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Episode 119: Our Thoughts On "Ahsoka" Episodes 3 & 4 (SPOILERS) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello there, it's time for most things Kenobi.
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I prefer all things Kenobi, but I suppose that's not the Jedi
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way, as long as it's not all things Anakin.
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Hi everyone. Welcome to another episode of
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Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all
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things Star Wars. I'm your host, Lauren.
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And I'm your host Leanne. A clacks on alert this week.
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Yeah, we need it. Sound the fucking alarm.
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It's funny because the only response I gave you in text
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after I saw a soca episode 4. Was a clip of the clacks on
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alert? Because I know.
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I knew that you would know what I was talking about.
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Yes, I knew immediately. And when I was watching the
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episode last night, I was just like, Oh my God.
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And I knew what was coming. And I was like, Leanne is going
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to freak out, which is, folks, this.
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Is the beginning of the end of my corporal being corporeal
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being so? Because if episode 5 involves
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more, and I do believe it will. I think it's going to, yeah.
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I said I would die, so it's time to prepare the burial site.
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What are your wishes? To be in the world between
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worlds so I can exist with him? No.
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Yeah, OK, we have ground to cover before we get to that.
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Should we just get it out of the way?
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I don't know. Well, just FYI, we're recapping
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with Asoka episode three and four.
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And yeah, I don't know, we probably should just start where
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everyone wants to start. Yeah, I mean, let's.
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And I can revive myself throughout the rest of the
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episode to talk about everything.
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Else those little heart paddles you're gonna, I do.
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Put on your body. Stand clear.
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Oh God, it's happening. It's happening.
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It and his voice, it was so perfect.
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It really was perfect. So we're obviously people.
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If you haven't caught on, we're talking about Anakin's
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appearance. Hayden Christensen as season
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seven, Clone Wars slash, Revenge of the Sith.
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I just it's and he called her Snips and I fucking threw the
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remote. I threw the remote because she's
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laying there. And it was really cool visually,
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how it looked like she got up out of water, but it was kind of
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electrified or amoeba like space.
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Water. Stuff.
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Yeah. And like, I was like, oh, I knew
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right away she was in the world between worlds.
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Because it was like that plane, yeah, Of existence, right?
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But when I heard his voice, now we're going there.
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We're finally fucking going there.
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We're getting our wish. When it's better than a
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flashback, I think. It is, and it's better than a
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Force ghost. It opens up so many questions
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though for. Me, it really does.
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And I'm OK with that because I trust that the answers are going
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to be better than some of the theories that have been floating
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around ever since any of this started with the world between
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worlds. And also the question that
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people ask, like how did Anakin become a Force ghost anyway?
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Like. Right in Return of the Jedi, I
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think we're going to get an answer or something.
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Or this is all a projection of her mind, but like?
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I'm fine with that. Wizard of Oz ING it, but I think
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that either wizard. Of Oz away.
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I don't please wizard away. Well, it makes me wonder.
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It's like, OK, does that mean force ghosts actually exist in
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the world between worlds? Like is that where they live and
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they can step through portal? It's a portal.
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I think it's a valid question, truly.
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Yeah, cuz Dave Filoni has said the World Between Worlds is not
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time travel, right? It's like a space-time
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continuum, right? It's like a.
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It's like you can choose alternate realities, I suppose.
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But you shouldn't. It's right.
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It's like the old adage, you know, the butterfly effect,
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right? Like, don't touch anything in
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the past, because it will. Ripple out and affect everything
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and that would just not be good. If you're a ghost, maybe it
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doesn't matter much. Maybe, maybe you're not supposed
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to fuck with it unless you're a ghost and then you can just a
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forest ghost can go wherever they want.
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I don't know, because he's explained it as kind of being
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like the Wood Between the Worlds, which is from Narnia.
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I don't know if they have an equivalent of that in Lord of
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the Rings, but, you know, it's like a.
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The forest basically that exists between the different realms and
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when you arrive in this forest, you come in and out of it
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through water, like bodies of water and that that's very much
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like and you can kind of see kind of like, yeah, I don't
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know, it's very much like world between worlds.
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So it's not time travel, but it's like alternate reality
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travel. Yeah, and it would make sense,
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because here's my assumption, she's like, half dead.
