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Tacoma Tot Teekah Lewis Seemingly Disappears Into Thin Air at Bowling Alley · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and the middle of a
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Speaker 1: bowling alley. You think everybody's having fun, because I know
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Speaker 1: we do lots of fun at the bowling alley. But
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Speaker 1: how does a little girl seemingly disappear into thin air
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Speaker 1: from the middle of a bowling alley with her family there?
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Speaker 1: How does that happen? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. When
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Speaker 1: I go bowling with the twins with or without my
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Speaker 1: husband David, I can see them sitting right there. They
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Speaker 1: don't just disappear into thin air. But that is exactly
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Speaker 1: what happened to this little girl. We want answers. First
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Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to this. It was January
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Speaker 1: twenty third. Tika was at a crowded bowling alley with
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Speaker 1: her family in Tacoma, Washington. Members of the family were
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Speaker 1: taking turns watching Tica and some other young children with them,
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Speaker 1: and they were distracted for a few moments. When they
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Speaker 1: turned around, she was gone. Since then, no one has
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Speaker 1: seen her. Now I get being distracted at the bowling
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Speaker 1: alley because when as you're turned to bowl, you get
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Speaker 1: the ball, you go up, you set your sights on
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Speaker 1: the pins, and you roll it out. You see what happens.
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Speaker 1: You wait and you see your score, so you're looking.
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Speaker 1: I would guess at least a minute. And I know
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Speaker 1: in a lot of functions, say at a church function,
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Speaker 1: or a family reunion, or where you feel you know everybody,
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Speaker 1: you're not staring at your child the whole time. How
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Speaker 1: did this little girl just two years old? She's beautiful?
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Speaker 1: How does she go missing at a crowded bowling alley? Again,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at Fox Station sleven.
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Speaker 1: I want to introduce to you an all star panel
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Speaker 1: of guests, each one an expert in their own right,
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Speaker 1: to try to make sense of it all with me.
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Speaker 1: Dale Carson, criminal defense attorney joining us out of Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: Not just a criminal defense attorney, renown criminal defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: but former FBI and former cop, author of Arrest Proof Yourself.
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Speaker 1: I don't like that, but the rest I like a lot.
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Speaker 1: Psychoanalice to the Stars, joining us out of La Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: dot com and she's star of a brand new Netflix
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Speaker 1: series Bleeding Empire. Investigator Dan Scott, former La County Sheriff
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Speaker 1: sergeant twenty six years Special Victims Bureau specializing in child cases.
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Speaker 1: Olivia Lavoy's crime reporter joining us for QUTE thirteen Fox
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Speaker 1: at Seattle and you can find her on Twitter at
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Speaker 1: QTE thirteen Olivia. But first I want to go to
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Speaker 1: a very special guest joining us, a woman I feel
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Speaker 1: that I befriended over the years. Teresa English. This is
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Speaker 1: Tica's mother and you can find her and to go
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Speaker 1: fund me help pay for a private investigator, and boy
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Speaker 1: do they need one. First of all, Miss English, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. You know, a lot of
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Speaker 1: blame I'll just put it out there has been cast
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Speaker 1: on you because you're the mom Antica disappeared on your watch.
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Speaker 1: But after many, many investigations into this particular case, I
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Speaker 1: think the attacks on you are unjustified. Tell me, Miss English,
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Speaker 1: what happened? What do you remember of the night Tica
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Speaker 1: just disappeared in the bowling alley. It was a family function.
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Speaker 1: I had family members there's I had my brother and
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Speaker 1: my sister in laws. I had my boyfriend at the time,
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Speaker 1: and we were all just having fun, you know, and
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Speaker 1: Pica was Miss Miss English. Miss English, look write this down,
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Speaker 1: because you know what the many times I've looked this case.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know how who what members of your extended
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Speaker 1: family were there. Was this some kind of a reunion
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Speaker 1: or a get together of sorts. It was a get
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Speaker 1: together because I never got out the house. You know,
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Speaker 1: I had four other kids. So my brother invited me
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Speaker 1: to go out with them and my oldest three daughters.
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Speaker 1: They went with their aunt and I had my two
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Speaker 1: youngest one. I had my two year old and my
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Speaker 1: ten months old at the time, the four year old
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Speaker 1: and you're ten months old. Oh man, you got your
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Speaker 1: hands full. I know how it was when the twins
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Speaker 1: or ten months old. How they were when they were
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Speaker 1: two years old and they were starting to walk. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so your brother is his wife there, His wife is there.
