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Buffalo holds the 4th & 20th pick in Friday's NHL Draft. What's Next After Clearing Space? - Sabres Semantics · The Armchair GM's Sports Network

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to the Armchair GM Sports Network and welcome
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  Speaker 1: into a special off season episode of Saber Samantics right
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  Speaker 1: the special impromptu off season episode. Brandickquitto and Austin broad
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  Speaker 1: A lead Prospects with you during our summer break to
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  Speaker 1: break down what's been an interesting couple of days leading
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  Speaker 1: up to the NHL Draft on Friday, hosted in Buffalo.
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  Speaker 1: NHL free agency begins next week as well. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the Sabers movement so far, extensions, trades
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  Speaker 1: possibilities now with high draft picks, trade possibilities as well
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  Speaker 1: with almost twenty two million in cap spaces you can
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  Speaker 1: see on the YouTube version there. So again, Austin, we're
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  Speaker 1: here taking a break from the beach. I guess from
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  Speaker 1: our summer because the Sabers of and yarmokeek line and
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  Speaker 1: have made quite the noise so far already even before
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  Speaker 1: the NHL Draft and being able to get rid of
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  Speaker 1: some contracts here and set themselves up nicely for some
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  Speaker 1: endless possibilities, whether they use the draft picks or they
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  Speaker 1: use them to go big game hunting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, just quick clarification, with the Benson contract now
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  Speaker 2: officially registered, they're down to about thirteen point eight in
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  Speaker 2: cap space because gotcha, the Benson contract starts this year.
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  Speaker 2: But Yarmo has been not even just Yarmo, the NHL
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  Speaker 2: has been Probably the Cup ended on a Sunday, and
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  Speaker 2: I'd say it took about three days after that before
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  Speaker 2: we got the first trade going. I believe it was
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  Speaker 2: the Ross Colton trade. And then it's kind of just
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  Speaker 2: been transaction, at least one transaction every day since then,
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  Speaker 2: and it's been extremely fun. We kind of figured this
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  Speaker 2: would be an offseason full of trades because the free
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  Speaker 2: agency class wasn't really that good and with arguably the
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  Speaker 2: two biggest free agents Radish and Tuck. Technically they moved,
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  Speaker 2: but they never hit free agency. They were signed in trade.
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  Speaker 2: So like it's been, it's been a very trade filled
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  Speaker 2: offseason which is kind of what everyone predicted. And we
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  Speaker 2: haven't even hitch a life first yet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it has, and for the sake of the show,
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  Speaker 1: it was great timing because the first order of business
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about today is that Zach
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  Speaker 1: Benson signed a seven year contract extension with the Buffalo Sabers,
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  Speaker 1: an annual yearly annual value of seven point five million,
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  Speaker 1: seven years time, seven point five four. Zach Benson, the
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  Speaker 1: restricted free agent, played so well for the Sabers in
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  Speaker 1: this playoff run, and we knew that it was just
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  Speaker 1: a matter of time before he got that long term deal,
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  Speaker 1: with how much gm R murchiek Line was raving about
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  Speaker 1: him after the season and just his impact on that
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  Speaker 1: team and it was really a heartbeat for them and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of aspects. Austin won. What are your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on the contract, just initial reactions to that, and what
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  Speaker 1: do you think about the money going forward?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean initial thoughts are you know, we kind
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  Speaker 2: of said it when we did our I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know if you want to call it off season preview,
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  Speaker 2: but I said, at all costs, Benson should be a
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  Speaker 2: long term deal, and you know it wasn't the max
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  Speaker 2: term deal, but a seven year deal is a long
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  Speaker 2: term deal, and to get it at seven point five
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  Speaker 2: per I think is a really nice number. Second highest
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  Speaker 2: paid forward on the Sabers now in terms of aav
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  Speaker 2: and salary, just below Josh Norris. But I mean he's
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  Speaker 2: earned it the way he was able to produce. You know,
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  Speaker 2: his point production took a big leap. His goal scoring
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  Speaker 2: started to become more consistent towards the end of the
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  Speaker 2: year and was really really evident in the playoffs. So
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  Speaker 2: if he can get even you know, fifty percent of
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  Speaker 2: that finishing ability throughout the regular season next year, you'll
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  Speaker 2: see his production take another leap. And we all know
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  Speaker 2: the intangibles, the grittiness, the brains, and the playmak ability
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  Speaker 2: that he brings so kind of just cements Benson as
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  Speaker 2: you know, a top line winger on this team, which
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  Speaker 2: we know he is. But for Buffalo to get effective
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  Speaker 2: minutes of him in his eight, you know, nineteen through
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  Speaker 2: twenty one age seasons. To now lock him up long
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  Speaker 2: term and pretty much have his entire prime locked in
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  Speaker 2: a really solid value is huge and we already know,
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  Speaker 2: like Yarmou gushed over Benson at the end of the
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  Speaker 2: year presser. We kind of knew this was what they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do, and a big reason why I was
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  Speaker 2: adamant on not giving Tuck money because it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: their own doing. The Skinner buyout was their own doing.
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  Speaker 2: This is the year that it's kind of tight for them,
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  Speaker 2: and if they signed Tuck to ten point five, it
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  Speaker 2: would have been tough to fit Benson in. So getting
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  Speaker 2: him locked up long term and on a really solid
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  Speaker 2: deal it was huge for Yarmo. And I think Arma
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  Speaker 2: has been riding high, kind of seems like he can
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  Speaker 2: do no wrong lately, and this Benson thing is just
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  Speaker 2: a cherry on top before we even get to the
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  Speaker 2: actual meat of the offseason. So, you know, a great,
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  Speaker 2: great start for for Yarmo.
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  Speaker 1: Keck Linen, Yeah, I think that's a great point in
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  Speaker 1: the Skinner butt. I think it's six million against their
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  Speaker 1: cap this season, right, So that would have been tough,
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  Speaker 1: right with if with what Tuck ended up getting with Washington,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll talk about in a minute here, but to
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  Speaker 1: be able to fit all that money in your twenty
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  Speaker 1: one point five million in cap space would dry up
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  Speaker 1: pretty quick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if let's just say theoretically they signed
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  Speaker 2: Benson a seven point five and tucks here. Now they'd
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  Speaker 2: have about three million, three three million dollars in caspspace
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  Speaker 2: right now, which is not really uh saying much. So
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  Speaker 2: it's it's very good that they were able to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: not only Benson long term, but the tuck thing gives
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  Speaker 2: them wiggle room. So really really tidy worked by Yarmo
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  Speaker 2: on the on the bench. I'm interested to see what
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  Speaker 2: the Benson contract structure is. We know it's seven point
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  Speaker 2: five per year AAV, but I'm curious in terms of
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  Speaker 2: like the signing bonuses and things like that, because right
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  Speaker 2: now the only player forward on the Sabers roster was
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  Speaker 2: signing bonus money is Josh Don't So that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: not something the Sabers did before Yarmo took over. So
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  Speaker 2: it'll be curious to see if it's the more norm
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  Speaker 2: now because if Done signed and there was signing bonuses
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  Speaker 2: for the forwards, and now Yarmo signs Benson and there's
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  Speaker 2: signing bonuses, it feels like the Sabers are finally utilizing
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  Speaker 2: that to their advantage, which is not something they did
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  Speaker 2: under Kevin Adams.
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  Speaker 1: And we know it was going to be around the
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  Speaker 1: don contract and Don't ends up coming in at six
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  Speaker 1: point nine to five for his extension, so a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more for Benson, but I think it's well learned
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  Speaker 1: and with the way the cap is continuing to go up,
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  Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a bargain deal
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  Speaker 1: for the Sabers down down the road here if Benson
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  Speaker 1: continues the trajectory that he's on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean it makes sense, right, Don't sign
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  Speaker 2: earlier and is a little bit older, so, but it's
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  Speaker 2: good to have those two locked up, both on seven
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  Speaker 2: year contract extensions because those two sort of became the
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  Speaker 2: heart and soul for the Sabers, and you know, with
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  Speaker 2: Tuck Dahn, depending on what Yarma does the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the offseason, there's there's a there's a spot in the
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  Speaker 2: top line for one of these two to potentially grab
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  Speaker 2: nothing against Don't. I would bet my money that Benson
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  Speaker 2: has a better shot because we just he's so much
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  Speaker 2: younger and has the more potential. But there's now an
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  Speaker 2: opening for these two to take advantage of, and there's
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  Speaker 2: two players that will do everything in their power to
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  Speaker 2: work hard and grab that. So the Benson contract is nice,
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  Speaker 2: tidy work and again it feels like the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of transactions that Yarma has done had been widely celebrated
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  Speaker 2: and this one is clearly no different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I said it was his number one priority was
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  Speaker 1: getting Zach Benson signed, and they've done it here on
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  Speaker 1: June twenty fourth, before the offseason even technically begins with
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  Speaker 1: the draft and free agency. So great work there by
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  Speaker 1: yarm Okeeka Linen. And he wasn't done cooking Austin because
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  Speaker 1: we're going in the reverse. Were a chronological order here.
