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Brennan's Day of Reckoning | Episode 370 · V

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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, welcome to Vince on a Tuesday. It's always
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  Speaker 1: We got a big show ahead. I got breaking news
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  Speaker 1: overnight on election integrity, a setback for those of us
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  Speaker 1: who would like to see a clean, fair election that
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  Speaker 1: was delivered by the Supreme Court. And we have a
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  Speaker 1: couple of great heroic Supreme Court justices who are furious
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  Speaker 1: about this, the details on that coming up. Also, John
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  Speaker 1: Brennan's future, what's in store for that sinister figure? Well,
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  Speaker 1: we just learned some more information about the grand conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: case down in South Florida. I'll share some details with
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  Speaker 1: you on that. And I've got so much more, I
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  Speaker 1: get to all of it today. It's a good problem
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  Speaker 1: nice to chat with him. It's always such an honor
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  Speaker 1: happy about that this morning. All right, let me start
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  Speaker 1: with some breaking news today for you. This is the
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  Speaker 1: United States Supreme Court overnight with a disastrous ruling. And
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  Speaker 1: this ruling is that President Trump is not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: protect American citizens and their mail-in ballots. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I could be any more blunt than that. That
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  Speaker 1: is what this is actually about. The New York Times
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  Speaker 1: today with the reporting, Supreme Court blocks Trump administration plan
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  Speaker 1: to screen mail-in ballots, to screen them. The Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: Monday blocking a Trump administration plan to dramatically change how
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  Speaker 1: Americans vote by mail. It wouldn't change that. Actually, this
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  Speaker 1: is immediately a lie. It doesn't change how Americans vote
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  Speaker 1: by mail. It would continue to allow Americans to vote
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  Speaker 1: by mail. It would just ensure that only Americans are
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  Speaker 1: voting by mail and nobody else. Of course, they lie
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  Speaker 1: to you. In the very first words of the story,
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  Speaker 1: in the lead up to the midterm elections, a major
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  Speaker 1: loss for President Trump. This is a major loss for
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  Speaker 1: the American people. Trump has long claimed without evidence that
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  Speaker 1: fraud is rampant in mail voting. There's a lot of evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter was a part of the Carter-Baker Commission in
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  Speaker 1: the early 2000s. where they declared that mail-in balloting was
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  Speaker 1: the single greatest vector for fraud. I could do this
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  Speaker 1: all freaking day. I'll take you through every word of
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  Speaker 1: a New York Times piece and tell you why they're
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  Speaker 1: lying to you. The ruling was a resounding win for
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  Speaker 1: Democrat-led states. Why is it a win for Democrats?
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  Speaker 2: Explore that.
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  Speaker 1: And so-called voting rights groups, which again are not protecting
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  Speaker 1: voting rights, they're doing the opposite. which had argued that
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  Speaker 1: the plan was unconstitutional and an existential threat to the
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  Speaker 1: democratic process. No, it was an existential threat to Democrat power.
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  Speaker 1: I can do this all freaking day long.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Give me another paragraph. The Trump administration's efforts, they said,
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  Speaker 1: would introduce chaos and confusion as early voting gears up
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  Speaker 1: in many states. Incorrect. It would introduce clarity to voting.
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  Speaker 1: It would prevent chaos and confusion. Still, the week-long legal
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  Speaker 1: tussle over the issue may have sown its own kind
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  Speaker 1: of confusion. A victory of sorts for Mr. Trump as
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  Speaker 1: he seeks to cast doubt on the integrity of the
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  Speaker 1: vote in an election his party might lose.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I see.
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  Speaker 1: So their position is Trump is trying to generate suspicion
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  Speaker 1: of a perfectly secure election. Now, correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't the New York Times tell us for a fleeting
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  Speaker 1: moment that in New Jersey, non-citizens had both registered to
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  Speaker 1: vote and subsequently cast ballots after Mikey Sherrill admitted as
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  Speaker 1: much on national television? Didn't they tell us this? Do
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  Speaker 1: the words New Jersey coming up in this piece? New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: let's see. New Jersey. No, they don't actually. There, look,
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  Speaker 1: I just searched for it. The words New Jersey, zero
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  Speaker 1: out of zero mentions. So the New York Times does
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  Speaker 1: not mention that at all to you.
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  Speaker 2: Clearly. Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see. In a one paragraph explanation, the court's majority
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  Speaker 1: wrote that the government was unlikely to succeed on the
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  Speaker 1: merits they claimed at the conclusion of additional litigation on
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  Speaker 1: the issue. Justice Brett Kavanaugh, one of the court's conservatives,
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  Speaker 1: wrote a one paragraph explanation. concurrence, a concurrence being that
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  Speaker 1: he joins the majority in the decision, but he has
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  Speaker 1: a different take on why. Writing for himself alone, he
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  Speaker 1: said that there was, quote, at least a fair prospect
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  Speaker 1: that new ballot rules issued by the Postal Service fell
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  Speaker 1: within its purview, but that allowing those changes so close
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  Speaker 1: to the midterms would be arbitrary and capricious. Ah, so
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  Speaker 1: there's not enough time to protect American ballots, is what
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  Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh wrote. Now, What are the normal people on
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  Speaker 1: the court saying about this subject? Well, Justice Alito and
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  Speaker 1: Justice Thomas, as always, the voices of sanity here, have
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  Speaker 1: come out and said, it's the courts who are responsible
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  Speaker 1: for this short timeline. President Trump intended to fix this
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago. And then the left... Tied the
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  Speaker 1: whole process up in litigation. The courts dragged their asses
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  Speaker 1: to actually get to a conclusion on this subject. Justice
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  Speaker 1: Katonji Brown Jackson was delaying even receiving responses from all
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  Speaker 1: of the interested parties. You remember when I flagged that
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  Speaker 1: for you? Remember when we talked about this? She was
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  Speaker 1: in no hurry to get this done.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: So she could leave the ballots vulnerable. And Justice Alito
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  Speaker 1: is calling this out. Eric Daugherty has an excellent ex-account.
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  Speaker 1: He always has great posts on this subject. He writes,
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  Speaker 1: holy smokes, Alito is furious. Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito
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  Speaker 1: just issued a scathing rebuke of the court, blocking the
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  Speaker 1: Postal Service's mail-in ballot rules, ripping activist judges for imposing
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  Speaker 1: the time constraints rather than the underlying EO actually being illegal. Quote,
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  Speaker 1: this is from Alito, the plaintiff states cannot claim the
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  Speaker 1: timing of the rule, tilts the equities in their favor,
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  Speaker 1: when they and courts hearing their claims are responsible for
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  Speaker 1: the delay. Not only was the government subject to months
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  Speaker 1: of premature litigation and a series of injunctions that this
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  Speaker 1: court later determined were likely issued without jurisdiction, the government
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  Speaker 1: had to wait another full month for this court to
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  Speaker 1: issue its decision so holding. The district court issued a
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  Speaker 1: nationwide injunction based on claims asserted by several plaintiff organizations
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  Speaker 1: that likely lack standing. In other words, this case should
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  Speaker 1: have never even gone forward. The district court entered several
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  Speaker 1: injunctions months later, prohibiting the government from undertaking that rulemaking.
