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Magic Moments and Gig Stories #206 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys they do magic they are the magic guys.
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Oh what a funny what a funny way to start but i'm you know what i'm glad we
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know now and i haven't done an hour of talking into this microphone when actually
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it's been coming out of the camera behind the display like display thing gosh
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anyway to my left we've got nick k,
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Hello from Canada, friends. I'm hearing in the code myself.
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I hope that you're not dealing with that. Hooray!
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Friends, I will remind you, we do this show live.
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There is no safety net. We're just two drunk professionals. One drunk professional, one pro.
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And here we are, guys. Thank you for joining us today. Thomas, Tim Askin, Scotty Link.
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Thank you all for being here. Andy Lackey, that's a new face.
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Good to see you, bud. Yeah. What's up?
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But thank you all for being here now. Yeah. So we did ask you guys to send through
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some speak pipes of any questions and queries that you may have.
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A few of you guys have done that. It's not too late to do it.
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Or if you do have questions, you can put them in the comments,
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in the chat, and we'll answer them live here on the interwebs.
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Absolutely. Yeah. So thank you all for doing that. Yeah.
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Yeah. Look, we want to keep it fresh and we love hearing from you guys.
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And we're always surprised what comes out of our speak pipes.
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And it's always super encouraging to hear you guys doing well and then gig stories and questions.
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Who knows what's going to come up? Our first one is from Caden.
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Did I see Caden in the chat as well? Well, he's here in spirit if he's not.
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But we have one from Caden. I'm going to unmute the Bluetooth and watch Nick
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for the volume and we're going to see what Caden's up to. Here we go.
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Hey, what up, Magic guys? This is Caden here. I wanted to tell you about a quick gig story.
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And that gig story is actually that I just had my first ever real gig last night.
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I did a Valentine's banquet at a church here in my hometown in Minnesota.
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And I did about an hour of roving 30 minutes before a meal, 30 minutes after.
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And then I also did a short, I think it was like a 15 ish minute stage show
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that was all Valentine's themed following kind of a sequential journey using
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like a theme of like following the journey of finding your spouse and all three
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tricks built off one another.
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If anyone's curious about that, I'd be happy to talk more about that in the
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Discord, like what tricks I did or anything.
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But I just got to say, after doing my first gig, man, this is so awesome. I am super pumped up.
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And I just had this feeling like if I could do this every day for the rest of
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my life, I would be so happy.
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And I just wanted to say thank you guys, because it's a lot of your performance
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tips that have helped me get to the point that I'm at.
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Let's go, Tayden! Jeez, man.
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Tell you what, man, like that is a baptism by fire to jump into a gig in which
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you start roving table to table and doing stage portion.
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And we've discussed this in episodes past where we've sort of debated whether
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or not it's better to do the roving thing prior to doing a stage show.
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I've always said it is because everyone kind of when you when you do break the
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ice and you do do something nice for them, they go, I'll do some more.
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I'm like, I'm going to be on the stage afterwards.
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So make sure you stick around. and they know to expect to
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see more magic and they know to give that attention so i
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think that as far as a first one goes it's great
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like good for you man and thank you uh
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for the kind words and letting us be a part of your journey please keep it
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going we want to keep hearing all the awesome things you get up to like
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that is so great thank you for sharing that yeah the
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fact that you did a stage show at your first gig is
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incredible as well and what you're
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talking about like the epiphany of how fun it is
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guys that's just like so you
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know that's what we're always going on about like it's
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one thing to make video little videos that we
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post online and stuff to camera and hope they go
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viral blah blah blah but the real like intoxicating like
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like passion for magic comes from
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performing to actual people and when
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it's in a gig environment and it's not like your family
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or friends and then they love the thing that you
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just did it's like the best freaking feeling in the world another thing i want
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to make mention actually is that you might end up in a situation where you do
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a show everyone loves it everyone receiving your magic is like this is the greatest
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thing ever but you're like i wasn't that good.
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Because it didn't feel as good as gigs you've done prior. And that's,
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I hope, I hope you experienced that, Caden.
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I hope that you have that to look forward to. And remember this comment where
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you're like, Nick did say that there's going to be a gig where they have the best time and I didn't.
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That is going to happen at some point. It's just a matter of time.
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So don't be discouraged about like how it always makes you feel.
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Yeah. But you know, you're just getting into it. So like, it's going to be a
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while before you feel that. I think that high is going to stay with you for
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a while, but that's awesome, bro. It's awesome.
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I think there's another one from Caden a little bit later, another speed pipe.
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But look, also, did we mention Doug? So Doug, he's killing it at Trick Supply.
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And I want to let you guys know, thank you.
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Someone who ordered from Trick Supply put in the comment of their order that
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they heard about Trick Supply through listening to this podcast.
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So that helps out Doug so much and helps him justify why he's streaming live
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on the podcast during work hours there.
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So please feel free to do that more often. Even if you already buy from there,
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just add that note in and it'll help the world go around.
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And who knows what stuff we might be able to use as giveaways in the future
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and things like that. Who knows?
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But Doug, it's a public holiday in the US apparently.
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You guys in the chat probably know what that holiday is.
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It's probably, I think it's president's day today, because I think that we're
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experiencing the same thing here in Canada.
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Oh, yeah. It's a long weekend, everyone. The mountains, great. Chockers. Yeah.
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Hey, there's a great question here from Gaten Smith. This is great.
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What are your thoughts on a psychic character versus a psychological character?
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So he's gone with the comparisons of like
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lewis laval which i'm guessing full psychic like
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performing versus derren brown which is very much
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mentalist i'm psychologically influencing there's no you know psychic powers
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going on here oh this is interesting yeah this is very interesting because on
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my downtime and in transit sort of on my vacation i've been reading strong Magic by Damon Ortiz.