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Speaker 1: My other brother and his girlfriend was there. Yes. Did
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Speaker 1: they have children and were the children there? Yes, my
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Speaker 1: brother had his son and he was Oh, he was
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Speaker 1: just a couple of months old, so he was focused
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Speaker 1: on his baby boy. And what about the second brother,
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Speaker 1: he was his girl with him and his wife. It
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Speaker 1: was him and his girl. Yeah, him and his girlfriend
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Speaker 1: at the time. Did they have children. No, they didn't
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Speaker 1: have no kids. So it was you, your brother and
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Speaker 1: his wife. The brother and the girlfriend, the infant son,
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Speaker 1: the brother. Had anybody else from your family? Oh, your
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Speaker 1: boyfriend yes at the time, yes, and anybody else. M
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Speaker 1: my sister, she had her family members there, so it
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Speaker 1: was a it was a big group. How many family
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Speaker 1: members did your sister, Brian? Oh, there was probably like
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Speaker 1: six seven other ones, So it was a pretty big group. Now,
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Speaker 1: hold of just a moment, Miss English, I want to
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Speaker 1: go straight out to Dell Carson joining us out of
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville right now now, not only a criminal defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: but former FBI and Dale. You know, that's kind of
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Speaker 1: it's almost like a family reunion. And I am lulled
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Speaker 1: into a sense of complacency when I'm at a family
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Speaker 1: get together because you feel like with your own family
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Speaker 1: so many of them around, for Pete's sake, that's at
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Speaker 1: least twelve people, I think right there, you feel safe
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Speaker 1: and you feel like everybody is watching each other's children,
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Speaker 1: or at least I would feel that way. Well, that's right,
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Speaker 1: And I think that one of the odd things that
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Speaker 1: we don't understand about petophiles and serial pillars is that
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Speaker 1: they often communicate with one another. And it's a known
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Speaker 1: fact in those circles that amusement areas are prime for
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Speaker 1: picking up potential victims. And we see this here in
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Speaker 1: Florida where these arcades as they were back in the nineties.
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Speaker 1: Of course it's different today. We're basically used as a
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Speaker 1: stomping ground for people picking up young boys and girls
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Speaker 1: who would be runaways and end up in those places.
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Speaker 1: And they would go in and they'd place a stack
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Speaker 1: of quarters, which were used at that time to operate
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Speaker 1: the machines, and that's how they would lure them. So
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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really realizes that. When you're in
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Speaker 1: a family group like that and you're paying attention to
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Speaker 1: one another, you're certainly not expecting that someone would think
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Speaker 1: that an amusement area is someplace where you might find
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Speaker 1: an abduct a child. And so I think, you know what,
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Speaker 1: I'm very torn about what you're saying. Part of me
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Speaker 1: knows that it's true. But I remember my brother, my
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Speaker 1: older brother, helped put himself to college working at one
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Speaker 1: of those arcades in the mall at the time. I
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Speaker 1: also worked at the mall at Sears and Rowbot, Okay,
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Speaker 1: And I would go by and I would see my brother,
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Speaker 1: you know, there, and he's about seven or eight years
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Speaker 1: older than me, and I never thought of it that way.
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Speaker 1: But let me tell you this deal. One of the first,
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Speaker 1: not the first, but one of the first childless station
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Speaker 1: cases I had. Was a little boy I recalled. He
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Speaker 1: was about nine to eleven years old, and he was
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Speaker 1: learning disabled, could hardly speak, and he loved the video
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Speaker 1: arcade deal. Loved it and his mom would give him
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Speaker 1: a role of quarters and take him to the video
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Speaker 1: kade and arcade, like sit in the parking lot and
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Speaker 1: work or whatever she was doing, and then you know
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Speaker 1: they'd go home. Well, one time she found I think
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Speaker 1: it was a twenty dollar folded up bill in his pocket.
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Speaker 1: Turns out at the arcade he had met a pedophile
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Speaker 1: who would sodomize the little boy and in payment would
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Speaker 1: give him some quarters. So it seems like a very
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Speaker 1: innocent place when I was growing up working at Sears
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Speaker 1: and Robot, it's not always innocent crime stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace and I want to follow up on what deal.
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Speaker 1: Courson lawyer right at Jacksonville is saying with Dan Scott,
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Speaker 1: former La County Sheriff's sergeant, he's right, so while mom,
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Speaker 1: who's with us right now, Teresa English is minding her
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Speaker 1: own business. As she's there with her two babies, you
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Speaker 1: don't think, Wow, right over there that group of people,
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Speaker 1: I don't know one of them could be a pedophile.
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Speaker 1: I've been so freaked out about this case. When I
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Speaker 1: took the children alone when they were two or three, starting,
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Speaker 1: you know, going bowling and playing, they'd have to go
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Speaker 1: everywhere with me, even to the bathroom. We could hardly
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Speaker 1: get through a game of bowling because whenever one of
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Speaker 1: them had to go, we'd all go. Because of this case,
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Speaker 1: Tica's case, jump in, Dan Scott. It's always easy in
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Speaker 1: the first person you blame is the mom or the parents,
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Speaker 1: But you have to remember these are predators that solely
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Speaker 1: look for children. They have are experts at it, they're
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Speaker 1: experts at blending in. Yes it's scary, and yes we
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Speaker 1: do our best to watch our children at all times,
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Speaker 1: but it only takes a moment to turn your attention
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Speaker 1: away when these people will snatch. That's all they do
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Speaker 1: is think about where they can tame a child. What
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Speaker 1: you just said something that really hits home to me.
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Speaker 1: In fact, you just gave me chills on my arm.
