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Child's Play Retrospective: Seed of Chucky & Curse of Chucky · Citizen Frame

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Music.
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I am a vintage, mass-marketed children's toy from the 80s, standing right in
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front of you, holding a very sharp scalpel.
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I'm turning human again? If I don't get out of this body soon, I'm screwed.
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You little shit! Do you know what you've done?
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Hi, I'm Chucky, and I'm your friend to the end. I like a little killing now
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and then. What's wrong with that?
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Music.
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Hey everybody, guess what? It's Chucky time.
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That's right. We're going to continue our little Chucky retrospective with the
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seat of Chucky here at Citizen Frame.
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Where can we fuck me I
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don't even want to get to this I mean talk
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about a fall from grace this is classy stuff this
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is not classy pieces of shit so now I can't fault Don Machini for going this
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story I can he created the piece of shit beforehand the brighter Chucky but
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I can understand why he kept that direction because of the popularity of the brighter Chucky.
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But this one tank badly and
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i think the reason that is people realized that
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the bride chucky was not as
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good as they thought and i do think replay value
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it wore out as welcome it had
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it was funny maybe for the first time you see it and you're
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like your eyes and your jaws dropped you're like what the fuck are
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we watching but then once the dust settles and you
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see it again i think people have caught on this is
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terrible and by the time by time
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that happened the seat of chucky was produced because thankfully
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because of these two horrible films we
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go back to a more grounded chucky i think as
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well when this came out seat of chucky it was
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towards the end of that sort of meta self-referential horror
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slicer film craze that sort of you
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know west craven's new nightmare and scream and all
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and you know even arguably jason x sort
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of hit home with and i think i'm right
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at chucky i must say as well but i think people were getting a bit sick of it
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by this point and even the reviews of it you know through watching the documentary
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about the chucky films they basically a lot of the reviews hit on this as well
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that oh it's oh i roll it's another self-referential meta horror film.
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Yeah, that could be a two, or I'm going to go with it. The Brian Chucky was
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shit and people caught on.
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You go ahead with your meta thing. Yeah. Well, I mean, whatever,
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but you know, I think, I think there's several reasons involved,
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you know, plus the whole torture porn sort of thing was starting to become a
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bit of a craze within horror at the time. Oh yeah.
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Horror was wanting to go back to be more serious.
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Yeah. So yeah, the Saw franchise, Hostel franchise, you have the Eli Roth,
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The James Wands are starting to kick in high gear and the Blumhouse.
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The Evil Dead remake as well.
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Yeah. There was a load of remakes coming out at that time as well.
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The Hells Have Eyes and stuff.
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Yeah, the Texas Chainsaw, Friday the 13th. Yeah. You had them all and people
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wanted the more dark horror again and gritty and violent. And thank God.
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Yeah, so Dom and Sheen is back for this one. He's writing and directing.
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We got pretty much the core cast. Jennifer Tilly's back playing Tiffany and
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of course playing herself now we got Brad Dorff as Chuck Billy Boyd as the voice
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of Glenna Glenda you might know him from the Lord of the Rings films we got
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Redman playing Redman which is actually kind of funny John Waters playing Pete Peters,
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and then you got a bunch of cameos here and there,
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no big deal and you got Jason Fleming in the beginning who I actually like to
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see because I do like Jason Fleming,
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but he says just like Jenny Agutter He said it was the worst experience He actually
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has asked That this be removed from his resume,
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Apparently He didn't According to Don Mancini,
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Jason Fleming Was a bit of an asshole On the set,
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Maybe he read the script But you know what he signed up for it And so what His
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role is basically a cameo I think he needs to get over himself It's really not that bad You know,
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Yeah, I guess there's two sides to every story. Yeah. We don't know what happened on set.
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But, you know, I mean, the office says anything about Tom Holland,
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so we just never know what happened.
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Yeah. You know, he says, she said, well, we cost $12 million.
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It cut mass $10 million from the original budget that was to the bride.
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So we had $12 million with bride was $25. This made $24 million worldwide,
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which is nothing compared to what the other Chunkies have made.
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It's no longer universal. Universal dumped it to its smaller side company,
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I think it's Rogue Pictures,
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and this is the first one of the Child's Place that has no good guy doll voice,
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and right there you lost me, I need my good guy hello,
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Chucky, friend to the end, we won't get that it also,
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is the first in the series with no reference whatsoever to Andy Barclay,
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who does actually come back into the series, but there's no reference here at all to Andy Barclay.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Talk to me here. The opening sequence. Oh, that's very classy, you know.
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Now, the opening sequence is POV.
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Obviously, it's of Glenn.
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And he has been given over to English family.
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That's why he has an English accent, people. Because he was found in the cemetery
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where we lost, when he was eaten with cop's head.
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And so somebody found him, and now he's over in England being fostered, I guess you can say.
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But in reality, this film is actually a UK and Romanian co-production,
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hence all the English actors and English accents.
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But yes, for the sake of the story, he's been adopted. But Yeah.
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And so they see him for the first time. It's through a POV. Like I said,
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you're just seeing it through Glenn's eyes, this whole scene.
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And they're kind of being very cruel to him. I'm going to be honest with you.
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I'm going to say something here. I kind of like this beginning.
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I like the whole POV shot. It was an incredible nice little shot where you see
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the father gets, well, the step, whatever he is, the foster parent,
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getting stabbed, and he falls over the balcony. We follow with him. Yes.
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And then whoever stabbed him, which we know at this point is Glenn.
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Is running up the stairs.
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So we see him attack Glenn, again, point of view, fall over the balcony with
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him as his body splats on the ground, blood everywhere.
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He gets off his body and runs upstairs for another attack, which would be the
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shower scene. A little nod to Psycho.
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And it is very funny because he's so tiny.
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When he tries to stab her, he drops the knife and it's too slippery for him to grab.
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You see his little hand trying to grab the knife in the slippery bathtub,
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but she ends up just losing her balance and breaking her neck.
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I would say that this opening scene, there's a lot of homages to not just Hitchcock
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and Psycho, but also De Palma and even Carpenter's Halloween as well.
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Now I'm not comparing Seed of Chucky to these films, but there is homages.
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I wouldn't go Halloween, as much as you think, but I can see De Palma in there.
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It's also a dream sequence and the first Chucky film to have full frontal female
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nudity. In fact, any sort of nudity.
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No, there's nudity in the last one. Is there?
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I don't think there is you do you see you see
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tiffany's tit when she's a doll no no this
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is in this one where chucky's cracking one off to an
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issue of fangoria and she put her cup down to give something to go on yeah but
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you see her breasts in the last one i've been at all but but not fully i don't
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think you see her arse no no you see her breast in the last one the the fact
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you're trying to read off is.
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Actual nudity.
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Real tits. Well, it was kind of erotic. They could either be fake tits or they
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could be Tiffany's tits.
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You never know one of these Hollywood actresses these days. Yeah, yeah.
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Well, this is it. But it's also a dream sequence because he's actually adopted
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by the ventriloquist at the Glastonbury Ventriloquist Festival, whatever that is.
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Yeah. I don't get this whole ventriloquist thing.
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And because he's freaky looking, he uses him as ventriloquist,
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but obviously he knows he can talk.
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So he's not really a ventriloquist.
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Yeah. Because he knows Glenn can talk.