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Or she's knocked on conscience. Or she's a like, this is
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something I kind of like to play with the idea of that the world
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betweens worlds is where you go when you're on the cusp of
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death. Yeah, that's what I was.
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Thinking and you can either you can like, come back from it or
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move on into the next realm of existence.
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Yeah, I'm. I'm pretty sure Anakin's gonna
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tell her. Go back.
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You have unfinished business. Yeah, and then?
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Wouldn't it be great if if this unfinished business?
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Like whatever wraps up in this season, he comes to her as a
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Force ghost and tells her good job.
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Oh, that was. Nice.
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Oh. God, especially if Luke is there
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with her. Right on.
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The dump, please. OK, so we're getting ahead of
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ourselves. I'm getting way ahead of myself.
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Deep breaths. But it made me wonder, did she
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know he was dead? He must know he's dead at this
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point, right? Like before this happened.
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What's his name said. Of course, because she knows
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he's Darth Vader. Darth Vader has now died.
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She has now spoken to Luke because this is all in the same
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timeline, yeah. Right, so she must know that
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Luke wrapped that up with a yes. I'm sure they had that talk.
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I'm. I'm guaranteeing they had that
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talk, you know, that's why they seem so comfortable with each
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other in what was it? Book of Boba Fett slash Mando
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interject. Yes, whatever that was.
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They seemed comfortable and like they'd known each other for a
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while, so I'm assuming they had that talk.
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Yeah, it seemed it seemed like it.
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I loved that, he said. I didn't expect to see you so
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soon. Yeah, meaning you weren't
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supposed to die yet. Yeah, so.
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So I'm guessing. I'm guessing he's going to just
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send her on her way back to, well, there's.
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Four or more episodes of this season, plus next season.
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So she has to not be dead. Yeah, but this this is a
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creative AND and somewhat logical OR will become more
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logical way of having Anakin appear.
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Yeah, I mean if she even if she like maybe this is the door
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right? The gateway that now even in her
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world, not in the world between worlds he can now appear to her
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cuz like Obi Wan couldn't see quiet on until he was mentally
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ready. That's correct.
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So. Maybe this is how a soca will
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cross that threshold and be ready to accept seeing ghosts.
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And you don't know, you don't know what the drama is in the
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world, between worlds, between all of the Force ghosts.
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If they're like, listen, Anakin, OK, all right, you're here now.
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All's been all has been forgiven.
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Like, yeah, Can you imagine being stuck in the afterlife
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forever with Yoda, Kwigan, Obi. You have one more test.
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You got to do this right and then we'll turn you into a force
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ghost like or whatever. Like you can walk amongst them
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if you can just, you know, talk a soca back into the living or
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something. Listen to us this one more time.
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What an Anakin? No, it's an it's a sarcasm.
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It's a sarcasm party to end all. Parties.
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It seems like it'd be so exhausting.
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It seems like the tension at the beginning would be very, very
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thick. Yes, yes.
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You know. So we got some things to
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discuss. As they say in The Sopranos, I
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got to say do things. You're not going to like it.
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How about that weather on tattooing, huh?
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It's been pretty rough. Don't try to deflect by talking
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about the weather. Let's just get down to the
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nittygritty. You You suck, Anakin.
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You ruined a lot. But with you, thank God for your
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son and your daughter. Pretty soon Yoda's hitting
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people, separating them with the the the stick.
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Like, come on now, stop your fighting.
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Oh my God. It's the therapy session they
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all needed. It's true.
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They all need it. They need professional help.
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Hi, my name is Qui Gon and I've had experience with the
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Skywalker. Hello there.
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My name is Obi Wan and I've had experience with the Skywalker.
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You know sorry I'm making this joke has run its length.
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I I just the picture I have in my brain is so lovely.
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If somebody who does fan art could draw the therapy session
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between all the force goes that would be great.
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Just a request. That's funny.
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Well, I like I liked that he looked more like Clone Wars,
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Anakin. Yeah, honestly, I felt like they
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were pushing him more towards the animated version than like
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how he looked in Revenge of the Sith with his hair and
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everything. Yeah, it was totally good season
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seven. It was totally season seven.
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Yeah, it was great. It was great.
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And at first I thought it was Matt Lanter's voice laced with
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his when he said hey Snips. That would be cool if they and.
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I don't know if there's a way to check.
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It would be cool if they overlapped it because it would
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be such a. A nod, you know, to everything.
