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Forged, Not Found: Reclaiming Masculine Identity. [RHR S7, EP14 feat. John Deslatte] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  So now that we've got all of the fun housekeeping stuff out of
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  the way, you listen to me ramble on about that for the last
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  couple of minutes. We're going to bring on our
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  guests for this week. We're going to be talking this
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  week about a topic that hits close to home for me and my
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  guest today. And probably and hopefully other
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  men specifically because we're going to be talking about kind
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  of the this this problem, if you will, of of the lack of
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  masculine men, right. So we're reclaiming masculine
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  men or the masculine identity. You know, Forge not found my
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  guest this week is a return guest.
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  His name is John. The lot checking in from
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  Louisiana at this point in time, I believe.
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  So we got him on the stage now. And yeah, welcome back to the
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  show, John. Thanks for reaching out and
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  wanting to be here. And thanks for.
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  Yeah, just thank you. Good to see you again.
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  Same here, Sir. Thank you.
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  So yeah, we were talking offline.
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  You're down in Louisiana, of course, I'm in Tennessee and a
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  lot of times our weather is quite often running
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  simultaneous. You know, you might be a little
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  muggier or hotter depending on the day of the week, but we're
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  kind of running side by side. We got some nice warm days, nice
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  cool nights. Holding on to that for this
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  week. I think it's probably the last
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  week we're probably going to, I don't know, it could, it has
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  gotten pretty chilly mid-april. I I I can say that.
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  I mean, down here Easter weekend usually we have a freeze, it'll
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  get warm. And then also Easter weekend we
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  have a freeze. And this is the first time in
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  all of hit head, so I've been alive that I can think of.
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  We didn't have the freeze. It's actually like this is
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  comfortable. Right, Yeah, I remember being
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  here in in the South for the last 20 some years.
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  I there was like this, there's like this rule for people when
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  they start planting certain things is they, they don't plant
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  certain things until after Easter because of risk of frost.
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  You have. Earth inside or in a greenhouse
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  that to where everything can be protected from the weather.
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  Yeah, yeah. But like wherever, whatever the
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  time of year, it is like Easter has always been that kind of
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  like Mark of like, OK, after Easter you you're you're
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  probably pretty OK with without running the.
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  Risk just gets hot as spell after Easter.
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  Yeah, of course. Now where I'm from in New York,
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  you know, I remember, I remember getting snow up into the middle
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  of April, like 6 to 8 inches. Now it's gone in like a week,
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  but it can happen. Yeah, I remember all being up
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  north in Chicago and Boston and Pennsylvania and everything.
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  Yeah, no, it's not uncommon up through sometimes beginning of
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  June to actually still have snow.
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  Yeah, well, I should. I remember going out towards
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  going across the Rockies in June and running into a snowstorm in
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  Colorado. Oh, yeah, on Colorado.
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  There's somewhere up there, Yeah.
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  Vale, Gunnison, going up toward Salt Lake.
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  Yeah, it's not a common port. In that, yeah, they have their
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  own. They have their own weather
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  system up there that just kind of does its own thing for sure.
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  Oh. Yeah.
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  But now that we've talked about the weather and how's your mom
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  and them and all that you had? Yeah.
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  Yeah. That's good.
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  That's good. Mine's dead.
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  So I guess she's good too. Yeah.
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  But I say that with love. Mom, she's good with love.
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  I say that with love. I mean, it's it is what it is.
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  She's. Hopefully everyone's ancestors
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  are. Doing she's with dad.
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  Yeah, I mean, that's that's they're together.
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  So it is good. But you had you had reached out.
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  We talk honestly like for the listeners and then stuff like
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  John and I, we, we, we, we have a pretty open line of
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  communication where we're just, you know, send the music videos
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  or we're talking about music or shit that pisses us off or
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  whatever at the time. But you had expressed an
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  interest to come back on the show and talk about something
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  that was kind of on your heart. And this is this, you know, men
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  need to be men again, kind of a thing.
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  And that's a, that's a, that's a pretty broad statement.
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  I feel like, you know what, what that means to some might not
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  mean the same thing as as others.
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  So I wanted to just kind of hit the ground running with it and
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  hear from you what, what does that mean to you?
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  And, and you know, why does it matter now to to kind of call to
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  attention where, you know, men need to be men again, What does
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  that mean to you? What does that look like to you
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  and why is it so important? Well, for the most part, men
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  need to step up and take control in a lot of ways.
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  No, I'm not saying that they need to subjugate other people.
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  However, I mean for a lack of better terms, they need to grow
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  some damn balls again and actually do what they need to
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  do. Men need to start actually
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  getting back into work. Everything this day and age is
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  for the last. I mean, throughout my lifetime,
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  they've been kicked down. They've been told they need to
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  do things that honestly has never benefited them.
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  They need to get back into trades.
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  They need to get back into actual working again where they
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  actually provide. I see enough online of here in
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  America and in Europe, mostly England where they go on off and
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  talk about, oh, they can't afford anything.
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  And it's like, well, if you got into electrical, you got into
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  plumbing, you got into everything else.
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  Warren trade, you can benefit exceptionally well off of it.
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  You can afford all the stuff that actually needs to be
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  because this day and age the bare minimum to actually make a
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  buy is look for just one person alone is literally 20 bucks an
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  hour. Honestly it's closer to 30 bucks
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  an hour. Yeah, $20.00 an hour is a wage
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  that, you know, that's bare minimum.
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  That's not for. Insurances or anything else I.
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  Mean. That's just, I worked at Home
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  Depot. I quit that job because of they
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  can't cut my hours down. I quit it last week and that's
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  because they were making, I was making $18.00 an hour but my way
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  but my hours could wage between $30.00.
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  I mean, 35A week all the way down to 12 hours a week and I'm
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  like, there's no way I can live off of this.
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  Hell no. And because of recent events in
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  the last few years, I I'm forced to live back with my parents and
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  I'm like, I'm 41. I was it's like, and, and a lot
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  of ways it's extremely degrading for anyone should have to do
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  that. And it's like no sitting around
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  calculating. And then afterwards, I've seen
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  from other sources the bare minimum is to actually be able
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  to do for a single person to get by is 30 bucks an hour.
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  So the basis of men of anyone, not just men, but anyone trying
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  to make it by the model that we have no no longer works.
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  And we have to be looking at, and like I'm saying, not just
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  men, everyone needs to be looking at further on.
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  If a man wants to provide and his woman doesn't have to go to
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  work, he's got to be making closer to 7080 hours an hour.
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  Yeah. He basically needs to have an
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  income that you know that counts for two, two people.
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  Yeah, you. Know what I mean?
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  Which this day and age even I make it 30 bucks an hour.
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  I mean, I'm I'm going back into trucking where I'll be making at
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  least 1200 a week take home after taxes.
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  But still, it's like literally that's not even cutting it on
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  the basis for two people to live upon this day and age.
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  Yeah. And I think, you know, another
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  thing to probably talk about with regards to that is you
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  know, the, the the baseline at which we're talking, right?
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  Because OK, we're talking salaries, income to live
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  comfortably, but what is comfort, right?
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  My level of comfort might be different than yours, might be
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  different from another person's, right?
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  So, you know, you start talking about can I go, man, 2530 bucks
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  an hour. And then you got this other
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  fellow over here who's like, I'm sitting pretty on 18 an hour and
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  I don't have a need in the world.
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  So is, is, is, is a wage and is the living wage and, and all of
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  these things and how we is, is that the baseline that we should
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  be measuring it up to as far as what it is to be a man these
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  days or, or is there something else?
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  Is there something more? You're right.
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  Have men lost their direction? Are, are there, is there
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  anything that happens from a boy?
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  What we're, we're talking, you know, children, young, young
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  males that are growing up into their youth, their young
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  manhood. Is there anything that we have
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  nowadays that can transition them from being a boy into a
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  man? Like a rite of passage or
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  anything 'cause I, I haven't seen it.
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  I haven't seen it in quite some time.
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  You know women have. Women are brought, yeah, women
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  are brought through. They have a they have a bylaw.
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  Women are brought through into womanhood through nature.
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  I mean, there's certain things women look forward, such as
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  marriage, childbirth, family rearing.
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  That's what program I'm I'm sorry, I don't know another term
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  to put, but that what that's what programs women to become
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  women. Well, it's in their biology.
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  I mean, when, when a, when a girl starts having her period,
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  right, like the, the menstrual cycle, like that is their, their
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  biological right of passage into womanhood.
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  What do men have? They're they're like,
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  biologically speaking, you know what I mean?
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  Like there was there were like cultures throughout history have
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  had rites of passage for boys into manhood, like to go out and
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  and be removed from their the comforts of their society to be
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  put through an ordeal, right to kind of prove themselves to
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  transition from that I'm a boy. I need help to now.
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  I'm a man and I help others kind of a thing.
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  Men are reached out through social programming.
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  I mean, then go out the their first time.
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  I mean, this has been history, their first time, their first
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  being able to grow stuff, provide for the family and the
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  community, and then the basis of what men will initiate other men
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  through usually. I mean, I hate the show, but I I
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  have to use it for an example invitees.
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  The wedding ceremony where he had to run through the gauntlet
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  of every man beating him down. And he had.
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  To win at that point, yeah, the the military did stuff like
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  that. I don't know if they still do,
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  but they used to, you know, the Marine.
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  They do, but yeah, no, it's not spoken of the same thing as
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  those drone structures are laying their hands on you.
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  No drone structures have no problem beating the livid shit
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  out of someone. Especially in the Marines.
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  Because I went from Marines and. That hazing that that you
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  basically walked down the line and.
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  More than likely in the marine boot camp it was more of you
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  screwed up. You had the everlasting frat
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  beat out of you. I got piled dried on my third
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  date by the drill instructor and that was a senior drill
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  instructor, not one of the younger ones.
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  You did. You went to the Marine Corps.
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  Yeah. And it's like, no, that's just
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  the way it is. Men learn through pain and
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  physical exertion. That's just how men learn.
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  Yeah, that's the you. Know that hazing through trial
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  by fire. Right.
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  And So what, what exists for that now?
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  Like when when you talk to me and you and you reached out and
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  you're like, you know, man, you know, men need to be men again.
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  They need to kind of become what they need to become.
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  This is like when did you first realize that something was
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  missing and how men are being shaped today?
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  Like what was, what was the moment that you saw that big
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  problem that you wanted to? Honestly, honestly goes back,
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  I'd have to say probably in my teenagehood, which is I'm 40
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  ones now, so let's just say 25, let's say 30 years ago.
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  Yeah, yeah, I grew up. I mean, I read books that
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  honestly, that whole thing of your reading level only dictates
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  this. I said the hell of that.
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  I started reading every book I could get a hold of that they
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  said was out of my league because I was just more of F
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  you. I was rebellious against him on
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  that. And the first book I ever read
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  was crap. What was that?
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  Animal Farm? My second book in 7th grade I
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  read was War and Peace. Do you remember how old you were
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  when you first read Animal Farm? Yeah, I was in 6th grade.
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  That was damn near right around that age.
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  I mean, we're talking like 12-13, something like that
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  maybe. Yeah, yeah, between 12 and 14
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  and then I went off and read a Las Mohicans.
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  Then I read Clockwork Orange and I read them because they told me
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  this was beyond your level to what you should read.
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  And I was like, after you. I'm going to read them anyway.
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  Yeah, you can't tell me what I'm going to read.
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  I, I, I look at words and I can put sentences together.
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  I'll read what I damn well want to read.
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  Yeah, I don't know if you remember that like dedicated
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  reading for your grade level of reading and everything graph
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  that went on in the 90s. But it was like.
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  Yeah, Oh the hell of that crap. I'm like, no, I'm reading all
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  this stuff you don't want me to read.
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  Why? Because I always want me to read
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  it so. I was first of all, like when I
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  was a kid in like, like kindergarten, you know, I was, I
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  was the kid who could read before all the other children in
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  my class knew how. And so that was like the start
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  for me to pick up books because we didn't have Internet, we
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  didn't have tablets, we didn't have all this digital media to
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  consume, you know what I mean? Television time was limited.
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  So all of the all of the information that we received,
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  imagine our generation, right, was through through books.
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  And I remember, you know, I was in like my sister and I were
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  four years apart. So, you know, I was, I was in
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  like the between the 4th and 6th grade, you know, So again, that
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  like 10 to 14 age bracket. And she's four years my, my
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  junior and I'm picking up the books.
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  I'm, I'm picking up Tolkien. I'm reading The Hobbit to her
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  out loud. I'm reading Lord of the Rings.
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  I'm reading Bram Stoker's Dracula.
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  I'm reading Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
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  I'm reading Jules Verne a journey to the center of the
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  earth. I'm reading these stories and,
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  and stuff, which you know, for by and large, like one would say
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  like, well, that's a bit out of your league to read.
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  They're not going to understand all those things.
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  I don't, but I, I, I loved it. I, I love those, those stories,
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  you know what I mean? And, and my sister did too.
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  She, she was hearing it through me speaking it.
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  But those, you know, they, they, they had a, they had something
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  to teach, you know what I mean? Like Frankenstein for example,
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  or the understanding what the monster was in being as reject,
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  you know, reject. Yeah, and Frank and the Monster.
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  Frankenstein was literally just a victim of the times.
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  Of the times, right you know, he was what his creator made him to
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  be and he was hated for it not by his design but just because
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  he was such a you know, he was rejected because everybody else
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  had this idea of what it was supposed to be and.
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  Yeah, he, he was a freak, right? And, you know, like, I think of
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  what like, so talk me through a bit, if you will, you know,
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  'cause you have this, you have this idea of this opinion that
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  there's, there's, there's either no or less formation of what it
• 23:02
  means to be a man, you know, coming into manhood and being
• 23:05
  defined through hardship and all this.
• 23:07
  What was it like for you in your youth, your childhood, your
• 23:11
  youth coming into manhood? What were some of the things
• 23:14
  that you think defined your transition into into manhood?
• 23:19
  Some of those rites of passage, some of those key moments that
• 23:24
  really put your put you to the test?
• 23:27
  Because I have some, but I wanted to ask you if you had
• 23:30
  some that you would be willing to share.
• 23:33
  Well, honestly, growing up, I honestly can't picture anything
• 23:38
  that did. I mean, I, I was raised
• 23:40
  Catholic. I went and did the what the hell
• 23:45
  do you call it, what they consider the trial on a manhood
• 23:49
  where you pick up your beliefs and go with it.
• 23:56
  I'm not familiar with the. Is it like a?
• 23:58
  Yeah, I can't remember the damn term.
• 24:00
  Confirmation, not confirmation. Yes.
• 24:03
  Yeah. Is it confirmation?
• 24:05
  OK, thank you on that. But still, it's just like, oh,
• 24:11
  remember these lines, remember those and you're good.
• 24:14
  And it's kind of like besides my father taking me out hunting
• 24:21
  every winter, multiple times in winter, and honestly, I'd have
• 24:29
  to say me fighting everyone in school every day, like 3 fights
• 24:32
  a day with people, I can't think of anything.
• 24:35
  And even then all that was just hollow because it's like wow,
• 24:40
  you just remember these lines and oh, you're good to go.
• 24:44
  And it's just like, like I said, everything was just hollow.
• 24:48
  And it's like that's a big thing that we in western society,
• 24:53
  especially American Society. I can't speak for Europe and I'm
• 24:56
  not going to, but for us here in America, there is no passage in
• 25:03
  the manhood. And people could blame whatever
• 25:07
  political, religious jargon on that all they want, but truth is
• 25:13
  we don't have anything here. And, and and that's what to the
• 25:18
  society to do that, not a government mandate, which we
• 25:22
  wouldn't want it as a government mandate in the first place.
• 25:24
  No, no, yeah, it's it's on the responsibility of the the people
• 25:28
  who are raising these, the the youth, you know what I mean?
• 25:34
  The mentors like strong male mentorship.
• 25:39
  Is it? It seems like it's a dying
• 25:41
  breed. Yeah, it is.
• 25:44
  You know what I mean? Like there's, you know, what's
• 25:47
  like you talk about, you know, these hollow requirements.
• 25:50
  Ah, just recite this prayer, learn this credo, whatever mean,
• 25:54
  like it's, it's empty. There's no, there's nothing that
• 25:57
  you're going to get out of it if you do it.
• 25:58
  So what's the initiation? What's or what's the initiative,
• 26:02
  right? Why should I learn all this if
• 26:03
  I'm not getting anything out of it?
• 26:05
  So, and I feel like, I don't know about you, but I feel like
• 26:10
  our generation was probably the last one to cultivate any sense
• 26:18
  of hardship and learning through hardship because most of
• 26:23
  everything in the last 20 years or more has been formulated
• 26:28
  around comfort, making it easy. You know what I mean?
