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Speaker 1: The Large Nerd Drunk Collider podcast is a production of
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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Hey everybody, welcome to The Large Nerd
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Speaker 1: Drunk Collider, the podcast that's all about the geeky things
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Speaker 1: happening in the world around us and how very excited
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Speaker 1: we are about them. I'm Ariel casting and with me
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Speaker 1: as always is real Boy Jonathan Strickland. I am Vengeance.
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Speaker 1: I doubt your commitment to vengeance motion. Well, I didn't
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Speaker 1: say I was good at it, but I do. Ariel
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Speaker 1: have a question for you, okay, Ariel, because one of
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Speaker 1: our news items is going to have to do with
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Speaker 1: a movie music. I was curious, what are some of
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Speaker 1: your favorite film scores, not soundtrack acts. You know, soundtracks
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Speaker 1: would be the ones that have like all the different
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Speaker 1: songs attached to him. And we all know the greatest
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Speaker 1: soundtrack of all time is the original Batman film because
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Speaker 1: of Prince's bat Dance song. But no, I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: the movie score, like the stuff that's playing that get
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Speaker 1: plays with your emotions. I mean, you know, like classic
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Speaker 1: stuff like Indiana Jones or Star Wars, you know, and
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Speaker 1: any sort of anything John Williams or um Lord of
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Speaker 1: the Rings. Yeah, yes, but I mean like that is
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Speaker 1: all fantastic, beautiful world building music. Um, you asked about films.
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Speaker 1: I was going to say Lost, Lost has an amazing
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Speaker 1: score to it and soundtrack. Um, but that's fair. We
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Speaker 1: can throw we can throw television in there too. I
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Speaker 1: think that's totally fine. Yeah. So, I mean, like Lost
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Speaker 1: would be my favorite first, and I like, I know
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Speaker 1: John Williams should oh to be at the top of
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Speaker 1: my list for those because he wrote so many amazing ones.
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Speaker 1: But um, but but it's so hard because scores like
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Speaker 1: literally trying like built my my musical childhood. I spent
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Speaker 1: you know, time and band and orchestra playing scores from
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Speaker 1: like Jurassic Park and Back to the Future and things
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Speaker 1: like that. So it's it's really hard to pick. I
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Speaker 1: think it's also interesting that we went through a time
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Speaker 1: for a while, and arguably you could say we're kind
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Speaker 1: of still in it where movies didn't have as many
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Speaker 1: like like recognizable scores. Right, Like you would hear music
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Speaker 1: from a movie, it would be really atmospheric and moody
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Speaker 1: and everything, but you might not be able to pen
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Speaker 1: what movie it came from because it wasn't like iconically
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Speaker 1: you know, connected to the film. Itself, not like say
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Speaker 1: Star Wars or Star Trek or any of those things.
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Speaker 1: The Marvel movies I think of had issues with that,
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Speaker 1: apart from the Avengers theme, which is actually pretty recognizable.
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Speaker 1: That data, that little thing, I mean, like that's recognizable.
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Speaker 1: But if you played I don't know four or five
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Speaker 1: different themes from the twenty plus Marvel films that have
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Speaker 1: come out so far, I probably wouldn't be able to
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Speaker 1: tell you which one's went with which characters. Uh, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: I I Star Wars, Raised last Ark, two of my
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Speaker 1: favorite Superman as well another John Williams, um, well, I
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Speaker 1: don't talking about the nineteen seventies EO Superman um and
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Speaker 1: uh yeah, there's those are all great. You know what,
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Speaker 1: There's one movie score that I genuinely like because of
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Speaker 1: the mood. And I can always tell what movies on
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Speaker 1: as soon as they hear just like a note or two,
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Speaker 1: which is clue, yeah, clue, just that do do Do
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Speaker 1: Do Do Do Do Do Do. It's this little jaunty
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Speaker 1: and yet kind of a dark edge to it music
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Speaker 1: for that movie, which is perfect because it's such a
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Speaker 1: good fee and sinister farce. So um, it's really love.
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Speaker 1: It is a great movie. It's one of my favorites.
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Speaker 1: But I really love when a film's score is an
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Speaker 1: integral component of the experience of seeing the movie. That's
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Speaker 1: not to say that like more atmospheric, you know, pieces
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Speaker 1: that might not be as hummable, let's say that those
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Speaker 1: don't have a place. I think they do. There's some
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Speaker 1: films that have, Like Birdman has an amazing score to
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Speaker 1: it that's just like jazz drums going bonkers through the
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Speaker 1: whole thing. You can't hulm it, not not effectively, uh
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Speaker 1: you know, and it's It is interesting because a lot
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Speaker 1: of movies nowadays rely less on scores and more on
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Speaker 1: just underscoring with single bowl songs. You know. A great
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Speaker 1: one for that is like Crazy Rich Asians, which has
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Speaker 1: an amazing soundtrack that that is the score for the movie.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it has actual score, but like, I don't
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Speaker 1: remember that. I just remember all of the great song
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Speaker 1: choices they pick for it. Well, let's not talk too
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Speaker 1: much about about soundtracks, because I might I might or
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Speaker 1: might not have another question for you for some future
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Speaker 1: episode where we talk about that. We might we might
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Speaker 1: have already I don't recall. But the reason you're asking
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Speaker 1: is because they just released the score for The Batman. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's the Batman's theme composed by Michael Is it Giocano?
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Speaker 1: Uh Giacano? Yeah, I think so, I believe so. This
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Speaker 1: is this is where it's revealed that neither Ariel nor
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Speaker 1: myself have any Italian in US. Yeah. I was talking
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Speaker 1: friends about the score over the weekend because I think
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Speaker 1: it's really beautiful. I think Michael Michael g does a
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Speaker 1: real good job at writing music, not make obviously. I
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Speaker 1: like the score to Lost a lot. Um. I've got
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Speaker 1: some of it on my iPod. But um, you know,
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Speaker 1: even when they talked to the cast of Loss, they
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Speaker 1: all pronounce his name differently. So um too too badly
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Speaker 1: about it. But so that's why you brought up Lost
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Speaker 1: in particular. I mean, I do really really love the score.
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Speaker 1: I love the score, I love the soundtrack. I really
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Speaker 1: enjoyed the show, even though it definitely went some weird,
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Speaker 1: weird directions. Yeah, well, he's and he's done a lot,
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Speaker 1: I mean a ton of different pieces. It's one of those.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me because this is a composer whose
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Speaker 1: name I was not familiar with, but I'm definitely familiar
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Speaker 1: with the work I mean the fact that he did
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Speaker 1: the score for The Incredibles, which has a fantastic film score. Um,
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Speaker 1: he's worked a lot with J. J. Runs, not just
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Speaker 1: with Loss but also on Alias. Uh. He did the
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Speaker 1: score for Zutopia. You know, he's done a ton of
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Speaker 1: of work. I did the score for Spider Man Far
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Speaker 1: from Home. He also did it for Spider Man No
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Speaker 1: Way Home. Yea, So yeah, he's done a ton of
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Speaker 1: work that I've heard. But although I haven't heard No
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Speaker 1: Way Home yet because I still haven't seen it, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's Um, I listened to this and I agree, it's
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Speaker 1: a it's a great piece of music. I feel like,
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Speaker 1: you know, it kind of starts with a little bit
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Speaker 1: it almost feels a little bit like the sort of
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Speaker 1: the base of or the strings at the beginning of
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Speaker 1: the Imperial March from Star Wars, the Done, Done Done.
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Speaker 1: It's almost like that, not quite the same, but similar.
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Speaker 1: Then it goes into this kind of sad uh introspective section,
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Speaker 1: and then it slowly builds until you get sort of
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Speaker 1: the more action driven music towards the end. So I
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Speaker 1: feel like it kind of is almost like a snapshot
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Speaker 1: of of Batman and bat and Psyche. Yeah, yeah, certainly. Um.
