker 1: of his clothing prior to the fireman on the scene
22:23
Speaker 1: actually pulled everything out of his pockets before the corner
22:26
Speaker 1: or even the investigator even got there. They didn't print
22:32
Speaker 1: anything his clothing. I could not see any rips. But um,
22:37
Speaker 1: the pictures aren't the greatest. And we were told the
22:41
Speaker 1: night that he died they would not let me id him,
22:44
Speaker 1: and I said, why can't I id him? I want
22:46
Speaker 1: to see him. I begged and begged and begged to
22:48
Speaker 1: see him that night, and they said, no, his whole
22:49
Speaker 1: body is evidence. His clothes are evidence. And then they
22:52
Speaker 1: took his clothes and they threw them away after the autopsy,
22:58
Speaker 1: so I never saw the clothes through his clothes away.
23:02
Speaker 1: I've never heard of that they sent him. I found
23:05
Speaker 1: out they sent him to the funeral home four days later.
23:09
Speaker 1: So at that point, you know they've been tampered with.
23:14
Speaker 1: And I was not in a great place at that time.
23:18
Speaker 1: It was the first time I got to see my son,
23:20
Speaker 1: and I wanted the clothes, and everybody talked me out
23:22
Speaker 1: of them. But I did not realize his shoes, which
23:25
Speaker 1: were bright white shoes, were completely clean. The left one
23:29
Speaker 1: was completely clean, no mud, no nothing, and the right
23:31
Speaker 1: one had drag marks on the top of it and
23:33
Speaker 1: a little bit of mud on the side of it.
23:38
Speaker 1: There's no way he walked through that creek and kept
23:40
Speaker 1: his shoes clean in the dark, never been there before.
23:43
Speaker 1: And his feet are basically almost up against the concrete wall,
23:48
Speaker 1: and his arms are down and his sighed like he
23:50
Speaker 1: didn't even try to catch himself. His watch is broken
23:54
Speaker 1: off of him. It was broken off of the tin.
23:56
Speaker 1: It was still clasped and it ripped off, basically ripped
24:00
Speaker 1: off skin off his wrist and was laying a foot
24:02
Speaker 1: away from him. He literally looked staged. There was a
24:06
Speaker 1: beer clan laying next to him. That they took his
24:08
Speaker 1: evidence and they threw it away in four days and
24:10
Speaker 1: didn't print it. They said, well, we didn't think it
24:12
Speaker 1: was Tyler's. I said, but what if somebody else's prints
24:16
Speaker 1: were on it? Which police agency was in charge of this, Sandy?
24:20
Speaker 1: The city police, what city the Gayalsburg, Illinois City Police, Galesburg,
24:27
Speaker 1: Illinois p D. And we have tried to reach them,
24:32
Speaker 1: and Don Linly Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what
24:35
Speaker 1: mar can you tell me? Nancy? We did reach out
24:38
Speaker 1: to the Galsburg Police Department, and we have just received
24:41
Speaker 1: a written response from Chief David Christensen. I'll read some
24:45
Speaker 1: of the highlights for you. The statement begins, At this time,
24:49
Speaker 1: nothing learned from the investigation indicates foul play or suspicious
24:54
Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding Tyler Smith's death. How and why Tyler Smith
24:59
Speaker 1: ended up down in Cedar Fork is unknown and believed
25:03
Speaker 1: to be accidental. The statement continues, The Tyler Smith case
25:08
Speaker 1: remains open and any lead or new information will be investigated.
25:12
Speaker 1: The case has been featured with a local crime Stoppers posting,
25:16
Speaker 1: and Tyler Smith's family is now offering a five thousand
25:20
Speaker 1: dollar reward for information that would lead to an arrest.