• 26:32
  Like this, this passive, just getting by and not contributing
• 26:36
  anything to earn it for men. And you know, I'm saying, and
• 26:41
  this is the theme of the podcast, right?
• 26:42
  So for folks that, you know, listen or whatever, you know,
• 26:45
  I'm, I'm pretty diverse with, with crowds and and identity and
• 26:49
  all that. But we're talking specifically
• 26:51
  about, you know, masculinity and, and how what it meant and
• 26:56
  what it still means to be a strong and how that how that has
• 27:00
  been misconstrued into, you know, toxicity, You know, are
• 27:06
  men actually weaker now or are they just untested?
• 27:09
  Do they have that potential in them and they just haven't been
• 27:14
  pushed to the levels of being bringing that, bringing that
• 27:18
  out? You know, I think that's, I
• 27:20
  think that's really the case, you know, because I, I, I asked
• 27:23
  you about your, you know, past and, and if there was any
• 27:26
  moments in time of, you know, there were, there was, there
• 27:30
  were some in mine that, you know, I made a joke about this
• 27:34
  one time because I used to work or used to help out on a, on a
• 27:40
  farm in, in my youth. And then we raised beef cattle.
• 27:45
  So three days a week, I was out there before the sun came up to
• 27:52
  muck out their stalls, give them new feed, make sure they were
• 27:56
  watered right, and do all the things that a farm hand needed
• 27:59
  to do on a beef cattle farm. And I made a joke, like, years
• 28:05
  ago. I'm like, yeah, it was something
• 28:07
  along the lines of, you know, some of you haven't had to
• 28:12
  shovel cow shit in -20° temperatures.
• 28:18
  And it shows like and it shows. Like that that.
• 28:21
  That type of work is not rewarding in the sense of you
• 28:26
  get anything out of it in the moment, but it's rewarding
• 28:29
  because you are facing brutal temperatures, it's cold, it's
• 28:34
  uncomfortable, you hurt when you're out there working.
• 28:41
  That's been life that's here with your arms inside the OA
• 28:46
  birth canal of a cow slipping A calf around inside so then it
• 28:51
  don't end up getting, no, it don't end up getting its neck
• 28:54
  pops coming out. Oh, you've done that.
• 28:57
  You've been elbow deep in in a cow.
• 28:59
  Yeah, yeah. No, I I don't suggest that to
• 29:03
  anyone, but it's something that needs to be done.
• 29:06
  I've watched that, I've watched it happen.
• 29:08
  I was a kid, man. And I, you know, 'cause we had
• 29:10
  steers. So they were all castrated
• 29:12
  bulls, obviously, but I've been on a dairy farm and I saw a cow
• 29:17
  giving birth and farmer had to come out there and just reach up
• 29:25
  in there and help nature take. I'm like, you don't talk about
• 29:30
  being like traumatized, whatever.
• 29:33
  Seeing that, yeah, I did that when I was.
• 29:35
  Talking to 7. Years old.
• 29:36
  I did that when I was 12 or 13 years old.
• 29:38
  Yeah, I don't suggest it to anyone, but that's not a thing
• 29:41
  of you get a choice to it's someone has to do it because if
• 29:45
  not, both the calf and the cow can die, right?
• 29:50
  Yeah. So it's it's a thing of, yeah,
• 29:53
  just get in there and do it. But also, I'd have to say
• 29:58
  probably I had a little better point of a test of manhood to
• 30:02
  actually transition on the basis of I'm an Eagle Scout, so I had
• 30:06
  to do the Eagle project. And now there's the thing, you
• 30:11
  know, and, and I might, I might be reaching into an area that
• 30:17
  might piss some of the listeners off.
• 30:19
  I don't know. But like when it came to the
• 30:21
  scouts, right, that Boy Scouts, Eagle Scouts, these were four
• 30:26
  young men, you know, boys, young men, right?
• 30:30
  And then what, what happened with the, the Boy Scouts of
• 30:33
  America? They start, you know, changing
• 30:36
  the the rules and and stuff to allow.
• 30:40
  How do I put it to where it's actually audience friendly?
• 30:43
  I mean the terminology. Biological, biological males it
• 30:47
  the, the terms become muddled and this is where I'm this is
• 30:52
  this is part of the of the show where I'm like, let's avoid the
• 30:54
  abstract titles, right? What is a man and how do you
• 30:58
  define what a man is? Let's focus on traits that are
• 31:03
  tied to action, their behaviors, the biology, all of that, right?
• 31:07
  Like what is a man? You can't, you can't appeal to
• 31:13
  the to the I don't want to get political.
• 31:17
  You know, you can't, you can't appeal to the liberals with
• 31:19
  this. It's it's, it is what it is.
• 31:21
  They are who they are and your identity, as valid as that might
• 31:25
  be, nature is what nature is. Biology is what biology is too.
• 31:30
  And you know, I'm not here to I'm not here to contest that.
• 31:34
  I'm just saying like I'm. Trying to come up with
• 31:35
  terminology that isn't offensive to younger viewers because there
• 31:43
  are people that listen to those that have their kids listening.
• 31:45
  And I don't want to say something that, and I know last
• 31:50
  time I went back and listened to it, I'm like, I should not have
• 31:52
  used that term. I should have changed it for
• 31:56
  something else. And I understand that because
• 31:59
  people have kids. So I'm trying to come up with
• 32:01
  terms that are conducive to other people listening to
• 32:06
  something that their kids could actually hopefully get something
• 32:12
  from, not just, oh, we can't let them listen to this because of
• 32:16
  the language involved. Sure.
• 32:18
  So that's kind of my thing is I'm trying to search for
• 32:21
  terminology. But let's put it this way, my
• 32:27
  family has never, I mean, put it this way, my, I was raised on
• 32:32
  lethal weapon to die hard. My family had no problem.
• 32:38
  My parents had no problem showing us stuff.
• 32:41
  As I got older and age, we watched stuff like 8mm when I
• 32:46
  was in my mid teens. Pulp Fiction, which if you
• 32:50
  remember when Pulp Fiction came out, what that was like, no one
• 32:53
  had ever seen anything like that.
• 32:54
  It was extremely strong from the time it came out.
• 32:58
  Yeah, we were talking about that here the other day, about the
• 33:01
  way movie ratings were back then.
• 33:03
  You know, like what was PG then is not PG now.
• 33:07
  And and. Actually, and a lot of times
• 33:09
  it's kind of reverse. It's kind of like what was PG
• 33:11
  then is well what was rated PG13 or so then is now more PG.
• 33:16
  And I've seen some stuff where it was like what would have been
• 33:20
  PGA strong PG13 then? I mean now is AG rating back
• 33:25
  then? I can't believe kids are being
• 33:27
  exposed to that type of stuff. Yeah, exactly.
• 33:29
  Oh, yeah, no. And I'm like, especially the
• 33:32
  pawn shop scene of the Pulp Fiction.
• 33:34
  I'm like, yeah, no kids. Anyone under the age of 16 does
• 33:37
  not need to watch Pulp Fiction. Yeah, I would maybe.
• 33:41
  Not it's. Certain things just don't need
• 33:44
  to enter those impressionable minds.
• 33:48
  And first of all, like everything is so accessible now.
• 33:54
  Everything is uncensored if, and you don't have to really even
• 33:58
  like, cuz back in the day, like back when we were kids, like if
• 34:00
  you wanted to, if you wanted to get something that was
• 34:02
  uncensored and raunchy, like you had to like kind of go through
• 34:06
  some moves, man. You had to kind of be sneaky
• 34:08
  about. You had to really work for it.
• 34:10
  Now it's just like the quick Google search.
• 34:13
  Or you had to know enough people to where it's like, yeah, at the
• 34:17
  age of 14, saw my first porno mag and it was a little bit
• 34:23
  late. Oh my God.
• 34:24
  It was like, Oh my God. But wow, at the same time.
• 34:26
  And I'm just like, I mean, that's complete mind blowing at
• 34:33
  that point. And at that time they didn't
• 34:36
  really, there was no filters on stuff to airbrush stuff.
• 34:40
  So it's like, yeah, you saw everything raw as it was.
• 34:43
  Right. And part of that, I still kind
• 34:45
  of wish they'd go back to it because it's like, yeah, this is
• 34:48
  reality of what the anatomy looks like.
• 34:52
  But I'm like, yeah, a 14 year old does not need to be watching
• 34:57
  porn, even though I know in the course of human history that's
• 35:00
  nothing new of 14 year olds impregnating women.
• 35:03
  And growing up in San Antonio, I saw enough 12 to 14 year old
• 35:07
  girls that was already pregnant, right?
• 35:11
  And being here in Louisiana, living in New Orleans, I saw
• 35:14
  enough of it there also so. But still, it's like there needs
• 35:19
  to be some level of decency before the transition into
• 35:25
  adulthood. When a woman transitions through
• 35:29
  her cycles, when she finally starts having that whole aspect
• 35:33
  of her life, that's her transition, even though her
• 35:36
  mentality has evolved before then by at least two years.
• 35:43
  Then it always takes longer for them to.
• 35:46
  They tend to hold on to the innocence longer and then it
• 35:51
  basically once it happens it's like, oh shit, the floodgates
• 35:54
  just opened. Yeah.
• 35:58
  Do you think that men are inherently weaker now and today,
• 36:05
  or are they just? Oh hell yeah, definitely they
• 36:08
  are. Why are honestly, it's just an
• 36:15
  American Society alone. And like I said, I'm only
• 36:18
  talking from the aspect of America.
• 36:20
  Even though I talk to I talk to more people from over in England
• 36:23
  and Germany and Italy, Poland more so than here online, but in
• 36:31
  American Society, because that's where we live around and that's
• 36:34
  the only one I'm going to try. I'm going to ice first hand
• 36:39
  accounts here in America, men are weaker.
• 36:46
  I mean, I see that talking to people online, teenage boys
• 36:54
  mature and responsible than the ones here.
• 36:59
  And a good bit of that is because we delight
• 37:05
  responsibility in our adulthood compared to what goes on in
• 37:10
  Europe. I mean hell, someone could
• 37:14
  finally drink here in Europe. It's in some places it's 16
• 37:19
  years old. 18 by law, but a lot of places don't care. 16 years
• 37:23
  old. Yeah, age of consent.
• 37:27
  I mean, you know when you drink when you already.
• 37:29
  Like, you know what I need to, Yeah, they're like, I already
• 37:32
  need to start worrying about my health.
• 37:34
  Yeah. Instead of people like me who
• 37:37
  are 41 years old and. But what do you think makes the,
• 37:43
  what do you think makes the, the benchmark of a stronger or
• 37:48
  weaker man? You know, is it, is it really
• 37:52
  that are they just biologically weaker and, and all that?
• 37:55
  Or are they just untested? Have they just not been pushed
• 37:58
  to the point of being tested? Because I'm sure you realize
• 38:05
  this, you know, the human body, the human species, right?
• 38:09
  We're capable of so much more than what we give ourselves
• 38:12
  credit for. And a lot of the times it's
• 38:14
  because we haven't been pushed to our limits.
• 38:19
  It's, you know, we think too much up here instead of acting
• 38:25
  from, from from from here, from the heart.
• 38:28
  You know what I mean? We think too much with our
• 38:29
  brains. We overthink.
• 38:30
  I can't do this. It's too scary.
• 38:32
  It's too hard. It's too this.
• 38:34
  It's too that. Well, who?
• 38:35
  What's speaking at that point? We're trying to rationalize
• 38:38
  something. Whereas that primal part of us
• 38:40
  that, that, that inherent, you know, primal energy, right?
• 38:45
  We are capable because it's built into our DNA to do it.
• 38:48
  It's our, our ancestors had to do it.
• 38:51
  So it's, it's, it's something that was passed down to us.
• 38:55
  But how is that energy and how is that gift being cultivated in
• 39:00
  modern men nowadays? How are they being proven?
• 39:03
  How are they being tested? How are they being pushed?
• 39:07
  There's, there's, there's, there's less of that going on.
• 39:09
  I think you know and. There is, oh there definitely is
• 39:13
  a majority of Gen. Z this day and age.
• 39:19
  There are more forthright and less PC and they don't really
• 39:23
  have a filter. However, majority and by the age
• 39:27
  of $20.00 in debt because they are gambling fanatics, they have
• 39:36
  no it's a mixture of everything above and honestly I don't know
• 39:54
  how to reverse that to get them back to a basis of what is.
• 39:59
  The whole thing I'd have to say is that they are seriously just
• 40:03
  lost in the forest. They can't see the forest
• 40:06
  through the trees. And yet being raised on, I mean,
• 40:12
  and our generation was also victim mentality, except they've
• 40:18
  sunk line and sinker the entire thing, the entire paragraph of
• 40:28
  victim mentality. We took it in like, OK, yeah,
• 40:31
  there's small little bites of it you got to take and everything.
• 40:34
  And we do have our issues over it, but they swallow that thing
• 40:37
  completely whole. And now they want an easy way
• 40:42
  out of it. And it's like, no, you sunk
• 40:44
  yourself into this. It it's, it's not college debt
• 40:46
  anymore. It's the full on just your
• 40:50
  gambling addiction has actually LED you into worse than it would
• 40:53
  have been if you actually went to college.
• 40:58
  Well, how do they even how do they even have the money to
• 41:00
  gamble with to begin with if they're if they're not, you know
• 41:03
  what I mean? Like where where is that even
• 41:04
  coming from? And it's, you know, the you
• 41:10
  talked about before, you know, trades and learning skills that
• 41:14
  can enhance a society, right? Like if you, if you had to come
• 41:21
  up with, you know, like your doomsday posse or whatever your
• 41:25
  tribe in in a post apocalyptic world, right, you'd want to,
• 41:29
  you'd want to have people who knew how to get clean water, how
• 41:33
  to grow edible food, how to build a structure, how to, you
• 41:37
  know what I mean? Like you'd want these people
• 41:41
  that knew how to useful. People that can actually do
• 41:43
  stuff. Resources, right, exactly how to
• 41:46
  live off the land and on all these things.
• 41:48
  So I feel like and with men, right, these are these are these
• 41:53
  would be seemingly fundamental skills that all men should know
• 41:56
  and and all men are not measured equal, right, That I don't know.
• 42:00
  The first. I don't know a lot about, you
• 42:02
  know, car mechanics. Does that make me less of a man
• 42:05
  than you? If you know more than me, Maybe
• 42:08
  not, but it's more about, you know, masculinity as a practice
• 42:13
  versus masculinity as an identity, right, because you
• 42:16
  said before, right, all these Gen.
• 42:18
  Z, you know, kids and and whatever that you know, they,
• 42:21
  they, they, they talk, they, they, they yap their job.
• 42:23
  Well, I don't give a shit what you say.
• 42:25
  All right, what can you do? Show me your work does your talk
• 42:30
  back up your or does your walk back up your talk right Can your
• 42:35
  can your ass cash the checks that your mouth writes and so.
• 42:40
  I was actually about to say the same thing.
• 42:42
  It's like, yeah, are you, is your ass writing checks your
• 42:46
  your mouth can't cash? Yeah.
• 42:49
  So, you know, if, if, if, but So what if.
• 42:52
  I don't know that much about, you know, mechanics.
• 42:55
  I can tell you, you know, what foods are edible.
• 42:58
  I can tell you when to plant certain things or how to grow
• 43:00
  certain things, or I can build a house or I can do this or that.
• 43:02
  Like there's there's things about masculinity as a practice
• 43:08
  versus it as an identity, right? And how are those, how are we as
• 43:16
  men? How are they as men, right
• 43:17
  coming into their existence being proven to because once you
• 43:24
  know, once you once you enter into that space, it's not that
• 43:28
  you're relying on other people, it's that others are now relying
• 43:31
  on you. It's a huge burden.
• 43:33
  It's a big thing to carry. And I think a lot of men get
• 43:38
  caught up in that. It's, you know, almost like a
• 43:42
  like AI don't get a break. I don't get a chance to just
• 43:47
  exist. I'm always in this head space
• 43:51
  are always in this heart space, even if you will of having to be
• 43:56
  the problem solver, be, you know, fix, fix it.
• 44:02
  And it's a lot. It's a big it's a big thing to
• 44:05
  but we're capable of it. We're we're we we kind of built
• 44:08
  it to do it. But but not every machine is
• 44:13
  built the same for the same things, right?
• 44:17
  Yeah, well, one of the big things the younger generations
• 44:22
  need to learn, and the problem is the biggest fault is our
• 44:26
  generation and previous generations are following the
• 44:30
  same thing is getting a damn screen out of their face.
• 44:34
  Yeah, yeah, because that's all there.
