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Activism in the North of England — with Cumbria Action · UK Column Radio

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Hello everyone. This is Diane Rasmussen with UK
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column. I'm really happy to be here
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today talking with Brent Holloway and Chris Allen from
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Cumbria Action. I had the pleasure of meeting
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them fairly recently when I went to one of their rallies and
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spoke about Digital ID and Agenda 2030 and at all of the
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really important issues facing us right now in this country and
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around the world. So Chris and Brent, thank you so
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much for joining us today. I'd like to just have you maybe
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introduce a little bit about yourselves and about Crumbria
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actions. So whoever would like to go
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first, I'm happy to hear from you.
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Thanks. I, I suppose I should start, I,
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I created the group in early or to mid early September and
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haven't looked around online wanting to get involved in, in
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local activism primarily haven't seen and witnessed what's
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happened low down the country, the likes of Epping and the
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successes that they've had there.
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Just simply by having a calm, peaceful approach to resisting
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the, the regime as it was. I looked around my local area to
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see if there was anything going on that I could get involved in
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and having come up fairly dry or, or or some of the groups
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weren't necessarily on message with what I believed in.
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I just thought, well, I'll, I'll make my own and not, not really
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thinking it was going to explode in the way that it did.
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Yeah, It it really took off you. Think it's the thing that got it
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to to go off so quickly. I think there are a huge section
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of our society that have gone unheard and unnoticed for the
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longest time. The, the, I'm sure we're all
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aware in every circle we move and there's a lot of people that
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lean in and whisper when when they talk about the issues of
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today and giving people that platform to voice it and a
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direction to go in has been extremely positive.
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People have latched onto it really quite enthusiastically
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because they suddenly have a voice and we have a Direct Line
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to the, the people in local power.
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Whereas before people are emailing and and voting and, and
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seemingly being ignored. But with cumbiar action and and
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that that message and and the unifier of having a, a central
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area for people to assemble and and voice those opinions has
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been, has been a real asset to the county in my opinion.
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That was my impression when I was there with you a few weeks
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ago, that there were a lot of people really, really frustrated
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and patient with things and, and really wanted their, their
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voices heard. And I was actually, I was really
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happy with how positive the whole thing felt.
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Personally, I, I don't know if it's been that way for
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everything that you've done so far, but just that, that sense
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of community and that sense of I'm not alone, I'm not the only
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crazy one thinking these things are feeling this way.
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I I think it, it was, yeah, it was if really good to feel that
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for me personally. They're, they're all of a
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similar mind and like if they coming out of the woodwork,
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people sort of do the Gopher thing and, and pop their heads
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above, above the ground and notice actually there's, there's
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another 10,000 Gophers out here in this field, you know, and
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that's, that's a real positive message.
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I think my favourite part of the day was seeing that group of
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teenage boys giving each other a group hug when I was when I was
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there. It's great to see young people.
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It was so, it was so, it was great.
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It was just really a yeah, we're reaching people for reaching
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teenage boys. We're reaching some people.
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So. So Brent, how did you get
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involved in the group? I've been involved in activism
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for 15 years or so or more. It's been, it's been a long
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time. And after the Manchester Arena
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bombings, I ran a group called Standing for Britain.
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We did a lot of protests against all forms of terrorism, match
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with the Veterans Against Terrorism and the Football Lads
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Alliance and things. And then during the whole COVID
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to her COVID nonsense, during the lockdowns, I've organised
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local meetups in Cumbria, getting people together when
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everyone else is isolating. I've helped my best mate Tim to
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set up the the UK's first Awake festival, Carry on Camping.
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And from that, a lot of other festivals springboarded from
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that. And we purposely put on the that
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our first festival to bring people together.
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We purposely put it on during lockdown because we've never
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complied with this sort of thing.
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And I've also, I've actually got a track record of having a small
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victory against the medical establishment and basically
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reclaiming my bodily autonomy. And then more recently with I've
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seen Chris's group, originally Carlyle Action, then formed
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Cumbria Action and wanted to get involved.
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I liked what he did and what he stood for.
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So I've got involved and we've already had a couple of great,
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great demonstrations with lots more in the pipeline as well.
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So you've been, you've been quite active for a while.
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Was it was 2020 what woke you up or were you active before that?
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I've seen for a good number of years seeing what's happening to
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this country and the way things are going.
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And then it was after the Manchester Arena bombings,
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that's when I ran a group called Standing for Britain.
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And over a good number of years we had various protests and
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demonstrations, supported other groups and we did a lot in terms
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of activism from that. So it started with that group
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against all forms of terrorism. And I've kind of always been
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awake since since then. I always like to question
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things. So when the start of news
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reports came out surrounding COVID, my first reaction was to
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actually look into it myself, Look at the, the research and
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the, and the data. Even though in the beginning, it
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was early stages and stories just didn't, didn't quite add
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up. Things from for example, the
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false reporting using things like the PCR tests, which
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doesn't show you what, what actually you're, you're sick
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with. And just the fact that if
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somebody dies within 28 days of a COVID test, it goes down as a
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COVID test. So very quickly realised
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something was a bit bit fishy. And I also have a little bit
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not, not so much a problem with authority, but when when the
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government tells me I can't go out, I have to stay in my house.
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I actually went out more during the lockdowns than I did
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previously because I wasn't going to stay inside.
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It was good to be out during that time because there wasn't
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any traffic. I had some some nice car rides
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and things during that period because you weren't you weren't
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fighting anybody for space on the roads.
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Looks great. Yeah.
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I mean, that's, you know, that's, that's great to hear
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that you've been involved for so long.
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And it's the the fact that you're still here doing the work
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is, is what is what is really to me inspirational about this.
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Because I think something that we've seen, I guess in the past
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couple of years, you know, sort of like that people think that
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we're back to normal. But of course, you both know
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that we're not. And that it's, it's actually
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getting more pressure on us now, I think because they're
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panicking and they're not where they want to be.
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And This is why we have to keep working.
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And this is one of the things that I would like us to, to talk
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about. And because of what we're trying
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to do is to get people to realise that we can all do
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something, which is why I was really, really anxious to talk
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to you, because you're doing something local in your
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community. And this is what we think we
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need to be doing around the country.
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So it's great to hear that you've been involved for so long
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and that you're, you're still, you're still doing it.
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I guess I'd like to ask you, because you've been doing this
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for so long and you were organising lockdown protests.
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And So what what do you see in the differences in the sort of
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the responses that you get and the participation that you get
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if you compare 2020 and 2025, do you think there's a difference
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in in the people that are joining you I.
