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Patriots vs Bears NFL DFS Showdown | TNF Week 7 Showdown Shippers | Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All systems go. Clear your liftoff. What's up everyone. Tyler
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  Speaker 1: Tamblyn here, AKA toe tag and Tambo back for another
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  Speaker 1: We've got Thursday night football. We've got the Patriots at
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  Speaker 1: the bears hoop is with us. Title is out for
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  Speaker 1: this one. He'll be back for cash game countdown. He'll
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  Speaker 1: at 9am Eastern for the main slate, but we got
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  Speaker 1: a fun one here. Hoopster. We got, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: two really good teams. We got a big team, a
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  Speaker 1: big total. We've got a pretty close spread. There is
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of injury news, but none guy out.
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  Speaker 1: dobs hit the ir there's a couple little things here
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  Speaker 1: and there but for the most part man this should
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  Speaker 1: be a really good spot we say that all the
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  Speaker 1: time but i like this one i'll get to it
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  Speaker 1: more in a minute how you doing my friend and
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  Speaker 1: give us your your first thoughts here yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Fun game i mean exciting game to really kick off
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  Speaker 2: week where are we week seven i mean it's uh
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  Speaker 2: you know the big total like you said you have
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  Speaker 2: two quarterbacks that can get the ball down the field
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  Speaker 2: two offenses that have kind of Ben Rowling a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams looked phenomenal coming back from injury. Very effective,
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  Speaker 2: very accurate. All his past catchers become even more appealing
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  Speaker 2: with him back in the mix. Drake May got A.J.
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  Speaker 2: Brown back. A.J. Brown was an absolute disaster last week.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting talking point for this showdown
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  Speaker 2: slate as well. You have multiple running backs on both
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  Speaker 2: sides that we'll be talking about. Very well-rounded fun showdown
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  Speaker 2: slate to kick off a week seven.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's what i like about it you you said
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  Speaker 1: a few things there but you know the the way
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  Speaker 1: it always gets spread on a captain we say but
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  Speaker 1: some of these slates not so much we've seen like
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  Speaker 1: the bijon slates the gibbs slates the ones where it's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more heavy on one guy or a
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  Speaker 1: couple positions this is you know drake may pick a
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  Speaker 1: running back if you want a.j brown if you want
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  Speaker 1: to pick some of the cheaper guys hunter henry Other side,
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  Speaker 1: you got Burden, Odunze, Caleb, Swift with Domanungai, Loveland. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of different captain options on this slate. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that makes it exciting. And then if you
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  Speaker 1: do get that back and forth game going down the stretch,
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  Speaker 1: it can be quite a bit of fun as well.
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  Speaker 1: We'll let some people file in. Definitely some good news,
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  Speaker 1: you know, off the top. Those Chig prop overs. Thanks, Hoop.
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  Speaker 1: That was all you said in the first quarter. I
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  Speaker 1: think he had 29. First catch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was actually I was. I was somewhat tilted
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  Speaker 2: because I don't know if you recall, I was watching
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  Speaker 2: the game and it was the first catch went for
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  Speaker 2: like 20, I think it was like 25 yards, but
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  Speaker 2: then they had determined that he stepped out of bounds
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  Speaker 2: and they brought it back like five.
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  Speaker 3: So it only was, I think ended up being like
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  Speaker 3: a 19 yard catch, I believe about a hundred percent
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  Speaker 3: sure on that. But I was like, oh man, like
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  Speaker 3: if he, if he goose eggs us the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the way, but man, that was like easy, no sweat.
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  Speaker 2: Like you could tell he was going to be heavily involved.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see if we can find another one tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Or an injury, too, I'll say. Because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people were like, oh, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: It was over before that.
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  Speaker 1: It happened before that.
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  Speaker 2: It was over before that. It was happening no matter what.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll hop right into it. Let's get, as usual,
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  Speaker 1: your grand scheme overview. We talked about a little bit
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  Speaker 1: off the top, at least about these two teams and
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  Speaker 1: how they play. Both quarterbacks can chuck it. Chicago could
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  Speaker 1: give up the long ball. You've got Drake May who
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  Speaker 1: could run it. Caleb Williams can run it. No Menungai,
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  Speaker 1: no Dobbs, lots of options. What's sort of your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: of how this game actually plays out here tonight? Big total,
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  Speaker 1: close spread, but what do you see happening in this one?
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  Speaker 1: How are you going to think about this when you're
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people are going to look at this and assume we
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  Speaker 2: have a high scoring game, bat back and forth offense.
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  Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I'm thinking here. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you have the Bears, their offense looked amazing against the
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  Speaker 2: Falcons last week. And, you know, the Falcons haven't been
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  Speaker 2: a complete shitty team. Like they were legit and their
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  Speaker 2: defensive looked pretty good before last week. And Chicago just
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  Speaker 2: rolled right through them. I just think Ben Johnson is
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  Speaker 2: an absolute genius on offense. And I, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think they're almost matchup proof where they're going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to score against anyone. So I think this is
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  Speaker 2: going to be high scoring game. And as we saw
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  Speaker 2: last week with the bears, like they'll let teams right
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  Speaker 2: back in it. I mean, they were absolutely murdering the Falcons.
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  Speaker 2: And then before you know it, two touchdowns quick, and
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: then it's a one score game. So it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: what you want when you're building for an offensive shootout
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  Speaker 2: sort of game. And, I think that's the case tonight.
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  Speaker 2: And the nice thing is both offenses, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: more so on the bear side, a lot of different
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  Speaker 2: ways it can go. We'll talk about the Patriots side
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  Speaker 2: because it's probably a little more condensed, a little fewer options,
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  Speaker 2: less options in terms of who you think can be
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  Speaker 2: the ceiling performer. But, you know, I'm building this like
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be a shootout. I'm excited for this game.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the Patriots looked like, you know, the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: got past their early season struggles. I mean, week one,
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  Speaker 2: week two, they looked awful. They've turned it around. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably just a little rust from not
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  Speaker 2: really giving it the full go in the preseason. But
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  Speaker 2: they're a very capable offense. And Drake Mays looked great
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  Speaker 2: the last couple weeks. And he's got A.J. Brown back.
