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Iron Maiden's Legacy, Album by Album [Episode 218] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: Who We're totally bummed rock and roll.
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  Speaker 2: I mean gott to leave you. You're reading. Little Hands
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  Speaker 3: To rock and roll roll.
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  Speaker 4: I totally booked. Hey guys, welcome back to book don
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  Speaker 4: Find the podcast at Booked on rock dot com. Every
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  Speaker 4: from each episode, the latest rock book releases, and more.
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  Speaker 4: Art pop Off returns to the podcast. He's got an
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  Speaker 4: updated version of his book, Iron Maiden. Album by album.
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  Speaker 4: Martin pace tribute to Iron Maiden's discography through a series
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  Speaker 4: of in depth, frank, and fascinating conversations about all of
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  Speaker 4: the legendary heavy metal bands studio albums. Martin gathers together
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  Speaker 4: metal journalists, authors and musicians who offer insights, opinions, and
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  Speaker 4: anecdotes about every release, including their early albums with lead
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  Speaker 4: singer Paul Deano. So let's get into the book and
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  Speaker 4: the history of Iron Maiden now with Mark and you
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  Speaker 4: can also find a playlist of Iron Maiden on the
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  Speaker 4: show notes page. Hi Martin, great to have you back
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  Speaker 4: on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, very cool. Eric looking forward to this.
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  Speaker 4: I can't help but I keep doing this. It's got
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  Speaker 4: this nice little uh scratch marks. Very metal, very metal folks,
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  Speaker 4: for those if you're listening to this, this book Iron
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  Speaker 4: Maid now by album, it's got this cool like scratch
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what are these like demon clause, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what are those?
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  Speaker 3: I like it. I suspect it's Eddie. Yeah, Eddie was
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  Speaker 3: supposed to have done that.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose.
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  Speaker 1: And there's this big claw mark through and it's and
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  Speaker 1: it's embossed and uh, I love it blind embossed on. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They always do a really nice job of design on these.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. So it's an updated version of Iron Maiden
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  Speaker 4: album by album. When did the original come out? And
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  Speaker 4: then what's new in this most recent edition.
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  Speaker 1: It's a fair number of years ago. This just came
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  Speaker 1: up kind of out out of the blue. This has
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  Speaker 1: been updated to include a Sinjuitsu chapter. So I had
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  Speaker 1: to go, you know, reinterview some of the people who
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  Speaker 1: are the cast of this book before. So we've got
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  Speaker 1: Marty Friedman, Kirsten Rosenberg, and Rich Davenport you know, for
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  Speaker 1: a for some variety there and uh and yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: as usual go through. I'm the moderator. I just quiz
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  Speaker 1: them on the new album and go through every song,
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  Speaker 1: and and it's a Q and a presentation of of
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  Speaker 1: every album. Then of course new pictures and there's new
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  Speaker 1: end papers and stuff like that, and of course the
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  Speaker 1: new cover. So yeah, that's the whole idea with with
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  Speaker 1: all of these album by album books, it's just uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's just an analysis of every studio album in a
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  Speaker 1: Q and A format with me as moderator, with me
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  Speaker 1: get my licks in my opinions in as well, uh
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  Speaker 1: you know, in in my asking of the questions and whatnot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Who's who do you talk to? Who's on the panel?
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  Speaker 4: A lot a lot of your A lot of familiar
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  Speaker 4: names here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, slay go, Tim Henderson, I got Blaize Bailey in
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  Speaker 1: here as well. Where's my where's my list of panelists here?
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  Speaker 1: I guess we got it in the back here maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Uh bibliography, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Tim Anders and Chris Jericho, Yeah from Trivium, Jimmy Kay
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  Speaker 1: from The Metal Voice, My good buddy, Sean Kelly who's
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  Speaker 1: been in a million bands. Good buddy, Mike Portnoy, we
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  Speaker 1: all know him. Francis pot Band, Nita Strauss, I'm at
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  Speaker 1: Zappa uh in.
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  Speaker 2: Here as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's also see Marty free Blitz from over Kill.
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  Speaker 1: Rich Davenport. Yeah, that's that's the whole cast.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a small world. And more and more
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  Speaker 4: I find, uh, these names are people that I've had on.
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  Speaker 4: Sean Kelly's been on the podcast for his uh his book,
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  Speaker 4: Don't Call It hair Metal. Yeah, super nice guy, great writer, too,
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  Speaker 4: great writer. So that's how the books set up, and
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  Speaker 4: it's it's all about Iron Maiden. And it's obvious how
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  Speaker 4: much of a fan you are. You remember the dates
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  Speaker 4: and the record stores of the albums. You bought the albums.
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  Speaker 4: Take us back to when you've became a fan and
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  Speaker 4: you were on top of each release once it came out,
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  Speaker 4: you bought it. Take us back to those years especially.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I have that stuff in there because I have this, uh,
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  Speaker 1: this book.
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  Speaker 3: Do you use the video at all anywhere?
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  Speaker 1: Eric, I can't remember you, or just straight audio?