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Think there's a massive difference.
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The the first big difference is the numbers, whether, whether
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you look to social media, for example, when, when any, any
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time a news story came out around COVID and the lockdowns,
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the majority of all, all the feeds and everything that was
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getting talked about on social media was in support of the
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whole fake pandemic. And it was a case of the few
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people that would comment asking questions would be shut down
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straight away. But I've found that on social
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media recently, it's it's kind of flipped on its on its head.
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So the most people that kind of talk on these sort of stories
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actually point out all the the full support in and are actually
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awake to to COVID and the lockdowns and things.
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And then even with demonstrations and seen numbers
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increase, I've seen less people wearing wearing masks and just
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in in general, I think that people are fed up with Theo with
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the lockdowns, people can see how ridiculous it was.
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And as a as a positive thing. I think that even though that's
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with their agenda, they're, they're going to keep pushing
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these sorts of things. They may in the future be the
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pandemics and and lockdowns and things, but people are wise to
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it now. People are fed up with it.
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So I don't think in any regard they're going to have the same
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sort of effect as they did previously.
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And also, for example, going through organising these
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lockdown protests and then helping my friend with these
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Carry on camping festivals kind of brought people together.
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So even though a lot of friends and family kind of pushed me
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aside kind of from my views on speaking out against COVID, I've
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gained so much more friends through these meetups and these
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these festivals. So there's actually a real
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community that has come together through that.
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And one thing I've found through this is that nobody needs to
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feel alone anymore. So even if they do in the future
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have more lockdowns, more restrictions, things like that,
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I think there's now like a really good grass roots
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community of people that will support each other and not
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comply with this nonsense. So it's really good to see this
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sort of community coming together.
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I, I, I think what I'm seeing is that even though there are
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people who think, oh, we're back to normal, we don't have to keep
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fighting. What I do see, and this is just
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be sort of reading, you know, Facebook comments on, you know,
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the, all of the posts recently saying, Oh, it's time to line up
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for your winter jabs, get your boosters now.
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And, and, and you see all the comments people like, no, I'm
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not doing it. It's ridiculous.
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I'm not doing it. And, and, but they're, they
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keep, they keep trying to push down on people saying you've got
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to get your COVID boost, you've got to get your flu, your flu
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booster. And I, I just see it's a very
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different response to what I used to see back, you know, 2021
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when everyone was lining up for it all.
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And, and I think unfortunately people have learned the hard
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way. They've lost people they loved
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because they've passed away from, you know, the, the, the
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MNRARNRA side effects. They've lost family members that
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didn't agree with them. They've, they've lost friends.
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But I think as you said, though, the, the positive side of that
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is that we're all, we've all had to create new relationships with
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new people. And, and, and I think in some
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cases, because we found people that are maybe more like minded
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than what we had in our lives previously, that some of those
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relationships, I think for some people are more meaningful and,
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and based on a common understanding and a way of
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seeing the world. And that we're, we're actually,
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we are, I think, creating community that maybe we didn't
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have previously. And even though it's been sad
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that we've all lost people, whether it's just through ending
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relationships, which I hear about constantly, or people who
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have sadly passed and will never be with us again, what we have
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to do, I think is rebuild and move forward.
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And we have great opportunities to do that.
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We just have to get out and do it.
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And and so going back to you, Chris, if we're thinking
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locally, which is where I think that's where a lot of this needs
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to lie as locally because we can't, we can't go out and
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defeat the UNS agenda single handedly.
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So we have to start locally. And what I've been saying for a
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while is we branch out. So we start in or we start for
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me, you know, here in County Durham where we start wherever
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we are and then we join together.
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But we have to have be strong locally.
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So I'd like to hear a little bit more from you about when you
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started, what was Carlyle action and kind of just take us through
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the process of, you know, what you've done and what others who
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have helping you, Maxine and the others that are working with
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you. Like how did this, how did this
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grow so quickly? It was obviously very grassroots
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organic movements, but how? Like, how did this actually work
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for you? It, it absolutely grew like
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wildfire. I created the group on like a
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Wednesday afternoon and before I'd really had a chance to kind
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of go back and look at it again, I had 300 followers and I
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thought, Mikey, that was fast. And then by close to play of the
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first week we have 1000 and I kind of thought this is, this is
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mad. I'm just some, I'm just some
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bloke who's noticed there's an issue.
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I mean, I'm not alone in that, clearly.
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And that's literally all it took was just stepping out, creating
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that space. And people are clamouring for
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that voice and for that, for that understanding and for that.
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Because, you know, it's like when you post online, normally
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the only people who will contact you back are people you want to
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give you grief. You know, people who are ultra
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left wing who are calling you a Nazi, a bigot or whatever.
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If you just air a perfectly rational normal view, normally
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you get shot down. But having a having a positive
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space where everybody is of a similar mind.
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We all have differences of opinion of course, and that's
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remarkably healthy and normal. We shouldn't all be automatons
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thinking the same thing, but having that, having that network
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and that growing confidence for others to see has has spread it
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to to to huge numbers. It's it's a remarkably difficult
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to motivate people to do most things because very much like
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how they've engineered things, people are too busy working and
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trying to survive and raise their families.
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People haven't really got the time to put in to stand on
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street corners and, you know, do email letter writing campaigns
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to MP. People are just too busy trying
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to survive the week. So having that haven't, that's
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that space locally where we can concentrate on local matters has
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been a godsend for, for, for the group, the movement as a whole
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and and more importantly, the local people who who, like I
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said earlier, have gone unnoticed, unheard.
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You know, it's it's a pleasure to to see people come together.
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I know that we all have issues that are some are all over the
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country, all over the world, honestly, based on globalist
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agendas and so on. But then we have local issues
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which are equally as important because that's when we see how
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they're putting the agenda into place.
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And they know that for you in Cumbria.
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And I'd like to hear you talk about this, that there's been
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the sort of what was the City of Sanctuary and now the Council of
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Sanctuary. And I know that's been a very
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recent thing for you. So I'd like to hear a little bit
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about that. We, we became aware of it.
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We, we have, we have certain whistleblowers and, and, and,
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and people who are aware of the, the, the local political machine
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who've advised us about various things that are coming our way.
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They have announced this city of sanctuary idea in puff pieces in
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the local press, but these are always puff pieces where they
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switch off the comments of course and people don't really
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have their say or the opportunity to oppose it.
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Now we were made aware that they were having a meeting last week
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and where they were going to basically just rubber stampness.
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And from listening to some of the the the media pieces about
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our our attendance and our protest there.