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It's hard now because I'm so used to Matt Lanter as Anakin
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and even his performance is very different and they told him to
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be different, you know, from Hayden.
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So it's kind of interesting to have Hayden be Anakin again and
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not just Vader. That's interesting.
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And he has to be the Anakin from the Clone Wars, right?
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Because that's the only version that knows a Soca.
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So it's. Really what I really want is for
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Obi Wan to come up behind her so Anakin's in front of her talking
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to her and then she gets a hello there and it's him behind her as
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Ewan and the whole gang is present but.
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I'm I would just said. I'm way, way ahead of myself.
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We We Episode 5 is going to be monumental, and I am here for
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it. Yeah, it's a really perfect
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cliffhanger because now I cannot wait for next week.
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And this was actually episode four was the best episode
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wholesale. Yeah, of all of them.
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Balin is amazing. Yeah, Balin is.
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I think he's really fascinating and I think Ray Stevenson is
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awesome. I love the way he delivers the
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line. It's.
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Such a loss. Yeah, I know the fact that he's
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passed away it. That was really unexpected.
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Yeah, he was so young. He's so good, and I wish he was
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around to see all the love that he's getting so far in just the
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brief moments. This is the most we've gotten of
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him and he's so composed and so thoughtful and old school.
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I mean, he's from the Temple days, the same as a soca.
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And did you notice she only used one Saber instead of two?
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Yes, I did, and there was some promo picture of her using
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reverse grip in both hands. She hasn't used reverse grip.
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Yeah. And I actually loved, like, the
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nod to the Samurai. Yes, it's very much a nod to the
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Kirasawa films. I loved seeing it.
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The way they stood and then drew back and then redid their
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stance, it was it was art, I thought it was.
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It was really cool and the like. We're just going to go through
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these episodes backwards. Yes, we are the only way to do
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this. The fact that she burned her
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hand so badly grabbing the map was really cool.
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Yeah, that was a good touch. We rarely see Jedi get hurt.
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So you know how powerful that ball must have been?
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I mean, it's got, it's got witchy things attached to it, so
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I'm not surprised. Night sistery stuff, yeah.
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Yeah, I I enjoyed that confrontation.
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I think it was interesting because he doesn't want to
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destroy her because he knows the judge are so rare, but he will
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do what he needs to do. I really think the bad guys in
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this show are much better actors than the good guys.
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Rosario, Dustin, I love her, she's great.
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But I was thinking like, Sabine is very flat.
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Like, it's all very flat and there's no cheek.
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You know, like Star Wars has a little twinkle in its eye,
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usually, and I'm getting that. Like, even the Elizabeth said.
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Is that fear in your voice? You know, like, I loved that
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little sassiness to it. And his response?
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There's no experience, which is a great, that's a great way of
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saying yes, but no, yes, yes. I'm totally going to use that.
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The writing in this episode was really good.
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I I think because they conveyed what they needed to and actually
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raise delivery of the lines is what sealed it.
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Because he he made me believe that he cared, that he felt a
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certain way but what he will do as he must and we've seen that
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before in Star Wars the the stoic.
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Like, I feel one way and it's a, you know, he even says it's a
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shame it had to come to this. He doesn't want to kill someone
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from the old school if you, you know, quote, UN quote.
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Yeah, you can tell that there's like a story, he has a back
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story that he is holding close to the the vest, whereas other
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people I feel like there's, I don't know what's going on in
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that. It's true, like it's kind of
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like a a blank mask and he is more like, I don't know, there's
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like a confidence to him. But not he's not arrogant, he's
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just very confident, I think. We don't know who his master
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was, do we? I'd be curious.
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I'm so curious. I I had like a flash of a
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because they were talking about lineage earlier, mentioning
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Asoka's lineage like her Master, her line, you know quite got an
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Obi Wan Anakin, Asoka disaster trilogy or whatever that you
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want to call it. Yes.
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He had mentioned it, so it made me wonder like he's thinking
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about that kind of stuff. So who is his master and who is
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his apprentice? Shin is so interesting.
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She was so upset when Merrick or Maroque, whatever, when he it
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got killed. It, yeah, and turned into a puff
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of smoke. So.
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Yeah, night sister smoke. Which which is I think it's
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great that she was afraid because it.