• 44:37
  Ever. Is I don't know any restaurant
• 44:40
  I've been to in the last five years that did not have ATV
• 44:43
  plan. And I'm like, can we go back to
• 44:46
  actually not having ATV? It's like, it'd be nice to come
• 44:49
  here and just have a dinner instead of sports or whatever on
• 44:55
  TV blaring in my ear. Yeah, I don't want to have to
• 44:58
  yell at the person across from me because of music and TV and
• 45:03
  whatever. Like it's, it's, it's not a
• 45:05
  social thing anymore. It's like consumerism, you know?
• 45:10
  It's not just that, it's. Give us your money.
• 45:13
  Can't help but there's ATV on. It's biologically,
• 45:18
  psychologically, psychologically wise, mean mentally wise AT VS
• 45:25
  on. You can't help but look at it.
• 45:27
  Yeah. And it's like, especially if you
• 45:30
  go on a date, it's like you can't help but it's like, yeah,
• 45:32
  you're both trying to fight from looking at the damn TV and
• 45:36
  there's ATV on every damn wall. And it's like, can we just go
• 45:40
  back to not having T VS everywhere?
• 45:43
  Because honestly, it'd be nice to go somewhere to where it's
• 45:45
  just like, yeah, can we just sit and talk and just live a life?
• 45:51
  Yeah, yeah. I remember the the, you know,
• 45:55
  the dining out experience when I was growing up as a kid was a
• 46:00
  treat. First of all, it was, it was not
• 46:02
  a regular thing. And then the places that you
• 46:05
  went to, even if it was busy, you know what I mean?
• 46:09
  It was there was no other, there were no external distractions
• 46:12
  going on. It was noise of the restaurant
• 46:15
  from other people having moments with their people.
• 46:18
  But there wasn't, you weren't having to compete with radio or
• 46:22
  television, you know what I mean?
• 46:25
  And. I mean Chinese restaurants, you
• 46:28
  said, just have soft classical music playing, nothing else.
• 46:34
  Yeah, I've been to some of those myself, you know.
• 46:36
  Yeah. It's like, yeah, I don't, I
• 46:38
  don't ever see that anymore. And I'm like, that used to be
• 46:41
  the norm at every Chinese restaurant ever went to.
• 46:45
  It was soft classical music playing very softly in the
• 46:48
  background where you could actually have a meal.
• 46:52
  Right. Yeah, Yeah.
• 46:57
  I miss those days, man. That was yeah, because, you
• 47:01
  know, again, like the dining out experience was it was a treat.
• 47:04
  And but eating with eating a meal with your people has become
• 47:10
  so disengaged from sharing a moment with another human being.
• 47:19
  It's like it's quick, what's convenient, you know, and then
• 47:25
  on to the to the next thing like.
• 47:28
  Yeah, I mean, I want to apply it at a restaurant the other day,
• 47:34
  and this was on Tuesday or Wednesday.
• 47:38
  I want to apply it at a restaurant and the whole time
• 47:40
  it's like every wall had ATV on it and there's just blasting
• 47:44
  nothing but sports. And I'm like.
• 47:49
  I can't it'd. Be nice because they actually
• 47:50
  had some nice decor there. It'd be like, it'd be nice just
• 47:53
  sit here and look at the decor. But it's like, regardless, I
• 47:55
  can't help but look at the TV and I don't even like sports,
• 47:59
  but you can't help but look at the TV.
• 48:02
  And it's not like you could turn away and look at it.
• 48:04
  It's like no, that wall, the next wall you look at has ATV on
• 48:08
  it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:13
  It's definitely frustrating. What do you think as far as you
• 48:18
  know, men today, maybe the youth that are, are coming into to
• 48:24
  manhood? Like what do you what, what is
• 48:27
  what does it look like for you for a man to live in a way, like
• 48:30
  maybe some daily practices that can help with the identity part
• 48:39
  of things? You know, you know, I'm a young
• 48:41
  person. I'm a young, I'm a, you know,
• 48:42
  I'm a teenager. Let's say, you know, these
• 48:44
  teenagers that are that are, you know, finishing high school or
• 48:47
  going through high school and now all of a sudden they've got
• 48:49
  to think about being a being an adult, right?
• 48:53
  So, so for those, for the boys, man, like what are some daily
• 48:57
  things that that prove to them that they are a man?
• 49:02
  You know what I mean? Like what are some things that
• 49:04
  you can think of that might cause what I think of is, you
• 49:06
  know, like you talked about really like, you know, working
• 49:09
  with your hands, you know, getting your hands dirty, like
• 49:12
  coming up with, you know, whether it's crafting, building,
• 49:17
  cultivating, you know, these are hunting, fishing, right?
• 49:21
  These are these are all tasks, I guess you could say that are
• 49:25
  kind of inherently masculine if you want it.
• 49:30
  Like, it's not to say that it's exclusively masculine, sorry,
• 49:33
  but it is definitely a masculine task to be able to build, be
• 49:38
  able to craft, be able to, you know, create shelter, create,
• 49:43
  all that sort of thing. First off, I'd have to say 45 at
• 49:50
  least 45 minutes after you get up and before you go to bed.
• 49:55
  Put the phone away for one. OK.
• 50:00
  If you can, one day a week, turn off the phone, retract from it
• 50:08
  the other day where you're just free of that crap.
• 50:12
  Just off of that social media stuff, yeah.
• 50:17
  And also a lot of people, they don't think of it, but a lot and
• 50:20
  it's not that hard to get set up and they can go on Amazon and
• 50:23
  buy 1 is a landline, landline phone.
• 50:27
  If someone really has to get a hold of you, have them get a
• 50:29
  hold of you on that. Don't sit there and Oh my phone
• 50:35
  wrong. My phone thought vibrated,
• 50:37
  whatever, go to it. For one, getting Peace of Mind
• 50:40
  is the number one thing. And I've had to go back and redo
• 50:43
  this and it's not, I mean, it's not easy retracting from it, but
• 50:48
  once you do, the benefits are far over surmountable.
• 50:58
  You do that. If anyone really needs to get a
• 51:01
  hold of you, they contact you on a landline because there are
• 51:04
  emergencies that come up. That's the number one stuff I
• 51:09
  have to say after that, honestly, I mean, I'm the less
• 51:20
  speak on this because I don't care.
• 51:21
  I'll work 60 to 80 hours a week just to make the money.
• 51:25
  But also I'm basically single right now.
• 51:30
  I'm trying to move on to better things.
• 51:31
  So I don't mind putting the the time in to where I don't have a
• 51:35
  life. If you have a home life, a wife,
• 51:41
  children, whatever, you've got to make time for them in your
• 51:46
  daily life, not just oh, once a weekend or so.
• 51:49
  No, you have to make time for that in your daily life.
• 51:52
  And that is what honestly makes you a man, how much you're
• 51:55
  willing to take care of responsibilities.
• 51:57
  And the other one is balancing that time and life.
• 52:04
  That's what makes a man and take.
• 52:06
  And the third one is taking care of all your responsibilities to
• 52:11
  where? Oh yeah, if you have to go
• 52:14
  without this stuff, you have to go without this stuff.
• 52:23
  Guess what? Suck it up, buttercup.
• 52:25
  This is what makes you a man is being able to go put this stuff
• 52:28
  down and do what you need to. This is this was enjoyment.
• 52:35
  This is and believe me, no, I've been smoking since I was 14.
• 52:38
  So I've been smoking since I was mean for oh crap, 26 years or
• 52:47
  more. 30 years, Yeah, No, you basically I'm on the basis of
• 52:55
  you'll probably these things away from me from my cold bed
• 52:58
  hands. However, it comes to time of
• 53:03
  what is the most important things to you, your family lives
• 53:07
  above anything else. Yeah, 100%.
• 53:12
  And for the vote, for the folks that are listening to the show,
• 53:14
  what John was holding up was, you know, a beer and cigarettes,
• 53:18
  vices if you will, right? Things that we enjoy, a lot of
• 53:22
  people enjoy smoking, drinking socially, right?
• 53:28
  If it becomes a thing that inhibits and threatens your
• 53:34
  ability to be a strong provider, a strong supporter, a comfort to
• 53:41
  your nearest and dearest, your inner people, even if you're
• 53:44
  even if you're just you, right, if if those substances become a,
• 53:51
  an abuse, you know what I mean? Like it's time to re evaluate.
• 53:55
  It's time to course correct, because sure, it's fine to enjoy
• 54:00
  them, but if they become this the the focal point of your
• 54:04
  life, you got to step back and go, what am I even doing here?
• 54:07
  Like what's going on, right? If you're neglecting the love
• 54:14
  and the support of what you're what you've been charged to do,
• 54:18
  what is within your stewardship as a custodian, as a caregiver,
• 54:22
  as a as a father, husband, brother, uncle, whatever, you
• 54:29
  know what I mean? It's a if that if those
• 54:35
  substances are taking priority over the real important things,
• 54:41
  then it's time to re evaluate. It's time to course correct.
• 54:45
  It's time to step back and go. What am I even doing here, you
• 54:48
  know? Yeah, don't let them be your
• 54:51
  God. Do not let them become your.
• 54:58
  What is the term I'm thinking of?
• 54:59
  Do not let them become your guiding of life in life.
• 55:05
  Yeah, don't work. Extra hours just so that you can
• 55:07
  afford a 24 pack or an extra pack or this or that, you know
• 55:11
  what I mean? Like.
• 55:12
  Well, I, I'm all for work the extra hours, so you can have
• 55:16
  that because at least then it's not cutting into your daily
• 55:20
  budget. However, don't let it cut into
• 55:23
  your family life. Do not let it cut into your
• 55:25
  life. Of I work 60 something hours a
• 55:28
  week and believe me, I, I'm used to working 12 hours a day, six
• 55:33
  days a week. Yeah, and then sometimes half
• 55:36
  days on my day off I'm used to working at.
• 55:42
  However, I don't suggest anyone doing it.
• 55:46
  However, I but I had no problem doing DoorDash on the side,
• 55:53
  doing other things on the side. We'll trade on the side for a
• 55:56
  few hours just to where I could afford.
• 55:58
  OK, I got 224 packs of beer. I got a carton of smokes that'll
• 56:03
  last me the whole week. If you got to put in a little
• 56:07
  extra work just to afford those little splurges and live pay,
• 56:14
  I'm all for that because it's not cutting into your main pay.
• 56:19
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, the like it's
• 56:24
  we've all done it. You know what I mean?
• 56:25
  Like it's, you know, if I can, if I get a little extra bump or
• 56:28
  something like that, like I'm going to, I'm going to take that
• 56:31
  as a reward, right? It's it's going.
• 56:33
  To be in your life and enjoy your victories when you have, I
• 56:36
  mean, it's like. Exactly.
• 56:38
  Yeah, a win's a win. Yeah, I mean, when me and people
• 56:43
  in New Orleans, we ended up having to go through what I'm
• 56:47
  going to call hell of actually having to violently take down
• 56:52
  people in New Orleans. Me and them would get together
• 56:55
  whenever he could, once a month, every six weeks or so, and we'd
• 56:59
  celebrate. And at the time I realized what
• 57:04
  it was, but they were not following the same beliefs.
• 57:07
  So we just viewed as a celebration of we're alive.
• 57:10
  I viewed it as it was a pre op to secret bloat because of yeah,
• 57:18
  we faced death. We went through that stuff and
• 57:21
  we're here alive and we're celebrating our time.
• 57:25
  Because of that, we are celebrating our victory.
• 57:30
  For one, we got someone who owes a complete POS put behind bars.
• 57:40
  Yeah, it goes into, you know, because, like, why do you
• 57:42
  celebrate victors, right? It's a it's, it's, it's to
• 57:45
  accumulate from evidence, confidence to then go and do
• 57:52
  things that achieve more victories, right?
• 57:54
  So it's confidence from evidence, not from affirmation,
• 57:58
  right? It's not just because, oh, good
• 58:00
  job, right. You got a little pat on your
• 58:02
  back. You tried hard.
• 58:03
  Good job, buddy. No, the evidence shows that I
• 58:07
  earned this victory and that that evidence is where
• 58:15
  confidence within men come from. We want to be recognized for our
• 58:21
  achievements, but we don't want to be handed these participation
• 58:26
  trophies and these, you know, affirmations a good job by these
• 58:30
  passing back. Listen, man, if I'm not earning
• 58:32
  it, I don't want your your little affirmation.
• 58:35
  I wanted I want my I want my victories to be shown.
• 58:38
  This is what I've done. Look, look at this, look at what
• 58:42
  I've done. Look at what has been done
• 58:44
  because that fuels our confidence to then go and
• 58:47
  perform at the same and better levels, right?
• 58:52
  When I was on 10th grade, to throw that crap on me of oh, you
• 58:55
  got second place, I was like, oh crap, great.
• 58:58
  And this was not like the state, Texas State Science Fair.
• 59:04
  They're like, he got second place.
• 59:05
  So I'm like great. And then it's like they rounded
• 59:08
  off like 7 other people that got second place and I'm like then
• 59:11
  he called my name and I'm like, I didn't even respond to it
• 59:13
  because I'm like, what the hell is this?
• 59:15
  I won second place. Yeah.
• 59:22
  And that's why no, I don't want it.
• 59:25
  But you know, it's about stacking those small wins, you
• 59:27
  know, right, versus waiting for it to just, you know, a wins, a
• 59:31
  win. And I think that's where, you
• 59:37
  know, we as men, and I'm going to I'm going to challenge you on
• 59:41
  this. Like, do you think because I
• 59:43
  don't, but I'm going to ask you, right, Do you can, can can a man
• 59:46
  think his way into confidence or does he have to earn it?
• 59:51
  You can't. You have to think your way into
• 59:53
  confidence. You have to.
• 59:55
  You need affirmation behind that, but no.
• 1:00:01
  There's been a trope going on online of how do you enter
• 1:00:05
  access? How do you get access into every
• 1:00:07
  building there is? Wear a jumpsuit, full overalls
• 1:00:14
  jumpsuit and carry a ladder and you can go in any building there
• 1:00:19
  is. You just have to have the
• 1:00:25
  confidence of I'm here because I'm supposed to be here.
• 1:00:28
  But it's like, yeah, no, people will open doors for you.
• 1:00:31
  People will do whatever. And it's true because I've done
• 1:00:33
  the same exact thing in the past.
• 1:00:34
  I whenever I was shady doing that type of stuff, it's like,
• 1:00:40
  yeah, go and scope a place out and just carry a ladder
• 1:00:42
  everywhere with you and it works.
• 1:00:45
  Hands down. It works every single time.
• 1:00:47
  The only time it does not work is in a government building.
• 1:00:51
  Yeah, with. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:00:53
  Well, I guess what I meant by that is, you know, there's
• 1:00:57
  there's ways to be crafty and that's a skill.
• 1:01:00
  I mean, there is, there is definitely, you know, a warrior
• 1:01:06
  mentality to be had when you need to infiltrate enemy lines
• 1:01:13
  and you do so through craftiness.
• 1:01:16
  That's that's a worry. But I guess what I'm saying is
• 1:01:21
  like, do you think like that, that confidence is something
• 1:01:25
  that a man can just, you know, think into being without
• 1:01:28
  actually having doing, without having done anything to earn it?
• 1:01:38
  For one, you have to have enough belief in yourself to do it.
• 1:01:42
  I mean, the first few times I ever tried doing stuff, I was
• 1:01:45
  like, I don't know about this. I mean, I wanted to complete.
• 1:01:47
  I just, I'm used to filling out like 20 applications.
• 1:01:53
  It's harder now because everything online and
• 1:01:55
  everything, they can go look stuff up, but you still do it.
• 1:01:59
  But I was used to filling out 100 applications online a week
• 1:02:04
  and just show up to jobs. And the ones that I knew they
• 1:02:09
  weren't going to hire me, I just completely bullshit them the
• 1:02:12
  entire way. I mean, majority of my bullshit
• 1:02:14
  in my way into every job I had. And I was just like, and that's
• 1:02:19
  the thing, that's charisma. That's charisma.
• 1:02:21
  That is confidence you have to have because a lot of them,
• 1:02:24
  they're like, we know this guy's bullshitting us.
• 1:02:26
  Not even nothing, but this guy has enough balls on him to do
• 1:02:30
  this. We're going to give him a shot
• 1:02:32
  in some lower level position and see how he does.
• 1:02:34
  And watching over people getting a, what the hell do you call it
• 1:02:40
  AOL? We're you're watching over a
• 1:02:44
  bunch of people telling them what to do.
• 1:02:49
  Oh, you're a overseer? I don't know a fucking.
• 1:02:53
  Yeah, not a manager, but you're yeah, I can't remember the term
• 1:02:57
  you're AOL, but yeah, no bullsit your way through the entire job.
