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Ep 1091 | New York City Shows Socialist Grocery Practices Are a Major FAIL! | Guest: Dave Landau · Predictable with Stu Burguiere

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  Stu does America.
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  Welcome to Pseudo's America.
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  I've got a great show for you coming up.
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  Uh,
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  Dave Landau gonna be here to talk about everything from Hunter Biden
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  to Ozzy Osbourne,
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  but we're gonna start by doing socialism in the grocery aisle.
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  You know,
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  if you're like me.
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  You probably think to yourself,
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  wow,
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  communists do a great job providing food to people,
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  don't they?
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  I mean,
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  you think about the Ukrainian Holodomor,
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  you think about Mao's Great
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  Leap Forward.
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  How about just off our shores in Cuba?
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  Seems like there's just a bounty
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  everywhere communists go.
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  Let's try it here in America,
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  shall we?
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  At least let's try it right
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  in New York City.
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  We showed you this video,
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  I think maybe last week or the week before.
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  I want to set the table with this.
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  There's a bunch of new.
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  Stuff on it,
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  but here's the mom,
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  Donnie,
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  uh,
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  grocery stores owned by the city
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  proposal.
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  Grocery prices are out of control.
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  The cost of eggs and milk has skyrocketed.
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  Some stores are even using dynamic pricing,
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  jacking up the cost over the course of a day,
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  depending on what they can get away with.
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  It doesn't need to be this way.
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  I'm Zahran Namdani,
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  and as mayor,
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  I will create a network of city-owned grocery stores.
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  It's like a public option
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  for produce.
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  We will redirect city funds.
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  From corporate supermarkets to city-owned grocery stores,
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  whose mission is to lower prices,
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  not price gouge.
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  These stores will operate without a profit motive,
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  or having to pay property taxes or rent,
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  and will pass on those savings
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  to you.
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  Now,
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  I've already told you that the money that he
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  thought was going to pay for this program,
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  he actually just misread a website.
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  That's,
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  that's the basis of this program,
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  so it hasn't been thought out all that well,
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  but
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  shockingly enough,
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  they're now trying to justify it,
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  and they need to come up with some.
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  Some person to step forward and say,
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  hey,
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  no,
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  we swear this is going to work.
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  Now of course the source for this is the New York Times.
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  New York City
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  has the power to bring down grocery prices.
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  All cities do.
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  Uh,
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  so they had to go find some communist to justify this communist policy.
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  They got this woman,
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  Zephyr Teachout,
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  who,
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  uh,
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  there she is pictured with Cynthia Nixon in her failed run
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  for,
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  was it governor or mayor?
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  I don't know.
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  She was running for Teachout was running for attorney general
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  at the time,
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  and she has an op ed,
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  which is just,
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  I mean,
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  it's embarrassing,
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  frankly,
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  it's just absolutely terrible.
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  The food system in the United States is rigged in
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  the favor of big retailers and suppliers in several ways.
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  Big retailers often flex their muscles to demand special deals.
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  To make up the difference,
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  suppliers then charge
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  the smaller stores more.
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  I want you to remember this,
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  what they're doing here.
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  They're they're,
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  they're getting these great deals on stuff so they can,
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  you know,
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  charge less for them.
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  And that's screwing the smaller stores.
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  OK,
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  remember that for just a moment.
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  Those discounts are one reason independent grocers struggle to survive.
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  They're a major reason we have food deserts,
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  which we basically don't have.
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  Uh,
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  they're also a major reason that prices are so insane.
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  Around population centers,
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  basically,
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  uh,
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  the food desert thing is largely a myth.
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  We've already kind of disproven that before as well.
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  Uh,
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  Eric Hovenkamp goes through some of the problems with this particular line,
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  says this is something that might sound intuitive.
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  But it's in fact totally nonsensical,
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  when a supplier charges less to someone else,
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  that doesn't make them suddenly want to raise the price to you.
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  Huh,
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  really,
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  is that true?
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  Well,
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  if they could make more profits by charging you more,
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  they would already be doing it.
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  So this isn't like some saying,
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  oh well,
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  these big companies are actually super nice and they want to help you.
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  No,
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  they're trying to get as much as they can out of you.
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  If they could get more,
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  they would.
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  In fact,
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  it's harder to get more out of you if your competition
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  is paying less.
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  It's going to make you
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  look for a lower price.
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  But anyway,
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  he says lots of populist economics make this mistake.
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  Another example is the idea that inflation is caused by greed.
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  Firms were already greedy.
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  They always set prices to maximize profits.
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  They don't suddenly become greedy during economic downturns.
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  This is what,
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  this is the brilliance of our founders,
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  honestly.
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  They understood
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  that people would go for it.
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  They would try to,
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  they would,
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  we expect in our system that everyone is trying to get the most for themselves.
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  We expect selfishness.
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  The system is set up
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  for selfishness.
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  Now,
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  as our own Glenn Beck would point out,
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  there's another Adam Smith book that also says,
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  you know,
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  you should probably.
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  Have a little bit of moral clarity as well to go along with that invisible hand,
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  and they do work best together,
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  but the way our society is set up is to
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  kind of guard against it,
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  to make sure,
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  hey,
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  if someone is trying to maximize the costs that are going to you,
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  you can always go to the competition.
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  We keep it open and honest and have people come out,
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  and that way you can get the best price possible.
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  This has worked well,
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  by the way.
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  Just so you know,
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  billions of people are ripped out of poverty because of it.
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  He goes on,
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  it's funny because populists sometimes defend their arguments by
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  saying that the economists underestimate how greedy firms are.
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  It's actually the other way around.
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  Economists treat firms as maximally greedy.
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  And that's how we know these populist arguments make no sense,
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  and a lot of that's true.
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  I mean,
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  that's what I'm saying about the founders.
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  They treated it as this system as,
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  you know,
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  we're probably people are going to try to do the best for themselves,
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  and we should kind of acknowledge that and understand that they're fallible,
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  they might not be perfect.
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  Let's plan a system around that.
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  And again,
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  it's worked
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  relatively well.
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  Now back to Zephyr Teachout,
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  who has a different.
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  View,
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  I will be clear,
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  she says none of this is utopian,
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  communist,
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  or silly.
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  It is definitely utopian.
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  It's definitely communist,
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  and it is definitely silly.
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  It is practical,
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  she says.
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  It fosters open markets.
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  Yes,
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  she cares about markets.
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  It's a lifeline for small businesses and it's popular.
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  People are tired of being squeezed at the checkout counter.
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  While corporate giants count their profits,
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  so
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  Remember what I said to Remember earlier.
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  The problem was they were getting special deals.
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  They were undercutting the little guy.
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  Their prices were too low.
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  That was the problem.
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  But now you're being squeezed at
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  the checkout counter
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  and they're maximizing profits.
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  By charging you less.
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  That's what we're supposed to understand.
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  She goes on,
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  cities
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  where people live in direct contact with one another can be
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  more responsive to these desires than the national government can.
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  I mean,
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  that part is true.
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  I mean,
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  she doesn't mean it at all.
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  Uh,
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  she only means it when it matters to her,
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  but that is a true concept.
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  Uh,
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  she says,
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  remember,
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  the next time you're staring down a $10 carton of eggs,
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  call the mayor.
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  So now,
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  the problem isn't that they were charging too little.
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  For the eggs,
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  it's that they're charging too much for the eggs,
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  and it's funny because she uses eggs.
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  She also used eggs earlier
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  in a very specific way.
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  This is highlighted by Marginal Revolution,
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  the grocery confusion.
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  She says,
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  uh,
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  consider eggs at the,
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  uh,
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  independent market near my apartment.
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  The price for a dozen white eggs was 5.99.
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  at a major national retailer a few blocks away,
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  I know you have to walk a few blocks away,
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  it was 3.99.
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  So her example.
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  At the end,
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  is that eggs are too expensive.
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  For example,
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  earlier in the same story.
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  Of how horrible our system is,
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  is that eggs are too cheap.
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  The one abusing you,
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  as they point out,
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  is the one charging less.
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  She also points out,
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  he also at Marginal Revolution also points out
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  within the span of a few paragraphs,
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  the op ed veers from claiming large retailers charge prices that are unfairly low
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  to blaming them for charging prices that are too high.