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I didn't think she I have mixed feelings about this character
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because #1, she's like a deer in the headlights in every scene.
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She's in Okay and I'm getting kind of over it.
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But her sword fighting abilities are fantastic in the way that
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she fights. It's believable that she is
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fighting with anger and it's, you know, palpable and you know
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and she means what she says, which is very she says very
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little, but you can. It's conveyed in, you know.
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And her body language and the way she fights and everything.
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And the fact that we got to see a little bit of fear means that
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she underestimated Asoka's abilities and overestimated
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Merrick's abilities so that that put a little thread of doubt in
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her, of like, OK, maybe it's not so fallible or infallible being
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on this side like she's dangerous.
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Asoka's dangerous because Asoka read that whole thing, because
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she's killed Inquisitors or inquisitor like things.
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This was. This was just another day that
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ends in why for Miss Asoka and she did it with minimal effort.
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It was very reminiscent of Obi Wan in mall.
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Yes, I thought the same thing. Did you?
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Yeah, it was just like you read your opponent so well, you can
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do it in one or two. Quick slashes of a of a
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lightsaber and boom, they're done.
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Just like with mall. Even in Phantom Menace, it's
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like he obey one just slashes him and then as he falls, you
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see his torso separate. You're like, yeah, and this guy
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is standing there. I was like, just wait for it.
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That body is gonna fall apart. I mean, there's a reason why her
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hands were like this. I'm doing this and it's a
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podcast. It was the reason why she was
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poised, posed in such a way. You know, you knew.
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That it was a calculated move on her part and Merrick did not
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calculate well. Overconfidence, as usual, brings
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the bad guy down. We still haven't seen Merrick's
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face, so it could have been a woman, it could have been a
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night sister. Oh, could have.
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I mean, the body was very live. It could have been and it could
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come back if this, what's her name on the ship has some night
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sisterly powers to bring back another form or another one or.
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If it was just a conjured thing, yeah.
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Like it seems like a very, I don't know, like a plot device
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they were using. It should come back at some
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point to really tie something together with Shin, because she
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clearly had a very emotional response to seeing that.
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So why would you introduce it to have it turn out to be nothing?
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I do feel like it's it's got to come.
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Person that also makes me wonder if it's a female because Shin.
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Surround it. Maybe she had a bond with
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another female who could fight like her.
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Oh, what if Shin is a night sister?
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And maybe she is. We don't know any of this, so
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that would make her way more interesting to me as opposed to
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just an angry. Please, Daddy, let me try again.
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You know, like. Yeah, yeah, I feel like they
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it's, I said out loud. We're halfway through this and
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nothing has happened. No.
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And up until this fucking episode, at least.
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We're making grounds now. And I got to tell you, I'm just
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going to say it. I'm just going to say it.
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Hate me, disagree with me. I don't care.
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But I hate Sabine. I'm over her.
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I'm done. She.
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Asoka specifically asked her Can I count on you?
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She said yes with her whole ass chest and then Asoka could not
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count on her. Yeah, well, you knew she was
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lying when she said it. I mean, Asoka wouldn't have
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asked her if she felt like she could trust her.
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What the fuck is Ezra? To Sabine.
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I thought they were like, I guess they get closer in the
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later episodes like the last season, but they always seemed a
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bit contentious to my memory, but I guess.
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He's not that great. Really.
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You're going to do, you're going to hand this ball back to two
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fucking strangers who just tried to kill and just allegedly sent
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your friend over the Cliff side and you're you know what?
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That's this is a good decision. I'm going to hand this to them.
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Now I understand it has to happen for the story or
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whatever, but what a coward, moves Sabine.
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Sorry for a Mandalorian You're not really living up to your
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name. Yeah, at first I thought Balin
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compelled her. Because, oh, like with a.
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With a charm. Like with a.
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Yeah, like with the Force, because he.
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Was holding out his hand and talking to her, and he like read
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the Force, remember? He like closed his eyes.
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For a second, he did close his eyes.
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And then there was that little sound effect and I was like, oh,
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is he just like releasing her from?
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You're. But it was Shin choking her from
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behind. That's right.
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That's right. That force sound effect that
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they have, which I just fucking love that.
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I love that sound effect. It's so good and I have missed
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it. We don't get it that often
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without Vader. That's why Anakin came out of
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hiding. He sense that he's like, hey,
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wait a second, hello. Like a lever.