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These meetings normally go completely unattended,
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completely unseen and unheard. And they were remarkably
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surprised to see fifty of our members arrive to oppose the the
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bill. They were entirely unprepared
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for the fact that the population don't want this and are willing
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to stand up and say no. They are so used to just rubber
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stamping everything that they wish.
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Now these people don't even read the bills.
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I'm sure. I'm sure they just think, well
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that sounds like a lovely thing to do so we'll just approve it.
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Well they never really appear to think about the negative impacts
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on on the local population. It's already strained.
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Britain as a whole is welcoming people and Cumbria especially
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our, our economy is based on, in many ways on tourism to the
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local area to, to the beautiful Lake District and, and the
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various other things that we've got to offer.
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So we're a very welcoming and open community as it is.
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We're not, we're not against strangers or other people coming
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to, to, to visit here and, and enjoy what we've got to offer.
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But at the same time, there are people that, that can't afford
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to live and the people that have been waiting 18 months for a
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dental appointment. And there's people that, you
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know, are finding the same struggles that, that people
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across the country are feeling. And I think just to simply
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rubber stamp a new policy which invites whoever they wish to
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come and join and live here, I think without any real oversight
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or or fact finding is is reckless in, in the in in the
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short term, but psychotic in the long term.
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This the, the infrastructure here is already at breaking
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point as it is. And I just think it's about time
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that these people heard the know from the population which is is
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is out there screaming at no and saying no.
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And finally, they they appear to be being heard for once could.
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You explain a little bit for people who might not be aware of
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what the sanctuary means, because it does sound very nice,
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but it's not exactly what it sounds like.
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So if you could maybe explain that a bit, yeah.
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It sounds absolutely delightful. I mean, if, if we were a huge
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success and the nation had a surplus, then of course, you
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know, it's, it's a, it's a beautiful thing.
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Basically the policy says we will open our city and, and our
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hearts, of course, to anybody that wants to come here,
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anybody, anybody that needs a leg up, anybody that needs help.
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And that includes migrants, both legal and illegal.
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That includes, as they say, victims of domestic violence.
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I'm not sure how that factors in.
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I think it was just more to kind of sweeten the deal publicly.
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Children who need fostering, all of the rest of it.
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Now, we all know that that's just a smokescreen.
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And what they actually mean is it's just more migrant people
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because, yeah, fair enough, we might be able to help a couple
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of domestic violence survivors, but this isn't a city where we
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don't actually have a dedicated women's refuge.
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Well, that would certainly be a good place to start.
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Rather than just opening the doors, perhaps if that's the
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focus, then we want to look after victims of domestic
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violence and and families in trauma and children and perhaps
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have dedicated services for them rather than just thinking, oh,
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we'll just add them to the pyre and hopefully nothing negative
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will come from it. Basically what they want is just
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to appear lovely and kind to the rest of the nation.
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And you know, that's nice in peacetime, but we are in a
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position where people are already struggling on a huge
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scale. So perhaps it's not really the
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focus of your local counsellor considering opening the doors to
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the entire third world. Perhaps we should open our doors
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to our local people first. No, I, I absolutely agree with
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that, you know, and, and that's someone who moved to this
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country was actually asked to come here to teach your children
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in universities of that was over 10 years ago.
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But I, I also know that the, the process that I went through was
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very, very different from what I'm seeing with, with those who
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are coming in. I paid a lot of money in visa
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fees over the years to be here legally had to meet certain
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criteria, background cheques, all of the application process.
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There was a, it was a points based system where you got
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points for I speak English as a native language.
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I had a doctorate. I was going to be making a
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certain salary. I had a certain amount of money
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to support myself to get over here it and it was a very
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intense process and I now have permanent settled status here.
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And I'm not complaining at all about what I went through
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because I think it's completely fair that if you move to another
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country you have to meet the regulations and and do what is
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expected of you. Well, we, we have, we have that
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in common. My, my wife is a, is a
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Philippine national and she went through this exact process that
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you just described. She now works for the NHS at the
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Infirmary and exactly the same process.
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I personally and our group is not anti migrant ITO.
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We're anti mass immigration where it's literally to the
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rafters as many people as we can fit.
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Selective migration is key because we take the talents from
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across the world and we can make what we have better.
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So it, it would be madness to deny the, the, the skills and
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talent of the world. If they want to come here, then
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snap them up, take them because it's an advantage to all of us.
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That's, that's, that's, that's absolutely key.
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So I'm, I'm fully aware of the, the, the difficult nature of
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actually getting here when you've got something to offer.
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It's a bizarre thing thing that you can come here and you can be
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off on life skills and just want to live on benefits and seem to
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be greenlit and rubber stamped all the way home, but when
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you've actually got some real skills, it's a it's an uphill
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battle. It makes no sense.
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And you know, it's, it's a 2 tier system if you ask me.
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You know, we talk about two tier tier is kind of this nickname
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that some people have for him, but it is a a different,
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different system for different people for being here for
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different reasons. And one of the things I just saw
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yesterday in the the news was Rachel Reeves is now announcing,
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I don't remember the exact details, but she's announcing
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benefits for second wives for people in polygamous marriages.
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Now we know that's not British culture.
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It's not, it's not Christian culture.
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And, and I, and I actually thought about how I know about a
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lot of stories from people who come to me because obviously in
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my position, I hear a lot of stories from a lot of people
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and, and the struggles that they're facing.
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And this if, if, if more people knew about this, the people that
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are struggling for basic services and for people that
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have, you know, needed a council house for years and can't get
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one, even though they live in the city they were born in.
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And now we're seeing this coming in.
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It's, it's just to me, it's quite insulting personally just
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to see this. And I, and I'm sure that there
27:33
will be more outrage if this gets out more, but that these
27:37
are these are the things that we're actually facing when I
27:39
talk to people who say, you know, that people who are
27:43
getting immediate benefits when they're coming in from another
27:48
country. I've talked to a taxi driver
27:50
once. He was telling me he drives
27:51
people to council houses in his town, whereas his daughter can't
27:55
get one and she's needed one for years.
27:58
So these are the things we have to look at when we're looking at
28:02
limited resources. And I came here to add to your
28:04
country, not to take from it. And, and, and I think most of us
28:08
do come here with that intention that I come here for, you know,
28:13
different reasons other than what's happening.
28:16
And so this is the migration policy is, is very strange.
28:21
And we could get into larger discussions, but we're not here
28:24
to talk about that today behind maybe what's going on with that.
28:28
But yeah, it, it is quite, quite concerning.