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  I'm surprised she didn't go for the trifecta and accuse them of colluding
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  to charge the same price,
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  because that is also something that she will
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  complain about at a different time when it benefits
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  her.
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  Now,
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  even the New York Times realized how bad this
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  whole situation was and how pathetic it was.
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  They have a follow-up op ed,
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  kind of giving you the other side.
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  The problem with grocery stores isn't profits.
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  It's reality and it picks apart the Zephyr Teachout op ed.
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  These assertions collapse
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  upon the slightest scrutiny.
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  New York City's government does not have a secret stash of large,
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  empty,
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  retail-ready ground floor spaces conveniently located
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  along major pedestrian and transit corridors.
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  Indeed,
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  the city regularly rents real estate,
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  including retail style space from private owners.
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  Prospect.
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  Especially uncertain because the city-owned grocery stores
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  would probably face higher labor costs,
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  including government scale pension and health benefits,
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  which is hilarious because if they opened a city-owned grocery store,
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  you know this woman would be out in front of it complaining
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  the employees were not getting paid enough and should get a more generous pension,
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  which of course the evil big corporate grocery store is not giving out,
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  which is one of the reasons they can keep their prices so low.
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  Because they're paying actual market value.
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  All of this is evil to Zoran Imam,
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  Dani and friends.
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  And if city stores would be selling fresh produce for no profit,
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  this is one of my favorites because
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  it's government programs bumping into government programs,
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  they would be competing with 1000 low priced street vendors,
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  many of them immigrants
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  who operate carts under a program Bloomberg began in his administration.
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  Now it's funny because you have
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  this new supposed grocery store that's going to come in with
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  supposed prices despite giving pensions and all sorts of benefits.
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  They're going to somehow do that,
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  which is not reality.
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  But then in addition,
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  they're going to now be giving you prices,
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  low prices of produce and such,
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  which he actually mentions.
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  It's like a public option for produce
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  which would then compete with the
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  probably many illegal immigrants,
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  some legal immigrants operating these food stands.
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  Which they already started as a government program
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  to give low price produce to everybody because Bloomberg
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  was,
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  I guess at one point a Republican,
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  but basically
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  a guy
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  who wanted to control what you ate too.
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  So that's good.
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  By the way,
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  do you know what the grocery store,
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  uh,
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  profit margin is?
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  They're trying to get rid of profit.
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  That's going to lower your prices.
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  You know what that profit margin is?
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  Uh,
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  2%.
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  2%.
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  So,
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  that's great.
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  You're gonna get 2% off all of your groceries.
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  Can you imagine the party you will throw
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  with an extra 2% of a tomato?
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  It's gonna be a lot of,
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  it's gonna be a very fascinating time.
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  Now,
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  you might say to yourself,
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  well,
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  that's a lot of words,
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  way too many words
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  for people who obviously have never read anything before,
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  but
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  you'll be surprised to hear that it comes in video form as well.
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  In fact,
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  they've already tried this.
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  You might say,
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  what,
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  wait a minute.
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  If they've already tried it,
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  then we can just follow that example,
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  right?
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  How is that working out?
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  Well,
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  first of all,
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  you can go check the Soviet Union,
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  where things did not turn out all that well,
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  but it's also being tried right now in Kansas City.
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  Guess how that experiment is going.
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  But recently
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  the shelves have looked like this.
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  I had to catch the bus all the way to Walmart.
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  What is that like for you?
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  It's very inconvenienced.
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  So what's going on?
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  Well,
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  we asked Councilwoman Melissa Robinson,
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  who represents the area right now because of a lot of the
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  elements of safety,
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  um,
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  our.
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  Residents and neighbors don't feel comfortable shopping in
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  the store to keep the store open.
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  It will require some city subsidy and investment.
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  So in council chambers Thursday afternoon,
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  she's proposing about $750,000 to go to the store
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  to help restock.
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  That's it.
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  And I've been very clear
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  that
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  If we want that store to be viable,
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  there's going to have to be a subsidy year after year.
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  In the meantime,
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  Alan and Latrice just hope that the next time they come back,
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  there will be a little bit more to take home.
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  Well,
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  I hope it happens.
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  I hope it happens for me.
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  I hope it happens for the neighborhood.
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  I mean,
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  you hope for the best for these people.
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  They seem like nice people who just want to get some groceries.
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  But this
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  doesn't
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  work.
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  Of course they need more subsidies,
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  and you know what's going to happen when they get more subsidies?
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  They will need more subsidies.
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  That's always what happens.
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  This is not the way this works.
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  Walk into a grocery store in your area,
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  you're gonna see a heck of a lot more food on the shelves than you just saw right there.
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  And that's what I wanna highlight here because this
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  was probably my favorite video of the entire week,
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  honestly.
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  It was a video of a Cuban guy who just came from Cuba,
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  never been to a Costco before.
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  Look at this guy's eyes light up.
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  I'll give you the translation.
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  Here it is.
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  Uh,
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  says,
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  oh,
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  she says,
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  close your eyes,
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  and he just reacts with like
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  glee
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  as he sees the meat,
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  uh,
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  the meat area.
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  He's holding the two things up.
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  They're very heavy.
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  He says,
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  I can exercise with this.
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  Look at people just buying meat.
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  He's amazed by that.
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  He says there's so much meat here.
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  This is too much.
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  It's too much.
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  Walking around,
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  look,
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  they say,
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  look,
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  apples.
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  That's amazing.
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  When I came here,
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  it said I was an alien.
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  Now I see this.
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  I feel like I'm an alien from another planet.
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  You never think you're going to get here until you step foot and say,
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  wow,
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  it is really real,
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  because you just see it in the movies.
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  This is really hard to see.
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  It's emotional.
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  You know,
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  a lot of people walk into a Walmart or a Costco and they have this reaction of like,
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  can you believe this?
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  This urban sprawl,
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  the suburbs,
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  the exurbs,
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  look how ugly they are.
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  Uh,
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  you walk in here and it's these,
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  all these cold
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  fluorescent lights.
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  That is not how I look at it at all.
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  I look at it,
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  you know,
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  I've never lived anywhere,
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  I've never had a tough day in my entire life.
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  I've never lived anywhere
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  uh like Cuba,
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  thank God,
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  but I look at those things with the same eyes as that guy.
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  I'm
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  completely amazed that it's even possible
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  that these places exist.
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  It's a miracle
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  that these places exist.
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  We're talking about.
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  Everything you could ever want
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  from
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  from a material sense
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  all in one location
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  for a very low price
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  available to you 24 hours a day
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  in almost every population center inside of the United States.
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  It's a miracle.
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  No other society has ever enjoyed anything like it.
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  And all we do is bitch and complain about this country all the time.
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  It's got its problems.
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  I'm with you.
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  I do my share of complaining,
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  you may have noticed occasionally on this program.
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  And it's all justified,
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  I'm sure,
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  you know,
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  at times,
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  maybe we lose a little perspective.
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  That doesn't mean we don't point out the problems,
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  but we should occasionally appreciate what we have.
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  It is incredible that you can walk into
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  a Costco and see
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  all of that bounty.
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  That anyone,
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  a person who came here
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  from Cuba
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  who felt like an alien from another planet,
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  seeing what we take for granted every single day,
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  it is a moment we should all step back from
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  and realize that not only should we be
• 14:48
  so thankful for what we actually have in this country,
• 14:51
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  when people like Zoran Mamdani come in here and tell
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• 15:15
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• 15:18
  helped billions of people
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  live lives that are not in deep,
• 15:23
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  Protect what we have.
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• 16:54
  I'm joined now by Dave Landau,
• 16:56
  comedian and host of Normal World right here on Blaze TV.
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  He's also the author of the new book Party of One,
• 17:01
  which you can pick up wherever you get your books.
• 17:03
  And if you're in Oklahoma City,
• 17:04
  you can catch Dave at the Bricktown Comedy Club tomorrow through Saturday.
• 17:08
  That'd be a great time,
• 17:09
  uh,
• 17:09
  check it,
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  check it out.
• 17:10
  Uh,
• 17:10
  Dave Landau.com is where you get the tickets.
