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Eno Sarris: Pitching tipping tech paranoia + Why to root for Brewers · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: You know, Sires a senior writer for the Athletic back
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  Speaker 1: on foul territory with us pitching aficionado, analytics stuff, plus
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  Speaker 1: the whole deal. Also listen to him on rates and barrels.
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  Speaker 1: Really appreciate the time again. You know, it's great to
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  Speaker 1: see you. And there's two key articles I want to
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  Speaker 1: hit with you. So I'm actually going to start with
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  Speaker 1: one put together by some of your colleagues on pitch
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  Speaker 1: tipping and how much paranoia there is and how there
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of MLB players really speaking publicly, I
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  Speaker 1: think more than ever this year about it. So where
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  Speaker 1: do you stand on where we're at as a sport
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  Speaker 1: with pitch tipping taking over as a way to get
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  Speaker 1: an edge.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen it the traditional way this year
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  Speaker 2: with Hazes Lozardo kind of showing inside his glove and
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  Speaker 2: having to figure out how to hold his glove, you know,
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  Speaker 2: tighter to his body and have to make that adjustment.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's totally above board. That's we've played baseball
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  Speaker 2: that way forever. If you can see into the glove
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  Speaker 2: and you can give a sign from second base, then
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  Speaker 2: that's part of the game where I think that it
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  Speaker 2: you know, this piece goes and talks about what's what's
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  Speaker 2: uniquely challenging about the modern game is we have all
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  Speaker 2: these technological ways to spot tips now, and so you
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  Speaker 2: can run a player's biomechanics through the machine and the
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  Speaker 2: machine can point out, oh, his elbow here or this
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  Speaker 2: or that and kind of highlight places where their delivery
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  Speaker 2: is different for different pitches. Then you can take that
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  Speaker 2: back to the hitters meeting and say, can we see this?
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  Speaker 2: Is this actionable? You know, the machines say this and
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  Speaker 2: this and this. Then you can even take it to
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  Speaker 2: the traject machine, which is this you know, new wave
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  Speaker 2: pitching machine that really shows you the pictures delivery and
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  Speaker 2: kind of gives you kind of a hologram almost of
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  Speaker 2: the pictures delivery. And you can actually start to take
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  Speaker 2: the tips to the pitching machine and practice them. So
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  Speaker 2: now you can before the game, you know, the hitting
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  Speaker 2: group can say, hey, you know, we think his elbow
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  Speaker 2: does this on sliders.
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  Speaker 3: Can you see it?
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  Speaker 2: We'll throw on traject Oh yeah, I can see it.
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  Speaker 3: I can see it. I can see it.
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  Speaker 4: And this is.
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  Speaker 2: Why Cody Bellinger says, sometimes I can't even unsee it.
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  Speaker 2: Once they tell me what the tip is so you know,
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  Speaker 2: the the this is part of the old school game
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  Speaker 2: coming together with the new school tools, uh to make
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  Speaker 2: it really difficult. But kind of came to a point
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  Speaker 2: with Matt Strom on the on the on the mound
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  Speaker 2: kind of showing into his glove and Andy pa Has,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sticking his arm out. But after the game,
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  Speaker 2: Andy pa Has says, well, you know, I wasn't giving
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  Speaker 2: pitch type. I think what he was giving was pitch
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  Speaker 2: location because he made that movement on two different pitch types,
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  Speaker 2: as Strom pointed out on social media, but both pitches
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  Speaker 2: were inside, so I think he was tipping location. The
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  Speaker 2: catcher was tipping location by setting up early, and Pies
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  Speaker 2: was relaying that. I think that's less I defer. I
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  Speaker 2: want to defer to the hitters here on the panel,
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  Speaker 2: but I would throw this to you guys. It's less
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  Speaker 2: useful maybe to have location because pitchers missed their location.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't give you pitch type. How do you feel
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  Speaker 2: about tipping location and would you want to know that
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  Speaker 2: if you were a hitter at the plate.