25:24
Speaker 1: To Keith Smith, Tyler's father, what do you think, Keith,
25:28
Speaker 1: I just think they didn't put any effort towards my son,
25:31
Speaker 1: and they just wanted us to go away. And they
25:34
Speaker 1: just probably thought that he was from California because the
25:37
Speaker 1: California license, and I just think they just been putting
25:40
Speaker 1: the effort towards his investigation. I just don't understand it.
25:43
Speaker 1: To Ashley Wilcott joining me Atlanta judge lawyer anchor, you
25:48
Speaker 1: can find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Ashley, what
25:51
Speaker 1: do you make of this? You know there are a
25:53
Speaker 1: couple of problems I have with this case, Nancy. One
25:55
Speaker 1: is my heartbreaks for the parents, and I'm so happy
25:59
Speaker 1: that you're speaking out about the problems you see with
26:02
Speaker 1: this explanation for what happened to your son. Their observations
26:07
Speaker 1: directly contradict the reports by law enforcement. So, for instance,
26:11
Speaker 1: law enforcement nothing on the face, no sign of anything,
26:14
Speaker 1: yet we hear from his own mother bruises and marks
26:17
Speaker 1: on the face, or a bruise and marks on the face.
26:20
Speaker 1: I think the problem is the unanswered question. What I
26:23
Speaker 1: cannot imagine is why any law enforcement agency would not
26:27
Speaker 1: investigate more thoroughly, save the clothes, do the things to
26:32
Speaker 1: make certain that they absolutely have pinned down exactly what
26:37
Speaker 1: happened to this young man. I don't get it. And
26:39
Speaker 1: when you say they had no interests, they blew you off.
26:44
Speaker 1: That's their job, and it's not just their job. I mean,
26:47
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, you've been with me from the very beginning
26:51
Speaker 1: when I first started prosecuting. It's not just a job.
26:55
Speaker 1: You're certainly not there for the pay. I had to
26:58
Speaker 1: work two night jobs TG school to make a house
27:00
Speaker 1: payment while I was a prosecutor, remember that Priday times.
27:04
Speaker 1: You're there because you want the truth, because you want justice,
27:07
Speaker 1: because you want answers for people like Sandy Halsney and
27:11
Speaker 1: Keith Smith, and most of all, to do justice by Tyler.
27:17
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at Tyler's photo right now and
27:21
Speaker 1: I'm getting chills all over my body looking at him.
27:25
Speaker 1: This young man, bright, excited, exuberant, one of five thousand people,
27:32
Speaker 1: just fifty get picked to go into this police program,
27:36
Speaker 1: and he was one all over the country that made it.
27:39
Speaker 1: Loving parents everything, just like your son, Ashley, your son, Cheryl,
27:49
Speaker 1: my son. This is not right. You know what, at
27:54
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if it turns out he drowned,
27:58
Speaker 1: I don't like it, but I accepted. But we can't
28:01
Speaker 1: say that right now, Cheryl. There's no way that that
28:05
Speaker 1: can be determined based on what they know. And even
28:09
Speaker 1: if he did drownd, how do I know somebody didn't
28:12
Speaker 1: hold his head down? How do I know that what
28:15
Speaker 1: happened to the money? Why was he bruised up? Why
28:18
Speaker 1: did he have abrasions all the way down the side
28:20
Speaker 1: of his body? Why? Cheryl? Why but he suddenly needs
28:24
Speaker 1: somewhere else to stay within one minute. Why would he
28:27
Speaker 1: be completely lost within ten minutes to not logical, But Nancy,
28:31
Speaker 1: I have another major issue right now. As you know,
28:36
Speaker 1: I'm a prom king investigator for a living. Another part
28:39
Speaker 1: of my job is I'm the evidence custodian for my
28:42
Speaker 1: police department. You don't get rid of evidence in four days.
28:47
Speaker 1: In order for me to dispose of evidence, I've got
28:50
Speaker 1: to go in front of a judge and get a
28:52
Speaker 1: court order. I've got to go in front of my
28:55
Speaker 1: achieved and get approval before I even go to the judge.