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Speaker 1: You said, that's all they think about. You're right. For instance,
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Speaker 1: all I think about, beside prime stories is the twins.
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Speaker 1: What am I going to cook them for dinner? What
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Speaker 1: are they what's their homework assignment? Where do they have
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Speaker 1: to be? What's the latest in scouts? All of that.
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Speaker 1: I'm consumed with. That that's all they think about. And
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen of this. This
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Speaker 1: is our friends at crime online dot com. Listen as
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Speaker 1: Tica Lewis is playing in one of the driving games
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Speaker 1: in the Bowling Alley arcade, her mother, Teresa English, looks
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Speaker 1: way just for a few moments to check on her
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Speaker 1: other children in one of the bowling lanes. When English
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Speaker 1: turns back around, Tica is gone. English looks around and
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Speaker 1: between the other games, then runs to the nearby ladies
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Speaker 1: room to check there no Tica. Just six feet away
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Speaker 1: from the arcade where Tica was playing is a side
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Speaker 1: door to the Mowling Alley. Teresa English runs through the
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Speaker 1: door and into the parking lot, screaming her daughter's name,
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Speaker 1: where is Tica? Oh? Miss English? Miss English? Miss English.
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Speaker 1: You know I can hear that one hundred times and
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Speaker 1: every time it's just so upseting. Tell me when you
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Speaker 1: first notice Miss English that Tica wasn't what was happening.
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Speaker 1: I was freaked out, you know, um me having four
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Speaker 1: other kids and Tica was my everything, you know, from
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Speaker 1: day one, from the day I had her, she was
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Speaker 1: my everything. I freaked out, you know you. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I was at a padding. I looked over you in
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Speaker 1: the video games. She was gone. I told her. I
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Speaker 1: told everybody in the group, I said, Tika's not here,
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Speaker 1: Tika's gone. You know where is she? And what were
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Speaker 1: you doing? Were you bowling? Were you watching somebody bowl?
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Speaker 1: What happened when you turned around? What made you realize
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Speaker 1: she wasn't there? I went to bowl. It was my
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Speaker 1: turn to Bull. So I went to Bull and Tica
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Speaker 1: was there because you know, I had just seen her,
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Speaker 1: and I told her, I'm gonna go Bull. I'll be
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Speaker 1: right back. And so I went to go Bull. I
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Speaker 1: turned around, and it took that quick for her to
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Speaker 1: be gone. It was just like within a couple of seconds.
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Speaker 1: Because I went to boy, I didn't change I didn't
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Speaker 1: check my score. I turned around, you know, if she
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Speaker 1: was gone that quick. Joining me right now is doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold. She's around psychiatrists joining us out of the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction and you can find her at angela Arnold
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Speaker 1: MD dot com. Doctor Angie, I have to tell you something.
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Speaker 1: Hearing Teresa English talk, yes and listen. You know I
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Speaker 1: will jump on a mom in a New York minute
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Speaker 1: if I think they have anything to do something that
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Speaker 1: happened to their child. You know that when I hear
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Speaker 1: Teresa English talk, it literally is giving me chill bumps
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Speaker 1: because it reminds me of the day I was in
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Speaker 1: the Babies or Us, you know, that big warehouse thing
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Speaker 1: looking for organic suntan leisure And I was down on
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Speaker 1: the very bottom level that was really tall shelf like
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Speaker 1: they do it lows maybe or home depot, and I
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Speaker 1: was all the way down there. John David Lucy were
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Speaker 1: right behind me, and I was digging around trying to
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Speaker 1: find it, and I couldn't find it. I stood up
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Speaker 1: and I was looking up and down. I said, well,
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Speaker 1: I guess that I'll have it, and I turned around
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Speaker 1: it there was Lucy, no John David, and that feeling.
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Speaker 1: It's just it's awful. I will never forget it as
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Speaker 1: long as I live. And I really am angry that
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Speaker 1: people have been blaming Miss English. She went up to
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Speaker 1: bowl she turns around and Tika's gone. She immediately sounds
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Speaker 1: the along. Can you imagine running into the ladies bathroom
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Speaker 1: run think, oh, she's going to be in there, and
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Speaker 1: you and calm down, this is gonna be okay. You
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Speaker 1: go in there, she's not there, and then you can
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Speaker 1: feel it rising in your chest. I'm really angry with
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Speaker 1: people blaming miss English all this time, you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I think that the people who have the audacity to
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Speaker 1: blame the mother have never been They must not be
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Speaker 1: mothers themselves, because I think that practically every mother has
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Speaker 1: turned their back for a minute and their children have
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Speaker 1: gone missing. And I have felt that panic. I was
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Speaker 1: at Linux Mall one time, turned around in jim Boree
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Speaker 1: and my two little babies were gone. I almost had
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Speaker 1: the whole mall locked down, and then some woman comes
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Speaker 1: walking down the thing, down the sidewalk or whatever you
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Speaker 1: want to call it, and she had my children and
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Speaker 1: she goes they were watching TV at Pottery Barn, and
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Speaker 1: I was fine, dear lord, and that's half way to
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Speaker 1: them all. I'll make this quick, but I just have
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Speaker 1: to tell you one more thing. I was out in
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Speaker 1: Arizona covering the Jody Arias Trial and the three of
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Speaker 1: us were staying in a hotel and I had had
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Speaker 1: the twins out at the pool. We were coming in
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Speaker 1: and we all got on the elevator. I pushed John
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Speaker 1: David in. I said, Lucy, come on. Lucy just froze.
