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Mega Edition: The Grindingly Slow Process Of The OIG Investigation Into Epstein's Death (7/31/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: Apply, what's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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Speaker 1: One of the biggest issues people have with Jeffrey Epstein's
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Speaker 1: death is the fact that there has been no transparency
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Speaker 1: from the Justice Department. They come out, they talk about
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Speaker 1: they're investigating this, they're investigating that. Then all we hear
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Speaker 1: is that Bill Barr has watched some video, and all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, that should alleviate any concerns anybody has.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what is Bill Barr honest day of all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, we should just believe everything he tells
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Speaker 1: us and not worry about the track record of Bill
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Speaker 1: Barr being a known liar. So let's just all believe
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Speaker 1: this guy and not press the DOJ for any more. Answers, Well,
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Speaker 1: I can't control what anyone else does, but this skinny
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Speaker 1: guinea is going to keep demanding that we get some transparency.
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Speaker 1: We haven't had any transparency whatsoever throughout this whole entire
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Speaker 1: or And then they wonder why it's a fertile ground
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Speaker 1: for all kinds of wild conspiracy theories to spring up.
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Speaker 1: So the Department of Justice should do themselves a favor
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Speaker 1: and be transparent here and release all information unredacted about
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's death while he was under their protection. Today's
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Speaker 1: article is from The Insider, headlined the Justice Department investigated
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's death, then it went silent. This article was
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Speaker 1: authored by Jacob Shamsian. On October twenty eighth, twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: two months after his brother's death, Mark Epstein summoned to
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Speaker 1: the US Attorney's office in downtown Manhattan. Jeffrey Epstein died
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Speaker 1: in the custody of a federal jail just one building over,
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Speaker 1: and officials at the Justice Department said that they had
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Speaker 1: an update for Mark on their investigation into his death.
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Speaker 1: Mark showed up with a lawyer and doctor My Boden,
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Speaker 1: a forensic pathologists he hired to examine Jeffrey's body. Boden
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Speaker 1: believed Jeffrey Epstein died by homicide. The group was met
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Speaker 1: with a nice little panel of Justice Department officials. Mark
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Speaker 1: Epstein recalled, Now, I'm reticent to take anything Mark Epstein
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Speaker 1: has to say seriously, but when it comes to this investigation,
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt that everybody has been stonewalled, not just
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Speaker 1: Mark Epstein, but everybody. So I'm inclined to believe what
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Speaker 1: Mark Epstein's saying here about this situation. The official said
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide. Press for more detail, they
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Speaker 1: just repeated themselves. They didn't give me any information other
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Speaker 1: than after a thorough investigation, we determined it was a suicide.
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Speaker 1: Mark Epstein said, it was like I was talking to
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Speaker 1: a fucking robot. And unfortunately I've had to deal with
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Speaker 1: some of these jail officials myself, considering I've had loved
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Speaker 1: ones locked in federal lockups, and they're not fun to
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Speaker 1: deal with. Their standaufish, their dicks, and they don't treat
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Speaker 1: people like human beings. There is no dispute about that.
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Speaker 1: And if you dare question them, forget it, they'll really
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Speaker 1: clam up. Then you won't get any information. The meeting
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Speaker 1: was the only time Mark got any answers from the
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Speaker 1: DOJ about his brother's death. Three years later, he still
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Speaker 1: doesn't know exactly how Epstein died and why it's taken
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Speaker 1: the government that long to share its answer to that question.
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Speaker 1: Mark Epstein told Insider that even though he's Jeffrey's next
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Speaker 1: of kin, he hasn't been able to obtain certain medical records,
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Speaker 1: including the care reports filled out by the EMTs who
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Speaker 1: evaluated his brother's corpse. And don't forget, Jeffrey Epstein's death
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Speaker 1: was reported like thirty eight minutes before it was even
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Speaker 1: reported on the news on four chan, So how did
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Speaker 1: that happen? Who was reporting this on four chan? Thirty
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Speaker 1: eight minutes before the official story was broke. See, there's
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Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff going on here that needs to
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Speaker 1: be answered, and I'm sure there's a lot of legitimate
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Speaker 1: answers for most of it, But there's some other situations
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Speaker 1: going on as far as Epstein's death. What happened in
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Speaker 1: that cell? Why there's no answers about that? That really
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Speaker 1: have the alarm bells wailing for a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about conspiracy theorists. I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: well grounded people who want answers to a situation that
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Speaker 1: should have those answers available. The public hasn't gotten answers either.
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Speaker 1: Epstein flew at the heights of power, consorting with presidents
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Speaker 1: and princes while at the same time abusing scores of girls.
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Speaker 1: His death and custody of the Bureau of Prisons represents
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Speaker 1: one of the most shocking failures of federal law enforcement
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Speaker 1: in history? How could the Justice Department let him just
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Speaker 1: slip away? The Justice Department's Office of Inspector General launched
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Speaker 1: an investigation after he was found dead, but more than
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Speaker 1: three years later, the office still hasn't released its report
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Speaker 1: into the circumstances of Epstein's death. Three years Huh to investigate?
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Speaker 1: How big is the crime scene? It's one jail cell,
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Speaker 1: and I thought he killed himself. How hard is it
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Speaker 1: to have those results and have them locked in for
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Speaker 1: the people the public to take a look unless there's
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Speaker 1: something else going on that you don't want us to see.
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Speaker 1: In the information vacuum, conspiracy theories have proliferated about whether
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Speaker 1: Epstein was killed to cover up for his powerful friends,
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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and Prince Andrew among them. Epstein
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Speaker 1: survivors and at least one US senator are still demanding
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Speaker 1: answers from the DOJ. Just one senator, Huh, that's it.
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Speaker 1: The rest of you can't be bothered to get some
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Speaker 1: answers here. In fact, I'm going to be calling my
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Speaker 1: senator and I'm going to be demanding that they get
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Speaker 1: on board and demand answers from the DOJ as well.
