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Drunk Socialite Rebecca Gross Heads Back to Court, Hit by Parents Civil Suit · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In the last days, a major update in the case
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Speaker 2: of a wealthy socialite Rebecca Grossman who mows down two
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Speaker 2: little boys wild drunk. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. That's right, the parents
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Speaker 2: of two little boys mowed down by a wealthy socialite
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Speaker 2: Rebecca Grossman make a major move in court. If you'll recall,
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Speaker 2: Rebecca Grossman, married with all sorts of high society connections,
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Speaker 2: is having a booze fell lunched with her boyfriend before
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Speaker 2: she mows down two little boys reportedly drag racing in
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Speaker 2: the street. In the last days, the parents filed a
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Speaker 2: multi million dollar lawsuit against Grossman.
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Speaker 1: What happened?
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Speaker 2: Two little boys dead, ages eight and eleven, while this
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Speaker 2: plastic surgeon's socialite.
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Speaker 1: Wife is drag racing.
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Speaker 2: On the open road after a boozy lunch with her lover.
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Speaker 2: Uh uh no, let me just take these words in
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Speaker 2: fitted together.
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Speaker 1: In one sentence.
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Speaker 2: A plastic surgeon, socialite wife mows down two little boys.
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Speaker 1: So many questions, Let's start it off. Listen.
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Speaker 3: Just after seven pm on a September evening, Jacob and
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Speaker 3: Mark Iskander, their siblings and parents, go for an evening
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Speaker 3: stroll to a nearby lake. The boys enjoy ruller bleeding
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Speaker 3: and skateboarding. The six member family is heading home, crossing
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Speaker 3: in a crosswalk at a three way intersection when mother
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Speaker 3: Nancy heard a speeding car barreling their way. The mom
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Speaker 3: says her husband and daughter were further away from the street.
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Speaker 3: She tries to signal to the two su heading their
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Speaker 3: way to slow down. She tried to pull the children back,
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Speaker 3: only managing to grab one of them, a five year old,
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Speaker 3: and dive out of the way. Jacob and Mark, who
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Speaker 3: are farther out in the crosswalk, are hit. Mark Iskinder
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Speaker 3: dies at the scene. Jacob dies later at the hospital.
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Speaker 3: According to police, Mark was thrown two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 3: four feet.
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Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty four feet.
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Speaker 2: I've got an all star panel joining me, but first
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Speaker 2: I want to go to private investigator. Former Federal Task
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Speaker 2: Force officer for the USDJ Department of Justice with the
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Speaker 2: DEA in the Miami Field Division. No lack of business
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Speaker 2: in Miami. Jade, former homicide investigator. You can find him
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Speaker 2: at Crispininvestigations dot com. Robert Crispin, have you ever first
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Speaker 2: of all two hundred and fifty four feet. A child
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Speaker 2: is thrown through the air two hundred and fifty four feet. Wait, okay,
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Speaker 2: now I'm a lawyer, I'm not a sports broadcaster. But
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Speaker 2: I was a cheerleader only because I didn't make the
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Speaker 2: basketball team. One girl got cut me, so I became
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Speaker 2: a cheerleader. Isn't a football field one hundred yards?
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Speaker 1: Okay? That's three hundred feet okay.
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Speaker 2: As you can tell by my stilted questions, they did
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Speaker 2: not teach me that in law school. So this child
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Speaker 2: is thrown nearly the length of a football field.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, not know.
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Speaker 5: Not uncommon for the pedestrian to be thrown a quite
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Speaker 5: of a distance. This particular case, if you look at
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Speaker 5: the crash impact on the Mercedes, it's pretty much a
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Speaker 5: dead center shit.
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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, I appreciate all of your knowledge, but that
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Speaker 2: was a yes no. This little child was thrown nearly
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Speaker 2: the length of a football field.
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Speaker 5: He was, and that's a long way.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Another quick question, This is a yes no too, Robert Crispin.
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Speaker 2: Before you, you know, lay all your knowledge on me.
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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, have you ever been out for a walk
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Speaker 2: or a jog, maybe with your family and somebody speaks
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Speaker 2: by and you try to say slow down or you
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Speaker 2: gesticulate towards them. Has that ever happened to you?
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Speaker 5: Of course, I think it's happened to everybody.
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Speaker 1: Okay, did they stop? Did they slow down? Not at all?
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Speaker 4: They're oblivion, not at all.
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Speaker 1: In fact, they speed off.
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Speaker 2: I tried to take the picture of a speeding car
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Speaker 2: the other day. That's sped by Lucy and me as
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Speaker 2: we were walking. As soon as I held my phone up,
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Speaker 2: it scratched off crispin. So the mom. Can you imagine,
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Speaker 2: There's all the children. Let's see, there's Mark eleven, Jacob eight,
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Speaker 2: the parents are there, Kaem and Nancy, the brother Zachary
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Speaker 2: who's just five, the husband. They're all out for an
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Speaker 2: e stroll at a lake I don't think too far
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Speaker 2: from their home. And this socialite married to a plastic surgeon,
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Speaker 2: just stinking of money, comes flying by and you can
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Speaker 2: hear the car first speeding, because I can hear it
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Speaker 2: when I'm with the.
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Speaker 1: Twins, I'm like, get off the roads, get over.
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Speaker 2: I hear a car coming, and sure enough, here it comes,
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Speaker 2: barreling down. The mom heard it first and immediately starts
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Speaker 2: trying to get everybody, and she couldn't get the two
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Speaker 2: little boys fast enough. You think I've got those facts right,
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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin.
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Speaker 5: Listen, your facts are right. And I've you know, with
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Speaker 5: my own son, when I'm out walking with him, he
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Speaker 5: gets so far away and someone comes speeding by. I
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Speaker 5: cannot imagine of how close she was to just potentially
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Speaker 5: grabbing them and pulling them back, and not being there
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Speaker 5: and watching that impact had to be horrific, horrific.
