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BBT #24 | Celebrating the Wrong Wins, Who Shapes Your Beliefs, and AI's Ethics Problem · Black Box Theory Podcast

• Malcolm: Ladies and gentlemen, we're back. Thomas: This is episode twenty-four. Shout out Kobe. Malcolm: Let me get my my soundboard. I gotta forgot. never mind I don't have a sound on it. Okay, no, it's okay. we we we we we back, we Thomas: Yeah. Malcolm: back. as y'all can see, you know we we we try to stay as consistent as possible with the posting and uploading schedule. And I think like, you know When when you look back at the since the beginning of the year, I think like like for us to be on episode twenty four, how how many weeks in the year has it been so far? maybe like thirty three, thirty-four. I'm just guessing. let me check. Okay. We're in week thirty seven of fifty three, right? I think we this is episode twenty four. That's not that bad. Twenty four out of thirty seven. Thomas: That's 64.86%, 65% right from. Hey, you shooting that from the field, Malcolm: Yeah, that's six that's sixty five percent. That's not bad. That's not bad. Cause Thomas: that's good averages. Malcolm: that's not bad. I I like sixty five percent. But yeah, nah, obviously, like, you know, we try to stay as consistent as possible. At the end of the day, bro, I mean, we both like we both just busy, man. Life be life and stuff be happening, Thomas: Few minutes. Malcolm: work be, you know, putting leather to the both of us. And you know, we obviously got other, you know, priorities and and things we want to do. But nah, we ever whenever we do have a chance to come back and reconnect over some important stuff, then you know, we always try to find the time too. But we do like as always, even even without us posting as consistently as as we should be, whereas we'd like to, we you know, we kind of still it's amazing to see the incredible kind of growth and support from a streaming perspective and just like engagement perspective on our page. Thomas: Thanks. Malcolm: kind of like even when we're hands off, like seeing it still grow, like that's like that's kind of like what we envisioned when we, you know, first started the first started this platform, first started this podcast. Like being able to be hands off and still have like a an audience that engages with us, asks us questions, reach out reach like reach out reaching out to us, liking our stuff, you know, still listening to our stuff. So like I said, we see it all. We appreciate it. And, you I'll say it every episode, just how you know how much we appreciate the folks that support us and and you know, give us their time of day, their a hour or two to listen to what we be talking about. yeah, like I said, saying all to say, got a great episode for y'all today. A couple big topics Thomas: Yeah. Malcolm: that we wanted to to cover man, so yeah, go ahead, jump into it, man. How you how you feeling on this on this Saturday? Thomas: Man, I'm feeling good. but I guess before we before we jump in, I just wanted to say like DMs always open 247. feel free to hit sub. If if anybody sees anything from our content that they like or they want to do a stitch to, you know what I'm saying? Hey, spread spread germ germinate Malcolm: yeah, nah, thanks. Thomas: the product. Like if you have thoughts about what we're talking about and you yourself make content, want to get into content, you know, hey, we it's like what what's that show? Or or no, not a show. It's like for people who used to watch like Flat Reacts or still watch Flight Reacts. Back in the day, him and Cash Nasty used to react to each other's reactions. Malcolm: Yeah, bro. That it was literally a it was like a month like bro, what people s like when people talk about like circular investing with like NVIDIA paying open the eye and this and that, that's literally what cash and flight used to and so Luminati, like they just used to re they used to react to a reaction of a reaction of a reaction of a reaction, bro. Like and they just used to like farm it. But granted, like it was still entertaining and funny, bro, but like like that's how I be bro, like that's that's how you build, that's how you like distribute the product, get more eyes on it, and everybody still wins, man. So hey. Thomas: Everybody Malcolm: That's telling you. That's always Thomas: eats. That's Malcolm: been our goal, man. Like I said, if anybody takes something from this, learn something from it, that's a win in our books. That's all we care about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thomas: But yeah, man. How you feeling though, bro? You feeling you feeling good? Ready, ready for the episode, or or how things going? Malcolm: I'm feeling good, man. I've been I've been I've been pretty locked in. I know last episode was like a couple of weeks ago. Last time we talked, this was pre high rocks. Yeah, yeah, I know I've been getting ready, trying to get my my mind body right, race race passed. had a great experience. me and me and my boy, my my line brother Jaden, we finished with a a doubles time of of one sixteen. definitely definitely had a great time. I think we definitely could have Done a little faster, probably could have got under one ten, you know, if we was running as fast, we really could have been. But that was a great experience, man. and like I said, like Hyrocks is just like a I think everybody should definitely check it out. Like you don't necessarily have to do like the pro one and do like all the crazy weights and stuff, but like even if you want to do it with like, you one your close friend or even the mixed doubles with like, you know, your your partner or your homegirl, homeboy, however you wanna go about it, like I think it says a great way to kind of like introduce yourself into hybrid training. get a good sweat in, you know, get some cool pictures. And you know, just experience something new. So now we on to the the the the next fitness challenge, trying to keep the momentum going. I actually ran a my first half marathon this morning, man. Did knock out thirteen and three quarters this morning. So we we we we low key feeling it, but we still here, bro. Thomas: BBT, BBT X High Rox, fitness. So you got two fitness guys over here. We promote fitness, health is wealth. and and a lot of people don't know. Our guest that we had a few weeks ago, shout out, shout out Jaden. he he was he he's a big fitness guy. For people who didn't check him out, go check out his Instagram, big on fitness as well, and and you see all the great things that he that he's doing. So health is wealth. That's that's the moral and keep going. I mean, hey if if anybody High rocks, you know, shout out. You know, we could be at the next event. Yeah, I don't know. Just putting it out there, just putting out there. Shoot a shoot. Malcolm: Yeah, man. They they be having them in all the Yeah, yeah, definitely go go check it out if you haven't seen all the major cities, man. but yeah, like I said, it's a great experience, great sweat, nice low calorie burn, all that good stuff. but yeah, man, we got some I think we we making an episode at a very I guess like pivotal time, like a whole lot going on right now. And definitely, definitely, definitely a couple big things that we want to tackle for today. So we got we got some some cool stuff lined up for today. first, I mean, I'm sure it's just kinda like obvious, like this is pretty much flooding everybody's timeline right now, but we definitely gonna touch on the the the the little Derek acquitted situation with the whole murder for hire trial and what's what's been going down recently. gonna talk about Nike getting removed from the S P one hundred. And we're also going talk about the recent comments from the ex-anthropic researcher, Jacob Coxon, who recently quit anthropic, saying like AI, these big AI labs are gambling with our lives, and that AI could kill us by the end of the decade. We also want to talk about the iPhone duo. so it's a whole lot of stuff going on across tech, finance, and even I guess culture, if you want to call it that. But