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The Late Debate | 14 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wait debate.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the late debate.
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  Speaker 3: James Macpherson with frailech and filling in for Caleb bond
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  Speaker 3: Sky and his contributor Jamie Rodgers.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Should the Governor General resign her patronage of a lobby
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  Speaker 3: group that argues against the right of women to have
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  Speaker 3: female only spaces? And what to make of a film
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  Speaker 3: festival that's banned a documentary about October seven because well,
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  Speaker 3: the producers didn't have permission from Hamas to show footage
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  Speaker 3: of the massacre. And should Victoria's self defense laws be
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  Speaker 3: reviewed in light of a surge in home invasions? The
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  Speaker 3: government says no, but first, the latest development in child
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  Speaker 3: monitoring technology is dividing opinion among parents. How would you
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  Speaker 3: feel about giving your children surveillance shoes that allow you
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  Speaker 3: to track their movements round the clock. Popular footwear brand
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  Speaker 3: Sketches has launched children's shoes with a hidden compartment for
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  Speaker 3: an Apple air tag. The advertisement boast Sketches is famous
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  Speaker 3: for comfort, and now they're giving us comfort of mind
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to our kids. The company claims the
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  Speaker 3: secret surveillance insert in the sneakers, which.
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  Speaker 2: Cost around one hundred dollars, will help parents.
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  Speaker 3: To feel secure, and that's a good thing, right, But
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  Speaker 3: others argue the surveillance sneakers are transmitting the wrong message
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  Speaker 3: to kids that the world is dangerous, that they can't
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  Speaker 3: be trusted, and that big brother loves them very very much. Jamie,
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  Speaker 3: you've got young kids, would you fit them with surveillance sneakers?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely? I would. And to be clear, I've got two.
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  Speaker 5: I've got a five year old and an almost eight
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  Speaker 5: year old, and my eight year old literally said the
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  Speaker 5: other day I want to walk myself to school, and
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  Speaker 5: in my head I thought, absolutely not, that's not going
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  Speaker 5: to happen. But if I could put something in his
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  Speaker 5: shoe or in his backpack just and monitor to make
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  Speaker 5: sure that he gets there safely.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's limits.
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  Speaker 5: By the time they're teenagers and hanging out with their friends,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think you need to have a tracking device
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  Speaker 5: on them. But when they're in this younger stage and
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  Speaker 5: they're trying to be a bit more independent, but you
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  Speaker 5: don't well ready to let them go, I think we
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  Speaker 5: should be tracking them. You can do it now on
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  Speaker 5: your iPhone anyway, do that find my friends? We can
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  Speaker 5: see where your friends are and your partner. And I
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  Speaker 5: think it's part of life now, but I certainly would
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  Speaker 5: be tracking my children.
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  Speaker 2: What do you re confirmed.
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  Speaker 6: I just feel like, as you mentioned, it sends this
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  Speaker 6: message that the world is dangerous, the kids should feel unsafe.
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  Speaker 6: We have a huge problem with kids being overcoddled parents
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  Speaker 6: who don't let their kids have any independence whatsoever. And
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  Speaker 6: I think the problem with this is it just enables
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  Speaker 6: helicopter parenting. Parents who are neurotically obsessed with tracking their
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  Speaker 6: child every single movement. Those are the kind of parents
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  Speaker 6: that are going to be using this device. No offense
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  Speaker 6: to anyone who's going out and buying their new sketches,
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  Speaker 6: but I mean, seriously, what we need is to be
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  Speaker 6: giving kids more independence, more chances to prove themselves. It also,
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  Speaker 6: I think sets people up for a toxic relationship with tracking.
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  Speaker 6: We know that in relationships, and this is actually a
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  Speaker 6: factor that contributes to domestic violence and coercive control off
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  Speaker 6: and people become obsessed with looking at their partner's locations.
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  Speaker 4: We are instilling bad habits.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes you just need to let people go and trust
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  Speaker 6: the bell show up.
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  Speaker 4: On the other side, I have to tell you.
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  Speaker 5: Children, Do they have to know that they've got a
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  Speaker 5: tracking device?
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  Speaker 6: For?
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  Speaker 4: True? I mean I wouldn't tell my kids. I just
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  Speaker 4: slyly put it.
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  Speaker 6: See any kid that genuinely wants to run away and
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  Speaker 6: break the rules, we'll figure it out pretty quickly, and
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  Speaker 6: so then it's no use anyone.
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  Speaker 3: Are you neurotic as a parent if you are concerned
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  Speaker 3: that the world is a dangerous place. I mean, when
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  Speaker 3: I was a kid long time ago, Freyer, but we
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  Speaker 3: were allowed to get on our bikes and go for
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  Speaker 3: a ride, and as long as we were back by dark,
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  Speaker 3: and it was a bit sort of subjective as to
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  Speaker 3: what constitute dark, but we were fine. But these days
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  Speaker 3: you just wouldn't allow your children to do that. Why,
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  Speaker 3: because the country is very different.
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  Speaker 4: Dangerous it actually is.
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  Speaker 6: Statistically, is it more dangerous for children now than it
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  Speaker 6: was when you were growing up?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it absolutely is.
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  Speaker 6: Do you really think so, Yeah, totally no. In terms
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  Speaker 6: of kidnapping, child induction.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, in terms of traffic on the roads, in terms
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  Speaker 3: of who they're talking to, in terms of all of
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  Speaker 3: those things. And as for your assertion that it normalizes
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  Speaker 3: coercive control, well, I reserve the right to control my children.
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  Speaker 3: They're my children, so I do control them. Have you
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  Speaker 3: not been in a shopping center and thought I wish
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  Speaker 3: those parents would control their kids.
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  Speaker 2: That's not coercive. Of course, you control your kids.
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  Speaker 3: And as for monitoring them, yeah, I monitor them as well,
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  Speaker 3: and when they turn twenty one, I'll stop doing that
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Job, I'm joking.
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  Speaker 3: I've got twenty year old trims right, I'm not tracking them.