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To be honest, I was more irritated by the little details, like the made in Japan
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stamp, which doesn't make any sense. I like that. The Chuckie Dolls were made in Chicago.
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It doesn't make sense in terms of the other story. Maybe the parts were made
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in Japan I suppose you could run with that But the Chucky dolls were manufactured in Chicago Not Japan.
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Yeah, but yeah, maybe. It's a better retconning, to be honest.
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Well, there you go. You just ruined the entire opening sequence for me.
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So I was actually about to give it a pass, but you fucked it.
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Way to go. I get that it's thrown in there for a joke, but somebody who's a
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nitpicker like myself will automatically... It's not.
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What they're playing off, I kind of like it because what they're saying is made
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of Japan, and then when he sees Chucky, Chucky has the same,
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it's kind of like a birthmark. Yes, I know.
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And I can kind of go with that. As stupid and fucking horrible this film is,
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I can actually let that one slide. I will go with it.
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Yeah. It did niggle me. The rest of it was fine, though. So it was.
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In fact, that actually makes sense. It's amazing. The one part that's kind of
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clever, the Made in Japan thing, you don't like the rest of this shit.
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You're going to have a hard-on for it. I have.
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I don't get it, the one kind of smart part of it you don't like,
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but the rest is, oh, this is kind of gold.
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I have an appreciation for this in terms of, I have an appreciation for what it's trying to do. Yes.
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Serious, I'm not messing about here. It doesn't pull it off,
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and it is completely bad shit.
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No doubt about it. You know who did this better?
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Screen free.
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Scream 3 is probably the weakest in the Scream series, and I'm a Scream fan.
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No, we talked about this. You never said that. You and I both agreed Scream
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3 was actually quite good.
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It certainly has its moments, and I do still like it as part of the series overall,
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but in terms of the rest of the films in the series, I think it's probably the weakest.
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Listen to our respect. Listen back to it.
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Because I know what I said about Scream 3. We thought the outcome of Scream
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3 was better, had a better ending and subbed it all up better and it's actually
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a little darker tone to it.
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We did like some elements of it, yes, but the entire Scream franchise,
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you did not. You picked the last one. Right. Well, I mean.
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My point is that Scream 3 is far, I mean, if you're going to fucking sit there
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and say this is better than Scream 3, go fuck yourself.
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I mean, seriously, fucking grow up. But Scream 3, the problem is the problem
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with your argument is, no, listen to me, the problem with your argument is that
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Scream 3 is not an homage to Tri-Cinema where this is? Actually it kind of is.
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Actually Scream 3, yes it is. What movie did you watch?
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You have a creature feature Roger Corman kind of producer, which is played by Lance Hendrickson.
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And you've got, of course, what do you mean? But the story.
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This film, this film takes place on a set based on the real life actions of
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Tiffany and Chucky the Dolls.
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That's what this film is about just like what Scream 3 is which takes place
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on the set of when Scream happened there are similarities but this is more an
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actual direct homage to the tri-cinema like John Waters who's in it no coincidence
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and also Ed Wood obviously with the Glenn Glenda thing you're,
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I know but you're blinded because they're cheating by giving you little glimpses you know,
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old B cinema and you're like oh that's so clever that's
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so clever clever I'm not saying it's far
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from clever I mean you have Chucky basically wanking into
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a fucking cup here over an issue of Fangoria it's
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I don't think it's clever but I think you know what it is it's down to I enjoy
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silly like with Bride of Chucky I do have an enjoyment and affinity with stupid
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campy humor you know I can't help it you know I just like daft humour and this.
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Yeah let's just move on quick 14 minutes in fuck me by the way who's Redman
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I'd never heard of Redman outside of this I know he is but outside of this film
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I'd never really heard of him he came and went yeah,
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just like this fucking film,
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and Chucky after page 2 in Vangoria,
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do you have to admit Billy Boyd's good as the voice of Glamour Glamour,
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don't tell me I have to admit anything it's terrible this movie's terrible there's
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some funny lines I'm not going to sit there and say that I do like,
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the whole opening sequence with Jason Fleming and Santa him getting his throat
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cut he doesn't want to be there which is ironic because he didn't want to be
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there and there's a nice shot of interaction between Tiffany and Chucky.
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And then you have Jennifer we find out is playing herself is playing Tiffany.
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Which she happens just to look just like her who knew but there's some funny
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lines that Jennifer has probably the best lines in the film she's a good sport,
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because she is a good sport she makes fun of herself she plays on her tits eyes,
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but it is funny she goes how come I can't get any good parts I'm an Oscar nominee
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and now I'm fucking a puppet.
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That's funny. Oh yeah. Yeah. She's trying to get,
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She's trying to get the job. And anyone knows Jennifer Tilly from some of her
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racy films she's done, like Bound is a perfect example.
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And she's trying to get the role to play the Virgin Mary. Yeah.
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Directed by Redman, who is a vulgar rapper.
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Yeah. Although, and she's up for it. And she, I mean, like some of the stuff
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that essentially playing a version of herself, it's not very flattering towards her.
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And you know what? Good on her. This was back 20 years ago When Hollywood still
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had a sense of humour And was quite edgy still And good on her,
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you know what I mean She's up for it And she is the star She's top build here
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She deserves to be I love how you say she's top build,
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With who else?
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With No, no, no Reddorf, he's a voice Reddorf Dude, do you understand what you're
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going to do? She's the only one in this. Yes, I know.
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Top build, really? You're going to give her credit for that.
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She's the star of it. Yes, it's a crazy, crazy over-the-top build.
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Like it's fucking top build.
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Jesus Christ. So I don't get it. Why was the Vantrilochist trying to turn.
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Glenn into a killer? It wasn't him that was doing it.
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He was just having bad dreams because of his Chucky and basically DNA.
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No, no, no, no, no. Did you watch the film?
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He has a dream, the one I was talking about when he kills a woman in the shower and the balcony scene.
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Best shot of the whole film, that opening sequence. Yes, it's a dream,
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but he finds out that his friend Twilichrist picked him up at the cemetery,
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brought him to England, and he's part of his friend Twilichrist freak show act. Yeah.
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So the Twilichrist throws him a mouse and he's trying to teach him to kill the
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mouse, but he said he wants to play with it you know, cuddle with it so why
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is the Bancholic just trying to teach him to be a killer?
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My impression with that scene was that he was feeding them rats and mice,
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he was treating them so lowly, not that he was actually basically,
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there's your food it's a reference to the elephant man, the treatment of the
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freaks in that, I think I mean, it could be wrong,
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you know what I mean, with Michael Elfick you know, the way he treats the elephant
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man and the other freaks so terribly and then he sees.
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Chucky and Tiffany in the paper, the movie's being made about them.
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Yes. So he wants to head to California. To Hollywood. Yeah.
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Fucking hell. This is terrible. This is terrible.
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Terrible. And Britney Spears is hanging about. And also, I would say...
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That's not Britney Spears, by the way. I know it's not. It's a lookalike.
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But Hannah Spirit plays Joan, the assistant to Jennifer Tilly.
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And Hannah Spirit, UK listeners will know her As basically Hannah Spirit From
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S Club 7 The bubblegum pop band From about 20 years ago,
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So you go, wow, and she didn't get top billing? She's my third?
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No, I mean, Jennifer, obviously.
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Fuck me. That is terrible.
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Oh, wow. I do like when Glenn shows up and we're having a discussion with Chucky and Tiffany.