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  Speaker 1: That was the latest piece of business. But one of
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  Speaker 1: the big ones today was obviously Alex Tuck his rights
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  Speaker 1: getting moved to the Washington Capitals. We heard about this today.
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  Speaker 1: It took a little bit of time for the final
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  Speaker 1: trade to actually come through, but Alex Tuck's rights go
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  Speaker 1: to Washington where he signs a seven year contract or
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  Speaker 1: eight year contract excuse me, worth a ten point five
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  Speaker 1: million per season, which again I was adamant that if
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  Speaker 1: it was more than nine, I really wanted no part
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  Speaker 1: of what Alex Tucker was going to bring the Sabers
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  Speaker 1: in an eight year contract. The Sabers do end up
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  Speaker 1: getting a third round pick in return for his rights,
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  Speaker 1: along with forward David Camp, who, for you guys wondering,
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  Speaker 1: is a pending unrestricted free agent, so the Sabers can
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  Speaker 1: choose to let him walk or possibly sign him in
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  Speaker 1: the next week. But considering that the Toronto Maple Leafs
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  Speaker 1: and Tampa Bay Lightning deal and the Darren Radish rights
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  Speaker 1: sign and trade type deal, Tampa Bay only got a
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  Speaker 1: fifth round pick for Radish, So for the Sabers to
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  Speaker 1: get a third round pick for Tuck, I'm taking that
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  Speaker 1: run in all day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, the third round pick again, obviously with it
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  Speaker 2: being twenty twenty seven, probably upped it a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And just nothing against Radish, who's been really solid the
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  Speaker 2: last three years, but this last year was kind of
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  Speaker 2: his first year as break terms. Yeah, Tuck has more
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  Speaker 2: of a track record, so I kind of get that.
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  Speaker 2: The David Camp is extremely interesting because, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: he's appending UFA. There's no ties to him at all.
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  Speaker 2: But it is curious. It's not like Washington had to
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  Speaker 2: clear out a spot on their roster. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: they were at A. He doesn't have as far as
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he technically has a contract until July first,
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  Speaker 2: which makes sense, But I didn't think they were at
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  Speaker 2: the contract limit or anything like that. So I am
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  Speaker 2: a little curious as to what throwing him in means, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if Yarmo actually has plans to sign
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  Speaker 2: him or if it was just hey, send me someone's
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  Speaker 2: rights just in case, let's say Beth Mallenstein doesn't come down.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm a little curious with the David
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  Speaker 2: Camp of it all. But in terms of the Alex
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  Speaker 2: Tuck thing, yeah, I mean for me, it was always
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  Speaker 2: it was never really about the AAV for Tuck. It
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  Speaker 2: was always really just about the term. We knew Tuck's
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  Speaker 2: market right when, you know, not Connor, but Connor signed
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  Speaker 2: for twelve million at the start of the year. Kempe
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  Speaker 2: signed for ten point six, and the Kempey one was
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  Speaker 2: kind of like a perfect comparison for Tuck. Very similar production,
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more like similar in age and things
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  Speaker 2: like that. So when talk when Kempey got ten point six,
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  Speaker 2: he kind of figured that would be what Tuck would get.
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  Speaker 2: We'll say Washington was not a team I even remotely
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  Speaker 2: considered it for Alex Duck. I assumed it was either
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  Speaker 2: Buffalo or somewhere out west, And for whatever I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Something's cooking in Washington. Apparently they're tuck signed there and
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  Speaker 2: wanted to go there for eight years, apparently more than anything,
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  Speaker 2: because it didn't really seem like again, you never know
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  Speaker 2: who signing trades if anyone else is actually an audit
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  Speaker 2: or interested, but Washington being the team that emerged, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was a little bit of a shock.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they just are hoarding right wings right now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, apparently they're gonna move Ryan Leonard to the
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  Speaker 1: left wing because they've got Tom Wilson. They just traded
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  Speaker 1: for Jordan Cayrou and now just did a signing trade
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  Speaker 1: with Alex Tuks. So Washington, I guess, is trying to
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  Speaker 1: have a few final good years for Ovechkin. Maybe, But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Washington kind of came out of nowhere for me too.
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  Speaker 1: I was figuring there's gonna be like a Calgary or
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  Speaker 1: Seattle or somebody like that. But he stays in the
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  Speaker 1: East Coast. And again, like he earned the right to
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  Speaker 1: get paid, he was underpaid in his last contract with
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  Speaker 1: the biggest goal of the Knights, and again it was
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  Speaker 1: just not right for both sides. We knew Buffalo wasn't
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  Speaker 1: going to pay him, you know, the market value considering
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  Speaker 1: he's the best free agent available in a very weak
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  Speaker 1: free agent class this season, so he almost knew that
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  Speaker 1: this was writing on the wall and that he was.
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  Speaker 1: If the Sabers would have been out of the playoff push,
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  Speaker 1: she probably would have been dealt at the deadline, but
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  Speaker 1: they kept him with an inner rental and like Tuck
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  Speaker 1: had five good years as a Saber, he was major
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  Speaker 1: part of that Jack Eichel trade with Vegas and coming
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  Speaker 1: home to play for his hometown team. But it just
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  Speaker 1: was the right time for both sides to move on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it kind of bode goes back to again
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  Speaker 2: nothing not to live in the past, but this one particularly,
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  Speaker 2: we can you could almost say the same for the
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  Speaker 2: Bier mom but specifically the Tuck one was seems like
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  Speaker 2: a direct consequence of just Kevin Adams dragging his feet
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  Speaker 2: a little bit over his last couple of years as
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  Speaker 2: a gem of the Sabers because one didn't do enough
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  Speaker 2: to get the team over the top when Tuck was
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  Speaker 2: on a value like a very good, team friendly deal,
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  Speaker 2: and then last summer when it felt like Tuck was
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  Speaker 2: willing to extend even though things had not gone well
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  Speaker 2: at all. It just never got done, and by the
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  Speaker 2: time Yarmo took over, it felt like it was just
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  Speaker 2: not too late. Like I'm not saying I will not
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  Speaker 2: say a bad word about Alex Tuck at all. He
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  Speaker 2: like you said, he was on a team friendly deal,
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  Speaker 2: Like when he signed with Vegas it was nothing but
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  Speaker 2: a good soldier when he got to Buffalo help break
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  Speaker 2: the drought and everything, and at thirty years old, was
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  Speaker 2: finally getting a chance to maximize his career earnings. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame him at all for that, but it
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  Speaker 2: is very It's gonna be one where I look back
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  Speaker 2: and be like, if Kevin Adams gonna got this done,
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  Speaker 2: what would that contract have looked like? Like if he
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  Speaker 2: would have got it done last July first, would it
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  Speaker 2: have only been nine million dollars. I don't know, it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't really matter. It moved on, but it's just one
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  Speaker 2: of those ones where I was just like, this one
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  Speaker 2: felt like a direct consequence of Kevin Adams kind of
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  Speaker 2: not really doing his job properly, and that just kind
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  Speaker 2: of is what it is. I mean, Y almost had
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  Speaker 2: it today. I no disrespect to Alex Tuck, but we
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  Speaker 2: feel like we have a lot of good players on
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  Speaker 2: this roster who can fill in for him. So and
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  Speaker 2: I know it's kind of funny because when Kevin Adams
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  Speaker 2: said growth from within, we all kind of like, what
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  Speaker 2: the heck are you talking about? But it is pretty
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  Speaker 2: evident how much more willing fans, including like myself, are
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  Speaker 2: willing to believe that, because we've seen Oaceland and Hellnious
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  Speaker 2: kind to step up in big moments. So it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: feel extremely crazy. And the Savers have so many assets
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  Speaker 2: in so much cap space to make a move, and
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  Speaker 2: they clearly have a GM who is aggressive and will
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  Speaker 2: try to make those moves. So the Tuck deal sad
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  Speaker 2: to see him go glad we didn't sign it. If
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  Speaker 2: that makes any sense.