• 1:03:03
  And usually after a week you're fired.
• 1:03:05
  But it's like, hey, in the meantime, it's like, hey, I'm a
• 1:03:07
  it's like, hey, yeah, how do we like concrete?
• 1:03:12
  Let me look it up online real quick.
• 1:03:15
  Well, there's an old saying that if you can't dazzle them with
• 1:03:18
  brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah, that was basically my whole thing.
• 1:03:23
  It was like, I'm either going to I got hired.
• 1:03:26
  So fuck it, I got to make this work.
• 1:03:27
  And it's like, yeah, I've done. I was BS and my way through
• 1:03:31
  everything. But and usually, like I said,
• 1:03:33
  after a week I was fired. But hey, I hey.
• 1:03:38
  But each of those times I learned stuff through them.
• 1:03:42
  And that was where I was going with it, right?
• 1:03:44
  What do those moments of thinking that you can do it,
• 1:03:48
  right? What does that do to your
• 1:03:49
  confidence? Does it?
• 1:03:50
  Does it? What does it do to a man's
• 1:03:52
  confidence to realize, hey, I really don't know what I'm
• 1:03:55
  doing. I'm just conning my way through
• 1:03:58
  this. So does that enhance the
• 1:04:00
  confidence of that man be being a con artist?
• 1:04:04
  Oh yeah, I think, I think it does.
• 1:04:06
  I think it does because it takes experience for anything.
• 1:04:10
  Until you have experience, you have no confidence or anything
• 1:04:13
  till then. And I'm not telling people go to
• 1:04:15
  a job and lie your way into it. I'm not telling people that
• 1:04:18
  please don't do that. But sometimes if you get the
• 1:04:22
  opportunity, you just got to run for it.
• 1:04:25
  Yeah, I'm sure like that's that's, you know, that's a valid
• 1:04:27
  observation. Like there's going to be times
• 1:04:29
  where you know you might not be the man for the job, but you can
• 1:04:33
  you can convince them that you are a.
• 1:04:35
  Supervisor of US title I was thinking of earlier.
• 1:04:38
  Supervisor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:40
  I was thinking like Superintendent, like an
• 1:04:42
  overseer. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:44
  Yeah, all within the same realm. But yeah, no supervisor, but
• 1:04:47
  yeah, no all. But how?
• 1:04:50
  But like, do you think that, like if you vote, like if you
• 1:04:53
  went through the study, if you took the courses, if you learned
• 1:04:57
  the trade, if you went through all of the work to know it, do
• 1:05:02
  you think that your confidence would be boosted stronger having
• 1:05:08
  gone through that versus having lied and conned your way through
• 1:05:13
  it? Because you don't have, you
• 1:05:14
  don't have a skill set to back up the nonsense that you've been
• 1:05:18
  pushing this whole time. You see what I mean?
• 1:05:21
  Like. Yeah, well, like the confidence.
• 1:05:24
  Comes earning it like I'm more confident in the fact that I can
• 1:05:28
  teach a rune course for nine months because I've done the
• 1:05:31
  shit for 10 years or whatever. I haven't you know what I mean?
• 1:05:34
  Like, so that's an example. Like, you know, I could bullshit
• 1:05:36
  my way through it and be like the next yeah, no charlatan and
• 1:05:40
  the carpetbagger and and snake oil salesman or whatever of the
• 1:05:43
  Pagan world if I just ran my shit through AI and and spouted
• 1:05:50
  that off, Right. Well, no, I'm confident that I
• 1:05:52
  can teach this because I have the experience.
• 1:05:54
  I've done more. Yeah, I'm thrilled.
• 1:05:56
  No, something as specific as the runes.
• 1:06:00
  I just use that as your shit. They're largely different
• 1:06:04
  because majority of people don't know what the hell they're going
• 1:06:06
  they're looking at. And you can feed people lots of
• 1:06:10
  bullshit. I mean, hell, you can read off
• 1:06:13
  the damn card off of the paper, off of what each one means.
• 1:06:18
  And it's like, OK, well, I guess this means this.
• 1:06:21
  I mean, like me, I got a gig working a for a band.
• 1:06:24
  Opening a band is for a band of San Antonio.
• 1:06:27
  I was with a punk band we're opening for DII.
• 1:06:31
  Don't know if you remember them. Oh, punk band.
• 1:06:34
  You ever seen Suburbia? You said DRI Dirty Rotten DI no
• 1:06:39
  DI Oh no. You ever seen Suburbia?
• 1:06:44
  Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:47
  Yeah, Richard hung himself. Yeah.
• 1:06:52
  Yeah, I open. I was one of the bands opening
• 1:06:55
  for them and it was this punk festival.
• 1:06:58
  It had them a TSOL headlining it which was great because I'm like
• 1:07:02
  it's suburbia 2 point O 30-40 years later.
• 1:07:06
  Right, I got this. And The thing is, is I was with
• 1:07:11
  a band that was doing Alice In Chains covers.
• 1:07:14
  Well, because of it, we only had three songs to learn.
• 1:07:17
  I never played Alice In Chains in my life, even though they're
• 1:07:20
  probably my favorite band. I had to learn them.
• 1:07:23
  Bones, I had to learn. Oh, man of the box.
• 1:07:26
  And I had to learn crap Heaven besides you.
• 1:07:34
  Oh, wow. And it's like, yeah, I sat there
• 1:07:37
  and just listen to those albums, those songs over and over and
• 1:07:41
  over again. Got online, looked up bass
• 1:07:44
  tutorials on it and just like fuck it go for it in like 4 days
• 1:07:54
  that's all you had. To learn, you had to learn the
• 1:07:56
  chords. You had to learn the because you
• 1:07:58
  were doing what? Bass.
• 1:07:59
  Yeah, and I absolutely sucked, but you've got to go for it when
• 1:08:05
  you got taught. I mean, confidence only grows
• 1:08:07
  through experience. I mean, it's like VNAO Shyster.
• 1:08:12
  I don't know if you've ever seen.
• 1:08:13
  No. What's the damn movie?
• 1:08:16
  Slumdog. Millionaire.
• 1:08:19
  Oh, Slumdog Millionaire. Hell yeah.
• 1:08:21
  Yeah, what do the kids do? They just got out there
• 1:08:23
  bullshitting their wall and saying that they're a tourist
• 1:08:26
  guide. You've got to do the same thing.
• 1:08:30
  Most of the time in life, you just opportunity arises.
• 1:08:34
  Go for it. Don't hold back.
• 1:08:35
  Don't be like, oh, I don't know if I can do that.
• 1:08:37
  I mean, last week, like I said, I went and applied for a job and
• 1:08:42
  they're like, do you have any experience in restaurants on a
• 1:08:45
  mic? No, but I could figure my damn
• 1:08:50
  way through this. And I'm like, I know how to cook
• 1:08:52
  this. I know how to cook this.
• 1:08:53
  I know how to cook this. I can talk to people.
• 1:08:55
  I've done this job. I've done that job.
• 1:08:59
  Taking orders is no big deal. I can figure this stuff out as I
• 1:09:03
  go along. I didn't get the job, but still,
• 1:09:09
  it's like, no, but I can, it's like no, give me the
• 1:09:15
  opportunity. I can do it.
• 1:09:18
  Yeah, And, and, you know, I think that's what a lot of I
• 1:09:21
  think that, you know, almost any man that I've talked to is, is
• 1:09:25
  of the same mindset. You know, I don't know, but I
• 1:09:28
  can be taught. I, you know, we'll put ourselves
• 1:09:31
  through the crucibles and, and, and all that because I think,
• 1:09:36
  and, you know, and this is my opinion.
• 1:09:37
  And I was going to ask you this. You know, do you think that men
• 1:09:41
  are shaped by resistance more so than ease, right?
• 1:09:49
  Oh yeah, no, we men have to have resistance.
• 1:09:52
  We have to have something to fight against.
• 1:09:55
  That's just men's mentality. We we're built through fire.
• 1:10:00
  Men are fire and air. Women are water and earth.
• 1:10:08
  So it's almost. Like our emotion and grounded
• 1:10:10
  men are fluid and I'm sorry to use that because I just said a
• 1:10:16
  lot men are, but men are fluid and fire.
• 1:10:21
  We go, we see something, we run straightforward.
• 1:10:24
  That's how men are. I mean, and but almost in the
• 1:10:30
  whole debate on men versus women and which is all that's a whole
• 1:10:36
  different subject to deal with which.
• 1:10:41
  But but to the point that you're saying where in we're presented
• 1:10:45
  with like, OK, so you know, you were presented with an
• 1:10:47
  opportunity, you didn't know much about it, but you still
• 1:10:51
  postured and presented yourself as like, I can do it.
• 1:10:54
  It's fine, right? We're like, we're willing to put
• 1:10:59
  ourselves in the front of challenge and resistance because
• 1:11:09
  I don't know, it's like it's like built into our DNA.
• 1:11:11
  It's built into ourselves to to be like, I can't do this now,
• 1:11:15
  but damn it, give me the chance and I'll show you that I can.
• 1:11:19
  You know what I mean? So it's that being shaped by
• 1:11:22
  resistance, by opposition. I don't want it to be easy.
• 1:11:26
  I think that's some some what has been lost in.
• 1:11:31
  The more you got to work for it, the more reward there is.
• 1:11:35
  They're, they're not, they're not willing to face that
• 1:11:37
  resistance. They're not willing to face that
• 1:11:39
  opposition. They want that, you know, I look
• 1:11:42
  a certain way, I talk a certain way.
• 1:11:45
  Therefore I deserve an outcome of a certain thing.
• 1:11:49
  Like, no, you don't have you. Have you put yourself through
• 1:11:53
  the fire? Have you, have you you know
• 1:11:55
  that's exposed to the woman from.
• 1:11:57
  Cross made at that point. You know, how many, how many,
• 1:12:01
  how many purpose driven tasks have you performed?
• 1:12:04
  Have you how, how hard have you trained?
• 1:12:06
  Have you fasted? Have you, you know, learned a
• 1:12:10
  new skill? Have you put yourself through
• 1:12:13
  purposeful suffering? Have you suffered?
• 1:12:17
  I mean, have you what it comes down to?
• 1:12:18
  Have you suffered? For it have you suffered?
• 1:12:22
  I mean like me, I am right now. I'm unemployed because I quit my
• 1:12:28
  job because I got tired of being screwed over by my hours at Home
• 1:12:31
  Depot even though I was making $18.00 an hour which is bank
• 1:12:36
  money this day. Yeah, if you're doing 40 or more
• 1:12:38
  hours a week, but if you're only getting hold for 12, fuck that.
• 1:12:42
  Like you know what I mean? Like, but yeah, I'm taking this
• 1:12:47
  here. Which is your motorcycle.
• 1:12:51
  Yeah, that's a 26 year old Harley.
• 1:12:55
  Nice. The engine transfer
• 1:13:08
  13123 miles ago, the engine and transmission was completely
• 1:13:12
  rebuilt. Brand new bike.
• 1:13:16
  I just got to get new tires on it afterwards.
• 1:13:18
  I'm taking it from basically let's just say Baton Rouge
• 1:13:22
  because I'm 15 miles north of it, but I'm taking from Baton
• 1:13:24
  Rouge to Seattle, actually the West side of Seattle.
• 1:13:28
  So that's literally like it's literally by the time I get done
• 1:13:32
  25130 miles I. Was going to say like 23.
• 1:13:38
  So so almost double the amount of miles that are on that
• 1:13:41
  engine. Yeah, basically the full mile,
• 1:13:45
  literally. And like I said, it's been
• 1:13:48
  rebuilt. So the full mile that's 1300,
• 1:13:55
  the full mileage on is 37,541 miles.
• 1:13:59
  But like I said, everything, the incident transmission was
• 1:14:02
  rebuilt. So it literally has only a
• 1:14:05
  little over 1000 miles on it. I'm taking a 20 and it's one of
• 1:14:15
  those things of once I get tires on it, to hell with it.
• 1:14:20
  I'm just going whatever happens, happens.
• 1:14:26
  Well, you know what, what is the thing about?
• 1:14:31
  You know, we talked about elemental correlations with, you
• 1:14:35
  know, facing the fire and and going through a DOA man like
• 1:14:38
  fire tempers steel. Yeah.
• 1:14:42
  Steel is not proven. Metal is not proven.
• 1:14:45
  It's worth until it's been exposed to the beatings of a
• 1:14:49
  forge, the heat of the fire. Because if you don't do that,
• 1:14:55
  all you have is just raw material.
• 1:14:58
  You have the skeleton, you have the makings of something great,
• 1:15:03
  but without the exposure of ordeal, you got nothing.
• 1:15:10
  Yeah, well, it comes down to, well what you're saying you need
• 1:15:16
  to be tell every person, I don't care.
• 1:15:18
  A man or woman needs to be tested, men specifically.
• 1:15:23
  So that's where men learn because men take their faults
• 1:15:28
  and they look at all the little nuances inside it and then apply
• 1:15:33
  that to future. Men are very strategic and
• 1:15:40
  precise in that of where did I fail in?
• 1:15:43
  And anyone who's actually trained within anything, I don't
• 1:15:46
  care if it's even airsoft. Anyone who's actually trained in
• 1:15:50
  that, whether they're military, they've done airsoft, they've
• 1:15:54
  done Border Patrol, they've done everything.
• 1:15:56
  You take your faults and you learn from that.
• 1:16:00
  Yeah, you. I mean, let's take a martial
• 1:16:03
  arts the first. I mean, I'm pretty sure you've
• 1:16:07
  done martial arts. I have a lot of years of Chinese
• 1:16:14
  internal martial arts. I have Qigong, I have Taekwondo
• 1:16:18
  from my childhood. But yeah, yeah, I've got plenty
• 1:16:21
  of it. What happens basically?
• 1:16:24
  I mean taking all your days when you're first starting off, put
• 1:16:27
  it up to a week. What happens during that time
• 1:16:29
  period? What was the question again?
• 1:16:35
  Take it like. I yeah, if you take like you go,
• 1:16:39
  let's just say you can go twice a week, take the first seven
• 1:16:43
  days that you've been practicing.
• 1:16:45
  Actually, it's more than that, but we're just going to settle
• 1:16:47
  with seven days. What happens during those first
• 1:16:49
  seven days? Oh, you're just, you're just
• 1:16:54
  fucking up alone. You.
• 1:16:54
  Have your ass kicked all over the place?
• 1:16:57
  Yeah, you're a punching bag, right?
• 1:17:01
  And that's how men are. It's we learn through that.
• 1:17:05
  We learn through pain and aggression.
• 1:17:13
  We fail on something. You take those points and put
• 1:17:20
  them together and figure out what exactly you need to do to
• 1:17:24
  rise above. But yeah, the first few, the
• 1:17:27
  first basically week total of your entire days working, you
• 1:17:31
  have nothing but your ass handed to you left and right.
• 1:17:35
  Yeah, at the point to where, yeah, if you don't have any
• 1:17:39
  stones in you, you're going to a lot.
• 1:17:43
  You're just going to give up and leave really quickly.
• 1:17:48
  Yeah. And that's the same thing as
• 1:17:50
  anything, even airsoft or even playing video games, or at least
• 1:17:54
  the old way of playing video games where you just kept losing
• 1:17:57
  until you actually figured out the way.
• 1:17:59
  Like I'm just going to use a Final Fantasy or Zelda, you died
• 1:18:04
  left and right till you finally figured or Mario, you've died
• 1:18:07
  left and right trying to figure it out.
• 1:18:09
  The newer generations just want to oh, I'll go look on the
• 1:18:12
  online on how to play this game before I even start on it.
• 1:18:15
  And it's like, no, the point is to discover the game.
• 1:18:20
  It's kind of like with a woman. I mean, I don't care if you're
• 1:18:24
  someone that one woman your entire life or if you're the
• 1:18:28
  type that has a a player. Each woman is completely
• 1:18:33
  different and you have to discover her mind and her body.
• 1:18:43
  Oh for sure, man, and every man's different too.
• 1:18:45
  I mean, you know, like it's I, I, I think it's funny, like when
• 1:18:48
  you talk about video games, it's, you know, how I'm maybe
• 1:18:53
  maybe it's because I'm a bit more old school with it, but
• 1:18:56
  like, I would rather get pissed off at failing 19 times.
• 1:19:04
  Yeah, before the 20th time. I only figure out what I got to
• 1:19:08
  do to beat that level or to beat that boss or to beat that
• 1:19:11
  section of the game. Right.
• 1:19:12
  I got, I don't want to just be like, I missed it a few times
• 1:19:15
  and now I got to go find an online tutorial.
• 1:19:17
  Like, no man, I want to, I want to mess up along the way and
• 1:19:21
  figure out, is this really achievable?
