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Kentucky: Postmasters & Snapping Turtles (with Caitlyn Bruns & Paul Abell) | Episode 104 · Stories That Live In Us

• 0:00
  Crista Cowan: What number are you?
• 0:01
  Paul Abell: Ten.
• 0:01
  Paul Abell: You're the youngest?
• 0:02
  Paul Abell: I missed the baby.
• 0:04
  Paul Abell: I'm not okay.
• 0:04
  Paul Abell: I did a lot of people.
• 0:06
  Caitlyn Bruns: Are you the baby though?
• 0:07
  Paul Abell: No, I'm not the baby.
• 0:08
  Paul Abell: Number four is the baby.
• 0:09
  Paul Abell: But I've always my parents always call me the baby.
• 0:14
  Crista Cowan: You brought that up.
• 0:15
  Crista Cowan: I need you to tell me what that means.
• 0:17
  Crista Cowan: Stories That Live in Us is a podcast that inspires you to form deep connections with your family, past, present, and future.
• 0:25
  Crista Cowan: I'm Crista Cowan, known online as The Barefoot Genealogist.
• 0:29
  Crista Cowan: Counting down to the upcoming celebration of America's 250th birthday, you'll meet families from each state whose stories are woven into the very fabric of America.
• 0:40
  Crista Cowan: Tales of immigration, migration, courage, and community that remind us that when we tell our stories, we strengthen the bonds that connect us.
• 0:49
  Crista Cowan: So join me for season two as we discover from sea to shining sea the stories that live in us.
• 0:55
  Crista Cowan: What do Beyoncé's mother, Kentucky, and a genetic scientist have in common?
• 1:04
  Crista Cowan: It's not the beginning of a bad joke.
• 1:06
  Crista Cowan: It's actually part of today's story.
• 1:10
  Crista Cowan: About a year ago, I was on a business trip in Chicago.
• 1:15
  Crista Cowan: Now, Ancestry was partnering with Beyoncé's mother on her book tour.
• 1:22
  Crista Cowan: She released this fantastic book called Matriarch.
• 1:25
  Crista Cowan: She talked all about how she had researched her family history using Ancestry.
• 1:31
  Crista Cowan: And so it was very natural for us to be there as part of the book tour.
• 1:34
  Crista Cowan: Well, in the marketing department at Ancestry, we have a woman named Caitlyn Bruns who is responsible for strategic partnerships.
• 1:42
  Crista Cowan: And so she had been the point person for all of these events.
• 1:47
  Crista Cowan: And I got asked to go to that particular event as one of the genealogists to be in the room, helping people make family history discoveries.
• 1:56
  Crista Cowan: Ancestry has more than a thousand employees.
• 2:00
  Crista Cowan: And so that means that we don't know everybody that works here.
• 2:03
  Crista Cowan: We don't often get to work with people unless we're put in situations like that.
• 2:08
  Crista Cowan: And so I was standing in that room at that book tour in Chicago, and I got to know Caitlyn a little bit better.
• 2:18
  Crista Cowan: She was more than just a name and somebody on the marketing team here at Ancestry.
• 2:22
  Crista Cowan: As we got to talking, I realized she had actually come into the marketing department from DNA.
• 2:27
  Crista Cowan: She was a genetic scientist who had been part of strategic partnerships for our DNA ops team here at Ancestry for quite a while.
• 2:37
  Crista Cowan: And her story was fascinating as she was explaining her career.
• 2:42
  Crista Cowan: But then she let it slip that she was from Kentucky.
• 2:47
  Crista Cowan: And I was a little bit taken aback because she had no discernible accent at all.
• 2:53
  Crista Cowan: And then she started talking about how not only was she from Kentucky, but both her parents were from Kentucky, and all four of her grandparents were from Kentucky.
• 3:02
  Crista Cowan: And she has probably one of the deepest Kentucky-rooted family trees that I have ever heard of.
• 3:10
  Crista Cowan: So when she started talking about family reunions with her family and some of the stories of her parents, I was so charmed and just knew we had to get her on the episode about Kentucky.
• 3:26
  Crista Cowan: Well, when I invited her to do that, she told me that her dad was going to be visiting Utah.
• 3:32
  Crista Cowan: And wouldn't it be fun if we could get him in the podcast studio with her to tell his stories?
• 3:39
  Crista Cowan: And let me tell you, Mr.
• 3:41
  Crista Cowan: Paul Abel sounds like he's from Kentucky.
• 3:44
  Crista Cowan: And maybe Caitlyn does a little bit too, as she sits next to him on the couch and talks about their family stories.
• 3:52
  Crista Cowan: Enjoy my conversation with Paul Abel and Caitlyn Bruns.
• 3:56
  Crista Cowan: Well, I'm so excited you're both here.
• 3:58
  Crista Cowan: I have a special spot in my heart for father-daughter relationships.
• 4:02
  Crista Cowan: And you guys are the first to be on our couch as two guests.
• 4:06
  Crista Cowan: So super excited about that.
• 4:08
  Crista Cowan: Caitlyn, let's start with you.
• 4:11
  Crista Cowan: I would love to hear what it was like growing up in your family.
• 4:15
  Crista Cowan: So tell us a little bit about just your family and your growing up years.
• 4:19
  Caitlyn Bruns: Yeah, so grew up in Kentucky.
• 4:21
  Caitlyn Bruns: We were about an hour or so for my grandparents, both sets.
• 4:26
  Caitlyn Bruns: So it was always really nice to be able to go back and see one side of the family and the other side of the family at the same time.
• 4:33
  Caitlyn Bruns: A little bit of different dynamics given that my dad is one of ten and my mom is only one of three.
• 4:39
  Caitlyn Bruns: So a little bit of different uh decibels when you when you showed up at the house.
• 4:45
  Crista Cowan: I love that.
• 4:46
  Crista Cowan: And how many of you are there?
• 4:49
  Caitlyn Bruns: Only one of me.
• 4:50
  Caitlyn Bruns: Okay.
• 4:50
  Caitlyn Bruns: Yes.
• 4:51
  Caitlyn Bruns: So no siblings.