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  Speaker 4: You know this is video two.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I was going to show you this book
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  Speaker 1: here quickly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, for those listening on audio, make sure you
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  Speaker 4: go to YouTube. You're gonna see this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Basically, I've got this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna flip through it, but I've got this
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  Speaker 1: massive book that I've had ever since I was a kid,
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  Speaker 1: of you know, handwritten all my notes of you know,
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  Speaker 1: everything I bought.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's so cool.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what I stuck into the introduction. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: to answer your question, you know, I was a massive
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  Speaker 1: metal fan all through, starting in the early seventies. But
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  Speaker 1: when the new wave of British heavy metal rolled around,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we would make our trips to Spokane, Washington
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  Speaker 1: and go to Magic Mushrooms or Strawberry Jams record store,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, they were getting in Sounds magazine, which
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  Speaker 1: is you know, supplanted while actually they went at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, but Karrang later, right, So Sounds Korrang you'd
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  Speaker 1: get the forty five. You'd have the little patch in
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  Speaker 1: there with the picture Sleep forty fives, maybe the new
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  Speaker 1: albums and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I had.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember for sure, maybe it's in the book,
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  Speaker 1: but I can't remember for sure if Metal for Mothers
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  Speaker 1: one came first in terms of my ownership or the
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  Speaker 1: Iron Maiden debut, but I definitely remember. My version of
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  Speaker 1: the Iron Maiden debut was the UK copy, so I
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  Speaker 1: bought that as an original UK release, and of course
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  Speaker 1: I was there for the whole Iron Maiden journey. That's
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  Speaker 1: not surprising. I mean they're starting in nineteen eighty kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. So yeah, every album is a new release since.
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  Speaker 1: And then when Iron Maiden, of course came out domestically,
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  Speaker 1: it had Sanctuary on it. The original didn't have Sanctuary
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  Speaker 1: on it.
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  Speaker 4: But the story actually goes back to nineteen seventy five.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't realize it goes back that far.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they're a bit like they're one of these
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  Speaker 1: They're a bit like Rush, They're a bit like Judas Priests.
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  Speaker 1: They're even a bit like Van Halen, where there's this
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  Speaker 1: long lead up history with you know, various band member changes.
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  Speaker 1: But Iron Maid had ridiculous band member changes throughout all
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  Speaker 1: the years, right, So yeah, yeah, so Steve's got all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of people cycling in and out of the band,
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  Speaker 1: and it's pretty cool that that, you know, he had
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  Speaker 1: the vision to be making this new modern heavy metal
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  Speaker 1: music that early. You know, we think of them as
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  Speaker 1: a as a nineteen eighty band, but but that you know,
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  Speaker 1: that band was was pretty much most of the way
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  Speaker 1: there by nineteen seventy seven, seventy eight, seventy nine. Of
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  Speaker 1: course we got the Soundhouse Tapes coming out in seventy nine.
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  Speaker 1: So when it comes to the new wave of British
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  Speaker 1: heavy metal, you know, there's this big debate whether you
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  Speaker 1: should include Motorhead or not.
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  Speaker 2: I always totally do.
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  Speaker 1: But you've got Motorhead, you've got Sampson with the record,
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  Speaker 1: You've got Saxon with the record, but people forget you
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  Speaker 1: also have Iron Maiden with the Soundhouse Tapes, which is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, good quality, proper great new wave of British
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  Speaker 1: heavy metal. You could tell already that this was a
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  Speaker 1: band that was going to be going places, and then
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  Speaker 1: just into early nineteen eighty you get the debut album
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  Speaker 1: and they basically become the king, the kings of the
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  Speaker 1: whole roost when it comes to the new waver British
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  Speaker 1: heavy metal.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you mentioned Steve, you referend to Steve Harris
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  Speaker 4: the basis, so he's he's the original, like the original guy,
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  Speaker 4: like he's the one who started at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the boss throughout the whole thing. And and
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  Speaker 1: there's various lead singers. We got Paul Mary O'Day at
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  Speaker 1: one point goes on to be being the band more
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  Speaker 1: and then and then Wildfire, but uh, but yeah, Steve
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  Speaker 1: is Steve is the boss. He's he's writing things. He's
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  Speaker 1: he's the guy sort of cycling guys in and out.
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  Speaker 1: We got Dave Murray early on, but yeah, eventually we
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  Speaker 1: land on Paul Deano. Paul Deano was in there for
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  Speaker 1: the first and the second album and a live EP,
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  Speaker 1: and then Bruce Dickinson comes in. He comes in from Samson,
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  Speaker 1: So Bruce Dickinson is actually one of those new Waiver
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  Speaker 1: British heavy metal guys that's there super super early on.
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  Speaker 1: He comes in and the rest of the history.
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  Speaker 4: And Paul Deanna was there longer than I realized, Like
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  Speaker 4: I say, two albums and a live album, right, two
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  Speaker 4: studio albums in a live.
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  Speaker 3: Album, live EP.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, and he's on the first single running Free.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on all that original stuff, including the soundhouse tapes.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, his whole thing was he had this
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  Speaker 1: great sort of growling voice and he was considered a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of like he came from a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a punk background. So he had the black the iconic
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  Speaker 1: black leather jacket, the slightly shorter hair than the other guys.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bit of a wild man, right.
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  Speaker 2: We know he's still going.