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Speaker 1: The elevator closed. I tried to get her. I came
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Speaker 1: immediately back down. As soon as I started pushing all
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Speaker 1: the buttons, she was gone. Oh my gosh. She got
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Speaker 1: on another elevator and I was running up and down
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Speaker 1: all through China. Can you imagine some perv had grabbed
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Speaker 1: her on another floor. I would never have found her.
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Speaker 1: I found her. But my point is, in that moment,
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Speaker 1: in that split second, you can lose your child through
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Speaker 1: no wrongdoing of your own. Joining me right now, in
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Speaker 1: addition to Teresa English, just as Tica's mother, is a
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Speaker 1: very well known crime reporter Olivia La Voie joining us
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Speaker 1: from Q thirteen Fox Seattle. Olivia tell me about this
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Speaker 1: bowling alley where Tica goes missing. But the bowling alley
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Speaker 1: is no longer there, but at the time it was
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Speaker 1: incredibly popular, and especially on a Saturday night, and at
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Speaker 1: the time that Tica went missing, around ten pm, it
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Speaker 1: was very crowded, and I think that that contributed to
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Speaker 1: the chaos of that night. I mean, on one hand,
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Speaker 1: you might think, oh, the more people the better, because
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Speaker 1: that means there's more witnesses, But in this case, it
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Speaker 1: seems to have been detrimental. You know, there's reports that
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Speaker 1: it was so loud in the bowling alley that when
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Speaker 1: the manager initially went on the loudspeaker to announce that
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Speaker 1: Tica was missing, that it was difficult to hear. It
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Speaker 1: seemed like, you know, people weren't stopping in their tracks
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Speaker 1: and listening per se. So yes, very very crowded that night,
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Speaker 1: in particular, Oh Olivia voice. Just hearing that makes my
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Speaker 1: skin crawl because seems like everything was going wrong. Time
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace too. Teresa English, This is Tika's mother,
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Speaker 1: and please go to her go fund me help pay
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Speaker 1: for a private investigator and they need one desperately, Miss English.
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Speaker 1: Show you run to the bathroom looking for Tica, and
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Speaker 1: what happens. My sister in law's sister was in there
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Speaker 1: and I asked her, I said, is Tika there? And
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Speaker 1: she was like no, and I said, she's gone. She's
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Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. So I went up to the
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Speaker 1: announcer and I said, and there was an off duty
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Speaker 1: officer there and he was supposed to be patrolling the grounds,
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Speaker 1: but he wasn't. He was watching everybody bowl. And I
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Speaker 1: told him, I said, my daughter's gone. And he said,
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Speaker 1: are you sure? And I said yes. We searched everywhere, everywhere,
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Speaker 1: and I said, we need help. I need my daughter.
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Speaker 1: And he told everybody to look for a child underneath
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Speaker 1: the she might have fell asleep. I said, she didn't
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Speaker 1: fall asleep, she's nowhere. We searched everywhere already. I said,
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Speaker 1: we need back up. You guys need to bring more
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Speaker 1: law enforce over here. I mean my baby. My baby's gone.
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Speaker 1: So like twenty thirty minutes later, that's when the first
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Speaker 1: officer came in. My baby was long gone by then,
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Speaker 1: and I told him, you guys took too long. It's
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Speaker 1: too long of a wait. Guys, I want you to
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Speaker 1: hear our friends at crime on one Tyler, could you
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Speaker 1: please play our cut zero zero B as in brother
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Speaker 1: Teresa English realizes she needs help and grabs an off
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Speaker 1: duty to come a police officer working for the bowling alley.
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Speaker 1: After another search that to come a police the FBI
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Speaker 1: and the National Center for Missing Unexploited Children are called in.
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Speaker 1: Throughout the night, hundreds of officers search the woods and
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Speaker 1: go door to door in a nearby residential neighborhood with
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Speaker 1: concerns of a family abduction. Relatives are questioned. Teresa English
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Speaker 1: voluntarily submits to two polygraph exams. Tika's father has an
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Speaker 1: ironclad alibi. The parents are cleared. More than two dozen
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Speaker 1: detectives are working on Tika's case full time. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. We had gone to that Bowling Alley
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Speaker 1: plenty of times, and that was kind of an area
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Speaker 1: where people would kind of just come there with their
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Speaker 1: families and kids can kind of roam. Saturday night, January
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Speaker 1: twenty third, nineteen ninety nine, New Frontiers Bowling Alley was
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Speaker 1: filled with people who had become part of a nightmare.
