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Thane Martin on Near-Death Insights, Happiness Equation, and Psychological Safety in Workplaces · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to Authentic Living with Roxanne, a place where we have conscious conversations
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  about things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Durhaj.
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  Hi, everyone.
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  It's Roxanne Durhodge.
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  Thanks for tuning in again this week of authentic living with Roxanne.
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  I have a special guest, and his name is Fain, which I love that name, by the way.
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  He's Martin.
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  And he owns a company.
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  It's Pure Love.
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  And Thane has used his life experience to create something that he's putting out into the
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  world, and we're gonna talk a lot more about it.
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  So, Thane, thanks so much for coming on today.
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  Thank you so much for all that you do.
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  So, Thane, tell us a little bit about your background.
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  And I know we're gonna come up, and we're gonna talk about what you're putting out there with
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  neuro some of the neuro things that you developed.
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  So tell us a little bit about your background.
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  A little bit background.
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  Born and raised in Phoenix, Arizona.
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  Had a wonderful mother and father, older brother, younger sister.
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  Had a normal life in a I'm gonna call it lower middle income family.
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  And then I started being groomed by a little boy in the neighborhood when I was young.
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  And then I wasn't first assaulted until I was eight years of age.
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  Oh.
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  And and I began being assaulted by adults at age eight, and it lasted until age 14.
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  And I was abused by people that I went to church with.
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  People that were supposed to protect me would harm me.
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  And so I developed very peculiar childhood disorders.
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  You can imagine when you grow up being abused like that inside of an organization that should
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  be safe, it really tends to mess with the kids' head.
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  So I've struggled with mental health pretty much most of my life up until I had a near
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  death experience, August 2023.
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  I had a a drowning.
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  I accidentally drowned in my swimming pool.
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  And I had a near death experience, and that was 08/13/2023.
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  Since that time, I spent about two and a half years literally in this office writing,
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  hypothecating, thinking, creating, and remembering what I remembered from that
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  experience when I died.
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  I'm a very vivid memory of that whole experience.
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  And from that experience, my life completely changed.
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  Prior to dying in the pool, I was a executive in the high-tech industry.
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  I sold and managed software and hundreds of people.
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  That's what I did for a living.
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  When I drowned in the pool and my life came to a screeching halt and I had to start over, I
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  realized that I couldn't go back to corporate America and that I didn't belong there and that
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  I had a new calling.
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  And that calling was how to teach people how to stand back up and claim the life that they
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  should always have lived.
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  I help people stand back up today through no matter what life throws at.
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  I teach you that you can overcome it, and I teach you how to do it.
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  And we do it with something called experiential neuroscience.
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  So I am pioneering a new industry.
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  It is a new way learning and a new way of reprogramming the mind, and we do it with
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  experiential neuroscience.
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  So it's an understanding that we are basically repetition machines.
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  That's what our brains do.
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  We observe the world around us.
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  We see something, and then our subconscious mind uses what it identifies to make its own
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  decisions, which it then serves up to your consciousness.
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  So most people get trapped.
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  That's the best way to describe it.
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  The way that our brains work, it's designed to protect us, but that mere mechanism itself is
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  actually what traps us once we get stuck.
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  And so I know so many people that that come to me that are like, Thane, I wanna live an
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  abundantly happy life.
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  I wanna be amazing.
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  And it goes back to this, the understanding that there is a physiological connection
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  between what the body does and what the brain does, especially when it comes to emotions.
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  So what I've learned is that most people, we've all wrote stories from our childhood and from
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  our adolescence where we didn't have a fully developed brain, And we wrote the wrong story
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  about an experience that really wasn't as bad as it was, but our brains and our amygdala
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  embellished it to keep us.
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  And that embellished story became a self limiting belief that I've carried throughout
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  the rest of my life.
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  So when I drowned in the pool, one of the things that changed for me was I realized how
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  many things in my life that I was allowing in that didn't belong there.
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  And so I
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  So what happened with that?
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  When you almost died Right.
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  I'm fascinated by that.
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  I'd actually just watched something on Netflix.
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  Okay.