yeah, we got we got some we got some stuff going on today. But yeah, we can We can definitely go ahead and kick stuff off talking about this this Lil' Dirk situation. And I will preface yeah, go ahead. Thomas: Little dirt. And y'all know. I was before you preface, I just want disclaimer, disclaimer for everybody. This is this is a podcast. We are not professionals. We are not lawyers. We are not financial advisors. And we are not doomsday preppers that can see the future. so do all do all of your own research. This is purely for informational, entertainment, and community purposes. and enjoy the show. Malcolm: Yeah man, we we we we here now. We're like, yeah, you already know what it is, man. We just be trying to speak our mind. but yeah, definitely want to preface by saying like I feel like the people that that are listening to this will understand exactly why I'm saying this. And I feel like y'all probably will share the same kind of like sentiment as me. This is more for the people that probably would never a podcast like this would never be of interest in. Like, but I'm sure when I share this clip on social media, it'll probably get more engagement just because of like the relevance and how hot it is right now. but I probably saying some people may think my take on the whole Lil Dirk situation is a little woke, anti black, trying to be different, that that whole thing, bro. But like before we get into any of that, we're gonna run down the facts. I know all you people that think y'all are OTF, y'all already know the entire case end to end. But this is for the people who have, you know, jobs and don't follow this stuff twenty four seven, including myself. I personally didn't know many details about the trial. I didn't even know like like this was happening until yesterday, bro. Like I seen My boys hit like I already have boys that was hitting the chat. Dirk free, Dirk Free, Dirk Free. I'm like, okay, bro. Like, let's let's let's pop it out. I ain't gonna lie, bro. But respect, you feel me? So just just for the quick rundown for everybody, man. So the federal federal jury acquitted Dirk, Dirk Banks, on yesterday, September eleventh, on all charges to watch with a twenty twenty two shooting that killed what was his cousin's name? it put his government name on here, but the cousin of rival rapper Thomas: L Lop Lo Quando Rondo. I thought you were saying the guy that got killed. The guy that was was murdered was Lop, but it was Quando Rondo's cousin. Malcolm: yeah, yeah. No, it was no, it was it it was cut it was Quantor's Quando Rodner's cousin, yeah. and so the charges Thomas: Mm-hmm. Malcolm: were conspiracy, stalking with a dangerous weapon, stalking resulting in death, and two murder for higher counts. The jury took three days. the defense's theory was that his former personal assistant, Kavan Grant, arranged the hit without Dirk's knowledge. Grant and two others in Dirk's circle took plea deals and testified against him. defense attacked their credit really as admitted killers, incentivized to implicate him. the two co-defendants convicted on the stalking counts, acquitted on murder for hire, a split verdict, not a clean win for the defense across the board. And another important thing, because I I saw like like this is every single Instagram story and Twitter post I've seen. Dirk is not actually free, bro. Like I like I yes, yes, he beat this this case. I hope people understand that that's he's still he is still in federal custody. Like he still has another second an entirely second trial for for racketeering murder and and firearms charges tied to OTF being characterized as a criminal enterprise, which is scheduled to start October 5th, I think. so yeah, he he Thomas: Which I think that might be closer to Young Thug's situation over the wise. Malcolm: Yeah, that that's the one wet that's like really gonna be like so yes, you know, hey, miracle Brian still is for is is the greatest of all time. He wants some Harvey Specter timing, but like, yeah, no, he beat one case, but this racketeering thing is actually like much bigger, like you feel me? So let's go ahead and and kind of like lay that out. So now that we have all the facts straight, So there are a couple things that I kinda I guess like a little bit of feedback I had for like this whole thing. So also preface for saying, like, hey, I I I love Dirt Music, bro. Like I think he's an incredible artist. He has music for everybody. When you feeling like a gangbanger, when you trying to hear the love songs, you try to hear the the Chicago drill, when you're trying to hear the rap, the hip hop, like he got he got you feel me the whole the singing, like he got the whole the whole nine, right? What I have seen though, and I think that situations like these kind of like situations like like like in like with Lil Dirk being released or or beating these charges, I think it is very telling about where we are culturally, right? The response that I've seen like elicited like from the black community and like from like our immediate like peers and and people that we know, it it made too it made two things like very clear. One, there are there are like there's there are like an insane number of like parasocial people that just live among us and like it's just like completely normal. Like like when I say parasocial, like I'm talking about like these are people that like like literally treat these celebrities as if they are family members, as if they know them, as if they are like good friends with them. And it is actually like mind boggling, bro. Like I'm seeing videos of people crying that Dirk is out, bro. I've seen videos of people like losing their minds, like literally throwing parties, putting shit on putting stuff on the grill because Dirk is free, bro. And it's like Some of these people have real family in jail and y'all have never celebrated like this. Hey, I get it. We love Dirk. He's an awesome artist. We we love to see him back out on the streets, bro. Not literally the streets, but like w we want to see him keep dropping music, right? Yes, we get that. The other piece though, in in it in parallel with the parasocial angle, is it I I hate to be that guy because I know people gonna be like, bro, you're trying to be different. You're just trying to sound educated, woo-doo. And and that's the problem, right? That's the exact problem. Like the CIA is up a thousand on us right now because of exactly how I would think, bro. Bro, we are so ignorant that we are we are literally celebrating someone getting acquitted for someone is still going to jail for murdering somebody. People admitted to murdering people. Yes, Duk Dirk may be the lone Thomas: Yeah, yeah. Malcolm: survivor in this in this case, but there are people literally going to jail for killing people. For doing murder for hire for like for for all of this, right? Like for like and it's like it's like we're just completely ignoring that fact and just celebrating the fact that someone has has beat this trial. But it's like I think people have a hard time like separating like and understanding like Dirk is an incredible artist, but we also have to understand like the message that his music, his brand, and what he stands for kind of like sends to our community, especially to like younger generations that are like that like look up to celebrities to kind of like figure out What type of lifestyle they want to live going forward. And it's it does a lot of irreparable irreparable damage in my opinion, bro. Because like we did the same thing when like dudes like Youngboy got out, when Thug got out. And yes, we love seeing these artists drop their music, bro. But it's like I feel like people have a hard time sometimes, like being able to like delineate between like artists and like what they stand for. They can only think in like terms of like they they think very, very narrowly when it comes to stuff like this. And There's a whole, you know, rabbit hole we can go down this, but I I would just kind of like try to keep it as surface level as possible 'cause I don't want to get too too into like the race theory