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Speaker 1: And the song is about what three and a half
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Speaker 1: minutes or so. Um, it's called water Tower. Um. And
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Speaker 1: the Batman movie. The movie The Batman is going to
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Speaker 1: be two hours and fifty five minutes, so maybe we'll
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Speaker 1: get one minute of the score per hour. Oh, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure it's gonna be like all the other Batman thinks,
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Speaker 1: where you get it worked into thematically different parts of
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Speaker 1: the movie. I mean, when I think of Batman scores,
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Speaker 1: the one that always comes to mind is Danny Elfman's,
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Speaker 1: which I actually really liked. I have never sat down
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Speaker 1: to watch Batman Versus Superman or Justice League all the
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Speaker 1: way through, but I have listened to the scores because
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Speaker 1: if you listen to the Justice League score, Danny Elfman
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Speaker 1: works in his old Batman theme and a couple of places,
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Speaker 1: And he also works in John Williams's old Superman theme
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Speaker 1: in a couple of places. And I I to use
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Speaker 1: some wrestling terminology I marked out when I heard that. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think people can get context clues as
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Speaker 1: to what I marked out when I heard that means
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Speaker 1: I went banana. I went banana when I heard it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I will say like the movie that Batman I've talked
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Speaker 1: about before isn't really appealing to me, but I really
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Speaker 1: like this This score makes it feel like it evokes
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Speaker 1: my fondness of Batman when I listened to it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I have a feeling I'm really gonna dig this movie,
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Speaker 1: and it's also going to be the kind where I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I don't think I necessarily want a series of movies
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Speaker 1: with that kind of tonal approach to the Batman, but
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Speaker 1: as a one off, I think I'm gonna dig it.
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Speaker 1: Um because I I don't need the Batman to be
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Speaker 1: super dark and gritty. I'm not one of those types
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Speaker 1: of fans who just demands that that the Batman needs
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Speaker 1: to be, you know, really dark and has to be
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Speaker 1: really grim. Um. I don't think that's necessarily true. I
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Speaker 1: think it can be a lot of fun to have
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Speaker 1: an an adventurous kind of Batman story. Um, but this
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Speaker 1: one does look like it's going to be right up
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Speaker 1: my alley. Yeah. Uh. Moving on from from instrumental to
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Speaker 1: vocal work, we all know that The Legend of Vox
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Speaker 1: Magna is coming out soon at the end of this month,
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Speaker 1: and they've just released kind of a behind the scenes
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Speaker 1: video to promote it, where we found out they've got
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Speaker 1: a lot of guest star voice actors. Yeah. Now, now,
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Speaker 1: for those who don't even know what Vox Makina is
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Speaker 1: or where it comes from, the it's an animated series
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Speaker 1: that's based off a Dudgeons and Dragons campaign that started
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Speaker 1: as just a group of various voice actors who met
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Speaker 1: regularly to play D and D and then later Pathfinder
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Speaker 1: and then D and D again, and it was all
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Speaker 1: the same campaign. They just changed rule sets a couple
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Speaker 1: of times because they did fourth edition DN D two
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Speaker 1: Pathfinder to fifth edition D and dum. But yeah, they
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Speaker 1: started playing together and then Felicia Day the actress, heard
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Speaker 1: about it and brought them over to be part of
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Speaker 1: her YouTube network, Geek and Sundry. This is like around
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Speaker 1: the two thousand four fifteen time period, and they began
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Speaker 1: to play their their games in front of the camera.
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Speaker 1: So like the early parts of that first campaign they
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Speaker 1: played were never streamed or filmed. That was just for them.
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Speaker 1: So Vox Macinna is actually going to be the first
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Speaker 1: time that some of those story components are ever going
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Speaker 1: to be expressly shared with the public, and as voice actors,
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Speaker 1: they happen to know a ton of other voice actors
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Speaker 1: and other types of actors, and they have brought kind
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Speaker 1: of a freaking who's who over to voice characters everything, um,
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Speaker 1: like major recurring characters to little minor parts. Yeah, we've
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Speaker 1: got David Tennant, We've got Dominic Montague him, We've got
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Speaker 1: Stephen Root Kelly who just Gina Torres, isn't it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: just a ton of people. You Yeah, and there's and
12:19
Speaker 1: if you're like a big fan of video games or
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Speaker 1: anime things like that, you're probably going to recognize other
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Speaker 1: names on the list, other prominent voice actors who have
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Speaker 1: done work in those fields, all playing, like I said,
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Speaker 1: a whole range of parts. They said that, you know,
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Speaker 1: while they love the fact that their game master did
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Speaker 1: all these voices during the sessions, this was an opportunity
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Speaker 1: to flesh those characters out, give them all their own voices,
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Speaker 1: and obviously not quite give such a heavy lift too.
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Speaker 1: I think Matthew Mercer, I believe, is the game master,
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Speaker 1: and that way he doesn't have to do all like
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Speaker 1: every other character. So so one of the things that
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Speaker 1: I've heard about from my friends who love critic whole
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Speaker 1: role is that it's just the sessions are very, very long,
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Speaker 1: So if you're listening to it, it can sometimes have
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Speaker 1: a hard entry point because you might love D and D.
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Speaker 1: You might love their storytelling and their characters and and
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Speaker 1: their methods, but it's so long that it's it's a
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Speaker 1: really big time investment. Um. So you know, if you're
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Speaker 1: making a cartoon that's more accessible to everybody, uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: obviously you need voice actors. I just didn't expect it
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Speaker 1: to be quite so star studded, even though like the
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Speaker 1: voice the voice actors playing the characters are well well
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Speaker 1: to do voice actors, like they're all known in their field. Now,
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Speaker 1: I think that the cartoon is great. It's a great
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Speaker 1: idea to get you into the story because obviously, like
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Speaker 1: D and D gaming sessions, like you know this, they
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Speaker 1: they are long because there's a lot of resolving things
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Speaker 1: and rolling dice and figuring out the you know, what
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Speaker 1: happens as a result of those roles and you know,
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Speaker 1: adjusting and all that kind of stuff. And some of
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Speaker 1: the office literally something that could be told in like
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Speaker 1: fifteen seconds of animation and it could have taken you
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Speaker 1: an hour to resolve around the table. So yeah, the
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Speaker 1: sessions could last between like three to six hours, and
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Speaker 1: there could be more than a hundred sessions per campaign,
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Speaker 1: So that's an enormous time's sake if you're going to
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Speaker 1: go and watch every single episode. This is a much
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Speaker 1: more streamlined approach to storytelling. Yeah, a lot of and
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Speaker 1: a lot of like D and D real play games
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Speaker 1: or D and D podcasts rather do cut out a
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Speaker 1: lot of that resolving dice rolling and just stick it
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Speaker 1: to the story with a little bit of behind the
14:40
Speaker 1: scenes but critical role real play. So yeah, well, we're
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Speaker 1: going to take a quick break. When we come back.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk briefly about some rumored possible reshoots
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Speaker 1: of Doctor Strange and what that can mean. We've got
14:53
Speaker 1: some other news items to cover because there was so
14:56
Speaker 1: much news that happened since our last episode. It's gonna
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Speaker 1: take two whole segments to tackle them all. But first,
15:02
Speaker 1: how about that break? I darned durn promised, promise fulfilled,
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Speaker 1: promise fulfilled? Okay, So the rumor you're talking about is
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Speaker 1: that we are getting more reshoots potentially for multi Verse
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Speaker 1: of Madness, Doctor Strange and the multi Verse of Madness rather. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and Sam Raimi apparently has has said that he isn't
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Speaker 1: sure if the film is finished yet, they've already done
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Speaker 1: some reshoots. Uh. And I think this is probably partly
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Speaker 1: to do with the fact that Marvel is so uh
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Speaker 1: focused on making sure that they have this tightly integrated universe,
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Speaker 1: which in some ways is a great thing, But you
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Speaker 1: also start to see the same problems you would see
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Speaker 1: in the comic books, which is that to get everyone
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Speaker 1: who's working on all these differ front properties on the
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Speaker 1: same page so that you're telling one massive, coherent story
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Speaker 1: that can still be broken up into these individual films
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Speaker 1: and be their own story. That's hard to do. And
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Speaker 1: one of the things that popped in my mind is
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Speaker 1: do you think this might be an indication that perhaps
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Speaker 1: Marvel puts too much on its plate on a per
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Speaker 1: year basis. Keeping in mind that this year we're supposed
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Speaker 1: to get Doctor Strange, We're supposed to get thor Love,
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Speaker 1: God of Love and Thunder, We're supposed to get the
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Speaker 1: uh she Hulks series. We're supposed to get Miss Marvel
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Speaker 1: uh Secret Wars. Sounds like it's been pushed to next year. Um,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, there's like so much stuff the next Black
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Speaker 1: Panther movie. There's so much stuff that's supposed to come out,
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Speaker 1: and in theory at least, it's supposed to interconnect. So
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Speaker 1: do you think that maybe they might they might need
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Speaker 1: to pump the brakes a little bit. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I think in a non pandemic environment, potentially not. Um.