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Speaker 2: And you know, the other little brother, Zachary's five, He
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Speaker 2: remembers this crystal clear.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me get back to the facts. Listen.
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Speaker 6: Nancy Eskander tells police that two SUVs were speeding toward
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Speaker 6: her family and were quote zigzagging with each other as
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Speaker 6: if they were playing or racing. She says the drivers
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Speaker 6: didn't stop at the intersection, not even when the eleven
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Speaker 6: year old was on the hood of the car. She
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Speaker 6: describes how eight year old Jacob was lying near the curb,
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Speaker 6: mark was in the road with a visibly broken arm
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Speaker 6: and quote blood coming out of his mouth. She says
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Speaker 6: her five year old watched paramedics perform CPR on his brother.
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Speaker 6: When asked if she could see which driver or suv
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Speaker 6: struck her son. Iscander said no, she was diving out
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Speaker 6: of the way, pulling her five year old along.
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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, with me an all star panel to
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Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 1: But now I'm going to go to.
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Speaker 2: Aimon Murphy joining us, investigative reporter writer for the Acorn Newspapers.
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Speaker 1: Amen, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Explain to me what facts I've left out so far
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Speaker 2: to the point where CPR is being given by the EMTs.
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, you basically you've got it right. It was
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Speaker 4: evening a September twenty ninth, twenty twenty. The family of
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Speaker 4: the Eskander family were out for a walk. You know,
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Speaker 4: this is during COVID, so they're getting out getting some air.
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Speaker 4: Nancy as Gander is crossing the road. It's called Tranfo
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Speaker 4: Canyon Road in Westlake Village. It runs right along the lake.
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Speaker 4: She's crossing towards the lake with her three boys. She's
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Speaker 4: got the youngest boy right at her hip and they're
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Speaker 4: in front. The two older boys are behind her. That's
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Speaker 4: Mark and Jacob. Her husband and their baby daughter are
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Speaker 4: continue walking up the road. They don't cross, so there's
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Speaker 4: some distance away Nancy as gander hears the roars of
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Speaker 4: two engines, she says, and she turns, and she sees
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Speaker 4: these SUVs coming. She's able to jump out of the
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Speaker 4: way of the first one, that's a black SUV with
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Speaker 4: her youngest son, but then behind her the second car,
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Speaker 4: which is a white Mercedes Suv, hits the other two boys,
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Speaker 4: and that's the one driven by Rebecca Grossman.
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Speaker 7: Authorities say, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa Wait wait, wait, wait
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Speaker 7: a minute, Aimon Murphy first of all, Rebecca Grossman, Okay, well,
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Speaker 7: she's beautiful number one, but sheet is married to a
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Speaker 7: plastic surgeon.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know how much of that is God given,
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Speaker 2: not judging, don't care. But you know, you normally think
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Speaker 2: of a lady of her standing, her age.
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Speaker 1: She's a grown woman.
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Speaker 2: I don't really picture her zig zagging at what eighty
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Speaker 2: plus miles an hour and residential area zig zagging like
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Speaker 2: I'm fast and furious. You've seen that, right, I've seen
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Speaker 2: all of them with my son. Okay, actually I liked them,
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Speaker 2: so I can't really blame him. Amen, have you ever
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Speaker 2: seen that? The zig zagging? And I'm trying to imagine
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at her picture right now, this lady, well,
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Speaker 2: she's no lady, she's killer.
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Speaker 1: According to me.
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Speaker 2: Zig actually zig zagging in a residential area at eighty
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Speaker 2: plus miles an hour.
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Speaker 4: Right, I'll see it's a problem in the LA area.
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Speaker 4: I mean in this quiet, sleepy part of town. I
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Speaker 4: mean the first time I drove by this road, I
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Speaker 4: saw numerous pedestrians, numerous cyclists. The thought of going eighty
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Speaker 4: one miles an hour, which is the figure we've been given,
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Speaker 4: that is that's unthinkable on that road, I mean completely unthinkable.
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Speaker 4: But the judge in the preliminary hearing said that Grossman
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Speaker 4: was playing a high speed game of chicken with the
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Speaker 4: other driver in the incident, Scott Ericsson, and police said
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Speaker 4: that they were racing from a restaurant to a house.
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Speaker 4: The judge in the trial has taken a more skeptical
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Speaker 4: stance towards that term, and street racing is not part
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Speaker 4: of the charges in this case. But the prosecutor who
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Speaker 4: has said it's not a grease style of dropping of
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Speaker 4: the handkerchief scenario, he doesn't want to have to stop
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Speaker 4: a witness from using that word in the colloquial sense
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Speaker 4: to describe what they saw as the mother in this
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Speaker 4: case has done the mother of the victims. But there
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Speaker 4: is a history of speeding tickets and this driving record.
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Speaker 4: It was accompanied by a warning from the highway patrolman
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Speaker 4: who said, you know you could kill somebody driving like
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Speaker 4: this on the freeway.
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Speaker 1: How do we know?
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Speaker 2: He said that on one of her last spaiting tickets.
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Speaker 2: Is it on bodycam?
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if it's on bodycam or if it
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Speaker 4: was a note was made of it some other.
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Speaker 2: Way crime stores with Nancy Gray. And now to the
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Speaker 2: California Big Dollhouse. Was that I'm talking about jail incarcerated
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Speaker 2: California socialite Rebecca Grossman slammed with a civil lawsuit as
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Speaker 2: grief stricken parents of two little boys that she mowed
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Speaker 2: down in a drunken hit and run. Seek a hit
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Speaker 2: her where it hurts in the wallet? What happened to
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Speaker 2: that day?
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Speaker 1: Eighty one and a forty five?