• 1:19:23
  Because the the the developers made it achievable.
• 1:19:25
  They just made it so hard that you had a, you know, question
• 1:19:28
  your sanity along the way. And that's, that's, you know, it
• 1:19:33
  is, I guess mentally, you know, psychologically or whatever
• 1:19:38
  it's, it's part of development, but like literal physical
• 1:19:41
  things. Do you have anything that you
• 1:19:45
  can think of that that like what is 1 first thing that comes to
• 1:19:49
  your mind? Like what's 1 hard thing that
• 1:19:52
  every man should be doing regularly as a part of
• 1:19:56
  conditioning, as part of building up their masculinity?
• 1:20:01
  Holistic, you know, wholesome masculinity, right?
• 1:20:05
  Being a man, you know, like what?
• 1:20:07
  What is a good? Or majority of men do not be
• 1:20:10
  doing Bourbon. Majority of men do not live on
• 1:20:12
  Bourbon streets. So yeah, no, I'm not even going
• 1:20:15
  to miss in that phrase of that point of everything.
• 1:20:19
  OK, yeah, without, without hitting the concrete jungle of
• 1:20:21
  Bourbon Street, like, yeah. You mean the Ebola filled rivers
• 1:20:29
  on Bourbon Street, right? One thing every man should be
• 1:20:37
  doing. It's not one thing specifically.
• 1:20:46
  He should be testing himself and pick something, test yourself.
• 1:20:52
  And that's been one week on a different one.
• 1:21:01
  Go without certain things, whether it is this drink, this
• 1:21:10
  weed, whatever your pleasure is, go without it fast.
• 1:21:20
  Yes. And that is something I am
• 1:21:22
  guilty of not doing. So I'm not going to say I am
• 1:21:25
  anywhere above it. I didn't.
• 1:21:27
  Know what it is? I bought 324 packs of beer.
• 1:21:31
  So I mean, I'm the last person to talk to really talk about it,
• 1:21:35
  but that but you're. Talking about it, but you're
• 1:21:38
  talking about it and, and you're and you're, you're calling
• 1:21:41
  almost yourself out, you know what I mean?
• 1:21:43
  Like. Yeah, I am.
• 1:21:44
  Go, go without, right? Know what it is to be denied
• 1:21:51
  certain things, right, Because what does that teach us?
• 1:21:54
  What is what is what is it? What is it that you think that
• 1:21:57
  we are taught when we deny ourselves certain pleasures that
• 1:22:01
  are so easily accessible, right? It's almost like a punishment in
• 1:22:05
  a way like but what do you think that that denying of ourselves
• 1:22:09
  of those pleasures? What do you think that that is
• 1:22:11
  teaching us as men? What is the what is the lesson?
• 1:22:14
  What is the medicine that we're receiving when we deny ourselves
• 1:22:18
  these pleasures or these enjoyments or the.
• 1:22:21
  Yeah, that's a multi fun. It really puts in perspective,
• 1:22:26
  perspective of how much we really like that.
• 1:22:34
  Yeah, because I mean down here, I mean, what is today, Tuesday,
• 1:22:40
  Monday. Today, right as we're recording
• 1:22:44
  this, it is Monday, yes. OK, yesterday was Easter, right
• 1:22:50
  down here in Louisiana, we just got done with Easter.
• 1:22:56
  So Easter is the end of Lent. Lent marks a month of fasting.
• 1:23:07
  Yeah. Sacrifice, it gives something
• 1:23:09
  up. So going by the same basis, and
• 1:23:13
  I'm not Catholic but my family is.
• 1:23:20
  They pride themselves on giving something up for that month
• 1:23:23
  straight. And then yesterday they could
• 1:23:27
  find, well, today, basically, they could go and finally have
• 1:23:30
  that again. Like, my parents gave up bread
• 1:23:34
  and I'm always baking bread. So too down.
• 1:23:38
  Like gluten. Like loaves of bread.
• 1:23:41
  Yeah, loaves of bread. OK, interesting.
• 1:23:43
  Because no, I'll bake 2 loaves of bread and within three hours
• 1:23:47
  they'll be gone. I'm talking about like 6 cups of
• 1:23:50
  flour, an ounce of bread. Yeah.
• 1:23:53
  OK. So good commodity, good up was a
• 1:23:57
  was a. Loaf of bread and yeah, no, you
• 1:24:02
  get us. It's like, yeah, you have that.
• 1:24:03
  You have the like really good Danish cream butter on there.
• 1:24:07
  That's like 80% butter fat and everything on there.
• 1:24:12
  Yeah. Oh, man, that's great.
• 1:24:15
  I don't care what. And then you have like a Dumbo
• 1:24:19
  or something with it, a nice soup where you can dip the bread
• 1:24:22
  into and everything and it has a super, super hard crackly crust
• 1:24:27
  on it. Yes.
• 1:24:28
  Like a good sour though. Oh yeah.
• 1:24:31
  Or a good brioche, yeah. So I mean, going without is the
• 1:24:38
  best way anyone, especially men, can actually do for themselves
• 1:24:44
  and for others. Because while you're working
• 1:24:48
  internally, it's going to because especially men, they
• 1:24:51
  project it externally. Women can do all the internal
• 1:24:55
  work they want, but they don't project it.
• 1:24:59
  It just stays manifested inside. And you do see the changes
• 1:25:04
  within women, but not nearly on the level of what you see with
• 1:25:07
  men. And that's just the way women
• 1:25:12
  are. I mean, women are completely
• 1:25:15
  women mean men project for sex, men project sperm.
• 1:25:20
  Women take that. And basically it's like alien.
• 1:25:24
  They just take it and hold it inside.
• 1:25:25
  And then those things, no offense to women.
• 1:25:33
  No, I get what you're saying. I mean, they, you know, the
• 1:25:38
  receivers versus the the givers and, and what that you know what
• 1:25:43
  that animal animalistic, if you will, or, or primal way about
• 1:25:48
  our species are. There's different layers to it
• 1:25:52
  all too, you know what I mean? But I agree, fire versus water.
• 1:25:56
  Yeah. And you know, when you look at a
• 1:26:01
  lot of the like different creation myths, you know, what
• 1:26:06
  were the elements that met to create the living world right?
• 1:26:11
  In, in the Norse beliefs, it was, you know, fire and ice in
• 1:26:16
  Gununga Gap where it was fire and ice that that met and it,
• 1:26:19
  and you know, and it started the whole thing or at the beginning
• 1:26:24
  or at the at the inception of of the wider cosmos, right?
• 1:26:29
  There was fire and ice, right. So there are these two opposing
• 1:26:32
  elements. It seems right that that have a
• 1:26:36
  have a play at things. But I do agree with what you're
• 1:26:39
  saying as far as sacrifice, right?
• 1:26:42
  Fast for something. And it's interesting because,
• 1:26:45
  you know, the Christians have or the Catholics specifically.
• 1:26:49
  This isn't a, this isn't a universal Christian thing that
• 1:26:51
  Catholics have lent where they fast and then, you know, Muslims
• 1:26:57
  have, you know, the month of Ramadan where they are going
• 1:27:01
  through withdrawal or, or ordeal through fasting and all that.
• 1:27:06
  And these are all, you know, non gender specific.
• 1:27:10
  It's not about a man or a woman doing it or not doing it, but
• 1:27:13
  they are rites of passage. They are, they are, they are
• 1:27:17
  maybe not rites of passage, but they are acts of going through
• 1:27:21
  ordeal to discover something about oneself.
• 1:27:24
  It's when, when you are without your enjoyment, when you are
• 1:27:30
  denying yourself these pleasures, your focus that is
• 1:27:36
  maybe perhaps you know, focused on the the pleasure.
• 1:27:41
  Now it's shifted to something else.
• 1:27:44
  So instead of going to that drink or to that smoke or to
• 1:27:46
  that moment or that thing, now my focus is directed elsewhere
• 1:27:51
  and it's to the self. Why am I seeking this relief?
• 1:27:58
  Why am I seeking this, you know, enjoyment?
• 1:28:01
  Is it a necessity? Am I, am I yearning for it so
• 1:28:04
  badly because I don't have it? And now that is becoming my
• 1:28:11
  identity, right? I, I can't have it, right?
• 1:28:14
  Am I, is it an addictive sort of a thing?
• 1:28:18
  Or we discover that part of ourselves when we deny ourselves
• 1:28:25
  those things, you know? Yeah.
• 1:28:28
  So. Yeah.
• 1:28:32
  I don't know what what would you say would be the thing men to
• 1:28:36
  need to center on? The thing that I think that men
• 1:28:41
  need to, will you say, center on or.
• 1:28:43
  Like. Men should.
• 1:28:45
  Do what would be the best thing for them to center on to do such
• 1:28:50
  as I said, fasting. Yeah, what would your.
• 1:28:55
  Take on that be. I, I think that men should, I
• 1:29:05
  think one thing that men should do nowadays is to embrace their
• 1:29:09
  inner warrior spirit. First of all, umm, because
• 1:29:16
  that's what men have been for a long time in various cultures.
• 1:29:22
  Men were the protectors. They, they would defend, they
• 1:29:24
  would fight, even if that wasn't their occupation, they still had
• 1:29:28
  a sense, they still had an understanding of protecting and
• 1:29:34
  defending. Right.
• 1:29:36
  So maybe you weren't a, a trained militant person in in
• 1:29:41
  the war bands, but you still had a sense of I'm protecting my, my
• 1:29:47
  family, my children, my woman, my, my, you know, my elders,
• 1:29:52
  whatever. Learn a skill, learn a skill
• 1:29:57
  that cultivates that warrior spirit, right?
• 1:30:01
  Even if it's picking up a stick, even if it's picking up a
• 1:30:05
  sickle, even if it's picking up a blade, whatever it is, right,
• 1:30:08
  Cultivate that warrior spirit, because that's in almost every
• 1:30:16
  culture in the world. I think is, is men were the
• 1:30:19
  protectors and they, they, they fought, they defended.
• 1:30:23
  It's not to say that women your vessels per SE, but it was that
• 1:30:26
  the men were the, the, were the, the fighters, you know what I
• 1:30:30
  mean? Like they were the warriors and
• 1:30:32
  to, and to do something that awakens that warrior spirit.
• 1:30:36
  Get out, do exercises, learn, learn a new, you know, if it's
• 1:30:43
  not built into your everyday practice or even in your past,
• 1:30:47
  'cause you know, we talked earlier about martial arts, like
• 1:30:50
  I have that as a background so I can embrace that.
• 1:30:54
  But if it's not something that you ever been brought up in,
• 1:30:58
  what's stopping you from learning it?
• 1:31:00
  What's stopping you from adopting that warrior spirit,
• 1:31:04
  right? And there's damn near not a
• 1:31:08
  place this day and age that doesn't have some form of a
• 1:31:14
  martial arts studio in their town.
• 1:31:16
  Right. Yeah, but.
• 1:31:19
  The other thing is going back to the subject of what men need to
• 1:31:24
  do. Honestly, and I have to put this
• 1:31:28
  probably above the other one of what I stated, men need to read
• 1:31:32
  philosophy. The biggest downfall of American
• 1:31:37
  Society is when we cut away from philosophy.
• 1:31:43
  It doesn't. To hell with religion.
• 1:31:45
  I don't care. You don't need to follow
• 1:31:46
  religion at all. No shape or form, but philosophy
• 1:31:52
  is something that I mean the coined the term today make
• 1:31:58
  America great again. Well, once we cut away from
• 1:32:01
  philosophy, America definitely has seemed to collapse under
• 1:32:07
  that. When our leaders and mankind
• 1:32:12
  went by philosophy, everything actually flourished and it had
• 1:32:17
  for 2000 years for the most part.
• 1:32:22
  I mean technological and everything, you have so many
• 1:32:25
  factors that go into that. But when people actually ran
• 1:32:29
  upon philosophy, everything ran. I mean, you go so many degrees
• 1:32:36
  and everything. So many good philosophers.
• 1:32:40
  I mean Seneca, Plato, Marcus Aurelius Young.
• 1:32:50
  Nietzsche I mean, that's that's that's the other end of the
• 1:32:53
  spectrum, but. I mean Terence McKenna, Alan
• 1:32:56
  Watts, I mean some like just get into like modern, like thick,
• 1:33:01
  not on like some of the like Far East philosophies.
• 1:33:08
  You know what I mean? Embrace it and and study it all.
• 1:33:12
  Like don't narrow yourself into one belief, like don't tie
• 1:33:20
  yourself to a culture or whatever it when it comes to
• 1:33:22
  philosophy, because there was so much wisdom out there, cross
• 1:33:26
  cultures that can, that can really enhance.
• 1:33:31
  I, I, I read something, I read something earlier today and it
• 1:33:35
  wasn't, it wasn't necessarily philosophical.
• 1:33:41
  It was it was the studies of a doctor.
• 1:33:48
  Her name is Doctor Lena Hoffman and she proposes a a theory of
• 1:33:59
  such called the Berlin Paradox. OK.
• 1:34:05
  So one of her quotes is that most people don't want to heal.
• 1:34:09
  They want to become someone who never got hurt.
• 1:34:14
  So anybody that's listening or or whatever wants to look up
• 1:34:18
  Doctor Lena Hoffman or the Berlin paradox, you'll see what
• 1:34:24
  I'm talking about. South people approach self
• 1:34:27
  development like surgery, cutting away every flaw, fear
• 1:34:32
  and shadow. But real growth isn't escape.
• 1:34:36
  Growth is integration. You know, the healthiest people
• 1:34:41
  aren't the people that heal the most, they're the ones who
• 1:34:46
  finally stop seeing themselves as broken.
• 1:34:52
  You know, because peace isn't what happens when you change.
• 1:34:54
  Peace is what happens when you be.
• 1:34:56
  When you stop running from the parts of you that don't that
• 1:35:02
  don't need to be, you know, run from our work, our shadow work,
• 1:35:09
  that self work. It is sacred.
• 1:35:10
  But if you obsessed with it, it it's, it's it's fear in disguise
• 1:35:17
  is what is what the study brings to the surface.
• 1:35:21
  So, you know, sometimes quote UN quote, doing the work.
• 1:35:24
  Doing that shadow work means putting your tools down, slowing
• 1:35:31
  the nervous system, and just allowing yourself to simply
• 1:35:35
  exist. Yeah.
• 1:35:40
  You know, so like you're not going to discover these things
• 1:35:43
  if you're, if you're narrowing your view into a certain
• 1:35:46
  cultural perspective of things, you have to be able to wander
• 1:35:49
  widely, right? And take in certain things
• 1:35:54
  'cause there's so much wisdom out there from, from different
• 1:35:56
  cultures, from different places, from different minds.
• 1:36:01
  And being able to sift through it and apply it in a, in a, in a
• 1:36:05
  true sense, right. Not everything that you're going
• 1:36:07
  to receive is applicable. Yeah.
• 1:36:11
  But open yourself up to at least, you know, be willing to,
• 1:36:15
  to explore, be willing to wander, be willing to go out
• 1:36:17
  and, you know, tie those various threads and, and, and integrate
• 1:36:23
  it into what you're doing, 'cause there's plenty of men
• 1:36:27
  that hear this podcast, I'm sure that, that listen or watch that
• 1:36:33
  have their own mind on, on this too, You know, which I'm eager
• 1:36:37
  to hear because by the time this comes out, I want to hear
• 1:36:39
  comments, I want to hear thoughts.
• 1:36:40
  So, you know, so if you're listening to this and you can
• 1:36:42
  comment, or if you're watching this on Patreon, you want to
• 1:36:44
  comment, you know, please. And, you know, opening comments
• 1:36:49
  to anybody, you know, men, women, whoever.
• 1:36:52
  But man, I don't care if someone comes on here and tells me I'm
• 1:36:57
  full of it, I don't care. It's like, yeah, well, my
• 1:37:02
  beliefs do not consist of your opinions.
• 1:37:05
  And I like people's opinions, but on the whole, if someone
• 1:37:10
  thinks I'm going to be burying my whole world view and
• 1:37:17
  everything upon them, sorry to hear, sorry to tell them, but
• 1:37:23
  that ain't going to happen. I mean, you know me.
• 1:37:26
  I'm a I'm a stubborn asshole, plain and simply.
• 1:37:32
  Yeah, but we're not here to how you're trying to change people's
• 1:37:36
  minds. We're here to, you know, share
• 1:37:38
  our minds. And if people have a mind to
• 1:37:41
  share and it's, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll listen to anybody,
• 1:37:46
  you know, whether or not I hear them.