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  Speaker 1: So Justice Alito, joined by Justice Thomas in the dissent,
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  Speaker 1: smashing the majority in this case. And I hate to
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  Speaker 1: tell you, but it just keeps happening. A bunch of
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  Speaker 1: weak-kneed so-called conservative justices joining with the libs on the
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  Speaker 1: court in an effort that was designed from the very
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  Speaker 1: beginning to rig America's elections and to prevent the kind
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  Speaker 1: of election integrity we need. President Trump was not doing
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  Speaker 1: anything untoward. He was actually being a wonderful steward of
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  Speaker 1: the trust that the American people have placed in him
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  Speaker 1: to protect American ballots. President Trump was not vetting what
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  Speaker 1: party you're a part of as you cast that ballot,
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  Speaker 1: this effort would have protected both Democrats and Republicans, ensuring
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  Speaker 1: that only American citizens could cast ballots and participate in
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  Speaker 1: our elections. Democrats are leaving it vulnerable. And you just
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  Speaker 1: heard it from the New York Times. They say this
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  Speaker 1: redounds to the benefit of the Democrat Party. I want
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  Speaker 1: to give you that quick breaking news item this morning
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  Speaker 1: as we start. It's a really, really freaking annoying story.
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  Speaker 1: Really annoying. for a million reasons, not least of all,
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  Speaker 1: that the New York Times is straight up lying to
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  Speaker 1: you in paragraph after paragraph, and I've got to untangle it.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of my job. Kind of my job. All right,
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  Speaker 1: now it's time for a grand conspiracy update. You ready
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  Speaker 1: for this? Here's what we might do on the radio show.
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  Speaker 3: And now it's time for a grand conspiracy update.
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  Speaker 1: And now it's time for a grand conspiracy update. Only
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  Speaker 1: on The Vince Show.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's time for a grand conspiracy update. I'm very
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  Speaker 1: excited to bring some more information to you about John Brennan.
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to you over the course of the
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  Speaker 1: last two programs that we just found out that Joe
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  Speaker 1: DiGenova left the South Florida grand conspiracy case. He was
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  Speaker 1: kind of leading the operation there. But as I walked
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  Speaker 1: through the details with you yesterday, it wasn't kind of
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  Speaker 1: the doomsday scenario that I think some in the media
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  Speaker 1: are trying to present. It was merely a difference in
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  Speaker 1: how quickly to proceed, how to make the charges stick,
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  Speaker 1: how much evidence you need to gather before you bring
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  Speaker 1: those charges. That appears to be the discrepancy between people
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  Speaker 1: at the main Justice Department and Joe DiGenova. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a matter of will we hold people criminally accountable? It
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  Speaker 1: was just how quickly and how much evidence do we
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  Speaker 1: need to gather before that occurs? That was it. So
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  Speaker 1: I took that as a very positive sign, actually, despite
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  Speaker 1: the fact that there are key strategic differences between these people.
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  Speaker 1: Now we get this. This comes to us from Politico
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  Speaker 1: overnight and a couple of other news outlets on this subject. Apparently,
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  Speaker 1: John Brennan is being subpoenaed to appear before a grand
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  Speaker 1: jury in the middle of this coming month, October. So
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  Speaker 1: you don't get to the target of the investigation until
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  Speaker 1: the very end of the process. So this is a
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  Speaker 1: meaningful update on this story. Federal prosecutors are still pursuing
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  Speaker 1: multiple grand jury investigations into President Trump's perceived enemies' political
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  Speaker 1: lies to its audience. It's not perceived. They're actually his enemies.
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  Speaker 1: They abused their power. They broke the law, and they
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  Speaker 1: were trying to hurt the president and his followers, his supporters,
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  Speaker 1: and therefore they deserve the consequences of their actions. I
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  Speaker 1: can do this with Politico, too, including a far-reaching probe
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  Speaker 1: into purported violations of Trump's civil rights.
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  Speaker 2: Now, purported, proven.
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  Speaker 1: A prominent defense attorney just said this in a court
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  Speaker 1: filing on Monday. One of the ongoing investigations focuses on
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  Speaker 1: whether former CIA director John Brennan lied to a House
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  Speaker 1: committee about the intelligence community's conclusion that Russia sought to
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  Speaker 1: aid Trump in the 2016 presidential campaign, according to Kenneth Weinstein. Weinstein,
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  Speaker 1: one or the other. an attorney for Brennan. Now, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, it's pretty crystal clear that John Brennan lied
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  Speaker 1: to Congress, to anybody who knows anything about this saga,
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  Speaker 1: and the role that John Brennan and James Comey played
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  Speaker 1: in forcing the so-called Steele dossier into the intelligence community assessment.
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  Speaker 1: This is all well-documented, and it's already public information. It's
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  Speaker 1: just a matter of just hitting these guys with the
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  Speaker 1: charges right now. Weinstein said in a declaration that was
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  Speaker 1: filed in federal court in Washington this week, that he
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  Speaker 1: participated in a conference call on Friday with several of
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  Speaker 1: the prosecutors. And remember, Friday would be a day after
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  Speaker 1: Joe DiGenova left the case. So he's still talking to
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  Speaker 1: these prosecutors. They're still conducting all of the efforts to
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  Speaker 1: bring these guys to justice. And they start talking to
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  Speaker 1: the defense attorney. One of the prosecutors was Kurt Olson.
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  Speaker 1: Politico's quick to note that he worked with President Trump about, quote,
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  Speaker 1: ways to block former President Joe Biden's 2020 victory. In
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  Speaker 1: other words, to audit the results of the 2020 election.
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  Speaker 1: Also worked on an unsuccessful Supreme Court challenge that red
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  Speaker 1: states had filed to that election and was brought into
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  Speaker 1: the administration earlier this year to pursue Trump's false claims
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  Speaker 1: that the election was stolen. That's Politico saying that. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: Politico does nothing. They say this without evidence. They claim
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  Speaker 1: it's false. Again, Without evidence, they make such an assertion.
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  Speaker 1: It's not journalism. It's left-wing hackery. Weinstein, excuse me, said
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  Speaker 1: Olson was also described, rather, Olson also described a far-reaching
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  Speaker 1: investigation into whether Trump's civil rights were violated by the
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  Speaker 1: criminal investigations he faced after leaving office. Well, there's no
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  Speaker 1: question that that's the case. Again, two eyes, two ears,
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  Speaker 1: two brain cells to rub together. You arrive at that conclusion.