• 4:52
  Caitlyn Bruns: No siblings, and I only have one daughter.
• 4:54
  Crista Cowan: So and did you live in the same place your whole growing up years, or did you move around that community?
• 5:01
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um, we moved a little bit, but pretty much the same place.
• 5:04
  Caitlyn Bruns: Like I went to the same school system all the way through.
• 5:07
  Caitlyn Bruns: Okay.
• 5:08
  Caitlyn Bruns: Well, there you go.
• 5:08
  Caitlyn Bruns: Paul, glad you're here.
• 5:11
  Paul Abell: For having me.
• 5:12
  Crista Cowan: Excited to hear a little bit more about you, and I'm gonna ask you a question that I ask a lot of people.
• 5:16
  Crista Cowan: Can you tell me the story of how you met Caitlyn's mother?
• 5:21
  Paul Abell: Believe it or not, it was in genetics class.
• 5:24
  Crista Cowan: What?
• 5:25
  Paul Abell: Yes.
• 5:25
  Paul Abell: She was taking it as a graduate class.
• 5:28
  Paul Abell: I was taking it as an undergraduate.
• 5:33
  Crista Cowan: We met her.
• 5:34
  Crista Cowan: I love that.
• 5:35
  Crista Cowan: How old were you?
• 5:36
  Crista Cowan: Twenty-three.
• 5:37
  Crista Cowan: Okay, and is she the same age?
• 5:39
  Paul Abell: No, she was had a little age on me.
• 5:42
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 5:43
  Crista Cowan: A little?
• 5:44
  Crista Cowan: How many is a little?
• 5:45
  Paul Abell: Uh about five.
• 5:46
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 5:47
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 5:47
  Paul Abell: She was she's five years older than me.
• 5:50
  Caitlyn Bruns: Okay, I love that.
• 5:51
  Caitlyn Bruns: But y'all knew each other's siblings.
• 5:53
  Paul Abell: We yes.
• 5:54
  Paul Abell: I played softball with with her brother.
• 5:56
  Paul Abell: Okay.
• 5:57
  Paul Abell: And then my s I have a sister, there's ten of us.
• 6:00
  Paul Abell: So I had a sister her age, and I seen her in the uh, they was on the drill team together, which I didn't pay any attention, you know, then or whatever.
• 6:11
  Paul Abell: But uh but yeah, and then Lynn Doug, her her uh my wife's uh brother played softball together, so uh got to know her dad through that way.
• 6:22
  Crista Cowan: So you knew the family?
• 6:24
  Paul Abell: I knew the family.
• 6:25
  Crista Cowan: Okay, and but because she was older than you, but i it didn't just occur to you to pursue her until you were also older.
• 6:31
  Crista Cowan: Exactly.
• 6:32
  Crista Cowan: Okay, right.
• 6:33
  Crista Cowan: And did you have to pursue her or was it Yeah?
• 6:39
  Paul Abell: There's nothing easy in this world.
• 6:41
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 6:41
  Crista Cowan: Um how long did you guys date before you got married?
• 6:45
  Paul Abell: About a year and a half.
• 6:46
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 6:47
  Paul Abell: Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't long.
• 6:49
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 6:50
  Paul Abell: We knew right away.
• 6:51
  Paul Abell: Pretty pretty close.
• 6:52
  Paul Abell: I mean, you know, uh I never had a uh what you call a real girlfriend.
• 6:59
  Paul Abell: So she was it from the Yeah, I I never planned on getting married.
• 7:04
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 7:04
  Crista Cowan: What's her name?
• 7:06
  Crista Cowan: Kathy.
• 7:07
  Crista Cowan: Kathy.
• 7:08
  Crista Cowan: And how long until Caitlyn came along?
• 7:12
  Paul Abell: Um we got married in eighty six and she was born in eighty eight, so two years.
• 7:18
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 7:18
  Crista Cowan: I love that.
• 7:20
  Crista Cowan: And what is your favorite thing about being a father?
• 7:24
  Paul Abell: Well, just saying what she's accomplished.
• 7:27
  Crista Cowan: I love that.
• 7:28
  Crista Cowan: Tell me about your mom.
• 7:29
  Crista Cowan: What it like as you watched your parents' relationship growing up.
• 7:32
  Crista Cowan: What was that like?
• 7:33
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um, I've always thought it was really good.
• 7:36
  Caitlyn Bruns: They always seemed to work pretty well together and kind of balancing who did did what.
• 7:41
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um, and they were both always there for me.
• 7:44
  Caitlyn Bruns: I mean, I remember dad would usually take me to school and then mom would pick me up from school.
• 7:51
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um, so yeah, I it's good.
• 7:54
  Crista Cowan: I love that.
• 7:55
  Crista Cowan: And now you have a granddaughter.
• 7:58
  Crista Cowan: Oh, yeah.
• 7:58
  Crista Cowan: And I have met your granddaughter.
• 8:00
  Crista Cowan: She and she loves you.
• 8:03
  Crista Cowan: She was so excited that you were coming to visit.
• 8:06
  Crista Cowan: Yep.
• 8:07
  Crista Cowan: She likes us.
• 8:08
  Crista Cowan: She had to tell us all about it.
• 8:10
  Crista Cowan: What is your favorite thing to do with her?
• 8:12
  Paul Abell: Really anything, because just watching her reminds me a lot of Caitlyn.
• 8:16
  Paul Abell: So reliving that.
• 8:19
  Crista Cowan: Yeah, yeah, I love that.
• 8:21
  Crista Cowan: That's beautiful.
• 8:22
  Crista Cowan: Um, so one of 10 kids.
• 8:25
  Crista Cowan: What was that like?
• 8:26
  Paul Abell: Well, I weighed 154 pounds when I graduated high school.
• 8:31
  Paul Abell: Someone moved out and I gained a little bit.
• 8:35
  Crista Cowan: More food available.
• 8:36
  Paul Abell: Well, yeah, there was more room around the table.
• 8:39
  Paul Abell: But well, and I guess that's why uh I always hung around older people.
• 8:45
  Paul Abell: And probably hence I married somebody older.