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And if you haven't read this yet, friend, I highly suggest you do because it
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covers things of this nature.
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And it's interesting because it's a very personal question and it's a commitment
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you want to make as a performer.
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So for example, the title I afford myself is Nick K Professional Mind Blower.
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And it gives me the freedom to do whatever I want. I can be the mind reader.
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I can be the hypnotist, the pickpocket, the whatever I would need to be.
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And that is a wonderful, wonderful place to be.
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And there's some folks out there that are just like, I'm the mentalist,
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like my friends, Phoenix Montgomery, like he is to me, the greatest mentalist
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that Australia has to offer.
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And it's, but he's put himself in that box and he, and it's a conscious decision
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because he, he's not a sleight of hand guy.
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He's not a magic guy at all. And he genuinely like hates it when anybody blends mentalism and magic.
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So as far as.
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I think the question is, and I love where you're going with this.
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I think the question is, what are your thoughts on psychic versus psychological?
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Well, it's when the audience.
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Well, it's two separate entities, man. It's just like, it depends what you want
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to, it depends what you want to be.
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Are there other ethical things to consider?
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Well, that's the thing, right? So there was a particular gentleman who,
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I'll leave his name out of this equation, but he actually, I'll be very honest,
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I've seen him perform some stuff that cannot be explained.
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He did these mind reading things. He was able to tell people stuff.
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Truly blew me away. He's now moved on and become a psychic and does a whole
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bunch of readings and stuff like that, right?
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And the reason he left the magic scene was because we do have a code of ethics,
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especially as part of the Australian Institute of Magic, where we don't profess
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that what we're doing is real.
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And I think that as far as the psychic character, that is going to be an interesting
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place to be because it is one of those things that has been debated for centuries, really.
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Yeah, it's a harder character to be because you have to always be… The psychic,
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like you can't then go and do any other genre of stuff because you're the psychic.
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Why would a psychic have sponge balls or link like, or anything magic?
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Like you have to fully be the psychic.
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You can't be late to a gig because if you didn't see the traffic coming, that means you suck.
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Dude, that's funny. So honestly, if you're a psychic, you'd be like,
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I came here early because there's going to be a car pile up on the M3.
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And if i didn't come early i'm gonna be 40
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minutes late and i'll be like that's weird i can't believe you knew that yeah
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but i think it's tough like but
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on tv you know a lot of psychics like celebrity psychics get their own show
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because like it's not a magic show now it is a medium series where these celebrities
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are getting you know connected with their lost loved ones and stuff,
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Yeah, like the, what was his name? Edwards?
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I'll be honest, I've seen, I've seen at least two, there's like two that are
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like mainstream at the moment, but, but you know, so like it does pay off in
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some way, but like, I don't look up to them in any way.
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I just go, man, they're really scamming the crap out of these people.
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Well, what if we look at the other side of that? We look at the psychological character,
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the psychological character, if we were to try and identify that is,
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I guess it's somebody who has a high skill,
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you know, it's the type of thing that
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it's not a gift if you know what i mean like you
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know some people that have a gift and they can see dead people that's
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a gift you know but yeah the
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psychological character is somebody who says i have a skill set and i'm presenting
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it to you guys and i wonder and i'll put this question to the audience like
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do you think it's easier to digest do you think it's easier to accept watching
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somebody who just has a wonderful skillset,
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entertaining and doing things that appear to be mind reading and so forth and
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finding out people's deepest secrets versus.
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Somebody trying to convince you that your dead grandmother is here and she,
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she's been watching you.
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Yeah. When you get your laptop and you're, and, and, and you're up to no good,
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you shouldn't be doing that like your
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grandma says stop making stop making love to a computer you pervert like who
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knows like it would just yeah you do that too um yeah it's tough i think they're
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totally different things one's like entertainment and one is meant to be seen as like i don't know,
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a viewing of some kind but for me i definitely
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feel more comfortable when like there's a
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visible like thing like
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what am I trying to say like when they can kind of see you're you have
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a process you're going through to make it happen in terms
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of like a psychological sense that's what I like to be honest what I like to
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do is like my when I think of me the the heightened version of me on stage I
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seem to react in a way of like I'm also surprised that you're we got so lucky today again.
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Like I always like to, I always throw in things about like, what are the odds
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that da, da, da, da, da. Like a few weeks ago.
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I think I've talked about this somewhere, but, you know, I was like something perfect happened.
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But I just I always say this line anyway, so they don't really know.
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But I'm like, what are the odds that on your birthday turning 33,
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the card you just named at a clubs will actually be at that position in the deck?
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And so I seem to like use that kind of language like this is crazy.
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Like, what are the odds that that would happen? How did you know to make that decision?
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And so it's almost like I'm like the orchestra allowing this stuff to happen,
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but I'm by no means like a medium or like even a super powered, you know,
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AI robot that can tell your face expression. I totally agree with that, Josh.
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And I, I, what I really like about the sort of magic effects that we,
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that we do and kind of the style that we, I guess we almost have in common is
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that you do stuff that is almost so impossible that it could just be luck.
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You just got lucky. You know what I mean? It's like, there's no way he goes,
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no way. He's just, he got lucky. But how is he lucky every time?
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How is he lucky every time? and i lean into
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that style of magic and effect a lot
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a lot it's so great yeah especially
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at a gig when they think it was locked but then they
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see the same thing happen for another group and they're like what yeah
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and then like someone will challenge you like all
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right well then make this card appear out of thin air
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and you're like well okay then you know
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what else would be weird if you were a psychic and you walk to up you you
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approach a group you would say something to the effect of like what is your
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name and you're like shouldn't you know that shouldn't you know that if you're
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a psychic you know yeah a psychic you know getting hired for a roving gig would
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be super weird but if you're yeah if you're a mind reader if you're the mind
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reader and it's not through,
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psychological abilities you're in the same yeah you're in the same pickle.