28:35
I, I, I guess you know, back to Brent again, it, have you seen
28:42
over these last several years that you've been doing this?
28:47
Have you seen changes in not just numbers of people, but are
28:53
people just generally getting tired and fed up and don't want
28:57
to contribute anymore? Is that something that you're
28:59
seeing? Are you seeing that maybe we're,
29:02
are we turning a corner now like with this whole digital ID
29:04
thing? Are there is there like kind of
29:07
ups and downs, I guess in interest and participation is,
29:12
is what I'm, I'm trying to figure out now because it feels
29:14
like we're ramping up again after the rage of 2020 feels
29:18
like people are starting to come back.
29:20
But have you seen, because you've been doing this longer
29:22
than I have, have you seen a pattern in that things that get
29:26
people out and active and then then people just retreat?
29:30
Or is there any sort of, you know, any sort of response to
29:35
things? That's been, there has been some
29:38
changes over the years, but things like mass migration and
29:45
all the side effects that come with that from increased crime
29:51
from undocumented migrants that are coming in from.
29:55
The. How did you get doctor's
29:58
appointments and, and things like that?
30:00
There's these things have been around for a number of years
30:04
back when I was sort of marching.
30:08
We're standing for Britain. These things are still present
30:11
and and as I said, we standing for Britain was set up after the
30:14
Manchester Arena bombings. And so these things have have
30:20
happened for, for a long time, but they just seem to be, we're
30:26
getting to kind of like a tipping point and people's
30:30
frustrations are coming to the fore because as you mentioned,
30:34
there is actually a range of things that motivate people,
30:37
some, some more than others. And the biggest 1 is probably
30:44
the mass, mass immigration. It's one of the biggest problems
30:47
that we face. And I think that's kind of top
30:50
of the agenda for a lot of people because there's so many
30:54
effects that result from, from that.
30:59
But as you said, they're digital IDs as well.
31:01
And eventually will they'll take us towards digital currency and
31:07
social credit system. And and some, some people are
31:10
also awakened against that. But that's one of the things
31:13
with Cumbria Action is that we have a wide range of issues, a
31:22
wide range of people with various concerns.
31:25
But I guess the core tenant is people coming together and being
31:30
proactive in their community. And I think I think that's one
31:36
of the most effective things that people can do because I
31:41
know a lot of people, myself included, that get
31:43
dissolutionized with politics, especially at the, the top
31:48
level. And it's whether it's Labour or
31:51
Conservatives or Greens, it's nothing's ever going to change
31:56
within any of them. But that's not to say that
31:59
politics doesn't work or people can't have a an effective change
32:04
on their community, because I think I think politics still can
32:08
work at a local grassroots level.
32:11
So whether it's getting independent MPs or getting our
32:16
own people on the board, on councils, whether it be email or
32:22
letter campaigns, demonstrations and protests, there's a lot that
32:27
people can do to effect change in their in their community.
32:33
But even even if, even if it's not on any kind of political
32:36
activism sense, even looking back at the the lockdowns when
32:42
everybody was staying indoors, everybody was wearing masks.
32:47
But started bringing people together in in Cumbria for the
32:52
lockdowns and we were having 50-60.
32:56
I think we once we had 70 plus people together on on the fells
33:02
just walk in a nice big group, no masks, no social distancing,
33:05
nothing like that. And granted even on the Cumbria
33:09
fells in the middle of nowhere there were still people walking
33:12
out with masks on which was quite a comical sight to see.
33:18
And we still had all sorts of social distancing as well like
33:24
we had one. I wouldn't say call her crazy,
33:28
but she was very animated and there's a large group of us out
33:34
on the fells walking just happy, no mask, anything like that.
33:38
And she came up to us and she was telling us that this is
33:42
illegal, this is against the law.
33:44
There's more than six people here and, and all that sort of
33:47
nonsense. But but I found it positive
33:52
though, the fact of just people coming together and not being
33:56
isolated, getting out and just ignoring, ignoring these illegal
33:59
lockdowns. So I think I guess the point of
34:03
that is that whether it be political activism through
34:08
challenging councils and motion, things like that, or whether it
34:12
be just bringing people together and when they try and lock us
34:16
down, we simply say no. When we go down about, about our
34:19
business, there's a lot of positive things people can do.
34:23
And I think all stems from being informed, saying no and just
34:29
having having the the courage to to stand up for your own, for
34:32
your own rights and and those of people around you.
34:35
Yeah, it's, it's interesting to think about looking back at it
34:39
and what people believed and acted on at that time.
34:43
You know, if you'd had seven people in your walking group,
34:47
you, you know, you all could have died of COVID, right?
34:50
The six people was OK, you know, the things that they were saying
34:57
at the time were just and and I was living in Scotland in in
35:00
Glasgow at the time, which I think had the strictest
35:04
restrictions in anywhere in the UK because Nicola Sturgeon was
35:08
in charge and her her constituency was in Glasgow and
35:11
she wanted to outdo Boris Johnson in terms of making it
35:14
look like she was protecting people.
35:17
But on that note on local, local action, local councillors, I'd
35:22
like to hear from both of you on this issue because I think this
35:25
is incredibly important and it really gets to the heart of what
35:27
we should be doing is engaging with local councillors.
35:34
So I'm in County Durham, as I think you might know, and we
35:39
have majority reform council here, large overwhelming
35:43
majority reform from the the most recent election.
35:47
So things are quite different here.
35:49
We were the first county, this was over the summer to repeal
35:54
the net 0 funding nonsense because they realised that we
35:59
have a lot of other priorities, for example, going to taking
36:02
care of children with care needs and things where they decided to
36:06
redirect the money. And I, I attended that council
36:10
meeting when they, when they made that vote.
36:12
And it was interesting to watch how the decision happened
36:14
because you have the there's some remaining Lib Dems and
36:17
others that were there who were opposing this thing that was
36:21
ridiculous and that we needed to save the planet and all the
36:23
money kept needed to get, you know, get funded.
36:26
Funnelling back to the net zero scam.
36:29
Meanwhile, we have children who have who need to be, who need
36:32
help and care and can't get it because there's no money.
36:34
So one of the things that I think has been happening and,
36:37
and in my conversations with Brian Garish about this as well,
36:40
who has extensive experience with watching and and and trying
36:44
to engage with his council down in Plymouth for many years.
36:49
It it it it's, it seems like, and I agree with Brian on this
36:54
completely. And I was that basically we have
36:57
a lot, we have some local councillors who do want to do
37:00
the best that they can for their communities.