29:00
Speaker 1: There is no way that could happen at my department
29:04
Speaker 1: in four days. On the case that we are not
29:06
Speaker 1: finished with, we have asked for crime stoppers to be
29:08
Speaker 1: brought in and I November thirtieth. We have asked for
29:11
Speaker 1: the state to come in for a fresh set of
29:13
Speaker 1: ice and we were denied. We have also turned in
29:18
Speaker 1: a formal complaint. We have also asked for the Guilsbord
29:21
Speaker 1: community to please come forward with any information as we
29:25
Speaker 1: are still trying to find out. I think that's that
29:32
Speaker 1: led Tyler being deceased in cedar Port. We still need
29:36
Speaker 1: the police in this matter as they have the authority
29:38
Speaker 1: to help as the investigation is still open, and we
29:41
Speaker 1: will need them to help us with Lisa, as we
29:44
Speaker 1: still need answers to what happened to our son, Tyler Smith.
29:47
Speaker 1: This is the main reason why we are still here today.
29:50
Speaker 1: We don't know what happened to Tyler and we won't
29:52
Speaker 1: ever give up as we are a voice for him.
29:55
Speaker 1: So please be a voice for Tyler. A spokesperson for
29:59
Speaker 1: the city told Fox eighteen News they found no evidence
30:02
Speaker 1: to support the complaint, but he did say the investigation
30:06
Speaker 1: revealed that in some instances, communications with Tyler's parents fell
30:10
Speaker 1: below the high standards that the Gaelsburg Police Department strives
30:14
Speaker 1: for each and every day. As a result, the department
30:17
Speaker 1: took appropriate internal measures to address this concern and ensure
30:22
Speaker 1: it does not reoccur. Sandra didn't feel up to doing
30:25
Speaker 1: an on camera interview, but told us her and Tyler's
30:28
Speaker 1: dad aren't giving up. She says they were relying on
30:32
Speaker 1: surveillance video from a local business to show Tyler's last moments,
30:36
Speaker 1: but she says the video from September was already cleared
30:39
Speaker 1: off the camera, so they've created their own tipline and
30:43
Speaker 1: funded a five thousand dollars reward for anyone with information
30:47
Speaker 1: that leads to an arrest in conviction. Tyler is a
30:50
Speaker 1: human being who has a mother and a father who
30:53
Speaker 1: loved him very much. You are hearing from our Frank
30:55
Speaker 1: klbjtv's Grace Runkle reporting. In my mind, there's so many
31:03
Speaker 1: gaping holes in the investigation, bad ones getting rid of evidence,
31:09
Speaker 1: not testing evidence, not taking evidence, not securing fingerprints. To
31:15
Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Dupree, medical examiner joining me, author of Homicide
31:20
Speaker 1: Investigation Field Guide, Doctor Dupree, I know that when an
31:25
Speaker 1: autopsy has done, there's a general panel of tests of
31:29
Speaker 1: drug tests that are done. Toxicology is what it's called.
31:32
Speaker 1: They look for pot, they look for cocaine, they look
31:34
Speaker 1: for heroin, they look for all sorts of illegal drugs.
31:39
Speaker 1: But is there another panel that looks for things such
31:43
Speaker 1: as GHB, gamma, hydroxy butter rate, or something that may
31:48
Speaker 1: have been slipped into his drink? How does that work?
31:51
Speaker 1: Doctor Dupre Yes, that's uglarious. Actually, when we do a
31:54
Speaker 1: panel and different labs use different panels, but typically they
31:58
Speaker 1: will look for all of those and especially in a
32:02
Speaker 1: case like this where there are some uncertainty or some
32:05
Speaker 1: question as to you know, why, all of a sudden
32:07
Speaker 1: he didn't know where he was. That should surely indicate
32:10
Speaker 1: to look for those things. I don't know whether that
32:12
Speaker 1: was done or not, but certainly it should be. I'm
32:15
Speaker 1: just appauled at some of the evidence of the lack
32:17
Speaker 1: of evidence in this case that was collected. Guys, we
32:20
Speaker 1: were talking about the death of a bright, bright young man,
32:25
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, with a world in front of him. He
32:28
Speaker 1: was heading off to police academy, one of fifty out
32:31
Speaker 1: of five thousand that were accepted. John Linley, Crime online
32:35
Speaker 1: dot Com Investigating Reporter, What more can you tell me?