• 8:49
  Paul Abell: Because of my older siblings.
• 8:51
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 8:51
  Paul Abell: What number are you?
• 8:52
  Paul Abell: Ten.
• 8:53
  Paul Abell: You're the youngest?
• 8:54
  Paul Abell: I missed the baby.
• 8:55
  Paul Abell: The baby.
• 8:55
  Paul Abell: I'm the baby.
• 8:55
  Paul Abell: Oh, okay.
• 8:56
  Paul Abell: I didn't like the baby.
• 8:57
  Caitlyn Bruns: Are you the baby though?
• 8:59
  Paul Abell: No, I'm not the baby.
• 8:59
  Paul Abell: Number four is the baby.
• 9:01
  Paul Abell: But I've always my parents always call me the baby.
• 9:04
  Paul Abell: You brought that up.
• 9:07
  Crista Cowan: I need you to tell me what that means.
• 9:09
  Caitlyn Bruns: I just have all of them have always said that number four is the baby.
• 9:13
  Caitlyn Bruns: Daddy's the youngest, uh-huh.
• 9:14
  Caitlyn Bruns: But number four is the baby.
• 9:16
  Caitlyn Bruns: Okay.
• 9:16
  Caitlyn Bruns: That's what I feel like there's a story there.
• 9:19
  Paul Abell: Well, yeah, well, there's a lot of stories.
• 9:22
  Crista Cowan: Are you gonna tell any of them?
• 9:24
  Paul Abell: Well, like if you see my mom's pictures, you've seen him let her dress tail.
• 9:30
  Paul Abell: Uh so he was a momless boy.
• 9:32
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 9:32
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 9:33
  Crista Cowan: Is is he still kinda in his heart?
• 9:36
  Paul Abell: In his heart, but we all of us, yeah.
• 9:38
  Crista Cowan: Pretty much.
• 9:38
  Crista Cowan: Oh.
• 9:38
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 9:39
  Crista Cowan: So so tell me about tell me about your parents.
• 9:42
  Paul Abell: Well, my dad served in war too.
• 9:45
  Paul Abell: And uh he um later after work, he became a mailman, and he did that for 28 years.
• 9:55
  Paul Abell: Uh yeah, 29 years, I think.
• 9:57
  Paul Abell: And then he uh he retired and he farmed on the side.
• 10:01
  Paul Abell: So hence that's what we did.
• 10:03
  Paul Abell: We grew 33 acres of the back uh had we raised six hogs every year for our family to eat and two two cows, and we processed her own meat.
• 10:15
  Paul Abell: And anyway, and then my mom, she was staying home mom, and then uh when some of them left the house and got older, she started driving the school bus.
• 10:23
  Paul Abell: She drove the school bus for 16 years, but we was all pretty tight-knit family.
• 10:29
  Crista Cowan: Sounds like that.
• 10:30
  Crista Cowan: That's amazing.
• 10:30
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 10:31
  Crista Cowan: Caitlyn, do you know the story of how your grandparents met?
• 10:33
  Crista Cowan: I don't know how they met.
• 10:37
  Paul Abell: Well, they met on a double date.
• 10:39
  Paul Abell: Uh I ironically, my mom was dating James Sherwood Sanders, and her sister was dating my dad, James Emmanuel Abel.
• 10:54
  Paul Abell: And they some way or the other, they swapped up some way or the other later on.
• 11:01
  Paul Abell: I mean, it didn't work out or whatever.
• 11:03
  Crista Cowan: Sure.
• 11:03
  Crista Cowan: So that's that's uh So they met on a devil date while they were with other people.
• 11:08
  Paul Abell: Right.
• 11:08
  Paul Abell: They was with their si those two sisters.
• 11:11
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 11:11
  Crista Cowan: Now you know.
• 11:13
  Crista Cowan: I know.
• 11:14
  Crista Cowan: Um tell me about a little bit about your other set of grandparents, Caitlyn.
• 11:20
  Caitlyn Bruns: So um my mom's parents, uh, Mimi and Poppy.
• 11:24
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um, my dad was or my grandfather was an electrician, and Mimi was a stay-at-home mom.
• 11:31
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um, they're not from Adair County, they're from Cumberland County, right?
• 11:37
  Caitlyn Bruns: No, James.
• 11:39
  Paul Abell: Well, uh your dad your granddad is from Cumberland County, and when they built Del Hollow Lake, they run them, you know, the flood, got them out and they redone, and they moved on top of the hill, and then not long after that, they his dad moved to Adair County.
• 11:54
  Paul Abell: And then her grandmother, Joyce uh Lloyd, she's from Russell County, which they all neighbor.
• 12:03
  Paul Abell: They all neighbor um Adair County.
• 12:06
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 12:06
  Crista Cowan: That's what we're and Russell County is still in Kentucky?
• 12:09
  Crista Cowan: Yes.
• 12:09
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 12:10
  Crista Cowan: There's Russell County in Virginia too, isn't there?
• 12:13
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 12:13
  Crista Cowan: Well that gets confusing.
• 12:15
  Paul Abell: Yeah, it it does.
• 12:16
  Paul Abell: They all they couldn't think of anything else when they came, so they just renamed ever.
• 12:20
  Paul Abell: Okay.
• 12:21
  Crista Cowan: Do you remember the first time you met Kathy's parents?
• 12:24
  Paul Abell: I met her dad at us like I say, I played softball with her brother.
• 12:28
  Paul Abell: Okay.
• 12:28
  Paul Abell: And he was very uh supportive of his children.
• 12:34
  Crista Cowan: And there were three of them?
• 12:35
  Paul Abell: There was three of them.
• 12:36
  Paul Abell: And uh he came to all the Doug's games.
• 12:38
  Paul Abell: So I met him there.
• 12:40
  Crista Cowan: That's amazing.
• 12:40
  Crista Cowan: And then what about her mom?
• 12:42
  Paul Abell: Well, her mom, I probably didn't really m meet her to talk to her until me and Kathy started dating.
• 12:49
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 12:49
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 12:50
  Paul Abell: And we fit right in because she had several eight siblings or so, so Yeah.