kind of thing. But I I I do think that this is like there's a lot of like like ignorance, and a bit of like just a high level of like just just being parasocial, I'm seeing, on display from like everyone. and it's it's pretty concerning 'cause like I said, I think this is just telling of where we are. culturally as a community and like the type of it kinda just makes me wonder 'cause like how often do you see us celebrate about like things like as a as a collective, right? Like I'm talking about everyone on the same page. We are s we are we are like in tune like celebrating. Like are people gonna like are people gonna have these these same type of reactions when it's like midterm election time? Like are we gonna have these same type of reactions when we see like you know what I'm saying? So it's like it's kinda it's kinda it's kinda it's kind of a a a interesting, you know way to my approach I guess. Like that's kinda like how I've been thinking about it. and yeah, I'm I'm curious to hear hear to hear hear hear your thoughts though, bro. Thomas: Man, I think like you said, it's a lot of people that are living through others. you know, especially when it comes to rap. Rap's always kind of been polarizing. It's something that people can connect to and rappers. Like there's even a guy, he goes by OTF Alex. I've seen him on Instagram for a while. And he he's a grown man, but he was in Drewski's thing. Malcolm: God Thomas: So for people who watch, like I forgot, it wasn't. It was the cook could have been house. It was one of Drewski's things. He had him as a when they were doing like the the talent competition, it was like a bunch Malcolm: Yeah. Thomas: of people, just different talents or just like social personalities. He was one of them. And, you know, I just say it bring him up as an example. He's the most famous one I can think of as someone who's like, you know, part of th like really supports Lil Durk more than probably some people he knows in real life. and I think the the thing we have to do is It's, I don't want to say it's ignorance necessarily. I think a lot of people put their efforts into the wrong thing. So it's okay. Like Malcolm: Mm-hmm. Thomas: I understand if you look at it from the perspective of a black man is beating the system, a system that has historically, you know, to this day been unfair towards us, not giving us the benefit of the doubt, you know, unfair trials and and all of that stuff. If you could be happy from that stance, That he that he's beating these cases, I get it. But at the same time, you can't you can't necessarily be happy about murders going, you know, people getting off scot-free. Granted, people are gonna go to Malcolm: Yeah. Bro. Thomas: jail for this. Like people were telling, people wearing wires, Malcolm: There you go. Thomas: people were talking about they they were in that room saying they did this, you know. I I I'm not, I'm not that's not my business. You know, I I don't wanna see anyone get killed, I don't wanna see anyone get robbed or or stalked or whatever. And if Lil Durk Did not do it. If the court finds he did not do it and they and they release him, then that that's what the law says. They're gonna find somebody. but I just think people need to try to separate, like Malcolm said, to separate from the music, the artist in real life. Because if if he did something to one of your friends or family, you wouldn't want him back out, no matter how much you like this music. If LeBron James Malcolm: Mm-hmm. Thomas: walked into your house and and shot your grandmother, would you want him out? Like the Malcolm: Wait. Thomas: it Malcolm: Wait, okay. No, wait, what am I? Thomas: I I say LeBron James, but just like I bring up LeBron because you know the joke so people support LeBron more than anything else. They're like Malcolm: I ain't gonna lie, yeah no no not not if I grab me, but I ain't gonna lie it It's it's it's a lot that Leb I don't lie. It's a lot LeBron can do. Thomas: What what actually wait, you see you seen the Nino Pay the Nino Pay clip with the the sandbox podcast, the guys that are all saying like it's not appropriate. Malcolm: Yeah, yeah, like it was like what would you do? Like I certain it's certain scenarios where like LeBron can get off like like Scot free with me. Thomas: So if if Le if LeBron, let's let's do the scenario. Not that we're those type of podcasts, right? But I'm gonna do the scenario. If LeBron James just robbed a bank and knocked over a stroller and you saw all this, the baby fell out the stroller in the street, he's running with a bag of money down the street, you're about to get in your car, he runs up to you and says, He said, Hey bro, hey bro, I need your car. Are you giving him the keys? Or are you trying to hold him up until the cops get there? What are you doing? Malcolm: I ain't gonna lie, bro. I mean, I I I'll go put the baby back in the stroller, bro. I I I'll I'll I'll I'll handle the baby. Yeah. Thomas: So you're gonna give him the keys and then go get the baby. Malcolm: Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. Yeah. Fabron, yeah, I ain't gonna lie, bro. Like it's it's really that. And if if we're being a hundred too, like who who am I that you think I'm holding up LeBron James? Yeah, nah, stay here. Stay stay right here. You kidding me? Thomas: You know what type of payout you'll get if LeBron James assaults you? Malcolm: I don't know man. I mean if he's robbing a bank, he clearly like money's clearly tight, so I don't think it's gonna be much payout going on. But I'm saying me personally, like, I'll take care of the baby bro, but like, yeah, no, bro like Brian cool with my Thomas: You're you'll go to prison for aiding and abetting. You're you're okay, but I brought up Brown because that's how some people acting about this dirt thing, right? It's Malcolm: yeah no a hundred percent. But this thing is they're not joking though. Like like like they're like people genuinely think they're OTF, bro. Like like the pe the people with OTF tatted Thomas: Those you are not good at. Malcolm: on them and you're like from Virginia, it's like Thomas: I hate when I see people OTF tests. I'm like, bro, you, you, if you go to Chicago, if you go to those areas where the people actually involved in this stuff live, you will be extorted. Or not extorted. I'm not gonna say the people are like that. Let me not speak on the people. I don't know the people. My apologies. No disrespect. You will not be good over there. They're not gonna see you and dap you up and give you hugs and money and everything. And like, stuff is. Crazy. And also, we even see people who are OTF like are turning on them. So it's like, even it goes back to the Malcolm: 'Cause it's like Thomas: what's that Gilly and Wallow with a million dollars worth of game, the intro where they they had back again and he had a million dollars on the table. Malcolm: Uh-huh. Thomas: It's like, and I heard another podcast talking about this. Dirk is making all this money. Everybody's not making all that, even if he's paying you to do certain things, like he's putting, he's paying your bills to like. Help him with this, help him with that, you know, be in the music videos, wherever the case is, he's paying you. He's still the breadwinner. So it's like everyone who is involved or knows him, they're not necessarily eating good. But then again, that falls back on you because you're putting your livelihood on another man. At least those guys are getting paid for it. For all the people out there doing it for free, I don't know. That's a choice. Malcolm: what I'm saying bro. It's a like I say i it's a very like depending on who you talk to it's some people that will really argue argue you down about this and like really like go to war about Dirk bro. I'm not one of those people. yeah, I don't know. Like I I I just think it's a little insane bro. Yeah, I I don't know. Like I said, I w I'll I'll, you know, kinda see. Like, I mean, I'm not gonna be like any more invested in like looking for up day to day updates on the case, but like, you know, I'd be interested to see how the