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Baby, You're a Firework · Made of Stars

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  Speaker 1: Warning.
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  Speaker 2: The following podcast contains an entertaining look at astronomy, physics,
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  Speaker 2: and space news throughout the known universe. Listeners have been
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  Speaker 2: known to learn about astronomical phenomenon, the scientific method, and
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  Speaker 2: expanded vocabulary to include terms like quasar asterism and uranus. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: that's your own risk.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: When made of stars, made them stars, madies. When made
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  Speaker 4: us stars, you could be from high they would New Mexicomus,
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  Speaker 4: where all stars?
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  Speaker 1: When we are made of stars.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Wes Carol, joined by my good friend doctor Sean
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  Speaker 5: Cruising from Columbus State Universities, Coca Cola Space Science Center.
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  Speaker 3: Morning Shawn, Good morning Wes. It Normally at this point
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  Speaker 3: in the show, I say, it's good to be here, huh.
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  Speaker 3: But this this week, you know, it's it's a bit challenging.
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  Speaker 3: This is this is going to be an interesting week,
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  Speaker 3: and we're gonna take a careful and thoughtful walk along
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  Speaker 3: this path you're about to introduce.
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  Speaker 1: We are.
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  Speaker 5: And this is a topic we've already covered. However, for
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  Speaker 5: some weird reason, Holy Week became the week of something
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  Speaker 5: very bizarre when it comes to space tourism and all
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  Speaker 5: We can listen first, we're gonna I want to talk
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  Speaker 5: about just a quick recap of what we've discussed before,
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  Speaker 5: because some of the things we've discussed before absolutely still
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  Speaker 5: hold true. And I think that there's been a danger
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  Speaker 5: to the idea of space tourism that has kind of
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  Speaker 5: resurfaced from this because we've we've discussed the fact that
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  Speaker 5: we have a couple of companies, but Blue Origin is
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  Speaker 5: the one who's doing it more frequently now where they're
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  Speaker 5: launching people into space just an eleven minute trip into
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  Speaker 5: the sky tut just kissing the darkness and then dropping
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  Speaker 5: back to Earth. It's eleven minutes. They get like three
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  Speaker 5: to four minutes of weightlessness and they come back down.
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  Speaker 5: It is something that when they first did it, and
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  Speaker 5: it was kind of a high profile thing when they'll
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  Speaker 5: have William Shatner go on it, you know, early on
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  Speaker 5: in the process. And then they went, well, let's get
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  Speaker 5: Michael Strahan, who you know which, by the way, Shatner
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  Speaker 5: is a great pick because obviously you're gonna finally make
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  Speaker 5: Captain Kirk an astronaut, and we'll come back to the
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  Speaker 5: astronaut thing in a second. But that was a cool
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  Speaker 5: experience and they got from him what they wanted. He
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  Speaker 5: came out of it initially, at least he came out
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  Speaker 5: of it talking about what an amazing experience it was
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  Speaker 5: and looking off into you know, darkness. Later, when he
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  Speaker 5: was interviewed about it, and I think he still will
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  Speaker 5: say it, he's like, yeah, it was not good.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it again. It changed me. It was bad,
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  Speaker 1: like I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: It made me feel small and insignificant, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: that's not really what they wanted from a pr standpoint
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  Speaker 5: from him, I wouldn't think. But anyway, then you had
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  Speaker 5: Michael Strahan obviously, especially if you're a Giants fan of
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  Speaker 5: beloved NFL player, a host on Good Morning America, all
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  Speaker 5: those things that kind of combined to make him like
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  Speaker 5: a big guy. Maybe you need an extra fuel to
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  Speaker 5: get him off the ground, but you send him up,
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  Speaker 5: and then he's got this platform to talk about it
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  Speaker 5: on Good Morning America, and they got everything they wanted
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  Speaker 5: from him.
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  Speaker 1: It was, you know, a.
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  Speaker 5: Great experience, and I haven't seen where he has said
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  Speaker 5: anything negative about it. There was talk about more celebrities
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  Speaker 5: going up, some ones that you and I question, like
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  Speaker 5: why would they pick this guy to go up? And
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  Speaker 5: then those didn't end up panning out. Jeff Bezos finally
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  Speaker 5: went up himself, which obviously, you know, put your money
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  Speaker 5: where your mouth is.
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  Speaker 1: If you're going to take a take.
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  Speaker 5: A trip to space, Bezos should be one of those
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  Speaker 5: people to go up and say, look, this is fine,
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  Speaker 5: this is great. And then we get to this moment
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  Speaker 5: where this week there starts to be discussion about the
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  Speaker 5: significance of this crew that's going to go up. Now,
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  Speaker 5: the people who were critical in the past of the
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  Speaker 5: fact that they were launching rockets, this is just something
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  Speaker 5: for rich people. This is just a fun ride, a
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  Speaker 5: roller coaster experience for rich people. I don't discount that.
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  Speaker 5: That's not all it is, though, And you and I
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  Speaker 5: have talked at length about the fact that there is
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  Speaker 5: a benefit to yes, let the rich people do it first,
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  Speaker 5: so that eventually it can become something that's affordable for
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  Speaker 5: everybody else. And that's been true of trans you know,
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  Speaker 5: Atlantic flight and trans Pacific flight.
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  Speaker 1: There was a time when only rich people could do that.