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Speaker 1: One teenage boy in particular, but he had no way
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Speaker 1: of knowing that. Then I had to use the restroom,
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Speaker 1: so I went towards where the restrooms, where this rude
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Speaker 1: guy bumped into me with this little girl. And since
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Speaker 1: he was white and Tika was mixed, or you know,
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Speaker 1: the little girl was mixed, I just thought it was
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Speaker 1: the father just rushing his daughter to the bathroom. The
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Speaker 1: night went on as usual. When the team and his
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Speaker 1: family went to leave, they noticed police were searching for something,
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Speaker 1: but they wouldn't know what or rather who, until days later.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend Olivia will Avoye thirteen Fox. Olivia
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Speaker 1: tell me about the sighting of a white male rushing
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Speaker 1: by holding the hand of a little girl. I think
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Speaker 1: that this witness sighting is absolutely key to the case
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Speaker 1: that witness. I interviewed him twenty one years later. He's
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Speaker 1: now an adult man, and you can tell how much
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Speaker 1: what he saw that night has stuck with him because
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Speaker 1: a few days after he bumps into this man. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's a distinct memory for him because he said it
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Speaker 1: was so jarring for him as a teenager to have
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Speaker 1: this adult man bump into him and not acknowledge it
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Speaker 1: and just you know, keep going. And also the man
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Speaker 1: had deep pock marks on his face. The teenage boy
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Speaker 1: he had never seen anything like that, so that really
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Speaker 1: stood out to him. And then three days later he
21:59
Speaker 1: see he's take his face all over the news and
22:03
Speaker 1: he says, that's that's the little girl that was with
22:06
Speaker 1: themand the rude man that night. And he immediately his
22:11
Speaker 1: family immediately alerted police. Police did speak with him one
22:17
Speaker 1: back then in nineteen ninety nine, but that was that
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Speaker 1: was it. Um. It took you know, over twenty years
22:25
Speaker 1: for this tip to be unearthed by a cold case
22:29
Speaker 1: detective who zeroed in on it and felt like, you know,
22:32
Speaker 1: this is this is truly important. People really need to
22:36
Speaker 1: hear this suspect description. Tyler. I'd like for everyone to
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Speaker 1: hear our cut zero two. This is Olivia Levoy's Q
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Speaker 1: thirteen thoughts. Listen. The little girl he saw that night
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Speaker 1: when he came face to face with the rude man
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Speaker 1: was Tita Lewis. The two year old who was at
22:56
Speaker 1: the bowling alley was a dozen family members when in
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Speaker 1: an instant she vanished, I had to say something, so
23:03
Speaker 1: he did. He was interviewed by detectives in January nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety nine, but then nothing, No one contacted me. I
23:11
Speaker 1: was easy to find. Maybe what I had to say
23:14
Speaker 1: just wasn't relevant or it wasn't useful. Flash forward two decades.
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Speaker 1: Someone did think what he had to say was most
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Speaker 1: definitely relevant and useful. The cold case investigator who picked
23:26
Speaker 1: through thousands of pages and hundreds of tips when he
23:30
Speaker 1: spotted the one that leaped off the page. This witness
23:34
Speaker 1: actually describes a type of encounter with Tika by this individual,
23:43
Speaker 1: and the description of the individual is not generic. It's
23:47
Speaker 1: it's specific, and it's and it's in details. It is
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Speaker 1: a very detailed Now listen to our cut zero seven. Listen.
23:55
Speaker 1: At that time, there would have been no way for
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Speaker 1: the collar to a man with a pockmarked had been
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Speaker 1: mentioned in the first few days of the investigation. The
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Speaker 1: individual that we're trying to identify is a white male
24:07
Speaker 1: five foot eleven with a husky build. He is described
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Speaker 1: as having a shoulder length brown, curly or wavy hair,
24:17
Speaker 1: with a thick mustache and a heavily pockmarked face. The
24:24
Speaker 1: night of Tika's disappearance, he was wearing a blue flannel
24:27
Speaker 1: shirt and faded jeans. His motivation to solve this case
24:32
Speaker 1: is simple Tika's mother. It really makes it easy to
24:38
Speaker 1: try to keep the case alive for her and to
24:41
Speaker 1: try to find her some answers. She has never given
24:46
Speaker 1: up on her daughter, finding her daughter, and I really
24:51
Speaker 1: admire that he's not going to stop looking until we
24:54
Speaker 1: find him. And she is with us today. Torsa English
24:58
Speaker 1: she says, Tika's mother has never were given up, and
25:01
Speaker 1: now you know more than ever why they need a
25:04
Speaker 1: private eye on this case. You can go to go
25:07
Speaker 1: fund me help pay for a private investigator. This mother,
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Speaker 1: Teresa English, is still trying to find her girl. Think
25:15
Speaker 1: about it. Would you give up? I wouldn't. I would
25:18
Speaker 1: never give up, and neither has she. Back to Olivia
25:22
Speaker 1: Lavoy's crime reporter QTE thirteen Fox joining us out of Seattle, Olivia,
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Speaker 1: I hear the reporter stating that a car called in
25:33
Speaker 1: about a white male with pot marks on his face.