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  Speaker 1: No, it does absolutely, And I mean, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: glass half full, glass half empty. I mean, would you
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  Speaker 1: have loved to have him, sure, But when it comes
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  Speaker 1: down to you know, contracts, an eight year deal for
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  Speaker 1: a thirty year old a ten point five million and
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  Speaker 1: as you mentioned, the emergence of guys like like Hellnoose
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  Speaker 1: and Drawn a Blank, Benson.
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  Speaker 2: Beyea and even in the Leach is a Villa Yarma
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  Speaker 2: mentioned by name specifically, which I thought was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, Yuriko Leach is also a name to mention as well.
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  Speaker 1: Like they've got guys that are continuing to go through
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  Speaker 1: the pipeline here and then whatever they use with the
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  Speaker 1: fourth overall pick, who knows even if they're going to
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  Speaker 1: use it or trade it. But like again, like they've
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  Speaker 1: got the guys to be able to fill the spot
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  Speaker 1: at cheaper rates because you know that they're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: some contracts coming up here. And then you know, Tuck
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  Speaker 1: and Byrom and being off the roster, that just two
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  Speaker 1: things you have to worry about less. Now obviously you
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  Speaker 1: have to try to replace them. But if you're going
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  Speaker 1: to replace from within, you know, I guess that's what
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  Speaker 1: their their plan is. And you know, Tucks of polarizing
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  Speaker 1: figure at times like the season, right because great first
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  Speaker 1: round of the playoffs, second round of the playoffs didn't
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  Speaker 1: even have a point. You know, Like he was a
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  Speaker 1: guy that came to Buffalo and waved the flag when
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  Speaker 1: nobody else wanted to wave the flag. Right when he
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  Speaker 1: came here from Vegas. He basically said in the prescovert
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  Speaker 1: he was talking to a family member and said, throw
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  Speaker 1: it all your Vegas gear. You know, I'm in Buffalo now,
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  Speaker 1: like he really took a lot of pride when the
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  Speaker 1: team was in a drought. You know, he was a
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  Speaker 1: part of the team making their first playoffs and in
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  Speaker 1: fifteen seasons. So honestly, I have no negative things to
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  Speaker 1: say about Alex Tuck either. I just didn't want him
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  Speaker 1: resigned at the money and the term. But that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean he didn't like the player and didn't like what
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  Speaker 1: he brought in the locker room and brought in the community.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, one hundred percent. This will be, uh, I think,
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  Speaker 2: a widely celebrated player when he returns to Buffle. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think there will be any ifs answer butts about that.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Glad he got his payd a glad. Yarmo has seemingly
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: passed his first Big Four tests with flying colors. If
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: you go to the Dome contract, Benson contract, Tuck situation
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: in Byron situation has seemed to have hit them out
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: of the park, which is good because I know some
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: players or fans were getting antsy, myself included. Mine was
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: only just because of jealousy. I saw other teams making
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: moves and was like I wanted on the fun. But
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Yarmo has come out swinging, and I feel like he's
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: not done. I feel like there's there's a lot more
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: to do or a lot more that's going to be done.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Yess I should say yeah. And the camp part is
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: interesting interesting to me too, Austin, because like I.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Wonder if best Ballenstein insurance.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: That's what I was about to say, is it is
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: it almost an insurance for somebody that's leaving.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they have Beck's rights until July first, along
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: with camps, but it could be like we're gonna go
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: back real quick over the next day or so if
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: his ask is still a little bit too rich for us,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: we can go to David camp. Like, I don't know
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: how much people follow it, but like the Contract to Predictions,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I think it's AFP. They're usually pretty bang on campus.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Is only like it's like a vat minimum, which you know,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: if back no offense to Beck Mallain sign who is
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: a player that has become a fan favorite, if someone's
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: willing to you know, Vancouver is willing to give him
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: four million on the open market. As much as I
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: love Beck, Maleenstein can't do that. Sorry, Like just camp,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: So like I wonder if it's just we're going to
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: try to get Beck signed in the next couple of days.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: If his ass is a little too rich from us,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: we'll pivot to Camp because again funny Camp has versatility,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: but he's a center, sabers having a lot of centers,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of bottom six centers. So it was it
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: was interesting that his name was on there, because, like
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I said, I don't think it was a situation where
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I looked, the Capitals didn't have a full roster and
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: they weren't maxed out on contract, So curious why his
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: name was on there. I would have been just everyone
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: was just fine with the third round in twenty twenty seven.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: So seeing his name I think was a little bit
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: of a like, oh, that's interesting.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Camp's thirty one, six foot two, one hundred ninety eight pounds.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: We've seen him play, you know, player yep. I mean,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Lee fans liked him a little bit. I mean when
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: he when he was playing with them. You know, he's
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna get out of the guy,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Like he's fourth line player, you know, not gonna ship
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: in too much. But you know, if you can get
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: him at a vet minimum, maybe he's an effective player.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know he was on Washington. To be
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: honest with you, I had no idea he was on.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: He was Toronto, they cut him, he went to Vancouver,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: and then I think Vancouver traded him at the deadline.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: It was yeah, yeah.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, year for him. So yeah, David Camp,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: we'll see if he's a Buffalo Saber come July first.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: But uh, let's move on to the other obvious big
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: deal and big uh big swing that the Armochik line
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: was able to able to splash so far the splash,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: we'll call it unbelievable. And in full disclosure, I was
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: in the movies last night and my home was blowing up.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I had to turn it on do not disturb, and
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I thought, like something bad happened, And all of a sudden,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I get out and I get a text from you
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: saying a lot happened, and I'm like just sending the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: eyes emoji and then I look and it's like this
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: trade comes through. It's like unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, Chicago
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Blackhawks and Kyle Davidson decide to trade for bowem byrom Yeah. Yeah,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: So bowm Biram and Jordan Greenway go to the Chicago
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Blackhawks for the fourth overall selection in the upcoming NHL
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: draft on Friday, along with the second round pick, which
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I believe is forty fifth overall and a serviceable defenseman
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: that's played in the National Hockey League. So yeah, I mean,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and we'll get into your most comments a little bit later,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: but the initial reaction here was that Buffalo fleeced Chicago. Yes,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: and I know we'll get into a lot of it there,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: but what were your initial thoughts on this move and
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: what you think it means for Buffalo here?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I'll I'll just go straight to
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: the move. We'll talk about, like you said, your most
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: comments and Byron himself after this. But when I saw
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: the Freedman tweet of Buffalo and Chicago have ver intensifying
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: talks on bow and Byrom, I was not hopeful because
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: there was not a lot on Chicago's roster that I
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: actually had my eye on. I was like, what is this?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Is this going to be a Sam Rinzel and Tyler
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Bertuzzi package, which is fine but not anything remotely fun.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: And then the you know, I think it was like
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: half hour later that we finally saw like the first
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: reports of what a return was going to be and
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: when I saw a first round pick before Freedman or
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Sarah Valley, someone out there said first round pick is involved.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, they only have one first round
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: pick and it's fourth overall, so my brain was, okay,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: it's a twenty twenty seven. Don't love that. And then
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Friedman and Sarah Valley both put out, yeah, the fourth round,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the fourth overall pick is involved, and immediately right there
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, this is a very fun trade
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: for the Sabers. And then the more details that just
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: kept coming out just kept pushing it towards a home
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: run for Yarmo fourth overall Louis Crevier, who is a
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Logan Stanley replacement but has a little bit more upside
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: than Logan Stanley and is not I don't think his
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: lows will be as low as Logan Stanley was. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: then it came out they were taken on Jordan Greenway's contract,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: and then it came out that we were also getting
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: the forty fifth overall selection, and it was the first
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: time in a long time that I can remember, but
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: not only was every Sabers fan celebrating, but the entire
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: hockey world was just like, I don't understand what Chicago
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: was doing. And let me get this very clear. That
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: is not a shot at bow and Birom Bowen. Byrom
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: will be the slam dunk number one defenseman in Chicago.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Is he a number one defenseman? I don't know, but
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: he's getting what he wanted. There is no competition for
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: top power play. There is no competition for the number
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: one spot in Chicago. It is him. Nothing against Flastic,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: nothing against Kort Chiinsky, nothing against levsh Like, nothing against
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: these people. Right now, bow and Biron is their best defenseman.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know if that's a good thing for
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Chicago because Byron was very effective when being Dollion's sidekick,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and that's not a slight. Being Dollion's sidekick is it
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: would be a very fun role. But this is what
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: he wanted. And thank you to Kyle Davidson for taking
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: nearly ten million dollars in cap space away from the
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Sabers and for giving us the fourth overall pick, which
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: can be used to add an elite prospect to the
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Sabers team who made the playoffs last year, or can
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: be used to flip because dear God, I don't I
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: don't fully understand it from Chicago's side, but it's it's
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: it was. It was the most fun I've had on
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Twitter in a long time, and that includes the Sabers
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: breaking their drought and winning the first round. It was
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: just an extremely fun Twitter night for every for hockey fans,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: but specifically Sabers fans.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And I mean, if you look at it, Jordan Greenway
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: for a second round pick, I mean you're able to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: get that, get him off the roster essentially for one
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: more year.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been tough. I honestly was a
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: little bit surprised that we didn't have to add in
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a draft pick. I know, again, the cap went up
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: as much as it did meant people had cap space
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: to spare, so like getting these cap dumps was probably
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: not going to cost what it usually did. But I
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: at least thought it, you know, when it was fourth overall,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: forty fifth overall in Crevier for Byron and Greenway, like,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: did we did we have to give up twenty? Like?