• 17:12
  I was in Oklahoma City a few weeks ago.
• 17:14
  Were you really?
• 17:14
  Yeah,
• 17:15
  it's really like the downtown's awesome.
• 17:17
  It's really nice.
• 17:18
  It's really nice.
• 17:19
  Like they've built it up.
• 17:20
  There's like tons of stuff to do.
• 17:22
  We were there for one of my kids,
• 17:23
  uh,
• 17:23
  like,
• 17:24
  you know,
• 17:24
  uh,
• 17:24
  baseball tournaments,
• 17:25
  and,
• 17:26
  uh,
• 17:26
  but it was like great.
• 17:27
  The team was out there running around the streets,
• 17:29
  like on the little scooters.
• 17:31
  There's so much to do there.
• 17:32
  Yeah,
• 17:32
  the first time I went there it was pretty barren.
• 17:34
  Yeah,
• 17:35
  I don't remember it being awful.
• 17:36
  Awesome.
• 17:36
  I have to,
• 17:36
  I have to admit it's like going to Waco shortly after Waco,
• 17:40
  you know,
• 17:40
  you're like,
• 17:41
  oh yeah,
• 17:42
  this is cold and I don't want to think about it.
• 17:44
  But yeah,
• 17:44
  now it's kind of moved past it as sad as that is,
• 17:46
  and it is,
• 17:47
  I'm not mocking the tragedy.
• 17:48
  No,
• 17:49
  no,
• 17:49
  I'm just usually places don't look that good for a
• 17:51
  while after and you don't want to think about it.
• 17:53
  I will say it's been multiple decades.
• 17:55
  I did just interview,
• 17:56
  uh,
• 17:56
  the,
• 17:56
  uh,
• 17:57
  director of the new documentary on Oklahoma City.
• 17:59
  It's on Netflix,
• 18:01
  um,
• 18:01
  worth your time if you,
• 18:02
  if you,
• 18:02
  if,
• 18:02
  uh,
• 18:02
  if you're interested in it,
• 18:03
  but,
• 18:03
  um.
• 18:04
  Uh,
• 18:04
  I will say I didn't,
• 18:06
  I,
• 18:06
  I don't think you,
• 18:07
  you have to give the disclaimer of the tragedy now.
• 18:09
  It's been 30,
• 18:10
  30+ years.
• 18:11
  Yeah,
• 18:11
  it's been a long time.
• 18:12
  They,
• 18:13
  they,
• 18:13
  they've cracked the case.
• 18:14
  They have.
• 18:14
  They cracked,
• 18:15
  they nailed it.
• 18:15
  They nailed it.
• 18:16
  It's like there's a whole thing there.
• 18:17
  I was gonna go there for our show because I'm trying to do these
• 18:20
  things where I go around the country and just look at different areas.
• 18:22
  The first one I did was,
• 18:23
  uh,
• 18:25
  Dealey Plaza here.
• 18:26
  Yeah,
• 18:27
  but it's like,
• 18:27
  it's kind of,
• 18:28
  it's harder to find humor in the Oklahoma City one.
• 18:30
  No,
• 18:31
  no,
• 18:31
  I don't know if there's humor there.
• 18:32
  That's what I mean.
• 18:33
  There's none there.
• 18:33
  Or like to just make a little,
• 18:35
  like
• 18:36
  Waco,
• 18:36
  you can find some.
• 18:37
  Waco,
• 18:38
  you could still do it because there's certainly you can do it in,
• 18:40
  in,
• 18:40
  in,
• 18:40
  in Dealey Plaza.
• 18:41
  Yeah,
• 18:42
  there was,
• 18:42
  there was ways,
• 18:43
  yeah.
• 18:43
  Yeah.
• 18:43
  It's just the fact that the X's are so inappropriately,
• 18:47
  like it's just,
• 18:47
  I was shocked when I saw spray paint,
• 18:49
  and they're not even straight X's.
• 18:51
  Really?
• 18:51
  Yeah.
• 18:52
  Well,
• 18:52
  because they keep removing them,
• 18:53
  I think.
• 18:54
  Is that what it is?
• 18:54
  Yeah,
• 18:54
  so I,
• 18:55
  I,
• 18:55
  the first time I came to,
• 18:56
  uh,
• 18:57
  to,
• 18:57
  to Dallas,
• 18:58
  I was like,
• 18:58
  you know,
• 18:58
  I,
• 18:58
  at some point I need to go to Dealey Plaza and see what it's like.
• 19:01
  And you're driving down there and you see it.
• 19:02
  And of course you have those,
• 19:04
  you know,
• 19:04
  memories from the news footage and,
• 19:06
  you know,
• 19:06
  JFK the movie and all that.
• 19:08
  And then you see the X's in your street,
• 19:09
  and like,
• 19:09
  did they really put X's in the street where this guy got shot?
• 19:13
  Like it's so bizarre.
• 19:14
  It'd be weird if they did it the night before.
• 19:16
  Yeah,
• 19:17
  that,
• 19:17
  that would be really weird to go this way.
• 19:19
  Um,
• 19:19
  but,
• 19:19
  uh,
• 19:20
  they,
• 19:20
  I guess they remove them all the time
• 19:22
  and then people come out and repaint them.
• 19:23
  That would make sense.
• 19:24
  See,
• 19:25
  my brother and I did it.
• 19:26
  My brother's very big into history and JFK.
• 19:28
  So to have Him in the car,
• 19:30
  we,
• 19:30
  we rented a car with a guy who gave us a tour in basically a replica
• 19:35
  minus one row of Kennedy's limo.
• 19:37
  So the dude's all conspiracy,
• 19:38
  and I,
• 19:39
  I mean,
• 19:39
  I believe him.
• 19:40
  He's showing us where Jack Ruby's club was
• 19:42
  across from like the most prestigious hotel.
• 19:44
  Like
• 19:44
  it's a very cool tour,
• 19:46
  but if you're just kind of a tourist,
• 19:48
  you probably don't want this guy telling you
• 19:50
  about what really happened the entire time.
• 19:53
  Yeah,
• 19:53
  I loved him.
• 19:53
  You loved it.
• 19:54
  Oh yeah,
• 19:55
  yeah,
• 19:55
  it's a little bit of a different tour,
• 19:56
  but oh yeah,
• 19:57
  because like.
• 19:57
  That window,
• 19:58
  Oswald wasn't in it.
• 19:59
  And I'm like,
• 19:59
  this is gonna upset some people.
• 20:01
  Did you go,
• 20:02
  have you been up to,
• 20:03
  uh,
• 20:03
  the,
• 20:04
  the Book Depository?
• 20:05
  Did you do the tour?
• 20:05
  I did that day,
• 20:06
  yeah.
• 20:06
  I,
• 20:07
  um,
• 20:08
  it's pretty interesting.
• 20:09
  First of all,
• 20:09
  uh,
• 20:09
  like going up there and because you can stand,
• 20:12
  I think,
• 20:12
  what is it,
• 20:12
  2 windows away from where he actually took the shot,
• 20:16
  if you believe
• 20:17
  the authorities for 100 bucks they give you paintballs to see if you can actually do.
• 20:22
  They really,
• 20:22
  no,
• 20:23
  no,
• 20:23
  please don't,
• 20:24
  because I,
• 20:24
  that was not there when I.
• 20:25
  I was there.
• 20:25
  I was like that would be a you would do it,
• 20:27
  right?
• 20:27
  I would totally try it.
• 20:29
  I mean,
• 20:29
  again,
• 20:30
  not because
• 20:31
  I,
• 20:31
  I don't think,
• 20:32
  again,
• 20:32
  it's now been what,
• 20:32
  60 years,
• 20:33
  so I don't need any disclaimers on this,
• 20:34
  but
• 20:35
  I,
• 20:36
  I was the,
• 20:37
  the thought that came into my head,
• 20:38
  I have to admit,
• 20:39
  was,
• 20:39
  could I have done that?
• 20:41
  Is it,
• 20:41
  is it plausible to believe that some guy could just do that?
• 20:44
  Now,
• 20:44
  of course he wasn't just some guy,
• 20:45
  he had
• 20:46
  a lot of training.