32:38
Speaker 1: This is something that Sandy can give us even more
32:41
Speaker 1: details on. But she says that when she tried to
32:44
Speaker 1: access Tyler's Facebook page on Sunday, September sixteenth, the day
32:50
Speaker 1: after his body was found, at seven pm, it was
32:54
Speaker 1: already designated as a memorial page. Also, she discovered that
32:59
Speaker 1: all the local Haitian information from Tyler's phone for both
33:03
Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday was gone, as if it had been wiped.
33:07
Speaker 1: To Sandy Halsley, what does that mean his phone had
33:10
Speaker 1: been white? Um, basically the information was gone. His vocations
33:15
Speaker 1: were on and we could you know, prior day as
33:19
Speaker 1: you can see where he was. I mean, it picks
33:21
Speaker 1: up exactly where you go, and um, it was gone,
33:24
Speaker 1: it was completely there. It didn't exist that he was
33:27
Speaker 1: in Galesburg at all. Um. The fourteenth of September did
33:31
Speaker 1: not exist, and the fifteenth that did not exist, like
33:34
Speaker 1: it never happened. Um. And unfortunately, all that information is encrypted.
33:38
Speaker 1: And I have tried and tried and tried with Apple
33:40
Speaker 1: to see if I can get that information back, but
33:42
Speaker 1: it's it's out in the cloud somewhere, and I mean,
33:45
Speaker 1: I don't have the capabilities of doing it. I mean,
33:48
Speaker 1: this is why we've been asking for warrants and and
33:52
Speaker 1: and they will not give me a warrant. They will
33:54
Speaker 1: not give me a warrant to Facebook. They will not
33:57
Speaker 1: give me a warrant to rise and to check the
34:00
Speaker 1: cocatient histories. And I asked why and he said, well,
34:03
Speaker 1: there's no crime. And I said, well, how can you
34:04
Speaker 1: tell if there's no crime if you haven't tried to
34:06
Speaker 1: prove it. You know, it's within less than twenty four hours,
34:10
Speaker 1: or they'd halready said he drowned and they were done.
34:12
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't even open his phone until four
34:15
Speaker 1: days after he died. Oh, this is just one, one
34:18
Speaker 1: nightmare after the next. The last two people he was with,
34:21
Speaker 1: they only called two and five days after for a
34:24
Speaker 1: phone statement. They didn't bring him down to the department
34:27
Speaker 1: to interview them until two months later when we found
34:30
Speaker 1: out they were also on the ATM video with Tyler.
34:33
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Right there is Sandy
34:34
Speaker 1: Holsny those two people after the ATM at ten forty two.
34:39
Speaker 1: You see him walking along around West Street alone. Nobody's
34:44
Speaker 1: with him. Right then, a couple of questions, Sandy, who
34:47
Speaker 1: were these two people? Did he know them? There were acquaintances.
34:51
Speaker 1: One was a buddy that he drilled with and that
34:54
Speaker 1: he was supposed to stay with, and then the other
34:55
Speaker 1: one was the cousin of his friend that he was
34:58
Speaker 1: supposed to stay with. Okay, have you spoken to them?
35:01
Speaker 1: I have spoken to the one that he was supposed
35:05
Speaker 1: to stay with. I have not spoke to the other one.
35:08
Speaker 1: He's never reached out to her. Okay, what did he say?