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Speaker 2: And when you say this sleepy little area of LA
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Speaker 2: for most people we think of LA although I live
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Speaker 2: there for a while, I do know that there are
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Speaker 2: sleepy little areas. Most people think of, you know, the
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Speaker 2: Walk of Fame. They think of downtown LA. What we
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Speaker 2: see in movies and TV what part of LA is
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Speaker 2: a sleepy little burrow.
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Speaker 4: Well, this is not the city of Los Angeles. This
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Speaker 4: is the absolute western edge of Los Angeles County. It's
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Speaker 4: a city called Westlake Village, which is less than eight
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Speaker 4: thousand people, and most of the city was annexed by
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Speaker 4: Ventura County. It became part of Thousand Oaks. So it's
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Speaker 4: a tiny, little affluent suburb just on the edge of
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Speaker 4: the county. And you know, really the point of it is,
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Speaker 4: it's not Los Angeles the city. You know, it's a
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Speaker 4: different kind of a.
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Speaker 2: Please you know, Amon Murphy, I'm trying to parse everything
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Speaker 2: you're saying because you're giving me so much correct information.
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Speaker 2: You said that LA has a problem with drag racing
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Speaker 2: or speed racing. I think that he said that, yeah,
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Speaker 2: by gang members. I don't think of some plastic surgeon
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Speaker 2: as old lady out there's dragging with her lover after
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Speaker 2: they booze it up at lunch. That must have been
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Speaker 2: some long lunch because now it's the evening and she's
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Speaker 2: drag racing with her excuse me, alleged lover. Alleged. I
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Speaker 2: haven't seen them in bed together. I don't know for
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Speaker 2: sure that they're lovers. But that said, this grown lady
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Speaker 2: drunk as a skunk drag race and mows all that,
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Speaker 2: you know what, money cannot buy class that is for sure.
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Speaker 4: What do you buy an AMG car for? I mean,
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Speaker 4: one thing the prosecution wanted to bring in is the
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Speaker 4: fact that she took a one day you know, performance
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Speaker 4: driving course on a closed track in twenty eighteen. And
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Speaker 4: the judge said, no.
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Speaker 2: You wait, wait, you're awesome number one a MG.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, AMG. It's it's it's a high performance kind of
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Speaker 4: a Mercedes, you know, these cars with the really loud engines,
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Speaker 4: and so that if you buy one of these cars,
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Speaker 4: you can participate in a course on a closed racetrack
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Speaker 4: where they kind of give you the you have an
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Speaker 4: instructor and you have a chance to you know, drive
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Speaker 4: fast and of course you're not on the streets, so
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Speaker 4: it's not dangerous in that way. And you're told that
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Speaker 4: the course, you know, this is you know, very controlled conditions.
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Speaker 4: You can't drive like this and the real world. So
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Speaker 4: she attended one of these in twenty eighteen, and the
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Speaker 4: prosecution had wanted to introduce this and bring this warning
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Speaker 4: into show because reed racing in the legal sense is
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Speaker 4: not part of the charges, but the prosecution means it
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Speaker 4: in the more colloquial sense of two cars driving very
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Speaker 4: quickly mirroring each other, something we see a lot on
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Speaker 4: the freeway, and something that a witness in the case
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Speaker 4: might say about this incident, as the mother of the
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Speaker 4: victims has done.
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Speaker 2: Joining us former prosecutor and Lawrence County, PA author of
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Speaker 1: I love that title.
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Speaker 2: You can find them at Mattmanngino dot com. Matthew Mangino.
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Speaker 2: We both tried a lot of homicide cases. To show
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Speaker 2: intent to a jury, you can show them intent either
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Speaker 2: implied or express. Express means I say, Jackie, I'm going
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Speaker 2: to shoot you dead right now, and I shoot her dead.
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Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen because I need you desperately. And
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Speaker 2: there is implied intent, such as you choose to get
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Speaker 2: stink and drunk, walk to your car, insert in the key,
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Speaker 2: start the ignition, put it reverse, put it in drive,
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Speaker 2: hit the gas, or let me give an easier one
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Speaker 2: with implied intent. I go and I practice shoot at
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Speaker 2: a range for twenty hours. Then I go by, let's
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Speaker 2: just go with a glock. Then I stop my husband,
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Speaker 2: who I find out has been cheating, not true, and
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Speaker 2: then I get him in the crosshairs and I spy
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Speaker 2: on him till he comes out of the office and
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Speaker 2: I train across the parculant. Boom, hegone, all right, So
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Speaker 2: that is implied intent. It was a very long drawn
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Speaker 2: out plan, even though I didn't expressly say it.
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Speaker 1: I think here, I would argue to the jury.
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Speaker 2: I'd show them this picture of her car totally bashed
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Speaker 2: in in the front and go through what all she
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Speaker 2: did before she landed right here, all the warnings, all
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Speaker 2: the speeding tickets, all the booze that afternoon, and say
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Speaker 2: that's implied intent, right.
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Speaker 8: You know, second degree murder in California is you have
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Speaker 8: to show malice of forethought. You don't have. You don't
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Speaker 8: show deliberation or premeditation, just that malice. And in drinking
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Speaker 8: where you have a blood alcohol content three hours later
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Speaker 8: that zero point zero eight, which is clearly indicative that
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Speaker 8: it would have been higher at the time you were driving,
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Speaker 8: and that you're driving eighty miles an hour and a
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Speaker 8: forty five mile an hour zone where there are pedestrians
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Speaker 8: frequently in that area is enough to show malice. I mean,
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Speaker 8: plus her history of driving and an excess of speed
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Speaker 8: at times all amounts to her malice. She's grossly negligent.
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Speaker 8: She's reckless in getting behind the wheel and driving at
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Speaker 8: that speed in an area in which there frequently are
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Speaker 8: people and young people exercising involved in recreation. And because
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Speaker 8: of that there's ample evidence to convict her of second
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Speaker 8: degree murder.