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Speaker 1: Enough is enough already? How hard is it to get
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Speaker 1: this report? And why are they hiding it. It's not
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Speaker 1: like it has nuclear secrets. It's not like it's going
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Speaker 1: to tell you where the president's bunker is. So what
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Speaker 1: are they hiding and why are they hiding it? That's
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Speaker 1: the real question.
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Speaker 2: For many people.
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Speaker 1: The death was suspicious, to say the least, said Gloria Already,
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Speaker 1: an attorney who represents twenty of Epstein's survivors. Others have
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Speaker 1: their own conclusions about what happened to mister Epstein, but
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Speaker 1: the speculation needs to be replaced by facts and evidence.
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Speaker 2: Look.
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Speaker 1: I don't really like Gloria already, but she's right. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to hear speculation. I don't care about any
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Speaker 1: of that. I want to know what happened. I want
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Speaker 1: to know the truth. And the only way we're ever
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Speaker 1: going to get to that is if the government quits
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Speaker 1: bullshitting around and gets more transparent. Mark Epstein remains puzzled
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Speaker 1: by the hold up. He's convinced his brother didn't kill himself,
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Speaker 1: and stays the conclusions of Baden, who personally observed the
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Speaker 1: four hour autopsy of Jeffrey Epstein's body. We all took
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Speaker 1: it by surprise. Mark Epstein told Insider nobody thought he
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Speaker 1: was going to kill himself. Nobody, and folks, that is
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Speaker 1: what you get when you look at all the people
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Speaker 1: around him, his girlfriend, his lawyers, everybody talking to him,
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Speaker 1: the psychologists. He wasn't suicidal. Then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: he gets into a jail cell with Nicholas TARTAGLIONI gets
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Speaker 1: roughed up because I think that's what happened, and then
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a week later, he commits suicide.
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Speaker 1: That is a hard pill for me to swallow. And
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to prove that to me with the evidence.
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Speaker 1: And if there is no evidence that that's what really happened,
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Speaker 1: then how is it that the federal government can spin
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Speaker 1: that narrative with any confidence? After three years, it's not
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Speaker 1: clear what's holding up the DOJ's report. When Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: was found dead in his cell on August tenth, twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: then Attorney General Bill Darth barr first reaction was disbelief.
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Speaker 1: He later wrote in his memoir, Oh I'm sure you
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Speaker 1: are very, very taken by surprise, Darth Barr. No one's
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Speaker 1: going to believe it with suicide. Bar recalled saying there
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Speaker 1: will be conspiracy theories all over the place. Well, you
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Speaker 1: help with that. You're the only one who sees the footage.
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Speaker 1: Why is that? How come nobody else sees that footage?
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Speaker 1: How Come I'm not able to see it? What makes
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Speaker 1: Bill Barr above the rest of us? Oh, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to hear that. He's attorney general who cares this
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Speaker 1: is not a matter of national security? And we, as
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Speaker 1: the people who are footing the bill, should be able
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Speaker 1: to request these reports at any time. But unfortunately, we
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Speaker 1: have a government that continues to act as if the
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Speaker 1: rules don't apply to them. Epstein had been arrested two
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Speaker 1: months earlier on charges that he traffied girls for sex.
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Speaker 1: He was investigated by Manhattan federal prosecutors following a series
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Speaker 1: of articles by the Miami Herald journalist Julie K. Brown,
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Speaker 1: who detailed how he secured a secret lenient plea deal
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Speaker 1: with Florida prosecutors in two thousand and seven, even after
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Speaker 1: law enforcement concluded he sexually abused more than thirty girls, and,
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Speaker 1: in the words of Sebastian Maniscalco, aren't you embarrassed? It
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Speaker 1: took an article by a journalist for the federal government
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Speaker 1: to be shamed into taking action here. I guess the
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Speaker 1: days of the free wheeling fu kind of prosecutor who
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Speaker 1: has no fear are long over, because there's certainly no
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Speaker 1: prosecutors within SDNY that have a backbone. Up until his
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Speaker 1: arrest in twenty nineteen, Epstein continued living a lavish lifestyle,
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Speaker 1: splitting time between his Palm Beach home, his Manhattan mansion,
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Speaker 1: an island in the US Virgin Islands, and an apartment
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Speaker 1: in Paris. After losing all that it was possible, he
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Speaker 1: found the prospect of life behind Bar's unappealing.
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Speaker 2: Mark.
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Speaker 1: Epstein said, hey, look, it is possible. I've said a
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Speaker 1: million times I'm agnostic about how Epstein died in this
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Speaker 1: jail cell, but I certainly don't believe the official narrative,
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Speaker 1: not without any evidence or something to back it up,
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Speaker 1: especially considering what doctor Boden had to say. When I
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Speaker 1: first heard that my brother was dead and found dead
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Speaker 1: from suicide, I just figured, okay, he decided to take
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Speaker 1: himself out, he told Insider. Bar tasked the Justice Departments,
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Speaker 1: Inspector General Michael Horowitz, and the FBI with investigating the
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Speaker 1: circumstances of mister Epstein's death, there were two major unanswered questions,
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Speaker 1: how exactly did he die and whether it was suicide
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Speaker 1: or homicide? How did the Bureau of Prisons allow it
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Speaker 1: to happen? Within those questions are a number of smaller
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Speaker 1: mysteries still unresolved. Why was Epstein's body moved after his
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Speaker 1: death in violation of jail protocol? If his body was
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Speaker 1: after he already died, Why did paramedics try to push
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Speaker 1: air into his lungs if he hanged himself. Why does
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Speaker 1: doctor Boden believe the bone fractures in his neck were
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Speaker 1: more consistent with strangling. Why would he tear strips of
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Speaker 1: bed sheets to make a noose instead of using the
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Speaker 1: cord of his sleep apneam machine. Why weren't the cameras
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Speaker 1: watching his cell block working the day he died? Who
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Speaker 1: else was incarcerated in the same block, and did they
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Speaker 1: see anything? And those are all very basic questions that
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Speaker 1: we should have answers to, but we do not. And
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Speaker 1: then the DOJ wonders why there's conspiracy theories and people
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Speaker 1: talking about all kinds of wild shit. Epstein claimed he
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Speaker 1: had dirt on powerful people, and after his two thousand
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Speaker 1: and seven guilty plea still appeared to consort with the
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Speaker 1: likes of Mohammed Ben Salmon of Saudi Arabia, Elon Musk,
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Speaker 1: and Steve Bannon. Were any of Epstein's acquaintances capable of
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Speaker 1: planning and assassination and insider pull taken later that fall
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Speaker 1: found nearly half of Americans believed Epstein was murdered. The
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Speaker 1: Justice Department's Office of the Inspector General is uniquely suited
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Speaker 1: to answer these questions. That's if you trust the Inspector
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Speaker 1: General's office.