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  It was called surviving or something like that.
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  I talked to a lot of people that had gone through some kind of, you know, death
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  experience.
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  What was your experience then?
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  I was given some medication I shouldn't have been given, and I had an allergic reaction to
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  the medication while swimming.
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  And I literally had a seizure while swimming in the pool.
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  No.
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  So I I couldn't control my body.
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  I couldn't swim, and I literally drowned.
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  I drowned.
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  And I lost I consciousness remember struggling, and I don't remember the time between when I
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  took my last breath and when I woke up at the bottom of the pool fully awake.
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  There's a period of time that exists.
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  That period of time is when I left my body and went someplace else.
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  So when I say I left my body and went someplace else, I went to another space.
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  That's what I would tell you.
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  It is a space.
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  It is a reality just like the reality that we have here, but it's very different in the way
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  that it works and the way that it's organized.
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  A lot of people say, Thane, did you meet God?
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  A lot of people wanna know that, and the answer is yes.
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  Right?
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  I
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  How did you know how did you know you met him?
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  How did you know?
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  You'd it's there's no it's not that's it's the funniest question to ask because there's no
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  doubt who that is.
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  There's no doubt.
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  This is the one.
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  This is the top of the food chain.
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  That's what I would tell you because the other side is the most intense love you've ever felt,
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  and it is truly unconditional.
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  There is no judgment there.
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  There is judgment here.
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  There is no judgment there.
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  It is love and understanding, and it is magical.
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  And let me just say I struggled to stay there.
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  I wanted.
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  I wanted to stay, but it was obvious to me that my life had a different direction.
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  And that's also why I was given the opportunity to come back.
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  I negotiated that.
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  I negotiated to come back.
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  And and I've heard that story where people say it's so beautiful that they didn't wanna stay,
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  but then they got told you have some more to do, and then that they need to go back.
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  They need to close that loop on whatever they need to on this plane.
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  So when that happened to you, something shifted in you that made you come up with this method,
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  or was
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  it When I got out of the pool, I wasn't able to just get up, walk away from I laid on the side
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  of the pool for about two hours in the middle that I
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  So you could get out on the pool up the pool on your own at some point?
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  I could drag myself out of the pool, but I didn't have balance.
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  When I lost my oxygen, I lost my ability to stand up.
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  I lost my ability to balance.
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  It affected me in that way.
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  So all I could do was actually lay on the side of the pool, and I was actually part in the
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  water, part out of the water cause my pool has a gradual slope for my grandkids to play in.
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  So I was in the water, out of the water, and I was laying there.
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  And here's what came to me.
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  The entire universe exists in physical matter.
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  And from my perspective, that moon, that stars, that cosmos, everything rotated in perfect
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  balance.
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  So wait a minute.
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  If physical matter can stay in perfect balance, what's the language of the universe?
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  It's math.
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  The language of the universe is math because that's how you can get to a star.
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  You have to know math in order to be able to get to a star.
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  How does the planets evolve around the sun?
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  That's so the language of the universe is math.
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  So if the universe can use math to complete perfect balance, what happens if I applied the
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  language of math, the physical matter of the human experience?
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  That's called emotion.
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  It's literally physical matter.
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  So what came to me underneath the stars that night was that God managed to keep everything
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  in perfect balance using math.
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  So what if I could apply math to human emotion in my own life?
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  Would it work, and would it become perfectly balanced?
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  And that is the premise of what I have created.
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  It's called the equation of life and abundant happiness, and it's using the five operators of
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  as applied to the human emotional experience.
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  And the beautiful thing about that is we all remember it because we learned it in grade
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  school.
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  Every single one of us learned these operators, and we all learned them in the same order.
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  So the first thing that you were taught in grade school was addition.
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  And addition is about adding those things in life that brings forth goodness and joy.
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  That's addition.
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  Subtraction is letting go of those things that don't serve us, that don't bring forth joy, and
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  letting them go.
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  Why do we carry negative things that hurt us?
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  So what the thing upstairs that everybody gets to define asks us to do is to balance in the
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  immediate moment.