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  Speaker 1: Brennan is a subject of that broader probe, Weinstein said
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  Speaker 1: he was told. And the investigation of the former CIA
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  Speaker 1: chief's comments to Congress could be treated as an element
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  Speaker 1: of the larger conspiracy investigation. Remember, reset your understanding of
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  Speaker 1: a grand conspiracy case. The reason why a grand conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: is so important for the way that they're doing the prosecution,
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  Speaker 1: the statute of limitations is very expansive. It continues from
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  Speaker 1: the last overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. So
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  Speaker 1: you could go all the way back to the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the conspiracy and still prosecute these guys. The statute
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  Speaker 1: of limitations becomes a lot more difficult to expire if
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  Speaker 1: it's a part of a grand conspiracy case. That's the
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  Speaker 1: way they're pursuing this. That is a detail that the
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  Speaker 1: media will rarely bring up to you because they really
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  Speaker 1: don't want you to know the truth and the credibility
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  Speaker 1: of this case. The president's loyalists have viewed a probe
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  Speaker 1: into violations of Trump's civil rights as a sort of
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  Speaker 1: karmic comeuppance. Now, it may be karmic. It is well-deserved
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  Speaker 1: because this is, it's not about inventing violations of law.
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  Speaker 1: You see, the people who went after Trump and Trump's
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  Speaker 1: aides and Trump's supporters, they did so without any legal
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  Speaker 1: predicate whatsoever. They invented criminal violations, and then they tried
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  Speaker 1: to use the power of government to destroy the lives
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  Speaker 1: of Trump and Trump supporters, okay? That is not what
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  Speaker 1: the president and his justice department is doing here. They're
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  Speaker 1: not in this game to create fake violations of law.
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  Speaker 1: They're not inventing criminal violations and then persecuting people on
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  Speaker 1: the basis of a lie. They're going after people who
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  Speaker 1: legitimately abused their power and violated the law. It's a massive,
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  Speaker 1: massive difference. Don't let the media pretend that this is
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  Speaker 1: some sort of apples to apples comparison. It is not.
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  Speaker 2: It is not.
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  Speaker 3: More.
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  Speaker 1: They say here that this is going to take place
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  Speaker 1: on October 15th. Weinstein indicated he received a grand jury
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  Speaker 1: subpoena that was signed by Joe DiGenova. and had exchanged
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  Speaker 1: emails with him just hours before he resigned. The subpoena
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  Speaker 1: called for Brennan to appear before the grand jury in
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  Speaker 1: Fort Pierce, Florida on October 15th, the defense lawyer said.
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  Speaker 1: So there we go. We have that to look forward to.
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  Speaker 1: We have that to look forward to. That is a
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  Speaker 1: big date. Mark your calendars. October 15th, a grand jury appearance.
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  Speaker 1: And if this timeline is going to move faster now,
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  Speaker 1: if that's the result of all of this, we may
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  Speaker 1: get some updates before the midterms. I hope we do.
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  Speaker 1: I really hope we do. And of course, I hope
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  Speaker 1: they do this the right way. They need to make
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  Speaker 1: it stick. They can't let these guys slip out. They're
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  Speaker 1: going to try, big time. All right, more ahead on
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  Speaker 1: the program. We've got a lot more to get to.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I want to talk to you a little bit about
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: something that's going on in the state of Massachusetts right now.
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  Speaker 1: The Democrats who run the state of Massachusetts, Have you
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  Speaker 1: guys seen this story? They kidnapped a child from a
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Catholic family, a little girl, teenage girl, who is a female.
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  Speaker 1: And the state just kidnapped her two years ago now.
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  Speaker 1: It's been going on this fight because the parents refused
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  Speaker 1: to say that she's actually a boy, to lie to her,
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  Speaker 1: to abuse her. You see what's happening? So because the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: parents don't abuse their child, the state takes her away
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  Speaker 1: from them? How can that stand? I've got the details
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  Speaker 1: on that coming up and some recommendations on how the
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  Speaker 1: rest of us can engage in this fight to try
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  Speaker 1: and restore some sanity. More ahead on this edition of Vince.
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  Speaker 1: Now, to this story that I want to share with you.
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  Speaker 1: This one is really distressing, but it is not shocking whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: This is the state of the world as we understand
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  Speaker 1: it now. The left has corrupted even intimate family relationships.
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  Speaker 1: And that brings me to this story. This is Fox
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  Speaker 1: News with the report. I want you to see this, guys,
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  Speaker 1: because this one is, again, very distressing. Here is Fox
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  Speaker 1: reporting on a family, a Catholic family in Massachusetts, who
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  Speaker 1: had their teenage daughter stolen from them because they refused
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  Speaker 1: to call her a boy. Listen to this.
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  Speaker 4: A devout Catholic family in Massachusetts locked in a huge
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  Speaker 4: legal fight to stop the state for transitioning their teen
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  Speaker 4: daughter to a boy without their consent.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Lauren Green's got more on this story here in New York.
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  Speaker 2: What have you found out, Lauren?
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  Speaker 3: Good morning.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Bill.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Joseph and Arlene Kutzko haven't spoken to their
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  Speaker 3: daughter since the end of 2024 after the Department of
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  Speaker 3: Children and Family Services removed her from their home. Family
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  Speaker 3: claims it was because of their Catholic faith that would
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  Speaker 3: not allow them to affirm their daughter as a boy.
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  Speaker 3: An emotional Joseph Kutzko reading the birthday card his daughter
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  Speaker 3: Sophie gave him in October of 2024.
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  Speaker 1: Without you, I would have nothing.
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  Speaker 2: So wholeheartedly, fully, sincerely, I love you with no end.
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  Speaker 3: Less than three months later, child services removed Sophie from
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  Speaker 3: their home and accused them of abuse. The Kutzko say
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  Speaker 3: their daughter's school, Algonquin Regional High School in Southboro, Massachusetts,
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  Speaker 3: exposed Sophie to a culture steeped in gender ideology and
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  Speaker 3: blame a school counselor for socially transitioning their daughter to
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  Speaker 3: becoming a boy without their knowledge or permission. They claim
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  Speaker 3: the counselor contacted child services. The school had no comment
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  Speaker 3: regarding the allegations.
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  Speaker 5: You start with school policies that refuse to inform parents
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  Speaker 5: when a child rejects their sex and claims another identity.
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  Speaker 5: That's part of a system that starts everything down the
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  Speaker 5: rabbit hole. Now, in this case, the school then reported
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  Speaker 5: these parents to DCF. So there was a direct school
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: to DCF pipeline in this case, as we have seen elsewhere.
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  Speaker 3: Now, DCF has assumed guardianship of their daughter. A permanent
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  Speaker 3: restraining order remains against Arlene and Joseph and Sophie's older brother.
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  Speaker 3: Her father and mother are distraught.
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  Speaker 1: Mama missed you. Please come home.
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  Speaker 3: Mama missed you.
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  Speaker 4: Please.