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Speaker 1: Who was the caller? So the caller was a woman
25:41
Speaker 1: who was at the Bowling Alley about a week or
25:44
Speaker 1: so after Tika's disappearance. I think it was actually less
25:48
Speaker 1: than that, just a matter of days, and America's Most
25:52
Speaker 1: Wanted was at the Bowling Alley shooting a reenactment of
25:56
Speaker 1: the case to feature the case, and this woman that
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Speaker 1: a man with a heavily poxmarked face was hanging around
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Speaker 1: the news crew, and she felt, you know, I mean,
26:08
Speaker 1: it's not unusual that if america is Most Wanted is
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Speaker 1: in your town filming something that you know, you might
26:15
Speaker 1: hang around and watch. But this individual's behavior was so
26:21
Speaker 1: odd to her that she called the Tacoma Police Department
26:25
Speaker 1: to say, hey, you guys should check this guy out.
26:28
Speaker 1: Here's this description. Something was off with him, just the
26:32
Speaker 1: way he was sort of lurking. And in the description
26:37
Speaker 1: she notes that he has a heavily pockmark face. And
26:41
Speaker 1: the detective, the cold case detective who connected these tips, said,
26:45
Speaker 1: there's no way that's a coincidence. There's no way that
26:48
Speaker 1: woman could have known that we had another witness see
26:51
Speaker 1: a man with pockmark face with pica that night. Okay,
26:56
Speaker 1: a lot of things crashing in my head right now,
26:58
Speaker 1: but one thing that tells me to and Scott, former
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Speaker 1: La County Sheriff sergeant twenty six years SVU is that
27:05
Speaker 1: this guy is local. It's not that he was coming
27:08
Speaker 1: through the interstate that night, maybe a trucker or maybe
27:11
Speaker 1: a visitor. He's local because he's still in town a
27:15
Speaker 1: week later, when America's must wanted shows up at the
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Speaker 1: Bowling Alley to do a regonact, he's still there. This
27:22
Speaker 1: guy is local. I agree completely, and it's a tragedy
27:28
Speaker 1: that they did not the police did not pick up
27:30
Speaker 1: on this. I mean, I hate to bash anybody in
27:33
Speaker 1: second guess him. But there were opportunities to put that
27:39
Speaker 1: description out to the public. That information needs to be
27:43
Speaker 1: out immediately. They did call the FBI, which is what
27:47
Speaker 1: they should have done, and they got the assistance because
27:50
Speaker 1: the FBI is excellent at this type of crime. But
27:55
Speaker 1: how they missed that, I have no idea if they
28:00
Speaker 1: have got that unique description out of the public. I
28:04
Speaker 1: agree he is probably a local, or was, at least
28:07
Speaker 1: at the time time stories with Nancy Grace back to
28:24
Speaker 1: Teresa English, just as Tica's mother. Teresa again, thank you
28:28
Speaker 1: so much. Sometimes I hate to ask to speak to
28:31
Speaker 1: you because I don't want to dredge everything back up again,
28:35
Speaker 1: But yet I feel we have to. What do you
28:38
Speaker 1: make of these reports of the white male with pot marks?
28:42
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, You've got a white male with
28:46
Speaker 1: pot marks seeing that night, plowing through a crowd dragging
28:52
Speaker 1: a little girl that matches Tica's description by the hand.
28:57
Speaker 1: Then you see this guy, this freaky dude, a white
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Speaker 1: male with pop marks, showing up at the re enact
29:04
Speaker 1: with America's most woman back at the bowling Alley. You
29:08
Speaker 1: don't know how mad I was when I found out
29:10
Speaker 1: this information. I was living, you know, knowing that this
29:15
Speaker 1: young teenager came up to you know, called three days
29:19
Speaker 1: later and said that he's seen who took Tica and
29:22
Speaker 1: they did nothing about this nothing. I want to follow
29:26
Speaker 1: up on what we're talking about. I guess you've all
29:29
Speaker 1: heard of the missing and murdered Atlanta children, the Wayne
29:35
Speaker 1: Williams case. The guy that brought me under his wing
29:41
Speaker 1: when I joined the District Attorney's office was ahead of
29:43
Speaker 1: the appeals division and he had worked on the Wayne
29:48
Speaker 1: Williams case. My boss, mister Slayton, had tried the case
29:52
Speaker 1: along with others. And one of the facts and let
29:56
Speaker 1: me throw this out to you Del Carson and doctor
29:59
Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, is that Wayne Williams the murderer. I think
30:03
Speaker 1: of most of the missing and murdered young men, they
30:08
Speaker 1: ranged in ages from like ten and eleven up to
30:11
Speaker 1: twenty one. He fancied himself to be a freelance reporter,
30:16
Speaker 1: and before anybody else would know about the missing child
30:21
Speaker 1: or the body discovered, he would show up. It could
30:24
Speaker 1: be three o'clock in the morning, could be six o'clock
30:26
Speaker 1: in one and Wayne Williams would show up with a camera.