• 12:55
  Paul Abell: And they they treated me like a son.
• 12:58
  Crista Cowan: Oh, I love that.
• 12:59
  Crista Cowan: And so as you were growing up, Caitlyn, how far apart did your two sets of grandparents live from each other?
• 13:04
  Caitlyn Bruns: Like 20 minutes.
• 13:05
  Caitlyn Bruns: Okay.
• 13:06
  Caitlyn Bruns: Like very close.
• 13:07
  Caitlyn Bruns: So we were like an hour away from them, but they were only 20 minutes from each other.
• 13:12
  Caitlyn Bruns: Okay.
• 13:13
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 13:13
  Caitlyn Bruns: So it was very easy to get to go see both sides every time we would go there.
• 13:18
  Crista Cowan: And that's so unique because I think in a lot of families, there's like this like gravitational pull toward one side of the family or the other.
• 13:26
  Crista Cowan: So you're in a really unique situation where you have these relationships before you even meet your wife, and then your grandparents living so close together.
• 13:34
  Crista Cowan: That's amazing.
• 13:35
  Caitlyn Bruns: And it's kind of funny because on my mom's side, I'm the oldest grandchild.
• 13:40
  Caitlyn Bruns: On his side, I'm the youngest grandchild.
• 13:43
  Caitlyn Bruns: So I just got to like experience both dynamics.
• 13:46
  Crista Cowan: So does that mean your grandparents, like one set of grandparents, was a lot older than the other, right?
• 13:50
  Caitlyn Bruns: No, they were like basically the same age.
• 13:52
  Caitlyn Bruns: It's just that my he's just the youngest.
• 13:55
  Caitlyn Bruns: Sure.
• 13:56
  Caitlyn Bruns: So his parents were just older by the time they got dormant.
• 13:59
  Caitlyn Bruns: Yeah.
• 14:01
  Paul Abell: Just takes a while to get my mom and her grandfather, Gene Hoots, they're only five days.
• 14:08
  Paul Abell: My my mom's five days older than him.
• 14:11
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 14:11
  Crista Cowan: You know, so Okay.
• 14:12
  Crista Cowan: And now you now because the grant the your maternal grandparents lived in a different county, they did they know each other uh before you He was a well-known Kathy's father, Gene Hoots.
• 14:26
  Paul Abell: He was a well-known electrician.
• 14:28
  Paul Abell: So and then he was on the fire department rescue squad.
• 14:32
  Paul Abell: He was very a community oriented person.
• 14:36
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 14:36
  Paul Abell: And her his uh wife was also.
• 14:39
  Paul Abell: That's amazing.
• 14:40
  Paul Abell: So everybody knew the Hootses.
• 14:42
  Paul Abell: And I I knew who they was, you know, growing up, but I didn't know them in detail.
• 14:49
  Crista Cowan: Sure, yeah, that's amazing.
• 14:51
  Crista Cowan: So you've got these deep Kentucky roots.
• 14:54
  Crista Cowan: How deep do they go?
• 14:56
  Paul Abell: Pretty deep.
• 14:57
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 14:59
  Crista Cowan: Walk me through it.
• 15:01
  Paul Abell: Well, they came down there and from Maryland.
• 15:05
  Paul Abell: My side my side did.
• 15:06
  Paul Abell: Came from the Abels came from Maryland and then uh in like before the revolution.
• 15:12
  Paul Abell: Right after the revolution with getting the land grants from the Revolutionary War.
• 15:16
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 15:17
  Paul Abell: They settled most of the ones that they came along with the the group they came with was uh Catholics.
• 15:25
  Paul Abell: And they came with the Cats.
• 15:26
  Paul Abell: Oh, from Maryland, let me say that.
• 15:28
  Crista Cowan: From Maryland, yeah.
• 15:28
  Paul Abell: So they came to Rolling Fort, Washington, Nelson, in Marion County.
• 15:33
  Paul Abell: It's called Roland Fort.
• 15:35
  Paul Abell: So that's where the Catholic settlement started or in of course hence Marion County, Maryland, you know.
• 15:42
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 15:42
  Paul Abell: So that's where they got that.
• 15:44
  Crista Cowan: But your family wasn't Catholic.
• 15:46
  Paul Abell: Yes, they were.
• 15:46
  Paul Abell: They were.
• 15:47
  Paul Abell: Oh, my was Catholic.
• 15:48
  Paul Abell: They came with that.
• 15:49
  Paul Abell: And then my uh grandparent that came, uh, for some reason or other he didn't stay at Rolling Fort long.
• 15:56
  Paul Abell: He came over to Casey Creek with with another set of Catholics.
• 16:02
  Paul Abell: Okay.
• 16:03
  Paul Abell: And then we've been there ever since.
• 16:06
  Paul Abell: And then so that was Joshua and uh the third great grandparent.
• 16:14
  Paul Abell: And then on the other side, the one uh other other grandparents.
• 16:19
  Paul Abell: Well, my my to back it up a little bit, my my uh father's mom and dad are third cousins.
• 16:29
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 16:30
  Paul Abell: So they came down together, you know.
• 16:33
  Crista Cowan: Cause when you start getting on some of those little creeks and haulers in Kentucky, there's not a lot of people to choose from.
• 16:43
  Paul Abell: You know, and they're Catholic.
• 16:45
  Crista Cowan: They're Catholic and they said a lot of people to choose from because of that, too.
• 16:48
  Crista Cowan: Right.
• 16:48
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 16:49
  Paul Abell: And so they came down and then the Wethingtons, my mom was a Wellington, and they came came down with them from Maryland.
• 16:59
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 17:00
  Crista Cowan: So So y'all have been there a long time.
• 17:03
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 17:04
  Paul Abell: Um Yeah, like 18, I think about 18, um the earliest was was about uh 1840, 18 18, right after the revolution.
• 17:18
  Crista Cowan: So they're going after their land grants from their service.
• 17:20
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 17:21
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 17:21
  Crista Cowan: Um is that true on your mom's side as well, Caitlin?
• 17:25
  Caitlyn Bruns: Yes.