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Speaker 2: Well, now we're getting a whole spin on it, and
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Speaker 2: luckily for tuitously, today we have with us premier accident
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Speaker 2: reconstruction as senior engineer co owner of Vera Tech Consulting
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Speaker 2: Engineering at Vera Tech eg for Engineering dot com, Joseph Trimblay, Joseph,
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Speaker 2: We've got a few things to run by you. But first,
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Speaker 2: Stacy Stewart, the CEO of Mothers Against Drunk Driving MAD,
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Speaker 2: which has now taken off across this country and is
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Speaker 2: a veritable force against drunk driving. Stacy Stewart, Aman Murphy,
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Speaker 2: isn't it true that she would not willingly give a
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Speaker 2: blood draw and that she wouldn't quote really blow into
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Speaker 2: the breathalyzer.
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Speaker 4: I've heard that about them, that she wasn't really blowing
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Speaker 4: and that's why they wanted to get the blood. And
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Speaker 4: while you had those readings that were point oh seventy six,
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Speaker 4: and then later on the blood draw reading is higher.
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Speaker 4: She did not give consent to have the blood drawn.
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Speaker 4: She said she wanted to ask her her husband when
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Speaker 4: they said will you consent to this? So instead there
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Speaker 4: was a forced blood draw. She was taken to the
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Speaker 4: hospital by the police and there her blood was taken
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Speaker 4: and that's where they got the point eight result.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Stacy Stewart joining US CEO of Mothers Against Drunk
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Speaker 2: Driving Mad. See, if she's point eight hours later, once
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Speaker 2: she gets to the hospital and they perform the blood draw,
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Speaker 2: there's no telling what she was because alcohol dissipates in
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Speaker 2: the body.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 9: And if she was at point oh eight three hours
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Speaker 9: after the crash occurred, and she was significantly higher than that,
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Speaker 9: presumably at the time of the crash, I'm sure I
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Speaker 9: know that that's what the prosecutors will will argue. And
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Speaker 9: one of the things I think, one of the things
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Speaker 9: that I think a lot of people Nancy don't understand
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Speaker 9: is that even at levels less than point oh eight
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Speaker 9: drivers aren't paired. You know, there's a there was a
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Speaker 9: bill introduced in California, and there's one that's been introducing
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Speaker 9: other states trying to move the legal limit to point
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Speaker 9: oh five blood alcohol concentration level, because all the studies
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Speaker 9: that we have seen have shown that the risk of
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Speaker 9: crash is significantly higher at point oh five, seven times
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Speaker 9: high as compared to for drivers that are anywhere from
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Speaker 9: point oh five to point oh eight, as compared to
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Speaker 9: drivers with no alcohol in their system. So we know
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Speaker 9: that at any level of drinking and get and driving,
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Speaker 9: a driver can be impaired and can dangerously put themselves
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Speaker 9: at risk or others, as is the case here obviously
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Speaker 9: from the facts that we know.
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Speaker 4: There's one other thing to say here, Nancy, which is
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Speaker 4: that the tochochology reports also showed a small amount of value.
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Speaker 4: So the prosecution is going to say that there's an
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Speaker 4: interaction between the value and the alcohol which increases the
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Speaker 4: impairment effect, even if you have a level of reading
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Speaker 4: that is not all that high in terms of the
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Speaker 4: legal limit, Nancy.
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Speaker 9: One thing I would just say about that is ahead
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Speaker 9: one of the things I would just say about that
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Speaker 9: point is that we are seeing a concerning trend of
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Speaker 9: what we call poly use, so the use of alcohol
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Speaker 9: and other substances like prescription drugs, value like cannabis. So
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Speaker 9: in state that has also legalized marijuana where it's more
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Speaker 9: widely available, moving the blood alcohol concentration level to point
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Speaker 9: oh five, it's even more critical because multiple substances can
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Speaker 9: lead to even more impairment by drivers, and we're seeing
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Speaker 9: a disturbing trend about that where we've seen an increase
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Speaker 9: in impair driving fatalities. It's thirty five percent even over
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Speaker 9: the past few years. So we're seeing an increasing trend,
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Speaker 9: and of course this multiple use of substances is obviously
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Speaker 9: an issue that we have to address.
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Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan is joining US professor for insis Jacksonville
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Speaker 2: State University, author A Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon,
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Speaker 2: and star of a hit series Body Bags with Joe
21:39
Speaker 2: Scott Morgan. Joe Scott why and how does all that
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Speaker 2: alcohol dissipate in just three hours?
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Speaker 10: Well, it's metabolic change or processing rather, so your body
21:52
Speaker 10: is actually metabolizing this alcohol that has been ingested previously
21:58
Speaker 10: and that's why I You know, once someone has become
22:03
Speaker 10: inebriated over a period of time, once they stop drinking,
22:08
Speaker 10: it stands to reason that the body is still processing
22:11
Speaker 10: all of this alcohol that's contained in the body of
22:14
Speaker 10: the ethanol, and as it's being burned off in the body,
22:19
Speaker 10: you begin to kind of return back to a level
22:22
Speaker 10: of normalcy. But it takes a while for it to
22:24
Speaker 10: all get out of your body. And so what's key
22:28
Speaker 10: here is when you are in law enforcement and you're
22:32
Speaker 10: attempting to conduct a test on an individual to measure it,
22:37
Speaker 10: you're fighting. You're fighting against time here because you can't
22:40
Speaker 10: fight metabolism in the body. So it's a race. So
22:44
Speaker 10: the longer you wait, the less the level will be.
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Speaker 10: But you know, you kind of project this back. If
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Speaker 10: you're talking about three hour delay, you can kind of
22:54
Speaker 10: hypothesize that the level would have been much higher and
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Speaker 10: with a much greater level of impairment as well. And
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Speaker 10: you couple that with valume and it's a deadly mix.
