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Lourdes Gonzalez Murder Details and Investigation Timeline · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and two, the most famous wrongful conviction
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in American history was overturned. I mean, we all know
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the story freeing the young man. We know is the
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Central Park five. It was this massive historic moment. The
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headlines were celebrating the DNA evidence, the exonerationally. Yeah, finally,
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this long overdue correction of just a terrible, systemic wrong.
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And this is why we're doing this deep dive today.
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What the history books and the documentaries usually leave out
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is that their freedom, their definitive exoneration, was essentially paid
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for by the blood of a twenty four year old mother, Yeah,
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in a basement apartment thirteen years earlier.
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Speaker 2: It's a hard truth to look at, it really is.
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Speaker 1: So today we are looking at the forgotten epicenter of
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nineteen eighty nine true crime. We were going to unpack
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a massive stack of sources for you today. I've got contemporaries,
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news reports, really dense court records from the early nineties,
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deeply personal family interviews which are just heartbreaking, oh totally heartbreaking.
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And we're also pulling from the twenty twenty six Netflix
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documentary series Homicide New York, specifically season two, episode four,
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which is titled Your Eyes or Your Life right, because
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our mission today is to understand the brutal nineteen eighty
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nine murder of Lord's Gonzales Serrano, because well, understanding her
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story is really the only way to truly understand the
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mechanics of the Central Park five case and the systemic
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failures of a city that was basically on the brink.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the unimaginable sacrifice of a mother. You know,
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it happens constantly in historical analysis, especially when we look
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back at eras of just extreme urban crisis. We get
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drawn to the loudest noise human nature, right exactly. We
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focus on the sensational narrative that dominated the evening news,
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and in doing so we completely miss the silent structural
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truths that actually explain why the system fractured in the
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first place. When we look at the criminal justice system
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in New York City in nineteen eighty nine, we are
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looking at had an ecosystem suffering from systemic overwhelmedness. It's
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an environment where critical connections, obvious clues, and clear patterns
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are just missed. And my core belief when analyzing these
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historical flashpoints is that without seeking out the overlooked perspectives,
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you know, the secondary victims, the names that didn't make
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the front page of the tabloids. Our understanding of the
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era is fundamentally broken. Lords Gonzalez is the key to understanding.
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Speaker 1: All of it. I look at it like a solar system.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: The media, the public, the history books, they all focus
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on the giant, flashy planets, the Central Park, Jogger case,
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it's Jupiter, the political panic of nineteen eighty nine, the
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tabloid headlines screaming about juvenile delinquents. That's sadder.
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Speaker 2: They take up all the space in the sky.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, They take up all the space in the sky.
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But Lord's Gonzales. She is the gravitational center. She is
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the sun that actually holds his entire tragic truth together. Yeah.
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If you remove her from the equation.
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Speaker 2: The orbits of everything else stop making sense.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, all just falls apart. And to you listening right now,
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I just want to be clear. We are going to
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navigate through a very dark chapter today. We are going
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to look at violent crime, extreme childhood trauma, and institutional failure.
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Heavy stuff, very heavy. But the goal here isn't just
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to dwell in the darkness. We are going to extract
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the crucial lessons about human resilience, about how paper based
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policing actually functioned or failed to function, and how about
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the butterfly effect of a single crime.
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Speaker 2: Because we need to understand how one act of violence
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can ripple out and capsize lives for decades.
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Speaker 1: Right, So to understand the crime, we have to understand
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the specific ecosystem that allowed a predator to camouflage himself
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so effectively.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, we have to look at the landscape of New
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York City in the summer of nineteen eighty nine. This
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was a city operating at an absolute boiling point. The
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crack cocaine epidemic had firmly taken root, and it was
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reshaping the socioeconomic geography of the Burrows. We are talking
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about an entire life new drug economy that fueled hyper
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violent turf wars and drove street level crime to absolutely
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unprecedented heights. I mean, the murder rate was approaching a
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staggering two thousand homicides annually.
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Speaker 1: Let's just pause on that number for a second, because
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if you're listening, you hear a statistic like two thousand
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murders and your brain just sort of glazes over it's
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too big, it becomes abstract, right, abstract. So mathematically, what
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does that actually mean for the physical infrastructure of a city.
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Speaker 2: Well, it means the infrastructure is in a constant state
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of triage.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, two thousand murders a year breaks down to an
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average of five to six homicides every single.
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Speaker 1: Day, every single day, every day.
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Speaker 2: And that doesn't even include the non fatal shootings, the
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aggravated assaults, the robberies, the rapes. For a police force,
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for the homicide detectives, the crime scene units, and the
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medical examiners, the processing clerks, it is a conveyor belt
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of trauma that never stops, just relentless completely. The detectives
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are carrying caseloads make thorough, methodical investigation nearly impossible. You
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are responding to a scene, collecting the absolute bare minimum
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of evidence, and before you can even sit down to type.
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Speaker 1: Up the report, the radio is going off.
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Speaker 2: Exactly your radio is calling you to another body three
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blocks away.
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Speaker 1: And while the police are drowning in this volume, the
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public psyche is completely fracturing. People are terrified. They're reading
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these tabloid headlines that paint the city as an unlivable
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apocalyptic wasteland. The fear was palpable, oh completely. This is
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the summer where the term wilding infects the public consciousness.
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It was this highly charged, panic inducing word used to
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describe packs of youths supposedly roaming the streets committing random,
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senseless acts of violence, and it created this intense, hysterical
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demand for the authorities to do something. The pressure from
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the mayor's office down to the precinct captain's was enormous
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ye find the bad guys, clear the streets, close the.
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Speaker 2: Cases, and that demand for a meet idi resolution creates
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a very dangerous cognitive environment for investigators. How so well,
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when the public and the media are demanding a specific
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type of villain, in this case, the wilding teenagers, investigators
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develop a cute tunnel vision. They start looking for evidence
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that fits the narrative the city wants, and they become
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blind to anomalies. They become blind to the quiet, methodical
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predator who doesn't fit the screaming headline.
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Speaker 1: Which brings us right to the center of our solar system.