second trial goes. But I I just hope that, you know, as a community that you know one day we we we learn to kind of like just prioritize the things that should be prioritized, and know how Thomas: Mm-hmm. Malcolm: to like like we have to know. like what to celebrate and what to put our energy towards and how to like like like take stuff at at face value and understand like even though this is this is a an artist I enjoy and I really like, I can understand and be mature enough and intelligent enough to understand that like that the message and the implications of him beating or not beating a case, what that means, you know, for a broader audience in the community, like how that affects us. I think that that's like the first step towards like you know, just being a more educated, resilient community and and and and people. So Yeah, no though. I mean, like I said, shout out shout out shout out Dirk Banks. and w Thomas: Yeah. Hey. Malcolm: and we will see what the future holds. Thomas: Justice for Nolan Wells. That's what we should all be focusing on. That and all the other cases. Malcolm: Yeah, man. Thomas: And I think I I seen a video talking about they finally man made an arrest a around all these hangings that have been going on. It I don't know if it was for the North Carolina hangings or some of the other ones. I think North Carolina, but I haven't heard much news about that. That was one person. and, Malcolm: Yeah. Thomas: you know, even then, it's like, are they getting the right person for this? Probably not. They just need a fog out. You can only have so many people publicly hung before it's like, okay, we need somebody to you know, tied to this 'cause it's getting out of hand. so Malcolm: Y d did you see did you see about the other dude? I forgot his name that did this thick that that killed the the kid at the track meet? Thomas: yeah, Carmelo Anthony. Yeah. Malcolm: Him. He you you seen the like the text that he was sending out saying that he like supports Trump, he hates black people, all this all this it's it's been a whole development. Thomas: yeah yeah yeah. Malcolm: I was like, nah, now it's like I ain't gonna lie, bro. You can you can sit in jail. I ain't gonna lie, you literally lost w whatever support. Thomas: Wait, wait. You're say this wait, wait, I th I I thought so the the the black kid said this? Malcolm: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, him, Carmelo. Yeah, I'm talking about Carmelo. Yeah, he he yeah. Thomas: What? I th I thought the kid that he that he killed was like racist Malcolm: Bro, no, I mean I mean I'm not I'm not I'm not too sure about the kid. But Thomas: I mean not that racism makes it right, but Malcolm: yeah, it says yeah, he had a whole bunch of Yeah, he had he literally all his PR is cooked. He literally he was cooked. He said, literally the the let me see. Thomas: I need another source. The source I'm looking at is Fox. I I need something that's like fact based. Malcolm: Yeah, he was like flashing guns on pictures. Talking about when I get mad I see red. When I get mad, I can't control myself. When I get mad, my eyes change color. Yeah, I prom I promise you this is real. Go go look it up. Thomas: Is this is this real? Is this real cause it No, I mean like is it is it like is this proven to have come from like he texted these words or is this like some doctored Malcolm: Bro yes, bro. Like w the Fed if the Fed's get a hold of your phone or like yes, this is this th this got submitted in a in a in the trial. Like this is like real evidence, yeah. Thomas: I mean it look f false evidence was provided all the time. I mean I on I mean if he if he did say these things Malcolm: He he he he he's he he's good, bro. Thomas: Okay, right, but then that gets into the question of let's say I have text where it says I w I I feel like doing this, I feel like doing that. I go to an event and some people come up on me, something something happens, and something bad happens to the other person. Obviously that makes you look bad, but does talking about it at first imply the intent? Because then it gets into the case of rappers, because rappers talk about killing people and and doing stuff, or country singers talk about killing people and drinking until the wheels fall off and drunk driving until they crash into a school, and then they do it. Is that like intent? Malcolm: Yeah, but bro, it it's certainly not helping your case more than hurting it though. Like, bro, if if you're t bro, it says yeah, like the text he sent, he was really looking for a fight the same like yeah, they have text of him saying he's he's looking for a fight the same day he stabbed the dude. Of course they're gonna use that against you. That's what I'm saying, like his PR is cooked, bro. Like it's one thing if it's a complete some completely separate timelines, but if you're telling people like you're looking for a fight you see red the same day you kill somebody, it's like It's not a good look. And I it that that wasn't even the part that like I obviously this isn't good at all, but like my thing was like once you started talking like the Trump stuff and how I hate black people, that's when I was like, Yeah, you're in your own buddy. But yeah, I don't know. It's a Thomas: I mean, has he looked in the mirror? What do you mean he hate black people? Malcolm: I mean, it's a it's a lot of I've I say all our all skin folk ain't kin folk, man. It's a lot of lost it's a lot of lost people out here, bro. I will say. Thomas: Hey man, it for all my black people out there who hate black people or think you're better than other black people, let's get something straight. You are no viewed no different. Literally, yesterday Malcolm: You y you get profiled the same way as me. Thomas: we had Francis Tiafo and Ben Shelton, I think it's Sheldon or Shelton, I forgot, tennis match to go to the US Open championship match. What there they said the first time. That there are two black Americans at this level are going to the championship since Arthur Ash back in the 70s. And guess what? Ben Shelton, if you look at him off the I saw people on Instagram saying, Black question mark, is he black? Does he count as black? His father's black. Right? And it it's not being black is not necessarily about looks. You gotta understand, especially if you're in these United States of America. If you have an identifiable black person in your family, now let's say if your grandmother was mixed and everyone else beyond since then is white, maybe not. But if you have a black parent, a a black, like a all-black grandparent, you I guess there's other facts, specifically parents. If you're one of your parents, you are black. I'm sorry. You you are black. And and this guy, Carmelo Anthony, if this what he said was real, he's black. You can't deny it. So you saying you hate black people, where are you gonna get help from? The people that are super mixed and and biracial and even ethnically or or racially ambiguous, they don't get help from whatever side that's not black. When you're black, you're a part of the black community, whether you like it or not. You're not gonna get support from out from elsewhere. And and we didn't make the rules. America made the rules. Whatever the the one drop of blood, they made the rules. They've been here since the start of the country, before the country started. So whether you like Malcolm: Mm-hmm. Thomas: it or not, you're stuck. You you can't say you hate black people. Malcolm: That's not me, but a lot of times like the people that say that are are products of their environment, bro, they literally have become brainwashed to think that they're brainwashed to think two things. One, that we are inferior to any other race because we don't have the same social capital, the same economic status, the color of our skin makes us less or not worthy or not equal to any other race. and then also like they they also brainwashed by thinking that if if you hang around a certain group of people that you just don't become Us that that that that hey if I stay at the if I if I hang around these guys these country club guys