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Difficult stuff. Good question, though. Good question. Good question,
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because I was exploring the mind reading thing, and we'll touch upon this before
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we move on to the next one.
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But I was just kind of thinking, like, being a mind reader is a weird thing
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versus, like, studying people's behaviors so that when they did something,
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you knew they were going to do that, or you were walking them down the garden path to do that.
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Like, I was making you choose a seven of hearts every time. uh like
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if you were to force a card 10 times then do an ambitious card routine for example
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it would show that like you can read people's body language well enough and
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know what they're going to do when they're going to say stop it's like those
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sorts of things where it's like he just got lucky you do it again it's like
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he must be very skillful and i kind of lean into that but as far as the dedicated
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mind reading thing i'm going to put this to you guys,
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i lean heavier into the notion that like i'm going to put a thought into your
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mind and know what you're thinking
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versus think anything you want and I'll be able to tell what it is.
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So for example, for example, take this, grab a book, flick through,
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look at a word and, and, and then when you're done, put the book down like that,
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that in a sense is like, great.
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So now we've got something in your mind, like putting something in your mind. That's a cool thing.
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Or even just like writing something down on a piece of paper,
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having a conversation and then go, what's your favorite vegetable?
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And they go carrot and you turn it over and it's a carrot. You know what I mean,
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like something like that is...
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Is plausible. And I think that because it's plausible, it makes it more realistic
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and easier to digest. But then again, I don't know.
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Yeah, I agree. I agree.
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Great food for thought. And thank you for that question. Another question that
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just came up, Adonis, thoughts on setting up a set list or a show?
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I guess what he's asking is, like how do
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you go about how you
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set up your effects absolutely so one
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thing that you want to think about is every routine
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you do or act performance that you do the next one should excel the preceding
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one meaning it should be more impossible more entertaining and a better magic
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trick and it should crescendo up into a big finish that is sort of the most
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generic way to write a show.
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So what you might want to do is to get a sheet of paper and maybe make a whole
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list of routines you can do,
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draw a line across like a straight line and gauge how impressive each routine
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is on that timeline and ensure that it kind of does, it proves it as it goes along.
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That is the most generic way of doing it. That's probably how it's taught in books
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more than anything i like to really strong and
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hit hard and and get everyone's attention then just
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take a breath slow the pace down a little bit coast along
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in the middle a little bit big finish that's how
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i like to do things so i'm more like a hammock type setup
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nice routines josh how
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how do you go about i mean like you do sets every week at the you know almost
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every week you know if you're not doing it for corporate doing it our very much
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loved theater of magic what sort of process do you go through when it comes
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to setting up your set and wait and just to be clear so you'll do a close-up set and estate that yeah,
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At Theatre of Magic, that's right. Yeah, there's a close-up set that exists,
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a stage show, and then there's a corporate show that exists.
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And I guess the little nuances is, because there's so much subtlety and nuance
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on what we're saying, but if I'm doing a corporate show, I guess the thing I'll
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try to focus on is that every routine is visually different.
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So they in no way feel like they're watching the card magic show or like the
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balloon show or the Rubik's Cube show.
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Like there's always like each routine has a different anchored item
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so right now and it's
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funny too over the years like when i first started doing a corporate show i
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used to need like six or seven different
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routines but now i could only i like
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it's actually hard to figure out how i'm
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not going to go over time like what how much stuff do i
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have to take out so i only am on stay for 20 minutes like
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if you know what i'm saying like it's so easy to inject
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showmanship into like one routine that like
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that can take up the majority of the time because a.
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Corporate gig they generally want you for like 20 maybe 30
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minutes if it's like an after dinner show before the awards
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so yeah my set list in
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my head is like I come on and I do like a bottle
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production which is like basically something very
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flashy and fast to get their attention like oh okay magic's
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happening but it ends so quick and there's not really much interaction with
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the audience it's like a quick boom little spike in
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attention okay now we move on and then
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i'll do a cube act and then i'll do
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a little bit of by play with the audience and then i'll end with like getting three
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people on stage i'll do my whole dancing act with the backflips to catch the
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card and what's meant to be like the grand sort of boom high energetic ending
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but they're three different props so they're seeing like a bottle a cube thing
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and then a big car neck with people on stage so that's like the corporate set.
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I try and keep it pretty tight, you know, so it's really just three acts.
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If I'm at the theater of magic, what I've noticed is because there's three magicians
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typically at the theater of magic.
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And us as magicians, we all love card magic, right?
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Even if we all do different styles, we still love card magic.
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And at the Theatre of Magic, there's a magician hosting who will also do like
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pre-show magic before the show starts.
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Then there's the close-up acts, which Nick has smashed.
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And I can't wait to see you again smash.
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That sounded weird. And then you have the main show.
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And what i try to do is limit
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how much of my routines are card acts
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which is funny because like i just know by the
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time we get to like the the stage set that i do but
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like that they've seen quite a bit of good card magic so
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i try and do my entire 40 or 45
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minutes without card magic until like the
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very end when i've given them a massive palette cleanser of all
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different magic that's not that the coins rubies
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cubes different different things maybe some
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mentalism and then yeah and then i'll leave that to the
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end so that's how i try and structure it when i'm there and i try to yeah make
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it everything more impressive like nick said slowly building up if i'm trying
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something new i might try it out in the middle because then you know you can
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top and tail with better stuff and they'll sort of forget about it and yeah
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i think about the visual of how I'm ending.
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Like it has to be a big ending or like a memorable ending or a notable ending.
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It can't just be like that trick's over and now I'm done. Like it has to look like you finished.
