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A Father Blames His Son—and a Wife Plots Murder - True Crime Documentary · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Your emergency.
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: Here, I said, it had to be somebody that loved her.
• 0:16
  Speaker 3: Is an Iowa's son, a seed of evil. It's a
• 0:19
  Speaker 3: case of murder on the farm.
• 0:21
  Speaker 4: She is gone because someone shocked her.
• 0:23
  Speaker 5: Yes, you did, Jesus.
• 0:25
  Speaker 6: He told me that if I didn't get on the
• 0:28
  Speaker 6: bus that he was going to make sure I was
• 0:30
  Speaker 6: under the bus.
• 0:31
  Speaker 7: I asked why he didn't farm together with his dad,
• 0:35
  Speaker 7: and his response was, I can't because my mom is
• 0:38
  Speaker 7: a bitch.
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  Speaker 8: There's only two people in this world who know what
• 0:42
  Speaker 8: happened on June nineteen, twenty fifteen, and one of them
• 0:45
  Speaker 8: is dead and the other one sitting behind me.
• 0:48
  Speaker 7: The killer is.
• 0:49
  Speaker 6: Still out there, that shot her, your wife.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: This is what he's going to tell me.
• 1:00
  Speaker 9: Situation.
• 1:01
  Speaker 10: And I grabbed the gun trying to find the first
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  Speaker 10: place to put a body.
• 1:03
  Speaker 11: No, sir, the only thing they could do was killing.
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  Speaker 4: You want to say anything? Lee the jury and to
• 1:08
  Speaker 4: find the defendant.
• 1:29
  Speaker 12: Your emergency?
• 1:36
  Speaker 9: Okay?
• 1:36
  Speaker 13: To what address?
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: It was?
• 1:42
  Speaker 3: The Iowa farmhome of Shirley and Bill Carter, their son Jason,
• 1:45
  Speaker 3: describing a horrible.
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  Speaker 8: Scene war what.
• 1:56
  Speaker 3: Jason's father, Bill Carter, was next to arrive and.
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: Right in the kitchen and there she lay and I said,
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: Shirley Carter's murder in her remote western Iowa farmhouse devastated
• 2:21
  Speaker 3: and ultimately would destroy her family.
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  Speaker 6: It's really like the most horrific nightmare you could ever imagine,
• 2:28
  Speaker 6: to lose someone that you love so dearly and then
• 2:33
  Speaker 6: your family to be just shredded, ripped apart.
• 2:37
  Speaker 10: She would be ashamed of horror family. It's falling apart.
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  Speaker 3: At the age of sixty seven, Shirley Carter had raised
• 2:48
  Speaker 3: three children, always busy with her grandchildren and still active
• 2:51
  Speaker 3: on the farm with her own Jaun Dear tractor to
• 2:54
  Speaker 3: help in the family's nine hundred acres of soybean and corn.
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  Speaker 14: She was a hard work that's for sure. And she
• 3:03
  Speaker 14: loved her grandkids.
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  Speaker 10: And you know, I miss her.
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  Speaker 3: Her husband of fifty two years, Bill actually talked a suicide.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I thought I'd lost everything everything. I never had
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: any probe in my life, even when we had to
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: get married young, we never had trouble. And then for
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: something like this to happen in our old age, it
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. It just doesn't make sense.
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: And as Bill Carter replayed in his mind, the image
• 3:37
  Speaker 3: of his wife's body that terrible morning in the kitchen.
• 3:40
  Speaker 3: He began to wonder because she was laying face up.
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: And her hands like this across her chair, and her
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: eyes were open, and I thought, you don't die that way.
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: And I said to Jason, I said, it had to
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: be somebody that loved her.
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: And it was his youngest son, Jason, who found the
• 4:02
  Speaker 3: body and came under suspicion almost immediately, as the lead
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  Speaker 3: detective Mark Ludwig would later testify, he.
• 4:09
  Speaker 13: Was immediately on my radar even before I arrived on
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  Speaker 13: the scene.
• 4:14
  Speaker 3: Ludwig had listened to Jason's nine one one club as
• 4:17
  Speaker 3: he drove to the scene. Had something did not sound
• 4:20
  Speaker 3: right to him.
• 4:24
  Speaker 13: And right away that set fell to me in my mind,
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  Speaker 13: of his words that he used, how he described the scene,
• 4:38
  Speaker 13: and his emotions.
• 4:47
  Speaker 3: How would Jason know she had been there for two hours?
• 4:50
  Speaker 13: He is attempting to introduce that she had been dead
• 4:55
  Speaker 13: for two hours when he had a solid alibi.
• 4:58
  Speaker 3: Two hours earlier, Jason Carter was seen on video at
• 5:01
  Speaker 3: a grain elevator, but Agent Ludwig remained suspicious.
• 5:05
  Speaker 13: My experience tells me that if a person goes into
• 5:10
  Speaker 13: great detail at the crime scene, that is a normal
• 5:16
  Speaker 13: Don't do that when you just find your mother dead
• 5:18
  Speaker 13: on the floor, unless they're trying to be deceitful.
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  Speaker 3: Adding to the questions about Jason was a secret he
• 5:26
  Speaker 3: had kept from police and his wife, a torrid extramarital affair,
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  Speaker 3: A secret revealed when police discovered a phone he had
• 5:34
  Speaker 3: hidden under the hood of his truck in the fuse box.
• 5:38
  Speaker 3: It was a phone he had been using to send
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  Speaker 3: text to the local woman with whom he was having
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  Speaker 3: the affair.
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  Speaker 14: Since I didn't bring that to their attention right out
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  Speaker 14: of the gate, I guess they just assumed that I
• 5:52
  Speaker 14: was nothing.
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  Speaker 3: But a liar.
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  Speaker 10: And a liar and a cheat.
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  Speaker 14: And for that reason, the lead investigator just zeroed in
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  Speaker 14: right on me and never lost focus.
• 6:12
  Speaker 3: Within three days of the murder, both Jason Carter and
• 6:15
  Speaker 3: his wife, Shelley were in the back of a patrol
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: car being brought into the local sheriff's office for questioning.
• 6:22
  Speaker 6: They took me into a small courtroom there at the
• 6:24
  Speaker 6: Sheriff's office, and you know, I will never forget that,
• 6:33
  Speaker 6: you know, And they told me about Jason having an affair,
• 6:38
  Speaker 6: and of course it was, you know, just like to
• 6:41
  Speaker 6: be honest, you know, just so disappointing and more than anything,
• 6:48
  Speaker 6: just heartbreaking.
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: Down the hall in the Sheriff's office, Jason Carter was
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: in the middle of what would be an almost eleven
• 6:55
  Speaker 3: hour interrogation.
• 6:57
  Speaker 4: So you'd have an idea, seth that you really.
• 6:59
  Speaker 3: Do Okay, He was asked and agreed to take a
• 7:04
  Speaker 3: lie detector test.
• 7:06
  Speaker 15: Say, lean back, China, relax, so we'll begin the test.
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  Speaker 15: I'll have your feet flat on the floor, I look
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  Speaker 15: straight ahead and answering all each question.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 7:17
  Speaker 16: Had me sit there, put the gizmo, put everything on me,
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  Speaker 16: and basically started to ask me questions.
• 7:25
  Speaker 3: While the test was underway. Elsewhere in the Sheriff's office,
• 7:29
  Speaker 3: lead investigator of Mark Ludwig was trying to get Shelley
• 7:32
  Speaker 3: Carter to turn on her husband.
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  Speaker 6: Mark Ludwig ratened me. He told me that if I
• 7:39
  Speaker 6: didn't get on the bus that he was going to
• 7:42
  Speaker 6: make sure I was under the bus. And I started
• 7:46
  Speaker 6: to say to myself, something's terribly wrong here.
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: Shelley was confident her husband would pass the lie detector
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: test and everyone could go home.
• 7:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, regarding the death of your mom, do you intend
• 8:00
  Speaker 4: to answer each question truth though? Yes, okay. Did you
• 8:05
  Speaker 4: physically hurt your mom?
• 8:07
  Speaker 17: No?
• 8:08
  Speaker 18: Okay.
• 8:09
  Speaker 4: Now this is important. When I say physically hurt your mom? Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I want you to know exactly what I What I
• 8:15
  Speaker 4: mean is did you cause her death?
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  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 8:18
  Speaker 4: Do you know for a fact who hurt your mom?
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  Speaker 6: No?
• 8:22
  Speaker 4: Okay. Once again, I don't want to know.
• 8:26
  Speaker 15: If you have an opinion or I think this guy,
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  Speaker 15: take the question what it means.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know for a.
• 8:32
  Speaker 17: Fact who hurt your mom?
• 8:35
  Speaker 14: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, that test still.
• 8:41
  Speaker 10: Right after the test was over, he left.
• 8:43
  Speaker 16: The room for maybe less than five minutes.
• 8:49
  Speaker 19: He came back in and uh, he said.
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: The month of July is a pivotal one for Iowa farmers.
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: All eyes on the weather.
• 9:05
  Speaker 20: Producers obviously watching the weather, and on corn and.
• 9:09
  Speaker 3: Soybean prices, so Usdgate upping its corn price forecast by
• 9:13
  Speaker 3: a dive to an average three sixty, which would be
• 9:16
  Speaker 3: four cents of But at the Carter farm in Lacona, Iowa,
• 9:19
  Speaker 3: as they mourned the death of Shirley Carter, the anxiety
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: was over the growing suspicion by the family about Jason
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  Speaker 3: Carter's role in her murder.
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: You've got to remember he's stilled my son, and he
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: was my favorite son. Always thought he'd farm with me someday.
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: Jason Carter was at the Sheriff's office about to learn
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: how he did on the lie detector tests.
• 9:41
  Speaker 4: We score him in three different ways.