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Did we have to give them something we didn't? I'm
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: not going to say I can rationalize it from a
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Blackhawks side. I know we're at a Blackhawks thing, but
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: like they need good players now if they want to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: somehow take a step no offense to Bow and bironm
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think adding Bow and Byron makes them a
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: more competitive team than they were last year, as you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: as offensively dynamic as he can be at times, but
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: from the Sabers perspective, it became very clear, especially with
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Yarmo today, Byron did not want to extend here, not
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: because he hated Buffalo or anything like that. It was
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: just simply, I want to be a number one guy.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: He's already got a Cup winning. Obviously he wants to
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: keep winning, but it's not like he's going to be
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: chasing a Cup for his entire career. He wants to
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: cash in and play a ton and he's going to
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: get to do that in Chicago. I don't think he's
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: gonna win anytime soon, but he's gonna get what he wants,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: and Buffalo is able to get huge value for a
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: player who made it clear he was gone after this year.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And I know Yarmo would also mention. And we're going
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to actually play a little bit of Yarmo's press conference
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: right after this in a little bit just going over
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the Byron in the tough comments because there were a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: couple of things I really want to touch on that
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: he talked about. But one part was that some players
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: have taken Buffalo off of their no trade list. Yes,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: so that is also a plus that Buffalo is becoming
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit more of a destination, as Yarmo will
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: mention that we'll hear about. You know, Biram wanted to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: be a number one defenseman. He's been stuck in the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: shadow of Kill mccarr in Colorado. He's now stuck in
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the shadow of Rasmus Dallen here in Buffalo. So, as
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you mentioned, whether he is a number one defenseman or not,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: he believes he is. I'm surprised from the sh Chicago
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: standpoint that there was not an extension eminent fear.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think they were allowed to because Byron wasn't
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: even allowed to talk to Buffalo for an extension until
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: July first, I don't think because he's technically in the
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: first year of his second I don't know. It's very weird.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Clearly there is back channels where they probably were talking already.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: He even said today in this introductory zoom, I haven't
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: taught contract yet, but I'm going to be here for
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: a long time, so I think Chicago had a pretty
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: solid idea. But I just don't think legally CBA they
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: were allowed to do this. But it would have been
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: very funny if there was no If there was no
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: extension coming and we got all that for Byron, that
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: would have been even worse for Blackhawks fans.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: And especially with what the rumored AAV is going to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: be for Byron in his next contract. It's looking to
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: be around twelve and a half to thirteen million potentially
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: per season, and Buffalo just was not going to be
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: in a position to do that with what they're paying
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: dollen Power Samuelson, Like they couldn't lock up a second
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: pair defenseman for thirteen million a year.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: No, listen, I don't whatever. I don't think there was
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: any chance they were paying him more than dollying, whereas
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I think Chicago will pay him more than Dollian. So
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: it just it is what it is. Like I said,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: he the top four was lightning in a bottle for
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Buffalo last year. It was clearly their play driver. It
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: was their heart and soul. It sucks to lose Byron
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: because he is a very good offensive defenseman, but when
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: you still are bringing back three out of that top four.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: That's a good thing. And I thought it was pretty
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: notable that Kacklin and straight up said we're looking for
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: a Byron replacement already, which I mean, he didn't have
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to say that, but he did, so I thought that
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: was pretty notable.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're gonna have to find another number
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: four defenseman, right like we were. We'll talk about the
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: kessel Ring trade. Like you treat you, you moved out
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to defencemen, so you almost think that they're going to
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: be in the market for one. It doesn't sound like
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Crevier's going to be like you said, he's gonna be
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: a third pair of guy at most, another big defenseman,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: which seems to be Yarmo's mo o in his trades
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and acquisitions, just acquiring you know, tree unks back there.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: But that can skate. Crevier, you know, he was a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: seventh round pick back in twenty twenty but almost a
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: good story and played some games for Chicago and seems
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: like he can skate for a player his size, which
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: is pretty rare being at the size that he is.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: So we'll see sort of how he fits into Buffalo here.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But with the return of getting fourth overall, and the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: second round pick for a cap dump of Greenway and Byron,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: who wasn't going to resign after this season anyway. I
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: don't think you've got to come up with a better
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: dream scenario for Buffalo here.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: No, and again, nothing against Crevier, nothing against the Blackhawks.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I Thinkrevy is very serviceable player, but it was notable
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: when Blackhawks fans were like, he was literally our best
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: defenseman at times last year. Again, nothing against Crevier, nothing
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: that's to Blackhawks. He does not need to be anything
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: close to a Maybe there's times where he's got to
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: step up into the top four, maybe depending on what
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yarbo does. But clearly he is going to be the fifth, sixth,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: seventh defenseman here, and I like the skill set that
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: brings for that role. If he is Logan just straight
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: up a Logan standard replacement, I'll be it right handed
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: instead of left handed. I am fine with that. I
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: am fine with Crevier playing on the third pair. Watching
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: some of his tape and things like that. He's big,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: he's physical, he likes to fight, he's got a big
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: shot literally Logan stand so I'm cheap, way cheer, yeah,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: way cheaper. I am fine with that. Yeah, so getting
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: that on top of the two picks and clearing up
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the cap space. Home run remains to be seeing what
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: happens next, but that's what we'll talk about it a
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: little bit later. But yeah, I mean so far off
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: and running. Liked every move that yar mode. And now
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: the fun part is every move that comes now is
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: basically going to be an addition for the Sabers.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Yep, it will be. Let's go to Yarmokeka. Linon's quick
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: thoughts here about three or four minutes from earlier today,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: speaking with the media down in Buffalo at the Bills
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: headquarters where the Sabers are hosting their draft with it
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: being decentralized even though they are the hosts, and he
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: discusses the boem Byrom and Alex Tuck moves. Let's hear
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: what he had to say from today.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Are you getting to these situations that you've seen around
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the league now that players have the right to become
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: ufa unrestricted free agent in this case a year from.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Now, and and.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: You know, we we liked Boneen bire him a lot
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: and wanted to resign him. That wasn't going to happen,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: and so we had to make a decision, and and
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: the deal that we had in front of us, and
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: a couple of deals but we had in front of
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: us were too good to pass on. So we made
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: the trade. And now we have some draft capital that
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: we can use to improve our team, whether it's in
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: the near future with the trade, through a trade or
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: or by making a pick. But we'll weigh all those
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: options until the draft time and and make make another
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: decision or two.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: He didn't want to negotiate.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: He wasn't going to sign with us, so didn't leave
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: us an option to to do anything else. But this well,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: we tried to convince Bone to stay. That was the
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: first priority, and we did that basically. I was working
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: on that during the whole a year. And and and
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: you know, because I thought his role was big on
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: a team he played twenty two twenty three minutes only
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: the power play play time was the difference between Rasmus
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Dealin who who had the most nice time on the
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: team on d But you know, he, uh, he wanted
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: to get a chance to be a number one defenseman.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I respect that he has a year left before he
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: gets to a free agency and and uh uh, you
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: know that's that's when the players have a lot of
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: power and now you see that sometimes even two years
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: left in the contract where a sort of make a
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: power move and and make it well known that they're
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: not signing an extension. And then then the more term
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: that you have left, the better value you can get
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: for a player. In this case, we had one more
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: year left before his free agency, and we we feel
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: like we got very good value. Well, yeah, that's in
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: this case. That always comes with the with the territory
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: that they want to know if they can get them resigned,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: and you know, if that didn't happen, they would have
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: been in the same situation that we were, so that
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: would have affected the trade. Every team that we talked
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: to basically wanted to know if he was going to
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: resign with him. So, but I'll leave that up to
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Chicago to talk about. I think that's a question for
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: him more than me. We we wanted to sign him.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: The one thing that I've always said that is, you know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: it depends on the contract. Obviously, with a thirty year
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: old player, there's there's risk involved. If you want to
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: go max term eight years, it still is. Then there's
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the money and and we're tight on cap. This summer
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: because of the we have that Skinner buy out counting
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: six and a half million against our cap just this year.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Then we'll get into a lot better situation a year
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: from now. But but the AAV counts all eight years
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: and and so that's something that we needed to consider,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: is that, Okay, if we signed him to a certain number,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: does this now mean that we have to take two
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: or three, maybe four players off our roster to make
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: it work cap wise. And so that that was a
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: balancing act with our take on things. And you know,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: it's he's a good player, but we have we have
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: a lot of faith in our group and and he's
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: he's going to be missed, but but we'll be fine. Yeah,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I think we have a pretty good idea. So now
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: now it's it's just looking at it if we can
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: get some massive value back for somebody that wants to
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: sign him, and we can do a sign and trade
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: and and get get at least something in return.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: There was sabers Jar manager Yarmo key line and speaking
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: with the media earlier today video and audio video and
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: audio courtesy of w g r z t V, Austin
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the last part, there was a little bit about the
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: signing trade, which ended up happening with Alex Stuck later
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: in the day. But what were your thoughts from what
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Yarmo said there, it was he was pretty uh, he's
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: pretty honest about both the buyer MA and the Tuk
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: situations and that they weren't they just weren't comfortable with
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: what the kind of money that they wanted.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for Tucky, I think it was a combination of
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: term and dollars, right. He even said, he's like when
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: you have a thirty year old and you go max term,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: there's risk involved, which is kind of what anyone who
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: was against signing Tuck. That was basically an argument, right, Like,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I love Tuck, He's a great player. I'm not saying
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: he's not worth ten and a half million. I just
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: can't give him. I just I'm very leary of giving
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: him eight years with Byram, I honestly am a little shocked.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: There was just no like, no, I want to go somewhere.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I'm number one. I thought maybe if you offer him
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the ten mil that he was looking for, maybe you
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: could convince him to stay. The Armold made a good point, like,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: aside from power Play one, he was playing all things considered,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: a top pair role defenseman, clearly the power play one,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and that extra couple minutes of ice time at even
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: strength is what he is looking for and he's gonna
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: get it, and it'll be interesting to see what his
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: contract looks like. But like Yarma said, you got to
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: find a way to maximize the value of players in
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: these situations, and I think he did. Getting what you
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: got for Byron was awesome. And getting a third rounder,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: even if it's next year and a potential rights to
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: a guy you might look at signing it, just a
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: third rounder alone is good because Toronto only had to
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: give up a fifth for Darren Radish. And I know,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: like I said, two different types of players, but a
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: third next year versus a Firth this year, like a
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: fifth this year versus a third next year. I think
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: he did very good on those two situations.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: And those are the two best free agents available talking Radish,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: and now they're both off the market, so that makes
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: it even even less of a free agent class that
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: we knew was going to be fireworks in the trade market.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Because of this free agent class, there wasn't just a
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: there wasn't enough impact players for teams that are really
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: making it to looking to make big rides and big,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: big moves this offseason to improve their team. When you
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: look at the free agent list, there just really isn't
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that many players that are going to make that big
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: of a difference. Even the Alex Tucks, and they are
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: in rashes of the world, you know, have question marks
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: as well, So not that they're off the board, and
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: we knew that those two were going to get paid
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: just based off of that alone.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of the thing we've been saying the
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: whole time was it's why I thought Tuck one, it
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: would go to the market. If I'm being honest, this
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: is your year to maximizing the classes week. He didn't
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: go to market, but he got the money he was
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: looking for from Washington. Not a whole lot left in
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: terms of difference makers. There's obviously players to sign, but
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: it just feels like, again, there's gonna be a ton
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: more trades happening rather than free agency. You know, whether
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: you look at there's like the John Carlson's of the world,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: or he'll get a nice short term contract with some
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: big money. I'm sure there's the Anders lead. These are
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: all older veteran guys who can't help your team. But
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: these are not guys that are gonna like, I'm sorry,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I can't say that, because we don't know what the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: heck is gonna happen. Charlie Coyle got a six year
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: deal from Columbus. These are not guys that typically you
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: would say, oh yeah, I'm gonna hand out huge contracts too.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: But we know what happens on free agency, so it's
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: gonna be very interesting to see who picks and chooses
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: to add via free agency versus what trades are still
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: out there to be made. But I think in the
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: early test that, like I said earlier, Yarmo has passed
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: all of his early test this offseason, and now time
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: for hopefully it's time for some fun, because now it's
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: time for him to go hunting. Whether he trades the
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: fourth overall pick, whether he trades the twentieth overall pick,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: whether he trades some young players on this team, he's
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: got a lot of options. And if you know what
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: he said about the no trade clause holds true, there's
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: some players that were not normally typically available to Sabers
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Sabers fans that we can start looking at because there
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: were start to become a little bit more taken serious
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: around the league. So it's hopefully going to be a
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: fun week and a half to two weeks up here.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, when you look at what's available
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and what's not available in the free agent list, you
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: almost wonder. You know, it's got to come from the
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: trade market, and you know, Yarmo, he's already shown that
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: he's not afraid to make big swings, and you expect
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: one coming to Buffalo here. The other trade from a
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: little bit while ago. This seems like three weeks ago
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: considering what else has happened. But Michael kessel Ring, you know,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: we know sort of what happened with him being in
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Lindy's doghouse throughout the rest of the season, didn't really
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: play got into that one playoff game where he played
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: like under eight minutes or something like that. Just was
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: not a guy that ended up being in the long
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: term plans. After we thought he was going to be
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the centerpiece of the JJ Pitturk trade to Utah, which
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: luckily landed them Josh don in the deal, who ends
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: up being the major part of that. But they move
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: him to a team in San Jose that I follow
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: pretty closely. They need, you know, NHL types of defenseman.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Michael Kesterering could even potentially play top pair depending on
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: what they do, but at least a defenseman for the
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: San Jose Sharks is a right shot. And Buffalo flip's
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: first round picks with the Sharks their second first because
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: obviously the Sharks picks second overall, but they flipped them
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: number twenty for twenty seven and Michael Kessel Rings. So
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Buffalo moves up seven spots there and finds a new
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: home for a defenseman that has shown that he can
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: be a top four and we'll have every opportunity with
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: a young Sharks team.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was kind of something we assumed was going
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: to happen. I honestly thought, especially when I thought Bowen
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Byron was still part of this long term future, I
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: didn't think Husting had any shot of staying here. He's
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: a pro, right, he wants to have a bigger role,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: kind of like Byron did, and I didn't think he
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: would be happy sticking around on a third pair role
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: or fighting for a roster spot. Basically, especially with the
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: arbitration rights, you don't want to pay that type of
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: player the money. He probably would have been awarded, and
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: just kind of everything you heard about him after he
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: was healthy and not getting in the line up, it
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: kind of felt like there was a bit of a action there.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: So you know, I thought maybe you'd be able to
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: get a second or third round pick for him. You
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: kind of got that based off evaluation of twenty seven
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: to twenty it's it's about equivalent of a mid to
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: late round second pick. So decent work there from Yarmo
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: on a player who was just looking for a fresh
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: start and asked for a fresh start. So good value there.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: And you know, the almost spent a lot of draft
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: capital at the trade deadline and he's done a decent
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: He's sorry, decent is underselling it. He's done a very
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: good job of recouping the draft capital that he spent.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: And this Kestling trade was kind of the first one
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: that kind of started everything off.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: And we thought that the Sabers would trade number twenty seven,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: but it was maybe for something. But they end up
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: moving up in the draft, so they've got at the
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: time of recording this, they're picking four and twenty on
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Friday night, so it'll be interesting there. But again, this
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: is a nice trade for San Jose as well. I
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: think they get kessel Ring almost at a bargain, I
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: would say, for only seven spots for what they were
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: looking for, a right shot. And again he was a
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: main piece of the j. J. Perturka trade last summer,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: but Josh Doone obviously has become a major part of
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: that as well. So obviously Kevin Adams deserves some flowers
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: and making sure that Josh Stone was part of that
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: trade when it was just originally kessel Ring, but it
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: just seemed like he was not going to be part
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: of the long term future. He was passed on the
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: depth chart, it felt like by guys like Logan Stanley
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: and even like Luke Schen and Zach Metza, right, So
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: unfortunately for kessel Ring, but he's gonna have a great
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: opportunity out there in San Jose. So that was the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: final trade there. So Austin will get to the juicier
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: stuff here. The rumors, everything that's going on right now.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: It's been a wild already NHL offseason, and I'm sure
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: it's gonna ramp up before Friday's Round one and even
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Round two on Saturday, leading into NHL Free agent frenzy.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: But a lot of options for the Sabers here. We've
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: heard names flying around if they do decide to trade
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the picks or they select four and twenty. We've heard
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the Connor Hellibucks, the Matthew Knives, the Vinton Trochecks today.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: But what are your just initial thoughts on what you
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: think they're going to do with four and twenty hit,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: whether they select it or trade it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I don't really know what they're gonna do. I am
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: of the ilk of keep for trade twenty, mostly just
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: because one drafting in the top four I know isn't
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: always an exact science. The top four pick could be
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: very good, can be very bad. But when you're the
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: saver reas and you just made the playoffs and you
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: have the potential to add a very I don't think
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: it's a stretch to say what would be your Maybe
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: it would be your immediately your top prospect in your organization,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: depending on how you view like Benson's not a prospect.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Hellany snoslon are not prospects anymore. So like this kid
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: you took it forth overall, whoever it is, would be
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: your immediate top prospect. And on the flip side, I'm
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: not advocating for trading a guy like an Oaceland or
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: a cool each or something like that. But when you're
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: adding a top four pick, it does make that a
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: little bit more palatable if you're gonna go big game hunting.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: So I am of the opinion where you should draft
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: at fourth and trade twentieth. At the very least, you
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: should hold for as long as possible to see how
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: the board falls. Not saying this is going to happen.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: There is a zero point zero one percent chance of
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: this happening. But in a world where potentially ivar Stenberg
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: could be available at fourth overall, adding a player like
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: that is a home run. Or if you look at
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: the forward who could be available at four, whether it's
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Byork who is a just built in a lab to
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: be a Buffalo Saber based off the type of player
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: that they love, or a Kale Malhultra who has a
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: lot of high end center potential as well. So I
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: just think keeping four allows you so many options to
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: extend the length of your potential window while also having
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: currency like twentieth, forty fifth and some young players to
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: make your team better to capitalize on the immediate future.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: And I think, honestly it's all going to depend on
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: san Jose at two, whether they pick Stenberg or whether
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: they pick Chase Reed, I think is really going to
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: make the board fall. We know the Malho connection to Vancouver,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: that seems like all the stars will align for him
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: to be there at three for them. But if Stenberg
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: falls to three, does that pivot Vancouver to select Stenberg
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: ahead of Melhood, leaving malholtre in at number four for
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Buffalo or potentially Chase Reid if San Jose doesn't take
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: him at number two and they really need a defenseman,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: although clearing out Eckland to basically move in Stenburg, Like,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: there's so many moving parts to this, but I think
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: san Jose at two is the wild card and how
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: they're going to be the domino effect of how the
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: rest of this thing goes.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think, Sorry, I don't obviously know
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: what they're thinking of. In my personal opinion, it's Stenberg.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: It too like there's just there's no reason to overthink that.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I know people are saying they need a defenseman. Chase
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Reid's pretty solid, Carson Carroll's is really good, things like that,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: but I just don't think it's I don't think there's
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: any reason to overthink it. You take Stenburg with his potential,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: and then that makes it interesting at three and four
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: because we know the malculture connection to Vancouver and we
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: know now Buffalo has a shot at adding a true
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: potential blue chip forward prospect again into this organization while
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: also being a playoff team. So it's that's why I
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: think it's it's more fun to keep four because it
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: makes your long term future even better, and then you
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: have the pieces to make your short term future better.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: So unless someone knocks your socks off, there's no reason
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: to move. For as much as I love the Matthew Nyes,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can stomach trading four for him.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: As much as Connor Hallibuk is very fun, There's no
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: way I'm trading fourth overall for a goalie you mentioned Trocheck.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: No chance I'm trading four for Vincent Trocheck. The only
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: thing where I think maybe I could be entice is
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: if you're telling me Jason Robertson could be a Buffalo Stabra,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Sure you're gonna have fourth overall, but I still think
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: trade twenty and assets and keep four is the way
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: to go. And in terms of if they stick, at four.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: What are they gonna do? I don't know, because Yarmo
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: does like to do some off the board stuff in
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the first round, whether it was the Ye York Channikov
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: pick a couple of years ago and things like that.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: So a lot of options for Yarmol Kecklin and to
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: improve this team now and to make the future even stronger.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I agree. I think twenty should be dealt, whether it's
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: for somebody you know that it be the trade market
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: or well, it has to be the trade market, so
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I mean twenty to me, I think would be expendable
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: for they'd have to blow your socks off, as you mentioned.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: But again I think it all depends on what San
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Jose does at two. Reds twenty two brings up a
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: good point in the chat that with San Jose acquiring
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: the ninth overall pick from Ottawa, you almost wonder if
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: that's where they take their defense and whether it's you
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: knowsmits or you know what I mean, like either verr
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: hooff Smith's or Carrol's. If they fall to nine at
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: San Jose, I think they have to take Stenberg at two.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: But again the conversation's there and Mike Greer former Saber
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: has also been open to the possibility of making that trade.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: But I don't unless the Zach Wrensky's coming back. I
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: don't know if San Jose is trading that pick.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and as far as we know, the Lorensky meaning
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: is not happening till after the draft, which is a
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: bold strategy by Columbus.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean Buffalo at four. Realistically, if Chase
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Reed is there, do you take him or do you
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: go with B. York.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: As much as I like Chase Reid, I think, yeah,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: you gotta go B. Yorke. I think you gotta go B. Yorke.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: He fits the mold. He's a playmaking center who plays
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: a similar style to to Zach Benson and Constant Helenious
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: like I think that he is my guy. I would
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: not be upset about Malhotra I saying this, and I'm
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: not saying I would be on board for this or whatever.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I know Yarma likes to be a little off the board.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit too early for him for my liking.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I do really like Albert Smits. I just can't see
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: for being Smit's but I wouldn't hate that even if
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: it is a little bit of a reach, because I
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: really do like this style of hockey that he plays
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: and what he would bring. But I think you got
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: to go with one of those forwards if if you're
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: staying at four and they're available, which the two of
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: them are going to be available if the board falls
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: the way it's supposed to.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: But you you like the go Byork the.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: As Yeah, he is the guy. Yeah.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I mean if Malhultra for some reason doesn't go to Vancouver.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Like Malhotra a lot too.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And obviously if Stenberg fell to four, like you
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: run up to the.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Table, sty Stenburg falls.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: The four, and like with twenty in a in a
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: potential trade, like it's twenty available, Like does twenty get
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: you trocheck?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Should? I don't know. Yeah, listen, I with the trades
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: that went down the other day, I cannot even begin
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: to tell you what an actual proper evaluation is anymore.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Because simone Nemets fetched two first round picks. So yeah,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I would be willing to part with twenty for tro Check.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Is that enough to get it done? I don't know anymore?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Right, I saw mock today Mike Moreally of NHL dot
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Com has Verhoff going to Buffalo at four, which I
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: thought was very interesting.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: A little bit of a reach, a little bit of
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: a reach. But I do very much like Keaton Verov
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: He's raw, He's a raw prospect, right, he was a
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: goalie for the first half of his life. Right, So
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: you know at four, that's a little bit of a reach.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: But again, after we're getting outside the top you know
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: three or four players, it's notably a weaker draft, right,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Like in.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: There's Riarmo said it himself today. There's another fall off
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: at twenty, which is why he kind of wanted to
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: get up there.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Right, That's why you make the trade with San Joseta
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: move from twenty seven to twenty.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Right, So there's a yeah, there's a couple of there's
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: a couple of big drops in this first round. But
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: having a top four pick, like I do think if
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: you end up with a Buorich or Malhotra, you're sitting
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: pretty I'm not gonna They're not gonna be like the
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: why don't you never know? I'm not gonna sit here
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: and say we have a cal mccarr Mitch Marner style
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: fourth overall pick. But I think if you end up
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: with one of those two, you have a very very
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: very solid NHL prospect.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Now, my my other question to you is does this
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: change anything for redeem Merka. Now, obviously, with Byron being
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: moved kessel Ring being moved, we know he's probably gonna
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: need another year to in Rochester before he comes up
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: to play. You know, we knew that he was traded
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to Saint Louis and the Paraco deal, but it got mixed.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: So do you see a future here for redeem Merker?
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Do you still think that he's going to be a
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: main trade ship that Yarmo's gonna use at his disposal
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: if you were to take a defenseman like Chase read it.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: For Yeah, No, I think there's absolutely still a future
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: here for him. I'm not saying I'm not even saying
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: I would be thrilled or whatever. Part of me wonders,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: do you recall Saint Louis and try to get that
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Paraco deal done again? What does that deal look like
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: now now that Saint Louis has a better evaluation of
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: the market and defense are kind of going for crazy.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Is Merca in a first even enough to get that
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: done anymore? I don't know. I have honestly wondered if
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: they just revisit the Paraco deal.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Well, so you even want it though at this point,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's a right shot, top four defenseman. I
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: don't I'm not gonna sit here and say I love it.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: But I'm also not gonna sit here and say I
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: pooh poo it. I'm only bringing it up because it's
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: a deal that Yarmo did make. It was what was
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: a trade that happened, It just was mixed by a
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: no trade clause. So I'm I'm curious as to if
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: that's something that is revisited or does he pivot and
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: find another player. Again, not saying Buffalo is gonna trade
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: for this guy, but like based off guys that are
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: on the market, we know risk A Linen's name has
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: been floated out there, we know you know, are you
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: going big game hunting? Wrensky's name is out.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: There, Morgan Riley, he's going out west.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they already said, like, do you do
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: you find I don't know. I'm curious as to that
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: because even if Murka is still in this organization, I
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: don't think we're seeing him playing meaningful minutes for buffal
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: until he's twenty two, which is still two three years.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: From now, right, and if the fourth overall pick. Realistically,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: if it's not Stenberg, they're gonna be a while before
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: they make it.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, this is nothing. I'm not saying he should
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: be rushed or anything, but part of me wonders if
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: it ended up being like a Chase Reid who's comitted
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: to Michigan State next year as the fourth overall pick,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: is he signed next April when the college cheason is over.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he is or isn't. I'm just saying,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: like we know, with if it's a Chase Reid, the
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: route that he goes, usually you go to college your
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: year after you're drafted because that means you can sign
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: pro immediately. So, like i'd be curious if that's the
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: that's the case. That's not an immediate impact, but that
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: is someone you would be looking at. If Chase Reid
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: is Buffalo's draft pick, you probably have to factor him
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: into the lineup in the spring.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Steve Noble says in the chat he believes Klaber is
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: a gem on defense as well.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Claire is an absolute gem for sure, but at the
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: same time, if a team wants Klayber to get a
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: deal done as much as I like Claybor bye bye,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: like no offense. I'm not saying these players are good
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: or not, but we did also add McCarthy inster back
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: to the NHL roster or not, sorry, the NHL organization
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: last like a couple of months ago. We signed them
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: to their entry level deals. So like there are defense
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: in the system again, so I don't I don't know
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: that again Subdia having the fourth overall pick, if they
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: keep it, it could be any one of these guys,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: and I'm I'm probably happy with it. I'm just leaning
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: towards the forwards right now.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: And plus, like you've got Metsa, you've got Crevier now
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: as NHL defenseman, right So there could be another backlog there. Hey,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Ryan Johnson, he's technically still on the roster, isn't he
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: or in the organization or is he a pending RFA.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: No, he signed a three year deal last year.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: He was a guy we thought was going to be
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: a top four at one point, one more point on
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: the goaltending Austin. I know, lucan In, I forget uh.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I think it was today a tweet went out that Uh,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: theremos looking at possibilities for Lucan in do you think
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: that would have any any ramification on it? Possible Connor
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Hellibuck to Buffalo trade. We know Florida is going to
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: be you know, hot and ready onto that as well
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: when Bobrowski is gone with the move they just made
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: for Brady Kachuck, making the Atlantic even more difficult. So
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: would to Atlantic teams get in a bidding war with
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Winnipeg for the services of Connor Hellibuck? Like what like
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: would you want Hella bucket? What the price is going
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: to be most likely for Winnipeg and what do you
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: think the future is there with the other goalies if
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: that is a you know what Buffalo decides to do.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would want hellibuk U for sure. I know,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: I said I don't know if I would last time
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: we talked. The more I thought about it, it would just
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: be extremely fun to add that. But if hellibuk is
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: coming in, yeah, Lukenan's got to be going the other way.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: But just on Lucanan in general, I'm not I'm willing
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: to give him another year. He's a reasonable contract and
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: things like that. But if you are willing to listen
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: on him. It has to be for you, like a
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: bona fide upgrade. And like I said at the last
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: podcast that we did, the reason I'm skeptical of that
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: is there's like four goalies in the league that are
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: not in that middle tier of could be very good,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: could be very bad. And Hellibook's the only goalie available
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: out of those tiers. So if you can get Hellibuok done, sure,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: If not, don't have any Like he almost seems like
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: he's fine with running it back, but obviously he's not
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: gonna say he's not fine with running it back. So
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: he also said he wanted to sign Byral long term,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: and that was proved false within a month, so not
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: false within a month, but it didn't. He was gone
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: within a month. So I would be all in on Hell,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: but depending on the cost. Like I said, there's no
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: chance in hell I'm including the fourth overall pick, but
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Lucanan would have to be going the other way if
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: that's the case, and for five years left at like
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: eight and a half million for thirty three year old, Like,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I don't hate that, but I think the ads from
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Buffalo are going to be upfront and on defense.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: But I could be wrong because the top four d
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: and a top line right winger just went out the
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: door right with Byram. Yes, talk whether Thompson is going
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: to be a full time winger, that's also a discussion, obviously,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: if they bring in a tro checker a centerman. We
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: know Robert Thomas's name was thrown around, but it seems
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: like he's going to stay in Saint Louis for the
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: time being. So would you move Thompson to the wing
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: now and try to fill that center spot as a
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: full time You know that's so realistic. You're looking for
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: a number one center, not a number one winger.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, listen, I I'm not saying I love
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: this idea, but if we have a center spine, of
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: let's use Trocheck because that's a rumor out there, and
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's an unreasonable cost. It's not my face,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: it's not one of my top five options. But it's
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: also not something I'm going to be like, oh, this
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: is awful. Actually I shouldn't say, because I don't know
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: what he would cost. But if we had a Trocheck
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Norris mcleoud Carrick center spine, sure don't hate that Trocheck
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: was still effective at thirty three years old. Don't love it,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: but I don't hate it. I just think my favorite option,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: and it has a yarmo connection to it, is Kreel Marchenko.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: But I feel like that is going to be an
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: astronomical ass from Columbus if he actually is truly available.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: But I think you're either looking at that. I don't
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: love Mason McTavish. I don't know how truly available. Owen
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Tippett is Thomas I think is a no go. Like
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: these are the six forwards that have been kind of
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: out there. I think we're either looking at a Troe
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: check or or a Nie is something that's actually potentially
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: possible that's gonna happen.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: And he's a winger, right, So.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Nice is a winger, yeah, which means Cage's center, which
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: is fine. But just in terms of top six forwards,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: which we know they need, I think we're looking at
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Trocheck or Nis is the real possibilities. And to ask
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: for knives feels outlandish and it's not really at least
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: shou I was gonna say, but not really because look
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: at what the trade packages have been so like, it
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: feels like it's outlandish to me. But it's market value
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: based off what the heck we've seen go down, So
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know it'll be. It'll be very interesting to see.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: I the yarmo is saying we're actively looking for the
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: buyering replacement perked me up a little bit because I
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: was like, Oh, maybe his big splash move will be
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: defense and then we'll settle for not settle, well, maybe
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: pursue like a Trocheck level forward instead. I don't know
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: it'll be. He's got He's got what just under forty
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: eight hours now to before the draft starts, so got
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a deadline coming for him. And
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: it does seem like Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, and San Jose
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: seem to be the most active teams.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: And potentially Florida for Hellibuck.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah again, I just and they have to clear out
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: a contract. And unless I can't see Winnipeg being interested
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: in Evan Rodriguez, I feel like Winnipeg would want Lindell,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: and I just don't know if Florida would do that.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe they would. I mean, adding Hellibook to that team
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: would be crazy, but if it costs you your number
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: two center for a goalie, they're a smart team. They've
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: won two Cups, so I'm not going to question that.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: But value wise, it just doesn't seem smart. And Helli
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Book does seem willing. Based off every report I've seen,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: hell Book seems more willing to go to other teams
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: than these other guys do. He doesn't seem like Hellbook's
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: strong arming his way to Florida or Vegas.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have a three team no move clause.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it. Again, this could just be
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: quiet and not being reported, but it seems like he's
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: more willing to go to other Like the teams that
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Sarah Vali and Ferraro and all them have said for
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Hellbuck have been consistently like Detroit and Buffalo Florida. But
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: like the fact that Detroit and Buffalo are in on
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: that list makes me sound like Hellbuck is not pulling
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: up Brady.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Kuchuk right, And again like long term, probably not the
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: right decision, but short term they've got barkovn Bennett if
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: they do move Lundell, right, But yeah, that's they're trying
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: to win a Cup in the next two years. But
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: from Buffalo's perspective, I think the X factor here is
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Yuri Kulich could he fill in that number one center spot.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: We saw he did at times earlier in the year
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: before he got the blood clots. So, I mean, the
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Sabers do have options within, whether that's rushing the Helenus
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: or who leachs into that role. You know, you would
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: almost hope that they bring in, you know, a veteran
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: to kind of stabilize that. You know, Norris, I don't
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: know what his you know, long term future is on
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: this team. And Ryan McLeod is also a player in
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: the name that was thrown around in potential you know deals,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: if Buffalo were to make a trade with Saint Louis
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: and things like that.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like if the true ask for Hellibuk is
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: a top six center as part of the package, I mean,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: our options are Norris and McLoud, and I just don't
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's enticing to Winnipeg honestly, and
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: it's not a bad thing towards these guys, but on
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: the flip side, it feels like Winnipeg is not going
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: to be the type of team to start a tear
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: it down, So I don't know. Yeah, Norris is an
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: interesting one to me, just because the no trade clause
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: kicks in July first. Now, granted, it's only a ten
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: team no trade list, so it's not like it's that limiting,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: but I wonder if we see I don't know, because
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: if Norris isn't moved and the ten team no trade
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: clist kicks in, you limit yourself enough to where it's like, oh,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: the teams that are on that list would probably be
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: the teams that are. I don't know Norris is one,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: but Cloud's name was out there, But I wonder how
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: much of that was just I don't local media because
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: it was a hot topic on WGR, but I don't
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: know if I've actually seen his name out there on
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: the rumor mill by like any actual insiders. That's not
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: a guy I'm in a rush to trade either. I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: know he his playoff appearance and performances have been whatever.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: But a third line center who can put up fifty
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: points for you in the regular season is still extremely valuable.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: I have no issue if he's my fourth line center
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs. So not in a rush to move him.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily in a rush to move Norris, but Norris,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering with the no trade clause kicking in
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: and the health concerns. Is something going to happen there?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: That's a guy I'm looking at. But I get the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: feeling that a big ad on defense will be the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: way Yarmo goes, and a quality add up front, not
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: a star add up front anymore, because there's not a
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: lot of star forwards left.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: So I guess I was gonna leave you with final thoughts,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: you know, talks out. Byron's out, Castle rings out, Greenway's out,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Benson's re signed, maybe David camp is a is signed
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: as well. But I guess you know, what are your
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: thoughts here going into Friday? You know, pick and forth
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: picking twentieth. Do you think they're they're gonna keep it?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Do you think they're gonna trade it? What is your
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I guess, as we you know, close this thing out
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: with Buffalo hosting the draft, you know they're gonna want
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: to make a big splash, and you know, have the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: theatrics of everything there, So I guess, you know, just
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: a final thought, what do you think they're gonna do
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: on Friday? In possibly Saturday?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: I'll say this, it's a weird thing. As much as
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: we praise Yarmo for the work he's done, he's done
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: really good work. It's a weird spot where the Savers
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: have actually on paper gotten worse. They haven't gotten better
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: on paper yet, but I've liked everything that they've done.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: So my final thought is, I think Yarmo needs to
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: ramp up the aggression for ads going forward. I think
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: he's going to. He's pretty much hinted that he's going to,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: so you know, factoring in that factoring and I'm team
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: keep forward, Trade twenty and things like that. I would
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: expect over the next couple of days one or two
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: significant moves, whether it's a forward and a defenseman, defenseman
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: and a goalie, I don't I don't know, but I
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: would expect a couple more significant moves coming from Yarmo.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Like you said, we they love the theatrics of hosting
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: the draft and things like that. And now Buffalo went
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: from back round character at the draft to main player
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: because they have a top five pick. So Yarmo and
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: company are going to be busy, and I I have
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: a weird, sneaking suspicion that the next forty eight hours
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: are going to be a lot of fun for Sabers fans,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: as crazy as that sounds, because the last seventy two
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: hours has been a lot of fun.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just the last season has been fun, right,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: like breaking the goal away from being in the Eastern
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Conference Final. And now they've got the fourth overall pick,
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  Speaker 1: one of only two trades that have you know, brought
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  Speaker 1: a team into the top five in the last I
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  Speaker 1: think it's fifteen fifteen or so years. It's only happened
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  Speaker 1: a few times. So Armo kiek line and taking a
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  Speaker 1: big swing here and we'll see sort of what the
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  Speaker 1: what this team looks like next week or whenever we
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  Speaker 1: come back on for you know, the offseason, I guess
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  Speaker 1: fallout of everything with the draft, free agency, and potential
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  Speaker 1: big trades here. So again, Yarmo sent out a lot
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  Speaker 1: of any quality NHL players out the door, but you're
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  Speaker 1: expecting that with the cap space here and resigning Benson,
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  Speaker 1: that this is only the first of many exciting ads
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  Speaker 1: for Buffalo here as they're going to look to continue
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  Speaker 1: to want to repeat as Atlantic Division champions, but with
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  Speaker 1: some of the moves within the division in Toronto and
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  Speaker 1: Florida looking to get better, you know they're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to make make some more moves that remain competitive
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  Speaker 1: and probably the most competitive division in the National Hockey
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  Speaker 1: League next year, so that's going to be it for
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  Speaker 1: our pre draft and free agency. I guess offseason outlook
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  Speaker 1: here heading into Friday's draft at key Bank Center in Buffalo,
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  Speaker 1: Round one on Friday night and then rounds two to
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  Speaker 1: seven on Saturday. I will be there covering the event
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  Speaker 1: with the credentials, so I'll try to keep things posted here,
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  Speaker 1: of elite prospects, my name is Brannick Puttoll. Have a
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  Speaker 1: Should be fun and we'll be back here next week
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