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Speaker 1: I do think probably some of their reshoots are just
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Speaker 1: because they've had to pivot on a lot of their
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Speaker 1: stuff right now to accommodate a justice shooting schedules and
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Speaker 1: availability from actors because timelines got all messed up. I
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Speaker 1: don't know. This is just my assumption. I know that
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of pivoting in the industry, UM and
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Speaker 1: and so like if if everything was business as normal,
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Speaker 1: maybe not. I mean, movies always have reshoots, right or
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Speaker 1: like if you look at Suicide Squad, they made a
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Speaker 1: movie and then they reshot and recut a bunch of
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Speaker 1: it because it's just like there are lots of movies
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Speaker 1: that get shelved or reshot because they don't do well
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Speaker 1: with audiences when they screen. UM. So it's not an
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Speaker 1: uncommon practice. I don't even necessarily think so, I guess.
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Speaker 1: I guess my answer is, you know, no, maybe because
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Speaker 1: the pandemic. It's a little bit harder, and they're they're
17:56
Speaker 1: having to make more adjustments. But like, also, there are
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Speaker 1: lots of movies I've watched where things have been cut
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Speaker 1: and it makes the story less than because it makes
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Speaker 1: a plot point and jumpy or gets rid of some
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Speaker 1: some growth from point A to point B. When you
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Speaker 1: watch Eternals and we talk about this, this will be
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Speaker 1: a nice good point on that. Um. But but yeah,
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Speaker 1: like I'm glad that they're willing to try to make
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Speaker 1: the story perfect, although you can also overwork his stories well.
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Speaker 1: And to the point I was making earlier about with
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Speaker 1: all these interconnected stories, you run the danger of if
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Speaker 1: you go back and do reshoots to change something, maybe
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Speaker 1: you end up changing something that would have been important
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Speaker 1: as a component for one of your other stories, and
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Speaker 1: now your other story makes less sense because you went
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Speaker 1: back and change something else that's interconnected with it. And
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Speaker 1: that See, that's where I'm concerned, is that, like I
18:55
Speaker 1: love most of the stuff that Marvel has put out,
18:59
Speaker 1: I am concerned that they're overdoing it now. It's over
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Speaker 1: saturating us with MCU stuff just like on a pure
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Speaker 1: volume level. Um, It's not that I'm not enjoying the
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Speaker 1: stuff that's coming out. But I do get concerned that
19:12
Speaker 1: if you do have this very intricate puzzle that you're
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Speaker 1: putting together, and then bits of the puzzle aren't quite
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Speaker 1: working so you go back to rework them, you run
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Speaker 1: in danger of affecting the other parts of the puzzle
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Speaker 1: there were also in motion at the same time. I mean,
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Speaker 1: normally i'd say yes, but now they've just introduced the multiverse.
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Speaker 1: So if it doesn't line up, whoops, multiverse, except except
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Speaker 1: that if all the stories involve like the early part
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Speaker 1: of the multiverse, then that gets really complicated. I mean, like,
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Speaker 1: you know, we already know that that, like the next
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Speaker 1: ant Man movie is supposed to also deal with the
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Speaker 1: multiverse issues. So yeah, I don't want to I don't
19:51
Speaker 1: want to be the person who has to keep track
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Speaker 1: of their spreadsheet of how everything we together colony. It's
19:58
Speaker 1: got to be like a full time job, it must be.
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Speaker 1: But you know, they've done well so far. You know,
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Speaker 1: the TV shows definitely make it more difficult that I've
20:06
Speaker 1: got to well, I don't know. I want to say,
20:09
Speaker 1: I've got to imagine that they thought that through before
20:11
Speaker 1: they did it. But you know, if you look at Lost,
20:14
Speaker 1: sometimes they make decisions they're like, we'll just let the
20:16
Speaker 1: actors figure out how to justify this. So I don't
20:20
Speaker 1: know that that's what Lost did. I just or you
20:22
Speaker 1: watch a show like X Files where the creator of
20:25
Speaker 1: the show tells you at the beginning of the launch
20:28
Speaker 1: of the show that he has a vision of how
20:30
Speaker 1: this show is going to evolve, and then halfway through
20:33
Speaker 1: it becomes clear that either there was no vision at all,
20:37
Speaker 1: or they have gone completely in a different direction than
20:41
Speaker 1: what they were planning, or it was a pretty lousy vision. Yeah. Well, listen,
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Speaker 1: even if it's the beginning of the multiverse, they just
20:49
Speaker 1: go back in time or they rent on something or
20:51
Speaker 1: whatever that all the time, You're right, it's not satisfying,
20:59
Speaker 1: which me to our next story, which is we just
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Speaker 1: got trailer for season two of The Card. Okay, but
21:05
Speaker 1: but I want to say this right up front. I
21:08
Speaker 1: had no interest in watching the first season of Picard
21:10
Speaker 1: because I felt like it was not holding true to
21:15
Speaker 1: the spirit of the original series. I felt like I
21:19
Speaker 1: felt like all the characters were different people, and that
21:21
Speaker 1: was just action movie in space featuring these actors who
21:25
Speaker 1: happened to be going by the names of those characters.
21:28
Speaker 1: That being said, I saw this teaser for season two
21:31
Speaker 1: and this one I'm way more interested in. I know, Right,
21:36
Speaker 1: So I watched season one of Picard and I enjoyed it.
21:40
Speaker 1: It was definitely different, um, but it was an interesting
21:44
Speaker 1: story and it kind of dragged. It dragged a little
21:46
Speaker 1: bit at the end for me, but it was an
21:47
Speaker 1: interesting story. Just like I'm enjoying season four of Discovery.
21:50
Speaker 1: I'm way behind on it, but I've started watching it. Um.
21:53
Speaker 1: I'm glad I stuck with Discovery past the first season,
21:56
Speaker 1: maybe second season. I've really enjoyed the last two. But yeah,
22:00
Speaker 1: this this new season, they're they're playing with time travel,
22:03
Speaker 1: which again gets very frustrating, and you know, time loops
22:07
Speaker 1: and paradox and it's it's something that Star Trek has
22:10
Speaker 1: always made a big deal about and then still played with. Yeah,
22:14
Speaker 1: they travel back to the far distant future of twenty
22:18
Speaker 1: four apparently goodness. But you know, they're bringing back so
22:23
Speaker 1: many people I love, like guidaning Q, and like, now,
22:26
Speaker 1: I just now, I just have to watch it. Yeah,
22:30
Speaker 1: well he was in the first season too, was he.