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  Speaker 1: I just interviewed him a couple months ago, and but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's in there. And eventually I think the guys become
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  Speaker 1: essentially kind of like scared of his lifestyle and almost
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  Speaker 1: like he's not taking care of himself, he's not improving,
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  Speaker 1: maybe his attitude isn't quite there for loving this kind
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  Speaker 1: of heavy metal music.
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  Speaker 2: And then Bruce Dickinson just fits perfectly right.
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  Speaker 4: It was like he was made for the band. He
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  Speaker 4: should have been there from the star. Yeah, Running Free?
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  Speaker 4: Do you agree with that release? The label released it,
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  Speaker 4: and the guys on the panel pretty much universally say
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  Speaker 4: it had the most commercial appeal. Did you do you
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  Speaker 4: agree with that release as a first single?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I I suppose so. I never really thought about it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a bit of a stilted, awkward, galloping,
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  Speaker 1: tribal kind of rhythm to it, but uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the sentiment of it and the chorus of it are
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  Speaker 1: commercial enough sounding. Right, So you know this this Running Free,
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  Speaker 1: Uh you know, the youth, the new heavy metal army
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing. You know, it all lines up. It's
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  Speaker 1: short enough, it's not it's not some crazy epic. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it is a good, good choice for a
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  Speaker 1: single as a sanctuary, you know. That's that's a good
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  Speaker 1: anthemic sort of rocker too. So these sorts of things
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  Speaker 1: I suppose feel more like a single than than Iron
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  Speaker 1: Maiden or Iron Maiden is not bad either, but Transylvania
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, there's there's other songs obviously that
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  Speaker 1: are less single like. But running Free yeah, good, good, good,
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  Speaker 1: punky anthemic, you know, straight between the ice Rocker.
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  Speaker 4: Booked on rock Podcasts. Will be back after.
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  Speaker 1: This, I I'll be right back.
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  Speaker 4: We talked about Steve Harris being there from day one.
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  Speaker 4: We got to talk about Eddie. Let's talk Eddie. He
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  Speaker 4: was there pretty much from the beginning. He was the
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  Speaker 4: band's mascot, right, and there's the interesting story of how
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  Speaker 4: it all started. It was like he was just like
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  Speaker 4: a paper machine mask used in a stage backdrop, and
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  Speaker 4: then they they just said, let's make him the the mascot,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and then he they made the artist Derek
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  Speaker 4: Rag who Derrek Ridge is the artist who created But
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  Speaker 4: my question to you, though, is how important you think
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  Speaker 4: it is the character of Eddie to the band because
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  Speaker 4: they made a lot of money, right, the merchandise, the
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  Speaker 4: T shirts, the posters, the action figures.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally important.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was, you know, and and there's a
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  Speaker 1: there's an even deeper significance to the idea that that
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  Speaker 1: first album cover. And I remember thinking this immediately when
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  Speaker 1: I saw it, was that, you know, you really did
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  Speaker 1: have a new sort of really garished you know, what's
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  Speaker 1: inside is definitely gonna look like what's on the tin
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  Speaker 1: kind of feel to seeing this this you know, ghoulish
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  Speaker 1: neon green illustrated, roughly illustrated monster on the cover, And
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  Speaker 1: and that sort of signified or or lined up or
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  Speaker 1: paralleled with the whole idea of the new waver British
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  Speaker 1: heavy metal, where it's like we are now proud to
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  Speaker 1: be and proud to look heavy metal, whereas in the
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  Speaker 1: old days, you know, as I often say, Black Sabbath
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  Speaker 1: essentially looked like the Eagles, you know, and so did
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  Speaker 1: the album covers. The album covers weren't particularly heavy metal.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they look like Eagles album.
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  Speaker 2: Covers or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Doobie Brothers so fog hat all these bands there were,
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  Speaker 1: there was no sort of unified heavy metal image. And
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  Speaker 1: I think Eddie was was one of the great early
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  Speaker 1: examples of the fact that you know, we're gonna move
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  Speaker 1: into cartoony illustration somewhat right. Tigers are pantang with Wildcat
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  Speaker 1: and Quartz stand up and fight, and and you essentially
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  Speaker 1: had you know, this this look and and of course, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you have this mascot that aligns with the stage show.
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  Speaker 1: And eventually, or you know, quite soon, you've got people,
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  Speaker 1: you know, dressing up as Eddie Rody or whatever coming
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  Speaker 1: on stage.
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  Speaker 2: And that's cool and.
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  Speaker 1: And it's perfect for T shirts. You know, the ink
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  Speaker 1: colors and all that.
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  Speaker 2: You've got the red.
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  Speaker 1: And black and white you know of the Iron Maiden logo,
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  Speaker 1: and it goes with this neon green thing and that
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  Speaker 1: printed up nicely on a black T shirt. So they're
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  Speaker 1: off to the races. And then Eddie is used as
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  Speaker 1: this great you know, a brand essentially, you know, an
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  Speaker 1: extension of the logo itself that you see on all
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  Speaker 1: the album covers, and it just becomes this amazing, amazing
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  Speaker 1: merchandising tool that they've exploited basically better than than probably
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  Speaker 1: anything in all of rock and roll. It's probably the
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  Speaker 1: number one greatest, you know, most extensively used over years
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  Speaker 1: and years and decades, you know, merchandising idea. I guess
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  Speaker 1: rivaled by Kiss, right, well, I was says yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Kiss and Eddie are probably the two at the top
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  Speaker 1: of the food chain.
