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The Saga of Paul and Morgan · Rachel Oates

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  Tender. Oh, can't live with it.
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  Can't live without it. You can definitely live without
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  it. But we lived with it and it
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  worked. There are some people, trolls
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  who are always like Paul is always making Morgan talk about
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  her past. It's disgusting.
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  He should be ashamed. You're no better, Paul.
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  That you were a virgin and she wasn't.
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  And this is you need to treat your wife like she is a delicate
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  base. That is hard for me to do.
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  Let's not beat her on the Bush. We voted for Trump.
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  You don't fall asleep all I'd love you with it.
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  No, I wish we did. I'd like to go to bed snuggling.
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  Hey, no, no, no, we're not putting this in the we need to
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  work. You just act like I never gave
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  you any movie. All marriages take hard,
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  stinking work. Just confusion to a new level.
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  You can't be they then people. You can't.
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  I'm sorry. Pick one or the other at least.
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  Could we not have said that about slave owners?
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  Could we not have said cut that out?
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  This is about slave owners rights.
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  Yeah. I don't like when they lump like
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  anyone that's in opposition to their lifestyle as these hater
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  jerks hated and love it. What are you going to do,
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  haters? It's a great day.
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  I'm pumped. I'm pumped.
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  I feel terrible. I just don't really want to be
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  processing this on camera. OK, knowing that we have a
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  millionators who are going to make stupid videos about this,
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  well, us, your marriage and Morgan's sitting here, blah,
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  blah, blah. Well, it's a lot.
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  Yeah. It's it again.
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  It's hard. It's some people are going to
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  watch this and and probably not get it.
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  Others, I think are going to watch it and actually have a
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  tonne of empathy. Hey, everyone.
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  Welcome back to another video. My name is Rachel, and this
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  gorgeous little girl here. Do you want anything with you
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  up? This gorgeous girl?
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  It's Kyra. Go.
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  Careful, Angel. This little baby has a little
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  bit her two legs today and her poor, poor girl.
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  So you're OK, aren't you, babes? Yeah.
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  She just needs a little bit of love, a little bit of attention.
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  And I'm also struggling a little bit.
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  For those of you who don't know, I've been dealing with chronic
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  pain for the last like, well, several months.
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  But it's ramped up worse never the last 2-3 months in
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  particular. And I am dealing with constant
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  daily pain in either my uterus or my hips.
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  So I'm constantly exhausted. I'm struggling quite a bit.
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  So thank you for bearing with me today and over the last few
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  months. Because when you're constantly
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  in pain, everything is harder. But let's go on with today's
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  video. Today's video is probably the
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  biggest project I have ever taken on, and it has been a slog
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  to get through. From starting research to
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  filming, today has already been exactly 4 weeks.
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  This has been a massive project with 100 and odd hours that have
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  already gone into it. I don't quite know how long this
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  video is going to be, but I suspect it's going to be very
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  long, which is why I split it up in 2 chapters for you, each
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  focusing on a different era or time period of content that
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  we're going to look at, or a different style of content.
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  I wanted to make sure I was doing this topic justice by
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  being as thorough and detailed as possible in order to
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  represent the subject to the video in the fairest way
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  possible. I want to show both the good and
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  the bad, the highlights and the low points.
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  Today we are going to be taking a look at the online lives of
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  Christian married content creators Paul and Morgan.
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  This video is also probably going to be a little more clip
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  space than usual, and there's going to be long periods of me
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  like showing compilations of clips that I've put together in
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  order to prove a point, rather than just me talking at you for
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  long periods of time. Because the main focus of this
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  video is to take you through a timeline to point out some
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  things and maybe ask you a few questions about it and let you
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  come to your own conclusions. Paul and Morgan are two of the
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  most talked about Fundy content creators online.
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  And today I'm not here to just condemn everything they've ever
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  done, but instead I want to try and take you and myself on a
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  journey to try and understand who they are, why they believe
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  and do the things they do. I want to show their humans like
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  a little bit more and of course try and combat a little bit of
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  the harmful content they put out.
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  And most importantly, ask how did they get here?
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  Please remember that these are real people, not fictional
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  characters. They have real feelings and
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  experiences and family and friends.
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  They are incredibly interesting to look at because they have
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  lived so much of their lives online and shown as so much of
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  themselves. It's kind of fascinating because
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  on the one hand, it seems that they've tried to very carefully
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  construct an image of who they are online.
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  However, they also seem to lack any real self-awareness or
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  introspection, so when we do see certain glimpses of the real
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  them, they can't understand why people don't like that or are
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  critical of it. I also feel incredibly
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  conflicted about titling this video, the saga of Paul and
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  Morgan like I think I'm going to.
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  I've been worried in the past about using the word saga
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  because. And I said that I didn't really
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  want to use it anymore because I worry that it makes it sound too
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  much like a fictional story and it stops people seeing the
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  subjects of the video as real people, as real humans.
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  I don't want to dehumanise them. But I also feel like with Paul
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  and Morgan specifically, they have been posting for such a
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  long period of time and there have been so many twists and
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  turns in the types of content they post and the personas they
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  try and put forward and the eras of their content, if you will.
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  And I also feel like their online content and personas have
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  become such an ingrained part of who they actually are that the
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  only word that feels appropriate to use is saga.
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  I can't think of a better, more accurate word than that.
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  And that's why on this occasion, I do feel OK using it again, but
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  only with the disclaimer that Please remember, this isn't
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  fiction, this isn't the story. These are real people with real
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  lives and real feelings. Please be considerate about
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  everything you say about them going forward.
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  I think one of the biggest topics I'm going to be focusing
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  on in this video is that they seem to have fallen in, is that
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  they seem to have fallen into this trap of being rewarded for
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  negative behaviour online and so they often try and exaggerate
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  this and show more negative behaviour in order to get more
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  attention. They can't seem to differentiate
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  between positive attention and negative attention.
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  To them, any attention is a good thing, so it's kind of difficult
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  to say whether the negativity we see from them now is their
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  online personas slipping into real life and affecting them, or
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  whether they're actually just so miserable in real life that they
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  can't do anything to hide it anymore.
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  But either way, it's clear that the Paul Morgan we see online
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  today is very different to the Paul Morgan who started
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  outposting back in 2017. And the change that we've seen,
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  who they've become today, it feels quite concerning.
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  And I think it deserves discussing and looking at and
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  asking, like I said earlier, how did we get here?
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  So let's jump into Chapter 1, Paul Morgan before YouTube.
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  So let's introduce ourselves to Paul and Morgan.
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  Paul Oligus was born in 1989 and according to the Internet, he
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  has a cosmetology degree. According to his Instagram
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  account and things that he said in multiple videos, he worked as
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  a hairdresser for a while. He was also an aspiring model
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  for a while and worked a few jobs but didn't really do
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  anything too big or major. And he also spent a little bit
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  of time working with very young children.
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  According to his Instagram account, he used to be all about
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  posting things he'd made and loved doing online.
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  He would post about hanging out with his friends with no concern
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  for modesty, showing off his children's fantasy book which he
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  wrote a little bit more on that later, and he would also post a
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  lot of art that he made and drawings that he did.
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  He also had no problems with dressing in a slightly more
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  feminine or at least not traditionally masculine way,
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  with flamboyant colours, tight fabrics and he was absolutely
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  fine with men cross dressing for humorous photos and social media
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  posts. When he and Morgan met, they
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  seemed like a regular cute couple.
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  At first. There were no concerns about her
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  modesty and he seemed very happy to accept her and post her
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  online as the way she was, in modest dress and all.
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  Morgan was born Morgan Hawley in 1994 in Kentucky.
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  She also started out trying to be a model for a while and it
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  seems that she had a little bit more success than Paul and did a
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  few more bigger shoots than him but still nothing major.
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  It's also nice to look back at her Instagram post at this time
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  in her life because we see her looking genuinely happy and
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  posting about things like girls nights out, which is something I
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  don't think I've ever seen from her since she's been married to
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  Paul. She seemed a lot more
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  comfortable in herself than she is now and like Paul, clearly
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  enjoyed wearing fun but definitely not modest clothing.
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  She's spent a lot of time posting bikini photos or photos
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  of herself in other clothes that her today would call revealing
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  or immodest, or she would shame other women for wearing.
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  She eventually began to work as a musician, mostly a singer, and
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  she eventually joined a YouTube channel called You Idol, where
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  she made music videos covering popular songs that were
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  absolutely no way modest or Christian.
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  Hey guys, I'm Morgan Holly. I'm from Louisville, KY.
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  My sisters and my brother are my best friends and so I spent a
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  lot of time with them just being goofy and silly at the house.
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  I don't really try to be silly, I'm just that's me.
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  They were often sexual songs and she often more provocative
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  outfits in the videos. And you know what she actually
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  looked like she was having fun. It's just a very different
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  Morgan to what we know today. This is all of you, none of me.
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  Put your hands out on my body and tell me.
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  Enjoying the ride. Is there a problem, Officer?
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  What's the hurry? The night's still young.
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  Sorry. I was going to.
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  I'm going to need you to step out of the car, up against the
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  car. Spread your feet.
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  Turn around. Drive in one of her very first
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  videos for You Idol where she was introducing herself, she
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  opened up about being bullied in school.
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  Her summary is that there were kids who had problems at home
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  and so they took all of their hurt feelings out on her.
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  And this is quite interesting, isn't it?
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  And that's the thing, hurt people often go on to hurt
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  people. I was in public school from
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  preschool to 7th grade, and the end of 7th grade my mom and dad
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  decided to Take Me Out of public school and home school me.
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  There was just a lot of mean people who I'm sure had problems
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  at home. And so they come to school and
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  they take it out on people who might not have as many problems
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  or don't show those problems. And I was one of those people
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  who got it taken out on me. So it got to a point where I
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  just couldn't really handle it when I was bullied.
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  And for years after, I kind of like, I don't know, I was angry
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  inside and frustrated and confused.
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  I didn't understand why I always was the one to be bullied.
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  The older I get, the more I want to share that with other kids,
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  just letting them know that they're important and that if
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  they don't believe in themselves, they need to know
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  that other people believe in them.
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  I believe in them. It just feels kind of ironic
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  that this is where she started online and she was so aware of
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  why people behave this way and how much it can hurt others.
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  And yet over the last couple of years, she has spent so much of
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  her time online literally bullying people less fortunate
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  than her and bullying people more vulnerable than her.
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  And it's just a little bit gross to see.
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  You kind of have to ask. And This is why I think this
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  video is going to be interesting.
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  What happened to go from this like clearly lovely young woman
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  who genuinely cares about others to the exhausted, hate filled
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  woman who couldn't care less who she hurts and who's human rights
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  she votes to take away. It's such a dramatic downturn.
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  It's like, how do you get there? Before meeting Paul, Morgan
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  dated a man for 3 1/2 years and as many young women are, she was
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  sexually active with this man. She talks about this to this
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  day. However, it also feels like
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  something that Paul repeatedly brings up to shame her for,
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  which is quite difficult as a viewer to see, but let's hear
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  her talk about it. Yes, I thought of today's video
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  topic. There are some people trolls who
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  are always like Paul is always making Morgan talk about her
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  past. It's disgusting.
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  He should be ashamed. You're no better Paul.
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  That you were a virgin and she wasn't OK.
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  Everyone shut it. I was 17 years old.
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  I had just gotten out of, I dated 2 guys, OK between 15 and
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  17, one for like 2 years and one for three months.
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  I was sitting down one day and I remember praying to the Lord
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  God, the next guy that you put in my life is going to be my
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  husband. So I was very much in the
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  mindset of like date to marry. And you know, I was raised in a
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  Christian home. I was raised that sex is
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  beautiful within marriage. I know that.
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  I just said that's where this tragedy begins.
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  It's a beautiful redemption arc. OK, I was signed with a
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  modelling agency and I met this guy kind of through there we on
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  our first date. He also says the same things of
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  I'm a virgin. I'm saving sex for marriage.
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  I'm I look at dating as like I want to find a wife through the
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  that's why dates. It's not just for the heck of
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  it. So all right, we began dating,
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  and eight months into the relationship, we broke up.
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  We had not done anything other than kiss on the lips.
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  The thought of being alone, like, made me get back together
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  with him. Boundaries.
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  We would have conversations where we would cross a boundary
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  and then I would sit him down and be like, we can't do that
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  again. We're not crossing that boundary
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  again. And he'd be like, OK, And then
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  it wasn't like, and this is how we're not going to cross the
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  boundary. We would just cross the boundary
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  again and then cross another boundary.
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  I don't want to say like, he manipulated me, but I don't
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  really have any other words to say.
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  And Morgan, this is after you guys have already started having
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  sex. Yes.
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  So you're OK. You're going to back up though,
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  right? Yes.
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  OK, But he was telling me like, we can't tell people that we
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  crossed this line. We can't tell people that we did
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  this because they'll break us up.
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  They'll we'll get in big trouble.
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  Like whatever. I just had this very like
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  irrational fear. So I was never talking to anyone
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  about my relationship with this guy.
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  So we had sex and there was probably a few months, maybe
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  like 2:00-ish months, three months where I, part of me, I
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  think enjoyed how like secretive and like, oh, we're being so
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  sneaky and going against what we know we're supposed to do.
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  Like, like Sin was fun for a season for me.
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  And then it all just came crashing down real fast.
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  Guys, this guy's not going to be my husband.
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  But now I've given him a piece of me that like I can't ever get
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  back. And I mean, just so you guys
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  know, like, this wasn't me being like, now I want to do a video
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  talking about someone who didn't mess up in that area.
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  So everybody calm down. He's not on a high Mars some
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  riding around because I watched Morgan's last video and she said
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  that that fear was a part of her upbringing of you know, don't
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  have sex before marriage because you could get pregnant and and
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  you'll go to hell for me. I'm not saying it was like
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  totally different than that, but I think what I heard coming from
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  my parents was Paul don't have sex before marriage.
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  It says in the Bible not to growing up.
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  Everything was pointed back to the word of God in God's laws.
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  So like for me, that was enough that sunk in.
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  All right, so when we got married, you were 26.
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  I was you were a virgin, right? 26 year old virgin you I was
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  your first kiss on the lips. Yes.
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  So I was your first everything. Yeah.
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  And I'm. I'm super thankful for that.
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  And not to say that when you told me that you were not a
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  virgin, I didn't have to process some things and think through
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  some things. Now I do want to give the caveat
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  of there are people that wait and treasure saving sex so
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  greatly that it can can be very difficult for them to get past.
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  There is such a thing as asking for forgiveness.
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  And you know, when you're looking to marry someone and
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  you've, you know, sinned in an area like First off, you better
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  have asked for forgiveness to God.
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  Humble yourself, stop matter what the sin was, yeah, sex or
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  whatever. And I do think it's appropriate
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  to ask the person that you may end up marrying for forgiveness
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  for a sin you've committed that is probably going to affect them
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  to some level. It's just like wow, like the way
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  he has handled all of this, especially as I learned more
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  about him and how pure he was and how innocent I was like Oh
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  my goodness what? I am not worthy of this guy.
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  And I even told him I tried to end the relationship because I
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  did not feel worthy of dating him.
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  I was like you're too godly for me.
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  I messed up. I have baggage like you don't
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  need that. And he was like, no.
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  Paul also says he dated a few people before Morgan, but not
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  quite as seriously. One of his relationships, he
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  says, last about four months, but apparently the others were
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  only like one or two dates here and there.
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  He's also spoken about this in numerous videos.
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  I did not date at all in high school.
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  I to me, I, I actually, even though I would consider myself,
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  I was whatever, fairly cool, athletic, but you know, but
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  listen, he had exact everyone poster in his locker.
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  You're really going to drop that now?
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  You're really going to drop that now.
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  I was I was, you know, gotta keep you humble.
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  But I I genuinely had some some awkwardness and anxiety at even
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  the thought of dating someone. Then sophomore year of college,
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  I had one relationship that lasted for a little while,
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  obviously sophomore year of college.
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  But then after that, nothing for the next couple years.
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  I started having a desire, OK, I want to start looking for a
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  wife. I really don't want to go out
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  with someone unless they're going to be my spouse.
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  Yeah, it is definitely awkward and a little uncomfortable.
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  I did not have that issue. But I see what you're saying.
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  OK. There was a girl that I was kind
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  of interested in. I texted her.
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  I remember texting her and saying, hey, blank, you're never
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  going to get it out of me. I said, hey, blank.
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  Oh, that's hilarious. Would you?
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  I think I said, would you want to go out on a date with me or
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  would you want to go on a coffee date with me?
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  But I use the word date. I'm almost certain.
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  Morgan by and and and from that point, I'm guessing I probably
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  went out with just in the next. I mean, I I was going out with
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  50 girls. You said no, no, no, there is no
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  way. It was 20.
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  It was 50 hands down 50, but it was it was quite a few.
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  It felt like it was enough to the point where going out with
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  so many girls, I began to, I began to really understand what
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  qualities were important to me and what qualities were not.
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  It rarely took more than three, maybe four dates for me to be
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  like, OK, this isn't going to move towards marriage.
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  And often times it just took one date.
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  Very often, like more often than not.
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  Paul and Morgan met on Tinder, which is not exactly traditional
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  for fundies, but here we are and they have told their story of
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  how they met quite a number of times.
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  Let's take a look at some of those clips.
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  I was over the idea of dating to look for someone to marry.
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  I was like, I just did that for 3 1/2 years, like believing that
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  I was gonna marry this guy. I'm over that.
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  All right? So I'm just gonna go on some
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  dates with some guys for fun. They'll Take Me Out of fancy
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  places. It'll be great.
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  She was not in the best of places, to be honest.
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  I was not OK. I was a mess.
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  My friend and I had made myself a Tinder account.
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  Tinder. Oh, can't live with it.
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  Can't live without it. You can definitely live without
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  it. Definitely.
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  But we lived with it and it worked.
• 22:07
  And it worked totally. Like a joke, like I was not
• 22:11
  really planning to actually go out on dates.
• 22:13
  I ended up going out on one other date besides Paul.
• 22:16
  It wasn't a joke for me. And then Paul came along.
• 22:20
  That's interesting that. So I came into the picture four
• 22:24
  months after you got out of a 3 1/2 year long relationship.
• 22:27
  That wasn't a great situation. Some people would say like don't
• 22:31
  do that, don't do that. Give yourself more time.
• 22:34
  You know, I'm a good man. But but I was, I had my I wasn't
• 22:39
  no perfect Prince Charming. No.
• 22:41
  From when we met to when we got married, like there was anyway,
• 22:44
  just all right. Morgan Hawley, she's got all
• 22:47
  these cutesy pictures of her in Miami.
• 22:51
  It looks like she's doing music. I'm intrigued.
• 22:54
  But in her bio, and maybe not a lot of people know this.
• 22:58
  Oh no, don't do this, ladies. Don't do this.
• 23:01
  Please. In her bio, it said something
• 23:04
  like, I like to snuggle or cuddle or cuddle or and so I
• 23:09
  look at that and I'm just like, pass.
• 23:11
  That just sounds I'm just going to be honest.
• 23:13
  It just sounds loose to me realising, whoa, there's
• 23:16
  something special about this girl.
• 23:18
  I'm looking for a wife. So I'm not messing around with
• 23:20
  the questions I'm asking. So I'm I'm hitting her with some
• 23:23
  tough questions to see. Is this girl way out there or is
• 23:27
  she someone who has a heart for the Lord And maybe it's just a
• 23:31
  little edgy. I saw her and I immediately was
• 23:34
  like, she is really attractive. That was that was my first
• 23:38
  thought. I just took a sigh of relief
• 23:41
  probably and I was like, she showed up and she's as
• 23:44
  attractive as she was on her pictures.
• 23:47
  I was pumped. We walk around this book
• 23:50
  convention for a long time and then we're hungry, so we go to
• 23:54
  this pizza place and what do I know about 6 of Paul's best
• 24:00
  friends show off out of nowhere and they're like, we just happen
• 24:06
  to be here. And I'm not totally sure how
• 24:09
  that all. Yeah.
• 24:10
  How did that happen? Like, did I invite five of my
• 24:14
  friends to come kind of join us on the second-half of our date?
• 24:18
  But I met them and they were amazing.
• 24:20
  Basically he just, he said he's like, yeah, I'm not messing
• 24:23
  around. Like I'm not dating to date.
• 24:25
  I'm looking for a wife. I was just kind of like, OK,
• 24:28
  well, I think I said something like, Oh well, I'm not getting
• 24:31
  married for like another five years or something like that.
• 24:34
  Something. And in my mind, for whatever
• 24:36
  reason, I was like, we'll see about that.
• 24:39
  Like I didn't say that, but I was thinking like, uh huh.
• 24:43
  Four months later and we were engaged, y'all.
• 24:46
  One thing that I didn't mention is when we first like walked up
• 24:49
  to each other and met for the very first time, I went in to
• 24:51
  like give him a hug and he goes, hey, what's up?
• 24:57
  Did I really give me a high 5? I didn't even do like, I didn't
• 25:00
  even do a side hug. When Paul met Morgan, Morgan had
• 25:03
  only been single for four months and after four months of dating
• 25:07
  Paul, they got engaged. So after being out of a 3 1/2
• 25:13
  year relationship for just eight months, Morgan was already
• 25:16
  engaged to another man. They told the story of this
• 25:21
  engagement with quite a click baity title of our proposal.
• 25:25
  Things get spicy. Which is definitely a choice.
• 25:29
  It's been exactly 1 year. I'm not normally a very, what's
• 25:37
  the word, romantic guy. I'm not big on surprises, but I
• 25:41
  wanted to try to surprise Morgan.
• 25:43
  She gets here and she's like my whole family.
• 25:47
  Well, almost my whole family is right behind me and I'm
• 25:50
  immediately going to panic mode because I put my foot down and I
• 25:54
  said, Morgan, I'm not quite hungry yet.
• 25:56
  Sounded super selfish and I said we're going on a walk.
• 26:00
  I was so mad down memory lane, dude.
• 26:04
  She was giving me the hardest time.
• 26:07
  She was having none of it. And I was having none of it
• 26:11
  because I was going to get her in that stinking bookstore, get
• 26:15
  her in the stinking chair next to the candle that I lit on the
• 26:19
  upper floor next to the book that I camouflaged and was going
• 26:25
  to pull out for her to read. Take a book out and I'll just
• 26:29
  read a little to you. And I was like, read to me, read
• 26:33
  to me. I really like that She said it
• 26:35
  exactly like that. I open up the book and I'm just
• 26:38
  like, in her state of mind, she was not about to pick up on any
• 26:41
  of my clothes. I start reading.
• 26:43
  We get through page one. She's not enjoying it.
• 26:46
  Page 3. And this is where it gets good.
• 26:48
  We flip over to page 4. I wrote down in my neatest
• 26:52
  handwriting right in the middle. I said just then 4 words popped
• 26:58
  into Pooh's head I love you M and I'm still like this.
• 27:02
  And Paul like nudges me and was like look at that.
• 27:05
  Nothing made sense. I had her read this I had her
• 27:09
  read this and he's like they just want this one day.
• 27:13
  And I was like she gets to this part.
• 27:17
  Ain't nobody in the world but you and I who mumbled to the
• 27:21
  wind. She reads her favourite song
• 27:24
  lyrics in a Winnie the Pooh book.
• 27:28
  She says that's cute. All right.
• 27:30
  Can you turn the page? I had her turn the page.
• 27:34
  Cry a little bit. I said Morgan, Renee.
• 27:43
  Holly. I said your middle name.
• 27:45
  Will you marry me? What did you do?
• 27:49
  Thank you Lord, for giving me the strength to persevere even
• 27:53
  in the midst of a hangry, crazy woman.
• 27:57
  They were then married just four months later on July the 15th,
• 28:01
  so at this point they'd known each other for around 8 months.
• 28:03
  Morgan hadn't even been out of a relationship 12 months when they
• 28:06
  got married. It all feels ridiculously fast
• 28:09
  to me, but it is pretty common among fundies and it's something
• 28:12
  that they are not only proud of, but that they actually actively
• 28:15
  encouraging others, which again, is a choice.
• 28:17
  It's a very loud motorbike outside.
• 28:20
  The wedding itself was eventful and this is a clip you may have
• 28:23
  seen many times before as Morgan had to stop the ceremony midway
• 28:26
  through to go throw up. Rewind one year.
• 28:29
  Let's go back. July 15th.
• 28:32
  The doors close for the bride to get ready to come out.
• 28:37
  We start walking down the aisle. I'm feeling good.
• 28:40
  Paul's bawling like a baby. He was literally weeping it was
• 28:47
  so sweet. Can't leave our family.
• 28:49
  Love you well and my own Thank you.
• 29:01
  It's my. However, she's getting sick.
• 29:10
  It's just tolerant. It's very emotional.
• 29:14
  And she didn't just run off, Morgan.
• 29:16
  You legitimately vomited before you even got off the stage.
• 29:19
  And as I was running, I was throwing up in my hands.
• 29:23
  She got on her dress. She runs in the bathroom.
• 29:27
  We're all out there. I was already crying, but it was
• 29:29
  tears of joy. Now it's tears of fear.
• 29:32
  Fear. People thought that I was like
• 29:34
  running away. And here's the the crazy thing.
• 29:37
  Thinking back on it, I was at the part of my vows where I was
• 29:40
  getting really vulnerable with Morgan and I thought through
• 29:43
  this and I was going to say like that I can't take care of you,
• 29:47
  but I know God can and he's going to use me and empower me.
• 29:50
  So I read the vows and this is what came out.
• 29:53
  Morgan, I know that I can't take care of you, She snapped.
• 30:02
  I come back and I'm ready to go. I want Paul to finish his vows
• 30:09
  and I want to say mine and get it over with.
• 30:13
  I'm a big believer that women and honestly just people in
• 30:15
  general should really listen to their bodies and their gut
• 30:17
  instincts. And I'll just say if you feel
• 30:20
  like your body is in such a state that it has to vomit from
• 30:25
  anxiety, fear, whatever, it's probably telling you something
• 30:28
  you should listen to. Approximately 3 months after the
• 30:31
  wedding, Paul and Morgan set up their YouTube channel and
• 30:33
  started making content together. And this is again, so
• 30:36
  interesting because they've barely spent any time together.
• 30:40
  Not on YouTube. They dated and were engaged for
• 30:44
  eight months in total. They have three months married
• 30:46
  and then they started YouTube. And the eight months of dating
• 30:50
  must been so intense because they were fundies who were
• 30:52
  trying not to overstep their own boundaries.
• 30:54
  And then a couple of months into marriage, they're suddenly
• 30:56
  trying to get to know each other.
• 30:57
  And they have this physical relationship like they've never
• 30:59
  had before. And that's all new.
• 31:01
  And they're living together, which is something they've never
• 31:03
  done with a couple before. And that's all new.
• 31:05
  And they're trying to get to know each other and figure
• 31:06
  things out. And then all of a sudden,
• 31:08
  they're on YouTube and their relationship is just out there
• 31:10
  for everyone to see and everyone to judge.
• 31:12
  And everyone did. They posted very openly about
• 31:17
  their relationship from the very beginning, allowing everyone to
• 31:21
  see every little gritty detail and judge them for it.
• 31:27
  And not only that, it's got to be so hard to really get to know
• 31:30
  each other when you're both kind of constantly performing for the
• 31:32
  camera. This is something you'll see
• 31:34
  throughout the video right up to the very last chapter where it
• 31:37
  feels like the camera, the YouTube viewer has always been
• 31:41
  an intrusive third person in their relationship.
• 31:44
  And I think that has led to their relationship suffering,
• 31:48
  their mental health suffering, and it's not been a good thing
• 31:50
  for their careers. So let's start by taking a look
• 31:53
  at their early years on YouTube. Paul and Morgan's first YouTube
• 31:56
  video that is at least still available today was uploaded on
• 31:59
  the 9th of November 2016. Sorry, I was wrong before.
• 32:03
  This was just four months after their wedding, not three months,
• 32:06
  and just about a year after they first met.
• 32:08
  Their content started off simply vlogs, trying to give nice
• 32:12
  advice to people and talk about their relationship history.
• 32:14
  The vlogs mostly felt like cute, regular coupley content, nothing
• 32:18
  too interesting, but nothing controversial either.
• 32:20
  There was also a lot of Paul focusing on Morgan's body, you
• 32:23
  know, filming her bum in leggings while they walked,
• 32:26
  getting her to pose for the camera.
• 32:27
  Her outfits were ones that she would not be OK with someone
• 32:30
  wearing today because she would say that they're not modest
• 32:35
  enough. So she really has changed quite
• 32:37
  a lot. What do you think in New York
• 32:39
  City, Morgan? I think it's crazy and it has a
• 32:42
  little smell. We arrived in New York City a
• 32:47
  little bit late. We are walking through Chinatown
• 32:50
  to get on a transit babe. What do you got to say?
• 32:56
  That's exactly how I feel. It's 508 and I'm about to take
• 33:00
  my lovely wife on a date. She's wearing high waist jeans
• 33:07
  and she has the cat eyeliner. Yes, my favourite.
• 33:13
  Wait babe, they didn't get a good look.
• 33:16
  Give them a spin. Lovely.
• 33:21
  You look so good. And Speaking of a lack of
• 33:24
  modesty at the time, while today Paul and Morgan make whole
• 33:27
  videos ranting about women wearing leggings to the gym or
• 33:30
  crop tops in public and how that's disgusting and
• 33:32
  disgraceful. You're causing your brothers to
• 33:35
  stumble and it's not modest snuff and blah blah blah.
• 33:38
  And they were not always like this because when Paul and
• 33:41
  Morgan first started their YouTube channel, they would
• 33:43
  happily post videos of themselves in skimpy swimwear
• 33:46
  doing hot tub vlogs in Florida. Clearly their values have
• 33:50
  changed a lot over the years. What's up guys?
• 33:58
  So I thought since we're here in Florida, we got to post a video.
• 34:01
  What about hot tub conversation with our very own my mom and my
• 34:07
  brother? Come on mom, bring her in.
• 34:10
  Look at this lady. Look at these boys.
• 34:12
  Look at this lady. Little Angel.
• 34:14
  Question for my mom. What is the number one thing a
• 34:17
  young lady should look for in a man completely loves the Lord,
• 34:23
  but. But also to show that he rejects
• 34:26
  the world. Give me some examples in sports
• 34:28
  if he's obsessed with sports, right.
• 34:32
  You really don't want to continue seeing someone past
• 34:35
  three, maybe four dates before you know, this is someone I want
• 34:39
  to pursue marriage with. Morgan, I would like to know if
• 34:41
  you agree or disagree with Mom's statements.
• 34:45
  Well, yeah, I agree with what she just said.
• 34:47
  But for Stevens, holding hands and stuff, after a month, I
• 34:52
  think it was like 3 months before you and I, you've also
• 34:56
  kind of have to laugh at the relationship advice here because
• 34:59
  this is Paul's mum saying run from a man obsessed with sport.
• 35:03
  So I kind of wonder what she thinks of her son today in his
• 35:06
  pickleball obsession. But don't worry, we're going to
• 35:09
  get to that in like 20 chapters time.
• 35:13
  At this time, Morgan also spoke out quite a lot against
• 35:16
  bullying, sharing stories about how she was bullied her entire
• 35:18
  life, something which I, and I'm sure a lot of you can actually
• 35:21
  relate to quite a lot, sadly. And I think it's commendable
• 35:25
  that she wanted to speak out about this at the time.
• 35:27
  She also seemed to have a lot of empathy for the bullies and kind
• 35:30
  of extend a lot of forgiveness and kindness, which was really
• 35:32
  nice to see. Something that I don't think the
• 35:35
  Morgan of today would do or say. I was bullied my entire life,
• 35:41
  but instead of talking about all the times that I was bullying, I
• 35:47
  want to talk about the actual bully.
• 35:49
  Now that I'm an adult, I can see something that I couldn't see
• 35:52
  back when I was a kid or a teenager.
• 35:55
  The person behind the bully. The issue behind the bully.
• 35:59
  Because behind a bully there's a mom who doesn't know how to love
• 36:04
  her daughter. There's a dad who takes his
• 36:07
  anger out on his son. There's a brother or sister who
• 36:14
  is mean to their sibling. It's not like they just are this
• 36:19
  awful, hateful, hurtful person. They're probably being hurt by
• 36:24
  someone else or something else. I also think it's kind of
• 36:27
  interesting but sad to see how far she has come because not
• 36:30
  only does she not show that kind of kindness to others, but she
• 36:33
  has become the bully herself. And again, it's sad to see kind
• 36:38
  of how far she's fallen today. People online have suggested
• 36:41
  that Morgan is so hateful towards others because she's
• 36:43
  miserable in her own life and marriage.
• 36:45
  And I reckon Pastor Morgan would say the same if she saw someone
• 36:48
  behaving like she is now. But I don't think this is
• 36:51
  something that the Morgan of today would see your, I believe.
• 36:56
  So. It's just kind of interesting to
• 36:58
  compare. I don't know.
• 37:00
  During this time, they're also happy to try and share some of
• 37:03
  their own creative projects online, like in this solo video
• 37:06
  where Paul reads as a passage from his children's fantasy
• 37:08
  novel that he was working on. And I genuinely just want to
• 37:11
  know what happened to this. I really do.
• 37:13
  And I mean, sure, it's a little cringy, but ultimately, it's
• 37:17
  harmless. Like, we can't be mad at this,
• 37:19
  right? 1230 I had to move seats.
• 37:31
  So what I thought is, why not read for you a little bit of my
• 37:37
  book that I've been writing? Two unlikely elf orphans have to
• 37:43
  save their village from monsters.
• 37:45
  Here we go, Chapter 1. The wind hummed with
• 37:50
  anticipation. He darted about like ghosts,
• 37:54
  unseen and unheard. There were 12 warriors in my
• 37:57
  patrol. I had selected them all.
• 38:00
  We were the finest that the Monster Protection squadron, the
• 38:04
  MPs, could offer. I came up behind a patch of
• 38:08
  ferns and raised a fist to signal a halt.
• 38:12
  I scanned the wood. Nothing moved.
• 38:15
  One of our number crept close and whispered.
• 38:18
  They're not here. I drew a deep breath and focused
• 38:22
  my senses. Wait. 5 seconds passed 10
• 38:26
  seconds. A tree branch twitched.
• 38:29
  Fan out. I ordered.
• 38:31
  My keen elvish eyes caught the Sheen of flashing metal.
• 38:36
  I leapt to the side as an arrow pierced my Fern covering.
• 38:40
  But Morgan was also being creative at this time.
• 38:42
  She would post song covers on YouTube, which did pretty well,
• 38:46
  and I can't help but feel like it's a bit of a shame that they
• 38:48
  don't do fun creative stuff like this today, or that they didn't
• 38:51
  keep on down this path instead of choosing bigotry.
• 38:54
  It's not to say they weren't also pushing harmful beliefs at
• 38:57
  the time, though. Right from the very early days
• 38:59
  of their channel they did, which is a shame.
• 39:01
  They've kind of always been this way to some degree, just not as
• 39:04
  extreme as they are now. In one of the very first videos
• 39:07
  they posted, they did push conservative.
• 39:11
  Their second ever video was titled Trump winning Cats and
• 39:14
  God. And it's interesting because I
• 39:16
  think a lot of people online think that Paul is the really
• 39:18
  extreme 1 and he's the one who's more bigoted.
• 39:21
  But Morgan was the one pushing the strong conservative values
• 39:24
  from the beginning. And having watched several 100
• 39:28
  hours of their content, I wish I was joking about that.
• 39:31
  I do think that Morgan is the one who is less accepting and
• 39:37
  especially when it comes to LGBTQ plus issues, she's far
• 39:41
  less accepting of any of that stuff than Paul is.
• 39:44
  But we'll, we'll get to that. Anything.
• 39:46
  This was her idea, not mine. I like to go for the big thing.
• 39:51
  So let's talk about the president-elect and the
• 39:55
  president not elect. Let's not beat her on the Bush.
• 39:59
  We voted for Trump not because we think that.
• 40:04
  He's amazing or a godly man. I was really depressed to see
• 40:09
  all the comments and statuses. Like literally, my heart kind of
• 40:15
  cracked a little. You posted something on Facebook
• 40:17
  that I liked. You said that it is a time.
• 40:20
  Whether you're one of those who really was disappointed that
• 40:24
  Trump won or that you're very excited, get on your knees and
• 40:27
  spend some time praying and asking God.
• 40:31
  Lord, lead President Trump to lead his mind and to lead his
• 40:36
  heart. So they made a few videos but
• 40:38
  none of them really got many views until they started talking
• 40:41
  specifically about their relationship, in particular the
• 40:44
  negative aspects of it. We've already seen clips from
• 40:46
  them talking about their first date and wedding, but this is
• 40:49
  also when they started posting clips of them arguing with each
• 40:52
  other to try and show what a real raw relationship was like.
• 40:55
  However, every person who's ever been in a healthy relationship
• 40:58
  saw these clips and was immediately concerned because
• 41:01
  this is not normal or healthy and this is when their channel
• 41:06
  started to gain viewers. But only because people were
• 41:08
  either hate watching or watching out of concern or were just
• 41:11
  genuinely confused why a couple would post this thinking it was
• 41:16
  normal. It started out with the
• 41:18
  intention of hey, let us give you marriage advice and ended up
• 41:21
  with hey watches argue on camera.
• 41:24
  I should mention at this point as we're going to watch more
• 41:26
  clips. They were also doing their
• 41:27
  really annoying intro at this point where they were singing
• 41:29
  the they were singing this Paul and Morgan the Paul and Morgan
• 41:36
  show. I did actually find this quite
• 41:38
  interesting though when I was reviewing this because as
• 41:42
  annoying as this is and it will get stuck in your head, I have
• 41:45
  been having nightmares about this.
• 41:47
  I've been having nightmares about Paula Morgan.
• 41:48
  To be honest. I oh, I had a dream the other
• 41:50
  night that I got the and if you've been watching Severance,
• 41:53
  I got the severance procedure done specifically so I could
• 41:56
  work on this video. So my innie would do all the
• 41:58
  work on the video and my aunt, you wouldn't have to remember
• 42:00
  it. Anyway, that was my dream.
• 42:03
  I was even going with this, right?
• 42:05
  Yes, as annoying as this song is, at least they were having
• 42:09
  fun doing it and at least they were being silly and you could
• 42:11
  tell they actually liked making the videos.
• 42:14
  At this point I feel like when they stopped singing their
• 42:16
  intros is when they stopped having fun making these videos
• 42:19
  and it felt like more of a chore to them.
• 42:21
  And it's when they kind of stepped up their hatefulness
• 42:25
  even more as well, which is interesting.
• 42:28
  Oh, would you say this is a controversial video?
• 42:32
  Anything's a controversy these days.
• 42:35
  Should you save kissing for marriage It's only kissing,
• 42:42
  right? Wrong.
• 42:46
  I wanted my first kiss to be when the woman now kiss your
• 42:50
  wife when the pastor said that I dated a woman for four months
• 42:54
  and during that time we never kissed on the lips and I was
• 42:58
  like no, because I'm saving it for marriage.
• 43:00
  I started dating dating Morgan and everything changed.
• 43:05
  I put a spell on him. OK not exactly.
• 43:08
  It didn't exactly change. I wanted to kiss him like she
• 43:12
  was ready to kiss me 10 minutes into our first date.
• 43:16
  OK not true. I said get behind me.
• 43:18
  He did not kiss Morgan until I asked her parents for permission
• 43:22
  to marry her. They said yes.
• 43:24
  That same day I did kiss. Same day I did kiss Morgan.
• 43:28
  He plopped one on me and it was really nice.
• 43:30
  It was really nice, really nice. Do I look back on that day and
• 43:34
  wish I had saved it and waited until marriage?
• 43:38
  Honestly, a little bit. What if we would have saved
• 43:42
  kissing for our wedding day? I think that I don't think I
• 43:47
  would have made it. It would have slowed my emotions
• 43:50
  down. OK, let me talk.
• 43:52
  I've been talking too much, way too much, all over and out.
• 43:57
  Our roles as husbands and wives. It is our duty as a married
• 44:01
  couple to talk about this. You need to treat your wife like
• 44:06
  she is a delicate vase. That is hard for me to do
• 44:10
  sometimes. I just want to, like, get stuff
• 44:12
  out. That's on my mind.
• 44:13
  I want to challenge her if I feel like something's a little
• 44:16
  bit off. And these days women are like,
• 44:20
  no, I'm 1st I'm going to do what I want to do and if my man
• 44:25
  doesn't support me, then he's in the wrong.
• 44:28
  And I'm calling you ladies out, you're in the wrong.
• 44:31
  What I'm learning is that a wife's duty is to serve God by
• 44:37
  loving and supporting her husband even when he messes up.
• 44:40
  This is our one year anniversary video.
• 44:44
  Top five things that we've learned after one year of
• 44:47
  marriage. Choose your bottles.
• 44:50
  That was super hard for me because me being the way I am,
• 44:53
  whenever something came up that didn't seem just right, I would
• 44:57
  confront Morgan. And if you choose to try to
• 45:01
  fight every single battle, it is going to wear both of you out.
• 45:04
  It has helped us so much when we get into fights or when we can't
• 45:08
  really communicate well, to be able to go to friends and let
• 45:12
  them help us and encourage us and realise we're not alone.
• 45:15
  What can I do for Paulie? She does a lot for me, whatever.
• 45:23
  Well, I'll try to have the house clean for him because I really
• 45:27
  like to clean the house. I get stressed out and anxious
• 45:30
  when it's dirty. Not always super clean, but I
• 45:34
  try to at least pick up things. She knows how I get clean so she
• 45:37
  straightens up like each day. Big deal.
• 45:40
  I was just, I was just like dude, it's so hard.
• 45:44
  There are sometimes when it just kicks your butt and no amount of
• 45:48
  advice or counselling or I was telling him, man, before
• 45:53
  marriage, I thought I was close to the Lord.
• 45:57
  I thought my Christian faith was strong.
• 46:00
  I thought that I was pretty mature and a year into marriage
• 46:04
  almost, and I was sitting there feeling like, Dang, this is
• 46:07
  hard. I'm trying.
• 46:09
  I'm trying and it's hard, hard, hard.
• 46:11
  Being married humbles you. You see us in our videos, We
• 46:15
  have fun together. You get to have this best friend
• 46:19
  that's best, best, best best friend for the rest of your life
• 46:23
  who can't leave you when you're looking ugly and crying like a
• 46:28
  baby, a fat little baby when you're sitting on the toilet
• 46:32
  pooping and puking at the same time.
• 46:35
  There have been times when I've done something or said something
• 46:38
  to Morgan that's been so hurtful.
• 46:39
  And in the back of my mind, I'm like, it's nice knowing.
• 46:44
  It's nice knowing that she can't go anywhere.
• 46:49
  OK, That doesn't give you the right to say me.
• 46:52
  I feel guilty about it. You don't wake up every morning.
• 46:57
  Oh, kissy, kissy. No, OK.
• 47:02
  I wish we did. And you don't fall asleep all
• 47:05
  God love you with it. No, I wish we did.
• 47:09
  I'd like to go to bed snuggling. We do.
• 47:13
  OK. No, no, no, we're not putting
• 47:15
  this in the video. We need to work on this.
• 47:30
  All right, I hear what you're saying.
• 47:31
  Just move on to something else. You just act like I never give
• 47:39
  you any movie. Fine, it's fine.
• 47:44
  We need to move on. It's fine.
• 47:48
  We did not literally find any hope closure to that little
• 47:53
  scenario. Hey guys.
• 48:01
  So as you all could tell, it actually started getting kind of
• 48:05
  tense and it ended up we, we got in a fight and had to stop
• 48:13
  recording. On August the 3rd, 2017, Paul
• 48:16
  and Morgan announced the end of their first era, if you will,
• 48:21
  and the start of a new direction that they wanted to take their
• 48:23
  content in. You'll notice as we go on, they
• 48:26
  do this a lot, making big announcements of we're changing
• 48:29
  our content and then doing something either mildly
• 48:31
  different or very different. But either way, they they tend
• 48:34
  to have these eras. You're mid chaptering this video
• 48:36
  Very easy today we're gonna get real with y'all right Polly.
• 48:43
  Yeah, pus a little sad and I'm trying to make him feel better.
• 48:51
  So here we are almost a year later, just trying to figure out
• 48:57
  where we're supposed to go next with this channel.
• 49:00
  A lot of the times I get scared of failing or of it, of
• 49:06
  something not going anywhere. So I back off.
• 49:09
  I started to lose passion. For me, I don't have a lot of
• 49:13
  patience and everything. And so for us to like not have a
• 49:19
  tonne of subscribers at the very beginning or like nothing took
• 49:22
  off and I was like, what, like what's happening?
• 49:26
  And then, you know, Paul's trying to like keep me motivated
• 49:29
  and it's like it takes time, it takes work La La la.
• 49:33
  And I'm like, it's definitely there's been some tension and
• 49:37
  where I'm just like, Morgan, are we, we're in this right?
• 49:40
  Like, we're going to stick with this and to feel like she isn't
• 49:45
  excited or like, when I say, all right, it's time to film the
• 49:48
  video, and I feel like I'm pressuring her into filming it
• 49:51
  because really, she doesn't want to.
• 49:52
  Yeah. She hasn't been, I would say, as
• 49:55
  as supportive or invested as I would wish her to be.
• 49:59
  What are the type of videos that really connect with you all
• 50:01
  emotionally and that you all find, you know, beneficial to
• 50:08
  your lives? That's where I get most of my
• 50:10
  joy is knowing that like we're answering your alls comments and
• 50:14
  stuff and like doing what you all actually want to see.
• 50:18
  We just need to be asking you guys more and expecting you all
• 50:24
  to comment and let us know. This video is interesting
• 50:27
  though, because despite it only being a year into their channel,
• 50:30
  this was the first time Morgan expressed publicly not wanting
• 50:33
  to be a YouTube, not wanting to get on camera and film, and not
• 50:36
  having any passion for this. And it's something that we still
• 50:39
  see her complaining about today. And I feel like that's probably
• 50:42
  contributing to her low mood because she's kind of been
• 50:44
  forced into a career that it's not just a career, it's a
• 50:47
  lifestyle that she clearly doesn't want.
• 50:51
  Remember this because she brings it up again and again and again.
• 50:57
  It was following this video that their content changed in a
• 50:59
  couple of ways. For one, they started making way
• 51:02
  more Q&A videos, answering audience questions about
• 51:04
  themselves and their beliefs. And two, they started making
• 51:07
  more fundy centred content. For example, there should
• 51:10
  Christians do blank series and Christian couple shares, blah,
• 51:14
  blah, blah. This was where they start to get
• 51:17
  more extreme and their hypocrisy start to show a little bit
• 51:19
  because I think they were aiming more for how do we be as
• 51:22
  controversial as possible and gain as many views as possible
• 51:26
  instead of staying true to whatever their genuine beliefs
• 51:28
  were at the time. In the space of just a year,
• 51:31
  they went from hot tub vlogs in their swimwear and Paul filming
• 51:35
  Morgan's bumming leggings to videos like Should Christians
• 51:38
  Wear Yoga Pants? Which is just leggings.
• 51:42
  This video in particular is incredibly bizarre because Paul
• 51:44
  minds getting turned on by even the thought of saying the word
• 51:47
  yoga pants and then acts physically disgusted by the
• 51:50
  concept of a Christian wearing them, once again forgetting that
• 51:53
  his wife's wardrobe is like 60% yoga pants, that she basically
• 51:57
  lives in them. No wait, he just remember that
• 52:00
  she wears them just in time for him to shame her.
• 52:02
  What's up guys? I'm Paul, welcome to another
• 52:05
  episode of Should Christians. Today's topic, Should Christians
• 52:11
  wear? Why am I taking on this topic?
• 52:15
  I'm here extremely controversial because so many Christians wear
• 52:20
  yoga pants. Oh my wife, my lovely wife
• 52:25
  Morgan. Right before filming this video,
• 52:28
  I noticed her. She was in yoga pants.
• 52:30
  Man wearing leggings. OK leggings.
• 52:34
  Yoga pants though? Same category of clothing.
• 52:37
  Should Christians wear yoga pants?
• 52:39
  Their butts just need to be covered.
• 52:42
  There you go. I will say, though, that when I
• 52:43
  go to the gym, I don't cover my butt.
• 52:46
  The Christians wear yoga pants and kind of a roundabout answer
• 52:49
  there, but I would just say cover your booty booties if
• 52:55
  you're going to wear them. Oh, man, I was getting a little.
• 52:58
  I walked down. I told Morgan, like, I don't
• 53:02
  know what to do. I don't know what to say.
• 53:04
  Even Morgan's response here is crazy and it's full of
• 53:07
  hypocritical excuses because she says her stuff but she doesn't
• 53:09
  stick to it herself. We've seen her bum in leggings
• 53:13
  without anything covering it. She talks about not doing this
• 53:17
  at the gym, but again, give it a few years and she'll be shaming
• 53:19
  women at the gym for what they're wearing.
• 53:21
  And it's just she shames other women for doing what she
• 53:25
  currently does and has previously done.
• 53:27
  And it's just, yeah, they also made a number of videos at this
• 53:35
  time talking about unhealthy relationships and how to leave
• 53:38
  them. And I also wonder what current
• 53:40
  day them would feel about these videos.
• 53:43
  Morgan was also extra screechy and honestly just really weird
• 53:46
  during this period. If I had to sit through
• 53:48
  listening to this 40 times, you guys can put up with it once.
• 53:52
  What's up, guys? How you doing?
• 53:54
  I'm Paul. I'm Morgan and this is Paul and
• 54:00
  Morgan. The Paul and Morgan show 5 signs
• 54:04
  that you should break up and we're going to get into it.
• 54:07
  But just so you know, if these are happening in your dating
• 54:10
  relationship, it's time. My hair is, guys, be cool.
• 54:18
  She was just screaming and shouting a lot more than usual,
• 54:21
  making random noises, interrupting Paul a lot.
• 54:23
  It's very bizarre to see. I showed some of these clips to
• 54:27
  a friend who'd never heard of Paula Morgan before, and he was
• 54:29
  like, why is she acting like a child?
• 54:32
  Is this like a bit that they're doing?
• 54:33
  Is this a character she's putting on?
• 54:35
  Is she actually 16? And I was like, I don't know.
• 54:39
  I don't know why she's doing this.
• 54:44
  Leave a comment if you have any ideas because I don't know.
• 54:47
  Anyway, in regards to the actual content, apparently you should
• 54:50
  break up if your partner is pressuring you to do physical
• 54:52
  stuff you don't want to do. Which is absolutely fair.
• 54:55
  But apparently this doesn't apply to married couples because
• 54:57
  Paul has pressured Morgan and pushed her boundaries a lot, as
• 55:00
  we'll hear about later. But they're married so she can't
• 55:03
  dump him. Apparently if he or she is
• 55:06
  pressuring you to do things you don't want to do, so primarily
• 55:10
  physical stuff #2 sign. If they're making excuses on The
• 55:17
  Reg that I can't hang out today, there's a really powerful quote,
• 55:23
  don't go changing to try to please me.
• 55:27
  I think it's by Plato or Mozart again.
• 55:33
  I'd love to know what modern day Paul and Morgan would think
• 55:35
  about this where current day Paul is constantly out of the
• 55:39
  house, training for pickleball and avoiding his family at all
• 55:42
  hours of the day. Another big type of content they
• 55:44
  were making at the time was very sex focused.
• 55:46
  They were trying to be the Christian sex birds before
• 55:48
  Bethany Beale made it, well, not cool, but prominent.
• 55:54
  Their videos included titles like Should you have sex before
• 55:57
  marriage? Should Christians kiss before
• 55:59
  marriage, Saving yourself a marriage Is anyone waiting
• 56:03
  Practical tips for staying pure in your relationship.
• 56:06
  It's only hugging boundaries and Christian dating and five
• 56:09
  important things you should know before your wedding night.
• 56:13
  OK, admittedly it's a little more purity focused than just
• 56:15
  sex focused, but still, you get the point.
• 56:18
  Here is a selection of clips from those videos which all had
• 56:21
  pretty much the same message. I was born and raised a
• 56:24
  Christian. I was always taught to save sex
• 56:27
  for marriage. My mom and dad both taught me
• 56:29
  that very strongly. My mom very much ingrained that
• 56:33
  into my brain. So I grew up with somewhat of a
• 56:36
  fear of, OK, wow, if I have sex before marriage, one, I'm going
• 56:39
  to go to hell, 2, I'm going to have a baby.
• 56:42
  Three, my parents are probably going to disown me, which is not
• 56:45
  anything they ever said. I just kind of assumed that they
• 56:50
  were going to disown me if I had sex before marriage and they
• 56:53
  found out. You're going to get married
• 56:55
  without having tested the waters and had sex.
• 56:58
  What if there is absolutely no spark or no chemistry?
• 57:01
  Shut up. Thank bro.
• 57:05
  I think this is the first time Paul's ever gotten fired up over
• 57:08
  something. I'm blown away.
• 57:10
  Guys, this is kind of sexy. I'm so over that argument.
• 57:15
  What if you get married and you don't have sexual chemistry?
• 57:18
  It develops when you get married.
• 57:22
  There's going to be growth literally in every area.
• 57:25
  And it applies to sex too. And this is where I messed up
• 57:29
  was It's one thing to go into a relationship and say I'm not
• 57:33
  having sex until marriage. It's another thing to go into a
• 57:37
  relationship and be like, listen, I'm not having sex until
• 57:40
  marriage. And this is how we're going to
• 57:42
  make sure that doesn't happen. And like set very specific
• 57:45
  boundaries and stick to them. I know that a lot of you people
• 57:50
  here are gonna watch this video and be like, yeah, you shouldn't
• 57:54
  have sex before marriage, obviously.
• 57:56
  And then you know what? One day you're probably gonna
• 57:58
  end up having sex before she's getting passionate right off the
• 58:03
  bat for girls. Paul and I did not kiss until he
• 58:06
  asked my dad for permission to marry me.
• 58:08
  So like we knew like OK, the rings coming next.
• 58:13
  So I would say This is why you should wait till he gets your
• 58:16
  father's permission. Say that you guys did kiss in
• 58:20
  that week of dating and you decide it's not right and you go
• 58:23
  your separate ways as a female. There's just something about
• 58:28
  just like knowing that you kissed a guy, like even if you
• 58:31
  only dated him for a week, like you have that little small
• 58:34
  connection, you want to hold on to that.
• 58:37
  You don't want to feel broken hearted over a guy you only
• 58:40
  dated for a week. I know several people who did
• 58:43
  not have sex on the first night of their wedding and they really
• 58:46
  enjoyed the other things that they did leading up, right?
• 58:50
  They started perhaps doing some physical stuff, but they didn't
• 58:54
  go all the way. And that worked for them.
• 58:55
  I will be honest and say I wasn't about to let that happen
• 58:59
  on our wedding night. I mean, of course I would have
• 59:03
  if Morgan was like, Paul, please, let's, let's hold off.
• 59:05
  But for me it was like 26, almost 27 years.
• 59:10
  Kissing, kissing, long, long hugs.
• 59:13
  I'll give you guys a tip. Make it out very easily leads
• 59:17
  into other things. That's why we encourage you
• 59:20
  before marriage, you need to buy a lubricant.
• 59:24
  OK guys, we recommend it. We're not saying you have to,
• 59:27
  but a lot of people don't realise you need to lower your
• 59:31
  expectations or get rid of them and think to yourself, this
• 59:34
  could look a lot different than I thought it would.
• 59:36
  Well, that's crazy. What if you're not sexually
• 59:38
  compatible? You have the rest of your life
• 59:40
  to figure it out because you can become sexually compatible.
• 59:44
  OK. Paul and I, after three years of
• 59:47
  marriage, have come a long way. Yeah.
• 59:49
  And it's great. Does one of you want sex more
• 59:52
  than the other? How do you deal with that?
• 59:54
  So the answer is yes, I think it is.
• 59:59
  Yes. It may look different in
• 1:00:01
  different seasons because of our different desires for sex.
• 1:00:05
  We have set up a somewhat of a schedule.
• 1:00:09
  And if you have to make a little bit of a schedule, just so you
• 1:00:12
  know, like, OK, I can expect Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I'm
• 1:00:16
  gonna have sex and I just need to prepare my mind for that.
• 1:00:19
  You'll be good to go. There's also an interesting
• 1:00:22
  video I wanna bring up here, and this is should Christians use
• 1:00:25
  birth control? We don't have actual kids, but
• 1:00:27
  I'd like to think we have two kids, John and Mark, just
• 1:00:33
  starting out. I was like Morgan, I'm not
• 1:00:37
  really a huge fan of birth control.
• 1:00:38
  I had heard from some people but she was like oh but it's helped
• 1:00:42
  me with my hormones. She does a little more research
• 1:00:45
  and comes to the place where she's like and after doing some
• 1:00:48
  research into birth control I have found out that it's
• 1:00:52
  literally one of the worst pills a woman could ever get on.
• 1:00:56
  So I get off the pills. Several months later, like 8 or
• 1:01:00
  nine months later, I come to Paul and I tell him that I don't
• 1:01:05
  think we should be using any type of protection.
• 1:01:07
  That I had been talking to God and was telling him, like God, I
• 1:01:12
  trust you with my life, I trust you with my marriage.
• 1:01:15
  I trust you. I felt him say you don't trust
• 1:01:18
  me completely, and he revealed a few things to me and one of them
• 1:01:22
  was using protection. In my heart I was like, that
• 1:01:26
  feels right, That's the right thing to do, but I was scared.
• 1:01:29
  One of my reasons that I was scared to give that to God was
• 1:01:33
  that mentally I just felt like I was not prepared to have a kid.
• 1:01:37
  When you put God in control, He knows when you're ready, you're
• 1:01:41
  thinking. Kids and marriage are two very
• 1:01:43
  disconnected things that just doesn't sit super well with me.
• 1:01:47
  Again, this is very interesting because modern day Paul and
• 1:01:50
  Morgan have decided that once it affects them, they don't agree
• 1:01:54
  with this. As of roughly 3 months ago,
• 1:01:57
  Morgan did, according to this Reddit post, AQ and A on her
• 1:02:00
  Instagram page sometime yesterday and said that her
• 1:02:04
  thoughts have changed and that some people believe you should
• 1:02:06
  just trust the Lord as far as the amount of children go.
• 1:02:09
  But also that the the Lord gave us brains and intelligence and
• 1:02:12
  using that intelligence to prevent pregnancy is okay.
• 1:02:15
  Which she realises now because it's convenient for her.
• 1:02:18
  This is what the poster saying. I'm just reading it.
• 1:02:21
  But she also admitted to using condoms and the pull out method
• 1:02:23
  as contraception. She said that hormonal
• 1:02:25
  contraception was bad and even the copy copper IUD was awful
• 1:02:29
  for reasons. But the obviously some degree of
• 1:02:31
  family planning was OK as long as it doesn't come from a place
• 1:02:35
  of fear. Which is kind of ridiculous
• 1:02:37
  because hers is definitely coming from a place of fear
• 1:02:39
  because she does not want to be pregnant again.
• 1:02:42
  Her first pregnancy was hellish as we will see coming up.
• 1:02:46
  Her second pregnancy was also difficult but using the first
• 1:02:49
  but very unplanned and I don't think she could cope with a
• 1:02:52
  third kid. I think it is completely fair
• 1:02:55
  and reasonable that she is using birth control.
• 1:02:57
  I just think it's kind of hypocritical that she spent so
• 1:03:00
  long condemning other women for using it only to change her mind
• 1:03:04
  only when it was convenient for her.
• 1:03:07
  And even then she's kind of still condemning some others for
• 1:03:09
  using it and for using certain kinds.
• 1:03:11
  It's it's like, I'm not saying people can't change their minds,
• 1:03:15
  I'm just saying the reason why she's changed her mind is
• 1:03:19
  selfish and that makes for a bit of a hypocrite.
• 1:03:24
  Anyway, the thing about the original birth control video,
• 1:03:28
  this is what I want to focus on here, is that it's full of
• 1:03:30
  misinformation. It is full of fear mongering and
• 1:03:32
  it doesn't take into account that every single body which has
• 1:03:35
  a uterus is entirely different and what works for one person
• 1:03:38
  might not work for the others. There are lots and lots of
• 1:03:41
  options out there. They also conveniently ignore
• 1:03:43
  the fact that there are different kinds of birth
• 1:03:45
  control, not just the pill. Like I am an advocate for people
• 1:03:50
  using birth control for whatever reason they want and need,
• 1:03:53
  right? One of the reasons I'm in
• 1:03:56
  currently a lot of pain is because it turns out I have
• 1:04:01
  that. So I have the Marina coil and it
• 1:04:03
  turns out it is just too big for my uterus and it is constantly
• 1:04:07
  putting pressure on the sides. It's causing constant cramping.