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Yeah, well, these this is all very good questions.
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I just. I was so pissed at Sabine.
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I was like, you bitch. No, I'm for real.
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I don't care. Hate me all you want.
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Honestly, I just find her really boring.
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I'm not emotionally invested with Sabine at all, or Hera for
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that matter. Kara made a bad move.
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That's not really in her character, is it?
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I mean, she was trying to do what she thought was right to
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protect her friends, but but how much do we love that the the the
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guy from Mandalorian was the pilot, the pilot from, like, the
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rebellion? Get why people love this guy.
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I really don't. Well, just because he keeps
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showing up, yeah, it's like. We care because we're told to
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care. Like, I don't really.
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I think his acting is pretty mad.
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But from what I understand, he is famous from something else,
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Like he's a comedian or something.
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Oh well. I mean, it's just nice to see a
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familiar face. Yeah, I I I don't know.
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I was just like, ah, this guy again.
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Where's Tim Meadows? Why doesn't he come?
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Let's just bring all of Saturday Night Live with us, shall we?
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I mean, it makes kind of sense now if he was hanging out with
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Zeb in that bar and then he he comes to the call of Hera.
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I mean, they're all, they must all be buddies.
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I don't know. I did like the chopper.
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I could tell Chopper was the one that said I have a bad feeling
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about this. Yes, Yes.
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And I do like that she invited her son on a mission that could
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have gotten killed, gotten him killed.
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That is, that is exactly what a mother does.
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I'm just saying I don't like that people died.
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Yeah. That was sad while she was
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making a a rogue decision, but I applauded her for doing the Leia
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thing, which is going anyway. She seemed very Leia like when
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she was. They're like, but what about the
23:00
meeting? And she's like, tell him makeup,
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so I'm sure you'll make up something.
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And that was very I had a Laya vibe from that, you know?
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But Leo wouldn't have fucked up. So I I honestly, I really like.
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I can't remember her last name, else is Elspeth her last name or
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her first name? The magistrate?
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I don't know. I just think of her as the
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magistrate. So I can't remember her her
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name, but I like how ruthless she is.
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There's not enough villains like her.
23:28
It's. But they're like, they're
23:30
blocking our paths. She's like, ignore them and just
23:32
fly through them like I was like, damn, that woman is
23:37
ruthless. And I I find it really
23:40
refreshing actually. Yeah, especially from a female
23:43
leader on the bad side, which we only got a taste of through and
23:49
or. Yeah, so this is becoming a
23:53
thing, which I like, but did you happen to notice her costume is
23:56
very nice sisterly. The more that, the more that
24:00
they hang around on her in a shot, you can see the layers of
24:03
red and the V-neck and stuff and it's very like all of the
24:08
witches that were there. Yeah, and then the mark on her
24:11
forehead now makes sense. Is like the night sister.
24:15
I don't know if they're tattoos, they're just markings, but I
24:18
just like her to look. She's the costumes are cool.
24:21
I think the way she looks is really cool.
24:23
I like that actress she was at Celebration.
24:24
We saw her and she's really. She's.
24:27
I think she's awesome. Yeah.
24:28
It's funny because she's she's so nice.
24:31
I know these people are very good at their job.
24:35
I think it's probably really fun to play bad guys.
24:38
I think so too. You know, Derek has always loved
24:41
the bad guys more than the good guys because he thinks they're
24:44
more interesting and and more often than not, they are.
24:48
Yeah, they usually have a more interesting back story, that's
24:50
for sure. I mean, the reason I like The
24:53
Little Mermaid is because of Ursula the bitch is queen.
24:59
I mean, I if I embodied half the, let me say, the more
25:04
confident qualities of Ursula, I'd be a better human.
25:09
But I wouldn't use them to what she used them for to be that.
25:12
Just hold on. I'm doing a terrible impression.
25:15
But you know how she's just so overly confident?
25:19
I wish I had that. Who wouldn't want to be a sea
25:21
witch? Come on with two eels.
25:24
I mean, yeah, scratch them under the This is so ridiculous.
25:28
All right. So moving backward in time,
25:30
since that's what we're doing. We had the duel, the fight the
25:34
the, the hyperspace ring and then we had do you love this
25:39
planet with the red trees? Because I kind of do.