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  Speaker 5: And they did it, and everybody else just you know,
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  Speaker 5: we didn't have social media, so people just went, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I guess rich people are flying around and we can't
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  Speaker 5: do it, and then eventually, now we can do it,
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  Speaker 5: and there's an eventual goal for these these flights where
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  Speaker 5: they say, look, maybe one day we're gonna be able
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  Speaker 5: to go up and come back down in another country
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  Speaker 5: on the other side of the world, like New Zealand
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  Speaker 5: or Australia and do it in three hours instead of
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  Speaker 5: taking a day and a half to get there.
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  Speaker 1: Believe me, I'm well aware.
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  Speaker 5: Of that flight and getting ready to do that flight
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  Speaker 5: again this summer. So the idea of being able to
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  Speaker 5: do it in three hours sounds amazing. Probably won't get
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  Speaker 5: to that point in my lifetime, but someday someone might,
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  Speaker 5: maybe one of my distant relatives, and I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe it will happen in my lifetime.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I think they could do it right now.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly they could.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't have I don't have a place to land,
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  Speaker 3: they don't have all those things. But the rocket capability
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  Speaker 3: is already there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I won't be able to afford it, is the
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  Speaker 5: other point to that, because again I'm not able to
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  Speaker 5: afford the rich guy roller coaster, that's all, or in
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  Speaker 5: this case, rich gal roller coaster. But with all of
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  Speaker 5: that said, I would like to stress this before I
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  Speaker 5: hand things off to you for a little bit, because
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  Speaker 5: I got plenty more to say about it, and I
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  Speaker 5: could probably do the whole show just rattling off about this,
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  Speaker 5: but I would like to also stress this the choices
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  Speaker 5: and astronauts, and again we'll get to the term in
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  Speaker 5: a second, but the choices on people to go up
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  Speaker 5: in the rocket. We're pro space tourism here. You and
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  Speaker 5: I have discussed that we are advocates for this. We
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  Speaker 5: don't show favoritism to any of the companies that are
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  Speaker 5: doing it or trying to do it. Necessarily, we know
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  Speaker 5: that this is the one that's doing it and getting
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  Speaker 5: all the attention this week. Should Blue Origin decide that
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  Speaker 5: they wanted to reach out to a couple of space
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  Speaker 5: news journalist and say, hey, how would you guys like
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  Speaker 5: to go up? I'm confident, speaking for the both of us,
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  Speaker 5: to say yes, hell, yes, we'd love to please, We'd
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  Speaker 5: love to tell everybody about the experience. And would I,
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  Speaker 5: at some point after doing that, refer to myself as
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  Speaker 5: an astronaut.
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  Speaker 1: As everyone else had?
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  Speaker 5: Probably, so I don't know reason not to do that,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm I'm pretty sure I would do it with
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  Speaker 5: with a lot of with a lot of pride and say,
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  Speaker 5: look look at this thing that we did.
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  Speaker 1: However, I promise I'm gonna get it back over to
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  Speaker 1: you a minute. We joke on this show.
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  Speaker 5: I've joked many times, and I've joked with people at
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  Speaker 5: Columbus State University, your employer, that as long as we've
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  Speaker 5: been doing the show, I feel like I have probably
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  Speaker 5: been in the I should have earned an honorary doctorate
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  Speaker 5: by now, because I feel like I'm taking a class
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  Speaker 5: froom you and have been doing it since O seven,
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  Speaker 5: you know. So now, if that were to happen, and
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  Speaker 5: it's not gonna happen, but if that were to happen,
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  Speaker 5: if they came to me and they said we want
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  Speaker 5: to give you an honorary doctorate, I would call myself
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  Speaker 5: a doctor.
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  Speaker 1: I would tell people, I think you mean doctor Carroll.
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  Speaker 5: But I would also understand that I'm not exactly someone
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  Speaker 5: who's taken all the classes and the tests and the
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  Speaker 5: dissertations and all of those things, and know that there
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  Speaker 5: is a difference between an honorary doctor and an actual
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  Speaker 5: doctor who's.
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  Speaker 1: Done all the work.
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  Speaker 5: And I specially wouldn't compare myself to Alan Shepard anyway,
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  Speaker 5: all right, so let me hand it off to you
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  Speaker 5: now at that point and say, hey, a crew, what
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  Speaker 5: they're calling an all female crew for the first time
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  Speaker 5: ever went to Space together for you know, eleven minute
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  Speaker 5: trip up and down, and it had Oprah Winfrey's bff,
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  Speaker 5: Gail King on there from CBS. That's a When I
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  Speaker 5: saw her name, I thought, that makes sense. That's like
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  Speaker 5: the Michael Strahan move. That's a good move. And there's
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  Speaker 5: connections to Oprah.
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  Speaker 1: That's good.
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  Speaker 5: She's someone who can certainly be the mouthpiece of this
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  Speaker 5: operation and not say anything dumb at.
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  Speaker 1: All about it.
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  Speaker 5: And then also in there was Katy Perry, who again
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  Speaker 5: American Idol hosts and that's that's it's so weird to say,
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  Speaker 5: that's what people go to with her. She was one
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  Speaker 5: of the hosts on American Idol or judges on American Idol.
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  Speaker 5: And then you know, completely discounting her you know, mega
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  Speaker 5: pop star career that she had, uh, and then Jeff
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  Speaker 5: Bezos's fiance.
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  Speaker 1: Those those were the.
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  Speaker 5: Three and and that's again, put your money where your
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  Speaker 5: mouth is, put your lady on the ship and let
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  Speaker 5: her go up.