• 1:04:10
  After I got it done, I had severe pain for the first six
• 1:04:13
  months and then it got a bit better and I was like Oh my God,
• 1:04:15
  it's changed my life. Everything is good.
• 1:04:18
  And then after about two months of being pain free, the daily
• 1:04:23
  cramping started again. And it's caused all these
• 1:04:24
  problems. And I'm currently going for
• 1:04:26
  scans to make sure there's no like permanent scarring or
• 1:04:30
  damage or anything and make sure there's nothing else going on.
• 1:04:32
  But I'm going to have to have that removed and then my doctors
• 1:04:35
  are going to try me with the injections instead, which is not
• 1:04:38
  ideal but it's better than nothing.
• 1:04:42
  But it just means I'm constantly cramping every single day and
• 1:04:46
  I'm in so much pain. But I'm never going to condemn
• 1:04:48
  the Marina coil for that because it's not the Marina coil's fault
• 1:04:51
  fault. The issue with this is that my
• 1:04:53
  uterus is too small. I already knew this.
• 1:04:56
  I have an abnormally small uterus.
• 1:04:58
  It's it's a fault with my body, and it means the birth control
• 1:05:01
  isn't right for me. That doesn't mean there's
• 1:05:03
  something inherently bad with that birth control.
• 1:05:05
  It works down wonders for so many people.
• 1:05:09
  It's just for me, it's not right for, you know, when I was on the
• 1:05:11
  pill that also like it messed with the other medication I'm
• 1:05:14
  on. That one's not right for me
• 1:05:16
  either. But I will find a birth control
• 1:05:18
  that works for me, that helps me manage my painful periods and my
• 1:05:22
  heavy periods. I just need time and to figure
• 1:05:26
  it out. You know, that doesn't mean all
• 1:05:28
  birth control is bad or that I'd ever tell other people they
• 1:05:31
  shouldn't even try it or, you know, they shouldn't use it or
• 1:05:34
  condemn other people for using it.
• 1:05:35
  It's, you've got to realise that every human body is completely
• 1:05:38
  different and especially amongst people with uteruses, every
• 1:05:42
  single body is different down there.
• 1:05:44
  Every single uterus and vagina is completely different.
• 1:05:48
  And there's no right or wrong, there's just different people
• 1:05:52
  are going to have different needs.
• 1:05:53
  You know, They also went all in on making biblical submission
• 1:05:57
  videos, which were pretty popular at the time, too.
• 1:06:00
  I think that from the very beginning, God made man to lead
• 1:06:04
  the woman and God to lead the man.
• 1:06:07
  But but I think that like, if Adam and Eve had not sinned, it
• 1:06:11
  wouldn't have been such a strife.
• 1:06:14
  That's an interesting point. The tension would not have been
• 1:06:17
  what God is suddenly saying, like here, now it's there's
• 1:06:20
  going to be some tension. Like there would be no desire in
• 1:06:23
  the woman to want to control. Interesting because the world
• 1:06:28
  would be perfect. You got an interesting point.
• 1:06:32
  I just think things would be so much easier even taking a bite
• 1:06:36
  of that fruit. Different roles but equally
• 1:06:38
  challenging but equally gratifying in this era.
• 1:06:41
  They start getting more pushback and criticism from not only
• 1:06:43
  atheist creators like myself and I think Jacqueline Glenn was the
• 1:06:46
  first one to ever make a response video to them, but they
• 1:06:50
  also start gaining criticism from their own audience.
• 1:06:54
  At one point they made a video titled Things Guys Wish Girls
• 1:06:57
  Knew, which led to one of their very first not apology videos,
• 1:07:02
  but responding to criticism videos in which they just double
• 1:07:06
  down on everything they said. Now this particular video
• 1:07:10
  features a guy called Michael who was a close friend and up
• 1:07:13
  until at least 2020 he was their housemate.
• 1:07:16
  He had featured in other videos before, one of which went viral,
• 1:07:19
  titled Christian Guys on Modesty Bikinis.
• 1:07:23
  But now I know what you might be thinking.
• 1:07:25
  How could they possibly have an issue with bikinis?
• 1:07:27
  We've all seen Morgan in plenty of bikinis, we've seen Paul's
• 1:07:30
  mum in a bikini, we've seen Paul in revealing swimwear, we've
• 1:07:34
  seen them both in a hot tub on this channel.
• 1:07:36
  It would be hypocritical for them to now shame other people
• 1:07:40
  for wearing bikinis, surely? But they do it anyway.
• 1:07:45
  As a guy who's looking for someone, it's important that,
• 1:07:50
  you know, I keep myself pure. And even a married guy like
• 1:07:52
  Paul, he wants to keep himself pure as well.
• 1:07:54
  I do. And so one of the things that's
• 1:07:55
  really helpful and beneficial for Christian guys is for
• 1:07:59
  Christian ladies. When you're thinking about
• 1:08:01
  something to wear, be conscientious of.
• 1:08:05
  Would this possibly be a stumbling block for my brother
• 1:08:08
  and I? I would appreciate
• 1:08:09
  responsibility. That is my that is my short
• 1:08:12
  answer. Agree with Michael, it's a
• 1:08:14
  shared responsibility. I heard someone the other day
• 1:08:17
  saying it falls all on the guys. I don't necessarily agree with
• 1:08:20
  that. I prefer someone who takes the
• 1:08:23
  time to wear nice clothes. Not that that's a prerequisite
• 1:08:28
  for you to date somebody, but I do think it shows they care
• 1:08:31
  about presenting themselves. And I think that's very classy
• 1:08:34
  and respectful. I personally would prefer a
• 1:08:37
  young lady if I'm pursuing her to, to wear one piece.
• 1:08:41
  Morgan has has worn a bikini before, but she likes to go high
• 1:08:46
  waisted and I, I appreciate that.
• 1:08:48
  So there's varying levels. There are varying levels.
• 1:08:50
  So there might be a bikini that is more modest than another
• 1:08:53
  bikini. Absolutely.
• 1:08:54
  As I was looking for a wife, I was like, I want a woman who is
• 1:08:56
  stylish and modest. Women you are called like think
• 1:08:59
  about your brothers and think about and, and try to, to help
• 1:09:03
  them him to not stumble to stay pure.
• 1:09:05
  This is even more hilarious when you realise that the guest here,
• 1:09:08
  Michael, one of his most recent Instagram posts is him posting
• 1:09:12
  with his now wife in a bikini. He hated bikinis then, but he's
• 1:09:18
  fine with them now. Paul and Morgan were fine with
• 1:09:20
  bikinis then and then started to hate them and now who know?
• 1:09:24
  Actually no, we've seen Morgan in a bikini since she's been
• 1:09:26
  pregnant. So they wear bikinis.
• 1:09:29
  They say they hate bikinis. They wear bikinis.
• 1:09:32
  They did another video saying they hit bikini.
• 1:09:34
  Like there's no consistency. None at all.
• 1:09:38
  But anyway, let's take a look at what guys wish girls knew.
• 1:09:41
  Apparently this one starts off strong by telling us that when
• 1:09:45
  women have basic bodily functions, that's a turn off to
• 1:09:48
  men. So I guess we should just stop
• 1:09:50
  existing and functioning just in case.
• 1:09:52
  You know men's penises get soft. That makes sense, right?
• 1:09:56
  Biggest turn off in a woman? Oh man.
• 1:09:59
  When ladies either perform bodily functions, I'll say belch
• 1:10:04
  would be one of those. The other one, I don't even like
• 1:10:07
  saying the word and that I'll go ahead toot.
• 1:10:10
  OK, that's a good synonym. We cringe a little bit when
• 1:10:14
  we're pursuing a woman and those type of words are coming out of
• 1:10:16
  her mouth a lot. If I'm pursuing someone or even
• 1:10:19
  if I got into a point where I'd be married, I wouldn't want that
• 1:10:22
  to be the daily vocabulary. It's one thing if it happens
• 1:10:25
  once in a while, but it's another thing if it's consistent
• 1:10:27
  talk day after day. This really happened for Morgan
• 1:10:30
  and I Morgan would sometimes when we were just having fun or
• 1:10:33
  maybe I would do something that kind of got under her skin a
• 1:10:35
  little bit. Her common phrase was, and I
• 1:10:38
  don't really like saying it either, but was Paul, you big
• 1:10:41
  fart? And from as soon as she said it,
• 1:10:44
  as soon as she said it the first time, I was kind of like, I
• 1:10:47
  don't like that, but I'm not going to say something.
• 1:10:49
  Maybe it's a one time. I mean, maybe it's a rare
• 1:10:51
  occurrence. It only happened once or twice.
• 1:10:54
  It's not the big of a deal to our attention.
• 1:10:56
  I was kind of like Morgan. When you say fart or when you
• 1:11:00
  are talking very just loosely about bodily functions.
• 1:11:04
  Kind of grosses me out. How could you say no to that,
• 1:11:07
  Michael? Fart, fart, fart, fart, fart.
• 1:11:19
  This is actually one of the few times, and I think the first
• 1:11:22
  time that I actually like really liked Morgan.
• 1:11:24
  I thought this was a great moment from her.
• 1:11:26
  Is it silly? Yes.
• 1:11:28
  Is it childish? Yes.
• 1:11:30
  Is it what the situation called for and was absolutely
• 1:11:32
  hilarious? Yes, and people generally
• 1:11:36
  weren't too happy about this video, not because of Morgan,
• 1:11:38
  but because of Paul and Michael, and they decided to make a
• 1:11:41
  response. But as Morgan herself says,
• 1:11:43
  people have been mad at them before and they didn't feel the
• 1:11:46
  need to respond. So why now?
• 1:11:48
  I still don't know. First and foremost, I think the
• 1:11:50
  title could have been a little bit different.
• 1:11:53
  I will say to everyone that's watching this video and has seen
• 1:11:57
  the video before this, first of all, we have made very
• 1:12:01
  controversial videos in the past and not felt for a second like
• 1:12:05
  we needed to make a second response video backing up what
• 1:12:08
  we said in the first video. I think the main reason that
• 1:12:11
  we're coming and making this video and these guys have things
• 1:12:14
  to say is because their hearts were in the right place.
• 1:12:18
  I think that a few of the things that they said, you know, people
• 1:12:23
  heard it and immediately their ears closed to the rest of what
• 1:12:26
  they had to say. Their ears closed to the meat of
• 1:12:28
  what they were trying, the point of what they were trying to get
• 1:12:31
  across. I would like you all to maybe
• 1:12:34
  just very clearly explain the point of what you all were
• 1:12:37
  saying in that first video. I guess they're fine with people
• 1:12:40
  being mad about their misogyny, but people being mad about their
• 1:12:43
  hate of gases too far for reasons.
• 1:12:47
  It's what a bizarre world we live in.
• 1:12:50
  Also, can we please talk about the hypocrisy again as we've
• 1:12:53
  literally seen Paul burping on camera multiple times before.
• 1:12:56
  We're about to see Morgan do it too and they can't well just
• 1:13:00
  wait for on their future videos. There is a discussion about gas
• 1:13:03
  that is repulsive but again, it makes this so hypocritical.
• 1:13:08
  There's just no consistency. All right, shut it, shut it.
• 1:13:13
  One of you guys commented, I can't remember the name off the
• 1:13:15
  top of my head, but you commented and said, guys, I like
• 1:13:18
  your videos, but you focus so much on the heavy weightiness of
• 1:13:22
  marriage. Like, can you talk about the
• 1:13:25
  good things about marriage? We do.
• 1:13:26
  Sometimes you get to know another person better than
• 1:13:30
  you've known anyone else in your life.
• 1:13:32
  And that. You get to do those kind of type
• 1:13:40
  of things and they can't leave you.
• 1:13:44
  Whatever he's done way worse. I haven't included this
• 1:13:47
  particular clip because it was entirely in the high pitched
• 1:13:50
  squeaky voice that they edit into their videos, which is
• 1:13:52
  annoying as hell and I'm trying to avoid it as much as possible.
• 1:13:55
  But it was also during this point in time that Morgan said
• 1:13:58
  she'd read Debbie Pills book create to be a helpmeet, which
• 1:14:01
  is also concerning because that is a toxic mess.
• 1:14:04
  Also I'm sorry if you can hear Kyra crying in the background.
• 1:14:06
  I popped her in the bedroom to try and get to go to sleep and
• 1:14:09
  she is just crying to come out. I'm so sorry.
• 1:14:13
  Recording is really hot at the minute.
• 1:14:15
  Marriage is so worth it. I was just telling someone the
• 1:14:19
  other day, literally that I would not for a second take back
• 1:14:25
  any of the stuff. Like any of the hardships that
• 1:14:28
  Paul and I have gone through are going through.
• 1:14:31
  And we've gone through them and we've gone through them.
• 1:14:32
  We've made videos about it. There's no, that's no joke.
• 1:14:36
  Like, we've gone through some hard stuff.
• 1:14:38
  Yeah. How horrible of a wife would I
• 1:14:40
  be if I only love Paul when things were going great?
• 1:14:56
  If your husband is being just a punk, don't focus on him.
• 1:15:01
  Like just like be like, alright, you know what?
• 1:15:04
  I'm not going to love my husband because he deserves it right
• 1:15:08
  now. I'm going to love him because
• 1:15:11
  God deserves it always. As I mean, yeah, it's hard.
• 1:15:16
  It's hard sometimes. Like when it's that time of the
• 1:15:19
  month and they just, our husbands just don't understand.
• 1:15:27
  Like it's hard to love them when you're just like it's not easy
• 1:15:35
  for your husbands to love you to love us when we're being punks.
• 1:15:40
  So, and I will say that Paul does a better job at loving me
• 1:15:46
  when I'm a meanie than I do loving him when he's a meanie.
• 1:15:51
  Probably honestly, the hardest thing for me is how different we
• 1:15:57
  are. It's just tricky.
• 1:15:59
  Like there have been times, to be honest, where I was like,
• 1:16:02
  man, this would be so much easier if Morgan was more like
• 1:16:05
  me. It's it's true.
• 1:16:07
  An example is when I find something that I'm passionate
• 1:16:10
  about, I expected, expected Morgan to be like, yeah, I'm
• 1:16:15
  passionate about it too. What can I do?
• 1:16:17
  How can I come alongside you and kick this in the butt and let's
• 1:16:21
  do awesome of this. And Morgan is just not a
• 1:16:23
  competitive person. So her response is like, oh,
• 1:16:27
  great, I'll support you, I'll support you.
• 1:16:29
  Good luck. And I'm like, what?
• 1:16:31
  Let's crush this together. The hardest thing that we just
• 1:16:35
  had to learn how to communicate with one another because like he
• 1:16:43
  said, we're very different. And so we just can our
• 1:16:45
  communication or we're still working on that like an argument
• 1:16:50
  like I have to know like what how to say something or else it
• 1:16:56
  won't get into his head at all. We are setting up the house.
• 1:17:01
  I have these treasures that I can't wait to see where she's
• 1:17:05
  going to put them on the walls, where she's going to put them
• 1:17:08
  like decoration wise. And she is adamant that they're
• 1:17:11
  not any, they're not going to go anywhere.
• 1:17:14
  Well, not anywhere in our house other than Paul's office.
• 1:17:18
  So it just cuts me deep. Like she literally thinks that
• 1:17:21
  it's just garbage and she won't let me put them anywhere.
• 1:17:24
  Each year one of us is going to make the plans for our
• 1:17:26
  anniversary. And this year, year 2 happens to
• 1:17:29
  be Morgan's. So we have to be honest with you
• 1:17:32
  all. We were headed to our dinner and
• 1:17:38
  all was acting very strange and I knew immediately that he was
• 1:17:47
  not happy. Guys, it wasn't that I wasn't it
• 1:17:50
  wasn't that I was not happy. I'm just weird.
• 1:17:54
  I, I have, I don't even know what you'd call it like my
• 1:17:58
  emotions when it comes to certain things kind of gets a
• 1:18:02
  little off. I don't know what else to say.
• 1:18:06
  So I asked him, I was like, Polly, are you sad?
• 1:18:11
  Did you not like it? Did you have expectations that I
• 1:18:16
  didn't reach? And he was just like, I was just
• 1:18:21
  really hoping else we were going to get a massage like, and I, I
• 1:18:26
  felt like a total, total jerk saying that I did.
• 1:18:32
  I wasn't angry and I wasn't even like, I just like my emotions.
• 1:18:38
  I couldn't just like hide that like I, I was sad.
• 1:18:41
  My body is just kind of been achy and I was thinking like
• 1:18:44
  massage is probably going to be part.
• 1:18:46
  I don't know. And it wasn't just that.
• 1:18:48
  It was just like, I literally have like this blockage where I
• 1:18:54
  I just like surprises and stuff. I would just rather be told
• 1:18:58
  what's going on, be in the loop so I can just set my
• 1:19:01
  expectations. And when I don't have that, it
• 1:19:04
  kind of messes with me. And it did tonight.
• 1:19:07
  And I felt awful. And I know I sound like a whiny
• 1:19:10
  baby. It's not like I need a massage.
• 1:19:13
  I got to admit I would have potentially rather had a massage
• 1:19:18
  than build-a-bear. I'm just going to be real with
• 1:19:20
  you. But the fact that they're both
• 1:19:23
  here and Paul is worth all of the blocks in his brain and the
• 1:19:29
  pain it causes all the pain. And don't be mad at me, guys,
• 1:19:34
  watching this. I'm that's just how that's just
• 1:19:37
  how I am right now. It's I've learned the hard way.
• 1:19:42
  If you have expectations of like, oh, I really hope Paul is
• 1:19:48
  going to take me to this restaurant and he's going to buy
• 1:19:51
  me this gift and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:19:53
  And then he does it like it just ruined your entire evening and
• 1:19:57
  event. That's so true.
• 1:19:59
  So if you just have no expectations and no matter what
• 1:20:01
  they do, it's so special. It was also during this era that
• 1:20:05
  they wrote and self published a short book called About
• 1:20:09
  Intentional Dating. I reviewed this myself several
• 1:20:13
  years ago. So let's just get back to pass
• 1:20:14
  me talking about it and summarising for you.
• 1:20:16
  Did you know that Paul and Morgan wrote a book about
• 1:20:20
  dating? And because I like to touch
• 1:20:22
  myself, you guys, I read it so you don't have to.
• 1:20:25
  So Paul and Morgan decided to open this book by complaining
• 1:20:29
  about what they think everyone else who isn't them thinks about
• 1:20:33
  dating. Except this isn't what everyone
• 1:20:36
  thinks, so it's just bizarre. They open.
• 1:20:39
  I want to say they. I'm pretty sure Morgan wrote
• 1:20:42
  like 80% of this book and every Swfton poll puts in like a
• 1:20:46
  little side note, but it's mostly Morgan's work that he
• 1:20:49
  takes most of the credit for. The casual approach to dating
• 1:20:52
  has left so many young people asking the question, how did I
• 1:20:56
  get in this mess? Physical boundaries are being
• 1:20:58
  crossed. Hearts are getting broken.
• 1:21:00
  We're here to show you a better way, a God honouring way.
• 1:21:03
  Chapter one of their book asks, am I ready to start dating?
• 1:21:06
  Which is of course a very important question and one that
• 1:21:09
  many people will ask at various stages of their life.
• 1:21:12
  Paul Morgan, open with the line. We believe dating is for the
• 1:21:16
  ultimate purpose of finding a spouse.
• 1:21:18
  OK, good for you, but that doesn't mean it has to be the
• 1:21:22
  same purpose for everyone. Where do I find someone
• 1:21:24
  brackets? The singles at my church are
• 1:21:27
  strange. Speak for yourself guys, they
• 1:21:30
  said. Let's start with the shortlist
• 1:21:32
  of obvious places to meet a quality guy or girl.
• 1:21:36
  Your church, Mutual friends, A campus ministry.
• 1:21:42
  They're the obvious ones. Are they OK?
• 1:21:44
  OK. Yeah, OK.
• 1:21:45
  Campus ministries are often teeming with Christian singles.
• 1:21:49
  Each week, you get to be around people in similar stages of
• 1:21:51
  life. It's a natural place for
• 1:21:53
  relationships to form. A little known secret is, even
• 1:21:56
  after you graduate, you can still make guest appearances at
• 1:21:59
  events, parties and worship nights.
• 1:22:02
  Not that I, Paul, have ever done this.
• 1:22:05
  This absolutely just reads this. You, a grown adult, hopefully
• 1:22:11
  with a job, who has graduated, should absolutely go and prey on
• 1:22:15
  someone younger and more naive than you.
• 1:22:18
  Since no one your own age wants you can't find other adults to
• 1:22:21
  date. Here are some barely legal
• 1:22:23
  teenagers. It's really bad.
• 1:22:25
  And let's be honest, Paul has definitely done this and
• 1:22:27
  definitely in a creepy way. Like go to a new church, try a
• 1:22:32
  dating app, but never ever, ever go to bars or clubs.
• 1:22:34
  Ever. No, stop it.
• 1:22:35
  No, I get very Roushvi Andrew Tate vibes.
• 1:22:39
  So a little later he writes this is so Roushvi.
• 1:22:43
  Stop overthinking things and just ask girls out.
• 1:22:47
  I did. I asked out girls I'd been
• 1:22:49
  friends with for a while and girls I only barely knew.
• 1:22:52
  I asked out girls who were mutual friends on Facebook who
• 1:22:54
  I'd never even met. I'm not suggesting that you ask
• 1:22:57
  out every Christian girl that you see, but I'm not saying not
• 1:23:01
  to wink, wink, so, Morgan writes.
• 1:23:04
  Paul and I have witnessed this first hand.
• 1:23:06
  We're definitely simmer in a lot of ways.
• 1:23:08
  We agree on the big things in life, both of our hearts fallen
• 1:23:10
  to God. We're both goofy and quirky.
• 1:23:13
  They're the big things, OK? I mean, that's what works for
• 1:23:16
  you. However, we're also very
• 1:23:18
  different. I've luckily got to a point
• 1:23:19
  where I can read Paul's mind slash body language pretty well.
• 1:23:23
  That doesn't mean it makes it easy for me to understand why
• 1:23:25
  he's thinking or feeling a certain way.
• 1:23:27
  It actually just drives me nuts because it's so hard for me to
• 1:23:30
  understand how Paul's brain works.
• 1:23:32
  I know it's the same for him. With me, we're still figuring it
• 1:23:35
  all out. Sure, we fight, we have
• 1:23:36
  disagreements, but God always brings us back to Him.
• 1:23:39
  He humbles us and brings us to a place of vulnerability with one
• 1:23:42
  another to take a place of repentance.
• 1:23:45
  Another thing I want to on briefly is this.
• 1:23:48
  I think Paul and Morgan have deleted some of their older
• 1:23:50
  videos. In making this section.
• 1:23:52
  I was going through watching stuff and be like, you know,
• 1:23:54
  this isn't as bad as I remember. They're not as horrible and
• 1:23:56
  bigoted as I remember them being.
• 1:23:58
  And then I went back and watched some of my own old content about
• 1:24:01
  Paul and Morgan. And it turns out I reacted to
• 1:24:04
  some videos which to the best of my knowledge and searching are
• 1:24:07
  no longer on their channel. Specifically stuff in which they
• 1:24:10
  were incredibly homophobic. I don't know why they've deleted
• 1:24:13
  it because they're still homophobic, but I couldn't find
• 1:24:16
  it. Now I do know one example of
• 1:24:19
  this was in October 2018, Paul and Morgan made a video titled
• 1:24:23
  Christians on LGBTQQ and a all I have of this are some clips from
• 1:24:28
  my own video at the time. But let's take a quick look.
• 1:24:30
  I'm going to take a break from filming to go check my look.
• 1:24:33
  If that's OK, go take some more painkillers.
• 1:24:36
  Morgan say something today's video we're talking about
• 1:24:41
  Christianity and LGBTQ. How should we respond?
• 1:24:44
  One of the most common things that we're expecting we're going
• 1:24:48
  to get is just people saying that we're being judgmental.
• 1:24:50
  We're not judging in a hateful, A hypocritical or a harsh way.
• 1:24:56
  This is a loving call to our brothers and sisters, calling
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  them out of what we believe what the Bible says is sin.
• 1:25:06
  We are called to make righteous judgments but to do it in love
• 1:25:08
  without it being a hypocritical judgement.
• 1:25:10
  Question #1 here we go. Is being LGBTQ a sin slash?
• 1:25:17
  Can they be Christians? To answer that question, the
• 1:25:19
  Bible makes it very clear homosexuality, LGBTQ plus is a
• 1:25:24
  sin. Guys, sin is sin, OK?
• 1:25:29
  And sin, no matter what it is, separates us from God.
• 1:25:32
  The Bible says that for all of sin and fallen short of the
• 1:25:34
  glory of God. So yeah, it is not right for the
• 1:25:37
  church to say homosexuality is this horrible thing and then
• 1:25:41
  brush other sins under the rug. Yeah, I believe some sin may
• 1:25:44
  carry more consequence and be weightier than others, but there
• 1:25:47
  is no that we we have no place to, you know, say this sin is
• 1:25:51
  horrible and this sin is okay. What do you say when an LGBTQ
• 1:25:56
  plus person says God made me this way?
• 1:26:00
  I have a pretty direct answer. I'm not sure if Morgan would be
• 1:26:04
  Morgan has a direct answer. I would ask a question in return
• 1:26:09
  to that question, and it is does a porn addict come out born that
• 1:26:13
  way? Does a thief come out born a
• 1:26:15
  thief? We are born into sin, the fall
• 1:26:18
  of man, Adam and Eve, because of their sin, we are now prone to
• 1:26:22
  sin as soon as we come out of the womb.
• 1:26:25
  God did not make it that way. Yeah.
• 1:26:28
  So no, God did not make you gay. We have the choice, the
• 1:26:34
  authority to turn away from that sin that we're prone to, whether
• 1:26:38
  that be murdering, whether that be lust, whether that be lying,
• 1:26:44
  cheating, stealing, homosexuality, you know,
• 1:26:47
  whatever it is like God gave us the authority to turn away from
• 1:26:51
  that. And actually, I'm just gonna
• 1:26:52
  jump in here and say, because I was kept to do this, a little
• 1:26:55
  bit of shameless self emotion. The ebook version of my first
• 1:26:59
  poetry collection, Reflections on Healing, is now available on
• 1:27:03
  Amazon ahead of my second book, Outside, being released very,
• 1:27:06
  very soon. There it is.
• 1:27:09
  This is just the proof copy for now, but it's going to be
• 1:27:14
  absolutely beautiful when it's done.
• 1:27:15
  It's a big chunky hardback book filled with photos, paintings,
• 1:27:22
  essays, poetry, and yeah, I've kind of put my heart into this
• 1:27:28
  and it's been, it's been a lot to make it happen, but I love
• 1:27:33
  it. The hardback is a little bit
• 1:27:35
  expensive because the paper that it's printed on is nice and all
• 1:27:39
  that sort of thing. But because of that, I've got a
• 1:27:41
  free audio book version I'm offering available for download
• 1:27:44
  with it from my website. If you buy the hardback version,
• 1:27:49
  I'm just finishing the editing of that, but it will be
• 1:27:51
  available very soon. And the ebook version will also
• 1:27:55
  be available as well if you want something a little more
• 1:27:57
  affordable. But both my books are designed
• 1:28:00
  mostly to be physically read because they're.
• 1:28:03
  So there we go, bold and visual and beautiful.
• 1:28:09
  But, you know, I know that's not possible for everyone.
• 1:28:12
  So I've tried to make it accessible by doing the ebooks
• 1:28:15
  and yeah, OK, I'll leave links below for reflections on healing
• 1:28:19
  and outside will be available very soon.
• 1:28:22
  I'm so proud of this promotion thing.
• 1:28:23
  OK, right, let's get back to the content.
• 1:28:26
  Sorry, I only meant to take a short break last night.
• 1:28:28
  But then I edited the first part of this video and was hit by the
• 1:28:31
  worst. My crane.
• 1:28:32
  It was horrific. I just had to like, lay in the
• 1:28:35
  dark in pain for several hours. It was not fun.
• 1:28:37
  So that was my evening. Next day.
• 1:28:41
  Now let's let's do this. I've got 2 hours before I need
• 1:28:44
  to leave. Let's see how much we can get
• 1:28:45
  filmed. Now let's move on to talk about
• 1:28:47
  Morgan's solo content. You may have noticed that
• 1:28:50
  throughout this era, Morgan wasn't showing up as often, and
• 1:28:53
  this can be traced back to video we saw in August 2017, but also
• 1:28:56
  this one. Morgan is awesome, but she's
• 1:28:58
  only going to be in this video for two more seconds.
• 1:29:01
  So if you guys want to say anything to her before she
• 1:29:04
  leaves 2/1 So wow where to begin, where to begin?
• 1:29:10
  I wanted to give you all an explanation, an update on what's
• 1:29:15
  going down. I'm not against making people
• 1:29:17
  mad. Perhaps.
• 1:29:18
  I mean, I'm, I'm going to state what I believe to be true.
• 1:29:20
  I'm going to state it. I'm OK with people getting mad
• 1:29:22
  or whatever. But Morgan and I were having to
• 1:29:26
  talk earlier today about the vision of our channel.
• 1:29:29
  What are we trying to do here? We tossed that ball back and
• 1:29:32
  forth a little bit. She challenged me.
• 1:29:33
  My wife challenged me. Paul, I feel like you're too
• 1:29:36
  interested in getting views. Getting views.
• 1:29:39
  I see. What she's saying was we'd make
• 1:29:41
  titles that would be somewhat controversial and people would
• 1:29:44
  want to watch them. So there you go.
• 1:29:46
  There you go. You got me.
• 1:29:47
  You got me, Morgan. She was like, I'm not, I'm not
• 1:29:52
  loving some of the direction that this that our channel or
• 1:29:56
  these videos are going. I think you're too focused on
• 1:29:59
  getting views and creating controversy.
• 1:30:01
  All right, all right, Morgan, I hear you.
• 1:30:03
  So of course, what do I do? I go on a prayer walk so that
• 1:30:07
  you can back off a little bit and you just do your thing,
• 1:30:09
  Paul. You just do what you're
• 1:30:10
  passionate about, which is connecting with young people and
• 1:30:13
  making videos and creating discussions around things that I
• 1:30:16
  care about and that that I feel like you guys care about that we
• 1:30:19
  can connect on. Morgan has other passions that
• 1:30:23
  she is wanting to pursue and right now I'm just I'm saying
• 1:30:27
  this like right now, YouTube is not something that she's super
• 1:30:30
  focused on. So I'm going to let her do her
• 1:30:33
  things. I'm not going to pressure her to
• 1:30:34
  be in every video. So what were the other projects
• 1:30:37
  that Morgan was working on? Luckily, I can show you at least
• 1:30:40
  a few. She made a few song covers.
• 1:30:42
  She wrote a few songs for her own and recorded them with music
• 1:30:46
  videos as well. She did a few covers and songs
• 1:30:49
  with Paul. However one of her original
• 1:30:52
  songs that she produced was an anti choice song titled Abortion
• 1:30:57
  Song. It's definitely interesting so
• 1:31:05
  that you don't get a choice and you don't have a voice.
• 1:31:15
  It's hard to speak when they won't think.
• 1:31:21
  What do you say? So basically the point of the
• 1:31:25
  song is that she's complaining that non sentient foetuses don't
• 1:31:28
  have a voice and don't get a choice, but she's absolutely
• 1:31:31
  fine with conscious sentient women and girls and people with
• 1:31:35
  uteruses who are pregnant not having a voice and not having a
• 1:31:40
  choice. She is completely happy with
• 1:31:42
  their voice being taken away, with their choices being taken
• 1:31:45
  away. It's wild.
• 1:31:47
  She also dived into a world of spoken word poetry at this time.
• 1:31:49
  With her poem, You can be free from depression.
• 1:31:53
  What if I told you that? Anxiety, depression, suicidal
• 1:31:57
  thoughts, all those chains holding you down, they could be
• 1:32:01
  broken. You could be free, would you
• 1:32:04
  believe me? Highly unlikely.
• 1:32:07
  But you say you believe in God. The God who knows the number of
• 1:32:10
  hairs on your head, The God who creates a life from death, The
• 1:32:16
  God who put every single star in the sky.
• 1:32:19
  The God who created morning and night.
• 1:32:22
  You say you believe, You claim to be free in Christ.
• 1:32:28
  But how are you free? You know, I'm quite a fan,
• 1:32:31
  spoken word. I perform it myself.
• 1:32:34
  I will not comment on the quality of this.
• 1:32:36
  I will just say that it is a thing that exists.
• 1:32:39
  She also spent a little bit of time making videos by herself,
• 1:32:43
  talking about her journey with antidepressants.
• 1:32:45
  Taking them, stopping them, and then eventually I think taking
• 1:32:47
  them again. Honestly, as much as I hate the
• 1:32:50
  message behind like the anti choice song for example,
• 1:32:53
  honestly it was nice to at least see her doing something creative
• 1:32:56
  because we never get to see this side of her anymore.
• 1:32:58
  It seems that she did at least enjoy the project she was
• 1:33:00
  working on and it's nice to see that side of her.
• 1:33:03
  As time went on, Paul and Morgan also began to collaborate with
• 1:33:06
  other creators and people they knew.
• 1:33:08
  Sometimes friends and family, but also other Thunder
• 1:33:10
  Youtubers. I believe it was at this time
• 1:33:12
  they did their first collab with Girl Defined and also and also
• 1:33:16
  began to regularly collab with Hannah Williamson.
• 1:33:18
  In fact, her and Morgan supposedly became quite good
• 1:33:20
  friends. Let's take a look at a few of
• 1:33:23
  these videos. So we've already seen women
• 1:33:25
  shouldn't have bodily functions Michael, but let's look at some
• 1:33:28
  of their other friends and family, starting with Caroline
• 1:33:30
  and Lucy. One of the things I find really
• 1:33:32
  interesting is Caroline is Morgan's best friend and she was
• 1:33:36
  there for her throughout her pregnancies.
• 1:33:38
  She made a lot of appearances on the channel and they always call
• 1:33:40
  her Carl. Like that's her nickname, Karl.
• 1:33:43
  So you don't like trans people changing their names to be more
• 1:33:50
  real to who they are? You don't like men dressing as
• 1:33:53
  women? You don't like drag Queens?
• 1:33:55
  You don't like women who are a little bit more masculine or men
• 1:33:59
  who are a bit more like they're very strict about like gender
• 1:34:03
  roles and gender must be this and this.
• 1:34:06
  But you call your best friend who's a sis woman Carl and then
• 1:34:10
  and then later on they call their baby boys grace and love
• 1:34:13
  as millennia. It's just again, a lot of
• 1:34:15
  hypocrisy. But anyway, I'm excited to have
• 1:34:18
  Lucy. Lucy.
• 1:34:21
  OK, Hey, hey. Our two good friends on the
• 1:34:23
  show, I think they're going to bring some really valuable
• 1:34:26
  insights. One thing like my my mom, Lucy
• 1:34:29
  and I are sisters. I don't know if that's
• 1:34:30
  important, but one thing my mom always told me, and I think it
• 1:34:33
  was just like a fear tactic more than anything else.
• 1:34:35
  But it was like you can't go back physically.
• 1:34:37
  It's like once you've like crossed a boundary, like there's
• 1:34:39
  no going back. And so there's kind of like this
• 1:34:43
  feeling of, OK, I just have to like keep going, if that makes
• 1:34:46
  sense. OK, so so you're holding hands,
• 1:34:48
  OK, whatever. And then you're kissing, OK, and
• 1:34:51
  then you're on top of each other and then like it doesn't stop.
• 1:34:54
  Like even if you stop in that moment, like it, it just it
• 1:34:58
  doesn't, it doesn't stop. It's also really hard and
• 1:35:01
  establish relationships where boundaries have maybe gotten
• 1:35:04
  farther than you and your heart knows that they should have to
• 1:35:07
  begin to connect like again, like on a mental level instead
• 1:35:10
  of just like a physical 1. So it's really hard to have the
• 1:35:14
  important conversations once things that you once sort of
• 1:35:18
  conversated about have already kind of gone.
• 1:35:21
  So these types of videos are interesting because, one, they
• 1:35:24
  seem to have a lot more friends in the past than they do now, or
• 1:35:26
  at least their friends are more willing to come on their channel
• 1:35:28
  in the past than they are now. And two, they really were just
• 1:35:32
  pulling random Christians with no qualifications onto their
• 1:35:35
  channel who would often just say a whole bunch of nothing about
• 1:35:38
  topics that Paula Morgan had already covered 10 times over.
• 1:35:42
  The same went for their first collab with Gilda Find, where
• 1:35:45
  they talked about an old topic they've covered before many many
• 1:35:48
  times, Christian modesty unfair standards for girls.
• 1:35:52
  We are honoured to be joined by Kristen and Bethany from Girl
• 1:35:57
  the Fine. We're so excited to be on here.
• 1:36:01
  We are for real so happy you guys are one of our favourite
• 1:36:05
  YouTube channels. Kristen and Bethany Morgan,
• 1:36:08
  three of the finest ladies I know is there unfair modesty
• 1:36:12
  standards for girls. I just wanted to start this this
• 1:36:15
  off with telling you ladies who are watching this video and this
• 1:36:21
  is going to make me sound a little bit blunt, but I say
• 1:36:24
  would love Morgan blunt. Ladies, you've got to stop
• 1:36:28
  looking at this situation of modesty in the world's eyes.
• 1:36:32
  I think that it's so easy for our hearts to be immediately
• 1:36:36
  hardened to hear the that you know our social media is pushing
• 1:36:41
  on be yourself, show your body, love yourself a lot.
• 1:36:45
  See all this stuff that the world is pushing and be like,
• 1:36:48
  yeah, I agree with that. But let's ask, does God say that
• 1:36:52
  type of stuff? You know, I love what you said
• 1:36:54
  more. I mean, it's like we have to
• 1:36:55
  stop and say, OK, God, I cannot do this for anyone else.
• 1:36:59
  Ultimately, it has to be first and foremost for you.
• 1:37:03
  And if that can be like our heart posture, I think truly it
• 1:37:06
  would be a lot easier to discuss this.
• 1:37:07
  Yeah. And when it comes to guys, like
• 1:37:09
  my husband and I have actually had this conversation a lot
• 1:37:11
  because when we were dating and got married, this conversation
• 1:37:14
  came up because he was like, Hey, there were certain things I
• 1:37:16
  would wear. And he's like, I don't know,
• 1:37:17
  like as a guy, when I see you in that, I look at this like it
• 1:37:20
  really points to certain parts and that's distracting.
• 1:37:22
  And he's like, I want you to be beautiful.
• 1:37:24
  I want you to be feminine. I want you to embrace all of
• 1:37:26
  your womanhood, but to be considerate of how you do that
• 1:37:29
  in a way that honours God. And then it's really just
• 1:37:31
  honourable to the people around you.
• 1:37:32
  Man and woman, two different beings.
• 1:37:36
  I mean, they're, they're different.
• 1:37:37
  And men have specific roles according to the Bible, specific
• 1:37:41
  things that they carry and women have specific roles.
• 1:37:44
  And so I think that when when it comes to modesty, it's going to
• 1:37:48
  look a little bit different, not saying across the board, but
• 1:37:51
  typically men are going to be more visual.
• 1:37:53
  So in this specific area, I would say that it is a little
• 1:37:57
  bit more of the responsibility of the woman to just watch how
• 1:38:00
  she dresses to honour God and the way she dresses and be even
• 1:38:04
  perhaps sensitive of the men around her.
• 1:38:07
  I know Goldefind have since taken back some of their earlier
• 1:38:10
  stances about modesty. So I would be super interested
• 1:38:13
  to see what they think of these old videos and collapse now too.
• 1:38:16
  Do you remember we all thought Gilda find were getting more
• 1:38:20
  progressive and nice and wonderful and then they came
• 1:38:23
  back with just like tripling down on their transphobia.
• 1:38:27
  It's really gross. Honestly though, a lot of these
• 1:38:31
  videos were just quite boring, just like their collapse with
• 1:38:34
  Hannah Williamson. In this first video, they talked
• 1:38:36
  about how to know if TV and films are appropriate for
• 1:38:39
  Christians and Morgan complaints that TV had it.
• 1:38:43
  And Morgan complaints that the TV adaptation of Anne of Green
• 1:38:46
  Gables, Anne with an E is too feminist for her.
• 1:38:50
  You know the series based on the books which on a tourist for
• 1:38:52
  having a strong, outspoken independent female character who
• 1:38:55
  was undoubtedly feminist for the time period she was both written
• 1:38:59
  in and living in. It's very confused.
• 1:39:03
  What's your criteria on movies, on TV shows I was watching and
• 1:39:11
  with an E no and of Green Gables no, the the the books and
• 1:39:18
  stories that I grew up hearing, my mom would read to me.
• 1:39:22
  Then what happened? They have to throw in their
• 1:39:25
  political agenda of feminism, just all this stuff that was not
• 1:39:31
  in the books. And I'm just like, why this
• 1:39:36
  actually? Well, I will say one good thing
• 1:39:38
  that came out of this Paul and Morgan collab is that I was
• 1:39:42
  writing this bit of the script at my writing group and we all
• 1:39:45
  sat around and had a really interesting discussion about
• 1:39:48
  Anne of Green Gables and how feminist it is.
• 1:39:50
  And you know, the difference between like, writing a feminist
• 1:39:56
  feminist piece now and writing one back then and how some
• 1:39:59
  things are the product of their time and what that means.
• 1:40:01
  And it was, yeah, it was a really interesting discussion.
• 1:40:03
  I appreciate it. I think it was mostly Zoe and
• 1:40:06
  Rose I was talking to, and they had some really, and Chloe as
• 1:40:08
  well, and they had some really amazing ideas.
• 1:40:10
  So shout to them for being there for me.
• 1:40:14
  They're good friends. And yeah, I I want to try and
• 1:40:18
  write. But yeah, back to the Anne of
• 1:40:20
  Green Gables books. I mean, later the books were
• 1:40:23
  probably a little less feminist because it kind of fell back on
• 1:40:26
  the whole, like, well, she gets married and has seven kids
• 1:40:28
  thing, but she's still outspoken.
• 1:40:32
  And as a lot of us were discussing, for the time period
• 1:40:36
  it's written in and the time period it's set in, it's quite a
• 1:40:40
  feminist piece. And not just that, I think the
• 1:40:43
  fact that such a beloved series of books was written by a woman
• 1:40:45
  is important here too, because at the time, women weren't
• 1:40:48
  really published unless they were writing under a male
• 1:40:51
  pseudonym. Lucy published these books
• 1:40:53
  initially under LM Montgomery and was therefore a woman
• 1:40:58
  fighting back against the sexist system and doing something
• 1:41:00
  awesome. Yes, she had to publish under an
• 1:41:02
  ambiguous name, but she was still a woman writing, and in a
• 1:41:06
  time when it was mostly just men who were celebrated.
• 1:41:09
  Like how is that not feminist? It should be a surprise to
• 1:41:13
  absolutely no one who even knows a little bit about the books
• 1:41:18
  that an adaptation of Anna Green Gables made today was going to
• 1:41:21
  keep being feminist, but even more so to suit a modern
• 1:41:24
  audience. Morgan says she read the books,
• 1:41:30
  but I feel like she was probably so brainwashed as a kid by her
• 1:41:34
  fundy parents that she maybe missed the point entirely and
• 1:41:37
  missed the feminist messaging behind it.
• 1:41:41
  Or maybe she just doesn't understand what being feminist
• 1:41:43
  is. I think that one is true.
• 1:41:45
  And so she doesn't see when feminist things are feminist.
• 1:41:50
  You know, I, I don't know. You might also notice at this
• 1:41:54
  point in 2020 is when Morgan starts to become more and more
• 1:41:57
  condescending. She's angrier about more things.
• 1:42:00
  She's more negative. She's more dismissive of anyone
• 1:42:02
  who isn't her and doesn't share her opinion.
• 1:42:05
  She sounds constantly exasperated and pulls a lot of
• 1:42:08
  faces to the camera, expressing her disgust with other people.
• 1:42:11
  You see her sighing a lot, groaning a lot, rolling her
• 1:42:14
  eyes. I started watching some shows.
• 1:42:16
  One was that 13 Reasons why? No, that's a good one to watch.
• 1:42:21
  Yeah. And I was like, oh, my gosh, can
• 1:42:24
  we calm down a little bit more? Can we take it from up here and
• 1:42:27
  bring it down just a notch? They have to get my fast anus at
• 1:42:30
  least once they've gotten it. OK, even Paul often seemed
• 1:42:34
  annoyed by it in videos too. Remember this because we are
• 1:42:38
  going to be talking about it more in the next section of this
• 1:42:40
  video. Morgan even acknowledges that
• 1:42:43
  she has gotten harsher or as she says her standards have gone
• 1:42:46
  higher and attributes attributes it to marrying Paul.
• 1:42:49
  So earlier when I was like, what happened to this lovely girl
• 1:42:52
  from you idol to become who she is today?
• 1:42:55
  She says part of that was marrying Paul.
• 1:42:58
  Interesting, I've noticed with Paul we got married like my
• 1:43:04
  standards went way up high. Like got way higher because
• 1:43:09
  before I was dating him, married to him, I watched literally
• 1:43:16
  anything. Like I didn't really care.
• 1:43:18
  She told me a movie that she watched previous test dating and
• 1:43:22
  I almost dumped her. Did not.
• 1:43:27
  I didn't almost dump her, but I literally like I think I
• 1:43:32
  reflected on that for like days and I was like, okay, who am I
• 1:43:35
  dating here? It did show like her standards
• 1:43:39
  were disappointingly low, or maybe just naive.
• 1:43:43
  If you look at yourself. If I looked at me back then,
• 1:43:47
  what was I struggling with? I was struggling with severe
• 1:43:50
  depression, severe anxiety, severe comparison.
• 1:43:55
  I started to notice that as I cut back on certain shows, I
• 1:43:59
  didn't struggle as much with comparison.
• 1:44:02
  I didn't struggle as much with my anxiety.
• 1:44:05
  My depression wasn't as intense. I am honestly very theory of
• 1:44:10
  dating guys who watch Game of Thrones.
• 1:44:13
  We're going there, we're going there.
• 1:44:16
  Anybody who tells me that they're watching Game of
• 1:44:18
  Thrones, I'm like, yeah, I mean, and I get that.
• 1:44:23
  And I understand now. Why, Paul, you know, question
• 1:44:27
  why I was watching this because I was saying I'm walking with
• 1:44:29
  the Lord, but then I'm watching these shows that talk trash
• 1:44:32
  about the Lord or don't bring the Lord in at all.
• 1:44:36
  There's also odd videos like this where the cracks were
• 1:44:38
  really starting to appear in Paul and Morgan's relationship,
• 1:44:41
  and guests like Hannah were just sort of awkwardly sat in the
• 1:44:43
  middle of it all. Heavy hitter, How often do you
• 1:44:48
  think about slash? Want sex?
• 1:44:52
  This is a question for Morgo because she's married.
• 1:44:55
  I know that it's different for every woman.
• 1:44:57
  A lot of people say that the majority of women do not ever
• 1:45:00
  want it as much as guys want it. I think Paul thinks about it and
• 1:45:04
  wants it a lot more than I think about it or want it for me.
• 1:45:08
  Like, yeah, it crosses my mind every single day.
• 1:45:11
  Maybe once a day. OK, but that doesn't necessarily
• 1:45:16
  mean that I'm. I'm wanting it every single day.
• 1:45:20
  Like, I could go much longer than Paul could without having
• 1:45:25
  sex with me just fine. But I love it.
• 1:45:33
  Sorry, Hannah. This video also had a lot of
• 1:45:35
  Hannah trying to say stuff and Paul jumping in to be like, so
• 1:45:38
  let me a man, explain what you're saying.
• 1:45:41
  And once I noticed him doing this to Hannah, I also noticed
• 1:45:43
  him doing it to Morgan constantly as well.
• 1:45:46
  He has one clip, but there's a tonne more like this.
• 1:45:48
  And he got very noticeable after a while.
• 1:45:51
  He's smiling if he's more like, it's almost like their
• 1:45:54
  demeanour, their countenance. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:57
  And like, just the way they act in general.
• 1:46:00
  He definitely has a habit of mansplaining a woman's view not
• 1:46:06
  only back to her but to the audience.
• 1:46:07
  Like not in a way that says hey, I'm listening and understanding
• 1:46:10
  what you're saying, but more like, hey, I can explain this
• 1:46:14
  better than you. It's very annoying.
• 1:46:17
  Also sorry to hear. Could be snoring in the
• 1:46:19
  background. She's over there by delighting,
• 1:46:21
  having a good sleep. And finally, they ended this
• 1:46:24
  video with a little bit of body shaming.
• 1:46:26
  I think that I really cared if my guy had a six pack.
• 1:46:30
  Wow. I wanted him to like be like fit
• 1:46:34
  and like when he flexed, I wanted to be able to see his arm
• 1:46:37
  muscles. I don't think I I personally
• 1:46:39
  didn't want like Pudge. I'm just not attracted to that.
• 1:46:43
  But I know plenty of girls that are like, give me that pudgy
• 1:46:46
  man. I don't my future guy, whatever.
• 1:46:49
  He doesn't have to have like turtle shell shredded like that.
• 1:46:54
  You know what I'm saying? I think I agree with Morgan,
• 1:46:58
  like he doesn't have to be shredded, but I would prefer
• 1:47:02
  that he's not over indulging and doesn't have a big belly and I
• 1:47:06
  have to hold the same standard for myself.
• 1:47:08
  Like I'm thinking like that. Like you better believe that
• 1:47:10
  we're saying these things thinking like we're not going to
• 1:47:13
  allow that to happen either to us.
• 1:47:15
  Boom, Ron honest, Ron honest. It is really sad, but it's easy
• 1:47:20
  to see why Morgan was so unnecessarily harsh on herself
• 1:47:23
  post pregnancy. Later on, it doesn't feel like
• 1:47:26
  either of them have ever had the most healthy approach to body
• 1:47:30
  image, you know? And Speaking of unhealthy, I
• 1:47:34
  wouldn't necessarily call this an era, but the next section of
• 1:47:36
  videos that I want to talk about while making this video, I
• 1:47:39
  grouped them into a folder called Morgan Starts to Look
• 1:47:41
  Miserable. Because from around the end of
• 1:47:44
  2019, throughout 2020, Morgan seemed to become more and more
• 1:47:48
  unhappy. We touched on this a little in
• 1:47:51
  the last section, but it was clear over time that she wasn't
• 1:47:55
  really enjoying being on camera anymore.
• 1:47:58
  There were there were fewer moments of genuine happiness
• 1:48:01
  between her and Paul, and she seemed angrier towards the topic
• 1:48:04
  she was talking about. I'm pretty sure viewers noticed
• 1:48:07
  this as well because from what I remember at the time, people
• 1:48:09
  were very concerned for her and she even admitted herself that
• 1:48:11
  she'd been struggling. Hey guys, what's up?
• 1:48:13
  It's Morgan, and this is the Paul and Morgan, the Paul and
• 1:48:18
  Morgan show. I'm making this video because I
• 1:48:22
  want to check in on you guys and I just want to be real raw and
• 1:48:28
  honest with you all because that's how I am.
• 1:48:32
  So during this time I have been struggling pretty intensely.
• 1:48:37
  It's just been super weird for me to like, figure out like how
• 1:48:42
  to live during this time in this past year.
• 1:48:47
  I have actually like been totally off of antidepressants
• 1:48:50
  now and not struggled with any of that stuff for like almost
• 1:48:55
  three years now. It's weird because I feel like
• 1:48:59
  the enemy has just thrown that all back in my face and like
• 1:49:03
  been just really like tempting me to believe lies and fears of
• 1:49:11
  like, Oh no, if I'm struggling right now, that means that I
• 1:49:15
  didn't really overcome it. And that means that I haven't
• 1:49:17
  been a good daughter of the Lords and that means I'm not
• 1:49:21
  trusting him enough or blah, blah, blah.
• 1:49:23
  Just all these lies that are totally from the enemy.
• 1:49:27
  And basically I hit a really, really low, really dark place
• 1:49:34
  and I was in denial about it and it was bad.
• 1:49:40
  And basically it got to a point where I couldn't keep it in any
• 1:49:44
  longer. Like I was having meltdowns
• 1:49:46
  about the most ridiculous things and I was being really just
• 1:49:49
  like, intolerable. I don't even know if that's the
• 1:49:52
  right word towards Paul and Michael even.
• 1:49:55
  And just like my attitude was just crap.
• 1:49:58
  And like, I know, I know that it was because I was just like
• 1:50:02
  keeping all of the stuff that I was struggling with in and I was
• 1:50:06
  not communicating with Paul or just anyone in general.
• 1:50:09
  My family still like I didn't know.
• 1:50:12
  It got to a really dark place a little bit ago, like several
• 1:50:16
  days ago, and it had to come out.
• 1:50:20
  And I knew that. And I, I also knew that like, if
• 1:50:25
  I don't let, if I don't bring this out now, if I don't bring
• 1:50:29
  this darkness to the light, like I don't know how much darker it
• 1:50:32
  could really have gotten, but it could have been really, really
• 1:50:35
  bad. But of course, let's not forget
• 1:50:37
  that a big chunk of this was happening during lockdown,
• 1:50:39
  during the worldwide pandemic. So a lot of people were
• 1:50:43
  struggling with mental health issues at this point.
• 1:50:45
  And it's completely understandable that she would be
• 1:50:47
  too. It's really hard not to feel for
• 1:50:50
  her when you see videos like this.
• 1:50:53
  Morgan also started to express how she didn't always want to be
• 1:50:56
  super upbeat and high energy in videos, which is 1, Completely
• 1:50:58
  understandable, and two, sort of the start of her seeming like
• 1:51:01
  she doesn't want to be on camera at all.
• 1:51:03
  Going forward, you'll notice slow speech, big size eye rolls,
• 1:51:07
  and just pure boredom from her whenever she has to be on
• 1:51:10
  camera. It feels like she was kind of
• 1:51:12
  made to do it because it was her job, not because she wanted to
• 1:51:15
  anymore. Guys, do we have to be filled
• 1:51:18
  with a crap tonne of energy every time we film a video?
• 1:51:21
  Like if we don't have energy, go ahead, Budweiser truck, drive
• 1:51:27
  along a Budweiser truck would do that to us.
• 1:51:30
  We don't have a tonne of energy in this video.
• 1:51:33
  But yeah, it's yeah, we might good video, but it's still going
• 1:51:37
  to be a good video even though it's starting out a little lower
• 1:51:39
  energy. I think it's a myth that like we
• 1:51:41
  have to have a tonne of energy in every video, you know, that
• 1:51:45
  we filmed. We should just be able to chill
• 1:51:47
  out with you guys. So that's what we're doing.
• 1:51:49
  A lot of you guys don't know, Paul and I were working part
• 1:51:52
  time jobs at some different places.
• 1:51:56
  He was working somewhere, I was working from work and we lost
• 1:52:01
  those jobs obviously like a lot of people did.
• 1:52:03
  And that probably is a surprise to many of you.
• 1:52:06
  For a period of time we work full time on YouTube just
• 1:52:09
  grinding and trying to make it and we realised that at least
• 1:52:13
  for this season we need to bring in a little bit more income.
• 1:52:16
  Paula Morgan rules to start to struggle financially at this
• 1:52:18
  point, which likely added to a lot of the strain too.
• 1:52:21
  They this isn't me speculating, they spoke about it in videos.
• 1:52:24
  They'd lost the other jobs they had because of the pandemic and
• 1:52:28
  YouTube was their early income and they were struggling.
• 1:52:32
  You might notice as well this was the time period when they
• 1:52:34
  moved away from singing their cringy little intro song every
• 1:52:37
  time and started to use a little pre recorded intro instead.
• 1:52:52
  Hey, you guys, what's up? It's Morgan.
• 1:52:56
  You know when I said when they stopped singing, it was kind of
• 1:52:59
  like videos became a chore. This was this was the start of
• 1:53:04
  that. Morgan also spoke a lot at this
• 1:53:07
  time about her experience with taking and coming off
• 1:53:08
  antidepressants and a little on her infertility problems, but
• 1:53:11
  we'll talk about that in more detail later.
• 1:53:13
  There's a whole section on Morgan's first pregnancy.
• 1:53:16
  All right, So if you guys don't know my journey, I've posted
• 1:53:20
  several videos on here talking about getting off of
• 1:53:23
  antidepressants, etc. And basically I'll just give a
• 1:53:27
  short rundown. I was on antidepressants for
• 1:53:30
  almost 7 years. The one that ended up working
• 1:53:33
  for me was Zoloft. It was, I took the generic
• 1:53:36
  Zoloft and I was on that 50 milligrammes for several,
• 1:53:41
  several years and then 100 and then 150 milligrammes and then
• 1:53:48
  back down to 100, back down to 50 and then that I was like at
• 1:53:54
  50 milligrammes for a whole year and then we started tapering
• 1:53:58
  off. Also.
• 1:53:59
  Paul and I were trying to get pregnant, are still trying to
• 1:54:02
  get pregnant and I know that antidepressants kind of lower
• 1:54:07
  your chances of getting pregnant.
• 1:54:09
  I really did feel for Morgan so much for making this part of the
• 1:54:11
  video. She's super relatable.
• 1:54:14
  I've experienced so much of the same stuff as her.
• 1:54:17
  And sometimes I would literally really like watching this.
• 1:54:20
  I would forget how hateful she can be.
• 1:54:22
  And it was this like really weird, conflicting experience
• 1:54:25
  for me because I'd be watching this woman.
• 1:54:26
  I'd be like, oh God, I relate to her so much.
• 1:54:28
  Like we have so much in common. I really feel for her.
• 1:54:31
  And then like in her little moments of happiness, I was
• 1:54:33
  like, oh God, it's so nice to feel like that.
• 1:54:35
  And I felt myself like really relating to her and enjoying
• 1:54:39
  watching some of these videos and really liking who she was.
• 1:54:43
  And then she'd go and say something really hateful.
• 1:54:45
  I'd be like, whoa, it's like emotional whiplash.
• 1:54:47
  I'd be like, oh, God, she just had to throw that in there,
• 1:54:50
  didn't she? And you remember who she is and
• 1:54:52
  what she's really like. So it was an odd experience.
• 1:54:56
  I say. She wasn't always miserable,
• 1:54:58
  though she did have some happy, cheery moments too.
• 1:55:01
  In regards to Paul and Morgan's regular content, this was also
• 1:55:03
  the time they started making a lot of car based vlogs.
• 1:55:06
  So let's look at a few clips from them.
• 1:55:08
  Here's one where again, they bring up how many arguments they
• 1:55:10
  have, how lonely they sometimes feel within the marriage, and
• 1:55:13
  perhaps most concerning, Paul says that if a partner is
• 1:55:16
  abusive to you, you may need to separate for a while, but
• 1:55:19
  divorce is not an option. Which is absolutely horrifying.
• 1:55:22
  No one should ever have to stay with an abusive partner.
• 1:55:27
  I will always, always saying that they're going to say that
• 1:55:30
  divorce is only allowed if someone cheats.
• 1:55:33
  Abuse is not grounds for divorce.
• 1:55:35
  That's absolutely horrifying. Do you think you have to be 100%
• 1:55:39
  sure about the person you marry? That's a question that I think,
• 1:55:43
  especially for Christians, they struggle with.
• 1:55:46
  I think that if there are two people walking solidly with the
• 1:55:49
  Lord, they want to get married. They want to have a godly
• 1:55:52
  marriage. Then you can make that marriage
• 1:55:55
  a beautiful, godly thing. All marriages take hard,
• 1:56:00
  stinking work. No matter who you're married to.
• 1:56:03
  It's going to be an interesting time.
• 1:56:06
  Yeah. Yes, there are some people you
• 1:56:08
  can marry. And because of their
• 1:56:10
  personalities, your marriage is going to be a lot easier, a lot
• 1:56:13
  chiller. And then there are other
• 1:56:14
  personalities where you're going to have to work a lot harder.
• 1:56:16
  But it's still can be a beautiful marriage.
• 1:56:19
  And Morgan and I get into our very.
• 1:56:22
  And I'm just going to say it because it's being real.
• 1:56:24
  Like we have had some strong arguments, some strong fights
• 1:56:30
  that leave us feeling it. It's, it's a crappy feeling when
• 1:56:34
  you get into a big fight with your spouse, like a really
• 1:56:37
  crappy feeling. Don't think we've had one of
• 1:56:40
  those of that magnitude, earthquake magnitude in a while.