22:33
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it because I was like, nope, I'm
22:35
Speaker 1: piecing out. But yeah, season two, I feel like there's
22:38
Speaker 1: something about it, like I and maybe it'll turn out
22:41
Speaker 1: that the shows end up being very much action movie
22:45
Speaker 1: set in space with Star Trek character names, because that's
22:48
Speaker 1: one of the things that I know a lot of
22:49
Speaker 1: fans who are like the super hardcore fans get irritated
22:55
Speaker 1: about because the original Star Trek series wasn't really that
22:58
Speaker 1: action e The movies were, but the series weren't, largely
23:02
Speaker 1: because of things like budget, but also because it was
23:04
Speaker 1: meant to be a thoughtful show and not not a
23:09
Speaker 1: P P lasers show. Um. And I'm hopeful that we're
23:14
Speaker 1: going to get a little bit more of the thoughtfulness
23:16
Speaker 1: when you have the character of Q and there the
23:18
Speaker 1: whole purpose of Q is to create these moral puzzles
23:24
Speaker 1: where there's no clear right answer and see how the
23:27
Speaker 1: characters navigate them. So I'm hopeful that that is what
23:32
Speaker 1: you're gonna get with season two of A Card Me Too.
23:35
Speaker 1: And and it's one of It's how I feel Discovery
23:37
Speaker 1: has gone in the later seasons as well, very very moral, thoughtful,
23:41
Speaker 1: sometimes a little heavy handed in it in fact, not
23:44
Speaker 1: that not to say that earlier Star Treks weren't heavy
23:46
Speaker 1: handed in it. Well, Ariel, let's let's transition from Star
23:51
Speaker 1: Trek to what is you know, obviously the superior of
23:54
Speaker 1: the Star franchises, Star Wars. Um. I don't really mean that,
24:00
Speaker 1: just trolling, but yeah, one of the stories that that
24:04
Speaker 1: you found for this week is that there are three
24:08
Speaker 1: new Star Wars games that are in development among a
24:15
Speaker 1: very various studios, and that like we're kind of entering
24:18
Speaker 1: into You could argue the age of Star Wars games.
24:22
Speaker 1: There was a long time where there was like a
24:25
Speaker 1: drought of Star Wars games content. Lucasfilm disbanded the Lucas
24:32
Speaker 1: Arts uh division, and like it just seemed like for
24:36
Speaker 1: a while that we were not going to get any
24:37
Speaker 1: really good Star Wars games. Then we got Squadron, which was,
24:41
Speaker 1: you know, a lot I think a lot of people
24:42
Speaker 1: really liked when it first came out. I don't think
24:44
Speaker 1: it had very much staying power unfortunately. And um, now
24:49
Speaker 1: we're learning about three new Star Wars games being overseen
24:54
Speaker 1: from Respond Entertainment, which was in charge of lots of
25:00
Speaker 1: of other titles that you would recognize. So that's pretty exciting.
25:05
Speaker 1: And by the way, those three titles, that's not the
25:07
Speaker 1: only Star Wars games and development. Those are three from
25:09
Speaker 1: that specific studio. Yeah, so they're working on a first
25:12
Speaker 1: person shooter, a strategy game, and then Star Wars Jedi
25:14
Speaker 1: Fallen Order, which is being directed by Stig Asmussen Um.
25:21
Speaker 1: I don't know how to pronounce his last name either.
25:23
Speaker 1: I should have looked it up, but he led development
25:26
Speaker 1: for the first game as well as God of War three,
25:28
Speaker 1: which God of War three was a really fun story
25:31
Speaker 1: to follow. So I look forward to not a great deal. Yeah,
25:34
Speaker 1: and you know, we've got, like I said, other games
25:36
Speaker 1: that are in development. There's a remake of the Knights
25:40
Speaker 1: of the Old Republic game that's coming up from aspir Knights.
25:44
Speaker 1: Then you've got Quantic Dreams game Higher Republic, which is
25:48
Speaker 1: another Star Wars themed game. So yeah, we're getting a
25:52
Speaker 1: lot of of Star Wars world building games in there,
25:56
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm I'm hopeful they will all be really
26:00
Speaker 1: good quality. Uh, and you know they'll be making me
26:03
Speaker 1: feel a love for Star Wars like the Mandalorian as
26:07
Speaker 1: opposed to a on we about Star Wars like Book
26:11
Speaker 1: of Boba Fett. Look, the Book of bubble Ft is. Uh.
26:16
Speaker 1: It's okay, I have not watched that. I have not
26:18
Speaker 1: watched episode four yet, and by this time the time
26:21
Speaker 1: this episode comes out, episode five will be out. I
26:24
Speaker 1: sure hope they made me feel better about the Book
26:27
Speaker 1: of Boba Fett. I look, I just I just watched
26:30
Speaker 1: the one that a lot of people had issue with
26:33
Speaker 1: with the Speeders, the Speeder Gang. Yeah, um, and it
26:40
Speaker 1: was it was okay. It could have been done better,
26:43
Speaker 1: but it was okay. Yeah, there's somebody said that I
26:45
Speaker 1: really didn't like. I won't. I won't ruin them For
26:47
Speaker 1: people who enjoy Boba Fett but are not caught up,
26:50
Speaker 1: Yeah they're they're I've got a lot of thoughts about that.
26:52
Speaker 1: But maybe we'll just save them for like a post
26:55
Speaker 1: mortem on the Book of Bubba Fett once it's complete,
26:57
Speaker 1: because maybe it'll be one of those slow burned things
27:01
Speaker 1: were at the end of it, I go, wow, Now
27:03
Speaker 1: I see where they were going, and I think it's great. Um,
27:07
Speaker 1: but let's let's finish up our news. We've got a
27:09
Speaker 1: couple other little quick stories. One of them is that Blizzard,
27:14
Speaker 1: as in the division with an activision, Blizzard has a
27:19
Speaker 1: survival game in the works that is not tied to
27:23
Speaker 1: their other I p. Yeah, the artwork for it looks
27:27
Speaker 1: really pretty. It kind of looks like it's going to
27:30
Speaker 1: jump between two lands, like a more modern world and
27:33
Speaker 1: then kind of a fantasy world. Uh. And we don't
27:36
Speaker 1: know much about it other than it's got some pretty
27:39
Speaker 1: artwork and um, yeah, it's not StarCraft, Warcraft, Diablo, or Overwatch. Yeah. Uh.
27:47
Speaker 1: I guess what we also know is that if Microsoft's
27:51
Speaker 1: plans go through, by the time this game comes out,
27:54
Speaker 1: it will be on Microsoft Activision Blizzard game I guess.
27:57
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see whether they put it
28:00
Speaker 1: on PlayStation or other they're not Microsoft consoles. Yeah, I um,
28:08
Speaker 1: you know, I I think that it looks interesting. I
28:11
Speaker 1: always get excited when a game company goes beyond it's
28:16
Speaker 1: I P like, of course, I love it when I
28:19
Speaker 1: get another entry into a series. I really like, like
28:22
Speaker 1: whenever another Fallout game comes out or another Elder Scrolls
28:26
Speaker 1: game comes out, I get excited. But it's really nice
28:30
Speaker 1: to also see companies that are known for specific properties
28:36
Speaker 1: to go outside of that, because I know that somewhere
28:38
Speaker 1: down the line there's a development team that felt very
28:42
Speaker 1: passionately about this idea and the fact that they got
28:46
Speaker 1: the chance to actually bring it to life is pretty cool. Yeah,
28:50
Speaker 1: and that's really all we have to say on that.
28:52
Speaker 1: We do have one less story. I know we're running
28:54
Speaker 1: a little along, but I really want to talk about
28:56
Speaker 1: this trailer that Jonathan. I think Jonathan put this up here.
28:58
Speaker 1: If I put it up, I don't recall. It's called
29:00
Speaker 1: Our Our Flag Means Death, which is a new show
29:04
Speaker 1: coming to HBO. Max and I looked at the title
29:08
Speaker 1: and I was like, what, what even is this? And
29:11
Speaker 1: then I watched the trailer for this comedy pirates show
29:15
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen, and I am all in. I can't
29:20
Speaker 1: believe you didn't say you are on board. I'm on board,
29:24
Speaker 1: yar me? Hardy's yeah. So it's it's it's actually the
29:28
Speaker 1: based off a real pirate, Steed Bonnet, who was known
29:31
Speaker 1: as the Gentleman Pirate. He was a landowner who turned
29:35
Speaker 1: to piracy, and so it's loosely based on actual historical events.