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  Speaker 1: I'm begging you, please.
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  Speaker 3: Now, we reached out to DCF for comment, but they
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  Speaker 3: have not yet responded. Last Friday, a judge temporarily blocked
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  Speaker 3: the state from giving Sophie a high-dose testosterone test. And
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  Speaker 3: the next court date is October 29th.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: Everything about that is distressing. By the way, you want
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  Speaker 1: the freaking government to control all of artificial intelligence? Do
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  Speaker 1: you desire that? Pretty certain it's not going to tell
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  Speaker 1: you the truth. I saw Kamala Harris and Barack Obama
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  Speaker 1: come out yesterday. I said, time for that government to
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  Speaker 1: take over AI.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: What are the chances that Democrats use power over artificial
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  Speaker 1: intelligence to rig every election that ever takes place in
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  Speaker 1: our country going forward? What are the chances? I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: did you say 100 percent? But on this story, you
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  Speaker 1: see what's happening. An agency that's nominally dedicated to preventing
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  Speaker 1: the abuse of children. is actually forcing parents to abuse
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  Speaker 1: their children or the state will kidnap the child. That's
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  Speaker 1: how demented, that's how demonic this is. That girl is
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  Speaker 1: a girl. There's no changing that. Trying to convince her
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  Speaker 1: otherwise is abuse. And the state is doing that. And
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  Speaker 1: they're breaking up the family. This is the kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing that should have any decent person up at arms,
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  Speaker 1: any decent person, including their church. You heard the emphasis there.
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  Speaker 1: Fox was reporting that they're Catholic parents. And just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, you can look a little bit into the parents.
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  Speaker 1: They're very active in their local church, very active. They
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  Speaker 1: do all sorts of things with the church and assist
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  Speaker 1: with all the parishioners there. And here they are, fighting
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  Speaker 1: just to get back in their daughter's life, fighting to
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  Speaker 1: get their daughter back from the state. Two years? How
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: much damage has been done to that child over the
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  Speaker 1: course of these last two years? They just, a judge,
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  Speaker 1: thank God a judge intervened for a moment to block
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  Speaker 1: testosterone from being injected into her. But it's not enough.
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  Speaker 1: This girl should be back at home with her family.
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  Speaker 1: And these sinister forces in the state are depriving them.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: This is false imprisonment. And so where's the church? Where's
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  Speaker 1: the parish on all of this? I haven't seen evidence.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe they are doing something, but I'd love to see
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: more evidence that that's the case. The parish community should
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: be rallying to support this family. Where's their pastor, their priest?
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  Speaker 1: Where's he at? What about their bishop? Will the bishop
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: speak out? You know, for those of us who lived
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: through COVID, all of us, one of the most disappointing
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: features of that era was the cowardice of so many
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  Speaker 1: faith leaders in the country to confront the threats to faith.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't stand up and speak out as publicly as
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  Speaker 1: they should have during that real threat to religious liberty.
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  Speaker 1: People being deprived of the ability to even worship as
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  Speaker 1: they choose by the state. Let's not let that happen again.
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  Speaker 1: Church leaders have an obligation to stand up for the faithful,
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  Speaker 1: to stand up for scripture, to stand up for the
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  Speaker 1: Holy Bible. which is really clear on this subject. You
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  Speaker 1: can't gender swap. The whole thing is crazy. You're created
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  Speaker 1: in the image and likeness of God. From the book
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  Speaker 1: of Genesis, we know that men and women are distinct categories.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: We need more courage out of faith leaders. Now, this week,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I do have some evidence of courage. I'm happy to
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  Speaker 1: share with you. It's in a different state. This time,
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  Speaker 1: it's in the northern Virginia area. And I know this
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  Speaker 1: in particular because I go to church in northern Virginia.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I was at church on Sunday at Mass. And I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: was very pleasantly surprised to hear a letter read from
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  Speaker 1: the bishop at the pulpit this weekend during the homily,
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  Speaker 1: the sermon, that declared that there are real threats to
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  Speaker 1: humanity coming this year in the Virginia election. There are
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  Speaker 1: constitutional amendments that are designed to kill children and forever
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  Speaker 1: destroy damage the real definition of marriage, which is it's
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  Speaker 1: a religious sacrament between a man and a woman. It's
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: an eternal promise. So this idea that it could be
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: something else, actually, you know, gay marriage is fine and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: gender isn't a real category. This is all built into
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  Speaker 1: these amendments that are being used to pervert the Virginia
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  Speaker 1: Constitution if Democrats get their way this year. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: the Virginia Constitution is among the finest constitutions in the
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  Speaker 1: whole country, including the Virginia Declaration of Rights, which is
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  Speaker 1: equivalent to the U.S. Bill of Rights in a way.
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  Speaker 1: the basis actually for the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Bill of Rights.
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  Speaker 1: And in the Virginia Declaration of Rights, it has even
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  Speaker 1: stronger protections for gun rights. And it has stronger protections
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  Speaker 1: for religious liberty. In fact, the Virginia Declaration of Rights
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  Speaker 1: refers to Christian temperance explicitly, which is pretty based.
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  Speaker 2: Love that.
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  Speaker 1: Every constitution should say that. But the left doesn't like
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  Speaker 1: that constitution. They're mad at it. It's upsetting to them.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, it's gotten in their way when they've tried
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  Speaker 1: to rig elections. in the state of Virginia. And so
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: now they're coming after life itself. And we just got
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  Speaker 1: an announcement. Again, it was read at the churches this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Half a million Catholics attending mass this weekend in Northern
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  Speaker 1: Virginia were able to hear this message, which is wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: Some churches stood and applauded when this message was done
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  Speaker 1: being read. And here is Bishop Michael Burbage, again, Arlington, Virginia,
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  Speaker 1: with a request to all Catholics, all Christians, all decent
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  Speaker 1: people to stand up and fight back against this demonic
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  Speaker 1: attempt by the Democrats. Listen to this. Here's Michael Burbage
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  Speaker 1: on the subject.
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  Speaker 4: Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, all of us in
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  Speaker 4: the Commonwealth of Virginia will soon face very serious legal
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  Speaker 4: threats to the sacredness of human life and the sanctity
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  Speaker 4: of marriage. During the upcoming election season, from September the
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  Speaker 4: 18th to November the 3rd, two dangerous ballot initiatives will
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  Speaker 4: be brought before all voters. One amendment, which will appear
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  Speaker 4: as ballot question one, proposes an extreme and vague change
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  Speaker 4: to the Virginia Constitution and would create a legal right
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  Speaker 4: to unregulated abortions performed by unlicensed practitioners at any time
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  Speaker 4: during pregnancy. This threatens the health and safety of mothers
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  Speaker 4: and would allow for abortions targeting healthy babies all the
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  Speaker 4: way up to birth. The amendment extends this so-called right
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  Speaker 4: even to minors. It would remove the role of parents
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  Speaker 4: concerning life-altering and irreversible decisions for their minor daughters. Unfortunately,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: abortion is already legal in Virginia. But what is on
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  Speaker 4: the ballot this fall would expand abortion beyond what most
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  Speaker 4: citizens recognize as reasonable limits. The proposed amendment is extreme.