• 1:56:45
  But especially first year, first couple years, there were some
• 1:56:48
  big ones. And in that moment, you do feel
• 1:56:50
  kind of alone, like I am not on the same page with my spouse,
• 1:56:54
  although we have mentors and stuff in our life.
• 1:56:56
  It's like, you know, you don't always want to run to them
• 1:57:00
  immediately. And so it's just kind of like,
• 1:57:02
  I'm just alone in this. Like, I don't know how to fix
• 1:57:05
  this. I'm just so alone.
• 1:57:07
  This kind of marriage gets very difficult.
• 1:57:10
  Things come up that they weren't expecting, and suddenly they're
• 1:57:13
  like, OK, this is an awful situation.
• 1:57:16
  I did not know this about the person.
• 1:57:18
  They're much more selfish than I ever thought.
• 1:57:20
  So this is not healthy. We're getting a divorce.
• 1:57:24
  And it's like, you know, biblically there's not grounds
• 1:57:28
  for that. If there's abuse, you know, then
• 1:57:31
  separation might be in order. I'm, I'm separating from that
• 1:57:34
  person as far as like what Jesus said, he said except for marital
• 1:57:38
  unfaithfulness. So if that person has an affair,
• 1:57:41
  that gives you grounds for divorce.
• 1:57:43
  I found this clip from Morgan quite surprising.
• 1:57:45
  This is one that I'd never seen before and it seemed so compared
• 1:57:48
  to what we'd normally seen of her.
• 1:57:49
  It seemed so mature and respectful.
• 1:57:51
  And I was, I was really quite impressed until I remembered
• 1:57:54
  that she doesn't actually stick to this at all.
• 1:57:56
  This is not the person she continues to be going forward.
• 1:57:58
  So I was like, Oh, well, that was short lived as Christians,
• 1:58:02
  as God fearing Jesus loving people have to be the ones who
• 1:58:09
  come from a very like just kind chill heart.
• 1:58:14
  I'm not saying you can't be passionate about stuff.
• 1:58:16
  I'm not saying you can't like lay it out there.
• 1:58:20
  But I am saying that like when you're talking to someone who
• 1:58:23
  doesn't believe in what you believe, you should probably
• 1:58:26
  just go ahead and understand that like they're probably
• 1:58:30
  already have like walls and like maybe even anger built up
• 1:58:34
  towards you and it's not necessarily you.
• 1:58:37
  Another thing I've never seen before but that didn't really
• 1:58:40
  surprise me at all was here's a clip of Paul and Morgan
• 1:58:43
  admitting to being anti evolution creationists, which is
• 1:58:46
  a topic I haven't covered in years and it's giving me major
• 1:58:49
  flashbacks. Evolution and the age of the
• 1:58:54
  earth. Should I not have gone there?
• 1:58:57
  We're going there. Just be careful in yeah,
• 1:59:01
  thinking like, OK, well, if that wasn't literal, then you know
• 1:59:05
  his ark isn't literal and Moses and the Red Sea wasn't literal
• 1:59:08
  and everything else wasn't literal.
• 1:59:10
  Like, just be careful because that could be a slippery slope.
• 1:59:13
  Morgan and I both hold to the belief that God created the
• 1:59:18
  heavens and the earth, all the animals, the people in seven,
• 1:59:22
  well, six days, I guess. And then 7th day he rested.
• 1:59:25
  That's what I believe. Yep, I believe that.
• 1:59:28
  I would encourage any of you, any of you all doing research
• 1:59:32
  and whatnot, to take a trip to the Creation Museum here in
• 1:59:36
  Kentucky. It's a good place.
• 1:59:38
  They really break it down. They go to the Bible, they go
• 1:59:42
  to, they bring in astrologers. Scientists.
• 1:59:45
  Like they're not afraid of science.
• 1:59:46
  They're not afraid of scientists don't believe that humans evolve
• 1:59:51
  from apes. And I've seen some comments when
• 1:59:54
  we touched on this last time saying so much science points to
• 1:59:58
  that. We did evolve.
• 1:59:59
  You know, Charles Darwin even started having significant
• 2:00:02
  doubts before. At the end of his life, that
• 2:00:05
  evolution was true because they didn't find any of the fossils,
• 2:00:08
  any of the skeletons of the hybrid species going from one
• 2:00:12
  species to another. So I'm not buying it.
• 2:00:16
  They mention go to the Creation Museum, and that is something
• 2:00:18
  that I spoken about in my videos before.
• 2:00:20
  I have covered books and writing by Ken Ham and Kent Hovind and
• 2:00:23
  picked them apart and Fact Check everything.
• 2:00:25
  That's some really old videos. But yeah, I think they were
• 2:00:29
  quite good for the time. I don't know, old videos.
• 2:00:32
  We'll see. We kind of knew they were anti
• 2:00:34
  science because they're anti vaxxers and they've made some
• 2:00:37
  questionable choices in regards to medical decisions before, but
• 2:00:41
  I didn't quite know they went this far.
• 2:00:42
  So it surprised me after a while of making this style of content.
• 2:00:45
  Guys, are there some good things about feminism or all these
• 2:00:50
  different forms of activism? I believe so.
• 2:00:52
  But yeah, but are there some concerns we have?
• 2:00:57
  Yes. And when we start seeing these
• 2:00:59
  women's marches where they're, you know, shouting their
• 2:01:02
  abortions, how is that OK? And yeah, I mean, feminism, you
• 2:01:09
  know, there's there's other things that they're standing on
• 2:01:11
  and promoting that I don't feel at peace about.
• 2:01:13
  And then you go to the word of God and it doesn't seem like
• 2:01:16
  it's lining up. And unfortunately, that seems
• 2:01:19
  like that decent amount of the activism that we have, at least
• 2:01:22
  in America and across the world. It's activism in the name of
• 2:01:26
  good, in the name of fairness. And the name of me, I should be.
• 2:01:31
  I'm entitled. And it ends up looking not
• 2:01:33
  biblical. Yeah.
• 2:01:34
  Do you ever not like the way we look in the morning?
• 2:01:40
  Not a fair question. I forgot that this could
• 2:01:42
  actually get pretty. Yeah, I can.
• 2:01:45
  Intense. OK, I'll go ahead and answer
• 2:01:48
  this question for the guys, even though I'm not a guy.
• 2:01:51
  When Paul wakes up, he looks a little crazy sometimes and it's
• 2:01:55
  cute to me though, but it's like he's so fluffy headed.
• 2:02:00
  But sometimes I am like, wow, he is looking rough.
• 2:02:04
  OK, so I wouldn't be surprised because there are times when I
• 2:02:07
  wake up and look in the mirror and think, whoa, I am looking
• 2:02:10
  rough. All right, so we got in trouble
• 2:02:13
  last time. Wow, whoa, right in my ear.
• 2:02:17
  If you guys haven't seen it, I think our second biggest video
• 2:02:20
  to date with like 400 / 400,000 views is when we got all the
• 2:02:24
  guys together and said like the first thing guys notice about
• 2:02:27
  girls. And we got in trouble with some
• 2:02:29
  that were like, love this video, but you guys were definitely too
• 2:02:32
  modest when you answered that question because you were
• 2:02:35
  talking about eyes and smile and whatnot.
• 2:02:40
  And those are very things that we noticed very quickly.
• 2:02:43
  But they were like, if you are being honest, here's what I'll
• 2:02:45
  say to go a little deeper when it comes to certain attributes,
• 2:02:51
  let's just call them curves. OK, for the sake of the curves
• 2:02:55
  are something that a guy will notice.
• 2:02:59
  But this is a tough one because for you girls watching this, you
• 2:03:02
  think, OK, so guys show off my boobies.
• 2:03:05
  Guys do notice curves. So that means I need to
• 2:03:09
  accentuate those more. No.
• 2:03:10
  Because if a guy is a godly man, he might notice them, but he is
• 2:03:14
  not going to focus on them. Yeah, yeah, he might be like,
• 2:03:18
  OK, this is a blessing, but I'm not going to allow my eyes to
• 2:03:25
  focus on these things all the time.
• 2:03:28
  And honestly, it would help me as a dude for my girlfriend to
• 2:03:31
  make sure that she's not flaunting them a tonne so that
• 2:03:34
  it doesn't tempt me. Yeah, it can be some, right.
• 2:03:37
  It can be something that I can look forward to when we get
• 2:03:40
  married, but if she's flaunting them every time we go out, every
• 2:03:44
  time I see her, it is going to be difficult for a godly guy.
• 2:03:47
  And you might notice him putting some distance between you guys
• 2:03:52
  if you're doing that. Definitely have deep
• 2:03:54
  conversations, ladies. We're not airheads that only
• 2:03:58
  talk about sports, OK, Some do. Some only talk about sports,
• 2:04:02
  some do. Including these car vlogs.
• 2:04:04
  They had two big announcements #1 they were becoming certified
• 2:04:08
  facilitators to help and advise other people with their
• 2:04:11
  marriages, which is wild. We have an announcement to make,
• 2:04:16
  so this is the video we're making for it.
• 2:04:21
  Now we want to go even deeper with you guys.
• 2:04:23
  We have become certified facilitators for an awesome
• 2:04:28
  premarital counselling programme and we want to walk you and your
• 2:04:33
  person one-on-one with the two of us.
• 2:04:36
  I guess that's two on 2/2 on two through your premarital
• 2:04:40
  counselling to help you all have a healthier, godlier marriage.
• 2:04:44
  We want to walk you through a course.
• 2:04:46
  It's typically six weeks, but that can be customised, helping
• 2:04:49
  you and your future spouse to learn as much as you can, be as
• 2:04:53
  prepared as you can going into marriage.
• 2:04:55
  And something which I'm pretty sure was immediately forgotten
• 2:04:57
  about, they don't use to this day and I've never heard them
• 2:04:59
  promoting it outside of this short lived little era.
• 2:05:03
  And two, they announced just two days later that they were
• 2:05:05
  planning to take another new direction with their content,
• 2:05:08
  stepping away from relationship advice and talking more about
• 2:05:11
  pop culture stuff. They really do love these big
• 2:05:13
  announcements and eras. We're talking about the end of
• 2:05:17
  the Pawn Morgan Christian Relationship channel.
• 2:05:28
  Oh no, Why me? Oh brother, where art thou?
• 2:05:34
  Where do we even begin? They're going to be like, why
• 2:05:37
  aren't they crying? Well, here's the reason why we
• 2:05:41
  aren't crying, because as 99% of these videos go that that really
• 2:05:47
  dramatic title thumbnail or the title, it's not always as it
• 2:05:51
  seems talking about the ending of the channel.
• 2:05:54
  It's not exactly as it seems. Is there some truth to them, to
• 2:05:57
  ours? Yes, yes, we are about to make
• 2:06:02
  the biggest direction change, biggest change in general to our
• 2:06:08
  channel that we've ever done. But is the channel ending
• 2:06:11
  Morgan? No New Horizons Baby is going to
• 2:06:16
  look different and this doesn't come.
• 2:06:18
  It's not like an overnight thing, like let's just change up
• 2:06:21
  our channel. For the past, probably six
• 2:06:24
  months longer, Morgan and I have had an increased passion for
• 2:06:31
  what we see going on in culture, in life, in faith, in politics.
• 2:06:36
  You know, like 3 1/2 years of making relationship videos.
• 2:06:41
  Not to say we won't make any more relationship videos,
• 2:06:43
  especially if they tie into culture.
• 2:06:45
  You know, we're bringing relationships, we're bringing
• 2:06:47
  faith, we're combining all of this stuff to what's going on
• 2:06:50
  right now. 3 1/2 years of doing relationship videos.
• 2:06:53
  It's just like we've covered everything, everything 5000
• 2:06:58
  different times. I, but looking back now was
• 2:07:01
  like, this seems like a very, very silly business decision
• 2:07:05
  because I mean, yeah, change up your content and topics all you
• 2:07:07
  want, right? I mean, I know I do all the
• 2:07:09
  time. I'll, I go through stages of
• 2:07:11
  things that I'm more interested in than others.
• 2:07:12
  I'll go through like a poetry phase or a literature phase or a
• 2:07:15
  fundy phase or a sciency phase or like whatever.
• 2:07:18
  I, I go through my stages. This is fine.
• 2:07:20
  This is normal. People have different interests.
• 2:07:22
  You want to mix up your topics all the time, all good.
• 2:07:25
  Nothing wrong with that. However, if you want to be
• 2:07:29
  giving people one to one relationship advice and
• 2:07:32
  counselling them, and you're trying to use your platform to
• 2:07:36
  find clients for that, maybe don't just stop your
• 2:07:39
  relationship content altogether and say we're not doing this
• 2:07:42
  anymore, we're just doing pop culture stuff.
• 2:07:44
  That seems like a silly choice. And so began their shift into
• 2:07:48
  pop culture content. I think one of the things that
• 2:07:50
  prompted them to do this was that at the time they were start
• 2:07:53
  to see a big drop in their views and their channel was just not
• 2:07:55
  growing at this point. So they thought maybe covering
• 2:07:58
  more trending topics will get them new viewers.
• 2:08:01
  Sadly, it didn't really work out for them.
• 2:08:03
  As much as they try to talk about politics and TV and
• 2:08:06
  celebrities, all that stuff, it still didn't bring in any new
• 2:08:09
  viewers for them and it didn't really increase their views at
• 2:08:12
  all. I think at this point people
• 2:08:14
  were sort of over their hatefulness, but the only way
• 2:08:17
  they ever get attention was from being, in their words,
• 2:08:21
  controversial. So they doubled down and got
• 2:08:23
  more controversial, which to them just means being hateful.
• 2:08:26
  Does that make sense? It was during this time period
• 2:08:29
  that we started to see them produce a lot more homophobic
• 2:08:31
  content, a lot more transphobic content.
• 2:08:34
  Paul was openly racist a few times and they just seemed to
• 2:08:37
  get angrier and angrier at the rest of the world outside of
• 2:08:40
  their little home and their little bubble of friends.
• 2:08:43
  And if that wasn't bad enough, they also mixed some anti facts
• 2:08:45
  nonsense, somebody shaming and started attacking other
• 2:08:48
  Christian content creators for not being Christian enough.
• 2:08:51
  In their eyes. It was less about oh look we're
• 2:08:54
  a silly couple with some extreme beliefs but we're having fun on
• 2:08:57
  camera and more, well this is super serious.
• 2:09:00
  Look at how bad the world is because different people exist.
• 2:09:02
  Crumble, grumble, crumble. I'm going to petition to take
• 2:09:05
  away your basic human rights. It got more serious and more
• 2:09:08
  harmful is what I'm saying. We have an LGBTQ Christian
• 2:09:12
  artist who was able to grab the number one Christian album on
• 2:09:16
  iTunes making some waves. Think it's worth talking about.
• 2:09:20
  So her name is Grace Baldridge. This woman is claiming to be a
• 2:09:23
  Christian. She's on the Christian album
• 2:09:27
  genre. She specifically said in one of
• 2:09:29
  her Tik toks, this is a Christian album.
• 2:09:32
  She called it a Christian album. I submit it to streaming
• 2:09:34
  services as a Christian record because it is a Christian
• 2:09:36
  record. I'm just not the type of artist
• 2:09:38
  that that industry likes to promote.
• 2:09:40
  There are other Christians that are looking at what she's doing,
• 2:09:43
  the content that she's putting out, the music she's creating,
• 2:09:45
  the stuff she's saying on her social media and they are very
• 2:09:48
  concerned. And I think Morgan and I, and
• 2:09:51
  we're going to talk more about this, obviously, but we share,
• 2:09:54
  right? So here's just a small snippet.
• 2:09:56
  She says my dad's never cursed in his life.
• 2:09:58
  I asked if he smoked. He said twice.
• 2:10:01
  Well, by that standard, I'm AGD failure.
• 2:10:06
  I passed blunts the day I married my wife.
• 2:10:09
  But I'm a child of God, just in case you forgot and you cast me
• 2:10:13
  out every single chance that you got.
• 2:10:15
  I feel like the line of, you know, she says all these things.
• 2:10:18
  She smoked pot, she married a woman, she curses whatever.
• 2:10:23
  And then but I'm a child of God. Just in case you forgot.
• 2:10:25
  I feel like this line is just like AI can do whatever the heck
• 2:10:29
  I want and not don't you dare call me out.
• 2:10:32
  Don't you hold me accountable. I'm still a child of God.
• 2:10:35
  I'll still be in heaven one day. So you might have forgotten
• 2:10:38
  that. Well, let me just remind you.
• 2:10:40
  So the obvious question is, is there any moral standard to live
• 2:10:45
  by? Where is the Bible in any of her
• 2:10:48
  songs? That's my question.
• 2:10:50
  Where is the Bible in any of her songs?
• 2:10:53
  Her song Chicken, It is all about a secret romance that she
• 2:10:57
  had, I'm assuming in high school or middle school with another
• 2:11:01
  girl. So why is that on a Christian
• 2:11:04
  album? I'm not sure, but OK.
• 2:11:06
  Today's video, Demi Lovato has changed her pronouns.
• 2:11:10
  I'm assuming that she was OK with being called a she up until
• 2:11:14
  recently. This is going to be interesting.
• 2:11:16
  This is going to be interesting. It's tough.
• 2:11:19
  The world we live in, 2021 America and worldwide, is
• 2:11:24
  confusing. Is it not?
• 2:11:25
  OK? I mean, can we agree?
• 2:11:26
  My brain just begins to melt if I really think about it.
• 2:11:31
  Still, so many Americans, like, hold these people on such a high
• 2:11:35
  pedestal and, like, aspiring to be like them.
• 2:11:37
  And, well, what did they say? They came out saying this.
• 2:11:40
  Oh, that's so good. Like, I'm gonna take that as
• 2:11:43
  advice and wisdom for my life. I say it again.
• 2:11:46
  Watch who you are, who you're taking.
• 2:11:48
  Just like political advice from spiritual faith, advice from
• 2:11:51
  life advice from through this work I've had the revelation
• 2:11:55
  that I identify as non binary. With that said, I'll officially
• 2:11:59
  be changing my pronouns to they them.
• 2:12:01
  So much self reflection, so much self improvement, self work, all
• 2:12:07
  about me. And now here's where I've
• 2:12:08
  arrived or here's where I'm arriving.
• 2:12:10
  I'm non binary. I'm sorry, but how is this gonna
• 2:12:14
  help you? I feel like it's just gonna be
• 2:12:16
  that much more confusing for you as a person.
• 2:12:19
  Literally you don't know who you are.
• 2:12:21
  You are literally trying to say that I'm both male and female.
• 2:12:25
  I lean on both sides. I feel like a man in this way
• 2:12:29
  and a woman in this way. So I'm both.
• 2:12:31
  That is so confusing and it's like wow.
• 2:12:34
  So saying I'm non binary, they them literally like I'm not a he
• 2:12:39
  a she a male or female. I'm all in both.
• 2:12:42
  That's gonna help you. Yeah.
• 2:12:44
  In your quest for inner peace and inner healing and identity.
• 2:12:48
  I just feel like we are seeing more and more.
• 2:12:53
  I mean, it's so common now to literally see the pronouns of a
• 2:12:56
  person in their bio, their Instagram feed.
• 2:12:59
  Oh yeah. He, him, she, her, whatever.
• 2:13:02
  They them. Yeah.
• 2:13:04
  And it's just that to me is like so clear to me how lost people
• 2:13:11
  really are because they are trying to fulfil.
• 2:13:15
  Well, you're stepping on some toes here because I've seen, you
• 2:13:17
  know, the labels Christian and then she and her.
• 2:13:21
  And that's just disturbing to me.
• 2:13:22
  I'm going to say that's just disturbing to me.
• 2:13:25
  I don't know what you guys are doing and why, but you need to
• 2:13:28
  knock it off. You are exactly who God made you
• 2:13:32
  to be. There is nothing you need to
• 2:13:34
  change. There is nothing that needs to
• 2:13:36
  be shifted. That's just where I stand.
• 2:13:38
  Assuming you have a friend like Demi Lovato saying my pronouns,
• 2:13:42
  are they them? Are you able to do that?
• 2:13:45
  Because I'm just thinking about it and I'm like, I'm sorry guys.
• 2:13:48
  The confusion is just too much. The trying to get me and Demi
• 2:13:52
  wasn't saying it in like a you guys call me this but but it's
• 2:13:56
  just the reality of it. Like how far are we going to
• 2:14:00
  take this? How far are we going to let it
• 2:14:01
  go for the in the name of being loving or being, you know,
• 2:14:05
  trying to, to meet them where they're at?
• 2:14:08
  Are you going to call someone a they, which is grammatically
• 2:14:11
  incorrect. It just is right?
• 2:14:13
  I, I think personally, I would just avoid any type of gender
• 2:14:17
  specific nouns, pronouns when it comes to someone who wants to be
• 2:14:23
  called they them. It's just confusion to a new
• 2:14:26
  level and the idea of just you can't be a they and then people,
• 2:14:30
  you can't, I'm sorry, pick one or the other.
• 2:14:32
  At least so you can probably see already.
• 2:14:34
  They're not being as diplomatic as they used to be.
• 2:14:37
  They genuinely seem angry that queer people exist and they
• 2:14:40
  aren't afraid to shout about it. They seem more miserable.
• 2:14:42
  They seem more aggressive, more patronising, and ultimately more
• 2:14:45
  hateful. Again, I just want to remind you
• 2:14:48
  of Morgan at the start of this video when she was on you idol
• 2:14:51
  talking about why bullying was wrong and how we need to be
• 2:14:53
  kinder to people. Compare that to this Morgan who
• 2:14:56
  is literally screeching and shouting just because a person
• 2:14:59
  says they're non binary which is something that doesn't even
• 2:15:01
  affect Morgan in any way. How can she have gone from this
• 2:15:04
  Like, hey, anti bullying is bad and we should all have
• 2:15:07
  compassion for people and there to like, you can't be who you
• 2:15:11
  are. Like it's such a big change in
• 2:15:15
  such a short space of time, but not even just.
• 2:15:19
  But it's not even just the change in their mood over the
• 2:15:20
  years. It feels like it was a big
• 2:15:22
  change in their mood of just the last few months.
• 2:15:25
  But I do think there was an explanation for this.
• 2:15:28
  This was also the time that Morgan started to get really
• 2:15:30
  concerned about her fertility and she started forking her
• 2:15:33
  infertility journey, as she called it over on her vlogging
• 2:15:37
  channel. We're going to look at this in
• 2:15:38
  the next section, so bear with me here.
• 2:15:41
  However, I just wanted to point out that while I don't think
• 2:15:43
  there's any excuse for Paul and Morgan being this hateful, and
• 2:15:46
  there's no excuse for Morgan talking about other people the
• 2:15:48
  way she is, I do think a lot of the anger towards other people
• 2:15:52
  was coming from anger and upset herself because she felt
• 2:15:55
  frustrated she couldn't get pregnant.
• 2:15:57
  I think that's what ramped up the emotions so much for her.
• 2:16:01
  Not excusing it, but I do think it explains it.
• 2:16:04
  They were under a hell of a lot of stress at this time as a
• 2:16:06
  couple struggling with infertility, struggling
• 2:16:09
  financially. Their channel wasn't growing,
• 2:16:11
  their views were dropping and they were still, as always,
• 2:16:14
  having marriage issues and arguments.
• 2:16:16
  All right, all right. Oh, she's doing the she did this
• 2:16:19
  last time she did this last time she did I, she put her hand over
• 2:16:25
  my mouth. I think that's I was in the
• 2:16:27
  vlog. I think it's a little
• 2:16:28
  disrespectful, but I love you very much, so I will allow it.
• 2:16:33
  Oh, me too. I think you speaking over me,
• 2:16:37
  it's a little disrespectful. When did I I do that sometimes.
• 2:16:42
  I'm sorry for cutting me off. I don't mean to do that.
• 2:16:44
  I don't mean to do that. My thought is going to be
• 2:16:47
  slipping away if I don't. But yes, that is going to make
• 2:16:51
  anyone miserable. I know when I'm going through a
• 2:16:53
  bad patch in life, I have way less patience for dealing with
• 2:16:56
  people like misogynists and abusers and awful people.
• 2:17:00
  And you know, the the terrible people doing terrible things I
• 2:17:02
  talk about in my videos. I just like I have, I have no
• 2:17:05
  patience for it. Like, you know, recently I've
• 2:17:07
  been dealing with this constant pain and it's effective, my
• 2:17:10
  mood, my life, my energy. Like I and because of that, I
• 2:17:14
  just have no patience for bad people anymore.
• 2:17:16
  And it's like I had people in my last video defending like rape
• 2:17:19
  against children and rape of women and violence and all this
• 2:17:24
  sort of stuff and being like, oh, well, you know, this child
• 2:17:27
  sexual assault material isn't really child sexual assault
• 2:17:30
  material because they'd be there and excuses and excuses.
• 2:17:33
  And I'm like, well, no. And I just don't have patience
• 2:17:37
  for it. So I, I ended up just blocking a
• 2:17:40
  bunch of people because I'm not going to give a platform to
• 2:17:43
  hateful views like that. I'm not going to, I'm not going
• 2:17:45
  to give a platform to people wanting to defend abuse of
• 2:17:49
  children, you know, or, or art or fiction or books or any media
• 2:17:56
  that glorifies the abuse of children.
• 2:17:58
  I'm not going to give that a platform.
• 2:18:00
  And, you know, maybe at one point I would have been like,
• 2:18:02
  Oh, you never let them argue it out.
• 2:18:04
  This is I'm like, no, like this sort of stuff is really
• 2:18:08
  affecting me. Like I'm already completely
• 2:18:11
  drained. I have like no energy, no
• 2:18:13
  patience. My mood is in the toilet
• 2:18:15
  constantly. I'm not going to sit here and
• 2:18:17
  watch people defending people hurting children.
• 2:18:21
  Like no I I actually got called a right wing puritanical
• 2:18:28
  Christian fascist Nazi racist who hates gay people because I
• 2:18:34
  said I didn't agree with raping children.
• 2:18:37
  Make it make sense. Like I don't have time for that
• 2:18:40
  nonsense. I'm not no shut up any see what
• 2:18:45
  I mean? I'm sorry.
• 2:18:45
  Anyway, the point is I understand why they had less
• 2:18:50
  patience and were more irritable at the time.
• 2:18:53
  I still critique their views. I went off in a tangent then,
• 2:18:58
  sorry. I just, I have no patience when
• 2:19:01
  it comes to sexual violence against anyone, especially
• 2:19:04
  children. Anyway, so Paul and Morgan, we
• 2:19:09
  can understand where they're coming from, but it doesn't
• 2:19:11
  excuse it at all and it doesn't erase the harm they're causing.
• 2:19:14
  That's the summary between 2021 and now, and it is still
• 2:19:18
  absolutely ongoing. America in particular has become
• 2:19:21
  such a dangerous place for women and people assigned female at
• 2:19:23
  birth. It's become a dangerous place
• 2:19:25
  for queer people, for trans people, for immigrants, for
• 2:19:27
  people of colour, for disabled people.
• 2:19:29
  It is scary. And Paul and Morgan are playing
• 2:19:32
  a huge part in cultivating culture which hates these people
• 2:19:35
  for merely existing. And they are by the people they
• 2:19:39
  vote for and the views that they share online.
• 2:19:43
  They are petitioning for the basic human rights of these
• 2:19:48
  people to be taken away. And that is completely dangerous
• 2:19:51
  and can never be excused. I don't care if you're
• 2:19:54
  struggling with infertility, you don't try and get people's human
• 2:19:57
  rights taken away. It is that simple.
• 2:19:59
  I also think it's important to note that most of their hate is
• 2:20:02
  targeted towards women. Not all of course, Paul's racism
• 2:20:05
  effects everyone, but like all people are calling all genders
• 2:20:10
  words. But on the whole, a lot of it is
• 2:20:14
  primarily aimed at women, which is an interesting pattern.
• 2:20:17
  Justin's wife Haley got a YouTube channel, posted a video
• 2:20:21
  talking about faith, relationship with God being in
• 2:20:26
  the Hollywood scene. So as I was watching, my
• 2:20:29
  expectations were like here, OK. And then the reality went, yeah,
• 2:20:36
  I don't like when they lump like anyone that's in opposition to
• 2:20:40
  their lifestyle as these hater jerks, the Eilish.
• 2:20:45
  What has her kind of persona, her public persona been up to
• 2:20:49
  this point? It's been baggy clothes, kind of
• 2:20:51
  the rebellious baggy, crazy coloured hair and kind of dark,
• 2:20:57
  even some would say demonic. I would probably say that to
• 2:21:00
  some extent, but I don't want to go too much into that right now
• 2:21:02
  and offend you guys so quickly. But a very dark, almost heavy,
• 2:21:07
  depressing music. And like in the way she carries
• 2:21:11
  herself. Yeah.
• 2:21:12
  Image the dudes on here. I would not encourage you to go
• 2:21:15
  look at the images. They're very sensual.
• 2:21:17
  I would say they're sensual. The February issue of
• 2:21:20
  Cosmopolitan magazine. I'll pop the cover up here.
• 2:21:23
  Three different women on there, and then it appears that these
• 2:21:27
  are two pages in the magazine and it's written here describing
• 2:21:29
  the issue. I suppose 11 women, 11 different
• 2:21:32
  bodies. Healthy can be a loaded word as
• 2:21:37
  unique to the person that uses it as a fingerprint.
• 2:21:41
  We asked these women to open up about their personal journeys to
• 2:21:45
  reclaiming healthy as their own. I'm sorry, but just, again, just
• 2:21:49
  being real, like anyone that's done any research with common
• 2:21:53
  sense knows that an obese person, that obesity is not as
• 2:21:56
  healthy by a long shot, is someone who is in shape.
• 2:21:59
  And so for them trying to feed us this in the midst of a
• 2:22:02
  pandemic where they're all up in arms about one side of health
• 2:22:05
  and then trying to promote obesity as being healthy, I was
• 2:22:08
  thinking to myself, Cosmopolitan should be ashamed of themselves.
• 2:22:11
  It is shameful in my opinion. It's like this is what we have
• 2:22:15
  come to. This is what we're pushing as
• 2:22:17
  healthy. How do I say this?
• 2:22:20
  So the Grammys rolled around, I believe it was on Sunday.
• 2:22:23
  Morgan and I did not watch much of it at all.
• 2:22:26
  I literally didn't watch any of it.
• 2:22:29
  There was one particular performance, I'm just going to
• 2:22:32
  say it was grotesque and explicit, involving Megan the
• 2:22:36
  Stallion and Cardi B. And then, of course, we can't
• 2:22:40
  forget all the content they made specifically around the
• 2:22:43
  pandemic, like this one, which asks whether Christians should
• 2:22:45
  get the COVID vaccine. And they have this guest on who
• 2:22:49
  I think seems to be a family friend.
• 2:22:51
  Her name's Mandy. Her qualifications are that she
• 2:22:54
  is a mother, so of course she knows everything about vaccines,
• 2:22:58
  apparently mom of seven kids, and she just has a lot of
• 2:23:02
  knowledge about vaccines, these type of things.
• 2:23:05
  As a mother, you want to do what's best for your kids.
• 2:23:08
  And this is something that over time just became part of our
• 2:23:11
  journey based upon things that we saw transpire over the years
• 2:23:16
  with our kids and their health. So this is just what moms do,
• 2:23:20
  what moms do. Mandy Morgan and I, none of us
• 2:23:23
  are doctors. We are simply giving our
• 2:23:25
  opinion. Granted, some of us may have
• 2:23:27
  studied quite a bit, but none of us doctors and we are leaving
• 2:23:31
  this to you to make your own decisions.
• 2:23:33
  But we are allowed to share where we're at with this, are we
• 2:23:36
  not? But as I became a mom and as I
• 2:23:39
  began to see things that maybe didn't quite add up.
• 2:23:43
  For example, when my second son was born and he was born a month
• 2:23:47
  early and he had this like there was discussion that, you know,
• 2:23:51
  your baby has this underdeveloped immune system.
• 2:23:54
  Let's inject him for a sexually transmitted disease on the first
• 2:23:57
  day of his life when I've already been told that his
• 2:24:00
  immune immune system is underdeveloped.
• 2:24:01
  As I grew to learn more about vaccines, there's a there's a
• 2:24:04
  lot of ingredients in those vaccines that little kidneys and
• 2:24:08
  little babies aren't able to to eliminate from their body.
• 2:24:12
  I saw a very cookie cutter, one-size-fits-all approach to
• 2:24:16
  vaccination. And you know, there's often this
• 2:24:18
  misconception that that doctor moms just follow, you know,
• 2:24:22
  Jenny McCarthy and Google and but, but really all of my
• 2:24:26
  research out there has come from pub Med.
• 2:24:29
  I am surprised that this video is still online because YouTube
• 2:24:32
  for a while really clamped down on like vaccine misinformation
• 2:24:39
  that sort of thing. So I made a video back during
• 2:24:42
  the pandemic where I joined an anti vax Facebook group and
• 2:24:46
  spoke about some of the things people actually this may have
• 2:24:48
  been pre pandemic. Yes, I remember now, I joined an
• 2:24:51
  anti vax Facebook group before the pandemic and spoke about
• 2:24:54
  some of the misinformation on there and corrected it.
• 2:24:56
  And then during the pandemic, I joined an anti mask Facebook
• 2:25:02
  group. That's the one I'm thinking of.
• 2:25:04
  And again, talked about a lot of the misinformation, corrected it
• 2:25:08
  and encouraged people to obviously wear masks.
• 2:25:11
  And then about a year and a half later, that video got completely
• 2:25:16
  blocked and banned on YouTube because they were like, this is
• 2:25:19
  spreading misinformation. And I was like whoa whoa whoa
• 2:25:22
  whoa whoa, I'm correcting the misinformation and it was a
• 2:25:25
  whole thing and I kicked bit for fuss and got it re reviewed and
• 2:25:28
  the video is back and reinstated and everything like that.
• 2:25:32
  And YouTube admitted that they've made a mistake and it
• 2:25:35
  was all good. But my point is, if my video can
• 2:25:40
  be false flagged in that way and taken down and then reinstated,
• 2:25:45
  why hasn't this one, which is spreading misinformation about
• 2:25:48
  vaccines, why is this still up? Seems odd.
• 2:25:52
  Anyway, I never really thought about vaccines or like, maybe we
• 2:25:56
  shouldn't get them. Like that thought never crossed
• 2:25:58
  my mind until meeting Paul and hearing that his whole family
• 2:26:02
  like had not been vaccinated except for the tetanus.
• 2:26:05
  Tetanus we had very minimal. And some of you guys are going
• 2:26:09
  to hear that and gasp, Paul's only had tetanus vaccine.
• 2:26:13
  He hasn't had all of the others. And we're sitting next to him
• 2:26:16
  and they're not afraid of me. Morgan married me.
• 2:26:19
  Very limited vaccines in my family family.
• 2:26:21
  My mom didn't feel good about them.
• 2:26:23
  What I think you'll find interesting here is that this is
• 2:26:25
  another case of Morgan saying I didn't believe this thing until
• 2:26:28
  meeting Paul, which again is interesting and worth
• 2:26:31
  remembering. They were also, I feel like
• 2:26:33
  should add, selling a 21 day weight loss programme for a
• 2:26:37
  massive $65 to their subscribers, which is definitely
• 2:26:40
  a choice. I think if I'm remembering this
• 2:26:43
  correctly, this was run by Paul's dad and they were getting
• 2:26:46
  like a cut of money for promoting it.
• 2:26:50
  So another side hustle if you can call it I guess another
• 2:26:56
  project that they abandoned it. I don't know.
• 2:26:59
  Anyway, as they got harsher and more extreme and more harmful
• 2:27:03
  with their content, they also started, I think thankfully
• 2:27:06
  getting quite a lot of pushback. Not only were the Youtubers
• 2:27:09
  calling them out, but their own audience was too.
• 2:27:11
  And it seems like in every video they were opening with a hey
• 2:27:14
  please don't come for us disclaimer and they were making
• 2:27:17
  Oh my good we could criticise for these thing response videos
• 2:27:20
  more and more often. Not only did they just refuse to
• 2:27:22
  listen to anyone and just double down, but they also start to be
• 2:27:25
  more racist too. And this is something we'll come
• 2:27:27
  back to in a future segment. If you're on here and you
• 2:27:30
  already know, no matter what Paul and Morgan say, I just know
• 2:27:34
  I'm going to hate their perspective and I'm going to
• 2:27:36
  comment and blah, blah. Like just if you know you're not
• 2:27:39
  going to like it, why even watch it?
• 2:27:41
  Just go ahead and just hop off. If you don't want a Christian
• 2:27:44
  perspective, which it's fine, hop off, hop off, hop off, hop
• 2:27:49
  off, hop off, hop off, hop off, hop off, hop off, hop it, off,
• 2:27:55
  hop it off, hop it off, hop it. So yeah.
• 2:27:58
  Is that a real song? We're always going to be raw.
• 2:28:01
  We're going to be bold. And we desire for you guys, for
• 2:28:03
  all of us, to live in more and more freedom.
• 2:28:05
  And oftentimes that's going to push against what the culture is
• 2:28:09
  trying to feed us. We know that no matter what,
• 2:28:12
  this topic is going to get some of you all riled up.
• 2:28:14
  It's just the nature of this topic.
• 2:28:16
  We know that people are going to be watching that have very
• 2:28:19
  strong opinions on this. And we want to say, guys, can we
• 2:28:22
  just lower the intensity of those watching that may already
• 2:28:27
  be on edge and we lower that and some of you guys might comment
• 2:28:30
  and be like, wow, you're talking about this and you haven't even
• 2:28:32
  watched it. Well, from the 23 second GIF
• 2:28:36
  thing that we saw, that is all we needed to see.
• 2:28:40
  And from the few images that we saw as we were doing some
• 2:28:44
  research, again, all we needed to see to know this was
• 2:28:48
  disgusting. Morgan and I responded to the
• 2:28:51
  Jlo Shakira halftime Super Bowl show.
• 2:28:53
  That video has gotten a tonne of heat, a tonne of backlash.
• 2:28:57
  We're coming back at you even harder.
• 2:29:00
  That's right. We made our video and we'll post
• 2:29:03
  it below if you guys want to go watch that or rewatch it.
• 2:29:05
  The comments on that video and I'm just going to like read you
• 2:29:08
  a few real quick, whether it's people saying they're Christians
• 2:29:11
  and then they're bashing us or people that are just bashing us.
• 2:29:15
  We got hit hard and now here we are Grammys and we have some
• 2:29:19
  questions for you people. Let me just let's just look at
• 2:29:22
  the comments. One of the top comments says
• 2:29:24
  that's a lot of words for I'm sexist and racist.
• 2:29:29
  OK, calling us sexist and racist.
• 2:29:31
  Some whoops. Here's one that says this is
• 2:29:34
  just so pathetic. Honestly, I almost feel sorry
• 2:29:37
  for you Paul and Morgan. Y'all are so close minded and
• 2:29:40
  bigoted. You can't possibly love others
• 2:29:43
  the way you claim to. And just to remind you guys, we
• 2:29:46
  said man, this halftime show with Shakira and Jlo flaunting
• 2:29:50
  their bodies, pole dancing, shaking it all over the place,
• 2:29:53
  bringing kids onto the stage while wearing promiscuous
• 2:29:56
  clothes and shaking their bodies around like crazy nuts.
• 2:30:01
  And so let me keep going. You my friend, have lost a
• 2:30:03
  subscriber. As a proud Hispanic slash Latino
• 2:30:07
  and follower of God, I am extremely disappointed in the
• 2:30:10
  bigotry and hypocrisy in this video.
• 2:30:12
  And the comment goes on, Wow, that's crazy.
• 2:30:15
  Unsubscribed. Shielding your eyes from things
• 2:30:18
  that can be tempting for you. I respect that.
• 2:30:20
  But in regards to other cultures, your ignorance shows
• 2:30:23
  with these comments and stuff. We also got several comments
• 2:30:27
  from other people saying I'm Latino.
• 2:30:30
  This is not right. This is not part of our culture.
• 2:30:33
  This is not like no, well, and maybe like pushing back on those
• 2:30:37
  types of comments. We did.
• 2:30:38
  We did have that. They were on a bed together.
• 2:30:41
  They're dancing together. It was like to me, lesbian
• 2:30:44
  sexual pornographic acts, soft porn, whatever you want to call
• 2:30:49
  it, It was very disturbing. So my question would be, is this
• 2:30:53
  representative of black culture? And are we not allowed to push
• 2:30:56
  back on this? Don't touch this because this
• 2:30:58
  is, you know, this is a cultural thing.
• 2:31:01
  They still made a little bit of relationship content in this
• 2:31:03
  time, just not as much as before.
• 2:31:06
  Starting in April 2021, Paul and Morgan made questions I've never
• 2:31:09
  asked my husband and questions I've never asked my wife videos.
• 2:31:12
  And honestly, they're just very uncomfortable to watch.
• 2:31:15
  It feels like Paul in particular is very critical of Morgan, even
• 2:31:19
  going as far as to have a say over what clothes she wears.
• 2:31:22
  And in a lot of these questions and answers, I feel like these
• 2:31:25
  are conversations they should have been having in private, not
• 2:31:28
  on camera and posting to the public.
• 2:31:31
  What is your least favourite piece of clothing that I own?
• 2:31:35
  Not there is something that I can answer.
• 2:31:39
  Wow. Wait, do I have to be honest
• 2:31:41
  here? Like it might be, it might be
• 2:31:43
  offensive. I want to know if it's something
• 2:31:45
  that I wear all the time, then this is awkward.
• 2:31:48
  OK, hold on. I'm gonna have to narrow it down
• 2:31:49
  because a couple come to mind. Oh, are we wanting to be real or
• 2:31:53
  not? We are going.
• 2:31:55
  Are we wanting to be real or not?
• 2:31:56
  I don't love your shirt that says family on it.
• 2:32:00
  Oh, it says we are. We are family.
• 2:32:02
  I just don't really love that shirt.
• 2:32:03
  And I don't it is big, and I don't really like your white
• 2:32:08
  hoodie that you were wearing earlier today.
• 2:32:11
  All right, next question next. That is a cool hoodie.
• 2:32:15
  It says good news. And on the back of it is like
• 2:32:17
  this big newspaper and it says Jesus is king.
• 2:32:20
  It's not the design that's on it.
• 2:32:22
  That's pretty cool. You don't like hoodies at all,
• 2:32:25
  though, because you're annoying. OK.
• 2:32:27
  Is this how the whole video is going to go?
• 2:32:29
  Can we get this out there? Is this how the whole video is
• 2:32:31
  going to go? You ask me a question, I answer
• 2:32:33
  honestly. I just have to clarify.
• 2:32:35
  He doesn't like hoodies at all. There's not a single hoodie I
• 2:32:38
  could find to wear that he'd be like, I love that so much.
• 2:32:41
  And you might be right. I am right.
• 2:32:43
  But there's also a sweater you have that I don't really love
• 2:32:46
  either. Oh, what?
• 2:32:47
  Which one? My dirt bike one.
• 2:32:50
  Actually, now I'm coming around to that one.
• 2:32:52
  I'm coming around to the dirt bike sweater.
• 2:32:54
  All right, next question. Next question.
• 2:32:56
  But let's see, there are plenty of clothes I don't like in falls
• 2:32:59
  and I want to hear, and we'll get to that in our next video.
• 2:33:02
  I want to hear and make adjustments where necessary.
• 2:33:05
  I really do. But you guys like, I love Morgan
• 2:33:08
  so much. She is mindful that like
• 2:33:09
  clothing and stuff is something I have preferences to.
• 2:33:12
  She's mindful and is sweet most of the time.
• 2:33:15
  On a scale of 1 to 10, how well do I kiss?
• 2:33:21
  I'm the only woman he's ever kissed.
• 2:33:27
  It's funny because like, when we were early in marriage, I feel
• 2:33:30
  like. Can you tell me if you see it
• 2:33:33
  differently? But kissing was like a little
• 2:33:36
  bit, and maybe this is not good, but kissing like Plato was just
• 2:33:39
  like a little bit of a bigger deal.
• 2:33:41
  And now, like, we still kiss, but it's not quite the same
• 2:33:45
  significance. Is that on me?
• 2:33:47
  It is for me, not for you, you big butt head.
• 2:33:53
  It is a little bit on you. I feel like you don't kiss me as
• 2:33:56
  much as you used to. Wow, these videos really bring
• 2:34:00
  out and we need to be careful with that because we're only
• 2:34:04
  five years in a marriage. So what's it going to look like
• 2:34:06
  in 15? This is good.
• 2:34:07
  This is good combo. This is real guys, like this is
• 2:34:10
  real. But no, that's that's good.
• 2:34:12
  Like because I'm just articulating where I'm at,
• 2:34:15
  because the question was like, is Morgan, you know, on a scale
• 2:34:17
  of 1 to 10, where is she kissing wise?
• 2:34:19
  I probably need, but that's the thing also is like when it comes
• 2:34:23
  to intimacy, I'm I am wanting to take time and go slow.
• 2:34:30
  It's not like I'm just trying to like move on from that.
• 2:34:34
  But sometimes you don't even start out with that.
• 2:34:36
  I will intentionally try to pay more attention to kissing.
• 2:34:41
  There we go guys. I'll let you know in a few weeks
• 2:34:44
  how he's done. Well, OK, I mean, I'll just be
• 2:34:46
  honest with the first thing that came to my mind.
• 2:34:48
  And as you said earlier, part of this might be because it's that
• 2:34:52
  time of month, but Morgan is quite emotional and feel stuff.
• 2:35:01
  And the way that she feels the emotions plays a pretty big part
• 2:35:05
  in how that day is going to go for her.
• 2:35:07
  And so she wakes up and she has significant emotions about life.
• 2:35:12
  It's probably going to make your day harder.
• 2:35:15
  And earlier I was just encouraging her, you know, all
• 2:35:18
  of us that are emotional, like emotions aren't bad, but let's
• 2:35:22
  make sure that we don't give them too much power over how are
• 2:35:24
  days going to go? And I just want to like preach
• 2:35:26
  the word and say, look, Morgan, like be joyful always.
• 2:35:30
  We all know that's really helpful.
• 2:35:32
  Give thanks in all circumstances.
• 2:35:34
  It says in Thessalonians. And Morgan, what's one way you
• 2:35:37
  feel misunderstood online? I feel like the most common
• 2:35:40
  misconception about me is that I'm like this really hyped up,
• 2:35:45
  fiery, like, person and like, I don't know how to chill and just
• 2:35:49
  have a fun time. That's just like the furthest
• 2:35:52
  thing from the truth. I'm fiery for sure.
• 2:35:55
  And anyone in my personal life knows that, know that, but like,
• 2:35:58
  I know how to have a good time. You're also really relaxed as
• 2:36:02
  well. Yeah.
• 2:36:02
  I just feel like anyone that I've met from online, in person,
• 2:36:05
  they're just like that didn't like me online, but then met me
• 2:36:08
  in person, they're like, wow, like I really had the wrong idea
• 2:36:12
  about you. But I don't know what that says.
• 2:36:15
  Like, do I need to act different online?
• 2:36:17
  Like, I feel like I'm myself online and offline, but I think
• 2:36:20
  those people that think that are people who set out to not really
• 2:36:25
  want to like me because you're pretty goofy.
• 2:36:27
  Yeah, online as well. All right, I wasn't sure about
• 2:36:29
  asking this question, but I I do think it needs to be asked
• 2:36:33
  because of the way the direction that it went in our last video.
• 2:36:38
  Let's go and swing it your way. What's your least favourite
• 2:36:42
  piece of clothing? What's your least favourite
• 2:36:45
  piece of clothing that I wear? Oh, you weren't going to ask
• 2:36:49
  this, huh? I wasn't sure about it.
• 2:36:51
  Just answer the question. All right, next question.
• 2:36:56
  It's not that like, yeah, you probably have stuff in your
• 2:36:59
  wardrobe that I'm just like, don't love that.
• 2:37:02
  But I think it's more actually that you wear certain pieces so
• 2:37:08
  much that I'm just like, do you have anything else in your
• 2:37:11
  drawers or your closet? Like, please, please change it
• 2:37:14
  up. It's like what I said at the
• 2:37:16
  very start of this video. I think they've spent so much of
• 2:37:19
  their marriage on camera that they don't necessarily know who
• 2:37:21
  they are as a couple off camera. So they use these types of very
• 2:37:26
  public videos to air out of law of their issues and talk about
• 2:37:29
  things that they should be talking about in private.
• 2:37:31
  But of course, the public are watching these and can criticise
• 2:37:36
  them for it. And that can't be helpful at
• 2:37:37
  all. In any relationship.
• 2:37:39
  You have to have often difficult conversations and be like, hey,
• 2:37:43
  like, what are our boundaries here?
• 2:37:45
  How do we feel about this? I feel like this, you feel this.
• 2:37:48
  How do we compromise? They're normal parts of a
• 2:37:50
  relationship, but it feels like Paul and Morgan only or
• 2:37:54
  primarily do that stuff on camera with 10s of thousands of
• 2:37:57
  people watching and weighing in and judging.
• 2:38:00
  And that can't be healthy. And I'm not saying people
• 2:38:03
  shouldn't comment on or critique the public videos they put out.
• 2:38:07
  Of course people are going to because it's public.
• 2:38:10
  Like we see stuff, we consume it, we have an opinion, we feel
• 2:38:13
  the need to say something. And especially when we think
• 2:38:15
  people are being hurt by it, of course we want to talk about it,
• 2:38:18
  right? So I'm not saying people
• 2:38:20
  shouldn't talk about this stuff, but I'm saying maybe they
• 2:38:23
  shouldn't be posting it. We don't need to see these
• 2:38:25
  intimate parts of your marriage. And I can't, I don't want this
• 2:38:31
  to be victim blamey. And you know, because I don't
• 2:38:33
  want this to be like, oh, well, you know, you shouldn't be more
• 2:38:35
  good. You shouldn't have posted the
• 2:38:36
  video. But I do feel like this is a
• 2:38:38
  little bit different because like, maybe you shouldn't be
• 2:38:42
  posting the videos. The next clip I want to show you
• 2:38:45
  is gross and serves no purpose purpose other than to show Paul
• 2:38:48
  and Morgan's views on bodily functions are very different to
• 2:38:51
  what they were a few years ago. Remember, Michael and his women
• 2:38:54
  shouldn't have bodily functions argument and Paul being like,
• 2:38:57
  yeah, bro, you're right bro. Yeah, then we get this.
• 2:39:02
  Paul is also a bit of a hypocrite and Morgan is.
• 2:39:06
  I don't even know what to say about this clip.
• 2:39:09
  I'm sorry. It's gross.
• 2:39:10
  I just want to prove a point that they keep changing their
• 2:39:13
  mind about things. Literally 2 years into marriage,
• 2:39:18
  still hadn't farted in front of him.
• 2:39:19
  Two years. She went two years.
• 2:39:21
  Bless you. Bless you.
• 2:39:25
  I just personally like that's just my like I don't want to
• 2:39:28
  fart in front of my husband. That's weird to me.
• 2:39:30
  So two years ago by hadn't done it.
• 2:39:33
  We go on this camping trip with Paul and his parents, his
• 2:39:37
  brother. Him and his brother were
• 2:39:39
  literally farting the entire week non-stop.
• 2:39:43
  Hey, hey, hey, non-stop. OK in this tiny army.
• 2:39:47
  I'm sorry, tiny, but it's tiny. I'm sorry, S'mores, baked beans,
• 2:39:51
  hot dogs, cream soda. You know, it's moving from a
• 2:39:55
  healthy diet to who knows what you even call that.
• 2:39:59
  So we're literally in the outdoors.
• 2:40:01
  They couldn't have literally stepped less than 12 inches out
• 2:40:05
  to the door of the RV, farted out there, let it air out.
• 2:40:08
  I'm owning it. It was my bad.
• 2:40:11
  No, but go back to the original question.
• 2:40:14
  I am like getting sick of it because they're disgusting
• 2:40:18
  smelly. OK, this is too much detail like
• 2:40:21
  I can't sleep they're so smelly. So one night we're all about to
• 2:40:26
  go to bed me and Paul in this pull out couch thing of his
• 2:40:31
  brother and his two kids up in this other area.
• 2:40:34
  They decide all four of them decide to like let them RIP
• 2:40:39
  right before we go to This is way too many details so I decide
• 2:40:44
  I'm over it. I've gone 2 years.
• 2:40:46
  I have not allowed my husband to witness this.
• 2:40:49
  I'm done. I literally jump on him.
• 2:40:51
  I sit on his face and I fart in his face.
• 2:40:57
  That is way too many details. They needed to know why I
• 2:41:01
  decided to do that guys, because the question that I sat on his
• 2:41:05
  face and I heard it, but I needed you guys to understand
• 2:41:08
  why I was led to do this. This question should really be
• 2:41:11
  Paul, how are you doing since this happened like how's the
• 2:41:15
  PTSD? How's has there been long term
• 2:41:18
  trauma? And the answer is it was it was
• 2:41:22
  it caught me off guard. It was scary.
• 2:41:25
  It was scary, He goes. It was, it was traumatising for
• 2:41:31
  the whole RV that witnessed it that taught him because he
• 2:41:33
  stopped after that, at least for that night.
• 2:41:36
  Last video I made on Paul and Morgan on this very channel was
• 2:41:39
  about how we all need to know less about each other and the
• 2:41:40
  problems with oversharing online.
• 2:41:42
  Clearly oversharing is not a new phenomenon for them.
• 2:41:45
  We didn't all need to hear this, but I did hear it.
• 2:41:49
  So now so do all of you suffer with me.
• 2:41:53
  A few months later, they didn't know the Q&A where they opened
• 2:41:55
  by admitting this to the unfiltered Q&A part.
• 2:41:59
  Morgan, are there going to be any questions?
• 2:42:01
  I haven't seen very many of of the questions.
• 2:42:04
  Am I going to feel awkward answering these?
• 2:42:06
  Probably. Honestly, there are some pretty
• 2:42:08
  juicy questions that we're going to answer because why not?
• 2:42:14
  What else do we have going for us?
• 2:42:16
  Our reputations, our channel, I don't think any of this will
• 2:42:22
  hurt that. Nothing we've done that's crazy.
• 2:42:27
  You know what? Let's just let's go.
• 2:42:29
  There's a few other interesting bits in this video, too.
• 2:42:31
  Here's Morgan talking about how biblical submission as a wife
• 2:42:34
  doesn't come naturally to her. Even though I thought that was
• 2:42:36
  what God was supposed to make us do, just make us submit
• 2:42:39
  naturally. We're just all women naturally.
• 2:42:40
  And come on, was it hard for Morgan to practise submission
• 2:42:47
  ever? Or is it hard for Morgan to
• 2:42:49
  submit to fall? It's stinking hard.
• 2:42:51
  Are you kidding me? Oh, there we go.
• 2:42:53
  It is hard, you guys. It's hard for someone like me,
• 2:42:58
  who? It's going to be hard for anyone
• 2:43:00
  probably. But no, there's some women out
• 2:43:02
  there that it's just easy to go with the flow and do whatever.
• 2:43:05
  But for me, I am a very strong willed, independent, sassy.
• 2:43:13
  She's a leader. She's a firecracker.
• 2:43:15
  She has leader tendencies. Yeah.
• 2:43:17
  Yeah. And so for me to, you know, just
• 2:43:20
  sometimes Paul and I go head to head in a decision or in a
• 2:43:25
  thing, whatever, and I don't maybe see eye to eye with him.
• 2:43:29
  Like, it's hard for me to be like, you know, I'm going to
• 2:43:32
  submit to this even though I don't agree.
• 2:43:34
  But I am learning. I've come a long way.
• 2:43:37
  I still have a long, long way to go.
• 2:43:39
  And Paul still is learning what it looks like to lead and he's
• 2:43:43
  got a long way to go in that as well.
• 2:43:45
  But he does a very good job. There's some bits I'm not sure I
• 2:43:48
  believe. Here's Paul talking about how
• 2:43:51
  their sex life is the best it's ever been and they still have a
• 2:43:53
  spark. And it all sounds great.
• 2:43:55
  Question. Do you still have the spark?
• 2:43:58
  The spark. OK, candid.
• 2:44:03
  What's the word we're using in the unfiltered, unfiltered,
• 2:44:06
  unfiltered. I would say that our just being
• 2:44:11
  real sex now is definitely the best it's ever been.
• 2:44:18
  So when you talk about do you still have the spark?
• 2:44:21
  If we're talking within sexual intimacy, I would say very much
• 2:44:25
  so. Like the spark is growing into a
• 2:44:27
  flan vibrant flame flame. Except here's a clip of Morgan a
• 2:44:32
  couple of years later talking about what this period was
• 2:44:34
  really like when she featured on Bethany Beale's Sex Cause for
• 2:44:37
  Married Women. She says that they were still
• 2:44:39
  trying to make it fun, but she also talks about how sometimes
• 2:44:41
  it felt like a burden and it was something that they just had to
• 2:44:44
  schedule and get on with. She describes it as trying but
• 2:44:48
  good. And I'm not sure how much I
• 2:44:50
  believe that latter half, but I think their feelings around it
• 2:44:53
  all are a lot more complex than they let on.
• 2:44:55
  And that's completely understandable.
• 2:44:57
  I feel like Morgan years later saying trying but good.
• 2:45:00
  We just had to get on with it. We had to schedule it.
• 2:45:02
  And Paul been like, oh, we still have a spark.
• 2:45:04
  It's better than ever. Maybe they just had very
• 2:45:08
  different experiences during this time.
• 2:45:10
  But I want to know for you, someone who struggled with
• 2:45:13
  infertility for five years, what did your intimacy look like
• 2:45:16
  during that time? Were there low moments where it
• 2:45:18
  felt like, OK, I'm just going through the motions because I
• 2:45:21
  want to have a baby? Can you give us some insight?
• 2:45:24
  Like, what does that look like? It's so hard.
• 2:45:31
  It's so hard because, Yeah, it's like, you know, when you have to
• 2:45:35
  have sex to create. Yeah.
• 2:45:38
  Within you. Yeah.
• 2:45:39
  And so. And if you have been struggling
• 2:45:42
  to get pregnant, you've been tracking your cycles, you know,
• 2:45:45
  the days. And yes, like, it can become an
• 2:45:48
  obsession and it can become dangerous.
• 2:45:52
  But so it's like, how though? Because I know I have to be
• 2:45:54
  aware of this stuff. Yes.
• 2:45:56
  So how do I not let it become so like obsessive?
• 2:46:01
  And yeah, it's, I think for me, it took me a while to get to
• 2:46:08
  this point. Like, I don't even know, maybe a
• 2:46:10
  year or two years. I don't know the last two ish
• 2:46:13
  years of us getting trying to get pregnant.
• 2:46:17
  Yeah, I really had to look at this journey of trying to get
• 2:46:25
  pregnant as a fun one, as an exciting one.
• 2:46:29
  And yes, disappointment came through the months and months of
• 2:46:34
  seeing the negative pregnancy test, but being able to balance
• 2:46:38
  that out with. But this is fun and we're
• 2:46:40
  making, I'm making memories with my husband.
• 2:46:45
  You know, this is good. Like, it's good in growing me.
• 2:46:49
  It's growing, Paul. It's growing us as a married
• 2:46:52
  couple, as separate individuals. And, yeah, having that mindset
• 2:46:58
  of like, this is trying, but it's good.
• 2:47:01
  Yeah. I think like, when we start
• 2:47:04
  having intentional sex to try and get pregnant and, like, it
• 2:47:09
  doesn't happen immediately and we go months or even years, we
• 2:47:14
  immediately get the mindset of I'm having sex to get pregnant.
• 2:47:17
  And it's like, yes, you are, but also you're not.
• 2:47:21
  Like sex is so much more than just trying to get pregnant.
• 2:47:25
  And like, you know, we got to the point where we were like, I
• 2:47:29
  was taking injections shots, Yeah.
• 2:47:33
  And so it was like, yeah, you had to have sex right after you
• 2:47:36
  did the shot. And then six hours later and
• 2:47:39
  something, yeah, two times a day, three times a day.
• 2:47:42
  And it was like, yeah, this is insane.
• 2:47:45
  And so for me, I had to really intentionally with my own mind,
• 2:47:51
  whether Paul knew or not, like know that OK, yes, we're having
• 2:47:55
  sex for a specific reason. And because the doctor said we
• 2:47:58
  have to have it here now. But then tomorrow or the next
• 2:48:01
  day, like I'm going to make sure that we have sex.