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Speaker 2: The grieving parents of two little boys mowed down dead
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Speaker 2: by a wealthy socialite, Rebecca Grossman, Oh, oh, it was
23:13
Speaker 2: a horrific, horrific hit and run waited nearly four years
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Speaker 2: to see her finally convicted by a jury and sent
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Speaker 2: to jail for fifteen years to life. Don't worry, she'll
23:26
Speaker 2: get out early. But now they're hitting her and her
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Speaker 2: family where it hurts them the most. In the bank account.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 2: The parents have filed an unlawful death civil lawsuit against
23:39
Speaker 2: a Grossman. They've even asked an LA judge to let
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Speaker 2: them probe the finances of Grossman, who is estimated to
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Speaker 2: be worth at least twenty million dollars. This after they
23:51
Speaker 2: have been forced to endure losing their two beloved little boys,
23:56
Speaker 2: Mark eleven and Jacob eight. Take a listen to Captain
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Speaker 2: Salvador Materira.
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Speaker 1: Two cars were racing.
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Speaker 11: We believe speed is a factor.
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Speaker 12: Alcohol is a factor. The family were in a marked crosswalk,
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Speaker 12: clearly marked. As she realized there were two cars speeding
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Speaker 12: her way, she was able to reach out and grab
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Speaker 12: one of her children off of a razor scooter, pulled
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Speaker 12: the child back with the stroller, with another child at
24:25
Speaker 12: a stroller as the car entered the intersection and hit
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Speaker 12: the other two boys.
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Speaker 2: What more do we know about what happened when these
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Speaker 2: two little boys were mowed down?
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Speaker 1: Dead listen to our friends at crime Online.
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Speaker 3: Deputies reportedly catch up with the white Mercedes with significant
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Speaker 3: front end damage a third of a mile from the scene.
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Speaker 3: Behind the wheel is Rebecca Grossman. A deputy describes finding
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Speaker 3: the vehicle stopped at the curb and Grossman saying she
24:52
Speaker 3: didn't know why her airbag had been triggered. As Grossman
24:55
Speaker 3: speaks to a nine to one to one operator, she's
24:57
Speaker 3: asked if she hit someone. Grossman can be heard so
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Speaker 3: saying I don't know what I hit.
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Speaker 11: One of the boys struck in the crosswalk is pronounced
25:03
Speaker 11: dead on the scene, according to KCl, and another boy
25:06
Speaker 11: dies in the hospital. Police were able to arrest fifty
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Speaker 11: seven year old Rebecca Grossman, a well known figure in
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Speaker 11: the community who appeared on KCl in the past as
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Speaker 11: the founder and chair of the Grossman Burne Foundation. She's
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Speaker 11: also been recognized for her humanitarian work around the world.
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Speaker 11: Captain Salvador Besa says it is senseless and could have
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Speaker 11: been avoided by ordering an uber or calling a friend.
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Speaker 11: Rebecca Grossman did not stay on the scene. She was
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Speaker 11: arrested a quarter of a mile away.
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Speaker 2: So Amon Murphy from the Acorn Newspapers she flees the
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Speaker 2: scene and it starts saying, I don't know what I hit.
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Speaker 2: She's in the wide, high powered Mercedes with all of
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Speaker 2: the damage to the front right in the middle of
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Speaker 2: the grill.
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Speaker 4: That's right. She kept driving. The engine was cut off
25:50
Speaker 4: remotely because the airbag had deployed, So the car eventually
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Speaker 4: stopped and she was founde by deputy.
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Speaker 2: That's probably the only reason she stopped, as supposed the
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Speaker 2: car forced her to stop when the airbag deployed. With
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Speaker 2: me is Joseph Tremblay, a premier Accident reconstruction, a senior
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Speaker 2: engineer co owner VERITEC Consulting Engineering. Joseph, I wanted you
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Speaker 2: to hear these facts so you could give me your analysis.
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Speaker 1: What do you think.
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Speaker 13: Well, let's talk about that car a little bit more
26:22
Speaker 13: and the damage to the front end. It's pretty obvious
26:26
Speaker 13: that there's significant damage to both the front clip and
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Speaker 13: the hood, which is very consistent with contact made between
26:36
Speaker 13: the car and a pedestrian in this case.
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Speaker 2: Oh wait, I see what you're talking about. When you
26:41
Speaker 2: say the front grill or I say grill.
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Speaker 1: And you say hood.
26:46
Speaker 2: You know if you look at that picture Joseph Tremblay
26:49
Speaker 2: and of course, I'm a civilian in this matter. It
26:52
Speaker 2: looks like there is a spot where a boy's body
26:58
Speaker 2: could lay, almost like a hammock has been formed in
27:01
Speaker 2: her hood.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's correct, and I think that's probably what happened
27:05
Speaker 13: in this case, is that one of the little boys
27:09
Speaker 13: actually ended up on the hood, as tragic as that sounds,
27:13
Speaker 13: and was carried by the car for a significant distance
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Speaker 13: after impact. And another thing that's interesting to note. On
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Speaker 13: that picture that you're referring to, where you see the
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Speaker 13: front end damage, you also see underneath the car there's
27:30
Speaker 13: a puddle of fluid, almost as if perhaps the car
27:36
Speaker 13: sustains some sort of mechanical damage from this contact. And
27:41
Speaker 13: not only was the car disabled because of the airbag deployment,
27:44
Speaker 13: it may not have been driveable at all because of
27:46
Speaker 13: the coolant leak. That's probably what happened here.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying to furiously take notes as you write.
27:55
Speaker 2: It's amazing to me that her defense is that it
27:58
Speaker 2: was her boyfriend that did it, the one driving the
28:01
Speaker 2: other car. When they pull this vehicle over, she had
28:05
Speaker 2: been forced to stop, either from the fluid leakage or
28:09
Speaker 2: because the airbag deployed. She did you hear this part
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Speaker 2: to you, Robert Crispin. She wouldn't quote really blow into
28:19
Speaker 2: the breathalyzer, don't you know.