for long enough, maybe they'll forget I'm lucky. No. You at the end I don't care how like how many Thomas: Yeah. Malcolm: like bro like I'm not sitting here saying that all white people or or other people are like inherently bad and and just always think that we are inferior, but to have the view that one that we are less while also thinking that just because you think that and you hang you you're you surround yourself with those people means that you are no longer part of that group. You're just the token you're the token black guy, bro. Like you're you you're you're you're you're Thomas: Yeah. Malcolm: still at the bottom whether you think it or not, you're still at the bottom of their totem pole. So it doesn't really matter how you view us, how much hate, self hate you spew and and how much like of these like, you know, the the the approach that you have about like us you know, in a societal and in racial context, but like then they bro Thomas: about safe blacks and all that. Malcolm: You're st you're st you still wanna you still one of us, bro, like whether you like it or not. And so I'm not gonna try to save anybody that's like that that deep in. Like you're you're clearly cooked, bro, but like yeah. Thomas: Look at Nolan Wells, man. Like the stuff is everywhere. Not even like Malcolm: That's what I'm saying, bro. Like like these people Thomas: I don't know Nolan Wells. I know I didn't know him. I don't know what his views were, but he was around people that, you know, a bunch of white young men, right? And guess who who ended up dead? Malcolm: Don't when you're the only one, you're the only one, bro. That's that never like and some people it's because you just grew like now some people can't change that. Like you you just grew up in an area which only you know, only one, right? But it doesn't mean that you have to wash away everything, your culture, your your history, your like like your s your swe like you don't have to like conform to that just because you are the like, you know what I'm saying? So I know it's easier said than done and a lot of people have to be in those shoes to really understand what that looks like, but Thomas: B U and B cough. Malcolm: I always just have thoughts whenever I see just just one of us in a group of, you know. Thomas: Yeah, I'm look, and and if if I guess before we move on to the next thing, be you be comfortable. If you can't change who you're around, I I know people that go to other countries that still dress like they would if they were home, not saying it's inappropriate, but like don't don't obviously no time and place, but be you be comfortable. If you if you grew up around a certain demographic, let's say all of your friends growing up were were were Latin American, does that make you less black? No. It's just don't be weird. about it like don't think you're better than black people because you didn't like Malcolm: Yeah, bro. Thomas: don't be weird about it bro like just like I I can see a random stranger on the street it doesn't matter what their their race is bro I can have a conversation I can acknowledge you I can respect you if I see another black person out public we make eye contact or something I give you a little head and I acknowledge your existence you know that it's so it's like it's not even a race thing bro it's just like a human thing like like Malcolm: Yeah. Thomas: just don't be weird like just stop being weird Malcolm: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nah, it's it's traveling to see. But hey. We're gonna move on to the finance side, man. sorry anybody that that like, you know, is is, you know, well read or kind of like been keeping up to date with all the the the big kind of headlines for this week. This has been a pretty r rough week for stocks, with the exception of like this Friday, I think. yeah, like I said, sort and trading week. obviously Monday Labor Day kind of like, you know, had us give us a four day window to kind of work with. But yeah, it's been really tough with the Like the the the the treasury yields and all the bonds and stuff have made and also like I think diesel has like hit like its all time highs, like two hundred dollars. It's something crazy for the price of diesel. Oil is crazy. Thomas: Devin is cooking. Malcolm: Yeah, I I'm trying to like w we are like like really like running out of like natural resources. Like I think I've seen s other stuff like saying that clean water has also been like deemed not a constitutional right in in a few years. Yeah, no, yeah. That's that's another headline I seen, man. Like like like water, I believe I believe I got Yeah, yeah. This this was yeah, a federal appear yeah, federal appeals court ruled that clean drinking water is not a guaranteed right under the US constitution. That would then they voted for that ten to five. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit voted ten to five on September fourth to like yeah, they dismissed that lawsuit brought by residents of Jackson, Mississippi. Yeah. Like they they deemed that clean water is not a constitutional right. Everyone does not have access should not Under the constitution, we do not all get access to to clean water. And so before we even get into this, like at a at a basic, at a surface level, if you can think about what that means, when something is deemed not a constitutional right, meaning that all humans do not have a basic access to it, the same way that we all have freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, if something is explicitly deemed not a constitutional right, all that does is set the path, all that does is clear the cleanest runway we've ever seen for people when we really do get to the end of of this, you know, natural resources being just available in grocery stores, what do you think is going to happen to clean water? It's going to become privatized. It is going to become top bidder gets access to it. It is going to become whoever puts up the most can pull together the most money to hoard clean water. Clean drinking water are going to be the only ones that can drink. And people that can't afford it, who are impoverished in marginalized communities living on low income, which are most Americans, We'll not be able to afford clean drinking water. If water is not a constitutional right, what else do you think that people will will deem not a constitutional right? What do you mean everyone can't have clean water? Drinking water. Like what are we talking about, bro? Like like like the like the concept and it's like, bro, that is also why like I am on such a like it's it's such an important mission for me that I've set out now to travel. I'm like, bro, this cannot be how other countries like run, run stuff, bruh. I I I just know like I I haven't been anywhere enough to know, but I just know this is not like how other countries are running this. I don't care how much of a economic superpower, military superpower we are. There are just so many things that we do wrong. And I think a lot of it just comes down to basic, basic human compassion. But not to get too derailed from our original topic, but please do go do some research on that on that clean water constitution right thing. but yeah, like I said, Nike has been removed from the S P one hundred. Which is not to be confused with the SP 500. but yeah, the SP Dow Jones, they they announced September 4th and 5th at effect of September 21st, which is coming up soon, that Nike is dropping out of the S P 100, which is the top 100 large cap subset of the SP 500, along with Honeywell Aerospace, Simon Property Group, Colgate, Palm Olive. and these are being replaced with Dale. Apollo Auto networks, Arista networks, and then Sand Disc, which are all tech and infrastructure stocks, which makes sense if you've seen like the momentum of the last few years, like like tech, AI infrastructure, compute, networking are all kind of like taking over that. The SP is very soon going to be very heavily concentrated in like like tech. but Thomas: Mm-hmm. Malcolm: to be clear, like I said, Nike is staying in the in the overall SP 500, right? It's