• 2:48:03
  And it's for no other reason than to just be with my husband
• 2:48:07
  in that way. Do you think it's OK to have
• 2:48:10
  sometimes where you're like, OK, there is a schedule.
• 2:48:12
  We do have to follow it. So this might just be a little
• 2:48:14
  bit more practical medical like, is it OK to have that
• 2:48:18
  separation? Like, hey, we don't have all
• 2:48:20
  day. Like you've got to get to work
• 2:48:21
  or we're exhausted. Like we've just got to kind of
• 2:48:24
  like make this happen. Is that part of it?
• 2:48:28
  I think so, yeah. And and I think honestly, you
• 2:48:31
  have to talk about it with your husband of like, yeah, they're
• 2:48:35
  just going to be sometimes where we just get it then to get it.
• 2:48:37
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm so draining and exhausting
• 2:48:42
  and sad because you're not connecting with your spouse as
• 2:48:46
  you should be, you know? So overall, this is where they
• 2:48:49
  were in their marriage pre pregnancy.
• 2:48:51
  And for all I've said, this was probably the healthiest spot
• 2:48:54
  they'd been in so far, but it was not without its problems.
• 2:48:58
  That said, I think this was their peak.
• 2:49:00
  I think this is when they were happiest, healthiest, everything
• 2:49:04
  was good and then it wasn't. So let's take a look next at
• 2:49:09
  Morgan's solo vlogs. Because as I mentioned earlier,
• 2:49:11
  Morgan, as miserable as she seemed in lots of main channel
• 2:49:14
  videos, was also solo vlogging at this time and one of the big
• 2:49:18
  series that she had was following her problems with
• 2:49:20
  infertility. However, not everything on this
• 2:49:23
  channel was about infertility. So she started trying to make
• 2:49:26
  some cute coupley videos and just showing off her day-to-day
• 2:49:29
  life a bit. She was also trying to be an
• 2:49:31
  interior designer at this point and she had one client, her
• 2:49:34
  sister, and then she never did it again.
• 2:49:37
  They really do try out a lot of careers, but nothing much ever
• 2:49:40
  really sticks. It's interesting.
• 2:49:48
  What's up y'all? Welcome to my vlog channel,
• 2:49:54
  Morgan's vlogs. Morgan's mind.
• 2:49:57
  I don't really know what to call it quite yet, so hopefully by
• 2:50:00
  the time this video's up, I'll have figured that out, but just
• 2:50:04
  bring you all along in my life journey of the, you know, of
• 2:50:14
  being a wife, of learning what it means to be a homemaker.
• 2:50:20
  You hoping to get some treats? Squeeze it, huh?
• 2:50:30
  Good. Good.
• 2:50:35
  Yeah. So cute.
• 2:50:36
  Hey you guys, this it's a little bit of a different style video
• 2:50:41
  if you haven't already gotten that vibe, but I wanted to
• 2:50:45
  welcome you guys into our night in with Paul and Morgan.
• 2:50:53
  Welcome everybody to Chef Paulo's Kitchen.
• 2:50:55
  As you could probably tell, but maybe you couldn't tell at all
• 2:50:58
  and it's a mystery. I am making my signature fried
• 2:51:02
  rice. If I decided, Paul, it's time to
• 2:51:07
  pursue being a chef, that would be a good chef.
• 2:51:09
  He would, but I just have too much other stuff, right?
• 2:51:13
  If this one, if you wanted this to be one of your hobbies like
• 2:51:16
  you would become really good at, that'd be a good chef.
• 2:51:19
  I have my first design client. You guys, it's exciting.
• 2:51:24
  Get ready to find out who it is. It's my sister.
• 2:51:29
  I've helped my older sister Megan in the past with some
• 2:51:33
  design stuff, but today I am going to be showing her some
• 2:51:38
  design plans. We've already talked about what
• 2:51:39
  she wants to do a little bit, but we're going to be redoing
• 2:51:42
  her Master bedroom. Her and her husband just moved
• 2:51:45
  into a beautiful house, but they want to redo their master
• 2:51:48
  bedroom. And so of course I was like,
• 2:51:50
  yes, I want to help you. There was also an idea at this
• 2:52:07
  point of her making a series called Cosiest Couch
• 2:52:10
  Conversations, but she only ever made one episode where Paul was
• 2:52:13
  her guest. She had all these big ideas to
• 2:52:15
  get other guests on and do all this stuff, and then again, that
• 2:52:17
  never happened. Yeah.
• 2:52:20
  This episode, though, with Paul, was a roller coaster.
• 2:52:24
  This took place after the collab with Jacqueline Glenn, which
• 2:52:27
  we're going to be talking about in the next segment because it's
• 2:52:28
  a big chunky one and there's a lot to say about it.
• 2:52:31
  And it started off quite nicely. They were being silly with each
• 2:52:33
  other. It seemed calmer than their main
• 2:52:35
  channel videos. It felt like they were quieter,
• 2:52:37
  more real, less performative. Paul just kind of sat back and
• 2:52:41
  let Morgan lead the conversation without interrupting her or
• 2:52:43
  talking over her constantly. It was actually really nice to
• 2:52:46
  see and really nice to watch. It felt real.
• 2:52:49
  It felt like a real couple who actually liked each other.
• 2:52:51
  It was nice. We're going to be bringing on
• 2:52:55
  guests from all over the universe and having just cosy
• 2:53:00
  conversations with them. I want them to be cosy,
• 2:53:03
  comfortable so that I can ask them very uncomfortable
• 2:53:07
  questions. Wait, wait, wait, what?
• 2:53:12
  What did I sign up for? Ask me very uncomfortable
• 2:53:16
  questions. Yeah, but don't worry.
• 2:53:18
  You're going to be comfortable, so it's fine.
• 2:53:21
  Here we go. Who are you, really?
• 2:53:22
  My name is Paul Abraham Oligus. I'm 31 years old, a white
• 2:53:25
  Caucasian male from Kentucky. How tall are you?
• 2:53:29
  6/1 and 1/2. What made you decide YouTube was
• 2:53:33
  the route that you wanted to go? I don't know.
• 2:53:38
  I looked at YouTube as a place where I could put out content
• 2:53:43
  and it had potential of reaching a lot of people.
• 2:53:46
  That is a good feeling to me. He was also really self aware
• 2:53:49
  for a while about how people perceive him and how he responds
• 2:53:53
  to critics and commenters. Yeah, with the platform that
• 2:53:57
  you've created and the videos that we've put out, we and you
• 2:54:03
  have received backlash a good amount of times for videos that
• 2:54:10
  we put out. And we get comments, a good
• 2:54:15
  amount of messages of just people kind of like going ahead
• 2:54:20
  and perceiving like you as a person just from what they've
• 2:54:24
  taken from certain videos. And these are people who maybe
• 2:54:27
  are not actually willing to try to get to know you really know
• 2:54:31
  you or try to get to know me, but maybe some of them are and
• 2:54:35
  they still feel this way. So one of the popular ideas
• 2:54:41
  about who Paul is is that he is this conceited, cocky man.
• 2:54:49
  And I want to know, why do you think people think that about
• 2:54:54
  you? When I think of the negative
• 2:54:56
  comments and hate comments that we've gotten specifically
• 2:54:59
  against me, is that a trend? Do you feel like that's a trend?
• 2:55:03
  That's the messages that I get from people that are like, why
• 2:55:06
  would you ever marry such a selfish, conceitful man or
• 2:55:10
  conceited man? And I'm just like, like what?
• 2:55:13
  Yeah, probably. But ever since the Jacqueline
• 2:55:16
  Glynn video, that created a lot more of people saying, Morgan,
• 2:55:21
  you need to get out of there that relationship because Paul
• 2:55:25
  is emotionally abusive, all that stuff.
• 2:55:28
  So I guess that now is kind of giving people a stigma of
• 2:55:32
  Paul's, yeah, controlling and Paul's abusive and selfish.
• 2:55:37
  And so. So I guess that probably could
• 2:55:39
  tie into like the that he's he's proud and conceited.
• 2:55:43
  I just don't give much time to it.
• 2:55:45
  I see it. Whatever, move on.
• 2:55:49
  So, yeah, the like attacks against me.
• 2:55:51
  They really don't. They don't.
• 2:55:54
  They don't get to me. They really don't.
• 2:55:56
  I can speak as his wife and a woman who lives with him every
• 2:56:00
  single day of his life. I don't think I've ever seen
• 2:56:04
  that get to you. There have been a few times,
• 2:56:07
  like say in the last two months a couple times maybe where I'll
• 2:56:11
  read a comment and it will hit me a little bit, but that it
• 2:56:15
  hasn't necessarily. I don't think any of them have
• 2:56:18
  been attacks against me. They've been more like
• 2:56:20
  challenging our perspective, challenging our stance on
• 2:56:23
  something. And that, you know, when you
• 2:56:25
  have a person or a decent amount of people coming on a video and
• 2:56:30
  saying you guys are wrong or like, you know, you guys should
• 2:56:33
  be ashamed of this view, that can become a little heavy.
• 2:56:35
  And I'll, I'll tend to think about our stance, why we believe
• 2:56:38
  that. And yeah, so that's more of
• 2:56:41
  what'll get to me than just an attack on me.
• 2:56:43
  And probably because like I'm just confident and who I am and
• 2:56:47
  I'm confident that I have people that I trust that will call me
• 2:56:52
  out. It's funny because I can see why
• 2:56:56
  people would think that in some of our videos.
• 2:56:59
  Like he's like he said like him kissing his biceps or like
• 2:57:03
  saying something goofy or whatever to cut like
• 2:57:07
  purposefully acting kind of cocky.
• 2:57:10
  And it's just like I know that he's like 1000% joking but
• 2:57:14
  people that are watching and don't know didn't someone didn't
• 2:57:19
  die? I personally feel, and I could
• 2:57:21
  be wrong, but I feel like if someone watches our channel and
• 2:57:24
  already maybe dislikes our conservative Christian
• 2:57:29
  perspectives, we say stuff that's kind of hard to hear
• 2:57:32
  sometimes. And I'm not saying it's like
• 2:57:34
  always right, but we we go there.
• 2:57:36
  So if you're already coming in disliking what we're saying then
• 2:57:40
  it'll be easier to find things you don't like about our
• 2:57:42
  personality or our character or the way we're coming across.
• 2:57:47
  But then he goes and ruins it by saying he just has no emotions
• 2:57:51
  when his wife is upset and this is just concerning an odd.
• 2:57:55
  It feels like every time I feel myself feeling empathy for
• 2:57:58
  either of them or enjoying their content, they go and do
• 2:58:02
  something to immediately ruin it.
• 2:58:03
  Well, how does it make you feel when you see your wife, me
• 2:58:07
  crying or hurt from videos or things people have said, how
• 2:58:11
  does that feel? Yeah.
• 2:58:12
  How does it make you feel? I think with my ADHD and
• 2:58:16
  learning disabilities, I don't really feel.
• 2:58:19
  So that helps. That helps quite a bit.
• 2:58:22
  That's true, guys. That's honestly so true.
• 2:58:29
  I think my feeling radar and I, that was kind of a joke, you
• 2:58:32
  guys, that was kind of a joke, but my feeling emotion radar,
• 2:58:37
  like I definitely feel. I definitely have emotions, but
• 2:58:39
  I think it's not maybe normal. It's not it's not the best word
• 2:58:45
  I have or the best description I have from my experience making
• 2:58:49
  this video series and researching.
• 2:58:50
  It was emotional whiplash because I kept feeling like I
• 2:58:53
  was being pulled all over and all my emotions going.
• 2:58:56
  It was a lot. In July 2021.
• 2:58:59
  Paul and Morgan celebrate, well, wasn't really celebrated.
• 2:59:03
  It's the wrong word. Paul and Morgan had their fifth
• 2:59:06
  one wedding anniversary, and Morgan marked this occasion by
• 2:59:09
  vlogging the day and talking about the ups and downs of their
• 2:59:12
  marriage. It's a lot of like we used to be
• 2:59:14
  in this awful place, but now we're in a better place, honest.
• 2:59:18
  So, you know, I won't, you know, this won't be all lovey dovey
• 2:59:22
  and butterflies. It'll be a little bit of that
• 2:59:24
  and a little bit of like, here's the hardships that we've had to
• 2:59:27
  go through. So our first year of marriage
• 2:59:29
  was incredibly hard, not gonna lie.
• 2:59:33
  I think Paul and I just two very, very different people and
• 2:59:37
  we didn't realise how different we were.
• 2:59:40
  We didn't realise how much communication we actually needed
• 2:59:45
  in our marriage because we didn't realise how different we
• 2:59:48
  were and how like we thought a lot differently than one
• 2:59:52
  another. So that was a huge challenge and
• 2:59:56
  just trying to figure out how to love one another because we
• 3:00:00
  both. Like, our love languages are
• 3:00:02
  very different. So yeah, that was interesting
• 3:00:06
  time to try and work through. Also, I was struggling still
• 3:00:11
  with depression and anxiety. There's a different kind of pain
• 3:00:15
  that you experience in marriage because it's like, it's
• 3:00:19
  heartbreak. It's when like, your spouse or
• 3:00:23
  you just don't understand something.
• 3:00:25
  And so like you get into an argument, you get into a
• 3:00:28
  disagreement and like there's just this like confusion and
• 3:00:33
  anger and hurt and frustration that is just so painful.
• 3:00:40
  But it's and it's like it's almost like heartbreak, but it's
• 3:00:43
  like, you know, that you're gonna heal and recover from
• 3:00:46
  this. But having to go through the
• 3:00:49
  heartbreak and the pain, it's like just something that you
• 3:00:52
  don't experience until you're in marriage.
• 3:00:54
  Then you get through it and it's like that pain doesn't even
• 3:00:58
  matter anymore. Like I look back at the the
• 3:01:01
  stuff that happened and like, I'm totally healed and recovered
• 3:01:05
  from that. Yeah, my patients still has a
• 3:01:08
  long way to go, but it's definitely grown in like because
• 3:01:14
  I remember when Paul, oh man, Paul would get into his head and
• 3:01:19
  it would drive me insane. Like, I would kind of be mean.
• 3:01:22
  Like I would just be like, get over it.
• 3:01:24
  Like what's wrong with you? Why are you?
• 3:01:25
  Why can't you move past this? And like, I just had no
• 3:01:29
  patience. And luckily, one, you're not up
• 3:01:32
  in your head as much as you used to be when we first got married.
• 3:01:35
  But two, I have like, for the most part, gotten better at
• 3:01:39
  being like, it's OK, babe. Yeah, it has.
• 3:01:43
  It has. And that, I mean, just one thing
• 3:01:45
  that comes to my mind early on in our marriage when we used to
• 3:01:49
  be driving and I would like, not get in the right lane, like the,
• 3:01:53
  you know, the lane to turn, the turning lane as quick as Morgan
• 3:01:56
  would like. Or maybe I would, like, miss a
• 3:01:58
  turn or go away that she wasn't thinking.
• 3:02:00
  She would, like, snap at me. And it would like, not be fun
• 3:02:05
  driving. And she has gotten a lot more
• 3:02:07
  patient about just letting me drive.
• 3:02:11
  I do believe them. I do believe they were in a
• 3:02:13
  better place here and this was their high point, but I also
• 3:02:17
  kind of feel like it went downhill after this.
• 3:02:19
  The final content I want to touch on in this section is
• 3:02:21
  Morgan's infertility experience. And she made a lot of videos
• 3:02:24
  about this on her vlog channel. Now obviously this is a
• 3:02:27
  difficult subject and as much as we can critique Morgan for many
• 3:02:30
  of her views and actions, I think when it comes to her
• 3:02:33
  infertility struggles this is something we have to be
• 3:02:35
  sensitive and non judgmental about.
• 3:02:38
  It was really brave of her to share her experiences here and I
• 3:02:41
  think it's important that we cover it at least briefly
• 3:02:44
  because it shows us how much she was struggling at this time and
• 3:02:47
  maybe explains why she got Mina and Grumpier on their main
• 3:02:49
  channel in general. Maybe kind of, I don't know.
• 3:02:53
  She even admits that several points in these blogs that she
• 3:02:55
  just hasn't wanted to get on camera, and that got even worse
• 3:02:57
  when she found out that the holistic specialist she'd been
• 3:03:00
  seeing to help her with her fertility issues had actually
• 3:03:03
  been making things worse. She did include shots in these
• 3:03:06
  vlogs of her taking pregnancy tests and just sobbing when they
• 3:03:09
  were negative. And I don't understand how
• 3:03:11
  anyone could watch these and not feel sorry for her.
• 3:03:13
  You really do. Like just you want to give her a
• 3:03:15
  big hug, You do. But ultimately though, this did
• 3:03:18
  end in Morgan find out she was pregnant.
• 3:03:20
  And again, the joy in this video is genuinely lovely.
• 3:03:24
  You can dislike Morgan as much as you want, and I do, but I
• 3:03:28
  think there's real joy here and it's lovely to see.
• 3:03:30
  And you do genuinely feel so happy for her.
• 3:03:32
  I feel like something I'm coming to realise is that I need to be
• 3:03:40
  careful with not taking this time of my life, of being
• 3:03:46
  married without children for granted.
• 3:03:50
  Like, I can't forget that this is a really beautiful stage in
• 3:03:53
  life that, like, Paul and I will not get back until after our
• 3:03:56
  kids are grown and gone. And it'll be much different
• 3:04:00
  then. And also just like, yeah, trying
• 3:04:02
  not to get so wrapped up in getting pregnant that I forget
• 3:04:06
  to enjoy being not pregnant and not having kids and being OK
• 3:04:12
  with, like, it just being me and Paul and Squishy.
• 3:04:15
  Like, it's a beautiful thing. Not in my normal cheery mood
• 3:04:20
  really. And it's been like this for a
• 3:04:24
  little while now this past month and 1/2 has just been like a
• 3:04:29
  really challenging month and a half.
• 3:04:34
  I don't really like love being in front of the camera right
• 3:04:37
  now. It's been hard for me to film
• 3:04:42
  like the Pollen Morgan videos and Go Live because I just feel
• 3:04:48
  like it's kind of fake because I just don't have a whole lot of
• 3:04:52
  energy or motivation Or I don't want to say joy because I have
• 3:04:57
  the joy of the Lord with me always.
• 3:05:00
  But sometimes that joy is a little harder to hold on to than
• 3:05:07
  other times. As you guys know, I have been on
• 3:05:11
  a fertility journey for 4 1/2 years.
• 3:05:15
  Paul and I have had unprotective sex.
• 3:05:18
  We have just left that totally up to the Lord.
• 3:05:22
  And over the past, I say 2 1/2, three years we've been like
• 3:05:29
  actively trying to have a child and nothing has happened.
• 3:05:34
  So for the past year I have been seeing a Doctor Who is not a
• 3:05:39
  fertility specialist, is more like a holistic naturopath, full
• 3:05:44
  body gut health, brain health, whatever type doctor.
• 3:05:48
  And after a year of nothing happening or changing, I
• 3:05:54
  decided, OK, I'm going to go see a fertility specialist.
• 3:06:00
  So I've been seeing a fertility specialist and she told me
• 3:06:05
  basically that the past year I have kind of made things worse.
• 3:06:15
  She didn't say I made things worse, She said my doctor made
• 3:06:18
  things worse. She was like, whatever this
• 3:06:21
  doctor was having you do, it was not what needed to be done for
• 3:06:25
  you to get in the perfect health to have a child.
• 3:06:30
  She was like, actually whatever she was having you do, all the
• 3:06:35
  stuff she was having you do, the medications that she put me on,
• 3:06:39
  she was like, it kind of made things worse.
• 3:06:42
  And almost like the best way I can describe it is I basically
• 3:06:46
  was on birth control for the past year without being on birth
• 3:06:52
  control. Well, right now I just feel like
• 3:06:55
  I'm just like in a state of grief.
• 3:06:57
  I don't know what state I've felt the anger, the denial, the
• 3:07:02
  sadness, the whatever. I don't know all the stages of
• 3:07:07
  grief. And this was like literally
• 3:07:08
  yesterday for me. So I, I'm, I haven't quite
• 3:07:14
  totally processed it if you can't tell, but I'm just really
• 3:07:19
  sad and like, if I think about it for more than a few minutes,
• 3:07:22
  I start to cry. I never thought that I would
• 3:07:28
  struggle with fertility. I never even knew that that
• 3:07:32
  really was a thing. Honestly.
• 3:07:35
  I never thought that I would pee on a stick over and over and
• 3:07:40
  over again for five years and consistently see not pregnant
• 3:07:45
  every single time. Except for that one time I did
• 3:07:48
  get a false positive. That was really fun.
• 3:07:51
  Not because month after month of being told you're not pregnant
• 3:07:56
  is incredibly draining, exhausting, and heartbreaking.
• 3:07:59
  Literally having to take injections to try and get
• 3:08:03
  pregnant. I'm shaking right now.
• 3:08:12
  It's been a week since I've taken pregnancy test and I still
• 3:08:22
  haven't started my period. Hey guys, they're going to sit
• 3:08:26
  there for three minutes. Yeah.
• 3:08:30
  Oh God. Well, they were like, oh boy.
• 3:08:40
  So does it just pop up then? Negative or positive?
• 3:08:43
  Because pregnant or not pregnant, it says those words.
• 3:09:06
  No way. There's a baby out there.
• 3:09:49
  Sadly, again I feel like this is one of their high points.
• 3:09:51
  And after this it all seemed to go downhill again.
• 3:09:54
  Morgan did flog her all pregnancy her whole pregnancy
• 3:09:57
  and we will cover that in a later section.
• 3:09:59
  But first I want to cover something else big that happened
• 3:10:02
  during this era and that was the collaboration with atheist
• 3:10:06
  YouTube Jacqueline Glenn. Over the years, Jacqueline Glenn
• 3:10:10
  had made a number of response videos to Paul and Morgan, as
• 3:10:13
  had many of us. However, I do think Jacqueline,
• 3:10:18
  as much as I like her as a person and I think she's very
• 3:10:20
  lovely in person, and you have to admit, her videos with some
• 3:10:24
  of the harshest ones out there, she was very mocking, she was
• 3:10:27
  scathing, she was snarky. You can't deny that.
• 3:10:44
  Because I'm starting to think maybe you're full of shit.
• 3:10:46
  It looks like they're happy. Good for them.
• 3:10:48
  Super annoying, but good for that.
• 3:10:50
  I feel for them. I kind of feel bad for them
• 3:10:52
  because like I said, I myself was very similar and I know how
• 3:10:56
  unhappy I was. It's incredibly stressful to
• 3:10:58
  live life the way that they're living life.
• 3:11:01
  However, at some point, Jacqueline and her husband David
• 3:11:04
  went for dinner with Paul and Morgan.
• 3:11:06
  And then a few months later, Jacqueline made a video about
• 3:11:09
  Jesse Lee Peterson titled Should Women Be Educated?
• 3:11:13
  And Paul and Morgan decided to respond back to her.
• 3:11:16
  This was in August 2021. So they weren't even responded
• 3:11:19
  to a response video about them, but another video of hers, Paul
• 3:11:23
  and Morgan. I saw a picture with you and
• 3:11:26
  Jacqueline Glenn and her husband David.
• 3:11:28
  What is going on? So a month or two ago, we got
• 3:11:32
  dinner with Jacqueline and her husband David, in Nashville.
• 3:11:35
  We reached out to them, said, hey, want to get some dinner?
• 3:11:38
  We'll be in Nashville. She said yes.
• 3:11:41
  So we got dinner. We hung out for several hours.
• 3:11:44
  It was a really good time. We just got to know each other,
• 3:11:47
  chat about life. Yeah.
• 3:11:48
  It was just really blessed. And I think we all, all four of
• 3:11:52
  us left, I think, feeling like friends.
• 3:11:54
  That said, there are still some very significant differences,
• 3:11:58
  obviously in the Paul and Morgan show being a conservative
• 3:12:02
  Christian channel and Jacqueline's channel, which is,
• 3:12:05
  I mean, she, she's very outspoken about being an
• 3:12:08
  atheist. Major differences in today's
• 3:12:10
  video. Paul and Morgan, Jacqueline
• 3:12:13
  Glenn's two favourite conservative Christians.
• 3:12:18
  Wow, OK. I'm sorry.
• 3:12:21
  I we are up there. I think we are.
• 3:12:23
  We. This was mainly Morgan's idea.
• 3:12:26
  But I feel I feel good about it. I think no, I feel good about
• 3:12:29
  it. We are.
• 3:12:31
  What are we doing, Morgan? OK, Jack and Glenn made a video
• 3:12:33
  on Jesse Lee Peterson and a conversation that he had with a
• 3:12:37
  group of guys talking about, should we have educated women?
• 3:12:41
  Was it a big mistake to educate women?
• 3:12:44
  Now, this video was a pretty huge deal because I think this
• 3:12:46
  was the first time, or at least warned the first times that I'd
• 3:12:49
  seen them push back against a conservative Christian creator
• 3:12:53
  for being too conservative. So why was it a big mistake to
• 3:12:57
  educate women? Because look at them, they're
• 3:13:00
  already like conceited and think that they know better without
• 3:13:05
  that stuff. And then when they get the
• 3:13:08
  education, and by the way, education is like geared towards
• 3:13:11
  girls now. Yeah.
• 3:13:13
  It's like, I don't know if it's meant to be like that.
• 3:13:16
  It's a girl education and it's weak.
• 3:13:19
  I mean, just look at them. Look at him.
• 3:13:23
  Jesse talks with a little bit. Sometimes it's kind of hard to
• 3:13:25
  understand him. First he asks was it a mistake
• 3:13:28
  to educate women? And then he says, why was it a
• 3:13:30
  big mistake? Because look at him.
• 3:13:31
  Jesse Lee Petersons got a YouTube channel with 319,000
• 3:13:35
  subscribers. Yeah, I'm listening to this and
• 3:13:37
  I'm like, wow, all four guys are in agreement pretty much talking
• 3:13:42
  about this. Should women be educated?
• 3:13:43
  And we're going to get to some more clips.
• 3:13:45
  But in just getting ready for this video, I did watch a few
• 3:13:48
  other of his videos. And yeah, I mean, this is very,
• 3:13:51
  very normal. So he's just this bold this,
• 3:13:54
  this in your face triggering, stir the pot, infuriate people.
• 3:14:01
  I do kind of wonder how much of it is he's purposefully trying
• 3:14:04
  to be inflammatory or if it's just truly deeply held beliefs
• 3:14:09
  by him. Pretty much that clip was one of
• 3:14:11
  his Co hosts I guess. Anything stand out to you there?
• 3:14:14
  Look at them. They're so conceited already
• 3:14:17
  before education. I just think that's so like what
• 3:14:21
  the heck? And Jacqueline mentioned this as
• 3:14:23
  well. You're literally saying women
• 3:14:24
  are conceited, yet you're sitting here like on your high
• 3:14:27
  and mighty horse. Who the heck are you?
• 3:14:30
  Like you so conceited You're getting pretty already pretty
• 3:14:34
  fired up. Yes, I feel like right out of
• 3:14:38
  the gate, the start was not great.
• 3:14:40
  Terrible. It was terrible.
• 3:14:42
  Unless their goal, the four of theirs goal, is to just
• 3:14:45
  completely trigger. They actually most agreed with
• 3:14:49
  Jacqueline and said that yes, Jesse Lee Peterson was going too
• 3:14:51
  far and they started asking if he was purposely being
• 3:14:54
  controversial. I see the irony there.
• 3:14:56
  And Morgan was genuinely getting mad about some of the things he
• 3:14:59
  said and they were both agreeing with Jacqueline.
• 3:15:01
  So do you see Morgan can get angry about important things?
• 3:15:04
  I just feel like if she directed her anger towards helping people
• 3:15:07
  instead of being a bigger, the world would be a much better
• 3:15:10
  place. So it seemed like Paul and
• 3:15:11
  Morgan are making steps in the right direction, right?
• 3:15:14
  Maybe, maybe not, no. A few months later, in December
• 3:15:19
  2021, Paul and Morgan and Jacqueline and David collabed,
• 3:15:22
  which resulted in two big videos being posted on each of, well,
• 3:15:26
  one big video on each of their channels, 2 videos total.
• 3:15:29
  This all seemed really positive and great.
• 3:15:32
  And you know, I've, I've met Jacqueline and David when they
• 3:15:35
  were in London a few years back and they are lovely people.
• 3:15:37
  They're very nice, so I can understand like that.
• 3:15:40
  They would be very welcoming to Paul and Morgan.
• 3:15:42
  They'd make them feel comfortable.
• 3:15:43
  They'd be nice to them because that's just you, Jacqueline and
• 3:15:45
  David R, right. What's up, everybody?
• 3:15:47
  And welcome to another video on my channel.
• 3:15:49
  In this video, we're going to be talking about Paul and Morgan
• 3:15:51
  because I got some stuff to say about them.
• 3:15:55
  Be nice. A few months back, Morgan
• 3:15:59
  reached out and I totally didn't even know that she messaged me
• 3:16:04
  and sorry, and David actually got a message and let me know
• 3:16:08
  that you wanted to hang out because you were going to be in
• 3:16:10
  Nashville. So we all got dinner and posted
• 3:16:14
  a picture and that was received. Interestingly, I'll say it was
• 3:16:21
  received. Some people were happy, some
• 3:16:23
  people were less than thrilled. Since our last meeting, things
• 3:16:28
  have kind of changed in an interesting way.
• 3:16:31
  You guys got to have a conversation with the one the
• 3:16:36
  only, Jesse Lee Peterson. Amazing.
• 3:16:39
  It does feel a lot like maybe they bonded over having a
• 3:16:41
  common, not necessarily enemy, but like that's the best word,
• 3:16:45
  like a common enemy in Jesse Lee Peterson and having interesting
• 3:16:49
  experiences with him. I feel like they did kind of
• 3:16:51
  bond over that and they had something in common there.
• 3:16:53
  Morgan even say something very interesting here because it's
• 3:16:56
  like she experienced religious misogyny overtly for the first
• 3:16:59
  time in her life and she was shocked by it.
• 3:17:02
  And it's a genuine shame to see that after seeing this misogyny
• 3:17:07
  and being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this isn't right.
• 3:17:09
  She did go straight back to anti feminist content after this
• 3:17:12
  because I feel like it could have been a great learning
• 3:17:14
  moment for her. I remember just the week after
• 3:17:17
  the interview I literally like I struggled with just like my view
• 3:17:23
  towards men in general. Like I was just so hurt by how
• 3:17:29
  they treated me. It was weird.
• 3:17:32
  And like I don't know I'm oh double hug.
• 3:17:36
  I, like, had never been treated like that by a group of men.
• 3:17:41
  It was pretty shocking in that way.
• 3:17:43
  Like that was just a whole new experience.
• 3:17:45
  And I was just like, wow, Did it feel that he was, like able to
• 3:17:49
  speak to you in that way because of his beliefs, because of like,
• 3:17:52
  his Bible element? Yeah.
• 3:17:55
  I mean, just all of his views on women.
• 3:17:59
  I mean, like, and it just when I even said, I think I said in our
• 3:18:03
  video, and I said to him, like, I feel like you hate women.
• 3:18:06
  And he was like, I don't hate women, I love women pretty good.
• 3:18:12
  Before we look at any more of that video between Jacqueline
• 3:18:15
  and Paul and Morgan, I just want to take a moment to go back in
• 3:18:18
  time to look at the Jesse Lee Peterson video where Paul and
• 3:18:21
  Morgan debated him for a moment because I think it provides good
• 3:18:24
  context. So this was posted on Jesse's
• 3:18:27
  YouTube channel a couple weeks ago.
• 3:18:30
  My experts and I had a discussion about women who vote,
• 3:18:38
  and we said that one of the worst mistakes that America made
• 3:18:44
  is to allow women to vote. I mean to be educated, to be
• 3:18:50
  educated, and that an educated woman would never make for a
• 3:18:54
  Good Wife or mother and that a man should never marry an
• 3:19:02
  educated woman. Before that reason, my experts
• 3:19:04
  and I So what do you, what do you respond when someone watches
• 3:19:09
  your show and says, man, it just feels like you're leaning really
• 3:19:13
  heavily more on the negative hate stuff.
• 3:19:17
  I I understand that it's a blind person who cannot see and so
• 3:19:22
  it's not personal. They just can't see.
• 3:19:25
  Sometimes we're just like our jaws are on the floor.
• 3:19:28
  So you do have people in our camp that aren't like this guy
• 3:19:32
  that called in, but that are just like this guy is such an
• 3:19:35
  extremist. So I'm I don't know.
• 3:19:37
  I know you know this, but I don't know that you do.
• 3:19:42
  Give me an example of an inflammatory and or extremist.
• 3:19:47
  We can do it something like that.
• 3:19:49
  You said yes, yes, everything a woman touches turns to hell,
• 3:19:55
  right? And I quote, can you give me an
• 3:19:59
  and I'm sticking to that because it's so true.
• 3:20:03
  If you notice, when men are not there to guide women and how to
• 3:20:08
  raise their children, the children end up becoming drug
• 3:20:11
  addicts and angry, immoral, emotional, depressed.
• 3:20:18
  They have no peace. Because women don't know how to
• 3:20:22
  raise children. They need the light of the
• 3:20:24
  father to guide them. I mean, of their husband to
• 3:20:26
  guide them in raising children. But like, everything a woman
• 3:20:31
  touches turns to hell. Yeah.
• 3:20:32
  Can we, like, at least narrow that and clarify that a little
• 3:20:35
  bit? Oh, OK.
• 3:20:37
  All things that women touches turn to dust.
• 3:20:42
  Do you think that? Do you disagree with that in a
• 3:20:47
  lot of what you said, yes. But do you think that, yeah, you
• 3:20:51
  disagree with him, you agree with him and a lot of what he
• 3:20:53
  said, or you disagree? I disagree.
• 3:20:55
  What have I said that you disagree with about?
• 3:20:57
  And those statements, I think to say that all things women touch
• 3:21:05
  turns to hell, I just feel like is a very drastic statement.
• 3:21:10
  I I definitely see what you're saying in that yes, there's a
• 3:21:13
  lot of crap in schools. And that's why Paul and I have
• 3:21:16
  made the personal decision to homeschool our children when we
• 3:21:19
  have kids. I think whether women or men
• 3:21:21
  were in charge, because we live in a fallen world, schools are
• 3:21:26
  gonna become further and further away from God, in my opinion,
• 3:21:31
  the further we get away from God as a country as a whole.
• 3:21:34
  But it wouldn't do that if man were in charge.
• 3:21:38
  And the reason for that is that God above is the man's God, and
• 3:21:43
  the God below is the woman's God.
• 3:21:46
  Morgan, let me ask, do you, is Paul the head of you?
• 3:21:51
  Yes, he is. And do you obey him?
• 3:21:54
  I do my best. I'm not perfect.
• 3:21:58
  Do you obey him? Yes, I try.
• 3:22:03
  Do you obey him? Hey.
• 3:22:07
  Hey. Real quick, Jesse.
• 3:22:08
  Hold on, Paul. Hold on, Paul.
• 3:22:10
  Don't say nothing else. You can be.
• 3:22:12
  Don't be funny. You can be.
• 3:22:13
  You can be. Enjoyable to listen to.
• 3:22:15
  I'm going to admit that. Oh, thank you, man.
• 3:22:17
  I appreciate that. Do you obey him, Morgan?
• 3:22:21
  Yes, I do. You do.
• 3:22:24
  And how does he deal with the hell in you when it comes out?
• 3:22:27
  How does Paul handle that? When the hell comes out of me?
• 3:22:32
  Yes. You say when the hell comes out,
• 3:22:36
  how does Paul handle it? Right.
• 3:22:38
  What about, I mean, you would also say that goes both ways.
• 3:22:41
  What about when the hell comes out of the man, the Christian
• 3:22:44
  man? How does she put up with that?
• 3:22:47
  Right? I didn't think that.
• 3:22:49
  You said you were born with, you believed in Jesus, right?
• 3:22:53
  Yes. So I didn't think you had hell
• 3:22:55
  coming out of you. You still have hell coming out
• 3:22:57
  of you. But she believes in Jesus,
• 3:23:01
  right? Where's the difference?
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  But I'll get to that in a minute.
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  But make sure you want to hear it right?
• 3:23:09
  You scared around this? I won't at all.
• 3:23:11
  But I want to get to that. Are you saying that even though
• 3:23:14
  you believe in Jesus, you still have hell coming out of you?
• 3:23:18
  Hell is a strong word that you used and horses coasting on that
• 3:23:23
  one. Have you forgiven your mother?
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  For what? For imposing her will upon you?
• 3:23:32
  For raising me the way she wanted to raise me?
• 3:23:34
  Right? My mom is an amazing woman of
• 3:23:39
  God and oh Lord, those the worst ones.
• 3:23:44
  She was not perfect growing up, but she loved me deeply and laid
• 3:23:50
  her life down for her children. Her mom was a good woman.
• 3:23:54
  No such thing. Yes, there is, buddy Paul.
• 3:23:59
  So have you forgiven her, Morgan?
• 3:24:01
  So one of my biggest concerns is seeing the way you guys, the
• 3:24:08
  four of you, all the experts were talking among yourselves
• 3:24:11
  and you were focusing so heavily on it's, you know, here's what's
• 3:24:16
  the issues with the women. It's obviously their everything
• 3:24:20
  they touch turns to hell. Like, OK, why aren't you
• 3:24:24
  bringing the men into the equation?
• 3:24:25
  Because one of your statements on your videos is kind of like
• 3:24:30
  helping the household by helping the men, rebuilding the family
• 3:24:36
  by rebuilding the man. Yeah.
• 3:24:38
  So why deal with men issues all the time?
• 3:24:41
  Don't you think it would be profitable though, to really
• 3:24:44
  just go after the men and say men, let's rise up to be what
• 3:24:50
  God, to be all God wants us to be, to be the leaders God wants
• 3:24:52
  us to be? At least put like half of that
• 3:24:55
  or some of that on the men. But it seems like you guys focus
• 3:24:57
  so heavily on why the women are all the problem.
• 3:25:01
  We deal with both because when men turn away from their mothers
• 3:25:04
  and back to the fathers, they're going to bring the women under
• 3:25:09
  control. They're going to bring, why
• 3:25:10
  don't you? They're going to bring the women
• 3:25:12
  to order. At least the video we watched,
• 3:25:15
  it was all about the women. No, watch more on that video.
• 3:25:19
  It was about because a lot of men are catching hell from
• 3:25:22
  educating women and we're telling them don't marry these
• 3:25:25
  women. They they think that they're
• 3:25:27
  equal to men. I do have to give credit where
• 3:25:30
  it's due and I think it was nice to see Paul and Morgan push back
• 3:25:33
  a bit here. I really do commend Paul for
• 3:25:35
  stepping in and standing up, standing up for both Morgan and
• 3:25:38
  his mother-in-law and being like whoa no this is not OK.
• 3:25:42
  I do find it interesting that there was more push back here
• 3:25:45
  than Jacqueline ever gave them in their collab, which is
• 3:25:47
  interesting, but I guess you could say the videos fulfil
• 3:25:50
  different purposes. Like I say, I think Paul and
• 3:25:53
  Morgan have been exposed to subtle covert misogyny through
• 3:25:55
  their churches, family and friends their whole life and
• 3:25:58
  they often perpetuate that message and ideology in their
• 3:26:00
  own content. However I think this was the
• 3:26:02
  first time they ever came face to face with such overt misogyny
• 3:26:06
  and they've noticed that it affected them or Morgan at least
• 3:26:09
  and realised hey this isn't a nice feeling is it?
• 3:26:12
  I just find it confusing and a little frustrating that Morgan
• 3:26:15
  can be so opposed to this and then still on and then still go
• 3:26:19
  on to say yes but I'm an anti feminist and promote anti
• 3:26:22
  feminist messaging on her channels.
• 3:26:24
  Feminism is what stops all men from being like this.
• 3:26:27
  Feminism is what allows Morgan to have a YouTube channel and a
• 3:26:31
  voice and her own income and be able to choose her own husband.
• 3:26:36
  Unless you're OK with all men speaking to you, like Jesse Lee
• 3:26:39
  Peterson was here, then you need feminism and are to some extent,
• 3:26:42
  A feminist. But back to the Jacqueline and
• 3:26:46
  Paul and Morgan collab. And yeah, I think one of the
• 3:26:49
  things that's a little frustrating to watch is there
• 3:26:51
  was a lot of them like agreeing with each other on things and
• 3:26:55
  then being like, oh, we disagree on this.
• 3:26:56
  But then there was never any pushback.
• 3:26:58
  They never looked at why they disagreed or dived deeper into
• 3:27:00
  it. And I feel like this is the same
• 3:27:02
  pattern we saw with the Bethany Beal Self collab too.
• 3:27:05
  A lot of people hyped it up and the people involved were like,
• 3:27:08
  we're such good friends. And people thought it was going
• 3:27:10
  to get these fundies to change their mind and be better people
• 3:27:13
  or at least see them challenged on some of their more harmful
• 3:27:16
  ideas. But ultimately, it was all just
• 3:27:18
  a bit performative and didn't really do much.
• 3:27:21
  The friendships didn't continue long term.
• 3:27:23
  The fundies went back to being crappy people, just as before,
• 3:27:26
  and that was it. They weren't challenged, they
• 3:27:29
  didn't come away with any different ideas.
• 3:27:32
  It gave them a little bit of a positive image boost for a
• 3:27:38
  while, but didn't do any long term change.
• 3:27:41
  But I don't know, maybe I'm just being cynical of YouTube
• 3:27:43
  friendships in general. Paul did point out that he found
• 3:27:47
  their conversation more challenging than the
• 3:27:48
  conversations he has with his Christine friends, but I don't
• 3:27:51
  really think it had any long term consequences since he said
• 3:27:54
  it felt like it just solidified his own bigoted position.
• 3:27:57
  He didn't use what bigoted I did, but you get the idea.
• 3:28:01
  Yeah, and that's a good point, Jacqueline, because I was
• 3:28:03
  thinking about it. Some of our conversations
• 3:28:05
  perhaps are more challenging than if we were just hanging out
• 3:28:08
  with our Christian friends. But it is.
• 3:28:11
  And it might sound kind of weird, but I think it's just the
• 3:28:14
  reality. And maybe it's the same with you
• 3:28:15
  guys, like you all could be hanging out with friends that
• 3:28:18
  are very like minded and just feels so like fluid and easy.
• 3:28:21
  But with us, like there are some significant differences.
• 3:28:24
  But it is a cool way to challenge ourselves to almost,
• 3:28:30
  you know, hear another side that has a different perspective, but
• 3:28:33
  also solidify what we believe, why we believe it.
• 3:28:37
  I think that's a good thing. And when you're around certain
• 3:28:41
  people and like you, just your mind is open to a lot of
• 3:28:45
  different just thoughts and and ways people think.
• 3:28:48
  And so I think that it is really cool to have friends who don't
• 3:28:52
  see eye to eye with you, who think differently on things, who
• 3:28:55
  respond in different ways. I think it's really beneficial
• 3:28:59
  to you to just grow as a human being.
• 3:29:01
  There was also a second video on Paula Morgan's channel with both
• 3:29:04
  of them talking about marriages. It was Christian versus atheist
• 3:29:07
  marriages. This one was interesting but in
• 3:29:09
  a different way because it starts off with them both given
• 3:29:11
  definitions of what they think a healthy marriage is.
• 3:29:14
  And then Paul comes in with the wives submit your husband's
• 3:29:17
  line. And this is what I mean about
• 3:29:19
  there being no pushback. Christians versus atheist.
• 3:29:24
  Oh man. And kind of a Jew marriage Q&A.
• 3:29:31
  This is going to be awesome. Kingdom work together.
• 3:29:34
  Yeah. Husbands loving your wives as
• 3:29:36
  Christ loved the church wives submitting to your husbands.
• 3:29:41
  This is this is all right. Hell yeah.
• 3:29:46
  Let's go Scripture. But we I think we're in total
• 3:29:53
  agreement with what Jackman and David said.
• 3:29:55
  Was that too soon? It's OK.
• 3:29:58
  I totally was ready for you to say that.
• 3:30:00
  It's like long until they say this.
• 3:30:02
  And it was it rolled off my tongue.
• 3:30:04
  It rolled off my tongue. All right, next question.
• 3:30:07
  Jacqueline may joke about it, but ultimately didn't challenge
• 3:30:10
  it. And that's why I think this
• 3:30:12
  collab just sort of fell flat and didn't change anything and
• 3:30:14
  didn't really help anyone. If she'd actually sat down with
• 3:30:17
  him and said like, well, actually, hang on, why do you
• 3:30:18
  think that? Let's talk about it.
• 3:30:20
  Let's think about why your reasoning may be wrong or right,
• 3:30:22
  or you know what this means and what the consequences are.
• 3:30:25
  What does this look like in practise?
• 3:30:26
  Why do you feel this way? It may have done a bit more
• 3:30:29
  good. So I was checking on cubes.
• 3:30:32
  It was nice to see the similarities between them come
• 3:30:35
  out, but neither side was ever going to learn anything or grow
• 3:30:39
  unless the other challenged them.
• 3:30:40
  And clearly there was no challenging going on.
• 3:30:42
  There are a few judgmental comments from Paul about
• 3:30:44
  Jacqueline's lifestyle, but nothing reeling in return.
• 3:30:49
  I do get it though. And I found that even while
• 3:30:51
  making this video, not even having spent time with Paul and
• 3:30:54
  Morgan directly, I did find myself at times going a little
• 3:30:56
  bit easier on them. Finding moments where I really
• 3:30:58
  liked them as people and then being jerked back to reality
• 3:31:01
  when they said something awful. As I've said a few times
• 3:31:04
  already. And I do feel like this is kind
• 3:31:09
  of one of the scariest and most potentially dangerous things out
• 3:31:13
  there in regards to this, and it's something I spoke about on
• 3:31:15
  my channel before, but not for a while.
• 3:31:19
  I think while it's good to interact with and be friends
• 3:31:21
  with and have empathy for people you disagree with, and I'm not
• 3:31:24
  saying we shouldn't have empathy for Paul and Morgan, of course
• 3:31:26
  we should. I think sometimes a friendship
• 3:31:29
  can cloud your judgement a bit and you can let people get away
• 3:31:31
  with doing bad stuff that you wouldn't let them get away with
• 3:31:35
  if they were just strangers. And I've fallen into that trap
• 3:31:37
  plenty of times. I also think when you have
• 3:31:40
  public figures who are like Paul and Morgan and, you know, they
• 3:31:43
  used to be young and attractive and charismatic and give off
• 3:31:46
  this friendly air. They don't now, but they used
• 3:31:48
  to. I think when you have people
• 3:31:50
  like that, it's easy to see why the public fall into these
• 3:31:54
  parasocial relationships with them and begin to trust them.
• 3:31:57
  And then when they start spewing hateful beliefs or bad science
• 3:32:00
  or misinformation or whatever it is amongst their like friendly,
• 3:32:04
  cheery, attractive personas, I think it's more likely that
• 3:32:08
  people are going to fall for the harmful stuff.
• 3:32:10
  And that's why I think it's dangerous and scary.
• 3:32:12
  I don't know if I'm explaining myself right.
• 3:32:14
  My head's getting a bit foggy. Pain's coming back.
• 3:32:19
  OK. Also, here's I just, I think
• 3:32:23
  it's difficult to find the right balance between not just
• 3:32:25
  demonising people for the sake of it, but still criticising
• 3:32:28
  them fairly. That's what I'm trying to do
• 3:32:30
  with this video, find that balance.
• 3:32:32
  But it's a fine line to walk. It's hard and also very quickly.
• 3:32:35
  Here's a clip because the topic of divorce is brought up and
• 3:32:38
  Paul says this biblically, there's not a lot of grounds for
• 3:32:42
  divorce. I won't say anything now, but
• 3:32:44
  remember this for later in the video because Paul is a massive
• 3:32:46
  hypocrite. And I think the final thing I
• 3:32:49
  want to say about this is that for a while, so many people were
• 3:32:52
  like, oh, look, Paul and Morgan might be changing.
• 3:32:55
  Look how good this is. This is progress.
• 3:32:57
  They're becoming better people, only for them to almost
• 3:33:00
  immediately afterwards come out and say, yeah, mate, that's not
• 3:33:03
  going to happen. We are just doubling down on
• 3:33:06
  everything harmful, we say. And then they became more
• 3:33:08
  harmful. But yeah, so these non
• 3:33:10
  Christians, these atheists, these people are, are hoping and
• 3:33:13
  saying, I think Paul and Morgan are changing, evolving.
• 3:33:18
  Yay. So we want to address that.
• 3:33:20
  So some of you guys, and I'm, I'm saying this in gentleness
• 3:33:25
  and love, some of you guys are not going to like our answer and
• 3:33:29
  the way that we break it down. But we realise that our biases
• 3:33:33
  and this starts, I feel like I'm starting to sound kind of social
• 3:33:36
  justicy and progressive. Stop me if I'm becoming too much
• 3:33:39
  that way. Is it fair to say that everyone
• 3:33:43
  has biases? Just everyone, everyone.
• 3:33:48
  It's just really your perspective, your bias,
• 3:33:51
  whatever, just in how you were raised to.
• 3:33:54
  You're surrounded by the even the sin patterns in your younger
• 3:33:59
  years, like shape everything that we grow up around shapes
• 3:34:04
  and moulds us. And so the community that you're
• 3:34:07
  in, the people you're around, yeah.
• 3:34:10
  So our biases are going to sometimes come out in our videos
• 3:34:14
  just like anyone with the YouTube channel, their biases
• 3:34:18
  are going to come out. And the fact is, guys, non
• 3:34:24
  believers that are watching, then we hope that you guys will
• 3:34:27
  stick with us. But we're not going to make our
• 3:34:30
  content in hopes that you're going to stick with us.
• 3:34:33
  We're not going to water down our content.
• 3:34:35
  We're not going to look and read all these comments saying, oh,
• 3:34:38
  Paul and Morgan are changing, They're evolving, Yay.
• 3:34:41
  Hopefully they go all the way and renounce the harmful.
• 3:34:45
  We're not going to coddle. We're not going to change.
• 3:34:47
  We're not going to water down the gospel, which is our firm
• 3:34:51
  foundation. Yeah, sorry, not sorry.
• 3:34:58
  Like like we're not going to apologise for that.
• 3:35:01
  I just kind of like go to find it.
• 3:35:02
  People like, oh look, progress, this is so good.
• 3:35:05
  And they're like, ha, tricked you.
• 3:35:07
  He is more transphobia. Paul and Morgan basically did
• 3:35:10
  that. So anyway, that's all I want to
• 3:35:13
  talk about for this section. Let's move on to Morgan gets
• 3:35:15
  pregnant. But first I am going to go take
• 3:35:18
  some painkillers and have some food because my brain is getting
• 3:35:20
  foggy. OK, so we've got Kyra joining us
• 3:35:23
  for this section. So she may be a little snuffly
• 3:35:25
  and snorty, but this is just who she is.
• 3:35:29
  OK, so Morgan gets pregnant. We saw at the start of the last
• 3:35:33
  section that a few months after this Jacqueline Glenn collab,
• 3:35:37
  Morgan got pregnant at the start of 2022.
• 3:35:40
  We are going to look at a mix of Morgan's pregnancy vlogs that
• 3:35:43
  were posted on her second channel and some of the main
• 3:35:47
  content on the Paul Morgan channel where the pregnancy was
• 3:35:49
  spoken about. So first up, let's take a look
• 3:35:52
  at their main channel pregnancy announcement.
• 3:35:54
  They really do seem genuinely happy in this.
• 3:35:56
  Paul is his usual smug self, but I think you can forgive it here
• 3:36:01
  because if there's ever a time to allow a person to be smug,
• 3:36:03
  it's probably this. You know what's up guys?
• 3:36:06
  How you doing? I'm Paul, I'm Morgan, and
• 3:36:08
  today's video is a special one that is close to Morganized
• 3:36:14
  heart. It is a video that is a long
• 3:36:19
  time coming. I mean, yeah, this feels surreal
• 3:36:23
  that we're about to say this. Five years of our YouTube
• 3:36:31
  channel is let's go, let's go. So we say it.
• 3:36:40
  I'm trying to think of something sarcastic to say to throw you
• 3:36:43
  off the scent, you guys. But the reality is, where can
• 3:36:56
  you guys let's go? There's a baby in my belly.
• 3:37:03
  There's a baby in my belly. Oh, man.
• 3:37:08
  Overall, yeah, they're quite sweet.
• 3:37:13
  You don't have to agree, but you don't need to be rude.
• 3:37:16
  Now, while a lot of people were very happy for Morgan, there
• 3:37:18
  were also a few people who were quite concerned.
• 3:37:20
  Sadly, early miscarriage is very, very common, even amongst
• 3:37:23
  women who don't have a history of fertility problems like
• 3:37:26
  Morgan does, which is why most people wait until 12 weeks to
• 3:37:29
  announce their pregnancy, because at that point, the risk
• 3:37:32
  of losing the baby is dramatically reduced.
• 3:37:35
  However, Paul and Morgan decided to just let it all out there
• 3:37:39
  from the very first pregnancy test and announce it as early as
• 3:37:42
  possible. And so I want to explain a
• 3:37:45
  little bit of, you know, why Paul and I decided to announce
• 3:37:49
  that we were pregnant so early on go.
• 3:37:53
  As you guys know, I've been very open about my fertility journey
• 3:37:57
  really for the past five years, but definitely within I'd say
• 3:38:01
  the past year and a half. And so, you know, being so open
• 3:38:07
  with trying to get pregnant, I am like, well, am I really going
• 3:38:15
  to wait until the 12 week mark, which is usually when people are
• 3:38:20
  like, OK, we're in the clear because it's a lot more rare to
• 3:38:24
  have a miscarriage after 12 weeks.
• 3:38:26
  So I was like, am I really going to wait that long?
• 3:38:29
  And I just was like, I don't know.
• 3:38:34
  We've been so open about all of this.
• 3:38:36
  It's going to feel really just insincere to all of the sudden
• 3:38:42
  just like close you guys off from this part of the journey.
• 3:38:47
  I personally found it a little concerning that she didn't value
• 3:38:50
  her health and privacy enough to say like, hey, I want this
• 3:38:53
  moment to be private for a little while until I know me and
• 3:38:55
  my baby are safe. And I say that not in a way
• 3:38:59
  that's like judging her, but in a way that was like genuinely
• 3:39:01
  concerned for her well-being. This isn't something they're
• 3:39:04
  doing that harms anyone else. So I'm not being judgmental for
• 3:39:06
  that reason, but I feel like it's something that could, if it
• 3:39:11
  had gone wrong, have really harmed themselves.
• 3:39:14
  And that makes me sad and concerned for them.
• 3:39:17
  But it's like I keep saying, she spent so much of her adult life
• 3:39:21
  online and on camera with YouTube as this, like, third
• 3:39:25
  person in her relationship. And like, I feel like she kind
• 3:39:28
  of doesn't exactly know how to have a private life, which,
• 3:39:32
  again, is concerning. Do you want to go outside on the
• 3:39:35
  balcony for a bit? Yeah, I do a lot of sunbathe
• 3:39:39
  because you're anxious that I'm talking, aren't you?
• 3:39:41
  Bless her, I love her. But she gets anxious when I
• 3:39:43
  record because she feels all my emotions.
• 3:39:46
  And then she pants and makes a lot of noise and she grunts and
• 3:39:49
  snots a lot anyway. And then sometimes people get
• 3:39:51
  mad at me because she's making noise in the background in my
• 3:39:54
  videos, and they shout at me for it.
• 3:39:57
  And then that makes me anxious to film because I know she's
• 3:39:58
  going to be making noise and I know that means people are going
• 3:40:00
  to shout at me again. But because I'm anxious, that
• 3:40:02
  makes her more like loud and make more noise.
• 3:40:05
  It's just a big bad cycle. I don't really know how to break
• 3:40:08
  it. OK, so this is where things get
• 3:40:12
  a little complicated and difficult to sort through on my
• 3:40:14
  end, because Morgan was making pregnancy vlogs on her channel
• 3:40:18
  and over on the main channel they stopped making so many
• 3:40:21
  edited videos and just started live streaming a lot.
• 3:40:24
  And so putting all this together in chronological order has been
• 3:40:27
  an absolute nightmare. I've tried to do the best I can,
• 3:40:30
  but please bear with me if some parts are imperfect.
• 3:40:33
  So early on there was this beautifully awkward gender
• 3:40:36
  reveal party where Paul very nearly messed up.
• 3:40:40
  It's quite funny. Everyone, or almost everyone is
• 3:40:45
  going to get a cake pop, share a new show on tap one.
• 3:40:50
  Let nobody take a bite. Oh, Jack, Jack, take a bite then
• 3:40:57
  I'm one of them. Voices are off.
• 3:41:01
  Please. You're going to take a bite of
• 3:41:03
  your cake pod going to either have white or one of you will
• 3:41:08
  have blue or heat. So let's go ahead and do it.
• 3:41:27
  And then this was also when they announced their child's name.
• 3:41:31
  Too much criticism from both their viewers and the people who
• 3:41:36
  didn't like them very much. They called their first kid Luca
• 3:41:39
  Grace. Here's the clip.
• 3:41:41
  And we're in the hotel in Savannah, GA, and you get the
• 3:41:46
  text message saying, here's the gender of your baby.
• 3:41:49
  Yep. When we turned over the phone
• 3:41:52
  and you saw that and so you were saying, and I'm not, I'm not
• 3:41:56
  putting you on the spot, it's fine.
• 3:41:57
  No, you can say it. I'm not.
• 3:42:00
  I'm not laying into you. But you were saying up to that
• 3:42:03
  moment that you were 99.9% sure I was that our baby was going to
• 3:42:09
  be a girl. All right.
• 3:42:10
  So when we found out it was a boy, Paul and I were like, Oh
• 3:42:14
  no, we don't have any boy names. We had our girl names ready to
• 3:42:18
  go. All girl names is all we had.
• 3:42:20
  And they were all so cute. And we had it ready.
• 3:42:22
  We had the first name without a doubt, definitely.
• 3:42:25
  So we decided to like, just Google, like top names, baby boy
• 3:42:34
  names. And so right there on the spot
• 3:42:36
  in the hotel room. Yeah, like, right. 10 minutes
• 3:42:38
  after we found out. So we looked through this list
• 3:42:41
  of like 100 names and like picked out a few that we liked.
• 3:42:44
  And I think we had like four or five and then narrowed those
• 3:42:47
  down like 3. And then.
• 3:42:49
  But out of those three, one really stuck out to us the most,
• 3:42:54
  which was Luca. Luca, the actual meaning of Luca
• 3:42:58
  is bearer of light or bringer of light.
• 3:43:02
  It makes me think of purity. It makes me think of water blue.
• 3:43:07
  I just love it. And then we combined it.
• 3:43:10
  So, so then I had a name that I've been holding on to for
• 3:43:15
  years, Grace, like first name for a girl Grace, like that's a
• 3:43:20
  common whatever. And I loved it.
• 3:43:23
  And I told Paul and I was like, we're having a girl.
• 3:43:25
  A girl's going to be first. Like the Lord told me, which he
• 3:43:29
  didn't necessarily tell me that. He just said this is your
• 3:43:31
  child's name. And so I was like, well, like,
• 3:43:38
  what do we do? Like Grace, we're not going to
• 3:43:41
  name our son Grace the first name.
• 3:43:43
  Like that's just a little much. So I'm thinking to myself, I'm
• 3:43:49
  thinking to myself, I think Grace could be a really cool
• 3:43:54
  middle name And some of you guys, I get it.
• 3:43:55
  You're going to hear this. And we got Morgan was getting
• 3:44:00
  there. There was some person commenting
• 3:44:03
  saying that they really did not like that as a middle name for a
• 3:44:06
  boy. It was a girl's name and stuff.
• 3:44:08
  But I'm just like once we announced yesterday and even I
• 3:44:12
  think someone in the live chat before we went on was saying
• 3:44:15
  something similar. Me think of the word love.
• 3:44:20
  That is kind of another one. Maybe they're like, oh,
• 3:44:23
  feminine. The Bible literally says God is
• 3:44:25
  love. Why would love have to be
• 3:44:28
  associated with a feminine thing?
• 3:44:30
  Grace, Mercy, peace, like all these things are very special
• 3:44:36
  and should be embodied by both males and females.
• 3:44:39
  And there's a real irony here because this couple have been
• 3:44:41
  nothing but openly transphobic. They have pushed this outdated
• 3:44:45
  idea that gender is binary and that men must stick to their man
• 3:44:48
  roles and women must stick to their woman roles.