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  Speaker 2: And I think A.J. Brown is a very important talking
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  Speaker 2: point on this slate that we'll get to. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure we're going to touch on when we get to captain.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about him. when we get to
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  Speaker 2: the pass catchers as well, but I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: I'm building this as a, as a shootout. Like, and
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what we ended up seeing here tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that call quite a bit. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's obvious that, you know, that could be the possibility here,
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  Speaker 1: but the, but the fact that you have all these
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  Speaker 1: options to go with the one thing I will add,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'll get to you for the captains is
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  Speaker 1: just that there's a lot of captains that can be
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  Speaker 1: used up top tonight. I'm thinking people will be spreading
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  Speaker 1: it out more than usual, right? They won't be fully
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  Speaker 1: comfortable with just using the quarterbacks. So quarterbacks look to
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  Speaker 1: be the highest owned right now, you could see some
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  Speaker 1: AJ Brown steam. I think a lot of people recognize
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  Speaker 1: and have seen the, you know, what is it like
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  Speaker 1: a nine box people built of like all the balls
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  Speaker 1: that were thrown his way. And then how crazy three
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  Speaker 1: of those drops were and what could have been and
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  Speaker 1: all these different factors. So we saw it on the
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  Speaker 1: last slate where Kittle steamed up. I think it could
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  Speaker 1: be here where we see Brown steam up just a little,
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  Speaker 1: only 13, five in the captain. I think people feel
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  Speaker 1: a lot more comfortable with, with him than say a
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  Speaker 1: Luther burden at 12, six, or, you know, even the,
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: the Loveland hunt Henry stuff, they're just below 10 K
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  Speaker 1: for tight ends. But I do think we'll see some
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  Speaker 1: ownership on them, but I think it'll be more AJ Brown.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously Swift is going to be popular Caleb and Drake Bay,
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  Speaker 1: but not many people, I think just based on how
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  Speaker 1: it spreads out, who will build for five ones as
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  Speaker 1: often as they probably should here for either side, you
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  Speaker 1: could see a game where one team, rolls the other it's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not built that way into the spread,
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  Speaker 1: but I like building a little bit for that on
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  Speaker 1: this slate because you have enough options on both sides
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  Speaker 1: to do it. But the fact there's enough options on
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  Speaker 1: both sides typically makes people build those four twos and
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  Speaker 1: three threes quite a bit more. And yeah, they'll look
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  Speaker 1: really good on paper and fit and fill out the salary.
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  Speaker 1: But if you went after one side or the other here,
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  Speaker 1: I think it would be a pretty good idea just
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  Speaker 1: to have some of those in your portfolio, depending on
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  Speaker 1: how many lineups you got. So Um, let's talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go back to you and we'll talk about the
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  Speaker 1: captains for a second. How, how are you sort of
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  Speaker 1: formulating your captain pool and who are the guys that
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  Speaker 1: stand out most for you?
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  Speaker 2: So I think, you know, first off, like, I think
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  Speaker 2: AJ Brown is a pretty big talking point on this
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  Speaker 2: slate because, okay, he came back last week and he
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  Speaker 2: looked like shit. He had some pretty bad drops, right?
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  Speaker 2: That's like the, that was the main takeaway from last week.
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  Speaker 2: So let's say, let's just reverse that and say, AJ
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  Speaker 2: Brown came back and he looked great last week, seven catches,
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  Speaker 2: 120 yards. and a touchdown sitting at 9k. What sort
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  Speaker 2: of ownership do you see on AJ Brown? Assuming he
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  Speaker 2: has that big game last week, he's probably the highest
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  Speaker 2: owned guy on the slate and the captain spot, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like it would be right there. He'd probably be close
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  Speaker 2: to like 20%. Now he might be a little higher
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  Speaker 2: than we're showing right now. And maybe the price would
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  Speaker 2: also be a little bit higher if he's coming off
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  Speaker 2: the big game, but probably not just because this stuff
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  Speaker 2: comes out so early. So I'm viewing this as a
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  Speaker 2: multi-layer discount on A.J. Brown if you can overlook what
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  Speaker 2: happened last week. Because to me, I think he's the
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  Speaker 2: best captain on the slate. Like he's the guy that
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  Speaker 2: I want to have. Again, you have to look past
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  Speaker 2: what happened last week because it was bad. He had
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  Speaker 2: a couple alligator arm catch miss drops. Basically, it was
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  Speaker 2: it was bad. I'm willing to overlook it. I think
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  Speaker 2: this guy is way more talented than what he showed
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  Speaker 2: last week. Definitely it looked rusty. He's dying. He's just
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: by far and away my favorite. I just think this,
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  Speaker 2: when you factor all this in, it just seems like
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  Speaker 2: the nuke spot for, for AJ Brown. I think they're
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  Speaker 2: going to make an effort to get him going tonight.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, AJ Brown is going to be in a,
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  Speaker 2: in a tier of his own. I'm just, I'm, it's
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  Speaker 2: like a gut feeling sort of thing. I just think
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  Speaker 2: he he's the guy tonight. So, Absolutely love him up top.