not delisted. It still trades normally on NYSC. so this is an index membership change, not a bankruptcy or delisting event, not to be confused, right? So for context, the stock is down 77 to 79 percent from its November 2021 peak. November 2021, it was $177. It is now $38 a share. The market cap is down from $280 billion to $57 billion. So roughly $220 billion in market value has been erased from from Nike over four years. This is the first time that Nike has left the SP 100. Since joining in December 2008. They had an 18 year streak of being in this SP 100. and now they're out, right? Nike also doubled down and sent an internal memo memo to all of its executives specific to specifically head off any confusion, right? So they clarify that it's still in the SP 500 and this doesn't affect operations, strategy, or listing. and so analysts have like framed this as more symbolic than mechanical. So index funds tracking the the 100 have to sell the shares, but the volume impact is pretty small. but the bigger kind of like I guess signal that we should be more concerned about is that obviously the SP 500 is the shift towards waiting towards AI infrastructure names, right? Because that's that's where the money's at. That's where all the money's being pulled in right now. you know, like I think it just kind of says a lot about like where we're at. I mean, and and to be fair, bro, like I was, you know, me and Tom was talking about this before we started recording, but like in my opinion, I think Nike priced itself out of like being consumer friendly. Nike has priced itself out of being consumer friendly. Like you cannot get a pair of dry, dry fit tech pants for less than like $90 now, bro. No, bro. It's like I Thomas: Yeah, Malcolm: think a combination of that, the combination of the pricing, the lack of like creativity and ingenuity from like af our like the biggest athlete names on like the shoes, like everything looks the same now, right? They're i it's crazy pricing. There's no creativity anymore. and they're Thomas: But yeah. Malcolm: just not the brand that like I think everyone grew to love anymore. yeah, man. De definitely wanted to to to to to get to get your feedback on this one though. Thomas: Man, I think I think they should pick up Tim Cook as a as a maybe a creative mind on the business side, on the you know, operations wise. Tim Cook, I mean, a lot of people think about Apple's recent kind of I don't want to say drop drop decisions. Apple definitely has not been failing. They've actually been making a comeback recently, even you know, even if you think they're running out of ideas. But You know, I think he could do some help over there, some good at at at Nike. Also, I think Malcolm: Are you talking about some you talking some cook? Thomas: Yeah, yeah. Tim Cook from from Apple. Malcolm: You n you know he's still the he's still the executive chairman of Apple for the next two years. He getting paid like he's getting paid like he gets like forty five million dollars in stock every year. Thomas: I mean he look, he could sta he could stay I'm not saying like he gotta go to Nike now. I just think like someone like him might help Nike out. I mean, I think their CEO at Nike just came into power not too long ago anyway. Or like five years ago, something like that. Malcolm: Yeah, he yeah, he bit yeah he was like a he started out like as like an intern. He'd been there for like t like a long time. But like you know. Thomas: Yeah, I'm not saying that he needed to be replaced. I'm not saying replace the Nike CEO. I feel like maybe he inherited something that was already kind of, you know, cooked. But it's like, Malcolm: yeah, he died yeah, Nike was already dying. I mean not not dy Yeah. Thomas: but you gotta look at stuff like Alo. Like Aloe's taxing out the out the wazoo for basic sweats. Like, well Lulu's cooked. Malcolm: Yeah. Aloe, Lululemon, UniClo, you know, all all these like there there's no like I mean that's a thing though, like that's a that's a Thomas: But like Nike. Malcolm: go ahead. Thomas: it's just like but the these other brands, like, okay, I don't want to say Lulu's cooked, but I their stock hasn't been doing that great. But Malcolm: Mm-hmm. Thomas: when you people are still buying, like the hunger to spend exorbitant amounts of money is there. I just think with Nike, they should try to since there are these other brands that people are leaning towards, maybe Nike should bite the bullet on a profit margin a little bit. Because I know they're they're selling these these Nike dry fit stuff for ninety dollars, let's say ninety dollar pants. Brother, you're making that for like, you know, a a a few cents, a couple, couple Malcolm: Two two dollars. Mm-hmm. Thomas: bucks, and you add in shipping and handling and you know, paying the distributors, you're probably it probably costs you twenty, Malcolm: Not. Thomas: thirty dollars to make and get them to where you need to be, right? Not including fuel and all that other stuff. But it's like you you could cut it down a little bit. You know, you guys always end up having excess stuff that goes to the outlets and All that maybe, maybe control the resale market a little bit, maybe stop making it so these resellers are are destroying the prices and people can get them cheaper on the street than Malcolm: Mm-hmm. Thomas: off you. You know, just balance that out. But I I think in terms of Nike, the allure is just it's still there, but they got it, they gotta get it back. But it also is tied into bigger cultural things such as the NBA, NFL. you think about back in the day, NBA, Nike athletes in the way that The game was played was different. You saw Malcolm: Mm-hmm. Thomas: LeBron playing in in his Nikes, saw him doing the crazy stuff you wanted him. Now, you know, I'm no disrespect to Jason Tatum. I I'm not seeing Jason Tatum doing anything that says, like, hey, I want to get Jason Tatum shoes. John Morant has been kind of out the picture for a little bit. Hopefully he comes back healthy this year. but like Malcolm: I c I only the only person I've really seen doing some real marketing has been KD. Like with all the stuff he's been doing with Drake. Like he'd been on that with the with the with the marketing. But I that's a that's also like you said a good point though. I think like the thing with Nike, like obviously there's like a shift in like I think like a sector wide reallocation as far like where people are putting the money. But I think for for Nike, it's not some like you did make some good points. I think like the the core problem though, it's like They're an IKEA is obviously still like culturally dominant. Like everyone knows the swoosh, right? Like that's a a logo you'll never forget. My thing is like I feel like they've they've they've kind of shifted too far away from like a can like the what can what the consumers actually want. Like I think they have to literally like get back like in these streets and like literally get like understand what people want, like what they're looking for. Cause like it becomes a you can kind of tell when a company is just doing stuff because they think people want it versus when they know People need this, right? And I think that's a like I as an example, I another thing we say we're gonna talk like the iPhone duo, right? I think that's an example of like, like, okay, at the end of the day, Apple, whether it's a a smart product or not, Apple is always going to engineer products to be the best in the market. They're always going to have the the the the most incredible specifications, the best engineered products in the world. However, this is one of those times where it's like you can tell, like, what what what Also not not even factoring in the pricing, which is absurd. Two thousand dollars for a Thomas: Yeah. Malcolm: phone of any kind is a that that is literally a lap that's laptop Thomas: Okay. Malcolm: pricing. That's that's PC pricing, right? But and I get the whole memory cost, what no. Thomas: Mm iPad in a pocket. Malcolm: What w what is the addressable market here? Who is like who who is begging