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  Speaker 4: They the coolest. The coolest was the poster. They had
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  Speaker 4: a poster. If you had a white door, it worked perfectly.
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  Speaker 4: My brother had the poster of Eddie and it looked
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  Speaker 4: like he's coming through the door. So if you had
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  Speaker 4: a white door, it was a white poster and it
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  Speaker 4: was so cool, so cool. And then you have me
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  Speaker 4: looking at the women in uniform single that's when you
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  Speaker 4: see him, like you write in all his Glory, that's
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  Speaker 4: and that was released around Halloween nineteen eighty and that's
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  Speaker 4: he's that green, like he said, look almost like he's
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  Speaker 4: glowing and green. It's the full head to tell Eddie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Derek played kind of loose and fast with him, right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean essentially that first Eddie was like a pre
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  Speaker 1: existing piece of artwork and it was actually based on
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  Speaker 1: like a a literal shrunken head that was stuck on
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  Speaker 1: a tank.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the Vietnam War is where Derek came
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  Speaker 2: up with that.
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  Speaker 1: But but the first Eddie looked much different when you
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  Speaker 1: got to the second official Eddie want I say official
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  Speaker 1: on an album cover, Eddie on Killers and then and
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  Speaker 1: then Eddie kind of looked different again on on Number
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  Speaker 1: of the Beasts. So Derek wasn't being all that precise
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  Speaker 1: in getting the personality of that face to match Eddie
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  Speaker 1: to Eddie. But the other cool thing that he started
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  Speaker 1: doing is he started having things done to Eddie where
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's getting the lobotomy on Peace of Mind,
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  Speaker 1: and then he's kind of like this disembodied spiritual thing
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  Speaker 1: on Seventh Son and you know, you got the futuristic
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  Speaker 1: So so the futuristic Eddie on Somewhere in Time is
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  Speaker 1: still the lobottomy Eddie. So you know, Derek had this
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  Speaker 1: kind of neat idea that that Eddie, you know, he
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  Speaker 1: might look like a scary monster, but he's he's sort
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  Speaker 1: of part fan as well, and he's he's part of
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  Speaker 1: the fan base, and you can imagine him being in
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  Speaker 1: the pit, but he's also even though he's a monster
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  Speaker 1: and can and can do acts of evil or violence,
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  Speaker 1: he's he's taking a lot of hits at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: and he and he's getting chopped up and having these
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  Speaker 1: injuries done to him as time goes on.
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  Speaker 3: So that was a cool thing there.
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  Speaker 4: It makes him a lik of a character. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: let's talk about the Dano years a little bit before
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  Speaker 4: we move into that phase of the band where they're
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  Speaker 4: most popular. With Bruce Dickinson. The two albums that he
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  Speaker 4: made you're a fan of. So it's not like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: obviously Bruce Dickinson was was a perfect fit for the band.
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  Speaker 4: But you like those first two albums, and I think.
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  Speaker 2: Mary but he does.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's no Iron Maiden fan that doesn't like those
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  Speaker 1: records at all. They're both really cool, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: the first one's a little rougher. It's got Will Malone
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  Speaker 1: producing on it. It's maybe a little thin, a little rough.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, the funny thing is, I remember distinctly
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  Speaker 1: feeling this in nineteen eighty that the better band of
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  Speaker 1: the two, you know, the best band of the new
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  Speaker 1: bands was Angel, which it was an Iron Maiden. But quickly,
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  Speaker 1: quickly that all changed because by the time you got
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  Speaker 1: to Killers, you know, there were so many great ideas
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: and you've got the Martin Birch production on there. You know,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: they grew by leaps and bounds and by that point,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: you basically, you know, we came to the realization that
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: there was no better new wave of British heavy metal
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: band than Iron Maiden. But by you know, having the
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: evidence of two albums at this point and then a
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: third immediately in eighty two, they were well off to
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the races. You know, the obvious competition is Motorhead and Saxon,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: maybe Tigers of Pantang as well. And then you've got
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: the older guard who are you know, you got the
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: really old guard like your Sabbaths and stuff still going
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: although they've changed. You've got the slightly newer guard like
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: your Judas Priests there going along and Scorpions is there.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Everybody's you know, it's a great time to be a
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: metal band. Ozzy Osbourne's having a hit band at the
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: same time. But yeah, sure, those those first two albums,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: everybody loves them and they still play lots and of
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: songs off of them and we're all well accustomed to
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Bruce Dickinson singing all those songs now.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: So yeah, just good quality. A couple of first two albums.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: Well, it was a self titled debut in then nineteen
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: eighty one was Killers, which has Twilight Zone that's a
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: cool tune.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Rathchild's amazing on that burdatory bluborg Yeah, yep.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Martin pop Off is the author of Iron Made an
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: Album by Album. The new edition out September tenth, so
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: I think it's going to be out by the time
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: this episode runs. So seems as if you know, Bruce Dicktson,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: like I said, he was meant to be the guy
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: from the start, just took a little while for Steve
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: Harris to find him. How did he end up joining.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Well, they knew him from Samson, and you know they
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: talk about this apocryphal you know, meeting at reading out
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: in the field between Bruce and their manager Rod Smallwood.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: But basically and the.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Way Bruce talks about it, I believe, if I recall correctly,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: like he he saw that band and he says, that's
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the band I want to be, And those guys look
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: like they're really going places. There were always problems with
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Sampson and Paul Sampson. You know, Samson was considered to
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: be a band that was maybe a little behind the times,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: not not looking to the future of heavy metal. Paul
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: had a real kind of love of seventies rock and stuff,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: but you know, I maintained that that that Samson's Shock Tactics,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the last one before Bruce leaves, is an absolute masterpiece.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: It's gorgeously recorded.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I I've all, I've even said, uh, it might be