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  Speaker 2: I hope the ownership stays reasonable, and I think it
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  Speaker 2: will because we have so many other options. We have
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: the quarterbacks. We have running backs. We have other pass catchers.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: So there's no way it gets to a crazy, crazy amount.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: So for me, A.J. Brown, both quarterbacks for sure in play.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: You know, Caleb looked phenomenal last week. Drake May has
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: had a monster game. He had, like, what, the 40
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: fantasy point game, multiple rushing touchdowns. Both those guys I
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: want some exposure to up top. DeAndre Swift is the
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: next guy that's getting quite a bit of ownership. I
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: think I am going to end up spreading it out
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: a little bit. To me, I'm going to make a
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: big move on A.J. Brown, and I do want exposure
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: to a lot of these guys. I know some people
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: are going to be a little bit worried about Rashawn
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Johnson getting all that work last week. I think it
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: was– it might have been like 12 carries. I want
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: to verify that before– yeah, 13. So you got 13.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: But the one thing to remember with Johnson is this
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: game was– kind of over in the third quarter it
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: was like 31 to 7 it was a massive blowout
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: so that's when this guy got a majority of his
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: work and then the game tightens back up and then
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: you see Swift back on the field like they were
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: getting their starters out of the way so I don't
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: have much worry in terms of workload for DeAndre Swift
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: I think he's a phenomenal play then you have the
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: pass catchers for Chicago Burden Loveland and even Odunze who
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: has to come in at low ownership up here he's
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: kind of been the the fourth wheel, especially essentially in
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: this offense after Swift, after Burden, after Loveland, you have
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: a dunes, but he's still getting a lot of work,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of opportunity. He's going to be a low
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: owned Hunter Henry, tomorrow Douglas, you know, if you're looking
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: for even more stretch here a little bit, but I
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily love it. Like AJ Brown, then I want
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: good ownership on, you know, both quarterbacks Burden and, Loveland
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: and Odunza is kind of where I'm going to be focused.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: And then maybe again, if I'm looking to bring in
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: a couple more, it'd be Hunter Henry and DeMario Douglas
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: with Romeo Dobbs out. You know, we really haven't talked
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: about that, but that is big. It's another reason why
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I do like AJ Brown, you know, more than the
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: field because, you know, Romeo Dobbs out. So yeah, a
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: lot of different ways to go, but for me, like
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown is going to be a big time priority
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: And just for clarity, because I think on the last
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: run you did of sort of running them out there,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: where did Swift end up?
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in there, like, I think it's A.J. Brown
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: and then probably the quarterbacks and then Swift, Burden, Loveland. Yeah, okay.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: He's going to be in that group with the Bears
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: pass catchers, I'd say.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think we're pretty close. You know, I'm
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: going to have a couple of different thoughts there for sure.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: But I think, cause I think I have Swift ahead
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks. Look, both quarterbacks can do their thing tonight.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: You know, Drake may looks pretty good if I'm going,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: you know, he's an underdog here, but again, when I'm
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: building him in the cap that I'm building for the Patriots.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I do think Swift has a chance to be come
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: down a little bit. You know, we have, well, we
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: have like right around 15. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if that number is a little
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: bit lower and we'll see, but. there's just too many
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: guys that look appealing for, I think for him to
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: get a crazy high number, maybe it does end up
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: being 15, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: little bit lower than that.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a home running back. There's still no
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Manung guy. People are expecting it to be good there,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: but look, he, even if he gets up to 15,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: we've still got them in a pretty good spot based
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: on our stuff over at Shippenation using the stone, the
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: optimal rates, the data-driven simulations to try and figure it out.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of, something I'm thinking about here,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: but I like Swift probably ahead of those other guys. Look,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks both can spread it out, but I feel
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: like the way the lineups are going to build themselves out.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Like you mentioned to Mario Douglas, pop Douglas, people like
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: playing him. If you're, if you're not going to be
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: on AJ Brown up top, but you still think they're
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: going to be able to beat that secondary with the
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: long ball. As most people know, they have been beaten
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: that way. Then guys like him could pop up. You know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it could fall into a Drake may captain lineup. So
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: what I'm building for those, I'll have that in there.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: but to your point on aj brown even some people
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: said like they're out on him already and if he
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: does well they'll just take the l and move on
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: it's like opportunity is what matters so much more to
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: me what you talked about and then his opportunities technically
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: should stay the same or get better when dobbs goes
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: out that's the whole point here so to me got
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: to give him a break on that game and look
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: even if he goes up a little i'm fine.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah i mean again the main point to Assuming you
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: think A.J. Brown is still A.J. Brown of the past,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and maybe you don't, and that's fine. That's when you
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: can make the case to be out on him. I
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: think he's still A.J. Brown of the past. I still
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: think he's a guy that can go out there and
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: make contested catches that can put up multiple touchdowns in
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: a game. So if you think he's still that player,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: this is the ideal spot you're getting him at. lower
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: ownership than he would be. Even if he had a
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: mediocre game, even if he had a mediocre game last week,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: if he was six for a hundred and didn't even
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: find the end zone, like all the talking points around
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown from last week is how horribly was all
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the drops and rightfully so he was horrible and he
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: had some really bad drops, but I still think this
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: is AJ Brown. I still think he can be an
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: elite wide receiver in the league. And if you believe
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: that you should be going and making an overweight play
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: on AJ Brown tonight.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I agree. And the other part of it, too, is
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: like there's nothing wrong with him. Like he just had
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: a bad game. It reminds me of in the golf
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: streets during the playoffs this year when like Rory had
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a bad week and was like, yeah, I didn't. really
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: practice much. Like, oh, well then there's no way he
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: could play. He could play good next week. Like one
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: of the best golfers in the world can come back
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and have a good week. I'm not putting AJ Brown
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: in his territory as much as saying, it's like what
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: happened last week has nothing to do with this week.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: If anything, his situation might've only got better. Chicago can
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: definitely give up The long ball, that could be him.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: It could be Douglas. It could be Kyle Williams. It
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: could be Efton Chisholm. We'll get to these guys. We'll
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: go to wide receiver by position. But the point being,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: it can be A.J.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Brown.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: It most certainly can be a repeat of last week.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Just only a magic trick this week. He catches them