• 3:44:51
  And there's no wiggle room. There's no no no nothing for
• 3:44:58
  them to suddenly be giving their son a traditionally feminine
• 3:45:02
  name like Grace. Well, people on the left were
• 3:45:06
  laughing at their hypocrisy while people on the right and
• 3:45:08
  other fundies were angry and mad that it wasn't manly enough.
• 3:45:12
  It's absolutely wild. Personally, not that anyone
• 3:45:14
  cares about my opinion. I think it's quite a cute name.
• 3:45:17
  I have no issues with it. But yeah, I do see that they're
• 3:45:21
  kind of major hypocrites. There was also a period around
• 3:45:24
  this time where they made a baby registry and shared it online
• 3:45:27
  and apparently people got mad about it.
• 3:45:29
  I'm personally not really sure why.
• 3:45:32
  I don't really see an issue with it compared to a lot of things
• 3:45:34
  they've done, so I won't dwell on it.
• 3:45:36
  Although there is something that happened that I'm on their side
• 3:45:39
  for and apparently people were like kind of trolling them over
• 3:45:43
  their list and marking things as purchase that weren't actually
• 3:45:47
  purchased. And it was causing them a lot of
• 3:45:49
  stress. And this is one of the few times
• 3:45:50
  that like I do feel sorry for them and I don't think they
• 3:45:53
  deserved that pushback that they got there.
• 3:45:56
  So I was on their side with this one.
• 3:45:59
  Just something you will not hear me say very often, but there you
• 3:46:01
  go. And on other accounts, I felt
• 3:46:03
  less sorry for them. Like at this time, they also
• 3:46:05
  complained that a brand they were going to work with pulled
• 3:46:11
  out of working with them because, and I quote, their
• 3:46:14
  values did not align, which I personally think it's fine.
• 3:46:17
  This company I've followed for years, I love them.
• 3:46:21
  I have supported them for years and they sent me a baby carrier
• 3:46:28
  and I was going to like make a reel for them and shout them
• 3:46:31
  out. Whatever.
• 3:46:31
  I hadn't done any of that yet. I just posted that like I got
• 3:46:35
  this baby carrier put it posted all my stories.
• 3:46:37
  Well, a day later I get a message from this company and
• 3:46:43
  they're like, Hey, what? I mean, just read the message.
• 3:46:46
  Like it's always you want to be wise about how to do this where
• 3:46:50
  we don't hate this company, but it's like just read the message
• 3:46:54
  that they sent you. And I mean, I would even feel
• 3:46:56
  fine like if you said the name of the company, I, I don't want
• 3:47:01
  to say the name of this company specifically.
• 3:47:03
  I have another company that I'll share, but OK, they said hello.
• 3:47:07
  We have received several complaints about our partnership
• 3:47:09
  and been hearing rumours, which is not compatible with the value
• 3:47:12
  that our brand is aiming for. We are sorry to tell you that we
• 3:47:15
  cannot proceed with our collaboration.
• 3:47:17
  So if I was a brand or anything, I also wouldn't want to be
• 3:47:23
  working with them because I wouldn't want people thinking
• 3:47:25
  that my brand was transphobic and homophobic and racist and
• 3:47:28
  sharing all those values that they have.
• 3:47:30
  So, you know, that's fine. I don't have sympathy for them,
• 3:47:34
  for the brand pulling out of that because that's down to
• 3:47:37
  their beliefs and actions, no one else's.
• 3:47:39
  So that's, that's on them. Cara's having a drink annoyingly
• 3:47:44
  as well. Morgan was also using her
• 3:47:45
  pregnancy to click bait hate filled videos at this time.
• 3:47:48
  For example, this case where she used the title Expecting Mother
• 3:47:52
  reacts to What is a woman documentary.
• 3:47:55
  She used her pregnancy to make a whole video about their
• 3:47:58
  transphobia. They were pushing a lot of
• 3:48:01
  transphobia on the channel at this time, but that's something
• 3:48:03
  we're going to talk about in the next section, don't worry.
• 3:48:06
  But I will just say this particular video was really hard
• 3:48:08
  to watch because they call trans people and those of us who fully
• 3:48:12
  support the rights of all trans people, they call our beliefs
• 3:48:16
  lunacy. They say we're depraved.
• 3:48:18
  It's horrible. It's a really disgusting video
• 3:48:22
  and let's take a look at a very small selection of clips from
• 3:48:24
  it. Now.
• 3:48:25
  I just find it very hard to hear them talk about depravity when
• 3:48:28
  they're the ones trying to deny people of basic human rights.
• 3:48:31
  It's ridiculous. What is a woman?
• 3:48:34
  Am IA woman? Are you a woman?
• 3:48:36
  How do we know? Well, Matt Walsh made this.
• 3:48:40
  He he spent some time he he it feels like he made this
• 3:48:44
  documentary relatively quick because there's like so many
• 3:48:47
  current events and stuff. It feels like that, but at the
• 3:48:49
  same time, like it was a quality.
• 3:48:51
  I'm just saying like it was a quality documentary, very good
• 3:48:55
  of just seeing the minds of people and how far gone they are
• 3:49:03
  in my opinion. Like it's insane.
• 3:49:06
  And I'm going to choose to say God can, God can redeem.
• 3:49:10
  God can open eyes. He can completely transform
• 3:49:13
  lives. But it is some of these people,
• 3:49:16
  you look at the stuff they're saying and the way that they're
• 3:49:18
  saying it, the way their mind works, and it is like, it's hard
• 3:49:22
  to comprehend. And that's kind of what Morgan
• 3:49:25
  is saying. I was watching that through all
• 3:49:28
  of these interviews, or most of these interviews that Matt had
• 3:49:31
  with these doctors and these professors and these people,
• 3:49:35
  these advocates. These are the professionals of
• 3:49:38
  our society, Yeah, so to speak. And to me, it was like, holy
• 3:49:43
  moly, these people have lost all common sense.
• 3:49:48
  And this to me, was like the pure, the perfect image of what
• 3:49:52
  it looks like to be handed over to your depravity.
• 3:49:56
  And it's heartbreaking. It is so, so sad.
• 3:50:02
  And I, yeah, I just have a very heavy heart right now.
• 3:50:06
  All of their arguments are just, like, so weak and built on so
• 3:50:11
  much emotion. That's what I just noticed
• 3:50:14
  throughout every one of these like advocates for of
• 3:50:18
  transitioning and anyone can be a woman, yada yada, was most of
• 3:50:25
  their arguments were built off of emotion, not scientific facts
• 3:50:29
  and truth, which they don't even they can't even explain what
• 3:50:32
  truth is because they don't they're not living in reality.
• 3:50:37
  It's, it's like they're living in a completely other world,
• 3:50:41
  complete other world. And they, they hate the idea of
• 3:50:44
  there being truth. And I'm fine if you want to
• 3:50:48
  debate what the truth is, but they hate the idea of there
• 3:50:51
  being any truth. I just wonder like what happened
• 3:50:55
  to these people for them to become like this?
• 3:50:57
  And again, my thought is God has literally just handed them over
• 3:51:03
  to their delusions. And like, it's just like, OK,
• 3:51:09
  you guys have refused me for so long, here you go.
• 3:51:12
  Go ahead, live in your delusions.
• 3:51:14
  So it's just like, wild to me that so many people,
• 3:51:19
  specifically young people, are falling for this crap.
• 3:51:22
  I thought that gender and biological sex was a western
• 3:51:26
  construct. Seems pretty stinking black and
• 3:51:29
  white and the Western construct, if you will, has smeared
• 3:51:33
  everything and turned it into a complete chaotic gender
• 3:51:36
  confusion. We have well, and it's it's,
• 3:51:40
  it's tragic. It's tragic.
• 3:51:43
  Morgan, anything else you got to say?
• 3:51:45
  I'm a woman carrying a child and that is beautiful.
• 3:51:52
  No one is going to take that away from me.
• 3:51:55
  But anyway, let's get back to Morgan's personal experiences
• 3:51:57
  though, because after the initial joy of finding out she
• 3:52:00
  was pregnant had worn off, Morgan was facing reality and
• 3:52:03
  was beginning to struggle with the experience.
• 3:52:06
  Like the physical experience of being pregnant.
• 3:52:09
  Completely understandable. Pregnancy sounds horrific.
• 3:52:12
  The whole pregnancy seemed to be really taking its toll on her
• 3:52:14
  physically and therefore emotionally as well.
• 3:52:19
  It was kind of shocking for me that we can feel so sorry for
• 3:52:22
  Morgan and see her struggling so much and we start to feel so
• 3:52:25
  much sympathy for her, but at the same time, she still found
• 3:52:27
  enough energy to be hateful and cruel and, you know,
• 3:52:30
  increasingly transphobic, for example.
• 3:52:32
  It was just really disappointing to see.
• 3:52:35
  This was followed by even more vlogs and videos of Morgan
• 3:52:37
  struggling with her health, both physical and mental.
• 3:52:40
  I'll say that again, I don't think I need to show you every
• 3:52:43
  detail, but just know that it was still ongoing.
• 3:52:46
  Morning sickness was a big issue for her.
• 3:52:48
  She was completely tired and exhausted all the time.
• 3:52:50
  It does sound absolutely awful. Now I'm just gibbering on.
• 3:52:54
  I haven't talked to anyone in a while other than Paul and my
• 3:52:58
  friend Caroline, which they're great, but like, I just have not
• 3:53:02
  been in the public eye for a little bit.
• 3:53:08
  So let's talk guys about the realities of the first trimester
• 3:53:15
  and how hard it is. I just, I don't know if like
• 3:53:23
  I've just been naive my whole life, but honestly, no, it's not
• 3:53:30
  that I've been naive, it's that literally no one talks about how
• 3:53:35
  hard the first trimester is. I am struggling right now as I
• 3:53:43
  film this. I'm 8 weeks and five days, so I
• 3:53:48
  know that I've like barely even dipped my toes into the first
• 3:53:52
  trimester. Man, it was really that bad.
• 3:53:58
  I feel like for 2 1/2 months I basically just laid on the couch
• 3:54:02
  or laid in the bed and there's nothing that can prepare you for
• 3:54:06
  it. I'm not going to lie.
• 3:54:07
  Like, it'll just happen. And you know, for me, I never
• 3:54:12
  threw up. I just was so like, oh, just
• 3:54:20
  nauseous. And he took very good care of
• 3:54:24
  me. I was always like, Morgan, have
• 3:54:26
  you taken a bite of ginger? And she's like, no, I didn't
• 3:54:31
  think about that. Morgan.
• 3:54:33
  That's been helping. I can't, you can't process
• 3:54:36
  things. You don't think about anything
• 3:54:38
  except for the pain that you're in.
• 3:54:40
  Morgan, have you had some of your tea?
• 3:54:43
  Oh, I didn't think about that. Well, it's been helping for
• 3:54:46
  weeks and weeks and weeks. Not just, I mean, that kind of
• 3:54:49
  did happen. But you're right.
• 3:54:51
  Like it's tough. It's tough to keep up with
• 3:54:53
  everything. About 1/2 hour ago.
• 3:54:57
  And we, I, I apologise for being about 5, 10 minutes late to our
• 3:55:01
  normal to our start time. We said we were going to be here
• 3:55:04
  at 4:30. But about 1/2 hour ago, we sat
• 3:55:08
  on the couch getting ready, kind of setting stuff up and just
• 3:55:12
  kind of the weight of life and some of the, you know, just
• 3:55:17
  things, just life, you know, things going on things right now
• 3:55:21
  and looking to the future, like they just kind of hit Morgan in
• 3:55:24
  particular. And so she's just feeling it
• 3:55:28
  And, and I, I was like, Morgan, you know, do you want to just
• 3:55:33
  postpone this video for a little while?
• 3:55:35
  And I just, you know, I figured I didn't know how long I'd be
• 3:55:38
  like this. So we might be postponing it for
• 3:55:41
  days after our Thursday video that we filmed with our friend
• 3:55:46
  Caroline talking about the Hillsong documentary.
• 3:55:51
  I would say pretty much right after that, we got off filming
• 3:55:54
  and Morgan and I got into a fight and then we ended up going
• 3:55:59
  to eat because we had a plan of going to eat with Caroline and
• 3:56:03
  then going to a movie. It was going to be kind of like
• 3:56:07
  we've kind of had some trials in the last couple weeks and I'm
• 3:56:10
  going to share more on that. But it was like going to be a
• 3:56:12
  fun day, fun night. And Morgan and I got into a got
• 3:56:16
  into it with each other right after the video ended.
• 3:56:18
  And then we went to eat and at the restaurant, like on the
• 3:56:21
  drive there, like we, we didn't talk to each other because there
• 3:56:24
  was just a lot of pent up emotion.
• 3:56:26
  And I remember thinking, I almost feel guilty of being on
• 3:56:32
  the YouTube with our audience and it being like really good
• 3:56:36
  energy, even though you could see Morgan at the end of it,
• 3:56:39
  like, yeah, I don't have the greatest energy.
• 3:56:41
  Yeah. She was just feeling just.
• 3:56:43
  Yeah, she just, you know, by the end of it, she was ready to get
• 3:56:46
  off. But anyway, I remember thinking
• 3:56:49
  like, still, we are fun and having a good time on the
• 3:56:52
  YouTube and now we're in a fight.
• 3:56:53
  And I almost wanted to be like YouTube audience.
• 3:56:56
  I want you guys to see this too. Yeah, I'm not Play it down.
• 3:57:05
  Yeah, I feel like everything's always OK myself of that.
• 3:57:09
  I also just have these, you know, and I think probably every
• 3:57:14
  pregnant woman does have these thoughts of you feel pain in
• 3:57:19
  your stomach and you're like, I'm like, OK, is the baby OK?
• 3:57:24
  What is wrong? What's happening?
• 3:57:25
  Is this normal? I find myself, you know, wanting
• 3:57:30
  to rush to these very negative thoughts of something's wrong
• 3:57:34
  with the baby. If something's wrong, my body
• 3:57:37
  cannot handle this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
• 3:57:39
  And that's just not beneficial. And Morgan also announced she
• 3:57:44
  was planning to have a home birth with her video caption
• 3:57:46
  reading. I know this can be a kind of
• 3:57:48
  sensitive topic, but please know that this is my opinion for
• 3:57:51
  myself. However you deliver your baby,
• 3:57:53
  it is beautiful. You're bringing life into this
• 3:57:54
  world. There's never really a wrong way
• 3:57:56
  to do that, but it's also never wrong to do some research and
• 3:58:00
  make sure you understand all of your options, which is ironic
• 3:58:03
  because she admits later she did not understand all of her
• 3:58:06
  options. And that's what caused a bit of
• 3:58:09
  trouble. A lot of people had some major
• 3:58:11
  concerns with her choosing this home birth and choosing to forgo
• 3:58:15
  a lot of medical treatment. Like, I don't think she even had
• 3:58:19
  a scan on her baby. I don't think she had a baby
• 3:58:21
  scan. She said at some point, I don't
• 3:58:23
  know if that's true, but again, yeah, they they made a lot of
• 3:58:30
  concerning choices. So people were worried about her
• 3:58:34
  and that subtly proved to be completely warranted.
• 3:58:36
  Home birth seems so normal to me.
• 3:58:40
  And like, I just, I have so many like good friends who have had
• 3:58:44
  beautiful home birth. But I'm surprised that when I
• 3:58:49
  post something about like having a home birth, I still get people
• 3:58:51
  that are like, what? That's so dangerous.
• 3:58:55
  Why are you doing that? Like, are you insane?
• 3:58:58
  You know, stuff like that. And I get it.
• 3:59:01
  But it always catches me off guard a little bit because I'm
• 3:59:04
  like, wait, what? I'm just going to go ahead and
• 3:59:07
  tell you that if you comment and are like, no, do not do this.
• 3:59:14
  And like try to give me this big spiel.
• 3:59:16
  Like I'll probably just either ignore or maybe even delete it
• 3:59:21
  because not like out of spite or anger, but just like you all
• 3:59:27
  have to understand this is my decision.
• 3:59:30
  It's my birth. And I know myself, my body, my
• 3:59:36
  mind, my spirit way more than you do.
• 3:59:38
  I think the world and hospitals specifically, like, let's be
• 3:59:42
  real, they're businesses and they have kind of put it in our
• 3:59:48
  minds of like, Oh no, your bodies actually weren't made to
• 3:59:50
  do this. And you need all these
• 3:59:51
  medications to make sure that it happens correctly.
• 3:59:54
  And if it doesn't happen correctly, we've got to cut you
• 3:59:56
  open and take your baby out this way because it's not happening
• 3:59:59
  on our timeline. And to me, I'm just like, no, my
• 4:00:05
  body was made to do this. And I'm going to fully embrace
• 4:00:11
  that and embrace everything that comes along with that if that
• 4:00:15
  means some painful moments. Now, we do need to be sensitive
• 4:00:19
  while covering this next part, but to put it very bluntly,
• 4:00:22
  Morgan nearly died during childbirth and they still
• 4:00:25
  decided to vlog the whole thing and post the video afterwards,
• 4:00:30
  which is a choice. The video on Morgan's channel is
• 4:00:34
  definitely interesting because in it they seem to have admitted
• 4:00:37
  of having made a lot of choices without fully knowing the
• 4:00:39
  consequences of what they were agreeing to.
• 4:00:42
  They admit to having not done research on what complications
• 4:00:45
  it could have gone wrong, and Morgan changes her stance on
• 4:00:48
  pain relief during birth once she's been through herself,
• 4:00:50
  which is a pattern for Paul and Morgan.
• 4:00:52
  It's hey, this thing is bad. Oh, wait.
• 4:00:54
  But we need to do it. I guess it's OK if we're doing
• 4:00:57
  it, but it's still bad for everyone else.
• 4:01:00
  There was the issue with the antibiotics where she turned
• 4:01:02
  them down despite not really knowing what they were supposed
• 4:01:04
  to be for and that put her health at risk.
• 4:01:07
  She didn't research the potential of needing AC section
• 4:01:10
  and then she needed AC section. So she went into completely
• 4:01:12
  blind and scared and not really knowing what was going to
• 4:01:14
  happen. And it just seems like there was
• 4:01:16
  a lot of stuff she didn't fully understand.
• 4:01:21
  It just seems there's a lot of stuff she didn't fully
• 4:01:23
  understand and she made choices without being fully informed and
• 4:01:26
  that led to her being more risk than she maybe needed to be.
• 4:01:32
  And then when unforeseen complications did happen, they
• 4:01:37
  weren't really prepared. So overall, it's a very sad
• 4:01:42
  story and it's very understandable by why Morgan
• 4:01:46
  would feel pretty traumatised by the whole experience.
• 4:01:49
  And it's really impossible to not see and hear this stuff
• 4:01:51
  without really, really feeling sorry for her.
• 4:01:53
  It seems like it's happening. I mean, it's obviously
• 4:01:56
  happening. Definitely happening.
• 4:01:58
  Within the next 24 hours, we will have a baby here.
• 4:02:01
  Morgan, when you called me, your voice was crazy.
• 4:02:04
  Like it was like a mixture. I feel like a fear and
• 4:02:07
  excitement. Yeah.
• 4:02:08
  I mean, it was. I could tell.
• 4:02:10
  Like I could sense some scary. Like it was weird hearing you.
• 4:02:15
  When you said my water broke, She said you get as much rest as
• 4:02:18
  you can because tonight could be.
• 4:02:20
  It almost feels like that. Calm before the storm.
• 4:02:23
  Yes. Of like something, I mean,
• 4:02:26
  obviously something big is about having like the war is coming,
• 4:02:28
  you know? And it's like, I'm not totally
• 4:02:30
  sure filming right now is a good idea, but I want to be able to
• 4:02:34
  give the details of this. I want it to be educational and
• 4:02:36
  helpful. Guys, I don't know about
• 4:02:38
  Morgan's goal, but one of my goals in filming this and
• 4:02:41
  creating this vlog is to give a realistic expectation of what a
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  home birth is like, not make it look easy and fun and glamorous.
• 4:02:49
  Everyone should do a home birth if that's what it is, we'll
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  present it that way, but we're going to give what actually
• 4:02:55
  happens when Morgan goes through and make it as realistic as we
• 4:02:58
  can, not make it look worse and harder, not make it look easier
• 4:03:01
  or better. If things don't pick up and that
• 4:03:07
  labour doesn't become active by about 9:00 PM, that's when we
• 4:03:13
  got a potentially start looking at the hospital.
• 4:03:15
  But we're very, very hopeful that before then things are
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  going to be in tip top shape. Morgan, do you feel like you
• 4:03:23
  could give people an update with how you're feeling?
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  Can you like kind of describe it?
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  Like describe the how frequent the contractions are, how they
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  feel? They're very often and they
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  don't feel yet. So guys, we've hit a a bit of a
• 4:03:47
  snag and Morgan was fighting a fever.
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  So we consulted, talked to the midwife, talked through it,
• 4:03:55
  checked the temperature several times.
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  And as much as we really didn't want to have to do this and it's
• 4:04:03
  very emotional for Morgan, we are going to the hospital.
• 4:04:09
  We our midwife called them. They're ready.
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  They know our situation and our hope is we get in, pick up where
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  we left off and we have this baby vaginal birth.
• 4:04:20
  We are pumped about the home birth, but what we want more
• 4:04:22
  than anything is a healthy baby and a healthy Morgan.
• 4:04:26
  As it's almost 3:00 AM, I'll be honest, it's just hard to see
• 4:04:31
  Morgan in such discomfort for such a long period of time.
• 4:04:36
  It's tough. It's it's and you just feel so
• 4:04:39
  helpless. I'm not very good at home baby.
• 4:04:55
  I bet you boy I'm going to put him in the nook of your elbow,
• 4:04:58
  bring that around and you're just going to hold his and that
• 4:05:03
  way show off your son. What's interesting is we had had
• 4:05:08
  a conversation on Monday with my midwife and she had suggested
• 4:05:13
  that I start taking antibiotics because my water had broken and
• 4:05:18
  I still wasn't in labour at that point.
• 4:05:20
  And I, it's weird, like I've talked about this with my mom.
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  I don't, I really very vaguely remember that conversation and I
• 4:05:29
  remember being very confused in that conversation.
• 4:05:33
  I didn't know what she was telling me I needed to take
• 4:05:36
  antibiotics for. I didn't know she was saying
• 4:05:38
  like, which, I mean, she didn't verbally say this, but what she
• 4:05:42
  meant was we're doing this as a precaution to help, like, you
• 4:05:46
  not get an infection, to help you not get a fever.
• 4:05:49
  I didn't know that. So it was already on her radar.
• 4:05:53
  Yeah. And it just didn't compute or
• 4:05:55
  resonate. So then it's just like, wait,
• 4:05:57
  you just checked her temperature and she's right.
• 4:05:59
  Got a fever and probably because of an infection.
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  And we're just like. But it kind of makes sense.
• 4:06:03
  The water breaks early. It's been X amount of time.
• 4:06:06
  Yeah, so I had said no to taking the antibiotics because I
• 4:06:11
  thought you were talking about something totally different.
• 4:06:13
  So if you had been taking antibiotics, it may have, it may
• 4:06:16
  have kept me from getting a fever, which is like insane,
• 4:06:20
  which, you know, a lot of other things happen.
• 4:06:24
  But like, yeah, it could have prevented me from getting an
• 4:06:27
  infection at all and being able to have home birth.
• 4:06:30
  I don't know. But it's just.
• 4:06:33
  So that's like super. That's crazy.
• 4:06:35
  I know. I wish that.
• 4:06:36
  Yeah, that would have been just been like really clear.
• 4:06:39
  She was like, OK, and then we just moved on.
• 4:06:41
  Before we go any further, I just want to say on our other video,
• 4:06:44
  there's a lot of experts saying you should have done this.
• 4:06:47
  So many experts shouldn't have taken that, your midwife should
• 4:06:49
  have done this, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 4:06:51
  And in my comments section, I'm just gonna ignore those comments
• 4:06:55
  because, yeah, you may or may not have a point.
• 4:06:58
  You know, you may actually know a lot.
• 4:07:00
  There's a lot of experts that say they know a lot that don't
• 4:07:03
  that are very opinionated. It's not, this is not the video
• 4:07:07
  for that not beneficial to my healing either.
• 4:07:09
  Suddenly the nurse comes in and says in 45 minutes it's going to
• 4:07:14
  be 3:00 AM. And the head Dr midwife, the
• 4:07:19
  head midwife, Dr midwife that worked at the hospital is going
• 4:07:23
  to assess if you're dilated enough to have a vaginal birth
• 4:07:28
  or if you're going to need AC section.
• 4:07:30
  And so that was, again, like, just for two people that Morgan
• 4:07:35
  purposefully avoided that section in her book, in all my
• 4:07:39
  books that I read my mind like, there's just not going to happen
• 4:07:43
  yet. We're doing a home birth, no
• 4:07:44
  C-section. And suddenly that's like a very
• 4:07:46
  realistic possibility. And it's like, oof, oh man,
• 4:07:50
  Lord, please. Like when the main doctor comes
• 4:07:54
  in, please let Morgan be dilated to the point where she can.
• 4:07:58
  It's kind of like, Lord, at least give us this.
• 4:08:01
  Yeah. You haven't dilated at all in
• 4:08:04
  the past 7 1/2 hours. It was horrible.
• 4:08:07
  And like, everything in me was just.
• 4:08:10
  I was done. Like, I was.
• 4:08:12
  I could not fight anymore. Like, I had fought so hard.
• 4:08:16
  And to hear that, like, literally all of what I just did
• 4:08:21
  was for nothing was so defeating.
• 4:08:26
  And just like, whoa, I don't even know, like I don't have a
• 4:08:32
  lot of words for it. Just defeating and just
• 4:08:34
  heartbreaking and terrible and God, like really, seriously,
• 4:08:39
  God, this is my thought. You couldn't have kind of
• 4:08:42
  intervened a little bit and just caused this to be a little more
• 4:08:45
  smooth. But man, once it hit, I was
• 4:08:49
  feeling good. All right, there you go.
• 4:08:51
  I mean, I was just praying like, God, please take this pain away.
• 4:08:54
  Please take this pain away. I'm so I'm dying.
• 4:08:56
  Like I'm dying. I can't do this.
• 4:08:58
  And then it was gone. You see why?
• 4:09:01
  Yeah, I see why Delivering the epidural, delivering mothers
• 4:09:04
  just say shoot me up. Literally take away this pain.
• 4:09:09
  Yeah, I it all makes sense now. But no, I mean, I got a bit of a
• 4:09:16
  different, different epidural because I did the C-section.
• 4:09:19
  But anywho, they lay me down and they hook me up to all kinds of
• 4:09:24
  things and real quick, not saying we're advocates for that.
• 4:09:28
  We just are under more understanding where women, you
• 4:09:31
  know, just give me all the so I don't have to feel this or feel
• 4:09:34
  the pain. Yeah.
• 4:09:35
  You know, that's a whole other conversation and one that we
• 4:09:39
  maybe will have again in the future.
• 4:09:41
  But, yeah, nevertheless, the tone of the nurses and doctors,
• 4:09:46
  it's like, becomes a little more frantic, if you will.
• 4:09:49
  Before or after he was born. This was before Luca.
• 4:09:52
  Yeah. And they start moving around
• 4:09:54
  more quickly. Oh, OK.
• 4:09:57
  You know, I I it's hard to remember exactly.
• 4:10:00
  I think they, they brought him, got him out and like lowered the
• 4:10:05
  curtain and showed us and we were both like, and I was like
• 4:10:09
  and like, I feel like I and I could be wrong, but I feel like
• 4:10:14
  I had heard that there were some complications happening before
• 4:10:18
  he came out, but I could be wrong.
• 4:10:19
  It may have been like they lift him out, but I just remember not
• 4:10:24
  being in a emotionally in a place where I could celebrate
• 4:10:28
  him coming out. So that makes me think that I'd
• 4:10:32
  realised something wasn't totally right before he came
• 4:10:34
  out. Ultimately, my midwife turns to
• 4:10:37
  me and she says some long lines of Morgan's haemorrhaging and
• 4:10:42
  she's bleeding and they're trying to stop the bleeding.
• 4:10:46
  And so I'm just like, wait, what?
• 4:10:49
  And so my mind is completely focused on Morgan at that point.
• 4:10:51
  Sorry, Luca, but Morgan took priority.
• 4:10:55
  And so then Luca comes out and of course I'm so excited, but
• 4:10:59
  it's like, what is happening to my wife?
• 4:11:01
  And then my midwife turns to me and says, Paul, now would be a
• 4:11:05
  good time to pray. And so at that point, I just
• 4:11:09
  kind of lost it one, because it's like the reality of could
• 4:11:13
  my wife die from blood loss that they're not able to stop the
• 4:11:17
  bleeding. And then also the intensity of
• 4:11:21
  I've been praying, I've prayed multiple times, some of the most
• 4:11:25
  intense prayers of my life, Lord help intervene.
• 4:11:30
  And it's like he didn't answer or he didn't come through.
• 4:11:33
  Remember hearing like one of the doctors yell something like,
• 4:11:38
  where's the blood? We need more blood.
• 4:11:41
  And I just closed my eyes and I just remember thinking to God, I
• 4:11:45
  was like, God, are you taking me right now?
• 4:11:49
  And I just remember, like, having this moment of like, OK,
• 4:11:56
  God, you're going to take me in. Like Paul's going to raise Luca.
• 4:12:01
  It's just, man. Oh, intense.
• 4:12:08
  And I just remember like, even in that moment, though, like
• 4:12:11
  being at peace, but feeling like really sad for Paul that he was
• 4:12:15
  going to be like a widowed guy. And I just like, remember
• 4:12:21
  thinking, well, my mom can help him and like, he'll be OK.
• 4:12:27
  But thankfully Morgan was OK Thankfully Luca was OK.
• 4:12:31
  Which is of course absolute. Which is of course absolutely
• 4:12:33
  wonderful. Now let's move on to the live
• 4:12:37
  streaming era. During both Morgan's pregnancy
• 4:12:39
  and afterwards, they both continued to make content as it
• 4:12:43
  was their job and you can't just stop doing your job because you
• 4:12:45
  feel like it. However, they moved away from
• 4:12:48
  filmed and edited videos and started live free live streaming
• 4:12:51
  more frequently. There were three kinds of
• 4:12:54
  content they were posting regularly at this point.
• 4:12:56
  One was social commentary and talking about pop culture
• 4:12:58
  topics, still, 2 was relationship and family Q&A's
• 4:13:02
  and three were responses to online criticism.
• 4:13:05
  That section that exploded during this time period, Paul
• 4:13:12
  and Morgan have always got a lot of online criticism, but I feel
• 4:13:15
  like they start to push back against it a lot more during
• 4:13:18
  this era. I do feel like their content
• 4:13:21
  genuinely got more intentionally shocking and mean during this
• 4:13:24
  time, so it felt like they were trying to create more
• 4:13:27
  controversy to get more attention.
• 4:13:29
  So yeah, that's what they were doing.
• 4:13:33
  Let's start by looking at a few of their response videos, and
• 4:13:35
  then later in this section we'll take a look at the other regular
• 4:13:38
  content they were posting at this time.
• 4:13:40
  Hardest moment, like single moment or single day for you
• 4:13:44
  having to do with YouTube since we started the channel, Oh my
• 4:13:50
  goodness, my stomach just dropped.
• 4:13:52
  We've had some pretty rough moments.
• 4:13:55
  I think the hardest day or like moment was I was walking out of
• 4:14:02
  Kroger and I got in my car and someone Instagrammed me the
• 4:14:05
  video that Jacqueline Glenn made about me and I was alone.
• 4:14:11
  I was not in like probably the best mindset to watch that
• 4:14:14
  video, but I decided to watch it.
• 4:14:17
  And like afterwards, I was just so infuriated and so just angry
• 4:14:27
  about like the fact that someone had the audacity to say such
• 4:14:33
  lies about me and my husband. Like I was more like protective
• 4:14:40
  over Paul because I was just so scared of like what might come
• 4:14:43
  out of this, of like the the accusations that she made about
• 4:14:47
  us and Paul and our marriage, like what people will now begin
• 4:14:51
  to like send us and we're still dealing with that.
• 4:14:54
  It's so annoying, but it's a lot less so whatever.
• 4:14:57
  But I would say that day, that video and like, obviously I made
• 4:15:01
  a like follow up video because I just could not let that video
• 4:15:04
  sit and not be answered. So I was like, so yeah, that
• 4:15:11
  that one. Yeah.
• 4:15:12
  I figured that was probably going to be it.
• 4:15:14
  And I mean, it's, you know, it's one of the potential risks of
• 4:15:18
  having it looks like I'm crying. I'm not.
• 4:15:20
  My eyes are starting water for my allergy.
• 4:15:23
  OK. It's one of the risks of having
• 4:15:26
  a platform is people may make videos about you or say stuff
• 4:15:31
  about you or post stuff about you, You know, God knows us.
• 4:15:35
  Here's a question in marriage is oral sex, OK?
• 4:15:38
  Like, I mean, if you're married, why would it be wrong?
• 4:15:44
  So this question, you guys, I, I feel like this is kind of
• 4:15:47
  there's, there's like 2 parts to this.
• 4:15:49
  You're really like animated. I'm animated.
• 4:15:53
  No, you're just like thinking deeply about this.
• 4:15:55
  So get this, OK? I read the songs of Solomon and
• 4:16:00
  it's juicy and descriptive and you know, it's, it's taking hold
• 4:16:06
  of the pomegranates or the clusters of grapes.
• 4:16:09
  I guess you're drinking from the just all this stuff and it's
• 4:16:13
  like, it sounds like they're doing a lot.
• 4:16:19
  But then I had a Christian brother in the Lord not too long
• 4:16:24
  ago. Message me because I guess we
• 4:16:26
  had mentioned kind of really, you never told me this.
• 4:16:30
  Yep, oral. We've mentioned oral maybe in
• 4:16:33
  one of our videos or something. And he was like, I just do not
• 4:16:36
  think that oral is OK for Christians.
• 4:16:39
  So you obviously, yeah, he's unmarried.
• 4:16:42
  Ultimately, I guess I acknowledge both sides.
• 4:16:45
  Just the freedom that you can have just with your wife, with
• 4:16:48
  your husband. But then, oh, I don't think
• 4:16:50
  that's good for me. And perhaps there are certain
• 4:16:53
  things that it's just like Christians, even in marriage,
• 4:16:56
  stay away from. But when it comes to oral, that
• 4:17:00
  be something that you got to kind of leave up to a
• 4:17:02
  Christian's conscience. Yeah, I think that's a total
• 4:17:06
  conviction thing. I think that if your husband or
• 4:17:10
  wife is not comfortable with that, obviously you're not.
• 4:17:12
  You don't want to force that. That's just not the way to go
• 4:17:16
  about things. And two, you know, if one of you
• 4:17:19
  just has a strong conviction of like, I feel like I'm sinning if
• 4:17:22
  I do this, like, yeah, you need to respect that.
• 4:17:25
  And not that I think that's kind of where it's at.
• 4:17:29
  And there's a pretty big hate group that just bullies
• 4:17:33
  Christian creators on Reddit. They're they're just online
• 4:17:38
  bullies. And I would say they maybe some
• 4:17:41
  of them in the group think that they are like, we're doing a
• 4:17:43
  good thing bullying these Christian creators because they
• 4:17:50
  are they they justified in their head.
• 4:17:52
  And that shouldn't be a surprise to Christians when people think
• 4:17:58
  that, oh, I'm, I'm pushing back because these people are Bible
• 4:18:01
  thumpers that believe all this harmful stuff that the Bible
• 4:18:04
  preaches. We do believe in what the Bible
• 4:18:07
  preaches. I think what's interesting in
• 4:18:09
  some of these earlier clips is that they were clearly getting
• 4:18:11
  pushed back from both Christians and non Christians, but they
• 4:18:14
  seemed like they were more upset and angry and willing to be a
• 4:18:16
  bit snarky back to non Christians.
• 4:18:18
  Whereas with Christian criticism, their response is
• 4:18:20
  more like, OK, you know what, we disagree, but that's fine, each
• 4:18:25
  to their own. Whereas if an atheist criticised
• 4:18:28
  them, it was all like, oh, you're stupid and ugly, you
• 4:18:32
  know, and that's not an exaggeration.
• 4:18:34
  We'll get there. One of the biggest things is
• 4:18:36
  that they were shocked that being known for being
• 4:18:38
  controversial was starting to affect their career negatively.
• 4:18:42
  I don't know why that's surprising, but to them it was.
• 4:18:45
  Here's a live stream where they talk about getting a friend.
• 4:18:48
  Here's a live stream where they talk about a friend of theirs
• 4:18:50
  getting backlash for having them on his Christian podcast, mostly
• 4:18:53
  because of one particular video they made five years ago.
• 4:18:56
  I've cut these two videos together so you can watch it in
• 4:18:58
  context. So here you go.
• 4:19:02
  Controversy, controversy, controversy, controversy,
• 4:19:05
  controversy. Here's what went down and has
• 4:19:09
  kind of caused this to resurface.
• 4:19:11
  We are going to be joining a friend of ours who has a social
• 4:19:15
  media platform on his upcoming show.
• 4:19:19
  And he texted Morgan and IA voice memo and he said, guys
• 4:19:24
  there, what how did he word it? He said there were he's like, I
• 4:19:27
  don't usually get like a tonne of people that comment when I
• 4:19:30
  say like what guests I'm going to have.
• 4:19:32
  But when I posted that you guys were going to be on the show, I
• 4:19:37
  got a tonne of comments that were like, why are you having
• 4:19:41
  them on the show? Are you kidding me?
• 4:19:45
  Do you know what they stand for? Right Just kind of like these
• 4:19:49
  guys are these are not don't don't have Paul and Morgan on or
• 4:19:54
  or even just like these these guys are not they they've made
• 4:19:56
  stances that are not good and we're about to get into some
• 4:19:59
  more of that. So he he was surprised and
• 4:20:02
  Morgan and I were surprised because and in particular, this
• 4:20:06
  is a Christian page. This is a Christian account, a
• 4:20:09
  Christian audience the and apparently like the crux of the
• 4:20:14
  pushback of him having us on the show was in regards to our
• 4:20:17
  dating and relationship advice and someone.
• 4:20:21
  Very specifically said Paul and Morgan hold toxic views in
• 4:20:27
  regards to they mentioned the video, it's only hugging and
• 4:20:32
  their words, this person's words, and I'm just summarising,
• 4:20:36
  but it was something along the lines of they have these radical
• 4:20:40
  views of purity culture and they said that hugging leads to sex
• 4:20:45
  perspectives on love and dating. We wanted to address
• 4:20:48
  specifically this video and then just kind of our past advice in
• 4:20:52
  general. Yeah.
• 4:20:54
  So the video they were specifically talking about was
• 4:20:57
  that it's only hugging video. Well, let's start off with
• 4:21:00
  saying that when Paul and I first met, Paul was very like
• 4:21:06
  conservative and I was like hug me.
• 4:21:11
  I went in for the high five. It was high fives and side hugs.
• 4:21:14
  We get to look back on it now and we have a clearer picture
• 4:21:16
  of, you know, what was and I have a better understanding of
• 4:21:20
  where he was coming from. And I am more on his side now
• 4:21:23
  than I was, but I still am more laid back.
• 4:21:25
  I think maybe I don't know, guys, I know that it sounds
• 4:21:28
  crazy to talk about hugging like what?
• 4:21:31
  It's just such an innocent thing.
• 4:21:32
  And it is a hug is so innocent, but it leads to other things you
• 4:21:38
  can. So, you know, Paul was very,
• 4:21:41
  very set on saving sex before marriage, before marriage.
• 4:21:45
  And he was not going to cross any boundaries that could
• 4:21:48
  possibly even give him the thought would put sexual
• 4:21:51
  thoughts inside his brain. And hugging, like, come on.
• 4:21:55
  Your chest is pressed up against the guy.
• 4:21:59
  His hands are on your lower back, getting close to the
• 4:22:03
  booty. And ladies, those are precious
• 4:22:06
  things in the front and the back and guys, they should be
• 4:22:09
  precious to you as well for later on.
• 4:22:12
  I think there's there is a place for physical intimacy as you
• 4:22:16
  move towards marriage. But man, I think called so many
• 4:22:21
  of us have it wrong and it should be way later on down the
• 4:22:24
  line. Earlier today we were like,
• 4:22:26
  let's go back. Let's re watch our it's only
• 4:22:29
  hugging video. See if maybe we've had
• 4:22:32
  perspective changes. Did we come across too harsh?
• 4:22:35
  Do we believe that hugging leads to sex as people have said we
• 4:22:41
  do? Oh, do we ever?
• 4:22:46
  Oh no guys, now I see the feisty Morgan come out here guys.
• 4:22:50
  We do not believe we are not so naive and ridiculous to think
• 4:22:55
  that literally a hug could lead all of a sudden to you having
• 4:22:59
  sex. And I think that's like, I
• 4:23:02
  haven't watched, I don't think any of the hate videos or
• 4:23:04
  response videos that have been made about that video.
• 4:23:07
  So I don't really know what they're saying.
• 4:23:09
  But from the comments that we've gotten from that video and
• 4:23:13
  beyond, and just reading through the comments of, you know, this
• 4:23:15
  guy's shows posts about having us on, it seems like people
• 4:23:21
  literally think we're saying if you hug, you're going to be
• 4:23:26
  having sex. And like, that's not what we're
• 4:23:29
  saying at all. I think that we rewatched our
• 4:23:34
  six minute and 55 second video and we were like, yeah, we're
• 4:23:39
  still staying with this. On the one hand, I want to
• 4:23:42
  commend them for even being able to go back and watch their older
• 4:23:45
  content with a critical eye and ask like, hey, what did we get
• 4:23:48
  wrong here? How have we changed?
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  I think that's a really good thing to do and it's something
• 4:23:51
  that I do with my own content as well quite a lot.
• 4:23:54
  I just think it's a shame to see them double down on the harmful
• 4:23:56
  purity culture ideology. However, surprisingly, Paul did
• 4:24:00
  seem a little more open to other Christians with slightly
• 4:24:03
  different opinions in some areas.
• 4:24:04
  So there was some improvement, I guess.
• 4:24:08
  And you know, all these people who are making response videos
• 4:24:11
  to us and as far as I know, we're people who are not
• 4:24:15
  believers, you know, think that we're absolutely ridiculous for
• 4:24:18
  our Christian morals and standards, whatever.
• 4:24:21
  But it's interesting that the pushback that we were getting
• 4:24:24
  from this guy's show or from people who are, I mean, like, I
• 4:24:29
  think maybe would consider themselves Christian.
• 4:24:31
  I have no idea or or maybe they just follow this page.
• 4:24:34
  But yeah, so that we were getting pushback from Christians
• 4:24:40
  is kind of just annoying to me because as believers, we should
• 4:24:48
  be encouraging one another to be pure.
• 4:24:52
  And I get it. Purity culture and churches in
• 4:24:56
  the past have done this in wrong ways.
• 4:24:59
  That doesn't all of the sudden mean that we just wipe purity
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  out of the picture. And you don't have to ever worry
• 4:25:06
  about what you do in a relationship and what you do
• 4:25:09
  with your boyfriend or your girlfriend.
• 4:25:11
  Like that's just goofy. And the fact that there are
• 4:25:14
  Christians out there who literally are against purity,
• 4:25:19
  it's just like, what? So you're against God's
• 4:25:22
  intention. Like you're, it doesn't make
• 4:25:25
  sense to me. And so I was just kind of goofy
• 4:25:27
  to me that we were getting pushed back from Christians.
• 4:25:32
  So we can give our insight while still giving some room for
• 4:25:37
  people with different perspectives on those grey
• 4:25:40
  areas, things that are not black and white.
• 4:25:42
  We're not going to back off and ease up on things that are just
• 4:25:46
  totally clear in scripture. But the stuff kind of around
• 4:25:50
  that, that is not a black and white issue.
• 4:25:53
  There should be grace for dialogue.
• 4:25:55
  Here's another example from some months later where he got
• 4:25:57
  criticism for real he made on Instagram and his response was,
• 4:26:01
  let's see what I've learnt from this.
• 4:26:03
  Oh wait, it's nothing yesterday. I'm making this real.
• 4:26:07
  You guys know how the Instagram reels go where you found you
• 4:26:11
  find the sound bite. At least this is how I roll and
• 4:26:14
  then I will record the sound bite and then I will put text to
• 4:26:18
  it. I ended up using text that
• 4:26:21
  turned out to get quite the reaction, stir the pot.
• 4:26:28
  It got quite the reaction. So much so like, I hop on after
• 4:26:32
  it's been up for 45 minutes and the comments are just coming in
• 4:26:36
  and not all pretty. Definitely not.
• 4:26:39
  Should I have made this really cause me to do some inner
• 4:26:42
  reflection? Funny, yes, but not funny.
• 4:26:47
  Ha ha, funny. Weird.
• 4:26:52
  That's it. 6:00-ish seconds. I knew going in this is going to
• 4:26:57
  get somewhat of a reaction, but in my mind initially, am I still
• 4:27:02
  here? We'll decide.
• 4:27:03
  But I in my mind initial, initially it was, you know what,
• 4:27:08
  I feel good about this. I stand by it.
• 4:27:10
  I stand by it as of right now, if you voted, if you say you're
• 4:27:16
  a Christian and you voted Democrat, Ha ha, not in the
• 4:27:21
  funny way, but in the weird way. And I, I did want to say Morgan.
• 4:27:25
  I, I noticed that I lost followers because of it.
• 4:27:29
  My thing jumped. I don't know if it was like 100
• 4:27:31
  followers, but it jumped from whatever it was down to the 100
• 4:27:35
  below that. So abortion would be my biggest
• 4:27:39
  hang up. That's huge.
• 4:27:40
  And I don't see how Christians can skim past that.
• 4:27:45
  But there are many others. And I just thought about like,
• 4:27:47
  maybe what are three or four of the biggest ones?
• 4:27:51
  As a whole, I see the Democrats as the party pushing critical
• 4:27:56
  race theory and racial division, LGBTQ and gender confusion,
• 4:28:02
  moral deconstruction, which by that I just mean like they're
• 4:28:05
  just saying that everything is subjective.
• 4:28:08
  There's no moral truth, there's no biblical truth.
• 4:28:12
  It's all just relative moral deconstruction and socialistic
• 4:28:17
  ideology. Meaning let's let's invite more
• 4:28:20
  and more of these socialist ideologies.
• 4:28:25
  The next example was just don't Morgan and a sex related post
• 4:28:29
  she made and got pushed back for.
• 4:28:31
  They decided to address this one while holding a baby, which is a
• 4:28:34
  definite choice. I mean what is it with fundies
• 4:28:36
  talking explicitly about sex while holding babies?
• 4:28:40
  Morgan isn't as bad as Bethany Beal for doing this, but they're
• 4:28:43
  both guilty of it. Just just put the baby down for
• 4:28:45
  a bit if you're going to talk about sex.
• 4:28:48
  This video I found interesting because Morgan asked a very
• 4:28:50
  open-ended question and then proceeded to act annoyed and
• 4:28:53
  disgusted and like she didn't have time for anyone who gave
• 4:28:56
  her an answer that wasn't in alignment with her beliefs.
• 4:29:00
  Very odd. Notice all her sighing and eye
• 4:29:03
  rolling and the faces she keeps pulling.
• 4:29:05
  She's just doesn't want to be here.
• 4:29:07
  She doesn't want to hear any of it.
• 4:29:09
  It's crazy. We're reacting to some shocking
• 4:29:12
  responses from the post. When did you make this post on
• 4:29:16
  Instagram? Like a week ago?
• 4:29:19
  And you, like, I remember seeing you drop this post.
• 4:29:23
  And I even told you I said this is the most intrigued for
• 4:29:27
  others. Yeah, it was the most intrigued
• 4:29:30
  I've been about something you've dropped on Instagram in quite a
• 4:29:32
  while. Wow.
• 4:29:34
  Well, sometimes when my brain is not total mush, OK, because of
• 4:29:40
  motherhood, I have these random thoughts of just like genuine
• 4:29:45
  curiosities of like, I wonder what people think about this or
• 4:29:49
  that. And I one thing have I have
• 4:29:53
  noticed in our generation, younger generation, is this kind
• 4:29:59
  of like lackadaisical. Yeah, that's a good word
• 4:30:07
  approach, approach to God's Word.
• 4:30:13
  I agree with you. I think that we're seeing a lot
• 4:30:16
  and we have been guilty of it, I'm sure, but we are seeing a
• 4:30:19
  lot of lackadaisicalness to God's Word.
• 4:30:22
  It shows, guys, it shows in disobedience.
• 4:30:25
  Is there any stipulation for who should be coming to church?
• 4:30:28
  Should there be a place of, should there be any occasion for
• 4:30:30
  calling people out and even kicking them out of the church?
• 4:30:33
  Come on now it we might have to talk about that.
• 4:30:37
  OK, well calm it down. Good amount of people ultimately
• 4:30:41
  defending and justifying their current situation, which is I'm
• 4:30:46
  sleeping with my boyfriend and girlfriend and many of them are
• 4:30:49
  saying I'm a Christian. We're going to share some of
• 4:30:51
  those and we're going to talk about it simply.
• 4:30:53
  I do and I could care less, couldn't care less.
• 4:30:55
  God Forgives your sin, doesn't he?
• 4:30:58
  So he forgives me. Can we do we?
• 4:31:01
  Should we read like a few of them first to kind of get things
• 4:31:03
  going? Sure.
• 4:31:05
  It's between me and my boyfriend and God.
• 4:31:08
  Who bringing God into your sinful relationship and acting
• 4:31:12
  like that's fine, You don't want nothing to do with that.
• 4:31:16
  I don't believe it's sexually immoral to have consensual.
• 4:31:20
  People love the word consensual, which is fine, fine.
• 4:31:24
  Don't believe it's sexually immoral to have consensual
• 4:31:27
  premarital sex. So I don't believe this is what
• 4:31:29
  the Bible is addressing as sinful or an issue.
• 4:31:33
  Heck, there are sexual things in marriage I would deem sexually
• 4:31:37
  immoral before consensual vanilla premarital sex.
• 4:31:43
  What's vanilla? Just like standard.
• 4:31:46
  Oh boring. So I think God would agree.
• 4:31:51
  I love that. I think God would agree.
• 4:31:53
  Why don't we love to think God would agree?
• 4:31:56
  I'm doing this. I think God would agree.
• 4:31:59
  I've yeah, I've really embraced this for my life.
• 4:32:02
  I think God would agree as long as it's consensual, then God is
• 4:32:07
  for it. As long as it's consensual.
• 4:32:09
  Me and my boyfriend were consensual.
• 4:32:11
  So it is so great. I believe, I think God would
• 4:32:17
  agree it's consensual. They just they love the social
• 4:32:20
  justice warriors. They just they that word like
• 4:32:22
  overshadows God's word. The word consensual.
• 4:32:26
  They love that word. He doesn't love her in this area
• 4:32:29
  like he's in sin. If he's withholding sex from
• 4:32:34
  her, he's in sin. What about consensual?
• 4:32:39
  He's not feeling and if she's not feeling it, if she's what if
• 4:32:43
  she wants to withhold? If he wants to because we got
• 4:32:46
  this on a if you want to withhold sex, do it.
• 4:32:49
  It's got to be consensual. And it's like, OK, like
• 4:32:52
  obviously you don't want to force yourself on your but like,
• 4:32:55
  should there not be any of this? Like if that woman is desiring
• 4:33:00
  intimacy from her husband maybe a little more frequently and
• 4:33:03
  he's like, oh, my sex drive. I'm just good for once every six
• 4:33:06
  months and she's desiring it more often.
• 4:33:08
  There should be some sacrifice. Oh no, not consensual.
• 4:33:13
  Once every six months. That's consensual, just like
• 4:33:17
  any. Sorry guys.
• 4:33:19
  It also really, really bothers me that Paul was making so many
• 4:33:22
  homophobic jokes here and undermining the importance of
• 4:33:25
  consent. That's just really sickening.
• 4:33:28
  How anyone can joke about the need to have consent in a
• 4:33:31
  relationship is just beyond me. We're also at this time getting
• 4:33:38
  responses to other atheist channels videos about them,
• 4:33:41
  probably most notably the responses to Taylor and Drew,
• 4:33:44
  Fundy Fridays and Mickey Atkins. We'll start with the Taylor and
• 4:33:48
  Drew response, and one of the things I want you to take note
• 4:33:52
  of going forward is how they treat different people
• 4:33:56
  differently based on their identities.
• 4:33:59
  We saw how nice they were to Jacqueline Glenn, despite
• 4:34:01
  Jacqueline being quite snarky towards them.
• 4:34:04
  And you'll notice a pattern here where they are nicer towards
• 4:34:07
  certain kinds of people. So we'll start with the tailor
• 4:34:11
  injury response where I'll just say it, Paul was incredibly
• 4:34:14
  cocky and arrogant. I'm ready to dive right in.
• 4:34:17
  I'm ready to get right into these clips and then take the
• 4:34:20
  boxing gloves, the gloves off, get a few rib shots.
• 4:34:24
  No, no, there will be none of that.
• 4:34:27
  We will not be punching anyone. No, no, it's totally figurative.
• 4:34:31
  It's totally figurative. I've heard some of the clips
• 4:34:33
  that Paul pulled in to play this and from what I've heard, they
• 4:34:37
  sound like nice people. They sound like nice people, the
• 4:34:40
  nicest people who have made response video stuff.
• 4:34:42
  But they but they still they're they're they're pushing back,
• 4:34:45
  but at least they're nice to Taylor and Drew.
• 4:34:48
  They acknowledge that Taylor and Drew seem lovely because they
• 4:34:51
  are. They're very genuinely kind
• 4:34:52
  people. I've met them.
• 4:34:53
  They're very nice. One thing I did appreciate about
• 4:34:56
  this video was on the whole, I thought they came across as
• 4:34:59
  really respectful to Taylor and Drew.
• 4:35:01
  And they seem to have like a genuine back and forth about
• 4:35:03
  ideas instead of diving into personal insults Or, you know,
• 4:35:07
  he like Paul and Morgan didn't personally insult Taylor and
• 4:35:11
  Drew, which was really nice to see.
• 4:35:13
  And I point this out for two reasons.
• 4:35:15
  One, because it's commendable. And two, because they don't show
• 4:35:17
  the same respect to everyone else.
• 4:35:18
  And I want to keep reiterating it so you notice it.
• 4:35:22
  They're playing. They're responding to where we
• 4:35:26
  talk about sex before marriage. I thought this one was quite
• 4:35:31
  interesting. Sex before marriage go, that's
• 4:35:34
  not going to affect anything. Yeah.
• 4:35:37
  So I agree with her when she's saying having sexual partners
• 4:35:42
  before your spouse does affect things because it will affect
• 4:35:48
  things, but I don't agree that it'll affect things negatively.
• 4:35:53
  Yeah, like at least it doesn't have to.
• 4:35:54
  She's not saying that, but she's like kind of implying that like
• 4:35:57
  when she says affect things, that it's negatively affecting
• 4:36:01
  things. And it can, like, you, there is
• 4:36:04
  baggage you can definitely take from previous sexual experiences
• 4:36:09
  that you could be taking into your current partner.
• 4:36:11
  But it doesn't have to. It can be like a positive thing
• 4:36:14
  a lot of the time, Right. Again, it's not black and white.
• 4:36:17
  I mean, yeah, like, I really miss new ones.
• 4:36:21
  That's what we're here to provide.
• 4:36:22
  I hope you can really sense just how serious this is and how much
• 4:36:30
  maybe not for them like they're saying, but for other people,
• 4:36:32
  how much pain and shame comes from this subject.
• 4:36:37
  And I mean, before we got married, you had done some
• 4:36:42
  things and I hadn't. And like, that did affect some
• 4:36:45
  things. But after we left Christianity,
• 4:36:49
  it like all of that completely evaporated.
• 4:36:53
  I mean, it didn't really cause a real problem, but it was a
• 4:36:57
  somewhat sensitive. So it's more like the shame of
• 4:37:01
  it, right. The shame of it, yeah.
• 4:37:03
  Was really the thing that weighed on us.
• 4:37:06
  Not, not anything actually bad, not bad.
• 4:37:09
  Bad happened. Yeah.
• 4:37:10
  And that's The thing is that when you stop feeling ashamed
• 4:37:14
  about it, nothing bad happens. It's all good.
• 4:37:18
  The only reason that they experience or other people might
• 4:37:20
  be experiencing negative consequences a lot of the time
• 4:37:24
  is because it's like the shame they're experiencing, like the
• 4:37:27
  shame that they're feeling, right?
• 4:37:29
  It's not because anything bad's actually happening.
• 4:37:31
  It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Like we're going to feel bad if
• 4:37:34
  we do this and it's going to affect our marriage.
• 4:37:37
  And so they do things and then they feel horrible about it and
• 4:37:39
  then it affects their marriage because they feel so bad about
• 4:37:41
  it. Yeah, I so it's interesting
• 4:37:43
  hearing them talk about like the ashamed feeling like you
• 4:37:47
  shouldn't feel ashamed and we only feel ashamed because we
• 4:37:49
  kind of like self prophecy over ourselves of this is bad.
• 4:37:52
  So I'm going to feel bad about it.
• 4:37:54
  I will say I do feel like as Christians and as the church and
• 4:38:00
  just as a whole, we can like shame and condemnation or sorry
• 4:38:09
  shame or condemnation slash conviction.
• 4:38:12
  It's a very small line that we can fall over into shame rather
• 4:38:19
  than just being convicted. And there's personally I don't,
• 4:38:24
  I'm not ashamed of my past at all.
• 4:38:27
  I'm not living in shame. When I met Paul, I wasn't
• 4:38:32
  ashamed when I told him that I was not a virgin.
• 4:38:35
  I felt convicted that I had done those things.
• 4:38:39
  And I knew that there were going to be possible consequences from
• 4:38:43
  living in that sin for a while. But I didn't feel shameful about
• 4:38:48
  it because I repented. And I knew that my Heavenly
• 4:38:52
  Father, forgive me. And I tell this to you guys all
• 4:38:55
  the time when you reach out, like, how can I forgive?
• 4:38:58
  Give myself from the past stuff that I've done.
• 4:39:00
  I'm like, you are a measly little human being, human being
• 4:39:06
  being little being. If God, the the creator of the
• 4:39:11
  universe can choose to forgive you, why the heck can't you
• 4:39:15
  forgive yourself? It's good, you know, like if
• 4:39:18
  God, my Heavenly Father, creator of the universe has chosen to
• 4:39:24
  forgive me, I can then make a choice to forgive myself.
• 4:39:28
  And so like, I understand what they're saying, but I also
• 4:39:32
  believe that there are Christians out there who are not
• 4:39:34
  ashamed of their past at all. And they understand that like
• 4:39:38
  there is conviction, but they're not condemned.
• 4:39:40
  They're not walking around living in shame for the rest of
• 4:39:42
  their lives. And I hope that in our videos
• 4:39:45
  and in me sharing my past like it can bring you all to a place
• 4:39:50
  of walking in true freedom with Christ.
• 4:39:53
  I just love, I love the simplicity of this.
• 4:39:56
  Are we going to be obedient to what the Bible says or not?
• 4:39:59
  That really, I love that. Oh, we can.
• 4:40:03
  We can almost just like all this other stuff.
• 4:40:05
  That stuff is fine. Are we going to be obedient?
• 4:40:08
  I think some of their points here, like the differences
• 4:40:11
  between shame and conviction, could genuinely be useful and
• 4:40:14
  interesting discussions, but it feels a little undermined by
• 4:40:16
  what Paul says next. Apostle Paul over and over again
• 4:40:20
  he's talking about keeping the marriage bed Holy already said
• 4:40:22
  that fleeing sexual immorality. Get away from the adulterous
• 4:40:27
  woman. Don't go down those streets.
• 4:40:29
  Is your life really going to be reduced down to a loaf of bread?
• 4:40:32
  Her house leads to death, death, death, death.
• 4:40:36
  Why are we and I know that I guess this is more fornication
• 4:40:39
  sex before marriage. But like, man, don't make light
• 4:40:43
  of this stuff Christians. All that said, on the whole this
• 4:40:46
  video seemed to be made in pretty good faith.
• 4:40:49
  I'm not sure the same can be said for the response they made
• 4:40:51
  to Jen from Fundy Fridays a month before.
• 4:40:54
  Jenny's also a very lovely person.
• 4:40:56
  I've not met her but we've chatted a bit online.
• 4:40:57
  She's very, very kind. She's lovely.