30:29
Speaker 1: How the hey did he know, well, of course he
30:33
Speaker 1: was the perpetrator. Well, yeah, the murtrator. And that's the
30:35
Speaker 1: fact that a lot of people are saying, oh, way,
30:37
Speaker 1: Williams didn't do it. He did it. Now, I don't
30:40
Speaker 1: know if you did all of it, because once he
30:42
Speaker 1: was convicted on some of them, a lot of other
30:44
Speaker 1: murders were chalked up to him with similar emos. But
30:48
Speaker 1: my point here is that people often return to the scene,
30:52
Speaker 1: and there he was showing up with all the cops
30:55
Speaker 1: with impunity because he had a handheld camera. And now
30:59
Speaker 1: this shows back up at the Bowling alleysiding in plane fight. Nancy,
31:05
Speaker 1: Why did they come back to the scene, Remember how
31:07
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson, We'll go back to San Francisco Bay and
31:10
Speaker 1: look out on the water. I guess it was. Why
31:12
Speaker 1: do I see him? Lacy was going to pop up. Well,
31:14
Speaker 1: it's pleasure that drives them back. They want to enjoy
31:19
Speaker 1: the results of their behavior. And more than that, we've
31:23
Speaker 1: learned from this. The Bureau has learned from this since
31:26
Speaker 1: the Wayne william case, in which I was directly involved.
31:29
Speaker 1: Get back in Atlanta and I will simply tell you
31:32
Speaker 1: that we now film funerals and a number of other things,
31:37
Speaker 1: looking for the subject or the purp to show up again.
31:42
Speaker 1: And it's interesting in connection with the America's Most Wanted
31:45
Speaker 1: You wonder if they still have film and the cameras.
31:48
Speaker 1: That's a really good tipt to look back into the
31:52
Speaker 1: crowd to see if that individual is there. Because we understand,
31:56
Speaker 1: and the detective Sergeant Mela will tell you this, we
31:59
Speaker 1: understand that people get pleasure out of this. They want
32:02
Speaker 1: to come and see what's happening. So their pleasure is
32:06
Speaker 1: derived in part from actually witnessing the suffering of individuals
32:11
Speaker 1: whom they have injured. Oh, doctor Angela Arnold, he said
32:14
Speaker 1: it so perfectly. Can't you just see this guy coming
32:17
Speaker 1: back and just luxuriating, like bathing in the reenactments and
32:25
Speaker 1: enjoying seeing everyone there trying to solve the crime. And
32:29
Speaker 1: in Pyche he knows that he took Tika, Yes, and
32:33
Speaker 1: he got away with it. And it sounds like this
32:35
Speaker 1: man got away with so many things. And as I
32:37
Speaker 1: said a few minutes ago, living in plain sight of everyone,
32:41
Speaker 1: so many clues, so many clues. You know, Nancy, what
32:46
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, And I know this is too little,
32:48
Speaker 1: too late. I think that some of these places should
32:51
Speaker 1: have things that identify people as they come in, and
32:55
Speaker 1: you can't just come and go willy nilly without people
32:58
Speaker 1: know when you're there. You know how they you know
33:01
Speaker 1: how at some places you have to have your arm
33:03
Speaker 1: mark so that you can't leave with someone else's child. Yes,
33:07
Speaker 1: I think some of these things need to be instituted
33:09
Speaker 1: at places like Bowling Alley. You know they have that
33:11
Speaker 1: a land go in without a child, and you know
33:16
Speaker 1: at Chucky Cheese you have to get your arm mark.
33:18
Speaker 1: Dear lord. Oh my husband, when I was doing Dancing
33:22
Speaker 1: with the Stars behind my bat would take the twist
33:25
Speaker 1: to Chuckie Cheese who lost John David every single time,
33:29
Speaker 1: like four times. And when I found out there was
33:32
Speaker 1: no more Chucky Cheese, that was it. He could not
33:35
Speaker 1: see them in a crowd. No offense to David, He's
33:38
Speaker 1: a saint, but it wasn't just that. Tyler, Let's play
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33:47
Speaker 1: years after Tika goes missing, cold case detectives for view
33:50
Speaker 1: old police reports. They focus on those involving children who
33:53
Speaker 1: had been approached by a stranger around the Bowling Alley.
33:57
Speaker 1: There had been several the year before Tica disappear. A
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Speaker 1: man reported to security that his four year old son
34:03
Speaker 1: had been assaulted in the restroom by a white man
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Speaker 1: with curly brown hair and a beard. A few weeks
34:08
Speaker 1: before Tica disappeared, the mother of a six year old
34:11
Speaker 1: boy stopped and attempted abduction of her son. The suspect
34:15
Speaker 1: also described as a white male with brown hair. And
34:18
Speaker 1: on the same day Tica went missing, there was another incident.
34:22
Speaker 1: A man had taken his two children to the park
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Speaker 1: less than a mile away from New Frontier Lanes. He
34:28
Speaker 1: saw a stranger near the bathrooms who was motioning for
34:31
Speaker 1: the two children to come to him. The father chased
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Speaker 1: the man off. He was a white male with brown
34:36
Speaker 1: hair wearing a baseball hat. He's never been identified at
34:40
Speaker 1: this close proximity to the bowling alley. That is no coincidence.