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  What do I add and what do I subtract in this exact moment to achieve a state of balance
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  where you feel safe?
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  K?
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  That's all any of us can do.
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  What do I add?
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  What do I subtract to feel safe in this moment?
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  Because a safe moment leads to a safe minute, and a safe minute leads to a safe hour and a
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  week and a and a year.
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  So it always begins in the moment, and that's really important because that's also where God
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  works.
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  God works in the magic of the now, not the past, the future.
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  And multiplication is where we learn how to grow.
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  That's where we learn how to align and embody our action and our intention.
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  And when we align it with our friends, our family, our coworkers, and the thing upstairs,
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  we grow.
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  That's multiplication.
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  Alright.
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  So if I was using math, I had a $100.
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  I now grew it with my friends and family.
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  I now have a thousand.
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  What did you learn next?
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  Division.
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  Division is about taking the expanded goodness and sharing it with those of us that helped
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  create it.
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  But there's one thing that needs to be in inserted there, and that's the principle of
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  abundance is a cost that comes from the heart.
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  So in that example, I had a $100, and now I turned it into a thousand.
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  I need 600 to pay my bills this week, and god knows that human beings like safety because
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  life is full of ebbs and flows.
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  So humans need a little bit more than what we need in order to feel safe, and God's okay with
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  that.
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  So what's the number?
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  Comes from the heart.
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  Okay?
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  So if I need 600 to pay my bills, I need another 150 to feel safe.
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  So I'm keeping this $7.50 for me, and that other $2.50, I'm dividing and giving it back of
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  where it came from.
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  So division is about taking the excess abundance that we created together in love in
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  this world and putting it back where it pains.
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  Because if we do that, the whole system operates in perpetuity.
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  Okay?
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  Because we're not starving the middle.
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  Because if we hold on to excess wealth and not putting it back into the system, eventually,
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  you have the world that we live in today, which is completely divide.
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  We have we're gonna have the world's first trillionaire, and yet we have people in Africa
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  with distended stomachs because they don't have food.
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  And yet we all go to sleep under the same sun.
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  That's a problem.
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  K?
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  Our society is not healthy right now.
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  Alright.
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  Then the last operator is the equal sign, and the equal sign is gratitude.
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  And gratitude is literally the most important word in existence.
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  Because with gratitude, I can create love anywhere, anytime, any place.
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  So the equipping life and abundant happiness is the four operators of math as applied, and it's
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  also mixed in with the symbols of a butterfly.
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  Right?
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  Because we all come here basically as a caterpillar.
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  Our basic needs are met.
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  We just need to eat and poop.
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  That's a caterpillar.
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  Okay?
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  And then we experience life.
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  That's the chrysalis.
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  We make mistakes.
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  We do good things and do bad things.
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  Sometimes we write the right story.
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  Sometimes we write the wrong story.
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  But either way, hopefully, you learn how to balance.
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  You learn how to let go of the stuff you don't need, and you become what we call a a
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  butterfly.
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  You become a coolly flag.
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  That's what this is.
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  It's actually the logo for my company.
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  And the four Oh,
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  I said, this is the butterfly?
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  It is.
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  Oh, wow.
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  Okay.
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  Each one of these is representative of the human heart that is imperfect.
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  So there's four imperfect hearts.
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  This is my body and the remembrance for me to always take care of the body that I was given.
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  Because that body has to carry my soul, so I better take good care of it.
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  That's my body.
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  The next wing down is my subconscious mind.
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  K?
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  I created that subconscious mind with my life story.
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  So it is my job to make sure that life story is accurate and reflects what really happened, not
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  what my mind thinks happened so I could protect my ego.
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  K?
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  So having a clear conscience and a clear ego, that's this over here.
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  This butterfly wing is your relationship with God.
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  Okay?
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  Your own source for love.
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  Who is that for you?
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  And then the last wing is your soul.
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  It's your soul.
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  So when you keep your relationship between God, your soul, your body, and your mind together,
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  and you balance it correctly, you get a transparent heart, which you can see here.
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  And once you learn to live transparent and be authentic in all that you do, you become
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  perfectly white as you see my necklace.