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: instead of missing them. It's like, there you go.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I think there's, like, after last week's performance, I mean,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: they obviously are going to want to get him going.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I think he gets forced. I mean, to me, just
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: everything points in his direction. The matchup is very, very good.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: You have the wide receiver to out with an injury
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: coming off a dud where the, the, the consensus thoughts
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: on him is that, you know, maybe he's washed, right.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Or did something along those lines or is not the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: same AJ Brown. Just to me, everything is, is pointing
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: in his direction tonight. And like, yeah, if you don't
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: believe it, then I think this is where you take
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the stance. If you don't buy into it, then fade
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: his ass. Like, but if you do, Think this is
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: still A.J. Brown like this. This is a spot to
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: load up and make a move and go overweight the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: field on a guy that in the past has been
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: absolutely elite wide receiver with a shitty quarterback and Jalen
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Hurts throwing him the football. Drake May is much better
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: than Jalen Hurts.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: So, yeah. A couple other guys that I'll say, just
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: because all the common ones are the same. I do
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: like Loveland quite a bit. He's still popping. But the
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: ones that stood out for me, the two guys up
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the middle here that are interesting just from just a
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: game theory leverage perspective, because it kind of mixes every angle,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: is Burden and Odunze. Both those guys in this spot.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It's like we've got both quarterbacks. Well, anything that they
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: do could help Caleb for sure. But if it's them
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: instead of Caleb, that matters, but it's more so their
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: pricing like burden. The third is right underneath AJ Brown. Uh,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: you know, he's still a good number underneath Swift, but
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: not too far that you can't get to Swift. So
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I think he's in an interesting spot. And then I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: also think Odunze and obviously our stuff over at Ship
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: and Nation thinks both of those guys could be up
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: top as well. But I think those ownership projections look
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: pretty good on them for accuracy wise and And so
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I think those guys could be a little bit more
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: involved than people think. I know they're always scared to
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: like see gone and all that. Like there's so many
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: things could happen on a defense, any given game. It's
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: one game. It's one slate. I want to try and
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: adapt for that. And I'm looking for your leverage. If
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: it's not a quarterback, it's not AJ Brown and it's
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: not Swift. Well, then that's to me where it could
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: land next. So I like, Loveland, Burden, Odunze, a little
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: bit more than trying to pick off the other Patriots
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: guys in like Henry, Douglas, Chisholm, Williams, the running backs there,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: all of that. So I think for me right now, again,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: initial look at it, but I would say it's probably
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: AJ Brown, Swift. Then it's, you know, those guys that
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: fit in the middle, like Loveland, Burden, Odunze, kind of
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: equal to the quarterbacks and then whatever else falls in
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the pool. And that way I'll get Overweight on A.J. Brown,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: overweight on Swift, overweight on Burden, Odunze, and Loveland. And
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm equal on the quarterbacks, but I just build
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: them in a bit of a different way. And then
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I'm still good there. But I want the overweights on
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: those other five guys that I talked about. So anything
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: else you want to talk about in the captain position?
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one little shift now, just looking at this and
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: assuming everything kind of stays on this level. But seeing
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Loveland with a cheap price tag, right? I mean, to me,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the price tag looks cheap. Uh, he is 6,400, uh,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: kind of just assume that he'd be higher owned in
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the cap. If he's only coming in at like 5%,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I absolutely love him. Uh, up top, you can do
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: so much with your lineup by playing a guy like
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Loveland up there that does have the slate breaking upside
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: that did have a big game last week. It could
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: have been even bigger. Um, so yeah, I'm, I'm definitely
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: in on Loveland. I'm going to bump him up quite
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: a bit, um, in terms of where I am to
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the field.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Our guy, Billy G. Billy G. Got them numbers. He
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: got it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Look at these numbers, though. Coker, Watson, Golden, even Dotson
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: went for 87 in a TD last week. He says, yeah, A.J.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Brown.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: So we'll see. said AJ Brown tonight, the equivalent to
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a good putter who lost strokes one round and we
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: smash them for next round. Showdown. Good way to look
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: at it. It's very, I mean, to me that it's
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: what makes sense, but also when we're weeks removed or
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: say a week removed it for some reason, NFL doesn't
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: always go that way, right? Like people don't think about
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it like that. It's like, we're on a whole nother world,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: even though it's last week's game and this week's game
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: on a short week, it could just be, they need them,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: get them involved. Tons of openings ways to go there. So, Um,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: like it quite a bit, uh, for me going into
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the quarterback position, who've just talking about it quickly from
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: like the flex perspective, obviously, if I'm equal to them
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: or somewhere in that range, maybe even underweight up top,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: it'll be a lot more in the flex for me,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: but all the guys that you heard me talking about,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: besides maybe Swift, you don't need to have a Caleb
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Williams in the, in the flex, but maybe that's where
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you've got, uh, you know, may coming back the other way.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But for me, mostly that's where you're going to find them.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And obviously when I'm high on AJ Brown, burden, Odunze, Loveland,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: guys like that, their quarterback is typically going to land
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: in the flex spot for me. So I'll be using
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: them a lot in the flex, just not as much
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: up top. Do you have anything else just at quarterback
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: as a whole or in general? Yeah.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're just both strong, high floor sort of plays.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Both will run it both. I mean, two of the
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: better fantasy quarterbacks overall. So whatever you can get, you
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: can get them in there.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'll use that to tie into the running back
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: conversation anyway, because I guess my, the biggest question of
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the slate, obviously, if you think this way, you can
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: build this way. That's possible as well. But is, is
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: what do you think about the chances here of Vrabel saying,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: you know, let's just mess with these guys and just
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: run all day, try our best to just run all day.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Go at Ben Johnson that way and his plan and say,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: we're going to try and do it this way. Obviously,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you can throw all over the Bears. They should try
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and start there, you'd think. Look at the numbers Billy
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: just posted in the chat stat. But it's like, nobody
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: wants these running backs at all. Like, you're seeing... Maybe
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: 35% total ownership on Ramondre Stevenson and not much on Henderson.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: And Kiner got a lot of work last week, but
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: it was also remember Henderson was coming back off of
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a questionable status. So I don't know. Start with these
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Patriots past running backs and take me into the other
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: running backs on the other side. But it's really hard
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: to work through this and think about how best to
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: do it on this slate.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for the Patriots running backs, I mean, I just–
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a world where that's going to