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Bruce's greatest album in terms of the greatest vocal performance ever.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: But you know that's arguable.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, singing is singing, but it is a really
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: really good album. But yeah, I think, uh, I think
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Bruce kind of could see that maybe uh, you know,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the pieces uh in in the Samson band, uh, individually
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: or collectively weren't as talented as these pieces he was
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: seeing in this firecracker of a band, Iron May who
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: were obviously getting a lot of attention.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: And now Iron Maiden is having problems with their lead.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Singer, you know, and and the other thing.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I didn't even think of this, but
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: right off the bat, you know, Iron Maiden is clearly
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: already a pretty darn successful band, uh, and much more
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: successful than Samson. So yeah, Bruce, Bruce I think could
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: see the writing on the wall that even right off
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the bat, it was a step up in terms of
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you know, his his financial situation and business situation because
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Iron Maiden already was a very, very exciting band that
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: everybody was talking about.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: And his first album, Number of the Beast March of
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: eighty two that came out. Tell me about the studio
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: was haunted? Is it that was the story?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe they talked about that a little bit.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And I remember the other thing, you know, they all
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: feel about that album is that the studio was kind
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: of like antiquated equipment. And this album was done really quickly,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: so it's it's a little bit loose and fast, but
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: that's part of its charm as well, and the ideas
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: are still coming fast and furious. They've got as many
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: good ideas on this album as they do on the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: previous album.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: You know, Hallowed be Thy Name is.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Considered still to this day maybe Iron Mean's greatest song
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: of all time. It certainly got all the characteristics. They
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: would do many songs like Hallowed be Thy Name as
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: time went on. But I love twenty two Okajia Avenue
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: on there and Prisoner. I'm not a big fan of
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: the title track, and there's a couple other songs people
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: complain about on that album, a little bit like Gangland.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a big Run to the Hills
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: fan either, But yeah, absolutely great album.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: And yes, so now they've.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Got three albums in the new way of British heavy
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: metal that everybody loves.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Well, what would the band be though, without Run to
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: the to the Hills because that was what introduced them
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: to a wide audience. So is it that important a
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: song for the band?
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Well, sure it is, but you know, the all these
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: what if situations. I mean, if that song hadn't existed,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: some other band song would have been the single, and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: they would have pushed it just as hard and it
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: probably would have done just as well. Right, I just
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I just find it. I I just I really don't
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: like that frantic, galloping beat of the thing. And I
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: think the story's a little naff, as they would say
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: in the UK. So yeah, that one just seems a
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: little how almost like silly and punky I suppose, And
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you know, and and Steve, and Steve, you know, if
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: he was sitting here listening to us, he doesn't ever
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: want to be called punky, so so he would he
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: would agree that, you know, punky is a pejorative that
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: you don't want to be called.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I suppose.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Well, here here's your excerpt on the battery studios, being
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: possibly haunted. The number of the Beast was rush recorded
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: on antiquated equipment at Battery Studios in the space of
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: five weeks. Stories abound of the studio lights flickering on
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: and off and equipment inexplicably going on the fritz. And
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: then there was Martin Birch's van accident with a group
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: of nuns, with the repair bill coming in at six
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: hundred and sixty six euros six six six. Oh wow,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: this is that follow up album nineteen eighty three's Peace
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: of Mind. You're write quote not since Led Zeppelin has
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: a drummer puts such a stamp on a band as
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Nico McBrain. He replaces Clive Burke. So first, why was
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Clive out of the band? And second, how important in
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: your opinion is Nico's arrival.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's, you know, somewhat parallel to the
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: attitude situation maybe of Paul Deano. Niko's arrival is really
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: interesting because I don't feel like Nico had a particular
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: complete stamper style before this, you know, playing with Trust
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: or Pat Travers band or whatever. But he arrives and
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: he immediately has this great sound, this great drumming style,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: this kind of in the pocket, you know, around the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: horn with the toms, a great tom sound. We get
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to hear him be really highly technical right away with
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Where Eagles Dare. So what I love about that album
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: why it's my favorite Iron Maiden album, is you get
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: this excitement of having all these great personalities in the band.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: You've got personality from the guitar end a thing with
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the with the trademark twin leads. You've got personality with
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Steve Harris and his bass playing and his writing and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: his lyric writing.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: You've got great.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Personality with this amazing lead singer. And now you've even
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: got personality out of the drummer. So I think that's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: one of the cool things about Iron Maiden is they
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: were just like brimming with personality in all departments of
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the of the heavy metal machine kind of thing. And
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: you and you hear that, you know, throughout that record.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: A couple of singles, Flight of Ikris and the Trooper.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: The Trooper still a big one. The Trooper still gets
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: played a lot.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's probably their most famous song, I
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: would say, and uh, and it's also famous uh, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: it's well loved as well, and it's also famous and
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: it's well loved, and it's really a lot like Iron Maiden.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: So they have a lot of songs that use a
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: lot of the cool tricks that Trooper, you know, including
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the amazing Twin lead in it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Right, I think you said this is your favorite, or