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  Speaker 1: And she did.
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  Speaker 5: And then there were three others and that's what it's been.
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  Speaker 5: And I immediately when.
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  Speaker 1: This was taking place, sent you a text and said
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  Speaker 1: that they got to.
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  Speaker 5: Stop calling this this because at some point we're going
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  Speaker 5: to have.
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  Speaker 1: A crew of four three or four.
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  Speaker 5: Female astronauts from NASA that are going to go up
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  Speaker 5: to the International Space Station or go up on some mission.
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  Speaker 5: And they would have been able to say, hey, it's
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  Speaker 5: the first all female crew to go up.
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  Speaker 1: And now they've kind.
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  Speaker 5: Of swooped in and taken that and I don't know
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  Speaker 5: that this is really a crew.
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  Speaker 1: All right, your thoughts?
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  Speaker 3: Who so much there West Carrol And yeah, I just.
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  Speaker 1: Gave you the line and let you run. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this has been building. This has been building up
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  Speaker 5: since what Monday. I mean, this has just all been
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  Speaker 5: building up and building up.
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  Speaker 3: And well, in a podcast such as this one should
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  Speaker 3: be the right place to have some of these discussions
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  Speaker 3: in the public forum, right, and again it's not Wes
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  Speaker 3: and Shawn and they get to decide who is and
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  Speaker 3: who is not an astronaut by the way, So but
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  Speaker 3: we're going to talk about it cause because it's a
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  Speaker 3: question now, right, it's out there, So all right, let's
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  Speaker 3: just let's take it piece at a time. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: if you're brave enough to set your butt in a
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  Speaker 3: seat on top of a missile and blast yourself above
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  Speaker 3: the Carmen line, which is sixty two miles above the Earth,
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  Speaker 3: which is the definition for space set by the National
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  Speaker 3: Aeronautics and Space Administration, you're something. Yeah, yeah, right, you're
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  Speaker 3: you're something.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what and to put in.
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  Speaker 5: And that's the thing that I feel like post trips,
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  Speaker 5: some of these ladies are complaining saying.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, why aren't we getting credit for this? I think
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's what they're saying. Look, this took some stones
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  Speaker 1: to do this. Yes on that, And even.
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  Speaker 3: Though as routine as Blue Origin and SpaceX are currently
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  Speaker 3: making it look, which they really are, especially SPACEGX, it's
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  Speaker 3: still you're putting your butt on a missile and saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: light it, baby, I'll go to space. And you're something
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  Speaker 3: I'd like to give. I'd like to There needs to
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  Speaker 3: be a word, right, and if we're gonna say it's
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  Speaker 3: not astronaut, we got to have a conversation about why
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  Speaker 3: we're saying that. But by the way, there is some
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  Speaker 3: conversation to be had about why we're not saying that.
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  Speaker 3: So well.
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  Speaker 5: I would also just like to acknowledge the fact that
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  Speaker 5: maybe the person who had the most guts in all
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  Speaker 5: of this would be the pop star You're gonna You're
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  Speaker 5: gonna sit in a rocket and get launched into space,
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  Speaker 5: and you're known for a song called Firework that that
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  Speaker 5: itself took extra guts I think, because God forbid something
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  Speaker 5: goes wrong, and well, I don't know, maybe the others
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  Speaker 5: deserve credit because you're gonna be on a rocket with
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  Speaker 5: someone known for a song called Firework, and that's all
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  Speaker 5: anybody's gonna talk about.
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  Speaker 3: At least she wasn't known for wrecking ball. Can we
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  Speaker 3: just throw that in?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if this thing had gone up and popped
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  Speaker 5: in the sky, I mean that kind of wrote itself.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not gonna lie to you. As I'm watching
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  Speaker 5: it launch, I'm going, oh, this can't go wrong. If
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  Speaker 5: this goes wrong, the headline rights itself and it's not
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  Speaker 5: a good one.
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  Speaker 3: And again I'm going to turn right down yet a
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  Speaker 3: different cul de sac and say good job Blue Origin.
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  Speaker 3: Is anybody saying that today, like, hey, Blue Origin, way
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  Speaker 3: to go. There are a lot of people, and including
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  Speaker 3: for some period of time a former student assistant of
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  Speaker 3: mine here at the Space Side Center who did previously
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  Speaker 3: work for Blue Origin. There's a lot of people who
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  Speaker 3: work for Blue Origin and who work very hard to
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  Speaker 3: make this a safe ride to space. Good job Blue
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  Speaker 3: Origin from Doctor Cruzen on the Main Stars podcast. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna just pause and say, good job Blue Origin.
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  Speaker 3: Good job six ladies for being brave enough to climb
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  Speaker 3: aboard that rocket and go above the Carmen line sixty
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  Speaker 3: two miles above the surface of the Earth. The definition
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  Speaker 3: of space one hundred kilometers is the actual definition above
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  Speaker 3: the surface of the Earth defined by NASA and other
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  Speaker 3: space agencies as being the boundary of space. Good job
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  Speaker 3: spaceflight participants, or that just doesn't do it, doesn't That's
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  Speaker 3: the problem right there. Yeah, if you're not gonna call
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  Speaker 3: them astronauts, what is it that you're gonna call them
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  Speaker 3: spaceflight participants? Which I have seen in the media on
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  Speaker 3: previous on previous rants on this podcast. Calling William Shatner
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  Speaker 3: a spaceflight participant.
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  Speaker 1: Just doesn't cut it for me, right it does.
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  Speaker 3: And that's where I'm staying true to things I've said
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  Speaker 3: pre obviously on this podcast about different crews. If it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't cut it for Shatner, it doesn't cut it for
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  Speaker 3: Katy Perry. I'm sorry, it just doesn't.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's part of what some of these ladies, especially,
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  Speaker 5: and Gail King is one who has I guess, taken
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  Speaker 5: to heart some of the comments people have said on
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  Speaker 5: social media about them, you know, not really being astronauts,
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  Speaker 5: this just being an amusement part ride.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, going into space.
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  Speaker 5: If we're going to call it an astronaut and going
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  Speaker 5: into space, it can still also be an amusement part
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  Speaker 5: ride at the same time. I mean, this is a
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  Speaker 5: we're talking about a tourism thing. I do think there
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  Speaker 5: is a difference between what they did and what Shatner
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  Speaker 5: and Straighthand did and what the real astronauts have done.
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  Speaker 5: And that's where this starts to become a little complicated,
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  Speaker 5: especially when in defending her herself, Gail King appears to
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  Speaker 5: have compared herself to Alan Shepherd. Now, as absurd as
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  Speaker 5: that is, it's out there and that's where you go,
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  Speaker 5: oh no, no, no, no, no, no, don't don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: So this is kind of the.
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  Speaker 5: This is kind of the the creation that this is.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to call it a mess.
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  Speaker 5: But it's not because, as you pointed out, good for
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  Speaker 5: Blue Origin they did this, and yes, they checked a
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  Speaker 5: box and they can say this is an all female
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  Speaker 5: crew that went to space together. I don't know that
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  Speaker 5: it constitutes as being a crew. I don't think of
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  Speaker 5: this as that accomplishment because I've flown on an airplane.
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't part of the crew, I mean, and honestly,
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  Speaker 5: you and I had the same training when I flew
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  Speaker 5: on an airplane, and that they did. Here's how to
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  Speaker 5: buckle your seat belt. I mean, that's the training that
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  Speaker 5: was involved. So if that was my training and that
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  Speaker 5: was their training and someone else, you know, piloted. Now,
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  Speaker 5: granted I haven't been on a plane that I'm aware
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  Speaker 5: of that was piloted from the ground, and if that happens,
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  Speaker 5: please don't tell me.
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  Speaker 1: There is an autopilot to it. Though.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, this thing launched. They didn't have anything
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  Speaker 5: to do with it launching other than buckling in. And
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  Speaker 5: then when they got to the bottom, you know, well
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  Speaker 5: they unbuckled, I guess, and floated around a bit and
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  Speaker 5: then buckled back in and then landed it unbuckled, and
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  Speaker 5: that was about all the training that they need. As
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  Speaker 5: far as I know, there was probably a few other things,
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  Speaker 5: you know, don't open the door, those kinds of things
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  Speaker 5: that I guess they maybe need to start telling people
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  Speaker 5: on airplanes now because that's happened, or people have tried
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  Speaker 5: to a few times.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, So.
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  Speaker 5: Are they do they deserve to take this title of
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  Speaker 5: first all female crew to launch the space away from
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  Speaker 5: what could eventually become a reality for a NASA crew.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so well, let me jump I like to get
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  Speaker 3: into data. You know, that's what we do with science, right,
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  Speaker 3: we like to jump into data. And I'm trying to
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  Speaker 3: stay out of the hysterics of the social aspects of
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  Speaker 3: this because we live in a weird time. But let
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: me just tell you there's some data here. Let me
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: let me lean on some data. Yeah. First of all,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: if you're going to call this a carnival ride or whatever,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: it's one hundred and ten thousand pounds of thrust being
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: generated by New Shepherd one hundred and ten thousand pounds
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: of thrust by a Blue Origin B three engine. Friends,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: that's no carnival ride.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: And it also it also wasn't just a disassembled and
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: reassembled at a city just across you know, twenty miles
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: way and put back up again. That's just another quick
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: observation on it.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's some data. Here's some more data. They're
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: not the first all female crew because Valentina Tereshkova the
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: first woman in space, a Russian, launched by herself.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go in nineteen sixty three.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Guess what, first all female crew already sewn up. So
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: you know, in this whole who male female definition universe thing,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: gonna go ahead and say I'm gonna keep calling her
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: the first all female crew because that just is what
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: And I didn't, I didn't fully like I feel like
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: part of the story that And again, I know you
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: wanna stick with the facts. But I've also and I
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: didn't mention this, but part of the frustration that has
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: been expressed by people like Gail King is that, you know,
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: we did this so we could inspire women to have
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: a career in space travel. So that's where again I
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: think it's like, I mean, there was a rocket scientist
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: on board, right, I mean there was one on there,
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: but I don't think she was flying the thing.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: No, but she could have helped design it. She could
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: have I don't know, that's it. That's II sha bo.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: She's a former NASA aerospace engineer, and now she's gone
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: on to do some other, you know, projects beyond NASA,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: which is fine educational projects. I think that's great. I mean,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: she has a legitimate aerospace engineering degree from Michigan University,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: so you know, I mean she she's she's a rock scientist, right,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: that's that's that's fair. So and and yeah, if you
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: want to inspire people to be interested in space, I'm
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: all about it. I don't care if it's I didn't
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: care if it was Michael Strahan. He was a football player,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: but he inspired people to be interested in space. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: think that's great. Please don't say you're the same as
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Alan Shepard. Now listen if you want to walk through
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: that lily pad very carefully and say, well, we basically
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: did the same kind of a trip that Alan Shepherd
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: did when he made his first ever US solo human
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: space flight. Okay, sort of, but I feel like this.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, if I had taken this
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: flight and I suddenly compared myself to Alan Shepherd, it'd
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: be like saying that if I took a flight across
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: the country from where we live in Georgia to Seattle
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: that I'm the same as Lewis and Clark. Context matters,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: and when you're the very first ever human being to
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: do something, you're the first ever to do something. Even
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: though I rode in a plane before, I am not
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: the right brothers. So you got to be a bit
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: careful with those kinds of comparisons because context matters. Now,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: let me change hats really fast and say, but Gail,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be on your side to say you were
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: brave enough to strap your rear end on top of
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: one hundred and ten pounds thrust, not one hundred and
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: ten pounds, one hundred and ten thousand pounds of thrust
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: on a Blue Origin rocket and go above the Carmen line,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: which everybody to this day has called space. And I've
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: done it only there for eleven minutes. You were in space?
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Were you in space? Yes? Did you clear the pole
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: vault bar? Yes? You did, So we're gonna call you something.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: And I just don't think spaceflight participant or space even
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: space tourist. Man, I just don't know, Wes. I don't
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: know if that's enough, right. So I'm coming in. I'm
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: coming into this with kind of a dual mind, you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: for the you know, all female crew, careful there, right,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: But but for them I understand their frustration a little
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: bit because that's a spectacular achievement. It is not because
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: you learned how to fly a spaceship, not because you
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: actually built a spaceship, but you were brave enough to
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: participate in a mission where you went to space unquestionably.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: So what are we gonna do? Maybe you and I
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: need to coin a new term.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm just saying, if they really want us to
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: come up with a new term for it, I think
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: they should launch us up there and give us a
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: perspective on what that new term should be.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break here.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: When we come back, we're going to get into the
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: astronaut discussion, because there are some definitions of what actually
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: constitutes being an astronaut, and we'll get into that right
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: after this. So I think, if you can get in
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: a rocket and go up and just you know, spend
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: three minutes floating around in space and come straight back down, uh,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: you know, all these years later and you want to
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: compare yourself to Alan Shepherd, I think running the robot
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: vacuum around the house constitutes says I vacuumed the house.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Does that?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Does that count?
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Because I did that earlier and I'm fully prepared to
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: tell Jill, Hey, I vacuumed the house.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Wes I think if you wrote around on it like
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: one of those cats on a YouTube video. Yeah, sure, I.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Think I'm gonna rent our robot is named Rosie like
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: on the Jetsons. I think I'm gonna name rename the
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: robot Gail King.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: And you have every right to do so much, friend,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not gonna to do that. Come on.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So let's talk about astronaut. There are actual definitions
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: for what constitute astronauts, and NASA has one, the FAA
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: has one, the military has one. I feel like Blue
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: Origin probably has one as well, and they're quite comfortable
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: calling everyone who you know, shells out the money and
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: flies up to space on their ship an astronaut. But
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: let's go through some of those other definitions.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: If you steal a car, run a red light, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: slam into somebody else in the intersection, the news media
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: will call you a motorist. So if we could even
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: think of a name for those people, yeah, all right, So, yeah,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: the definitions here, let's go through those quickly, and by
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: the way, courtesy of w c NC tvw CNC dot com. So,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: but you know, you can also find these on the
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: websites of the various organizations. So, first of all, NASA,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: NASA on its website defines an astronaut, and so this
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: is what NASA's definition is. Again, for these are in context. Right,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: So let me back up half step and just say,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: if I want to be an Olympic gold medalist, the
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Olympic committee has to award me the medal, right, Like
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I can't just go print out my own gold medal
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: and run down the street for one hundred meters and
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: say I won and then give myself a gold medal. So,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that's what these Spaceflights participants have done, right,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: But I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is, if
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: you want it to be official, it's got to come
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: from an official organization. Well, so let's talk about some
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: of the official organizations. Here's NASA quote. The term astronaut
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: derives from the Greek word meaning space sailor, and refers
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: to all who have been launched as a crew or
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: as crew members aboard NASA spacecraft bound for orbit and beyond. Now,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: even there, I'm gonna bend their own definition because Alan
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Sheppard was suborbital. But okay, this is still from NASA.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: By the way, the term astronaut has been maintained as
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: the title for those selected to join the NASA Core
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: of Astronauts who make space sailing their career profession. Now,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I can tell you that among the staff here at
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: the Space Science Center, that's where the argument has focused.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: The argument has focused on, well, is it their job?
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Because the term astronaut is a job title like the
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: term firefighter. If if my back shed catches on fire
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: and I spray it to conclusion with a garden hose,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think that makes me a professional firefighter. That
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: means I just had a hose and put out. Right,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: So are these space flight participants? Is it their job
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: to go to space? And that's why putting the phrase
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: in there who makes space sailing their career profession on
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the NASA website kind of leans in that direction. Right,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: it's their everyday job, and they have spent years preparing
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to do their job in space, which is not just
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: to sit on a rocket and come back down real quickly.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: It's to go up there and actually do stuff once
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: you get up there. Right, Okay, there's NASA's definition. Let's
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: move on the FAA. The Federal Aviation Administration has their
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: own definition. It says this quote, members need to meet
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: specific flight crew training, be on a flight beyond fifty
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: miles above the service of the Earth, and demonstrate activities
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: during the flight that were essential to public safety or
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: contributed to human spaceflight safety. All right, there's some stuff.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Let's unpack that. First of all, fifty miles. I thought
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: we said it was sixty two. The Carmen line is
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: sixty two. But for decades, the Federal Aviation Administration and
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: the US military have had their own definition of quote
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: unquote space, and their definition is fifty miles, which is
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: eighty kilometers and not the one hundred kilometer Carmen line
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: that we have made reference to many times, which is
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: kind of honestly, it's kind of the modern definition of
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: what the line of space really is. Okay, all right.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: The other stuff in there to unpack in the FAA
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: is all that business about contributing essential things in public
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: safety or human space flight safety. I don't think the
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Blue Origin astronauts, including straight Hand, including Shatner, including Wally
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Funk is a person we haven't mentioned. Actually, Wally Funk
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: is a famous female aviator who was the first person
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: of some considerable age, by the way, to go up
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: on a Blue Origin flight. I don't think they performed
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: any activities that could be essential to public safety or
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: human spaceflightsf.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Not so fast, not so fast counterpoint, All right.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: We'll bring it because because this is a this is
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: a discussion.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: Now, if if I was there as the in the
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: early days of the the kevlar vest, the bullet proof vest, right,
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: and I say, put the vest on me and shoot
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: me in the chest and let's see if this thing works,
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: and then they do it, and then they go, look,
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: it works, I would argue that I was, you know,
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: basically contryributing to human safety moving forward. And as we
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: pointed out, these are people who got our rocket and
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: went to space, and this is still kind of in
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: the early stages of all of this, right, so they
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: basically are contributing. I mean, it's not probably in the
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: definition intended by the FAA, but I mean you could
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: stretch this a little bit and say hey, they are
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: part of this and eventually making this more accessible and
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: adding a comfort level to other people to do it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: I think that's why these people were chosen.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I think Look, I was already to joke around with
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: you and be silly, but I think you've made an
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: excellent point, which is they have contributed it to the perception,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: the public perception that the endeavor is safe, which is
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: a necessary component for commercial space tourism to move forward.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and just say
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: the very act of strapping themselves into a seat and
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: getting on that rocket and going does what you just said.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: It contributes to the perception, the public perception that the
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: endeavor is a safe event to participate in. And therefore,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: and look, I'm saying this in the context of transportation. Right.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: We had to do this with trains, Right, we had
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: to do this with automobiles, we had to do this
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: with aircraft. We're going to have to do this with
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: fully autonomous cars. You're going to have to have the
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: first wave of people who are willing to say, yep,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: strap me in, I'll ride around in that autonomous car
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: all day with no steering wheel and no brakes and
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: just hope the robot gets me home safe, because until
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: that happens, there will not be a public perception that
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: that endeavor is safe enough to participate in, and you
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: will not have driverless cars move forward. Right, So yeah,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I take it back. I mean, I think there's a
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: component that could be argued. So maybe they should go
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: get their astronaut wings from the FAA.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think they could make a case.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: At the very least. Now, I would just tell them
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: don't go in there and say, hey, I'm Alan Shephard.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, that would not be where you want to
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: start the case.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: That's all all right, military, I'm Orville, right, No, No, you.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Are a few flights down the chain from Orville, so
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: And then we have a military definition which the US
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Military says this, and this is almost you're almost there,
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: right to earn.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: An astronaut badge. This is you know, the definition provided
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: by w CNC dot com as to what the US
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Military described as their definition for being a military astronaut.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Here we go. To earn an astronaut badge, an active
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: duty US Air Force or US Navy and Marine Corps
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: officer must complete all required training well and if they
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: completed the required training by Blue Origin, they're still in
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: the game. Right.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: This is how you buckle the seat belt.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: And participate in a spaceflight of more than fifty miles.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: They're still there right above there. Oh wait a minute,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: it says all active duty officers. Oh oh wait oh,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: all active duty. So here's the thing. They're not going
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: to get awarded astronaut wings from the US military. This crew,
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: this all female crew of Blue Origin. They're not going
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: to give astronaut wings from the US Military. They're not
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: going to get astronaut wings from NASA for the reasons
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: we described. They might be eligible for FAA wings. You
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: know who? You know who. I think this really comes
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: down to. I think it comes down to Blue Origin.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: So Blue Origin ought to be petitioning the FAA or
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: perhaps one of these other official organizations to award their
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: spaceflight participants with astronaut wings based on a certain set
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: of criteria. Or you know, there's the American Association of
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Aeronautics and Astronautics like that could be an organization that
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: could award. Maybe they ought to do it through them.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: There needs to be a some organization needs to be
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: put upon to award based on certain criteria and maybe
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: not even called astronauts, but perhaps commercial astronauts, recreational astronauts,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: like some modifier in there, like Pluto's not a planet,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: it's a dwarf planet. Okay, Like what what's the modifier
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: that needs to be added to make it okay? And
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: then everybody who goes up on these missions should be
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: awarded that, you know, and then we should be done
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: with this conversation. That's my opinion.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: Well, and I know that I don't want it to
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: be as this is more of a reach. But when
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: it comes back to the term as laid out by NASA,
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: and I know that they're basically saying aboard NASA spacecraft, okay,
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: well that would discount you know, some of the Russian
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: craft that have gone up. I mean, you know, you
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: have to kind of I know that they were paying
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: for rides in that regard, but I mean, but if
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: we're talking about somebody who has chosen this as a
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: career profession, there are people who have chosen space sailing
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: as a career profession and never gone to space.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: There are some people who have maybe gone once and
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: thought I'm going to get a chance to go back
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: and then never got a chance to go back again.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: While it is still there, profession, it's still what they,
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: you know, are hoping to do. You and I have
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: talked with astronauts who are basically on standby for Hey,
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: if they need us to go up again, we'll be.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Glad to go up again.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: We are ready, even though they don't technic they're retired, right, so,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: but they would definitely go back up again. So if
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: one of these ladies, let's just say, I don't know,
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Katie Perry, decided, Look, I'm gonna make sure that I
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: am always in tip top shape so that I am
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: ready to go back to space if they need me to.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: And I'm going to read some books on flying rockets
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: or whatever. I mean, could she make a case that
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: she's chosen this as now her career profession, even if
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: she doesn't actually work for NASA.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: It's a reach. I know it's a reach, but I'm
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: just saying, I.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Mean, I don't know, I don't know if it's a reach,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think. So this is what's upsetting, right, this
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: is what's upsetting in people's minds. We have had vision
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: of what an astronaut is and these almost godlike figures
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: in American society, in particular astronauts. It just means something right.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: And yes, all the female astronauts like Sally Ryde, Nileen
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Collins and all of them, all of them.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: All of them. I gotta get her in there, her
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: friend of the show.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: All of them because through hard work and achievement and
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: a competitive process to be accepted, they were chosen based
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: on their knowledge, skills and abilities to be part of
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: an exclusive team inside the US government that was chosen
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: as a space explorer for physical, mental, emotional, you know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: high levels of acumen in all of these fields. And
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: that time is still here because that course still exists.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: But we also are now in a time where you
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: have really had some good record deals and you could
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: just lay down a check or maybe you had some
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: great seasons in the NFL. And you know, I'm being
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: careful here because I'm not naming names here because I
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: don't think those I don't know that those people paid
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: for their flights, like I was a part of that
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: arrangement that may have been Jeff Bezos and Blue Origin
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: just saying we want famous people to go to space
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: so that everybody thinks it's safe, like based on the
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: FAA thing again, right, So, so, but we have to
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: accept the fact that we are living in a time
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: where you can actually buy your way into this privilege
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: that we once considered unattainable by any method except excellence.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: And so it's really us that has this problem, right,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: us society, Right, we're the ones like, wait a minute,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: astronaut is a godlike creature with amazing abilities above and
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: beyond the average human. They're almost like a comic book figure.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: You can't just buy your way into that. Well, guess
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: what you can? Yes, you can, because it's twenty twenty five. Yeah,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: and the endeavor of going to space is changing. So
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: we've got to think of new language. Right. If we're
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: gonna say astronaut is only for that exclusive, competitive based,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: knowledge based entry into a government NASA mission, then we're
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: gonna have to come up with a new word. The
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: old Greek space sailor is just not gonna cut it anymore.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: So let's all work together and think of a term
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: of respect, by the way, not a term of derision,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: a term of extreme respect for just the average people
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: who are willing to put themselves on a rocket and
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: go to Space.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: And again Blue Origin, if you'd like to invite Now,
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: we don't have Katie Perry money if she did pay
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: her way, but if you'd like to invite us to
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: come up and go up on a future mission, we'd
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: love to go up and become astronauts, and then we
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: would definitely do everything in our power to petition the
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: FAA to make sure that we and everyone else got
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: their wings properly. That's all I'm saying. I'm just offering
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: that up if you needed any extra incentive to invite us,
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: because I'm sure you and I would be able to
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: describe it unlike anyone.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Else has described it. As members of space media.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Hashtag send Shawn and West to space.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Coming up after one more quick break.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: There are a few other things in Space News to
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: talk about, and we're going to talk about the spectacular
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: aurora that happened, and we'll get into that right after this.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: We spent a lot of time talking about the ladies,
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: but now we got to move on to a couple
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: of other things, and I want to talk about the aurora,
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: but also Perseverance, the gold mine that they hit of
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Mars rocks. This is pretty good stuff.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: A couple of good stories. So just Wes Carrol, I
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: almost text you yesterday afternoon. I almost sent you a
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: text and said, Hey, the Sun has bombarded the Earth
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: with two conjoining coronal mass ejections and these colliding coronal
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: mass ejections are reverberating in the Earth's magnetic field, and
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: we should have aurora within the next hour or so.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: But the problem was I didn't do that because it
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: was four in the afternoon and it's like, oh, but
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: it's four hours till sunset here. And that's kind of
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: what happened. There was a severe geomagnetic storm yesterday afternoon
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: eastern daylight time that people kind of in different time
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: zones from US really got some great opportunities to see
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Aurora borealis in both hemispheres, both in New Zealand and
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: that kind of a longitude in the southern hemisphere and
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: also in Europe along that longitude in the northern hemisphere.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: And it just didn't quite last long enough for the
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: sun to go down here on the east coast of
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: the US and for those dark skies to reveal any
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: glowing Aurora borealis over our head, which it's got to
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: be a pretty good storm we're down here at latitude
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: thirty two point five, so it's got to be a
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: pretty good storm before we're going to see it. Anyway,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: it was a G four class geomagnetic storm, which is
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: a very strong one. But the problem is that it
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: only lasted for a brief time. They saw these lights
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: as far south as France in Europe, you know, people
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: in Finland were having a great view. And again both
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: hemispheres sought down the southern hemisphere. We call that the
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Southern lights or the Aurora Australis. And so yeah, it's
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: it's looking like that's all subsiding. The storm is now
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: down to a G one or G two. I actually
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: went out when it was still dark early this morning
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: just to take a look and go, hey did it
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: did it fly fire back up again or anything? But no.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Alas So, if you want to keep track of when
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: you could potentially see Aurora borealis or Northern lights in
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: your or Aurora Australis for our list in the south.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: If you want to know when that is a possibility,
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: check out spaceweather dot com. It's a great website for that.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: All right, let's talk about perseverance, because a fantastic. Would
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: you refer to this as the Mars rock gold Mine?
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So this is a story. Check it out on
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: space dot com. But you can find the story in
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: lots of different places because it's a big deal. And
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: what's happening right now is that the Mars Perseverance Rover,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: for its whole time up on Mars, which is years,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: has been driving around looking at very similar terrain. It's
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: been climbing up the edge of a crater called the
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Jezzaro Crater and all the rocks along the way. It's
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: made some interesting discoveries, but it's just that it hasn't
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: seen a lot of what we would call on Earth
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: geological diversity, right It hasn't seen different types of rocks
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: sitting next to each other. It's been a lot of
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: the same stuff. But now it is actually inside the
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Jezzaro Crater after its long climb, it is now inside
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: the western rim of that feature, and it's currently exploring
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: a four hundred and forty five foot tall slope called
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: which Hazel Hill. Which Hazel Hill, And so it's a
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: really interesting part of this giant impact crater upon the
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: surface of Mars, which we also know in the past
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: was a Martian lake. At one time it was filled
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: with liquid water in Mars distant past. Well, what the
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Perseverance Rover is finding on which Hazel Hill just inside
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: the Jesero Crater, is all kinds of geological diversity, all
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: types of different rock formations. Some are volcanic, some are
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: created through impact or meteoritic or asteroid impacts. Some have
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: hydrological influences, which means they were built up over time
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: in layers of water, right or in layers by water,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: is what I want to say. And so all of
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: these things are in a relatively close location. So right
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: now the Perseverance Rover has been able to put itself
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: in a place where almost every direction it looks, it's
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: seeing really different and interesting stuff. So, as the article says,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: the rover has performed close up analysis of seven rocks,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: analyzed another eighty three rocks, and from afar has been
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: zapping other rock features with its laser to do chemical testing.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: But the big thing is it's been able to actually
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: core take core samples of five different rocks from the
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: rim and seal those core samples up in sealed tubes
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: for later collection by a Mars sample return mission. So
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: it's stowing away samples for a future mission to come
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: get these things and bring them back to the Earth
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: so we can look at these very interesting rock samples
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: from inside the western rim of Jesuo Crater in a
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: laboratory back on Earth. And so that's a big deal.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: You can check it out both on space dot com,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: but also go to JPL dot NASA dot gov and
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: they have a story on there as well.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: More Made of Stars.
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: Right after this, all right, let's talk about the Cocola
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: Space Science Center. You guys have a special edition of
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: Music under the Dome coming up in a couple of weeks.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this Music under the Dome is going to be
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: very different from our typical Music under the Dome concerts.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: So let me describe the typical ones first, which is
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: we have musicians and singers from the Schwob School of
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Music here at Columbus State University and from that shop
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: School of Music, they come in and perform inside our
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: planetarium here at CSU's Coca Cola Space Science and it's
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: a joint site and sound venture that we have called
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Music under the Dome. We have original artists who have
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: produced video and graphics to show up on the dome
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: that are choreographed to the music being performed by are
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: very talented faculty in students from the Shoup School of Music. Okay,
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: so that's your average music under the dome, right, So
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: to say there's an average music under the dome is
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: kind of like saying there's an average total eclipse of
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: the sun. But anyway, right, so it's pretty spectacular event
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: at any time. Well, this month, in the coming month
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: of May, we have a performer who's coming in and
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: using the disc lavere instrument, the nine foot concert grand
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Yamaha piano that sits inside of our Omosphere Theater, which
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: is not just a typical piano, it's actually kind of
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: a starship of a piano because it can digitally interface
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: with the planetarium dome. And the musical artist coming in
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: his name is Dan Tepfer, and Dan Tepfer is going
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: to be playing the disc clavier and while he's playing,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: he will also be controlling his own graphics up on
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: the dome of the planetarium, so both site and sound
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: will be generated from the disc lavier piano. This, friends,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: is a first for us here at Columbus State University's
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: COCA Cola Space Science Center. It demonstrates the full capabilities
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: of this marvelous instrument called the disk lavier, which was
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: donated to the Shop School of Music by Gail Greenblatt
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: and Gail, we'd just like to say thank you for
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: that donation to Columbus State University. On behalf of the
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Shop School of Music, I'm going to offer that up
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: and friends, it's going to be a one of a
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: kind concert. Please, if you haven't gotten tickets already, reserve
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: your tickets now. Go to www dot CCSSC dot org
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: and understand that if by the time you hear this
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: and they're sold out, there will still be a few
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: tickets for sale on the night of the concert. You
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: can find out all the information on all those seats
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: and tickets at the website once again, www dot cc
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: SSC dot org. Charlie Charlie SamSam Charlie dot org. Those
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: are the initials, of course, for the Coca Cola Space
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Science Center.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: Friends, if you play a starship of a piano, does
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: that make you Mickey Thomas? Sorry, I just had to
• 51:23
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