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And yeah, right. Like what Nick said in the beginning, you write down every
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effect that you could do on stage.
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See which ones look a little too similar to each other and try and just break
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up the visual texture of like what would actually look interesting next to itself
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and which ones build up. And I think you'll smash it.
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And, you know, reach out to us if you have any questions.
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Well, let me ask you this, dude. If you were going to do a dedicated card set,
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let's say you were going to do 45 minutes of just straight cards. Okay.
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That's, that's interesting because like, how would you, I know how I go about
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it. So I'll say how I go about it. And if you're any different,
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let me know. But what I like to do is I'd like to have it.
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It seems like the one card that's chosen plays out for like several routines.
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Routines so if somebody chooses the card once i'll do
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a i'll do all kinds of stuff like i'll
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do maybe i'll do like a cut in the box routine i'll do a sandwich effect
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then i'll do something else for example maybe an ambitious and
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that's like one set but a lot of people when i see them doing things because
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they've learned the trick so modular they go this trick is done i'll have a
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new card chosen this trick is done i'll have a new card chosen and i think that
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if a smart thing to do if you're going to be doing a set in which,
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a single card's being selected just use the same card man just let it roll in one into the other,
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yeah and then and then you know the thing is once you've done the show as well like review it,
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review it and make adjustments if required one of the most important things
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to look out for when you do this is that sometimes you will look at a routine
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and let's just say that it's something that requires like four aces to be on
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top and you finish a routine and then those four aces on the toppers.
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So because of that, you just naturally want to roll into a different routine.
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Don't fall into that trap because you might find that it's not as strong as
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another routine that you could have done.
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So just keep that in mind too. That's true.
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I'm thinking about the card segment of my closer back that I'll typically do.
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And it's, it normally follows the pattern of they come up, We do a warm-up effect
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where I'm trying to gauge them.
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And it's generally something like take a card and then through them trying to
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lie about what it is, you deduce what it actually is.
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As a warm-up thing and then i'll be like okay great
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well let's just try this you just picked a
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card what if you just you know named a card and then
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they name one they find it themselves so i
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haven't yet really done like a pick and sign trick
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yet so it looks different so they
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handle the cards themselves they find one card
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and then we'll use that
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card to sign it and then we'll go into like a
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longer routine like can't under box or the
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homing card or something like that or you
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know the my whole thing of like tell me how you want me to
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find your card so like it will be like a little opener tester something quick
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now something that's a bit longer of a process but they're doing it and then
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it's me doing it with them assigning it and we're doing the whole ninja stuff
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and then if i was like if i had to feel like more time then i would go into,
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i really like the the new rz trick where you leave the room and they do the
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card trick in the room with you on speakerphone that's just such a cool different
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visual i really like that and then i'll probably come back and do like a 10
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card multiple card find or something
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something that looks obviously much bigger and like as an ending.
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Wow, 10 cards is a lot, man. Does the audience dig out like 10 cards?
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Yeah, yeah. It's how I end my current Theater of Magic stage shows because you're rapid firing.
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And when I say 10, it's really nine, but one of them is invisible.
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Like I miscall someone having picked a card and you've done like the Rubber Dub Vanish.
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You're like, oh, so you picked no card. And they're like, no,
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no, I didn't. I'm like, oh, then we found it. We move along. So it's actually 10.
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It's actually nine, but you are like technically jazzing, seemingly jazzing and doing it with 10.
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And I make a joke that, oh, normally I only do this with six, but...
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We've gone overboard tonight so whether i find it or not i guess it's entertaining for you.
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And we you know a little element of will this work for me it's very fun and it and it adds a very,
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obvious ending when we find that the last card yeah
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it's just fun yeah and i
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assume you crescendo have the way each card's found it's the found like in
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a more and more impossible way and whatever else and that's
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how i set it up i'm going to try and find every card but
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each one in a in a different way from the first hopefully building
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up to end with a big crescendo finish and i always have the final card signed
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because i just want to make it clear to everyone that like that is their card
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so i don't have to wait around for them to confirm it or say is it theirs and
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i also know because i don't want to get to the ending and having messed up my
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own slides and reveal the last one wrong
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so i always get them to sign it just in case cool
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yeah hey we got a speak pipe do
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it we we got a speak pipe from tyler tyler august
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oh let's play it let's see what you got it's a minute 30 so strap in okay so
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this is a funny story that was a failed trick but that turned into an absolute
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miracle so i did this trick to my old boss back in like 2019 when i was just doing magic as a hobby,
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and what the trick was was they would pick a card i would hand the deck of cards
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to the spectator they would throw the deck of cards in the air I would reach
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in and grab one card and it would be theirs.
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So I did this to my boss and everyone else was watching so he picked a card
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I took it back I glimpsed the card just so I had a safe you know in case I grabbed
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the wrong card or if I got the right one I could check.
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And so I glimpsed the card, shuffled the cards, and I gave the deck of cards
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back to him. And I said, all right, go ahead and throw the cards in the air.
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He threw them in the air. I reached in to grab one card as these cards are in the air.
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And I totally missed grabbing a card.
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Like, cards are everywhere on the floor, scattered. And there's not a single card in my hand.
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And in my head, I'm like, freaking out. Like, what am I going to do?
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I don't even know what my out is.
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And since i glimpsed the card one in
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a million i don't know how it happened his card
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landed face up on his
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foot like no joke it was crazy i said
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look on your foot and he freaked and he
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still talks about it today bloody hell
28:23
that's that's a that's a lot to take in also what
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is this method that you're doing an actual reach out
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to grab the card that's in the air that seems like well
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either made up or insane well we've
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we've done that josh in a in a very successful instagram
28:40
post you're not wrong that's absolutely that's
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absolutely correct yeah so you're a fellow ninja i
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love i mean it's a good segue like i
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love when that impossible thing happens that was actually an accident yeah it's
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so the hardest thing is when you want to emulate that again and again that's
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the that's like the best and worst thing you know where it's like yes it happened
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one time by accident and now i make it happen every single time.