• 4:41:02
  I can understand them being upset about response videos to
• 4:41:05
  some extent, but I do think they were way harsher in their
• 4:41:07
  responses to Jen than they were to Taylor and Drew.
• 4:41:10
  But still not as harsh as, but still that's nothing compared to
• 4:41:14
  how they treated Mickey Atkins a little later.
• 4:41:16
  But we'll get to that. This particular video, Morgan, I
• 4:41:21
  found, yes. I don't.
• 4:41:24
  I just found something interesting about this one.
• 4:41:27
  We're going to be responding to Fundy Fridays video that she
• 4:41:31
  made. I want to say it was 12 days
• 4:41:32
  ago. And there's a particular aspect
• 4:41:35
  of that video that we're really going to be honing in on that.
• 4:41:38
  I hope some really valuable but conversation, even if it's
• 4:41:42
  disagreements they produce you guys.
• 4:41:46
  I mean they cause you guys to think through some of this stuff
• 4:41:48
  and maybe some some minds are open, some hearts are open.
• 4:41:52
  I ended up watching a chunk of it.
• 4:41:55
  I got to a place though, just being real, and I will say that
• 4:41:59
  it was not the the worst. What would you call this hate
• 4:42:04
  video made or response video made?
• 4:42:06
  It wasn't like there's been worse ones.
• 4:42:08
  It's more like a docu series. This one vibe that I was
• 4:42:10
  getting. Yeah, right.
• 4:42:11
  This one fell around docu series.
• 4:42:13
  You guys go check it out. That's that's kind of what I'm
• 4:42:16
  saying. Like she spent a lot of time
• 4:42:18
  producing this video, but it was a lot of just clips of us.
• 4:42:22
  And then she would respond briefly, but it wasn't like she
• 4:42:26
  was ripping into us too bad. But at the same time, there was
• 4:42:30
  a video that I decided not to air a clip of this.
• 4:42:33
  We're going to show some clips, but it wasn't really relevant to
• 4:42:35
  this topic. But it was where she said that
• 4:42:37
  I, I was like a Zoolander Zoolander because I was
• 4:42:40
  conceited and full of myself. And so she didn't hold back, so
• 4:42:45
  to speak. It wasn't like she was positive
• 4:42:49
  and encouraging towards our channel, but she wasn't the
• 4:42:52
  worst. But anyway, Morgan that said,
• 4:42:55
  would I encourage the PNM fam to go watch her video in its
• 4:42:59
  entirety. I started feeling a heaviness as
• 4:43:04
  I continued watching it to the point where I turned it off.
• 4:43:07
  It was it was heavy. Not everything she was saying
• 4:43:10
  was accurate to watch her her video.
• 4:43:12
  No, it's it's very negative towards us in a in a kind of
• 4:43:16
  passive aggressive way. You can if you want but there's
• 4:43:20
  there's cursing. She's very much anti
• 4:43:23
  Christianity, fundy Christianity if you will.
• 4:43:27
  About Morgan is that she struggles with a lot of
• 4:43:29
  different mental illnesses. She has specifically mentioned
• 4:43:31
  borderline personality disorder a few times as well as some
• 4:43:34
  severe anxiety. In one video I watched she said
• 4:43:36
  that she used to have a service dog because her anxiety would
• 4:43:39
  get so bad. So that's pretty rough, Morgan,
• 4:43:42
  and I'm glad you're feeling better, but it is highly
• 4:43:44
  troubling and problematic when you say stuff like mental
• 4:43:48
  illness is caused by sexual sin. It's interesting because so many
• 4:43:52
  people of who you know, maybe identify as a Christian and who
• 4:43:57
  identify as not will say sex before marriage is fine.
• 4:44:02
  It's amazing, it's great. It's absolutely necessary to
• 4:44:05
  find your spouse. And to that I say, do you
• 4:44:08
  struggle with depression? Do you struggle with anxiety?
• 4:44:11
  Do you struggle with blah, blah, blah.
• 4:44:13
  And people aren't going to like this, but I don't care.
• 4:44:17
  And if the answer is yes, then I'm just going to say I don't
• 4:44:20
  want to hear from you because when you are struggling with
• 4:44:25
  these really like heavy things, these mental illnesses, these
• 4:44:29
  very heavy things, and you're living in sin, but yet you're
• 4:44:33
  saying it's totally fine. It doesn't affect me in any way,
• 4:44:35
  shape or form. I just don't believe that.
• 4:44:38
  I don't believe that. I believe that if you stopped
• 4:44:41
  having sex outside of marriage that your depression might
• 4:44:44
  lessen. And I know you guys are going to
• 4:44:46
  like go off on me. It's fine.
• 4:44:47
  You can, but I from personal experience living in sexual sin,
• 4:44:54
  was literally being eaten alive and destroyed by depression, by
• 4:44:58
  anxiety, by panic attacks. I was throwing up for 18 to 20
• 4:45:02
  hours a day, sometimes literally multiple times a month because I
• 4:45:05
  was so sick mentally and physically because of the crap
• 4:45:09
  that I was living in. And as soon literally you guys,
• 4:45:11
  the day that I said, I'm done with this and I walked away from
• 4:45:15
  that, like my depression did not totally go away yet, but it
• 4:45:18
  lifted like a weight off of me. It was gone.
• 4:45:22
  And so I just don't really want to hear from people who are
• 4:45:24
  like, it doesn't do anything to you, but then they're living in
• 4:45:27
  like darkness all the time. It's like, why would you ever
• 4:45:29
  take advice from a person who is living in such darkness?
• 4:45:32
  People like to use the word problematic.
• 4:45:36
  And like, I think that's one thing that she said like that my
• 4:45:40
  that she finds it problematic for me to blame sexual sin for
• 4:45:46
  depression or anxiety or whatever, which I I want to say
• 4:45:50
  like her comments from what I saw, these comments about like
• 4:45:54
  just my struggles with mental illness and and become
• 4:46:00
  overcoming those things. Like she wasn't like insanely
• 4:46:02
  harsh or anything or like ripping me apart at least in
• 4:46:06
  from what I saw. That's what I'm saying.
• 4:46:07
  It could have been worse. Yeah.
• 4:46:10
  And so I appreciate that, I guess, but but yeah, I stand by
• 4:46:14
  what I said. I think that there is absolute
• 4:46:18
  validity to that. And I think that anyone who is
• 4:46:22
  going to doubt that before, like giving it a try of like stop
• 4:46:27
  sinning, stop living in sin, whatever type of sin it is,
• 4:46:32
  can't really speak because they don't have experience from that.
• 4:46:36
  You know, it's interesting when we get, we'll just call it a
• 4:46:39
  hate video or a response video made from someone like an
• 4:46:43
  obvious, I'm assuming she's an atheist, but or someone who's
• 4:46:47
  obviously not a Christian. We'll just say and they take all
• 4:46:52
  of the stuff that we're saying and they're just appalled by it.
• 4:46:55
  They're shocked by it. Guys.
• 4:46:58
  Is that a surprise to anyone that an atheist is going to be
• 4:47:01
  shocked by Christians who stand on a biblical worldview?
• 4:47:06
  Like it should be shocking if atheists are making videos
• 4:47:10
  praising you. I think the problem with this
• 4:47:14
  video response is that Paula Morgan just seemed absolutely
• 4:47:16
  unable to hear what Jen was actually saying and would just
• 4:47:20
  instantly dismiss anything she said, which is infuriating to
• 4:47:23
  watch. It was like, well, she's saying
• 4:47:25
  this, but she's an atheist so it doesn't count.
• 4:47:27
  You know, I was also they, they kept bringing up this kind of
• 4:47:31
  like divide between atheists and Christians and like saying
• 4:47:34
  things like, oh, it's so shocking to see an atheist
• 4:47:37
  praising a Christian. Like, no, it's really not.
• 4:47:40
  Like I know plenty of amazing Christian people who I praise
• 4:47:45
  constantly because they're good people and I respect them and
• 4:47:48
  love them to bits. You know what I mean?
• 4:47:51
  And Jen is the same, Like, you don't just judge someone because
• 4:47:54
  they have a different religious belief to you.
• 4:47:56
  You listen to what they're saying and see how they're
• 4:47:59
  acting and look at what they're doing, and then you make a
• 4:48:01
  judgement, you know? Like, as long as a person's been
• 4:48:04
  a good person, I don't care what their religious belief is, I'm
• 4:48:06
  going to praise them for it. I and Jen and others like us
• 4:48:10
  don't criticise Paul and Morgan because they're Christians.
• 4:48:13
  We criticise them because they are hateful and cruel and use
• 4:48:17
  religion as an excuse and a weapon to fuel that cruelty.
• 4:48:22
  That's what we have a problem with.
• 4:48:24
  And then we get to the back and forth with Mickey Atkins.
• 4:48:29
  Unlike Taylor and Drew, I've not met her, and unlike Jen, I don't
• 4:48:32
  I don't think we've spoken. I might be wrong.
• 4:48:35
  So I don't really know what Mickey is like outside of her
• 4:48:37
  content, but she seems lovely and I really enjoy her videos.
• 4:48:41
  I can say that Mickey has also made a number of videos on Paul
• 4:48:45
  and Morgan before, including calling out their victim blaming
• 4:48:47
  statements amongst other topics. But the main back and forth
• 4:48:51
  happened when Paul and Morgan decided to revisit a topic we've
• 4:48:54
  already heard from them on once. What TV and film should
• 4:48:59
  Christians be watching this time?
• 4:49:00
  They made the video without Hannah Williamson.
• 4:49:03
  Mickey made a response to this title.
• 4:49:05
  Paul Morgan Want You to develop anxiety.
• 4:49:08
  Therapist talks religious trauma, to which Paul responded
• 4:49:11
  with one of his own titled Therapist Calls out P&M for
• 4:49:16
  Inflicting Suffering on People. This entire response from Paul
• 4:49:21
  was so damn disrespectful. It was awful to watch.
• 4:49:27
  Like I I was getting genuinely angry for Mickey watching this.
• 4:49:33
  He repeatedly pronounced Mickey's name wrong and made
• 4:49:36
  jokes about it. He repeatedly shamed Mickey's
• 4:49:38
  appearance, which is just entirely inappropriate and
• 4:49:42
  unnecessary. I know this is just Paul's
• 4:49:44
  misogyny showing, but he didn't have to say it in terms of the
• 4:49:48
  actual response. Unlike, for example, in his
• 4:49:51
  response to Taylor and Drew, Paul was less focused on
• 4:49:54
  refuting her actual points here and more focused on just
• 4:49:57
  attacking her personally and mocking her on a personal level.
• 4:50:00
  And he was very defensive and trying to like claim that he's
• 4:50:03
  not a fundy. He's not a fundy.
• 4:50:04
  And I'm like, but you are very odd.
• 4:50:08
  And he just genuinely seemed so much meaner in this video than
• 4:50:12
  he was to Jacqueline Glenn or than he was to Taylor and Drew.
• 4:50:15
  And I think there's a reason for that.
• 4:50:17
  Mickey Adkins is her name and she's actually made videos on us
• 4:50:21
  before Atkins, Atkins certified professional, US mental health.
• 4:50:27
  A question that I ask and I genuinely say this, are these
• 4:50:31
  what mental health professionals look like these days?
• 4:50:34
  Is Missy Adkins and again, we're about to really get into it and
• 4:50:37
  RIP off the Band-Aid and go into her video, but is, is she
• 4:50:40
  indicative of a large amount of what mental health professionals
• 4:50:44
  look like these days? You can see in her, her
• 4:50:47
  background, she's got all these signs up to kind of give you an
• 4:50:50
  idea of, of her belief systems and stuff.
• 4:50:53
  It's just OK. It's just a question I have.
• 4:50:55
  Is she indicative of the masses of mental health professionals
• 4:50:59
  these days? I'm like, man, this looks like a
• 4:51:01
  fun show. So I go to parents Guide and it
• 4:51:04
  has like sex and nudity section and it said severe.
• 4:51:09
  I'm not touching it. I'm not touching it.
• 4:51:11
  I'm not OK. I just wow.
• 4:51:16
  There is so much that's being said here without being said
• 4:51:21
  explicitly. I wanted to address this first
• 4:51:23
  of all because there's been a lot of discussion about people
• 4:51:26
  like Paul and Morgan and Girl Defined and people in this
• 4:51:29
  evangelical Christian fundamentalist niche in regards
• 4:51:31
  to how childlike they appear. And I feel like this is a great
• 4:51:34
  opportunity for us to discuss the ways that that manifests in
• 4:51:39
  people's everyday behaviour. And this to me is very much that
• 4:51:41
  feeling the need to have approval by some kind of like
• 4:51:44
  review body or like outside source in order to feel allowed
• 4:51:48
  to do things as an adult is very much a function of these very
• 4:51:51
  repressive and very authoritarian religious groups,
• 4:51:53
  groups generally. Honestly, this is a red flag, to
• 4:51:56
  be super clear. All right, so you can start
• 4:51:57
  getting the tone of her pushback on us.
• 4:52:00
  I'm about to play kind of a Part 2 to this clip, but I find it
• 4:52:03
  interesting that she's so casually and confidently lumping
• 4:52:07
  Paul and Morgan in with the fundamentalists.
• 4:52:10
  It's kind of ironic, you know, we just had the whole shiny
• 4:52:13
  happy people dealio, and here she goes lumping us in.
• 4:52:17
  Paul and Morgan are fundamentalists.
• 4:52:19
  What are they all fundies? Fundy, fundy Fundy Christians.
• 4:52:23
  All right, First off, I'm going to forgive you, Missy, for your
• 4:52:28
  little comment. There lots of things that are
• 4:52:30
  hard for Paul to comprehend. You're forgiven by me.
• 4:52:33
  So she talks about a difference between regular Christian or you
• 4:52:36
  know regular religious person and Paul and Morgan type
• 4:52:40
  Christian and girl the fine type Christian the regular Christians
• 4:52:44
  you guys are good but not the Paul and Morgan radical fundies.
• 4:52:49
  I think for me watching one of the most disgusting parts was
• 4:52:51
  where Mickey made some really amazing points comparing our
• 4:52:54
  attitudes to food and sex and how we can have healthier or
• 4:52:58
  unhealthy relationships with them.
• 4:52:59
  And it was a really, really well made point on Mickey's part.
• 4:53:04
  And Paul just turned around and decided to ignore everything she
• 4:53:07
  said and just body shame her. It was absolutely disgusting and
• 4:53:11
  it is clear to me that Paul was only resorting to personal
• 4:53:14
  attacks because he isn't intelligent enough to formulate
• 4:53:17
  a proper response to what she was saying.
• 4:53:20
  But but how has the casual approach been working?
• 4:53:25
  How's it been working? Let's stick with the food for a
• 4:53:27
  second. And I'm.
• 4:53:29
  I'm not trying to sound mean, but how is the casual approach
• 4:53:33
  to, you know, she said it's it, it creates just this, this
• 4:53:37
  dysfunction and obsession when you completely remove the food
• 4:53:41
  out of your house, do the junk food.
• 4:53:42
  I can't even have that food in my house or it becomes too much
• 4:53:46
  of an issue and I end up just eating all of it.
• 4:53:47
  So I don't even bring it in the house.
• 4:53:49
  No, don't do that. Don't make a certain food or
• 4:53:51
  certain sexual content forbidden.
• 4:53:53
  Learn how to have it around and moderate it.
• 4:53:55
  OK, again, I see what she's saying and sometimes there can
• 4:53:58
  be wisdom there and certain things, but how's the casual
• 4:54:01
  approach been working for her? She's a heavy woman.
• 4:54:04
  I'm just hate, hate me if you want.
• 4:54:06
  I'm just stating facts. She's a heavy woman and she is
• 4:54:09
  coaching us on the correct way to approach food, the correct
• 4:54:12
  relationships with food. It is kind of ironic, is it not,
• 4:54:16
  to have a heavy woman coaching us on how to approach food?
• 4:54:23
  You going to get angry with me for saying that?
• 4:54:24
  It's just the truth. It's kind of ironic.
• 4:54:26
  And for so many others. How is the casual approach been
• 4:54:29
  working for you when it comes to food, for instance, something
• 4:54:32
  that's not inherently sinful, like cookies?
• 4:54:36
  How's the casual approach been working for you?
• 4:54:38
  And if it hasn't been working too well, go ahead and become
• 4:54:40
  more drastic would be my counsel.
• 4:54:43
  You can't just go around making rude comments about people's
• 4:54:46
  bodies. And you absolutely shouldn't be
• 4:54:47
  telling people to restrict their food or making assumptions about
• 4:54:51
  their eating habits. It's unhealthy and it's cruel.
• 4:54:55
  And the only times he does try to address her points, he just
• 4:54:57
  goes into full hyperbole, like in this clip.
• 4:55:00
  But on the other end, is there anything that we should
• 4:55:02
  completely avoid? Mickey, I'll ask you this, is
• 4:55:05
  there anything? What about crack?
• 4:55:08
  What about a desire to punch someone that you're angry at
• 4:55:11
  because they're annoying you? A desire to punch them in the
• 4:55:14
  face? Thankfully, Mickey responded to
• 4:55:16
  this with a really excellent video titled Paul and Morgan
• 4:55:19
  finally responded, and it was not what I expected.
• 4:55:21
  I'll play you a few clips for context, but I recommend just
• 4:55:24
  going and watching that video in full for yourself because it's
• 4:55:27
  great. Also, the other thing that's so
• 4:55:28
  funny to me, like as a clinician, is that I am fairly
• 4:55:31
  aware of the ways that people try to manipulate others.
• 4:55:35
  You know, this becomes a thing that like to me it's very
• 4:55:39
  elementary 'cause I talk about it all the time.
• 4:55:41
  You gone to school for it You yes yeah, it's the false reality
• 4:55:45
  thing where you like create a little bubble.
• 4:55:47
  Oh yes, yes like everybody knows about common manipulation
• 4:55:50
  tactics and like that can be a hell of a drug.
• 4:55:52
  But also, but like this is such a like page one paragraph, one
• 4:55:57
  tactic from the like, I'm trying to manipulate or like bully
• 4:56:00
  people Thing is the like using your name incorrectly or
• 4:56:04
  pronouncing things incorrectly or like doing the air quotes,
• 4:56:07
  like supposedly thing like all of that is such a transparent
• 4:56:10
  attempt to create this feeling of like smallness or otherness.
• 4:56:15
  You know, it feels like trying to like get down on the same
• 4:56:17
  level. I'm like, yeah, I'm just like,
• 4:56:18
  are you doing OK? No, Yeah, but yeah, it's like
• 4:56:21
  the same thing with the fat. Like, like, I know.
• 4:56:23
  Hello. I am thin.
• 4:56:25
  Mickey is fat, correct? They are words.
• 4:56:27
  Yes, I know. Just say fat.
• 4:56:28
  Just say don't stay heavy. Just like put your full ass in
• 4:56:31
  the street if you're gonna do it.
• 4:56:32
  Just call Mickey fat. Also, like, I literally have a
• 4:56:34
  thing on the wall that says fat queer.
• 4:56:35
  Granted, you couldn't see it in that video.
• 4:56:36
  Like you made that like we're like, yes, and I'll Birch this.
• 4:56:40
  It's fat queer. And again, I'm not ashamed of
• 4:56:42
  that because Paul is so blatantly obviously attempting
• 4:56:46
  to rage farm. Well, and that's what I was
• 4:56:48
  going to say. That's like a little bit
• 4:56:49
  embarrassing. Is that like naively, I think I
• 4:56:51
  was almost hopeful for there to be some kind of intelligent
• 4:56:55
  discourse. I was like, maybe like, if
• 4:56:57
  they're going to open this conversation, we can have like a
• 4:56:59
  real like this might be kind of, yeah, you know, like, I don't
• 4:57:02
  know. I don't expect them.
• 4:57:03
  Like, again, I don't I don't ever expect Paul or Morgan to
• 4:57:05
  deconstruct in any meaningful way.
• 4:57:07
  But I was like, maybe they're willing to, to validate that.
• 4:57:10
  Like we will recognise the validity of other people
• 4:57:12
  practising Christianity, even if they don't do it the way that
• 4:57:14
  we're doing it, right? Like we're, we're still going to
• 4:57:17
  speak to our followers who are doing it this way.
• 4:57:19
  But like, maybe we'll stop calling people who are not
• 4:57:22
  Christians like us, not real Christians.
• 4:57:25
  And then as it turns out, the whole video is just Paul trying
• 4:57:28
  to dunk on me for being fat. And it's just, it's giving like
• 4:57:32
  elementary. Paul then felt the need to
• 4:57:35
  respond to this one too, in his video titled My Second Response
• 4:57:38
  to Therapist Mickey Atkins. And I think the craziest thing
• 4:57:42
  about watching these videos back-to-back was that I'd
• 4:57:44
  literally just watch clips of Mickey talking about how harmful
• 4:57:48
  Paul's comments were about her body.
• 4:57:50
  Like harmful both for her and for other people watching who
• 4:57:53
  have the same body type or you have problems with disordered
• 4:57:57
  eating. She was saying, hey, these
• 4:57:58
  statements will cause harm. And she was pointing out how
• 4:58:01
  they cause harm and why they cause harm.
• 4:58:03
  And then Paul immediately opened this video with like, oh, I
• 4:58:06
  enjoy this back and forth so much.
• 4:58:08
  And I think as long as you enjoy something and it's not hurting
• 4:58:11
  someone, why shouldn't you do it?
• 4:58:13
  And I'm like, you've literally just been told you're hurting
• 4:58:15
  people. And he's like, but I'm not.
• 4:58:17
  And I'm like, you don't listen to anything they're saying, do
• 4:58:20
  you? It's very frustrating.
• 4:58:26
  Let's look at some clips. You guys know I'm not too great
• 4:58:29
  with names. I'm just not too great with
• 4:58:31
  names. I've butchered a few of your
• 4:58:33
  all's names, but so so she there accused me.
• 4:58:38
  She was saying this is Page 1 of manipulation and belittling
• 4:58:41
  someone. I want to say I apologise if you
• 4:58:44
  guys watched my response video for maybe a week and a half ago
• 4:58:48
  to Mickey. I started out the video calling
• 4:58:51
  her the correct name and somehow in my brain it went from Mickey
• 4:58:55
  to Missy and I probably four or five times called her Missy.
• 4:59:00
  I apologise, OK? I, I didn't realise it was going
• 4:59:04
  to be that big of a thing. Mickey and Missy is pretty
• 4:59:07
  close, but I did it. It was my bad, OK?
• 4:59:10
  I really did not have any ill will or manipulation or trying
• 4:59:15
  to belittle you. It was an accident, all right.
• 4:59:19
  I didn't realise it was going to become this big of a thing.
• 4:59:22
  As it turns out, the whole video is just Paul trying to dunk on
• 4:59:25
  me for being fat. And it's just it's giving like
• 4:59:28
  elementary the whole video. My video was 18 minutes long
• 4:59:35
  roughly. And I'm sorry, Mickey, you're a
• 4:59:38
  fair. Is there not like, you know how
• 4:59:40
  like there's a doctor's code of conduct that says as a doctor, I
• 4:59:44
  will never do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 4:59:47
  Is there not that for therapists where as a therapist, I'm not
• 4:59:50
  allowed to bold faced lie. There should be.
• 4:59:53
  Am I being am I being mean here to say that like that was a bold
• 4:59:57
  faced lie? She said the whole her whole
• 5:00:01
  video was dunking on her for being fat.
• 5:00:04
  Thank you. There as in morganized.
• 5:00:07
  Well, technically my video. Yeah.
• 5:00:08
  That's just not true. Video was 18 minutes long and
• 5:00:12
  dunking on her for being fat. I'm actually towards the end of
• 5:00:16
  today's video I'm going to play where I discussed it, but if you
• 5:00:19
  remove the chunk that she's referring to, if you remove the
• 5:00:24
  part that she's referring to, the video goes from 18 minutes
• 5:00:27
  to probably 17 minutes and 15 seconds.
• 5:00:30
  It's just another video that is again, so infuriating to watch.
• 5:00:33
  I just, I was infuriated at the stage because the one apology he
• 5:00:37
  gives is so damn insincere and the rest is just condescending.
• 5:00:41
  He gets bogged down in the he gets so bogged down in the
• 5:00:44
  technicalities of like, well, it wasn't the whole video was being
• 5:00:48
  fat phobic, only there's one part of it.
• 5:00:50
  So blah, blah, blah, blah. Like he just refuses to
• 5:00:53
  acknowledge any of his meanness, even though we all, we all saw
• 5:00:56
  it, we all watched it. How can you deny Wild?
• 5:01:00
  But hey, I'm not giving him money on Patreon so I guess my
• 5:01:03
  opinion just doesn't matter, does it?
• 5:01:06
  Whose team am I playing for? Because my video was so hateful
• 5:01:09
  and mean. So I watched my video back
• 5:01:11
  shortly after posting it. I'm just going to be completely
• 5:01:16
  honest it I will, I will receive.
• 5:01:19
  Not from her audience. Not that I dislike you guys, not
• 5:01:22
  that I think you guys are awful people.
• 5:01:24
  I'll receive from our patrons. I think that's fair patrons that
• 5:01:28
  are in the live chat right now that have watched my video.
• 5:01:31
  Just be honest. Was my video mean and hateful?
• 5:01:34
  Morgan was my video mean and hateful and I I'll I'll hear
• 5:01:39
  what you guys have to say. I watched it back and I
• 5:01:42
  genuinely do not believe that it was he even went on default
• 5:01:46
  Mickey for internalising some of the things he said, which I
• 5:01:51
  don't think they did. But even if they did, I wouldn't
• 5:01:55
  blame them because he made cruel personal comments, which he then
• 5:01:59
  went on to double down on in this video.
• 5:02:01
  If someone's going to internalise that and be hurt by
• 5:02:03
  it, I'm not going to blame them. It's nice out there.
• 5:02:07
  It's nice. Hi, Come, come on, you can sit
• 5:02:12
  on my knee for a bit. Go and get this.
• 5:02:15
  Well, it's an Angel. Hi.
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  Oh, you're so toasty. You're so toasty.
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  I think when we compare is his attitudes towards Jacqueline,
• 5:02:30
  Glen, towards Taylor and Drew, towards Jen from Fundy Fridays
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  and Mickey Atkins, we can see something incredibly revealing
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  about Paul. He can be so kind and reasonable
• 5:02:44
  to people like Jacqueline and Taylor and Drew, but he won't be
• 5:02:48
  to people like Mickey and Jen. And let's be honest, Jacqueline
• 5:02:51
  has been far harsher to Paul and Morgan than any of the other
• 5:02:54
  people. So it's not about how they're
• 5:02:56
  being treated, it's about how Paul views these people.
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  I think his behaviour shows us a hell of a lot about his own
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  prejudices and biases. And Jacqueline is a thin
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  straight woman doing the whole traditional married with kids
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  thing and he was kind to her. Taylor and Drew are thin and
• 5:03:16
  straight passing and he was kind to them.
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  Mickey is not thin. Mickey is openly queer and
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  unapologetic about it and just look how he treated her.
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  It's very clear to me that his actions towards her and his
• 5:03:30
  treatment of her were based on his bigoted judgments, and I'm
• 5:03:33
  not here for it. But he can't just go around
• 5:03:37
  treating thin straight people better than larger queer people
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  because he feels like it. Like that's not how the world.
• 5:03:46
  Well, maybe it is how the world works, but it's not how the
• 5:03:48
  world should work. I've seen it from him in other
• 5:03:50
  areas too. Like, but to A to a less serious
• 5:03:53
  extent. OK, I've seen it from him in
• 5:03:56
  other areas too, but to a less serious extent.
• 5:03:59
  Like he's he's spoken about me not by name, but like he's he's
• 5:04:04
  spoken of me a few times. And every time he does, he
• 5:04:07
  refers to me as a girl. I'm just some girl, this girl,
• 5:04:10
  this little girl. I'm like, it's infantilizing.
• 5:04:13
  And I think it's because he sees that I'm like, an unmarried
• 5:04:16
  woman. And he just thinks like, oh,
• 5:04:18
  let's do OK, Be OK. He just thinks like, oh, let's
• 5:04:22
  infantilize her and put her down and, like, talk down to her, You
• 5:04:25
  know, Doesn't matter that I'm older than his wife.
• 5:04:29
  I'm still just some little girl to him, you know?
• 5:04:31
  And I mean, that's not as serious as his fat phobia and
• 5:04:34
  his homophobia and transphobia and everything.
• 5:04:38
  But yeah, I just find it interesting.
• 5:04:41
  I think we also need to bring his racism into this because
• 5:04:43
  Paul has been openly racist quite a few times and I don't
• 5:04:47
  know if you've noticed, but he's never made a respectful response
• 5:04:51
  to any person of colour at all. He tends to a voice.
• 5:04:57
  I think the only person I've seen him talk about who is black
• 5:05:01
  is Jesse Lee Peterson. And obviously Jesse Lee Peterson
• 5:05:04
  is insane and his views deserve criticising, which is absolutely
• 5:05:08
  fine. But there were some moments
• 5:05:10
  where it felt like Paul was like mocking his accent and his voice
• 5:05:13
  and I was like, that feels a little bit racist, you know?
• 5:05:17
  So I think this is a pattern from him and I just want to
• 5:05:21
  point it out. I did OK my little book, how you
• 5:05:26
  doing? I've got a lot of big feelings
• 5:05:28
  today. Now let's talk about their pop
• 5:05:30
  culture live streams because Speaking of biases and bigotry,
• 5:05:33
  they seem to get harsher than ever in their live streams,
• 5:05:36
  especially when it came to talking about LGBTQ plus issues.
• 5:05:40
  They also pushed being anti choice more than ever as well.
• 5:05:44
  It's interesting because they spoke at this time a lot about,
• 5:05:46
  you know, learning to speak with love more and be less harsh.
• 5:05:50
  But if anything, they got more harsh and more judge mental in
• 5:05:53
  this period. It's crazy.
• 5:05:55
  Let's take a look at a section of Let's take a look at a
• 5:05:58
  selection of clips from a range of videos as examples.
• 5:06:02
  Should a Christian go to a gay wedding?
• 5:06:05
  And then the next step would be should a Christian host a gay
• 5:06:11
  wedding at their farm? The word welcome comes up
• 5:06:14
  frequently when talking to Grant.
• 5:06:16
  In recent years, she has voiced support for the LGBTQ community,
• 5:06:20
  where she has had a large fan base for decades.
• 5:06:24
  Very interesting. I didn't know that was a thing.
• 5:06:28
  I didn't either. Grant recalls her reaction when
• 5:06:31
  she learned her niece had come out.
• 5:06:34
  What a gift to our whole family to just widen the experience of
• 5:06:39
  our whole family. Yeah, I mean, obviously what she
• 5:06:45
  said sounds nice to the ears and sounds like almost like a oh,
• 5:06:52
  OK, if Amy Grant is saying this, then I'm fine to support this
• 5:06:58
  type of lifestyle. I'm good.
• 5:07:01
  But that's just not really the way it is in reality.
• 5:07:06
  Are you going to believe but then live a life that's contrary
• 5:07:09
  to what Jesus calls us to? Is it love to go ahead and say,
• 5:07:16
  wow, you know, this is my niece. She's wanting to get married to
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  this woman. I'm going to support that.
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  Is that love? No.
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  Yeah. I just think Christians need to
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  stink and wake up and read the word and stop looking at the
• 5:07:34
  world for their descriptions of what love is.
• 5:07:39
  I I've for instance, back when I was doing more modelling, there
• 5:07:42
  was a, a gay friend I had that modelled with me and I invited
• 5:07:46
  him to my high school graduation.
• 5:07:49
  I appreciated that relationship, but had he said, Paul, I want
• 5:07:55
  you to come to my marriage, you know, at my wedding, I'm
• 5:07:59
  marrying a man that would have been where I would have
• 5:08:02
  explained to him in a gentle, loving way, speaking the truth
• 5:08:06
  and love, bro, I love you. I love you as a man.
• 5:08:11
  I want what's best for you, but I'm not going to condone and
• 5:08:13
  support this. And guys, let's be real, you
• 5:08:17
  know, maybe you see this differently, but what are you
• 5:08:19
  doing when you go to a wedding? And then the pastor says if
• 5:08:23
  anyone is there anyone that has any objections to the union of
• 5:08:28
  this couple, like you're really going to sit there with your
• 5:08:31
  mouth shut? To me, it is another step.
• 5:08:34
  Say we're actually hosting it on our.
• 5:08:37
  Is it Did you say on our farm it'll be our first?
• 5:08:39
  Yeah, same sex wedding on the farm or bride on bride and
• 5:08:43
  bride. And it's like, man, that's
• 5:08:47
  getting pretty, pretty in your face.
• 5:08:49
  Just blatant. It is like, as believers in this
• 5:08:55
  time day and age that we're living in, it's like we do sadly
• 5:08:59
  have to think about the most innocent little thing like your
• 5:09:02
  daughter's painting your fingernails.
• 5:09:04
  Like maybe some people are still like, no, you don't.
• 5:09:07
  That's so stupid. That's a societal norm of social
• 5:09:10
  construct. Well, it's also the like, we see
• 5:09:14
  what where are like, you know, maybe not addressing these
• 5:09:18
  things has gotten us or letting your little boy play in dresses
• 5:09:22
  for years and now he's thinking he's a female because you didn't
• 5:09:26
  make it clear what the gender roles are.
• 5:09:28
  And so I'm sorry, but yeah, some social constructs are there for
• 5:09:33
  good reason, in my opinion. Also this idea of like, it's OK
• 5:09:38
  for men to be feminine and men are allowed to wear makeup or do
• 5:09:43
  feminine things. It's not a big deal.
• 5:09:46
  I'm sorry, but I think it is a big deal at this day and age.
• 5:09:51
  Like, I'm not saying there can't be more feminine ish men out
• 5:09:57
  there that have some more feminine characteristics or
• 5:10:00
  personality traits. You don't have to be as macho
• 5:10:03
  man that's out cutting down trees and drinking beers and has
• 5:10:07
  a giant thick moustache. Like I don't think that's
• 5:10:10
  necessary or needed. But also this push that our
• 5:10:14
  culture, that our society has put on men of it's not OK to be
• 5:10:19
  a manly man. Like it's not OK to be a manly
• 5:10:22
  man. Toxic masculinity.
• 5:10:23
  Yeah, toxic masculinity, act more like a woman, stop being a
• 5:10:27
  disgusting man, blah, blah, blah.
• 5:10:29
  And we're like literally pushing out the man and God made a man
• 5:10:35
  and a woman. And there are two very drastic
• 5:10:39
  different traits in them. And like, or there are very
• 5:10:42
  drastic different traits in each of them.
• 5:10:44
  And so like this idea of like, no, it's totally fine.
• 5:10:48
  They're allowed to do this. They're allowed to look where
• 5:10:51
  that's gotten us. I'm sorry, but we live in a
• 5:10:53
  stinking weak society and we got a bunch of weenie men out there
• 5:10:57
  that want to get rid of their weenies.
• 5:11:00
  Oh, no, Oh, no. It's just pathetic.
• 5:11:05
  Oh, she did not. She did not.
• 5:11:08
  Yeah, I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we've
• 5:11:12
  allowed or pushed that men need to be.
• 5:11:17
  This is what happens more feminine.
• 5:11:19
  When you get the bonus video from Paul and Morgan, you know
• 5:11:22
  this this big time pastor He posted, Chris Valatin posted.
• 5:11:27
  Let me see if I can read this. He posted a picture of Leah
• 5:11:31
  Thomas win winning the NCAA championship and then put a
• 5:11:34
  quote by Morgan. Can you make sure she doesn't?
• 5:11:38
  Yeah. Calm down.
• 5:11:39
  Calmer down. Calm down.
• 5:11:40
  Can you read Morgan? Are you able to see it well
• 5:11:43
  enough? This man won the women swimming
• 5:11:46
  championship. So that was what Chris Valaton
• 5:11:48
  said. You can see here Morgan Reed.
• 5:11:50
  What? Chris, However you feel.
• 5:11:53
  Well, yeah. OK.
• 5:11:54
  Chris. Yeah.
• 5:11:55
  Not Chris Valaton, the Chris from Rent.
• 5:11:57
  Yes, however you feel about the implications for sports.
• 5:12:02
  A wider conversation for sure. Calling a trans woman a man is
• 5:12:06
  hateful, unkind. Don't participate in this kind
• 5:12:09
  of speech. History won't be kind to you.
• 5:12:12
  Woo. History won't be kind to you.
• 5:12:19
  Yeah. So I thought that that was
• 5:12:21
  goofy. I I don't, I am fine with the
• 5:12:26
  posts that Chris Valatin posted. I'm sure most of you all aren't
• 5:12:30
  surprised by that. The Chris Valatin saying this is
• 5:12:33
  a man. Yeah, this man won the women's
• 5:12:35
  championship. Like I that's the case.
• 5:12:38
  That's what it is. This Leah Thomas went through
• 5:12:43
  male puberty up until he was, I don't know, like, I don't know
• 5:12:49
  when he transitioned. You can see the pictures of side
• 5:12:52
  by side. Yeah.
• 5:12:53
  And it doesn't look like that long ago.
• 5:12:56
  No, it does not look very like it's been very long.
• 5:12:59
  Like he recently made this decision to transition.
• 5:13:03
  We continue to accept this in our world as normal as right
• 5:13:09
  then, like women, biological women are going to have no place
• 5:13:15
  in this world, which is crazy to me because there are so many,
• 5:13:18
  like, intense feminists out there.
• 5:13:21
  There's kind of a picture you can see, I guess that's probably
• 5:13:25
  right before. Yeah.
• 5:13:28
  It doesn't look like that long ago.
• 5:13:30
  I mean, he's wearing a pin shirt.
• 5:13:33
  Yeah. So I don't know, I just feel
• 5:13:38
  like we do need to be speaking out against this.
• 5:13:42
  There's just so much intolerance and hate and needlessly
• 5:13:45
  misgendering people here. It's absolutely awful.
• 5:13:47
  It's interesting though, because unexpectedly, I think Morgan is
• 5:13:50
  the one who is more hateful here and more intolerant and more
• 5:13:53
  cruel. Paul at least mostly respects
• 5:13:55
  people's use of like preferred pronouns, and he'll use people's
• 5:13:59
  actual names instead of dead naming them.
• 5:14:01
  Morgan has a habit of purposely using the wrong pronouns and
• 5:14:04
  dead naming people. Elizi asked me last night.
• 5:14:07
  She was like, so Paul Morgan, which one of them is worse?
• 5:14:10
  And I was like, oh, that is a question, isn't it?
• 5:14:14
  And I gave her a long, complicated answer, which, you
• 5:14:17
  know, I think you're seeing a lot of my thoughts for in this
• 5:14:21
  video. In your case, I could hear you
• 5:14:22
  scratch, he said. Goody scratch.
• 5:14:25
  Yeah. Yeah, it is, isn't it?
• 5:14:27
  Yeah, it is. Goody screech.
• 5:14:30
  There was also a huge amount of irony when they said this about
• 5:14:33
  the transformed wife because they could have so easily have
• 5:14:35
  just been talking about themselves.
• 5:14:37
  I'll be honest, you guys like, I actually appreciate a good
• 5:14:40
  amount of what she posts. Hated and love it.
• 5:14:42
  What are you going to do, haters?
• 5:14:44
  I do. I appreciate a good amount of
• 5:14:46
  what she posts because what she stands for, I believe the world,
• 5:14:50
  in particular feminism creeping in to church.
• 5:14:55
  You know, the church culture has gotten so rampant that her voice
• 5:14:59
  is actually refreshing at times. However, I get a little
• 5:15:03
  concerned when I see posts that she makes that she comes across
• 5:15:07
  so confident of. Here's what I'm saying.
• 5:15:11
  I'm so confident. This is so black and white.
• 5:15:13
  And if you're not subscribing to this way of thinking like what
• 5:15:17
  I'm posting here, you're in sin. That's kind of how it feels.
• 5:15:20
  Or you're not following the Bible, when in reality, is that
• 5:15:24
  truly what the Bible says? Or are you?
• 5:15:26
  Maybe again, you see something that's gone that's going bad in
• 5:15:31
  the culture and even in the church.
• 5:15:32
  So you're pushing back so far that it becomes too extreme to
• 5:15:35
  one side. Morgan also made a really odd
• 5:15:38
  point here where she said there's no use fighting back
• 5:15:40
  against women voting because even though it's not biblical,
• 5:15:43
  it's legal, so why fight it? But abortion is something which
• 5:15:48
  Morgan is against because of the Bible and was legal for a long
• 5:15:51
  time. So why is she fighting that?
• 5:15:54
  There's there's just no consistency here.
• 5:15:56
  I don't. Again, she wants to support the
• 5:15:59
  things that I was going to say. She'll support the things that
• 5:16:02
  she believes in. But I mean, that's that's
• 5:16:04
  people, isn't it? Yeah.
• 5:16:07
  I don't know what I'm trying to say.
• 5:16:08
  My head hurts. There's just no consistency in
• 5:16:12
  her views is what I'm trying to say.
• 5:16:13
  Maura, I just so you are, I hear you saying or I thought I heard
• 5:16:17
  you say. She does perhaps have a biblical
• 5:16:20
  argument. There might be a biblical
• 5:16:22
  argument of women maybe not voting, not voting, but because
• 5:16:27
  women already can vote. Now she's just kind of poking a
• 5:16:31
  bear that she doesn't need to. Yes, that's what I said.
• 5:16:36
  And no, that is super interesting.
• 5:16:38
  And it doesn't even matter because we live in a day and age
• 5:16:42
  where women can vote and that's not going to be taken away.
• 5:16:45
  Morgan, I like hopefully my question is, does she vote?
• 5:16:48
  Because if she doesn't, that's super lame.
• 5:16:51
  Because she could be a vote for something better, something more
• 5:16:57
  Christ like. But if she's over here refusing
• 5:17:00
  to vote because she's a woman, I think that's ridiculous.
• 5:17:04
  It's like we have to look at where we're at right now in our
• 5:17:07
  world and it's not Bible times. And women do have a right to
• 5:17:11
  vote. And so let's teach women and
• 5:17:14
  encourage women what is biblical and what our vote can go
• 5:17:19
  towards. And I just like to remind Morgan
• 5:17:22
  that she literally only has her vote thanks to feminism.
• 5:17:25
  So unless she's ready to give that up, she should stop making
• 5:17:28
  anti feminist content and being like oh world feminism is bad.
• 5:17:33
  No, it's not. Feminism is the reason you're
• 5:17:34
  allowed to speak right now. Feminism is the reason you're
• 5:17:37
  allowed to vote. Feminism is the reason you're
• 5:17:38
  allowed to be on a YouTube channel and pick your own
• 5:17:40
  husband and you know, not be bought and sold like cattle.
• 5:17:46
  Anyway, Speaking of anti choice content, I don't think we were,
• 5:17:50
  but OK. Oh no, we were a little bit.
• 5:17:51
  We were. OK ignore me I'm all over the
• 5:17:52
  place. Let's take a look at one of
• 5:17:56
  their live streams where they responding to the anti choice
• 5:17:58
  documentary made by the Lebrand family.
• 5:18:01
  Now I actually made my own response to this documentary at
• 5:18:03
  the time and pointed out how much dangerous misinformation
• 5:18:05
  was in it. But Paul and Morgan really liked
• 5:18:07
  the documentary and decided to defend it.
• 5:18:10
  It it is genocide in my eyes. In in Paul's eyes, just like you
• 5:18:15
  are saying we you're seeing these people that are pro-choice
• 5:18:19
  being so outraged. How dare you.
• 5:18:22
  Well, I hope that these accounts that make these criticism videos
• 5:18:26
  of Colin Sav would be able to like it shouldn't surprise you
• 5:18:30
  that pro lifers would you know what I mean.
• 5:18:34
  Not be I lost my train of thought finish it would not be
• 5:18:38
  so upset, so upset at the fact that my friend of thought, babe,
• 5:18:43
  you can't do this to a pregnant woman.
• 5:18:47
  I keep like starting it and it's like at the idea of look at the
• 5:18:54
  numbers of babies in the womb foetuses babies new life apart
• 5:19:01
  from another of the mother in the womb being killed being
• 5:19:05
  murdered. So you guys shouldn't get honest
• 5:19:08
  for that. Oh, and let's not forget, at the
• 5:19:10
  time he was also being subtly racist and making weird
• 5:19:14
  statements about slavery and abortion.
• 5:19:15
  So that's fun. Ultimately, what she just said
• 5:19:18
  there was she said this is it's not a what you call an ethical
• 5:19:26
  conversation. It's she said this.
• 5:19:28
  Let's pull back. Not a moral conversation.
• 5:19:30
  This is a practical conversation about women's rights.
• 5:19:35
  Women's rights are human rights. And let's just think about that
• 5:19:38
  for a minute, that wait, you could watch that and be like,
• 5:19:42
  wow. And in these other four or five
• 5:19:44
  women panel of the View, and I think one of them is kind of a
• 5:19:49
  Republican. She didn't look like she was
• 5:19:51
  pushing back at all there. But you look at that and you're
• 5:19:54
  like, huh, That comes across as compassionate and justice and
• 5:20:02
  standing for compassion and justice and mercy.
• 5:20:05
  OK, we got to. Let's get out of our fields a
• 5:20:07
  little bit, liberals. Is that compassionate?
• 5:20:11
  She's saying it is. And I would just ask, where did
• 5:20:18
  I? She says this is a practical
• 5:20:20
  conversation about women's rights, women's rights or humans
• 5:20:22
  rights. Is it not fair to ask or to
• 5:20:26
  bring up someone saying, let's go back to slavery?
• 5:20:29
  And I know like, oh, don't, don't make comparisons.
• 5:20:32
  I'm just asking, OK, Morgan, tell me if I'm crazy.
• 5:20:36
  OK. Could we not have said that
• 5:20:38
  about slave owners? Could we not have said, yeah, as
• 5:20:42
  she said, it's a practical conversation about women's
• 5:20:44
  rights? Could we not have said, hey, no,
• 5:20:46
  slavery is actually the people that are against slavery.
• 5:20:52
  Cut that out. This is about slave owners
• 5:20:55
  rights. They have farms, They have
• 5:20:56
  plantations to take care of. And if we suddenly abolish
• 5:21:00
  slavery, think about them. Their lives are going to be
• 5:21:04
  greatly, they're going to be in in distress to keep up with the
• 5:21:10
  demands. Is that not fair?
• 5:21:13
  It's going to be a big inconvenience to their lives and
• 5:21:16
  to their life goals because there are a lot of these young
• 5:21:19
  plantation owners that have big dreams and big goals and you're
• 5:21:23
  going to strip their slaves away.
• 5:21:27
  Am I not allowed to say this stuff because I think it's
• 5:21:30
  relevant because slave owners rights are humans rights?
• 5:21:39
  Am I not allowed to say that? What do you guys think?
• 5:21:41
  I think that there's definitely overlap there.
• 5:21:44
  There. Yeah, that is very interesting.
• 5:21:47
  And I see someone in the comments.
• 5:21:49
  This is so disingenuous, Paul. Hey, I'm not being disingenuous.
• 5:21:53
  I think it's an absolutely. I'm, I'm not saying like they're
• 5:21:57
  the exact same, obviously, but I think that's a very healthy
• 5:21:59
  comparison. Why is it so ridiculous for
• 5:22:03
  someone like Anne Hathaway and all these liberals and all these
• 5:22:06
  liberal elites and celebrities? Oh, no, let the mother let this
• 5:22:10
  woman chase her career and abort her baby because of it's getting
• 5:22:14
  in the way of her dreams of becoming a fashionista.
• 5:22:17
  Why can't we take it back to slavery?
• 5:22:20
  Then I will say, yeah, sure. Like you go back to the original
• 5:22:24
  trilogy, elves were white, the dwarves were white.
• 5:22:29
  Granted they were very short. The hobbits were very short, but
• 5:22:32
  they were white. So yeah, white.
• 5:22:35
  Then you different races. I'm I'm not I don't really care
• 5:22:39
  that much. Yes, I did feel like you quickly
• 5:22:43
  see like a a black a black elf in the new rings of power
• 5:22:49
  series. And then you see like several
• 5:22:53
  interracial couples, and I'm fine with that.
• 5:22:56
  Like, you know what? Unless it feels just
• 5:22:59
  ridiculously pushed on us, I'm fine with that.
• 5:23:02
  But I feel like there is a lot of people that are just over the
• 5:23:08
  wokeness. They are over the wokeness being
• 5:23:11
  force fed to us and Netflix shows and all these new shows.
• 5:23:15
  And so they're kind of like already on edge.
• 5:23:18
  And so they go into this show and then they see, OK, well,
• 5:23:21
  there's an interracial couple from the, I don't know what the
• 5:23:24
  official name was, but they're ultimately like hobbits, fine.
• 5:23:29
  Oh, and then there's another interracial couple, fine.
• 5:23:31
  And then there's another interracial couple and it's kind
• 5:23:33
  of like, OK, it's getting a little exhausting.
• 5:23:37
  The interracial, what was it dwarf couple?
• 5:23:40
  And it's like it's it's starting to feel a little excessive.
• 5:23:46
  And I'm not saying that in in any way racist.
• 5:23:48
  It's just like, how many are you going to put?
• 5:23:52
  Like, I don't care at all. But I could see where some of
• 5:23:55
  the pushback maybe is coming from, right?
• 5:23:57
  They're obviously doing it on purpose, but personally to me, I
• 5:24:02
  went in with your expectations and I had no idea that they were
• 5:24:06
  like intentionally like trying to push this or whatever.
• 5:24:10
  Really. So you didn't even like chuckle?
• 5:24:12
  The third interracial couple that popped up, I did not think
• 5:24:16
  about it at all. I just don't care.
• 5:24:18
  I, I don't know, I just enjoyed the show.
• 5:24:21
  I didn't like to me, if anything, it just made it I
• 5:24:24
  like, I almost had to take this show less seriously because like
• 5:24:28
  how many? At some point it just gets kind
• 5:24:30
  of goofy. I think one of my biggest issues
• 5:24:32
  with their content, especially at this time, Well, I think I
• 5:24:37
  use the thing that like scares me most about it really is just
• 5:24:40
  how often they kept saying, we're saying this with love.
• 5:24:42
  We're being as kind as possible. We're saying this because we
• 5:24:45
  care while being as cruel and hateful as possible.
• 5:24:48
  It's one thing for a bigot to know they're targeting people
• 5:24:50
  and just not care about the harm they're causing.
• 5:24:53
  It's another to genuinely believe you're being a good
• 5:24:55
  person and you're helping people, all while trying to tell
• 5:24:59
  people they shouldn't exist or they don't deserve basic human
• 5:25:02
  rights just because of who they are.
• 5:25:04
  It's wild. Also, to no one's surprise at
• 5:25:07
  all, they continue to give out controversial relationship
• 5:25:10
  advice during this time and speak about their own
• 5:25:12
  relationship, which was starting to show signs of struggling
• 5:25:15
  again. Let's take a look at some clips
• 5:25:18
  from their popular Advice We Reject series.
• 5:25:21
  First. These just get progressively
• 5:25:23
  worse until they are essentially advocating for marital rape.
• 5:25:27
  So this is fun. This is a cultural one, but
• 5:25:31
  sadly, I feel like it's becoming even in the Christian world,
• 5:25:35
  which is just beyond me of the I think I think I'm Oh, oh, OK,
• 5:25:40
  that's not the one I was thinking of.
• 5:25:41
  Go ahead. Oh, try before you buy slash.
• 5:25:46
  I'll just make these one. You should live together before
• 5:25:49
  you get married. I reject that.
• 5:25:52
  We reject it. We reject it with the John Cena,
• 5:25:55
  don't we? We reject it with that, yes.
• 5:25:59
  You know, I feel like any believer with common sense,
• 5:26:03
  sorry if that's offensive, knows that that's just like
• 5:26:06
  ridiculous. This whole sexual compatibility
• 5:26:10
  that is swept over our cultural, you know, dating and stuff.
• 5:26:14
  I think it's bull. It's bull and it almost reminds
• 5:26:18
  me, well, I was gonna say go ahead.
• 5:26:20
  It's kind of like just have a lot of sex.
• 5:26:23
  It's kind of just giving a thumbs up and I'm sure they
• 5:26:26
  would justify it in different say, well, here's why.
• 5:26:29
  Sure we get it. First off, it's not biblical and
• 5:26:32
  really it can just end with that.
• 5:26:33
  Hope to see those in the comments section healthy
• 5:26:36
  discussions if you are in another camp, but we can
• 5:26:39
  discuss, but you'll never convince me that try before you
• 5:26:41
  guys a biblical thing. Some of these we're just we're
• 5:26:44
  just not we're not going to back down on it's so clear in
• 5:26:46
  Scripture. You know, I hear these 29 year
• 5:26:49
  olds, 3035 year olds dating for a year, 2 years, and it's like
• 5:26:55
  what? What are you doing?
• 5:26:56
  You should know yourself well enough and you should know this
• 5:27:00
  person well enough after a few months to be like, yes, I see
• 5:27:04
  myself marrying them. No I don't.
• 5:27:06
  So let's end this relationship and I'll keep looking as we love
• 5:27:09
  giving content for our haters. You know, we love to make a good
• 5:27:13
  video that our, you know, sex therapist can make and try and
• 5:27:20
  destroy. It's a good time.
• 5:27:23
  So, you know, you guys are welcome, say sex therapist.
• 5:27:27
  Yeah, well, there there's I reject that.
• 5:27:32
  And I I saw people advising this.
• 5:27:34
  You even brought this one up. Self discovery.
• 5:27:42
  We'll just call it self discovery.
• 5:27:44
  Pleasing yourself. The popular advice is we should
• 5:27:48
  become experts at pleasing ourself by practising on
• 5:27:52
  ourself, learning how we operate, what feels good by
• 5:27:56
  ourselves so that we can be better lovers and know what we
• 5:28:01
  like to tell our partners. Yes, and we reject that reject.
• 5:28:06
  We can cause a lot of damage in marriage if you are just
• 5:28:10
  sleeping around and then you get married and you just think that
• 5:28:14
  that's not going to affect anything.
• 5:28:17
  Yeah, so be careful. We reject the piece of advice of
• 5:28:24
  you don't owe your spouse anything when it comes to sex.
• 5:28:30
  So if you don't want to have sex, you don't have to have sex.
• 5:28:34
  And your husband can deal with that or your wife can get over
• 5:28:38
  it. But I have a feeling most of
• 5:28:40
  y'all are saying your husband can get over it.
• 5:28:42
  It's mostly aimed at the husband.
• 5:28:44
  Yeah, no doubt about it. So I think that that's
• 5:28:51
  ridiculous, Morgan, for sure. So, you know, this, like, really
• 5:28:56
  makes the worldly people the heathens.
• 5:28:59
  I'm just going to use that word. Whoa, whoa.
• 5:29:02
  Mad because they don't understand what selfless love
• 5:29:05
  is. It's not about not, it's not
• 5:29:10
  about pushing against someone's consent, it's about being
• 5:29:14
  selfless from time to time. If you are keeping sex from your
• 5:29:20
  husband for weeks on end, even days, like days and days and
• 5:29:24
  days, whatever or months or years, that's incredibly selfish
• 5:29:30
  and that's not a marriage. Like, I don't know what you're
• 5:29:32
  doing to do that to your spouse, husband too.
• 5:29:38
  Like husbands, if you're keeping sex from your wife, you are
• 5:29:41
  sinning. OK?
• 5:29:43
  You are going against the entire like image of what God has
• 5:29:49
  designed marriage to be. And this leads on nicely to
• 5:29:53
  another very similar video they made, which you may have seen
• 5:29:55
  clips from before because I think I might have discussed
• 5:29:59
  some of them in previous videos. But this video was called What
• 5:30:02
  we What We Wish we Knew about Sex.
• 5:30:04
  And the video opens with a very different account of their
• 5:30:07
  wedding night and honeymoon than we've heard before.
• 5:30:11
  First thing I knew about. I wish I had known about sex.
• 5:30:14
  Was this OK? Don't expect your sex once you
• 5:30:21
  get married to Don't expect the sexiness and the adventure.
• 5:30:30
  Some crazy awesome stuff to go from zero to 100 right out of
• 5:30:34
  the gate. Realise that is going to take
• 5:30:37
  some time. And if I had realised that
• 5:30:39
  before getting married, I wouldn't have brought out the
• 5:30:43
  whipped cream on on our honeymoon.
• 5:30:48
  It was a bad idea. It made Morgan cry.
• 5:30:55
  Yes it did. We're like 3 days into our
• 5:30:59
  marriage in Miami, FL on our honeymoon and he brings out a
• 5:31:03
  can of whipped cream and I'm like it it.
• 5:31:07
  And here's the thing, it sounds. It sounds.
• 5:31:09
  Take that however you want. You're you're shocked, you're
• 5:31:12
  appalled, you're, you're laughing.
• 5:31:15
  But in all reality, in my mind, it was I'm finally married now.
• 5:31:20
  I welcome everything in the kitchen sink into our sex life.
• 5:31:25
  Let's go wild. And Morgan's like, I'm like,
• 5:31:28
  bro, I barely know you. But I do think typically the man
• 5:31:33
  may come out more guns a blazing where the woman wants to take it
• 5:31:37
  more slowly, more emotionally getting to know each other in
• 5:31:40
  that intimate way. Yeah, we won't put y'all in a
• 5:31:42
  box, but that's just how it was for our marriage.
• 5:31:45
  Is he was guns a blazing less. Oh lady, I'm 27 years old and I
• 5:31:51
  haven't done anything. Yes, we're like, oh, our sex,
• 5:31:56
  How's our sex life doing? And I'm like, it's great.
• 5:31:58
  And Paul's like, well, it's good.
• 5:32:01
  But and I'm like, wait, what? I thought we were good.
• 5:32:04
  I thought we were on the same page.
• 5:32:06
  When you think you've communicated enough, communicate
• 5:32:09
  more. Yes.
• 5:32:10
  So that really is just huge, huge, huge you guys.
• 5:32:14
  I think Paul showed me one book that he was reading or like at
• 5:32:17
  least skimming through and I was like, oh boy, he is really nice
• 5:32:23
  in this self. I hope he doesn't expect me to
• 5:32:26
  try that move with him. In our first week he did.
• 5:32:37
  Beforehand, this is at the beginning of our marriage and it
• 5:32:39
  was like very hard for me cuz I was like, I'm not like, wait,
• 5:32:43
  what? I don't feel fully fulfilled
• 5:32:46
  right now. Yeah, no, it's good.
• 5:32:48
  And then he just walk away feeling great.
• 5:32:54
  OK, All right, go on. This is good.
• 5:32:57
  This is it's just the real deal. It's the real deal.
• 5:33:01
  This is just the real deal. Sex slash lack thereof is and
• 5:33:06
  especially was in our first couple years, very emotional.
• 5:33:10
  And so I remember I would be maybe laying over on my side of
• 5:33:14
  the bed and we had gotten an argument and it was like, OK,
• 5:33:18
  it's pretty clear that sex isn't happening when I thought it was
• 5:33:20
  going to and it was just brutal. And I don't know, I don't don't
• 5:33:25
  get the feeling that it hits you as hard because there would be
• 5:33:29
  times when I was laying there and I was just like, like, OK,
• 5:33:32
  Morgan's mad at me or we got something happened.
• 5:33:35
  We're not going to have sex. I was expecting it.
• 5:33:39
  And now I just want to like it hits you in a way that I don't
• 5:33:43
  think I'd ever experienced the feeling of being let down, of
• 5:33:46
  sad, of upset. I just want to go get in my car
• 5:33:50
  and strive. I just want to not be here.
• 5:33:55
  I'm angry. Like, literally so many
• 5:33:57
  emotions. Yeah, I it definitely, like, if
• 5:34:02
  Paul and I get into an argument and sex doesn't end up being on
• 5:34:05
  the table that night or whatever.
• 5:34:08
  In the first few years of our marriage, I knew that it hit
• 5:34:13
  Paul way harder than it hit me. Like, I would just roll over and
• 5:34:16
  be like, goodnight. So you knew.
• 5:34:18
  Like, of course I knew. So you were.
• 5:34:22
  So you were aware and you just rolled over and yeah, I wasn't
• 5:34:27
  having sex with you. I was mad at you.
• 5:34:31
  Now, I will say there are times there are going to be times in
• 5:34:33
  your marriage where you guys are mad at each other.
• 5:34:36
  You should still have sex, but sometimes you shouldn't or
• 5:34:41
  sometimes it's just impossible because you're just like, well,
• 5:34:46
  so maybe that's more of a guy thing.