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And Chucky's like, he's not my fucking kid.
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He goes, it looks like he fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. Yeah. Yeah.
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I felt sorry for Glenn. Poor Glenn or Glenda.
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I mean, this is touching stuff.
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So it is. I'm going to put the subplot with the shofar to Jennifer Tilly.
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That's pretty powerful stuff. Oh, Jesus. They're in love with each other,
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but she has to hide the love. What the fuck?
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I do like Tony Gardner. I do like the puppeteer, who's puppeteering most of
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the Chuckies, Tony Gardner.
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Yes. And his death was pretty good because he gets cut off. And I can't believe they got away with this.
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So as... I can't believe I'm laughing at this. See, you're laughing. You enjoyed it?
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When they cut off his head and blood's flying all over them.
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Yeah. They're showering in his blood. Do you know what theme they're playing?
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I'm not too sure. Go ahead. No, they play loosely on the theme.
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But any Star Wars fan, any Star Wars fan would hear it. They're playing the
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Han and Lea love theme. Right.
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Right. I did my set, I must admit. Yeah. And then you got Glenn peeing again. Yes. Glenn.
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So Glenn pees when he sees death. Because he's scurried.
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And I love when he's peeing. So they see him peeing after they killed Tony Gardner.
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And he pulls down his kid's pants and there's no penis. So what does he pee from?
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What does he pee out of? Because he's a doll.
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I mean, even Tiffany and Chucky say he has no fucking sex organs.
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So what does he pee out of?
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If that's the case, how did Chucky fuck Tiffany? Because he's got a doll dick.
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That means he's a girl then, because he has no pee. No, no, no, no.
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That's cleared up. And well, no offense to non-binary people and stuff.
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Yeah. No, no. I mean. All that.
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No. And then Tiffany, Tiffany goes, trust me, there's some asshole going to report us.
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So no, he pushed out, he pushed out. Let me finish for fuck's sake.
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He pushed down his kid's pants. He's got to give me up saying this out loud.
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He's got no penis. And Tiffany's like, oh my God, he's a beautiful girl.
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And Chucky goes, no it's a boy he's just a late bloomer,
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but he doesn't have a vagina either,
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however in the previous film, it is confirmed before the love scene,
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the sex scene between Chucky and Tiffany that they have working sexual organs of course they do,
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because she popped out Glenn at the end of the last one and it's also confirmed
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from the very first child's play actually, the more Charles Lee Ray inhabits
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the Chucky body the more human the body actually becomes. Okay.
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That might be, well no because Glenn's a late bloomer.
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Glenn No, yeah it must be because Glenn has been in that body for a long,
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but he's not maybe that's it, maybe because Glenn was never human.
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Well I don't know maybe it's because he's still a kid and he still has to grow,
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you know what I mean I don't know. Okay, you're growing with a penis or a vagina.
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Okay, let's get that out of the way right now, alright And so I can't believe
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we have four more minutes of this conversation going on it.
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So let's move on. Let's just move on. So-
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They want to decide they're going to transfer bodies to Jennifer Tilly and Red Man. Yes.
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No, not their bodies, their souls. Their souls. They want their souls. Yes, yes.
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And then they promise Glenn that they're not going to do any more killing.
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Well, Tiffany does, but Chucky sort of lands. Tiffany's authentic.
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Well, no, Chucky does promise, but it cuts to him crossing his fingers.
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Yes, yes, exactly. but Tiffany like goes to basically AA for killers, KA presumably,
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where she's trying to give up her murderous ways for the sake of being a parent,
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because this is actually a very touching sort of journey from a character's
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journey to becoming a parent.
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But yes, but also they want to then,
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impregnate Jennifer Tilly and then transfer Glenn or Glenda's soul into the
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baby yeah, so the problem is after Chucky masturbates to Fangoria magazine,
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they cut right away they don't give you a warning or anything to Tiffany with
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a turkey baster and it's dripping of Chucky's semen,
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why the fuck do I need to see this I mean it could have been worse it could
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have been worse it could have been wanking over at issue of Fantasbergoria,
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fuck me I mean you couldn't pay for promotion like that oh by the way just to
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make matters worse John Waters is standing outside the window taking photos of him doing it,
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Fucking, fuck this is stupid. How the fuck, how the fuck are you okay with that?
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How, I mean, one, two, and three.
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I mean, even the producer, David Kirshner, I listened to in the documentary
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being interviewed about it.
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And he was, but we went too far. We went too base with this one.
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It's like, no shit.
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Yeah. Fuck me. Well, Sarah's dead. So there goes Sarah in Club 7.
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She's out of it now. Yeah, she gets torched. Yes. She gets torn.
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You mean Joan? No, no. She's Joan.
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The assistant to Jennifer Tilly, who comes around to the house,
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but yes, she gets bumped off.
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Are you sure it's not Sarah? No, her name's Joan in it. Although I just know
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her as the girl from S Club 7, but yes, it doesn't matter.
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This is where we meet Glenda. Yeah, this is where we meet Glenda.
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Yes, yes. She's the confident killer who doesn't pee. Yeah, but she's also portrayed
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like a sort of Victorian prostitute, East End Cockney prostitute,
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who presumably Jack the Ripper would come after.
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It's like, oh, that dolly! But she, you know? But she doesn't kill...
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Yeah, she kills the assistant.
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Yes. She goes, and then goes, I'm a proper lady killer now!
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It's like watching East Enders on acid. And then Jennifer,
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Tiffany yes gives birth to twins yes that's right yeah that's the big plot twist
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yeah yes so that's a big twist there and then the doctor no no,
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Jennifer is the one pregnant. Sorry. Yes, I know.
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But Tiffany has, Sue transfers her soul into her.
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But yes, it's Jennifer, whenever she's still Jennifer, that gives birth to the
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twins. And that's a twist.
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Yeah, no, no, the whole thing, it's not those twists, fuck off.
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The whole thing is, they, they kidnapped Jennifer. Yes.
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And you see her putting Chucky Seed into her. Yes.
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Because she's the one who's got to get better for the twins. Yes.
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Then she wakes up. She doesn't realize what's happened.
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And she starts showing right away because, you know, the girlfriend of these babies.
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Jennifer doesn't actually get possessed. So maybe I said her name wrong because
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I'm getting mixed up with my Jennifers and my Tiffany's.
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But Jennifer doesn't actually get possessed by Tiffany until the very end in the hospital.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They knock her out.
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Yes. They kidnap her, her and the taxi, the chauffeur guy.
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Yes, that's right. And that's where, that's where in the hospital,
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Jennifer wakes up. And that's where we see the kid from young Sherlock Holmes.
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Yes. I was just about to say that. And he's also unlocked stock and two smoking
27:41
barrels. Another British cast member. Yeah. Okay.
27:45
Yeah. So. Hey, this girl, he took off.
27:50
And that's where, cause she's, yeah, she's in the hospital, gives birth to the twins.
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Chucky then ends up killing Tiffany. yes they have a fight yeah well he's also
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pissed at what she's done,
28:04
there's a good line when he comes through actually like the shining like Jack
28:07
Nicholson and the shining through the door and then everybody's waiting on that
28:11
here's Chucky and he goes do you know what I can't think of anything to say,
28:17
oh my god,
28:20
do you know what this is also a journey for Chucky and all of the characters
28:25
actually of self acceptance because whenever, during the whole sort of voodoo ritual,
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whenever the chauffeur and Jennifer are on the bed, Chucky turns around and
28:36
says, you know what? I don't want to be human anymore.