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: be their game plan. And, you know, if it is,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: then kind of move on to start looking at the
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: main slate or something like that because I'm not doing
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: it with these Patriots guys. Like, when the good coach
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: speak about the running back room is the third string
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: running back from last week. He said– you know, they
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: asked Vrabel, like, why do you play him so much?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: He said he's running– basically says he is running harder
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: than the other guys Like, that's not good for anyone.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: So now there's definitely three guys that are going to
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: be involved. There's no way Connor goes from, what do
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: you have, 12? I think it was like 12 attempts.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: We looked it up pre-show. 12 rush attempts. 11 in
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: what ended up being a pretty close game with the Jets. Like,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the Jets made it within one score. He was out there.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I just, I'm not messing with Ramondre Stevenson. I'm not
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: going to be messing with Travion Henderson. Stevenson at 7,800
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: really has to do something. Travion Henderson at 5,800 has
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: to do something. And then Kiner at 1,400 only has
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to do a little bit. So for me, my favorite
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: is definitely Kiner. And he's the lowest owned, and he's
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the cheapest. So the Patriots running back is easy for me.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I'd even potentially fade these guys. Way under on Stevenson,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: way under on Henderson. And give me, give me kinder
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: 11 carries in what was a pretty competitive game and
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: good coach talk.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I'm in on him. The Chicago stuff.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: You're good. I wanted you to keep going. I was
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: hoping you would. Yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: So for Chicago, yeah, we kind of already talked about Swift.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Like I think that split what last week between Swift
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: and Johnson is not all that true. I mean, that
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: game was essentially a blowout. They're up by three scores.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: They're probably 24. I believe I think it was like 20.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: It was like 31 to seven. I want to say
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Johnson starts getting some work. Like then Atlanta keeps scoring
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: and it gets a little closer. Swift comes back in.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: So competitive game Swift is going to be out there
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: way more than Johnson. So I'm a little hesitant on Johnson,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: but definitely still going to play him at 4,400. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: how I will rank these guys, Swift one kinder to Johnson,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: three and then not all that interested in Stevenson or Henderson.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I was trying to look it up to see, I
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: got most of it here so I can give it,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: but so of the 11 carries that kinder got eight
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of them were in third quarter, the clock killing drive
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: at the very end of the game. Okay. Now it
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: was a close game. Like you said, and then I
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: was trying to look it up further and it, you know, they,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: it does, there is articles and coach speak and things
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: like that on it saying that Um, you know, variable
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: lets his running backs know it was a bit of a,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: ball security punishment, things like that. So he used Kiner
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to signal his displeasure with the top two backs not
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: really coming through for him. So they did do that.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: But just of note, like a lot of people will
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: see 1411 carries and say the projection looks low or
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: whatever it might be. It's like eight of them did have.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Could that happen today? It could happen again for sure.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Or it could just be one play is all it takes.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: And he does a great, great job with it. But
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: just so you guys know, when you see it out there,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: when you're thinking about it, that is a little bit
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: of a stat nugget for you or a tidbit, if
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: you will, for that one. Roshan on the other side
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: was getting some action, but he's $ 3, 000 more. Obviously, they
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: have no Manung guy. It could be a situation there
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: where they're upwards because of the running backs or whatever
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: it might be. So just build accordingly with your builds.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: But I think you could definitely play multiple of either
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: of the running backs on either side. You could play Romandre. um,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: with Kiner, you can play Henderson with Kiner. You can
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: play Swift with Johnson. Like I'd be building more for
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: those bloats that I talked about or lineups that feature
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: both of those guys as sort of getting all the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: work done. But for me, um, you know, not as
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: much interest, like you said, on the Patriot side, nobody
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: really does on this slate. So just build accordingly with that,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: but definitely high interest in Swift. Um, we'll get some,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Roshan in there as well. But again, it's just depending
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: on the script that you're building for, but much, much
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: higher on Swift than anybody else. And really it's just
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the dynamics of the slate. A lot of people are
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: on Swift as well. It's just how much versus what
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: they maybe should be versus the field or how they're building.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I do like the bear side here and I like the,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the Swift option. So I'm going to be mostly rolling
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: with him. Um, anything else for you on the running back?
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: So you want to talk about anything on those stats
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: and stuff?
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I had to sneeze. No, I mean, and in regard,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: anyone you're not playing, we're at the first position, not
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: playing those Patriots guys. Like I have no interest in
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Stevenson or Henderson. And again, like the little people look
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: at it and say, oh, well, they're not really all
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: that owned. Well, that ownership adds up on showdown. It
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: definitely adds up quickly. Stevenson, we're showing 30, Henderson, 12.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: So that's, 40 some percent right there. So, I mean, yeah, like, uh,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't like those guys at all. Uh,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: so good. Come close to a fade.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I don't care about this stuff either. Better than any
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: time touchdown. Like, you know, we, we talk about this
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: all the time, like six weeks in when there's been
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: injuries and things like that. Like, I just don't care
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: about that at all. If it happens, it happens. But, uh,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the other stuff you posted was much more useful. That'd
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: be one that just doesn't matter to me.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: So, um, you know, if I, if I, I do
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: like the guy. I mean, do you like the Connor play?
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: He's going to go into the pool because he's 1400 bucks. So,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: but I'm saying, yeah, like I think that's the man.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I love everything he does. I talk about him all
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: the time on here and when he puts his comments
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: in and sometimes we agree and don't, but I'm not
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: playing kinder at 1400 cause he has the most red
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: zone touches so far on the season.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: And I'm playing him cause he's 1400.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: And he'll land in the lineups that he lands in
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: because those lineups tell a story of how he could
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: get there and be involved. That's all. Yeah. icing on
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the cake or bonus on top, if he gets any
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: of that, great. But for me, yeah, we'll have to
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: wait and see how these lineups shake out. But yeah,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. And I also think the, you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the main point I would say who just totally separate,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: who else? Like, I will say when we get there, I,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: we're segwaying to it anyway, so I'll start, but Like,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I don't love Zabion Thomas. We've played Jadae Walker in
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the past. I mean, that can fit into your lineup
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: if you want somebody different. But I think the ones
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: for me in that price range are more like Kemet
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: when we get to tight end, Raritan when we get