• 1:37:50
  I listen to everything, everyone I but I have no problem telling
• 1:37:53
  people so they're if someone's full of it, it's like, but I try
• 1:37:58
  to do at least come to some middle ground with them
• 1:38:01
  regardless. It's like OK, I can see your
• 1:38:03
  viewpoint. On this, yeah.
• 1:38:05
  And if you're, if you're, if you're approaching, if you're
• 1:38:09
  approaching what people say as I think you're full of it.
• 1:38:13
  Where is that coming from? Yeah, that's a union.
• 1:38:17
  That's that's that's a, that's a perspective that one has to
• 1:38:20
  think that somebody else's perspective is nonsense.
• 1:38:23
  I personally don't like to maintain that position because
• 1:38:27
  who am I to say that what they think is nonsense?
• 1:38:30
  I have had and have maintained that position because of my
• 1:38:35
  perception of things. I think what you're doing is
• 1:38:39
  bullshit or it's ridiculous. And while my opinion is what it
• 1:38:45
  is, that is that is not a wholesome way about delivering
• 1:38:51
  it to somebody else because now they're thinking they're hearing
• 1:38:54
  what I'm saying. They're going, who are you to
• 1:38:56
  say that what I'm thinking is it with this or that?
• 1:38:58
  You know what I mean? So it's, it's, it's a, it's a
• 1:39:01
  delicate place to find oneself in.
• 1:39:04
  Yeah, if someone fires off of me, I'm not too uncommon to him.
• 1:39:10
  Well, stuff up. Stuff it up your nose with a
• 1:39:13
  rubber hose. I mean, I don't know where, if
• 1:39:16
  you remember where that term came from, but I.
• 1:39:19
  Don't know Abbott and Costello, I don't know.
• 1:39:21
  No, that came from a welcome back Carter.
• 1:39:26
  Yeah, yeah, so close. Josh Travolta.
• 1:39:29
  Yeah, Up your nose with a rubber hose.
• 1:39:31
  Yeah. Up your nose with a rubber hose,
• 1:39:33
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I'm pretty
• 1:39:38
  common on Yeah, My, I'll answer you in the same manner you come
• 1:39:44
  after me, you come after me on blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:39:48
  It's like you come after me. Guns firing, I'm going to just
• 1:39:51
  fire right back. Well, so that opens up.
• 1:39:54
  And at that point, I'm kind of looking at the point I'm going
• 1:39:57
  to decimate you because of you came after me on that point.
• 1:40:01
  But if someone comes back to me of well, plea, I mean, one thing
• 1:40:06
  I'm always doing online, that's why I'm always like, please
• 1:40:08
  explain what exactly you mean, because there's so many ways I
• 1:40:11
  can take this. And you get about half the
• 1:40:14
  people that actually will, then the other half don't.
• 1:40:18
  So I'm just like, please explain so then we can actually have a
• 1:40:21
  conversation because I don't know which direction you're
• 1:40:24
  actually coming with us. I don't care if it's something
• 1:40:26
  that's completely against what I believe.
• 1:40:29
  It's like please because majority of people only answer
• 1:40:33
  in one sentence and it's like please explain further on what
• 1:40:36
  you mean. Yeah.
• 1:40:38
  I would like to have a conversation with you, I just
• 1:40:41
  don't understand where you're coming from.
• 1:40:45
  Right, yeah, it's, it's hard to gauge emotion over text or over
• 1:40:50
  any sort of like online comments, you know what I mean?
• 1:40:52
  People can say whatever they want to say and, and, but
• 1:40:54
  there's no, there's no measure of how it's being delivered, you
• 1:41:02
  know, so like there's. Something going on in your line
• 1:41:04
  because I'm hearing a lot of reverb and you're really slow.
• 1:41:11
  I mean, literally, it kind of sounds like I'm high right now
• 1:41:13
  listening to you. Oh, really?
• 1:41:16
  Yeah, it's like, it's like lot of reverb, like a lot of reverb,
• 1:41:23
  Like you're in a tunnel echoing. No, I mean, I hear you just
• 1:41:30
  fine. OK, well then it must be on my
• 1:41:33
  end. Yeah, I don't know, and it
• 1:41:36
  sounds fun on the recording end, but.
• 1:41:39
  Yeah, it kind of sounds like Tommy Song right now.
• 1:41:43
  I'm sorry. Oh hey, now it.
• 1:41:46
  I mean, who knows what the system?
• 1:41:49
  Yeah, technology is what it is. But yeah, yeah, it's like.
• 1:41:54
  Let me let me try this out real quick.
• 1:41:58
  Yeah, try it out. Alright, How about that?
• 1:42:08
  You there? I'm here.
• 1:42:12
  Are you there? What?
• 1:42:14
  Here we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:21
  Let's try that technology doing all.
• 1:42:27
  What's up, John? Can you hear me?
• 1:42:30
  All that is. No.
• 1:42:33
  She's. Arrow.
• 1:42:37
  Remember where the hell we lost off at?
• 1:42:39
  All I know is I got my shotgun. All we know is he's got a
• 1:42:45
  shotgun, and that's where the conversation left off.
• 1:42:47
  We're back, people. We had some technical
• 1:42:51
  difficulties, so this is part of the random.
• 1:42:56
  This is what makes random heathen rambling so random.
• 1:42:59
  Sometimes shit like this just hits the fan, you know?
• 1:43:04
  But we're back and, you know, thinking about thinking about
• 1:43:10
  things and stuff. Do you think I'm going to go
• 1:43:18
  back to, I'm going to go back to a question that I was at that
• 1:43:20
  kind of had cued before we get close to wrapping things up
• 1:43:25
  because we've been going now for almost 2 hours.
• 1:43:29
  But do you have a sense or do you think that men in general
• 1:43:35
  have a resistance for being held accountable by other men, right?
• 1:43:46
  That's sort of like challenge from a peer or from another,
• 1:43:51
  from another man to be like, you're fucking up, bro, like
• 1:43:55
  you're you're or you're not, you know what I mean?
• 1:43:58
  Like that, that challenge that or that, that call to action to
• 1:44:01
  be held accountable. Do you think that men have a
• 1:44:05
  resistance to that? Or have you seen that?
• 1:44:10
  Or or or you know? Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:44:14
  And I mean, that's just human nature.
• 1:44:16
  No one likes to be called down there.
• 1:44:18
  So I mean, how you can see that in the animal Kingdom?
• 1:44:22
  I watched my cats, Mama, cat, Black Mama, taking her stunt
• 1:44:29
  accountable for the crap that he does, which I call skunk Boy
• 1:44:33
  because he's black and white and has a stripe running, right.
• 1:44:36
  He has black on the back and then the stripe running right
• 1:44:38
  down his back. She gives him shit every day.
• 1:44:43
  She hisses at him all the time and he looks at her like the F
• 1:44:50
  you talking about woman and it's like no that's that's just
• 1:44:55
  nature period. No one likes being.
• 1:44:58
  Honestly if people can find any reason not to be held
• 1:45:01
  accountable for something they will and they will find every
• 1:45:04
  way to squirm out of it. I mean you watch that.
• 1:45:06
  I mean if you watch a lot of body Cam footage like I do,
• 1:45:11
  every single person on there is trying not to be held
• 1:45:14
  accountable for what they're doing.
• 1:45:16
  That's just normal and they will find every excuse.
• 1:45:25
  People are always looking for the path of less resistance so
• 1:45:30
  they're always looking for what can I make my life more
• 1:45:33
  comfortable with. The only problem is their
• 1:45:36
  actions usually 9 times out of 10, lead to stuff that makes
• 1:45:41
  their lives uncomfortable and then they're held accountable to
• 1:45:46
  it. And then they want to sit there
• 1:45:47
  and grow up about that, saying that, oh, it's not my fault.
• 1:45:52
  When it's like in reality, it's, yeah, it's 100% your fault.
• 1:46:00
  Yeah, It's like, why do we, why do men resist that being held
• 1:46:03
  accountable? It, it, it does it, it, it, it,
• 1:46:08
  you know, encroaches on your comfortability.
• 1:46:11
  But growth doesn't happen in comfortability, right?
• 1:46:15
  Growth happens in discomfort. So it's a big ego thing, I think
• 1:46:23
  for a lot of men to, to be first of all, challenged by another
• 1:46:27
  man. Because we see, I think, you
• 1:46:29
  know, no matter what, no matter how big you are, no matter how
• 1:46:32
  strong you are, no matter what your stature is, you know what I
• 1:46:35
  mean? You see, I think men see other
• 1:46:38
  men as equals, right? It's it's hard to see somebody.
• 1:46:45
  Yeah. So like, you know, who are you
• 1:46:47
  to, to challenge me, that sort of thing, right.
• 1:46:50
  So there's the ego. Men are always looking at
• 1:46:53
  another man as they're always sizing them up.
• 1:46:57
  I mean, even if we met and we're really not that far from you.
• 1:47:01
  I mean, I can go right up to Natchez Ms., which is 80 miles
• 1:47:04
  from here, right to Natchez trace straight to Nashville and
• 1:47:10
  be at your place literally in eight hours.
• 1:47:14
  And automatically, regardless, we're going to look at each
• 1:47:17
  other and size each other up immediately.
• 1:47:19
  I mean, that's just men. It's like men look at everything
• 1:47:22
  as on that aspect. It's like they size every man up
• 1:47:27
  they see of and that's just our nature come into effect.
• 1:47:34
  It's like if I really need to, can I take this person on and
• 1:47:38
  will I win? That's just mankind.
• 1:47:41
  That's just men, period. Now what do you almost?
• 1:47:46
  Have. A We're always butting heads.
• 1:47:50
  We're like the Rams just always, yeah, hitting each other.
• 1:47:58
  I mean, that's where like honestly the nature of four
• 1:48:01
  comes into place is on that basis.
• 1:48:09
  So do you think it's that we, we we perceive other men as
• 1:48:13
  threats? I think it's more of a thing of
• 1:48:17
  we view them as a threat until we get to know them and know
• 1:48:21
  that we can confide in them. I think that's just how it is.
• 1:48:25
  And regardless, men will, even though they may say a whole
• 1:48:29
  bunch of stuff, it all comes down to man.
• 1:48:32
  It doesn't matter if I came up there, let's say tomorrow to
• 1:48:38
  your place, we would just have that natural aspect to instinct
• 1:48:44
  to size each other up. But if anything happened, my
• 1:48:50
  first thing would be, and your first thing would be to protect
• 1:48:53
  your family, right? That is one thing we both would
• 1:48:56
  have on our mind is protect the young, protect the women.
• 1:49:03
  It doesn't matter what our it doesn't matter what.
• 1:49:06
  Even if we got off on the wrong foot, it doesn't matter.
• 1:49:10
  Or are we connected together and was like we're brothers, which I
• 1:49:15
  don't use that term often. And you know what I feel about
• 1:49:18
  the term. It doesn't matter what we stand
• 1:49:23
  as. It'd be on the basis of what can
• 1:49:26
  we do to protect the women and children and anyone else in the
• 1:49:30
  vicinity, older, the elderly, whoever.
• 1:49:37
  Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you if you don't know another man and
• 1:49:42
  you're confronted with somebody, obviously that's that's I think
• 1:49:45
  a tendency, right, Is to like size you up, right.
• 1:49:49
  What what what's what's going on here with this person?
• 1:49:52
  You know what I mean? Now, obviously you and I have
• 1:49:54
  talked over the years we've we've established some sort of
• 1:49:57
  like a relationship, you know, So I mean like if you as a known
• 1:50:01
  to me, like I know you to some extent and you know me to some
• 1:50:07
  extent. Like so if we respectively roll
• 1:50:09
  up to each other's place of residence, you know, it would be
• 1:50:15
  met with a different degree. Whereas if like a complete
• 1:50:18
  stranger were. To roll?
• 1:50:19
  Yeah, definitely. You know what I mean?
• 1:50:21
  Like it's, it's a different type of dynamic there, I mean.
• 1:50:26
  I don't know the law. What term that would be put as I
• 1:50:34
  view it as right now I am in your outer yard, I am not in
• 1:50:39
  your inner yard whatsoever and vice versa.
• 1:50:44
  And because we get along great online, we have had our
• 1:50:49
  differences, but we do get along and but we don't know each other
• 1:50:56
  on that level to actually consider each other inside our
• 1:50:59
  inner yards. Right, and that's fine, you know
• 1:51:03
  what I mean? And that's that's a good thing.
• 1:51:05
  I think to to to kind of key in on with the conversation is
• 1:51:08
  that, you know, just because you know, somebody doesn't mean that
• 1:51:11
  you can bro somebody, right, Because there's the whole
• 1:51:15
  kinship thing that you talked about it before, Like, you know,
• 1:51:17
  you don't don't bro me until you know me and I've known you for
• 1:51:22
  years through long distance. But Even so, we're not on that
• 1:51:26
  level of associating one another within kinship titles.
• 1:51:31
  And because we're not there's nothing wrong with that
• 1:51:37
  inherently. Like, you know what I mean?
• 1:51:38
  Like we're fine, Like we're, we're good.
• 1:51:40
  Like we're it's, it's copacetic you, you know.
• 1:51:43
  Yeah. And I do plan on having that
• 1:51:46
  happen one day to where we actually do meet up and meet.
• 1:51:49
  It's just right now in the foreseeable future, where we're
• 1:51:54
  at is where it's going to stay. I mean, yeah.
• 1:51:56
  Right when it happens, where it happens, if it happens, I mean
• 1:51:59
  like if that's woven into the fabric of our existence remains
• 1:52:04
  to be seen. We can talk about it, we can
• 1:52:07
  manifest it and it'll it'll be or it won't.
• 1:52:11
  But like I. Mean we view each other.
• 1:52:15
  I mean, I view it as we're counsel right now to each other.
• 1:52:19
  That's basically as far as it goes.
• 1:52:22
  Yeah, 'cause I mean, like, look, dude, like we have literally,
• 1:52:25
  like we've, we've gotten pretty visceral in various
• 1:52:30
  conversations. I've cried in front of you,
• 1:52:32
  you've cried in front of me. Like, you know, I mean like
• 1:52:35
  we've. We've Oh yeah, you, you've heard
• 1:52:36
  my whole shit over the years. It's like and you know.
• 1:52:41
  Because we've gone through shit, you know what I mean?
• 1:52:43
  And and we've been that sort of tether, that thread that can be
• 1:52:46
  like, listen, man, I'm fucked up right now.
• 1:52:50
  And that's, that's part of a man's identity too, is to know
• 1:52:54
  where a man can confide in another man without fear of
• 1:52:59
  being belittled, right? Like a listen, I'm not trying
• 1:53:05
  to, you know, be like sappy, sorry stories or whatever.
• 1:53:13
  I don't need validation. I just need a place that I can
• 1:53:15
  feel safe in being vulnerable. Yeah.
• 1:53:20
  And I'm the type that is even if you were having a really rough
• 1:53:24
  time, you're sitting outside by the fire.
• 1:53:26
  And if I was in your area, I pulled up and it's like, yeah, I
• 1:53:29
  just go sit there near you, right?
• 1:53:33
  I wouldn't say anything. I'd just be like, OK, It's like,
• 1:53:38
  we're just going to sit here in silence.
• 1:53:40
  And that's what it would be. I view it as.
• 1:53:49
  You damn Internet. Come on, Internet.
• 1:54:08
  Come back on. Come on.
• 1:54:11
  You can do it. You can do it.
• 1:54:13
  Come on. I trust you.
• 1:54:15
  You can do it. Hey, you there.
• 1:55:05
  Yeah. I'm here.
• 1:55:07
  Yeah. I don't know what happened there
• 1:55:09
  for the listening to the viewers, if they if there was an
• 1:55:11
  interruption, that was a that was a technical glitch.
• 1:55:13
  But yeah, you know, we're going to wrap it up here soon because
• 1:55:16
  I feel like there's enough things going on here to be like,
• 1:55:20
  hey, you're done. But yeah, I just.
• 1:55:22
  Say to hell that is low key trying to.
• 1:55:24
  Screw as men. Like sometimes that silent
• 1:55:27
  presence is all we need. Like we don't need that kind of,
• 1:55:31
  you know, I don't need you to tell me how to solve the
• 1:55:35
  problem. I just need to know that there's
• 1:55:37
  somebody here that's holding space with me.
• 1:55:41
  Yeah, you just need a law reinforcements you don't need.
• 1:55:48
  Right. Yeah, it's, you know, it's,
• 1:55:52
  it's, it's, it's like unspoken support, you know what I mean?
• 1:55:57
  That that unspoken sort of a thing.
• 1:56:02
  Hey, we're brought through the anger and rage, the Slayer.
• 1:56:08
  Yeah, yeah. And that's a, that's a, that's a
• 1:56:11
  visceral emotion that I've, you know, lived with my whole life.