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  Speaker 15: Okay, you can show non deception, which means that we
• 9:46
  Speaker 15: don't see any variation, inconclusive, which means we're not sure,
• 9:50
  Speaker 15: or deception, which means we haven't heard.
• 9:52
  Speaker 5: The whole story yet.
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  Speaker 4: And you were deceptive.
• 10:00
  Speaker 14: The light detector test was a crocodile. That light detector
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  Speaker 14: test was one hundred and ten percent wrong.
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  Speaker 12: So ha, I don't know.
• 10:15
  Speaker 10: They sure tried their damn best to get.
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  Speaker 14: Me to fess up to something I didn't do.
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  Speaker 3: And state police agent Mark Ludwig used the results to
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: bear down on Jason Carter.
• 10:28
  Speaker 21: Jason, what are the two things that you were deceptive on?
• 10:33
  Speaker 4: Do you positively know who did this? No?
• 10:36
  Speaker 5: Well, according to the test, you do.
• 10:39
  Speaker 22: Well, that damn thing is wrong.
• 10:42
  Speaker 12: It is too It's not wrong.
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  Speaker 19: I never touched my mom, I.
• 10:47
  Speaker 10: Never heard her. The killer is still out there.
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  Speaker 17: That shot her.
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  Speaker 3: So back to the beginning, what happened at your linsense?
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  Speaker 4: She was shot dead. I understand that, Jesson.
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: We need to get to.
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  Speaker 4: The truth here. That is the truth. I walked in
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  Speaker 4: the door and my mom was laying.
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  Speaker 3: In a blood but Agent Ludwick says he knew that
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  Speaker 3: was not true.
• 11:14
  Speaker 13: The way he described the body on the floor and
• 11:18
  Speaker 13: still bleeding gave me great concern. When I arrived on scene,
• 11:24
  Speaker 13: I looked in the window as there's not blood everywhere.
• 11:29
  Speaker 13: There's a very minimal blood on the crime scene.
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  Speaker 22: Okay, I walked in and found my mom did and
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  Speaker 22: that's it.
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  Speaker 4: That is the truth.
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  Speaker 10: That is to the truth not true.
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  Speaker 5: We need to get past that, and we need to
• 11:47
  Speaker 5: get to what the truth is.
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  Speaker 4: I'm telling you the truth.
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  Speaker 14: I'm telling you the truth.
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  Speaker 4: I am.
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  Speaker 3: Jason Carter was getting increasingly frustrated and angry with Mark Blood.
• 12:01
  Speaker 19: That guy is, in my opinion, and pretty much the devil.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know how else to say it.
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  Speaker 23: You're the one finding the polygraph examination having nobody else
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  Speaker 23: fits those things.
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  Speaker 4: Jason, I'm comfid.
• 12:24
  Speaker 5: I agree for my mom.
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  Speaker 4: She doesn't deserve this.
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  Speaker 22: If she could talk right now, she strike both your
• 12:32
  Speaker 22: asses dead because she knows I didn't do that. Okay,
• 12:36
  Speaker 22: she would strike both your asses dead. Because I didn't do.
• 12:41
  Speaker 18: This, and if you keep blaming me, I can't.
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  Speaker 17: Deeple, do you go to hell because I didn't do
• 12:49
  Speaker 17: the dancing to my momson.
• 12:52
  Speaker 21: I'm gonna keep telling you if you did it, because
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  Speaker 21: she did, and together we can get past this.
• 13:00
  Speaker 5: That you condemning me to hell isn't going to change
• 13:03
  Speaker 5: the facts.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: Of what I heard.
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  Speaker 3: One of the facts was how the Carter house appeared
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: to have been ransacked, something Jason Carter pointed out to
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: his father right away that morning.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: Then he said, Dad, look, somebody's robbed you. And when
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: I went into my office, all my drawers had been
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: pulled out and dumped, just dumped. They hadn't went through anything,
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: they were just dumped. And then he said, let's go
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: in the bedroom. When her drawer where she keeps her
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: bras and her panties was open and nothing was taken.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: Her purse was hanging on our granddaughter's high chair, and
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: she had one hundred and forty dollars cash in it,
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: and she had credit cards in there and none of
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: it had been touched. So it didn't make sense. It
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: didn't make sense.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: It made sense to Agent Ludwig.
• 14:01
  Speaker 13: The crime scene is that of a adolescent mindset. I
• 14:09
  Speaker 13: need to stages for robbery. I need to make this
• 14:13
  Speaker 13: look like a robbery. And at that point, no one
• 14:18
  Speaker 13: knew the bedroom was Grant's actor than Jason Carter. So
• 14:22
  Speaker 13: how was he known privy that information but nobody else?
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: Was another question? How was Jason Carter able so quickly
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: to discover a bullet hole in the floor and another
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: one in the refrigerator?
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: You know what, I've done this a very long time,
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: and you're right. People do react with disbelief and stuff
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: when they find a body like that. You know what
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: they don't do.
• 14:44
  Speaker 10: They don't survey a crime scene and start telling me.
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: Where bullet holes are at Jason.
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: That's what they don't do.
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: The gun used to kill Shirley Carter was never found,
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: but Jason early on suggested he was a hunting rifle
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: found missing from his father's gun safe in the basement.
• 15:00
  Speaker 12: What do you think was used to.
• 15:01
  Speaker 18: Shoot your gun?
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: I think that too seventy rifle was used to shoot
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: my mom.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: It was a Remington boat Action two seventy like this one.
• 15:10
  Speaker 11: Where did it go?
• 15:12
  Speaker 18: I tell you, I don't know.
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: I think you know that's the murder weapon, because you
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: know what happened.
• 15:20
  Speaker 9: No, I don't clearly.
• 15:22
  Speaker 13: I believe Jason Carter knows exactly where that gun was
• 15:26
  Speaker 13: on that crime scene. He plays that gun somewhere. I
• 15:30
  Speaker 13: don't know where you put it.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Agent Ludwig and a second agent went around and around
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: with Jason Carter into the evening.
• 15:38
  Speaker 10: These two guys were in my face a foot away, just.
• 15:43
  Speaker 19: Just ripping into me, saying, you know you did this,
• 15:46
  Speaker 19: You know you did this.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: This. My mom is gone and you can't tell the truth.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: You're right, You're gone.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: She is gone because someone should.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, you did Jason.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: No, I stemp up and take responsibility for your actions.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: What is wrong with you? What is wrong with you people?
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: I would never harm a hair on my mom's head.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: It was only after Jason's wife, Shelley, demanded to talk
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: to him on the phone that the agents gave up
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: on the efforts to break him to get a confession.
• 16:24
  Speaker 19: She demanded that I you know, she will ease. Was
• 16:27
  Speaker 19: either coming in or I was coming out.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: She said, she wants me a photoking to you.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: You get out now, that's fine, like I told you
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: from the very beginning or whatever. You're more than welcome
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: at any time.
• 16:38
  Speaker 20: I mean, I'll go, but I don't have anything to hide.
• 16:42
  Speaker 8: Mama told him there's no way I'd ever heard of
• 16:44
  Speaker 8: my mom.
• 16:46
  Speaker 10: So, uh, that's when I got up and I walked out.
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: I never had my doubts about Jason's involvement with his mom.
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: Now did I have doubts about our marriage? Huh, you're
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: not a kidd. I mean, you know, just what a disappointment.
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: But I couldn't listen. I could have been a scorn wife,
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: because that's what Mark Ludwick wanted me to be. But
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: I was raised that you do things because you know
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: they're right, and I knew that he didn't have anything
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: to do with his mom's death. So it wouldn't be
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: right for me to be a scorn wife and say
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: you cheated on me, now you can pay for your
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: mom's death.
• 17:42
  Speaker 18: That wouldn't be right.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: It didn't have anything to do with it.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: She was ready to go to war for the man
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: who had cheated on her, and she would have to.
• 18:05
  Speaker 24: The first thing that just stood out about this case
• 18:07
  Speaker 24: was the unimaginable tragedy of a man losing his wife
• 18:13
  Speaker 24: of fifty two years and coming slowly to the conclusion
• 18:19
  Speaker 24: in the days after the homicide that his son was
• 18:22
  Speaker 24: the killer.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I wanted some kind of justice from my wife,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: some kind of justice. I didn't want her dying, and
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: no justice whatsoever.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: You go out there with your family, no chat.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: But his son, Jason Carter had walked out of the
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Sheriff's office with no criminal charges filed, even after he
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: failed the lie detector test.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: The police.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Didn't do a good job, so.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Bill Carter hired his own private detective to investigate and
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: re examined the evidence in the case.
• 19:02
  Speaker 24: The thing that took Bill down the path of believing
• 19:06
  Speaker 24: that Jason was the killer was the evidence.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Starting with what Jason had said about the gun safe
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: in the basement where one rifle, the likely murder weapon,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: had gone missing.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: And he said, we don't know anything about a gun safe.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: We don't know anything at all about a gun safe.
• 19:24
  Speaker 19: I didn't even really have a damn gun safe till
• 19:27
  Speaker 19: just recently.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I knew that was a lie, because I knew
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: they had gotten it for me for Christmas.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: A photograph would later be found of Jason and his
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: then toddler soon assembling the gun safe for him on
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Christmas morning.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: He and his wife both lied constantly and that made
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: it easier for me to tell the.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Truth about what happened, and more troubling to him. Bill
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Carter wondered how his son seemed to know right away
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: that morning that Shirley Carter had been shot twice.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: There was no way you would know that unless you
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: did it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: And then I knew that he did it.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I knew he did it or hired it done.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: One dread and both Bill Carter and agent Mark Ludwig
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: agreed on the motive for the murder, the affair Jason
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: was having.
• 20:17
  Speaker 13: I believe he needed to stop his mom from telling
• 20:21
  Speaker 13: his dad that he's having an affair.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I have no time for that. And he knew it too.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I think he meant to kill both of us.
• 20:33
  Speaker 17: I do.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I think he was going to club me with something
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: and then put a gun in my mouth.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: All this time, Jason was back on his farm, tending
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: to his fields, well aware that his father was turning
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: on him.
• 20:46
  Speaker 10: He looked at me, and I've seen that look.
• 20:50
  Speaker 16: I don't know.
• 20:51
  Speaker 19: I couldn't tell you how many other times of when
• 20:55
  Speaker 19: he's just sure about.
• 20:56
  Speaker 14: Something, and he said he looked at me and he said,
• 21:02
  Speaker 14: you know, I've got it figured out.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: It had been more than a year, a full season
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: of planting and hardest, when Bill Carter gave up on
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: the criminal investigation and decided to take his son to court.
• 21:14
  Speaker 24: Bill decided to take matters into his own hands, and
• 21:17
  Speaker 24: so he filed the lawsuit.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: A civil action against his son, Jason, blaming him for
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Shirley Carter's wrongful death, the subject of the last conversation
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: father and son ever had.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: And then he said, what are you going to do today?
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Dad?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And I said, I'm going up to see my lawyer.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: And he he hit the counter, the kitchencounter hard, and
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: he said, my life is over. My life is over.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: For five days in the Marion, Iowa County courthouse, a
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: civil trial that pitted father against son over the murder
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: of the mother. A family tragedy.
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: You know, what father does this to their child? What
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: father does this?
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: The case received national attention.
• 22:11
  Speaker 24: Say a son killed his mother because he was going bust.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: She was just laying there.
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: Looking off like.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: And I knelt down.
• 22:28
  Speaker 17: And I.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Grabbed her pant leg and shook it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 17: And said, mom, you know, hoping she'd.
• 22:39
  Speaker 10: Responds, did you scream?
• 22:45
  Speaker 17: No?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Were you crying?
• 22:49
  Speaker 17: You know? I was?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I think I don't.
• 22:55
  Speaker 24: It was just shock in reality. Killers come in all
• 22:59
  Speaker 24: shapes sizes. What I'll tell you is that Jason came
• 23:04
  Speaker 24: across to us in the civil trial as number one
• 23:08
  Speaker 24: highly insincere and number two very shifty.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Jason Carter's lawyers were convinced it was a ploy to
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: spur a criminal charge against Jason.
• 23:19
  Speaker 25: We know that the prosecutor was sitting in the civil
• 23:22
  Speaker 25: trial the entire time taking notes. So in our opinion,
• 23:28
  Speaker 25: law enforcement, the State of Iowa, and Bill Carter worked
• 23:34
  Speaker 25: hand in hand.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: A civil trial has a lower standard of proof than
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: a criminal trial, but still it was no slam duck.
• 23:43
  Speaker 24: Convincing a jury that a son is going to kill
• 23:47
  Speaker 24: his mother in the kitchen of the farmhouse where that
• 23:51
  Speaker 24: son was raised just sounds like quite a mountain to climb.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: But the jury took only two hours to reach a verdict.
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: I guess I had a bad gut feeling, and you know,
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: my gut feeling.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Was spot on.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Jason Carter guilty liable ordered to pay ten million dollars.
• 24:11
  Speaker 14: When they came back with that ten million judgment, I
• 24:20
  Speaker 14: kind of figured everything was going to go to hell
• 24:22
  Speaker 14: from there.
• 24:24
  Speaker 22: And it did.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: The prosecution now decided it had enough evidence to charge
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Jason Carter with murder. His nemesis, agent Mark Ludwig, made
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: sure he was the one to put Carter in handcuffs
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: in front of Carter's teenage.
• 24:38
  Speaker 19: Side and he said, I've been waiting two and a
• 24:42
  Speaker 19: half years to do this.
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: He said, do you have anything to say you.
• 24:56
  Speaker 12: Now?
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Much more was at stake than a ten million dollar judgment.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Jason Carter, if found guilty, would be sentenced to prison
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: for the rest of his life with no chance of parole.
• 25:13
  Speaker 26: All many statements, this afternoon is an Iowa son, a
• 25:16
  Speaker 26: seed of evil.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: It's a case of murder on the farm. But even
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: before the trial began, behind the scenes, Jason Carter had
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: to consider a possible plea deal.
• 25:27
  Speaker 27: Jason had to make some very difficult decisions.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Five years or so in prison instead of a possible
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: life sentence with no parole. A tempted deal.
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: Boy, you know you're a person's pretty larry.
• 25:41
  Speaker 14: After going through a civil suit and then taking two
• 25:44
  Speaker 14: hours to come up with a guilty.
• 25:49
  Speaker 19: You know, you just hate to put your hands into
• 25:54
  Speaker 19: the jury again.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: But his wife, Shelley put her foot down.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: No way in hell, because Jason already spent five days
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: in jail, and I said to him, You're not going
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: to spend another day, not one more day in jail
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: or prison for something you didn't do. Your mom wouldn't
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: be okay with it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 18: I'm not okay with it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: You're coming home, Dennis.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: So the trial began on behalf of the state.
• 26:24
  Speaker 11: You may read the charge and make your opening statement.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Ed Bull, the county attorney, began by describing Jason Carter
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: as a man who acted out of greed, who may
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: have actually planned to kill both his parents to get
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: his hands on their farm valued that six million dollars.
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: They weren't ready to retire and let Jason Carter have
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: Carter Farms. So you might be wondering, if Jason Carter
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: couldn't run Carter Farms instead of his parents, why didn't
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: he just run Carter Farms with his parents. Jason Carter,
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: the man sitting in that chair right there, said he
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: could never go into business with that bitch.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: For Jason Carter's lawyer, Christine Brandstad, it was essential for
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: her to paint a different picture of the relationship between
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Jason and his mother.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And Jason Carter.
• 27:23
  Speaker 27: Was a son who loved his mother, spent a lot
• 27:26
  Speaker 27: of time with her.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Essential for the defense to get ahead of what they
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: knew was testimony coming about the mother's son relationship.
• 27:35
  Speaker 19: The state calls Brandon Smith your honor.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: A local farm equipment salesman, Brandon Smith, who knew the
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: family and Jason well.
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: I asked why he didn't farm together with his dad,
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: and his response was, I can't because my mom is
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: a bitch.
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: Did it surprise you when he said that a little?
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 28:00
  Speaker 22: Why.
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: I have known Shirley about as long as Bill, and
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: it was just she didn't strike me as that person.
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: I guess I just didn't realize that that was how
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: he felt. I guess kind of took me back a little.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: The defense was braced for the prosecution's strongest quitness.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: State of Iawa calls Bill Carter.
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: Thing, if I can get you to raise your right
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: hand for me, please do you swear to tell the truth,
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I do please be seated the testimony of Jason's father,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Bill Carter.
• 28:35
  Speaker 27: That was my biggest concern going into the trial is
• 28:39
  Speaker 27: that a jury would think, well, if the father thinks
• 28:42
  Speaker 27: he did it, he must have done it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: The prosecutor began with questions to back up the alleged
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: motor money.
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: Did you start to have concerns that Jason was going
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: to struggle to pay off his farming debts.
• 28:59
  Speaker 9: Yes, I did.
• 29:01
  Speaker 24: Jason at the time of the murder was deeply in debt.
• 29:06
  Speaker 24: Bill was interested in farming with Jason to try to
• 29:10
  Speaker 24: help him out. Sureley was dead set against it and
• 29:14
  Speaker 24: did not want Bill and Jason to be farming together.
• 29:17
  Speaker 24: And so Shirley was really the person standing in the
• 29:20
  Speaker 24: way of the solution to Jason's financial problems.
• 29:24
  Speaker 17: How much was he gonna come up short?
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I assumed somewhere between one hundred and one hundred and
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: fifty thousand.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Bill Carter knew his testimony could put his son in
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: prison for life.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it bothered me. That's just because I loved him.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I couldn't.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: You can't stop loving somebody. He did something terrible, but
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: you can't stop loving somebody.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: And the emotion was raw as the questioning turned to
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: the moment Bill Carter found the body of his wife
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: of fifty two years.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: What did you see?
• 30:04
  Speaker 28: I've found Shirley on the floor and she was just
• 30:13
  Speaker 28: looked like she was sleeping. Her eyes were closed, her
• 30:21
  Speaker 28: hands were crossed, and her legs were crossed, and I
• 30:26
  Speaker 28: picked her head up and I held her.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: For the defense, no piece of evidence was more important
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: than this surveillance video showing Jason Carter at the cargo
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: grain silo between nine and ten in the morning, an
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: hour's drive away from his parents'.
• 30:52
  Speaker 27: Home, meaning that Jason Carter could not have been at
• 30:57
  Speaker 27: the home at the time that Shirley Carter was killed.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: And the defense would hammer that point home with their
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: medical expert who testified about how long Shirley Carter had
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: been dead when her body was found.
• 31:09
  Speaker 11: My opinion, I would express would be around two hours.
• 31:14
  Speaker 27: The time of death was absolutely crucial, and I believe
• 31:18
  Speaker 27: all medical evidence points towards a time of death at
• 31:22
  Speaker 27: the point when Jason Carter would have been at Cargill.
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: Get your raise your right hand for me. Please, do
• 31:27
  Speaker 11: you swear to tell the truth.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: But the key witness for the defense, not for the prosecution,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: strangely enough, was the state police lead investigator who had
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: focused on Jason Miami's Mark Ludwick.
• 31:40
  Speaker 27: I have never been involved in a case or seen
• 31:42
  Speaker 27: a case of any significance where the state did not
• 31:47
  Speaker 27: call the lead investigator.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: What the defense wanted to show was a failure by
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Ludwick and others to follow up on tips some local
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: residents that three area men with long criminal records had
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: killed Shirley Carter during a boxed robbery.
• 32:02
  Speaker 27: At least a dozen of those people say that it
• 32:06
  Speaker 27: was a burglary gone wrong.
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: Correct.
• 32:10
  Speaker 13: I'm not sure how many people, but yeah, burglary gone
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: wrong was something that we knew by noon on the
• 32:16
  Speaker 13: day of the homicide was gone around the small community.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: But again not to my knowledge, and again I don't remember,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: and again I don't know. The agent was stymied by
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: the questions.
• 32:30
  Speaker 9: I'm definitely confused at this point or could not remember.
• 32:34
  Speaker 13: But I've done a lot of super stuff in my
• 32:36
  Speaker 13: career and during interviews, and so I hope I wouldn't
• 32:39
  Speaker 13: have done that.
• 32:40
  Speaker 27: What we were able to show is that they weren't
• 32:43
  Speaker 27: fully investigated and the door was opened that they or
• 32:47
  Speaker 27: anyone else could have been guilty.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: None of the three men was ever charged in connection
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: with the murder. Prosecutor Ed Bull sought to set the
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: record straight.
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: Were there any alternative suspects that came to life, not
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: from anyone other than Jason Carter, Sir, has there been
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: anyone during the investigation of the death of Shirley Carter
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: that provided information that was consistent with what you found
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: at the crime scene?
• 33:21
  Speaker 17: Yes?
• 33:22
  Speaker 11: Who was that person? Jason Carter.
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: Jason Carter ever shed a tear, not once, never until
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: this court room.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: So now the stage was set for Jason Carter to
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: take the stand and once again a test to his innocence.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: The day began with a surprise move by Jason Carter's.
• 33:53
  Speaker 27: Lawyers and John the defense frosts.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Very well, meaning Jason Carr was not going to testify
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: in his own defense.
• 34:03
  Speaker 27: We had never really considered the idea of not putting
• 34:09
  Speaker 27: Jason on the stand until the very end of the trials.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: His lawyers thought they had a wedding hand and did
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: not want to let Prosecutor ed Bull have a go
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: at Jason.
• 34:18
  Speaker 25: Lawyers are tricky, and the prosecutor is an excellent lawyer,
• 34:22
  Speaker 25: and there's a good chance that he could have, you know,
• 34:25
  Speaker 25: made Jason say something, or that Jason would have gotten
• 34:29
  Speaker 25: confused by the questioning.
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: Ladies and gentlemen. That means the evidence is done as
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: the saying goes. It's all over but the shouting, So.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: It was straight to the closing arguments.
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: There's no dispute someone committed murder in the first dread.
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: The question is the who is that somebody?
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: But the prosecutor knew. There was no physical evidence from
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: the crime scene to connect Jason Carter, no fingerprints, no weapon,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: and the jury was not told about Carter failing the
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: light detector tests dam nor would the judge that the
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: prosecutor reveal some other key facts about Jason.
• 35:07
  Speaker 24: The jury didn't hear about the affair. The jury had
• 35:11
  Speaker 24: a much more limited understanding of Jason's financial circumstances and
• 35:17
  Speaker 24: the family strife that that caused, and so the jury
• 35:21
  Speaker 24: had a much weaker understanding of why Jason would have
• 35:25
  Speaker 24: done this.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: It was a circumstantial evidence case based largely on surmise.
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: How does Jason Carter know his parents' bedroom is ransacked
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: for any other reason?
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: The Jason Carter is.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: The one who did him, and the prosecutors scoffed at
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: the defense position that law enforcements failed to investigate other
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: possible suspects, calling it a distraction.
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: The only reason that story these alternative suspects make sense
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: is because it's an attempt at burglary, well who caused
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: the attempted burglary Jason Carter by staging.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: And finally to Jason's relationship.
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: With his mother, there was friction.
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: We got told we were going to hear this story
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: about this loving family with no conflicting. What you heard
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: was just the opposite from mister Carter, Bill and from
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: Brandon Smith.
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: Because my mom is a bitch.
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: There's only two people in this world who know what happened,
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: and one of them is dead and the other one's
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: sitting behind me. Based on the evidence and in support
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: of that evidence, the State of Eye was requested to
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: find Jason Carter guilty of murder in the first degree.
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: I believe we are ready for closing statement on behalf
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: of the defendant, Ms Brand's dead.
• 36:42
  Speaker 27: Thank you, your honor, May you please the court. This
• 36:50
  Speaker 27: was a case built against Jason Carter instead of a
• 36:56
  Speaker 27: case trying to solve a crime. And look at all
• 36:59
  Speaker 27: the clue and let's look at all the other leads
• 37:04
  Speaker 27: that weren't followed. There were so many statements made about
• 37:11
  Speaker 27: three individuals who don't have an alibi.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: And then the defense's other main point, the video showing
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Jason Carter at the Cargill Grain Elevator, pulling away in
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: his semi truck just before ten in the morning, about
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: an hour's drive away from his parents' home.
• 37:28
  Speaker 27: Rest assured the state has not had anyone who testified
• 37:32
  Speaker 27: they believe Shirley Carter died after ten thirty at one.
• 37:37
  Speaker 27: There's no one who says they believe that time of
• 37:39
  Speaker 27: death was later. But any one of those means Jason
• 37:42
  Speaker 27: Carter could not have been there. And at the end
• 37:45
  Speaker 27: of this case, there's so many holes in this investigation.
• 37:50
  Speaker 27: There's so much that isn't even explored. And in reality,
• 37:56
  Speaker 27: the forensic evidence not only says that there's reasonable doubt,
• 38:04
  Speaker 27: the forensic evidence says Jason Carter couldn't possibly be guilty.
• 38:09
  Speaker 27: Shirley Carter died long before that, probably while he was
• 38:15
  Speaker 27: at car guilt on video. I ask you to return
• 38:24
  Speaker 27: a verdict of not guilty. As the jury went out
• 38:28
  Speaker 27: to deliberate, our main hope was that they would look
• 38:31
  Speaker 27: at the evidence and the lack of evidence, and that
• 38:36
  Speaker 27: they wouldn't be distracted by a family that had turned
• 38:40
  Speaker 27: against Jason.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: As the jury was deliberating his fate, Jason Carter was
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: nervous preparing for prison.
• 38:48
  Speaker 10: You know I'd be lying if I said I wasn't.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: He sent text messages to his teenage son Jason and
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: five year old daughter McKenna, just in case.
• 38:58
  Speaker 10: I said, Daddy loves you very much and.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: That I would.
• 39:06
  Speaker 10: I'll be home to see you soon.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: House real hard, but.
• 39:14
  Speaker 19: I felt like I needed to do that because you
• 39:17
  Speaker 19: never know what a jury's thinking.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: He found out just two hours later, you.
• 39:24
  Speaker 11: May be seated. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, have you
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: reached a verdict?
• 39:32
  Speaker 27: And so I prepared Jason for the worst possible verdict
• 39:37
  Speaker 27: and made some requests that he not overreact if he
• 39:41
  Speaker 27: got a negative verdict.
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: Form of verdict number one.
• 39:48
  Speaker 25: He was shaking gray. I have no color in his
• 39:53
  Speaker 25: skin at all.
• 39:54
  Speaker 11: We the jury find Jason Carter not guilty. Is that
• 40:03
  Speaker 11: your verdict? Ladies and gentlemen. Mister bull, do you care
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: to have the jury pulled? Very well?
• 40:13
  Speaker 27: Started to cry visibly, and I think it was just
• 40:17
  Speaker 27: the release of the pressure and the tension.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: And what he had gone through, and then kisses from
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: the wife who had stood by him through it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 11: All, and of acquittal. Any bond previously posted by the
• 40:32
  Speaker 11: defendant will be released and exonerated anything further on behalf
• 40:38
  Speaker 11: of the dependent. At this point Ms brandstead On behalf
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: of the state.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: His father, Bill was devastated.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: They took me out of the courtroom as fast as
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: they could get me out of there.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: The DA.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Took me downstairs, where I cried. I knew it was
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: over with.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: After the verdict, Prosecutor ed Bull said he remained certain
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Jason Carter was the killer.
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: I wouldn't have signed my name to the trial information
• 41:08
  Speaker 8: and brought this case if I did not believe Jason
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: Carter was responsible. We want to be certain we have
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: the right guy, and we were certain we did the
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: Jerry saw it differently.
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: And I love my wife.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I loved her dearly, and I was afraid.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: What would happen is exactly what happened. I was afraid
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: there would be no verdict. And now she's what you
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: call a cold case. She's a cold case.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: The anger and the bitterness and the legal drama with
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: the Carter family is still far from over. Jason and
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Shelley are suing his father, the State of Iowa and
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Agent Mark Ludwig, who declined to comment.
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: We want a new set of eyes on this case.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: In the worst way. We want an investigator who is
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: going to investigate. We're over five years now and we're
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: still fighting.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: And you know what, I'll tell you what.
• 42:15
  Speaker 18: We're not about to stop.
• 43:01
  Speaker 20: The call came in just after eleven o'clock.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: His wife was there.
• 43:08
  Speaker 20: Maya Hassle was there, kneeling down next to Sergeant Hassle,
• 43:12
  Speaker 20: hugging him, covered in blood, crying back up, very upset.
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: He's at he's at the hospital right now, and Tyrone,
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: everybody's up there. I'm gonna be honest. It does not
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: look good.
• 43:31
  Speaker 20: No, he was the pride of his family. He shot
• 43:35
  Speaker 20: up the ranks and made sergeant at an incredibly young age.
• 43:39
  Speaker 29: You wait and wait and wait for that time for
• 43:43
  Speaker 29: that boy to grow up and become a man and
• 43:47
  Speaker 29: become your friend as well as your son, and it
• 43:51
  Speaker 29: was all taken away from him.
• 43:53
  Speaker 26: The events will clearly establish that Jeremy Quayar is a
• 43:57
  Speaker 26: full long cycle.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 43:59
  Speaker 17: I could say, but the way you look, man, you
• 44:01
  Speaker 17: want me to burn in hell, sir, And I understand.
• 44:04
  Speaker 21: That this guy got into here, He got into your head.
• 44:06
  Speaker 21: You guys are working together.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: He's playing you.
• 44:09
  Speaker 30: That gun was never in her hand, but her fingerprints
• 44:13
  Speaker 30: are all over this murder.
• 44:15
  Speaker 26: So yes, is the answer to the question, you are
• 44:16
  Speaker 26: also being a manipulator of this situation.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: Correct, I guess that's a fair statement.
• 44:20
  Speaker 31: Yes, And without those statements, the prosecution has no case
• 44:24
  Speaker 31: against the Maya Hossle.
• 44:28
  Speaker 16: Your wife.
• 44:31
  Speaker 11: This is what he's going to tell me.
• 44:33
  Speaker 18: A situation and.
• 44:35
  Speaker 10: I grabbed the guns trying to find the first place
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: to put a body.
• 44:37
  Speaker 11: No, sir, the only thing they could do was killing.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: You want to say anything, lead the jury and you
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: find the defendant.
• 45:04
  Speaker 25: We're trying to get start.
• 45:06
  Speaker 20: It's New Year's Eve. The call came in just after
• 45:09
  Speaker 20: eleven o'clock nine one one.
• 45:14
  Speaker 32: Hello, Hello, Yes, are you know?
• 45:20
  Speaker 20: And at that point it's a massive response by police
• 45:24
  Speaker 20: agencies from all over the area responding to that call.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: The victim was a twenty three year old US Army
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Sergeant Tyrone Hassle, the third shot while on holiday leaved
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: visit his family in Benton Harmer. His distraught wife, Camaya,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: called nine to one, what did you.
• 45:43
  Speaker 17: Okay?
• 45:44
  Speaker 20: When the officers got there, Sergeant Hassle was laying on
• 45:48
  Speaker 20: the ground, sloped them against his truck, obvious gunshot wounds
• 45:52
  Speaker 20: to his head. And neck area. Gunshot wound to the
• 45:55
  Speaker 20: shoulder area.
• 45:56
  Speaker 10: His wife was there.
• 45:57
  Speaker 20: Maya Hassle was there kneeling down next to Sergeant Hassle,
• 46:01
  Speaker 20: hugging him, covered in blood, crying, very upset.
• 46:06
  Speaker 12: Back up, Do you have any idea of what happened here?
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: No?
• 46:16
  Speaker 10: He just runing something to eat.
• 46:18
  Speaker 33: Okay, So he's sitting on the couch eating and then
• 46:21
  Speaker 33: I just heard gunshots.
• 46:23
  Speaker 18: I never ready to put my son in the room
• 46:24
  Speaker 18: when I came outside and he was laying on the car.
• 46:26
  Speaker 12: Okay, how many gunshots did you hear?
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 46:29
  Speaker 15: I just heard a lot.
• 46:30
  Speaker 12: Do you have any idea how this happened? I'm not
• 46:32
  Speaker 12: a short No, this is serious. Okay. I don't know
• 46:36
  Speaker 12: what his condition is, but it does not look good.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, So.
• 46:42
  Speaker 12: If you know something, I don't think he would keeping
• 46:44
  Speaker 12: with anybody. And I was an awful time.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Then Sergeant Hassel's father, Tyrone Jr. Arrived on the sea.
• 46:52
  Speaker 12: Your son.
• 46:57
  Speaker 29: Seeing what I saw. I seen my son on the
• 47:00
  Speaker 29: on the gurney. I can see the hole in the front,
• 47:03
  Speaker 29: in the back of his head. I was just hoping
• 47:06
  Speaker 29: that some way, somehow they would can save his life.
• 47:11
  Speaker 29: But I knew he was dead because I was looking
• 47:14
  Speaker 29: in his eyes and it was no motion.
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: He's a he's at the hospital right now, and everybody's
• 47:19
  Speaker 9: up there. I'm gonna be honest. It does not look good.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: No.
• 47:24
  Speaker 20: At first, the police were just trying to really, you know,
• 47:28
  Speaker 20: contain the scene, preserve all the evidence, and try to
• 47:31
  Speaker 20: figure out what's going on. A couple options that they
• 47:34
  Speaker 20: originally thought could have been a robbery.
• 47:37
  Speaker 29: I thought that somebody may have tried to take his truck.
• 47:40
  Speaker 29: He had a nice truck, he wore a nice jury.
• 47:44
  Speaker 29: People knew he was in the military, and Ben Harbor
• 47:48
  Speaker 29: is kind of a very low income city, and I
• 47:52
  Speaker 29: thought somebody was just trying to get an easy come up.
• 47:56
  Speaker 12: There's evidence on his body, just maybe a robbery. Did
• 47:59
  Speaker 12: we need to know if he had money?
• 48:00
  Speaker 20: We didn't know if he go to But after some
• 48:04
  Speaker 20: you know, real quick digging into it, that didn't seem
• 48:06
  Speaker 20: to be the case because Sergeant Hassel still had his
• 48:08
  Speaker 20: wallet with him with money, his phone was with him,
• 48:11
  Speaker 20: keys to his truck were right there, so nothing appeared
• 48:14
  Speaker 20: to have been stolen.
• 48:16
  Speaker 12: All right, ma'am, we need we need to secure of
• 48:19
  Speaker 12: these people here.
• 48:20
  Speaker 17: You know what out here.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: We gotta cutch it up.
• 48:25
  Speaker 12: You gotta come out here with us.
• 48:26
  Speaker 34: Okay, come on, I'm not I'm not trying to say
• 48:31
  Speaker 34: anything by saying this, but I have to ask.
• 48:33
  Speaker 12: Okay, was there drugs on here?
• 48:35
  Speaker 17: Like?
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Was he doing a drug?
• 48:36
  Speaker 12: YID or nothing?
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: So I don't my son have no found anything.
• 48:41
  Speaker 29: You don't have a record.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: He told me a long time ago, Daddy, if I
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: go to jail, somebody framed me. I walked the straight
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: line his entire life.
• 48:50
  Speaker 12: So whatever happened happening right here? Huh.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: The bullet casings telling a story.
• 48:56
  Speaker 9: There's one, one, two, three, and number four is right there.
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: Four Maybe it was to one of the shoulder. Whoever
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: shot him was either laying in wait or walked upon
• 49:13
  Speaker 9: h because the shot him right up next to his truck,
• 49:14
  Speaker 9: right outside the door. There was a point pointing shot.
• 49:17
  Speaker 9: I'm sure somebody knows something.
• 49:20
  Speaker 20: The next route the police were looking into was possible
• 49:23
  Speaker 20: mistaken identity. Maybe they thought the victim, Sergeant Hassele, was
• 49:28
  Speaker 20: somebody else when the shooting took place.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: And police should learn from his friends and family that
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: the sergeant's younger half brother, Benny, had been running with
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: a bad crowd more than.
• 49:39
  Speaker 34: Likely that was probably Benny was probably the target. He
• 49:44
  Speaker 34: just happened to step on it around the time if
• 49:47
  Speaker 34: I had a guess. That's what my theory on this
• 49:49
  Speaker 34: whole thing is.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Sergeant Tyrone Hassel the third was pronounced dead on New
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Year's Day, a cruel ending for the life of a
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: young man who had worked so hard to make it out.
• 50:00
  Speaker 29: And in the city of beIN Ha, it's trouble. Everywhere
• 50:03
  Speaker 29: you go, trouble will find you. But he just kept
• 50:06
  Speaker 29: his focus on sports and he stayed out of trouble
• 50:16
  Speaker 29: because he stayed so busy.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: He ran track, played baseball, got good grades, and had
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: lots of friends.
• 50:23
  Speaker 20: Sergeant Hassel, everybody just described him as a guy that
• 50:26
  Speaker 20: makes you a better person. Got an academic scholarship to
• 50:29
  Speaker 20: go to Grand Valley State University.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: He was doing what he needed to do to better
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: his life.
• 50:35
  Speaker 20: While he was at Grand Valley, he decided he wanted
• 50:38
  Speaker 20: to serve the country and he enlisted in the army.
• 50:40
  Speaker 20: And immediately when he was in the army, he shot
• 50:42
  Speaker 20: up the ranks and made sergeant at an incredibly young age.
• 50:46
  Speaker 20: I talked to some of the people in army Cid
• 50:48
  Speaker 20: and they said, yeah, you don't make sergeant as fast
• 50:52
  Speaker 20: as he did.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: It was a good fit, especially after falling in love
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: with another soldier, Camaia.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I thought she was great. I mean, I loved it
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: like a daughter.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: And then the young couple was deployed to Korea, serving
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: in separate units, living in different barracks, standard policy for
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: the US Army. It seemed a happy marriage that got
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: even better with the arrival of a son, Tyrum Fourth,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: nicknamed Chuck.
• 51:21
  Speaker 20: Just loved his family, He loved Kamaia, treated her like
• 51:26
  Speaker 20: a queen. All he wanted to do was serve in
• 51:28
  Speaker 20: the army and take care of his family and did
• 51:30
  Speaker 20: the best he could ad it.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Home for the holidays, he told his father how happy
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: he was. Happy with the army, happy with his family,
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: and always happy to know he would soon be having
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: some of his father's home cooking.
• 51:54
  Speaker 29: He was dancing thinking about that deep fried turkey and
• 51:57
  Speaker 29: macaroni cheese and jesse.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: But I thought he was going to.
• 52:04
  Speaker 29: Be a very successful young man, a very successful father
• 52:10
  Speaker 29: and family member. I mean, he did things that at
• 52:14
  Speaker 29: that age that it took me years and years and
• 52:17
  Speaker 29: years to do.
• 52:18
  Speaker 20: He was the pride of his family. Really just the
• 52:21
  Speaker 20: pride of his friends in the community around here. Just
• 52:24
  Speaker 20: a great, great man.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: But the murder investigation was about to reveal that not
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: everything was happy in Tyrone Hassel's life.
• 52:36
  Speaker 35: The family wants to find the person responsible for a
• 52:39
  Speaker 35: New Year's Eve shooting that left a twenty three year
• 52:41
  Speaker 35: old active military member dead.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: You don't know why this is will happened to him,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: so we really really want to know why.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: As to textus returned to the scene in daylight looking
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: for more clues. There was still no answer to that
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: question of why Tyrone Hassel's son was murdered.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: We're still working it. We don't have monch right now.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Police showed the heartbroken father surveillance photos of possible suspects,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: pursuing the mistaken identity theory at the real target had
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: been the victims half brother, Benny.
• 53:11
  Speaker 12: I've talked to Benny Man. Benny's got something he's holding back. Hey, well,
• 53:18
  Speaker 12: how are you.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Down the block? A neighbor came forward to report a
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: suspicious man parking his car just before the shooting.
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: Because he was here what two or three days ago,
• 53:32
  Speaker 8: and partner.
• 53:35
  Speaker 20: There are a lot of tips coming into the police
• 53:37
  Speaker 20: on this case, and they followed up every single one
• 53:41
  Speaker 20: and they did that for about ten days. Tip after
• 53:45
  Speaker 20: tip coming in, they just kept following.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Up on But after talking with dozens of friends and
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: family members, all right, all right, good luck man, and
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: even the half brother Benny. Nothing panned out and the
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: mistaken identity theory was dismissed.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: But I always kept saying, man, this ain't right, this
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: is personal.
• 54:06
  Speaker 29: And when they said that they probably thought it was
• 54:08
  Speaker 29: a case of mistaken identity, I said no, because whoever
• 54:12
  Speaker 29: did that seeing his.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Face, And then the family's public please for help paid off.
• 54:17
  Speaker 20: There was an anonymous call that came into the Saint
• 54:20
  Speaker 20: Joe Township Police Department.
• 54:22
  Speaker 11: Why you think this happened the way you do?
• 54:26
  Speaker 32: I'll help you with that.
• 54:28
  Speaker 20: And it was a woman calling saying you need to
• 54:31
  Speaker 20: take a look at people within his own battalion and
• 54:34
  Speaker 20: platoon who may be responsible for this.
• 54:38
  Speaker 36: So they were all in Korea.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: That's where it tided, claiming Sergeant Hessel's wife, Camia, was
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: having an affair with another.
• 54:49
  Speaker 32: Soldier he had the girl had a relationship going on,
• 54:54
  Speaker 32: and that the guy that that had said subche groups
• 54:57
  Speaker 32: that they had words and then he had.
• 55:01
  Speaker 35: And what I think I heard you understand is this
• 55:04
  Speaker 35: relationship started in Korea and there was a words exchanged
• 55:10
  Speaker 35: or a confrontation between the husband, Tyrone and the killer
• 55:15
  Speaker 35: there right.
• 55:17
  Speaker 32: I don't know if it's their idea all the pigeons
• 55:20
  Speaker 32: that you generally some where, you guys should look at
• 55:23
  Speaker 32: the way.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: So now the investigation quickly shifted to Fort Stewart, Jorgia,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: where Tyrone and Camia were based, a place that held
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: some dark secrets.
• 55:35
  Speaker 20: There were two Army specialists that came forward in Fort
• 55:39
  Speaker 20: Stewart to their criminal investigation divisions and began to give
• 55:43
  Speaker 20: a statement about what took place, one.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Of them revealing that Sergeant Hassel had learned his wife
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Kamiya was indeed having an affair with another soldier.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: You said, Hassell did know there was something.
• 55:56
  Speaker 30: Going on with me too.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: We call it.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: The other soldier alleged having the affair with the victim's
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: wife was identified as Specialist Jeremy Quaar, known as Quay.
• 56:06
  Speaker 13: Would Quay say about they have talked about her while
• 56:09
  Speaker 13: he was on leave anything like that?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: He just can't wait to get back to his fates divorce.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: From his wife, and that another soldier revealed he had
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: sowed Qui a glock pistol just two weeks before the.
• 56:21
  Speaker 29: Murder, unloaded, loaded, then taking a part assimilate put it
• 56:25
  Speaker 29: back together.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: It was more than enough for Armory investigators at Fort
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Stewart to place Jeremy Quaar under arrest.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Gotch And now we brought you down here for a reason. Okay.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Have they told you or informed you anything about why
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: you were picked up last night?
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: But Quare cut off any questions after being advised of
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: his rights, and.
• 56:53
  Speaker 21: At disappointing time, do you wish to have a lawyer?
• 56:57
  Speaker 14: Yeah?
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: But he apparently had already. He talked plenty with another
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: soldier in his platoon, and.
• 57:03
  Speaker 20: He said, I did what I had to do. I
• 57:05
  Speaker 20: went up there and I took care of it. He
• 57:07
  Speaker 20: talked about the number of shots he fired, what gun
• 57:09
  Speaker 20: he had, how it came about in the driveway of
• 57:12
  Speaker 20: Sergeant Hassell's family.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: So the next question was what about Sergeant Hassel's wife, Camaya.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: She had already been at the police station days earlier,
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: in tears, offering to help find her husband's killer, but
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: she made no mention of the affair or her lover Jeremy.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Did she know what he had done something of this mood.
• 57:34
  Speaker 20: They contacted Sergeant Hassel's father, Tyrone Hassel the Second, and said,
• 57:39
  Speaker 20: we need to talk to you. Can you bring Camaia
• 57:42
  Speaker 20: down with you to the station.
• 57:43
  Speaker 29: So when I walked up to hers and said, hey,
• 57:45
  Speaker 29: we got to go to the shelf department, she was
• 57:47
  Speaker 29: like okay, come on, and we walked in.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: And we walked in.
• 57:52
  Speaker 29: He was like, Camaya, you go right here, mister Hassell,
• 57:54
  Speaker 29: you have a seat right here, and they took her
• 57:58
  Speaker 29: behind a cured door. Came right back to me and
• 58:02
  Speaker 29: he said, mister Horson, go home. It's gonna be alone night.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I kind of like slowly walked away, like what the
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: hed just happened.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Kamaiah was indeed in for a long night, about to
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: be questioned by State Police Detective First Lieutenant Andrew Lungusky.
• 58:21
  Speaker 23: We didn't know if we had a boyfriend who was
• 58:23
  Speaker 23: maybe obsessed with her a little bit and acting on
• 58:26
  Speaker 23: his own cause he was saying that he had committed
• 58:27
  Speaker 23: the homicide, or if she was actually involved.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: The detective began with questions about the affair with Jeremy.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: What was going on?
• 58:35
  Speaker 21: Do he just started working with did it starting Korea.
• 58:37
  Speaker 21: Is that wherething started going? Cause it no noubt about it.
• 58:39
  Speaker 21: This whole relationship's gone.
• 58:41
  Speaker 18: Creat That's where it started, right. We weren't sexual or anything,
• 58:45
  Speaker 18: but we were really close.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: Put your eye now.
• 58:49
  Speaker 18: What really close?
• 58:50
  Speaker 21: You got your probably sexual sower thrown all that you
• 58:52
  Speaker 21: have to be to have this kind of for me
• 58:53
  Speaker 21: to get this hold on you, he's hand to break.
• 58:55
  Speaker 18: You sexually to you, I've got some first, not even
• 58:57
  Speaker 18: not even just sexually, we just shit.
• 59:00
  Speaker 33: I just would feeling so bad, like good pie, like
• 59:04
  Speaker 33: nothing me now wanting to be with him that your
• 59:06
  Speaker 33: chipa I was being treated. I was just feeling so
• 59:09
  Speaker 33: bad and it's just like he was just there like
• 59:12
  Speaker 33: listening and everything like you lived on you.
• 59:16
  Speaker 18: He you lived with me, and I I felt like
• 59:19
  Speaker 18: with Poe was how where he couldn't you? He wouldn't
• 59:21
  Speaker 18: live with food.
• 59:22
  Speaker 17: And she was very well spoken.
• 59:24
  Speaker 23: She seemed to be very believable as far as she
• 59:27
  Speaker 23: was sad that her husband was gone. Told me that
• 59:30
  Speaker 23: she wouldn't want to marry again cause no way treat
• 59:33
  Speaker 23: he as good as her husband did.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: And she denied knowing anything about the murder to Detective
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: law Gusky, who had been chosen for this questioning because
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: he was also the chief of the polygraph unit for
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: the state Police, an expert with the log detector test,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: which she then agreed to take.
• 59:49
  Speaker 23: I think she wanted to prove that she wasn't involved.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: Back at the Hassle home, her husband's family had no
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: idea what was happening, why it was taking so long?
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Well pasted, oh and I'm like, this is exhausting.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 29: I got to get up in a few hours to
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 29: go bury my son, and nobody's telling me anything.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: And his wife is over at the Sheriff's department.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 29: I'm concerned about why they have her over there, but
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 29: I'm still not convinced that she had anything to do
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 29: with it, because, like I said, I loved it like
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 29: my daughter, and I was worried.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: He would know what was going on in just a
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: few hours.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 23: On the surface, she looks like a nice young lady,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 23: you know, a military person, But.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: The lie detector showed Kamaia Hassel was deceptive, was not
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: telling the truth about her role in the murder of
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: her husband. Sergeant Tyrone Hassled.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 23: Once I went back in the room to actually confront her,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 23: it's probably within a half an hour that she's kind
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 23: of changed her story on her eighty degrees.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: And he coaxed her along with words of sympathy and
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: understanding and a false claim that Jeremy was blaming her.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 21: You're not the one pulling trigger. You need to get
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 21: up front of this for your son because you have
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 21: a future. And I'm telling you, when they come and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 21: talk to me, I want to be able to say, hey,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 21: I give her a test. Would she be involved with
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 21: someone she thought? It has occurred without a doubt.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 17: You are.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 21: But don't let him put you out into the bus
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 21: because that's where it's going right now, because this isn't
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 21: something you planned. This guy got into you. He got
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 21: into your head. You guys are working together. He's playing you,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 21: and I don't mean it in a bad way. We
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 21: all get played. We've all been in that situation.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 23: Because she relatively quickly started to expose not only her
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 23: you know, conspiracy to do this, but also she was
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 23: kind of a major player as far as making it
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 23: happen that night.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 18: So in Korea, don't I can't really implant exactly what
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 18: it was meant.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 33: I had this big argument and then you know, I
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 33: came back and to good and all talking to the Jeremy,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 33: I'm like, eh, I don't do him them like.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 18: He was like, I've handled that, And I was like,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 18: you know, what do you mean by that? He was like,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 18: I handle it. I'll get back by I get to go.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: Blah blah blah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: It turns out that Jeremy Kwaar had come to Beton
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: Harbor several nights before driving in from Chicago. He staked
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: out Sergeant Hassel at a local nightclub, but there were
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: too many people around to pull it off.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 33: I don't think he was getting cold because every pound
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 33: that he would come out and wasn't he to do it?
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: It was pumped and on New Year's Eve, Camaia was
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: sending Jeremy text and snapschat messages about her husband's whereabouts.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 18: Okay, he was and he was out there and he
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 18: was watching the house, the.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: Whole house, and that's when it happened. Camaia that night,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: playing the role of the distraught grieving wife.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: What would you say? This is the fifty fifty you
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: guys were on us?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 33: Yeah, okay, I knew all about it, and I, like
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 33: I said, I I probably could have stopped it.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 18: But the reason that I didn't because I felt like
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 18: he would, you know.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: Be mad at me, or i'd probably anymore.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 18: Yeah, cause I just felt like I wasn't getting that
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 18: love at home like I wanted to.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: But to Texas believe there was another important reason. Sergeant
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: has those military life insurance policy that would have paid
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: her four hundred thousand dollars.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 33: The money is part of the year, okay, but the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 33: main reason being is because I just felt like if I.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 18: Would have called it all, like Jeremy probably would've.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 33: Like been upset at the fact that I called it off,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 33: and I I didn't want him like mad at me.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 21: Okay, what you understand all call it off or to
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 21: say your housing life you better worth though you know
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 21: was kir of bad man.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 18: Not bad enough for this? And honestly that's just like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 18: my heart, that's really hard.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: I believe you do it.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: I don't believe you do it today.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 21: But till you put your needs in your wants about
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 21: somebody's life, I did one thousand dollars retired.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: You probably was of afore would you say that's a
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: first day?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: The night of the murder and for more than a
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: week afterwards, Kamaia Hassel had denied knowing anything about what happened.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 14: Now.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: Ten days later, at three in the morning, Detective on
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Gussie had achieved a full throated confession.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: So as far as I are you sad, you're planning Allah?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 33: Yeah, that's why even though I wasn't being one hundred
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 33: percent truth when the beginning.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 21: That's when you say you weren't one hundred percent tru
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 21: that's a that's a kind of a major undred percent
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 21: you were, Because.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Would you hate that?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's huge. I mean I almost think
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: that these guys.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 33: But that's why I was when I kept saying that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 33: if w would I know now, if I could, I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 33: would go back and not do it.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 18: I wouldn't even talk to Jeremy at all, knowing that
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 18: everything would have gone like this.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: But Jeremy was gonna go and you call him back.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. I get why he called
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: him back, me going now, what do you what do
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: you think can happen?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 18: He right now, I don't know, becluding myself, I feel
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 18: just in goodie him.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: Detectives came to the Hassle home to break the news
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: in person.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: He said, we we solved your son's case. I was like,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: who was it?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 29: He said it was Camaya, and my family just went
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 29: through a outrage, and I was still I I think
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 29: I was still in denial.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't wanna believe it. I couldn't. It
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: was like no way, no way possible.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 29: But then when he told me that it was her
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 29: lover that did it, I was like completely blown away.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Kamaiah Hassel and her lover, Jeremy Quayar, were both charged
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: with first degree murder and the death of Sergeant Tyrone Hassel.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 29: I lived with this person for eleven days after my
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 29: son was killed. My entire family comforted this person. We
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 29: took her in like one of our own. She was
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 29: the person that you know that was behind my son's murder.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 12: Do you have any idea of what happened here?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 10: He just running something to eat.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Angry wasn't even the word. How I would have killed
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: her instead.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: He would be the first witness against Kamaia Hassle when
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: she went on trial for murder.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: We are in the case of Michigan versus Kamaia Hassle,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: who was charged with plotting with her lover to kill
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: her husband, Tyrone Hassle.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: The third prosecutors decided to put Kamaia on trial first.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: Her lover Jeremy's trial would follow.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 20: I thought we had the stronger case against her with
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 20: the statements made to the detective.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: But there was concern about the optics.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 20: She was a very sympathetic defendant. In her appearances, she
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 20: looked incredibly young. She dressed for court, did her hair
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 20: in a way that made her look almost like a teenager.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 37: The woman responsible for that killing is seated right there,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 37: the defendant.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 30: You'll find she had murder on her mind and betrayal
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 30: in her heart. Lady and gentlemen we're here today.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 18: Is the defendant.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 38: Kamaia Hassle wasn't happy so her life and with her husband,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 38: and she devised a plan with her lover, Jeremy Quaar
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 38: to have a murder.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 18: In the annual.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 38: See from the evidence, it was.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 10: All about her.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 18: And what she wanted.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 20: It was kind of a case where you put everything
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 20: out there right away from opening statement and really just
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 20: keep the foot on the gas the whole time and
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 20: not let up.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 37: The evidence is never going to put the gun in
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 37: her hand. It was Jeremy Kuaar that pulled that trigger,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 37: but it was at her direction that gun was never
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 37: in her hand, but her fingerprints are.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 22: All over this murder.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: Kamaiah Hassel's lawyer, Chris Kessel, sought to portray his client
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: as a victim too of a crazed lover and unfair
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: police tactics in gaining her confession.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, there is.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 26: No question that Sergeant Hasse's death is not just sad,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 26: but is a tragedy. Convicting someone who's not responsible of
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 26: murder that is a tragedy too. Jeremy Quayar is directly,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 26: no question about.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 10: It, responsible for Tyrone Hassell's death.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 26: I think the evidence will clearly establish that Jeremy Kuaar
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 26: is a full blown cycle map.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: But it was Kamaia Hassel's videotaped confession to Detective lung
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: Gusky of him that was the biggest challenge for her
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: defense lawyer. After first trying to keep it from the jury.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 20: They did their best to try and prevent it, but
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 20: its admissible evidence, so there wasn't much that he could
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 20: really do to prevent that from coming in.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: So Kamaia Hassel's lawyer told the jury he would prove
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: the detective manipulated her and wore her down to get
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: a false confession in the middle of the night.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 26: It's only then after seven hoped and prodded now literally,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 26: but it's only at that point, after hours and hours
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 26: of denying, Ti Kamaiah Hassele makes this scene. And that's important,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 26: ladies and gentlemen, because the essence of this case is
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 26: that statement.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, thank you.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: The prosecution began by taking the jury back to the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: crime scene that New Year's Eve has seen through the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: eyes of its first witness, mister.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 38: Hassle, son murdered at your home in the driveway New
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 38: Year's Eve, twenty eighteen.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, it was the first time he had seen his
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: daughter in law, Camaia since the day she was arrested.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 29: She never made eye contact with me, never, not once
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 29: actually looked at me in the eye.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: So I was just thinking, oh no, she was heartless
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: for him.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Time had stood still since that night.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 29: When I arrived there was the paramedics was already there,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 29: and when they looked him up, I saw my son
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 29: back of his head just plugged out and his eyes
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 29: were open. I looked at him to see where all
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 29: he was shot at, and I saw a hole right here.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: You got no que from Rosa.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: Thank you, sir, you made it out and mister Brangey,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: you made.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 38: Some of the next weakness at yours who called well
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 38: detected Andrew.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 20: Lnguski probably the best evidence to come forwards really Detective
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 20: Linguski with his confession, and so we're going to play
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 20: that video, but essentially, can you tell the dread the basics.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 12: Of what she told you?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 17: Sir?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 23: She told me that she did plan it with Jeremy
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 23: and that they had tried on several occasions to make
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 23: it happen.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 20: We admitted the confession. Essentially, just played a forty five
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 20: minute straight through video of her giving all the details.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 20: She never once told you she said, no, don't do that,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 20: did she No, she did not.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: And then in writing Kamaia initially the key statement.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 23: That's the first question I asked was did you plan
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 23: with Jeremy to kill Tyrone?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: Her statement, which she asked, so I put it in quotes.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 23: Then we came back later and we have her initially,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 23: and then I asked her how I treat her, and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 23: I had to write a tent out to the side
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 23: one to ten on how I treated her, and then
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 23: we both signed and data at the bottom.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: Nothing additional, Thank you, sir.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: Now the moment defense lawyer Chris Kessel had been waiting
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: for as he tried to show his client had been
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: tricked by the detective with this false statement.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 21: Don't let him put your any combustion because that's where
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 21: it's going right now, because it isn't something you plan.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 26: You said you got to get out in front of
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 26: it because Jeremy is going to throw you.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Under the bus.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: Do you remember saying that I believe it did.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 26: Yes, you actually said that Jeremy was in custody at
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 26: one point and then he was talking.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 11: Do you remember saying that, yes, it did.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 10: You have no idea if he was making any statements
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 10: about her?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, I had no idea.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: Jeremy in fact never made a statement, refuse to answer
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: any questions and.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 21: At disappoint in time do you wish to have a lawyer.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: And had never implicated Kmaiyah?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 10: You said Jeremy was a manipulator.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: Correct, I made that was a theme that I.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 11: Used, Yes, and you said it repeatedly.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 19: Is that right?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 17: Yes? It did.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 26: But it's fair to say that you're doing your own
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 26: version of manipulating during this interview too.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 18: Is that right.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 23: Well, I'm trying to make her feel comfortable and give
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 23: her an option or a way to explain something that
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 23: she may have been involved in.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 10: So, yes, is the answer to the question.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: You were also being a manipulated from this situation, correct?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: I guess that's a fair statement.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, But the prosecution had another card to play to
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: show the confession had not been the result of the
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: detective's tricks or manipulation.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 36: Hello, this is a call from an inmate at the
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 36: Burian County Jail.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: A phone call com Iiah made to her mother right
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: after she was arrested. The prosecution's last piece of evidence.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 18: I'm in the jail.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Why are you in jail?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 18: Because I knew what was going on?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 36: Would you knew what was going on? I knew what
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 36: was going on with How long.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 18: Was I knew what was haing?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 36: COMI I'm be serious? You gotta be kidding. I'm serious, Mom.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: I just knew that you would be disappointed.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 21: I just so.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 11: You.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 36: Oh, at least you become myself. You were living a
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 36: double life and you have had your herds be killed.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 36: The art of your child you're talking about. I be disappointed. No,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 36: I'm disappointed in this somebody, if somebody course for you
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 36: to say itself, because that just like a TV show,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 36: a dreams.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they're not mine.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 36: I can't hear you know they're not what they y'all think.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 36: Y'all gonna wait your day.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: The prosecution rushed and all that remained for the defense
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: was to decide whether Kamaia Hassle would testify. Members of
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: the Hassle family had packed the courtroom waiting now to
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: hear if Camaia would take the stand and try to
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: explain herself.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 29: First thing I would want to know is why I
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 29: didn't see any anger within their marriage, but I didn't
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 29: even see any problems. I would just want to know
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 29: why everything that we've been through alle together, why would.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: You do that to my family?
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 26: Miss Hassel, is it your decision today to testify or
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 26: do you.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: Wish to remain sign?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 29: Okay, but basically can have a sea dam that's to
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 29: this day, she still hasn't showed any remorse.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 33: Ladies and childlemen, we're going to go directly into posing arguments.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 18: First we will hear from the people and.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: Mister Krant thank you.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 20: Aiding and a betting she's just as responsible as Jeremy Quare.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 20: She needs to be held accountable same as Jeremy Quair,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 20: because she.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: Is just as responsible.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 20: She assisted in this crime, she gave aid, she gave counsel, she.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 11: Procured it, she abetted to encourage it.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 18: All the evidence shows that, and she conspired with him
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 18: to do it.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: And then Prosecutor Steve Paranzli again played the key parts
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: of Kamaya's interrogation tape, her confession.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 18: Of him.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 10: What else shows that this was planned out ahead of time?
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 10: Her own statements to her mother.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 20: Surely she was not giving a false confession to her
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 20: mother when she said we planned it. After that point,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 20: I don't think there was very much else the jury
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 20: needed hold her accountable, agree with her that she is
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 20: just as skilty.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: It's Jerry Coya, thank you.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: For the defense. The task was to somehow undercut the
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: power of the interrogation with Detective Lungkuvsky.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 26: He is by far the best that I've ever seen,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 26: no question about it.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: He is as skilled an interviewer as I have ever seen.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 10: And that is the whole case, ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 31: The whole issue is, do you believe that Kamaia Hassle
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 31: made those statements because she had been manipulated by a
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 31: pro She had been denying all of this stuff for days, weeks, hours,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 31: and it was only after Detective law Gusky went to
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 31: work that she changed her story. The statement that she
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 31: made implicating herself was the result of a long.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 12: Stay in police custody, followed by repeated.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 26: Denials, followed by manipulation again, Detective Loandusky's agreed upon work
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 26: and without those statements, the prosecution has.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 31: No case against Kamaia Hassle, and I hope you return
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 31: a fair and just verdict in this case.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, Jenny.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: The jury returned with its verdict first thing the next
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: morning's be seated.
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  Speaker 37: I will reflect that the jury is back appropriately seated
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  Speaker 37: in the jury box.
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  Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 9: I'm gonna ask if he would open that envelope for
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 9: us please.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask her if you would please read again Count.
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  Speaker 21: One a verdict guilty of first degree premeditated murder as
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  Speaker 21: ader or.
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  Speaker 4: Better, thank you. And as to count two.
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  Speaker 5: Guilty of conspiracy to commit first degree read bad.
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  Speaker 18: Data murder, thank you.
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  Speaker 20: She was very stoic, emotionless real no reaction.
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  Speaker 3: From her even as she realized what was ahead.
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  Speaker 20: Life without parole is the mandatory sentence for first murder.
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  Speaker 3: But the case this was far from over. Prosecutors knew
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: there would be no justice without a conviction for Jeremy
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: Kuahar accused of actually pulling the trigger.
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  Speaker 20: So Jeremy's case was set another month down the road
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  Speaker 20: and we were ready to go with that case again.
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  Speaker 20: I felt the evidence was very strong.
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  Speaker 3: Including the testimony of his fellow soldiers about buying a
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: gun just before the murderer, how his phone tracked his
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: travels on the interstate to Benton Harbor, and that a
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: new piece of police equipment actually spotted his car's license
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: plate and.
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  Speaker 20: It was picked up the night of the murder, just
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 20: a couple hours before the murder, which put him in
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 20: the area around the time of the murder, which was
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 20: very important.
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  Speaker 3: Plus, a judge ruled that Camaiya's own statements about her
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: one time lover could be used against him. His lawyer
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: asked for a plea deal.
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  Speaker 20: Believe that he deserved to spend the rest of his
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  Speaker 20: life in prison, and we came to a term of
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 20: years of sixty five and he agreed to plead guilty
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  Speaker 20: to second degree murder so he'll be eligible for parole
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 20: when he's.
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  Speaker 12: Ninety years old.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 20: After mister Quaar pled guilty, he was walking out of
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 20: the courtroom, he looked back to Tyrone Hassel the second
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  Speaker 20: starting to Hassle's father, and said some words about I
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 20: need to talk to you.
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  Speaker 3: A few days later, Tyrone Hassell agreed to meet with
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: the man who killed his son.
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  Speaker 17: How you doing so?
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I'm all right, and you know, under circumstances, And I
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: just wanted to know what was going on.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 29: In his head.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: If you got something that you want to say, I'm
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: That's what I came here to listen to.
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  Speaker 17: But we do have an hour. I might as well
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 17: just tell you how everything went. I mean, are you okay?
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 17: You comfortable with that?
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with it.
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  Speaker 29: No, it definitely wasn't easy. Yeah, I mean he told
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 29: me way more than what I wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: Hear quinn I blamed it all on Camaya and her
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: planned to get her husband's four hundred thousand dollars in
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: life insurance money.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 17: She want she wanted me to do it man like,
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  Speaker 17: and I ain't like I wanted her. You know what
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 17: I'm saying, And she she she knew what she was doing.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 17: She wanted the money, so I don't know what she
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 17: that's crazy, crazy. Honestly, I was blind, Like I was blinded,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 17: you know. I thought that was love. You know what
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 17: I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, And what about Kamaia's tears when she
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: saw her husband shot dead in the driveway.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: I was just wondering if she talked to you about
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: that afterwards.
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  Speaker 17: I mean, yeah, she did, bat fact she did. She
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 17: was like, yeah, like you know, he died in my arms,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 17: and she was saying she was sad about it, and
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 17: I'm like, why'd you have me do it? Then? Like
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 17: you know what I'm saying. But she was just like,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 17: you know, it's it's cool, Like she knew what she
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 17: was doing. Man, she's a good actor. Man should be
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 17: the actor. She knew what she was doing, and I
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 17: was too stupid to see, you know what I'm saying. Honestly.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: The father struggled to hold his emotions in check.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 29: I mean, you've murdered my son and then you like
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 29: you actually touched my grandson.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 17: I could tell your by the way you look, man,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 17: you want me to burn in hell, sir, And I
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 17: understand that.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: I understand that.
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  Speaker 17: You know what I'm saying. I really hope you can
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 17: forgive me. You know what I'm saying. I know it's
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 17: gonna take forever, or you might not, but na, I
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 17: really hope you can.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: True enough, you killed my son, but don't I don't think.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 31: I know.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 29: I'm looking at somebody that had a twisted mind at
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 29: one point, you know, seemed like a good cat. And
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 29: I hate the situation had to happen, especially I hate
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 29: to have to happen to my son.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: I'm never gone. The only thing I could do is
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: visit him in the grave.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: After about fifty minutes, the father's meeting with his son's
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: killer was over. Tyrone has a warning Kayar about what
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: was to come for him.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Well, man, I appreciate you talking. I appreciate your more,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 29: But I don't know how much how much you know
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 29: about me or how much you know about my son.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 29: But you're gonna meet a lot of friends in there,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 29: bro It's we if they from ben Hard, but ninety
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 29: percent of him know us and were very popular. I
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 29: don't know if Camaya told you about you know about
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 29: us or whatever.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 17: But.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: You're gonna meet a lot of friends.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 17: How should I take that?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 29: I mean, I'm just I'm just telling you, he's gonna
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 29: have it heart in prison. He got sentenced to sixty
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 29: five years. You're gonna do three hundred and sixty five
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 29: days for sixty five years. It was justice because I
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 29: don't think he'll make it out. It's still in me
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 29: like it was yesterday. I'm far from over, but I'm
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 29: working on myself. You wait and wait and wait for
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 29: that time for that boy to grow up and become
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 29: a man and become your friend as well as your son.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: And that was my friend, you know.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 29: I I waited so long for that day, and it
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 29: was all taken away from me. I had just got
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 29: what I waited for for so long.