35:11
Speaker 1: He at first, when I spoke to him, he said,
35:14
Speaker 1: you know, he was sorry, he felt like he left
35:16
Speaker 1: Tyler down. You know, if we needed anything, it would
35:20
Speaker 1: be fine. And then I reached out to him a
35:22
Speaker 1: week later and said, hey, you know, I'm not having
35:23
Speaker 1: any luck with the police getting any information. Can you
35:26
Speaker 1: at least tell me what you do remember when Tyler
35:30
Speaker 1: got there? Can you give me a timeline from when
35:32
Speaker 1: Tyler got there to the point you don't remember because
35:34
Speaker 1: he was telling the police he doesn't remember anything, And
35:37
Speaker 1: so I said, can you at least give me that?
35:39
Speaker 1: And his answer was, I'm sorry, We've already given our
35:42
Speaker 1: statements to the police. We would be the last and
35:46
Speaker 1: least likely to be able to help you. And that
35:49
Speaker 1: was the last I spoke to him. Based on what
35:51
Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like you see him alone walking,
35:56
Speaker 1: They left him, I mean, well he or he left
35:59
Speaker 1: them at whatever bar and was going somewhere else. So
36:03
Speaker 1: I'm wondering who approached him, who, if anyone, How did
36:07
Speaker 1: he get covered with bruises and lacerations? How did that happen?
36:12
Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Duprie. If he had fallen from a bridge,
36:17
Speaker 1: If he had fallen and then he died upon impact,
36:23
Speaker 1: because we don't have X rays of his body, would
36:27
Speaker 1: he have bruised or because it was so close to
36:30
Speaker 1: the time of death, would he have not bruised Nancy.
36:32
Speaker 1: That's a good question, and yes, absolutely, if he is
36:35
Speaker 1: still alive at the time that he sustains that injury,
36:38
Speaker 1: he will bruise. So there should be evidence, physical evidence
36:42
Speaker 1: that we can see of any blunt trauma that may
36:45
Speaker 1: have happened like that. We should also be able to
36:48
Speaker 1: determine if any of the blunt trauma was post mortem.
36:51
Speaker 1: We are learning. The forensic pathologists determined all of his
36:55
Speaker 1: facial bones were intact, including his name or septim. He
37:01
Speaker 1: did not break his nose. There were no external signs
37:05
Speaker 1: of neck injury or trauma. The pathologist said it was
37:10
Speaker 1: just superficial scrapes on his face. That his skull and
37:15
Speaker 1: scalp were intact. He was found in an area of
37:20
Speaker 1: Cedar Fork surrounded by twenty foot walls on both sides.
37:26
Speaker 1: His feet were up against the south side wall with
37:30
Speaker 1: his body pointed out into the water. The creek wasn't
37:36
Speaker 1: even full. Is there a way he could have fallen
37:40
Speaker 1: down in there? Keith Smith. I don't see how he
37:43
Speaker 1: could have fallen down in there, and we went there
37:47
Speaker 1: plenty of times just trying to figure it out, and
37:50
Speaker 1: just from the way his hands were placed down to
37:53
Speaker 1: his side, and the way he was positioned, I just
37:56
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out how he would be able to even
37:59
Speaker 1: if he fell hung down, he would fall forward against
38:02
Speaker 1: the wall, and that turn around and fall with his
38:06
Speaker 1: hands to his side just don't make anything. Well. He
38:10
Speaker 1: on his back or his stomach. He was he was
38:15
Speaker 1: on his He was on his stomach, arms down at
38:17
Speaker 1: his side, and his left side of his face was
38:20
Speaker 1: more down than his right. And the majority of his
38:22
Speaker 1: trauma is to the right. Um. He has he has
38:26
Speaker 1: blunt injuries on both sides of his head, both sides
38:29
Speaker 1: of his face, his elbow, his knees, he has has
38:32
Speaker 1: like puncture wounds on his ankle um, on his on
38:35
Speaker 1: his buttocks, he has an injury um almost like a
38:39
Speaker 1: road rash injury um. He was bleeding from the bottom
38:43
Speaker 1: of his chin, his mouth um. And And the thing
38:48
Speaker 1: is is they didn't even test the water that he
38:51
Speaker 1: that this supposedly he drowned it. But they didn't even
38:53
Speaker 1: test the water that they found in his lungs versus
38:55
Speaker 1: the water that was there. And it's not even saying
38:57
Speaker 1: that he really has water in his lungs. It's more
39:00
Speaker 1: saying he has muddy muddy water and his naars, you know,
39:06
Speaker 1: and his narees and his nose. What do you think
39:09
Speaker 1: about the theory that he was hit by a car
39:13
Speaker 1: and instead of calling police, someone disposed of his body.