37:02
And the problem is that there's, there's the bigger systems that
37:06
are at play. So you can call it the UNI
37:09
party, you can call it the machines of both the Tories and
37:11
Labour, where their their motivation is going to be to try
37:16
to crush these newer people who might have come in through
37:20
grassroots means. I know that that's the case with
37:23
one of my counsellors in my ward where I live.
37:26
He's wonderful. He actually has helped me
37:28
install security lights in my house because I've been followed
37:31
home before by migrants and I felt really unsafe.
37:35
And so he came in and tried to make my home safer for me.
37:39
And, you know, that's true community.
37:41
And he's the one who's, you know, going to the council and
37:44
trying to get these things done. I, I couldn't be more thankful
37:48
for, for him being here to, to help those of us who live in
37:52
this area and, and have similar concerns, honestly.
37:57
But you know, it's, it's depending on who your
38:01
counsellors are, I think probably influences how you have
38:05
to gauge with them. So I'm very fortunate in the
38:08
sense that I have someone, I'm, I feel like it's on our side and
38:11
it's one of us essentially. But I, I understand from just
38:15
bits I've heard from, from the group and when I, when I was at
38:18
your event a few weeks ago, is that that's not necessarily the
38:21
case in Cumbria. So for you locally, what's going
38:26
on in your council? Do you know the parties who are,
38:29
who's the majority party or do you have one or and how does
38:32
that influence what you need to be doing to to work with them?
38:37
Well we we've got a predominantly left leaning
38:42
council across Cumberland essentially, and like you say,
38:49
there are some well meaning and excellent councillors who are
38:54
very much community focused and like the issue that you define
38:58
yourself. If there's a local problem they
39:02
will write, redirect resources and attempt to help.
39:06
But the overriding focus appears to be whatever the narrative
39:13
from Westminster is, is echoed here.
39:17
Which is fine. I know that there has to be a
39:22
focus for government, but it doesn't necessarily reflect the
39:27
needs of what this county needs. The needs of Cumbria are
39:33
completely different to the needs of Durham, for instance.
39:36
You know, we, we've got a different economy, a different
39:38
set up and, and certainly very different people.
39:42
And I'm sure since you've arrived in Britain, you've
39:45
noticed that you can drive 10 miles and it's a different place
39:50
completely. We, we are such a small pact in
39:53
Little Island that every, every district, every community, every
39:58
war has its own needs. And, and some of those are lucky
40:03
and do have councillors that give a damn, but the rest of
40:05
them appear to be just here to bang the drum.
40:10
But for the. Of the mainstream narrative that
40:13
that is accepted and is pushed and promoted by the, the media
40:18
machine. There's, there's lots of,
40:20
there's lots of focus on, on exterior forces and what
40:25
exterior people need over the, and to the detriment of the, the
40:33
local people. And, and the more we shine a
40:37
light on these things with the likes of Cumbria action and, and
40:40
the activism that Brent's done previously, the more people I'm
40:46
aware that people are not informed about what is
40:49
happening. And people are completely
40:51
unaware of what this decisions are being made by these elected
40:56
officials or in many cases unelected officials who are
41:00
making these, these huge swathing choices for people that
41:06
if they were actually publicly publicised and the public were
41:11
fully informed, they would say no.
41:14
And on that basis, that answers my own question.
41:17
That is why they will not publicise the he's these
41:20
policies and bills because they know that the public don't want
41:23
them. So they have this clandestine
41:27
quiet, let's just quietly put this through and no one will
41:31
notice. Well, in our recent activism,
41:34
we've put them on notice and that won't be accepted any
41:38
longer. We will promote and expose
41:42
everything that we're attempting to bring forward, be that
41:48
attendance like we did last week or just informing our
41:52
membership. Word of mouth is a beautiful
41:55
thing in in these close knit communities.
41:58
And if you can, if you can light the fire, the Gondor, they will
42:02
go far, I can tell you that. I, I, it was interesting to
42:06
watch what happens in, I used to live in, I lived in Edinburgh
42:10
before I moved here into County Durham and I lived in the area
42:14
of Edinburgh, which was I think kind of the test case for the 15
42:18
minute neighbourhood, 15 minute city agenda.
42:23
And they put up cameras and bus gates through one of the streets
42:28
that was kind of a major through fare for cars.
42:31
And it's a very congested and crowded area because it's on the
42:34
A8, which goes directly into the city.
42:36
So you, you have to drive through it if you're coming
42:39
from, from the West or from Glasgow.
42:42
And the, the, the cameras that they had put up around the bus
42:47
gates saying, you know, cars can't drive through here at
42:49
these times of day. And you'll get fined if you do
42:53
somebody, whoever it was, this was a couple of years ago where
42:56
they were climbing up the, the, to the cameras and covering up
43:00
the cameras or taking down the cameras at night when nobody was
43:03
watching. And the council and the
43:07
counsellor who was in, I know the council and the counsellor
43:10
who was in charge of, of all of this, who's now an MP, Scott
43:13
Arthur, who I engaged with personally on Twitter at the
43:16
time was, it was, was calling these people criminals for what
43:19
they were doing. And look at this horrible
43:21
criminal behaviour and they're awful people for interfering
43:25
with our cameras. But then what ended up happening
43:29
was they took down the cameras at the, in the end and they,
43:33
they, they cancelled the bus gate plan.
43:35
And then they came back to us and said, oh, look what we did.
43:39
We listened to you, please reelect us.
43:43
We took down the cameras and, and you know, and, and I always
43:48
think of that as an example that personally, I would not be
43:51
physically able to climb a pole and cover a camera in the middle
43:53
of the night. But whoever was doing that was
43:56
able to do it. And, and it was just to me, such
44:00
a great example of when we talk about doing something, they
44:03
literally did something. They covered the cameras and,
44:05
and cut and took them down. But I, I think that, you know,
44:09
in that case, because that was our area and that was the one
44:12
that was being directly affected.
44:13
And that was the thing that needed to happen was the camera
44:16
needed to go because we didn't want to get fined for driving
44:18
down the streets. So that's just one example.
44:21
But that again, is a very local problem.
44:24
That was that was the case where we lived.
44:26
And so whether it's, you know, whatever it is in, in your area
44:29
is what we need to and who, who is in charge and who's pushing
44:32
it because Scott Arthur, who was in charge of transportation for
44:36
Edinburgh Council was, was, is very into the agenda.
44:39
So that was what, what had to be done and it worked.
44:43
It was successful. So it was great.
44:46
Brent, what about you and and what kind of interactions have
44:50
you had with local councils over the years since since you've
44:54
been doing this work for so long?