• 1:56:15
  I've, you know, I can't tell you how many times I've been told,
• 1:56:18
  you know, you have an anger issue.
• 1:56:21
  And I go, I listen to that and I hear that and I go, do I really,
• 1:56:27
  you know, is that, is that something?
• 1:56:30
  Or is it that, you know, the energy that I carry and, and the
• 1:56:39
  things that I'm being given to feel right?
• 1:56:45
  I'm responding to that in a certain way because it doesn't
• 1:56:48
  align with my life and it doesn't align with my spirit.
• 1:56:52
  And so it's coming across to the other party or to the other
• 1:56:54
  person as anger, right? Well, sure, if it comes across
• 1:56:59
  in that way, am I angry? I'm upset, You know what I mean?
• 1:57:04
  It it, but I'm not, you know, so, so it, it, it becomes like a
• 1:57:08
  deeper thing, like, you know, what is 1 truth to one that that
• 1:57:13
  that is that you know, not to the other.
• 1:57:16
  Like they're seeing it as you have an anger problem.
• 1:57:19
  I'm like, I don't think I have a problem with it.
• 1:57:21
  I thanks to this and you're having a hard time facing.
• 1:57:26
  Processing all that. You know.
• 1:57:29
  Yeah, I mean, I tell people I was not, I did not go out to be
• 1:57:33
  a Manson. I I was shoved into that by the
• 1:57:36
  people in school and everything is like, yeah, no, you are this
• 1:57:39
  way. And I'm like, no, I'm not.
• 1:57:41
  I don't really like Marilyn Manson, but it's like, yeah,
• 1:57:45
  it's like over the course of the year, it's like, yeah, no, now I
• 1:57:48
  like Marilyn Manson, but it was like in the time I like the
• 1:57:51
  hell, I'm not a Manson. I, I don't, it's like, no, I'm
• 1:57:55
  not. And then it's just, yeah,
• 1:57:58
  society and, and this is a big thing that a lot of younger
• 1:58:02
  people don't understand and a lot of people as they get along
• 1:58:06
  still don't understand. It's not what you believe or how
• 1:58:10
  you feel, it's how society deems you and puts you into things
• 1:58:14
  such as during the time of Columbine and everything.
• 1:58:19
  I got listed as having a hit list.
• 1:58:22
  I was like what the hell? I got suspended from school for
• 1:58:25
  like a week, which didn't bother me because I just ran around on
• 1:58:28
  the property in the woods for a week straight and they told me,
• 1:58:32
  oh, you got to go get all your class work.
• 1:58:33
  I'm like the hell with y'all. Y'all, Y'all kicked me out.
• 1:58:36
  I offered to go to in school suspension.
• 1:58:40
  Y'all told me I couldn't. So it's like hell with y'all.
• 1:58:43
  I ain't doing the damn schoolwork.
• 1:58:45
  You'll give me an F on it. I'm going to soothe the shit out
• 1:58:48
  of y'all. No, I'm going home.
• 1:58:52
  I'm going to sleep in and run around in the woods all day,
• 1:58:56
  right? Because I grew up on five acres
• 1:58:57
  and we're adjacent to like 100 other acres of woods out in
• 1:59:01
  Texas, in the Hill Country. It's like, yeah, that's all I
• 1:59:04
  did for a week straight. I tended to garden at home and
• 1:59:08
  then I ran in the morning and then I ran around all day in the
• 1:59:10
  woods and it's like, yeah, no. And then they because of just to
• 1:59:16
  justify what they said at the time, I had like a Mel Gibson
• 1:59:19
  mullet in high school. That's what I had pretty much my
• 1:59:22
  whole time in high school. I turned around and got a
• 1:59:25
  straight on Mohawk and then went to Hot Topic and bought a bunch
• 1:59:29
  of just saw a goth metal heavy metal attire and that's what I
• 1:59:34
  wore for the rest of my time in high school because I'm like
• 1:59:37
  screw y'all, y'all put me in that box.
• 1:59:39
  Guess what? Now you'll get it.
• 1:59:42
  And then I bought a switchblade from the Dam mall and you and
• 1:59:48
  turned that on multiple people. I learned how to not a
• 1:59:51
  switchblade, but a butterfly. Yeah, I learned how to work.
• 1:59:55
  That over the course of the week and then sit there and turned it
• 1:59:58
  on multiple people during and throughout my whole time in high
• 2:00:01
  school. That and I didn't give a shit.
• 2:00:04
  I just lit up cigarettes in the middle of class.
• 2:00:05
  After that I'm like, I don't give a shit.
• 2:00:07
  You don't like me fucking, they spell me.
• 2:00:11
  Yeah, you know, but you know, dude, I hear you, man.
• 2:00:13
  And I, you know, that's hurt, that that's pain, That's that's,
• 2:00:20
  that's trauma rooted in something.
• 2:00:22
  I hope you know, you know, it's men have that.
• 2:00:26
  Like we all have a story. We all have a place that we can
• 2:00:32
  ultimately, if we're willing to face it, we have a place that we
• 2:00:37
  can find our self rooted in, right a moment in time, like
• 2:00:49
  what happened at a certain period point in our life.
• 2:00:51
  And that's that's hard to face. That's it's, it's probably the
• 2:00:54
  most difficult thing for me, at least personally to have to face
• 2:00:59
  is like, why am I the way I am now?
• 2:01:01
  I can blame it on anybody else. Y'all did this to me, you did
• 2:01:05
  this to me, you made me the way I am, blah blah, blah.
• 2:01:09
  And while there may be some truth to that, because of the
• 2:01:13
  environment that we were exposed to and, and, and it caused us to
• 2:01:20
  respond to our world at that time, what excuse do we as men
• 2:01:25
  have now to still behave in such diabolical ways?
• 2:01:29
  What are we blaming it on? Past?
• 2:01:31
  You did this to me 25 years ago. You know what?
• 2:01:33
  Fuck that. Yeah.
• 2:01:36
  Fuck that noise, man. Like I, you know what I mean?
• 2:01:39
  Like, why the hell am I blaming shit now on on things that
• 2:01:43
  happened 2025, thirty years ago, you know, grow up.
• 2:01:47
  Like I'm like, take ownership of of our lives.
• 2:01:51
  You know what I mean? Like, I understand it.
• 2:01:55
  I get it. And I respect the space where
• 2:01:57
  that lands because it needs to be acknowledged.
• 2:02:01
  It needs to be given that space. Let let's talk about let let's
• 2:02:05
  let's face that dirty, nasty bullshit.
• 2:02:08
  You know what I mean? Yeah, I think that also has
• 2:02:11
  during those times because actually that time that went on,
• 2:02:14
  Yeah, most people view that as, oh, that's very, oh, you went
• 2:02:19
  through all this trauma. You went through that.
• 2:02:20
  I'm like, honestly, that was the most alleviating time of my life
• 2:02:24
  because what very little out. And, and for being a teenager,
• 2:02:30
  1617 years old, everyone knows what that's like.
• 2:02:34
  That amount of, I mean, just your mind being the way it is
• 2:02:38
  during the time, it's like, I literally did not have to hide
• 2:02:41
  anything from that point on. I just went completely off the
• 2:02:44
  wall and just like, I don't have to hide anymore.
• 2:02:48
  I could be exactly as fucked up weird as I want.
• 2:02:52
  I mean, like I said, I was lighting up cigarettes in
• 2:02:54
  school. I was fighting people.
• 2:02:56
  I was drinking beer and fucking glass or I didn't give a shit
• 2:03:00
  anymore. And I told him, you don't like
• 2:03:01
  it fucking kicked me out. Yeah.
• 2:03:06
  It's like, I don't care anymore. It's like you all removed
• 2:03:09
  everything of a societal pressure upon me.
• 2:03:16
  Oh, excuse me, But yeah, no, I didn't have to conform anymore
• 2:03:20
  to anyone. And that literally was the
• 2:03:24
  literally, looking back at it, that was the best thing in my
• 2:03:26
  life because like I said, for one, I got suspended for like 4
• 2:03:31
  or five days, so I got to just run around and do what the hell
• 2:03:33
  I wanted all day long. 2, everyone thought I was already
• 2:03:37
  nuts. So it's like basically I had to
• 2:03:41
  be Martin Riggs just running around just off the wall nuts
• 2:03:45
  and have fun. And majority of myself, I just
• 2:03:48
  had fun. I just fucked with people left
• 2:03:50
  and right from that point on. Like they said, oh, if you had
• 2:03:54
  hit list, would you actually, would I be on it?
• 2:03:56
  And I'm like, oh hell yeah, bitch, you're the first one on
• 2:03:58
  that list. I mean, and I don't look back on
• 2:04:03
  it as oh, poor pity me or anything.
• 2:04:05
  I'll just view it as hell, Hey, I got to have a lot of fun in my
• 2:04:10
  last couple of years in high school because yeah, everyone
• 2:04:12
  thought I was nuts anyway. So it's like, hey, play into it.
• 2:04:19
  But OK, going back to the original topic of our of this
• 2:04:24
  podcast, younger men and all men, but younger specifically
• 2:04:36
  because this is who we're kind of orienting this toward younger
• 2:04:40
  men who are starting to come up in their late teenagehood.
• 2:04:46
  They need to look at because of white collar work and is done
• 2:04:53
  that's AI is going to take that over.
• 2:04:56
  If you try to go into that field of work, you're going to be dead
• 2:04:59
  in five years in that work. You do not even have to go to a
• 2:05:03
  school. Do not waste your time on its
• 2:05:06
  trade school. Go into a trade, look in the
• 2:05:10
  phone book, look up on Google, look up all the trades, what
• 2:05:14
  you're interested in, whether it's plumbing, electrical,
• 2:05:18
  welding, whatever. Welding I'd kind of steer away
• 2:05:21
  from because of welders are actually kind of a diamond
• 2:05:25
  dozen. But electricians, plumbers are a
• 2:05:33
  diamond are needed more than anything else.
• 2:05:38
  Younger people and anyone even I don't care if you're 50, just
• 2:05:45
  start going down the list of local ones in your area.
• 2:05:48
  Start calling them up, start working.
• 2:05:50
  Put it this way, you'll at least make $100.00 an hour a day.
• 2:05:56
  That's something to say. Majority of people don't even
• 2:05:58
  make that amount of money this day and age.
• 2:06:01
  Call them up, start working and then when you learn enough start
• 2:06:07
  and then mean time read everything you can about learn
• 2:06:11
  everything you can about what is the way it should be.
• 2:06:15
  Then going off and once you get your license in that trade, then
• 2:06:20
  you can actually make some real money like an electric.
• 2:06:23
  An actual certified electrician can actually make literally
• 2:06:28
  $1000 a day, and that's just doing basic.
• 2:06:33
  That's not even talking about industrial electrical.
• 2:06:37
  Industrial electrical is a completely different thing.
• 2:06:40
  To me, that was the fun stuff, was the industrial.
• 2:06:42
  But that's the one thing you mess up on one thing.
• 2:06:47
  Yeah, You become a a crispy critter real quick.
• 2:06:53
  Yeah, that's where you really got to pay attention to what the
• 2:06:57
  hell you're doing. But just a basic electrician
• 2:07:00
  just So what you can get about around on on for bringing home
• 2:07:05
  even just a few $100 a day doing residential work, which is
• 2:07:10
  really what matters. If you want to get into the
• 2:07:14
  industrial stuff, that is a whole different thing you need
• 2:07:17
  to look into, But someone that is actually a certified
• 2:07:21
  electrician, especially if you can get in with a contract with
• 2:07:24
  these companies that are putting up these homes all over the
• 2:07:28
  everywhere you go, every area has them, they're putting up
• 2:07:31
  these homes left and right. You can get that contract to
• 2:07:33
  where you're actually installing the electrical on it.
• 2:07:37
  You can make well over $1000 a day doing that only five days a
• 2:07:42
  week, sometimes less than that, sometimes the only three or
• 2:07:46
  four, depends on how quick you get everything done.
• 2:07:48
  But you're still making the same money.
• 2:07:50
  And you have to look at it this way.
• 2:07:52
  You're getting paid, let's just say $5000 a week.
• 2:07:54
  If you get it done in 3-3 days, $5000 pay for three days of
• 2:08:00
  work. That's you can't beat that.
• 2:08:04
  And younger people, that is the number one thing I suggest them
• 2:08:10
  to go into is go make that and then you can finally have
• 2:08:14
  everything you want. Everyone gripes about they can't
• 2:08:17
  afford this, they can't afford that, they can't afford a house,
• 2:08:19
  they can't afford anything. Get into trades, make some
• 2:08:24
  money. And then let's look at the next
• 2:08:27
  step. Let's start looking at, let's
• 2:08:35
  start setting up basically communes.
• 2:08:39
  I'm not saying compounds, communes, a bunch of people go
• 2:08:44
  in, buy a piece of land, build houses on them.
• 2:08:48
  I don't care if they're shotgun houses 10 foot wide by 30 foot
• 2:08:51
  long. You going off?
• 2:08:55
  Build those. A group of people, let's say 5
• 2:08:58
  people go in, start doing that. Going off.
• 2:09:01
  We could start building up what we all view as a actual heathen
• 2:09:06
  lifestyle if there's plenty of land that is cheap.
• 2:09:11
  And you know what? Regardless, plumbing and a life
• 2:09:14
  repo wherever you go is always necessary.
• 2:09:19
  It's 100% necessary whether you're in down here in
• 2:09:24
  Louisiana, middle of the state where there is no one, or if
• 2:09:27
  you're in New York City, Seattle, Los Angeles, San
• 2:09:31
  Antonio, Dallas, wherever you can make money hands over fist,
• 2:09:40
  especially if you do good work. That's the big thing.
• 2:09:43
  A lot of electricians and plumbers don't do good work, but
• 2:09:46
  if you do good work, you will make money.
• 2:09:51
  And at that point, we can start looking at creating a future for
• 2:09:57
  heathens among other people to actually progress and actually
• 2:10:03
  do something, not just oh oh poor pity meat crap across the
• 2:10:07
  board. Yeah, I hear what you're saying,
• 2:10:10
  man. You know, it's, it's it's, I
• 2:10:14
  can't really argue any of it. You know, it could work for the
• 2:10:23
  listeners, you know what I mean? Like for the audience, for for
• 2:10:29
  people who are either men themselves or who have influence
• 2:10:35
  in, in a young man's life or who share this, you know, you're
• 2:10:41
  talking to myself and, and, and John here, you know, who are,
• 2:10:45
  you know, 40 plus years into their life.
• 2:10:50
  We have experiences, we have thoughts, we have ideas, we have
• 2:10:53
  vision on things. What do you do with all this
• 2:10:59
  when you're maybe newly exposed? You're you're, you're coming up
• 2:11:03
  into your own adulthood. Maybe a man, a young man hears
• 2:11:08
  this or whatever. I would say it's a huge order to
• 2:11:13
  fill. When you hear about all these
• 2:11:16
  things and you go, where do we even fucking start?
• 2:11:19
  I would say start today, whatever day it is you hear this
• 2:11:26
  and. Literally you, you getting good
• 2:11:28
  with those trades literally once 10 years.
• 2:11:32
  I mean it's going to take someone a couple of years to get
• 2:11:34
  going, but once they do, even if they won't ever get married,
• 2:11:37
  they just stay single and 10 years.
• 2:11:39
  I could be 100% retired. This is true.
• 2:11:43
  I mean, it's, it's, it's not wrong.
• 2:11:45
  What I'm trying to, what I'm trying to focus in on though,
• 2:11:48
  John, is to be like, start today and for the next 30 days,
• 2:11:54
  whatever it is that you're doing right, whatever it is that
• 2:11:57
  you're, however it is that you're catching, catching this
• 2:12:01
  podcast right from today to the 30 days from now, pick one hard
• 2:12:08
  thing. Pick a hard thing that you need
• 2:12:11
  to do. I don't care if it's getting up
• 2:12:14
  at 5:00 AM instead of 6:00 AM or going to the gym or, you know,
• 2:12:20
  eating right or not drinking, not smoking, whatever.
• 2:12:23
  It is like, pick a hard thing daily, track it.
• 2:12:28
  You're going to miss certain days.
• 2:12:30
  You're going to hit certain days.
• 2:12:34
  You got to start somewhere. You got to, you got to establish
• 2:12:38
  the groundwork. You got to lay the blue, you got
• 2:12:40
  to, you got to go off the blueprint.
• 2:12:42
  You got to have a strong foundation to go off of because
• 2:12:50
  you have today and the rest of your life ahead of you, however
• 2:12:54
  long or short that is. You got to go one day at a time.
• 2:12:57
  You got to be present in that thing.
• 2:13:00
  So you got to have a foundation to work off of because of all
• 2:13:03
  the things that John's talking about about, you know, getting
• 2:13:06
  into trade and learning these skills and all that.