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Speaker 2: I do not.
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Speaker 1: The Inspector General's office can't even file charges. They're feckless,
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Speaker 1: they're toothless, and in my opinion, they're nothing more than
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Speaker 1: a tool of the government so that the government can
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Speaker 1: say to us, look, we're taking a look at what's
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Speaker 1: going on. We're investigating ourselves. And for all of you
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Speaker 1: who have been listening to this podcast for any amount
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Speaker 1: of time, you know how I feel about internal investigations.
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Speaker 1: They're a bunch of nonsense. Equipped with subpoena power and
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Speaker 1: statutory independence. The office is one of the rare institutions
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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Carefully designed to stand apart from
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Speaker 1: partisan forces and political wins. Yeah, Okay, sure, just because
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Speaker 1: they're built that way doesn't mean they operate that way.
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Speaker 1: And unfortunately everything has been it'en infected with the nonsensical
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Speaker 1: politics that we see on a regular basis.
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Speaker 2: Everyone deserves.
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Speaker 1: It also had a significant measure of independence from Barr,
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Speaker 1: whose own father may have given Epstein a job that
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Speaker 1: he leveraged into a career in finance more than three
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Speaker 1: years later. It's not clear why the Inspector General's investigation
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Speaker 1: is taking so long, Horowitz. Other high profile investigations concluded
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Speaker 1: far more quickly. An investigation into the flow of US
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Speaker 1: arms to Mexico drug cartels took a year. A five
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight report about the Justice Department dealt
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Speaker 1: with Hillary Clinton's email server and a four hundred and
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Speaker 1: seventy eight page report about the Crossfire hurricane investigation into
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Speaker 1: Trump's links with Russia were each released about a year
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Speaker 1: and a half after they were initiated. So how is
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Speaker 1: it that after all this time we're still waiting for this.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about things that have to do with national security.
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Speaker 1: So what are they hiding here? And if they're not
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Speaker 1: hiding anything, then why are they slow walking it? Glenn Fine,
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Speaker 1: who served as the Justice Department's Inspector General between two
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Speaker 1: thousand and twenty and eleven, told Insider of the office
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Speaker 1: is likely taking extraordinary care to make sure it gets
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Speaker 1: all the details right. Oh, give me a break. I
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Speaker 1: don't buy that for a minute. The OIG is probably
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Speaker 1: taking the position, we want to make sure we get
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Speaker 1: it right, and we want to make sure we are
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Speaker 1: thorough and that the report is so convincing that the
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Speaker 1: people who think that Epstein was murdered will be persuaded
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Speaker 1: by all the evidence once it's out there. Fine said, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but the other stuff nobody needed to be persuaded. Huh,
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Speaker 1: the stuff about Trump, or it doesn't make sense. And
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Speaker 1: his explanation here, with all due respect to mister Glenn Fine,
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Speaker 1: is bullshit. There are four possible reasons the report hasn't
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Speaker 1: yet been released. Fine said The Inspector General's Office could
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Speaker 1: still be investigating, it's holding a report so as to
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Speaker 1: not interfere with any pending criminal cases, is writing the report,
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Speaker 1: or is waiting for feedback from the Bureau of Prisons.
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Speaker 1: A representative for the Bureau of Prisons said it was
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Speaker 1: cooperating with the Justice Department and referred Insider to the
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Speaker 1: Office of Inspector General for further questions. A spokesperson for
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Speaker 1: the Inspector General's office to client to comment on this story.
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Speaker 1: So transparent, they're so upfront, and they want to make
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Speaker 1: sure that everybody knows the truth as they continue to
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Speaker 1: stone wall the public and the public's request for information.
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Speaker 1: The only public criminal cases linked to the Inspector General's
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Speaker 1: investigation were charges brought against Tovin Noel and Michael Thomas,
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Speaker 1: the two jail security guards who were tasked with watching
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Speaker 1: Epstein and other inmates house near him. The case stem
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Speaker 1: from investigations by the FBI and the US Attorney's Office
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Speaker 1: in the Southern District of New York, which is parallel
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Speaker 1: but independent from the Inspector General investigationation run out of Washington,
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Speaker 1: d C. In a November twenty nineteen indictment, Manhattan prosecutors
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Speaker 1: said Noel and Thomas skipped their required rounds the night
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Speaker 1: of Epstein's death, but falsified records to hide the fact.
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Speaker 1: Nothing suspicious here, of folks, nothing at all. Prosecutors used
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Speaker 1: court documents in the case to give the public a
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Speaker 1: glimpse of what they had discovered. Video footage indicated no
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Speaker 1: one had entered the area outside Epstein's cell block between
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Speaker 1: seven forty nine pm on August ninth, when he was
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Speaker 1: escorted to his cell, until six thirty three am on
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Speaker 1: August tenth, when Noel and Thomas were serving breakfast and
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Speaker 1: found him dead. Epstein was alone in his cell and
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Speaker 1: not responsive, with a noose around his neck. The indictment said.