44:56
Well, in terms of engaging specifically with the the
44:59
Council, that in its sense has been more of a recent
45:05
development with Cumbria Action. I mean during the Standing for
45:09
Britain days, we back when Gerard Batten was leader of
45:17
UKIP, we were working alongside political parties like that and
45:24
Independent News organisations and things like that push things
45:30
forward. So still kind of engaged with
45:35
with government. But it wasn't until I joined
45:39
Cumbria Action that I got more involved in like local, local
45:44
councils as it were back in the day.
45:47
It used to be more kind of higher, higher up with
45:54
connected, for example, Gerard Batten, people like Amery Waters
45:58
back in the height of for Britain and and UKIP.
46:04
But so so there's kind of different avenues.
46:07
You can, you can, you can go where there's local councils
46:11
through political, political parties on both the national
46:16
and, and local level. Although I do personally
46:19
maintain that it's far more effective to work on a local
46:24
level. And the thing about councillors
46:28
as well, which I've come to come to realise and kind of you made
46:34
a very good point before when you said about the cameras and
46:38
when the the councillors came back, just like we've made these
46:41
changes like reelect us and kind of like following on from from
46:47
what Chris said as as well as about putting the council on
46:52
notice. One thing I have noticed is that
46:56
counsellors fear losing their seat.
47:00
That's one of the things that they kind of fear the most.
47:04
So in terms of some positive kind of like inspiration for
47:09
people, whether they think that or should I really get involved,
47:14
whatever, whatever, does anything really, really happen?
47:17
Councillors do fear losing their seats.
47:19
So getting get involved locally, put pressure on your councils,
47:25
challenge their motions, put forward petitions and debates
47:30
and things and you can actually get things changed at a local
47:35
level. Even if the councillors don't
47:36
actually support what you want to get get done, that fear of
47:41
losing their seat, they will listen to to people if they find
47:46
a lot of resistance to these motions that they're to the
47:50
point that they're putting forward.
47:52
So, yeah, it's, it's, I think though it does make a difference
47:55
and, and who is in, who is in charge and who is, you know, is
47:59
it, if it is Labour or Tory or, or Lib Dem or the Greens, you're
48:05
going to be facing different challenges, I think compared to
48:09
those who might be coming from, you know, let's say, I'll say
48:13
Reform just because I'm here in, in Durham.
48:14
But it, it, it seems to me that, you know, where their loyalties
48:21
lie is, is an interesting question.
48:23
Because if they're working on behalf of and with the political
48:27
machines that are driving most of them, it's going to be, I
48:31
would imagine, much more difficult to deal with them
48:33
because they've already decided what they're going to do.
48:36
And in my experience, at least when I was still in Edinburgh,
48:40
that they do what they want and then they ask you what they,
48:43
what you think about it. So there were so many times when
48:45
I received, you know, community consultations, for example,
48:50
online survey forms and things that I went and filled out.
48:52
So they implemented the 15 minute city and then they sent
48:56
out a consultation asking us what we think about having a 15
49:00
minutes that you put in. So I, I would go fill it out,
49:04
but I'd say, well, you've already done it anyway.
49:06
So I don't know why you're asking us, but I'll tell you
49:08
what I think. And, and this has been true,
49:12
I've seen this at a national level as well with things like
49:16
CBDC's having been in the academic system.
49:20
I, I had colleagues who were direct advisors to the
49:24
governments on CBDC and probably are still doing it.
49:27
I'm sure they are that these things are already happening in
49:31
the background and as you both have kind of, you know, alluded
49:36
to, these things happen before we know about them and then they
49:39
become made available. I was just in Darlington last
49:43
night for another event and I learned last night that in
49:47
Darlington they're concerned because Amazon is a going to be
49:53
using Darlington as a trial for drones, drone delivery for
50:00
Amazon. And so that's one of the things
50:03
where that's a very local thing, which obviously, you know, Jeff
50:08
Bezos is going to want to make probably all over the world if
50:10
he can have drones flying all over the world.
50:13
So that and and you know, are those drones going to have
50:16
cameras? Yes, I'm sure they are.
50:18
Are they going to have, you know, microphones?
50:20
Yes, most likely so then we'll be sold the convenience of oh,
50:26
look, it's going to be so quick and easy that you'll have your
50:28
stuff delivered from Amazon by drone.
50:29
You don't have to wait for a delivery driver and it'll be
50:32
faster and it'll be great and convenient and and and that's
50:37
assuming that that people are even paying attention or even
50:41
thinking about how things are are coming around.
50:44
We see things here at out here in a sort of rural County Durham
50:49
of planes that are flying over constantly.
50:53
And, you know, what are these planes doing?
50:56
These are not commercial flights.
50:57
These are not people flying to Spain for holidays.
51:00
We don't know what they are. We can't answer that for sure.
51:03
But you know, people just need to continue to be aware and ask
51:09
questions about what's going on. Why are those things up there?
51:12
What are they doing? Are they military?
51:14
Are they training for something? Where are they based from?
51:18
Where are they going to? Why are they flying here?
51:21
And that that's what we need to be always staying in contact, I
51:26
think with counsellors and putting the pressure on them to
51:28
do the work. And the ones that are, I think,
51:33
trying to work in our best interest, we need to be friends
51:36
with them. But we also need to make sure,
51:37
as you've said, that the ones that are not working in our best
51:40
interest, that they need to know that we're watching and that we
51:43
are not pleased with things that might be occurring.
51:47
And if they want to keep their seats, they're going to have to
51:48
respond. So I think that's a really
51:51
important point that you made there.
51:53
And, and I think it's, it's overlooked by people that they
51:57
just kind of accept, well, this is what's happening.
52:00
We don't like it. We might complain to one
52:01
another. We might, you know, we might
52:04
tell our friends what we think, but we, we don't, we don't talk
52:06
to anyone who is actually responsible for putting these
52:10
things in place that we don't want.
52:12
And, and, and I think that's, that's a really important thing
52:14
that, that you 2 are doing because I get asked constantly
52:18
from people, well, what can I do?
52:19
It's just too much, it's too big.
52:22
It is, it's big. But working locally as you guys
52:25
are doing it, I think, and we're seeing you, you're seeing the
52:31
response from it that there are people out there that are
52:35
joining in and we, we just need to keep growing that.
52:39
So, you know, I'm kind of start to wrap up here, but I want to
52:43
say that you guys have both been doing just really amazing
52:48
things. It, it doesn't have to be on a
52:50
global scale. You know, you don't have to go
52:53
down to Westminster and, and do anything huge.