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: that you feel this is the best Maiden album.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I feel that way. I think it's probably my favorite
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Maiden album. So they're building up to it. I mean,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I love I love, you know, almost every single Iron
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Maiden album, or or I put it this way, I
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: like a lot pretty much every single Iron made album.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this this I think is my favorite because
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you know, this is the last one where I feel
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: like power Slave and I remember thinking this the moment
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I heard it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: I liked it a lot and I love it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Actually, I mean, it's a great, great album, but I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: think I love it and like it a lot because
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: it really was Peace of Mind Part two or or
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: or Mark two or not Well part two, uh, just
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the same way that Master of Puppets. The moment I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: heard that, I thought, this is like ticking a lot
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of the same boxes. Ride the Lightning. They're both amazing records.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's kind of a simil the album.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: So Power Slave was the first time I felt like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: this is very much like Peace of Mind. And then
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and then they had settled into their sound and never
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: changed their sound ever again, which is kind of interesting.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like, basically, when you arrive at Peace of Mind,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: every single Iron Maiden from that point forward smartly actually,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: because of all that great personality in the band, they
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: kind of come up with a formula and they never
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: change it ever again.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: You know, I never even thought about that. That's kind
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: of like ACDC. They never changed with the times. They
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: just stay true to their sound from that point forward. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Power Slave had two Minutes to Midnight, which is a
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: great song. Aces High nineteen eighty six, Somewhere in Time
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: featured Wasted Years, Stranger in a Strange Land in nineteen
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: eighty eight, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. Now, this
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: is the one where if you were to take a
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: pole of Iron Maiden fans, I think most would say, right,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: this is this is the best among the fan base.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting, because you're right. I am starting to
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: hear that a lot, and I'm always surprised by that.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I really don't think people would say it's the best,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: you know. Obviously what happens is the slightly younger Iron
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Maiden fan might gravitate to that in the same way
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: that I do. Hear a lot of people say Heaven
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and Hell is the greatest Black Sabbath album. So I
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: have heard that, yes, a lot of times, but overwhelmingly
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I hear people say Peace of Mind is the best,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and and after that, I would say, people say Number
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: of the Beast is the best, you know, second best. Famously,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Brian Slagel Number of the Beast is his favorite favorite
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: album by anybody of all time, right, yeah, you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: and I hear Power Slave sometimes I hear Killers. So
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Seventh Son to me probably is going.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: To come in fourth or fifth.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Really, uh, if you took a massive, massive survey of everybody.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: But but it is really interesting that, you know, if
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you're if you're in your forties and fifties, I definitely
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: hear Seventh Son mentioned quite a bit.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that has can I play with Madness, The Evil
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: that Men Do and the Clairvoyant. I think those are
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: the three singles. Now this I almost forgot to ask
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: you about this. You say, two minutes at Midnight is
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: your favorite Maiden song of all time? What what puts
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: ahead of other classic Maiden songs, because there are quite
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: a few.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I just love that it's got some Samson to it.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: It's it's got some rock and rollsiness. That's how I
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: always describe it, rock and rollsie. And and you know
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: people have said that about and it's almost over said
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: now because I think I think everybody gets it from me.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: But I I I've always called Adrian Smith the rock
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and rollsy guy in the band. And it's not true
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: really because when you when you go later on into
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the into the two thousands of albums and stuff, it's
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: it's actually hard to distinguish who's who's who in that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: band when it comes to the personalities. But yeah, to me, it's, uh,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: it's just got a little bit of seventies to it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: It's got some groove, it's got a little bit more
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: of a traditional.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Riff to it. I love the story, I love the parts.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: It's just a cool It's like a three beer.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Iron Maiden song rather than a scholarly Iron Maiden song.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Book on podcasts, we'll be back after this.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: We will not identification.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: This is nuts.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Wow, Iron Maide in the nineties. It starts with nineteen
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: nineties No Prayer for the Dying and then follows with
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: ninety two's Fear of the Dark. Bruce Dickinson is out
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: of the band after that album. What led to his.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Departure, Yeah, the nineties is a bit of a fallow period.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I think most people wouldn't say No Prayer for the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Dying or Fear of the darker particularly good albums, And
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: then most people wouldn't say the two Blaze albums aren't
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: particularly good albums.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: So I think Bruce is a little bit.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I did a history in Five Songs with Martin pop
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Off podcast episode calling Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford doppelgangers, right,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: because the career path is just insanely similar, right, and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: as is the Iron Maiden and Judas Priests career path.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: But essentially what happens is I think Bruce is realizing
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that his band isn't making that good music and we're
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: not really moving forward, and we're just doing the same
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: thing over and over again and kind of like inferior
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: versions of it. Right. There's a lot of deep tracks
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: on No Prayer and Fear of the Dark that that
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: people have a lot of disdain for right. So Bruce
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: is is like any good artists, saying, I gotta, I
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: gotta make a bold move here. I got to do
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: something more interesting than this. So he goes off and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: does a solo career and and does some some really
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: really good music that fans just love out of that guy. Right.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he's he's out of the band, you know,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: just just sewing his creative so to speak. And then