29:40
Speaker 1: Steve Bonnet being played in this by Rhese Darby, who
29:43
Speaker 1: is the the uh Murray in the Fly of the
29:47
Speaker 1: Concorde series and the were wolf not the swear wolf
29:51
Speaker 1: in the the What We Do in the Shadows film.
29:55
Speaker 1: He Also, he also picks up the kids when they
29:57
Speaker 1: go into the video game in the Jamungji v okay,
30:01
Speaker 1: he's the one he gives him their initial quest. Yeah,
30:04
Speaker 1: I have not seen seen Jumanji, so that's why I
30:07
Speaker 1: didn't realize. I know, I know it's on the list,
30:10
Speaker 1: but yeah, this one looks and see it's not quite
30:14
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's over. It's as overly silly as
30:18
Speaker 1: some of Taiko wa Titi, who is actually behind the series,
30:21
Speaker 1: it's not as overtly silly as some of Tycho what
30:24
Speaker 1: tits work. Yeah, I mean he's also in it. He
30:28
Speaker 1: is playing black Beard. Yes, Um, you know, I don't know.
30:32
Speaker 1: Some of it is very silly. It doesn't feel nineties
30:35
Speaker 1: sitcom silly. It doesn't. It doesn't feel as silly as
30:39
Speaker 1: what we do in the Shadows is That's that's true.
30:42
Speaker 1: But I mean it's got great other comedy chops. It's
30:45
Speaker 1: got um Leslie Jones in it, who I absolutely loved
30:51
Speaker 1: the brief moment we got to see if her in
30:52
Speaker 1: the trailer, and I can't wait to watch more. Um. Yeah, no,
30:56
Speaker 1: it's just it seems like a very well balanced, funny
31:00
Speaker 1: pirate comedy, maybe a little bit of drama in there.
31:04
Speaker 1: I don't know. Surely it's Pirates, there has to be drama, right. Yeah.
31:08
Speaker 1: I mean when I say when I say it's not
31:11
Speaker 1: as overtly silly, I don't mean that it's not a comedy,
31:14
Speaker 1: just that it's not quite as like. The trailer did
31:18
Speaker 1: not give me the same sort of absurd parody that
31:22
Speaker 1: you get with what we do in the showers. It
31:23
Speaker 1: didn't feel like a spinal tap kind of thing to me,
31:26
Speaker 1: in other words, But I you know, again, it was
31:28
Speaker 1: also a trailer, so I'm very eager to watch the show.
31:32
Speaker 1: Uh more pirate content please? Yes. At the very beginning
31:36
Speaker 1: of the trailer, they show like they're getting ready for battle,
31:39
Speaker 1: and um, the guy who plays Holde or isn't it
31:42
Speaker 1: as well? I really enjoyed the brief glimpses of his character.
31:45
Speaker 1: But some dude has a squeezebox and they're like, let's
31:48
Speaker 1: get ready, and dude starts to squeeze a squeeze box
31:50
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my gosh, is this a new
31:52
Speaker 1: musical show. I'll a gallivant, But now I don't think
31:55
Speaker 1: it is. No, I'm very sad, but yeah, it'll be
31:59
Speaker 1: it'll be fun to see this one when it comes
32:01
Speaker 1: out later this year. So I am, I am. I
32:03
Speaker 1: had not heard of this at all. It had been announced,
32:06
Speaker 1: but it didn't hit my radar um So I didn't
32:10
Speaker 1: know about it till after I watched the teaser and
32:11
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, I'm I'm sold and at least watching
32:16
Speaker 1: the first couple of episodes of this. So all right. Well,
32:21
Speaker 1: that that's our overview of some of the news from
32:25
Speaker 1: this week. There was a ton of other pieces, in fact,
32:28
Speaker 1: a couple that we will cover in just a moment
32:30
Speaker 1: before we talk about our mash up. But before we
32:32
Speaker 1: get to that, let's take another quick break. Okay, Ariel,
32:51
Speaker 1: before we actually do our mashups, can you tell us
32:55
Speaker 1: what two properties are we mashing up? And why were they?
32:58
Speaker 1: Front of mind? U Pinocchio, because we finally got a
33:02
Speaker 1: little teaser for gear Mate, say the name for me,
33:07
Speaker 1: Jonathan that for his Pinocchio stop motion cartoon. I guess,
33:15
Speaker 1: And it's delightful. It's actually it made me. It felt
33:18
Speaker 1: very um like fantastic Mr Fox. I can I can
33:24
Speaker 1: see that and maybe want to watch it. Even though
33:27
Speaker 1: this might be a slightly darker version of Pinocchio, which
33:30
Speaker 1: the original version of Pinocchio was pretty dark. Knowing that
33:34
Speaker 1: Mr Del Toro considers Pinocchio kind of a Frankenstein story, Um,
33:39
Speaker 1: I absolutely want to watch it. And then the other
33:41
Speaker 1: property we're mashing up is Lord of the Rings because uh,
33:46
Speaker 1: we just got the title of the new Lord of
33:48
Speaker 1: the Rings second age television show for Amazon and it's
33:52
Speaker 1: going to be called Rings of Power. And I was like, well,
33:56
Speaker 1: that makes me feel I feel like Power Rangers are
33:58
Speaker 1: Green Lantern with Lord of the Rings. But then there's Pinocchio,
34:01
Speaker 1: and we've not mashed up Pinocchio yet, so right, and
34:04
Speaker 1: and since since Green lanterns not in the news, I
34:08
Speaker 1: was like, why are we picking Green Lantern and then
34:10
Speaker 1: Ariel said because of the Ring, Like, oh, of course,
34:13
Speaker 1: that's of course, that's why I just didn't see it
34:16
Speaker 1: because it wasn't in the news. So that's when we
34:19
Speaker 1: we switched to Pinocchio and Lord of the Rings. Oh,
34:22
Speaker 1: there's also one other Lord of the Rings news item
34:24
Speaker 1: out there, which is that someone has created a three
34:27
Speaker 1: hour long metal song that is the entirety of the
34:32
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings. So yeah, I mean he put
34:36
Speaker 1: some massive work into it. I did not listen to
34:37
Speaker 1: all three hours, but I did flip through at the
34:39
Speaker 1: beginning of his video on YouTube piece like this. This
34:42
Speaker 1: really falls into common use. Please please please please don't
34:44
Speaker 1: take it down. Well and and it's it's funny because
34:47
Speaker 1: so many different classic rock bands and metal bands have
34:52
Speaker 1: have referenced JRR Tolkien's work and their work. And of
34:56
Speaker 1: course Christopher Lee has done U All albums when he
35:01
Speaker 1: was well, he did metal albums in his history, so
35:06
Speaker 1: like there's there's a connection between metal and Lord of
35:09
Speaker 1: the Rings that goes back aways. Yeah, um, it's interesting.
35:12
Speaker 1: Will post it on our show notes in case you
35:15
Speaker 1: want to listen to three hours of Lord of the
35:17
Speaker 1: Ring Fellowship of the Rings Gone Metal. If it's still
35:20
Speaker 1: it by then, uh yeah, but it is interesting. Um so,
35:26
Speaker 1: I guess in case anybody doesn't know what Pinocchio is,
35:30
Speaker 1: a woodworker is lonely and he makes a son out
35:33
Speaker 1: of wood, and then a fairy brings it to life,
35:36
Speaker 1: and there's a cricket who acts as his conscience, and
35:38
Speaker 1: he gets into all sorts of trouble because he's a
35:40
Speaker 1: little wooden boy who doesn't know better. That's Pinocchio, and
35:43
Speaker 1: his dream is to become a real real live boy, yes,
35:48
Speaker 1: and that's his dream, and so spoiler spoiler alerting that
35:52
Speaker 1: he does become one at the end. And then of
35:54
Speaker 1: course Lord of the Rings is the epic fantasy saga
35:57
Speaker 1: that J. R. R. Tolkien wrote, uh that ended up
36:01
Speaker 1: becoming a sequel to The Hobbit. Wasn't necessarily intended that
36:04
Speaker 1: way when he was first kind of working on it.