• 2:13:08
  Yes, it's going to require discipline.
• 2:13:12
  It's going to require getting uncomfortable.
• 2:13:15
  It's going to require being in pain.
• 2:13:20
  But that pain and that suffering, this one right here
• 2:13:23
  is that's. A.
• 2:13:24
  Honda done with purpose. No.
• 2:13:26
  That's a Honda. It's to teach, it's to learn.
• 2:13:28
  It's it's condition 600 yourself, right?
• 2:13:32
  BT600. So you condition yourself in
• 2:13:36
  ways that are manageable and that are repeatable, and then
• 2:13:42
  you apply that discipline into aspects of your life that are
• 2:13:47
  going to further and continue your approach to things, you
• 2:13:54
  know. So if it's not getting into an
• 2:13:57
  electrical school or plumbing school or any other trade
• 2:13:59
  schools today, maybe today for you, the listener, whatever the
• 2:14:03
  viewer starts by waking up at a certain time, doing push ups,
• 2:14:08
  hurting yourself, suffering with purpose.
• 2:14:15
  Not not to not to endure suffering negligibly, but to do
• 2:14:21
  it with purpose is to be like, I don't want to do it, but that's
• 2:14:25
  what discipline is about. Discipline is not about
• 2:14:27
  enjoyment. It's about consistency, right?
• 2:14:32
  And that's where men, that's where leaders, that's where
• 2:14:38
  people establish themselves as by going through those
• 2:14:42
  consistent steps and establishing themselves in that
• 2:14:45
  way. So that's, that's, that's what I
• 2:14:50
  want to say about everything that you've said, John, And
• 2:14:52
  thank you for, you know, sharing what you've, what you've shared
• 2:14:56
  and, and, and being as transparent as, as, as you have,
• 2:15:00
  because I hear you, man. I, you know, I think it's, I
• 2:15:02
  think it's valuable things for people to understand.
• 2:15:04
  It's like a a trade. A skill is valuable still, even
• 2:15:08
  in this digital age when everything seems to be automated
• 2:15:12
  and whatnot. You still need boots on the
• 2:15:15
  ground, You still need hands in the dirt, you know, people in
• 2:15:20
  the trench. It's as much as it's much as
• 2:15:24
  required, as it has always has been.
• 2:15:26
  Yeah, it'll never go away. Yeah, I don't care what AI does
• 2:15:33
  now. There's going to be things AI
• 2:15:35
  does come in that's going to alleviate a lot of issues.
• 2:15:38
  At the same time, it's going to create some issues.
• 2:15:45
  However, there is as of right now, at least for the next 10
• 2:15:51
  plus years, there is no robot that's going to be able to come
• 2:15:56
  in and do that stuff like a human being will be able to do.
• 2:16:00
  I mean, I suggest people, if they're single, get into truck
• 2:16:05
  driving, drive over the road. Yeah, it's it sucks.
• 2:16:11
  It does. However, the amount of money you
• 2:16:15
  can actually make if you actually do it right is
• 2:16:22
  insurmountable, especially if you don't have a place to go to,
• 2:16:26
  you don't have a home, you don't have anything.
• 2:16:28
  It is. You can just make 65 KA year and
• 2:16:32
  just keep saving that money. Do that for a couple of years
• 2:16:36
  then move on to something else. Yeah, hell, even six months
• 2:16:41
  doing that is like 30 + K make. Make that money while you can,
• 2:16:47
  especially when you're young and you are able to do that when you
• 2:16:51
  get older. You're not, as you're not a
• 2:16:57
  spring chicken anymore. Right.
• 2:17:00
  You ain't going to be able to be like, no, I'm, it's like, yeah,
• 2:17:03
  I'm tired. I mean, that's the one thing.
• 2:17:06
  Anyone tired Grandpa? That's too damn bad.
• 2:17:10
  You keep digging. Yeah, especially when you get in
• 2:17:16
  your 40s, it's like I'm tired. It's like I'm really damn tired.
• 2:17:20
  And it's nice to have it be it. It's nice to have 100,000 in the
• 2:17:26
  bank by that point towards like, OK, I could take a year off from
• 2:17:31
  working if I really want to. But yeah, no men.
• 2:17:40
  And this was basically what I'm trying to come down to upon
• 2:17:42
  everything here. Men need to quit trying to come
• 2:17:45
  up with excuses for everything this day and age.
• 2:17:49
  They need to get out and actually do some work.
• 2:17:53
  Yeah, it's no excuse. Yeah, when you're young, there
• 2:17:58
  is no excuse. Oh, everything is in your mind
• 2:18:01
  and your mind will come up with everything there is to say.
• 2:18:04
  Oh, I want to take it easy. And the truth is, is reality.
• 2:18:08
  No, you don't need to. Now is at that time is when you
• 2:18:13
  need to be jumping on it to get it done.
• 2:18:17
  Because like I said, at 40, having 100K in the bank, or at
• 2:18:20
  least let's just say even 30K in the bank, is a lot better than
• 2:18:25
  being 40 and not having a damn diamond today.
• 2:18:30
  Facts. Yeah, I mean money.
• 2:18:34
  Money talks, you know what I mean?
• 2:18:36
  It's we, we we live in that age now where that's it.
• 2:18:42
  It does so. And people want to say now is
• 2:18:46
  any is, oh, it's different than what it was before.
• 2:18:48
  Not really. You always needed money.
• 2:18:51
  I mean, that's always something that's always been a.
• 2:18:53
  Value of the dollar has changed too.
• 2:18:57
  So Oh yeah, it definitely has. So which means you need to make
• 2:19:00
  more than 30 K, You need to make like 100K just to cover what 30K
• 2:19:05
  would have done 30 years ago. Yeah.
• 2:19:08
  So be smart, be resourceful, know where your energy is being
• 2:19:15
  applied to in valuable ways, you know?
• 2:19:22
  And yeah, we're going to wrap this podcast up because we've
• 2:19:24
  been going out for over 2 hours and well.
• 2:19:29
  Technical difficulties we've only been.
• 2:19:32
  Well, even with technical difficulties, we've been going
• 2:19:36
  for a good two hours strong. So yeah, that's true.
• 2:19:40
  I'm going to, I'm going to just give 3 rapid fire questions to
• 2:19:44
  you, John, and they're very simple.
• 2:19:47
  First thing that comes to your mind, you don't have to add
• 2:19:51
  anything to it unless you want to, but just three rapid fire
• 2:19:55
  questions before I wrap this up. So first, all right, comfort or
• 2:20:01
  growth? Growth discipline or motivation?
• 2:20:13
  OK, that's a load of one. Yeah, it is because they go hand
• 2:20:22
  in hand. To have growth, you have to be
• 2:20:27
  motivated and be motivated you have to have growth.
• 2:20:34
  So discipline. So so motivation over
• 2:20:36
  discipline. Yeah.
• 2:20:39
  Oh, yeah. No, definitely.
• 2:20:40
  I feel like there's not like is you, you have to have if you're
• 2:20:46
  motivated to do stuff. And let's just say, oh, let's
• 2:20:51
  put it this way. Put it this way.
• 2:20:56
  I'm going to take two scenarios and compare them.
• 2:21:06
  Discipline over motivation is like the opening scene to save
• 2:21:09
  in Private Ryan. Yeah.
• 2:21:11
  Event storming Normandy. Yeah, motivation over discipline
• 2:21:18
  is like fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
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  So which do you go with? What's your What's your?
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  What's your rapid fire answer? Discipline or motivation?
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  Honestly, you have to have motivation because if you don't
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  have motivation, you're not going to get up to do anything.
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  Yeah, OK. Even if it even if that
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  motivation is fear, which the majority of the time you grow
• 2:21:45
  motivation through fear. So I have to go with motivation
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  over that. But it's but both of them and
• 2:21:55
  take a same probably Ryan at the beginning.
• 2:21:59
  You see the beginning, the people who do not have
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  motivation, what they're doing, they're sitting there crying
• 2:22:04
  while clutching their pearls on the beach praying for salvation
• 2:22:11
  when it's like, no, your salvation is getting your ass up
• 2:22:14
  and going and doing that. So I have to go with motivation
• 2:22:17
  on that one. All right.
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  And then the last one, maybe the heaviest 1 Lone wolf or
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  brotherhood. OK, my views on the lone wolf
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  mentality is absolute BS. It is a crock because a lone
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  wolf in nature is one that has been outcast from his society.
• 2:22:51
  He is looking either one or two things.
• 2:22:53
  He's looking for another pack to fall into or he's looking for
• 2:22:59
  death. That's the only way it works in
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  reality. The lone wolf mentality is like
• 2:23:08
  crock of shit you had. A lone wolf is always looking
• 2:23:18
  for brotherhood. They're looking for that pack.
• 2:23:24
  So that one is the simplest 1. You just asked me.
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  All right. I appreciate that, man.
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  Yeah. No, the lone wolf mentality is
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  the absolute biggest lie. It's as big as a lie at it's as
• 2:23:41
  big of a lie, if not more than men are too masculine.
• 2:23:50
  Women want masculine, even in liberal circles of I've been all
• 2:23:57
  around the country, I've been around Antifa, I've been around
• 2:24:00
  all those groups. You could tell very easily those
• 2:24:04
  women that sit there and tell men they need to be less
• 2:24:08
  masculine. As soon as those men become less
• 2:24:11
  masculine, they push them aside and they respond to the ones who
• 2:24:16
  are masculine. You just have to know how to
• 2:24:18
  work on their level. So yeah.
• 2:24:26
  So growth, motivation, brotherhood, belonging.
• 2:24:32
  Yeah, you already here first folks, or you heard it from John
• 2:24:37
  and they, you know, rapid fire responses.
• 2:24:41
  This is this is one man talking to another man for the last two
• 2:24:46
  hours about. And I've never had a group fall
• 2:24:49
  into I've been around the hoodoo circles here in New Orleans.
• 2:24:54
  I've been in Antifa circles in Seattle and Chicago, and I will
• 2:25:01
  tell you Darwin wins out nine times out of 10.
• 2:25:08
  Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 2:25:10
  What is it? The the evolution, right.
• 2:25:15
  Like, you know what I mean? The, the fucking theory of
• 2:25:20
  elimination. Not an elimination, but you
• 2:25:22
  know. Yeah, I know what you mean.
• 2:25:24
  But Darwin and Nietzsche went out nine times.
• 2:25:27
  Another 10, Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:25:29
  Those. Two, you know.
• 2:25:32
  Yeah, after that read play DoH. You basically have society
• 2:25:36
  completely figured out and you can work every person upon what
• 2:25:41
  actually on the level they're going upon.
• 2:25:47
  Well, man, this has been read throat.
• 2:25:51
  Read what throat is. After that read throat.
• 2:25:54
  Throat is good for the personal growth.
• 2:25:59
  Who? Thoreau, I forgot his last
• 2:26:06
  event. His Henry Henry Henry Henry
• 2:26:09
  Thoreau, that one. Yeah, him.
• 2:26:13
  Oh. Oh yeah, OK, I forgot.
• 2:26:15
  Read him. He he's, he's like James
• 2:26:20
  Fenimore Cooper. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:26:23
  They're really great on talking about the internal aspects of
• 2:26:27
  how people actually are, especially if you read the The
• 2:26:32
  Deer Slayer series, which is Last Mohicans and everything.
• 2:26:36
  Yeah, they're really good at talking.
• 2:26:38
  About Henry David Thoreau, yeah. Henry David Thoreau.
• 2:26:41
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:26:44
  And after that, Walt, Walt would Walt Whitman.
• 2:26:53
  So much, so much out here for, for, for people, men, women,
• 2:26:58
  whatever. You are right.
• 2:27:01
  But yeah, this podcast has been very focused on masculinity.
• 2:27:08
  We, we've obviously touched on a lot of different aspects of that
• 2:27:12
  in and around the path, right? We've gone off the beaten path,
• 2:27:17
  we've gone down some rabbit holes, we've had some technical
• 2:27:20
  difficulties. We've just kind of gone all over
• 2:27:23
  the place and I'm anxious with this one.
• 2:27:27
  Like I'm sure that there will be comments being weighed in.
• 2:27:33
  Hopefully, I hope you know. So if you made it this far and
• 2:27:36
  you hear this call to action, please share your thoughts.
• 2:27:40
  I don't care if you're a man or a woman or you don't identify in
• 2:27:44
  any sort of way. What are your thoughts?
• 2:27:47
  What do you think? Where, where, where do you sit
• 2:27:49
  with, you know, where masculinity is in the modern era
• 2:27:56
  and, and how we can bring back and, and revitalize masculinity
• 2:28:03
  without this inherent, almost inherent toxicity that seems to
• 2:28:09
  be associated with what it is to be a man and what it is to be
• 2:28:13
  masculine. You know, would love to.
• 2:28:16
  Hear this all got through, but hopefully it works for even one
• 2:28:23
  person. But yeah, if you want to tell me
• 2:28:28
  I'm full of it, go ahead. Believe me.
• 2:28:32
  The comments are open right wherever it is, if you.
• 2:28:35
  Don't. The comments are open.
• 2:28:36
  You can hit me up on my Facebook, Twitter, whatever.
• 2:28:41
  You may not like what you find on like Twitter, but.
• 2:28:44
  Twitter's a fucking hell hole anyway.
• 2:28:46
  And has. Been fun.
• 2:28:47
  It's fun. Twitter's fun because it's just
• 2:28:50
  anarchy. I I had one and I never.
• 2:28:54
  I just, I'm like, I can't even with this.
• 2:28:56
  That's what Twitter is so damn fun to be on.
• 2:29:00
  It it is. It's like Mad Max out there.
• 2:29:03
  Oh, it is. Yeah.
• 2:29:04
  It's complete chaos. But everybody else?
• 2:29:08
  It's like a lot. It's like a killing rest.
• 2:29:11
  You throw them through a window, you drown them three times.
• 2:29:14
  It just keeps coming back. Yeah, yeah, it's that boomerang
• 2:29:18
  of doom. Yeah.
• 2:29:20
  Yeah. But anyway, John, stick around.
• 2:29:24
  I'll touch base with you when I start recording this.
• 2:29:26
  For everybody else, it's been a wild night.
• 2:29:28
  It's been a crazy night. We've talked about a lot of
• 2:29:31
  things. We've had technical
• 2:29:32
  difficulties. You've seen it in real time, or
• 2:29:35
  listen to it in real time, whatever.
• 2:29:37
  You're hey, hold on, hold on. We're not done.
• 2:29:40
  We're not done with tonight. Just got to rack it, rack it,
• 2:29:47
  rack it, rack it. Marmot.
• 2:29:50
  OK, that was a shotgun. That was a shot.
• 2:29:54
  Get out into the fuck dude. I'm pretty sure my parents are
• 2:30:03
  going to wake up now. Be like.
• 2:30:05
  Shooting your shot, did you just fire around?
• 2:30:07
  Did you just? Yeah, he just, he did it, yes.
• 2:30:12
  He did. I saw it shot into the air.
• 2:30:15
  Yeah, that was it. I'm going to clip that, by the
• 2:30:18
  way. That's that's.
• 2:30:19
  Hey, go right ahead. That's this week's episode
• 2:30:23
  thing. So if you made it this far and
• 2:30:24
  you saw that or heard that, there you go.
• 2:30:27
  TuneIn this week for episode 14 of the random Even Ramblings
• 2:30:33
  podcast where John just goes off camera and fires off a AA12
• 2:30:38
  gauge round into oblivion. So thank you John for being
• 2:30:45
  here. You got.
• 2:30:45
  To feed mosquitoes. You know what?
• 2:30:48
  They'll be back. They'll be back.
• 2:30:50
  Oh, yeah. You know, mosquitoes.
• 2:30:53
  Yeah, they'll, they do their thing.
• 2:30:55
  But yeah, I'll be. I'll be here.
• 2:30:57
  John. I'm going to sign everybody off.
• 2:30:58
  Thank you for your time. It's been a loss, but it's been
• 2:31:01
  awesome. We had we had a great time.
• 2:31:04
  And thank you, everybody, for listening and watching.
• 2:31:07
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• 2:31:10
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• 2:31:43
  Thank you very much, John, for being my guest this week and for
• 2:31:46
  all of you. And I'm also looking at putting
• 2:31:48
  out an album soon, a few songs soon also.
• 2:31:51
  Sick. Awesome.
• 2:31:52
  Hell yeah, dude. Run it.
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  Yeah. Awesome.
• 2:31:56
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• 2:32:04
  again, may the gods continue to notice you, and may your
• 2:32:09
  ancestors smile upon you. And I'll see you in the next
• 2:32:12
  one. Good night.