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Speaker 1: It's because she knew she.
28:24
Speaker 2: Was drunk, and she thought by just going and not
28:27
Speaker 2: really blowing into it fully, she might beat the breath lizer.
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Speaker 5: So listen, The breathalyzer machines are very accurate, and they're
28:35
Speaker 5: very sensitive, and they're built for people that are going
28:38
Speaker 5: to do that. So clearly it obtained a reasonable sample
28:44
Speaker 5: to come up with an indication and a reading being
28:48
Speaker 5: the point zero seven to six. So yes, I've had
28:53
Speaker 5: a bunch of people and I've arrested over one hundred
28:55
Speaker 5: people for DUI in my career. Yes, people always try
28:58
Speaker 5: to do that. They always try to very lightly blow,
29:01
Speaker 5: but these machines are built for that. They sense that
29:04
Speaker 5: the machines aren't stupid.
29:06
Speaker 6: So if I could just add.
29:07
Speaker 4: One thing about the.
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Speaker 5: Point when she went up to the point eight, and
29:13
Speaker 5: I think your doctor will also be able to confirm
29:16
Speaker 5: with this. You can drink alcohol and have three drinks
29:20
Speaker 5: right now and getting your car two seconds, which is
29:23
Speaker 5: a very stupid thing to do. But you can drive
29:25
Speaker 5: a half a block away and get home and you're
29:27
Speaker 5: probably still under the legal limit because, as the doctor says,
29:31
Speaker 5: the alcohol hasn't processed your body. Clearly, she was going
29:35
Speaker 5: up in her BAC level or her blood alcohol level,
29:39
Speaker 5: which I surmise is why the prosecution did not charge
29:43
Speaker 5: her with DUY because at the time she took that
29:47
Speaker 5: first test. Now maybe it was a PVT test, maybe
29:50
Speaker 5: it was a roadside test, I don't know, but whatever
29:52
Speaker 5: machine she blew into, and then they took the other
29:57
Speaker 5: blood tests at the hospital I believe in the three
29:59
Speaker 5: hours and the doctor can confirm us her blood alphol
30:02
Speaker 5: level was going up. And I have a feeling that
30:05
Speaker 5: the prosecution said, err on the side of caution because
30:08
Speaker 5: they're going to say she wasn't DUI at the time
30:13
Speaker 5: of the crash. At the time of the crash, that's
30:16
Speaker 5: a big deal at the time of the crash.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that explains why they didn't charge her driving under
30:21
Speaker 2: the influence, because I think all that count it could
30:25
Speaker 2: taint or poison the rest of the counts.
30:27
Speaker 1: They absolutely know they can prove to be UI. Yeah,
30:32
Speaker 1: to be.
30:32
Speaker 2: DUI across the country, you got to be in most jurisdics,
30:35
Speaker 2: just point zero eight. And at first she blew point
30:38
Speaker 2: zero seven six, which rounds up to point eight.
30:43
Speaker 1: But that's not good enough.
30:44
Speaker 2: When she gets to the hospital, she does the blood
30:49
Speaker 2: test shows point zero eight. I personally trust a blood
30:53
Speaker 2: test more than the breathalyzer, and the breathalyzer may have
30:57
Speaker 2: hit low because she was going not really blowing into it.
31:01
Speaker 2: But we're going to hear more about that during the trial.
31:04
Speaker 2: You know another thing, and I'm very curious about this.
31:09
Speaker 2: I'll throw this to Joseph Tremblay. Our acent reconstruction is
31:12
Speaker 2: joining us. A former La County Sheriff's deputy who specializes
31:17
Speaker 2: in traffic crashes, testified at a preliminary hearing his name
31:21
Speaker 2: Robert Appadaka, that he had never seen a person thrown
31:26
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty four feet by impact. It's the
31:30
Speaker 2: farthest he has ever known a human to be thrown
31:34
Speaker 2: in a crash.
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Speaker 13: What about it, Tremblay, I think that is a significant distance,
31:40
Speaker 13: and I am also very surprised at that distances. That's incredible,
31:46
Speaker 13: and I think there's probably two factors that really contributed
31:50
Speaker 13: to that number, and the first was that, as we
31:53
Speaker 13: touched on earlier, I think one of these pedestrians, one
31:57
Speaker 13: of these little boys was actually up on the hood
32:01
Speaker 13: for a distance while the car was driving. And you know,
32:04
Speaker 13: this car's going pretty fast seventy eighty miles per hour
32:07
Speaker 13: according to evidence, and it doesn't take a whole lot
32:11
Speaker 13: of time to cover that kind of distance. So there
32:15
Speaker 13: was probably a portion of that two hundred and fifty
32:19
Speaker 13: four feet in which the little boy was on the
32:22
Speaker 13: hood and then was vaulted off of the hood at
32:26
Speaker 13: some point and then you know, unfortunately came to rest
32:30
Speaker 13: where he did. But both of those factors kind of
32:35
Speaker 13: contribute to that distance. And I want to swing back
32:39
Speaker 13: and talk about this car a little bit more. One
32:43
Speaker 13: thing that's kind of unique to Mercedes is Mercedes has
32:49
Speaker 13: done a lot of safety improvements to their vehicles because
32:54
Speaker 13: they know that pedestrian accidents are very very dangerous and
32:58
Speaker 13: they're usually fatal and it's very serious when these occur.
33:03
Speaker 13: So one of the safety features on all Mercedes cars
33:07
Speaker 13: ever since twenty nineteen is called pre Safe and that's
33:13
Speaker 13: a system that's designed to detect pedestrians. Now, the only
33:19
Speaker 13: way that that system will work is if the car
33:24
Speaker 13: is traveling forty five miles per hour or less, so
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Speaker 13: it goes to stay that we could consider if this
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Speaker 13: driver Grossman, if she was traveling the speed limit, this
33:37
Speaker 13: accident may have never happened.