39:18
Speaker 1: I mean, that's possible. I mean, the one video that
39:20
Speaker 1: would have shown that we were lied to about the
39:22
Speaker 1: police and said it was checked, and it wasn't. So
39:27
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's hard, it's you know, those
39:29
Speaker 1: are all the million scenarios that go through your mind.
39:32
Speaker 1: I mean, there is a car that follows him down
39:34
Speaker 1: within twenty seconds of going down that road. Then there's
39:38
Speaker 1: a police officer that comes through at this about two minutes,
39:42
Speaker 1: almost exactly two minutes after Tyler walks down that road,
39:46
Speaker 1: and his phone randomly goes off at that time. What
39:50
Speaker 1: about that police cruiser video, Cheryl McCollum. If that cruiser
39:54
Speaker 1: pass a vehicle, or passed a group of people, or
39:58
Speaker 1: passed his frailer car, it would show up on that video.
40:01
Speaker 1: Brex and we were told. I asked him about the
40:04
Speaker 1: dash cam video, and they so the only time the
40:05
Speaker 1: dash cam video comes on is when they turn their
40:08
Speaker 1: lights on, and and you know, their patrol, their actual
40:12
Speaker 1: lights when you're not just patrolling. And I asked what
40:16
Speaker 1: vehicle that was and they told me they couldn't figure
40:19
Speaker 1: that out. And I said, you know what beat that
40:21
Speaker 1: car's patrolling in. He's not rushing anywhere. And they said, well,
40:25
Speaker 1: we're sorry, we can't tell you that. To Ashley Wilcot,
40:29
Speaker 1: Sandy and Keith were saying they couldn't get the phone
40:32
Speaker 1: records or any of the computer records. What about a subpoena?
40:36
Speaker 1: Ducas take them a civil You don't have to have
40:39
Speaker 1: a warrant from the cops. How about your own civil lawsuits? Subpoena? Absolutely,
40:44
Speaker 1: I think that's what they need to do and what
40:45
Speaker 1: are and there is a mechanism to do that. Legally.
40:48
Speaker 1: They may have to get an attorney, but it's worth
40:50
Speaker 1: it because they need to see those records. The other
40:53
Speaker 1: thing I want to point out is my understanding is,
40:55
Speaker 1: and they can correct me if I'm wrong, that on
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Speaker 1: one of their friends thought that he had quote unquote
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Speaker 1: butt dialed with the phone in his pocket, but that
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Speaker 1: they heard another voice. And I've not heard any mention
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Speaker 1: of law enforcement at all, considering the fact that there
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Speaker 1: was another person with him. What about that, Sandy I've
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Speaker 1: asked him in the Nigga said well, we don't know,
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Speaker 1: you know. You know, every time I asked him questions,
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Speaker 1: it's either what's that going to tell us? Or I
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Speaker 1: guess we can, or we don't know, you know, and
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Speaker 1: they're not interested in finding out. I mean, I had
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Speaker 1: to look at his autopsy pictures to find out where
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Speaker 1: his phone was to find out that it was in
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Speaker 1: his pocket because it left a lividity mark on his leg.