• 5:34:48
  Morgan, I will say, hearing you so brazenly say you just ignored
• 5:34:54
  my emotions even though you were aware of them, there were times
• 5:34:59
  when I would be laying there just so hurt realising, OK, I
• 5:35:02
  get it, we're in a fight or whatever, it's valid.
• 5:35:05
  But man, it would mean a lot to me if you were to just kind of
• 5:35:09
  turn, roll over and like touch my arm and say like, you know, I
• 5:35:14
  know that we're upset at each other.
• 5:35:16
  You know how I get it? I get it a bit of butt head to
• 5:35:21
  me and I I could have done the same thing sometimes, but
• 5:35:24
  there's just that thing of like, I don't want to budget on this.
• 5:35:27
  I don't want to budget. But man, just for you guys
• 5:35:30
  watching, maybe married people getting ready to be married, if
• 5:35:34
  you can just humble yourself and turn over to your partner and
• 5:35:38
  scratch their back and say, hey, we may not get this worked out
• 5:35:41
  tonight, but I love you and let's go ahead and have sex.
• 5:35:44
  I would encourage go ahead and have sex even if you're upset at
• 5:35:47
  each other because I think anytime, every time can't do it.
• 5:35:50
  I think anytime we did it, was it it blessed both of us.
• 5:35:55
  I think a lot of these clips are perfect examples of how the
• 5:35:57
  Internet is like a third person in their relationship.
• 5:36:00
  And that's what I've been saying this whole video, right?
• 5:36:02
  They're saying things to each other on camera, often on live
• 5:36:05
  streams in front of an audience of 10s of thousands of people.
• 5:36:08
  Sometimes hundreds of thousands of people watch these videos and
• 5:36:11
  they say these things in front of this many people that they've
• 5:36:14
  not said to each other before in private.
• 5:36:16
  It's almost like they use their YouTube videos as therapy or
• 5:36:19
  counselling, but without a professional there to guide them
• 5:36:21
  in a safe or healthy way. And it's concerning.
• 5:36:25
  And I do worry about them and wonder what their relationship
• 5:36:28
  would be like without the Internet.
• 5:36:30
  The last video I want to touch on in this era before we move on
• 5:36:33
  was this video in which they played a drinking game with
• 5:36:35
  grape juice, of course, not wine.
• 5:36:38
  What are they, heathens? OK, he's grumbling in the
• 5:36:43
  background. And anyway, they played a game
• 5:36:45
  called agree to disagree, which once again highlighted both
• 5:36:47
  their hypocrisy and relationships prop and
• 5:36:50
  relationship problems, which probably shouldn't be online.
• 5:36:53
  This video was just a lot like, watch the very first opening
• 5:36:57
  question in which Paul immediately just invalidates
• 5:37:00
  Morgan's feelings, feelings which we've been hearing here
• 5:37:03
  expressed the last five years. And he just dismisses them as
• 5:37:07
  like, oh, well, you know, I know you've been saying this for five
• 5:37:09
  years now, but it's probably just your hormones love.
• 5:37:15
  Crazy annoyed me to see being a YouTube is the best job.
• 5:37:23
  Oh, no, this isn't fair. Because listen, you just got go
• 5:37:30
  where you go and then we'll discuss.
• 5:37:32
  All right, OK, let's see, being a YouTube is the best job.
• 5:37:37
  Three cheers 321 go. So all right, we have to state
• 5:37:47
  our reason. Morgan, I'm not trying to do
• 5:37:50
  TMI, but you did just come off of your period and when you are
• 5:37:54
  on your period, you tend to, is it fair to say, see maybe the
• 5:38:00
  negatives more clearly? Is that fair to say?
• 5:38:05
  Then there's just a lot of like too much information and
• 5:38:07
  oversharing. It's not easy, you guys.
• 5:38:09
  I'm not saying we're not saying it's easy to have sex when
• 5:38:12
  you're mad at each other. It's not.
• 5:38:14
  There's a lot of like humility that has to come out and you got
• 5:38:18
  to like fight the enemy because it's the enemy's going to like
• 5:38:21
  nail the IT wasn't super easy this morning.
• 5:38:25
  No, it was that, but we did it, and it was the right thing and
• 5:38:31
  it was the right thing. TMI for TMI.
• 5:38:35
  We're here. We have both cried in the past
• 5:38:37
  24 hours. Did I cry?
• 5:38:40
  Yeah. You did.
• 5:38:41
  OK. Oh, I did.
• 5:38:44
  I did cry. I did cry.
• 5:38:46
  And men can cry. Seriously, men can cry.
• 5:38:49
  And then this next one is just again, a lot and a little
• 5:38:53
  hypocritical. I want you to 1st cast your mind
• 5:38:56
  back to all the clips we've seen so far from Paul and Morgan's
• 5:38:59
  first and subsequent years of marriage where they keep saying
• 5:39:02
  divorce is never ever ever an option even if you're being
• 5:39:05
  abused unless someone has cheated on you.
• 5:39:07
  And then watch this. What this one says.
• 5:39:15
  I've thought slash considered divorce.
• 5:39:24
  All right, let me think through this.
• 5:39:27
  Hold on. All
• 5:39:38
  right, All right, 321. OK, but OK, it's thought you
• 5:39:56
  said. Thought you said thought you
• 5:39:59
  said. Thought.
• 5:40:02
  All right, Time for some explanation.
• 5:40:05
  Time for some explaining. Time for some explaining.
• 5:40:11
  Hey, time for some explaining. All right.
• 5:40:14
  Hey, come here. Come here.
• 5:40:17
  Come here. Oh, she's crying.
• 5:40:22
  All right, I did not expect that we had to pick the heaviest one
• 5:40:27
  to be too off on. I thought you would at least do
• 5:40:31
  this one. So our first couple years of
• 5:40:36
  marriages we have shared with you guys of marriage, go watch
• 5:40:44
  some of our older videos. Go watch, go watch what marriage
• 5:40:49
  is really like that one. Type it in, watch it.
• 5:40:53
  We were really working through some heavy things.
• 5:41:00
  And so like, I'm not going to lie and be like, Oh no,
• 5:41:05
  absolutely not. That's a beautiful thing about a
• 5:41:10
  Christian marriage is, you know, outside of sexual immorality, as
• 5:41:14
  Jesus says, there's not a lot of wiggle room there.
• 5:41:18
  And it's one of those things that you choose, I'm going to
• 5:41:22
  choose to love this person. This person is going to choose
• 5:41:25
  to love me. We are committed.
• 5:41:27
  And so that brings security. But again, early in the marriage
• 5:41:33
  when things are really tough, sometimes you have to.
• 5:41:38
  Sometimes thoughts do come in your head and you have to say,
• 5:41:42
  like Satan, I review you. I've thought about like, I'm
• 5:41:53
  going to go stay at my parents for a few days, but like never
• 5:41:56
  divorced. That's so you know, what's funny
• 5:41:58
  here is you, you packed up to go stay at your parents in our
• 5:42:04
  first year of marriage at one point.
• 5:42:05
  And you never you never did, right?
• 5:42:07
  I didn't go, but you actually packed your you literally packed
• 5:42:09
  your suitcase. I've never done that.
• 5:42:12
  So who's really more in the the fact that this whole time he's
• 5:42:18
  been like, no, never divorce, never, it's not allowed,
• 5:42:21
  although I have been considering it.
• 5:42:24
  Why am I even surprised at this point?
• 5:42:28
  The hypocrisy is just typical for them, isn't it really?
• 5:42:32
  And other than that, again, it feels really hard to watch.
• 5:42:35
  And then Morgan starts crying and it feels like we shouldn't
• 5:42:38
  be watching something so emotional and personal.
• 5:42:41
  It just again, talk to your therapist about this.
• 5:42:44
  Don't put it on YouTube. I also find it interesting how
• 5:42:47
  other than in the first year where we saw Paul get a little
• 5:42:50
  bit emotional on camera, ever since then, all the emotionally
• 5:42:54
  vulnerable moments that we see are from Morgan.
• 5:42:57
  Morgan's suffering, Morgan crying and Paul's like, hey,
• 5:43:00
  let's, let's make sure we get this on camera, but we never see
• 5:43:02
  his moments of that anymore. Remember that because it's
• 5:43:06
  something you'll see more of going forward.
• 5:43:09
  Right, Let's talk very quickly about Morgan's post baby vlogs.
• 5:43:12
  This next section is just a very quick one, but I just wanted to
• 5:43:14
  mention how during this time, Morgan was still vlogging until
• 5:43:17
  about a year after she gave birth.
• 5:43:19
  Some of these were just generic. Hey, look, I have a cute baby
• 5:43:23
  vlogs, which is a child free woman who has no interest in
• 5:43:26
  kids. I just come down quite boring.
• 5:43:29
  I wasn't interested in them at all.
• 5:43:30
  They weren't really problematic outside of just the general hey,
• 5:43:34
  maybe don't post your kids online without consent thing.
• 5:43:37
  But on the whole, I was like, OK.
• 5:43:40
  However, there were a couple of videos during this time of
• 5:43:42
  Morgan really struggling. And again, this is where you do
• 5:43:45
  really feel sorry for her and you want to help her.
• 5:43:48
  And it's so conflicting when you you see a woman in emotional
• 5:43:52
  pain and you feel so bad for her and you want to help her.
• 5:43:54
  But at the same time, this is the same woman saying that gay
• 5:43:57
  people shouldn't be allowed to get married and who has just
• 5:44:01
  been like, you know, the night before misgendering trans people
• 5:44:04
  on a live stream and screaming about it.
• 5:44:06
  And it's just so conflicting to remember they're the same
• 5:44:09
  person. Jarring.
• 5:44:14
  I don't really know what I'm going to say right now but just
• 5:44:22
  felt like we needed a good little unedited chitchat.
• 5:44:29
  Mother to all the peeps out there, my life is very beautiful
• 5:44:41
  but we live in a fallen world and life is just weird
• 5:44:50
  sometimes. And motherhood, man, that will
• 5:45:02
  beat you up. Yeah, it'll just beat me up,
• 5:45:10
  won't it? I'm like, I shared this on my
• 5:45:18
  Instagram recently, but motherhood is just constantly
• 5:45:24
  being being made aware of how selfish and self centred and
• 5:45:36
  full of yourself you are and how like you can't be that anymore.
• 5:45:43
  As a mom I feel very lonely. I have friends but there's
• 5:45:55
  something about motherhood that I haven't quite figured out that
• 5:45:59
  just makes you feel very lonely. It's been an interesting to see
• 5:46:04
  it to you guys. I felt very inadequate, like to
• 5:46:13
  the point that it has really, really messed with me mentally.
• 5:46:19
  Like I have just continuously felt like I'm not a good mom,
• 5:46:24
  I've got wives, I'm not a good friend, I'm not a good daughter,
• 5:46:27
  I'm not a good person online. I'm just bad all around in every
• 5:46:36
  area of my life. Just bad, bad, bad.
• 5:46:38
  That's what I've been feeling for like a while.
• 5:46:41
  And I don't think we need to say much more.
• 5:46:43
  Oh, actually, no. There is one more thing that I'm
• 5:46:44
  going to throw in here, which wasn't in my original script,
• 5:46:46
  but I've remembered it and it feels I need to talk about it.
• 5:46:52
  They got rid of their dog when their baby was born.
• 5:46:56
  They got rid of their dog because I guess they were like
• 5:46:58
  oh we've got our baby now, don't need a dog anymore.
• 5:47:02
  They said they couldn't look after it properly.
• 5:47:04
  They said like they just didn't have time.
• 5:47:05
  And I mean on the one hand you feel for them because I think
• 5:47:08
  it's a sign of like how much they were struggling at the
• 5:47:11
  time. However, I just find it really
• 5:47:14
  hard to not harshly judge people who just get rid of their pets
• 5:47:18
  when they have a baby. It's a pet peeve of mine I guess
• 5:47:23
  you could say. It just bothers me a bit.
• 5:47:25
  Anyway, felt like I should throw that in a mention that that's
• 5:47:27
  what also happened during this time period, right?
• 5:47:31
  A big one. Now let's talk shiny Happy
• 5:47:33
  people. On the 2nd of June 2023, Amazon
• 5:47:37
  Prime released the documentary Shiny Happy People.
• 5:47:40
  Duggar Family Secrets which was about the Duggar family, IBLP
• 5:47:43
  and Fundy content creators in general.
• 5:47:45
  To a lesser extent. Paul and Morgan had a small
• 5:47:49
  feature in this documentary but they didn't realise it would be
• 5:47:52
  in a critical way and they were not very happy with the way they
• 5:47:55
  were portrayed. And so on the 5th of June 2023,
• 5:47:58
  they live streamed our inside story.
• 5:48:02
  Being in the Shiny Happy People dug a documentary.
• 5:48:05
  Let's take a look at some clips. We do believe that there has
• 5:48:08
  been serious wrongdoings in the IBLP.
• 5:48:11
  We believe that they deserve to be brought to light.
• 5:48:15
  We believe people need to be held accountable for taking
• 5:48:19
  God's word and twisting it. Twisting it for their own power
• 5:48:22
  and their own gain. We believe that this docu series
• 5:48:27
  and many alike all have a purpose, which is to reveal the
• 5:48:31
  wrongdoings of these churches, these people, et cetera.
• 5:48:35
  Which is not a bad purpose. But here's where I feel like
• 5:48:39
  they all completely fail because they are made by people who are
• 5:48:44
  not Christians, who maybe even have a vendetta against
• 5:48:47
  Christianity. Every single one of these docu
• 5:48:50
  series has some major problems. One being they almost never
• 5:48:54
  interview people who are still firmly walking in faith with the
• 5:48:58
  Lord. Or if they do interview those
• 5:49:00
  people, like they interviewed us, they do not allow them to
• 5:49:04
  share that faith or where they're at now, they don't allow
• 5:49:10
  the gospel to be shared. And two being the other problem
• 5:49:14
  is they don't allow the gospel to be shared.
• 5:49:17
  These docu series, this one specifically, made it very clear
• 5:49:21
  that not only people within the IBLP, the Institute of Basic
• 5:49:25
  Life Principles, but Christianity as a whole thing is
• 5:49:29
  wrong and the only true option is deconstruction.
• 5:49:35
  So the main issue seems to be with atheists and people who
• 5:49:38
  have deconstructed from religion weighing in on harmful religious
• 5:49:41
  practises and cults, which seems crazy to me.
• 5:49:44
  They were mostly mad that they didn't get a chance to preach
• 5:49:46
  the gospel to people while discussing the abuse of many
• 5:49:50
  women and children. I'll allow you to make up your
• 5:49:54
  mind as to whether they had a point or not.
• 5:49:57
  I want to just piggyback real quick and saying guys, if you're
• 5:50:00
  watching these type of documentaries thinking Oh my
• 5:50:04
  goodness, I'm getting factual truth, non bias, blah, blah,
• 5:50:08
  blah. These people are in it to make
• 5:50:11
  entertaining content first and foremost.
• 5:50:13
  They're in it to get watchers and make money.
• 5:50:19
  They know what sells. We have experienced first hand,
• 5:50:23
  and I don't say this lightly, but we've experienced first
• 5:50:25
  hand, that integrity wasn't a leading goal for the production
• 5:50:32
  team behind this documentary. Paul's comments, they just
• 5:50:34
  didn't quite sit right with me though.
• 5:50:36
  On the one hand, I think it is important to be critical of
• 5:50:39
  documentaries in general because yes, many of them will have
• 5:50:42
  agendas and biases and many times, yeah, they do twist
• 5:50:46
  things slightly to make sure it has an entertaining narrative
• 5:50:48
  structure. We we can't deny that.
• 5:50:50
  And I think we do have to be conscious of the media we're
• 5:50:53
  consuming and understand how and why it's made.
• 5:50:56
  That is absolutely true, however, whilst being careful,
• 5:51:00
  we still have to acknowledge that this particular documentary
• 5:51:03
  featured interviews with real people sharing their real
• 5:51:06
  experiences are facing numerous kinds of abuse in the IBLP.
• 5:51:11
  To completely dismiss that and say the documentary makers were
• 5:51:15
  twisting everything because they're biassed against religion
• 5:51:17
  and want money is incredibly disrespectful to the people, to
• 5:51:22
  the survivors who were sharing their stories, and it completely
• 5:51:26
  undermines their experiences and the importance of sharing them
• 5:51:29
  on such a large platform. Morgan went on to say that she
• 5:51:33
  didn't even know what the IBLP was until they were asked to be
• 5:51:36
  in this documentary. Which is interesting.
• 5:51:39
  Why did you agree to it? I crazy I didn't even know what
• 5:51:44
  the IBLP was Institute of Basic Life Principles until they
• 5:51:48
  reached out to us. Institute in Basic Life
• 5:51:51
  Principles. See, there we have it.
• 5:51:54
  I didn't even know what that was until they reached out and I had
• 5:51:57
  to like Google it. And I knew that the Duggars had
• 5:51:59
  a lot of kids, but I didn't realise they were like a part of
• 5:52:02
  a thing. And they're like, no, no, no,
• 5:52:04
  you're going to be speaking about like what it is to be a
• 5:52:06
  Christian influencer. Well, I was really well and I,
• 5:52:09
  I've grown up like we, we touched the surface.
• 5:52:12
  My, my family touched the surface of it, like, But there
• 5:52:16
  was just very, very little. Yeah.
• 5:52:18
  And there were things like even talking to my parents before
• 5:52:20
  going on the show, they were like, oh, well, this was too
• 5:52:22
  extreme and this was too extreme, so forth.
• 5:52:25
  But I mean, there was a little. There was a little.
• 5:52:27
  She's basically saying it's the producer's fault that I agreed
• 5:52:29
  to speak about something which I was ignorant about.
• 5:52:32
  And they're the ones who made us look bad, not our own actions,
• 5:52:35
  which I completely disagree with.
• 5:52:36
  It would be like if I got asked to do a documentary about
• 5:52:39
  football and then I go on and I just say stupid things about
• 5:52:43
  football and then like I get portrayed as like a dumb non
• 5:52:46
  football fan in the documentary about why football is great.
• 5:52:52
  Like that would be my own fault for agreeing to it.
• 5:52:56
  This is they interviewed us for 4 1/2 hours non-stop non-stop
• 5:53:00
  just just all these and and we were getting deep.
• 5:53:03
  They were asking us some questions that were like, oof to
• 5:53:06
  us. The most scary thing, if you
• 5:53:09
  will, was simply like, we're about to go there.
• 5:53:12
  We're talking about heavy cultural topics and we're we're
• 5:53:17
  sharing what we believe the Bible says.
• 5:53:18
  We're not holding back. And so in our minds, the
• 5:53:21
  documentary is going to come out.
• 5:53:22
  We're representing Christian influencers.
• 5:53:24
  We're talking about the Christian faith.
• 5:53:26
  And you know, given our perspective on on the IBLP and
• 5:53:29
  the and how like Christianity and IBLP are different and like,
• 5:53:34
  yeah, well, if there, you know, if there is some overlap, but
• 5:53:37
  yeah, the differences given our perspective on the Duggars and
• 5:53:43
  so forth. It was just some really good
• 5:53:46
  conversation. And they even told us that they
• 5:53:48
  were like, yeah, one of the producers came up to me
• 5:53:51
  afterwards and she was like, I just want to let you know, like
• 5:53:54
  you guys did such a solid jobs like explaining your faith and
• 5:53:58
  what you stand on. Like you should be very proud of
• 5:54:00
  yourself. This is going to look like come
• 5:54:01
  across great in the docu series for four hours of non-stop
• 5:54:05
  interviewing deep anyway about their experience as a whole.
• 5:54:08
  I've spoken to friends who work in film about this and this is
• 5:54:11
  all very normal for documentary making.
• 5:54:14
  They'll often interview a lot of people for long periods of time,
• 5:54:16
  but they don't have time to include every single part of
• 5:54:19
  every single interview in a documentary.
• 5:54:21
  Sometimes whole interviews are cut.
• 5:54:23
  Sometimes they just need one person to speak on a topic.
• 5:54:26
  And so even though they've interviewed five others, they'll
• 5:54:28
  be like, OK, well, this is the best 1, so we'll use this one
• 5:54:31
  and not these ones. Or, or sometimes they do an
• 5:54:34
  interview with someone and it's just boring and it, or it
• 5:54:36
  doesn't fit with the narrative of what they're going.
• 5:54:38
  Or like they, there's lots of reasons why things get cut.
• 5:54:41
  It's completely normal. That's just how documentaries
• 5:54:45
  are made. How, how are they going to, to
• 5:54:48
  bring us in to balance out the extremism?
• 5:54:52
  Like it just felt like, man, they are just like going after
• 5:54:56
  this and where, where are we going to fit?
• 5:54:59
  And then suddenly we realise where we're going to fit.
• 5:55:04
  Ultimately we're going to fit as a hit piece of literally being
• 5:55:08
  lumped in with the IBLP, with extremism, with cultism.
• 5:55:14
  And here's a funny thing, probably two months leading up
• 5:55:19
  to the doc, to being asked to be in the documentary, something, I
• 5:55:23
  don't know, three months, two months, whatever.
• 5:55:25
  We had made a video and people that are fans of the channel
• 5:55:28
  probably saw it when the Josh Duggar awful stuff broke.
• 5:55:34
  We made a video condemning Josh, condemning that situation,
• 5:55:37
  calling out the evils of it. And then what do you know, Like
• 5:55:41
  what happens? They put a smack dab in the
• 5:55:45
  middle of the episode where Josh Duggar exposed for all this evil
• 5:55:50
  and suddenly we were dropped in the middle.
• 5:55:53
  Here's segment on a little where they're where they're saying and
• 5:55:57
  here the IBLP and the older people passing it down.
• 5:56:01
  Now here is the younger generation that is continued.
• 5:56:04
  They literally called it the continue what it continuing.
• 5:56:07
  This is the continuation of that extremism of that the cult.
• 5:56:12
  Same book, new cover. Same book, new cover.
• 5:56:16
  That here's the new younger generation that is continuing.
• 5:56:21
  Yeah. They made no differentiation.
• 5:56:26
  Is that a word between IBLP and just Christians who are not a
• 5:56:32
  part of that, who are just living life by the word of God?
• 5:56:36
  I can see their frustrations here a little because, yeah, who
• 5:56:39
  would want to be lumped in with the IBLPI?
• 5:56:41
  Get that? And they are different.
• 5:56:43
  You know, Paul and Morgan are arguably not part of a cult.
• 5:56:48
  They're not part of a religion which regularly abuses children
• 5:56:51
  to the extent the IBLP did. However, from what I remember,
• 5:56:56
  the documentary wasn't saying that Paul and Morgan are part of
• 5:57:00
  the IBLP. The documentary was simply
• 5:57:03
  showing the documentary was saying like hey but Fundy still
• 5:57:06
  exists. He is 1 iteration of them in
• 5:57:09
  these like modern day Fundy content creators.
• 5:57:13
  He is an example of it in Paul and Morgan and and Paul and
• 5:57:17
  Morgan. They can't deny they do push a
• 5:57:19
  lot of the same values that the IBLP and other cult like
• 5:57:23
  religions did. You know, they're anti vax,
• 5:57:26
  they're anti a lot of healthcare, they're pro home
• 5:57:28
  schooling, they're homophobic and transphobic, they're pro
• 5:57:31
  modesty, they're pro purity culture.
• 5:57:34
  No, they're not as extreme as the Duggars and the IBLP and so
• 5:57:37
  on, but they do share a lot of similar values and teachings,
• 5:57:40
  just in a more modern way. So I can understand why the
• 5:57:43
  documentary wanted to feature them.
• 5:57:45
  You'll keep seeing Paul and Morgan do not want to be
• 5:57:47
  labelled as fundies despite all their values and beliefs being
• 5:57:52
  fundy beliefs. It just, it's very odd.
• 5:57:54
  I don't know. I don't know why they're so
• 5:57:56
  against the word fundy. And that's, that's basically it.
• 5:58:00
  They basically say we will lie too, because we were told we're
• 5:58:02
  going to represent the good Christians, the real Christians,
• 5:58:05
  the less extreme Christians. But then in that interview, they
• 5:58:07
  shared all their extreme and harmful views.
• 5:58:10
  So they couldn't be presented in that way.
• 5:58:12
  Instead, they were just presented as they are, and now
• 5:58:14
  they're mad about it. It comes down to the fact that
• 5:58:19
  they weren't misrepresented. It's just that Paul and Morgan
• 5:58:22
  see themselves very differently to how the rest of the world
• 5:58:24
  sees them and that they can't seem to get their head around
• 5:58:28
  the fact that they cause harm to people.
• 5:58:30
  They just don't want to admit that, and that's what I think
• 5:58:33
  this was. Anyway, let's move on.
• 5:58:36
  OK, let's move on to something more light hearted because I
• 5:58:40
  think we need it at this point. Let's remember that Paul and
• 5:58:43
  Morgan have had many side hustles in their time.
• 5:58:46
  They've tried to sell weight loss courses to be marriage
• 5:58:48
  counsellors, they've tried writing children's books and so
• 5:58:51
  on. Paul decided to add a new on to
• 5:58:53
  that list. He was going to become a
• 5:58:55
  children's entertainer. Everyone, meet polio.
• 5:59:00
  What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode
• 5:59:03
  of The Paul Leo Show. The Paul Leo Show.
• 5:59:07
  The more we read, the more we know our God.
• 5:59:10
  He loves to watch us grow. The Paul Leo Show.
• 5:59:17
  Today we are joined by the one and only Mr Cactus.
• 5:59:19
  Mr Cactus, I'm happy that you're here.
• 5:59:22
  We are happy that you're here. I'm not sure why he was wearing
• 5:59:26
  a pair of tights with his head, but here we are.
• 5:59:29
  Like all of Paul and Morgan's side hustles.
• 5:59:31
  The polio show lasted for just 4 to 5 episodes before he gave up.
• 5:59:36
  In each episode he would tell a story.
• 5:59:38
  He tried reading books until he realised that was a copyright
• 5:59:41
  issue and after that he decided to start telling Bible stories
• 5:59:45
  and do whatever this is. The.
• 6:00:29
  It's beautiful, and so even this isn't my favourite awkward video
• 6:00:32
  of Paul. There's a better one, it's
• 6:00:34
  coming up, don't worry. Honestly though, despite being a
• 6:00:37
  bit cringe, this is one of the least offensive things they've
• 6:00:40
  ever done. I mean, sure, some Bible stories
• 6:00:43
  are a little bit dark and reliable.
• 6:00:45
  I rely a little bit too much on the whole, like you're all
• 6:00:47
  terrible people and going to hell thing.
• 6:00:49
  But really, this isn't the worst thing in the world.
• 6:00:52
  A long time ago, the people were very bad.
• 6:00:59
  They were just bad. They didn't obey God.
• 6:01:01
  They turned away from God. They did bad things, they sinned
• 6:01:06
  and it made God very sad, very sad.
• 6:01:10
  But here's where it gets good. There was one man in his family
• 6:01:16
  who actually loved God and actually obeyed God and talked
• 6:01:22
  with God. That one man, his name was, who
• 6:01:26
  knows it? What's his name?
• 6:01:30
  That's right, Noah. So picture this.
• 6:01:34
  Here's how I like to think of Noah.
• 6:01:36
  Think of a grandpa, maybe your grandpa, but he's got a big
• 6:01:41
  white beard. I don't know.
• 6:01:43
  Do you guys, do you have any grandparents with grandparents?
• 6:01:47
  Probably not your grandma. Do you have any grandpas with
• 6:01:50
  beards? Do you know anybody with beards?
• 6:01:53
  Well, I like to think Noah has a big white beard and he's just
• 6:01:56
  got a big smile on his face. I think my one major critique of
• 6:02:00
  this era is that generally people who make children's
• 6:02:04
  entertainment, so TV, books, films that are meant for
• 6:02:07
  learning and education, they're generally studied and understand
• 6:02:10
  child development and know how kids learn best and how to
• 6:02:13
  appeal to them and how to teach them effectively.
• 6:02:16
  Paul does not know this stuff. So instead of actually being
• 6:02:19
  entertaining or educational for kids, it's just him acting
• 6:02:22
  awkwardly like a child himself. I don't know what kids would
• 6:02:27
  actually get out of any of this. This is some good looking
• 6:02:30
  carrot. How would I describe a carrot?
• 6:02:36
  Well outside of it being a beautiful orange colour carrots
• 6:02:42
  taste. I forgot I forgot to wear my
• 6:02:45
  bib. I could have spelled stuff all
• 6:02:48
  over my pyjamas. Good thing I remembered before I
• 6:02:53
  spelled orange on my pyjamas. All right.
• 6:02:56
  Where were we? Yeah, I mean, it would be
• 6:03:00
  orange. Carrots taste.
• 6:03:04
  They're sweet. They have a nice sweet taste.
• 6:03:06
  Let me see. I mean, that crunch.
• 6:03:10
  That crunch is great. Listen to this.
• 6:03:18
  Sometimes it's fun to dip carrots into ranch dressing
• 6:03:26
  hummus. I looked over at my wife,
• 6:03:28
  Morgan, to see what else? Anything else?
• 6:03:30
  Morgan, I got nothing. OK, that's it.
• 6:03:32
  Apparently just ranch dressing in hummus and maybe blue cheese,
• 6:03:37
  But I'm just eating this one plain.
• 6:03:40
  Sometimes we eat baby carrots, but lately we've been buying the
• 6:03:44
  bigger ones. But get back up here.
• 6:03:50
  Napkin All right, they also featured baby Luca in these
• 6:03:55
  videos the fair amount, which again I have like a slight
• 6:03:58
  problem with because kids on camera let's not but anyway,
• 6:04:02
  yeah that that was the polio show.
• 6:04:08
  I still keep wanting to say polio I I love it, It's
• 6:04:14
  fantastic. I don't know why they stopped
• 6:04:16
  making it. Perhaps it was too much effort.
• 6:04:18
  Maybe Paul realised he wasn't good at it.
• 6:04:20
  Maybe people making fun of his dancing too much.
• 6:04:23
  Maybe he just kept snagging his tights as he put them on his
• 6:04:27
  head and that was getting too expensive.
• 6:04:30
  Who's to say? OK, our next year is Paul and
• 6:04:33
  Morgan meet the public. After live streaming for a while
• 6:04:37
  and the shiny happy people backlash, Paul and Morgan's
• 6:04:39
  views began to drop drastically again.
• 6:04:41
  So they decided to pivot their content once more.
• 6:04:44
  I'm still laughing at polio. Sorry, it's the dancing.
• 6:04:48
  I love the dancing. Sometimes Paul's dancing haunts
• 6:04:52
  me in my nightmares. Sorry.
• 6:04:57
  Anyway. Oh, I can't be serious.
• 6:04:59
  Be serious. Oh God, I haven't laughed in a
• 6:05:03
  while. It's nice, right?
• 6:05:06
  The new content. This time they tried something
• 6:05:09
  completely new and decided to try one of my least favourite
• 6:05:11
  types of content ever. Harassing people on the street.
• 6:05:14
  Sorry, no St interviews, That's what they're called.
• 6:05:18
  You know, they go to a public space, they stick a camera in a
• 6:05:21
  stranger's face and ask them provocative questions.
• 6:05:24
  The videos in this era included things like asking strangers if
• 6:05:27
  they date someone with different religious beliefs, asking
• 6:05:30
  strangers thoughts on sex before marriage and should marry.
• 6:05:33
  People have close opposite sex friendships.
• 6:05:36
  However, it turns out that the average person is far more
• 6:05:39
  reasonable than Paul and Morgan. So the answers that were super
• 6:05:43
  wild and crazy and shocking to these two are actually just
• 6:05:46
  basic common sense for a lot of people.
• 6:05:49
  So while they were like, Oh my God, Can you believe these
• 6:05:51
  people are saying that? Most of the viewers were like,
• 6:05:54
  yeah, that's a pretty reasonable take.
• 6:05:56
  Actually. I feel the same.
• 6:05:58
  So overall, the videos are pretty boring and no one watched
• 6:06:01
  them. Their best performing video in
• 6:06:03
  this series had just 17,000 views, which is nothing for a
• 6:06:07
  channel their size that have been going for seven years.
• 6:06:09
  You know, should we like to ask people is, do you consider
• 6:06:13
  yourselves Christians? Yes, yes, OK, very nice.
• 6:06:17
  So our hot topic question of the day, do you feel like women
• 6:06:21
  should dress modestly? I would say that it's not a good
• 6:06:25
  thing for like for a man to be in that setting and in the
• 6:06:29
  setting of temptation, you know, we're talking about, you know,
• 6:06:33
  from my perspective, but also men have choice of where to look
• 6:06:38
  and what to see and but also it would not be respectful ladies,
• 6:06:42
  I guess towards those men. You say it does go both ways.
• 6:06:46
  There's perhaps some onus on both.
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  Yes. I mean, as a Christian, I think
• 6:06:50
  all women should. I don't think non Christians.
• 6:06:54
  I don't think that we should expect non Christians to think.
• 6:06:58
  I used to be like, no, never wear a bikini.
• 6:07:02
  I think there are some oddest bikinis out there though.
• 6:07:07
  I think if your boobs and your butt are covered then you're
• 6:07:11
  probably OK. But there's a fine line between
• 6:07:14
  being like watching out for your friends and like checking
• 6:07:17
  someone's heart and being judgmental.
• 6:07:18
  Like, I don't ever want to be a judgmental Christian, you know?
• 6:07:21
  See, it's, it's all fine. This is all completely normal.
• 6:07:25
  I have no issues with any of this stuff.
• 6:07:27
  So I think they realise that without controversy, they're
• 6:07:29
  just not that interesting and people won't watch them.
• 6:07:33
  Now let's move on to the baby #2 era.
• 6:07:36
  So a little while after doing the talking to People on the
• 6:07:39
  Street content, Paul and Morgan returned to their regular pop
• 6:07:42
  culture live streams and Morgan found out she was pregnant
• 6:07:45
  again, which was not exactly happy news.
• 6:07:48
  I know they're still trying to portray that they're excited
• 6:07:50
  about it, and I'm sure they were to some extent, but it's also
• 6:07:53
  hard not to feel for someone when you see this like genuine
• 6:07:56
  fear and sadness in them too. Oh my God, I I'm not even
• 6:08:25
  kidding you guys. I've never had a moment in my
• 6:08:29
  life where I was like awake, but I was like, I think I'm in a
• 6:08:34
  dream right now or like I am asleep and like I'm going to
• 6:08:37
  wake up any second. Like I've never had a moment
• 6:08:39
  like that. But I had that moment when I saw
• 6:08:43
  the test to say pregnant. I was just like, this is a
• 6:08:49
  dream. Like I'm about to wake up.
• 6:08:51
  Any second now I'll be wide awake.
• 6:08:54
  We only showed about 10 seconds of Morgan's reaction.
• 6:08:59
  Because to be quite honest, like there was, I wept like a baby,
• 6:09:05
  Morgan wept one. Just being real like this was
• 6:09:09
  we, we weren't expecting this. That was supposed to start right
• 6:09:56
  period like 5 days ago. The raw emotions that she had
• 6:09:58
  when she took the test. There's so much going on here.
• 6:10:01
  Yeah. I like the first thing that ran
• 6:10:03
  through my mind other than I'm asleep was just like, oh, no.
• 6:10:08
  Like, I'm going to have to deliver this baby and what if I
• 6:10:12
  almost die again? We are so excited.
• 6:10:15
  I am increasingly more and more, not even increasingly.
• 6:10:19
  This is incredible. I am pumped.
• 6:10:22
  Morgan's pumped, right, yes, but the immediate right, the
• 6:10:27
  immediate thoughts are you guys know if you watched her
• 6:10:30
  pregnancy vlog and it's to me, it's painful to watch.
• 6:10:34
  I will not be vlogging this pregnancy.
• 6:10:37
  False. And he refuses to do a birth
• 6:10:39
  vlog. There will be no birth vlog
• 6:10:41
  under any circumstances. Sorry baby number two, you don't
• 6:10:44
  get a video to watch for the rest of your life.
• 6:10:49
  I also really respected their decision to not do a birth blog
• 6:10:53
  this time. I think that was a smart choice
• 6:10:54
  and it's nice that they learned from the last time, so I do
• 6:10:57
  commend them for that. Paul, however, was really
• 6:10:59
  worried about this pregnancy interfering with their work as
• 6:11:02
  they were just about to launch their 24 Hours with series,
• 6:11:05
  which we're talking about in the next section.
• 6:11:07
  Sorry, that's a very loud vehicle cleaning the street
• 6:11:11
  outside and I hope my mic isn't picking up on it.
• 6:11:14
  Picking it up, there were not pregnancy vlogs this time and
• 6:11:18
  they also live streamed a whole lot less.
• 6:11:21
  So there isn't as much content around this time and not as much
• 6:11:24
  baby focused content either. But when there was, Morgan
• 6:11:28
  seemed very tired, irritable. There was once again pushback
• 6:11:31
  from people because they gave their son a gender neutral name
• 6:11:34
  of love. And again, conservatives were
• 6:11:37
  like oh it's not manly enough. And liberals were like, oh, you
• 6:11:41
  hypocrites. And it was a whole thing.
• 6:11:45
  I think it's quite a nice name, actually.
• 6:11:47
  Quite cute. Give us that baby update.
• 6:11:50
  How are you doing? How are you feeling?
• 6:11:52
  Mentally, Physically tired, tired and tired.
• 6:11:58
  Same. The past two days I've been very
• 6:12:01
  nauseous. More nauseous than I have
• 6:12:04
  actually in a little while here. How are you doing, babe?
• 6:12:06
  What's the update? What update, you guys?
• 6:12:09
  There's not a major update right now.
• 6:12:11
  We were going to tell you all the gender, but we're not going
• 6:12:15
  to yet. Well, I personally feel like the
• 6:12:18
  past two ish, maybe more months have been like really hard.
• 6:12:23
  It's just been trying. I feel like personally, this
• 6:12:29
  pregnancy has not been very easy.
• 6:12:31
  I know it could be way worse. So praise God for that.
• 6:12:35
  Tell say what happened. Do you want to say what
• 6:12:37
  happened? Do we just want to do we just
• 6:12:38
  want to say it? No, babe, we have to build this
• 6:12:39
  up. It's a gender reveal.
• 6:12:41
  Gee, people spend millions on this.
• 6:12:43
  We're just, yeah, it's a blank move on.
• 6:12:47
  Go ahead, go ahead. The pregnancy announcement was
• 6:12:50
  what? No.
• 6:12:51
  OK, build it up, babe. Go.
• 6:12:53
  All right. We are having.
• 6:12:57
  Hey, boy #2 Luca is going to have a younger brother.
• 6:13:06
  Oh, man. If this had been a girl like I
• 6:13:08
  could have been like, Lord, we're good.
• 6:13:11
  I'm not getting, I am not getting the snip, snip.
• 6:13:14
  And I'm tired of people joking around about it.
• 6:13:16
  Who said that? Your mom.
• 6:13:17
  Oh, I'm not doing it. Oh my goodness, I am not doing
• 6:13:23
  it. Tina.
• 6:13:24
  Yes. A reel in which you showed it
• 6:13:28
  says, in case you missed it, I'm 14 weeks pregnant with baby #2
• 6:13:33
  It's a cute little thing, little reel.
• 6:13:35
  It's you're showing your baby bump and then you say his name
• 6:13:38
  is Judah. Love Oligus.
• 6:13:42
  Correct. Artful hate that we're giving
• 6:13:47
  him the last name Oligus. OK, hold on.
• 6:13:50
  Hate is a strong word. I used pushback because there's
• 6:13:55
  just let me just read this. Obviously I'm kidding.
• 6:13:58
  No one's getting mad about our last name being his last name.
• 6:14:01
  Oh, I I'd misheard you. He wasn't even.
• 6:14:04
  No, I was. You threw me off track.
• 6:14:07
  You threw me off track. You are insane.
• 6:14:09
  Judah. Love.
• 6:14:11
  Love is the name in question. Aren't those middle names
• 6:14:15
  intended for females? And I, I want a genuine reaction
• 6:14:19
  here because Luca Grace in Judah love, you responded and you
• 6:14:25
  said, why are the attributes of God intended only for females?
• 6:14:30
  Question mark with a little :) we live in a confusing time,
• 6:14:35
  gender speaking, which I would agree with.
• 6:14:37
  That confusing time we live in. Naming your son's girls names
• 6:14:44
  and your girls boy names is a symptom of what's going on in
• 6:14:48
  society. This symptom is rubbed off on
• 6:14:50
  me. We.
• 6:14:52
  I want to, I want to sincerely question that I'm caving to
• 6:14:56
  society. And they also address the
• 6:14:59
  questions and worries that people had about their
• 6:15:01
  relationship at this point, too. Why do so many people think Paul
• 6:15:05
  hates you? Tell me, Paul, why do they think
• 6:15:09
  that? That's an interesting question.
• 6:15:12
  Why do so many people think Paul hates you?
• 6:15:14
  Yeah. Can I just be honest?
• 6:15:16
  Yes. When you read that to me that
• 6:15:18
  someone wrote it, I thought, ooh, that would be a good
• 6:15:23
  question to put in the thumbnail.
• 6:15:25
  But then I thought, it's not necessarily like a great thing
• 6:15:32
  to even have out there like in a thumbnail or in a title.
• 6:15:38
  I, I just, I was hanging out with a guy or I, I was at a
• 6:15:40
  basketball game yesterday and I see this guy that I used to
• 6:15:44
  know. And I, he was asking what we
• 6:15:46
  did, told him about the channel and just picturing him like
• 6:15:48
  coming over to the channel. And that's like the first thing
• 6:15:50
  he sees. Why do so many people think Paul
• 6:15:52
  hates Morgan? And I'm just like, but it is
• 6:15:55
  what it is. It's the kind of the reality, I
• 6:15:58
  suppose, of some people that know us.
• 6:16:03
  Who, who are those people that would think Paul hates Morgan?
• 6:16:09
  Well, if I, the guy that I ran into yesterday, the basketball
• 6:16:13
  game watches this, it is not I, I feel confident.
• 6:16:17
  Seriously, I feel confident. It is not the family.
• 6:16:21
  It is not people that watch us and like us.
• 6:16:26
  It is the people. And, and I'll still give some
• 6:16:29
  reasons why I think they might feel this way.
• 6:16:32
  It's the people that come over from hate videos about us, come
• 6:16:35
  over from criticism videos about us or our marriage, hate watch
• 6:16:40
  us all the different things. And they, I guess, feel that
• 6:16:45
  way. Here's a few reasons, Morgan,
• 6:16:46
  why I feel like people might feel that way.
• 6:16:50
  I feel like from some of our earlier videos, we started
• 6:16:53
  posting YouTube videos three months into our marriage.
• 6:16:59
  Yes, we were wrestling with stuff in our marriage.
• 6:17:02
  We were young and we would both say our first year of marriage,
• 6:17:05
  our second year of marriage were very hard.
• 6:17:08
  And so some of that with us being as open as we are, some of
• 6:17:12
  that came out in our videos, some expectations that I had
• 6:17:15
  that I was very much working through.
• 6:17:17
  And so sometimes I would say something in one video, we left
• 6:17:21
  an argument literally in the video where I was saying that it
• 6:17:26
  frustrated me that we didn't snuggle more.
• 6:17:29
  So I think people could watch that, that don't watch much of
• 6:17:32
  our content, disagree vehemently with our content.
• 6:17:35
  And then hear me saying that. And that got a big reaction.
• 6:17:38
  Hear me saying that, you know, here's some modesty takes that I
• 6:17:43
  have. See me here, I'm just going to
• 6:17:45
  start going down the list. See me saying that I believe in
• 6:17:51
  biblical headship where the husband is the head of the home.
• 6:17:55
  There's another one. See me There was the narrative
• 6:17:58
  going around that Paul and Morgan got married, and then
• 6:18:01
  Paul pulled Morgan away from her secular music that she loved so
• 6:18:06
  much. And now if you observe Morgan,
• 6:18:09
  she is, as they've said, the haters, the criticizers.
• 6:18:14
  Morgan is a shell of herself because she was living such a
• 6:18:18
  fulfilled, passionate life and then marrying Paul.
• 6:18:22
  She leaves her music because of Paul and she becomes kind of
• 6:18:25
  like a religious fundamentalist. So all of that stuff together.
• 6:18:30
  I could see I guess how some people would say, man, Paul just
• 6:18:35
  hates Morgan. There you go.
• 6:18:37
  There's my rant. They have you considered divorce
• 6:18:42
  topic came out. You guys can go watch that video
• 6:18:45
  if you want. But people, you know, jumped on
• 6:18:49
  that. And there was also now that it's
• 6:18:52
  just hearing you talk, there was the the sex advice, the sex Q&A
• 6:18:56
  video we made and we talked about you're just throwing
• 6:18:59
  yourself back. I know.
• 6:19:01
  I mean, you don't have to do this to yourself.
• 6:19:03
  Am I too, too raw? Is this too, is this too raw for
• 6:19:08
  the Internet? Well, it's out there on the
• 6:19:10
  Internet currently on our channel.
• 6:19:12
  So it was the take I gave about if, if you're in an argument, I
• 6:19:16
  still would advocate for like if you were going to have sex, have
• 6:19:20
  sex with your spouse. And people came after me for
• 6:19:23
  that. So again, because they're over
• 6:19:26
  here picturing you being like, I don't care how the word does a
• 6:19:29
  crane get on the bed, which is never.
• 6:19:33
  So if you're watching in our lives, if you're watching from a
• 6:19:36
  lens of Paul and Morgan are so toxic.
• 6:19:39
  Oh my goodness, submission, How toxic?
• 6:19:42
  You're going to kind of lump everything that you hear into
• 6:19:46
  that under that and just everything becomes a red flag.
• 6:19:49
  All right, moving on. Paul does not hate me.
• 6:19:52
  Everyone calm it down. I mean, yeah, people are only
• 6:19:56
  judging based on your own words and the stuff that you have
• 6:19:59
  decided to put out on the Internet to represent you.
• 6:20:01
  So during this period, there was a lot of on camera fighting
• 6:20:08
  between them on live streams, which they consistently blamed
• 6:20:11
  Morgan's pregnancy hormones for. I won't show clips of every
• 6:20:14
  fight. Some of them have been removed.
• 6:20:16
  Not all of them, but. But here was one of the most
• 6:20:21
  awkward moments and the aftermath.
• 6:20:22
  It's not like a big argument argument like we've seen before,
• 6:20:25
  but it's it's definitely awkward to watch it multiple times
• 6:20:29
  during the stream was like trying to be really careful with
• 6:20:32
  my mannerisms and I still got Flack.
• 6:20:35
  But because I was like, I don't want to give people any more
• 6:20:38
  reason to think like I'm twitching over here and it's a
• 6:20:41
  demon. Even though you literally were
• 6:20:43
  laughing like the creepiest laugh I've ever heard.
• 6:20:45
  You're like it was so disturbing, so maybe you did
• 6:20:51
  actually that babe, that is so rude.
• 6:20:55
  I will go find that. I will literally go find it
• 6:20:57
  right now on stream and the creepiest laughter I really
• 6:21:00
  didn't deliver. I was really having fun.
• 6:21:03
  No. You know the laugh that I'm
• 6:21:06
  talking about. Oh, yeah, exactly.
• 6:21:07
  I I literally left. Didn't I leave it in our video?
• 6:21:09
  Yeah. And it's terrible because that's
• 6:21:10
  how unashamed I was of it. It's creepy as heck and you know
• 6:21:14
  it. I don't.
• 6:21:14
  I I disagree. You were doing it on purpose,
• 6:21:17
  like you were act. You were just like being a
• 6:21:19
  doofus. I think you're exaggerating.
• 6:21:22
  OK. No, no, no, no, no.
• 6:21:25
  I I literally do. Famous last words of a man.
• 6:21:27
  I think you're exaggerating. I'm just keeping it rolling.
• 6:21:29
  I I genuinely think that you're exaggerating.
• 6:21:31
  OK, yeah, everyone, you guys share your thoughts, but you
• 6:21:35
  guys share your thoughts. I'll see if I can find it.
• 6:21:37
  If I was exaggerating, I'll see if I can find it.
• 6:21:39
  Right. Very disturbing.
• 6:21:40
  Creepy weirdo laugh of false. I I disagree.
• 6:21:43
  I mean, I was genuinely having fun.
• 6:21:44
  So I was like, like, that's literally I'll I'll find it.
• 6:21:49
  It was worse than that, but that was also creepy.
• 6:21:51
  My point is, Oh, see, oh, oh, that was so creepy to Morgan.
• 6:21:56
  Morgan, it's creepy. So OK, so that gives you guys
• 6:21:59
  perspective on Morgan thinks it's incredibly creepy that I'm
• 6:22:02
  already doing that. When I felt like Isaiah and the
• 6:22:05
  chat, I was looking over here and seeing these comments come
• 6:22:08
  in the chat and I'm just like, whoa, like they literally are
• 6:22:12
  play the video, stop talking. I'll try to find it, but my
• 6:22:18
  point, it was really weird. I'm with Morgan.
• 6:22:20
  My point, She's not exaggerating.
• 6:22:23
  Paul, I agree with Morgan. Oh, wait.
• 6:22:26
  Well, Morgan, embarrassing your husband in public is not
• 6:22:29
  respectful. I'll be honest, Morgan, I feel
• 6:22:30
  like you are verging on embarrassing.
• 6:22:32
  Am I embarrassing you? Baby, you're going a little far.
• 6:22:35
  OK. I'm literally, I apologise if
• 6:22:38
  I'm embarrassing you right now, but we were just talking about
• 6:22:42
  goofy things. All right, A little pushy with
• 6:22:45
  your perspective. Oh, is that what's embarrassing
• 6:22:48
  you, me being pushy? I think you're being pushy and
• 6:22:50
  it's a little embarrassing. OK, sorry, I won't push anymore.
• 6:22:55
  No, you're allowed to push, but you're being a little aggressive
• 6:22:57
  with your pushing. Like, oh, your opinion, your
• 6:23:00
  opinion is right. Creepy.
• 6:23:03
  I'll see if I can find it. But my point was that there were
• 6:23:08
  multiple times when I'm seeing all those comments come in.
• 6:23:10
  So I'm like, I can't give them any more ammunition, even though
• 6:23:13
  it appears like, so you agree with Isaiah or you agree that I
• 6:23:17
  did need deliverance. That's what you're sounding
• 6:23:19
  like. That's what you're sounding
• 6:23:20
  like. That's what you're that's what
• 6:23:22
  you're sounding like to me. OK, now you're being pushy
• 6:23:24
  speaking over me. I'm just saying that's what it
• 6:23:27
  sounded like to me. And you can say that 10,000 more
• 6:23:30
  times or you can let me talk. Go ahead and tell you.
• 6:23:33
  Go ahead that no, you know, a million percent I do not think.
• 6:23:40
  No, I agree that you needed to be delivered.
• 6:23:42
  That's why I'm kind of surprised that you're saying it like that.
• 6:23:46
  I was making a joke of your creepy laugh.
• 6:23:49
  Maybe you did need to be delivered in a joking Mama
• 6:23:54
  manner. OK, let's see this man.
• 6:23:59
  Oh, welcome to the world. My point was.
• 6:24:04
  OK, here. Here it was.
• 6:24:05
  My point was that I was, like, trying to really be careful with
• 6:24:07
  my mannerisms because, like, I felt in that environment.
• 6:24:11
  Yes. Like if you coughed or
• 6:24:12
  something. Sneeze a burp, which sometimes I
• 6:24:15
  do. I've already burped on the
• 6:24:17
  stream a a twitch. They would have been like OC and
• 6:24:21
  I think someone might have even done that.
• 6:24:23
  But like OC, Paul definitely needs to be delivered.
• 6:24:25
  That's just how I felt overall. It really was a fun stream.
• 6:24:28
  Shout out to Isaiah for having us on his channel.
• 6:24:31
  His channel's popping and I really enjoyed the back and
• 6:24:35
  forth, but I'm just saying like that's a little bit of how I
• 6:24:37
  felt. All right, I think this is it.
• 6:24:39
  This is OK. Here it is.
• 6:24:42
  OK, here's here we go. I'm.
• 6:24:43
  We'll let you guys decide. We'll let you guys decide in
• 6:24:45
  real time. Sorry if this is just getting
• 6:24:47
  kind of awkward. It just is what it is.
• 6:24:49
  Here you go Show the volume up video.
• 6:24:55
  Hold it up to the screen right here.
• 6:24:57
  But every logo, everything we do sometimes I'm so enjoying this.
• 6:25:04
  Yeah. People love this.
• 6:25:05
  And no one ever pushed it back on my so they love it.
• 6:25:08
  But everything that we do, yeah. Oh, my goodness.
• 6:25:16
  That was absolutely horrible. No, babe, no one's saying it was
• 6:25:22
  absolutely horrible. You were weird and creepy.
• 6:25:24
  I'm sorry. That's not your real laugh.
• 6:25:27
  You were being a weirdo on purpose.
• 6:25:30
  Were you not trying to be a goofball?
• 6:25:32
  It's fine if you were. I'm not saying that that's wrong
• 6:25:35
  in the live stream. What the heck?
• 6:25:38
  In the live stream right now. You heard.
• 6:25:40
  Bruh, that is so creepy. OK, Yeah, that was a little bit
• 6:25:45
  creepy. OK, I do think.
• 6:25:53
  And then we'll move on. It just looks like Paul was
• 6:25:55
  joking. Not that bad.
• 6:25:57
  Good, good. I agree.
• 6:26:00
  The laugh was creepy in the moment.
• 6:26:04
  And then we'll move on. We we landed on this too long.
• 6:26:07
  Oh my goodness, it's worse than I remember in the moment, in the
• 6:26:12
  moment. Listen, I I even read like I was
• 6:26:16
  rending my heart like giving a a genuine passionate, like, here's
• 6:26:20
  how I feel, here's what the Bible says.
• 6:26:22
  And then I look up and see in the live chat, and maybe I
• 6:26:24
  shouldn't have read the live chat, but someone said like, Oh
• 6:26:28
  my goodness, what is Paul even doing?
• 6:26:29
  And it was like when I was literally quoting scripture.
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  And so I'm seeing like this stuff come in.
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  And so maybe I did get like a little bit over the top, which
• 6:26:38
  is fine. But that's not what you made me
• 6:26:39
  feel like. The way you were describing the
• 6:26:41
  laugh, it's you saying, which is fine.
• 6:26:44
  But before you were like, it was insanely creepy and you maybe
• 6:26:48
  should have been delivered. I was trying to make a joke of
• 6:26:53
  maybe you should have been delivered because of those
• 6:26:56
  creepy laughs that you had, because that wasn't the only
• 6:26:58
  time that you made the creepy laugh.
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  And so it was a joke. I apologise if it went too far.
• 6:27:05
  That's OK. Thomas does say, as a man, it
• 6:27:07
  seems like Morgan teases Paul a lot.
• 6:27:10
  Felt like you've maybe been teasing me a little bit more in
• 6:27:13
  this stream. OK.
• 6:27:15
  All right, let's move along, people.
• 6:27:18
  You guys were able to decide. Some of you did say that it was
• 6:27:21
  creepy. Fair enough.
• 6:27:23
  Morgan, who is your favourite U.S.
• 6:27:25
  President? LA Revival.
• 6:27:28
  I'm going to block you real soon.
• 6:27:29
  Lady Morgan is making a case for egalitarian egalitarianism.
• 6:27:35
  Egalitarianism. We've actually been discussing
• 6:27:39
  egalitarian versus complementarian a decent amount,
• 6:27:43
  and we'll just leave that at that.
• 6:27:46
  Morgan, favourite U.S. President?
• 6:27:50
  I have none. I don't pay enough attention to
• 6:27:52
  that. Afterwards, Morgan felt the need
• 6:27:55
  to post this on their community tab.
• 6:27:57
  If you're on a last live, you probably witnessed a moment
• 6:27:59
  where Paul and I had a tiff, but watching it back on my own I
• 6:28:03
  realised it was more than that. I'm really sorry that you all
• 6:28:05
  had to witness me go way overboard with my joke towards
• 6:28:08
  Paul. Watching it back I was kind of
• 6:28:10
  grossed out and honestly don't even remember being that intense
• 6:28:12
  slash aggressive. I believe part of me acting that
• 6:28:16
  way has to do with being an exhausted mum 19 weeks pregnant
• 6:28:19
  but that doesn't excuse my behaviour.
• 6:28:21
  I apologise to Paul afterwards and now I feel it's only right
• 6:28:23
  to say sorry to you guys. Going live is not easy and we
• 6:28:26
  won't always get it right. I appreciate your showing me
• 6:28:29
  grace and let's pray that that never happens again on my end
• 6:28:33
  lol because your girl went wild. I love you guys, thanks for
• 6:28:36
  being part of this journey. And then this was in their next
• 6:28:39
  live stream too. Viral apology.
• 6:28:44
  None other than me. Oh, no, I did.
• 6:28:50
  Hey, I didn't say it. Morgan, have you read through
• 6:28:54
  those comments? No, I don't want to.
• 6:28:56
  I didn't even remember that I posted the apology.
• 6:29:00
  All right, since you're like. It wasn't sincere.
• 6:29:02
  It was. But I just, like, posted.
• 6:29:04
  It was like time for me to go to Betty by.
• 6:29:06
  Since you're addressing it, Morgan.
• 6:29:08
  Yeah. Tell people, people that are
• 6:29:11
  tuning in that have no idea, just give them a little.
• 6:29:12
  Well if you haven't seen my apology, it's in the YouTube
• 6:29:15
  community community post. But it was me apologising for
• 6:29:22
  how I acted in the last live that we had last week.
• 6:29:26
  And I was gonna wait to, like, make my apology until we were,
• 6:29:30
  like, live because I just felt like that would be better.
• 6:29:33
  But then apparently, like, Paul was telling me that people were
• 6:29:37
  commenting, like, on our last live about it.
• 6:29:40
  And so I was kind of like, all right, well, I should probably
• 6:29:41
  just address it right now. So I wrote something up and the
• 6:29:46
  next thing, apparently it was a mixed bag.
• 6:29:51
  It was a very mixed bag. Paul read me a couple and I was
• 6:29:56
  like, that's enough. Let's just say the surge of
• 6:30:03
  people, man, this sounds bad. The surge of people wanting you
• 6:30:08
  to leave me has been kind of like chill, chill for a bit, but
• 6:30:15
  that ball has started rolling again.
• 6:30:17
  Me apologising get out of there, Morgan, get out of that crazy
• 6:30:23
  terrible marriage. How dare you apologise for
• 6:30:28
  something that you did. I don't get it.
• 6:30:33
  Like if these people are married, how are they surviving
• 6:30:36
  if they never apologise for anything that they do,
• 6:30:39
  especially if what they do is like, really bad.
• 6:30:42
  Like, so interesting because like, some people were like, it
• 6:30:47
  really was not like a big deal. But then some people were like,
• 6:30:51
  yeah, I noticed it. And it was like, genuinely
• 6:30:54
  becoming concerned, like, Morgan, you're going too far,
• 6:30:57
  whatever. But personally, I watched it
• 6:31:00
  back and was like, oh, my goodness, did I, like, swallow a
• 6:31:03
  rage pill? Like, what's wrong with what had
• 6:31:07
  you eaten like in the hours leading up to our going live?
• 6:31:10
  I can't even tell you what I just ate 10 minutes ago.
• 6:31:15
  But yeah, it's just so funny. Like you can't please anyone.
• 6:31:20
  But you know what only matters is me and my husband being on
• 6:31:23
  great terms. And we are.
• 6:31:26
  Ever since she apologised, we are doing so well.
• 6:31:31
  Oh my, it was even before I apologised.
• 6:31:33
  Paul, was Mr Humble over here Like, oh, it's OK.
• 6:31:42
  I was. I was humble.
• 6:31:43
  But I did. I told you that I felt like you
• 6:31:45
  went too far. Yeah, you did.
• 6:31:47
  I ain't no pushover husband. Fine.
• 6:31:49
  I ain't no pushover husband. If you don't have a husband or
• 6:31:52
  wife who, like, calls you out when you're acting kind of
• 6:31:55
  crazy, then you shouldn't get married.
• 6:31:58
  And if you are married and they're not calling you out, you
• 6:32:02
  should have a meeting with them 'cause that's how we grow
• 6:32:07
  people, all right? Anywho, if you guys love the
• 6:32:10
  drama of it all, that's you should probably check yourself.
• 6:32:14
  I don't know, I just feel like feel like everyone is Morgan.