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Yeah, that's how I try to improve my sets generally is because of the stuff
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the audience says and I remember it and use it next time.
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But when it's something like that, like an actual bonafide miracle that just
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has to live on by itself, it's crazy.
29:27
I can tell there's one thing that happened at a gig that I wish I could emulate every time.
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And I guess there technically is a way, but it was just way too perfect.
29:36
So I'm I'm gonna do double cross
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which everyone knows what that is on this girl at a corporate gig and
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just as I've done this stuff and I'm now getting
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into the routine they break for the the awards and
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I'm like oh we'll come back to it we'll come back to you later so she's walked
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away now with like the trick prepped if you know what I mean and it's and I
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kind of like leave I forget about it the awards go for like 20 minutes I'm doing
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magic for another group now and there's like a table between us.
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And I see the girl sort of wander over to start watching, but she's on the other side of the table.
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So I'm doing magic and I'm like, and, and the way that, and you'll see in a
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street magic vlog coming out shortly, that the way I approach double cross is with playing cards.
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So I get someone to name a card. I write the, like the indice and the,
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and the suit onto my hand, like seven diamond or whatever.
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And I get them to decide which one of the two for me to use.
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I pulled it off like the ink pulls off and I throw it onto their close fist.
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But as I'm doing this routine, I just go to the woman as if like by chance,
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oh, and can you just put, you know, one of your hands out in front of you and
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just go like this. And she's like, okay.
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And she's like perfectly set up now for a miracle. And everyone's just seen
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that I'm so far away from her and everything just worked out perfectly.
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And I'm like, okay, boom, I'll take off the heart.
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Boom, in terms of handover, it was like, it was talked about for like the whole night.
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And even she had no idea, like she had forgotten.
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That we had like started to like, that I had done anything for them that night.
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I'll tell you what she forgot. She forgot to wash her hands, dude.
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Well, how, how often do you wash your hands after a speech?
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You know, but it was just like, it was just like so fun because you know,
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what's going on and you're like, Oh, this is crazy.
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But you can't, that's how it happens every time. as far as they're concerned
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yeah yeah yeah trying to bring that back to life is good but it just goes to
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show the strength of having a time misdirect that yeah in that sense absolutely,
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there was another time i had a jumbo coin and at the time i was doing a one
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coin routine in a roving set and i'd end with like the jumbo coin you know how
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original but this it was this asian guy, he had just had a wedding and he goes to me,
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he doesn't say, so I've just done the coin routine.
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And then I've literally just retrieved the big coin to make it appear over the small one.
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And I swear to God, just before I do that, he goes, haha, if you're really good, make it a big money.
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And I'm like, oh, like this, boom.
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And he just lost his, he lost his mind, tipped me like a hundred bucks because
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in that moment, I've just given him like the ham sandwich, you know,
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in that ham sandwich principle.
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He's like, I've just done all this stuff through this one coin.
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Oh, if you're really good, make it big money.
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Okay. Boom. Like with no hesitation.
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Those are the moments that was like,
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I want to say 10 years ago, and I still remember it today because to me,
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it was such a magical moment.
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I one time was doing a Thought of Triumph, which required a switch at the end.
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And all I did was I shuffled a pack face up and a face down.
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I did the setup so that I could do whatever I did. But I know that the card
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that was going to be face up in the deck was going to be a 10 of diamonds.
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And I just gave it a shuffle. I go, just look, see, tell me if you see your
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card. And, you know, they just don't say anything. Just look at the cards.
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And I finish it up. I have him hold the deck.
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And then I go, what card are you thinking? And he goes, 10 of diamonds.
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And I just went, I'm not even going to touch the deck in those moments.
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And they just spread through all the cards are correcting themselves.
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And there's only one face down your card.
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You know, it's, you can emulate that sort of stuff.
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I mean, those miracles are great, but you can find ways to emulate that.
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So for example, you can do a pre-show thing where it's like,
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just think of a card and we'll mess up. Are you thinking of a cover card? Are you thinking? Boom.
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And away you go. So yeah. yeah i mean
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it's it's the reason it's the reason why i love doing
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mnemonica work so much because you in real time
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do create they themselves co-author the effect and create those moments that
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are unreplicable yeah like like you know i was at a wedding gig and the bride
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everyone's watching the bride i wish i had this footage man the bride and me
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are doing a card trick and all
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friends are crowded around and i'm like you name
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any card you want and she's like queen of hearts and
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she herself without me telling her goes to pick up the top card like as if like
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gesturing towards it and and i'm like but but are you sure and she's like oh
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actually you know what everyone probably thinks that on their wedding day or
34:39
whatever so i'm going to change it to two of hearts and she's still holding
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this card which would have been wrong but she doesn't know that.
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And I know that I'd put the two of hearts on top of the deck.
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So in her mind, she's gone to pick the top of the deck, changed her mind mid
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picking it up, and then looked at it and seen it's now the card.
34:58
She changed her mind mid picking up and just the wedding effing stopped in that moment.
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Like she was not married for that moment. She was just like in outer space and it was the best.
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And I'm probably the only one that remembers it from that day because I probably
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got wasted and partied on.
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But things like that are that's what i would describe as like real magic like
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it's sort of out of your control and yet you're in the right wavelength for
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just stuff like that to happen.
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And yeah it's the best yeah and you want to give those moments every time you
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perform like you really do and yeah and that's the thing right and so i mean
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when we look at the effect like about what you just described,
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these incredibly lucky moments, if you can manufacture them,
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they just slay.