25:42
I think it's I. Do I would live there, except it
25:44
seems like it's night time all the time.
25:46
But yeah, it's kind of like the opposite of crate where it's
25:50
like all white but underneath it's red and this is like
25:52
overtly red, but underneath it's like dark.
25:55
So I don't know, I just I got like a reverse crate feel to it
25:59
where it's like all red trees. Yeah, I love the look and I like
26:03
the like, ancient stones. That's totally my thing.
26:06
Yeah. And they cut right through one.
26:08
I mean, I. Know I was like, how can you be
26:11
sure your map is accurate now? Yeah, I know.
26:15
I just can't believe Sabine didn't destroy that ball.
26:18
Jesus. Yeah, I was, yeah, that was it
26:21
was really disappointing. It was a moment of great
26:25
weakness of character. But I'm sure it will pay off
26:29
somehow, or she'll play it to her advantage.
26:31
Well, if she's going to thraw and she's going to be the
26:34
infiltrator. Yeah, exactly.
26:37
I'm having trouble remembering episode 3 because episode four
26:41
was so crazy. Well, episode three was space
26:44
whales. Oh yeah, it was a whole entire
26:47
space fight. I found it really annoying.
26:52
Like it was fun because it's like Star Wars space fight, yay.
26:55
But like other than that it didn't have much depth to it.
26:57
It really went on too long. Yeah it did.
27:00
And the Sabine training thing. Now I will say that what's the
27:05
droids, Hun Yang or Hoon Yang? I don't know.
27:08
David Tennant. Tennant.
27:09
David Tennant. We've been over this.
27:11
Yeah, I can't remember how to pronounce the name the way that
27:15
he was. He's able to teach with the
27:17
lights on his forearms or whatever the extensions are.
27:22
Do we have a potential grievous? I've seen so many memes of that.
27:29
I know I I couldn't help but think it when I watched it.
27:34
I'm like, oh gosh, this is bringing me back to the Grievous
27:37
days. Grievous would be so proud, but.
27:39
Wasn't there like a kitchen Grievous and Mando or book of
27:43
Boba Fett or something? It was like a chef, Troy.
27:45
That was. He was he was whipping up all
27:47
the things and all that's the that's the correct and proper
27:51
use of someone with multiple medal whims.
27:54
Kitchen duty, Kitchen duty. But I really liked how he
27:58
taught. That's a good use of teaching
28:01
someone if you only have one, and we know he's from the
28:05
Republic and beyond. I mean way back.
28:07
How many to the beginning of the Jedi, You know that's he's got a
28:11
whole wealth of knowledge banked in his little CPU, and I like
28:17
him. He's got the snarky, flat toned
28:20
like Star Wars Droid feel to him.
28:24
Yeah, I really, honestly, I love that they're giving David
28:27
Tennant. Like a whole character now to
28:31
like he obviously he was in Clone Wars, but it's like, you
28:34
know, OK too. I love Katie too.
28:37
And David Tennant getting to be a Droid for like an extended
28:40
period perfection. I love David Tennant pretty much
28:43
in everything. So yeah, I'm a big fan.
28:47
He can do no wrong, really no wrong.
28:50
And we love him here. So I was happy.
28:53
I like his snark. It's borderline K2S O C3PO, and
28:59
like. If R2D2 could form words, it's
29:02
all of that wrapped into one which is like.
29:06
He's not just just processing data.
29:09
Also, he's like manipulating relationships When he says like,
29:13
would you please go together? You're better when you're
29:15
together, yes, yes. He's not so subtly been trying
29:19
to push them together from the very beginning, which I think is
29:22
going to interesting for a Droid.
29:24
Why does he care? But yeah, well, if he's
29:26
processing data, he would know that from the Jedi times they
29:31
always sent 2 because it's better to fight together.
29:34
So he could be processing data and then delivering it as a
29:38
friend, but that's the great part about him and him, his
29:43
specific Droid personality. He's so old and has so much that
29:49
he could pull from that he can turn like what C3PO would give
29:52
dryly like this. You know, the odds are this and
29:56
but David Tennant Droid would give it to you as you know, a
30:00
snarky friend, a sassy brother, you know.
30:05
I did like the trading sequence though, even with the soca.
30:08
With the I forget what the wooden swords are called, but I
30:12
know. But I loved how she just tap
30:13
Sabine and it was just a mess. All she had to do was tap.