36:06
Speaker 1: He's sort of retcons some stuff to make that transition
36:10
Speaker 1: work a little better, but it's uh, it was largely
36:13
Speaker 1: an excuse for him to create legends and stories based
36:16
Speaker 1: out of these languages he had created because Tolking was
36:19
Speaker 1: a linguist, and um, yeah, if you aren't familiar, the
36:23
Speaker 1: general story is that, uh, some Hobbits, which are these short,
36:28
Speaker 1: little human like critters, are taking a ring to taking
36:34
Speaker 1: the ring to to more Door, whereas the goblins are
36:37
Speaker 1: taking the Hobbits to Eizing Guard. But now they're taking
36:39
Speaker 1: the ring to Mordor, where the ring was first forged
36:42
Speaker 1: to unmake the ring because the ring represents the massive
36:46
Speaker 1: power of the big bad guy of the story, Sauron,
36:50
Speaker 1: and it is truly an epic. It is one book
36:56
Speaker 1: in three volumes, and of course those three volumes. Most
37:00
Speaker 1: amos Lee were adapted into films by Peter Jackson. Uh,
37:05
Speaker 1: and that's probably where most people these days have the
37:09
Speaker 1: connection to the Lord of the Rings, those who aren't
37:12
Speaker 1: mega nerds like me who read it once every couple
37:14
Speaker 1: of years. But do you read the similar Simillian Simillian?
37:18
Speaker 1: I have read it twice. I have not read it
37:21
Speaker 1: more than twice. It's good though, and the Sumaillian actually
37:25
Speaker 1: that ends up having stories that will be important in
37:27
Speaker 1: the Rings of Power series because the Rings of the
37:30
Speaker 1: Rings of Power, that series is going to take place
37:32
Speaker 1: several thousand years before the events of Lord of the Rings.
37:36
Speaker 1: It's kind of telling you the rise of Saron, whereas
37:40
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings is really the fall of Saron
37:43
Speaker 1: or the destruction of Saron. You know, and and like
37:46
Speaker 1: as a child growing up, the Simarillian h was a
37:50
Speaker 1: pretty dry read. But yes, but the stories that they're
37:54
Speaker 1: going to tell in this seem very exciting and I
37:57
Speaker 1: am looking forward to it. Yeah, me too. So we're
38:01
Speaker 1: going to be mashing up Lord of the Rings in Pinocchio.
38:04
Speaker 1: Who do you want to go first? Aerial, I'll put
38:06
Speaker 1: it to you this way. We're probably gonna have to
38:08
Speaker 1: do another break before it's all over all right, I'll
38:11
Speaker 1: go first, um, and my story actually uh deals with
38:17
Speaker 1: Denna Thor, who was the steward of Gondor, Gondar being
38:20
Speaker 1: like the most powerful, um, most prominent kingdom of men
38:24
Speaker 1: in Middle Earth in the Third Age UM and his
38:28
Speaker 1: two sons, Boromir and Farimir. And in the books spoiler
38:32
Speaker 1: Boromir dies played by Sean Bean in the movie, so
38:35
Speaker 1: you immediately know he's going to die. And uh, Farremeir
38:39
Speaker 1: is his other brother played by David Wynham. Um, so
38:43
Speaker 1: this is who doesn't die. This is very He goes
38:46
Speaker 1: on to be in van helsing Um. So this is
38:49
Speaker 1: very not canonically, um, not canonically Okay, so this is
38:56
Speaker 1: my uh in Denni thorst Is is the leader of Gondor,
39:00
Speaker 1: the most prominent kingdom of man. Okay, this this is
39:03
Speaker 1: called dam Petto's two sons and the stewards of the
39:06
Speaker 1: Gondor Workshop. Okay, So den Petto Oka Denni Thor was
39:12
Speaker 1: a master would worker. He was the best ward worker
39:15
Speaker 1: in all of Italy. Everyone from near and far knew
39:18
Speaker 1: about his store, the Gondor Workshop, and den Petto was
39:21
Speaker 1: desperately lonely. I mean He had some pets and stuff,
39:24
Speaker 1: but what he really wanted was a son, So one
39:27
Speaker 1: day he carved one and named it Bornoccio. One night,
39:32
Speaker 1: while wishing on a star, much to Dempetto's delight, a
39:34
Speaker 1: magical blue elf showed up and brought little Bornoccio to life.
39:38
Speaker 1: And I don't mean like making this little wooden boy
39:40
Speaker 1: come to life. Now it's a live wooden boy. The
39:43
Speaker 1: magical creature turned to Bornoccio into a really real boy,
39:46
Speaker 1: and for a short time everyone was happy. Barnoccio was
39:50
Speaker 1: a help around the house, eager to please and fearless,
39:52
Speaker 1: but it didn't take long for dan Petto to realize
39:55
Speaker 1: how much work a really real boy was. And as
39:58
Speaker 1: much as he loved Bornoccio, for Gnoccio was a handful
40:01
Speaker 1: and often let his ambition get him into trouble, Dempetto
40:04
Speaker 1: barely had time for his woodworking. Now. Barnoccio had recently
40:08
Speaker 1: started asking his father for a little brother, so dan
40:10
Speaker 1: Petto obliged, figuring at best, the blue Elf would show
40:13
Speaker 1: up and alive in this new child as well as
40:16
Speaker 1: Barnoccio and his sibling could keep each other entertainment, and
40:19
Speaker 1: at worst, Barnoccio would have a new my buddy toy. However,
40:22
Speaker 1: Dan Petto, now having very a very active son and
40:26
Speaker 1: not much time food for woodworking, didn't have as much
40:29
Speaker 1: time and attention to devote to carving this new son.
40:33
Speaker 1: When he finished carving it, he thought that's fairly good
40:36
Speaker 1: and good enough, and wished upon a star, hoping for
40:38
Speaker 1: the blue elf to appear again. She did, and once
40:41
Speaker 1: again she brought this new boy to life. Although this
40:44
Speaker 1: he was wooden, because you don't get that lucky, and
40:48
Speaker 1: Dempetto named this new fairly good and good enough wooden
40:51
Speaker 1: boy fare Mere. But Farremere wasn't good enough. He was
40:56
Speaker 1: just fairly good. You see, his features weren't his finely
41:00
Speaker 1: chiseled as Bornoccio. Dempto had had less time invested in him,
41:05
Speaker 1: but that didn't stop Pharremeir. Pharremere was gentler, calmler, and
41:09
Speaker 1: more level headed the Mornoccio. While Dampedo loved Farremere, sure
41:13
Speaker 1: Farremere was more of a puppet to him, and so
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Speaker 1: Dennethor always favored Barnocio more. And whenever Bornoccio got into trouble,
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Speaker 1: Dan Petto would send Pharomere to bail him out. One day,
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Speaker 1: while on an errand for Dempedo, Barnoccio met some rowdy
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Speaker 1: Hobbit boys and decided to join their gang of infinite
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Speaker 1: carousing in eleven seas. Dempeto sent Pharremere out to find Barnoccio,
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Speaker 1: which he did, but getting him safely out of the
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Speaker 1: Hobbit gang was difficult and took a long time. You see,
41:41
Speaker 1: Barnoccio was corrupted by their thoughts and he didn't want
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Speaker 1: to leave. He thought he could lead the gang himself,
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Speaker 1: and Pharremir wanted to get him out without fighting. So
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Speaker 1: it just took a long time, and when the boys
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Speaker 1: didn't return home, Dempedo got worried and went out searching
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Speaker 1: for them, but he couldn't find them, and in his
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Speaker 1: regret for being so careless with his sons, he threw
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Speaker 1: himself to the sea to be devoured by the giant
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Speaker 1: whale of font named Monstro. When the boys got home
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Speaker 1: and couldn't find their father, the Blue Health appeared and
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Speaker 1: told them what had happened. They asked if there was
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Speaker 1: anything they could do to rescue him, and alas there
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Speaker 1: was not. After a respectable time of morning, Farremir took
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Speaker 1: over the Gondor Workshop, and it was more successful than ever,
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Speaker 1: and Bornoccio went off adventuring again. Some say he fell
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Speaker 1: back into the Gang of Hobbits, some say he died,
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Speaker 1: and some say he hides up in the attic of
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Speaker 1: the Gondor Workshop and shame blowing the opening and closing
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Speaker 1: horn each day. The end well done. I think the
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Speaker 1: whale of font might have been my favorite part. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: I liked you know. Now now I want to see
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Speaker 1: artwork of a whale of font. Uh yeah, I uh is.