28:39
I'm fucking Chucky. I'm the killer doll.
28:42
So this is about a journey. This is profound stuff, deep stuff,
28:45
about self-acceptance.
28:49
Same with Glenn and Glenda. So Glenn is no longer Glenda, but Glenn ends up
28:54
fighting back against Chucky because of what he did to his, technically his mom.
28:59
So he ends up chopping Chuckie up.
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Yes. Oh, by the way, I would jump in and say, by the way, Redman has been bumped
29:06
off at this point as well.
29:08
Who cares? I didn't bring it up because nobody cares.
29:12
Nobody cares. I did. That's not a review, really. Who cares?
29:19
So,
29:21
The nanny, five years later, there's a nanny. That's Jennifer's nanny.
29:25
Yes. No, no, no. Well, Jennifer, possessed by Tiffany.
29:29
Yeah. Yes.
29:31
Tiffany is now Jennifer and human Jennifer. Yes.
29:36
But the nanny thinks the twins, especially Glenda, are trouble.
29:40
Yeah. She's like, she's quiet.
29:43
And she's got a bit of Chucky in her. And then Glenda gets Chucky's arm from
29:50
a birthday present. No, it's Glenn gets that.
29:53
Glenn, yeah, Glenn. Who gives a fuck? Who gives a fuck?
29:57
Glenn and Glenn gets the arm from Chucky. You know how he always sends him pieces?
30:01
You know, somebody sent him the arm of Chucky to him. Yeah. And then he starts peeing.
30:06
Yes, that's right. Yeah. And then we cut away with the arm attacking everybody. Yeah.
30:12
We don't see it, but that's what happens. Pretty much. Yeah.
30:15
Yeah. And then we also see Jennifer Tilly, as possessed by Tiffany,
30:20
with her eyes going green. like Tiffany, you know, just confirming.
30:23
Yeah. Yeah, we didn't know that when Chucky killed Tiffany, that Tiffany was in Jennifer.
30:30
Yeah, yeah, but don't find out until after that happens. But Tiffany's dead.
30:35
Oh, Tiffany, how could she be in Jennifer?
30:38
Well, the spell, the voodoo spell worked just before she died,
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because to do the voodoo spell, she's doing the voodoo spell to get into Tiffany
30:47
just before she gets killed, and And then, you know.
30:51
Oh, that's what they start arguing. But by the time, okay.
30:55
I'll go. Yes. You know what did niggle me? I have to say as well.
30:58
Oh, something bothered you. Please. Yeah.
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Way to start. Chucky and Tiffany get on like a house and fire straight away.
31:04
But they had a major fallout and basically killed each other at the end of Bride.
31:09
So that's, you know, there's inconsistency there with the characters.
31:13
But I think.
31:15
That bothers you, huh? That's the least of this film's worries.
31:19
That's right. All right.
31:21
All right. I don't, this is a piece of shit. It's terrible.
31:24
So eight years later. Yes.
31:28
Don's Don Messini grows a pair of balls and he decides, wow,
31:34
I really destroyed my franchise.
31:36
Tom Holland was right. I'm an asshole.
31:39
David Kirshner, you're an asshole. You produce this shit. You're just as guilty. Yeah.
31:47
So they decided they want to go back to the basics. One dollar environment.
31:52
Yes, thank you. Thank you, Don Messini and David Kerster, for finally pulling
31:58
your head out of your asses and going back to what works. A grounded Chucky.
32:04
And not only that. That's all we want. And not only that, a very effective haunted
32:09
house film that harks back to, well, there's so much it harks back to,
32:13
including old sort of Shirley Jackson type films.
32:17
Yeah, I know, I know. I know, I think you think of The Haunting and Fall Hustle
32:22
Officer and all this. Oh yeah, absolutely.
32:23
But I think sometimes you might think that.
32:26
I don't think a lot of it is. I think a lot of it's just... Well,
32:30
there's also quite a few sort of big references to The Exorcist here and Lee
32:36
Remick's death in The Omen, you know, over the balcony.
32:40
Yeah, but we had an over the balcony in the last one. I know,
32:43
well, obviously, you know, he's a big fan. Mancini is obviously a big fan of
32:46
the Omen. I'm just saying, I know, but just because, I mean,
32:50
deaths had happened, there was plenty of balcony there.
32:52
I'm just saying. It's a wet shot, but I think it's... And Mancini heavily references
32:57
the Omen throughout this series.
32:59
You know, even in the third one, he references Omen 2 with the Military Academy with Pride of Chucky.
33:05
Yeah, yeah. The Arquette character is named after characters in the Omen, you know?
33:10
So yeah, there's obviously, he's obviously a big fan with it.
33:14
There's Hitchcock going on here as well, again. Okay, stop. Stop. Stop.
33:19
You're giving away too much praise.
33:21
You're just grabbing the straw now. Not at all. I think this is great.
33:25
He's got Carpenter. He's got this. He's got this.
33:27
He's got this. No, he doesn't. I think this is great, this one.
33:29
I think is what you're saying.
33:31
Now, let me let's just get into it, alright? Okay.
33:35
You're really you're putting every fucking movie ever produced is in this film.
33:40
I'm waiting for you to go, oh my god, you didn't see the Titanic?
33:43
Yeah, it's in this. It's in this. I swear to God. Watch the bathtub scene again.
33:49
Fucking hell. No, Titanic's referenced in the previous one. See the Joker?
33:53
Ah, you just listed the top 100 horror movies of all time. That's in this film.
33:57
But I did see them here. And obviously, you know, put it here. I saw the Blair Witch.
34:02
Well, maybe not it. You didn't see the Blair Witch. Maybe not it.
34:05
I saw the Blair Witch in it too. Right. Well, all I'm saying is Godzilla. I saw Godzilla. I think.
34:10
I saw the original 1957 Godzilla in this, too. Right, very good. Good on you. Yeah.
34:16
But no, no, what I'm saying is that while Mancini's open about his references
34:20
and his sort of influences, he still does them very well, especially here in
34:25
this one. That's my point.
34:28
Wait a minute to get to it. Well,
34:31
it was worth it. I've been listing every fucking movie ever produced.
34:36
Yeah, this one's gone straight to video and on demand. Made money. Good for them.
34:41
They actually regret it. A lot of companies, Frey was a perfect example when
34:47
we did the Predator film. Yes.
34:49
The studio just wasn't confident enough. And then Frey ended up winning all
34:53
these awards and ended up being
34:54
a fucking great film. Now they regret not putting that in the theater.
34:57
And it helped Alien Romulus get a life because that was supposed to go direct to video.
35:03
But then that got theater. That was a box out of a smash. Evil Dead Rise was
35:08
supposed to go direct the video.
35:10
But they saw. So, very frankly, I will back this up.
35:14
I do think this Chucky film helped pave the way for pretty solid budget cinema,
35:22
a good cinema, either coming out right away straight to video.
35:25
And it kind of started with this film. It's very, very. Because it's a big.
35:30
You had like Leprechaun, and then you had fucking 12 fucking sequels of Leprechaun
35:35
coming out right to video. That's different.
35:37
This is a film franchise that was quite frankly successful in its theoretical
35:42
run, and they decided to do a one-off sequel and put it right to video. That's rare.