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  It's a flip side, Randy.
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  Everybody listening.
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  It's a
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  flip side of the pink
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  It's all
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  is all white.
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  It is all light.
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  We just we just probably like the soul.
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  Right?
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  Because our souls, we are a pure light.
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  We are a 100% electrical energy, and we exist after this dispensation.
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  The body goes back in the ground, but the spirit continues.
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  And it's a beautiful place where I went, and I am my life's work is about helping me, and
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  anybody that wants to join me return.
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  Okay?
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  Because that is where we belong.
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  This is just a temporary place that we're here for just a short period of time.
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  And that's But tell me about the neuroscience piece then.
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  So what we do with experiential learning is this.
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  Okay?
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  I want I'm gonna take you back to September 11.
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  You remember where you were that day?
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  I was holding my six month old baby.
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  Right.
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  Do you remember what morning it was?
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  I was about seven 07:15.
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  Yep.
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  And I turned on the TV, and I was holding him.
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  And I looked at the TV, and I said, is this is this an I thought, oh, is this a joke?
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  Yeah.
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  And then I realized, and I yelled upstairs to my husband to say something really bad has
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  happened.
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  Yeah.
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  So we all remember that day because we all experienced strong emotion.
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  Right?
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  What I've learned is that if you wanna change the human being, you have to learn while
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  experiencing strong emotion.
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  Because when you learn while experiencing strong emotion, you don't forget it, and your
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  body integrates it physiologically and mentally at the same time.
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  That's the difference.
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  Okay?
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  So what experiential neuroscience is is it is a way of installing behaviors inside the mind of
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  a human being by experiencing and doing, not reading.
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  For example, if you struggle with let's say you have an issue around body image.
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  I'm not happy with the way that I look, and I judge myself because I'm too heavy or I'm too
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  skinny.
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  So imagine if there was an experience that I could create where you could enter a space of
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  safety so you felt safe, where you could encounter that shadow that you have around your
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  body image.
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  So what if I could experience something in a safe place where I could maybe even take off my
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  shirt in a swimming pool area that I've never done before?
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  Would I be willing to do that in order to overcome this feeling that I have about my
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  body.
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  So in every exercise that I do, there is a sense there's always safety.
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  There's always a sense of social risk because we don't grow, and we can't learn unless we're
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  a little bit uncomfortable.
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  I'm gonna make you a bit uncomfortable.
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  And when you're a little bit uncomfortable, your brain goes into a malleable state of
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  learning because the brain is going, wait a minute.
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  Thane's asking me to do something where I might be a little bit embarrassed.
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  So I better so while the brain is now learning, I then deliver a positive experience that the
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  brain did not predict.
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  That's called predictive mismatch.
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  And when the brain gets something that it didn't predict, it forces it to update that
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  memory to the physiological response just like said Temporarily.
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  You're shifting the physiological even though you're uncomfortable, and then you're
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  implanting something positive that overrides the negative.
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  Yes.
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  And it gets stored in the I gotta see the visceral.
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  That is right.
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  And it's all done inside of a very short window because the memory reconsolidation window is
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  only open for a short period of time.
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  So there are some exercises that will you can do in, three or four minutes, and yet there's
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  enough risk.
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  There are other exercises where that window's open longer because of the risk associated with
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  the exercise.
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  So here's the thing.
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  Every we start, there's eight behavioral systems in the deck of cards.
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  K?
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  So there's cards in there to help you learn courage, empathy, confidence, identity,
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  connection.
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  So if you're somebody that struggles to say hello to people or you're afraid to be visible
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  in public, then we're gonna start you out with a really simple card called Smile Marathon.
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  And in Smile Marathon, you're gonna sit at the shopping mall or the food court.
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  And for thirty minutes, you're gonna look at strangers that walk by, and you're gonna make
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  eye contact and smile at every single one of them for thirty minutes.
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  That's the exercise.
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  So is there a little bit of risk?
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  Yeah.
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  Because you're gonna be smiling at people that you don't know.
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  And they might say, why are you smiling at me?
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  But
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  here's what
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  you Why they smile back, generally.