• 20:47
  I don't think I would come close.
• 20:49
  I'm sure I would miss,
• 20:50
  um,
• 20:51
  because I've been to the range and I don't do very well.
• 20:53
  Um,
• 20:54
  but,
• 20:54
  uh,
• 20:55
  I,
• 20:56
  you know,
• 20:56
  from what I hear from people who can shoot who do this,
• 20:59
  they say that is a very makeable shot.
• 21:02
  They do say it like standing there though and looking at how small
• 21:05
  it is and looking at where like the other sounds came from.
• 21:08
  There's like a perfect triangle just in case somebody misses.
• 21:13
  That's why I think there was more to it.
• 21:14
  And also he got shot twice,
• 21:16
  then the limo sped up.
• 21:19
  So that's odd.
• 21:19
  So the first one you were like,
• 21:20
  I'll just,
• 21:21
  I'll just go the same speed,
• 21:23
  right?
• 21:23
  Well,
• 21:23
  the second one you were like,
• 21:24
  maybe now we should go.
• 21:26
  I feel like there's a whole documentary,
• 21:27
  uh,
• 21:28
  in,
• 21:28
  in,
• 21:28
  in the works here.
• 21:29
  There is,
• 21:30
  there's some of it on there,
• 21:30
  yeah.
• 21:31
  There's about a 10 minute one we put together and,
• 21:34
  uh,
• 21:34
  maybe about 20 minutes in,
• 21:36
  yeah.
• 21:36
  Well,
• 21:36
  my dad was huge into JFK,
• 21:38
  so he would take us,
• 21:39
  which was fun when you're 8,
• 21:40
  you're like,
• 21:41
  what movie are we seeing?
• 21:41
  We're like,
• 21:42
  JFK,
• 21:43
  Oliver Stone's JFK.
• 21:45
  What a way to start a childhood.
• 21:47
  And your childhood worked out so well too.
• 21:49
  It did.
• 21:50
  I mean,
• 21:51
  nothing went awry.
• 21:52
  Yeah,
• 21:52
  nothing at all.
• 21:53
  I mean,
• 21:53
  I've read your book and everything went swimmingly from very perfectly.
• 21:58
  No road bumps.
• 21:59
  Check it out in my book.
• 22:00
  Party of one.
• 22:01
  Party of one.
• 22:01
  Get it now.
• 22:02
  Um,
• 22:03
  another person with a relatively interesting life,
• 22:07
  Hunter Biden.
• 22:08
  Uh,
• 22:09
  he,
• 22:09
  he was interviewed for
• 22:11
  3 hours,
• 22:12
  um,
• 22:12
  by a guy.
• 22:13
  Do you know the guy he was interviewed by?
• 22:15
  Do you know him?
• 22:15
  Are you aware of him?
• 22:16
  I'm not aware of him,
• 22:16
  but I saw the interview.
• 22:18
  Saw the interview,
• 22:18
  kind of
• 22:19
  dressed very in a goofy fashion.
• 22:21
  I don't know.
• 22:22
  Oh yeah.
• 22:22
  He was wearing like a,
• 22:23
  he looked like an Inspector Clouseau in the winter.
• 22:26
  It was,
• 22:26
  he had like a beret,
• 22:27
  and it was weird.
• 22:28
  Very strange.
• 22:29
  Apparently he is,
• 22:30
  he had a,
• 22:30
  had a history of
• 22:32
  doing the,
• 22:33
  uh,
• 22:33
  you know,
• 22:34
  he would go out in the street.
• 22:35
  Talk to like random people
• 22:36
  at like January 6th or like uh um uh
• 22:40
  someone said another one was a Juggalo convention.
• 22:43
  Oh,
• 22:43
  the gathering.
• 22:44
  Yeah,
• 22:44
  yeah,
• 22:45
  yeah.
• 22:45
  Oh,
• 22:45
  I didn't,
• 22:46
  are you?
• 22:47
  I'm not a Juggalo,
• 22:48
  but I'm not,
• 22:48
  I don't hate them.
• 22:49
  OK,
• 22:49
  there you go.
• 22:49
  Alright,
• 22:50
  um,
• 22:50
  so they,
• 22:51
  I've met Violent Jay.
• 22:53
  Yeah,
• 22:53
  OK,
• 22:54
  so alright,
• 22:54
  you know,
• 22:55
  um,
• 22:55
  but he would go do those things and talk to these people and
• 22:57
  let them go and have the kind of like the quirky documentary.
• 22:59
  Louis Thoreau is another guy who does stuff like that,
• 23:01
  um.
• 23:02
  Uh,
• 23:02
  and then he had a big me too
• 23:04
  allegation and apparently has disappeared until this interview.
• 23:06
  So I,
• 23:07
  I guess this is how they maybe came together.
• 23:09
  Yeah,
• 23:09
  they probably met on a chat board.
• 23:11
  They're probably both trying to get the same girl
• 23:14
  or both,
• 23:15
  both pretending to be one,
• 23:16
  and they met in the park and they were like,
• 23:18
  oh,
• 23:18
  you're not a 14 year old girl,
• 23:19
  but we can do an interview.
• 23:21
  We have so much in common now we might as well
• 23:23
  acknowledge.
• 23:24
  Um,
• 23:24
  so I,
• 23:25
  did you watch this interview at all?
• 23:26
  Did you watch a good chunk of it?
• 23:27
  I did,
• 23:28
  I did.
• 23:28
  Um,
• 23:28
  it was interesting because
• 23:30
  the clips that came out,
• 23:31
  we played a bunch of them yesterday,
• 23:32
  were like him looking completely insane and like he had maybe just had a crack rock.
• 23:37
  Moments before.
• 23:38
  The interview itself,
• 23:40
  when I watched it in context,
• 23:41
  and it was very long,
• 23:42
  was
• 23:43
  not really all like that.
• 23:44
  In fact,
• 23:44
  it was almost all about recovery and all the stuff that he's gone through.
• 23:48
  I guess they've both gone through,
• 23:50
  uh,
• 23:50
  some sort of recovery.
• 23:52
  When you were watching it,
• 23:53
  what were your impressions?
• 23:54
  Um,
• 23:55
  my favorite part was how he actually tells everyone how to make crack.
• 24:00
  And then he goes,
• 24:01
  look,
• 24:01
  I don't wanna,
• 24:01
  I don't wanna tell people,
• 24:02
  you know,
• 24:03
  like they,
• 24:03
  how to,
• 24:03
  how to do it,
• 24:04
  but if you just go to the store and you get this,
• 24:06
  you grab a pan,
• 24:07
  you can suck it through a straw.
• 24:08
  Free basing isn't quite there.
• 24:09
  I mean,
• 24:09
  it feels almost the same,
• 24:11
  but you're smoking.
• 24:12
  Like he goes right,
• 24:13
  he gives you the recipe
• 24:14
  like Master P did on Ghetto D in the 90s.
• 24:17
  Like it's just the recipe of how to make crack casually,
• 24:21
  ill advised,
• 24:22
  I would say.
• 24:22
  And he's real angry about George Clooney,
• 24:24
  but then you bring up his hobby,
• 24:26
  which is Crack.
• 24:27
  And he's like very calm,
• 24:28
  like,
• 24:29
  oh yeah,
• 24:29
  we can talk about,
• 24:31
  I love crack.
• 24:32
  Right.
• 24:32
  You know.
• 24:33
  It was,
• 24:33
  it was a,
• 24:33
  I would say,
• 24:34
  a,
• 24:35
  a 3.5 star review of crack.
• 24:37
  It wasn't a 5 star.
• 24:38
  He said there were some issues,
• 24:39
  but he overall thought the experience was pretty positive.
• 24:42
  He seemed to enjoy it for a long time.
• 24:43
  He felt cocaine was more gentlemanly.
• 24:46
  And,
• 24:46
  uh,
• 24:47
  that,
• 24:47
  you know,
• 24:48
  he,
• 24:48
  but he said if you really do just want a freebase or,
• 24:50
  or could do crack,
• 24:51
  this is how you do.
• 24:53
  But then he's going after George Clooney and I,
• 24:55
  I'll be honest,
• 24:56
  the whole tirade,
• 24:57
  I was like,
• 24:58
  I would vote for him.