35:48
That's rare, rare you'll see that. Oh, you know what? Great.
35:50
And apparently Don Mancini originally actually wanted to remake the original,
35:55
but then eventually, with Brad Dourif, by the way,
35:58
but eventually they came to this sort of more sort
36:01
of soft reboot type thing and and
36:04
soft reboots were a thing around 10 years ago as well
36:07
you know up to five years ago or so and it is a rare case of this being done
36:12
very well and very effectively this is i mean there's actually not a massive
36:17
budget here but it is so what they do with the budget is so well done and so
36:23
effectively don't, you know?
36:26
Yeah, it's definitely going back to the original. Yes, script back.
36:30
If not even a smaller budget than the original. Yeah.
36:34
So again, Chucky's MO, Sarah gets a delivery. It's a package.
36:41
Obviously, we know what's going to be in that package, a good guy doll.
36:45
Yeah. Now, I know the mom have mental issues. I believe they bring that up.
36:50
What's the reason? Yeah, but, and so, because we don't, we don't know that yet,
36:56
but we know they have, they have the mom and daughter have a little tension
36:59
between them, but they're, they respect each other, obviously, or care for each other.
37:04
And, but I do love when Sarah, by the way, Sarah is obviously played by Brad
37:09
Doris' daughter, Fiona, and this is one of her big first outings,
37:14
and she's very good at it.
37:15
I do like her presence in it. Yeah. And. She looks like her dad.
37:19
Yeah, a little bit. Helps the story as well. So...
37:24
When she's all happy, she's a very quiet individual. We kind of introduced her
37:28
because she's in a wheelchair and she's a little down on herself, obviously.
37:32
And trying to get out of this box that she's in with her mother.
37:37
So it was pleasant surprise when she's getting hit on by the delivery guy.
37:41
And the guy was hitting on her. Yes. I would even say that.
37:44
And she turns to the mom. God, was he just hitting on me? And the mom goes,
37:48
oh, no, he was just being nice.
37:50
But the mom's trying, you biatch. No, no, no. Well, yes and no.
37:54
But at the same time, the mother's trying to protect her daughter as well from
37:58
being hurt and some guy just using her for sex, you know.
38:01
So I get, you know, because her mother knows, you know, which we'll find out
38:07
later on, you know, the full backstory of why she's like that.
38:11
And she doesn't want her to be hurt like she was hurt, or in fact her Nika was
38:16
hurt before she was even born by Charles Lee Ray.
38:20
So, yeah, no, that works. That makes sense. So it does.
38:23
Ah no I don't like it so fuck off you want to treat your daughter like that
38:28
that's fine Trevor that's fine it's from a place of protection she's trying
38:33
to protect her evil woman evil woman well she gets bumped off pretty soon anyway so she's dead now.
38:41
So she makes she pretty much throw the Chucky doll in the fucking trash yes
38:46
and then but it's nice it's night time now and then you hear obviously the mother
38:51
screaming and she heads down and she sees that the mother has,
38:56
fallen and there's blood everywhere.
38:58
There's a superb shot where we see Nika's reflection in the pool of blood.
39:03
Yeah, I saw that. It's brilliantly done.
39:07
I have that on my notes. It is a nice shot as the blood's expanding on the floor.
39:12
You can see her reaction. And then it says, Curse of Chucky.
39:16
Yes. So it's such a pleasant
39:20
surprise the first 10 minutes you already know a couple of characters we already
39:25
know the main one we know there's a tragedy from the past that's all we know
39:29
and then we get our title banner and then the movie takes off from there and
39:35
such a small group very effective Alice,
39:40
you've got the husband Ian and you've got Jill and Barb and I will say this
39:45
it does have one of the best misdirects in horror cinema because I thought for
39:51
sure Ian was fucking Jill.
39:53
Yes. And they throw one at you. I think it's so fucking clever.
39:58
Yeah. And all these characters are fun, but, and... There's actually a couple
40:03
of misdirects with that relationship because, you know, Ian's portrayed as also
40:07
a bit stupid and he's always sleeping and stuff, but actually,
40:11
he's actually very clever.
40:12
So he is. And he knows exactly what's going on.
40:15
Yeah, because he's had the cameras. Yes, exactly. Yeah. he knows what the wife's up to.
40:21
Of course, there's a, well, we're introduced to the priest.
40:24
You know, it's unfortunate that they had to go this direction because,
40:28
well, they deem the mom as a suicide because of her past and she's done it, she's tried it before.
40:36
So there's really no suspicious activity here. The young girl,
40:40
Alice, finds Chucky and obviously befriends Chucky.
40:44
And we find out that Barb, who's the sister of our lead, Sarah,
40:51
wants to sell the house because Ian's working at a Starbucks.
40:56
No, she's the sister of Nika? So does the mom of them both? Oh,
41:01
yeah, Nika. Sorry, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I forgot the names to choose there.
41:04
So, and then Alice might have to go to public school. Some of the dialogue is
41:09
quite funny. Well, Barb's a bitch-like. Barb's a super bitch.
41:13
Yeah, quite pretentious. Barbara's quite pretentious. Yeah.
41:17
And Nika doesn't want to lose her home because of petty stuff like that. Yes. Yeah.
41:23
Well, she wants to put Nika for money. She wants to put Nika in a home.
41:27
Now, what I really enjoy is one of the better scenes in the film is going to be the chili scene.
41:35
Brilliant. And what works about this chili scene, what Mancini wanted to do
41:41
is he wanted to work mainly, he wanted this film to focus on one director,
41:47
not the 300 that Trevor brought up.
41:49
He said he wants it, no, he said he wants it to be Hitchcock.
41:54
Yeah. And he wants limited, my favorite Hitchcock films are the ones where there's one location.
42:01
Strip back. And that is rear window and rope.
42:04
Yes. And what was the other one? The one where they're on the lifeboat?
42:09
Lifeboat. Lifeboat. Lifeboat was the other one. Yeah, that one.
42:11
And so limited space.
42:14
And this scene is his own scene. He's not taken from anybody.
42:18
He's not borrowing from anyone.
42:20
He's making it his own. and I think it's well shot, well written,
42:23
where Nika wants to give everyone a nice chili dinner.
42:26
Barb is very standoffice with it. She's very rude to her about it.
42:30
Everyone else is enjoying it. You got the father. The father's,
42:33
the priest has shown up, played by A. Martinez, who's been around for years. I like to see him.
42:38
Part of his, he's a big soup opera actor in America. Well, you know he was,
42:43
but he's been around since the 70s when he was a kid.
42:46
But he was big in LA Law. Yes. But he's been around for- Big TV actor.
42:51
Yeah. Big TV actor, exactly. But I like to see him.
42:55
But the whole build, and all it is, is she's got the chili out.
43:01
She's getting the, Alice is helping her set the dinner table.
43:07
And obviously he's a little hand with rat poison.
43:11
And he puts rat poison only on one of the dishes.
43:14
Yeah. And so, and then we cut away and she's putting the dishes down.
43:17
And they're all eating the chili. don't know which one's going to get. It's so fucking fun.
43:24
You want Barb to get it because she's being really rude to her. Oh, can I get some salt?
43:28
You know what I mean? Well, there's some brilliant misdirects as well,
43:32
you know, where you think the child's at it.
43:34
And she goes, oh, there's something funny about this. It tastes a bit funny.