52:56
You can do things where you are. And that's the most important
52:58
things because of some of these examples that we've all shared
53:01
that we all have local things. But the point is, is that those
53:04
local things that they're doing contribute to the global agenda
53:08
that we're all terrified of or not terrified of, but that we
53:11
know needs to stop. And and you know, a bit of hope
53:15
that I think that I would like to give to people as well is
53:18
that they're not where they want to be with all of this.
53:21
If you look at the Agenda 2030 and the the UN Sustainable
53:25
Development Goals, which is what a lot of this goes down to that,
53:29
you know, we cover extensively in UK column and that there's a
53:34
film by Oracle films called about the Agenda, which is I
53:37
highly recommend people watch. And that's one thing if you want
53:41
to get people to see what's going on, send them the link to
53:44
that film. I think it's, it's available for
53:46
free on YouTube that all of these little things are examples
53:51
of how they're putting Agenda 2030 into place.
53:53
That 15 minute cities is not about everything being close to
53:57
convenient. It's about, you know, taking
53:59
away the freedom to drive your car and go where you want and do
54:02
what you want to do. I frequently say the, the
54:05
vaccine passports were a test case for the, the sort of the
54:12
digital ID system that that they want to put in and the amount of
54:17
money what it was £200 million. They said some what was the
54:21
figure they gave out for how much it cost to put in this
54:23
track and trace app in 2020? I'm not sure if that figures
54:28
accurate or you know, was that money actually sent somewhere
54:31
else? I don't know.
54:32
But you know, when we talk about what we can do locally, it's
54:39
even just within yourself. You don't even have to say
54:41
anything to anybody. If you, you said a lot of people
54:43
have jobs and mortgages that they, they have to protect and
54:47
they can't say things. But you know, when we were doing
54:50
track and trace, you know, I, I didn't say anything when I
54:54
started to go back out to eat with friends who were still
54:58
aligning with the system. So I remember, oh, we, oh, we're
55:02
going to sit down, have a cup of coffee and a cafe.
55:04
We got, we got to track and trace and put in all of our
55:07
details. So they would get into their app
55:10
and put all of their information in.
55:12
And I was just pretending. I picked up my phone.
55:14
I didn't say anything to my friends.
55:16
I was just like checking emails, something to make them think and
55:21
not even get into it at the time because I was still trying to.
55:24
I didn't do any of it, but I also was not my life was in a
55:27
position at that time where I thought I was able to because I
55:32
was an academic and have all these responsibilities and
55:36
trying to fit into the system. And obviously it didn't, it
55:38
didn't work. I got pushed out anyway and I'm
55:40
much happier now. But that's whatever it is.
55:44
You don't even have to say anything.
55:46
You know, start with using cash when you pay for something, even
55:50
if and then figure out what it is you can't do because we can't
55:53
do everything. Just find one thing and do it
55:56
and, and start there. And this is the message that I
55:59
want to leave people with. And you guys are amazing leaders
56:02
in your area and what you're doing.
56:04
And I find you so incredibly inspirational with the work that
56:08
you're doing. But I what's 1 of the things
56:09
that I want to end this year with is inspiring people to go
56:13
forth as we go into Christmas period and into 2026 with the
56:21
idea that you can do something, you just have to do something
56:24
small. You can just attend a rally on a
56:26
Saturday that we are involved in.
56:28
You can do something and. And that's what I want to leave
56:32
you with. Yeah.
56:35
If I was going to say if, if that's something that you're
56:39
interested in doing, if if any of your viewers out there are
56:43
thinking, I think I want to do more than just follow the
56:47
example that I'd set. Have a look around, see what
56:50
groups are available to you. If there isn't one, create one.
56:54
Just take that little step because it's been remarkably
57:00
humbling to see the amount of support that we've had on our
57:04
first, on our first demo, we have 500 people turn up.
57:09
I must admit, when I first sat it up, I was feeling a little
57:12
nervous that I'm going to be stood there with me and two
57:15
others, you know, holding flags, kind of feeling a little bit
57:18
silly, but support. And if you, you just take that
57:25
chance in your local area and create something, I guarantee
57:31
you know, it's the old thing. If the if that they will come,
57:35
if you build it, they will come and that that that will grow
57:40
exponentially and you will see immediate support from your
57:43
local community. And what these people in power
57:48
hate the most is all of us getting together, talking
57:52
amongst ourselves and formulating plans to, to, to
57:56
bring power back to where it belongs.
57:59
The normal folk, the normal people that are the backbone of
58:03
the country. So if if you're considering
58:06
activism, do it, do it. That's what that's my message.
58:12
Yeah, I was, because you made a very good point, well posed a
58:16
very good question when you were just saying like, what can I,
58:21
what can I do? And that's a question that a lot
58:22
of people will ask from ourselves.
58:25
And it might cause people to to put them off getting involved as
58:28
they think they can't do anything.
58:31
But I know, I know you said we were going to be wrapping up
58:35
soon. Do I have time to to mention one
58:37
of the other thing about something positive people would
58:40
do? Of course.
58:41
Sure, go ahead. Yeah, excellent.
58:43
Yeah. Because in terms of not only the
58:46
activism that we've already discussed, but there is
58:50
something else that people can do on a personal level to take
58:55
back control of their bodily autonomy.
58:58
So in 2020, yeah, in 2023, I think it was October, then I had
59:06
to have a life saving surgery to have about a metre of my
59:09
intestines removed. And because I have a complete
59:16
aversion to having any kind of blood transfusions, any blood
59:19
products, because they don't screen it for when it's come
59:22
from somebody that's had the jab or not.
59:25
And leading up to the surgery, I was told that they cannot
59:28
guarantee that they won't give me blood, blood products to save
59:33
my life if, if needed to. But I, I feel so strongly that I
59:37
doesn't matter what the consequences is, I won't have
59:40
any compromising principles like that.
59:43
So I actually they, they did actually put my life saving
59:48
surgery 30 minutes before going under the knife because of my
59:52
various things about an advanced directive and because I wouldn't
59:55
wear a mask or anything like like that.
59:57
But there's a document called an advanced directive.