30:16
It was great. Yeah, it was.
30:17
I thought the sequence was really fun to watch.
30:19
But I did get really mad, actually, about the whole
30:23
conversation about the Force that came after that, because
30:27
that felt like they were changing what the Force is
30:31
within Star Wars. And that really bothered me.
30:33
It goes, it goes back to the last Jedi argument of absolutely
30:38
anyone can have the Force and use it with a little bit of
30:42
practice, and I just don't think it's that simple.
30:47
Well, that it implies that it's just requires practice and
30:50
focus, which is not true considering it's not true like
30:53
there were Jedi who became Jedi because they showed signs as
30:58
infants, right? Luke could blow up the Death
31:01
Star and could fight with the helmet on in A New Hope because
31:06
he had the Force, not because he was practicing.
31:09
That's very true. So extremely true.
31:13
Like the Force is within everyone, but you have to have,
31:16
according to George Lucas, midochlorians.
31:19
And your midochlorian level determines how good you are with
31:22
the Force. So to imply that Sabine is going
31:25
to be able to like, grab a mug from across the table, I was
31:28
like, are you wreck cutting start Like, what the fuck is
31:31
this? It really, really bothered me.
31:33
I'm glad she didn't pull the cup across the table.
31:37
It can't go that easily, sorry. That's I'm sure by the end of
31:40
this season she'll do something. No, I think she's going to
31:44
reject it and go back to her Mandalorian ways because she's
31:46
obviously a much better fighter. As if she sticks to what she is,
31:51
which is a fucking Mandalorian. Yeah, but I think Disney is
31:55
prepping us for their next set of movies because they just
32:00
announced they renamed the eras. I don't know if you saw that
32:03
news. So like, all the different eras
32:07
that exist in Star Wars have been renamed, and the new one
32:09
coming is the New Jedi Order. And that's what Ray is going to
32:13
make. So I think it's going to play
32:16
into that idea that Ryan Johnson introduced the end of Last Jedi
32:20
with the little kid with the broom sweeping or whatever.
32:24
It's going to be a bunch of Newsies, newsy kids, orphans who
32:29
become Jedi. I don't know.
32:31
I think Disney is getting ready to like redefine what it means
32:36
that that's the the sense I get. I will say I'm going to need
32:40
time to to process all of that, so I won't comment.
32:43
However, read between the lines. There's something elite about
32:52
Jedi about people strong with the force.
32:56
They're a cut above the rest. And there's two arguments to
32:59
this thought. There are people who really like
33:02
the idea that absolutely anyone can do great things with the
33:05
Force because it's in everybody. OK, that's that's one side.
33:09
And then the other side is you're born with this gift of
33:14
just this elite talent, and if it's not channeled properly,
33:19
you, it can turn very bad. Which is why the Jedi swooped in
33:23
and took people when they were babies or children, you know?
33:26
And why the problem of Anakin was that he was too old.
33:30
Well, the kid with the broom in The Last Jedi is too old by the
33:35
very Canon terms that are explained about Anakin.
33:41
So what does that make Sabine? She's way too old.
33:45
OK, if you go with the thing that there's the Force in
33:50
everyone and and all you need is a little practice, well, a four
33:53
month old isn't going to get practice.
33:56
You have to wait until they grow up a little bit and channel it.
34:00
If they get to be too old, then you have the problem of Anakin.
34:03
And then if you're like, I don't know, whatever age Sabine is,
34:06
you're kind of like times you missed the bus, you know, like,
34:10
right. That train has left the station.
34:13
So I don't know where I stand on all of this, because while it's
34:19
nice and homey and and kumbaya that everyone's got the Force in
34:23
them, I'm more on the side of like, it's an elite group that
34:27
needs to be focused and if you wait too long, they have the
34:30
risk of turning into fucking Darth Vader.
34:34
Yeah, yeah. It makes for a better story.
34:37
Yes, and. George Lucas based his original
34:41
story the whole idea of Star Wars.
34:44
The concept is based on the Hero's Journey and with the
34:47
Hero's Journey. The version of the Hero's
34:49
Journey he selected is where you were born with a skill.
34:52
But then the wise old wizard gives you the magical sword.
34:57
It's quite literally a thing. The magical sword, the magical
35:00
boon which gives you an opening to a new world.