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And that's the thing. Find the lucky moments, find a way to manufacture them
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and just keep them happening. Cause I just think that's where the most fun is.
35:57
I do a thing. I haven't done this routine in a while, but I have a folded cart
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under a wine glass and I just, before the show starts, I just walk over to it,
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like fold it up, put it under the wine glass.
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And i just say like name a card and that person will go three hearts and i'll
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walk over i go cool and i pick the wine glass up it's upside down i pick it
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up and i just go maybe change your mind and i put it back down and then go on
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with the routine right and then i walk back and then,
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do you want to change your mind no and then i pick it up look at my watch put
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it back down again we still have time he might change his mind and i just keep
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doing that and i just do it the whole show the whole show and and then i'll
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actually finish the show and then be like oh wine glass.
36:46
Last chance man and he's just like nah
36:49
and i'm like all right just open it up and it's
36:52
yeah it's just one of those yeah yeah it's
36:55
using a cheeky little gimmick i made in a and a sleeving technique but
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it's um yeah that that filled the crap out of
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me when you did that at was that the thing you showed me at
37:04
theater magic that's the thing that's crazy bro
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that's crazy that genuinely just is
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you picking up a card holding it out like this
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they can just take it and it's it's bullshit i tell you that's crazy yeah we
37:21
got one more speak pipe from our buddy caden again this is a 2.0 of caden caden
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you're up brother let's see what you got part two Hey guys, Caden again.
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In addition to talking about my first gig, I wanted to tell you all about a
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magic moment that happened actually while I was just hanging out with some friends
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just a few days before the gig.
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So I was out to eat with several of my friends and we were just kind of hanging
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out and I ended up doing a few of them asked to see some magic.
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Long story short, ended up doing like over an hour's worth of material for these
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guys at this table, just a few friends of mine.
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And one of my friends, I was just kind of doing a few finding card routines to start out.
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And she asked if she could take the deck and put the card in.
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And just because I was hanging out with some friends, I thought it could be
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kind of fun as a little challenge to just challenge myself.
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So normally I wouldn't, but I did let her.
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And I just kind of saw where she put the card in,
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and kind of was trying to estimate about what I thought her card would be and
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I'm looking through the deck, I did a ribbon spread and I just look at it and I say,
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I think your card was the nine of hearts and by some miracle,
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I was able to guess correctly and she freaked out, was asking me how it's done
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and I just kind of said, it's just magic and left it at that And that was just a super,
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super fun little magic moment that I wanted to share with you all. Thanks.
38:51
Dude, how funny that that fits into like what we were just talking about. Big time.
38:57
That's awesome. Just keep it going. I think that's why I'm a big fan of Ozzy Wynn's School of Magic,
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because what he's trying to do is create those like random decisions that seemingly
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the audience makes, which makes it seem like luck. Yeah.
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You know what it is? It's an investment from the audience. When they start doing
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stuff, it's an investment.
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So I've got this new thing I've been tinkering with, which is annoying because
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you need a lot of people to be able to do it.
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And it's like, everyone gets packets of cards. Everyone gets packets.
39:29
And I give a bunch to the person to my right. I'm like, just look at one and
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think of one. It doesn't matter what it is.
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And then all the cards go back together and they're mixed and they're shuffled
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and whatever else. And then I just go, name your card.
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And they go, ace of clubs and i go
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spell it and they just spell ace of clubs and it hits like
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it's just even though everyone's mixed and when you when you build it up when you
39:47
build it up it's like because everyone thinks like no let me shuffle like
39:50
it's going to make it more difficult like let's make it really difficult and you
39:53
know what just grab a packet look at
39:55
one lock it in your mind yeah and it's
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great that and then it just goes someone's thinking of a card are you thinking of one you're thinking
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of one it's like it wasn't even didn't even choose one i just thought of one
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because there's the other dual reality in that moment and it but
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those moments man those moments slay
40:09
and it's really hard to manufacture those moments in practice because in theory
40:15
like you got to hand out all these packs you should have seen me on the plane
40:18
man i'm just dropping packs of cards all over like the the tray you know the
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food tray yeah just to practice you know what i mean and i had a lady bring
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out a call for me so i had a nice little mat to work with and.
40:29
Yeah like it's those are the moments man that's where
40:31
the strength is like pick a card find a card any kind
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of 21 card trick sort of mechanical base
40:38
like count four then minus three and i'm like god
40:41
kill me like yeah i'm not
40:44
a big fan yeah it's because i'm not a big fan of counting tricks
40:47
that i'm really working hard to want to like them and trying
40:49
to create effects where like you spell things and you write things like
40:52
like i hate it so what would i do to make me love it and so i'm just trying
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to create as many versions of these types of effects that that that i like because
41:03
ultimately i perform the magic i want to see it's a nice place yeah and maybe
41:08
that's the advice we should have here it's like perform the magic you want to
41:10
see if you could make up a trick.
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You know 100 yeah what
41:16
would you love to see great way to
41:19
think of it yeah i'm i
41:21
mean even my lego trick which you and i've sort of tinkered with
41:24
for for a very long time like i still can't get that right like
41:27
it's it's good but it's just not it's not
41:31
there yet you know right yeah oh
41:34
speaking of which you know the new pennantella fuller
41:38
season is out at the moment okay what are your thoughts on the the paper plane
41:43
act is that from alex no oh the the the manip guy this is like a FISM winning
41:51
paper plan flying through the air I saw it I saw it in Vegas um.
41:57
I, to describe the act, there is a, imagine sort of card manipulation where
42:04
you're doing split fans or producing single playing cards from behind your hand.
42:10
Now, transpose that for paper airplanes that you can throw.
42:15
That's effectively what this magician was doing. Maybe this is slightly different to.