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  Most people smile back.
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  That's right.
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  So Right.
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  I got smilers.
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  So I smile at everybody, and I hug everybody.
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  So guess what?
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  You know, you're smiling.
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  I said, why wouldn't I smile at everybody?
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  I talk to everybody.
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  I don't care if it's a two year old or a 90 year old.
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  But it's easy for you.
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  And it's easy for me, but there's lots of people in the So what smile marathon does is
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  think about it.
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  I start my day off with no smiles, and and I I examine my feelings.
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  And now I'm smiling for thirty minutes at all these people that walk by.
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  What happens to my own demeanor?
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  I get happier.
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  You're gonna notice that by smiling at other people, I smile.
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  I feel better.
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  What else did I notice?
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  Noticed that some people smile back.
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  I noticed that some people smile, look me in the eye, and then look away.
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  Why is that?
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  Why do people look at me and then look away?
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  Are they uncomfortable or am I uncomfortable?
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  I noticed that I smiled at that person, and they did not smile back, and they didn't look
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  at me.
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  Is that me?
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  Am I the one walking around in this world not looking at anybody or smiling?
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  Because if this that is me, I need to change that behavior.
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  Okay?
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  So that is experiential learning.
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  In thirty minutes, how much did you learn about yourself?
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  How much did you learn about how you show up in the world?
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  Did you find that you struggle to look at people and smile and make eye contact?
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  Was that hard for you?
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  Or was that easy?
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  You see, that's experiential learning.
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  So we move from awareness.
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  The next exercise would be it's called name them to know them.
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  So in that card, I'm gonna ask you to go into the world.
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  I'm gonna ask you to find three people that you don't know and use their name at least twice in
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  a sentence.
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  That's the exercise.
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  So that is gonna encourage somebody to safely be comfortable using their name.
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  Because at the end of this program, the greatest card I have is the most difficult.
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  And that card is gratitude with pure strangers.
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  The greatest growth I have ever experienced is when I have loved somebody unconditionally.
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  And you just can't do that with anybody.
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  It takes gratitude.
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  It does.
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  So how can I use gratitude to open my heart and open the heart of the person I'm talking to?
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  And if I do it just right, I'm gonna get a physiological response in the body.
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  We call it a gratitude cocktail.
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  It is going to be studied in a university because it is a phenomenon that can be
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  replicated.
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  And the phenomenon, from what we're seeing appears to promote massive rapid expansion of
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  neuroplastic behavior.
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  What it means is you are moving mountains of trauma in short record time.
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  And that's why we're gonna study this.
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  It will be offered to clinicians, psychiatrists, and psychologists, and
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  hypnotherapists.
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  It will be available.
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  It will be studied.
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  It will be called XMNI when it gets put into what we're doing with that.
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  That sounds amazing.
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  Yeah.
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  I have a neuroscientist on staff.
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  You do.
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  Fantastic.
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  Amazing.
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  Amazing.
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  So how do you think companies should think about what you're putting out there?
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  People need health, obviously, and we know, unfortunately, being that the world is I've
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  been using the word until because we thought we'd see it all, and now it's kinda literally
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  we're on tilt.
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  Right?
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  There's so much uncertainty, which I'm across the border from you.
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  I'm in Canada.
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  But even between our countries and globally, like, every everything's just nothing that's
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  staying still.
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  And companies even more so because people are just trying to survive.
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  How do you think your method, if it was applied in different environments, like different
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  companies would help?
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  Yeah.
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  I'm glad you asked that.
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  Right?
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  Because I have an entire division of my company that does just that.
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  Alright?
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  Now what's different about what we do is I partnered with a company that we offer an AI
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  program that gets installed in the communication systems of your company.
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  And it uses AI and neuro linguistic programming and 1,200 nodes to measure the actual cultural
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  health of your organization.
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  Well, now I can give you a dashboard that will literally show you your burnout score, your
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  executive capacity score, like everything.
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  So this is your this is your
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  So I put that in.
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  And and what is different about me is I teach your employees how to balance their emotional
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  energy.