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Speaker 1: And that was three months after I've gotten three different
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Speaker 1: answers of where his phone was, and they just didn't
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Speaker 1: general to me. To me, this sounds like it needs
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Speaker 1: to be handed over to the State Attorney General's office
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Speaker 1: because clearly the local police department is not acting. What
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Speaker 1: do you think about that? There's zero question this needs
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Speaker 1: to move somewhere else. Where is the phone? Nails, Sandy,
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Speaker 1: We have the phone. They released the phone and all
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Speaker 1: his stuff out of his pockets in four days to
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Speaker 1: the family. Okay, so they released the phone to you
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Speaker 1: the same time they destroyed the other evidence. Correct, And
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Speaker 1: that was before they even talked for a phone statement
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Speaker 1: to the second person he was with that night, Sandy,
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Speaker 1: if you considered passing this up moving it up and
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Speaker 1: asking the State aj to takeover. I have, and I've
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Speaker 1: I've spoke to the state actually three different times, and
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Speaker 1: just recently I spoke to the state. I have tried
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Speaker 1: to reach out to the Governor's office, the representatives, the senators,
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Speaker 1: trying to push to get the state to come in
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Speaker 1: because there are still things they can do. They can candidate.
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Speaker 1: What did the Attorney General's office say to you. The
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Speaker 1: Attorney General's office, it's up to the State Police. They
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Speaker 1: basically just said, we don't handle this. And then I
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Speaker 1: went to the State Police and I was able to
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Speaker 1: get pretty high up in the Springfield area, which is
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Speaker 1: where you know, our capital is in Illinois, and I
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Speaker 1: was reached out by District two and I spoke to
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Speaker 1: the commander and sergeant through um Um District two, which
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Speaker 1: is our district or the districts where Tyler died, and
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Speaker 1: they said, at this time they have not been invited in,
43:09
Speaker 1: but we are being told by the Gildsworth Police that
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Speaker 1: they did invite them in. So I'm being thrown back
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Speaker 1: and forth between the two. They say, well, you know,
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Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of all of the physical evidence
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Speaker 1: is gone. I said, but you can still canvass the
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Speaker 1: areas agree. We can still get a hold of all
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Speaker 1: those wrecords that you haven't been able to obtain, and
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Speaker 1: try to get the dash cam video and try to
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Speaker 1: interview other people. There's still a lot that can be done.
43:34
Speaker 1: We want answers. Maybe they entertain the idea that they
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Speaker 1: might need to exhume their son and have a second autopic.
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Speaker 1: We haven't. We have entertained that, but it's like it's
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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very hard to do that. And
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Speaker 1: I feel like, okay, if it shows that there's I mean,
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Speaker 1: can you get DNA after this point in time, after
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Speaker 1: five months off of a body? I don't know? Um?
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Speaker 1: Can you get UM? We could have him X rayed
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Speaker 1: and it could tell us he has broken bones, but
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Speaker 1: it's not going to tell us exactly probably what happened
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Speaker 1: to him at this point. So much evidence, the basic
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Speaker 1: things that could have been done at the scene were
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Speaker 1: not done, and I just I would exume his body
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Speaker 1: if it was something that would give us answers, I
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Speaker 1: would do it. But I'm not just gonna exume his
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Speaker 1: body if it's gonna just be Another person said, I
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Speaker 1: think I think I heard Keith Smith in the background,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, Kate. I was telling Sandy that when we
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Speaker 1: first went back to talk to him, that first thing
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Speaker 1: he was saying was, you know what could your son drowned?
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Speaker 1: And right then I just knew that there was no
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Speaker 1: going to be no effort towards his investigation. They let
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Speaker 1: me repeat that, the parents of this boy go to
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Speaker 1: police and they say, what the f can we do? Okay,
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Speaker 1: right there, that needs to go to the Attorney General's office.
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Speaker 1: Right there, they clearly don't have their heart in this investigation.
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Speaker 1: We want justice. If you have any information, please dial
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Speaker 1: Somebody knows something. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off, goodbye friend,