1:00:02
It's a, it's a legal document. And while I didn't create the
1:00:06
the notion of an advanced directive, there wasn't anything
1:00:09
like a template or anything for people of my points of view
1:00:12
about refusing COVID tests and masks and also refusing blood
1:00:19
transfusions. So what I actually did is I've
1:00:23
created my wrote my own advanced directive that I submitted to my
1:00:29
surgical team. They actually had their
1:00:33
Newcastle hospital's own legal team scrutinised it couldn't
1:00:36
find any fault with it. So my second surgery ahead date
1:00:41
went ahead, went ahead fine. But the, so an advanced
1:00:46
directive, it's similar to kind of power of attorney in the, in
1:00:51
the case of sort of cementing your rights and your and what
1:00:55
your views are. And what I've done with with
1:01:00
mine is I've removed all my personal information and created
1:01:03
like a template, which I'm happy to share.
1:01:06
I've already shared it with people.
1:01:08
And if you, if, if I'm able to, for example, share it with UK
1:01:11
column news to for other people to utilise.
1:01:15
And it's a very simple process that people need to do.
1:01:18
All they need to do is fill in their personal details and
1:01:22
providing they don't want any other health concerns added to
1:01:26
the advance directive, which I'm happy to help people with,
1:01:29
obviously with their consent when we're talking about medical
1:01:31
information. But I imagine a lot of people
1:01:34
would be happy to just to use my, my template as is because it
1:01:38
covers things like blood transfusions, COVID tests, even
1:01:43
things like organ donations and stuff like that.
1:01:47
And what you'll do is it basically sets out your, your
1:01:53
views and what you do not consent to, what you withdraw
1:01:55
your consent from. And you also nominate a
1:01:58
healthcare proxy that can speak on your behalf and say if you're
1:02:03
under the knife or whatever, you've got somebody that can
1:02:05
speak on your, on behalf, on your behalf.
1:02:08
And these advanced directives, it's a legal document, it's
1:02:11
recognised by the medical institution.
1:02:13
And it's just a way to, to take back your own bodily autonomy
1:02:17
and your own control. And even after my surgery, when
1:02:22
I spoke to the the surgeon on the phone, he, he thanked me for
1:02:26
opening his eyes regarding consent by also having my
1:02:30
discharge letter, the last paragraph of my discharge
1:02:34
letter. He actually actually mentioned
1:02:37
in writing that not only did I open his eyes regarding consent,
1:02:42
but in Newcastle Hospital, they actually made policy changes 1/2
1:02:48
to my case. And I'm just one person.
1:02:52
So if thousands of people put in their own advance directives in
1:02:58
place, and a lot of people I know have put off surgery and
1:03:02
they've been very worried about going into hospital because
1:03:04
they're worried about masks, vaccines and blood transfusions,
1:03:09
things like that. An advanced directive is
1:03:11
something that they can actually have in place.
1:03:14
And it's it's to answer that question as well about what can
1:03:17
I do? That's actually something
1:03:19
everybody can do is put their own advanced directive in place.
1:03:23
And I know I've been a bit, bit, bit brief as we're wrapping up,
1:03:25
but basically if, if it would be OK with you and UK column, I'm
1:03:29
happy to to provide you with a copy of my template.
1:03:33
And also I'm happy as well if anybody has any concerns or
1:03:39
wants any amendments made to an advanced directive and they want
1:03:41
me to to do that for them. I'm happy to volunteer my time
1:03:45
to help anybody in that same situation.
1:03:48
So yeah, please, if if people want to take back the own body
1:03:53
autonomy, an advanced directive can do that.
1:03:55
And I'm I'm happy to to help people to basically do that.
1:03:59
No, that's great. We can provide that.
1:04:01
We always put a short write up with our interviews.
1:04:04
But for anyone who's listening on any other platform that is
1:04:08
only available on ukcolumn.org. So if you listen on YouTube,
1:04:12
you, you won't be able to see this information.
1:04:14
But if you go to find the interview on our UK column
1:04:18
website, then we can link to and, and give examples and
1:04:22
everything that you've just discussed.
1:04:24
But that's where everyone just for listeners that might be
1:04:27
listening in on, on a podcast or YouTube or, or Facebook,
1:04:31
wherever they're listening to, you have to come to our website
1:04:34
for that. But we can certainly provide
1:04:35
that, of course, no problem. Are there any final things, any
1:04:43
last minute thoughts that we haven't talked about that either
1:04:47
one of you want to say? Chris, I'll start with you.
1:04:49
Was there anything else that you wanted to add?
1:04:51
Might say, well, I've I've probably butted in and and said
1:04:55
that my final piece already just about getting out there taking
1:05:00
that step. It's key.
1:05:03
And if if come your actions as simply go by we we're heading
1:05:08
for the 6000 mark and growing. And if we, if we had this in
1:05:17
towns and cities across the land, Can you imagine the, the
1:05:21
power we'd have behind it? We, we've created headlines from
1:05:26
our little group just up in Cumbria.
1:05:28
I mean, we've been on the across the BBC causing mayhem for the
1:05:32
local councillors with all this sanctuary city stuff.
1:05:35
Just just a group of light minds can come together and actually
1:05:41
really create waves for these people.
1:05:43
So don't be thinking I'm just sat here on my own.
1:05:47
What possible impact could I have?
1:05:49
You've no idea the waves that one person can create from from
1:05:54
just taking that first chance and that first opportunity.
1:05:57
So if that's my overriding message to to your viewers and
1:06:02
your listeners, if you're considering it, do it, do it.
1:06:07
It will, it will, it will bring change and it will bring some
1:06:10
real positivity and, you know, direction to the local community
1:06:17
which is currently motherless and needs help.
1:06:20
Absolutely. Thanks, Chris and Brett.
1:06:22
Any other final thoughts from you?
1:06:26
Yeah, just a final thought for me is that nothing is more
1:06:31
powerful than an informed populace.
1:06:34
So regardless of what comes next in the next in the agenda and
1:06:40
what gets thrown at us and whatever you see on the news, I
1:06:45
just encourage people to to look at the facts, do their own, do
1:06:50
their own research. Don't just listen to the
1:06:52
narrative just because somebody on the BBC tells you it.
1:06:56
Inform yourself, become powerful with that.
1:07:00
It's community. So there'll be other people in
1:07:02
your community. Maybe somebody just down the
1:07:04
road feels exactly the same as you.
1:07:07
So reach out, build up a network, build up a community,
1:07:11
and basically just understands that your voice is powerful.
1:07:16
And so with the community that we're we're building, nobody's
1:07:20
going to feel alone going going forwards, and every single one
1:07:24
of us is powerful. Thank you so much, Brent.
1:07:26
Chris, it's been a great discussion.
1:07:28
Really been a pleasure speaking with you today.
1:07:31
Again, this is Diane Rasmussen with UK column and thanks
1:07:34
everyone for watching and we appreciate your support.