42:48
Speaker 1: I can tell you for certain that your version and
42:51
Speaker 1: my version are very different. Oh good, yeah, well, um,
42:55
Speaker 1: but my version is a long one. And so what
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Speaker 1: we're we're gonna do is I'm going to start it
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Speaker 1: and then when I find a good stopping place, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna take a break and we'll come back, just like
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Speaker 1: Peter Jackson did with the movies. Didn't anger you, No, no,
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Speaker 1: it didn't anger me. What angered me was when he
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Speaker 1: departed from the text and started inserting things like Ergorn
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Speaker 1: falling off a cliff and having a whole near death
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Speaker 1: experience and all that stuff, and creating changes in character motivations,
43:28
Speaker 1: making Fair a mere less of a good guy that
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Speaker 1: really kind of that kind of was grinding my gears.
43:34
Speaker 1: But no, we're gonna, I'm gonna get out the listen.
43:37
Speaker 1: This is not one of those mashups where it's secretly
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Speaker 1: just holding a very long Jonathan rant. There is some
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Speaker 1: Jonathan ranting in it because you can't get away from that.
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Speaker 1: But no, mine is called Lord of the Puppets or
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Speaker 1: Puppet of the Rings. Yeah, Bilbo Baggins has a problem,
43:57
Speaker 1: and it's addiction. He's addicted to many things, rich foods, adventures,
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Speaker 1: showing disdain towards his nasty relatives, but above all, he
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Speaker 1: has an addiction to this ring he won from galam
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Speaker 1: so many years ago. That addiction concerns the wizard Gandolf,
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Speaker 1: who knew of a ring of power, but was not
44:15
Speaker 1: aware that it was the ring of power. But after
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Speaker 1: the Necromancer of Mirkwood gets rhetconned into Sauron, it became
44:24
Speaker 1: clear that evil things were set in motion, and since
44:27
Speaker 1: Saruman the White seemed to be going off his rocker,
44:30
Speaker 1: Gandalf took it upon himself to look into this whole
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Speaker 1: ring issue. So then Bilbo has his eleventy first birthday
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Speaker 1: and he turns he uses the ring to vanish in
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Speaker 1: front of all the people at his party, and this
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Speaker 1: is all in preparation for Bilbo to leave Hobbiton behind
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Speaker 1: and go a walk about in Middle Earth, but Gandalf
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Speaker 1: convinces Bilbo that he should perhaps leave the ring behind. Bilbo,
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Speaker 1: reluctant to do this at first, is finally convinced to
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Speaker 1: hand over the ring to his nephew's care. But this
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Speaker 1: concerns Gandalf even more because see, Bilbo's nephew is a
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Speaker 1: wooden puppet that he calls Pinocchio Baggins. Over the last
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Speaker 1: couple of decades, Bilbo has brought the dang puppet with
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Speaker 1: him everywhere, even sets out a dinner plate for Pinocchio
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Speaker 1: each evening. Though the puppet is, you know, a puppet,
45:24
Speaker 1: It's just made of wood and strings. It's it's really
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Speaker 1: kind of sad, but sad or not. Bilbo has found
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Speaker 1: a magistrate in the shire who has allowed Bilbo to
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Speaker 1: name Pinocchio as his heir, and so once Bilbo leaves
45:38
Speaker 1: the puppet inherits everything and the people Hobbiton have already
45:42
Speaker 1: been burned before, thinking Bilbo was dead and gone, so
45:46
Speaker 1: they actually don't go ransacking his home this time anyway,
45:50
Speaker 1: Gandalf leaves a warning with Pinocchio so that whomever finds
45:53
Speaker 1: it knows that should shady shenanigans begin and back end,
45:57
Speaker 1: it would be wise to take the ring and make
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Speaker 1: a break for Rivendell. Enter Sam Wise Gamgee, the local
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Speaker 1: gardener in Simpleton, prone to flights of fancy. See. Sam
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Speaker 1: Wise is convinced that Pinocchio is in fact a real
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Speaker 1: boy that's just trapped inside the frame of a puppet,
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Speaker 1: something that I should stress no one has ever found
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Speaker 1: any evidence showing it. And so while visiting Pinocchio one day,
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Speaker 1: the puppet is slumped over a writing desk and there's
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Speaker 1: like a quill slowly dribbling black ink on an otherwise
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Speaker 1: blank piece of parchment. Sam Wise sees Gandalf's warning note,
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Speaker 1: and you know, there's been talk of these spectral creatures
46:37
Speaker 1: of unspeakable dread poking around the shire recently, so that
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Speaker 1: seems like something shady enough to warrant a quick getaway.
46:44
Speaker 1: So Sam grabs Pinocchio and shoves the envelope with the
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Speaker 1: ring into Pinocchio's pocket, and then drags Pinocchio through the
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Speaker 1: shire on the way to the small town of Bree.
46:55
Speaker 1: On the way, he encounters Mary and Pippin, who think
46:58
Speaker 1: it's pretty darn funny that Sam Eyes believes that the
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Speaker 1: puppets a real boy, and they joke about it a lot,
47:03
Speaker 1: but you know, out of earshot of sad wise, and
47:05
Speaker 1: they totally want to see how far this thing is
47:07
Speaker 1: gonna go, so they tag along and breathe. The three
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Speaker 1: Hobbits and the Puppet encounter a mysterious man known as Strider,
47:15
Speaker 1: but that's really Arigarn, the rightful King of Gondor, and
47:18
Speaker 1: they continue their trip. There's a brief delay at weather Top,
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Speaker 1: a large hill, when a bunch of those unspeakably creepy
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Speaker 1: shadow figures attack them, but they get away and they
47:29
Speaker 1: make an escape to Rivendell, where they meet up with Gandalf.
47:33
Speaker 1: Bilbo happens to be there too. Bilbo, of course, is
47:36
Speaker 1: really happy to see his quote unquote nephew again. But
47:39
Speaker 1: at the Council of l Ron, when there's this big
47:41
Speaker 1: debate over what to do with the ring, the Pinocchio
47:45
Speaker 1: Puppets slumps a bit out of his chair at just
47:48
Speaker 1: the right moment to volunteer to take the ring to
47:50
Speaker 1: mor door and be unmade in the fires and Mount Doom,
47:53
Speaker 1: and so the Fellowship of the Ring is born, and
47:56
Speaker 1: they all take turns dragging Pinocchio through Middle Earth. That
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Speaker 1: includes Gandalf, Bora Mere, Legolis, Gimli, the Dwarf, sam Wise,
48:04
Speaker 1: Mary and Pippen and then you got the puppet. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: Then they have to go through Moria to get through
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Speaker 1: the Misty Mountains and they discover the Dwarves who had
48:13
Speaker 1: reclaimed Maria. We're all exterminated. And then Gandalf fights a
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Speaker 1: bow Rock and then he apparently dies. And then bor
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Speaker 1: A Mere, while trying to get the envelope out of
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Speaker 1: Pinocchio's pocket, scares off the Hobbits and then he gets
48:26
Speaker 1: shot a whole bunch by Orcs and then everyone splits up.
48:29
Speaker 1: This is where we end the first movie. But I
48:31
Speaker 1: got two more to go through, so we're gonna take
48:33
Speaker 1: a quick break. Do Do Do Do Do Do do?