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Speaker 1: Noell and Thomas entered deferred prosecution agreements in May of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, agreeing to be interviewed by the OIG's investigators.
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Speaker 1: They sat for those interviews in June that year, according
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Speaker 1: to a familiar with the investigation who spoke to Insider
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Speaker 1: on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized
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Speaker 1: to speak on the record. How come nobody's ever authorized
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Speaker 1: to speak on the record. Prosecutors formally dropped the criminal
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Speaker 1: charges against Noel and Thomas in December twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 1: Once that case was over, it looked like the path
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Speaker 1: was clear for the Inspector General's Office to release the report.
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Speaker 1: But it's been more than a year and the report
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Speaker 1: is still under wraps. Even members of Congress appear to
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Speaker 1: have lost interest in Epstein's fate. That's how it always
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Speaker 1: works right. Just wait for the news cycle to overtake
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Speaker 1: any drama that might cause me difficulty. And that goes
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Speaker 1: for all of the scoundrels in Congress, no matter what
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Speaker 1: letter is next to their name. None of them care
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Speaker 1: about you, Republican Democrat. If they did, they'd be going
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Speaker 1: crazy here to give us the truth about what happened
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Speaker 1: with Epstein. Back in December twenty nineteen, four members of
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Speaker 1: the Senate Judiciary commit Senators Ted Cruz of Texas, Ben
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Speaker 1: Sass of Nebraska, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, and Marshall Blackburn
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Speaker 1: of Tennessee wrote an open letter urging Horowitz to complete
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Speaker 1: the investigation. These events have ignited a crisis of public
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Speaker 1: trust in the Department and exasperated the erosion of trust
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Speaker 1: that the American people have in our institutions of republican
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Speaker 1: self government. More broadly, they wrote. Representatives for Cruise in
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Speaker 1: Blackburn didn't respond to Insider's request to comment on this story. Sas,
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Speaker 1: who sent a follow up letter to Horowitz in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty and who is now the president of the University
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Speaker 1: of Florida, didn't respond to Insider's requests for comment either.
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Speaker 1: Only Blumenthal responded to Insider's requests for comment. He urged
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Speaker 1: Horowitz to release the report soon. I continue to believe
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Speaker 1: the public deserves to be made aware of the results
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Speaker 1: of the Department of Justice investigation into the death of
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, Blumenthal said. Fine believes Horowitz is in a
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Speaker 1: tough spot with the investigation likely weighing the importance of
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Speaker 1: informing the public against doing a thorough job. I believe
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Speaker 1: that it's important to be timely, particularly in matters of
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Speaker 1: significant public concern. Fine, now, a governance studies fellow at
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Speaker 1: the Brookings Institution and law professor at Georgetown University, told
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Speaker 1: Insider having said that it's most important to get it
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Speaker 1: right and to be thorough and persuasive. Well, the fact
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Speaker 1: should be persuasive. You don't have to be persuasive. Stop
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Speaker 1: gaslighting me. Epstein's death highlighted bigger problems in federal jails.
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Speaker 1: It remains unclear how much of the Inspector General's investigation
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Speaker 1: has encompassed failures in the jail where Epstein was housed.
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Speaker 1: After Noel and Thomas were charged with falsifying records, their
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Speaker 1: lawyers argued they were scapegoats for the Bureau of Prisons
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Speaker 1: as a whole, which left the Metropolitan Correctional Center chronically understaffed,
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Speaker 1: forced employees to work extraordinary long hours, and allowed the
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Speaker 1: facility to deteriorate. Only eighteen employees were guarding the MCC's
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Speaker 1: roughly seven hundred and fifty inmates. The knight Epstein died
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Speaker 1: record show Records obtained by The New York Times demonstrate
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Speaker 1: that jail staffers bungled routine details. An intake form described
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Speaker 1: Epstein as a blackmail and indicated he had no prior
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Speaker 1: sex offense convictions. Numerous phone calls he made while in
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Speaker 1: custody weren't logged. But it's convenient that they made this
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Speaker 1: mistake with Epstein. How many other inmates did they make
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Speaker 1: this mistake with. Let's see those numbers so we can compare.
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Speaker 1: Martin Weinberg, one of Epstein's criminal defense attorneys in his
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Speaker 1: New York case, told Insider that he hopes the Inspector
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Speaker 1: General's investigation will shed more light on the dire conditions
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Speaker 1: of the MCC. His conditions of confinement were medieval, Weinberg said,
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Speaker 1: Oh crimeer River, the Inspector General's office has made passing
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Speaker 1: mentions of Epstein a hand full of times in broader
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Speaker 1: reports about the Justice Department. In twenty nineteen, it mentioned
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Speaker 1: the death of Epstein and Whitey Bulger as examples of
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Speaker 1: why the Bureau of Prisons needed better monitoring for incarcerated people.
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Speaker 1: A twenty twenty year report said the indictment against the
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Speaker 1: two jail guards, Noel Thomas Noel and Thomas promoted accountability. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but not for their bosses, right, It's always the low
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Speaker 1: man on the totem pole. What about their supervisor? What
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Speaker 1: about the sergeant, What about the lieutenant? What about the captain.
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Speaker 1: In a twenty twenty two report about the Justice Department's challenges,
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Speaker 1: the Inspector General's Office called Epstein's death of suicide and
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Speaker 1: said it had numerous ongoing investigations into whether Bureau of
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Speaker 1: Prisons employees did their job well and now deaths like
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Speaker 1: Epstein's impair the public's trust in the department. All these
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Speaker 1: investigations and no information for the rest of us. The
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Speaker 1: Bureau of Prisons shut down the MCC entirely in August
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Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty one, and transferred its inmates to other facilities.
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Speaker 1: It remains closed despite the Justice Department's policy of not
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Speaker 1: commenting on ongoing investigations, Barr has happily gabbed about how
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Speaker 1: the MCC was to blame for Epstein's death everybody but him, huh.
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Speaker 1: Remember he was the Attorney General at the time, the
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Speaker 1: man in charge of it all. But somehow it's everybody
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Speaker 1: else's fault. That's how you can tell a good leader
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Speaker 1: from a bad one. A good leader takes responsibility. A
22:29
Speaker 1: bad one well looks the place blame. Just two days
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Speaker 1: after Epstein's death, Bar suggested in a speech to police
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Speaker 1: union members that the investigation would focus on serious irregularities
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Speaker 1: at the jail.
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Speaker 2: In an interview with the Associated Press.
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Speaker 1: In November twenty nineteen, Bar said he concluded Epstein killed
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Speaker 1: himself and that a perfect storm of screw ups at
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Speaker 1: the MCC allowed it to happen. In his memoir, the
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Speaker 1: former Attorney General wrote that correctional staff failed to do
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Speaker 1: their job of checking on Epstein every thirty minutes, and
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Speaker 1: that he was not housed in the same cell as
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Speaker 1: a trusted inmate as he was supposed to be as
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Speaker 1: a result of unintentional oversight. It's all just a big mistake.
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Speaker 1: What happened to her, folks. Everything was an accident and
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Speaker 1: all of the stuff that led up to it.
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Speaker 2: That was just a coincidence.
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Speaker 1: That's the official narrative that they're sticking with, even if
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Speaker 1: they haven't provided us with even a hintilla of proof.
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Speaker 1: All Right, folks, that's gonna do it for part one
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Speaker 1: of this episode. Part two is on its way. All
23:36
Speaker 1: of the information that goes with the episode can be
23:39
Speaker 1: found in the description box. Everyone, and welcome back to
23:45
Speaker 1: the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna finish off
23:50
Speaker 1: the article from Insider by author Jacob Shamsey in so
23:56
Speaker 1: let's dive right in and pick up where we left off, headlined,
24:02
Speaker 1: the Justice Department investigated Jeffrey Epstein's death, then it went silent.
24:08
Speaker 1: Mark Epstein doesn't believe his brother killed himself. When Mark
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Speaker 1: Epstein saw Bar dismiss the possibility of a murder based
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Speaker 1: on his review of security footage outside Jeffrey Epstein's cell tier,
24:23
Speaker 1: he wasn't remotely satisfied. Now, who would be. I'm certainly
24:27
Speaker 1: no fan of Mark Epstein or his brother Jeffrey Epstein,
24:31
Speaker 1: but who the hell would be satisfied if they were
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Speaker 1: getting these answers from Bill Barr or the Department of
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Speaker 1: Justice if their family member had just so called killed
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Speaker 1: themselves while he was in the custody of the federal government.
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Speaker 1: And furthermore, because they were in the custody of the
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Speaker 1: federal government, the government then owes answers to the family
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Speaker 1: of the deceased. And it doesn't matter if it's Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein or any other scumbag. That's the way it has
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Speaker 1: to be be. There has to be accountability within these prisons,
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Speaker 1: within these jails, right and if inmates are killed or
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Speaker 1: they harmed themselves, then the facility has to have answers
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Speaker 1: ready for the family members. What I thought was, this
25:14
Speaker 1: is either a cover up or he's the dumbest fuck
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Speaker 1: on the planet, Mark Epstein said to Mark Barr's version
25:21
Speaker 1: of events suggests he came to the conclusion that Jeffrey
25:25
Speaker 1: Epstein killed himself and then backfilled evidence from there that
25:30
Speaker 1: certainly fits. I haven't seen one bit of evidence that
25:33
Speaker 1: would prove to me anyway that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself
25:37
Speaker 1: in that jail cell. And on the flip side of that,
25:39
Speaker 1: I'm not completely convinced that he didn't kill himself. What
25:43
Speaker 1: I'm asking for is transparency. Now I know other people
25:47
Speaker 1: have other ideas, and that's fine and well, because I
25:50
Speaker 1: don't have the answers either. So who the hell knows
25:53
Speaker 1: what happened in that jail on the night of Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein's death. And unfortunately, nobody trust Bill Barr. I don't
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Speaker 1: care what side of the aisle you're on, Nobody trusts
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Speaker 1: Bill Barr to tell them the truth. And if you're
26:07
Speaker 1: still looking for people like Bill Barr to tell you
26:09
Speaker 1: the truth, I hope you packed a lunch because it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a long time. Barr seemed to consider only
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Speaker 1: the possibility that a murderer would have been someone who's
26:20
Speaker 1: snuck into the jail. Mark told Insider he was gobsmacked
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Speaker 1: that Bar didn't seem to consider the possibility that someone
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Speaker 1: else in Jeffrey Epstein's block of cells killed them. Hey,
26:32
Speaker 1: how do we know the cameras weren't working? Did somebody
26:34
Speaker 1: happen to leave a jail cell open and then insert
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Speaker 1: person here sneaks into Epstein's cell and does the business.
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Speaker 1: Who the hell knows. We don't have any camera footage,
26:44
Speaker 1: no surveillance footage to tell us the story, so we're
26:48
Speaker 1: relying on what Bill Barr has pieced together from lord
26:52
Speaker 1: knows where. Now he'll tell you he's the only one
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Speaker 1: who saw the surveillance and nobody snuck in. Well, what
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Speaker 1: if the person was there already? What We've never had
27:01
Speaker 1: people who work for the prison system go rogue and
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Speaker 1: become criminals. So it's not a illegitimate question to ask,
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Speaker 1: especially when there's no answers being provided. Since there were
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Speaker 1: eight cells in the tier, there would have been between
27:16
Speaker 1: seven and fourteen people other than Epstein in the block,
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Speaker 1: depending on how many had cell mates. The Justice Department
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Speaker 1: has not made the names of those incarcerated people public,
27:28
Speaker 1: and they won't. That's the scariest part. How are we
27:31
Speaker 1: ever going to know who these people were? If the
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Speaker 1: government refuses to be transparent and the Inspector General continues
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Speaker 1: to give them years and years and years to do
27:41
Speaker 1: whatever they want. You See, That's what I'm talking about
27:44
Speaker 1: when I say internal investigations or bullshit. There needs to
27:48
Speaker 1: be an investigation with teeth, and if we had anyone
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Speaker 1: in Congress or the Senate that was worthwhile, we'd be
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Speaker 1: seeing that. But instead we just get more nonsensical artificial
28:00
Speaker 1: wedge issues that they throw in front of you through
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Speaker 1: their pals in the media, so everybody gets mad at
28:06
Speaker 1: each other and nobody focuses on the bigger issues, you know,
28:09
Speaker 1: like banks failing, those same bankers enabling people like Epstein
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Speaker 1: and the cartels and oligarchs. And we can go on
28:17
Speaker 1: all day, but please tell me about how much you
28:19
Speaker 1: hate your neighbor because he voted for so and so.
28:24
Speaker 1: Mark Epstein told Insider that he spoke to his brother
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Speaker 1: once a month in the years before his death. The
28:30
Speaker 1: two caught up over the phone while Jeffrey Epstein was
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Speaker 1: in Paris the night before he flew to New Jersey
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Speaker 1: and was arrested after his private jet landed. Jeffrey Epstein
28:40
Speaker 1: had reasons to stay alive. Mark said he didn't leave
28:43
Speaker 1: a suicide note, or at least none that has been reported,
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Speaker 1: and reportedly deposited money into other inmates commissary accounts in
28:51
Speaker 1: return for protection. People who spoke with them in the
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Speaker 1: weeks leading up to his death believed he was optimistic
28:57
Speaker 1: about getting the charges dismissed, and that was a common
29:01
Speaker 1: theme from people who were around him before he got
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Speaker 1: arrested and after he got arrested. But the legacy media
29:09
Speaker 1: they refused to report that. Instead they just run with
29:12
Speaker 1: the nonsensical narrative that he one hundred percent killed himself,
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Speaker 1: and anyone questioning that is some kind of conspiracy theorist.
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Speaker 1: That's the way they tried to paint it in the
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Speaker 1: legacy media. And while that might be beneficial to their
29:25
Speaker 1: buddies in high places, it is not beneficial to society
29:30
Speaker 1: as a whole.
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Speaker 2: After he was arrested.
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Speaker 1: In early August twenty nineteen, Epstein and attorney David Shoon
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Speaker 1: had a five hour meeting to discuss criminal defense strategies.
29:41
Speaker 1: Showan told Insider that Epstein appeared optimistic that he'd be
29:45
Speaker 1: protected by the controversial and unusual non prosecution agreement he
29:50
Speaker 1: signed with Alexander Acosta, the US attorney in Florida he
29:54
Speaker 1: cut a deal with in two thousand and seven. And
29:57
Speaker 1: even here in the article they missed the bigger point.
29:59
Speaker 1: Was it just Alexander Acosta who cut this deal? Of
30:02
Speaker 1: course it wasn't he really think the middle manager of
30:05
Speaker 1: Wendy's has that kind of power. Well, neither does a
30:09
Speaker 1: prosecutor hanging out down in Florida going after a guy
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Speaker 1: like Epstein. He had to get someone to sign off
30:15
Speaker 1: on that, and that someone at the time was the
30:18
Speaker 1: head honcho, mister Muchesi himself. So why don't we talk
30:21
Speaker 1: a little bit more about that. We all know the
30:24
Speaker 1: story about Acosta at this point. The cudgel has been
30:27
Speaker 1: used to bust that dude open, and rightfully so, But
30:31
Speaker 1: is that where we want to stop. For me, it's
30:34
Speaker 1: not good enough because I know that Acosta isn't the
30:37
Speaker 1: man who signed off on this bill. Cosby had his
30:40
Speaker 1: sexual assault conviction overturned in twenty twenty one for similar reasons.
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Speaker 1: Mark Epstein pointed out Epstein's Florida agreement had been repeatedly
30:50
Speaker 1: upheld by federal courts. Look, there's no doubt that if
30:53
Speaker 1: Epstein didn't die, he would have had a chance to
30:55
Speaker 1: beat that once again because of this stupid ass non
30:59
Speaker 1: prosecutor deal that he was gifted by his pals in
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Speaker 1: the US government. So why would he kill himself if
31:06
Speaker 1: he thought that he was going to get off and
31:08
Speaker 1: not only thought that he was going to get off,
31:10
Speaker 1: A had the money to hire the lawyers to get
31:13
Speaker 1: him to that point, and B he had the ace
31:16
Speaker 1: in the whole of the non prosecution agreement. So nothing
31:19
Speaker 1: lines up with him being suicidal. We haven't heard anything
31:23
Speaker 1: about that from anyone, including the psychologists that talked to him.
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Speaker 1: Mark Epstein told Insider he built his wealth independently from
31:32
Speaker 1: his brother, founding his silk screening business before pivoting to
31:36
Speaker 1: real estate with OSA Properties, which at one point reportedly
31:40
Speaker 1: owned hundreds of apartments in New York City. At least
31:44
Speaker 1: one Mark epstein Upper East Side building, however, includes multiple
31:48
Speaker 1: links to his brother. Mark has said he purchased it
31:51
Speaker 1: from the business magnate Leslie Wexner. His brother's longtime patron.
31:56
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein used about a dozen apartments in the building,
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Speaker 1: which he used a house at least one of his
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Speaker 1: sex trafficking victims, as well as his private pilots while
32:05
Speaker 1: they were staying in New York. According to testimony at
32:09
Speaker 1: Glene Maxwell's trial, right before Epstein died, his lawyers were
32:13
Speaker 1: preparing to appeal a judge's decision to deny him Belle
32:17
Speaker 1: they had prepared a bond package valued at one hundred
32:21
Speaker 1: million dollars. And this is the building on E sixty first,
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Speaker 1: and it's a building that still holds a lot of questions.
32:29
Speaker 1: And I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but
32:31
Speaker 1: if we would have had Rico here, all of these
32:34
Speaker 1: questions about who was involved financially would have already been answered.
32:38
Speaker 1: So you can see why the SDN Y didn't have
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Speaker 1: the backbone or the kones to.
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Speaker 2: Go after a Rico charge.
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Speaker 1: Mark Epstein agreed to guarantee the whole thing, he told Insider,
32:51
Speaker 1: meaning he lose that amount of money if his brother
32:53
Speaker 1: tried to flee authorities. If you get bell, you're going
32:57
Speaker 1: to be home for a year under house arrest, with
32:59
Speaker 1: an ankle brace, armed guards, video cameras, whatever the conditions were.
33:03
Speaker 1: But he'll be in his house. Mark Epstein said, so
33:07
Speaker 1: why kill yourself then? And he's not wrong. There are
33:11
Speaker 1: a lot of questions here that are not answered in
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Speaker 1: a manner that is acceptable by the DOJ, the Bureau
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Speaker 1: of Prisons, and the Department of Justice itself. There are
33:25
Speaker 1: still unanswered questions about Epstein's body. It's not clear to
33:29
Speaker 1: what extent the Inspector General's Office has tried to retrace
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's last days. Michael Bawden, the forensic pathologist who
33:37
Speaker 1: sits on a commission that reviews all inmate deaths in
33:40
Speaker 1: New York State controlled prisons in jails, told insider that
33:44
Speaker 1: investigators haven't interviewed him, Mark Epstein, Weinberg, and Schowen, who
33:50
Speaker 1: said he has full confidence in Horowitz, all spoke to
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein not long before his death and said they
33:56
Speaker 1: haven't been interviewed by the Inspector General's Office either.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad they have confidence. I don't.
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Speaker 1: I'll go on record saying that anyone who's out here
34:05
Speaker 1: acting like they're going to police the police if you will,
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Speaker 1: I don't buy it. I just don't buy it. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: A person close to Glenn Maxwell, who is serving a
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Speaker 1: twenty year prison sentence, said the Inspector General's Office never
34:20
Speaker 1: requested an interview with her about the investigation into Epstein's death.
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Speaker 1: Boden still has lingering questions about the state of Epstein's body.
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Speaker 1: Christin Roman, the New York City medical examiner who conducted
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Speaker 1: the autopsy, couldn't come to a conclusion and listed the
34:37
Speaker 1: manner of death as pending further study. Biden claims Roman
34:42
Speaker 1: told him at the time that she wanted to learn
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Speaker 1: more about the circumstances of Epstein's death before making a
34:48
Speaker 1: final determination, and that's what you should do. A whole
34:52
Speaker 1: lass investigation, just don't write something down. To write it down.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't clear yet what the findings were at the
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Speaker 1: because he was brought out of the cell many hours
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Speaker 1: after he died, when nobody had seen him. Boden said,
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Speaker 1: we didn't know at the time, and we still don't
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Speaker 1: know how the two guards found him, whether he was hanging,
35:13
Speaker 1: whether he had a ligature around his neck, because nobody
35:15
Speaker 1: else saw the scene. And speaking of the ligature, why
35:19
Speaker 1: would he use the bedcloth and not use the sleep
35:22
Speaker 1: apne accord. Wouldn't that make more sense if you're trying
35:26
Speaker 1: to kill yourself. New York City's chief medical examiner at
35:30
Speaker 1: the time, Barbara Sampson, sidestepped Roman and ruled the debt
35:34
Speaker 1: of suicide a few days later, saying she reviewed additional evidence.
35:39
Speaker 1: She didn't disclose what the additional evidence was, but CBS
35:42
Speaker 1: News reported that one of the elements was Epstein's prior
35:46
Speaker 1: suicide attempt. Roman didn't respond to Insider's requests for comment.
35:51
Speaker 1: Now again, the cynic in me says, well, did you
35:54
Speaker 1: put Tartaglioni in that cell with him so that you
35:57
Speaker 1: could set precedent that Epstein was so called suicidal when
36:02
Speaker 1: nobody else had heard anything about it. So let's put
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Speaker 1: this big ass quadruple murderer in a cell with Jeffrey
36:08
Speaker 1: Epstein to tell Jeffrey Epstein that we could get to
36:12
Speaker 1: him whenever we want, and he should just do the
36:15
Speaker 1: right thing and kill himself. Now, look, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if that happened either, but to me, that seems to
36:20
Speaker 1: be the most likeliest scenario that could have played out here.
36:25
Speaker 1: All of the coincidences that led up to Jeffrey Epstein's
36:28
Speaker 1: death must be explained one by one. According to Boden,
36:33
Speaker 1: certain features of Epstein's dead body lined up more with
36:36
Speaker 1: homicide than suicide. His neck bones were fractured in three
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Speaker 1: different places in a way you'd expect from strangling, he said.
36:45
Speaker 1: The hemorrhages in his eyes two were more consistent with
36:48
Speaker 1: strangling than hanging, according to Boden, and the ligature marks
36:52
Speaker 1: on Epstein's neck didn't look like they'd come from the
36:55
Speaker 1: bedsheet found in his cell. Boden said the ligatures on
36:59
Speaker 1: the do not match the marks on the neck. Boden said,
37:03
Speaker 1: a smooth sheet leaves a smooth mark on the neck.
37:06
Speaker 1: This one has a pattern. There's a pattern on the skin.
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Speaker 1: A good forensic pathologist, Boden said, would take into account
37:14
Speaker 1: everything about the circumstances of a subject's death, but the
37:18
Speaker 1: public is still missing key details, such as whether inmates
37:22
Speaker 1: could move freely between their cells within the tier and
37:25
Speaker 1: how the cells were locked. Epstein's body was also moved
37:29
Speaker 1: after he was found dead. Boden said he still wants
37:33
Speaker 1: to make a final determination about Epstein's death. As I
37:37
Speaker 1: sit here, I still don't know what position he was
37:39
Speaker 1: found in, Boden told Insider. And you would think that
37:42
Speaker 1: they'd make that available to somebody like doctor Boden, who
37:46
Speaker 1: has been brought in by the family. But no stonewalling
37:50
Speaker 1: at every turn. Epstein's accusers want answers from the DOJ.
37:55
Speaker 1: The silence from the DOJ has disappointed Epstein's victims, many
37:59
Speaker 1: of whom believe his death is yet another example of
38:03
Speaker 1: how the federal government failed them in holding the serial
38:06
Speaker 1: child rapist to account. Attorneys who have collectively represented more
38:11
Speaker 1: than eighty of Epstein's accusers told Insider they were disappointed
38:15
Speaker 1: and puzzled by the lack of transparency. Lisa Bloom, an
38:19
Speaker 1: attorney who represented eight of Epstein's accusers, told Insider that
38:23
Speaker 1: the silence only leads to distrust among accusers society as
38:28
Speaker 1: a whole. Who the hell believes anything that these people
38:31
Speaker 1: are saying to us when they can't even be transparent
38:34
Speaker 1: about this. In twenty nineteen, he was allowed to take
38:38
Speaker 1: his own life to escape justice. Maybe that's what happened,
38:41
Speaker 1: she said, And now more than three years later, victims
38:45
Speaker 1: do not even get the simple courtesy of a final report.
38:49
Speaker 1: This breeds resentment and distrust. What is the government hiding?
38:53
Speaker 1: It is remarkable that now literally years later, the Justice
38:57
Speaker 1: Department has yet to release its report. Paul Cassel, an
39:01
Speaker 1: attorney who sought to invalidate Epstein's non prosecution agreement, told
39:05
Speaker 1: Insider this blatant lack of transparency will only lead to
39:09
Speaker 1: further speculation about how exactly Epstein died. And if you
39:14
Speaker 1: want to get rid of all of that, the surefire
39:17
Speaker 1: way to do it is provide evidence, real evidence of
39:21
Speaker 1: what went down, a full on congressional hearing, whatever, but
39:25
Speaker 1: full transparency, nothing redacted, and everything out there in the
39:29
Speaker 1: light for the people to see. Some of the attorneys
39:34
Speaker 1: said the secrecy may lead to victims of abuse thinking
39:37
Speaker 1: twice before going to authorities. There is no good reason
39:41
Speaker 1: this investigation has taken this long. Brad Edwards, who represented
39:45
Speaker 1: more than fifty of Epstein's accusers, said the victims in
39:48
Speaker 1: the public were made strong promises with the pure motive
39:52
Speaker 1: were easy to uphold. The lack of transparency raises suspicions
39:56
Speaker 1: about who is protecting whom or what. Again, he is
40:00
Speaker 1: not wrong. I just want to know the truth, whatever
40:04
Speaker 1: it is. If he killed himself, that's fine, Okay, we
40:07
Speaker 1: need to fix the issues that led to that.
40:10
Speaker 2: But if he didn't kill.
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Speaker 1: Himself, well, that opens up a whole other ass can
40:14
Speaker 1: of worms. Adam Horowitz, an attorney who represented aid of
40:20
Speaker 1: Epstein's accusers and has no relation to Michael Horowitz, told
40:24
Speaker 1: Insider the lack of information will deter other suffering crime
40:28
Speaker 1: victims from coming forward. Mark Epstein wanted to file a
40:32
Speaker 1: wrongful death lawsuit against the Bureau of Prisons, but said
40:36
Speaker 1: he was blocked by the executors of Jeffrey Epstein's estate.
40:40
Speaker 1: He believes a lawsuit would be a slam dunk case
40:43
Speaker 1: that might have generated answers. An attorney for the estate
40:46
Speaker 1: executors didn't respond to Insider's request for comment. Of course,
40:51
Speaker 1: they didn't they're busy pilfering whatever's left of the estate.
40:56
Speaker 1: Fine told Insider the Inspector General's office may be taking
40:59
Speaker 1: a long time because it's been extraordinarily thorough. I don't
41:03
Speaker 1: buy that for a minute. Sorry three years. You have
41:05
Speaker 1: the whole Last Russia report out very quickly, but this
41:08
Speaker 1: takes three years. I'm not buying any of that. I
41:13
Speaker 1: would like to think the OIG would be assessing the
41:16
Speaker 1: entire situation. Fine said, whether it was just a suicide
41:20
Speaker 1: and if so, ha did it happen? I would expect
41:22
Speaker 1: there to be a full report on this, and maybe
41:25
Speaker 1: that's why it's taking a long time. Alrich said the
41:28
Speaker 1: Inspector General's office should at the very least give accusers
41:32
Speaker 1: a timeframe for the results of the investigation and be
41:35
Speaker 1: told whether it will be made public. They were denied
41:39
Speaker 1: their day in court to confront Jeffrey Epstein because of
41:42
Speaker 1: his death. She said they should not be denied the
41:45
Speaker 1: results of the investigation by the Inspector General. And I
41:50
Speaker 1: agree one thousand percent. This sham of an investigation by
41:54
Speaker 1: the Inspector General is exactly that, a sham. The whole
41:58
Speaker 1: entire thing has been a shit, and it continues to
42:01
Speaker 1: be that. Until they show us with certainty what went
42:05
Speaker 1: down in that geil cell, and until they do that
42:08
Speaker 1: and provide the receipts to back up their account, people
42:12
Speaker 1: are gonna have questions and guess what they should because
42:16
Speaker 1: the narrative that we're being sold does not make any sense.
42:20
Speaker 1: All right, everybody that's gonna do it for me. All
42:23
Speaker 1: of the information that goes with this episode can be
42:26
Speaker 1: found in the description box.