43:37
So you think the child's got it. Then you think Ian, the dad,
43:40
he goes, wait a minute, wait a minute. Oh, wait a minute.
43:43
And then he goes, this is absolutely delicious. So there's a lot of sort of, yeah.
43:48
Yeah, it's very fun like that. And that's why this whole, if it was Hitchcock
43:55
style, it would be all done with dramatic effect.
43:58
This way, what Mancini does, he does the whole thing, dramatic effect and tension,
44:02
but he puts his little Chucky humor in there as well. It's all humor.
44:06
So that's why I'm saying he makes it his own. And that's why I can respect.
44:10
And this is where, man, fucking, I'm pissed off at Mancini right now.
44:13
Because I'm telling you what, this guy can direct.
44:16
Well, he said himself. What I have seen, his last two outings were terrible.
44:22
His first two outings of all time, his first two, his freshman and sophomore, were terrible.
44:29
To be fair to Mancini, he has said that this one, Curse of Chucky,
44:33
is the first horror film he directed.
44:35
Because he never considered Bride and Seed to be horror films,
44:40
but comedies, out and out comedies.
44:42
Yeah, that's the way, but it doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. They're horrible.
44:45
They're horrible films. And what he's, you know, that doesn't make any sense
44:49
what you're saying or what he, what he's saying makes no sense.
44:52
He's not directing. I know it's about intention.
44:55
He's talking about his intention towards them where he approached the previous
44:59
two as comedy. It doesn't matter. He did.
45:02
He should have. That's his problem.
45:04
When he has this kind of talent and he gets, when he has that kind of talent,
45:08
what we're, what you see now. And he gives us those last two shit films.
45:13
Get my point. I know I get your point and I understand how divisive the fan
45:18
base, both Seed and Bride are, but I'm trying to be further to Mancini here
45:23
in that he was approaching them as out and out comedies so,
45:27
I'm completely destroying your franchise.
45:29
Makes sense. I mean, you know, but, you know, I just don't get how you defend it.
45:35
I just don't, I mean, I just don't get how you defend it. I don't get why you
45:39
can't have the balls to go, Mancini, you've got this talent.
45:42
Why the fuck to go this direction.
45:44
I don't know what was going on in his head. I don't get it. I don't know what
45:47
was going on in his head, obviously.
45:49
All right. Well, no, obviously your best friends.
45:52
Yeah. So we find out the father is the one who's excusing himself.
45:56
He makes an excuse. He's got to leave. So we know he's the one who's eating
45:59
something because he's not feeling well. Yeah, the priest.
46:01
And he's so, and the father, even though it's a small scene,
46:03
he's a very good character. He's a very nice man. Yeah.
46:07
And he's. The beat of sweat. And he's even willing to pick up and leave because
46:11
he knows the tension between Barb and Nika.
46:14
And so he doesn't want to ruin Nika's dinner by going, oh, I'm not feeling well.
46:19
So he makes an excuse that he's got an early church or whatever he's got to
46:22
do, whatever. Mass or something, yeah.
46:24
Whatever you realize as a viewer that he's the one that's at the poison, it's really well done.
46:30
And that it's just a single bead of sweat rolling down his head. Yeah.
46:35
And he's starting to stammer a bit. So, and then we, all we do is we cut to
46:39
a horrible car accident.
46:42
We see two dead bodies. He's hit a car. He's obviously killed two people because
46:47
he was obviously taken ill.
46:49
And then we see him. Oh my God. Yeah.
46:54
His head's pretty much severed, but if they remove the roof from his head, he's,
46:59
That's him dead. So he's alive still. Yes. But the cop then says,
47:03
no, remove it, remove it. You know, we'll have to try and save him.
47:08
But it actually just ends up decapitating him.
47:11
Yeah. There's nothing they can do. Yes. There's no way around it. Yeah.
47:15
I actually think that this is, in its own way, I mean, obviously I don't know,
47:20
but this could very well be a reference to the omen as well with the photographer's death.
47:26
But also there was some urban myth I don't even think it's an urban myth I think
47:30
it's true where there was one of the caster crew I think it was one of the crew
47:34
of the Omen also were in a horrific real life car crash and lost their head
47:40
so I think Mancini could be playing with the Omen stuff here again but making a result.
47:46
So yes yeah you have,
47:51
Jill get some nice jump scares in here there's not a lot of them but it's definitely
47:56
a slow burn film which is different for a Chucky film usually Chucky's just
48:00
going out and you know get his top hat out get the mic on and start making jokes
48:04
well Chucky doesn't speak here,
48:07
45 minutes in yeah he's very reserved in this one playing his cards closely which is nice,
48:16
but yeah there's some nice jump scares here to keep us into the element playing
48:22
with the shadows and the haunted house of it. Exactly.
48:26
But this is where you found the misdirect, where you find out that Ian's not
48:30
the one having the affair, because you always see Barb looking at Ian and Jill
48:35
talking all the time, but it turns out that it's Barb and the babysitter.
48:41
That's right. That are having the affair. Yeah, and it's actually a really clever
48:45
rogue person, you know what I mean? Playing with that sort of trunk. It is. Yeah.
48:50
They should have sexing. I don't know why they didn't put that in there.
48:52
Very disappointed. Well, the
48:53
kissing Anyway, perv. Well, if there were two dolls, we would have saw it.
49:01
Now, it sucks because the movie was going in a direction,
49:06
they filmed it but because budgetary purposes they had to remove it and it was ballsy and i,
49:13
i almost wish they could release a director's cut now the time has passed during
49:19
the filming of this there was another school shooting that took place in the
49:22
u.s yes and so out of respect to those poor children who were killed alice gets
49:29
killed in this yes and they kind of show it,
49:32
you see her being, you don't see her being gutted, but you see underneath the sheets.
49:36
Blood coming underneath the white sheets.
49:38
So you notice he's being killed, but they just do a one-off.
49:42
You don't even see it. Chuck her in the closet. And Chucky just says, be quiet.
49:47
Yes. He lets her go. Doesn't really tell you why. This is the reason why they filmed it real quick.
49:52
At the end of the movie, there's just Chuck in a closet, write her off.
49:55
If there is one niggle I do have with this film, it is that element of it.
50:00
Because it's not really properly explained. And you can see that obviously in
50:04
post-production, you know, we're no one now, you know, why they did this.
50:08
You know, they were originally supposed to kill off the girl,
50:10
but then because of the Sandy Hook shootings, they decided not to.
50:15
You can see that there's a bit of editing in post-production that has went on
50:18
where instead Alice just disappears.
50:21
Yeah, well, it's not their fault. Yeah, exactly. I'm not going to blame them on that.
50:25
And kudos for them doing that. Yeah. However, I think they can bring it back
50:29
now. I think I would like to see a nice, you know, clean cut.
50:33
Yeah. But I respect Messini and Kirsten for not doing it. Yes.
50:38
But it is shot. It is there, so...
50:42
Maybe down the road. I would say that the child actress who plays Alice is pretty decent as well.
50:47
And I usually don't like child actresses, but she's in keeping with the young
50:51
Andy Barclay, Alex Vincent.
50:53
And she's, I mean, she's no Andy Barclay or Alex Vincent, but she's effective enough. She works well.
50:59
Yeah, but she's not bad. Not bad. Usually I hate those little fuckers.