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: to tight end. And then, honestly, where we're at right now,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: like Kyle Williams. It's going to go from A.J.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Brown.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: No, wait. It's Bob Douglas. No, actually... It's a, you know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: it's a bird. It's a plane. No, it's Kyle Williams.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: And that's what it is.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: So, and I've even heard people talk about Efton Chisholm
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: already and he's 2,800. So it's kind of like falling
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: right in the middle there. So obviously we like AJ
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Brown the most. I, I prefer the next guys up
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to be burden and Odunze one of the, like whoever
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: it is, one or the other, I think it's going
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: to be. one of them. So I'm excited about that
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: going to my lineups and then pop Douglas. But when
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I am punting and I don't even love the Patriots
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: running backs at all, or that much anyway, to start with,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I'm much more likely to say it's, you know, Kyle
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Williams gets loose. in the, in the secondary or something
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: like that and play that as an option. Again, depending
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: on what story your lineups are telling, where does, where
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: does kinder make sense might not be the place where
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams makes sense. So that's how I'm thinking about it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: What do you, what about you at wide receiver?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with, you know, pretty much all that.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown. I mean, we don't need to stroke him anymore.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, we both have done a phenomenal job in
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: regards to that. We know if you watched any portion
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: of the show, you know, that we love him tonight. Uh,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Definitely in on Burden, I think Adunze is interesting and
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: has a chance to have his ownership come down a
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: little bit. $ 7, 400 is that kind of awkward price point.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: He's definitely the fourth guy when you think of the
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: skill positions in terms of who you want to be on.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: People are going to want to be on Burden over him, Loveland,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Swift over him. I like Adunze quite a bit in
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: these large field GPPs. I think the ownership could come
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: down with you on Pop Douglas. And then you have
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of cheap guys that I think are good
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: plays individually. And then even better plays when you're playing
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: like the captain quarterback stuff, specifically with Drake May, Kyle Williams, Chisholm.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: And you can play these guys without, you know, Drake
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: May in the captain. I just think they're better suited
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: for those sort of lineups where you're hoping Drake May
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: spreads it out a little bit. So Kyle Williams, Chisholm,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I think both, fine options. They're involved in this offense.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: They're going to be out there. Kalief Raymond is fine
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: at 3,400. Didn't do a ton last week, but I
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: don't mind the Xavier on Thomas play, but that would
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: be definitely more specific to Caleb Williams' captain teams. I
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: think he's fine at 1,200. I think he got some
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: action last week. I mean, when you're talking a $ 1, 200 player,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: three for three. So three targets, three catches. 25 yards
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: like he has big play upside he could break something
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: off so I'm going to be in on you know
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: all these wide receivers for the most part like you
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: know I'm making my stance at the running back position
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: being lighter on those Patriots guys and I agree with
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: you in in terms of Kiner I prefer these cheap
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: wide receivers definitely over over Kiner there's no doubt about
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: it like I kind of made the case for the
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: case I guess I was making for Kiner was more
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: so a fade of remandre stevenson and travion henderson opposed
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: to like a full-on endorsement of him i prefer these
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: pass catchers over him.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: For sure agreed yeah that's that's where i was at
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: with it and i think like you said the you
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: just nailed like a couple things i always talk about
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that i i get excited for from the process standpoint
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: is like how you're building it matters so much more
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: and you know a great one would be the bear
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: side you know i said it earlier obviously you know
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: people look at that bear secondary and and you know
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: everything they've got with Gonzalez, things like that. And they
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: say like, okay, it's probably not going to be both
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: of these guys. Most Caleb Williams lineups will probably have burden, right?
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: And as you know, sorry, Caleb Williams, captain lineups will
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: have burden in them. If you skip burden and go
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to Odunze and Xavion Thomas, you are just so different already,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: even with a popular captain. And I say so different in,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: you know, lightly, obviously there's other people that are going
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: to do the exact same thing, but you have three
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: other spots to get different with. You're not on all
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the same stuff. And then what is your composition? Is
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: that a five one with a random run back that
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: less people are on? Like you got to think about
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the whole lineup. And obviously when you have an optimizer
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: doing it for you, it's going to take some of
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: these things into consideration as well. But I'm talking to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: those who are out there, you know, thinking, Hey, I
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: love Caleb Williams at the captain. I like all these
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: pass catchers, but I'm thinking about a way to get
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: different without being completely stunned and like, you know, just
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: doing something stupid. Well, that would be an opportunity to
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: do something like that. We say, Hey, I'm going to
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: skip one of his top wide receivers and go to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: these guys instead. And maybe Loveland fits in there, whatever
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: it looks like. And then it's him hitting a bunch
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: of pass catchers, but now it's different on this build
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and it's different on the run back and all these
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: different things. But again, Xabion Thomas is a guy that, again,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: it's one of those guys, you know, all the preseason
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: articles of like him and Skylar Bells of the world
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: and these breakout wide receivers. Well, sometimes it takes longer
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: than expected to break out, right? It might not be,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: you know, early in the season or right away, but
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: it could be a thing. So on the other side,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Chisholm is, it's like a flop leg that's not really
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: flop leg. I just know a lot of people have
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: been talking about it for the last couple of weeks
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: of like building confidence with Drake May and, He's going
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: to pop at some point and all this stuff that
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: seemingly never works out. But if there was a slate
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to do it, you know, it would be on a
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: showdown slate at a weird price of 2,800 in the flex.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: We know how to build with him. It'd be like
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: a Drake May captain or something like that, where he's a,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you know, you have a swift captain with Drake May
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: coming back the other way and you pick him as
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: one of the pass catchers. I think Chisholm Williams, those
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: guys are interesting at those price tags, but Chisholm is
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: in like a no man's land. for the price tag
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it's like more than raritan more than comet less than
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: all the other guys that you would expect like khalif
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: raymond and um you know the 3k 4k 5k guys
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that type of thing he's just sitting there at 2800
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: so i think he's a little bit interesting from different
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: guys on the teams that we've already talked about so
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: he'd be uh he'd be my one that stood out
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: from brown pop Burden and Odunze, the most four popular guys.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: So anything else you want to talk about at wide receiver?
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: If not, you can take us into tight end. We've
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: got Loveland, Komet, Henry, our boy Raritan. We were right
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: on to start the season, but that's tight.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Boy.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: He's not here with us today. So what are we thinking?