34:46
Speaker 1: I want you to hear Tica's father talking about when
34:51
Speaker 1: Tica goes missing. This is Shelby Miller k I R O. Seven.
34:56
Speaker 1: I've thought of my daughter every single day. January twenty third,
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, Robert Lewis's life changed forever. Police say
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Speaker 1: someone abducted his innocent, brown eyed baby girl from the
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Speaker 1: New Frontier Bowling Alley into Cooma. More than two decades later,
35:11
Speaker 1: Robert hasn't given up. Hope. We sit there and rewatched
35:14
Speaker 1: Blues Clues and she have her tweety bird slippers on,
35:20
Speaker 1: and that's what I remember, just my little baby. Thursday
35:24
Speaker 1: to come on. Police release new details about the investigation.
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Speaker 1: Detectives are searching for information about a white man who's
35:31
Speaker 1: thirty to forty years old, has brown, curly hair, a mustache,
35:35
Speaker 1: and pock marks on his face. They say he was
35:37
Speaker 1: seen at the Bowling Alley the night the two year
35:39
Speaker 1: old was abducted. These developments stopped Tika's father in his tracks.
35:44
Speaker 1: Put me right back to nineteen ninety nine. Got the
35:47
Speaker 1: phone call to Olivia la voice crime reporter with qute
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Speaker 1: thirteen Fox Again, Olivia, thank you for being with us.
35:53
Speaker 1: A lot of the reporting has been done by you,
35:56
Speaker 1: a lot of the investigative work. Where does the case
35:59
Speaker 1: stand right now? Olivia? You know, unfortunately there hasn't been
36:03
Speaker 1: much movement with the case, which is incredibly disappointing because
36:08
Speaker 1: when we released this new information over a year ago,
36:14
Speaker 1: now about a year and a half ago, we really
36:17
Speaker 1: thought this was going to be it. This suspect description
36:21
Speaker 1: was surely going to get investigators some very solid leads
36:25
Speaker 1: on who this suspect could be, and that just hasn't happened.
36:30
Speaker 1: So I feel it's very important to keep that suspect
36:34
Speaker 1: description out there to remind people this individual had a
36:38
Speaker 1: deeply pockmarked face. Surely someone out there has to know
36:42
Speaker 1: who we're describing. If you want to see a sketch
36:46
Speaker 1: of the suspect, please go decrimeb online dot com. Also
36:52
Speaker 1: you can see an age progressed sketch or photo of
36:58
Speaker 1: Tika to Teresa English, Miss English, I know you have
37:04
Speaker 1: other children, but there's no way to feel the empty
37:12
Speaker 1: hole of Tica missing. Tell me how you get through
37:18
Speaker 1: each day. If it wasn't from my other kids, I
37:21
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be here. You know, I have a missing
37:23
Speaker 1: piece in my heart, you know, my everything is gone,
37:28
Speaker 1: and the only thing that's going to put my heart
37:31
Speaker 1: to hold is to find out what happened to my daughter.
37:35
Speaker 1: You know, it's been twenty two years old, my daughter's
37:38
Speaker 1: about to turn twenty five, and I've been living a
37:43
Speaker 1: nightmare because I don't know what happened to my daughter,
37:46
Speaker 1: you know, And is the police really working on my
37:49
Speaker 1: daughter's case. No they're not, they're not. And all I've
37:54
Speaker 1: asked for twenty two years is what happened to Tica?
37:58
Speaker 1: Who took my baby? Who took her? Now they know,
38:03
Speaker 1: they just need to find out who this man is.
38:05
Speaker 1: They could have found her twenty two years ago. If
38:08
Speaker 1: they wouldn't listened to this witness, they would have brought
38:12
Speaker 1: him back in. This is a credible witness. This man
38:16
Speaker 1: still remembers from day one about what this man looks like.
38:22
Speaker 1: This man showed up. This should have been you know,
38:25
Speaker 1: he showed up twice at the bowling alley. They should
38:28
Speaker 1: have took that when people were coming forward saying, hey,
38:33
Speaker 1: this is the guy. We need to find out who
38:35
Speaker 1: this man is. Where is Pica? Where is she? If
38:39
Speaker 1: she's not out here? No more, we just want to
38:41
Speaker 1: find out where she's at. What did you do with her?
38:44
Speaker 1: All we want is closure, and we've been asking that
38:46
Speaker 1: for twenty two years now. All we want is closure.
38:50
Speaker 1: If you know or even think you know anything regarding
38:56
Speaker 1: the white mail brand, down hair, heavily pot marked face.
39:05
Speaker 1: If you think you know anything, please dial two five
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Speaker 1: three five nine one fifty nine fifty nine repeat two
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Speaker 1: five three five nine one fifty nine fifty nine or
39:20
Speaker 1: crime Stoppers, which is eight hundred two two two tips
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Speaker 1: eight hundred two two two eight four seven seven. Our prayers,
39:33
Speaker 1: Fatika go on, but we want justice. Nancy Grace Crime Story,
39:44
Speaker 1: signing off, Goodbye Frien