• 25:00
  Yeah,
• 25:00
  I'm not,
• 25:01
  I'm not,
• 25:01
  we already know his past.
• 25:03
  We don't have to worry about an Epstein list.
• 25:05
  We know he's garbage.
• 25:07
  I would rather have someone in office where I go,
• 25:09
  oh,
• 25:10
  he's complete trash.
• 25:10
  Trash,
• 25:11
  but I know he's complete trash.
• 25:13
  Like,
• 25:13
  could Hunter do something that surprised you?
• 25:15
  No,
• 25:16
  you would never have to follow the news.
• 25:18
  You just,
• 25:18
  whenever there was a new scandal,
• 25:19
  you could completely safely ignore it because you could just know it was true.
• 25:22
  Right?
• 25:22
  And you'd be like,
• 25:23
  well,
• 25:23
  was he with,
• 25:24
  uh,
• 25:24
  drug,
• 25:25
  was it drugs or prostitutes?
• 25:26
  Because he legalized those his first day.
• 25:29
  So like you,
• 25:30
  you know the agenda.
• 25:31
  Right.
• 25:31
  That's,
• 25:32
  that's definitely day one.
• 25:34
  there was something interesting you said and I,
• 25:35
  I wanted to get your thoughts on,
• 25:36
  because,
• 25:36
  you know,
• 25:37
  you've gone through a recovery yourself.
• 25:39
  He at one point was talking about crack,
• 25:41
  and he,
• 25:43
  uh,
• 25:43
  started,
• 25:44
  they were they were asking him basically like,
• 25:46
  was it awesome?
• 25:48
  And you know,
• 25:48
  it's,
• 25:49
  it's a very,
• 25:50
  um,
• 25:50
  now this guy who he was,
• 25:51
  was asking him has had his own substance problems,
• 25:54
  but like it's a very much a question I would ask,
• 25:56
  because I've,
• 25:56
  I've never smoked crack,
• 25:57
  I have to admit.
• 25:58
  Um,
• 25:59
  and if I met someone who had smoked crack,
• 26:00
  hi,
• 26:01
  I,
• 26:01
  I,
• 26:02
  there you go,
• 26:02
  OK.
• 26:06
  That's never happened to me.
• 26:08
  It's never happened to me before.
• 26:09
  If I met someone who did this,
• 26:10
  hi,
• 26:11
  um,
• 26:12
  16 years in recovery for the people listening.
• 26:14
  That's true.
• 26:15
  You've had,
• 26:15
  you've had some time,
• 26:16
  and it was accidental.
• 26:18
  An accidental crack user.
• 26:20
  A guy put crack into our joint.
• 26:23
  And I hit it and I thought,
• 26:24
  my goodness,
• 26:25
  this is the best weed I've ever seen.
• 26:29
  So did he,
• 26:30
  he did it intentionally.
• 26:31
  He did it intentionally,
• 26:32
  but he,
• 26:32
  he for some reason let me take the first hit when I lit it
• 26:36
  instead of saying,
• 26:36
  hey,
• 26:36
  by the way,
• 26:37
  they put crack in it.
• 26:39
  So after it like sizzled and stuff,
• 26:40
  my buddy goes,
• 26:41
  What's that smell?
• 26:41
  And he goes,
• 26:42
  they gave us free crack.
• 26:44
  And it's like nobody gives you free crack.
• 26:46
  It's because you're gonna come back and get more.
• 26:48
  It's just a sample.
• 26:49
  So then they took the rest of the joint and threw it into the sewer.
• 26:53
  My friends made them,
• 26:54
  which didn't change my outcome
• 26:56
  because you had already done the crack.
• 26:57
  I was still high on crack,
• 26:59
  right?
• 27:00
  And so
• 27:01
  got you really high,
• 27:01
  I would assume.
• 27:02
  Yeah,
• 27:02
  it was great.
• 27:03
  I mean,
• 27:04
  I don't,
• 27:04
  I mean for the kids.
• 27:05
  At home,
• 27:05
  it's awful.
• 27:06
  But no,
• 27:06
  it's great.
• 27:07
  It's great.
• 27:07
  I totally understood the appeal.
• 27:10
  So we're now fact checking Hunter Biden live on the show.
• 27:13
  Crack is great.
• 27:14
  It's fantastic.
• 27:15
  Yeah,
• 27:15
  it's why so many people did it.
• 27:17
  A lot of people did.
• 27:18
  Um,
• 27:19
  I had a question.
• 27:20
  Oh yeah,
• 27:21
  sorry,
• 27:21
  it threw me a little bit,
• 27:24
  um,
• 27:24
  but
• 27:25
  he
• 27:26
  described.
• 27:28
  What a moment.
• 27:29
  What a moment.
• 27:30
  He described
• 27:32
  not wanting to have a euphoric
• 27:35
  conversation about it.
• 27:36
  And,
• 27:37
  it seemed like what he was saying is,
• 27:39
  I remind myself how great crack was.
• 27:42
  Is that,
• 27:43
  is that something that you would worry about
• 27:44
  like when you're talking about these things?
• 27:46
  Yeah,
• 27:46
  I mean,
• 27:47
  acid's fine because there's.
• 27:48
  Still plenty of that left in here I think.
• 27:51
  If I look at a,
• 27:52
  if I look at a rug too long,
• 27:53
  it starts moving like a river.
• 27:54
  I wish that was a joke.
• 27:55
  It's called HPPD.
• 27:57
  Yeah,
• 27:57
  it's the after effects of LSD and,
• 27:59
  uh,
• 28:00
  I did a lot,
• 28:01
  so you know,
• 28:01
  at least I'm still getting my money's worth.
• 28:04
  But,
• 28:04
  um,
• 28:05
  as,
• 28:06
  as far as that,
• 28:07
  uh,
• 28:07
  yeah,
• 28:07
  like when you think back to even when I wrote in my book,
• 28:10
  like the first time I tried alcohol and I got the sensation where it
• 28:13
  was a relief and all my problems went away and I felt good.
• 28:16
  Yeah,
• 28:17
  like,
• 28:17
  even right now talking about it,
• 28:18
  I'm like,
• 28:19
  oh yeah,
• 28:19
  it did help,
• 28:20
  you know,
• 28:20
  there,
• 28:21
  there are all those things in your life that you use to kind of,
• 28:24
  uh,
• 28:25
  eliminate pain
• 28:26
  or numb your pain,
• 28:27
  so you do have a euphoric feeling that you can be reminded of
• 28:30
  of how good it was because especially when you're in a in recovery.
• 28:34
  You go so long without doing something,
• 28:36
  the,
• 28:36
  the reason people relapse is they forget how bad it was
• 28:39
  and then you kind of go right back to where you left off
• 28:42
  is why it gets so bad because it always ends up terrible.
• 28:45
  I mean,
• 28:45
  if I looked at everything that I did.
• 28:47
  Bad that I did drinking.
• 28:49
  I don't think I could handle.
• 28:51
  I don't think I could handle walking through the world.
• 28:53
  I mean,
• 28:53
  it's that it's,
• 28:54
  it's soul crushing.
• 28:55
  You have to let it go.
• 28:56
  Yeah,
• 28:56
  you have to let it go,
• 28:57
  but there is the part of you where
• 28:59
  you can't lie and go,
• 29:00
  look,
• 29:00
  every time I did drugs it was terrible.
• 29:03
  The truth is,
• 29:03
  is like
• 29:04
  it was fun a lot of the time,
• 29:06
  especially toward the beginning I would the beginning it was a blast,
• 29:09
  but eventually you do lose that control,
• 29:10
  and I think if he does get into that being a.
• 29:13
  Severe as he was,
• 29:13
  he'll want to use again.
• 29:16
  If he wasn't in that interview.
• 29:17
  He may have just wanted to use more.
• 29:19
  Yes.
• 29:20
  Can we take a quick break?
• 29:21
  Um,
• 29:22
  he,
• 29:23
  uh,
• 29:25
  also said crack does not change your behavior.
• 29:27
  That's hilarious.
• 29:29
  Can we fact check that one?
• 29:30
  Of course.