35:06
Yes. It's not something that gets
35:08
better with practice. It's a gift that's given to you.
35:12
That's correct. Yeah.
35:14
And so, like, I don't know. It just really irritates me, I
35:18
guess because they're changing all this stuff and Star Wars,
35:22
fine, OK, Like, I can accept it. The The Force is like the
35:26
foundation of Star Wars, correct?
35:29
Yes, and the very fact that we have these special heroes, these
35:33
Jedi who. Can do more for people and but
35:38
they also carry a heavy burden as a responsibility and that's
35:41
also why it makes and or so special because they're just
35:44
regular people and like Rogue One they're not Jedi.
35:48
That's right. Sacrificing.
35:50
So to kind of blend these worlds now, I don't know.
35:54
I find that really annoying, and not just because I don't like
35:59
change, but because I don't think it's very good
36:01
storytelling. And again, as always.
36:05
They're undermining the fucking shit that they've already
36:09
established. Yeah, you said it.
36:12
Why do they do this in Star Wars?
36:14
Why Obi Wan kills the Sith, the first one in 1000 years?
36:18
Oh, he's not really dead, yeah. Why?
36:23
Vader literally sacrificed to save his son and undid decades
36:29
of of all of that. And oh, Palpatine's back.
36:33
Exactly. It's that's it's hard that those
36:37
are hard pills to swallow in in in the Star Wars universe.
36:41
Look bottom line here on most things.
36:43
Kenobi, you and I have always agreed that the story and the
36:47
storytelling must come first because it's what it's that's
36:51
what the foundation is. And then when we start to see
36:55
little tiny feather cracks, you know, in in the in the
37:00
foundation, it's rough. It's a little rough.
37:03
We'll see. It's frustrating.
37:05
Yes, I'll wait to see what happens, but I'll eat my hat.
37:10
OK? If Star Wars doesn't end up
37:12
coming out with some new Jedi school where anyone can go in
37:15
the future movies, well, they're probably already developing that
37:18
part of the park as we speak. Your Jedi training school begins
37:26
here. Everyone's got the Force in
37:28
them. Get a little injection of
37:32
mitochlorines into your blood and you'll be just fine.
37:35
Look, if that is the way they're going, can I get 3 vials?
37:39
Fuck. I do not want to get up and get
37:43
myself a glass of water. Ever.
37:47
Give me use the Force. Yeah, I don't want to get up and
37:50
turn the lights on or off. I don't want to find my TV
37:53
remote. I just want to reach out and get
37:56
it. So I'll take, I'll take 5 vials
37:59
if that's what it takes. Put it right in my blood.
38:02
Just right in the vein. Whatever Disney is charging,
38:04
I'll pay. Oh God, I shouldn't joke.
38:08
It turns out it's just cocaine. I can get so much done.
38:16
I have the force. Here's a sigh off your ass.
38:23
An 8 ball of midichlorian. This show is not approved for
38:33
Children Fucking Dead. So next week's episode, we will
38:45
continue the discussion about Asoka Episode 5 if it really
38:50
does go the route we think it is and involves a lot of Anakin
38:54
Skywalker stuff like flashbacks Slash forwards in between
39:00
realms. Forced Ghost, Non Forced Ghost.
39:02
We're here for all of it, and if none of it happens, we'll still
39:06
talk about episode 5. So join us back here.
39:08
I'm sure I will lose my mind. Last week's episode we discussed
39:13
the seven capital virtues and we asked our listeners, can you
39:18
suggest any other word studies or character studies for us to
39:21
examine on future episodes? And Emily said.
39:26
Saw on a post recently about Jedi lineages.
39:29
We obviously know the main one, Yoda to Asoka.
39:32
Another is Mace window to Ezra, which I hadn't thought about.
39:37
How do Jedi inherit traits or beliefs or break cycles would be
39:42
a thing to study? I thought, that's an interesting
39:44
idea. I really like this, that we
39:46
could do the trees and follow it down and see what
39:49
characteristics stuck and which ones, you know, got tossed out.
39:53
I love this idea. This is a great idea.
39:54
Thank you. So interesting.
39:56
I never thought of Mace Window to Ezra, but it's true because
40:01
Deepa is Kaden's master. And yeah, so interesting.
40:05
Great idea. Thank you for that submission.
40:09
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