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In the middle of this boiling cauldron of a city,
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we find Lord X Gonzalez Serrano In nineteen eighty nine,
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She is twenty four years old. She is a proud
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Native New Yorker. Physically, the sources describe her as very small.
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She is five foot one, weighing barely one hundred pounds.
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But the word that comes up over and over again
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from her family is fierce.
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Speaker 2: She was the anchor of her family. She worked at
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Red Apple Groceries up on ninety six then Broadway, And
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this is a crucial detail because it owns her in
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the working class reality of the era. She wasn't insulated
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from the city.
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Speaker 1: She was out in it every single day, right taking
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the subway, interacting with people exactly.
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Speaker 2: She dealt with the public, She navigated the transit system,
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She worked exhausting shifts to provide for her family in
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an environment that felt inherently unstable. She embodies this incredible resilience.
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Speaker 1: And the origin story of her family is just beautiful.
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It's this profound counter narrative to everything we just talked
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about regarding nineteen eighty nine.
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Speaker 2: It really is.
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Speaker 1: Lords meets Antonio Serrano. Everyone called him Tony. He's a
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Puerto Rican single father. They meet in nineteen eighty six
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on a Bronx bound one train. Yeah, and they meet
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because Antonio accidentally missed his stop and stayed on the
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train too long. Yeah, fate literally kept him on the
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subway so he could bump into Lords.
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Speaker 2: It's the quintessential New York serendipity totally. You have millions
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of people moving through the subterranean transit system and two
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lives intersect permanently because of a miss stop. But the
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sociological layer here is the language barrier.
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Speaker 1: Oh right.
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Speaker 2: When they met, Lords didn't speak much Spanish and Antonio
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didn't speak much English.
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Speaker 1: So they taught each other. They sat together and exchanged
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their languages. She taught him English, he taught her Spanish.
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They reconnected a few days later, and within a month
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they moved in together.
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Speaker 2: They moved fast, they did.
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Speaker 1: They created this beautifully blended family unit. They moved into
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a basement apartment at fifty three East ninety seventh Street,
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where Antonio took a job as the building superintendent.
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Speaker 2: Which is a tough job in the city.
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Speaker 1: Very tough. And Lord's already had a son, Carlos, who
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is about six years old. In nineteen eighty nine, Antonio
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had his son, Tony Junior, who was nearly seven, and
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Lords didn't skip a beat. She embraced Tony Junior as
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if he were her own flesh and blood.
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Speaker 2: That's so rare and special it is.
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Speaker 1: The two boys shared a room, they played with legos
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on the floor. They bonded completely, like biological brothers, and.
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Speaker 2: By early nineteen eighty nine, that family was expanding. In March,
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they welcomed a baby girl, Amanda. The family described her
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as this incredibly happy baby with wide eyes and full cheeks,
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completely doted on by both Lords and Antonio, and.
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Speaker 1: Worshiped by the two older boys from what the interviews.
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Speaker 2: Say, absolutely worshiped.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And then as we approached June of nineteen eighty nine,
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Lords discovers she is pregnant again. She's due right after
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the new year. They had literally just celebrated this news
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on June thirteenth, just the day before the tragedy strikes.
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Speaker 1: They were building this localized version of the American dream
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right there in that basement apartment. But they weren't naive, right, No,
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not at all. They were hyper aware of the reality
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right outside their door. They were actively planning an escape.
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They wanted to leave the muggings on their block behind.
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Antonio's tool filled truck had recently been stolen, which was
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a massive blow to his livelihood.
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Speaker 2: Because a super needs his tools.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, so they were mapping out a move to Philadelphia.
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They wanted more space, a yard, safety for these four
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children they were preparing to raise together.
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Speaker 2: The juxtaposition is vital to understand. Here. Inside the walls
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of that basement apartment on ninety seventh Street, you have
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language exchange, the merging of families, the celebration of a
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new pregnancy, profound love. But outside those walls, you have
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a city suffering from structural collapse, suffocated by the crack economy,
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and a historic murder rate.
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Speaker 1: Wait, though, I want to push back on that a little.
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We always hear about the gritty eighties as this apocalyptic wasteland.
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The movies, the documentaries, they constantly push this narrative of
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a terrifying, unlivable New York.
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Speaker 2: Suree.
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Speaker 1: But looking at Lords and Antonio meeting on a subway
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teaching each other language, is blending their families working as
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a super and a grocery clerk planning a move to Philly.
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I mean, isn't there this massive defiant optimism here that
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we are completely erasing from history when we only focus
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on the crime stats.
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Speaker 2: That is the exact blind spot of historical true crime.
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The headlines scream about the two thousand murders, but they
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completely ignore the millions of working class people like Lords
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and Antonio who were actively building communities, raising children, and
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carving out joy in the midst of the chaos. The
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narrative of the gritty eighties flattens the human experience. It
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reduces entire neighborhoods into caricatures of victims and predators. It
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ignores the incredible vitality that existed. People weren't just cowering
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behind locked doors. They were falling in love on the
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one train. They were working the registers at Red Apple.
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They were dreaming of a better life in Philadelphia.
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Speaker 1: And that profound optimism makes what happens next so much
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more devastating. The future they were building crashes violently into
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the exact reality of the city they were trying to escape. Yeah,
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that takes us to June fourteenth, nineteen eighty nine, a
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day that begins with the totally mundane routines of family
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life and ends in a level of horror that is, well,
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it's difficult to comprehend.
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Speaker 2: We have to look at the timeline walk us through it.
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It's around five pm. Antonio is away from the apartment.
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He's up to the Bronx handling some business. Lords is
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at home. She's in the kitchen with little three month
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old Amanda. The two boys, seven year old Tony and
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six year old Carlos, are watching television and playing with
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their legos in the living room. It's a standard quiet
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summer late afternoon, and then there is a knock at
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the door.
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Speaker 1: Now, Antonio is the building super so a knock at
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the door of the basement apartment isn't inherently a red flag, right,
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Tenants need a leaky pipe fixed, people drop by to
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pick up spare keys.
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Speaker 2: It's just part of the job exactly.
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Speaker 1: So Lords tells seven year old Tony to go answer it.
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Tony opens the door and standing there is an eighteen
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year old man. He's light skinned, has short hair. He's
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wearing dark blue pants, a white and blue short sleeve shirt,
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and white sneakers. This is Mattias Reys. He asks the
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seven year old for the superintendent. Tony tells him as
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his dad is out, and then Rays just pushes his
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way past the boy. Tony later noted in interviews that
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the man was just too big for him to stop.
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He was just a child, right. So Rayes steps into
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the apartment and immediately demands change. Demands money, but there
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isn't any money to give him.
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Speaker 2: The psychology of this moment is critical. Lords registers the
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threat instantaneously. She doesn't freeze, not at all. Her maternal
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instinct completely overrides any paralysis. She takes the three month
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old baby Amanda, hands her to the two young boys
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and orders them to go into their bedroom and lock
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the door behind them.
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Speaker 1: She acts as a human blast shield.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is.
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Speaker 1: I keep coming back to that visual. She is literally
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standing between this massive, violent intruder and her children. She
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absorbs the entirety of the kinetic energy of this violence
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so the shrapnel doesn't hit her kids. She locks them away,
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knowing she's leaving herself trapped in a room with a predator.
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Speaker 2: It is the ultimate sacrifice. She removes the primary targets
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her children from his line of sight. What follows is
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five agonizing, brutal minutes. God Rayes overpowers her, He rapes her,
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and he pulls out a kitchen knife, issuing a highly specific,
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calculated threat that will become crudal to the investigation. Later,
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he says, your eyes or your kids, or, as he
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phrased it to other victims, your eyes or your life.
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Speaker 1: Explain the mechanism of that specific threat, because I remember
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seeing this in the documentary and it's so specific. Why
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the eyes.
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Speaker 2: It's a terror tactic designed for absolute compliance and self preservation.
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By threatening a victim's eyes, the attacker achieves two things simultaneously. First,
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he induces a paralyzing primal fear. The thought of being
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blinded is universally terrifying. Second, and practically, if the victim
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covers their eyes or turns away to protect their face,
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they cannot look at him. They cannot memorize his facial features,
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his hair, his eye color. It is a calculated method
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to ensure the victim can never provide an accurate description
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to a police sketch artist.
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Speaker 1: Is so deeply calculated it is.
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Speaker 2: And by adding or your kids to the threat, he
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is leveraging Lord's deepest vulnerability against her. Comply or I
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go into that bed.
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Speaker 1: But Lord, is this five foot one, one hundred pound
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pregnant woman. She completely defies him, She fought him, She
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fights back with everything she has. She screams. She screams,
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my head, my head, I'm bleeding. She pleads for her children,
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Please stop, Please don't hurt my kids. You can take
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anything you want. She fights him so fiercely that she
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actually calls him a motherfucker and orders him to get
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out of her home.
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Speaker 2: Her resistance disrupts his control. Reyes is armed, he is
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physically larger, and he escalates the violence to lethal levels.
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He stabs her nine times, unbelievable. He targets her face,
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her chest, and her abdomen, inflicting catastrophic fatal wounds that
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ultimately kill both Lords and her unborn child.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the boys for a second,
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because this is a detail that is so hard to process.
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If you're trying to put yourself in their shoes, How
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does a six year old and a seven year old
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process auditory trauma of this magnitude. I mean, they are
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locked behind a wooden door, They are holding a three
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month old baby. They hear the physical strug, they hear
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the impacts. They hear their mother screaming, fighting, pleading for
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their lives, but they can't physically see what is happening.
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What does that specific type of sensory input due to
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a developing brain.
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Speaker 2: It is neurologically devastating. When a child experiences extreme auditory
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trauma without visual confirmation, the brain goes into overdrive trying
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to predict the threat, making it up exactly. The amygdala,
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which is the brain's fear center, is hijacked. It floods
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the central nervous system with massive amounts of cortisol and adrenaline.
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But because the child is trapped in a room, they
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cannot execute a fight or flight response, just frozen. They
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are frozen, and without visual input, the imagination constructs endless
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permutations of the horror happening on the other side of
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the door. The brain cannot process the reality of the violence,
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so it often fragments the memory as a defense mechanism.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: The child absorbs the sheer terror of the person they
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rely on for survival being destroyed, but they have no
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physical outlet for that terror. It fundamentally alters the physical
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architecture of their developing prefrontal cortex. It wires their brain
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for permanent hypervigilance. They learn at a cellular level that
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nowhere is safe.
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Speaker 1: And when the horrific sounds finally stop and they hear
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the front door close as ray As flees the apartment.
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The boys cautiously open the bedroom door and emerge. And
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the detail here from the interviews that is just gut wrenching.
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Seven year old Tony takes little baby Amanda, who is
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still swaddled in her blanket, and he hides her in
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a closet. Yeah, he hides the infant in the dark
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to keep her safe, just in case the monster comes back.
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Speaker 2: It demonstrates how deeply Lordis's protective instinct had already been
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imprinted onto those boys. Their very first action, amid the
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unimaginable trauma of stepping out and seeing their mother bleeding
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out on the floor, was to secure the most vulnerable
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member of their unit. They mimicked their mother's final act
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of protection.
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Speaker 1: Lordus is on the floor. She is bleeding from nine
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stab wounds. Her vital organs are failing, but her fight
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still isn't over. No, she kept through sheer unfathomable will power.
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She drags herself to the phone and dials nine one one.
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With the transcripts of this call from the court records,
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just says to the operator, give you the police please,
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It's an emergency. I'm bleeding to death. Yeah. The operator,
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trying to follow a protocol, ask for details, and Lords replies, yes,
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I'm cut in the basement. I'm fading. I'm fading, basement. Hurry, hurry.
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Speaker 2: The physiological reality of making that call is staggering. She's
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experiencing massive hemorrhagic shock, her blood pressure is plummeting, her
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brain is being starved of oxygen, and yet she maintains
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enough cognitive focus to relay her location and the urgency
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of the situation. She is using her literal last breaths
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to ensure that someone comes for her children before she
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loses consciousness.
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Speaker 1: The boys realize they need more help. They run out
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into the hallway. They try to get into the elevator,
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but they don't have the key for it, so they
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run up the stairs to the street level. They frantically
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find a neighbor, Harriet Zeichner, and they tell her that
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there must is badly hurt. Harriet immediately calls nine one
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to one as well.
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Speaker 2: Good.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Lords, refusing to just die on that floor, staggers
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out of the apartment. She is bleeding heavily, her clothes
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are ripped. She collapses in the hallway near the elevator,
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mumbling to whoever will listen about a baby downstairs. Yeah,
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she has rushed to Saint Luke's Roosevelt Hospital, but the
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damage is too severe. She dies at eight pm that night.
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She never got the chance to describe the man who
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did this to her.
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Speaker 2: She gave everything she had. She weaponized her own body
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to ensure those children survived the initial attack and physically
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they did, but emotionally, as we'll explore, they were left
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carrying a psychological burden that no child should ever have
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to bear.
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Speaker 1: So the police arrive. The NYPD Manhattan North Homicide and
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Sex Crimes units descend on the basement apartment, and initially,
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as his standard procedure in almost every domestic homicide, suspicion
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falls squarely on Antonio, the husband.
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Speaker 2: Always that's been first, right, But.
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Speaker 1: They pull him in, they verify alibi, They confirm he
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was up in the bronx, and he is quickly cleared.
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So if Antonio's alibi is airtight, the police are suddenly
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standing in a basement with no physical suspect and two
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traumatized children as their only eyewitnesses. How do they even
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begin to hunt for this guy?
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Speaker 2: They have to rely on the fragile memory of a
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six year old and a seven year old. The detectives
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bring in a sketch artist. Using the boy's accounts, the
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light skin, the short hair, the specific clothing, they managed
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to build a composite sketch of the attacker.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: This sketch gets reproduced and distributed city wide. But a
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sketch is only as good as the eyes looking for it.
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The real breakthrough for the detectives comes when they analyze
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the behavioral evidence.
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Speaker 1: The MOO the modus operandi exactly.
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Speaker 2: They look closely at the specific threat ray is used.
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Your eyes or your kids and your eyes are your life.
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That phrasing is highly idiosyncratic.
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Speaker 1: It's not a generic thing, right, It's very specific.
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Speaker 2: When the sex crimes unit starts cross referencing recent cases,
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that specific phrasing lights up like a beacon. It matches
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three prior home invasions and sexual assaults that had occurred
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recently on the Upper east.
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Speaker 1: Side, so they start connecting the dots on this pattern.
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The attacker poses as a repairman, where he specifically asks
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for the superintendent. He uses this mundane deception to get
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the door open. Once inside, he wields a knife and
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he immediately issues this blinding threat to ensure the victims
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won't look at his face. And crucially, there are absolutely
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no personal connections between any of the victims. This is
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in the domestic dispute spilling over. This is a pure
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stranger on stranger serial offender operating in their city.
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Speaker 2: We now have the benefit of hindsight to view the
21:37
full timeline of Mattias Reyes's.
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Speaker 1: Spree laid out for us.
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Speaker 2: He was eighteen years old, living at eighteen fifty one
21:43
Third Avenue and working as a deli clerk at one
21:46
hundred and second and Third Avenue. From September nineteen eighty
21:50
eight through August nineteen eighty nine, he committed a relentless
21:53
string of attacks wow In September eighty eight, he committed
21:57
an attempted rape. On April seventeenth, eighty nine, a brutal
22:01
rape near Laskar Rink in Central Park. On June eleventh,
22:05
eighty nine, he escalated to extreme violence during a sexual
22:08
assault in Brooklyn, where he actually stabbed the victim in
22:12
the face while using his eyes or your life threat.
22:15
Speaker 1: Just three days before Lord's.
22:17
Speaker 2: Exactly, and then just three days later on June fourteenth,
22:20
he knocks on lord as his door. He continues into
22:22
July with more rapes.
22:24
Speaker 1: Wait, I need to stop you and back up to
22:26
a specific date you just dropped. April seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine,
22:29
the rape near Laskar Rink in Central Park. Because this
22:32
is the critical, unforgivable missed opportunity of this entire saga.
22:36
If you're listening, this part is going to make.
22:38
Speaker 2: You so angry it's infuriating.
22:40
Speaker 1: During that specific attack, the victim fought back fiercely. She
22:44
managed to physically injure Rayes. During the struggle, she gave
22:48
him a deep wound on his chin that was severe
22:50
enough that it wouldn't stop pleading. It required medical attention. Right,
22:54
The police get this description, a Hispanic male attacker with
22:58
a fresh, bleeding wound on his chin that likely needed stitches.
23:02
The police take that information and they actually track this
23:05
lead to Metropolitan Hospital. Yeah, and they find Mattias Reyes
23:09
sitting there getting his chin stitched up.
23:11
Speaker 2: Yes, they literally had the serial rapist sitting in a
23:14
hospital chair, matching the description with the exact injury the
23:18
victim described.
23:19
Speaker 1: So how does he walk out of that hospital? What happened?
23:21
Speaker 2: It is a catastrophic failure of gureacratic procedure. The detective
23:25
assigned to follow up on the Lascar rink case gets
23:28
transferred to a different assignment.
23:29
Speaker 1: You're kidding.
23:30
Speaker 2: When he leaves, the lead isn't properly handed off. The
23:34
case file is essentially shoved into a drawer and closed prematurely.
23:37
No follow up interrogation happens, no background check is run.
23:41
They stitch him up, and they let him walk right
23:43
out the front doors of Metropolitan Hospital.
23:45
Speaker 1: So wait, if we look at the timeline, if they
23:48
had just held him at the hospital on April seventeenth,
23:52
the June fourteenth murder of Lord's Gonzalez never happens. The
23:55
subsequent rapes in July and August never happened. A mother
23:58
gets to raise her children because a detective does his paperwork.
24:01
Speaker 2: YEP.
24:02
Speaker 1: It's infuriating. Yeah, but I have to ask you, is
24:05
it really just negligence? I mean, we just talked about
24:07
a city with two thousand murders a year, the crack epidemic,
24:11
the wilding panic demanding all police attention. Yeah, with that
24:15
sheer crushing volume of violence crashing into these precincts every
24:19
single day, was this just a lazy detective, Or was
24:22
the physical system of policing in nineteen eighty nine mathematically
24:25
designed to fail victims like lords? How can any precinct
24:29
track a chin stitch lead across multiple burrows when there
24:32
are bodies dropping every few hours.
24:34
Speaker 2: To understand how a failure of this magnitude occurs, you
24:36
have to understand the physical reality of a police precinct
24:39
in nineteen eighty nine. You have to strip away our
24:41
modern understanding of digitized databases and instantaneous cross referencing. Right,
24:46
no computers think of a nineteen eighty nine precinct like
24:49
a massive, flooded switchboard. The information isn't living in a cloud.
24:54
It is physical. It is written on triplicate carbon copy forms.
24:58
It is stuffed into Zella folders, stacked on overflowing desks.
25:03
It is scribbled on whiteboards just paper everywhere. The institutional
25:06
knowledge of a neighborhood lives entirely inside the brains of
25:10
individual detectives. If a detective gets transferred, his mental index
25:15
of suspects, patterns and street level intelligence leaves the building
25:19
with him.
25:19
Speaker 1: So if a new detective inherits a stack of folders,
25:23
he doesn't know that the hispanic mail with chin stitches
25:26
in folder A might be connected to the repairman with
25:28
a knife in folder B, because there's no computer program
25:31
highlighting the overlap.
25:32
Speaker 2: Exactly. If we connect this to the bigger picture, this
25:34
is the exact danger of information overload in a precinct.
25:38
The mathematical reality of two thousand murders meant that theorosynthesis
25:42
was a physical impossibility. The data was there, the stitches,
25:45
the hospital visit them, but the capacity to synthesize that
25:49
data was missing. Right, the system wasn't necessarily malicious in
25:52
its negligence. It simply collapsed under the sheer weight of
25:55
an epidemic of violence. It wasn't designed to process that
25:58
much trauma simultaneous.
26:00
Speaker 1: The dam was overflowing, and Ray has slips right through
26:03
the spillway, And because the system failed to proactively stop him,
26:08
it meant the burden of stopping him would fall into
26:10
the shoulders of everyday citizens.
26:12
Speaker 2: Which is terrifying.
26:13
Speaker 1: It is it would take the bravery of another victim
26:16
to finally end this spring. That takes us to August fifth,
26:19
nineteen eighty nine, the end of the line from Mattias Rays.
26:23
Speaker 2: By August Rays's audacity had escalated significantly. He targets a
26:27
young fashion student identified in police reports as Meg. He
26:31
follows her into her apartment building near ninety first and Lexington.
26:35
He forces his way into her apartment, violently rapes her,
26:38
and demands her bank cards. But Meg is incredibly resilient
26:42
and resourceful. In a moment of distraction, she manages to
26:45
escape the apartment. She runs out down the stairs and
26:47
into the lobby.
26:48
Speaker 1: And this is where the community does what the police couldn't.
26:51
Meg alerts the building superintendent and another resident in the lobby,
26:56
and as ray As comes casually walking downstairs, because why
27:00
wouldn't he He's gotten away with this over and over again,
27:03
the super and the resident physically confront him. They step up,
27:05
they grab him, they tackle him to the ground, and
27:08
they hold him detained in the lobby until the police arrive.
27:11
Speaker 2: It's a profound moment of civilian intervention. He wasn't caught
27:15
by a brilliant, deductive Sherlock Holmes style investigation. He was
27:19
caught because the sheer volume of his crimes finally tripped
27:22
an alarm. He couldn't silence right. He picked the wrong building.
27:26
A brave victim managed to escape and a vigilant superintendent
27:29
decided not to look the other way.
27:31
Speaker 1: Once he is in custody, Detective Michael Sheehan takes over
27:35
the interrogation and from the reports, Rayes is highly volatile
27:39
in the interrogation room. But the detectives finally have him
27:42
sitting across a table and they start connecting the physical dots.
27:45
They bring in the composite sketch from the Gonzales murder burner.
27:49
The sketch based on the descriptions from seven year old
27:52
Tony and six year old Carlos.
27:54
Speaker 2: And the sketch is a remarkably accurate match. Confronted with
27:58
the evidence, Rayes confesses to the rape of Meg and
28:01
then when pushed on the sketch, he confesses to the
28:04
murder of Lord Es Gonzalez. Wow, but the way he
28:07
confesses is a masterclass in sociopathic rationalization. His narrative is
28:11
entirely self serving. He initially tries to claim self defense.
28:15
He actually sits in an interrogation room and tells seasoned
28:18
detectives that this five foot one, one hundred pound pregnant
28:22
woman came at him with a knife first, which is.
28:25
Speaker 1: Just absurd on its face. It's a classic minimization technique.
28:29
He is trying to construct a reality where his legal
28:32
violence was somehow justified exactly, but eventually the sheer weight
28:35
of the evidence forces the truth out. He admits that
28:38
he brought the knife to the apartment. He admits that
28:40
he stabbed her repeatedly when she moved towards her screaming children.
28:43
And perhaps the most chilling, skin crawling detail from these
28:46
interrogations is how he described his spree of violence.
28:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is hard to hear.
28:51
Speaker 1: He actually referred to his armed, terrifying sexual assaults as
28:54
making love.
28:55
Speaker 2: That specific phrase reveals a complete, terrifying detachment from reality.
29:00
He is entirely devoid of human empathy. He has constructed
29:04
an internal narrative that completely erases the terror and agony
29:08
of his victims.
29:09
Speaker 1: It's monstrous.
29:10
Speaker 2: It is this extreme psychopathology bleeds directly into his legal proceedings.
29:15
Even surrounded by bailiff's in a courtroom, he cannot contain
29:18
his violent impulses. In nineteen ninety, during a pre trial hearing,
29:22
he physically attacks his own court appointed lawyer right there
29:26
in the courtroom.
29:27
Speaker 1: He had to be forcibly dragged out by security. Finally,
29:30
on October eighth, nineteen ninety one, recognizing that he cannot
29:34
beat the evidence, he pleads guilty to the rape and
29:37
murder of lord As Gonzales, as well as three other rapes.
29:40
In his written admission to the court, he confirms the
29:43
heartbreaking details we discussed earlier. He admits to telling lords
29:47
your eyes or your life before stabbing her as she
29:50
desperately tried to protect her boys.
29:52
Speaker 2: On November seventh, nineteen ninety one, just as Thomas B.
29:55
Gallaghan sentences Raeis to thirty three and a third years
29:58
to life in.
29:59
Speaker 1: Prison, and during the actual sentencing.
30:01
Speaker 2: Rayes punches his lawyer again unbelievable. He curses out the judge,
30:05
screaming obscenities, before the baylists drag him away to begin
30:09
his sentence. He is locked up and he won't be
30:12
eligible for a parole hearing for over three decades.
30:15
Speaker 1: At this point, the police, the prosecutors, the media, and
30:19
the public all believe the book is permanently closed. The
30:23
monster is behind bars, the streets are slightly safer. But
30:27
Reyes is carrying a massive secret into that prison cell,
30:30
A huge one, A secret that will sit dormant for
30:33
over a decade before eventually unraveling the most famous, heavily
30:37
publicized conviction of the entire nineteen eighties.
30:40
Speaker 2: And this is where we zoom out and see the
30:42
whole solar system interacting. We have to look at the
30:44
overlapping timelines of nineteen eighty nine. We know Raya's murdered
30:48
Lordies on June fourteenth, nineteen eighty nine. We know he
30:51
committed the Lascar Rink rape where he got the chin
30:53
stitches on April seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine. Right just two
30:57
days after that Lascar Rink attack, on April nineteen, nineteen
30:59
eighty nine, a young investment banker named Tricia Maylee is
31:03
brutally assaulted and raped while jogging in Central Park. The
31:06
Central Park jogger case.
31:08
Speaker 1: The timelines are layered exactly on top of each other,
31:11
and the geographical locations are right in Raise's hunting ground.
31:14
He worked at a one hundred and second and third avy.
31:17
He was attacking women in apartment buildings on the Upper
31:19
east Side and attacking women in Central Park.
31:22
Speaker 2: The overlap is glaring, but the police were completely obsessively
31:25
hyper focused on the wilding narrative that the media had
31:28
whipped into a frenzy. They swept the park, rounded up
31:32
five black and Latino teenagers, the young men who would
31:35
become known as the Central Park Five, and subjected them
31:39
to intense, psychologically coercive interrogations until they broke down and
31:44
falsely confessed Yeah. The investigators were so desperate to neatly
31:48
package this high profile crime into their pre existing wilding
31:51
theory that they completely ignored Mattias Rais even with them.
31:55
They ignored his established demo, They ignored his geographical proximity.
32:00
They ignored the fact that he was actively committing brutal
32:02
rapes in the exact same area during the exact same weeks.
32:06
Speaker 1: How does that happen? I mean, really, how does an
32:08
entire room of seasoned detectives ignore a serial rapist operating
32:13
in the exact same zip code as their most high
32:16
profile rape case.
32:17
Speaker 2: It's a textbook example of cognitive bias within groupthink. When
32:21
investigators lock onto a theory, especially a theory that perfectly
32:25
satisfies a terrified public, a demanding mayor, and a ravenous
32:29
media confirmation, bias takes the wheel.
32:31
Speaker 1: You only see what you want to see exactly.
32:34
Speaker 2: Any evidence that supports the theory of the teenagers is amplified.
32:38
Any evidence that points away from the teenagers or suggests
32:41
a single unknown perpetrator is discarded, rationalized away, or simply ignored. Wow,
32:47
Reyus was allowed to slip through the massive cracks of
32:50
the Central Park investigation because he didn't fit the story
32:52
the city wanted to tell itself. Because he slipped through
32:55
those cracks in April, he was free to knock on
32:57
Lord Gonzalez's door in June.
32:59
Speaker 1: Fast forward more than a decade. It's the early two thousands.
33:02
Rayes is serving his time for Laura's murder, and in
33:05
a bizarre twist of fate within the New York State
33:08
prison system, he actually crosses paths with Corey Wise, one
33:12
of the Central Park five, who is serving hard time
33:15
for a crime ray is committed. Rayes recognizes him, he
33:18
knows what he did, but he stays silent about it
33:21
for years. Finally, in two thousand and two, Rayes decides
33:25
to come forward. He confesses to the authorities that he
33:28
was the sole attacker of the Central Park jogger.
33:30
Speaker 2: And by two thousand and two, the technological landscape of
33:33
forensic science had completely transformed. This is a crucial piece
33:37
of the puzzle explain the tech jump. In nineteen eighty nine,
33:40
DNA testing relied on a method called RFLP restriction fragment
33:44
length polymorphism. It was rudimentary. It required a relatively large,
33:48
pristine biological sample about the size of a quarter to
33:51
get a clear result. But by two thousand and two,
33:55
scientists were using PCR polymerase chain reaction combined with stip
34:00
T short tandem repeat technology. This meant they could take
34:03
a microscopic degraded sample of DNA, amplify it in a
34:07
lab millions of times, and get a highly specific genetic fingerprint.
34:11
Speaker 1: So the authorities take this newly advanced technology. They run
34:14
the degraded DNA sample saved from the nineteen eighty nine
34:17
Central Park jogger crime scene, and they compare it to
34:20
Mattias Reys and it is a definitive, absolute, undeniable match.
34:26
Speaker 2: The science proves conclusively that Reyes acted entirely alone. The
34:30
Central Park five are completely exonerated of the crime. In
34:33
December two thousand and two, the Manhattan District Attorney's Office
34:36
formally recommends vacating all their convictions.
34:39
Speaker 1: It is a monumental moment in legal history. It exposed
34:42
the extreme dangers of coercive interrogations and racial bias in policing,
34:46
but it also reveals a profound, tragic paradox.
34:49
Speaker 2: Oh.
34:49
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we celebrate the exoneration of the Central Park five,
34:52
as we should, but does the public realize that their freedom,
34:55
the absolute biological truth of their innocence, is intricately, undeniably
34:59
tied to the blood of Lords Gonzales.
35:01
Speaker 2: Lordis's murder is the Rosetta Stone of nineteen eighty nine
35:04
true crime. The media's obsession with the Wilding teens created
35:08
a massive smoke screen. That smoke screen provided cover for
35:12
the real monster rays to continue his spree unbothered by
35:17
police scrutiny. If the detectives had caught Reus for the
35:21
Jogger case in April, Lordus would be alive, her children
35:24
would have grown up with a mother, and vice versa exactly.
35:28
If Rayes had never been caught for Lord's murder in August,
35:31
if the super hadn't tackled him, if he hadn't confessed
35:33
to the murder, he would never have been in the
35:35
prison system. His DNA wouldn't have been accessible, he would
35:38
never have encounter Cory Wise, and he likely would never
35:41
have confessed to the Jogger case.
35:43
Speaker 1: Just a terrible loop.
35:44
Speaker 2: Lorda's tragedy and the Central Park five's tragedy are inextricably
35:47
locked together in this terrible orbit. It proves how deeply
35:51
flawed the entire nineteen eighty nine narrative really was.
35:54
Speaker 1: The public focused all their terror on the shiny, media
35:57
driven concept of wilding youths while completely ignoring the actual
36:02
methodical serial predator moving through their apartment buildings. And Lord's
36:07
murder remains his only known homicide, which brings us to
36:11
the human cost of all of this. The legal system
36:14
operates in chapters. The trial ends, the gavel falls, the
36:18
judge hands down the sentence, the media packs up its cameras,
36:22
the journalists write their wrap up pieces, and everyone moves
36:25
on to the next sensational headline, the next big exoneration documentary.
36:29
Speaker 2: But for the family, the book never closes exactly.
36:31
Speaker 1: The timeline doesn't stop in nineteen ninety one. What happens
36:34
to the children who are locked in that bedroom.
36:36
Speaker 2: The immediate aftermath for the family is a total structural fracture.
36:41
Antonio the husband, the man who met Lords on the subway.
36:44
He simply cannot stay in that building. Understandably, he cannot
36:47
continue working as the super in the exact space where
36:50
his wife was slaughtered. The trauma is too immense. He
36:54
quits his job, and because of the sudden financial collapse
36:57
and the overwhelming emotional devastation, the children are separated. The
37:02
family unit is dismantled. Oh Man, little baby Amanda, the
37:06
three month old who was hidden in the closet, She
37:08
is sent away to Puerto Rico to live with her grandmother. Carlos,
37:12
who is six, stays in New York with Lords's sisters.
37:16
Tony Junior goes with his biological family.
37:18
Speaker 1: So they're just pulled apart.
37:20
Speaker 2: These kids, who are bonded so tightly, who shared a
37:22
room and played together, are scattered to the wind. They
37:25
see each other, maybe sporadically during summers, but the foundational
37:29
safety of their family is permanently, irrevocably broken.
37:32
Speaker 1: It is a secondary tragedy that the justice system rarely
37:35
accounts for. The murder didn't just take Lords his life,
37:39
It annihilated the entire structure of safety and connection for
37:42
those children. Let's track where they went, because their paths
37:45
illustrate how trauma manifests in wildly different ways. Let's look
37:50
at Tony Serrano, who was seven during the attack. His
37:53
path is one of incredible, deliberate resilience. According to interviews
37:57
published in The Cut around twenty nineteen, only went on
38:00
to become a psychology major. He became the salutorian of
38:04
his class, eventually became the dean of discipline at a
38:07
Bronx charter school. He dedicated his entire professional life to
38:12
guiding young people, to providing structure and safety.
38:15
Speaker 2: He channeled that foundational trauma into a protective guiding role.
38:19
He took the worst moment of his life and forged
38:22
it into a tool to help others.
38:24
Speaker 1: And he honors his mother in such poignant, quiet ways.
38:27
He wore football jersey number eighty nine throughout his youth
38:30
to remember the year she died. He carried her physical
38:33
Social Security card in his wallet as a daily memento
38:36
for years until it was accidentally lost.
38:38
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.
38:39
Speaker 1: He even realized, with the clarity of adulthood, that he
38:42
had actually recognized ray As from the neighborhood bodega before
38:45
the attack ever happened. Tony embodies a powerful resilience, actively
38:49
honoring Lordus's bravery by living a life of profound purpose.
38:53
Speaker 2: And then there is Amanda Serrano. She was the three
38:56
month old infant hidden in the dark closet by her
38:58
seven year old brother. Right now she is in her
39:01
thirties and she has a daughter of her own. Her
39:04
grief is quieter, but it is deeply marked by the
39:07
physical somatic toll of childhood's stress. She still bites her nails,
39:13
a nervous habit formed from the ambient anxiety of growing
39:16
up in the shadow of a trauma she couldn't cognitively remember,
39:19
but physically inherited in case.
39:21
Speaker 1: She was just a baby.
39:22
Speaker 2: Because she was an infant, she learned the horrific details
39:25
of what happened to her mother, very gradually piecing it
39:28
together over the years.
39:29
Speaker 1: Wow.
39:30
Speaker 2: Amanda gave a very poignant quote regarding the massive media
39:33
attention surrounding the PBS documentary about the Central Park five.
39:38
She watched how the media consumed the exoneration story, how
39:41
it became this triumphant narrative of justice delayed, and she said,
39:45
the only person who lost her life was my mom.
39:48
Our family was torn apart, scattered everywhere.
39:50
Speaker 1: That's powerful.
39:51
Speaker 2: It perfectly encapsulates the feeling of ambiguous loss. The world
39:55
move on, fascinated by the legal drama and the DNA science,
39:59
while her family remain in pieces unacknowledged by the broader historical.
40:03
Speaker 1: Narrative, which brings us to Carlos Vega Carlitos. He was
40:07
six years old. He was the one who held his
40:09
dying mother on the floor of the hallway, and his
40:11
path is the most tragic, infuriating illustration of what happens
40:16
when profound childhood trauma goes completely untreated.
40:19
Speaker 2: It really is.
40:20
Speaker 1: Carlos drops out of school, He gets tear dropped tattoos
40:23
on his face, literally branding his internal grief onto his
40:26
physical skin for the world to see. He falls hard
40:29
into the criminal justice system. In two thousand and seven,
40:32
he is charged with a Bodega murder. He spends nearly
40:35
nine years trapped on Riker's Island fighting the charges through
40:39
an agonizing series of miss trials nine years. Finally, in
40:42
twenty sixteen, worn down by the system, he pleads guilty
40:45
to manslaughter and is parrolled in twenty eighteen, and.
40:48
Speaker 2: The cycle doesn't stop there because the root cause the
40:50
trauma was never addressed. Fast forward to twenty twenty five,
40:54
Carlos is convicted of second degree assault stemming from a
40:57
twenty twenty one stating incident. During his sentencing for this assault,
41:01
the producers of the Netflix documentary actually took the unprecedented
41:04
step of submitting a leniency letter to the judge. They
41:08
cited the extreme foundational childhood PTSD he suffered in nineteen
41:12
eighty nine as a mitigating factor. But the justice system
41:16
is rigid. It operates on statutes, not psychology. Today, right now,
41:21
in twenty twenty six, Carlos is serving a five year
41:24
sentence in the Crowley County Correctional Facility in Colorado. He
41:28
won't be eligible for parole until twenty twenty seven.
41:31
Speaker 1: It's like dropping a massive boulder into a pond. The
41:34
violent splash of the boulder hitting the water is the
41:36
murder of lords, but the ripples. The ripples travel outward
41:40
for decades, capsizing these kids' lives in completely different ways.
41:43
Tony becomes dena discipline, building rigid structures to keep kids safe.
41:47
Amanda carries quiet, nervous grief, biting her nails. And Carlos
41:52
sends up blocked in a prison cell, swallowed by the
41:54
violence he was born into. And wait We really need
41:57
to look at how the justice system views Carlos. Here
42:00
if society, if the massive apparatus of the NYPD completely
42:05
failed to protect his mother from a serial rapist that
42:07
they literally had sitting in a hospital chair right, oh, sorry,
42:10
hospital chair, and in society completely failed to provide the
42:14
six year old boy with the psychological support he desperately
42:17
needed to heal from holding his mother as she bled
42:19
to death. How much of his subsequent criminal record is
42:22
truly his fault and how much is ours? At what
42:25
point is his adult violence just the symptom of the
42:28
violence we forced him to endure as a child.
42:30
Speaker 2: It raises an immensely complicated question about culpability in the
42:33
pipeline of systemic neglect. The justice system is designed to
42:37
judge the actions of the adult Carlos Vega in a
42:39
vacuum exactly. It looks at the assault charge on paper
42:42
and issues a sentence, but it completely ignores the six
42:45
year old Carlos who was forged in the crucible of
42:47
that bloody basement apartment. We pour millions of dollars into
42:51
punishing the symptom, but we invest almost nothing in treating
42:54
the disease when it is first inflicted upon a child,
42:57
we expect a child who's amygdala, he was prominently altered
43:01
by extreme violence, to simply integrate into society as a
43:04
functioning adult, and when he fails, we lock him in.
43:07
Speaker 1: A cage, which brings us to where we are. Right now,
43:11
Let's look at the present day. March twenty twenty six.
43:15
Mattisrayes is fifty four years old. He's currently incarcerated at
43:19
the Shogun Correctional Facility in New York. He has officially
43:23
served the minimum of his thirty three and a third
43:25
years to life sentence, and his very first parole hearing
43:29
is looming right around the corner. It is scheduled for
43:32
August of this year, twenty twenty six. He will sit
43:35
before a board and ask for his freedom.
43:37
Speaker 2: If we synthesize everything we've explored today, Lordis's story serves
43:41
as a profound, sobering reminder of the limits of historical memory.
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Behind massive era defining headlines like the Central Park five
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exonerations or the Wilding epidemic, there are secondary victims whose
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suffering is structurally overlooked.
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Speaker 1: They just fall through the cracks justice.
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Speaker 2: In the case of Mattis Reyes was eventually served, but
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it was an incredibly imperfect, delayed justice. It wasn't a
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triumph of the system. It was a mixture of survivor,
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courage from a woman named Meg, civilian intervention from a
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building super and eventually the advancement of DNA forensics. But
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all of that came at the ultimate cost of Lord's
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life and the permanent fracturing of her family.
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Speaker 1: And I want to make sure we reflect on Lord's
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legacy accurately, not as a tragic victim in a true
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crime deep dive, and definitely not just as a footnote
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in the Central Park five exoneration story.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: She deserves to be remembered as exactly who she was,
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A fiercely protective, loving mother who's absolute bravery in the
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face of pure evil save the lives of her children.
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She steered down a monster she absorbed as violence, and
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she essentially said take me, not them, and she won.
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She won, her children survived the attack. She did what
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she had to do.
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Speaker 2: It is the purest, most elemental definition of maternal love,
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standing in stark, brilliant contrast to the absolute worst of
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human depravity. It is a light that the darkness of
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nineteen eighty nine couldn't entirely extinguish.
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Speaker 1: Think back to the beginning of our conversation that historical
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camera lens focused on the blazing summer of nineteen eighty nine,
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pointing at the wrong headlines, the wrong suspects, the wrong
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narrative while a true predator walked out of a hospital.
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We live in a golden age of true crime consumption
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right now. We demand rapid answers. We love the certainty
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of DNA matches. We want neat closed loop endings where
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the innocent are freed and the guilty are punished, just
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like in the documentaries. But life isn't like that, No,
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it's not. But knowing what you know now, knowing about
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the neurobiology of trauma, knowing about little Carlos Vega sitting
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in a Colorado prison cell in twenty twenty six, and
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knowing about Mattias Reyes preparing for a parole board hearing
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this coming August, I want you to ask yourself a question.
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When a crime is officially solved on paper, when the
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gavel comes down, the detectives retire, and the headlines fade,
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when does the crime actually end? Does it ever