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  Speaker 2: But when you've got kids the age of York and
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  Speaker 2: you've got.
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  Speaker 3: Preteens, absolutely, I don't apologize at all for controlling them
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  Speaker 3: and monitoring them, and that's stop setting them up for
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  Speaker 3: abuse later in life.
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  Speaker 2: That's called being a child.
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  Speaker 5: And also places like if you're going to the airport
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  Speaker 5: or the Easter show or somewhere where there's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people around, it's so easy to lose your child.
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  Speaker 5: I've often written in permanent text and my phone number,
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  Speaker 5: so if they get lost, people can call me. If
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  Speaker 5: they've got a tracking device on them, kind is it
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  Speaker 5: would be to find them?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: No, I do can see that in certain circumstances like
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  Speaker 6: big events, tracking devices may be appropriate, more appropriate than
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  Speaker 6: those parents you see walking around with their kids literally
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  Speaker 6: on a leash. I think just put a tracking device
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  Speaker 6: in them. But I mean, I just don't like this
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  Speaker 6: whole thing where kids have no independence and they're completely coddled.
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  Speaker 6: But the other thing parents are outraged about, not just
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  Speaker 6: their kids' independence, what they're being taught in Victorian schools.
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  Speaker 6: We told you last night about the Respectful Relationships curriculum
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  Speaker 6: that was quietly updated to add in a whole bunch
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  Speaker 6: of gender ideology, teaching kids that your body parts don't
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  Speaker 6: necessarily dictate your gender. Well, just since Allen was asked
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  Speaker 6: about this today rightfully and instead of slamming the curriculum
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  Speaker 6: that is objectively outrageous, she slammed the reporters.
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  Speaker 4: Take a look at this.
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  Speaker 7: Transgender kids are fifteen times more likely to kill themselves. So,
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  Speaker 7: whether it's across our schooling sit or across a health system,
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  Speaker 7: supporting those kids and supporting those families should be a
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  Speaker 7: priority because it's the right thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: What's not right.
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  Speaker 7: What's not right is this ongoing campaign to tear down
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  Speaker 7: programs that are about strengthening kids' resilience. It's about preventing bullying,
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  Speaker 7: it's about protecting kids against future harm.
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  Speaker 4: That's what needs to stop now.
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  Speaker 6: The concerns were raised by parents who spoke about this
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  Speaker 6: classroom to clinic pipeline that has developed where kids are
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  Speaker 6: socially transitioning in schools because they receive gender affirming care,
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  Speaker 6: and then the minute they turn eighteen, they're heading to
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  Speaker 6: the gender clinic getting their hormones, transitioning their gender physically
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  Speaker 6: as well, and parents have no idea that this is
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  Speaker 6: even going on. I would say that parents should be
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  Speaker 6: the ones in charge. Parents should have the right to
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  Speaker 6: determine what their kids learn about such sensitive issues. Instead
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  Speaker 6: of slamming the media for standing up for parents' rights,
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  Speaker 6: maybe just into Alan should take a look at this
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  Speaker 6: outrageous curriculum.
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  Speaker 3: And this is why you put a tracking device in
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  Speaker 3: your children's shoes if they go anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: You're a Victorian public school, you.
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  Speaker 3: Go straight after them and bring them home immediately. That
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  Speaker 3: the performative outrage from the Victorian premiere was off the charts.
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  Speaker 3: How dare you ask me whether or not we should
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  Speaker 3: teach five year olds about gender fluidity. She called the
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  Speaker 3: report disgraceful reporting, which I think she meant it was
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  Speaker 3: a disgrace that it was reported because she was sort
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  Speaker 3: of embarrassed that this is the sort of stuff that's
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  Speaker 3: going on in Victorian schools. As for calling it respectful relationships,
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  Speaker 3: could there be anything less respectful than sowing the seeds
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  Speaker 3: of gender confusion into children behind their parents' back? And
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  Speaker 3: as for relationships, is there anything more destructive to relationships
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  Speaker 3: than teaching impressionable children that there are no safe spaces
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  Speaker 3: for girls. Because that's what these classes are doing. And
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  Speaker 3: for the Victorian premiere to stand there and not just
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  Speaker 3: straight faced and tell lies it's about developing resilience, what
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  Speaker 3: it's developing resilience, That's not what it's about at all.
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  Speaker 3: And for her to then pretend that it's outrageous she
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  Speaker 3: should even be questioned about what children are being taught
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  Speaker 3: in schools tells you everything you need to know about
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  Speaker 3: the contempt in which the Victorian government holds citizens.
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  Speaker 5: I saw that today and I just got chills down
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  Speaker 5: my spine because I've got a five year old boy,
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  Speaker 5: and I thought, this is the age where you just
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  Speaker 5: let them be, kids be outside, playing, reading, writing. We
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  Speaker 5: have forgotten to be teaching the children just the key
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  Speaker 5: benefits and things that they need for life, and that
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  Speaker 5: is reading and writing. And I find it so concerning
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  Speaker 5: that the content is alarming. But to your point, the
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  Speaker 5: reaction of the premiere and just into Alan, this is
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  Speaker 5: so dangerous to send a message to children that they
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  Speaker 5: have potentially been born into the wrong body, or that
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  Speaker 5: you don't associate with your body parts. Now you're telling
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  Speaker 5: this to a five year old. Five year olds still,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we have the tooth theory that comes in
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  Speaker 5: our house like it's a magical time and you enjoy
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  Speaker 5: your life there. And when they're hearing things from an
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  Speaker 5: authoritative figure like a teacher, they believe that. So they're
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  Speaker 5: almost being told, hey, transgender is the way to go.
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  Speaker 5: You're almost a bit strange if you don't feel that
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  Speaker 5: you've been born into the wrong body. And I think
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  Speaker 5: this is a really scary preceince that we're heading down
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  Speaker 5: in this line.
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  Speaker 6: And you don't do it to any other mental health condition.
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  Speaker 6: You don't do it to anorexia. A teenage girl comes
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  Speaker 6: up to you as a therapist who goes or a teacher, oh,
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  Speaker 6: I have body dysmorphia. I think I need to lose weight.
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  Speaker 6: You don't affirm that and say yes, you should develop
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  Speaker 6: are anorexia? You say no, let's get you proper treatment.
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  Speaker 6: But A big problem in our schools is that it
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  Speaker 6: is actually a lot of it being driven by teachers,
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  Speaker 6: and that's the challenge. You have a cohort of teachers
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  Speaker 6: that have gone through the left wing university system and
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  Speaker 6: now they're also going through a left wing department of education.
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  Speaker 4: In Victoria, they have a Safe.
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  Speaker 6: Schools program which is all about making sure lgbtqia plus
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  Speaker 6: inclusion is at the center of Victorian schools. And here
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  Speaker 6: on your screen you can see little image of an
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  Speaker 6: agenda from one of these safe Schools training days that
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  Speaker 6: was given to teachers. And the agenda is just full
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  Speaker 6: of exactly what you would imagine how to promote LGBTQ inclusion,
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  Speaker 6: how gender identity and expression are different to sex, how
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  Speaker 6: gender affirmation is critical in schools, all of the talking
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  Speaker 6: points that then filters down into how kids see themselves
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  Speaker 6: and ultimately leads to a generation that is mutilating themselves.
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  Speaker 3: Let me just show you and remind people, if you've
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  Speaker 3: not seen it already, what kids are being taught. This
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  Speaker 3: is an example that children are taught in Victorian schools
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  Speaker 3: five year olds. Stacey is a transgendered girl that kids
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  Speaker 3: are told she dresses like the other girls plays with them,
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  Speaker 3: and everything seems fine. One day Lara says Stacy should
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  Speaker 3: be in the boys team at sports, not the girl's team.
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  Speaker 3: What could Stacy do or say? And here's some suggested responses. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: Stacy can play with the girls team because Stacy is
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  Speaker 3: a girl, Stacy is a boy identifying as a girl.
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  Speaker 3: Or and this one is particularly pernicious, go and ask
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  Speaker 3: the teacher if you don't believe me, our teacher says,
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  Speaker 3: I belong in the girl's team.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what they're doing.
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  Speaker 3: That they are conditioning five year old kids to not
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  Speaker 3: believe their own lying eyes. Because kids know the difference
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  Speaker 3: between a boy and a girl, but teachers are teaching them,
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  Speaker 3: don't believe your own lying eyes. Go and ask an
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  Speaker 3: authority figure and they'll tell you what reality is. And
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  Speaker 3: if you can condition five year old kids that way,
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  Speaker 3: by the time they have their twenty fifth birthday, the
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  Speaker 3: state can tell them anything and they'll believe it.
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  Speaker 5: And also, what five year old is having a conversation
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  Speaker 5: like that in the playground? Can we please also just
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  Speaker 5: say that too. And one thing that is concerning is, look,
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  Speaker 5: some children that do face these gender dysmorphia, but that
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  Speaker 5: is a minority, and we are then giving this majority a.
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  Speaker 4: One screen fix.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that this is where we're going into
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  Speaker 5: some really scary.
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  Speaker 3: If I can just suggest they could get rid of
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  Speaker 3: the whole respectful Relationships course, get rid of the safe
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  Speaker 3: schools course and all the time and effort involved, and
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  Speaker 3: they could just implement this very simple I think it's
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  Speaker 3: a ten second course which I think would resolve everything here.
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  Speaker 6: It is.
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  Speaker 2: This is my suggestion.
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  Speaker 8: Boys have a penish, girls have of vavagina.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for the tip.
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  Speaker 5: Well Off the back of talking about what's being enforced
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  Speaker 5: in Victorian schools, Governor General Sam Mouston is facing growing
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  Speaker 5: concerns that she needs to abandon her patronage of the
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  Speaker 5: powerful LGBTQI plus community group in Equality Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 5: This comes after this group argue in the Federation Federal
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  Speaker 5: Court the right to remove female only spaces.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 5: Ms Mouston has declined to answer multiple questions from The Australian.
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  Speaker 5: But I feel like as a Governor General, you need
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  Speaker 5: to be apolitical and you should not be aligning yourselves
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  Speaker 5: with activist groups like this, especially one that wants to
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  Speaker 5: remove rights of females and being a female yourself removing
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  Speaker 5: female only spaces for sure, and Equality Australia took the
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  Speaker 5: extraordinary step of applying to be a Friend of the
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  Speaker 5: Court so they could intervene in a private legal case
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  Speaker 5: between Giggle and.
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  Speaker 6: Tickle, just so they could argue against a lesbian action
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  Speaker 6: group who were defending women's only spaces. But it's interesting
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  Speaker 6: because sam Mauston in her response to these questions from
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  Speaker 6: The Australian, she played it off real cool. She was like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I don't really have much to do with
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  Speaker 6: Equality Australia anyway, I'm just the patron. Really check out
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  Speaker 6: this announcement that she public when she became the patron.
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  Speaker 8: Hello everyone, I'm speaking to you today from Government House
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  Speaker 8: in Canberra. I acknowledge that I'm on the lands of
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  Speaker 8: a nunna all people, and I pay my respects to
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  Speaker 8: their elders, past and present. Government House is a place
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  Speaker 8: of peace and conversation and celebration where everyone is welcome.
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  Speaker 8: So I am honored to be Patron of Equality Australia,
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  Speaker 8: an organization that embodies the same spirit of welcome and
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  Speaker 8: which has the values of respect, dignity, care and kindness
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  Speaker 8: at its core.
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  Speaker 4: So she's honored.
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  Speaker 6: She's honored to be the patron of Equality Australia, an
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  Speaker 6: organization she now is claiming she's really not that involved in.
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  Speaker 3: She was asked ten questions by The Australian. As he said, Jamie,
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  Speaker 3: and this is the thing that I find most concerning.
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  Speaker 3: The Governor General was given ten questions in writing from
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  Speaker 3: The Australian and failed to respond to any of them,
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  Speaker 3: instead putting out a two sentence I think it was
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  Speaker 3: response simply saying I'm the patron of many organizations. It's
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  Speaker 3: an honorary position that does not include endorsement. Well that
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  Speaker 3: was clearly an endorsement. And if you've got an organization
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  Speaker 3: of which she is the patron saying sex is not binary,
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  Speaker 3: you have males here, females there, and anyone can be
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  Speaker 3: located anywhere in between, that is not only contested, but
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  Speaker 3: it's highly political with all sorts of social policy implications.
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  Speaker 3: How she can continue in that role as Governor General
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  Speaker 3: when as the GG she's supposed to be a political
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  Speaker 3: and non controversial is beyond me. I think she's got
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  Speaker 3: a very big problem and I would be surprised if
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  Speaker 3: we didn't see some sort of announcement in the next
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  Speaker 3: couple of weeks, which would be awkward because to resign
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  Speaker 3: from a Quity Australia would be to admit it's political
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  Speaker 3: and it's controversial. But she can't stay there surely because
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  Speaker 3: of her role as governor Jenties.
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  Speaker 6: But everyone knows Equality Australia is highly political.
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  Speaker 4: It's run by an ex labor staffer.
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  Speaker 6: It is literally a lobby group for the LGBTQ plus community.
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  Speaker 6: They were denied DGR status that's your tax deductibility because
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  Speaker 6: the Charities Commissioner said you have no benevolent purpose, You're
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  Speaker 6: just an activist group. They then appealed that in the
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  Speaker 6: Administrative Appeals Tribunal they said yeah, you have no benevolent purpose.
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  Speaker 4: They then went to.
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  Speaker 6: The Full Federal Court, who also backed in the two
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  Speaker 6: previous decisions to deny them tax deductible status as a charity.
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  Speaker 6: It was only one month after they conveniently appointed Sam
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  Speaker 6: Musten as their patron. They wrote directly to the Minister
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  Speaker 6: who said, yeah, stuff. For three legal bodies that are
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  Speaker 6: all designed to ensure public accountability, I'm going to personally
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  Speaker 6: intervene to give you tax deductibility. So it's very clear
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  Speaker 6: Equality Australia is highly political. It's a lobby group and
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  Speaker 6: it's deeply embedded with labor.
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  Speaker 4: Well, what if we come to with society.
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  Speaker 5: Our topic just before was about what kids are learning
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  Speaker 5: in school and that boys are told they can go
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  Speaker 5: play in girls' sports and if the other girls don't agree,
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  Speaker 5: go tell the teacher. Now we're talking about our Governor
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  Speaker 5: General who's linked to a charity that is wanting to
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  Speaker 5: remove female only spaces or not allow them to be around.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: And they can't define what the reality of a woman is.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: No wonder kids are all over the place and questioning
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: who they are. Look at what we are talking about.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: This is just such a crazy time right now. We
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: need to bring some common sense back to our life.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I've got bad news for you, Jamie. So it's about
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: to get worse.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: It's go to Scotland for a second.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Staying on the same theme, the Edinburgh Festival is like
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: a fringe festival. Two point six million tickets or more sold,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: more than half a million dollars Australian funding from the government.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: So it's a big event and there's various performances and
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: panels and so on and so forth. And one of
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: the panelists was Kate Forbes. She's the Deputy First Minister
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: of Scotland. But there's a couple of problems with Kate Forbes,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: the Deputy First Minister.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: One of the problems is she's a Christian.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: The other problem is she believes that male and female
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: biological realities. And of course the really big problem is
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: in view of that, she believes that women should have
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: single sex spaces that men identifying as women should not
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: come into. So she was on a panel at this
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: fringe festival talking about different ideas including gender, and I
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: was shocked to read this in the UK Times. Several
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: artists at the venue performing shows with gay or transgender themes,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: and some set up a safe room because they claim
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: to have been terrified while Miss Forbes was in the building. Now,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: they didn't imagine Miss Forbes was going to attack them.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: She's quite a short and petit woman. They were terrified
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: of her views and her views were so controversial that
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: as a Christian and no doubt as someone with a brain,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: she believes that male and female are binary. Now, the
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: organizers of the fringe festival apologized for having the Deputy
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: First Minister present. They said it was an oversight to
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: have her involved in a panel, and they promised to
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: develop and I quote robust inclusion policies.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: To prevent it ever happening again.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I love the language frayer, but we're going to stop
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Christians who believe in gender as a biological reality from
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: ever attending this fringe event again. And the way they're
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: going to stop them attending is to develop an inclusion policy.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're going to exclude you if you disagree with us.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, I also never thought that believing in basic
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: biology would be too fringe for fringe, Like that is
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: the most fringe nowadays. You're too fringe for the fringe
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: if you just believe that men and women are created
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: as men and women.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: And this is so absurd.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: Because in the UK they've just had the UK High
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: Court determine that actually biological sex matters, women are female.
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: You can't get around that biological reality. And so now
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: I'm sure the Fringe Festival in Edinburgh gets government funding
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: and for them to then turn around and just deny
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: that biology even exists and say, actually, we're going to
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: cancel you if you believe in biology.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: It's ridiculous.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: That's going to point out one thing, Jamie, before you
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: have a shot at this, I though you're itching to go,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: but I emphasized that Kate is a Christian. I said
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: that repeatedly and for this reason. The labor leader was
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: also at this fringe festival, and that's Senoi, and he
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: also believes that women should be allowed to have private
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: sex only spaces.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: But he's a Wilslom and.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: There was no objection to his presence, There was no
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: objection to his view and no one is calling for
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: him to be care anseled.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: I just thought that was noteworth very interesting. But you know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: males have their own spaces, like look at the Australian
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: Club and no one ever asks up about that because
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: you're allowed to have that. There is nothing wrong with
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: an all male space, and there's nothing wrong with females
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: wanting their own space too. This fringe festival story reminds
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: me so much of the Queensland psychiatrist met doctor Gillian
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Spencer when she had on her email at the bottom
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: saying women dash adult female and staffers complained to their
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: bosses because they said they found it confusing.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Confusing.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: We are demonizing words like women and men, boys and
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: girls and making it seem like these are words you
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: should just never say.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: And when a democratically elected leader cannot be at a
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: festival because she might say that sex is binary, I mean,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: you have reached a low point. Indeed, the other interesting
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: thing out of this festival frail was that a Jewish comedian,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Rachel Krieger, who has a show called Ultimate Jewish Mother,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: which I guess is jokes about Jewish families. She would
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: know as a Jewish woman, but she had her posters vandalized,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: where people literally burned out the word Jewish in her posters.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, this is the thing, right, The intolerance of
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: biology seems to also extend to intolerance of Jews on
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: the left, and it's been really hard for a lot
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: of Jewish creatives in the arts world post October seven,
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: because even Jewish identity has managed to become politicized and hated.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: She said she's had shows canceled just because she's Jewish.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: They've said, multiple venues have said, well that's too controversial.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: We fear for our safety. Having a Jewish person speak
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: at a comedy club in Scotland in twenty twenty five,
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: I mean, what kind of world are we living in?
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: But Something else on that theme of anti Semitism that
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: really doesn't make sense is the Toronto International Film Festival
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: has banned a screening of an October seven documentary why,
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: you might ask, because they didn't get permission to use
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: the footage.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: From her Maas.
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the Toronto International Film Festival is worried, maybe about
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: a copyright lawsuit from Harmas, but not properly asking for permission.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: It is so absurd and upside down. Hamas took the
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: footage of their slaughter and kidnapping of civilians on October seven.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: It is all well and truly in the public domain
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: because they published it to brag about the atrocities that
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: they committed. Now Jewish creatives want to show this to
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: the world to highlight what happened, and they're not allowed
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: to because her Mass hasn't given permission.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: You got to understand free that her Maasa.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: They're terrorists, I know, but they're also sensitive artistics who
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: deserve creative control over I think you fourfit creative control.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Once you start slaughtering baby, what are we going to
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: do next? Ask bank robbers if they wouldn't mind if
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: we use the CCTV footage, or ask the Taliban before
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: we show the nine to eleven attacks, because after all,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: they own the rights to that performative art. The truth
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: is that this film festival have banned the showing of
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: this documentary and it's about a former IDF general who
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: on October seven ran to the scene of the slaughter
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: to try and save his family members.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: That's what it's about.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: But the fact is they've banned it not because they're
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: worrying about Hamas suing for breach copyright, that they just
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: don't want either the controversy or they just don't want
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: to show the Israeli side of what happened on October seven.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this is really sad because, first of all,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: if you live stream something that's fair game, everyone has
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: access to it and they are more than welcome to
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: use it, because if you're going to go and showcase
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: into the world, it's easy just to go and take
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: that off and go and publish it. I think this
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: is a really disappointing reality of what the Jewish community
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: are facing and films and festivals like this where you're
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: almost censoring programs to ensure that what happened isn't continuing
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: to get out there and almost as if they're trying
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: to raise or almost deny the truths of what had happened.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: And we just see this time and time again. It's
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: funny how we've just become so we haven't but the
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: world has become so desensitized to episodes of anti Semitism.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: It's just become so normal.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Take this example from the European Super Cup football clash
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: between Tottenham Hot Spurs and a French team, and at
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: the start of the game, the players lined up with
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: a massive banner on the field that read, what does
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: it read, I've got written down here somewhere here we
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: go stop killing children, stop killing civilians. And obviously they
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: are protesting the conflict in Gaza, and they had two
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Ghas and children present at the metal celebration at the
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: end of the game. What's fascinating is the sign makes
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: no mention of free hostages, and they have two guards
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: and children at the end of the game to present medals,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: but no Jewish.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: At the end of the game.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: They also had nine refugee children from Afghanistan from Iraq,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: but no children that had been affected by what's happened
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: in Israel. It's just another example of where the Israeli
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: side of the conflict sort of gets pushed aside. And
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: this from a football organization that in their own statutes
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: says they are neutral politically and religiously and their overriding
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: objective I'm quoting is to promote football without any discrimination
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: on account of politics, gender, race, religion or any other reason.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: And yet here they were at that game, clearly shilling
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: for the Palestinian side of a conflict that began with
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: the Hamasa's.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: The aggressive and the irony is that one of the
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: gas and children that they had at the game had
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: actually been evacuated from Gaza to receive extra treatment in
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: Milan for some pre existing health condition. Yeah, such a
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: genocide going on that you can airlift children out of
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: Gaza to get them special medical attention. And it's also
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: funny that this same football code back in March of
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: this year, took action against the Rangers.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Club because they had fans.
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: They had fans which were holding up a banner that
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: said keep woke foreign ideologies out of Europe, Defend Europe.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: I mean, I like that side, this one not so much.
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: But if you're going to take action against political science,
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: be consistent absolutely.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: I mean Traditionally, UEFA has always to what you were
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: just reading out before, has always been removed of any
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: political statements. But the lines have certainly been blurred of
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: recent years. And what I find extremely concerning about things
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: like this is that fans football fans in particular, they're
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: so fanatical about their teams, and they listened to the
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: players more than any political leader that would have been
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: voted in. So when you see messages like that, that's
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: what would be resonating with the people in the crowd.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: And I feel sorry for any Jewish person that was
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: sitting in there seeing those banners, because where are they
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: released the hostages?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Indeed, well, the Australian government announced that it would recognize
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: a state of Palestine in September, and Anthony Albanesi's triumphant announcement.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Was sullied slightly when he.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Received support from the terrorist organization Hamas. Co founder of Hamas,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Hussein Yusuf came out and said that he congratulated the
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Australian government. More country should follow the Australian lead. That's
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: kind of embarrassing, and so the Prime Minister quickly reminded
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: the media that you shouldn't believe what Hamas say, and I.
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: Notice in the statement that's made today they say that
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: the alleged statement from the person yesterday as someone who's
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: been in there isen in Israel since since October twenty
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: twenty three and has no means of communication. What that
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: should be as a warning to the media of being
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: very careful about the fact that Hamash will engage in propaganda.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: So the Prime Minister those you are going to be
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: very careful about Hamas engaging in propaganda. Which is why
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: the government always quote the Gaza Health Ministry statistics, which
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: of course come from Hamas. Why the government never doubt
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Hamas reports of IDF just randomly shooting civilians.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Why the Prime Minister.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Himself referred to a famous photo that went round the
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: world of a child clearly suffering a disability that had
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with starvation, but the photo was portrayed
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: as this is a boy being starved by those horrible Israelis.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: The peer wasn't skeptical of a mass propaganda then, only
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: now when he's a little embarrassed. But today he having
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Hamas came out and said no, no, that statement from
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Hassan Yusuf was not legitimate, and so then the Prime
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Minister quoted Hamas saying, see that statement from yesterday was
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: not in fact true. So he warns against Hamas propaganda
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: when it suits, but he quotes Hamas propaganda when it
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: helps his narrative.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: You can't have it both ways.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: Well, it gets even more awkward than that because then
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: later today two Hamas officials actually did say that they
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: supported Australia's position and that we have great courage as
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: a country and everyone should follow us. But I mean,
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: this whole thing is stupid because of course Hamas would
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: support Australia recognizing a Palestinian state. This is a core
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: aim of a mass anything to undermine Israel In Israel's legitimacy,
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: anything to vindicate what they did on October seven for
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: them as a win. So I'm honestly shocked. Whoever was
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: advising Albanezi to even enter into this fire was so misguided.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: But I mean, it's just embarrassing, and.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: I wish his skepticism for her mask propaganda had been
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: here for the last eighteen months.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: Isn't it ironic that Anthony Alberonizi is now telling us
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: to be very careful what's coming out of her mask.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: But let's not forget he's the one that's put us
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: into this position by prematurely recognizing a Palestinian state. And
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: you just look at this is such a huge shift
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: in Australian foreign policy, where we used to stand side
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: by side with a liberal democracy who was under siege,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: and then we have completely flipped that and let them go,
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: and we've now been citing more so with a terrorist organization.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: And by his own explanation, part of the reason we
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: have flipped was because of those images of the supposedly
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: starving kids in Gaza that were then proven to be false.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: But the Priam's corrected the record and that oh no,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: he hasn't.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: Oh no, he has. He hasn't corrected the record on
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: any of the propaganda he's believed.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: But speaking of.
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: Fraud, Indigenous organizations have come under fire today because apparently
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: one in three Indigenous corporations have failed to file reports
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: on their operations for last year. That includes twenty six groups.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: You have a turnover of over five million dollars and
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: there are even seven hundred and ninety two that still
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: haven't filed reports for the year before last for twenty
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: twenty two. Now you think about a lot of these
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: Indigenous organizations get massive amounts of taxpayer funding that should
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: be going towards understandably improving the outcomes for Indigenous people,
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: but a lot of the money, it would seem, is
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: going unaccounted for.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: When you have one in.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: Three Aboriginal corporations failing to file proper reporting on their activity,
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: that is just mind blowing. If that was the private sector,
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: all of these companies would have serious action taken against them,
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: potentially be shut down or de registered.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: But not the same standard applian in this case.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: And that's Taxpase we deserve to know where this money
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: is going and should be holding these companies to account
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: to see where the money is spent, what the outcomes are.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: So an audit is well and truly deserved in this
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: space to see what's going on there.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I can't help but wonder if this is the racism
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: of low expectations, where you've got so many Indigenous groups
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: that have failed to submit basic government reporting that would
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: be required of any other organization, and there would be
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: outrage if so many organizations from a particular industry we're
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: just ignoring the requirement to report. But somehow because it's
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Indigenous organizations. They're given a free pass, presumably while they're
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: in which, as I said, is the racism of low expectations.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Somehow they're unable to or not expected to do what
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: everybody else is required to do, and it's wrong. And
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: just since the nepuertuber Price has been calling for a
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: long time for a complete audit of all of these organizations,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: because it's important, as you said, Jamie, not just to
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: know on behalf of taxpayers, but on behalf of Indigenous people,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: to know where is this money going. Is it going
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: to the people in need to help them to close
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: the gap.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Or is it going elsewhere?
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: And the truth is we don't know because these organizations
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: simply aren't reporting.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: Now let's go to Victoria, guys, where a state that
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: has seen a one hundred percent increase in home evasions
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: according to the Herald Sign which released some data a
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: few months ago. There was a plans to potentially revisit
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: some self defense laws. Now this was voted down in
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: parliament eighteen to seventeen votes.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: For the MPs.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: But I just think, guys, in a state where home
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: invasions are on the rise, you've got the chance now
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: to change the self defense laws where if someone breaks
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: into your home, you want to be doing everything you
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: can to defend your family, defend your property, but if
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: they get hurt or god forbid, you happen to do
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: some serious damage.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: You can go to jail.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: And it was potentially had the chance to change that
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: so that you can protect your home for the.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Victorian government to not support, and they weren't being asked
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: to change the law.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: They weren't being asked to introduce.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: In the UK, what do they call it castle doctrine
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: where you're able to use lethal force. You can strike
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: before being attacked. If someone's walking through your house in
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: the dark at two am.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: I'm getting my cricket bat out.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: You attack, I would suggest.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: And by the way, the suggestion is that you would
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: be allowed reasonable force proportionate to the perceived threat. And
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: that's important because if in hindsight you looked back.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: It was like it wasn't really proportionate.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Well, you're given the benefit of the doubt that at
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: the time you believed you were in danger, and so
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: you're afforded that concession for the Victorian government not to
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: even look at the potential of allowing this in light
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: of how bad crime is, as you said, Jamie, But
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I wonder, Jamie, if it's because the Victorian government, in
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: supporting a review of self defense laws, would be admitting
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: there's a problem and people need to be given extra
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: pals because police clearly aren't able.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: It's highlighting the fact because when I was reading the
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: article and they were saying, oh, just call the police,
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: don't defend yourself, call the police, It's like, well, they've
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: got a big issue with their police foods down there,
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: so it might be too long by the time the
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  Speaker 5: police actually arrive.
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  Speaker 4: Who knows what would have happened.
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: If someone is coming into your home, they are already
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: breaking the law. There's a principle in law where if
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: you are breaking the law yourself, you are not entitled
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: to legal protections in return, you're already breaking the law.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: If you enter someone's home with the intent to cause harm,
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: they perceive that threat, you sacrifice. I'm sorry, just by logic,
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: you should sacrifice any right.
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  Speaker 4: To then complain you're that you've now been injured.
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: Nah, I'm sorry. You're break into someone's home. You don't
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: deserve any protection whatsoever. But in some good news, the
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: UK has introduced age verification on pornography sites, So if
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: you want to get onto a porn site, you have
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: to upload some form of idea verifying your age. And
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: in just the last month or so that it's been operating, Pornhub,
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: which is the largest pornography site, has recorded a forty
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: seven percent decrease in traffic. Now, I mean saying what
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: you want about digital verification. There's a huge debate there
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: around privacy, but I think we can all agree seeing
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: a nearly fifty percent drop in the number of people
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: accessing pornography is good for women, is good for people's
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: sexual health, is good for society more broadly, that's a win.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: Unless they've gone to the dark web into it, or
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: the more unregulated sites.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: That is the danger they may go elsewhere. But I
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: don't think anything would anyone would be upset by that result.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: We're to go to a break.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: including believe this Chris Bowen praising China for what they're
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: doing to reduce emissions even as they build more coal
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  Speaker 3: fired power stations.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: That's coming up next.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: what's making headlines tomorrow. But before we do, Freyer and
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I think you've got The Australian. You've got your show
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  Speaker 3: starting on Sunday night at six pm.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Freyer fires up.
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  Speaker 6: Yep, make sure you tune in, guys. It's going to
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: be a lot of fun.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to It'll be great.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: Well, let's get into The Australian now, and the headline
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  Speaker 6: is China and India's win Bowen's green tick. Climate Change
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: Minister Chris Bowen has heaped praise on the efforts of
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: China and India to bring down karmon emissions, lauding the
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: world's two biggest polluters for their founding take up of
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: renewables while they are still both building new coal power plants.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: As he takes advantage of the coalition struggles to come
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  Speaker 6: to grips with an energy policy after its election drubbing,
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  Speaker 6: Mister Bowen said the suggestion China and India were doing
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: little to reduce their emissions was wrong. I mean, you
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: can still be building renewables while simultaneously be building coal,
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: and that is exactly what they're doing. They're not mutually
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: exclusive ideas. They're building coal China's building two new coal
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: fire power plants every week.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't understand how Chris I do actually, are
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: we really that surprised that the Labor government is praising
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: the Chinese? So, I mean, this really stretches credibility when
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: you're congratulating them on their efforts to curb climate change
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: even as they build more coal fired power stations. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: of course we're not allowed, we're decommissioning all of ours,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: but they keep going and Bowen gives them credit for it.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: I me, seventy four percent of India's energy comes from
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: coal and fifty six percent from China, and as you mentioned,
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Freya with China opening up two coal fire power stations
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: every single week. Although I'm not sure it's overly the
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: compliment you want to get from Chris Bowen, you really
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: want to be getting.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: A compliment from him. I think that's at something you
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: know that's true.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: I don't think logic is Chris Bowen's strong point. But
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: also in the Australian Tomorrow, business cries get us out
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: of this one hundred and ten billion dollar red tape tangle,
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: slashing just one percent of the red tape that is
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: constraining Australia's businesses could generate more than one billion dollars
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: in economic growth, according to a Business Council of Australia
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: report that calls for dozens of reforms to help cut
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: the nation's one hundred and ten billion dollar regulatory bill.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: Ahead of Jim Chalmer's Economic reform roundtable next week, the
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: BCA released a sixty five page Better Regulation Report which
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: reveals the compliance burden from more than eighty thousand pieces
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: of regulation that's costing well over one hundred and ten
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  Speaker 6: billion dollars.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that is just staggering.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: The other thing I thought was really interesting about this
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: is the last time the government didn't audit of how
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: many regulations businesses, organizations are required to comply with was
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: back in twenty fourteen, So eleven years since anyone has
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: looked at this. And you quoted eighty thousand pieces of regulations,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: eighty six thousand pieces, but that was.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: They don't know how many regulations there are right now,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: because as I said, it's been a decade since anyone
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: looked at this. This is one recommendation for Jim Chalmer's
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: talk fest that I've heard and thought that is actually
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: a good idea. That's something that would not affect taxpayers,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: it wouldn't affect our lives. It would free up business
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: and actually create productivity without putting a burden on the taxpayer.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: And that's one thing that businesses are crying out for
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: is to cut the red tape and make it easier
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: to do business. So I really hope this is something
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: that is a positive to come out of that roundtable discussion.
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: For sure, you shouldn't be a to add regulations unless
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: you take one away. That should be the rule, don't
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: just add without ever cutting. Also in the Australian Tomorrow,
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: PM maps out a role in Mid East peace. Anthony
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: Albanezi is convinced Australia can play a small role in
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: achieving a comprehensive peace deal for Gaza, under which Arab
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: peacekeepers would be brought in to secure the war torn country,
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: and Saudi Arabia's potential normalization of relations with Israel. Sources
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: familiar with the Prime Minister's thinking said he hoped the
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: peace plan being developed by France, Britain and the Arab
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: League would be finalized before the UN General Assembly next month,
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: when Australia will formally recognize a Palestinian state. This is
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: very interesting because notice the countries that the article says
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: are behind this peace deal.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: It doesn't include the US.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: I do not know how Trump will react to this,
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: but I can't imagine he'll be too fond of a
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: deal happening doesn't involve the US.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: There's another country that's missing from these discussions as I
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: read about them, and that would be what's it called again,
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Israel Peace steel where net Yahoo has been called by
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: our Prime minister, someone in denial about what's going on.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Our relationship with Israel is only vaguely warmer than our
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: relationship with Trump at the moment. I'm not sure how
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: they negotiate a peace steal that has Israel on the
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: outside as everybody negotiates without them.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: It kind of concerns them.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Well, let's take a look at the Daily Telegraph of
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: what's making front page news tomorrow, and that is Western
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: Sydney needs ninety new homes a day, So they're going
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: to have to build this every day for the next
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: four years if it's to supply the bulk of the
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: state's housing supply. Startling new numbers have been revealed, so
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: this exclusive data has been obtained by The Daily Telegraph
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: and shows that the region would need to have eighty
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: nine new homes did there every single day to meet
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: the five year housing target that's been agreed to by
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: the Men's government. But a progress report for the first
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: twelve months of the scheme has found that Western Sydney
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: councils approved just thirteen percent of the one hundred and
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: fifty thousand new dwellings they need to complete by June
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty nine. And I guess guys, this is just
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: also part of a wider story, isn't it That we're
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: trying to build one point two million homes and needing
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: to have more than twenty thousand built every month across
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: the country and we're just nowhere near that target.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and remember it was that Claire O'Neil who recently
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: said it's not a target, it's an aspiration. So the
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: government already backpeddling because it's clear they're not going to
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: make it. Then late advertisers got an interesting story on
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: the front page under twenty ones get barred after nine
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: thirty Upmarket City, Riftop Bar and Restaurants SAA has raised
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: the bar when it comes to the drinking age, lifting
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: it from twenty, lifting it to twenty one for patrons
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: who want to enter after nine to thirty. The edict
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: has caused uproar its industry. Peak Body backs the move,
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: but state officials say it's illegal because of course it
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: would contravene the protections afforded to people being discriminated against
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: on the basis of age.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Now the drinking age is eighteen.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: This bar says eighteen year olds can drink their up
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: to nine p thirty, but after that everyone under twenty
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: one you take off. They say there's other venues that
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: are appropriate for you, but we want over twenty ones here.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see whether this ends up in court. Personally,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I think a bar has the right to say we
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: want older people at our establishment at this time, and
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: so that's what we want. I don't think it should
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: go to court. I don't think the government should be
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: allowed to intervene.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Well, it should.
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: Be well within their writers a business to accept or
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: reject whoever they want. And if you've been out with
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: eighteen year olds on the town, they often bring a
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: certain vibe to establishments that clearly this.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: One does not want.
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: They want it to be classy, immature, and I think
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: that's their.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Rightbsolutely, We're going to go to a break when we
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: come back. Donald Trump is labeled by Democrats Batman, but
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: it didn't have the effect that they were hoping.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in just a moment.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Well, Donald Trump's detractors have come up with all sorts
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: of nasty names for him. They've called him hitler, they've
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: called him a dictator, they've called him all sorts of things.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: And they've come up with a new one.
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: Jamie, Oh, James, this one is a fantastic CNN's Abby
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: Phillip has given the president a new nickname. And this
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: is off the back of him deploying troops in Washington,
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: d C. Now, it was clearly an accident, but MAGA
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: supporters were quick to jump on board and celebrate this
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: new name.
• 46:40
  Speaker 10: Let's get right to what America is talking about. Donald
• 46:43
  Speaker 10: Trump makes himself Batman, and the nation's capital is Gotham City.
• 46:48
  Speaker 10: The President of the United States has declared himself crime
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: fighter in chief, and he's taking over Washington's police force.
• 46:54
  Speaker 10: It is a move that the DC mayor is calling
• 46:57
  Speaker 10: unsettling and unprecedented.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: And then we can see here there is an image
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: of Batman that was put up by Babylon B and guys,
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: you can see why here Batman, this is going to stick.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump would be having a field day with this.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: They're standing in what we can also now call Gotham
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: City aka Washington DC.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I want to know how jd. Vance feels about being
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: because he would be Robin.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: He is a Robin.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: But look, calling Trump batman is really not the insult
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: this CNN anchor things.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: It is at all.
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: It's kind of cool, it's kind of gangster. But something
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: that's a little less cool is what's happening in New York.
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: Young people in New York clearly need to have more
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: babies and less dogs, because some are avoiding family gatherings
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: and refusing to get on.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Planes without their dogs.
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: Jill Zoo, a twenty eight year old, pays extra to
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: take his dog with her her dog with her because.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: She's worried about the dog's mental health.
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: Another couple, Christine and Jordan, have refused to go to
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: family gatherings if their dog is not welcome to attend,
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: and an owner of a New York dog store said,
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: my clients are happy to put their kids in summer camp,
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: but won't get on a plane without their dogs.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Misguided priorities.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Perhaps it's easy to think, ah, those Americans, But you know,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: airlines here are starting to allow pets to go on
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: planes as well. But if your kids said to you,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: we're not coming to your place for dinner unless we can.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Bring our dog.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: If you won't have the dog, we're not coming, you'd
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: be pretty disappointed, wouldn't you.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: You absolutely would. But you look at the wrong person.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: I carried my dog home today after she had her
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: hair blow dried and I didn't want her to get wet.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: So you look at the wrong person.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: It's you.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: People like you.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: What sort of dog is it?
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Minigrudle?
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: There you go, all right, Well, clearly love your dog.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Australia's got a new world champion. A twenty eight year
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: old Victorian tup Forge is the women's Redeo champion, having
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: just won the World championship in the United States last month.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: What's amazing about this a Victorian lady. She only took
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: up riding bucking Broncos eighteen months ago and now she's
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: the world champ. She was the only competitor to stay
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: on both her rides for the required eight seconds.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Have a look at her go.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Top Forge is the lady that won the round yesterday
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: with a seventy two need an eight second ride. Team
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Australia High Country Victoria. The Australian Champ is one ride
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: closer to be in the World Champ. How about it
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: for top Forge?
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: There you go an Ossie World Champ. That's it from US.
• 49:45
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