• 29:31
  So,
• 29:32
  let me get this straight.
• 29:32
  Let's say you're just,
• 29:33
  you're,
• 29:35
  you're doing sexual favors you wouldn't have done before.
• 29:39
  That kind of maybe they,
• 29:40
  they'd say that's not you.
• 29:42
  Uh,
• 29:42
  you're going to your parents' house and stealing everything they have.
• 29:45
  Um,
• 29:46
  no,
• 29:46
  I would say crack absolutely 100% changes your personality and behavior,
• 29:52
  especially when you're in any throes of addiction.
• 29:54
  You can't be like,
• 29:55
  oh yeah,
• 29:55
  I stole cars and I was pawning everything that I took from houses,
• 29:59
  but I was still the same old me.
• 30:02
  It's like,
• 30:02
  no,
• 30:03
  no,
• 30:03
  well,
• 30:03
  well,
• 30:03
  people say that about alcohol,
• 30:04
  right?
• 30:05
  Like it's not creating a new person.
• 30:07
  It's like you're losing your inhibitions.
• 30:09
  You might be going out and doing more,
• 30:11
  uh,
• 30:11
  that you wouldn't,
• 30:12
  you wouldn't,
• 30:12
  maybe you'd talk more,
• 30:13
  you'd joke more.
• 30:14
  If you're a happy person,
• 30:15
  maybe you're a happy drunk.
• 30:16
  If you're an angry person,
• 30:17
  maybe you're an angry drunk,
• 30:18
  and it's almost like
• 30:19
  accentuating it.
• 30:20
  Is that what he was going for?
• 30:21
  Like,
• 30:22
  does crack accentuate your normal characteristics?
• 30:24
  I think it's beyond that just because it's.
• 30:26
  Such a gripping addiction to where you know your
• 30:30
  your brain changes so you need the chemical.
• 30:33
  Does that make sense?
• 30:34
  It's like telling you not to breathe
• 30:36
  so it becomes something that you only think about constantly with alcohol
• 30:39
  it's more social and obtainable
• 30:42
  and it really it just takes a filter away.
• 30:44
  So if you're a comic like me,
• 30:46
  I hurt people's feelings because now I don't have that filter
• 30:50
  and then.
• 30:51
  If you're
• 30:52
  other people,
• 30:52
  maybe you're a little bit closer to that,
• 30:54
  but
• 30:55
  nobody wants to be the version of how drunk you can possibly get.
• 30:58
  They just want to be a little loose.
• 31:00
  And if we're looking at it honestly,
• 31:02
  that's maybe the first hour or two of anybody when you're drinking.
• 31:05
  Yes,
• 31:05
  and then it gets,
• 31:06
  it gets worse from there.
• 31:07
  You just don't feel great,
• 31:08
  you know.
• 31:08
  And then by the next morning you're like this whole thing was a mistake,
• 31:11
  right?
• 31:11
  But yeah,
• 31:12
  why you try crack because it's just so much an upper.
• 31:14
  So that's why.
• 31:16
  Coke though,
• 31:17
  because you were for a long time.
• 31:19
  So you're just evening out the effects of the alcohol.
• 31:21
  Well,
• 31:21
  I wanted to stay up to,
• 31:22
  yeah,
• 31:23
  to drink.
• 31:24
  So if I did coke,
• 31:25
  I could stay up and hang out with everybody
• 31:27
  and then that way I could keep my new fun
• 31:29
  personality at a nice even keel the entire evening.
• 31:32
  Dave Landau,
• 31:33
  crack user,
• 31:34
  problem solver,
• 31:35
  problem solver.
• 31:36
  Both 16 years though.
• 31:37
  1616 years.
• 31:38
  I have not done coke in 16 years.
• 31:41
  So you've been sober for 16 years.
• 31:43
  You've not done coke for 16.
• 31:45
  Well,
• 31:45
  coke about 18,
• 31:46
  a little bit longer,
• 31:47
  yeah.
• 31:47
  So you kind of
• 31:49
  trickled down.
• 31:50
  Yeah,
• 31:50
  no,
• 31:50
  I just trickled down to just binge drinking.
• 31:53
  Just binge drinking,
• 31:53
  no,
• 31:54
  no big deal.
• 31:54
  Alright,
• 31:54
  I wanna come back.
• 31:55
  By the way,
• 31:55
  I want to talk a little bit more about binge drinking in just a moment.
• 31:58
  Dave Landau from Normal World is here with us.
• 32:00
  We're back in a second.
• 32:08
  We're back with former crack user Dave Landau.
• 32:11
  Uh,
• 32:11
  Dave.
• 32:12
  That's how I'm introducing you every time.
• 32:14
  I should just go.
• 32:15
  It should just be underneath my,
• 32:17
  my lower third everywhere I go.
• 32:19
  Tried crack on accident,
• 32:21
  didn't hate it.
• 32:24
  Well,
• 32:24
  that's the thing,
• 32:24
  you did it the right way.
• 32:26
  You tried it that one time and then you didn't do it anymore.
• 32:29
  You got that,
• 32:29
  you didn't have that terrible collapse.
• 32:31
  By the way,
• 32:32
  I'm not giving you medical advice.
• 32:33
  There's lots of people who try that one time and have a really bad experience.
• 32:36
  No,
• 32:36
  they do,
• 32:37
  and
• 32:38
  believe me,
• 32:38
  right away you're like,
• 32:39
  we should get more,
• 32:40
  but fortunately we didn't.
• 32:41
  Thank God.
• 32:42
  Um,
• 32:43
  one of the things that uh Hunter Biden said to expand a little bit on that,
• 32:46
  is,
• 32:47
  uh,
• 32:47
  that alcohol was worse than all of them.
• 32:49
  He said alcohol was the worst drug.
• 32:51
  Now,
• 32:52
  You know,
• 32:52
  they threw a graph up on the screen of how
• 32:54
  many people die from alcohol as opposed to crack.
• 32:56
  I would even,
• 32:57
  I would literally have no idea how to start to go get crack today.
• 33:01
  Alcohol,
• 33:01
  I could be at 7-Eleven in 30 seconds.
• 33:04
  Um,
• 33:04
  oh,
• 33:04
  I could drive you 4 blocks from here and point out where to get crack.
• 33:09
  We don't,
• 33:09
  we,
• 33:09
  we're not in the best area.
• 33:11
  I'm just saying.
• 33:12
  Uh,
• 33:12
  it depends where you border.
• 33:14
  I mean,
• 33:14
  it's not gonna be crack probably,
• 33:16
  but you know,
• 33:16
  it's,
• 33:16
  it's gonna be something.
• 33:17
  Yeah,
• 33:17
  it's gonna be something.
• 33:18
  Um,
• 33:19
  uh,
• 33:19
  uh,
• 33:19
  is,
• 33:20
  is that,
• 33:20
  you agree with that,
• 33:21
  alcohol is worse than,
• 33:23
  I mean,
• 33:23
  it's just so much more available,
• 33:24
  obviously.
• 33:25
  It's gonna kill more people,
• 33:26
  but no,
• 33:26
  I don't think it's worse.
• 33:27
  No,
• 33:28
  I think no.
• 33:29
  I mean,
• 33:29
  if you look at Chris Rock playing Pooky in New Jack City,
• 33:32
  smoking crack in front of the flag
• 33:34
  where he weighs 8 pounds,
• 33:36
  no,
• 33:36
  I promise that,
• 33:37
  no,
• 33:37
  alcohol is not worse.
• 33:38
  Alcohol is just more common.
• 33:40
  I mean,
• 33:41
  alcohol
• 33:42
  prohibition was what,
• 33:43
  1920,
• 33:44
  1933,
• 33:45
  and like 3 years prior,
• 33:46
  it started in Detroit.
• 33:48
  I think,
• 33:48
  uh,
• 33:48
  the biggest bloodbaths were just fighting over who got
• 33:51
  the alcohol coming over from candidates when you outlaw anything
• 33:55
  you cause these cartels and mobs and like that sort of a thing.
• 33:58
  So
• 33:59
  the fact that it is socially acceptable is obviously going to
• 34:03
  make it,
• 34:03
  it just,
• 34:04
  it's gonna be more available and easier to use and not as scary,
• 34:08
  so it's gonna result in a lot more problems.