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  Speaker 4: It is unnecessary and it is wrong. Another amendment, which
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  Speaker 4: will appear as ballot question two, would remove from our
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  Speaker 4: state constitution the truth, as Jesus taught, that marriage is
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  Speaker 4: between one.
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  Speaker 2: Man and one woman.
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  Speaker 4: It would also enshrine gender ideology by falsely separating the
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  Speaker 4: reality of one's sex and gender, obscuring the truth that
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  Speaker 4: we are created in the image and likeness of God.
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  Speaker 3: Amen.
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  Speaker 4: Yet, with God's grace, there is always hope. We the
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  Speaker 4: people can unite to defeat these demons. dangerous amendments to
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  Speaker 4: our Commonwealth's Constitution. The Church is not partisan. The Church
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  Speaker 4: never advocates for or against specific candidates or parties. At
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  Speaker 4: the same time, the Church's infidelity to the Gospel and
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  Speaker 4: her mission always speaks clearly, faithfully, and truthfully concerning matters
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  Speaker 4: of faith and morals in public life.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Not always.
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  Speaker 2: It should, though. It should.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a wonderful addition to the effort to
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  Speaker 1: tell the truth on matters of faith and morals in
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  Speaker 1: public life.
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: As Bishop Burbage is telling hundreds of thousands of Catholics
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  Speaker 1: in Northern Virginia, it's time to vote no on these amendments.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, that's the battleground. Northern Virginia, that's
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: where all the Democrats are concentrated because the federal government
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  Speaker 1: is there and then all of these Democrat votes emanate
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: out of the federal government because of their dependency on it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: This is where the battle is. And good for him
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  Speaker 1: for coming out and telling people you have to vote
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  Speaker 1: no on these poisonous, evil amendments that are designed to
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  Speaker 1: diminish democracy the value of humanity, to diminish the value
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  Speaker 1: of our relationships, and to lead a full frontal assault
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  Speaker 1: on the eternal truth. Good for him. I want to
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: see more of it, don't you? Don't you? You know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the left uses, they exploit churches all the time for
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: their own political ends. Have you seen these souls to
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  Speaker 1: the polls operations that they do? They're not designed to
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  Speaker 1: have people go to the polls and freely vote for
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: who they want. They're designed to rig elections for Democrats.
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  Speaker 1: They'll go round up voters at churches and drag them
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  Speaker 1: to the polls to vote for Democrats. They've been doing
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  Speaker 1: this forever. Meanwhile, normal people who want normal policies, not
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: transing the kids or aborting the children, very often they
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: attend churches and then nobody ever really talks about the
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: big public issues that are confronting us and the role
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: that the faithful should have in confronting those. It's not discussed.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: In fact, I think a lot of churches are scared
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to scare away their flock. That, oh no, people might
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: not go to church if we tell them the truth
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  Speaker 1: about what's happening around them. But the point of church
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: is not to conform religion to the world. It's to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: conform the world to eternity and God's eternal truth. So
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: if you're a church leader, if you're a religious leader,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: if you're a Christian leader of any denomination, you have
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  Speaker 1: a spiritual and moral obligation to always tell the truth.
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  Speaker 1: including when it's uncomfortable, including when people might be offended
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  Speaker 1: because they have preconceived notions that are incorrect. Tell them
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the truth. It'll set you free. More ahead coming up
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: on this edition of Vince. The great Victor Davis Hanson
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  Speaker 1: said to join us in just a moment. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk to him about his incredible new book, looking
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  Speaker 1: at how President Trump pulled off the impossible. The media,
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  Speaker 1: the Democrat Party. the social media forces, the justice system,
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  Speaker 1: all conspired to prevent him from ever returning to power,
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  Speaker 1: even members of his own party. And yet he came
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  Speaker 1: back anyway. How did he do it? Nobody's studied this
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  Speaker 1: He is Victor Davis Hanson, the author of The Counter Revolution,
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  Speaker 1: which is the fall and rise of Donald Trump and
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  Speaker 1: the MAGA movement. He's also written a whole bunch of
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: other New York Times bestselling books on the subject as well.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you, sir. Thank you very much, as always,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: for spending some time with me.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, Ben.
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  Speaker 1: The new book, The Counter Revolution, you're taking a close
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: look at a man who has absolutely defied political gravity.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I think by any conventional standard, you really can't come
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: back from the kind of the prison that the left
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and the media had created for President Trump. And yet
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  Speaker 1: he did anyway. Can you walk us through, just remind
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  Speaker 1: people of how distant President Trump was from ever coming
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: back to office?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the reasons I wrote the book,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't think we've, there were two things we'd
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: never seen. I don't think we ever saw an effort
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: not just by a political party, but by the institutions
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: of the government, state, local, federal, and the so-called system
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  Speaker 2: to destroy an ex-president and a political candidate. And I
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: mean that in the holistic sense of psychologically, physically, financially, spiritually.