48:47
Speaker 1: Our story so far? Okay, Yeah, the Fellowship of the Ring,
48:49
Speaker 1: all right, now we're picking up. Sam Wise ends up
48:52
Speaker 1: taking Pinocchio the Puppet with him on a boat and
48:55
Speaker 1: escapes and they continue their trip to Mordor, and actually, honestly,
49:00
Speaker 1: not a whole lot happens to them for a really
49:02
Speaker 1: good long time. But since we're only really interested in
49:05
Speaker 1: Pinocchio here, we're gonna stick with them while everybody else
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Speaker 1: is having adventures that involved like Rohan and Gondor and
49:12
Speaker 1: glad Reel and stuff like that. Anyway, Sam Wise, Gamgee
49:16
Speaker 1: and Pinocchio Baggins discover, well, Sam discovers because you know,
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Speaker 1: Pinocchio is and I cannot stress this enough just a
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Speaker 1: puppet that Gollum Gollum is actually tracking them. And eventually
49:28
Speaker 1: Sam catches Gollum, and after a tussle, Gollum and Sam
49:32
Speaker 1: come to an agreement that Gollum is going to guide
49:34
Speaker 1: them to more door. McCollum is secretly trying to figure
49:38
Speaker 1: out how to get the ring. It's just, well, you see,
49:42
Speaker 1: puppets freak Gollum out man. I mean, his sister used
49:46
Speaker 1: to terrorize him with puppets, and he's always thought they
49:49
Speaker 1: were really creepy. And he has this one recurring nightmare
49:52
Speaker 1: about being in a room, like a dark, shady room,
49:55
Speaker 1: and there's a puppet on a chair, and the puppet
49:57
Speaker 1: just turns its head toward him all on its own,
49:59
Speaker 1: and then he wakes up screaming and wetting himself, so
50:01
Speaker 1: you know there's trauma there. Anyway, they continue on to
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Speaker 1: more door, and on the way they're captured by a
50:07
Speaker 1: group of rangers led by Pharomir, the brother to bor
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Speaker 1: a Mere. But Farremir got hit on the head pretty
50:14
Speaker 1: hard in a recent battle and he will only talk
50:17
Speaker 1: to Pinocchio, and he says that Pinocchio explained everything and
50:20
Speaker 1: it toats makes sense, so they can keep on going.
50:23
Speaker 1: So then Galum takes Sam who's pulling you know, Pinocchio behind,
50:28
Speaker 1: to Kirass Ungle, which is where this giant spider named
50:32
Speaker 1: Sheila lives, and Pinocchio gets bitten by Sheilab but Pinocchio
50:36
Speaker 1: is just a puppet, so really Sheila just bites some wood.
50:40
Speaker 1: But Sam wise cries out because he sees his friend
50:43
Speaker 1: blinded and paralyzed, except, of course, his friend is a
50:46
Speaker 1: puppet which can't see or move anyway, but whatever, so
50:49
Speaker 1: Sam Wise, assuming Pinocchio to be dead, takes the ring. However,
50:53
Speaker 1: then Sam ways, here's some orcs who have found the
50:56
Speaker 1: puppet and they're talking about doing some very not nice
50:59
Speaker 1: things to the puppet, and Sam realizes that Pinocchio is
51:02
Speaker 1: still alive, except again, he's a puppet. So sam Wise
51:06
Speaker 1: rescues Pinocchio from the Orcs, and then they keep on
51:09
Speaker 1: going to more door without Gollum right by their side
51:12
Speaker 1: because now they toads. No Gollum was up to no good.
51:14
Speaker 1: But don't worry. Gollum is still shadowing them from a distance,
51:18
Speaker 1: and at one point sam Way says to Pinocchio, I
51:21
Speaker 1: can't carry the ring, Masta Pinocchio, but I can carry you.
51:24
Speaker 1: But that's really weird because he was always carrying Pinocchio.
51:28
Speaker 1: But whatever. Anyway, they get to Mount Doom, and a
51:30
Speaker 1: lot of other stuff is going on in other parts
51:32
Speaker 1: of the Middle Earth, but we don't care about that
51:34
Speaker 1: bit because that's not where Pinocchio is. So they get
51:36
Speaker 1: inside the volcano and then Pinocchio kind of starts smoldering
51:39
Speaker 1: a bit because wood and lava don't mix. But sam
51:42
Speaker 1: Wise pushes Pinocchio toward a cliff where the ring can
51:44
Speaker 1: be thrown into the lava, except, of course, Pinocchio can't
51:48
Speaker 1: throw the ring because he is I repeat once again,
51:51
Speaker 1: a puppet. But then Gollum, overcoming his intense fear of puppets,
51:56
Speaker 1: pounces on Pinocchio in an attempt to rest away the
51:59
Speaker 1: ring and he does so, but then Gollum loses his
52:02
Speaker 1: balance in the process and tumbles over the side of
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Speaker 1: the cliff and Sam Wise grabs Pinocchio and pulls him
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Speaker 1: out the volcano, and then they get ready to die. Well,
52:10
Speaker 1: Sam gets ready to die. Pinocchio is a puppet. He's
52:12
Speaker 1: not alive, So Samways says a sweet goodbye to Pinocchio,
52:16
Speaker 1: but then he sees a miraculous sight an eagle descending
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Speaker 1: to rescue them, and Sam Ways and Pinocchio eventually returned
52:22
Speaker 1: to the shire, and Sam Ways quietly plops Pinocchio back
52:26
Speaker 1: at that same writing desk we saw at the beginning
52:28
Speaker 1: of these movies. And Pinocchio is a bit worse for
52:30
Speaker 1: wear now some of his strings are broken, He's got
52:33
Speaker 1: scorch marks from the volcano on him. Oh, also, Gollum
52:36
Speaker 1: bit off one of his fingers, but he is home.
52:39
Speaker 1: And then many decades later, the elves load Pinocchio onto
52:42
Speaker 1: a ship heading to the Gray Havens because they think
52:45
Speaker 1: it's funny. The end. I I love your I love
52:50
Speaker 1: how your mashup of Lord of the Rings and Pinocchio
52:53
Speaker 1: is really just like Weekend at Bernie's. Yeah, you're right,
53:00
Speaker 1: there's an awful lot of weekend at Bernie's there. I
53:02
Speaker 1: did not, however, incorporate any of Weekend at Bernie's too,
53:05
Speaker 1: because at no point does the puppet move on its own. No. No,
53:10
Speaker 1: And of first I was like, here, a little me
53:11
Speaker 1: just calling him just a puppet. But he is just
53:13
Speaker 1: a puppet, and that's okay. He's never alive in my story.
53:18
Speaker 1: He's just a puppet the very end, the elves having
53:21
Speaker 1: the good humor to let him onto boat. That was.
53:24
Speaker 1: That was a brilliant cherry on top. It's always good
53:28
Speaker 1: to have a little extra wood on board in case
53:29
Speaker 1: you ever have to patch a hole in the boat.
53:32
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that's where you went with that sentence. Yeah.
53:38
Speaker 1: So that was my attempt at mashing up Pinocchio and
53:41
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings. I did originally. I was originally
53:44
Speaker 1: going to have it where Pinocchio was a an animated
53:47
Speaker 1: puppet going through Lord of the Rings. But then I thought, well,
53:50
Speaker 1: this is just Lord of the Rings. Let's make it
53:51
Speaker 1: really weird. Yeah. Yeah, well I think you did brilliantly,
53:56
Speaker 1: my friend. And to our wonderful, delightful listeners out there,
54:01
Speaker 1: if you've got a different idea of how Pinocchio and
54:04
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54:06
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54:09
Speaker 1: that Frodo starts lying like crazy because his nose will
54:13
Speaker 1: sharpen to a lance and he can skewer the Ring
54:16
Speaker 1: raiths or something, because that would have been cool if
54:19
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54:20
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54:23
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54:26
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54:27
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