• 17:25
  Caitlyn Bruns: Not all of the the bat the branches, but we're definitely the one uh Revolutionary War person that had the land grant and came over to.
• 17:35
  Caitlyn Bruns: Okay.
• 17:36
  Paul Abell: Uh my my wife's side came from North Carolina, Virginia.
• 17:40
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 17:41
  Paul Abell: Mine pretty much strictly come from Maryland, but they all came through on land grants.
• 17:46
  Paul Abell: But they they come, they come down and up.
• 17:49
  Paul Abell: Mine came down and old and old, you know, only but they they settled there.
• 17:55
  Paul Abell: And uh hers was mostly from North Carolina and Virginia.
• 17:59
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 18:00
  Crista Cowan: And so what like did you grow up, Caitlin, knowing like this kind of history and some of these stories, or is this something that you've just gotten into since you've worked here?
• 18:11
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um, so dad was doing ancestry when it, you know, ancestry.com when it first came out, when I was in elementary school, um, he had two uncles that were really into it.
• 18:25
  Caitlyn Bruns: And kind of the next generation from them was passed on to dad.
• 18:30
  Caitlyn Bruns: Okay.
• 18:31
  Caitlyn Bruns: You're an OG customer.
• 18:34
  Caitlyn Bruns: I love that.
• 18:35
  Caitlyn Bruns: When it was on the C D.
• 18:37
  Paul Abell: Yeah, uh C D.
• 18:39
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 18:42
  Crista Cowan: That's amazing.
• 18:43
  Crista Cowan: So what was the draw?
• 18:45
  Crista Cowan: Like, if you've lived in the same place for generations, if you know your family stories, like what was it that you were trying to do?
• 18:52
  Paul Abell: Well, that was a problem.
• 18:53
  Paul Abell: I didn't have a draw for a long time.
• 18:55
  Paul Abell: I had a I had a second, my dad's uh first cousin, my second cousin, he was really into it in this uh Cincinnati Library.
• 19:06
  Paul Abell: He was the librarian there, and he did a lot of genealogy there.
• 19:12
  Paul Abell: And then my uncle Alan Thomas is in Ohio and he did a lot, and they tried to get me interested, like as a child.
• 19:19
  Paul Abell: I've I've got a little uh pedigree, so to speak, of one, you know, earlier and they would give me this and that, and I just I was like, I already know all that and it and but then when she came along and I thought I need to check out and just sort of dig a little deeper.
• 19:39
  Paul Abell: And then lots of times you probably don't know this, but lots of times stories that you think are there, you'll find out a little different.
• 19:48
  Paul Abell: Wow, I and I know you don't you haven't figured that out yet, but you'll and then there'll be some it's that you haven't heard of or whatever, but but uh so tell me oh so I oh I have so many questions.
• 20:02
  Crista Cowan: So tell me, is there like some tall tale in your family that you like grew up hearing or believing that you proved was not true?
• 20:10
  Paul Abell: Well, I mean I'm still pursuing.
• 20:13
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 20:15
  Paul Abell: But um the for the for the American uh for the Civil War is one of them.
• 20:22
  Paul Abell: I'll I'll tell this in real quick.
• 20:24
  Paul Abell: The Civil War, uh I supposed I had two great grandpaws that fought one Confederate, one Union.
• 20:32
  Paul Abell: And then my digging, I see that there's both Union.
• 20:38
  Paul Abell: But there's a 10th uh regiment that depending on how you write it down, there's one in Confederate and there's one in Union, but the information I have, you know, I always was told that uh the two great grandparents fought against each other, or you know, not fought against each other, but they're on different sides.
• 21:02
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 21:02
  Paul Abell: Uh they went different ways or whatever.
• 21:04
  Crista Cowan: But well, and Kentucky is notorious for that, right?
• 21:07
  Paul Abell: Well, we're we're they're a border state.
• 21:09
  Paul Abell: People neither know or speak, and they brothers fought.
• 21:12
  Paul Abell: There's some cases that actual brothers fought against each other or so.
• 21:19
  Paul Abell: But that that's one or a woman, and there's just a lot of a lot of different stuff that you try to figure out if it's true or not.
• 21:31
  Crista Cowan: So you're so your uncles couldn't get you interested in family history, but you know, the birth of a child will do that, right?
• 21:37
  Crista Cowan: Like all of a sudden people have this spark of interest, and now it sounds like that just was all the hook you needed to get into.
• 21:44
  Paul Abell: Yeah, it did it was.
• 21:45
  Paul Abell: And then um, I mean, I just it it's fascinating though, even though they're not really big tails or whatever, you know, just to see and see how they migrated and some of the stuff that they went through to get to who they're at and Well maybe and yeah.
• 22:02
  Paul Abell: It's just pretty interesting.
• 22:04
  Crista Cowan: I love that.
• 22:05
  Crista Cowan: So Caitlin, there's a there's a family cabin, right?
• 22:09
  Crista Cowan: Tell me about that.
• 22:10
  Caitlyn Bruns: So his grandparents' house is about a mile from my green and granddaddy's house, his parents' house.
• 22:20
  Caitlyn Bruns: And they had passed before I was born, but we'd always go to Green and Granddaddies and he'd say, There's Mim and Papa's house.
• 22:28
  Caitlyn Bruns: And um now, since my grandparents have passed, it's been passed on to Daddy.
• 22:34
  Caitlyn Bruns: And um it's kind of just a nice place to go.
• 22:38
  Caitlyn Bruns: It's right on Casey Creek.
• 22:40
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um very pretty scenery around there, but it's actually three cabins, as far as I understand, if this is right, three cabins put together.
• 22:50
  Caitlyn Bruns: And the cabins have their own life prior to the house.
• 22:55
  Caitlyn Bruns: And one was a post office and one was a general store.
• 23:00
  Caitlyn Bruns: All right.
• 23:00
  Caitlyn Bruns: And then there's also a smoke house back there.
• 23:03
  Caitlyn Bruns: So it's a whole property.
• 23:05
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 23:06
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 23:06
  Crista Cowan: And so were those buildings moved from somewhere else to the property, or were they always there?