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Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know about pre safe on Mercedes.
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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In the last days to grieving parents state in court.
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Speaker 2: In light of the defendant, Rebecca Grossman's five felony convictions
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Speaker 2: and all the evidence to date, there's a substantial probability
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Speaker 2: that the parents will prevail on their claim.
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Speaker 1: This coming up on the fourth anniversary.
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Speaker 2: Of the little boy's tragic, untimely deaths back September twenty nine,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, these candors completely devastated. I know money will
34:30
Speaker 2: not bring the little boys back, but this is a
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Speaker 2: move that would hit the wealthy socialite driving drunk.
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Speaker 1: Where it hurts in her piggybank.
34:42
Speaker 2: What is a grown woman doing drag racing drunk as
34:48
Speaker 2: a skunk and high as a kite off of valium
34:51
Speaker 2: in booze? Karen Start joining me, renowned psychologists joining us
34:56
Speaker 2: out of the Manhattan jurisdiction at Karenstart dot com with
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Speaker 2: a sea Karen, what's a grown woman doing drag racing
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Speaker 2: with her alleged lover?
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Speaker 1: And this guy is no schlump?
35:09
Speaker 2: La Dodgers, play with the La Dodgers and with the
35:11
Speaker 2: New York Yankees, and he's having this alcohol soaked lunch
35:17
Speaker 2: with this married multi millionaire and then they decide to
35:21
Speaker 2: go drag racing.
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Speaker 1: Really, well, you're.
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Speaker 14: Not talking about the kind of grown woman that we
35:27
Speaker 14: would imagine that they've been spending the whole afternoon having
35:32
Speaker 14: a great time drinking. Allegedly he's an ex lover and
35:39
Speaker 14: where I don't know, supposedly for Tris. I don't know
35:43
Speaker 14: what they were doing. But she's not just a edate
35:47
Speaker 14: controlled person. She's now has value in her system. She's drinking,
35:52
Speaker 14: she's having this great time with an ex lover, and she's.
35:55
Speaker 1: Just letting loose.
35:56
Speaker 14: What's really telling to me, I don't know about this
36:00
Speaker 14: isn't my expertise, But the fact that she said I
36:03
Speaker 14: don't know what I hit to me is saying that
36:07
Speaker 14: she knows she hit something, she just doesn't know what
36:10
Speaker 14: it is that she hit.
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Speaker 2: I mean, get real, Karen Stark, come on, please get
36:15
Speaker 2: out of that Ivory tower. She drives what was it
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Speaker 2: a quarter of a mile? A half a mile? Emon
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Speaker 2: Murphy right with the little boy on her hood.
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Speaker 1: Exactly how far did she drive amon with the boy
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Speaker 1: on the hood.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not the detail about the boy on the
36:32
Speaker 4: hood has has been contested a bit.
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Speaker 1: What does the state say.
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Speaker 4: I mean, initially, I'm not. I don't want to say
36:42
Speaker 4: the say that the figures in the past, because they've
36:45
Speaker 4: been they've been challenged. I mean the car, the car
36:47
Speaker 4: continued driving before she stopped, either a quarter mile or
36:50
Speaker 4: a half mile, so she was, you know, she was continuing.
36:53
Speaker 1: Well, where was the little boy's body found?
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Speaker 4: There was? One of them was found in the crosswalk basically,
37:00
Speaker 4: and another was found around two two hundred some feet away.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Trembly, that's to you. The little boy was found
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Speaker 2: two hundred feet away, at least two hundred feet away.
37:14
Speaker 2: So she drove two thirds of a football field with
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Speaker 2: the boy on her hood. What she can see that?
37:22
Speaker 13: Oh, I think she's oblivious. And it really surprises me
37:25
Speaker 13: that not only did she not see these two little
37:29
Speaker 13: boys before impact. I mean, this is a wide open intersection,
37:33
Speaker 13: and it's a very well lit, well marked crosswalk. It's
37:37
Speaker 13: got there's flashing lights overhead. You can see it for
37:40
Speaker 13: about one thousand.
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Speaker 11: Feet before you get to it.
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Speaker 13: So it's let's let's make sure that that's a point
37:46
Speaker 13: that we talk about here, is that there's no visual
37:49
Speaker 13: obstructions to what you know she can see, but not
37:54
Speaker 13: only that after impact, she's completely oblivious. There's there's a
37:58
Speaker 13: little boy on her hood and she continues to drive.
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Speaker 13: That's how serious this is. That's just plain egregious.
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Speaker 1: You know, Matthew Mangino.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes the defense shoots themselves in the foot, and I
38:13
Speaker 2: think that happened here because the defense came up with
38:16
Speaker 2: a new theory as defense, claiming the alleged lover, he's
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Speaker 2: the one that was driving her Mercedes as they were
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Speaker 2: drag racing and chasing each other through this residential neighborhood.
38:29
Speaker 2: And now the prosecutor, Jamie Castro, will argue that she,
38:35
Speaker 2: Rebecca Grossman, and the professional.
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Speaker 1: Athlete Scott Ericsson had been in a sex affair.
38:47
Speaker 2: They said they were not going to bring it up
38:49
Speaker 2: until she's now blaming him, claiming it has now become
38:53
Speaker 2: relevant because the defense intends to argue that the black
38:57
Speaker 2: car is at issue in this particular scenario and that
39:02
Speaker 2: they had swapped. So by coming out with this defense,
39:06
Speaker 2: now their sex affair is going to come into evidence.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it will, and as you said, it wasn't the
39:14
Speaker 8: state's intention to bring up the affair until they tried
39:18
Speaker 8: to put forward this defense that he was driving her vehicle.
39:25
Speaker 8: So that whole issue with regard to their relationship is
39:30
Speaker 8: now something that can be brought before the jury. And obviously,
39:34
Speaker 8: you know, a jury's going to make a decision here
39:37
Speaker 8: and they're going to consider the fact, but they also
39:39
Speaker 8: are going to consider the credibility, the believability of witnesses.