for a $2,000 foldable phone? Like like who is the who is the like with the exception of like Apple hype beast that just buy everything that buys everything that Apple drops like every like no hesitation? Who who who exactly was like asking for that? Who who who like who was like like like who was asking for that, bro? Like We don't that's we don't need that. And it's like like that's the thing with like what do we actually need from Apple? Right? What do we need from Nike? Right. And it's like when you get when you start to stray like too far away from that, bro, it becomes like a very I think it's very, very clear kind of like like I think a clear even clearer ex like a very clear distinction, right? Also PlayStation and Xbox right now. They are they are having the most the craziest like like shift in power and popularity I have seen for like gaming company like ever. Like PlayStation's making every single wrong decision right now. Like the the the recent I forgot the the the name of the guy that they just ended their partnership with. PlayStation partnership. This is like Hideo. Let me see. Nah. Thomas: No I'm not sure. Malcolm: This was like Let me see. Playstation ends yeah. Yeah, this guy it's the it's the coaching my guy. PlayStation. yeah. So Sony's PlayStation, they've canceled their partnership with with Hideo Kojima on his upcoming game. and then right after that he published he he got a new publishing deal with with Microsoft Xbox to keep the product alive. And so for context, I actually just had to do some reading about him. but this is the guy that made the Metal Gear franchise. Like he made Metal Gear, like he is one of the the if not the greatest like game designer like ever, and that's like a Decade long partnership that's that that PlayStation had with them. They've ended physical disc, they've made a situation subscription for everything. The exclusive they dropped a week, they just ended one of their longest standing partnerships. Like they're doing everything wrong right now. Xbox is an example of like one of the clearest examples of like doing everything that the consumer wants. They took Copilot Thomas: Mm-hmm. Malcolm: out of Xbox, they went back to it being a primarily gaming system, right? They they they made sure that that licensing games actually means that you own them. They went back to the original Xbox logo. They've they're bringing back Xbox. Like they're doing everything that like gamers want, that the that the people that buy Xbox wants. They're doing everything right. And it's like, it's not even so much about like having like the this incredible foresight to to know like what what everyone. It's just like, it's just rolling back on the the stupid decisions that were done before. Like just doing the most obvious common sense things that are going to quickly benefit, like, you know. everyone that that that that's that's a gamer, right? So it's like that's an example of what I mean when I say like a a a a business un even the Asa, the CEO, right? Like like she's literally she literally lives on Twitter and like talks to people. Like she wants to know, like she wants to get their feedback. Like, what do you guys want? Do you like this? Do you not like this? Like like I I've I've never like it's very rare to see a CEO of someone of her stature to be like as in the field as she is and as hands on and as interactive with like real fans and real people that use Xbox. 'cause a lot of CEOs act like just like a different like race than human. Like like they're just so superior and just so kind of like out of touch with reality. It's very rare to see that, that down to earth, like hands on approach. But I think that's exactly what like companies like a Nike needs, right? Like like you have to I feel like you have to I feel like once you get to a certain market cap and a certain level and certain size and popularity, you start to lose that original creativity and that original spark that got people to become your base in the first place. but yeah, man. Thomas: mean th that's what I just want to add that's kind of what we're seeing with a lot of these companies trying to be more more agile just Malcolm: Mm-hmm. Thomas: in general is because like bro you you a company can get too big and start to suffer from not having the same view. I mean you think about any Malcolm: Facts. Suffering from success. Thomas: you suffer some from success like bro think about any company where it was like it was perfect at one point. It was great. It was Producing the way you wanted it produced. It had products you wanted. It felt good. It felt homey. And then when that company grows, all of that I guess magic is is for lack of better terms gone because they're Malcolm: Mm-hmm. Thomas: the scope is is wider. They don't care. They're not in touch. They feel like they have you. It's the same concept of you know, have have like friends and and build them up. If you're a small company and then you get to a point and now you start taxing everybody more because you've already done the groundwork to say, hey, you know, we've built that that trust, but then you go and break it. So I think I just wanted to add that like a if a company gets too big, sometimes they need to take a step back. And that doesn't mean lay everyone off. That doesn't mean fire everyone. That just means from a leadership perspective, get off your high horse, get back in the field, understand what people want, connect with the people. And improve from there. Your company can stay large, but maybe you just need to change how operations go. But I think unfortunately a lot of companies would rather self destruct and and have an anthropics models come in and and and rip them apart before they do the right thing. Malcolm: Yeah. No, no, no. That's a that's a that's a great point you just made, man. And we yeah, we got like like one more topic that's also just as relevant that that we wanted to touch on, man, particularly relating to anthropic. So this actually this tweet went pretty viral on Twitter, man. so I think a lot of folks have seen it and are talking about it now. But I'm gonna talk about two things relating to anthropic that have been more recent developments. But first is the ex anthropic researcher that resigned, and some of his comments, and then Dario's kind of slowdown call, which I personally think is directly related to the researchers' resignation. But Like I said, as always, to give you the quick rundown. Jacob Coxon, a researcher who moved who context, he worked at both OpenAI and Anthropic. So this guy knows better than anyone with the biggest AI labs, the two largest kind of like faces of of AI research and development and and and and model kind of creation are are like like he he's seen everything, right? So Jacob Coxon, a researcher who moved from open AI to anthropic, he's quit the industry saying that AI labs are gambling with our lives. Pursuing self-improving models and that people building the tech think that gen they genuinely think it could kill all of us by the end of the decade. Evan Hubbinger, Anthropics alignment lead, he also responded that he estimates a more than 10% chance of that outcome. Other anthropic staff made similar public statements, and the more senior the employ employee, generally the more concerned, right? So Dario, the anthropic CEO and co-founder, he followed with a public post. Calling for the industry to slow the pace at which we improve the capabilities of AI models, proposing a plan including third party evaluators embedded at AI companies, antitrust waivers to allow safety coordination between competitors and engagement with author authoritarian governments, explicitly China on baseline safety norms. and so AI is model AI models growing ability to improve the next generation of AI, so recursive self improvement. an incident where open AIs, autonomous autonomous agents, there's like a essentially like a like a test they had run to see like how good their models and their agents were. they reportedly escaped the test environment and hacked into hugging face hugging faces infrastructure