51:01
So do I. She gets it with it. Yeah, usually I'm on Chucky's side or whoever the villain is. Yeah.
51:06
I don't know. That's because you're a sick fuck. So, she'll get it with the,
51:10
I love the electrocution. Yes, it's right. With the water. Good.
51:14
You know, this Chucky was a little fun because it played a little bit like Final Destination.
51:19
Yes. So everything's kind of free planned and set up. And so you see the water
51:23
coming and she plugs in the iPad or laptop or the phone, whatever it is.
51:28
And so you see, you know, point A to point B to point C before everything goes down.
51:33
And she obviously gets electrocuted. And for some reason, I don't know why it
51:36
was, but I just love the fact it was just the one eye. Yeah.
51:39
It just got sizzled. I kind of like that effect. It's pretty gruesome.
51:43
And the CGI, while it's not 100% great for it, it still works, I think.
51:47
You know? And usually I would pick more holes in a scene like this with CGI,
51:52
but I think it works well here.
51:54
Nothing against the CGI and the practical. I think they're great.
51:58
No, no, that's what I'm saying. I think they work well. It's not 100%,
52:00
but I think they work well enough to pull it off.
52:05
Yeah, so the webcam that was set up by Ian catches a lot more stuff now. Yes.
52:10
This is where they start kind of catching on a bit. The Chucky's, you know.
52:15
Behind it all? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
52:19
Now, the power goes out on the stairs. This is fun. The power goes out on the
52:22
stairs. The power goes out. Yes.
52:25
And Barb is running around looking for answers and so forth.
52:31
What, she's looking for Alice?
52:32
And she's looking for, yeah. Well, everyone's looking for Alice at this point.
52:38
And she gets stabbed in the eye. That's pretty good death. Yeah.
52:42
And the eye didn't check down the stairs afterwards. Actually, it works well.
52:46
And then he comes down and steps on it. Yes, he is. It's quite gruesome.
52:50
Ian's death is pretty good as well, you know, with the hatchet, you know, the face.
52:58
They're all just, you know what I like about the deaths, with the,
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especially with the stabbing in the eye, and Ian's death, They're all old school.
53:07
Like Tom Sawini era yeah but they
53:10
feel sort of quite creative not the most creative
53:13
in the world but they feel quite creative at the same
53:16
time you know I also do like
53:19
the scene where basically Ian suspects Mika of committing the murders as any
53:24
rational sane person would and it basically then you know they're out in the
53:28
car and Chucky's in the car and stuff and you know little shit's watching them
53:32
and stuff so yeah there's a lot of tension and a lot of stuff going on here
53:37
that actually makes proper,
53:39
coherent sense in terms of the story and with the characters.
53:42
I like the fact that Chucky's not the Chucky we know where he wants full credit now. And he's the man.
53:51
He actually has a rhyme and reason for what he's doing.
53:53
In fact, he's about to set up Nika carbon dioxide poisoning in the car. Yes.
54:00
So to make it look like suicide like her mother and that she's responsible for the deaths in the house.
54:05
Yeah, it's also revenge. on her and
54:08
especially her mother as we find out in the flashbacks that's
54:11
right I keep I forgot when they're watching the family videos yes yes Charles
54:16
Lee Ray we see a D we see a D we see a D we see a D Charles Lee Ray I don't
54:19
even think the D Brad Dourif in it according to what I've read up on it they
54:23
basically it was just through lighting and a wig basically you know I suppose I suppose yeah yeah.
54:32
Yeah, that we find out because, you know, there's a stalker in him because we
54:38
see the funeral of her husband.
54:40
Yes. And Nika's dad and all he is is staring at Sarah the whole time. Yes.
54:47
And Sarah is looking at him and Sarah, you can see in the funeral,
54:51
is feeling a bit uncomfortable.
54:52
Those are kind of stuff I like because that's serious stuff.
54:56
The flashbacks. We find out what happens. Are very. We find out what Charles E.
55:01
Ray does to her and what he ends up becoming.
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So it's almost like a nice sequel prequel.
55:09
Yes, a soft reboot, essentially. I also love the tie-ins with how the flashback
55:16
scenes tie in directly to the very opening scene of the original film,
55:20
you know, in the toy store,
55:21
where basically he escapes from Sarah's house after the police close in, you know, making stuff.
55:26
And he basically, and that's where he ends up getting shot and transferring
55:30
his soul into the chopster.
55:34
We gotta go back to Ian. Yes.
55:39
Because when he does his fucking those pratical effects are the best.
55:45
When he just shoves that axe in his mouth and his jaw's gone at this point.
55:50
Oh, you see all the bone. You see all the bone and everything.
55:54
Oh, that was Oh, that's good stuff, man. Yeah.
55:58
And he's quite a likable character. That is probably, that's probably the most
56:01
graphic death of all the Chucky's.
56:03
Very possibly. And he's, I always sort of, you were sort of rooting for him.
56:07
You know what I mean? Because he was, apart from the child and Mika herself,
56:12
he was probably the most likable and nicest character.
56:17
Yeah, he wasn't a bad guy. He was just trying to, you know, he's working at
56:20
a Starbucks just to feed his family. Exactly. So he's not a loser.
56:24
Yeah. Now, what I don't get is,
56:27
And she cuts off Chucky's head. Yes. There's no blood or cartilage like you got from the other ones.
56:33
Cause he, remember he's, he starts molding with the rubber.
56:36
So it's becomes a little bit of everything. That did jar with me a bit.
56:41
Yeah. So when he cuts off his head, it's just like you cut off the head of a
56:44
doll. It pops off. So he can go over, he goes over to the body of the head and puts it back on.
56:49
Isn't that kind of a cheat? the only explanation you could have for
56:52
that is that this is after the
56:55
events of the previous film that this is
56:59
the body of a different good guy doll but still
57:02
with like chuck because it's obviously still still chucky from
57:05
the previous film you know in terms of the face because whenever
57:08
the the peel back the sort of you know
57:11
the skin yeah and that's actually
57:14
a really good reveal because there is a slight different look to
57:17
the good guy chucky here from even the originals which
57:20
I think a lot of the fans were pissed off about especially before it
57:23
was released but it does make sense in terms of well his face would be slightly
57:28
disjointed because of all the scarring but we don't know that until she removes
57:32
the fake but before this was released going by the trailers I think a lot of
57:37
fans were pissed off that did slightly tweak the design of Chucky but,
57:42
they're prejudging it yes exactly there is a reason for it yeah,
57:48
exactly Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yes.
57:52
I like when he throws her off the balcony. It's funny when you see her thrown
57:57
off the balcony, and you feel sorry for her because she's had such a shitty
58:02
life, and she's obviously paralyzed from legs down.
58:07
And it's like, how do you not want to root for this girl?
58:11
Oh, yeah, totally. And now that you put, first, you got Andy,
58:16
this asshole going after a little kid, Andy.
58:19
You just go you just when you first see chucky you're like what the fuck am
58:22
i watching this is brilliant but now you that's what i'm saying this that's
58:26
why this one works because it's dark.
58:29
It's like you still got your little banter you still got a little funny chucky
58:33
there but it's not stand-up night with chucky this is a guy who's going to go
58:38
after a girl that he pretty much already put is in this wheelchair we find out
58:44
by stabbing the mother because Charles E.
58:47
Ray attacked the mother while she was pregnant with Nika and stabbed her in the stomach.