• 34:10
  But yeah,
• 34:10
  it is killing people.
• 34:11
  It is killing.
• 34:12
  I know I have a lot of friends who have died of cirrhosis at a young age.
• 34:15
  I have a lot of friends,
• 34:16
  yeah.
• 34:16
  And but I don't think it's worse than crack.
• 34:19
  I mean,
• 34:19
  that's a high bar to clear.
• 34:21
  No,
• 34:22
  it's a very high bar to clear.
• 34:23
  Well,
• 34:23
  and you're also,
• 34:24
  it's like saying it's worse than heroin and you're like,
• 34:26
  well,
• 34:26
  not,
• 34:27
  I mean,
• 34:27
  that's just,
• 34:27
  look,
• 34:28
  that's an opioid,
• 34:29
  which is like if you go to the hospital and you get your,
• 34:31
  you know,
• 34:32
  any sort of surgery,
• 34:33
  they used to give you a bunch
• 34:35
  and it was great
• 34:36
  and then.
• 34:38
  There's a,
• 34:38
  I've heard a minor problem that may have grown out of that.
• 34:41
  Oh,
• 34:41
  it did.
• 34:42
  Oh,
• 34:42
  I got,
• 34:42
  I got addicted to the Vicodin.
• 34:44
  Oh,
• 34:44
  that too.
• 34:45
  Yeah.
• 34:45
  Oh yeah.
• 34:46
  Well,
• 34:46
  it started with wisdom teeth,
• 34:47
  then I broke my legs,
• 34:48
  so I,
• 34:49
  I was on this endless amount of painkillers.
• 34:52
  So I just,
• 34:52
  I took them right up until I didn't need them.
• 34:55
  Now granted,
• 34:56
  I've been taking painkillers for a long time anyway,
• 34:59
  but at this point,
• 35:00
  once I hit the withdrawal of addiction of it,
• 35:02
  it's one of the worst feelings I've ever had.
• 35:04
  And I've also withdrawn from alcohol,
• 35:06
  and that's one of the worst feelings I've ever had.
• 35:09
  But I think for a society and the way that it makes people behave,
• 35:12
  no,
• 35:13
  it's not worse than alcohol.
• 35:14
  I feel like thinking of your life,
• 35:16
  you know,
• 35:17
  getting in a car accident where 3 of your limbs are cut off,
• 35:20
  you wouldn't put it in the category of one of the worst pains I've had in my life.
• 35:26
  No,
• 35:26
  you've had,
• 35:26
  you've been through a lot.
• 35:27
  I've been through a lot,
• 35:28
  a lot,
• 35:29
  a lot of accidents too.
• 35:30
  I didn't,
• 35:31
  I didn't cause,
• 35:31
  well,
• 35:32
  no,
• 35:32
  I caused a lot of them,
• 35:33
  but it,
• 35:33
  fortunately there wasn't another person.
• 35:35
  It was usually a,
• 35:36
  a tree or a median.
• 35:39
  At least that's,
• 35:40
  at least that was what your nickname was for them.
• 35:42
  No,
• 35:43
  I called a median.
• 35:44
  It's OK.
• 35:44
  Everything's OK.
• 35:45
  It was a tree.
• 35:46
  Um,
• 35:48
  somehow,
• 35:48
  uh,
• 35:48
  Ozzy Osbourne
• 35:50
  lived until this week after everything he did in his life,
• 35:53
  which is legitimately incredible.
• 35:55
  He had all sorts of substance problems as well.
• 35:58
  Uh,
• 35:59
  drinking
• 35:59
  maybe most famously.
• 36:01
  Um,
• 36:02
  you were a fan,
• 36:02
  right?
• 36:03
  Oh,
• 36:03
  a huge fan.
• 36:04
  Ozzy,
• 36:04
  uh,
• 36:04
  said the hardest thing for him to quit was cigarettes,
• 36:07
  which I can actually sympathize with.
• 36:09
  But I mean,
• 36:10
  I,
• 36:10
  I haven't smoked since 2012,
• 36:11
  but it is difficult.
• 36:13
  Was there anything you didn't do?
• 36:14
  No.
• 36:17
  Meth.
• 36:17
  Meth.
• 36:18
  I've never done meth.
• 36:19
  Is that just because it was too early.
• 36:20
  It's too,
• 36:21
  it wasn't trendy yet.
• 36:22
  It wasn't trendy yet.
• 36:23
  I mean,
• 36:23
  there's a chance it was in the ecstasy I was taking,
• 36:26
  so I may have done fair,
• 36:27
  but
• 36:28
  I've never purposely done meth.
• 36:30
  So I can say that.
• 36:31
  Do you ever look at the camera,
• 36:32
  I've never done meth.
• 36:34
  Um,
• 36:35
  but no,
• 36:35
  I've done the rest though.
• 36:37
  And yeah,
• 36:38
  yeah,
• 36:38
  we're learning.
• 36:39
  We're learning more every day,
• 36:40
  which is why,
• 36:41
  yeah,
• 36:41
  I love Ozzy.
• 36:42
  Ozzy though,
• 36:42
  I do like people considered him like.
• 36:45
  That he like loved Satan and all that's completely untrue.
• 36:48
  He was a,
• 36:48
  he was a Christian and,
• 36:49
  uh,
• 36:50
  yeah,
• 36:50
  it was,
• 36:51
  was that an act basically?
• 36:52
  Like yeah,
• 36:52
  it was a biggie.
• 36:53
  I mean,
• 36:54
  at one point in his life he was,
• 36:55
  you know,
• 36:55
  peeing on the Alamo.
• 36:56
  He ate a bat's,
• 36:57
  he bit off a bat's head on stage.
• 36:59
  I've heard that.
• 36:59
  Is that actually true?
• 37:00
  It is,
• 37:00
  but it wasn't,
• 37:01
  he thought it was fake.
• 37:02
  Like somebody threw it on the stage and he picked it up and bit it,
• 37:05
  and then it turned out it was just a real bat,
• 37:08
  uh,
• 37:08
  which is,
• 37:09
  you know,
• 37:09
  a bat or a live bat.
• 37:10
  Uh,
• 37:11
  I believe it was alive or kind of alive.
• 37:14
  Not,
• 37:14
  not for long.
• 37:15
  No,
• 37:15
  no,
• 37:15
  it,
• 37:15
  it was,
• 37:16
  its head was eaten in front of an audience,
• 37:18
  which had to be pretty cool.
• 37:20
  I,
• 37:20
  I,
• 37:21
  it,
• 37:21
  it,
• 37:22
  by some estimates,
• 37:24
  your mileage may vary on that one.
• 37:25
  Yes.
• 37:26
  um,
• 37:26
  but he was,
• 37:27
  uh,
• 37:27
  yeah,
• 37:27
  massive,
• 37:28
  massive drug addict.
• 37:29
  Uh,
• 37:29
  he,
• 37:30
  I know he had issues with drinking throughout his entire life.
• 37:33
  But I mean,
• 37:34
  he,
• 37:34
  look at all the perfect albums he put out.
• 37:37
  Paranoid with Black Sabbath is a perfect album.
• 37:39
  I was really happy that the last song he ever sang was Para.
• 37:42
  Paranoid
• 37:43
  before he,
• 37:43
  which was just a couple of weeks ago because he did like a special,
• 37:46
  like,
• 37:47
  you know,
• 37:47
  almost like last concert.
• 37:49
  It was a,
• 37:49
  he did a farewell tour and for a guy with Parkinson's and that amount of drug abuse,
• 37:54
  he could still kind of sing,
• 37:55
  and he said he couldn't before he did,
• 37:57
  but he still hit stuff that you'd be surprised.
• 38:00
  Like impressive.
• 38:00
  He could sing,
• 38:01
  even when he couldn't talk 20 years ago on his show,
• 38:04
  he could still sing every word,
• 38:06
  you know,
• 38:06
  it was just a muscle reflex.
• 38:08
  Well,
• 38:08
  it was an interesting part of his life in that he.