42:20
To what I saw, the Manipax? The Pennantella one. Maybe what you're describing
42:24
is a very great act, but maybe a little bit different.
42:27
Oh, I'm not sure. Why don't you describe the act? Because I don't think it's
42:30
the one I saw in Vegas then.
42:31
There was an amazing magician who performed this and produced basically a giant,
42:37
like giant airplanes, like enormous, like as big as he was. Oh yeah.
42:42
Yeah. It's the craziest thing ever.
42:44
Someone will put his name in the chat. It is Caden, the one I'm talking about
42:47
that was on Fool Us, but someone will YouTube and bring it up.
42:50
It won a Grand Prix award or something, but this
42:53
is very bare stage
42:57
and he comes on with like a trash can and a
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piece of paper and it's sort of as
43:03
he's sort of like gesturing at it it starts to like crumble
43:06
itself into like a plane okay and then what's interesting is so he so he throw
43:12
i think first he throws it and it just does nothing he throws it and just kind
43:16
of falls on the ground then he comes up to it and he kind of tinkers it a tiny
43:20
bit and he throws it and it does a 180 around him and he catches it in the trash can.
43:26
But it looks like, and I believe that is actually a juggling move.
43:30
Like he has learned how to do that because he does it two more times.
43:34
But then things get a little crazy and then it goes a little further.
43:38
And then eventually all of a sudden it goes all the way around his body and
43:43
then gently lands in the trash can.
43:46
And it sort of heightens up from there. It gets crazier and crazy
43:49
from there then it's going like fully around for a while
43:52
and he can like stop it when he wants to and then
43:55
like but and at the end of every time he can like unfold it and
43:57
like whatever crumple it up wow at one point
44:00
at one point he opens up the plane takes off
44:03
his shoe puts his shoe in the paper folds it up and
44:06
then makes his shoe disappear and then a shoe
44:09
falls from like the roof what as a joke and and like the finale is he goes to
44:15
throw the plane and when it's over the bin but still in the air it stops and
44:20
then when he's ready he gestures and the plane just like explodes into like
44:24
cut up pieces of paper and just falls down wow,
44:28
Caden says, Nikolai Stribal is his name.
44:33
Wow, I did not see that. That sounds phenomenal. It sounds more so like a flying rig, man.
44:41
Here's the thing. And he'll do stuff like it goes through a ring and stuff.
44:45
So absolutely, it's some kind of anime, like, you know, some kind of wise or something.
44:51
But Penn and Teller gave him the trophy because they even say,
44:55
like, we're aware of all sorts of flying rig things.
44:58
And we can pick up like things you you must
45:01
be using but we don't know
45:04
how you're doing a whole bunch of that stuff like the
45:07
the the rigs that we know of don't allow you to do a
45:09
lot of the stuff you're doing so you fooled us and and
45:12
yeah it's i reckon it's i
45:15
think everyone should watch it because i watched it and i was just like this
45:18
is so refreshingly nice to watch also very
45:22
fooling but just like a very nice like silent to
45:25
music act the one you're talking about
45:28
sounds wicked like sounds great as well yeah this
45:32
cat this cat just from out of nowhere was just like just left
45:35
arm right arm left arm right arm just throwing them
45:38
just non-stop like the amount of paper and
45:41
stuff that was all over like it was such an
45:44
epic act and then he produced like two giant jet fighter type
45:47
things made from paper like it was epic dude
45:50
yeah and it was astonishing that act you
45:53
know as you would expect to see at magic live and obviously it's
45:56
blackpool which has just happened our good friend dom chambers
45:59
performed his his show there boy in his deck yeah he got it was very very well
46:05
received if you haven't seen it it is a hilarious piece of magic that's extremely
46:10
careful very filthy don't bring kids to that yeah yeah there is a lot of.
46:18
Yeah. References in there that kids will not understand, but I've seen the show.
46:23
I brought a bunch of people to it and I loved it. I thought it was absolutely brilliant.
46:26
I'm so happy and proud of him to be able to present that at Blackpool. That is super cool.
46:32
You know, speaking of conventions, something we should bring up,
46:35
Nick, is the assembly convention happening in Brisbane.
46:39
We actually have a convention happening in Australia.
46:44
We actually have one. It's going to be in my home
46:47
city of brisbane in the same venue which we
46:50
run the theater of magic which will be kind of tied to
46:53
this convention because the theater of magic will happen the night
46:56
before with some special entertainers and
46:59
then and and then we'll have the actual one
47:02
day convention like this is great for
47:06
australia so if anyone listening is in australia there's
47:10
still registrations available to to
47:12
come along because there is a capacity of people
47:15
that can fit in the room both nick and i
47:18
will be there so you know just great
47:22
day of magic to learn see dealers selling
47:25
people selling magic stuff people lecturing
47:28
like it is going to be a great time yeah you
47:31
excited nick i am you have a list of the lecturers we're
47:34
going to be there i mean i know so
47:38
we will have sean taylor right our australian
47:42
british creative mind we will have christian grace who is really in the top
47:50
of everyone's mind at the moment with like stuff he's creating i think he just
47:53
put out something which is the invisible deck his invisible deck which uses a normal deck and.
48:02
He's brought out so much magic from the UK.
48:05
And then the last guy, I just, only because I haven't heard of him before,
48:10
I don't know how to pronounce his name.
48:12
But let me just quickly look it up here because there's probably a guy that people know of.
48:17
And I'm excited to meet him and see what he does.
48:20
Yeah, maybe we'll do a diligence on that one a little bit and try and fill you guys in.
48:25
Yeah, absolutely. I might reach out to Christian and see if we can even get
48:31
him on before the convention.
48:34
That'd be great. Yeah, absolutely.