58:54
Yes. And that is why Nika or me is it Nika or Nika? I can never sort of decide.
58:59
Nika. Yeah. Well, yeah. Basically, he's the cause of her being in basically
59:04
a wheelchair all of her life.
59:06
And there's actually so yeah, I mean she gets really rough especially,
59:11
you know she eventually does get blamed in these murders and basically,
59:14
sectioned for them for the, you know To a place for the criminally insane,
59:18
So yeah she gets it rough But I do love the verbal sparring Between her and
59:23
Chucky About Andy Barclay He goes yeah but you didn't kill Andy Barclay You
59:27
know all this here He survived and Chucky's like Yeah but I killed his childhood Next best thing,
59:34
So it's actually done by father and daughter You know the dwarfs So yeah works
59:40
very well Like so much of this film.
59:43
And what sucks, they kind of go the route they were with Catherine Hicks, the mom in the original.
59:48
That was just a one line. Remember how I said I'd like to see the outcome?
59:52
Yes. Of how you explain all these deaths?
59:54
They actually do it, and that's why I brought that up a couple movies ago.
59:58
I wanted to see a transition after all these bodies are found.
1:00:02
How do they get out of this and make a sequel?
1:00:05
They totally do find out. She actually is, she's found, she's found,
1:00:09
she's incompetent, legally incompetent, and she's reprimanded into an asylum
1:00:13
for the criminally insane.
1:00:15
And she has lost the plot at this point. We see her.
1:00:18
She has lost it, and you know what? Sad thing is, you can see that happening,
1:00:22
because at this point, she's fucked.
1:00:24
Well, to be fair, if a voodoo enhanced killer doll had done a load of killings
1:00:29
that you get the blame of, yeah, you'd be pretty, let's just say, upset.
1:00:34
I wouldn't. I'd just go, Trevor did it, and then they'd be like,
1:00:37
oh, yeah, that makes sense.
1:00:42
Sorry go ahead no no it's alright so I got a question for you this is where
1:00:47
I got confused yes at the end the cop takes the doll yes and then Tiffany cuts his throat yes he pops up,
1:00:57
is that the same cop
1:01:01
in the scene we had in Bride no no but the scene itself is an homage to that
1:01:08
scene because even Tiffany after Tiffany kills him she laughs and goes oh they
1:01:12
never learn so yes it's a different cop but it's just a replay of a similar scene,
1:01:18
Tiffany's behind all this.
1:01:22
She's the one sending the parcels with the dolls in them for Chucky to get revenge I figured.
1:01:28
Okay so she's out to get they're just right now getting revenge on the people
1:01:32
who fuck Chucky pretty much yeah even though Chucky fucked them first yeah exactly
1:01:37
but he's still out for revenge,
1:01:39
And then you got the end credits And of course Andy shows out Which is nice It's a lovely scene,
1:01:45
good on him. Yeah. And, and he's just, he's talking, I like the fact he's talking to his mom.
1:01:51
Yeah. I like the fact you see a picture of him and Catherine Hicks during filming
1:01:57
of, obviously they took that picture while filming Child's Play. Yes.
1:02:00
And I really like the little picture, the little, the plaque on the wall.
1:02:05
Did you catch that? Oh, well there's a couple, there's also a picture of Kyle from Child's Play too.
1:02:10
But yes, there's a plaque from the military academy. Yeah, he graduated from there.
1:02:13
You know, I know, you know what is, which I thought was no but
1:02:16
I like that oh yeah it gave us closure to those
1:02:19
yes yes exactly I think overall it
1:02:22
is a just a fantastic scene and fan service
1:02:25
done right but I also love how it turns
1:02:28
out that the mother and mate are now a couple and also the best the best bit
1:02:33
is very subtle and if you blink you'll miss it whenever Chucky is like cutting
1:02:38
himself out of the box with the knife he looks over at the plaque and the photos
1:02:42
and just gives this very it's a Blink and you'll miss it. This dirty look towards him.
1:02:47
You know, this sneer. And it's just so fucking clever and funny.
1:02:52
Because he's pissed that he's moved on. Yeah, he still hates him.
1:02:56
And it's just so, so beautifully done.
1:02:59
And then he turns around. I love when he turns around and goes,
1:03:03
play with this. Yeah, Andy! Boom.
1:03:08
Fantastic. I mean, that's fan service done right, if you ask me.
1:03:13
Yeah, no, this film is... This is brilliant film.
1:03:16
This is a brilliant sequel.
1:03:19
This would be up there if you put 2018 Halloween with it. I think it's the best Child's Play sequel.
1:03:25
But it's the best Child's Play sequel by far. Yeah, by far.
1:03:29
This saves the series for me. One, two, and three get passes, obviously.
1:03:34
And then this one. So the last two never happened in my eyes.
1:03:39
Unfortunately, they're going to have to because...
1:03:41
We get the cult of Chucky's next, which takes place in Asylum.
1:03:47
I can't remember. I can remember being slightly disappointed.
1:03:50
It's on the rail, but we'll get to it. But we'll find out. It's nowhere near as good as this.
1:03:56
Yeah, this is grade A filmmaking.
1:03:59
And Don Machini should go out and do something different. Get away from Chucky.
1:04:03
And create something different and do a nice thriller. I like to see what he can do with a thriller.
1:04:09
And he's still young. He's only like 60 or whatever. So, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah.
1:04:13
You got discovered very young when you got Chucky. Yeah, 25 or something.
1:04:16
That's the reason why they brought all these big names on board with Chucky,
1:04:20
because they needed bets like Tom Holland. Yes.
1:04:23
But we'll see what happens. I'm looking forward to revisiting the cult,
1:04:27
and we'll see what happens. And then the reboot, which is controversial.
1:04:31
And I will say now, I actually really enjoyed the reboot.
1:04:35
So, again, we'll revisit it and take it from there. I haven't seen it. And our retrospective.
1:04:40
I haven't seen it. The remake yet because I didn't want it to basically tar
1:04:46
my memories of the original franchise.
1:04:49
But yeah, I will get to it obviously for this podcast. But I haven't seen it yet, the remake.
1:04:54
Well, the only difference is Brad Dorff's gone. It's Mark Hamill.
1:04:58
Luke Skywalker. You know, Skywalker.
1:05:02
And it is brutally violent. There's some incredible deaths in that Chucky movie.
1:05:06
A lot of people didn't want to go see it because they have respect for Chucky.
1:05:10
I'll go with it. I can get that, but you know what? Give it a shot,
1:05:13
guys, and then listen to us when we talk about it next week.
1:05:16
All right, we're going to wrap this one up. We can be reached out.
1:05:19
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1:05:24
That's all I really got to add
1:05:26
to this one. I'm not as mad now because we ended on a good note this time.
1:05:30
Not that fucking train wreck film that Trevor thinks is a masterpiece.
1:05:33
I enjoy it for what it is.
1:05:36
You know? So you may. So, you know, that means you're going to like every film ever made.
1:05:40
No not necessarily yeah it is you now have an excuse to like every film.
1:05:47
No no no it's all about delivery of that as well obviously wow if you're going
1:05:53
to do homage to Tri Cinema you might as well go all out with it and they do
1:05:58
that in seat of Chucky and more,
1:06:01
guys I gotta end this now because I'm just gonna end his life so that's all I have okay Bye-bye.
1:06:11
All right, dramatic ending. All right, take care. Talk to us later.