• 23:12
  Paul Abell: The way the way the I understand it they was to get they're in an L shape, the three that were made the house, there's two up front and then there's one behind it, and then the smokehouse is behind it.
• 23:23
  Paul Abell: And it still has the physical outside uh logs.
• 23:28
  Paul Abell: And in 1876, when my great-grandmother, she married the Abel from the Sanders side, they were the ones that owned this at the time.
• 23:39
  Paul Abell: Then they enclosed that the dog trot and all that stuff, you know.
• 23:44
  Paul Abell: They enclosed that and made a L-shaped farmhouse.
• 23:47
  Paul Abell: And it's got the white weatherboarding.
• 23:49
  Paul Abell: You know, it still got the wood weatherboarding on the side.
• 23:54
  Paul Abell: I got I acquired it in 2010 when my dad died.
• 23:59
  Paul Abell: I bought it from my mom.
• 24:00
  Paul Abell: So then I tore all the floors out and put them back in.
• 24:06
  Paul Abell: And when my siblings or whoever comes, they stay there and then I deer hunt.
• 24:13
  Paul Abell: So I go up there and stay.
• 24:15
  Paul Abell: Or sometimes uh when she comes home or whatever, we'll we might stay out there or something.
• 24:20
  Paul Abell: But it's sort of and then now in the last since I retired, when my could take it back a little further, when my grandparents were living, they would be as many as a hundred to her, like at Mother's Day, Father's Day, or Thanksgiving or Christmas.
• 24:36
  Paul Abell: You didn't know who was going to show up.
• 24:38
  Paul Abell: And when I mean a hundred, I'm not I mean a hundred.
• 24:41
  Paul Abell: No, I I'm not estimating, you know.
• 24:44
  Paul Abell: And then uh so over the years it sort of went up to my to my parents, you know, after my grandparents passed.
• 24:52
  Paul Abell: But my dad got it from my grandmother before she died, he bought it off of her.
• 24:57
  Paul Abell: And then uh now, since I've retired, I sort of brought it back up for a family or a community family thing.
• 25:06
  Paul Abell: So I had a big turtle cook.
• 25:09
  Paul Abell: Uh what is a turtle cook?
• 25:11
  Paul Abell: Well, you you know what a snapping turtle is?
• 25:16
  Paul Abell: Uh-huh.
• 25:17
  Paul Abell: Okay.
• 25:17
  Paul Abell: So in the spring.
• 25:19
  Crista Cowan: How big are they?
• 25:20
  Paul Abell: Well, it depends.
• 25:21
  Paul Abell: The biggest one we had wouldn't fit in a five-gallon bucket this year.
• 25:24
  Paul Abell: It was it was about this big.
• 25:26
  Crista Cowan: Oh my goodness.
• 25:27
  Paul Abell: But they range in different you don't want a little one, they don't have much meat on them, but they ra you know, they raise around.
• 25:33
  Paul Abell: So we and then some of my cousins on the Wellington side, we gathered them up and got them ready, and then we had a big turtle cook.
• 25:42
  Paul Abell: We had about a hundred.
• 25:43
  Paul Abell: Do you broil them?
• 25:44
  Paul Abell: Do you barbecue them with two?
• 25:46
  Paul Abell: Well, no, you you sort of cook them like chicken.
• 25:49
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 25:50
  Paul Abell: Uh you with your own little we we put them in a uh electric skillet and cooked them until they was almost done, and then you butter them up real good and put them in rentals wrap and put them in the oven for another two hours, about 200 degrees.
• 26:06
  Paul Abell: And then we also had deer, elk, uh rabbit, fish on the side if you want to like turtle.
• 26:16
  Crista Cowan: I've never I've had a lot of things, but I have never had turtle.
• 26:19
  Paul Abell: You need to try.
• 26:20
  Crista Cowan: Apparently.
• 26:21
  Paul Abell: Just don't think about it, it's a turtle, just what you need to try.
• 26:25
  Paul Abell: But anyway, uh so I've sort of sort of redone that.
• 26:30
  Paul Abell: And then like I've got a couple of brothers that hunt, so during deer season we'll stay there.
• 26:35
  Paul Abell: So now it's sort of like um like a family retreat?
• 26:39
  Paul Abell: Family retreat, sort of, or yeah.
• 26:42
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 26:42
  Paul Abell: So we've used it for that.
• 26:44
  Crista Cowan: Is that like why did you get it and not any of your other siblings?
• 26:50
  Paul Abell: Well there.
• 26:56
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 26:57
  Paul Abell: No, uh, I don't I don't really know.
• 26:59
  Paul Abell: My mom asked me, and before she asked anybody else, I said yes.
• 27:03
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 27:04
  Crista Cowan: Do you think maybe it has something to do with the fact that he invites everybody there?
• 27:07
  Crista Cowan: Would everybody have been as generous as that?
• 27:10
  Crista Cowan: Maybe not.
• 27:11
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 27:11
  Crista Cowan: Maybe, right?
• 27:13
  Paul Abell: Probably sure.
• 27:14
  Crista Cowan: Yeah, I mean, it sounds like you understand the importance of family and you've been involved in family history and you know the stories, and so you understand the significance of that place.
• 27:22
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 27:22
  Paul Abell: In a way that maybe they don't all that's that's probably a good way to put it.
• 27:26
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 27:26
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 27:27
  Crista Cowan: That's amazing.
• 27:28
  Crista Cowan: Are there pictures or other family heirlooms at the at the cabin?
• 27:33
  Crista Cowan: Tell me about that.
• 27:34
  Paul Abell: Well, I've just tried uh what I had.
• 27:36
  Paul Abell: Some uh some of the farm equipment used is is uh hanging around, and then uh pictures of different ones, and I'm adding to it all the time, you know.
• 27:46
  Paul Abell: And then some of my siblings will give give me something that maybe they got.
• 27:51
  Paul Abell: I got a rocking chair that my great-grandmother had.
• 27:55
  Paul Abell: And then my dad had a uh quilt that my great-grandmother had that wasn't quilted, and my mom quilted it.
• 28:05
  Paul Abell: And I acquired it off of her.