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  Speaker 2: And so any conceivable reason thing that you could imagine,
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  Speaker 2: legal or not, they employed. They tried to get him
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: off almost 25 state ballots so we would have no choice,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: we the American people. They raided his home and they
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: found 102 classified documents out of somewhere between 11,000 and 14,000.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: And at the same time, Joe Biden had four different
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: locations where he had over at least 30 or 40
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: classified with no prerogative at the time they were removed
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: as president to declassify them. So we had that. Then
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: we had, that came on top of the fact that
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: he was the first and only president to be impeached twice,
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  Speaker 2: the first and only president to be tried as a
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: private citizen, first president to have his home raided. Then
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: we had, as I said, five civil and criminal suits
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: And all of them, I think, will be eventually overturned.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Some of them already have been. Jack Smith, he wanted
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: to charge him with insurrection. Even he couldn't do that. And,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: of course, Jack Smith had ethical issues of his own.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: He had three legal services he didn't report. He tried
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: to rush his indictment ahead of the court calendar just
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: to coincide with the election. Fannie Willis and her paramour
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: imploded into it. a whole ball of improprieties. Latita James
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: herself had real estate problems and she was saying that
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Mar-a-Lago couldn't be worth $ 17 million as Trump listed it.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Just the other day, I think Forbes said it was
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: worth $ 650 million. Yes. They had a bill of attainder
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: in the E. Jean Carroll case, a special law that
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: had to be passed by the New York legislature to
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: say that all sexual harassment charges would have no statute
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: of limitations, just for one year, just so Donald Trump
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: could be charged by her. And, of course, Alvin Bragg
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: was told by federal prosecutors there was no there there.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: He tried to bootstrap that into a state case and
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: said that the nondisclosure form had nothing to do with
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: protecting his name or his family's, which is the point
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: of it. So we went through all of that. And
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: then he's the only present in history that the Secret
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Service has returned fire and four separate occasions that it
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: would be assassin. Twice in Florida, once in Pennsylvania, once
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: in Washington. I could go on, but we've never seen
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: anything like that. So obviously no one could recover from that,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: especially someone who was a septuagenarian. Yeah. And yet he
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: not only recovered, he became stronger and stronger. Each one
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: of those things I detailed, his polls went up. It
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: wasn't like he had no opposition. At the time, I
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: start the book at his nadir after Jamal. 6th, where
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: he was called a traitor, an insurrectionist, a rebel, a confederate,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: a Nazi. And Ron DeSantis, who was really a superb governor,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: had just come off this great win in Florida, and
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: he was considered the head of basically the future of
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the Republican Party. Nikki Haley was a strong candidate, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: he crushed both of those within, I don't know, three
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: weeks when he declared his candidacy in 2022 on November 17th.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, and much of his own party. attempted to write
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: his political obituary after January 6th. I mean, Lindsey Graham, who,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: of course, the president just honored at his passing and
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: has thought fondly of, Lindsey Graham was among those who
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: was ready to write off President Trump after January 6th,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: and there were many Republicans attempting to do that.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Including the Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell said, and I'm
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: quoting him verbatim, it couldn't have happened, meaning his destruction,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: to a nicer SOB. That's what he said about... Donald Trump,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: even people like Kevin McCarthy, everybody was, if they didn't
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: criticize him overtly, they were separating themselves. And they were
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: banging into the narrative that five law officers had been killed.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: In fact, none of them had been killed that day.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: One died the next day, Brian Sicknick, from a stroke.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: The other five or four committed suicide for various reasons
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: on into the next two years. The only person who
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: died was Ashley Babbitt, and she was 105-pound, 13-year military
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: veteran who was lethally shot for the misdemeanor of going
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: through a broken window.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And also, Roseanne Boyland was the other. She was a
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Trump supporter who was.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: She was crushed in the crowd. We don't quite know
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: what happened to her. Yes.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: But they're only Trump supporters, in other words, died on
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: January 6th. So.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: And Officer Byrd, who shot... Miss Babbitt.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Anytime in America you shoot an unarmed suspect, that officer's
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: name is released. We know that. His name was suppressed
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: for almost six months. He played the victim. And then
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: we found out that he had a dubious record of
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: mishandling firearms, leaving a revolver in a bathroom, shooting at
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: somebody in a neighborhood. So the whole thing I wanted
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: to chronicle all of that, show how hard it would
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: be for anybody to survive and recover, but also as
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: a chapter in American history when people really did think
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: that they had a right, a moral and legal right
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to destroy our institutions for the greater good of destroying
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, as they argued.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: So one more element of the depths that he was in.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: He had very... few means to communicate with the public
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: during this period. He was removed entirely from social media.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: The legacy media outlets refused to show you anything he
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: said in an unfiltered way. And so he devised Truth Social.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: It was kind of like the only vehicle that he
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: could communicate to the public through.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Yes. And the one, he had a slight chance with
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: this new social media platform, Parler, Parler, whichever way we
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: want to pronounce the French word, And immediately when that
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: was identified as a conservative resort for Trump, they destroyed that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: They deplatformed it. It had no app ability. And they
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: crushed that. And not only that, he was essentially debanked.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Even Jamie Dimon finally confessed that the major banks had
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: debanked him. He couldn't write a check. He couldn't do banking.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: And his wife's account, his son's account were canceled. So
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: he was a persona non grata in every sense of
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: the word. He couldn't communicate with his people. He was
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: under these indictments. They were trying to find out they
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: were going to break him. They were thinking of things
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: that are, I mean, the idea that you would list
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: a piece of property and the bank would accept your
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: evaluation of it. You would pay the loan back with
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: interest ahead of time and then they would come back
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: and the government would say, we're going to indict you
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: because the bank is wrong and we think that property
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: wasn't worth what you said it was. And by the way,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: that's going to cost you almost a half a billion
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: dollars with fines and interest in the case of Latita James.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: That was just unheard of.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: So how did this happen then? So given all of
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: the impediments, all of the things that were thrown in
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: front of his ability to return to power, how did
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: he do that?
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Well, he did it, first of all, I think they
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: had underestimated his resilience that was demonstrable from early on.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: He had written Art of the Deal, and then he
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: had been completely humiliated with the casino collapse in New Jersey.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: and he went into a room of bankers, essentially, and
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: he had zero net worth, but probably more like he
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: owed a billion dollars. And he said to them, you're
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: never going to get your money unless we work out
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: a deal of graduated payment and reduction of debt. And
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: every time that something had happened to him, he had
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: a record that it didn't faze him. I think any
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: of us, if you had been called the names and
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: the embarrassment that they had tried to incur on his family,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: and the viciousness. And remember, this was a time when Madonna,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Snoop Dogg, Kathy Griffith, they were talking about beheading him,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: burning him, stabbing him, shooting him, every type of destruction,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: personal destruction. Peter Fonda was saying, I want to put
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Melania in prison. I want to put Barron and Melania
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: in a cage. I wanted to get this straight and
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: then have everybody look at them as animals and then
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: light it on fire. It was a very crazy time
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and he never gave up. He didn't seem to phase him.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I think part of the reason why is he understood
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: that there was a huge middle class out there. It
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: wasn't just the middle class white worker. It was black males,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Hispanic males. that they really felt that no one cared
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: about them, that the institutions and the proverbial system were
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: rigged against them, and that our bi-coastal elites wanted to
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: make money with China against our national interest and their interest.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: And all of these new phenomenon, the Green New Deal,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: no cash bail, DEI, mass amnesty, open borders, were all
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: violations of either the traditions of America or the laws
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: of America, and they were usually the victims of these ideologies,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: whether it was affirmative action or open borders or people