without being instructed to. Dario's state of position is not to stop, but it's it's not building its seeds, the technology to authoritarian powers, and that building it too fast is reckless. so Yeah. I don't know. Like this is Yeah, this is this is this is a very, very, very interesting kind of development. I think that the I don't think that that's like I don't I don't think someone quits 'cause as much think about how much money they they were making, right? If you're senior at one of these open AI anthropic companies, you are making like you're making like like your base salary alone is probably over three hundred thousand dollars. Not even talking about whatever equity you're probably gonna get, which is well in the millions, right? For someone to quit. That that means that have there has to be a real kind of like there has to be I as very telling one about someone's morals and like like what's what what's values more to them. or is it like a money thing? Like and it's like for someone to come out and to say that like, hey guys, like I don't think you guys realize like how powerful this technology is and it can really kill us. I think people should be a little bit more concerned than like I don't think that that's not a joke. That's not like a That's not like a clickbait trying to I'm trying to get engagement, I'm trying to get everybody w no, like and for the CEO to immediately call for a slowdown cross coordination across all AI models, all AI labs, I think that's a bit more than just like some type of some type of bluff. I I think that that that he kind of like forced his hand and now he has to come up with it because he knows what he's saying is the truth. Right. So I don't know, man. I don't know. This is this is interesting, man, 'cause it's like I think just kinda comes back to the questions like what does this mean for my career, for my industry? Like like where are these AI labs gonna go and like who exactly would be put in place to check them or to like make sure that that what they're building is not going to like kill everybody? Thomas: I mean. Yeah, it's all good concerns. I mean the stuff is what can I say? It's it's Malcolm: We're cooked. Come on, we're cooked. Thomas: it's gonna happen. I mean, think about the people that are gonna be in charge of these decisions. What do Malcolm: Yeah. Thomas: they go and do? What think I want everyone just look up where a good chunk of the AI look at the countries where a lot of technological innovation is happening. Think about the countries where they have these big AI labs, they have all this tech, they're really known for tech. you know, and I'm I mean, and I'm not talking about China necessarily. Outside of China, there's other countries beyond China. Malcolm: Yeah what yeah. W what can't you think about? Thomas: I don't know. I don't know what I'm thinking about. There's a lot of countries. There's Malcolm: Ha ha ha. Thomas: a lot of countries. Malcolm: Yeah. Thomas: you know, I'm sure I think they got a AI lab in Ca Cape Verde. Cape Verde or Cap yeah, Cape Cape Verde, Cape Verde. Yeah, so you know. but do do your research, man. Do your research. Look at where these companies get their tech from. Look at where the tech's going. Look at even if he calls for government intervention and regulation. The same people doing the regulation, the same people that go out and kill people every day. So what more can we do other than wait for it to happen? I mean, at this point, mean, I can't suggest anything. people are happier to see a little Dirk walk out, you know, not even worried about the fact that he could be walking out into a world where it doesn't even matter, where his music, he don't the record labels could say, Hey, we're we're not letting you make any more music. we have your voice, we have enough, we can just make whatever we want. so it's it's just an interesting predicament, man. I I think I think it's inevitable. All we can do is hope that they treat this like all other innovations, like the assembly line, where it doesn't f you know, ruin our lives, it doesn't kill us, but it just helps in some way. I mean, even Malcolm: Uh-huh. Thomas: with Elon, with the the self-driving fleet of cars that he's proposing, like, hey, your car can make you money while you're away. Malcolm: Yeah I I I was just I was just watching that man. This is psycho. Thomas: But I don't I don't even want I don't know the future, man. It's it's it's crazy. By the way, for that country statement, man. I didn't say any countries, I didn't name anywhere. you know, shout out to everybody make doing innovation. Please, please, please don't kill me, don't don't kill anyone. I don't know anything. I I'm just a I'm AI. Malcolm: Tryna tryna run, huh? Thomas: Yeah, no, no, I don't want small. I'm not running from anything because I I there's nothing to run for. I I didn't do anything. I'm not the enemy. I'm not the enemy. Malcolm: W what are you so scared of? Unfortunately, as you're saying this, the black trucks are already lined up outside your location. So it's it's just just too little too late, man. I think they're actually coming up the the I think they're coming up the stairs now. So we'll go we'll go ahead and hey man, that's out Thomas: I didn't say anything. Free me out. Malcolm: the mub, man. With this this might actually be the last episode ever. my my my co host here might need might be on the look for a new new one. You know, not sure how this this is gonna end up for for my boy, but yeah, man, I think Thomas: Hey. Shout shout out to everybody overseas, man. Help me out, man. Help me out. you know, I Malcolm: Overseas, yeah, yeah. Thomas: think hey, hey, hey, they said they giving out citizenship to black Americans in Ghana. Where my Ghanaians, please. my black Australians, my brother, please. Malcolm: Yeah, no. Hey, no, actually no. actually on the topic, my my guy Eric that that that that reached out to us, that's one of the first people. my my man, he sent us sent us some love from Australia, man, reached out to us on the page, sent us some feedback. He literally set told us he loves a pod, but he asked if we could make like, you know, differentiate like the snippets and actual episodes being formatted to make it easier for him to scroll through and say love from Australia. So like, hey, the fact that this is even getting any type of reach from Australia. It's insane. Like that is insane, bro. Like, so it's like, like I said, like this is what it's all about, man. We appreciate everybody that listens to us, everybody that supports us, gives us the time of day to hear what we're talking about, bro. yeah, like I said, we we're gonna keep we're gonna keep building on momentum, man. we're here, man. You got you got anything else for we for a close out for the people? Thomas: Man, I just want to say thank you to everybody that supports us. thank you for being able to give us a voice, for giving us this platform. we truly just want to help like spread awareness. there there is no power without community. So you know, just just happy to spread the word and want more people to reach out positively, you know, and and not on a real stop stop trying to sell us, please. Stop trying to sell us followers and and all that. All that SEO stuff. If you really want to help the brand, be like Eric. Be a real human that actually like communicates. Malcolm: Nah, facts, man. I ain't gonna lie. Facts. Facts. Facts. Like, hey, we we'll be back again, man. We'll be back again real soon. Hey, man, it's about to get real too. NFL season starting. Cowboy season is starting. So it's become it's about to become a lot more intense, man. It's about to get real. Sports is coming back. My joy is coming back. My intensity is coming back. It's go time, my people. I'll see y'all. I'll see y'all in February for the Super Bowl. It's love. It's peace. And until next time. No, no, no. No, no, no. It's it's love. Hey man, love is love, man. Thomas: Yeah, De Dejaan Love. It's Dejaon Love. Malcolm: It's out of the mud, man. We'll catch y'all in the next episode for twenty five. Thomas: Okay. Malcolm: Yeah.