• 28:07
  Paul Abell: It's a tumbling block tumbling block pattern.
• 28:10
  Crista Cowan: I don't know.
• 28:10
  Crista Cowan: I do know what that is.
• 28:12
  Paul Abell: I have several quilts, this but they hang around up there too.
• 28:16
  Crista Cowan: That's amazing.
• 28:16
  Paul Abell: Me and my wife.
• 28:17
  Paul Abell: Well, we don't have as many now 'cause Caitlin and Norley take up uh they get the ones they want.
• 28:23
  Paul Abell: But we have, I don't know, sixty or seventy quilts or something.
• 28:28
  Paul Abell: Wow.
• 28:29
  Paul Abell: We have several that my mom and grandmother that lived there uh quilted themselves, you know.
• 28:36
  Crista Cowan: So That's beautiful.
• 28:37
  Paul Abell: But I have pictures and and just a lot of uh stuff.
• 28:41
  Paul Abell: I had an aunt that didn't marry till she was fifty-one, so she got a lot of the um able stuff.
• 28:48
  Paul Abell: And then later on in her years, she gave it to me.
• 28:52
  Paul Abell: And some of it she gave it to me before I had the house.
• 28:57
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 28:57
  Paul Abell: And then after I got it, then she gave me a lot more.
• 29:00
  Paul Abell: She knew I was gonna do something with it, so I put it back in there, you know.
• 29:05
  Crista Cowan: So thoughtful.
• 29:06
  Crista Cowan: I love that.
• 29:07
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 29:07
  Crista Cowan: Um, you know, uh, you grew up an only child, but with these nine older siblings of your dad's, do you know how many first cousins you have?
• 29:16
  Crista Cowan: Thirty-two.
• 29:17
  Crista Cowan: That you you knew that number right off the top of your head.
• 29:21
  Crista Cowan: So even though you're the youngest, did you like have relationships with them as you were growing up?
• 29:26
  Caitlyn Bruns: Oh yeah.
• 29:27
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um, there's a lot that are um there's a lot of girls kind of towards the tail end, and they're probably between three and five years older than me.
• 29:38
  Caitlyn Bruns: There's four in that range.
• 29:39
  Caitlyn Bruns: So I hung out with them a lot, and they'd take me out and you know, I learned some things earlier than maybe some other people would have learned some things.
• 29:51
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um but and then I have um a boy cousin, Matt, that came down to western uh Kentucky and went to school, and he would babysit me a lot.
• 30:05
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um, and I had a really kind of close relationship with me because he would just take me wherever he was going and I would hang out with him and his friends.
• 30:14
  Caitlyn Bruns: And um I really appreciated having that time and he didn't treat me like he was babysitting me, but that's definitely what he was doing.
• 30:25
  Crista Cowan: Nice.
• 30:25
  Crista Cowan: And then like with your aunt with your aunts and uncles, you also I assume had relationships with them.
• 30:31
  Crista Cowan: Did everybody stay close or did they kind of spread out?
• 30:34
  Caitlyn Bruns: Seven of them stayed very close.
• 30:36
  Caitlyn Bruns: And then there's I have an uncle in Texas, uh, aunt in Colorado who went there and stayed after graduating high school.
• 30:47
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um, and then an aunt in New York.
• 30:50
  Caitlyn Bruns: Okay.
• 30:51
  Crista Cowan: So a few of them have scattered.
• 30:54
  Crista Cowan: But uh does anybody like, you know, now that you own this property, it sounds like you have some gatherings together, but has there been another big gathering?
• 31:02
  Crista Cowan: Are there plans for a big reunion of everybody?
• 31:05
  Paul Abell: I've had four or five years ago, I had about 100 at Christmas.
• 31:10
  Paul Abell: And then in June, I had 60 or 70.
• 31:16
  Paul Abell: The no siblings that live away, they came in.
• 31:20
  Paul Abell: And it's hard now.
• 31:22
  Paul Abell: People were, you know, and this and that, and they got their own families.
• 31:26
  Paul Abell: But I I had one back in June.
• 31:28
  Paul Abell: Uh and then I planned uh I've already got four scheduled for a neck this coming this coming year.
• 31:36
  Paul Abell: I love that.
• 31:37
  Paul Abell: So and people can come and a lot of them are cousins that come, you know, that live there close still, and uh but are family friends or whatever, or people I grew up with, and a lot of people uh that I grew up with I didn't get to see until actually I had that turtle cup.
• 31:55
  Paul Abell: And then, you know, we reunited or whatever.
• 31:58
  Crista Cowan: And how many of those people you grew up with are you actually related to?
• 32:01
  Paul Abell: Well, I don't know.
• 32:02
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 32:03
  Paul Abell: Pretty much everybody up in that Wyoming.
• 32:07
  Caitlyn Bruns: One thing we didn't say is that so I grew up in Bowen Green like an hour away, but my parents now have moved back to Adara County.
• 32:14
  Caitlyn Bruns: They're in my mom's parents' house now.
• 32:17
  Caitlyn Bruns: So that's why it's easier to have more of these things.
• 32:21
  Caitlyn Bruns: Right.
• 32:22
  Paul Abell: That's when I retired, then we remodel, we we acquired her parents' house also.
• 32:28
  Paul Abell: So when then when I retired, we remodeled it and got it fixed.
• 32:34
  Caitlyn Bruns: But it's in town.
• 32:35
  Paul Abell: It's in town.
• 32:36
  Paul Abell: Where she grew up.
• 32:37
  Paul Abell: It's where she grew up.
• 32:38
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 32:38
  Paul Abell: It's the house she grew up in.
• 32:40
  Paul Abell: So we live there and then I'm twenty miles from from this.
• 32:44
  Crista Cowan: From the cabin.
• 32:45
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 32:46
  Crista Cowan: Okay.
• 32:46
  Crista Cowan: And what's the name of the town?
• 32:48
  Paul Abell: Columbia, Kentucky.
• 32:49
  Crista Cowan: Columbia.
• 32:50
  Paul Abell: And then the cabin's in Rowley.