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  Speaker 5: Location is the key because I can take a guess
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  Speaker 5: on what's coming depending on who's out there. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 5: a guy gives me in and I'm facing a lefty,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I ain't getting a slider in and ain't
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  Speaker 5: getting a breaking ball in. I'm getting a fastball or
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  Speaker 5: change of ninety percent of the time for most lefties,
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  Speaker 5: it's going to be a fastball in right so or
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  Speaker 5: even if I'm facing a righty and they give me away,
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  Speaker 5: they're not usually throwing a slider or something outside. They're
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  Speaker 5: usually trying to backfoot it. To me, you got to
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  Speaker 5: know yourself a little bit. So yeah, location location. To me,
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  Speaker 5: the pitch type is fine and it helps you, but
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  Speaker 5: you don't know where they're throwing it. But if you
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  Speaker 5: can get a guy to tell you where to look,
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  Speaker 5: that's a huge advantage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I agree, but especially with the idea
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  Speaker 2: that like, oh, this is probably hard. So that's probably
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  Speaker 2: what task or thought process was inside. It's probably hard.
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  Speaker 2: It's a one to zero count, I'm gonna gear I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna gear up for the fastball. And but the the
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  Speaker 2: flip side of this in this this moment in particular,
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  Speaker 2: was that Strom didn't execute. You know, the pitch wasn't good,
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  Speaker 2: so it wasn't even where, it didn't even hit the target.
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  Speaker 2: So but but it probably helped the oscar to some
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  Speaker 2: degree to kind of you know, go think ahead and
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  Speaker 2: be like, this is probably a fastball.
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  Speaker 4: It's coming.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 6: I got to ask you this because social media blows up.
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  Speaker 6: There's people from right field saying, oh see, he's got this,
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  Speaker 6: he's got this signe see and he's taken this. He's
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  Speaker 6: taking his phone camera all the way from right field
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  Speaker 6: and seeing like, oh see, how obvious it is. How
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  Speaker 6: much do you feel like, as somebody and I'm not
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  Speaker 6: saying this in any in any way defaming you, you
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  Speaker 6: didn't play that. When you see something as demonstrative as
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  Speaker 6: this or this, do you feel like it is actually
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  Speaker 6: them having the sign? Or do you feel like teams
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  Speaker 6: are now playing the cat and mouse game like look
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  Speaker 6: at us, look at us.
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  Speaker 2: Patrick Bailey admitted that earlier in this season. That's in
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  Speaker 2: the piece from Anny McCully. He admitted that he was
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  Speaker 2: just doing it to mess with the picture and now
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  Speaker 2: the pictures like, what what do they got on me?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm in my head? And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's definitely some of that, and you know, I do
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  Speaker 2: try to defer to people with play. That's why I
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  Speaker 2: mentioned when the machines kind of kick something out. If
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  Speaker 2: I was part of that, you know, hitting group that said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: the machine say he does this with his elbow or something,
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  Speaker 2: I would bring it to the hitters, not like this
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  Speaker 2: is a tip and you guys have to act on.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be like, can you see this? Is this something
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  Speaker 2: that's useful to you? And ask them and and and
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  Speaker 2: give them the opportunity to decide for themselves rather than
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  Speaker 2: sort of tell them. I remember there was a tip
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  Speaker 2: that was that somebody discovered on social media that they
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  Speaker 2: were very sure about. It was Padre's picture, and I
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  Speaker 2: forget what the tip was a better or so. It
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  Speaker 2: was something about like his mouth before before he threw sliders,
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  Speaker 2: and this person was very sure of it because he'd
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  Speaker 2: shown that in these couple of days that like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he was he was he was doing this weird thing
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  Speaker 2: with his mouth before sliders. But then I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: let me just look at a random game and use
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  Speaker 2: this idea. And I couldn't replicate it in a random game.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe one day he was doing this weird thing
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  Speaker 2: with his mouth, but that doesn't mean he does it
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  Speaker 2: every time. So yeah, I think that the social media
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  Speaker 2: aspect is interesting. I mean it's really exploded on social media.
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  Speaker 2: It's like kind of the jamboification to some extent, where
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  Speaker 2: like everyone's like, oh, I've got this figured out. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he does he you know, he blows a bubble before
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  Speaker 2: he throws every slider. You know, sometimes it's true and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes it's not.
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  Speaker 3: You knows.
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  Speaker 5: Here's a couple of things on what you just said. One,
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  Speaker 5: if a guy was tipping, you had to get it early, okay,
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  Speaker 5: It had to be before he picks up his leg
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  Speaker 5: before he goes. Yes, you can get tips off mouths.
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  Speaker 5: There was a bunch of guys that tip. You'll hunt.
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  Speaker 5: Santana tiped to his mouth for a while, so he
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  Speaker 5: started chewing gum. He would do different things, so, yes,
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  Speaker 5: that was a real thing. Tyler Clipper did that with
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  Speaker 5: his mouth. I hit a home er off on one
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  Speaker 5: time because he would go on fastball, stick.
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  Speaker 3: His tongue out on change up. But you could see it.
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  Speaker 5: It was early, right, So those things matter. My question
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  Speaker 5: is is okay? Patrick Bailey I know this, and I'm
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  Speaker 5: not the old guy on my law and get off my.
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  Speaker 6: Long guy at all.
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  Speaker 3: I love the new age way to play. Well, why
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  Speaker 3: doesn't anybody go out there?
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  Speaker 5: And we've had this conversation on here before, Like Crawts
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  Speaker 5: will tell you, if there was a guy we even
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  Speaker 5: thought was given anything, Catcher would walk out.
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  Speaker 3: To the mountain.
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  Speaker 5: You act like you're picking up the rosenbag or talking
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  Speaker 5: to your picture, and you're not even talking to your picture.
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  Speaker 3: You're talking to the guy at second base and you say, hey.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I don't know if you're giving anything or not,
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  Speaker 5: but if you move on the next pitch, the guy
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  Speaker 5: at the plate is gonna get one, okay. And the
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  Speaker 5: easiest way to do is you go out your picture
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  Speaker 5: and say all right, I'm gonna call Slider and you
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  Speaker 5: throw it up and in and you watch the hitters reaction.
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  Speaker 5: He'll tell you if the guy's given him location. Right,
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  Speaker 5: But how come it isn't police differently? You know, we
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  Speaker 5: got guys out there waving their hand, even if they're
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  Speaker 5: just messing with the picture, they're making it so obvious
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  Speaker 5: that it's like, how do we not police this better?
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  Speaker 3: As a sport?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I came up with Jazz a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Jazz was was showing off a tip against the Braves
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  Speaker 2: and he kind of was like flapping his arms at
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  Speaker 2: second base, and you know, the Braves coaching staff let
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  Speaker 2: him have it, and it became an issue after the game.
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  Speaker 2: And so to some extent, I think, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: was some policing without having to hit Jazz, or at
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  Speaker 2: least kind of making Jazz answer questions after the game
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  Speaker 2: and kind of pointing out that he looked silly out there,
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  Speaker 2: you know, flapping his arms around and stuff. But maybe
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  Speaker 2: you know, Jazz hadn't planned it and he just spotted
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  Speaker 2: a tip on the fly and he didn't know what
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  Speaker 2: to do, so he just started flapping his arms, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like I wasn't there for you know, the pregame meeting.
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  Speaker 2: I doubt they were like, Jazz, if you get a tip,
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  Speaker 2: flap your up the arms that have been down like
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  Speaker 2: an eagle.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 2: So I can't answer that one for you, because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't been in those shoes. But sometimes it looks ridiculous,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, with the PA has thing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: for him to say afterwards, I wasn't tipping, and he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't like giving pitch types like he probably was trying
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  Speaker 2: to convey some sort of information or getting someone's head.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know that he was completely truthful in
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  Speaker 2: his comments afterwards either, But you know, nobody wants to
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  Speaker 2: give it away an edge at this point this season, especially.
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  Speaker 6: For sure, and every pitch matters. So if you get
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  Speaker 6: something for one pitch, that could be what swings a
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  Speaker 6: series and you go home or you stay there. Let's
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  Speaker 6: talk about pitches. Let's talk about what she wrote about
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  Speaker 6: starting or different pitchers leaning on pitches that they normally
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  Speaker 6: didn't lean on throughout this postseason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been pretty amazing. I looked it up even
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  Speaker 2: show hire Tani.
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  Speaker 4: Show here.
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  Speaker 2: Tani in his start yesterday through more curveballs than he
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  Speaker 2: had in any start ever except for one. So he
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  Speaker 2: basically was like, hey, you guys, are your keyed in
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  Speaker 2: on my splitter and my fastball? Here's the card ball.
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  Speaker 2: Blake Snell threw more change ups than he ever had
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  Speaker 2: in a start. As I pointed out, Uh, Schlitler went
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  Speaker 2: to more sinkers. You know, there's also like they're changing
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  Speaker 2: over time. Schlitzler was throwing more sinkers late in the season,
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  Speaker 2: so that might just been more comfortable with the sinker.
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  Speaker 2: But Nick Povetto was going to with two strikes, was
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  Speaker 2: going to the fastball almost twice as much as he
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  Speaker 2: did during the regular season. Schoobl had a ninety two
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  Speaker 2: on our slider, so he went heavy on that. Matt
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  Speaker 2: Boyd in his first start in the wild card threw
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  Speaker 2: more changeups than fastballs. He you know, he didn't do
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  Speaker 2: that all year. And it goes, you know, hand in
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  Speaker 2: glove with another. You know, I love I love like
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  Speaker 2: researching baseball because so many times old school stuff like
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  Speaker 2: comes flips around and people accuse, Oh, the nerds just
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  Speaker 2: figured out that, like having more pitch types is great.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, okay, But what really happened was we
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  Speaker 2: went through all these different ways where we're like, oh, hey,
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  Speaker 2: throw your best pitch most often. That's how you succeed,
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  Speaker 2: you know, throw your fast one slider, Just throw those
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  Speaker 2: most of the time if those are your best pitches.
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  Speaker 2: But we've come back around now and the newest thing
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  Speaker 2: in vogue is to throw lots of pitches. So pitches
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  Speaker 2: have gone from pitchers have gone from throwing four uh
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  Speaker 2: pitches pitches on average starting pitches. We're throwing four pitch
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  Speaker 2: types on average four years ago. Now it's five, and
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  Speaker 2: that's I know that's only one pitch, but that's a
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  Speaker 2: kind of a big deal to go for the average
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  Speaker 2: that much. So now the average pitcher is throwing five
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  Speaker 2: pitch types. And what you can do if you throw
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  Speaker 2: five pitch types? You come to October and you say,
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  Speaker 2: here's that one pitch that you guys didn't prepare for
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  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna throw the heck out of it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw a.
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  Speaker 2: Ton of them and you're not gonna be ready for it.
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  Speaker 2: So there's so much advanced scouting, there's so much thought
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  Speaker 2: process going into so many meetings. So much of this
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  Speaker 2: is like what do you do last time we saw them?
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  Speaker 2: What do we do in the what do you do
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  Speaker 2: in September? And if you can be like, oh, here's
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  Speaker 2: this one thing I haven't done all year that I
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  Speaker 2: saved for this moment, it seems to have worked really well,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's it's it's almost a troll job.
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  Speaker 2: Pitchers are trolling the opposite offense right now by using
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  Speaker 2: a pitch that they don't usually use.
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  Speaker 6: A lot.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I covered Schooble last night out in Seattle,
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  Speaker 5: and you mentioned he wasn't throwing his change up, but
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  Speaker 5: that was on purpose because they the Mariners hit his
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  Speaker 5: change up.
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  Speaker 3: So he tried to go away from it.
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  Speaker 5: He still got a ton of outs with it last night,
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  Speaker 5: and he gave up a homeer on a slider, so
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  Speaker 5: maybe he should have gone to the change up, but
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  Speaker 5: that was on purpose, right, And he still punched out nine,
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  Speaker 5: walked one, and gave up like four hits and obviously
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  Speaker 5: the two homers. But some of this is game planning
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  Speaker 5: and some of it is, Hey, what did the Mariners
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  Speaker 5: hit Againstchooble in the past, and.
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  Speaker 3: They tried to go away from it.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm going to tell you this right now, Terrek
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  Speaker 5: Scouogle's change up is the number one valued pitch in
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  Speaker 5: all of baseball.
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  Speaker 3: You can't take that away. It's the best pitch in baseball.
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  Speaker 3: You still got to throw it. I don't care what
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  Speaker 3: this kind of reports.
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  Speaker 5: So yes, you might lessen it a little bit trying
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  Speaker 5: to do other things, but at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 5: he still got to go with the pitcher strings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really interesting idea to talk about, because
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  Speaker 2: even when you're talking about Nick Pavetta like flipping up
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  Speaker 2: his fastball usage. So part of that was on curves
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  Speaker 2: that move like pavettas the Cubs this year slugged seven
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  Speaker 2: fifty and they saw the most pitches like that all
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  Speaker 2: year in terms of movement and velocity. So yeah, to
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  Speaker 2: some extent, he didn't want to get stuck using the
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  Speaker 2: curveball in any predictive way, you know, in any predictable way,
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  Speaker 2: because then they would they would hit it well, and
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  Speaker 2: they'd shown that, so that was part of flipping over
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  Speaker 2: to the fastball. Now they've also hit the fastball well.
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  Speaker 2: But and he didn't stop using the curveball. To your point,
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  Speaker 2: like it's not you know, he can't. He can't get
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  Speaker 2: through a game without using the curveball. So there is
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  Speaker 2: a tension between your strengths and the opponent's weaknesses. But
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  Speaker 2: I just found it interesting that, like, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: have these advanced scouting you know, plans where people are
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  Speaker 2: like they're going to do this and this, and now
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's being a big rise in self scouting.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I was first turned onto this where
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: a pitcher, a pitching coach was telling me every time
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: my pitchers faced the Dodger, it seems like they're totally
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: ready for our pitching plan. And he's like, I think
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: that they're just really good at self scouting. So they say,
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: how would I get Freddy Freeman out if I was
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: the opposing team? And now I go to Freddy and
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: I say, they're likely to do X, Y and Z
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: because I looked at your numbers and I put together
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: game plan on how to get you out. And so
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Freddy can be like, and you can go to the
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: plate anticipating how they would get him out, So this
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: would be okay. Well, no one's advanced scouting my curveball, Shohatani.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: They're thinking all about the slider and the splitter and
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: the fastball. So the curveball is a wrinkle that I
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: can bring into this game that they probably didn't do
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of scouting around all.
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: Right, last quick one here before September fourteenth, because Trey
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: Savage got called up on September fifteenth. Did anybody see
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: his stuff, his profile, his metrics as being as dominant
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: as he's shown, and if so, what heck did the
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: Jays not call him up before this?
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: You know? I think that's almost I think this fits
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: into our what we're talking about here. I think they
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: didn't want anyone to see him. I think they didn't
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: want I think this was their surprise, and one of
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: the first surprises I remember, Like this is Francisco Rodriguez
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and two being added to the postseason
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: roster and just blowing up the league. Man he had
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: one of the best postseasons of all time, and nobody
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: had seen him before, and it was electric, and nobody
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: had scouting reports. They hadn't stood in against him, and
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: it was obvious. So I think, to some extent, you
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: hide you Savage. The other part is, I mean the
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: stuff metrics always liked him. But what's interesting about your
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Savage is it's so unique. I mean, he's a little
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: bit like Jonah Tong, He's a little bit like Jeremiah Strada.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: These are very over the top, sixty degree arm angle
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: guys with a lot of ride on their fastball. The
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: thing that may see a Savage different is he throws
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: a slider with armside movement. There are only four pitchers
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: in baseball who throw armside movement sliders like that. Dory
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Moretta is one of them. It's not a list of pitchers,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: you know. But that's the thing that separates him is
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: first of all, it's extremely over the top, great ride,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: good vlow, good command on the fastball, really good splitter.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: And then there's just this weird slider you know, that's
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: like backup slider that doesn't look like anything else. So,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: you know, I think he's just really strange. It's probably
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: really uncomfortable. Even if you went and sat in on
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: the traject I don't think that you get the full
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: feeling of somebody that has an extreme arm angle like this.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: That's fallsy because you got to make the playoffs, got
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to win the division, get the buye, do the whole thing.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: So you want a guy up to win games. But hey,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: now you got him, it's your secret weapon.
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: Go for it. You know.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: This was great man. Really appreciate the time. Again, they
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: did talk about you Savage on Rates and Barrels months back.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: That's how I found out about him.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: And you can dial into his articles in The Athletic,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: including the one that we were talking about. A lot
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to get to there. You know, thank you, we'll talk soon.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
• 17:57
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• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Oh you Aj, We're gonna watch you even if we can't.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Right, we have another thought. We were in commercial. I
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: was like, well, I didn't realize this is live. I know, Sorry,
• 18:34
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• 18:37
  Speaker 5: You get MLB obviously in the playoffs because Fox rules
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: MLB playoffs. I think you get Big Noon, which is
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: their big college football show. I don't know if you
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: can get the NFL on there, but yeah, you get games.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Oh well, then how do you not have Fox one?
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: I have Fox One. I watch it all the time.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: I need to watch a game. People are complaining they
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• 18:56
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• 18:56
  Speaker 3: It's easy.
• 19:05
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• 19:08
  Speaker 1: team's not in it, who do you root for? We're
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: going to highlight certain franchises and talk more about the
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: organization and the people around them, and see if you're
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: going to buy into rooting for them. We're going to
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: start with the team that had the best record in
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: baseball this year and they have never put together a
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: World Series title, the Milwaukee Brewers. Aj why should some
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: rogue fans switch allegiances temporarily from a team that's not
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: in it and root for the Brewers the rest of
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Think about this for a second, because their fun at
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: hell to watch, and the crowd is awesome, and they
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: have the craziest manager in the game, crazy like a fox, though,
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: and Pat Murphy says things, does things that are a
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: little bit off base, but his players get them, and
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: if you talk to him, he really knows baseball. Just
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: the way they play kind of an old school baseball.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: And if you're into that, and you're into guys at
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: bunt and guys that take first the third, and guys
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: that can cover ground defensively and good pitching, then the
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: Brewers are your team. And one through nine that there
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: are some of parts over over stars, but for me,
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: they're just a fun team to watch, and Murph and
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: the way he handles it, did you guys see Murph
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: the other day when they scored like nine in the
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: first two, they showed him in the dugout and he
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: just had that little i hate to say this little
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: crap eat and grin where.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: He was just like the first time ever.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: You never see Murph smile during a game, but he
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: just had that little grin and then Craig councils over
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: in his dugout just stress. And so I just think
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: they're a fun team to watch, and Murph is great,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: and you know, they got some gimmicks, but they make
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: them work.
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna say to follow this team because your team
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: is not in the playoffs. Pirates, Reds, your teams are
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: not in the playoffs right now. Cardinals, your teams are
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: not in the playoffs. If you're a small market, you
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: need to follow this team. And this is the team
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: should choose because their organization, year in year out, puts
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: a team out on the field that can win, and
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: then they get behind them as an organization and say, okay,
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: this is what you need, this is what you're good at,
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: and they get the most out of their players. They
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: don't make any more money than any of the other
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: small market teams. They're actually the smallest TV market in
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: baseball until Vegas comes into town. But that's the way
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: that you can get on board with this team. You
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: can get on board with how each of these guys
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: were not necessarily the first pick by other teams. You
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: can get on board with the fact that they got
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: the DFA bullpen. I guess it's not as much this year,
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: but it's a bunch of guys that have been put
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: together and they figured out how to win. Oh and
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: they figured out how to win more than everybody else
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: in Big League Baseball.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: It's a great call. You know who I'm thinking about
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: too in the mix here, Christian Yelich did sign one
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: of those big boy contract. So if you're a fan
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of a small market team and you're like, my team
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: won't sign up my dude for a long period of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: time because my owner's complaining, then you look over at
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Milwaukee and you say, successful, they win games, attendance, because
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: they win games enough money to sign a franchise player,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: And that's Yelich coming over from another team.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: If you get somebody early on like Jackson Curio, who
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: already looks like a star player in our sport at
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: a very young age, then you can wrap them up
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: for a long period of time. I think the Brewers
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: make many other fan bases jealous. Aj they even make
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: big market owners very jealous. Why because then they turn
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: to their front office executives and say, how come they're
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: doing that with this and you guys get all the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: resources and you can't beat them.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: See David Stearns in the Mets at the present moment,
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: Steve going in to send out an apology letter after
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: they didn't make the postseason. By the way, it looks
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: like there's a lot of rooms buying me, it doesn't
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: it with all the doors and also, as Jeremy pointed out,
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: it is the best tailgate city in Major League Baseball.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: I mean they get there.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Hours before the game and they have and if you
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: can just walk outside the stadium, you smell the brats
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: and everything grill burgers on the grill.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: It is a great smell. So they also do that right.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: And they have one of the best logos in the game.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: And they have two mascots. They have Bernie Brewers Slide,
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: but barrel Man gets very underrated as a mascot. Let's
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: not forget barrel Man and what they do there.
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: I want to hit on Yelich because I played with
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: him the year he won the MVP and then they
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: locked him up after that. As a small market organization,
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: you have to you can't miss on these types of signings.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: You can't miss when spending two hundred million dollars on
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: one player. So to me, it's all about how that
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: player is going to act when things are good and
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: when things are bad. And Christian Yelich couldn't be somebody
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: who is more every single day ready to prove that
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: this contract wasn't a fluke. It wasn't a fluke, wasn't
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: somebody something that he shouldn't have gotten. So when your
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: small market doesn't want to lock up a guy like
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: Christian Yelich, you're really you're losing so much value for
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: the organization. Yelly almost feels bad that he got the contract.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: He knows he's a good player, but he almost feels
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: bad that he's getting paid this much and he wants
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: to go out every single day and prove it. When
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: he was hurt, he was like, the worst part is
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: that I'm not out there with the boys. When he
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: wasn't playing well, he was like, you know what, it's okay.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: I'll turn it around because I'm out there every single
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: day and they can see that I'm not one hundred percent,
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: but it means more to be out there every day
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: and playing with the boys. And now he's fully healthy
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: or as fully healthy as Christian Yelich needs to be.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: And he's a freaking lynchpin of that lineup right now,
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: and they all kind of follow suit behind him, and
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: they all he's that leader. That's not that you know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: maybe outward leader that some people think, but in that clubhouse,
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: he sets that tone and he sets that environment.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I'll also give credit to the team for valuing their broadcasters.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: They have some really good broadcast talent and they stick
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: around there clearly for a reason. Brian Anderson, Jeff Levering,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: and the legend in a class of his own, Bob Buker,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: who was a brilliant game caller, a brilliant ambassador of
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: our sport, funny as hell, and look, he spends a
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: good chunk of his life calling Milwaukee Brewer games.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: So there is a lot.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you haven't been to a game out there,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: and I would definitely advise it's it's a really fun experience.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: The people that you're around from a fan base perspective,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: are special, so it makes sense. And it's not like
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: we're just you know, doing the Milwaukee Brewers kool aid
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: drinking session here right now. AJ We're going to do
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: this for some other teams as well. But I think
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: this is so the way to work at things.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Oh and they're easy to work with.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: Mike Vasalo, their their PR guy is great, even though
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: he you know, he doesn't show up sometimes because he
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: had his appendix out, Like come on, Basalo be better
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: than that, right, But you forgot rock there. They're an
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: analysts who's there a lot. He's great to listen to.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: There's just a lot of things that are good. Sophia
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Menner and one of their other you know that that
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: translates for some of the Spanish Spanish players is awesome.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: The people just are really nice when you walk through
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: the ballparking plus, I mean, I mean there is I'm
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: not quite on the crats, you know, full bandwagon with
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: the Brewers, but I will say this, I've got to
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: go down the slide, We've got to run in the
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: sausage race. It's it's a pretty cool place, Milwaukee and
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: the town.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: It's sneaky good.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: If you know where you're going, it is sneaky good.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: I was there last weekend and they were having october Fest.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: And let's just say there might have been some some
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: old beers thrown down by me.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: They have a few of those out there in Milwaukee.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Yep. They got a lot of fests. They got a
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: lot of fests in Milwaukee. Concerts.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: It's a sneaky great music scene too. Everybody goes to
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Milwaukee to do their concert mm hmm.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Sneaky sneaky good golf too, by the way, sneaky good.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Golf for a little longer and then and then no.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm not there in the winner, so I
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: don't really care about this now.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have a great football team. I'm not
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: a big fan of their football team. But the rest
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: If you like this segment, let us know in the comments,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and if you want us to bring up another team
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: in the postseason mix, then we can do that.