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: We already talked about Loveland. I love Loveland. I think
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: he's a phenomenal play. Great, great, great price tag. Very
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: slow start to the season, but you know, got things
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: going last week. you know, he caught the touchdown. So yes,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: six for 65 touchdown. I think like that's going to
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: be more of the expectation. The price is too cheap and,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: you know, he's got decent ownership, but it's not anything crazy.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: It's not like, you know, 40, 50%, probably around 30,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: low 30. So I think he's a great option sticking
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: with the bear side. You know, Cole Komet's out there
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: a lot. Like he's on the field. I think, did
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: he have a touchdown or it might've been, close to
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: touchdown or one call back or something last week. Like
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: he is out there in key spots. He had two
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: catches for three yards. I know he's either close to
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: touchdown or had one call back. Uh, great for Caleb Williams,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: captain teams, uh, Hunter Henry, you know, gets a boost
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: as well. You know, a lot of people, when a
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: wide receiver goes out, they're just kind of thinking, right.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Who are the other wide receivers? Uh, he gets a
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: boost at, at 62. And then our guy, Rairdon continues
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: to be out there and getting red zone looks for sure.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: And has a cheap price tag. So, probably better for
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Drake May captain teams. We got three targets last week,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: five the week before, like he's involved in this offense
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: every single week. And at his price point, if one
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: of his catches is a touchdown, you're probably going to
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: need him on the slate. So a lot of good options,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: you know, Loveland for sure is my number one. But
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I like these other guys too. And like Raritan and
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Komet are definitely better suited for the quarterback sort of
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: captain teams like Raritan for, Drake may captain and commit
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: for Caleb Williams captains, but want to definitely keep them
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: in the pool. Yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I really also want London, uh, or sorry, I was
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: going to say something with London in a second, Drake London,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: that is who let a lot of people down last week,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: myself included, but of Loveland, you know, Loveland and the captain,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the other ones, like you said, perfectly placed with, you know,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the setup of either with their quarterback in the captain,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: or if it's, you know, like a swift captain, I
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: keep using this one, but like, if it's a swift captain,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: you could play Drake May with Henry on the run back,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: like just high floor potential for some numbers in a
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: back and forth game with May. But then you've had,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you've got Henry there as a guy that he's throwing to,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: or something like that. I'd be fine with, but, The
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Loveland spot that I was going to talk about was
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: that game last week. A lot of us were on
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: the Chicago stacks with London and or Bijan on the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: opposite side. And that's why I mentioned Drake London, you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: let some people down. So did Caleb though, but really
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: it was these guys. It was Loveland that let them
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: down the most. I don't know if you remember this,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: but Loveland had the early touchdown and then he was
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: wide open for a second touchdown and dude runs like
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: he needs to catch it out of bounds and do
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: a toe tap. He's there's no one in sight. He
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: could stand like a statue.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was horrible. That was horrible. And then it
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: gets changed. There was no one by him, and he's
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: going full sprint to the sideline. I mean, it was insane.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like Usain Bolt. Yeah, like insane and Usain Bolt
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: double down. It was like this.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Guy was running. Yeah, I remember that play. My best
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: team had long ones, so I was rooting for touchdown, too.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: It's like, what in the world are you doing? Like,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that's just like.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: It killed the whole momentum of the game. Like everything
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: after that was just like run, run, run. Caleb was
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: shut down. Like Caleb was trying to throw touchdowns and
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: make this thing happen. That happened. But anyway, the point is,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I think he can get open. We know that we
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: just saw him could have had two, if not one,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: it doesn't look like people.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Are tilted, man. You just, I, that was, I just
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: forgot about that until you just brought it back up.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: And I, now I remember how freaking annoyed I was
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: by that play. I can't get out of my head now.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: That was horrible. That was horrible. Like there's nobody by you.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Where are you going, bro? Like, where are you going
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: without the football?
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, you can set, these guys are professionals, Josh,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: you're the man. You're always here supporting. We appreciate you,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't know.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Like it doesn't matter though. But if you keep running, like,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: where are you going to go? You don't have the football, man.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Like you're just going to.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Run out of nobody on your ass. And you just
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: stand like, he was like, man, it was just, there
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: was so much momentum. I don't know what he was doing,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: but anyway, these guys are in the NFL for a reason.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: We're not, that's part of it. I get it. I'm
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: just saying, it wasn't even close. He could have stood
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: there like a statue and just caught the ball.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: No, that was, that was full. Listen, man, I will
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: give these quarterbacks shit when they deserve it. That was
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: fully on Loveland. Like there's at the pace he was
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: going right out of bounds. There's nowhere he could have
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: put the football besides behind.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I can't remember also to actually think now that you
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: said that it reminds me even further than I hate
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to keep because it's all in the wound for me too.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: But I honestly think it was Brady. on the broadcast
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: that called it, called it out on Caleb. Or on Loveland, sorry.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Because he's a quarterback sticking up for a quarterback. I
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: get it. But he was saying, like, dude, got to
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: slow down. Like, what's he running for? It reminded me, like,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: back in the day, like, how Edelman would actually get
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: open for his routes. Like, just so shifty and be good.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: But it's like, slow down, man. Especially because Loveland's such
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: a big dude. It's like, man, just that tumbling force.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: You're not stopping that. So, you know, inertia, whatever you
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: want to say, the scientifics of it. But I will say.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Interesting in the captain. You can use them anywhere. I'm
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: just saying the fact that it looks like even with
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: captain ownership spreading out, Loveland should still be lower than expected,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I think. So to me, high interest in them there.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: These other guys you can use. I'm good with all
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: of them. Henry, Raritan, Comet, all in the flex. Use
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: them as you see fit. Don't see a lot with these,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: you know. Other guys, I know we've been, you know,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Sam Rush, Rush, trying to make him work. He gets
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: a projection. He shows up in there. It's possible. But
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I'm saying like for what we're, you know, standing for
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: or cheering for, these are the guys that we're, you know,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: talking about that you'll actually have, you know, bigger decisions on,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: especially if you're playing 20 or less lineups, my guess.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: So.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing else for me to add at the tight end.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: What do you got for the kicker game logs in
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: this one? Because that was my other thinking of this
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: one earlier. Probably way more likely, actually, than the Patriots
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: somehow figuring out to get these running backs involved heavily,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: is that you get a Borregalas-Santos back and forth of
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: just kicking field goals in this game. Both these teams
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: can break down when they get close.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Avery mentioned it earlier. Bears can play loose up until
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: the red zone. The Patriots can too. The Patriots could
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: be playing loose up until the end zone, getting those
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: deep bombs. Then all of a sudden it's like three,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: you know, it's three shots at it. They don't get
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: it done. Like, okay, bring out the kicker. So what's
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: your numbers on these guys right now that you've seen?