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: in the military being drummed out because they wouldn't get
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: vaccinated while illegal aliens were coming in at 10,000. I
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: think all of that kept him going, that he knew
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: that he always had a large group maybe 35% of
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the population that would stick with him no matter what. Yeah.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: So he comes back on the strength of everything you
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: just described. The American people did not forget. They rallied
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: to his side. They saw the injustices against him, and
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: they said, I'm voting for that guy. In fact, he
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: attracted new voters in the midst of all of that.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Now he's president of the United States. All those forces
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: still exist, and they're furious at him. They're furious about
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: his pursuit of accountability. They're furious that they're being scrutinized
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: by the Justice Department. They're furious that they're not in charge.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: If the Democrats win power back, including especially in the
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: White House, what do they do with it, do you think?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I think he said, and I think Obama's last year,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: two years when he did lose the Congress under our system,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: he will survive if he loses the House and Senate.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: He won't be able to nominate. But they won't either.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: He can stop that. They will try to cut off
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: the war in Iran if it's still going on. They
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: will try to, in the next two years, it will
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: be a legal circus. The House's entire time, the Senate
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: will be calling in Donald Trump, Don Jr., Jared Kushner, Ivanka,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: all the people in the Rock Bridge, the 1789, all
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: of that group will be in there every single day.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: They will investigate. Pete Hexeth, you name it. They're all
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: going to be investigated. And it's going to be a circus. That,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I think, if that should happen, there will be a
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: rebellion or a rebound against that, a reaction to that.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: In 2000, I think right now, when we look at 2028,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I don't see any of their... issues as 70-30 or 60-40.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I see it negative 30-70. I don't think anybody wants
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: to go back to an open border. Everybody's worried that
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: we have 53 million people here that weren't born in
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: the United States. I think nobody wants to go back
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: to massive green subsidies. Nobody wants to go back to
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: the types of permissiveness in the jurisprudence system that led
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: to the crime after George Floyd death. We don't want
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: to go back to the George Floyd hysterias on DEI.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: So I think the issues are with the Republicans. And
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I think that the major political figures on the right, J.D. Vance,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Marco Rubio, Ron DeSantis, you name it, and people like
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz and they are much more
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: impressive in the eyes of the American people than the
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Democratic field. Yes. So they have a lot of advantages
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: and they have the issues on their side. The problem
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I see it is that although they don't have the
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: ideological civil war that the left is going to have,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: they're going to have a problem with financing donors and
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: they've got to get over it about what to do
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: with a very vocal apostate right. For example, I think
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: today or yesterday, Tucker Carlson said that Donald Trump should
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: be removed and he was a criminal and he's now
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: going to endorse El-Said. I think if he continues to
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: say that, he'll talk himself into irrelevance as Marjorie Taylor
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Greene has done and Thomas Massey.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: By the way, I don't think that he said he
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: would endorse El-Said. I think he said, That he would
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: never vote for Mike Rogers. I believe that's what he said.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, but that's a quasi endorsement. Sure.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I just want to be clear about what, as I
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: understand what he said.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: But I was saying that by saying that he's telling
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: millions of Republicans, if you followed his example and you
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: did not vote for Mike Rogers. Right. The only possible
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: result would be.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yep. And I don't understand that because El-Sayed has
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: talked about Sharia law. He's talked about hurt people doing
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: hurt things in reference to something. And I don't quite.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: He's a whack job.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Yes. But I don't know how influential that will be
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: two years from now, that group. And there's variations or gradations.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: There's the Nick Fuentes more extreme. There's Megyn Kelly on
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: the other side. They're all there, but they deeply have
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: three issues in common. One, they... don't want to have
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: an optional war of any sort, an optional, what they
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: call optional. I don't think necessarily stopping the nuclear program
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: of Iran would always be an optional. At some point,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: it was going to be necessary. They do want to
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: separate from Israel. They want to consider it no different
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: or no worse than, say, Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. They're
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: not special, even though it's the only democratic country and
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: part of the Judeo-Christian traditions. And I do think that
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: in the things that at least Tucker has said, and
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Candace Owens has said, and Thomas Massey has said, and
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: some of the Epstein remark, they do feel that Jewish
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Americans are too influential. And they sometimes border in the
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: description of that lobby in a way that could be
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: easily identified as being anti-Semitic.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: But the question I have is fundamentally, if the left
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: does get the presidency back, I mean, you just described
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: in a number of ways the appetite to rig our
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: elections that exists on the left. It's insatiable. I mean,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: you saw it happen with President Trump. They've abused every
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: vessel of power in order to get power, permanent power.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: And you're also describing the insanity of a left that
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: if it gets power, my expectation is that they will
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: be out for blood with President Trump and his supporters,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: don't you think?
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean- They haven't learned it. They've forgotten nothing
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: and they've learned nothing. And they will do it again,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: even though it failed against Trump. They're going to do
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: it if they get the Congress. They're going to try
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: to get a national impeachment movement in the House and
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: the Senate. And they hope that will encourage local prosecutors
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: to start doing the same thing. They're going to legitimize
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: that nationwide. And I say that because this... Narrative that
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: all of these things were organic and local is complete lie.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: And I point out in the book, take just one example.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump declares on November 15th he's going to run
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: in 2022. Two and a half days later on November 18th,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: in the White House on the same day is Nathan Wade.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: And he's meeting with a White House counsel for no
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: other reason but to coordinate the Fannie Willis case. Yes. Registrar.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: That same day, Michael Colangelo, who's the third person in
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: the DOJ and has come from the Alvin Bragg municipal suit,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: the Stormy Daniels suit, he, excuse me, he's come from
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: the Latita James suit. He resigns that same day. And
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: then he joins Alvin Bragg's legal team a few days later.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: That same day, Jack Smith is appointed as special counsel
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: to go after Donk. That same day, for some reason,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Letitia James shows up in the register of visitors to
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: the White House. So I don't know necessarily what she
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: was doing, but I do know that they were coordinating
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: these state and local to go after and destroy. And
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: that decision to do that was predicated on his announcement
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: he was going to run for president.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and now all of that is under.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, and they will do it. Absolutely. Again, they are not,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: just like they never apologized for the Steele dossier or
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: the 51 intelligence officers who lied about Hunter's laptop right
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: on the eve of the election. I think that's one
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: of the most, as I say in the book, that
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: is one of the most neglected, but egregious examples of tampering.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: When you have people, and some of them were not retired,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: they were active contractors working with the CIA at that time.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: as a contractual basis when none of them, not John Brennan,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: not James Clapper, not Leon Panetta, none of them, not
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Mike Morrell has ever apologized for feeding that lie that
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Hunter's Biden was the work of Russian, and they called
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: it information project rather than disinformation to say that they weren't,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: they had a little out. But they basically said that
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: the laptop was not authentic. It was cooked up in Russia.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: And Joe Biden took that and he ran with it
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: in that debate. And we had a Republican pollster that
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: said that made a big difference. And they've never apologized
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: for that. None of those prosecutors have ever apologized. No,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: not at all.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: And if you can rig the mind, you can rig
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: their vote. And that's what they were doing with that.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: So one more element I want to ask you about.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: The Butler, Pennsylvania shooting. The assassination attempt on the president.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: The president gets shot. He stands up. He chants, fight, fight, fight.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: And America... reacts with shock at, first of all, what
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: just happened, but also his poise in the wake of
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: that attack. What did you learn about the president then?
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I felt like that was a moment that even people
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: who have studied him well have learned quite a bit
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: about him. What did you think of that?
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Well, the left had peddled this narrative that he was
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: cowardly because he had an exemption in Vietnam War or
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: that he was a protected, wealthy person And that showed
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: you that not only all of his rallies put him
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: in danger, and by the way, there were people within
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: the Secret Service that didn't like him, not that they
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: wanted something ill to happen to him, but they were
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: not as careful and they didn't scrutinize the environments in
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: a way that they would in another candidate. This wouldn't
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: have happened. I would point out, he's the only president
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: in history that on four separate occasions The Secret Service
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: has had to return fire or shoot at a potential
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: assassin twice, once at Mar-a-Lago, once in a golf course
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: in Florida, once in Pennsylvania, and once in the White
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: House correspondence. So we learned that that did not faze him.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: He jumped up. And the press got furious because although
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: it was a superficial wound, it was very close to
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: his brain, and it spread blood across him. So that image,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: it really affected people. People all... Mark Zuckerberg, who had given,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: I pointed out, he'd given $ 419 million in 2020 in
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: his various subordinate foundations to take over the work, basically
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: take over the work of the registrars or augment them
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: in purple states.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: And he said, that was a really great thing. I couldn't,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: that was a kick out. He said something that it
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: was kind of an expletive, but that was amazing. And
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: that was really what triggered Elon Musk to come out
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: of the woodwork and say, you know what? I'm really
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: for him. There were about three or four iconic things
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: in his road to recovery. You're right to point that out.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Another one was when he was at the McDonald's stunt
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: and that Indian American company couple came in in their
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: car and they said they want this. And he said,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: thank you for saving. but we're just nobodies and he
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: said you're not nobodies you're somebody both of you and
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: that came out of the heart that was really stunning
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: and then the garbage truck thing was brilliant there were
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: two or three things he did even things that everybody
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: in conventional wisdom said We're going to destroy him. It
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: was stupid. When he was with a group of people
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: and they asked him about, was Kamala Harris black? And
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: he said, I don't know what she is. I don't
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: know if she's Asian. I don't know if she's black.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Whatever she wants to be, she can be that. And
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: everybody got angry. But then people in the black community,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: especially black males, said, you know, I'm not sure that
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: she is black. She never identifies with us. She grew
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: up in Berkeley. She said Oakland, but she grew up
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: in Berkeley. Her Both her parents were PhDs. And then
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: he really, he kind of so rattled the authenticity questions
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: about Kamala Harris.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: And her parents were Jamaican and Indian, specifically. And so
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: basically he tapped into conversations, as he always does, that
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: normal people are having, which are an affront on an
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: elite stage.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, and they panicked. And then she, in reaction to that, said,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: really suicidal fashion said two things that were completely self,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: they were a revelation of who she was, but they
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: were damning. And one was, she said, well, I own
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: a Glock. And they said, there's no evidence you've ever
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: had a Glock. It's not registered. And then she said,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: I worked at McDonald's too. Where, what year? And they
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: were complete fabrications. So that really, and then they had
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: another story that came out that she was paying indirectly, Beyonce,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: and Oprah, a million dollars for their companies. So she
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: was buying endorsements. And now all of that, I give
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: credit to that campaign. As I tried to point out,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: they really hammered that authenticity question. The other thing that
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: really helped him very quickly was, contrary, when J.D. Vance
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: was being considered, a lot of the politicals said, he's
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: white male, no diversity there. He's from Ohio. which is
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: a sure thing red state, what is the logic that
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: he brings to the ticket? Balance. And he's just an
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: intensifier of a mega agenda. And basically the Trump people said,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: wait till you see him handle the media. And when
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: he went in 30, 40 times to the Sunday shows, impromptu,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: that debate, I've never seen a debate where one of
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: the candidates completely dismantled As he did Tim Walz and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: then was magnanimous and said, you know, Tim and I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: would agree. He didn't put his boot on his neck,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: but he demolished that.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Tim liked him by the end of the debate. Tim's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: regret was that he liked him.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: He did. And he was completely humiliated. And J.D. turned
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: out to be one of the most effective candidates.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Of all four and one of the best choice. And
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: nobody expected that. Trump had a gut instinct about that.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: He did it to a New York Times reporter, too,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: in a phenomenal podcast where they were talking about housing prices.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: And she was like, what are you going to do
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: to lower housing prices? What if we deported millions of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: people who shouldn't be here competing for housing? And she
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: looked stunned by it. And normal people saw that and said, good, finally,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: somebody brings that case to the New York Times, does
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: it without shame.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: And they can never, they tried every angle to pitch it.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: He was They tried to, well, he was white trash,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: poor white Appalachian. Then, well, he was Yale. He was
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: privileged at Yale. Well, he didn't really go to the war. Well,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: he was in a war zone or he's racist. Oh, well,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: he's married to somebody with an Indian ancestry. So they
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: couldn't quite nail him. And he was very adroit. That
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: was a very inspired selection.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you then one more question since you
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: mentioned J.D. Vance, just about the future of American politics,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: regardless of whether or not J.D. is the nominee. The
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: question before us, I can tell there's a feeling in
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Washington that when President Trump leaves office, his politics disappear
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: with him. That's the hope in Washington, that whatever put
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Trump into office, it'll just be gone. The American people
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: will go back to sleep. They're not going to be
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: so obsessive over the details of the House and the
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Senate and all these other things. Do you think that's true?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Or do you think things have forever changed?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: They're forever changed, at least for the Republican Party. And
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: as I said, I addressed that question in the last
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: chapter of the book. And he did change the Democratic Party.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: He brought out the worst in them. They couldn't handle
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: him such that they really radicalized them so that everybody
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: thinks the socialists captured or hijacked the Democratic Party. Almost
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: every issue, whether it's packing the court, bringing in new states,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Destroying the electoral college, destroying the filibuster, opening the border,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: defunding the police. All that was there in the new
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Democratic Party. The socialists just brought you youthful energy. And
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: as far as the Republican Party, we're not going to
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: go back to a George H.W. Bush candidate saying that
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: he's going to lower capital gains. I would like to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: see them lowered. But compared to what Trump said, I'm
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: going to lower your tips and I'm going to help
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Our farmer, it's a, for what the aristocracy doesn't understand,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: it's now a workers' middle class party. And they said
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: that he would offend the new diverse population. And the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: truth of it, he got more Hispanics and blacks to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: vote for him because of his middle class emphases. They
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: don't understand one thing about him. For all of his
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: supposed inconsistencies and crudities, he has a sincere, authentic affinity
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: with the middle class. He likes working people. He likes
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: their entertainment. He likes their food. He likes to be
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: around them. And they can't stand that because they all
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: thought that they were the champions of the non-wealthy. Turned
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: out that a multi-millionaire from Manhattan had... more insight to
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: the American middle class. And that was only possible if
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: he really did like them. And he does like them.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: That's a lot behind his terror policies too. Yeah.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You're right about that. The book is The Counter-Revolution,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: The Fall and Rise of Donald Trump and the MAGA Movement.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Nobody's better at telling this story than Victor Davis Hanson. Sir,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: thank you very much for your time.
• 1:05:50
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• 1:05:52
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• 1:05:52
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• 1:05:57
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