48:37
But yeah, look, I just want to bring it up because we're near the end of the
48:41
episode, but it's something to think about if you're in Australia or close by.
48:46
I think even Brendan Dooley's coming over for it and he's in New Zealand.
48:49
So, you know, come make a weekend of it. It's going to be pretty fun.
48:53
I can see Scotty P here. looks like I'm tardy to the party. Right.
48:58
Late to the episode. Nice.
49:00
Scotty P also making a appearance in my upcoming vlog that'll be out in the
49:06
next few days, doing some street magic.
49:08
You know, it was interesting too. Scotty came with myself and Oliver Parker,
49:14
who is a friend of James Brown, who we had on the podcast recently.
49:18
And he came and he held his own. We were doing street magic and Scotty couldn't stay out too long,
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but it was great to see him going from just having been someone commenting in
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on the podcast to then actually being put out in this real world environment.
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And it was quite funny, this spectator, he just so happened to pick.
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Might get him self-cancelled, but it's worth it for the video.
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And yeah, you guys look out for that. Scotty P says, it was a blast. Hell yeah.
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Hell yeah. So yeah, we've got the assembly coming up. Obviously,
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Magic Live is going to be in August.
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I'm definitely confirmed for it this
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year. I had the green flag from the girlfriend, so you know we're going.
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Nick's got the green flag from himself because he's his own boss.
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And Doug's living in Vegas.
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So there's no reason we can't find Doug in Vegas.
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So yeah, it's going to be good. It's going to be a good time.
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Going to be a good time. Going to have no money when I finished from looking
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at all the stuff for sale there, I'm sure.
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You got yourself a pretty good haul when you were in Magic Live last time,
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right? I remember you showing me a couple of things.
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Man, when you have the benefit of it being a tax deduction,
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yeah it's you can't help it you basically see
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things long before they ever hit a shelf and
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you know it depends what type of magic you're into i love utilities
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i love anything where it's like this can help you again let's
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just say it drops coins in your pocket i need it like you know what
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i mean like that's the sort of things i love seeing there's a new thing i
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think i mean just just now just now i'm seeing advertisements for
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it at gravity clips is now
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like i've seen it on my socials just like just in this past week
51:04
being advertised for it and if you don't know what it is
51:07
it's it's bulldog right the thing you have
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yeah it's like these five bulldog clips and spectator chooses one you then pull
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the string and then they all drop except the one they chose so it's like a just
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a nice cute visual yeah and i bought that ages ago like at magic live so it's
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just a cool place to be man,
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And obviously when we were there last, you know, Teller was kind enough to take
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us to the show and hang out backstage, et cetera, et cetera.
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But yeah, it's, it's a good time.
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And so there's a lot to look forward to in this year coming with multiple conventions.
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Yeah. Did we talk about Teller's show? Penn and Teller's show?
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Yeah, we did, right? We haven't, we haven't quite discussed the show,
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but we obviously didn't want to, you know, you hadn't seen it yet. It was the thing.
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Ah, okay. We were seeing it that following week.
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But yeah that's a whole different discussion altogether and
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uh that's yeah which unfortunately we
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don't have the time for so it might be worth us wrapping
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up look absolutely it's
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been a pleasure to you know we only had three speak pipes we
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had so many live comments so it's it's been great
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to go back and forth with you guys nick how
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long are you still on your vacay for your
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avaganza yeah i believe that i will be under
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the sea in i hope not god the
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plane situation has been very uncomfortable well you've
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not seen there's been a lot of flight crashes and so yes yes that is that is
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right yeah for reference i was in the mountain today and there's no reception
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up there it's just you know like otherworldly and the moment i drove back into
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town my phone blew up because there was a plane crash in canada and everyone
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was freaking out and i'm like i'm fine I'm fine.
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Yeah, but I will be in Japan on Tuesday.
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Okay. Yeah. That's going to be fun. But the week after, I'm back home and I'm in full swing.
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Yeah, great. Will you be streaming in wearing your kimono?
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Oh, dude, don't tell me. Will you come on the pod? Yeah, I literally was in
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a bathrobe when I first turned the computer on.
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If you can come on the pod in a kimono and you've got the two chopsticks tying
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your non-existent hair up just on the back of your head.
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That would be great. Wouldn't be the first time. Or you're sitting like,
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you know, short on like a sumo, like eating some soup and you're like, yeah, that'd be funny.
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I like it. I dig it. Look, thanks for joining us today.
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I hope you've had a magical week and it's great to hear Caden doing his first gig.
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I know Scotty has always been updating me on future gigs he's got coming up.
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You know, this is what we're about. We're about supporting each other and just
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having a goddamn good time.
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And reach out if you have questions about things
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like set lists or orders of of um
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sequences you do with effects reach out
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to us we have the discord there for a reason and
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look this has been great so nick any last
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word from you my friend no just thanks everyone
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for being here and you know we we did have a jam of this discord some
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while ago because of the episode not being able to be run uh
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everyone was sort of bouncing around the planet you guys enjoyed it a whole
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bunch and if there is a way that we can sort of do this on
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a regular basis or have like a regular jam session where
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we all that jam session went for three and a half i think nearly four hours
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last time um it was crazy it was like the most fun day bob possible was there
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just being the genius that he is we had so much fun people were coming in and
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out of meetings they were just like i'm just in between meetings and i thought
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i'd jump on and i'm just like cool man and like i gotta go my meeting's starting
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and you know like people were amongst it it was actually very very fun so So, you know,
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if there is ways that we can add value and help you guys out,
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we love hearing the good news of you guys performing.
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Kudos to Caden and everyone else out there crushing it. Kudos to Scotty P's
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been out there crushing it. We love hearing it. You guys keep the good work.
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And we'll see you again next week.
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Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.
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But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys.