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A Daughter’s Revenge - Jennifer Pan · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to Legally Brunette. I'll be your host
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Speaker 1: today Emily Simpson with.
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Speaker 2: Shane With Shane.
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Speaker 1: Okay, today we are going to get into This is
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Speaker 1: a case that was on Netflix and I know you
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Speaker 1: watched it.
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Speaker 2: Which one is it?
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Speaker 1: It is the Jennifer Pan Story.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched that along a while ago.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting and also it coincides with an
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Speaker 1: episode we did earlier, so I thought it was a
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Speaker 1: good time to kind of get into it. So we
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Speaker 1: have three mass men, a quiet suburban house, a family
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Speaker 1: of sleep upstairs, and within minutes, a mother would be dead,
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Speaker 1: a father would be fighting for his life, and a
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Speaker 1: daughter would be left behind, bound but remarkably unharmed. When
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Pan called nine to one one that night, she
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Speaker 1: described herself as another terrified victim. Her story was horrifying.
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Speaker 1: Strangers had broken into her home, murdered her mother, shot
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Speaker 1: her father, and left her tied up. But investigators would
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Speaker 1: soon discover something that didn't fit. So what really happened
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Speaker 1: and inside the Pan family home on that November night,
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Speaker 1: was Jennifer a daughter caught in a horrific home invasion?
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Speaker 1: Or had she helped orchestrate the entire thing.
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Speaker 2: Dune dun dum.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into this is in Ontario. I
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Speaker 1: believe this is in Canada.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Ontario, California.
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Speaker 1: No, this is in Ontario, Canada. So let's do a
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Speaker 1: little background on Jennifer Pan and her family. So Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Pan lived with her parents, Big Hawpan and hand Pan.
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Speaker 1: So big Hawpan is the mother and hand Pan is
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Speaker 1: the father. And they lived in Markham, Ontario, which community
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Speaker 1: investigators described as a very family oriented, relatively low crime area.
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Speaker 1: Okay until now, until now, Jennifer's parents were very strict
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Speaker 1: and had very high expectations for their daughter, particularly when
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Speaker 1: it came to her education and future career. I just
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Speaker 1: want to talk about this for a second because I
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Speaker 1: watched the documentary and they interviewed some other you know, younger.
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Speaker 1: They're Vietnamese and they I believe they emigrated here, and
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Speaker 1: I just want to to me it reminded me just culturally,
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Speaker 1: because they interviewed another young man that had known Jennifer,
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Speaker 1: and he talked about he was Vietnamese, and he talked
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Speaker 1: about how in their culture you either become a doctor,
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Speaker 1: a lawyer, or right establish career right, and it reminded
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Speaker 1: me of you because you're Persian. No, and I believe
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Speaker 1: and it's saying like culturally, it's it's very similar, right yeah,
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Speaker 1: because every well the Persians are doctors, lawyers, and I
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Speaker 1: mean engineers or whatever. But the expectation on your culture
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Speaker 1: is that you're educated and that you become doctors and lawyers.
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Speaker 1: Right yeah, well no, it is because your mother's Persian
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Speaker 1: Ya and her expectation was that you were a doctor
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Speaker 1: or a lawyer. Is that not true?
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Speaker 3: I think the expectations I was rich, however I accomplish that.
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but if you told your mom you were
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Speaker 1: going to be rich because you were going to be
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Speaker 1: a car mechanic.
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Speaker 3: If I said I have a great idea for bumper stickers, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to be a millionaire, yeah, and probably wouldn't
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Speaker 3: go over so exactly that I said.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be a YouTuber. Yeah, right, Like when
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Speaker 2: our boy.
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Speaker 3: Says he wants to be a YouTuber when he grows up, Luke,
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Speaker 3: what do you have to say about that?
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Speaker 1: Luke tells me all the time he wants to be
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Speaker 1: a YouTuber. You know what I say to him, I say,
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Speaker 1: that's great. Then you'd be the best YouTuber there is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he just means, watch YouTube all the time.
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Speaker 1: Is that what he means for a YouTuber?
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Speaker 2: Me the greatest YouTube watcher ever.
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Speaker 1: Jennifer's parents were strict and had high expectations for their daughter,
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Speaker 1: particularly when it came to her education and future career.
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Speaker 1: Jennifer was an accomplished pianist. Her longtime piano teacher were
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Speaker 1: called that her parents invested heavily in her lessons and
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Speaker 1: closely monitored her schedule, dropping her off and picking her
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Speaker 1: up immediately afterward. She was somewhat of a prodigy when
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Speaker 1: it came to the piano. Her piano tea said that
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Speaker 1: she was insanely good. She started when she was four,
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Speaker 1: I believe, and won lots and lots of competitions, so
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Speaker 1: she was very gifted and piano. Jennifer later admitted that
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Speaker 1: she had been lying to her parents about her education
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Speaker 1: for years, including pretending that she was attending university and
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Speaker 1: creating false documents to support that story.
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Speaker 3: You know, I should open up a fake school and
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Speaker 3: be like, Hey, you don't want to go to school,
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Speaker 3: but you want to look like you go. Yeah, apply
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Speaker 3: to my university. I send them like some old textbooks.
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Speaker 3: I could say, you know, they could apply to classes.
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Speaker 3: I could build them, you know, and charge their credit card,
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Speaker 3: you know, some tuition.
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Speaker 2: Maybe give them a kickback a little bit, you know,
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Speaker 2: for applying.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because apparently there's a market for this stuff. Well
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Speaker 3: want to spouses that they're in school.
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Speaker 1: You could create fake documents, and as we learned in
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Speaker 1: earlier episodes, if they want to look like someone else,
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Speaker 1: they could just send their photos in and you could
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Speaker 1: create a mask so they could be someone else as
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Speaker 1: well as faking their education.
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Speaker 3: Alternatives to murder is what we should really be right
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Speaker 3: offering these people.
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Speaker 1: So Jennifer said, this isn't an interrogation, later that she
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Speaker 1: was interested in studying kinesiology. It's a scientific study of
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Speaker 1: human movement. Her father wanted her to pursue a more
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Speaker 1: prestigious career in pharmacy. Initially they would have wanted her
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Speaker 1: to be a doctor, but she says in an interrogation
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Speaker 1: that her father knew she couldn't handle like blood and
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Speaker 1: being a doctor, so drugs, So he said, okay, then
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Speaker 1: you should be a pharmacist drug dealer. Jennifer had also
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Speaker 1: been in an on and off relationship with Daniel Danny
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Speaker 1: Wong for roughly six years, and Danny later told police
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Speaker 1: that Jennifer's parents disapproved of him because he worked at
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Speaker 1: a pizza restaurant. Well, he was also a drug dealer too,
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Speaker 1: So I don't know if the parents knew.
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Speaker 3: About that, but more about the drugs was probably a
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Speaker 3: problem than the pizza.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So let's talk about the night of
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Speaker 1: the murder. So this happened on November eighth, twenty ten.
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Speaker 1: This is the Pan family home invasion. And so the
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Speaker 1: mother Bick had been out line dancing that evening, and
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Speaker 1: this was something that she regularly did. I answer, she
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Speaker 1: likes line dancing. I get it. I love country Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of line dancing, but I
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Speaker 1: like country line dancing. It's one of my favorite things
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Speaker 1: to do. So after the mom arrived back home, she
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Speaker 1: was I believe she was soaking her feet from dancing
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Speaker 1: and she was sitting on the couch and she had
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Speaker 1: her feet.
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Speaker 2: So the downstairs family room, right, So after she.
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Speaker 1: Arrived home, three armed and masked men entered the Pan
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Speaker 1: family home in Markham. According to Jennifer, Bick and Hann
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Speaker 1: were taken to another area of the house by the intruders,
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Speaker 1: and she was tied to a banister upstairs. Now, the
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Speaker 1: dad was asleep. He went to bed early that night.
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Speaker 1: I believe he went to bed at like eight thirty
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Speaker 1: and he was in bed. The mom had come home
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Speaker 1: from line dancing and she was sitting on the couch
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Speaker 1: with her feet soaking. According to Jennifer, because she's presenting
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Speaker 1: as a victim.
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Speaker 2: Right, she was present during the invasion.
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Speaker 1: She claims that that she was tied to a banister upstairs.
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Speaker 1: Her claims that she managed to call nine one despite
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Speaker 1: having her arms tied behind her back, and she was
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Speaker 1: hysterical on the call, telling the operator that she heard
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Speaker 1: loud gunshots. You can hear her father hand screaming in
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Speaker 1: the background.
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Speaker 2: She was tied to something.
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Speaker 1: She was tied to the banister upstairs. She claims in
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Speaker 1: her interrogation video or her interview, whatever you want to
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Speaker 1: call it, that she was restrained with her hands behind
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Speaker 1: her back, and that one of her arms was attached
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Speaker 1: to the banister.
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Speaker 3: Right Yet she managed to have a phone and call
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Speaker 3: right which they asked her to demonstrate.
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Speaker 1: Did you have you did you see that?
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Speaker 3: I don't remember that, but I've seen that in cases
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Speaker 3: where cops, like shady cops or dirty cops, are like,
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Speaker 3: you know, trying to explain something and then they're like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 3: show us how it was done, and I can't do
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Speaker 3: it because it doesn't make any sense. Right.
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Speaker 1: So when she was in I believe it is either
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Speaker 1: her second no, I think it might have been her
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Speaker 1: third interview with the police. They said, well, if your
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Speaker 1: hands are tied, how did you call nine one one?
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Speaker 1: You demonstrate and so you see her.
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Speaker 2: Like, I know you're a great piano player, but something else.
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Speaker 1: So the mother was killed that night hand. The father survived,
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Speaker 1: despite suffering a devastating gunshot wound. It went through the
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Speaker 1: front of his face and then I believe it went
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Speaker 1: right by his nose and then came out the.
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Speaker 2: Back of his head one shot.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was one shot to the face. He
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Speaker 1: was airlifted to the hospital and placed in a medically
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Speaker 1: induced coma. Initially, Jennifer appeared to be the only surviving
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Speaker 1: eyewitness to the attack, and her mother's final words were
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Speaker 1: later reported to have been a plea for the attackers
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Speaker 1: not to hurt her daughter. Which is so sad that
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Speaker 1: that's the last thing that she said that she said
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Speaker 1: to the three attackers to the.
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Speaker 2: Daughter to hurt her was the name of the Netflix special.
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Speaker 1: I'm what Jennifer did.
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Speaker 2: What Jennifer did?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So they bring Jennifer in. At first,
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Speaker 1: you know, they talk about how they interview you know,
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Speaker 1: the police detectives and how they had so much sympathy
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Speaker 1: for her in the beginning, right right, because they're like,
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Speaker 1: you know, this, this young girl is traumatized. She saw
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Speaker 1: her mom murdered, her dad's you know, shot in the face.
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Speaker 1: They you know, tied her up. Then as they start
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Speaker 1: to investigate further and they start to question her, they're
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Speaker 1: obviously more questions than answers, right, and they're starting to
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Speaker 1: think that this is not right. Then they find out
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Speaker 1: that Jennifer had an ex boyfriend named Danny who was
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Speaker 1: a drug dealer and had had issues with police.
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Speaker 2: He was a pizza chef, well he was a pizza.
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Speaker 1: Chef by Slash, and he had had trouble with police.
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Speaker 1: He had been arrested, I believe for possession and trafficking.
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Speaker 1: So when that came on their radar, they immediately start
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Speaker 1: to right, So they bring Danny in. Danny told investigators
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Speaker 1: that he and Jennifer broke up approximately two years before
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Speaker 1: for the attack. He said Jennifer had wanted to continue
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Speaker 1: on with their relationship, but he decided against it, and
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Speaker 1: he claims that he was dating another woman named Christine.
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Speaker 3: We've find a better one over here. I'm not dealing
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Speaker 3: with her anymore.
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Speaker 1: Despite the breakup, Jennifer and Danny remained in contact. Jennifer
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Speaker 1: later said her father had forced her to choose between
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Speaker 1: Danny and her family. She claimed that she chose her parents,
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Speaker 1: but secretly continued communicating with Danny. After her parents discovered
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Speaker 1: the continued contact, Jennifer said that they took away her
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Speaker 1: phone and her father began driving her places so that
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Speaker 1: he could keep an eye on her at all times.
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Speaker 1: Jennifer's piano teacher, who they interviewed in this documentary, also
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Speaker 1: recalled her breaking down during a lesson and saying that
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Speaker 1: her parents did not trust her and that she wanted
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Speaker 1: to be with her boyfriend. You know, when they bring
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Speaker 1: Danny Wong in and they interview him, Mike, I always
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Speaker 1: sit there and think, no nobody asked for an attorney.
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Speaker 1: I know everyone just wants to answer questions because they
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Speaker 1: don't want to look.
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Speaker 2: Cast attorney means you're guilty, Not really, but it does ask.
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Speaker 1: For an attorney. Ask for an attorney, don't ever let
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Speaker 1: I don't care that, but asking for an attorney cannot
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Speaker 1: be used against you in court, right, So if you
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Speaker 1: say I'm not answering any questions and i want an attorney,
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Speaker 1: that can't even be repeated in court.
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Speaker 3: In court, it would just go straight into whatever, the testimony,
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Speaker 3: interrogation or whatever. So no one the jury isn't supposed
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Speaker 3: to sit there and think, wait, they asked for an attorney.
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Speaker 3: They didn't just speak freely. So it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: Because I sit there and I watch him as they're
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Speaker 1: questioning him, and he literally is answering questions that are
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Speaker 1: giving a motive. Well, I mean, he's talking about how
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Speaker 1: they had this relationship but they were forced to break
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Speaker 1: up because the parents didn't approve of him, and that
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Speaker 1: the parents were strict and that they wouldn't let Jennifer
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Speaker 1: date him. And I'm like, he's literally sitting there giving
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Speaker 1: them the motive right now, and never ask for an
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Speaker 1: attorney before the shooting happened. This is during Danny's interrogation.
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Speaker 1: He claims that both he and Jennifer had received strange
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Speaker 1: calls from anonymous numbers, where someone would remain silent for
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Speaker 1: several seconds before then hanging up. He also reported receiving
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Speaker 1: threatening messages suggesting someone was watching him. One particularly alarming
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Speaker 1: message was sent before the shooting. I think this was
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Speaker 1: just a couple of days before the shooting occurred. He
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Speaker 1: received a text message that just said bang bang bang.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember that part, yeah, vaguely. But who did
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Speaker 2: it come from?
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Speaker 1: Well, they learned later that they think that like a
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Speaker 1: burner phone, that Jennifer was the one that was We
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Speaker 1: don't know who did it because he was dating this
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Speaker 1: new girl, Christine, So I think that she was just.
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Speaker 3: Props of the text from Jennifer to him bang bang bang.
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Speaker 2: This is before the murder.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, before the murder. He didn't know it was Jennifer.
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Speaker 1: They just said later on in the documentary that they
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Speaker 1: believed that it came that all the harassing phone calls
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Speaker 1: were coming from her, right but.
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Speaker 2: Oh harrah, okay, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Like she was threatening and harassing. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: she was. I can't believe that she was smart enough
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Speaker 1: to try to set up a distraction that there was
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Speaker 1: someone else that was harassing them, and that's who committed
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Speaker 1: the murders, because whenever she's interrogated by the police, she
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Speaker 1: just answers the questions and sets herself up. So she's
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Speaker 1: not very bright. So it's hard for me to believe
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Speaker 1: that she was sending these threatening messages and the bang
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Speaker 1: Bang Bang text in order to create a distraction that
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Speaker 1: there's someone else that was harassing them, because then she
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Speaker 1: texts freely with homeboy, and Homeboy is the one who
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Speaker 1: is the you know that she hired to assassinate her parents.
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Speaker 1: We'll get into that a little bit more so. Detective
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Speaker 1: Randy Slade interviewed Jennifer about her recollection of that night.
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Speaker 1: Jennifer said her mother had prepared dinner before leaving to
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Speaker 1: go line dancing. After that, she later went to her bedroom,
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Speaker 1: watched television, and spoke with a friend on the phone.
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Speaker 1: According to Jennifer, her mom returned home at approximately nine
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Speaker 1: thirty pm and called for hand to come downstairs. Jennifer
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Speaker 1: claimed that when she came out of her bedroom, a
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Speaker 1: man approached her from behind, threatened her with a gun,
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Speaker 1: and tied her arms behind her back. And this is upstairs,
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Speaker 1: so we have to remember that She's claiming that she
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Speaker 1: was tied to the banister upstairs in the hall. She
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Speaker 1: said the men then brought her downstairs and demanded money
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Speaker 1: from the family. Jennifer claimed that the intruders questioned her
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Speaker 1: mom about money. According to Jennifer's account, the men eventually
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Speaker 1: took her parents away from her, after which she heard
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Speaker 1: the gunshots. Jennifer was extremely emotional throughout the interview and
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Speaker 1: at times struggled to speak. She described the intruders as
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Speaker 1: black men. Jennifer told police that her parents were not
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Speaker 1: extraordinarily wealthy, but owned expensive vehicles, including a Mercedes and Alexis.
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Speaker 1: While reviewing crime scene photographs, investigators noted that several valuables
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Speaker 1: had been left behind, raising questions about whether robb ever
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Speaker 1: do that actual motive.
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Speaker 2: They never steal.
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Speaker 3: I know, it's a cash grab, muscle grab something on
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Speaker 3: your way out.
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Speaker 1: I know. I always wonder why people take the time
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Speaker 1: to stage it to look like a robbery where they
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Speaker 1: open the drawers and they throw stuff around, but they
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Speaker 1: don't actually they don't actually.
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Speaker 2: Take something, gets something on the way out right.
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Speaker 1: Victim Lee is on Officer Detective Deborah Gladding met with
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Speaker 1: Jennifer shortly after her first interview. This is when they
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Speaker 1: still feel sorry for her. At this point. I remember
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Speaker 1: they interview Detective Deborah Gladding and she talks about how
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Speaker 1: she can't imagine what Jennifer was going through to have,
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: Lost a mother in such a traumatic way.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: A victim liaison officer in Canada is a designated official
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Speaker 1: who supports and guides victims of crime or service offenses
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Speaker 1: through the justice system. So, depending on the context, they
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Speaker 1: provide case updates, explain legal rights, and act as a
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Speaker 1: bridge between the victim and the authority. So that's who
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Speaker 1: she was. She was there, she was present during her interviews,
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Speaker 1: and I believe she drove her home after her interviews.
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Speaker 1: My question was when she drove her home. Did she
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Speaker 1: drive her home to? Was she still staying at the same.
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Speaker 2: Home, like the home that Selmon grabbed some pizza on
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Speaker 2: the way home? Can you drop me off right hair?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: But then did she go home to the house where
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Speaker 1: her parents were murdered.
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Speaker 2: And she was the place to see your boyfriend?
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Speaker 1: She's just sleeping in the home or her I don't
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Speaker 1: know she died, and it's probably it's likely they have
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Speaker 1: family too.
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Speaker 2: She could have stayed at aunt Tells room.
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Speaker 1: Although Jennifer initially appeared to be another victim of a
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Speaker 1: violent home invasion, investigators began noticing details that did not
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Speaker 1: entirely fit a typical robbery. They obtained footage from a
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Speaker 1: neighbor's security camera that showed three men entering the home
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Speaker 1: through the front door. This confirmed there was no forced entry.
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Speaker 3: Plus, like I'm guessing the video shows them going straight
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Speaker 3: to the front door and walking directly and it's not
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Speaker 3: like they they're walking around the properties looking in the windows,
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Speaker 3: like they knew the door was the front door and
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Speaker 3: it was unlocked. Right.
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Speaker 1: Also, they started questioning why was Jennifer left alive? If
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Speaker 1: you're going to murder two of the people, why would
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Speaker 1: you leave a witness alive?
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Speaker 2: Why would you leave Yeah, why would you kill two
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Speaker 2: out of three?
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Speaker 1: Right? So, a family friend, her name's Wang Nong, later
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Speaker 1: recalled being unable to understand why anyone would want to
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Speaker 1: kill Bick, describing the Pan family as welcoming and hospitable.
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Speaker 1: After roughly six hours of canvassing the neighborhood, investigators received
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Speaker 1: information about Jennifer's former boyfriend, Danny Wong and his past
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Speaker 1: involvement with drug dealing, so that was really the first
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Speaker 1: tip that came in. They were canvassing in the neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: They didn't have much information. They didn't know who these
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Speaker 1: people were, you know. They thought Jennifer was the victim.
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Speaker 1: They felt badly for her. They didn't really know what
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Speaker 1: the motive was. They didn't seem like, you know, this
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Speaker 1: family had a lot of money, so they didn't know
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Speaker 1: why they would, you know.
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Speaker 2: But then someone has a shady pass, right.
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Speaker 1: So the police interviewed Danny Wong after they get this
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Speaker 1: tip that he dated. He was an ex boyfriend of Jennifer,
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Speaker 1: and they questioned Danny about his whereabouts during the shooting,
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Speaker 1: and he said that he had been sleeping. He acknowledged
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Speaker 1: dealing drugs in the past, but claimed that he stopped
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Speaker 1: after being caught for possession and trafficking. I like how,
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Speaker 1: he told the police that when he was like, I've
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Speaker 1: been I've been arrested in the past for trafficking and possession,
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Speaker 1: but I don't do that.
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Speaker 2: I stopped right after that.
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Speaker 1: Danny described Jennifer as his ex girlfriend and explained their
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Speaker 1: complicated history. He also told detectives about his current girlfriend, Christine.
18:37
Speaker 1: Danny said he and Jennifer still occasionally communicated to check
18:40
Speaker 1: in with each other, and he also told investigators about
18:43
Speaker 1: the strange calls and threatening messages that had been occurring
18:47
Speaker 1: right before the shooting. Again, when I watched his interview,
18:50
Speaker 1: I just sat there and thought, you just answer all
18:54
Speaker 1: these questions and gave the police the motive as to why,
18:58
Speaker 1: you know, the parents were killed there because he talks
19:00
Speaker 1: about how they wouldn't let Jennifer date him because he
19:05
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, educated enough, and and how upset she
19:11
Speaker 1: was by that, and how the dad did everything possible
19:13
Speaker 1: to keep him apart, and things like that. So Jennifer
19:16
Speaker 1: comes in for a second interview, and investigators interview Jennifer again,
19:20
Speaker 1: this time focusing more heavily on her personal life and her.
19:23
Speaker 2: Relationship with Danny. Jennifer.
19:25
Speaker 1: Again, Jennifer doesn't ask for an attorney. She answers all
19:28
Speaker 1: the questions.
19:29
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, this is how I see it. You're right,
19:32
Speaker 2: they don't ask for attorney. Their idiots.
19:34
Speaker 3: But they also wouldn't come up with this plan if
19:40
Speaker 3: they didn't think they were going to get away with it.
19:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, but my question is why do they think they're
19:43
Speaker 1: going to get away with it because they're only smart
19:45
Speaker 1: enough to plan it out, and then they don't plan
19:48
Speaker 1: anything after.
19:49
Speaker 2: The final I know, well, then clearly they're numb nuts.
19:53
Speaker 3: But the point is clearly their mindset is just get
19:58
Speaker 3: it out. We plan it out, here's the pattern, and
20:03
Speaker 3: if we do this and this and this, we won't
20:05
Speaker 3: get caught. So then they just follow through on it.
20:07
Speaker 3: They think they won't get caught. That's kind of the
20:10
Speaker 3: problem with you know, prison time is supposed to be
20:14
Speaker 3: a deterrent, supposed to prevent you from committing a crime. Right,
20:18
Speaker 3: death penalty is supposed to prevent you from committing a crime.
20:22
Speaker 3: But people commit crimes thinking they're going to get away
20:24
Speaker 3: with it, right, so it doesn't matter. And then those
20:27
Speaker 3: that don't commit a crime thinking they're going to go
20:28
Speaker 3: away with it like it's in the heat of passion,
20:30
Speaker 3: like that's in the moment, right, like they're an opportunity.
20:33
Speaker 1: They're not thinking about a deterrent. Yes, yeah, they're not
20:36
Speaker 1: thinking about it. If I kill someone right now in
20:38
Speaker 1: this moment when I'm really really mad and heated, I
20:40
Speaker 1: could go to prison. So you're saying it's never actually
20:43
Speaker 1: a deterrent, and.
20:44
Speaker 3: I think so or I don't think so. But then
20:47
Speaker 3: also so it comes to this case where you're thinking, well,
20:51
Speaker 3: why don't they get attorney, why don't they do this
20:53
Speaker 3: because they think that they planned it out enough where
20:56
Speaker 3: they they're fine, they're going to get away with it.
20:58
Speaker 3: They tied me to the banister. Both my parents are dead, right,
21:02
Speaker 3: I used a burner phone.
21:06
Speaker 1: Jennifer described their six year relationship is difficult and admitted
21:09
Speaker 1: that she still had feelings for Danny. She also claimed
21:12
Speaker 1: Danny's new girlfriend, Christine, had been responsible for the threatening
21:16
Speaker 1: messages that Jennifer had received. Well, I guess she's trying
21:19
Speaker 1: to set up Christine, this new girlfriend, as the one
21:21
Speaker 1: that sent the crazy text messages. During that same interview,
21:25
Speaker 1: so we're in Jennifer's second interview, she admits that she
21:29
Speaker 1: had been deceiving her parents about attending university. This is
21:33
Speaker 1: when she contradicts herself, and this is why I never
21:35
Speaker 1: really could could know definitively whether her parents knew that
21:40
Speaker 1: she wasn't going to school or not, but she had.
21:43
Speaker 1: She admits that she had been faking going to the
21:47
Speaker 1: university as far as actually physically going and like taking
21:50
Speaker 1: a backpack, and then she said that she created word
21:52
Speaker 1: documents that would show grades and you know, certificates and
21:56
Speaker 1: things like that, and I guess and they.
21:58
Speaker 2: Believed it really hard at not working.
22:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what it made me because we did
22:02
Speaker 1: an episode not too long ago on that case out
22:04
Speaker 1: of Utah, which was Mark Hacking, and he ended up
22:06
Speaker 1: shooting his wife because she found out that he had
22:10
Speaker 1: pretended to go to university and then was pretending to
22:12
Speaker 1: go to medical school. And we had talked about how
22:15
Speaker 1: these people spend so much time and effort into pretending
22:19
Speaker 1: you could have just gone to class. I mean, it
22:21
Speaker 1: could have been.
22:22
Speaker 3: Less less stressful just to tell people you quit, or
22:26
Speaker 3: just to go, oh yeah.
22:29
Speaker 1: I mean you're I mean you're getting you're getting your
22:31
Speaker 1: backpack all packed up and getting in a car and
22:33
Speaker 1: going and sitting somewhere for eight hours to pretend that
22:36
Speaker 1: you went to class.
22:37
Speaker 2: Why not just sit in class?
22:39
Speaker 3: Well, because maybe they don't get accepted or they don't
22:42
Speaker 3: want to You're right, You're right.
22:45
Speaker 1: Jennifer maintained the life for years and fabricated documentation to
22:48
Speaker 1: convince her parents that she had completed her education. Her
22:52
Speaker 1: history of elaborate deception became increasingly important to investigators as
22:56
Speaker 1: they evaluated the credibility of her account. Can you imagine
23:00
Speaker 1: what this investigator, this police detective is thinking when he's
23:03
Speaker 1: asking her questions. And then she's like, Oh, yeah, I
23:06
Speaker 1: never I lied to my parents the whole time about
23:08
Speaker 1: going to university. I never actually was going. I was
23:11
Speaker 1: faking it. And then and he's like, well, how did
23:14
Speaker 1: you convince them? Well, I made all these fake documents
23:16
Speaker 1: on word, you know. And she's like, and I would
23:19
Speaker 1: go and sit there and pretend like I was in
23:21
Speaker 1: the class and then come home, and he's can you
23:24
Speaker 1: imagine as an investigator, like, what's going through your head
23:27
Speaker 1: when you're really you're investigating a murder and you think
23:29
Speaker 1: this girl is a victim that just saw her parents
23:33
Speaker 1: get shot by these horrible home invaders, and now you're
23:37
Speaker 1: just getting this information, just in real time, about what
23:41
Speaker 1: a deceptive person she is and how she's been leading
23:44
Speaker 1: these lives.
23:45
Speaker 2: And she contradicts herself in this interview.
23:47
Speaker 1: She says in the beginning that her parents didn't know
23:49
Speaker 1: about it, and then she says at the end of
23:51
Speaker 1: the interview that they did know because they wanted their
23:53
Speaker 1: money back that they had paid for the university. I guess. Also,
23:58
Speaker 1: she must have had financial aid, and then I don't
24:01
Speaker 1: know what she must have used the financial aid for
24:03
Speaker 1: other things, obviously as not going to school.
24:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, she had to buy a backpack, right, she had
24:09
Speaker 3: a fake going to school. She had to have work clothes.
24:13
Speaker 1: Detectives question the nine one one call, So investigators were
24:17
Speaker 1: puzzled as to how Jennifer could call nine one one
24:20
Speaker 1: while she was supposedly restrained. Because she says that her
24:23
Speaker 1: hands were tied behind her back and that she was
24:25
Speaker 1: also tied to a banister, they asked her to physically
24:28
Speaker 1: demonstrate how she made the call. That's my favorite thing
24:31
Speaker 1: when you have a video of an actual interrogation and
24:36
Speaker 1: then when the investigator says, oh, well, why don't you
24:39
Speaker 1: stand up and show us right now how you called
24:41
Speaker 1: nine one one with your hands tied behind your back
24:44
Speaker 1: and you're just watching it and you're thinking, what is
24:47
Speaker 1: she going to do?
24:48
Speaker 2: So what did she do? Well, she stood up, and.
24:50
Speaker 1: She put her hands behind her back, and then she
24:52
Speaker 1: put her cell phone in her back Jean's pocket, and
24:55
Speaker 1: then she pulled it out with one of her hands
24:57
Speaker 1: and then she like switched it over into her other hand. Well,
25:00
Speaker 1: she still kept her hands doable.
25:02
Speaker 3: It's just it wasn't likely that that was a scenario
25:06
Speaker 3: and that she had a phone.
25:07
Speaker 1: Then she said she called nine to one one, but
25:09
Speaker 1: her hand was down here because her hand was restrained, right.
25:14
Speaker 1: And then he's like, well, how did they hear you
25:16
Speaker 1: or how did you hear them? And then she said
25:19
Speaker 1: I think she said she said no, I could turn
25:21
Speaker 1: the volume, but she said she turned the volume on
25:25
Speaker 1: her phone.
25:26
Speaker 2: I have to tell you.
25:26
Speaker 3: So, this is one crime where this dirty cop, like
25:32
Speaker 3: he arrests some girl for she was drunk and you know,
25:36
Speaker 3: domestic some valid arrest. And he's driving her and there's
25:39
Speaker 3: cop cams, right, and she's kind of flirting with him,
25:42
Speaker 3: and he long story shore he ends up pulling over
25:44
Speaker 3: and then he hides. He pulls the car over somewhere,
25:47
Speaker 3: gets in the back seat with her, gets.
25:49
Speaker 2: It on right.
25:50
Speaker 1: What gets it on?
25:50
Speaker 3: Mean you know, little hanky pinky Okay, So then they
25:55
Speaker 3: they you know, enjoy.
25:56
Speaker 2: Each other's company.
25:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he can't get out of the cop car.
26:00
Speaker 3: Why because he's in the back seat and there's no
26:03
Speaker 3: door handles. Oh, he's stuck. Yes, So now he's trapped.
26:09
Speaker 2: He has no radio.
26:10
Speaker 1: No, nothing, he just has to sit in the back
26:13
Speaker 1: take it back.
26:13
Speaker 2: He had.
26:13
Speaker 3: He had a cell phone, so he calls his cop
26:18
Speaker 3: friend and was like, come get me. I'll explain when
26:22
Speaker 3: you get here. The cop comes, you can imagine what happened.
26:26
Speaker 3: The cop comes, they opened the car door and he's like, well,
26:27
Speaker 3: I have whatever. So now the next day they're investigating
26:31
Speaker 3: because it's an issue and they have to address it. Right,
26:34
Speaker 3: he was locked in the back seat with a with
26:37
Speaker 3: a girl with a detainee. So they're like, show us
26:41
Speaker 3: how it happened. Because he's like, oh, I I she was.
26:44
Speaker 3: She was complaining that she couldn't breathe, and so I
26:47
Speaker 3: pulled over in a dark alley. We're off the beaten bath, right,
26:51
Speaker 3: and I went in the back and then the.
26:53
Speaker 2: Door closed, Like, oh great, show us how it happened.
26:55
Speaker 2: He couldn't do it, and he's.
26:57
Speaker 3: Trying to use his foot to reach the door close
27:00
Speaker 3: the doors. If he accidentally shut the door, Yeah, it
27:03
Speaker 3: was terrible. Yeah he was fired, right, But that's so
27:07
Speaker 3: interesting to watch though. That's why when they asked her
27:09
Speaker 3: to show and.
27:10
Speaker 2: You're watching real time, I.
27:12
Speaker 1: Was like, is she she gonna be able to?
27:14
Speaker 2: Yeah?
27:14
Speaker 3: A lot of people in the landcoups be able to
27:16
Speaker 3: make a phone call, but it's just unlikely. I'm more
27:20
Speaker 3: skeptical of the fact that they tied her to a
27:22
Speaker 3: banister upstairs, away from the presence of the family, and
27:25
Speaker 3: shot her parents but not her, and they left her
27:29
Speaker 3: with a phone in her back pocket, and then they
27:31
Speaker 3: didn't take anything.
27:33
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27:57
Speaker 1: day five after the home invasion, her dad wakes up
28:00
Speaker 1: from his coma.
28:01
Speaker 2: The investigation dramatically changed five days later. So during this time,
28:05
Speaker 2: does she know he's alive?
28:07
Speaker 1: You know what that is? So that is my question.
28:09
Speaker 1: And I watched the whole documentary and I don't know
28:11
Speaker 1: if I missed it, but I don't know if they
28:14
Speaker 1: ever told her that her father was still alive.
28:18
Speaker 3: My understanding, my recollection, The impression I got was they
28:22
Speaker 3: did not tell her because when he woke up, he
28:26
Speaker 3: had relayed a different version of events.
28:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he doesn't wake up until five days later.
28:32
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, on day one through four, did they
28:35
Speaker 1: never relay the information to her that her dad did
28:38
Speaker 1: not die. Yeah, because they did not suspect her day one, right,
28:44
Speaker 1: I don't think it was until day two, day three.
28:46
Speaker 2: Day one, they.
28:47
Speaker 1: Thought she was a victim and they felt badly for her.
28:49
Speaker 1: So I'm saying maybe on day one after the home invasion,
28:53
Speaker 1: when they first questioned her, they feel bad for her.
28:55
Speaker 1: They think she's a victim. They're asking her questions, they're
28:58
Speaker 1: being very soft with her, and you know, it doesn't
29:01
Speaker 1: come up later until they get the tip about the
29:03
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, Danny Wong. So maybe during that time period,
29:07
Speaker 1: that first day, they let her know that her dad
29:09
Speaker 1: was still alive. So I don't know if she ever knew.
29:13
Speaker 1: The investigation dramatically changed when hand this is the dad
29:17
Speaker 1: survived his injuries and he emerged from his coma this
29:21
Speaker 1: is five days later. He told investigators that he had
29:24
Speaker 1: gone to bed early that night and was awakened by
29:27
Speaker 1: an armed man. He recalled being struck with a gun
29:30
Speaker 1: while Bick begged for her life. Most importantly, Hann provided
29:35
Speaker 1: an account of Jennifer's behavior that conflicted with her description
29:39
Speaker 1: of the home invasion. Hann told police that he saw
29:43
Speaker 1: Jennifer come downstairs with one of the intruders and she
29:47
Speaker 1: appeared to be interacting with him in a friendly manner,
29:51
Speaker 1: and that she had no restraints on her wrists. Oh yeah,
29:56
Speaker 1: so that was very That was like when I mean
29:59
Speaker 1: Danny Wallng was like a tip and the ex boyfriend.
30:01
Speaker 1: Now we know, the police know that she's been lying
30:03
Speaker 1: about going to you know, college, and that she's deceptive.
30:07
Speaker 1: But it's not until the dad wakes up from the
30:09
Speaker 1: coma and says he gives a different account of what happened.
30:12
Speaker 1: She's not tied up to a banister upstairs. She's actually
30:15
Speaker 1: walking downstairs friendly like friendly, yeah, the friendly with the characters. Yeah,
30:24
Speaker 1: And that she's not restrained.
30:26
Speaker 2: So because she believed he was going to be dead, right, right.
30:28
Speaker 1: Because she she thought that they killed both parents.
30:31
Speaker 3: That might have been what I remember then, So so
30:34
Speaker 3: she thinks he's dead or will die. So therefore she's
30:38
Speaker 3: not covering up her her actions, right, and she's just talking.
30:42
Speaker 2: To the killers and stuff. And now he's going to.
30:44
Speaker 1: Testify on so then on day nine, this is nine
30:48
Speaker 1: days after this home invasion hand the dad urged investigators
30:53
Speaker 1: to use their investigative techniques to determine, to quote, what
30:57
Speaker 1: Jennifer had done. The meet today fourteen, so this is
31:02
Speaker 1: two weeks later. This is Jennifer's third interview, and this
31:05
Speaker 1: time she's being interviewed by an investigator who specializes in
31:10
Speaker 1: truth verification techniques. It's still no attorney and still no attorney.
31:15
Speaker 1: She comes back for a third interview and this is
31:18
Speaker 1: a specialized investigator who specializes in truth verification.
31:23
Speaker 2: That would be a difficult person to be married to.
31:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, tru Yeah, what kind of what do you think?
31:30
Speaker 1: What kind of do you think? That's like an eight
31:31
Speaker 1: week course or something.
31:32
Speaker 2: That I'm skeptical already just by that title.
31:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, does it sound like junk science to you. Jennifer
31:40
Speaker 1: discussed the emotional impact of losing her relationship with Danny
31:44
Speaker 1: and said she felt as though part of herself was
31:46
Speaker 1: missing after their breakup. This is the investigator's name is
31:50
Speaker 1: Bill Gets. He's the truth verification specialist. Gets use deceptive
31:56
Speaker 1: interrogation tactics, which are permitted under Canadian law, to convince
32:01
Speaker 1: Jennifer that investigators possessed advanced technology that could expose what
32:06
Speaker 1: really happened inside the home.
32:08
Speaker 2: I don't like this. I'm gonna stop here. I don't
32:10
Speaker 2: like this.
32:10
Speaker 3: I don't like that you can lie, yeah, to try
32:13
Speaker 3: to get the truth, because the idea is, you know, say, oh,
32:16
Speaker 3: there's DNA evidence and you did it, and we have
32:19
Speaker 3: video proof, and then it's supposed to be well if
32:23
Speaker 3: they're if if they didn't do it, they wouldn't admit
32:26
Speaker 3: to it. If they didn't do it, they would say so,
32:29
Speaker 3: so you can lie to them all you want.
32:31
Speaker 1: I believe that's how you get false confessions too, is
32:34
Speaker 1: when you when you lie and say you have DNA evidence, so.
32:38
Speaker 3: You better fess up now and then we can make
32:40
Speaker 3: a deal. Oh geez, I better give in and hopefully
32:43
Speaker 3: not in prisons as long it's it's it's awful.
32:47
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, just to go back into an
32:49
Speaker 1: episode that we had done previously. If you haven't listened
32:51
Speaker 1: to this, this is when we interviewed Terrell Swift, which
32:53
Speaker 1: is a good friend of mine who is part of
32:56
Speaker 1: the Innocence Project, and he was exonerated eventually, but I
32:59
Speaker 1: think was wrongfully convicted. That they remember he was a minor,
33:05
Speaker 1: he had a false confession, and because of his case
33:09
Speaker 1: and him speaking on behalf of what happened to him
33:11
Speaker 1: as a miner, they did change the law in California
33:14
Speaker 1: where you can't use deceptive techniques with minors. And I
33:17
Speaker 1: believe they also have to have an attorney or somebody present,
33:20
Speaker 1: but they have tried.
33:21
Speaker 2: To to clean that up.
33:23
Speaker 3: I think it's a poor practice for law vesta law
33:27
Speaker 3: enforcement agencies.
33:31
Speaker 1: He also revealed to Jennifer that the dad that her
33:34
Speaker 1: dad had survived and had given police an account that
33:38
Speaker 1: was different from hers. This is when Jennifer changes her story.
33:42
Speaker 1: As the interview continues, Jennifer abandoned parts of her original
33:45
Speaker 1: home invasion account. She now claimed that she had arranged
33:48
Speaker 1: for someone to kill her, not her parents. Did you
33:52
Speaker 1: remember that She changes her story and tries to make
33:54
Speaker 1: it into a like a suicide, like she did hire them,
33:58
Speaker 1: but she hired them to kill her.
34:00
Speaker 2: They and like they bungled it.
34:01
Speaker 1: They likes and be.
34:03
Speaker 2: Like, Okay, well then let's go in this room, let's
34:04
Speaker 2: kill you, let's finish the job. You okay with that?
34:06
Speaker 1: Jennifer?
34:06
Speaker 2: Of course you wouldn't be.
34:08
Speaker 1: And how if that were true. How do you mess
34:10
Speaker 1: that up? Like you're gonna tell me? They you walk.
34:12
Speaker 2: Around and walk around with the killers and just sit
34:14
Speaker 2: chat to them, busted.
34:15
Speaker 1: Into the home and killed the wrong people. Jennifer then
34:19
Speaker 1: identified a man that she knew as Homeboy and admitted
34:22
Speaker 1: communicating with him before the attack. She unlocked the door
34:26
Speaker 1: for him on purpose. Then investigators access to Jennifer's phone.
34:31
Speaker 1: Detectives obtained Jennifer's phone records and messages. They discovered communications
34:35
Speaker 1: between Jennifer and Homeboy. They also found messages between Jennifer
34:39
Speaker 1: and Danny Wong that provided additional context about their relationship
34:43
Speaker 1: and the developing plot. The communications indicated that Danny had
34:47
Speaker 1: helped connect Jennifer with the person that she knew as Homeboy,
34:51
Speaker 1: and police use phone evidence from Jennifer and Danny to
34:54
Speaker 1: identify additional people connected to the attack. This is I
34:58
Speaker 1: found this interesting. Boy. Do you want to know what
35:01
Speaker 1: Homeboy's real name is?
35:05
Speaker 2: I don't know.
35:06
Speaker 1: So they find out. They figure out that Homeboy, which
35:10
Speaker 1: is the person that she you know, I think she
35:12
Speaker 1: paid him two thousand dollars to kill her parents. His
35:16
Speaker 1: real name is Lenford Crawford.
35:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd go with Homeboy too.
35:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would go with Homeboy Eric Carter.
35:22
Speaker 2: Lynn. Lynn's not a bad name, Lynn.
35:23
Speaker 1: But Lynford Lynn, Lynford Crawford, Lynford Crawford. Yeah, he's a
35:32
Speaker 1: low price leader for Hitman two thousand dollars. Two thousand dollars. Crawford,
35:38
Speaker 1: Eric Carty, and David Milviganham were also identified as being
35:42
Speaker 1: connected to the plot. I believe those were the three.
35:45
Speaker 1: So Danny Wong was not one of the home invaders.
35:49
Speaker 1: He was just he connected.
35:51
Speaker 2: He was a Yeah, he was a coordinator, coordinator. It
35:54
Speaker 2: was a dispatcher.
35:55
Speaker 1: Yes, he he put Jennifer and Homeboy in contact with
36:00
Speaker 1: each other. Arrests followed as investigators pieced together the roles
36:06
Speaker 1: of all of the people involved. Investigators determined that Jennifer
36:09
Speaker 1: had participated in arranging a plot against her parents. Danny
36:13
Speaker 1: was accused of helping to organize the plan and connecting
36:16
Speaker 1: Jennifer with the accomplices. Evidence also revealed that the threatening
36:20
Speaker 1: or prank calls that Danny had described were actually coming
36:24
Speaker 1: from Jennifer, and prosecutors would argue that Jennifer wanted her
36:27
Speaker 1: parents killed after years of conflict over their strict rules,
36:31
Speaker 1: her relationship with Danny and the extensive lies that she
36:35
Speaker 1: had told about her life. Then we get two twenty
36:39
Speaker 1: fourteen to twenty fifteen, which is the trial, conviction, and her.
36:43
Speaker 2: Sentencing five years later.
36:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Jennifer Pan, Danny Wong, Lynford Crawford, and David Milvagananum,
36:52
Speaker 1: we'll just go with David. We're tried in connection with
36:55
Speaker 1: the attack. The fourth man, Eric Sean Carty, was charged
36:59
Speaker 1: and separately. How you know, it boggles my mind that
37:05
Speaker 1: you could orchestrate a murder of two innocent people and
37:10
Speaker 1: a home and have that many people willing to dress
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Speaker 1: up in all black and walk inside someone's home and
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Speaker 1: to shoot two people that you have no connection to.
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Speaker 1: I mean there's three people that were involved, and Danny
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Speaker 1: Wong's involved in connecting everybody. I mean, all these people
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Speaker 1: are involved and have no problem.
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Speaker 3: Doing this in this small community that apparently is family friendly,
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Speaker 3: in a low level crime.
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Speaker 1: Right. As a joint trial for the other co accused
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Speaker 1: was deep into its schedule, the sudden illness of Carti's
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Speaker 1: counsel forced the court to separate his case to avoid
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Speaker 1: major delays for the jury. So that's why he ended
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Speaker 1: up having a separate trial. Jennifer was found guilty of
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Speaker 1: first degree murder in her mother's death and attempted murder
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Speaker 1: and the attack on her father. Her three co accused
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Speaker 1: were convicted of the same charges, and Jennifer received a
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Speaker 1: life sentence for the murder conviction. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you knew this, but years later the Court of Appeal
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Speaker 1: found a problem with the instructions given to the original jury.
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Speaker 1: Did you know that or trial got overturned?
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Speaker 2: Actually, oh wow.
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Speaker 1: Really so. I The reason that the jury instructions were
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Speaker 1: considered incorrect is because they didn't give the jury manslaughter
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Speaker 1: or second degree murder. They only made They didn't give
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Speaker 1: them an option.
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Speaker 2: It was only first to always issues dury instructions. I
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Speaker 2: always found that really weird.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's almost like maybe there should be better
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Speaker 3: instructions on writing dury instructions.
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Speaker 1: So at trial, jurors had essentially been directed to consider
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Speaker 1: two main possibilities, that the plan was to murder both parents,
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Speaker 1: or that the plan was a home invasion during which
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Speaker 1: the shootings occurred. The appeals court determined that jurors should
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Speaker 1: have also been permitted to consider lesser homicide verdicts, including
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Speaker 1: second degree murder and manslaughter that was specifically in relation
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Speaker 1: to the mother's death. As a result, the court ordered
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Speaker 1: new trials on the first degree murder convictions and the
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Speaker 1: attempted murder convictions relating to the dad remained intact.
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Speaker 2: So then, way, so what happened?
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Speaker 1: So in April of twenty twenty five, the Supreme Court
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Speaker 1: of Canada upholds the new trial order. So they end
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Speaker 1: up do getting a new trial. The Crown appealed the
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Speaker 1: decision to the Supreme Court of Canada and April of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, the Supreme Court upheld the order requiring
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Speaker 1: new first degree murder trials for Jennifer and her three
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Speaker 1: co accused. The ruling meant that Jennifer's legal responsibility for
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Speaker 1: her mother's death would have to be reconsidered under the
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Speaker 1: proper range of possible homicide verdicts. So again that means
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Speaker 1: that she they had told.
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Speaker 2: Retrial, retrial, how we're at right now? Retrial, Well, now.
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Speaker 1: We get to twenty twenty six, Okay, Jennifer pleads guilty
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Speaker 1: to manslaughter. So rather than going through another first degree
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Speaker 1: murder trial, Jennifer pleaded guilty to manslaughter in connection with
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Speaker 1: her mother's death and agreed statement of facts significantly clarified
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Speaker 1: the prosecution's updated position on the original plot. According to
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Speaker 1: the statement, Jennifer had arranged and helped finance a plan
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Speaker 1: to kill her dad, Danny helped organize the hit and
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Speaker 1: located the accomplices. However, the agreed fact stated that Jennifer
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Speaker 1: had not specifically planned for her mother to be killed,
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Speaker 1: but because Jennifer knew or should have known, that her
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Speaker 1: mother could be inside the family home when the planned
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Speaker 1: target of her dad was carried out, her mother's injury
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Speaker 1: or death was considered a foreseeable consequence of the unlawful plot.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if I even believe that
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Speaker 1: she had only wanted her dad murdered in this whole,
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Speaker 1: in this whole hire to kill plot. I mean, she
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Speaker 1: knew her mom was home, and she knew her mom
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Speaker 1: was sitting on the couch.
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Speaker 3: And she knew my dad's the one that's forced me
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Speaker 3: to go to school and not dating certain guys.
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Speaker 2: But my mom's cool. So I'm gonna kill dad and
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Speaker 2: Mom's cool with it.
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Speaker 1: No, I doubt that. So then Jennifer, this is in
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Speaker 1: this retrial, she takes a plea deal and she accepts
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Speaker 1: responsibility for her mother's death, but only through a manslaughter plea.
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Speaker 1: Following her manslaughter plea, Jennifer received a life sentence unlike
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Speaker 1: her original first degree murder conviction. The new outcome allows
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Speaker 1: her to become eligible for parole or her attempted murder
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Speaker 1: conviction for the attack on her dad remains in place,
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Speaker 1: and the plea represents a major change from the prosecution's
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Speaker 1: original theory that Jennifer had deliberately arranged for both of
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Speaker 1: her parents to be murdered. So basically, by her taking
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Speaker 1: the plea, the prosecution has to agree that she could
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Speaker 1: have possibly only arranged for her dad to be killed
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Speaker 1: and then her mother just happened to be you know,
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Speaker 1: collateral damaged at that place.
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Speaker 2: Oh and her dad didn't die.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was attempted murder and then now manslaughter. So
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Speaker 1: based on her new sentencing and her new manslaughter please,
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Speaker 1: she's immediately eligible for parole.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think she'll get out.
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Speaker 3: Eligible doesn't mean like released, Yeah, it might even be
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Speaker 3: like in two years you'll have a hearing.
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, right, all right, So that's Jennifer. What Jennifer
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Speaker 1: did was horrible. Yeah, what a psychopath?
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Speaker 2: Again?
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Speaker 1: I mean usually on until death do his part. We
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Speaker 1: talk about how divorce is an option. Why can't she
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Speaker 1: just move out, just move out and get a job.
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Speaker 3: What's she going to do in jail Now she's in
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Speaker 3: jail for the rest of her life? Is that a
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Speaker 3: better scenario? She's going to take classes and then be like.
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Speaker 2: Now you want to go to school.
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Speaker 1: Now you're going to go to the school.
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Speaker 2: Does her father visit her?
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Speaker 1: No, It said that he he has some type of
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Speaker 1: permanent type of It wasn't a restraining order yards of him,
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Speaker 1: but it was some type of permanent like stay away
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Speaker 1: order or something. So I don't think she can write
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Speaker 1: him or try to reach out or anything.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, he's like, I don't even want you
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Speaker 2: to try to call me. I'm not going to visit you,
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Speaker 2: but I don't even want you to call me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, thank you so much for listening.
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