39:45
Speaker 2: The mother of the two little boys who were mowed
39:48
Speaker 2: down dead actually runs out of the courtroom sobbing. Aimon
39:57
Speaker 2: Murphy joining us investigative reporter writer for the Acorn Newspapers,
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Speaker 2: go ahead.
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, we heard from the mother of the victims, Nancy,
40:07
Speaker 4: a Scander, who described having to jump out of the
40:10
Speaker 4: way of an oncoming black suv with her youngest son.
40:15
Speaker 4: Now a white suv coming just up behind it ran
40:18
Speaker 4: through the intersection where her other two boys were. She
40:21
Speaker 4: didn't see it hit them, but she heard a crash
40:24
Speaker 4: as it went by, and then they'd been struck. At
40:28
Speaker 4: one point, after she had testified, they were photographs shown
40:32
Speaker 4: that another witness had taken of the aftermath of the scene,
40:35
Speaker 4: including of a broken skateboard, her oldest son, Mark had
40:39
Speaker 4: been on a skateboard, and also a Mark's body, and Nancy,
40:43
Speaker 4: a scander at that point, cried out her son's name,
40:47
Speaker 4: Mark's name and had to leave the courtroom in distress.
40:51
Speaker 4: We also heard from some other witnesses of the collisions.
40:56
Speaker 4: None of them saw the white car hit both of
40:59
Speaker 4: the boys, but two of them saw the white car
41:01
Speaker 4: hit one of the boys, and none of them attributed
41:04
Speaker 4: any impact to a black vehicle, which has been the
41:07
Speaker 4: defense's claim that the black car, driven by Grossman's then boyfriend,
41:12
Speaker 4: Scott Erickson, was responsible for hitting the boys. We also
41:17
Speaker 4: saw the defense very aggressively cross examined two investigators, one
41:22
Speaker 4: of whom did the initial crash report. They were going
41:25
Speaker 4: after his measurements of the debris, which led to his
41:28
Speaker 4: conclusion that speed was the cause of the accident, as
41:31
Speaker 4: well as his conclusion that all the debris was consistent
41:34
Speaker 4: with the white Mercedes. He was also the same officer
41:38
Speaker 4: to initially come into contact with Rebecca Grossman and her
41:41
Speaker 4: disabled white Mercedes after the accident, and then the officer
41:45
Speaker 4: who conducted the field sobriety test under cross examination acknowledged
41:50
Speaker 4: that not all of the tests were conducted according to
41:53
Speaker 4: the book, which cast some doubt onto his conclusions that
41:59
Speaker 4: she was impaired he when he arrested her. Testimony has
42:03
Speaker 4: gotten up to the point where Rebecca Grossman's blood was
42:07
Speaker 4: drawn at the hospital after a warrant was obtained to
42:10
Speaker 4: do a blood draw. So next they're going to get
42:13
Speaker 4: into the chemist's account of the test results, which is
42:17
Speaker 4: important because that result is what was at the point
42:21
Speaker 4: eight level. Three hours after the incident. The breathalyzer results
42:26
Speaker 4: were point seven to six and point seven to five,
42:29
Speaker 4: which are just below that threshold for impairment. You can
42:34
Speaker 4: still be impaired technically below that limit, but it's going
42:38
Speaker 4: to be important for the prosecution to get that test
42:41
Speaker 4: established at that point eight level, and the defense is
42:44
Speaker 4: going to go after the blood draw and the testing method.
42:47
Speaker 2: You know Stacy Stewart's CEO and weet of Mothers against
42:50
Speaker 2: Drunk Driving MAD. I don't get why, after all the
42:54
Speaker 2: publicity that MAD has generated, people still drive drunk. You know.
42:58
Speaker 9: It's it's it's a problem mentioned earlier, Nancy. We're seeing
43:01
Speaker 9: the numbers going in the wrong direction, a thirty five
43:03
Speaker 9: percent increase in the past several years is astounding, and
43:08
Speaker 9: I think one of the things that's really important is
43:10
Speaker 9: it's really time for us to revisit the laws and
43:13
Speaker 9: the technology that we have in place. I just was
43:16
Speaker 9: just listening to the technology and Mercedes, you know, even
43:19
Speaker 9: that technology is not sufficient to stop to something like this.
43:21
Speaker 9: But I do want you to know and others to
43:23
Speaker 9: know that. In twenty twenty one, November twenty twenty one,
43:27
Speaker 9: the Halt Act was passed. It is new legislation that
43:30
Speaker 9: now requires passive, advanced and pair driving prevention systems to
43:35
Speaker 9: be integrated into all new cars starting in twenty twenty six.
43:39
Speaker 9: This is passive technology that would detect in pair driving
43:44
Speaker 9: and it's these kinds of cases that this technology, if
43:48
Speaker 9: it were in place, would have prevented anyone getting behind
43:52
Speaker 9: a wheel at the level of illegal impairment would not
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Speaker 9: be allowed to operate their car. And right now, Mad's
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Speaker 9: biggest priority is getting this technology implemented, getting the bio
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Speaker 9: legislation implemented. We're in the process of public commentary right now.
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Speaker 4: This is a huge win, but.
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Speaker 9: It's not a win for drivers and for public safety
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Speaker 9: if we every day that we don't have this technology
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Speaker 9: included in cars. But we are close to it, and frankly,
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Speaker 9: this kind of prevention system would have been enormously helpful
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Speaker 9: to have saved the lives of these two precious little boys.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're right, you're right, Stacy Stewart. You know what
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Speaker 2: else would have been helpful? If Rebecca Grossman hadn't gotten
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Speaker 2: drunk as a skunk at launch and hot behind the
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Speaker 2: wheels of our high power Mercedes. That would have helped
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Speaker 2: we wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: Goodbye, friend,