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Iron Man goes into this long agonizing period just like
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Judas Priest, which takes them a long time to figure
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: out get a new singer, and they come back with
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: two albums that confirm Bruce's uh, you know, suspicions that
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the songwriting has really kind of gone down the tubes
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: and we're not really coming up with anything new. And
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: basically The X Factor and Virtual eleven are dimmer versions
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: of No Prayer for the Dying and Fear of the Dark.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: So they have this period where you know, the the
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you know, the recordings aren't very good, the songs are
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: getting long, but for no good reason.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: But those aren't smaller labels too with those two albums.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and and they're and they're you know, moving
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: down into theaters and there's antagonism with the fans, and
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Steve is up there and giving the finger to the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: fans if the fans are like getting on Blaze's back
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and and you know, Blaze turns out to be a
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: guy that doesn't have the same kind of voice as Bruce,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: so he's not doing the high stuff as much. And yeah,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: just it just turns out to be not a great
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: period for the band. And like Judas Priest, but first
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: before Judas Priest. Uh, you know, there's there's the big
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: hoopla of the of the reunion with Bruce and they
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: they come back stronger than ever.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they did the X Factor in ninety five, Virtual
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: eleven in ninety eight with Blaze Bailey on lead vocals. Yeah,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: not easy to replace Bruce Dickinson. That is kind of
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: what I think David Lee Roth was thinking when he
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: left Van Hill and like I'll be back today because
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: that's really the way things normally go. Like, I think
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: it's a good move for Bruce to do what he
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: did from an artistic standpoint, He's able to do things
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: he wanted to do. But then if you step away
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: for a while, the fans look forward to your return
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: even more so. But you point out the book, it
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: wasn't like when he came back, it was an immediate
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: oh my god, Bruce's back in Maiden and they're selling out,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: you know, huge arenas. That took a couple of years.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Brave New World came out in two thousand, has the
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Wicker Man on it, really cool single. But as you
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: know in the book, took a few years for Maiden
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: to become big again. When did things start to pick
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: up for the band? And what do you credit for
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Iron Maiden's resurgence.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fascinating story because I remember seeing all
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: this and I was there seeing Iron Maiden on the
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Brave New World tour in Massy Hall in Toronto, which
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: is you know, it's a it's it's a venerable theater
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: that fits about twenty two hundred.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, he comes back.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Metal is in not a great place. So even the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: whole story of Bruce coming back was was kind of
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: a limited thing. I mean, it was massive with our magazine,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Brave Words and Bloody Knuckles and that whole That whole
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: period was great, but it does take a couple of years.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Dance to Death comes out in two thousand and three,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Matter of Life, of Death, Life and Death, which is
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: considered one of the better ones.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Two thousand and six.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: So that whole two thousand and three four or five
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: period feels like that's when this massively inspiring story of
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: this band coming back and playing bigger and bigger venues.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: And you know, I almost feel like it starts with
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: like the shed tours of the summers and stuff, because hey, yeah, yeah,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: but I remember, you know, specifically interviewing Bruce backstage at
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Mulson Amphitheater for the dance of Death or No Matter
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: of Life and Death to her, I believe it was,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and you know, having a full size crowd there at
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that thing sixteen thousand, that place holds. But you know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: you ask what I credit. I credit the idea of
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: them being valid by constantly making new music, but that's really.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: A small part of it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I think. Also you got to credit the ongoing merchandise
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: value and just the machine of Eddie. But the main
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: thing I credit, I think is the fact that those
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: guys all stayed athletic and put on an amazing show
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: and Bruce could still sing and he's running around the stage,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and so is everybody's everybody's up there just giving her.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: They stayed scandal free and drug free and all that stuff.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: It was just this inspiring version of the band that, Wow,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: these guys can still deliver the goods. So I think
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: it's their reputation as an amazing live band more than anything.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: But put that, put the you know, the prongs together,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the three prong that the Devil's try and approach or
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. You got the live show,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: you got them being a valid band by making new music,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and you've got this great, this great merchandising machine to
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: go along with it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: I saw him in five on the Odds Fest tour
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: and they were amazing. But I also think too a
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: lot of those younger metal bands were starting to talk
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: about Iron Maiden's influence on them, and so the younger
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: generation of fans hear that name and say, okay, let's
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: check them out. I think that had a lot to
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: do with it as well. And then and then you
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: had the Final Frontier twenty ten, book of Soul's twenty
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: fifteen and Sunjitsu twenty twenty one, which is now in
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: the latest edition of the book. Iron Made Album, Iron
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Made an album, My album, right yeah, yeah, So your
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: opinion of the Iron Maiden's work over the last few
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: decades not a band running on fumes, No, not.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Running on fumes, and again that they just maintain they're
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: probably even bigger than they ever were. I would I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: would argue, and you know, and and what I think
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: is amazing is when you think of who are the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: two biggest metal bands in existence, you think of Metallica
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and Iron Maiden, So they're literally, you know, number one
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: or number two, right, probably number two, right, but but
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: still just a massive, massive band. I quite like what
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: they've done over over the last while. I think Consensus