• 38:11
  I had like a,
• 38:12
  you know,
• 38:12
  obviously a his uh historic rock career and he went through all those problems,
• 38:16
  but like,
• 38:17
  you know,
• 38:17
  that the show
• 38:19
  in a way like showed him in a totally different light.
• 38:21
  It showed him as like a,
• 38:22
  uh,
• 38:22
  even though he had all sorts of problems,
• 38:23
  he was just swearing at his kids all the time and everybody else.
• 38:26
  He,
• 38:26
  he was kind of like that,
• 38:28
  it was seen as like a good dad and like he had a good relationship with his family.
• 38:31
  Uh,
• 38:32
  in a way,
• 38:33
  with all of his problems,
• 38:34
  we're trying to give you a little hope here.
• 38:35
  He turned it around.
• 38:36
  He was able to turn his life into something.
• 38:37
  He did.
• 38:38
  And if you look back,
• 38:39
  there's a great video.
• 38:40
  If you look up Ozzy Osbourne and orange juice,
• 38:43
  and it's from,
• 38:43
  and I do believe it's got to be a sketch,
• 38:45
  but he's talking about,
• 38:46
  he's like,
• 38:46
  yeah,
• 38:46
  we do social drugs and cocaine and there's this,
• 38:49
  and he opens some orange juice and he's pouring it,
• 38:51
  and instead of going in the glass,
• 38:52
  it just goes everywhere.
• 38:53
  Everywhere else but the glass and he closes it and then he's
• 38:55
  just drinking basically an empty glass while still taking the interview.
• 38:59
  It's so,
• 39:00
  I mean,
• 39:00
  he was aware of it.
• 39:01
  He was smarter than people gave him credit,
• 39:03
  but I mean he's an entertainer,
• 39:04
  yeah,
• 39:05
  but he snorted ants.
• 39:06
  Motley Crue was afraid of him.
• 39:08
  Like,
• 39:08
  you know,
• 39:09
  I mean,
• 39:09
  he,
• 39:09
  he was a different level of partier than I think most people,
• 39:13
  but
• 39:13
  I think there's also that level of.
• 39:15
  Genius where when you see him talk,
• 39:17
  it's easy to mock him.
• 39:18
  But when you do hear him sing and you,
• 39:20
  you,
• 39:20
  you hear the words that he wrote,
• 39:21
  he,
• 39:22
  he's an absolute master at what he did.
• 39:23
  And he,
• 39:24
  and he helped create heavy metal.
• 39:25
  Did you ever snort ants?
• 39:27
  Never once.
• 39:28
  Never once.
• 39:28
  I can honestly say,
• 39:29
  even by mistake.
• 39:30
  I did that,
• 39:30
  I don't know.
• 39:31
  You're right,
• 39:32
  they could have been chopped up and whatever else you were snorting.
• 39:35
  Um,
• 39:35
  I,
• 39:35
  one other thing I wanna hit quickly here,
• 39:37
  uh,
• 39:37
  I think we've done a good job over the past few
• 39:39
  years of like correcting a lot of these cancel culture moments,
• 39:42
  right?
• 39:43
  His wife had a cancel culture moment a few years ago that was completely ridiculous.
• 39:48
  Do you remember this?
• 39:49
  She was like
• 39:50
  talking off,
• 39:50
  uh,
• 39:51
  she,
• 39:51
  she was accused of saying something that was racist
• 39:55
  and like
• 39:56
  even her co-hosts who later accused her of racism
• 39:59
  were saying.
• 40:00
  To her off camera when they didn't know that
• 40:01
  the mics were on that we know this wasn't racist
• 40:05
  and like she kind of just got removed from society.
• 40:07
  It just seems like total BS.
• 40:08
  I just want to bring that up again.
• 40:09
  They pushed her out and people who didn't
• 40:12
  like Sharon because she had divorced Ozzy for,
• 40:14
  you know,
• 40:14
  he
• 40:15
  he'd hit her or something and
• 40:17
  But they loved each other.
• 40:19
  Yeah,
• 40:19
  yeah,
• 40:19
  they had a very complicated relationship.
• 40:21
  They did,
• 40:21
  and she loved him and he always defended her.
• 40:24
  So I think that,
• 40:25
  and that was something that was so deliberately done to just attack her
• 40:29
  and it shows how weak and spineless so many of these people,
• 40:33
  especially in media,
• 40:33
  are,
• 40:34
  because they'd rather jump on the train that
• 40:36
  makes them look good than defend their friend.
• 40:38
  And I think that's the lowest form of humanity.
• 40:41
  100% agree with you.
• 40:42
  Uh,
• 40:43
  that is,
• 40:43
  it's just the worst,
• 40:44
  the worst.
• 40:45
  Um,
• 40:45
  last question before you go,
• 40:46
  is there ever anything you wanted to snort but didn't?
• 40:50
  Meth.
• 40:51
  So,
• 40:51
  you did desire to,
• 40:53
  to snort meth.
• 40:54
  You just never got around to it.
• 40:55
  Well,
• 40:56
  once I heard about it,
• 40:57
  actually,
• 40:57
  then I saw a,
• 40:58
  a,
• 40:59
  a show called about American Undercover on HBO
• 41:02
  where it was a preacher who,
• 41:04
  who started doing a lot of ecstasy,
• 41:06
  and then he quit being a preacher and he made
• 41:08
  his kids do E and he was throwing apartment parties.
• 41:10
  It's really something.
• 41:11
  Um,
• 41:11
  but yeah,
• 41:12
  they did,
• 41:12
  uh,
• 41:13
  they did one on meth.
• 41:14
  And,
• 41:14
  uh,
• 41:15
  once I saw the effects of it,
• 41:16
  I was like,
• 41:17
  I don't want to do this
• 41:18
  ever.
• 41:19
  It doesn't have the glamour of some of the other drugs.
• 41:21
  No,
• 41:21
  it's like,
• 41:21
  oh,
• 41:21
  you pick your skin apart because you think there's bugs on them.
• 41:24
  Wow.
• 41:25
  And I pay for this.
• 41:27
  Pay for the opportunity.
• 41:29
  Oh,
• 41:29
  and you're up for 8 days straight.
• 41:31
  That sounds fun.
• 41:32
  Yeah,
• 41:33
  it does not sound like something I want to get involved in.
• 41:34
  All right,
• 41:35
  well,
• 41:35
  we'll work on getting you some meth for the next appearance.
• 41:37
  Please do.
• 41:38
  Or Adderall.
• 41:39
  Adderall,
• 41:39
  something.
• 41:39
  I've done Adderall,
• 41:40
  but I've never snorted it.
• 41:41
  Never snorted it.
• 41:42
  No,
• 41:43
  what?
• 41:43
  Maybe I have.
• 41:43
  I don't even know.
• 41:44
  Maybe that's for the second book.
• 41:45
  Yeah,
• 41:45
  you know,
• 41:46
  it's coming soon.
• 41:47
  Dave.
• 41:47
  Be sure to catch him.
• 41:48
  Uh,
• 41:48
  Normal World Blaze TV,
• 41:50
  of course,
• 41:50
  his new book,
• 41:51
  get a copy or two,
• 41:52
  Party of One.
• 41:53
  There's a lot of great stories,
• 41:54
  uh,
• 41:55
  in vivid detail,
• 41:56
  uh,
• 41:56
  you will love.
• 41:57
  Uh,
• 41:57
  it's available wherever you get your books.
• 41:58
  And again,
• 41:59
  if you're in Oklahoma City,
• 42:00
  catch Dave at the Bricktown Comedy Club.
• 42:02
  Uh,
• 42:03
  Bricktown is that area I was talking about.
• 42:04
  It's really,
• 42:04
  really cool.
• 42:05
  Yeah,
• 42:05
  it's really cool.
• 42:06
  Uh,
• 42:06
  lots of great places to eat,
• 42:08
  and,
• 42:08
  and it's a really fun time.
• 42:09
  Uh,
• 42:09
  Bricktown Comedy Club tomorrow,
• 42:11
  uh,
• 42:11
  through Saturday.
• 42:12
  Uh,
• 42:12
  get your tickets at Dave Landau.com.
• 42:14
  Dave,
• 42:14
  thanks so much.
• 42:15
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