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  So that means when they get home and they get into an argue with their kid and they gotta
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  come to work, they're not bringing that argument to work with them.
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  You're able to balance your emotional energy at that moment.
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  So what I'm teaching is emotional regulation to your employees.
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  And that means they show up at work and give you a 100%.
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  Right now, US companies lose 300,000,000,000 a year in lost revenue due to mental health.
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  People that are not that are at work, that are not focused.
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  So a 100% experiential learning is the new way of changing culture inside of companies.
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  And when you partner that with AI and the ability to measure it, we at It's Pure Love,
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  we're unstoppable.
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  And that's why we're getting
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  this Fantastic.
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  Fantastic.
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  So so where if people are like, I'm intrigued.
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  I wanna know more, Vane, and I'm sure we'll stay connected.
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  Where can people find out more about this and Yep.
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  Get ahold of you?
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  Because, like, I'm sure, like, I have questions.
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  I'm sure others have questions as well.
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  Yes.
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  Where could they reach out and have a chat or or go to your site or whatever?
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  Yeah.
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  So you can find me at its purelove.com, itspurelove.com.
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  You can read about Experiential Neuroscience.
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  There are both courses for business and courses for personal.
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  Okay?
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  You can read about them.
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  And then ultimately, what I encourage you to do is schedule thirty minutes with me.
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  It's free.
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  We'll talk about your life, my life, and if it's a fit, great.
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  If not, no big deal.
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  I work on a donation basis.
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  I don't believe that mental health should be something that should be unaffordable.
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  I think if anybody has the desire to heal, they should be able to heal.
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  What I don't do is work for free.
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  And the reason I say that is because free doesn't work.
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  Free has no skin in the game.
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  So if I'm gonna ask you to do some challenging things, I need you to have some skin in the
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  game so you're not willing to walk away and waste my time.
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  And I've had people do that, and that's not fair to me, and it's ultimately not fair to
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  them.
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  I do require a donation to be in the program.
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  But at the end of the day, if you weren't happy with what I did, I'd give you your money back,
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  because I'd never do that to anybody.
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  I want you to be abundantly happy and live like I live, which is abundantly.
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  Awesome.
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  He's just glowing for those that won't see the video.
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  So what what am I walking away with?
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  I I think, you know, I always I I said to Thane that I feel so I feel so blessed that I get to
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  meet amazing people like Thane and all the others that I've ever met all over the world.
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  And I have these
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  incredible
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  fantastic conversations, and I get to learn, but I also get to put the information out to
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  the world.
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  If if we could help one person today, they've done our jobs.
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  That's right.
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  And so what I'm gonna say is we come in as a light.
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  We get pricked and prodded by life, but that does not define you.
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  And what Thane is talking about is just that.
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  And I will say, you know, that light is always there.
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  It's just the method of of retrieval or uncovering.
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  And what Thane is talking about sounds amazing because we know that neurons that fire together
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  wired
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  Together.
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  And, you know, by something like what he's talking about, it's about getting into the
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  body, and trauma lives in the body.
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  Yep.
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  Be it big or small t trauma, so to recognize another mental I'm
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  so glad you said that, big and small t, because that's so everyone's got trauma.
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  We all do.
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  So, you know, any methods that you've like, theta's putting out in the world helps.
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  And for employers, when you think about it, the better we're able to equip people to feel
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  psychologically safe, then they're able to show up and bring out the best version of themselves
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  to create create this the innovation and the creativity and the spontaneity that's needed to
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  drive whatever brand or company they're working for to recognize this investment really.
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  It comes back to a two probably ten, fifty fold.
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  So to think about investing in your employees.
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  So, Thane, thanks a lot again.
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  Everyone, thanks so much for hanging out with me again.
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  I feel truly blessed.
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  And what's new with me?
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  The R War Masterclass is running with live coaching.
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  And if you're interested in joining a cohort, just let me know, and I will send you the
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  information.
• 28:36
  Just reach out to me at Roxanne at Roxanne Durhodge dot com.
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  Nagetchy, thank you, and everybody, we'll talk to you soon.
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  Take care.
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  Pleasure.
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  Bye now.
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