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: does seem to be coalescing around a matter of life
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and death as being their greatest album of the modern era.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: But I'm I'm quite a fan of Book of Souls
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and Final Frontier. Less so Siennjuitsu. You know, there's been
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of complaints about Sennjuitsu and the idea that
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: they just keep making longer and longer songs that aren't
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: particularly progressive. They just happen to be long with a
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: lot of repetition and stuff. So you know, I'm I'm
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I'm that guy, I'm that fan. You know that deaf
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Leopard fan who they never did anything ever good again
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: after Pyromania blah blah blah. I'm that fan of Maiden
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: that would want uh, I would love to see it
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: get through to them that that Wow, wouldn't it be
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: cool to have an album with with twelve four.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Minute songs on it?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Kind of thing, right, Just just give it, give us
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: that heavy because there's flashes of that on on all
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: of these albums, which I just really love. But yeah,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: credit to them for for keeping on doing this and
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: keeping on leaving the new songs in the set, because
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you know, frankly, Iron Made has some really really deep,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: scholarly fans, and those guys don't want to hear the
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: same old hits over and over again. They they appreciate
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: that through time, Uh, Steve's Steve's up there delivering, delivering
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the new music. And and as as time moves on
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: and we look back on these things and they put
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of live albums, it's great to see that
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: we will have, you know, forever, more live versions of
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: all these deep cuts from these later albums.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Podcast. We'll be back after this, I swim, I'll make
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: it up to you. Let's finish out with the current
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: state of the band. I mean they is Nico okay,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: I know Nicko McBrain had some health issues.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: What you go, there's very little in the news.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I write.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: One of the funny amusing things about them is somebody
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: was saying, is that really news when Steve comes out
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: and says we aren't working on a new album right
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: now right So it's it's funny.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: But we've had British line along the ways.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: You know, this has probably come to think of it,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: you know you're asking that question. I've never really thought
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: about this, but this might This might be the least
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: bit of Iron Maiden news time period over a bunch
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: of months that I've ever seen. So there's there's very
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: little being talked about Iron Maiden that usually means they
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: are working on a new album. You know, that's one
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: of the cool things about this band. They will just
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: spring this on you almost at some point, which is
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: kind of cool, and I don't put it past them
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: to do that. So, so what is it sindji to
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: September twenty September twenty twenty, so it's now where you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: three full years since snjitsu already, So that's that's kind
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: of interesting. But No, I don't think there really is
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: particularly any new news on the band.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Nico had a stroke, but he's recovering. Yeahwise on
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: his right side, but he's recovering. It looks like he's
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, they still haven't listed as a current member
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: of the band. So that's good to hear. Iron Made
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: now By album the latest edition. It's out September ten,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: and you can find it wherever books are sold. Also,
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: people go to your website. Do you offer the sign
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: copies of this book Martin through your website?
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely anything that is in print, I keep
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: stock of it myself. Like a big part of my
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: job is being a mail order guy of my own stuff,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: So I'm signing everything, sending them all out. I've signed
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: lots of these and sent them out already right now.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: It's not well actually, by the time this airs, it
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: will be properly at my website.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: But right now you can go to where the old
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: edition is.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: It's all the same prices and just hit the PayPal
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: button and buy. But I think I'm going to delete
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that and put up the new edition. So there's PayPal
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: buttons buy now buttons for America, Canada, International, and yeah,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I'll sign them and send them out.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: Well, if all goes as planned this episode, people will
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: be listening to this on the day of the release
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: September ten, if not very close. So as always, Martin, thanks,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Oh let's plug the website Martin Popoff dot com and
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: also the podcasts whatever you want to let the people know.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, History and five Songs with Martin pop Off anywhere
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. I'm up to two hundred and
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: seventy episodes of that. I've got a new one that
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I do with John Gaffney called Kicked in the Teeth
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and ACDC podcast. Oh okay video show the Contrarians as well.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: And yeah, book wise, I just had out Rainbow Run
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: with the Wolf Rainbow on Record, which is a panel
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: book just like this one, although it's more of a
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: trade paperback.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: It's not full color throughout hardcover.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Like this is, and then shortly through just it's going
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to look just as good as this one. We've got
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Judas Priest album by album coming out shortly.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Tell me about this Kicked in the Teeth podcast. Huge
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: a CDC fan. This is cool.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: John Gashley who has this great this great YouTube channel
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: called Layer of the Alchemist and he also does a
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Black Sabbath podcast for Pantheon. But John, it was John's
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: suggestion that we do an ac DC podcast. So we're
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: we're up to about eight episodes. Now, we don't do them,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: you know, my my podcast I do every week, but
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: this one we do about every three weeks.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Or all right, eight episodes.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Well, you have a new subscriber. I am going to supper. Yeah,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: it looks like it started back in the spring. I
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: think in March, maybe March April. Okay, nice, love ac DC.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: All right, Martin, thanks again, always love having you on.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: We'll have you on soon again, I'm sure.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: So all right, thanks very much, Eric, very cool. Always
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: a pleasure.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: That's it. It's in the books.