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Not that it equals tonight, but I'm just curious because
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I could see this happening for sure.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, so Santos has four out of the
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: six games, nine, nine or above. So that's a solid
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: number from a kicker. Boragalis is pretty similar. He's, let's see,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: every game but one he's had at least six. That's
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: not a huge number. So he's had six, nine, seven, three, nine, eight.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: So there hasn't been any like big time ceiling performances,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: but the kickers, I mean, it's just, it's wild to
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: think though. It's like, it's all about the game and
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: where the teams get their stops and just like one
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: 50 yard field goal. you're basically getting a touchdown from
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: these guys. So definitely going to keep them in. I'm
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: not super excited about these two just because the offenses
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: are so aggressive, specifically Chicago's. I guess if I had
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: a preference on one of these kickers, it would probably
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: be Boragalis. But for me tonight, I'm always over on
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the kickers. I'll probably be a little over on both
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: these guys. But if I'm deciding on one, it would
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: be Boragalis and not much interest in defense.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I'm building some double kicker lineups tonight for old time's sake.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: That's been a thing we've done for years now. And
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: it just feels like, again, that's the one that seems
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: like a more popular... potential or I should say more popular,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: more higher potential than these running backs, figuring it out
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: on the Patriot side. I feel like there's going to
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: be passing. There's going to be a bunch of catches,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: short passes, catches over the middle, these tight ends, guys
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: like that, that can, you know, catch balls, fall on it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Some runs through the, you know, the middle to move
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: the chains. But at the end of the day, you
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: could definitely see it where it falls apart a little
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: bit once they get closer and, and you end up
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: just getting, you know, three, four field goals from both
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: sides and you get a bit of a back and forth, even,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: can happen in a higher scoring game too. A lot
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: of people think that automatically means the under or things
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: like that. It's not always the case. And same goes
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: too for just rounding this out because I don't have
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts on the defense, but roster construction
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: or composition in showdown as well, a lot of people
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: assume like, you know, five, one, somebody talked about earlier.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I think it ended up being like a five, one
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Carolina in the Detroit game or something that was close.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: And it was like, that was still a close game.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: We've also seen our guy title. Who's not with us today.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: When all the money at the super bowl, a couple
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: of years ago with a two, four with a chiefs captain,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: when the Eagles blew them out, it was worthy in
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the captain and four Eagles in the flex with another chief.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: It's like, it still depends on how the game actually
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: plays out and where the fantasy points go. We saw
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: it the other night. We talked about this on Monday
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: night hoop with, Lamb ended up being the captain. It
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't because of Lamb's big game. Matthew Golden had a
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: huge game and could have had a double that almost
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: with two dropped touchdowns potentially. But it was more about
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: when the two cheap guys, Pierre Strong and Flournoy, both
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: get double digits. Well, that's going to be way more
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: common in a Lamb lineup. And then Lamb still did
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: just enough to get it across the finish line. So
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: lots of different ways to think about it when you're building,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: but definitely don't just go off of the spreads and
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: the totals or, you know, saying that we say two
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: kickers means that it can mean anything. We saw defenses.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: So Toronto defense is, we saw the mexico game a
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: couple years ago what was that 107 points something i
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: think both defense were like.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: 18 and 23 rams chiefs yep i believe that's.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: What it was definitely at least the Rams. It was
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: in Mexico. And I think both defenses almost scored 20.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: They averaged 20. I think the two defenses in a
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: game like that, it was like, everything was going nuts
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: in that game. But if anyone had, if you had
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: a told someone before the game, both defenses score 15
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: plus points, they're like, what? No way in Mexico. There's
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: no way the game goes under. You just, you don't
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: just associate it with the game total when it comes
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: to that stuff. And then in showdown, there's tons of
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: different ways that you can build, leave money, two fours,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: one fives, five ones, all different things that you can do.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: depending on how you think the game plays out. So
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: that's what I think is interesting. And so I like
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: this slate quite a bit. Anything from the FanDuel side
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: that you see here?
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Just looking at it, Ramondre Stevenson, pretty expensive, 10-2. And
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: then there is Travion Henderson, 8K. So those guys, even
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: more expensive relative to the field on FanDuel. Loveland, fair
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: price at $ 72, 000. Adunze, we kind of talked about him
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: maybe going a little overlooked, I'd say even more so
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: on FanDuel. He's $ 8, 200, so Loveland is cheaper, and then
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Burden's only like $ 400 more, so I think Adunze has
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: a chance to go overlooked. Pop Douglas, $ 4, 400, really cheap
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: price tag on FanDuel. Even Hunter Henry, $ 5, 800, cheap, come down.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Big difference between Chisholm and Kyle Williams, where they're priced
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: pretty closely on DK. On FanDuel, Chisholm is 52, where
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams is only 2,800. So if people are going
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: for a cheap wide receiver, they're just going to go
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Williams over Chisholm. And then the rest of the cheap
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: guys are down below. But those are the few things
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: that stood out. Roshon Johnson, pretty cheap on FanDuel, too,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: at 3,600.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just noticed that. Henry, too, cheaper on FanDuel
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: than DraftKings, he said. So I think that's interesting, too.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I was just trying to see, what was that week? Yeah.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: One thing I just thought about, cause I was looking,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about the Hunter Henry thing and how he's, um,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: less on FanDuel than he is on DraftKings and much
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: less than Loveland. Also, he's only 200 bucks less than
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Loveland on DraftKings. He's 5,800 versus 7,200 on FanDuel. Um,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the guy that got the bears, it was just last week.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: It's like, again, it has nothing to do with this week.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I get all that, but it's like pits was the
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: guy that stole all the points from London and Bijan
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: last week. So I do think that's kind of, uh,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: you know, interesting if you see it go that way,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: because it's like, would tell the perfect story of how
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: they're getting there. But, um, obviously we want to see
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: AJ Brown get an action here and find his way around.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to see quarterbacks to actually, it's pretty crazy. This,
• 52:12
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• 52:15
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• 52:17
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• 52:21
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• 52:23
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• 52:29
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• 52:32
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• 52:35
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• 52:38
  Speaker 1: versus tight ends. But then it tells you like who
• 52:40
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• 52:43
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• 52:46
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• 52:48
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