• 32:52
  Paul Abell: It used to be called K it was called the post office was Casey Creek, Kentucky.
• 32:56
  Paul Abell: But now the address is Columbia.
• 32:59
  Paul Abell: They the it's closed since I grew up.
• 33:02
  Paul Abell: The the the little uh post office is closed.
• 33:06
  Paul Abell: But getting back to the cabin, William Riley Sanders was the one that uh had the cabins, you know, and then he was the postmaster at this she said that he used to be a post office, sir.
• 33:20
  Paul Abell: He was a postmaster two different uh times in his time.
• 33:25
  Paul Abell: And then his daughter acquired it, which is my great-grandmother, and then her son, my grandfather, uh Joseph Clarenceable, he was post all he was he carried the mail on a mule and then went to a Jeep, and then my dad carried the mail.
• 33:46
  Paul Abell: And then I worked for UPS.
• 33:52
  Crista Cowan: So you don't just have deep Kentucky routes, you've got deep community service registers.
• 33:56
  Paul Abell: Deep service routes, and then my brother carried the mail too.
• 33:59
  Paul Abell: That one in Texas, he retired from the post office.
• 34:02
  Paul Abell: So that post office just sort of had a little line in there, you know, you know.
• 34:07
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 34:07
  Crista Cowan: The post office has family history too.
• 34:10
  Paul Abell: Right.
• 34:10
  Crista Cowan: I love that.
• 34:11
  Crista Cowan: That's within the yeah.
• 34:12
  Crista Cowan: That's amazing.
• 34:13
  Crista Cowan: So Caitlin has 32 first cousins on you on her daddy's side.
• 34:17
  Crista Cowan: Do you know how many you have?
• 34:19
  Paul Abell: Oh no.
• 34:20
  Paul Abell: I'm finding them every day.
• 34:23
  Paul Abell: First first cousins, I don't know, I I probably I don't I don't know.
• 34:30
  Paul Abell: Probably 50.
• 34:32
  Paul Abell: Okay.
• 34:32
  Paul Abell: Because everybody had I I haven't really counted on.
• 34:36
  Crista Cowan: And then because your family's been there for generations, right?
• 34:39
  Crista Cowan: Like second cousins and third cousins.
• 34:41
  Crista Cowan: Friends was family.
• 34:42
  Paul Abell: You know what I mean?
• 34:43
  Paul Abell: So you didn't really think of them as cousins, you know, unless you was talking with somebody else.
• 34:50
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 34:50
  Paul Abell: But growing up, they was friends.
• 34:53
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 34:53
  Paul Abell: You know, that's who you went hunting with or double dating or, you know, worked with or whatever, you know, or what whatever you was doing, you know.
• 35:04
  Paul Abell: Yeah.
• 35:04
  Paul Abell: But it was a lot.
• 35:07
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 35:07
  Crista Cowan: I think there's something really unique about living in that kind of a community, though, right?
• 35:13
  Paul Abell: Well, you didn't want to mess with nobody in there.
• 35:15
  Crista Cowan: Right.
• 35:16
  Paul Abell: Because we all looked out for each other.
• 35:19
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 35:19
  Crista Cowan: Yeah, absolutely.
• 35:20
  Crista Cowan: I mean, uh Caitlyn, what is it about growing up in Kentucky and in that kind of an environment and that kind of a family that you realize maybe growing up seemed normal, but now you're like, that was really unique and special.
• 35:36
  Caitlyn Bruns: I think just like seeing both sets of my grandparents all the time was something that is very unique and something that most people don't get to do.
• 35:45
  Caitlyn Bruns: Yeah.
• 35:46
  Caitlyn Bruns: Yeah.
• 35:46
  Caitlyn Bruns: What does it mean to you to be from Kentucky?
• 35:50
  Caitlyn Bruns: Um, I think it is one of those things, like there's a saying that I've heard, and they probably say this about every state, but people from Kentucky are either coming home or they're at home or they've been at home.
• 36:03
  Caitlyn Bruns: And I think Kentucky always feels like home.
• 36:07
  Caitlyn Bruns: And when I say that, it, you know, it's that's where I'm from.
• 36:10
  Caitlyn Bruns: I really feel like I'm a Kentucky person.
• 36:13
  Caitlyn Bruns: It doesn't matter how long I'm gonna be in Utah.
• 36:16
  Caitlyn Bruns: I don't know that I'll ever be in a Utah.
• 36:19
  Crista Cowan: And yet somehow you manage to escape without the accent.
• 36:23
  Caitlyn Bruns: Yeah.
• 36:25
  Crista Cowan: Stor some stories on that.
• 36:26
  Crista Cowan: But that's fine.
• 36:29
  Crista Cowan: Paul, what about you?
• 36:31
  Crista Cowan: What does it mean to be from Kentucky?
• 36:33
  Paul Abell: Well, I I was born and bred there, so that's where I call home.
• 36:39
  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
• 36:40
  Crista Cowan: You never never thought about leaving?
• 36:43
  Paul Abell: Not no, I'd never hell.
• 36:44
  Paul Abell: You know, a lot of a lot of people do us, but I went to Bowling Green, which was uh was about eighty, ninety miles away.
• 36:54
  Paul Abell: And I was too far then.
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  Crista Cowan: Yeah.
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  Paul Abell: Sound like But I mean I was still in Kentucky, but I was too far from home.
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  Paul Abell: Yeah.
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  Paul Abell: I mean, you know, home place, you know, but uh I'm just one of those that uh satisfied with where I was at, you know.
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  Crista Cowan: Well, it sounds like a beautiful place, and there is something to be said for having deep roots in a place.
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  Crista Cowan: And I think it's really admirable and beautiful that you're caring for your family heritage the way you are.
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  Crista Cowan: I think that's really lovely.
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  Crista Cowan: Thank you both for being here.
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  Crista Cowan: I appreciate your appreciate your depth of connection to Kentucky, but also just lovely hearing you share family stories together.
• 37:36
  Caitlyn Bruns: Thank you for having us.
• 37:37
  Paul Abell: Thanks for having us.
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  Paul Abell: Appreciate it.
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