• 6:32:17
  This is bad, but I feel like everyone kind of enjoys a little
• 6:32:20
  drama in their life. Of course, and this wasn't the
• 6:32:27
  only time they had to issue a community tab apology either.
• 6:32:30
  Take a look at this clip. We are live.
• 6:32:37
  What's up everybody, We got AQ and A today and I actually saw
• 6:32:43
  Morgan. We had a super chat before we
• 6:32:44
  even clicked. Go live.
• 6:32:46
  Wow. What do you know?
• 6:32:51
  It's a pair character dancing. Nope, lying on its side.
• 6:32:55
  Thank you, Kristen Mack, we appreciate you.
• 6:32:57
  Thank you, Kristen and saying how's it going?
• 6:33:01
  It's going well. Good to see you guys.
• 6:33:03
  Morgan, is it? Wait, what?
• 6:33:05
  What is it? What did I say?
• 6:33:07
  It's going well, it's going better than it could be.
• 6:33:13
  It could be worse. I hate that phrase, I hate that
• 6:33:16
  statement. I hate when people use that.
• 6:33:18
  I think it's the dumbest thing ever.
• 6:33:21
  What the statement that it's going better than it could be.
• 6:33:24
  Obviously it could be worse. What would you rather me say?
• 6:33:30
  Let me just say, everyone, that I think the past four, maybe 5,
• 6:33:36
  but definitely four times that we've gone live before our live,
• 6:33:44
  something happens. It's a terrible moment.
• 6:33:48
  Whether Paul and I get into it, whether I'm stressed, whether
• 6:33:51
  Paul is stressed, something happens every flipping time.
• 6:33:57
  Well, Anne, our last Q&A ended up having a oh, goodness
• 6:34:04
  gracious, don't remind me of that.
• 6:34:05
  I'm just saying, yeah. So anyhow, that said, are we
• 6:34:12
  ready to jump in? Here we are.
• 6:34:17
  What's up, you guys? Hey, hey, you know, welcome to
• 6:34:22
  Real Life with P&M. We get up today and it's just.
• 6:34:30
  I told Morgan 10 minutes ago I I have a hard time understanding
• 6:34:39
  how people can have kids and then juggle the the kid life and
• 6:34:46
  the work life seemingly very smoothly.
• 6:34:52
  It's probably all fake, just Instagram making it look like
• 6:34:56
  they're doing it smoothly. You think that's the case or do
• 6:35:00
  you think that some people are just stinking awesome at that
• 6:35:04
  and we're just no, not that awesome?
• 6:35:11
  I feel like I'm pretty awesome. I don't feel like I'm awesome.
• 6:35:16
  And The thing is when I think about it like, like I'm working
• 6:35:19
  from home and then, you know, I'll go out sometimes.
• 6:35:24
  But juggling the trying to help out with Luca some, you're
• 6:35:29
  carrying more of the brunt than I am.
• 6:35:31
  But I'm like, if I was working a nine to five in an office, you
• 6:35:36
  guys didn't realise that this was going to be just a therapy
• 6:35:38
  session and the Q&A may or may not happen.
• 6:35:43
  OK, There's Audrey Roman Panda saying it's hard.
• 6:35:46
  Thank you, Audrey. And Archon says as well, if I
• 6:35:50
  was working a, say a, a nine to five, nine to six, that's still
• 6:35:55
  going to be hard for you and Luca being here by yourself, in
• 6:36:03
  some ways it's going to be harder.
• 6:36:04
  I feel like in some ways it I guess is I think there are perks
• 6:36:10
  and pros and cons to every type of parenting, whether it's you
• 6:36:19
  work a nine to five somewhere where you work from home or
• 6:36:23
  whatever. There are pros and cons, and
• 6:36:27
  it's challenging no matter what. So here we go.
• 6:36:37
  Anyhow, pray for us to you guys. Everyone in the comments section
• 6:36:42
  is saying it's stinking hard. So it's just hard to keep our
• 6:36:48
  heads above water. And then with the reality of
• 6:36:52
  like, got to make a living, Yeah.
• 6:36:56
  Got to be good parents. Well, on top of that, like got
• 6:37:01
  to be a good husband and wife on top of that.
• 6:37:06
  It's like the type of work that we do.
• 6:37:09
  It's just I think even more maybe a little more stressful
• 6:37:13
  because a lot of what we do is like, I mean, it's social media,
• 6:37:17
  but it's so unreliable. We just have no idea if we're
• 6:37:23
  going to survive each month. Just got to rely on the Lord and
• 6:37:28
  trust that He's going to get us through each day.
• 6:37:38
  Oh man. Anyhow.
• 6:37:41
  Which was followed up with about last night's stream.
• 6:37:45
  Those who are on live or watch the playback or watch the
• 6:37:48
  playback know what I'm referring to.
• 6:37:50
  The beginning 5 minutes or so got really raw, kind of negative
• 6:37:53
  and we probably overshared. We weren't planning on that
• 6:37:55
  happening, but it did and was just real life.
• 6:37:58
  I debated Truman out of the video, but after talking to a
• 6:38:00
  few people, I'm going to leave it in.
• 6:38:02
  The reality is Morgan and I have growth to do.
• 6:38:04
  We have growth in the way we treat and communicate with each
• 6:38:08
  other and now with a kid and another on the way.
• 6:38:10
  We get emotional and stressed at times and sometimes it comes out
• 6:38:13
  in our videos. It's been, it had been a hard
• 6:38:16
  day for me and Morgan and I had gotten into something about an
• 6:38:19
  hour prior to going live. That's life and it happens.
• 6:38:22
  And in the season with its unique challenges, perhaps it
• 6:38:24
  happens more frequently to us than we wish it did.
• 6:38:27
  To be honest, it would have been kind of fake to push go live and
• 6:38:30
  act energetic and like our day was great.
• 6:38:32
  And frankly, I, Paul, kind of like you guys seeing when my
• 6:38:35
  imperfections as a husband are reflected on screen.
• 6:38:37
  It's just the reality to the comment that Morgan was kind of
• 6:38:40
  rude to Paul. Slash the viewers.
• 6:38:42
  Please show her grace. I brought some things up to her
• 6:38:44
  shortly before going live that were not presented in the best
• 6:38:47
  way that she was processing. She's being she's being real the
• 6:38:52
  best way she knows how and she's juggling a lot.
• 6:38:54
  I'd absolutely rather have her with me in videos We're all
• 6:38:57
  assassin all than her not be there and comments like I
• 6:39:01
  subscribe for some reason but after seeing the beginning of
• 6:39:03
  this video I have no idea why. I won't lie, that hurt to read
• 6:39:06
  and that's totally your prerogative.
• 6:39:08
  Like I said, sometimes we reveal and even overshare things on
• 6:39:11
  camera and our content isn't for everyone.
• 6:39:14
  To be fair, many of you are content through a very limited
• 6:39:16
  lens and it's easy to try and fit someone into a box when
• 6:39:20
  that's not the case. Anyhow, I hope our real lives
• 6:39:23
  and continue pursuit of Christ encourages and blesses many of
• 6:39:26
  you guys, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 6:39:31
  OK, that's hard to read. So they weren't exactly in the
• 6:39:38
  happiest place at this time. And I don't know, I guess I
• 6:39:41
  still have a lot of sympathy for them in this.
• 6:39:43
  I know when you're struggling with stuff, especially like
• 6:39:46
  health stuff, and I would Class A difficult pregnancy as health
• 6:39:49
  stuff, you know, and it can be really hard to regulate your
• 6:39:52
  mood. I know because I like I've said
• 6:39:55
  before and I think I've said when I was filming the other
• 6:39:58
  day, I don't know, but I struggled with some major
• 6:40:01
  chronic pain issues. I'm struggling right now.
• 6:40:05
  I've been having the issues with my coil.
• 6:40:07
  I have my hip pain where I struggle to walk some days.
• 6:40:11
  And then oh God, the other night I had the worst migraine.
• 6:40:13
  I haven't had a migraine in like 10 years and it hit me and oh
• 6:40:15
  God it's horrible for like 3 days.
• 6:40:17
  Anyway, you don't need to know this.
• 6:40:19
  The point is, I know when I'm struggling with health stuff and
• 6:40:22
  pain stuff. Everything feels 10 times
• 6:40:24
  harder. Everything makes me 10 times
• 6:40:26
  more emotional, everything I take 10 times more personally.
• 6:40:30
  And so I get it. And it sucks because you know
• 6:40:33
  that while you still have all this going on, you still need to
• 6:40:36
  work because no one else is going to be paying your bills
• 6:40:38
  for you. And that's added pressure.
• 6:40:40
  And when your work is like being this public facing person
• 6:40:47
  online, like it's really hard. So I get it.
• 6:40:51
  I, I get them, I get why they were struggling.
• 6:40:54
  I don't judge them for it. I can't blame her for being a
• 6:40:57
  bit grumpy and snappy sometimes. I think that's a completely
• 6:41:00
  understandable response to everything going on.
• 6:41:03
  I think Paul and Morgan have done a lot wrong and may not
• 6:41:07
  have a healthy marriage, but I'm not going to complain about a
• 6:41:10
  scared pregnant woman being a little bit grumpy on live
• 6:41:13
  streams occasionally. You know, that's the least bad
• 6:41:16
  thing they've ever done. And why is this thing outside
• 6:41:19
  getting louder? There's some street cleaning
• 6:41:22
  thing outside that's been going for like 10 minutes now.
• 6:41:24
  I'm so sorry if the mic's picking it up, right?
• 6:41:28
  Anyway, thankfully Judah was also born safely.
• 6:41:30
  Morgan was safe. She didn't nearly die during
• 6:41:33
  childbirth this time. This is all really, really good.
• 6:41:36
  And this time the birth was just announced with a small community
• 6:41:39
  tab post, right? Let's talk 24 hours with During
• 6:41:45
  this time, Paul Morgan also started a new era of content
• 6:41:48
  creation. They stopped there asking people
• 6:41:50
  on the street videos and started a new series called 24 Hours
• 6:41:54
  with a series where they went and spent 24 hours with other
• 6:41:57
  various Christian influencers to see what they agreed on and what
• 6:42:00
  they didn't. This was a nice enough idea in
• 6:42:03
  theory, and maybe it could have worked with better planning,
• 6:42:06
  better guests and better hosts, but it kind of didn't.
• 6:42:09
  Yeah. We've only been here less than
• 6:42:11
  an hour, and I can tell this man is a good dad.
• 6:42:14
  So if we disagree on everything else under the sun, I will
• 6:42:19
  still, he's a good dad. I will put that on my.
• 6:42:21
  I'm kidding. It's awesome.
• 6:42:24
  Seen a little bit of this series, you know, that we don't
• 6:42:27
  shy away from the We don't shy away from the challenging
• 6:42:32
  conversation. How are you?
• 6:42:34
  Just be totally on it. Are you nervous that we're going
• 6:42:36
  to, like, come after you? I wouldn't say nervous because I
• 6:42:40
  think you guys, you know, you know, your your goal here is to
• 6:42:44
  have tough conversations. And I don't think you would have
• 6:42:46
  flown out here if you thought that I was going to, like, just
• 6:42:49
  kind of stroke your ego and be like, I was just kidding the
• 6:42:51
  whole time. We're not having that.
• 6:42:53
  So exactly so deep. What I was going to ask.
• 6:42:56
  Yeah. Be completely honest.
• 6:42:58
  First impressions of Paul and Morgan.
• 6:43:00
  You've made a few reactions, pushing back on us at times.
• 6:43:04
  What, What was your first reaction when you saw our
• 6:43:06
  content? I think first video was, it was
• 6:43:10
  a video that I never even posted because I think you guys were
• 6:43:13
  talking about sex. I really, if I'm being
• 6:43:18
  completely honest, I thought it was like I thought you guys were
• 6:43:20
  being super legalistic. And I feel like some of the, the
• 6:43:23
  videos that I have posted it, they're still kind of like that
• 6:43:26
  legalism aspects where I'm like, like, I don't agree with much of
• 6:43:30
  this at all. Well, I am excited to dive into
• 6:43:34
  those those areas. I mean, I do like the idea and
• 6:43:38
  I'm about to say something which may be a little controversial
• 6:43:40
  here. But interestingly, I do think
• 6:43:43
  the one thing right wingers, especially American right
• 6:43:45
  wingers, are better at is finding common ground between
• 6:43:49
  them and getting over the stuff that they disagree with each
• 6:43:51
  other on. Whereas amongst the left, it's
• 6:43:54
  almost like you do one thing people disagree with and you
• 6:43:57
  immediately get called a fascist and you're like, you're a
• 6:44:01
  terrible person. And This is why people say the
• 6:44:05
  left eats itself because because so many people are so quick to
• 6:44:10
  be like, either you're entirely with me or entirely against me.
• 6:44:14
  And people can't seem to see nuance or understand where it
• 6:44:18
  might be OK to disagree on certain areas or like agree to
• 6:44:22
  disagree or whatever. And but anyway, I won't go into
• 6:44:24
  all that now. And in terms of 24 hours with
• 6:44:27
  Paul and Morgan put a lot of time and money into this.
• 6:44:30
  And I don't think it made them a whole lot in return.
• 6:44:32
  Their views were not what they expected them to be.
• 6:44:36
  I've already spoken about two of the 24 hours with videos in
• 6:44:40
  detail on my channel. I covered the Girl to Find
• 6:44:42
  collab which ultimately ended with Dave questioning his face.
• 6:44:46
  And I've spoken about the Sister Cindy collab which got even Paul
• 6:44:49
  and Morgan fans angry because they didn't like Cindy's vulgar
• 6:44:52
  language. All the fact she may be mentally
• 6:44:54
  ill. I will link those two videos
• 6:44:57
  below if you want to go check them out for yourself.
• 6:44:59
  My discussion of specific things they say are way more in depth
• 6:45:02
  than in this video. I do think there's a few basic
• 6:45:05
  things they could have done to improve this project and made it
• 6:45:07
  actually good. Better planning of the topics
• 6:45:10
  that we're going to speak about with their guests and personally
• 6:45:12
  doing more research on certain issues they want to cover so
• 6:45:15
  that they could realistically push back if they wanted to.
• 6:45:18
  They don't have the best interview skills and I think
• 6:45:20
  this is something they could have practised first before
• 6:45:22
  putting so much time and effort into making these documentaries.
• 6:45:25
  They could have done like a little practise series where
• 6:45:27
  they did like Zoom interviews with people before spending a
• 6:45:33
  tonne of money to fly around the country and meet people.
• 6:45:37
  I think there's basic things like the opening titles look
• 6:45:39
  quite amateurish and probably put a lot of people off.
• 6:45:57
  The division between Christians online is immense.
• 6:45:59
  In this series, we will press into tough conversations,
• 6:46:02
  disagree with love, and humanise the person behind the screen.
• 6:46:05
  Join us as we discover the real lives of some of the most
• 6:46:08
  influential Christian figures. Hey, we're Paul and Morgan and
• 6:46:11
  we can't wait for you to watch episode 2 of 24 Hours With.
• 6:46:14
  We have the opportunity to spend the day with Bethany from Girl
• 6:46:17
  Define. Bethany runs Girl Define with
• 6:46:19
  her sister Kristen. Their goal is to help modern
• 6:46:21
  girls live out God's timeless truth for womanhood.
• 6:46:23
  They've received a lot of hate for their videos and strong
• 6:46:26
  stances. Some of the criticism warranted
• 6:46:28
  are Christian and Bethany legalistic Christians living in
• 6:46:30
  an echo chamber? What about the Christians
• 6:46:32
  they've started to upset? We'll get an honest look into
• 6:46:35
  Bethany and Dave's marriage and the challenges of living in the
• 6:46:37
  spotlight while seeing some things very differently.
• 6:46:40
  This video is loaded, get ready. We had the opportunity to spend
• 6:46:44
  the day with Josh Benson from Church Chad.
• 6:46:46
  Huge shout out to Josh and Sydney for being down to film
• 6:46:49
  episode 3 while being one month into living with their new baby
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  girl, sleep deprived in the trenches of new parenthood.
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  Keeping it real, we've we've had online disagreements in the
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  past. I may or may not have wanted to
• 6:47:00
  punch Josh in the face. So the question now is, can we
• 6:47:03
  squash our beef face to face? We talked through hot topics
• 6:47:07
  like Trump versus Biden, pro-life versus pro-choice,
• 6:47:10
  modesty, edgy Christian memes, and much more.
• 6:47:13
  Grab the fire extinguisher because this beef is sizzling.
• 6:47:16
  This could have been easily fixed and I'm not sure why they
• 6:47:20
  settled for just like titles like these on what was clearly
• 6:47:23
  already quite an expensive project.
• 6:47:25
  I think they could have had a much better narrative structure
• 6:47:27
  to each episode. So maybe like start with them
• 6:47:29
  researching their guests and talking about their assumptions,
• 6:47:32
  then showing them going and meeting them, chatting about
• 6:47:34
  some issues and then coming home and doing a sort of debriefing
• 6:47:37
  with each other afterwards. That could have been really
• 6:47:38
  cool. I think there's like lots of
• 6:47:40
  little things that could have improved the episodes and made
• 6:47:42
  them more interesting and more watchable.
• 6:47:45
  I also personally didn't care for the little like vlog like
• 6:47:48
  elements like, oh, let's go do an ice bath together.
• 6:47:53
  Oh, let's talk about what can of pop we're drinking.
• 6:47:56
  Let's you know, that's the thing.
• 6:47:58
  But I'm aware that could just be me because I don't enjoy vlogs
• 6:48:02
  anyway, so maybe that's a personal thing and some people
• 6:48:04
  did enjoy those elements. Who's to say?
• 6:48:07
  One of the final videos in this series was with a guest who I
• 6:48:10
  think Paul in particular, grossly underestimated Tim from
• 6:48:14
  the new Evangelicals. I think Tim was better prepared
• 6:48:17
  than Paul, better educated and a more reasonable person.
• 6:48:21
  So this episode in particular kind of backfired on Paul.
• 6:48:24
  So how do we decide on who which sources to bring in?
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  Because you would agree that there are going to be some
• 6:48:29
  sources that maybe land in places that are not true.
• 6:48:34
  Well, what do you say when you when you say true, what do you
• 6:48:36
  mean by true? Like give me the the definition
• 6:48:39
  of how you think about truth in this context.
• 6:48:41
  Not about I'm not talking about about how if the earth is flat
• 6:48:43
  or not. We can objectively prove that
• 6:48:45
  with math. But when it comes to the Bible
• 6:48:47
  and truth, like how do you define that?
• 6:48:49
  I think of just different passages that Jesus said my word
• 6:48:54
  is true. We all bring cultural baggage to
• 6:48:56
  the text. I'm no different, but so do you
• 6:48:59
  and so do all the other fundamentalists.
• 6:49:01
  A lot of them, I'm not saying you that I don't really know,
• 6:49:03
  but a lot of them can't acknowledge that they actually
• 6:49:06
  are bringing you bias to the text like we all do.
• 6:49:08
  That's just part of being human. We're in a cultural moment.
• 6:49:10
  It is what it is. So that's where I would be even
• 6:49:12
  more careful about who I'm bringing in that's doing
• 6:49:15
  additional work on scripture. And I would do my very best to
• 6:49:20
  let scripture interpret scripture.
• 6:49:22
  What is there in plain sight canonised Word of God.
• 6:49:25
  If I'm bringing in extra stuff, I want it to be perhaps scholars
• 6:49:29
  that are just pointing back scripture and saying what is
• 6:49:32
  happening here, helping me get the context, rather than
• 6:49:35
  scholars that are bringing in. Well, here's my own kind of
• 6:49:39
  thoughts on this and and moving further and further away, but
• 6:49:42
  then saying, well, this is this is my wisdom that I'm bringing
• 6:49:46
  into the conversation of what is biblical.
• 6:49:48
  I think this is actually a good conversation of the difference
• 6:49:52
  between us because what I'm trying to say is that just like
• 6:49:56
  how a fish and water is wet, whether is it or not, all of us
• 6:49:59
  are going to bring to some level our own interpretation of the
• 6:50:02
  text. Even the text that we have now
• 6:50:04
  went through tonnes of revisions.
• 6:50:06
  There are editors, there are people who translate words that
• 6:50:08
  are in Greek or Hebrew to English and they make certain
• 6:50:11
  calls. One example is there's actually
• 6:50:13
  no word in Hebrew or in Greek in the Bible for husband and wife.
• 6:50:16
  It's always a man or woman. But translators make that call
• 6:50:20
  based on what they think is the context of that passage.
• 6:50:22
  So when you read in Genesis, I think it's Genesis 2A, man
• 6:50:25
  clings to his wife. The language is actually in the
• 6:50:27
  actual language. A man clings to his woman, OK,
• 6:50:30
  but a translator makes the call because we obviously are going
• 6:50:33
  to see that as, Oh well, if you're together this way, you're
• 6:50:35
  obviously husband and wife. So I'm just saying, I'm with
• 6:50:37
  you. I want to know what's in the
• 6:50:38
  Bible. I want to know how we got it.
• 6:50:40
  I want to know what it says. And when I did that and listen
• 6:50:43
  to people who were like, hey, I have studied this for 30
• 6:50:45
  something years and I care about this stuff.
• 6:50:47
  Here's what's going on. It didn't match up with my
• 6:50:49
  fundamentalist understanding of biblical inerrancy or this
• 6:50:53
  concept that the Bible is like God's word being down to us.
• 6:50:56
  It didn't match anymore. And that's why I shifted my
• 6:50:58
  view. So Tim, I think when people come
• 6:51:00
  across your content, one of the things they see pretty quickly
• 6:51:03
  is, OK, this guy, he holds some progressive Christian positions
• 6:51:07
  and one of the things they see is LGBTQ affirming.
• 6:51:10
  Yep. What is your position on as
• 6:51:14
  somebody calls himself a Christian on LGBTQ
• 6:51:16
  relationships? I don't think it's simple to be
• 6:51:20
  queer like meaning I don't think it's simple to be married to a
• 6:51:26
  person of the same sex. I don't think it's simple to be
• 6:51:29
  trans. I don't think it's inherently
• 6:51:30
  simple to be LGBTQ. I think a good amount of
• 6:51:35
  Christians would say you can have just like we all do.
• 6:51:38
  We all have struggles, we all have tendencies, but it's what
• 6:51:41
  you do with those. So you can be attracted to the
• 6:51:43
  same sex, but if you're not giving into that to those lusts
• 6:51:48
  and you know, join the club. We all got stuff.
• 6:51:51
  But you go a step further and say, no, you you can give in to
• 6:51:55
  those you can be active in. Yes.
• 6:51:59
  I mean, just like how heterosexual people have sex
• 6:52:02
  with, you know, heterosexually and it cannot be sinful,
• 6:52:05
  especially in the evangelical world.
• 6:52:07
  Like once you're married, it's fine.
• 6:52:08
  I think that there's absolutely room for that for queer folks.
• 6:52:11
  How do you, you know, biblically as a Christian, come up with
• 6:52:15
  that position? Well, I do think that ultimately
• 6:52:18
  some of the classic so-called clobber verses really are
• 6:52:22
  misinterpretations of how we think about what it means to be
• 6:52:25
  queer today compared to what's going on in the in the ancient
• 6:52:27
  world. There's a lot of, like,
• 6:52:28
  scholarship on this. Jennifer Bird is a lot of good
• 6:52:30
  work on this. David Gus, she's a lot of work
• 6:52:32
  on this. And I'm assuming when you say
• 6:52:33
  the clobber verses, there's the verse in Romans.
• 6:52:36
  Yeah. We're giving over to the
• 6:52:38
  passions. Men, men and so forth.
• 6:52:41
  First Corinthians, the Leviticus.
• 6:52:44
  So when you look at those verses, even though perhaps,
• 6:52:47
  okay, homosexuality isn't the specific word that was used, it
• 6:52:51
  seems pretty clear that it's men having sex with men.
• 6:52:55
  You somehow say that those verses do not apply to today.
• 6:52:59
  Yeah. But just like when Paul says for
• 6:53:00
  slaves to obey their masters, I would never say, well, Paul's
• 6:53:03
  clear, guys, if you're a slave, you got to obey your master.
• 6:53:05
  I would say, no, I absolutely not take that into
• 6:53:07
  consideration. I would renegotiate that text
• 6:53:09
  for today. I think when you look at Paul
• 6:53:11
  referring to slaves and masters, there's the, I think doula,
• 6:53:14
  doula, the bond servants. It's a bond servant
• 6:53:17
  relationship, particularly in the New Testament.
• 6:53:19
  It's actually pretty awful awesome for that time period
• 6:53:22
  Paul talking about there's neither slave nor free Jew nor
• 6:53:26
  Greek, male nor female like in Christ, we're all one.
• 6:53:29
  But I don't see any of that in regards to the homosexuality.
• 6:53:33
  Well, it's just interesting that you can negotiate the text that
• 6:53:35
  says on the surface slaves obey your masters, you go, well,
• 6:53:38
  that's not what slavery is in Paul's time.
• 6:53:40
  But when it comes to homosexuality, suddenly it's
• 6:53:42
  like a one for one ratio. So why can you negotiate the
• 6:53:45
  text on things that would be uncomfortable today about
• 6:53:48
  slavery and say, well, we're talking about bond servants.
• 6:53:50
  It's different, different kind of slavery than it was back then
• 6:53:52
  compared to what we're talking about today.
• 6:53:54
  But when it comes to homosexuality, suddenly it's a
• 6:53:56
  one for one. It also led to Tim clabbing with
• 6:53:58
  Funny Fridays and then making their own content about Paul and
• 6:54:01
  Morgan, which I don't think Paul and Morgan expected after this
• 6:54:05
  episode and probably for many reasons.
• 6:54:07
  Paul and Morgan made just one more episode of 24 Hours with
• 6:54:10
  with some guy called Rosalyn and then they quit this project too,
• 6:54:14
  like so many of their other projects.
• 6:54:17
  I do kind of understand this one though because it was clearly an
• 6:54:19
  expensive project and while it did get more views than their
• 6:54:22
  previous content, there was no way this was making its money
• 6:54:26
  back. Like not even a chance.
• 6:54:28
  Also, Kyra's currently sleeping under the camera tripod, so if
• 6:54:32
  you can hear her snoring. They ended this era making a few
• 6:54:35
  live streams, reacting to some of their videos and reacting
• 6:54:38
  some of the reactions to their videos and stuff.
• 6:54:39
  But honestly, it's not really that interesting in the grand
• 6:54:42
  scheme of things. And this video is very long,
• 6:54:45
  there's nothing new. Let's move on.
• 6:54:48
  I call this section Misery Vlogs and Pickle Pro.
• 6:54:54
  So after the 24 hours with series concluded, Paul and
• 6:54:57
  Morgan announced another change in their content.
• 6:55:00
  We have talked about it and decided we're going to pump the
• 6:55:03
  brakes. And I'm, I'm just going to say
• 6:55:05
  pump the brakes and then we're going to share what we're
• 6:55:07
  pumping the brakes on. Kind of to say like it's not
• 6:55:11
  that we're for sure never going to go back to it, but it's kind
• 6:55:13
  of like we're going to halt this.
• 6:55:16
  We're going to pump the brakes as we pivot and look at what
• 6:55:20
  else is out there and who knows if we may come back to it on
• 6:55:23
  some level exactly like it was, change some things and come back
• 6:55:27
  to it. Who knows.
• 6:55:27
  But at this point we're going to pump the brakes on some things.
• 6:55:31
  One of those things being the 24 Hours with series.
• 6:55:34
  Had a great run, saw some really cool stuff, amazing
• 6:55:38
  conversations, cool stuff come from it.
• 6:55:40
  Thank you guys for the support and believing in the project.
• 6:55:43
  I really like the six episodes that we were able to release.
• 6:55:49
  Had a lot of fun with it. It was so much work, so much
• 6:55:55
  money, so much time, and we just don't have that in US right now
• 6:56:02
  to do more of those. They didn't have the time,
• 6:56:07
  energy or money to keep making 24 hours with, which is
• 6:56:10
  absolutely fair. And then Paul said to this,
• 6:56:13
  which I really related to, I, I still like the concept of being
• 6:56:19
  able to give commentary on what's going on in life.
• 6:56:21
  Like I really deep down like that, but it also as I'm just
• 6:56:26
  observing the space and the climate and, and even I'm not
• 6:56:32
  trying to like go there necessarily, but the negativity
• 6:56:35
  of things that are negative and critiquing in a harsh way get
• 6:56:42
  more attention. And that's not, that's not like
• 6:56:44
  the big reason of, of this pivot, but it kind of going
• 6:56:49
  along with the pressure and, and seeing other channels that.
• 6:56:52
  And it's just in this world, I'm having to pull back for a number
• 6:56:57
  of reasons. One, just the stage of life, but
• 6:57:00
  for a number of reasons, you know, where do we belong in this
• 6:57:04
  space? There is so much pressure when
• 6:57:08
  you do social commentary stuff because the negative stuff does
• 6:57:11
  get more attention and that is emotionally draining and
• 6:57:14
  difficult and it is almost impossible to maintain.
• 6:57:16
  So I, I completely relate to him here.
• 6:57:19
  This is absolutely fine. And so where did they go from
• 6:57:22
  here? Well, this time they would be
• 6:57:24
  going back to their roots and starting vlogging again, just
• 6:57:27
  like how they start at their channel.
• 6:57:29
  We are moving directions. We're going to be doing family
• 6:57:35
  vlogs guys, and there's a lot of opinions on family vlogs.
• 6:57:41
  Well, even saying family vlogs. So get this guys here, here are
• 6:57:45
  mine because I was writing out something.
• 6:57:48
  It's not just when I think family vlogs, I think the cookie
• 6:57:52
  cutter, you don't go deep. It stays surface level and
• 6:57:56
  you're just saying little things.
• 6:57:58
  Everything looks perfect. Everything's they look like they
• 6:58:00
  live literally the best lives ever in the universe and there's
• 6:58:03
  not tonne of dialogue. But when there is dialogue, it's
• 6:58:06
  just kind of blah, blah, blah, what I'm envisioning visioning.
• 6:58:10
  And there there's a big another piece to this that we're about
• 6:58:12
  to say. But what I'm thinking with these
• 6:58:15
  these vlogs, our daily lives is a goal to not do the safe cookie
• 6:58:21
  cutter videos, but rather real life in all caps.
• 6:58:25
  The highs and lows, struggles, tough conversations, obviously
• 6:58:30
  fun too and excitement as well. Joining the fam as we go to just
• 6:58:37
  one thing that I'm about to share, sharing about growth and
• 6:58:42
  even some hot topic conversations.
• 6:58:44
  So when big things happen with you know, in that realm of the
• 6:58:48
  hot topics like we have been doing for years, we can still
• 6:58:51
  talk about it just in more of a vloggy style.
• 6:58:54
  Y'all are going to start seeing how our house really looks.
• 6:58:58
  Tinkerbell towel that Paul uses on a regular.
• 6:59:02
  That's my favourite and this just horrendousness.
• 6:59:06
  You know what? That's what it's all about.
• 6:59:08
  Real life. We're not aesthetically pleasing
• 6:59:12
  all the time. The thing is, Morgan, there are
• 6:59:14
  plenty of influencers that aren't, but they pretend that
• 6:59:17
  they are. Am I just always going to look
• 6:59:19
  like a floating head? I personally call these misery
• 6:59:23
  vlogs because they make a big deal about how they want to show
• 6:59:26
  that they're being real and raw and that's just what life is.
• 6:59:29
  But I don't think that's what life is for the average person.
• 6:59:33
  I don't have this many arguments and stressors and cry this much
• 6:59:39
  in my day-to-day life. I don't feel this miserable all
• 6:59:42
  the time. If I showed you my real and raw
• 6:59:44
  life, it wouldn't be this. It would be boring but it
• 6:59:48
  wouldn't be this. Like this might be their reality
• 6:59:51
  but not everyone lives like this.
• 6:59:52
  So of course people are going to feel concerned for you because
• 6:59:55
  you look miserable, and if you see someone looking miserable,
• 6:59:58
  you feel concerned for them. You know, if I, oh God, if I did
• 7:00:01
  daily flocking, it'll be dull as anything.
• 7:00:03
  It'd be like I wake up, take Kyra out to play in the garden,
• 7:00:07
  come back, do some work, eat some food, take Kyra out, come
• 7:00:10
  here, do some work, maybe play some PlayStation.
• 7:00:13
  Maybe I'll go out in the evening, go to my writing group,
• 7:00:16
  come back, take Cara on a walk, go to bed.
• 7:00:18
  It's just quite boring. But that's my real and raw life.
• 7:00:25
  And yes, I'm dealing with a lot of pain right now, and that's
• 7:00:28
  making things a little harder. I'm napping a lot more, I'm a
• 7:00:32
  bit more grumpy all the time. But I'm not this level of
• 7:00:37
  miserable. I don't think this level of
• 7:00:40
  misery is normal. And I kind of feel like it's
• 7:00:45
  worrying that they see it as being so normal.
• 7:00:50
  What's even odder is that they seem very focused on primarily
• 7:00:54
  click baiting their misery, which sounds weird, I know, but
• 7:00:57
  it's like they know that people only watch them to see the
• 7:00:59
  arguments and the unhappy moments.
• 7:01:01
  So they're like, hey, let's make the most of them.
• 7:01:04
  Let's make our arguments and misery a giant feature on my
• 7:01:07
  channel, which feels very unhealthy.
• 7:01:10
  They have titles and thumbnails. Like I had to apologise, I'm
• 7:01:12
  sorry babe, this vlog gets uncomfortable, not happy and so
• 7:01:16
  on. There was also another
• 7:01:19
  absolutely wild and unexpected thing that happened at this time
• 7:01:23
  as Paul decided as a mid man in his mid 30s he was going to
• 7:01:28
  become a professional sportsman playing pickleball.
• 7:01:33
  Which sounds impossible but you know, since when did reality
• 7:01:35
  ever stop anyone? The pickleball era has been
• 7:01:40
  confusing and weird and confusing, but there are some
• 7:01:46
  positives. For example, it brought us my
• 7:01:48
  favourite ever video of Paul that even just thinking about it
• 7:01:54
  brings a smile to my face. It just makes me giggle.
• 7:01:59
  So he looks like a praying mantis holding a paddle and he's
• 7:02:04
  just so awkward and lanky and I feel like I would look the same
• 7:02:08
  if I was playing a sport. But I love it so much.
• 7:02:11
  It's just ridiculous. It's fantastic. 10 out of 10 The
• 7:02:17
  View. Sorry, the views on this Misery
• 7:02:21
  vlog series have been quite low so far and I feel like this is
• 7:02:25
  because unless they are arguing and causing a bit of drama,
• 7:02:29
  their videos are just very boring.
• 7:02:31
  In the nicest way, their lives are not that interesting.
• 7:02:34
  I think a lot of people watching are also very concerned in
• 7:02:37
  seeing the major disconnect between the two.
• 7:02:39
  Take this next video for example.
• 7:02:41
  They're reached just going about their day-to-day lives.
• 7:02:43
  But Paul is playing pickleball and having fun and he's all
• 7:02:46
  like, yeah, I'm so pumped. This is the best life ever.
• 7:02:49
  Whereas Morgan is literally on the verge of a mental breakdown.
• 7:02:52
  Her day-to-day life is like doing the hoovering and crying.
• 7:02:57
  I'm off for a back-to-back pickleball training, chomping
• 7:03:01
  down on a pro team bar. It's a great day.
• 7:03:06
  I'm pumped. I'm pumped to be able to do
• 7:03:09
  this. It has been fascinating, this
• 7:03:12
  journey. I feel like I'm learning so
• 7:03:14
  much. I the mental side is huge.
• 7:03:30
  OK, well, guys, it's been an interesting morning.
• 7:03:36
  I just really don't like it when my kids don't sleep.
• 7:03:40
  You know, Judah just doesn't want to sleep and he doesn't
• 7:03:45
  want to eat. I need to vacuum literally for
• 7:03:50
  days now and just like have not found a time and so fun.
• 7:03:53
  I'm like, OK, I've got to do this.
• 7:03:55
  So we're vacuuming our house right now because it's it's
• 7:04:03
  concerning to see. And if this was and this wasn't
• 7:04:06
  just a one off occurrence, this is like a regular thing for
• 7:04:09
  them. Their lives are so different.
• 7:04:12
  They're having such different experiences.
• 7:04:14
  And Morgan, I'm genuinely worried about her and her
• 7:04:18
  well-being and her mental health.
• 7:04:20
  And Paul, even though he's watching it all happen and he's
• 7:04:23
  editing these vlogs, seems entirely oblivious to it.
• 7:04:27
  The other concerning thing is that it feels like the main
• 7:04:31
  person who keeps getting stressed over and over and is
• 7:04:33
  miserable and whatever is Morgan.
• 7:04:35
  And whenever that happens, instead of comforting her and
• 7:04:39
  being there for her, Paul is very quick to shove a camera in
• 7:04:42
  her face and be like, let's unpack this on camera, you guys,
• 7:04:45
  real life, this would be an easy time not to film because there
• 7:04:48
  is some frustration that is in the air.
• 7:04:51
  But if we're going to vlog, we got to try to bring you in.
• 7:04:54
  So Morgan, you have not talked about the diet plane you're on.
• 7:04:58
  Do you want to go ahead and share it?
• 7:04:59
  Now? Ultimately she is kick things
• 7:05:02
  into high gear and she doesn't have a tonne of options of what
• 7:05:06
  she can eat. So I get home to do some lunch
• 7:05:10
  and Morgan is in a bad mood. Talk, talk to us babe.
• 7:05:13
  Well, he was late, I know 11301145 and he doesn't get here
• 7:05:19
  till 12 and I'm sorry and he's like, let's do lunch together.
• 7:05:24
  I don't know why you said that. Why did you say that?
• 7:05:27
  I just thought it would be good for the vlog.
• 7:05:29
  So I'm hangry now. It's been a hard morning trying
• 7:05:33
  to take care of Judah. I don't know what his dealio is,
• 7:05:38
  so I'm sorry about that. That stinks.
• 7:05:40
  And my food options are very limited, which tonight I'm
• 7:05:44
  eating whatever the heck I want. I'm not falling.
• 7:05:50
  I was supposed to go to the gym and I still am going to, but I'm
• 7:05:55
  so tired and I think I've been like, fighting off some sickness
• 7:06:00
  or another because my lower back and my neck and my shoulders are
• 7:06:05
  all just so achy. All right, guys, you can see
• 7:06:08
  that the hair has been fixed. I like to go to Schlotzsky's,
• 7:06:11
  Funny enough, they got pretty nice Wi-Fi in there, and that's
• 7:06:16
  oftentimes where I'll come. I do social media work for a
• 7:06:20
  local small business, so today I'll be editing and posting some
• 7:06:24
  content for them. I feel terrible right now.
• 7:06:31
  I'm almost home. I'm like, so I don't even know
• 7:06:40
  dizzy. My body is aching.
• 7:06:43
  I'm so frustrated. It's so stupid.
• 7:06:53
  It's so stupid. Like there's a bazillion things
• 7:06:57
  going on in this world that are just a million times worse than
• 7:07:02
  my body feeling achy and dizzy. And I'm very aware of that.
• 7:07:08
  So like just forgive me for my for me mentality right now.
• 7:07:15
  I just have been for the past three weeks taking care of two
• 7:07:23
  sick babies, trying to not get sick myself also getting sick
• 7:07:30
  twice in those three weeks. And now this is starting to come
• 7:07:34
  on also. I mean 3 periods within 5 weeks.
• 7:07:41
  My hormones are just what I can do.
• 7:07:48
  Sorry for being dramatic. I just don't.
• 7:07:52
  I'm just like can I just freaking feel OK for like can my
• 7:07:57
  kids and me just feel OK? Paul's been great and time,
• 7:08:03
  which I'm thankful for because I would suck, but holy crap so
• 7:08:09
  frustrating. It turns her emotions and her
• 7:08:13
  mental health struggles into content and again, that's
• 7:08:16
  concerning. It's hard not to feel bad for
• 7:08:19
  Morgan when you see this, but Morgan does it to herself as
• 7:08:22
  well. She will record herself crying
• 7:08:25
  and because she feels the need to create content all the time
• 7:08:28
  because it's her job. And it's hard not to feel bad
• 7:08:30
  for Morgan when you see this. But one thing I will say is can
• 7:08:33
  we please stop vlogging and driving and crying at the same
• 7:08:37
  time? Distracted, distracted driving
• 7:08:41
  is so damn dangerous. Can we just not do it?
• 7:08:59
  All right guys, all right, so the vlog took a pause.
• 7:09:07
  Just being real with you guys. I, we're still kind of in the
• 7:09:11
  midst of it, but we're getting it figured out.
• 7:09:13
  Like I can tell we're on the up and UPS even though it still
• 7:09:17
  doesn't feel amazing. Umm, we're on our way to dinner.
• 7:09:22
  I was really hoping to get my devotions in and get one more
• 7:09:30
  thing in. I wasn't able to do either 1 and
• 7:09:32
  it just kind of stunk. Like I felt like I really needed
• 7:09:35
  that devotion time. Uh, Morgan and I, our
• 7:09:40
  communication started getting rocky and just about 20 minutes
• 7:09:47
  ago as we continue our drive, we've been working through the
• 7:09:52
  stuff. All that to say, we're about to
• 7:09:57
  have an amazing dinner at Morgan's favourite restaurant.
• 7:10:00
  So that's a win 2. I have this new sweater that I
• 7:10:04
  wasn't sure what it was going to be like, how it was going to fit
• 7:10:07
  me. I'll see if we can get a little
• 7:10:10
  video while we're at the restaurant because this is a
• 7:10:12
  super fun, cool restaurant. But I love the way the sweater
• 7:10:15
  fits me. And on top of that, my sweater
• 7:10:20
  matches Morgan's pants. So it's an outfit match that we
• 7:10:23
  didn't even know was going to happen.
• 7:10:26
  This is what I mean about that weird disconnect between them.
• 7:10:28
  Like you're in the middle of arguing with your wife.
• 7:10:30
  She's clearly holding back tears.
• 7:10:32
  And you're like, you know what's a good idea right now?
• 7:10:34
  Let me pull out my camera and start talking about my jumper
• 7:10:37
  because that's real and raw. Stop it.
• 7:10:41
  This isn't normal. Morgan.
• 7:10:45
  Anything else you want to add in this moment of realness and
• 7:10:50
  reconciliation? We reconcile.
• 7:10:57
  Not really. Oh, and there we go.
• 7:11:03
  Have we reconciled? Not really.
• 7:11:05
  I to me, I feel like just talking through this stuff,
• 7:11:07
  Morgan, for the last 10 minutes has brought about just at least
• 7:11:12
  better understanding one another.
• 7:11:14
  And as often communication goes within marriage, you are
• 7:11:18
  thinking in one line of like tunnel vision.
• 7:11:22
  You have tunnel vision of like this is the situation and then
• 7:11:25
  the other person shares and it's like, OK, I at least even if I
• 7:11:29
  disagree with them and I'm still like, I at least see their line
• 7:11:35
  of thinking and it helps paint a, a bigger, fuller picture.
• 7:11:39
  So Morgan, I mean, I know we're going to get through it.
• 7:11:43
  I know that there still is some frustration with with the
• 7:11:47
  situation, but I'm willing and hopeful that we can go in here
• 7:11:56
  and have a great night and things just continue to mend
• 7:11:59
  themselves. There hasn't been anything
• 7:12:01
  that's been so big that I'm like, oh, the night is it's just
• 7:12:06
  going to be so rough. Like we're going to be fine.
• 7:12:10
  I think we're on the ups and UPS.
• 7:12:11
  We're going to park and head into the restaurant.
• 7:12:14
  Pray for us. And we have left love with you
• 7:12:23
  either they Mima. We were supposed to go bowling
• 7:12:27
  afterwards. I, as soon as we sat down at the
• 7:12:31
  restaurant, started just shaking with chills.
• 7:12:34
  I was freezing. I still can't feel my fingertips
• 7:12:37
  on my right hand. I was just shaking the whole
• 7:12:41
  time. It's like the Advil that I took
• 7:12:43
  earlier just like wore off and it just came in full force
• 7:12:48
  ahead, full steam ahead. Oh my gosh, I'm like still
• 7:12:52
  shivering. I have goosebumps.
• 7:12:54
  Paul gave me his shirt because it's not really helping.
• 7:12:59
  I mean, it's helping a little for sure, but so cold.
• 7:13:02
  This is what I've been saying throughout this whole video.
• 7:13:05
  I don't think they know how to be together when they aren't on
• 7:13:07
  camera. The camera, the viewer has
• 7:13:10
  become a third person in their relationship to its detriment.
• 7:13:13
  Isn't there rank cubes? Oh, she's grumbling.
• 7:13:16
  She's like, there's a third person in our relationship.
• 7:13:19
  Mum, they stupid camera. They still still doing work and
• 7:13:22
  play with me. And that's exactly what she's
• 7:13:26
  thinking. And yeah, and this pattern just
• 7:13:29
  continued to. And I kind of wish that Paul
• 7:13:31
  would realise that not everything in life has to be
• 7:13:33
  content and just listen to his first sentence here and know
• 7:13:37
  that I could not disagree more. I'm being honest.
• 7:13:41
  Vlogging is one of the last things that we want to do right
• 7:13:44
  now. I'm being totally honest.
• 7:13:45
  Like I know for especially Morgan, but oftentimes these
• 7:13:49
  times are the most appropriate times if we're just being real.
• 7:13:55
  The most appropriate times to vlog because it is showing the
• 7:14:04
  realities of life rather than like the Polish stuff.
• 7:14:08
  We just had our drive back from Cleveland, TN to Lexington, KY
• 7:14:15
  and it was horrible. It was derived from home.
• 7:14:21
  It was horrible. You know, I would like for you
• 7:14:24
  to share just your experience there.
• 7:14:29
  And, and I think we hopefully there will be some good stuff
• 7:14:33
  that comes out of it for our viewers and for us.
• 7:14:36
  Take the the camera while I take my coat off, baby.
• 7:14:41
  Let's just take a little feet, guys.
• 7:14:45
  And again, I'm not trying to like put Morgan on the spot.
• 7:14:48
  I'm not trying to make something bigger than what it is.
• 7:14:53
  But it was so excruciating and gut wrenching that I feel like
• 7:14:58
  we almost have to debrief. Like I I knew that we were going
• 7:15:02
  to debrief, but we're vlogging as well, so might as well
• 7:15:06
  debrief here. Go Morgan, tell him what
• 7:15:12
  happened. There's a lot.
• 7:15:15
  Well guys, so today is Sunday and I played with my brother in
• 7:15:25
  the four O. We went from game to game to
• 7:15:27
  game to game. There really weren't any breaks
• 7:15:29
  which is fine. But as soon as I was walking off
• 7:15:36
  the court from the last game, my mom was like jogging towards me
• 7:15:42
  and was like Luca just shove something up his nose and she
• 7:15:45
  was like trying to keep me calm and she was like he just shove
• 7:15:49
  something up his nose which he's now done like 3 or 4 times.
• 7:15:52
  He's OK I'm just I need to find the nose sucker so I can suck it
• 7:15:56
  out. And I was like that's not going
• 7:15:57
  to work. I got to go move your chair over
• 7:15:59
  this way. I was trying to get out of the
• 7:16:03
  so I you know, yeah, we had just lost like our last game that
• 7:16:06
  like was if we had won that game, we would have made it into
• 7:16:10
  the medal round or the whatever semi semifinal main draw
• 7:16:14
  elimination. Yeah.
• 7:16:17
  So that was like a bummer, but I like didn't even have a chance
• 7:16:19
  to process that because I was like booking it then to run to
• 7:16:22
  go help Luca. So I like literally run, cover
• 7:16:26
  his nose and blow in his mouth. It's not bubble thing pops out
• 7:16:30
  of his nose. Fruit strip.
• 7:16:32
  You each have the fruit strip up there.
• 7:16:33
  Then you know, we find out like we're officially done playing
• 7:16:36
  and so we just load up. We just load up and we head out
• 7:16:42
  and that was it. Well, and we had kind of
• 7:16:46
  contemplated what the best option was going to be.
• 7:16:48
  We knew she was probably going to get done around 6:00.
• 7:16:52
  And it was like, do we stay another night because it's about
• 7:16:55
  a four and a half hour drive? Or do we grab some food and then
• 7:16:58
  head back to Lexington? And I wanted to stay the night.
• 7:17:02
  She wanted to stay the night. I wanted to get back to start
• 7:17:05
  our, you know, weekly routine, get back for Monday morning
• 7:17:09
  stuff and also not spend money on another night.
• 7:17:13
  And I felt like we weren't, you know, we weren't going to get
• 7:17:15
  home super late. So I felt like it was very
• 7:17:17
  doable. She, I think was thinking more
• 7:17:20
  about the kids sleeping schedules, which I understand.
• 7:17:23
  I just had a very, very gut wrenching feeling that the drive
• 7:17:27
  was not going to go well. I knew that Judith specifically
• 7:17:32
  probably wasn't going to get amazing naps, which means we
• 7:17:35
  would have an overtired baby who doesn't like being in the car in
• 7:17:39
  general for long periods of times.
• 7:17:41
  And the timing was going to be super weird.
• 7:17:44
  And I was correct. I was freaking right.
• 7:17:48
  So the first hour, and I was optimistic.
• 7:17:52
  I knew there was potential for that.
• 7:17:54
  And to me, I kind of weighed things.
• 7:17:56
  It was going to cost again, more to stay another night.
• 7:17:59
  It was also unloading our stuff all in a hotel.
• 7:18:02
  We was just, I, I weighed things out.
• 7:18:05
  I decided, let's, let's get home.
• 7:18:08
  We'll get home at a decent time and hopefully the kids will
• 7:18:11
  sleep. And that did not end up being
• 7:18:13
  the case, particularly for Judah.
• 7:18:16
  Luca fell asleep at 9:30. Judah fell asleep at 10:10.
• 7:18:21
  So literally for four hours, Judah, you're all about the
• 7:18:25
  details and cried. No, it's it's part of the story.
• 7:18:28
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 7:18:29
  No. Right.
• 7:18:29
  And it's why it was a ride from hell.
• 7:18:31
  Yeah. You're all about the details.
• 7:18:32
  So I was going to say, as soon as we left the pickleball place,
• 7:18:36
  we ran to get food. I don't want to, like, over
• 7:18:38
  spiritualize it, but just this spiritual heaviness of kind of
• 7:18:42
  like, all right, here we go. We can.
• 7:18:44
  We can kind of choose mentally and spiritually and emotionally
• 7:18:49
  how we're going to react because it's probably going to be a
• 7:18:52
  rough trip home. Like I just was feeling that.
• 7:18:57
  I don't know, Were you feeling that or were you just kind of
• 7:19:00
  like already? Was your mood just tanking?
• 7:19:02
  I was already ticked off. Then we get on the road and
• 7:19:06
  Judah was in my mind, I'm thinking he's going to, he's
• 7:19:10
  going to wear himself out, probably cry some.
• 7:19:12
  And then go down. It was it was horrible.
• 7:19:18
  And I get it what you're saying of like something about when a
• 7:19:21
  baby starts not just crying, but like scream crying.
• 7:19:25
  There are certain times when that's just as a parent, really,
• 7:19:28
  really difficult to just on our emotions.
• 7:19:36
  And it's like a physical pain for me when I hear my children
• 7:19:43
  cry and, like, my brain is like, the neurons in my brain are just
• 7:19:48
  going fireworks insane. And I can't think or process or
• 7:19:53
  do anything. I cannot breathe.
• 7:19:57
  Yeah. And also in your mind, you're I
• 7:19:59
  I just know now how it all works.
• 7:20:03
  You're thinking about tomorrow. You're thinking about how this
• 7:20:06
  is not just messing up right here and right now, but the
• 7:20:10
  sleep schedules. You're you're very invested in
• 7:20:12
  their sleep schedules. It was just horrible like it, it
• 7:20:16
  was, it was probably the worst car ride of my life.
• 7:20:18
  And I just could tell from you and it it wasn't, it was a test
• 7:20:23
  in in many respects, but I could just sense it is you were not
• 7:20:28
  hiding your, your mental and emotional state.
• 7:20:35
  You were having a terrible, terrible time and I, I was
• 7:20:39
  praying for you under my breath. I just think this shows a lack
• 7:20:45
  of consideration on Paul's part for Morgan's well-being, both in
• 7:20:48
  the moments where they were driving and him not knowing his
• 7:20:51
  own kids needs and routines, but also afterwards where she's
• 7:20:55
  clearly emotional and exhausted. And instead of being like, hey
• 7:20:59
  babe, you, you go to bed. I'll get the kids settled, you
• 7:21:02
  know, and then let's have a snuggle and that'll, that'll
• 7:21:04
  make you feel better, right? Instead of any of that, it's
• 7:21:06
  like, now is a great time to work.
• 7:21:08
  I'm going to get out the camera and you are going to perform for
• 7:21:10
  several 100,000 people. Like why would you do that to
• 7:21:16
  her? I also feel very uncomfortable
• 7:21:19
  watching this because Paul is supposed to be talking to his
• 7:21:22
  very upset wife and asking her questions, but he's only ever
• 7:21:25
  looking at the camera and performing for the viewer.
• 7:21:27
  He's not actually being there for her.
• 7:21:29
  It's really awful to see. I mean, she even tells him she
• 7:21:33
  doesn't want to be doing this on camera and he just ignores her,
• 7:21:36
  carries on and puts it in the vlog.
• 7:21:38
  Anyway, The car ride was horrible, particularly for you,
• 7:21:45
  but for both of us. Do you you feel like spiritually
• 7:21:51
  just, is it too soon to even try to go there for you?
• 7:22:00
  I just don't really want to be processing this on camera, OK,
• 7:22:04
  knowing that we have a million haters who are going to make
• 7:22:07
  stupid videos about this, about us and our marriage and Morgan's
• 7:22:11
  sitting here, blah, blah, blah. Well, it's just a lot.
• 7:22:15
  Yeah, it's it Again, it's hard. It's some people are going to
• 7:22:20
  watch this and and probably not get it.
• 7:22:22
  Others, I think are going to watch it and actually have a
• 7:22:24
  tonne of empathy. If you want, we can collect our
• 7:22:26
  thoughts and you can, you can end it tomorrow.
• 7:22:31
  There's very little that can prepare you for moments like
• 7:22:33
  that. I'm just mad at myself for like
• 7:22:37
  a lot of reasons. I'm mad at myself for doing this
• 7:22:41
  pick wall tournament because it's just like not the time in
• 7:22:45
  my life to be doing this pick wall tournament stuff.
• 7:22:48
  Like, and so like I made it 10 times harder on me and everyone
• 7:22:54
  around us because they all had to watch my kids and like, why
• 7:23:01
  did I do the tournament? Like, what the crap was the
• 7:23:03
  point of that? And then I feel like I worked
• 7:23:08
  really hard to like play well at the tournament and I just didn't
• 7:23:14
  do what I hoped I would do. And it just sucks to lose so
• 7:23:19
  much. Like it just hurts.
• 7:23:20
  Hey, let me ask you this real quick.
• 7:23:23
  I appreciate you opening up. Do you feel like there were any
• 7:23:28
  moments in the tournament where you were like, wow, like this is
• 7:23:31
  I've actually am playing well and the work I've put in has
• 7:23:34
  paid off and I am enjoying it. Not really.
• 7:23:37
  Like I knew that I was playing well, but it wasn't good enough.
• 7:23:42
  And so that's just what sucks. But it's like, of course I
• 7:23:49
  wasn't good enough. I can't play every day of my
• 7:23:52
  life like I'm a mom, two kids. I feel like we shouldn't be
• 7:24:00
  watching this. I feel like I shouldn't be
• 7:24:02
  talking about it. But at the same time, they did
• 7:24:05
  decide that they want it out in the public eye and it is public.
• 7:24:09
  So hopefully at least by talking about it, we can express concern
• 7:24:15
  for Morgan and hopefully other people can learn something from
• 7:24:18
  this situation. You know, I know that I
• 7:24:22
  personally find it really hard to process things when you have
• 7:24:25
  10s of thousands of people watching.
• 7:24:28
  And for me, that's usually about like, you know, maybe I've made
• 7:24:29
  a mistake on something and it's really hard to analyse like
• 7:24:32
  where I've gone wrong and how to fix it.
• 7:24:33
  When you have like hundreds of people telling you conflicting
• 7:24:36
  things about it, you know, or like when people criticise you
• 7:24:41
  for things you can't help, like your health problems, Like I've
• 7:24:44
  had that a lot recently and people getting mad at me because
• 7:24:46
  I can't be on camera and stuff like that.
• 7:24:48
  And, and like I already feel so much guilt about that.
• 7:24:52
  So then when you have hundreds of people telling you that you
• 7:24:54
  should feel guilty and that like this pain and inability to do
• 7:24:58
  your work in the normal way is, is something like that makes you
• 7:25:02
  inherently less valuable and less good and a bad person.
• 7:25:05
  Like it's really hard. So I completely, completely get
• 7:25:10
  where Morgan's coming from. And I feel like they've got
• 7:25:14
  themselves into a really unhealthy cycle where they show
• 7:25:18
  their relationship is unhealthy. So people comment on it and then
• 7:25:21
  that upsets the more and the relationship struggles more.
• 7:25:23
  And then the more the relationship struggles, the more
• 7:25:25
  people talk. But then they think if we don't
• 7:25:27
  show it, people won't talk about it.
• 7:25:29
  And if they don't show it, they don't get views.
• 7:25:32
  And if they don't get views, then they're not making money.
• 7:25:34
  And then there's more struggles and it's just, it's a big bad
• 7:25:38
  cycle, you know, it's very unhealthy.
• 7:25:42
  So they have to show all this stuff at the at the detriment of
• 7:25:46
  their mental health and their relationship just to pay their
• 7:25:49
  bills. And there's something messed up
• 7:25:51
  about that. And I don't think it's fair.
• 7:25:54
  As much as we can criticise Paul and Morgan for their views and
• 7:25:56
  actions in the past, I don't think this is something anyone
• 7:26:01
  should have to live with. And it's a huge problem with
• 7:26:03
  like, being a slave to the algorithm, being a content
• 7:26:06
  creator, living life online, coping with the expectations
• 7:26:09
  people have this idea that negativity does get more
• 7:26:12
  attention than positivity. I think that is a big problem.
• 7:26:16
  And it's not so much a problem with Paul and Morgan.
• 7:26:19
  It's a problem with the entire online content creation sphere
• 7:26:24
  in general. It's unhealthy and it's not fair
• 7:26:26
  to them. And I don't really know a way
• 7:26:30
  around it or a way of making things better for them.
• 7:26:32
  I don't have a solution. It's just, I know that it's
• 7:26:35
  difficult. Anyway, this video obviously got
• 7:26:40
  a lot of backlash and their response to it has been
• 7:26:44
  interesting. So the video dropped.
• 7:26:48
  Yes, it did. And I have not seen that much
• 7:26:55
  hate, pushback. Is there another good word for
• 7:27:00
  it? There was a lot of backlash,
• 7:27:03
  more than I anticipated. Did you when we dropped that
• 7:27:07
  video, were you thinking yourself, oh, Paul, Paul is
• 7:27:10
  about to get lit up? No, Like, literally didn't even
• 7:27:13
  cross my mind. I don't know.
• 7:27:15
  Like, I knew that we had this, you know, argument.
• 7:27:19
  It wasn't even an argument. We just had this conversation in
• 7:27:22
  my mind. It was not an argument.
• 7:27:24
  No, it was not an argument. It was just like, we had this
• 7:27:27
  sit down conversation. And I cried on camera, which
• 7:27:30
  always makes people uncomfortable, But I was just
• 7:27:32
  like, yeah, every time you cry on camera, they turn on me.
• 7:27:35
  Claws ferociously out. True.
• 7:27:39
  One of the accusations is like, you guys are just how dare you
• 7:27:43
  over share or kind of like you're over sharing.
• 7:27:46
  And it's just gone off the deep end.
• 7:27:48
  And Paul wants to film everything.
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  And it's that's so funny. Well, in my mind.
• 7:27:54
  And please speak to that. I'm kind of like, here's my
• 7:27:57
  thought process, guys. And the repentance is coming,
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  OK? The repentance is coming.
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  And it's it's genuine. Not for me it is, it is genuine.
• 7:28:05
  It's coming in my mind. Here's what I'm thinking.
• 7:28:09
  We film these vlogs, we upload them to the Internet.
• 7:28:15
  If there's an opportunity in filming that where something
• 7:28:19
  real and deep and vulnerable happens in my mind, I'm like,
• 7:28:24
  and, and maybe maybe this like I need to be challenged some.
• 7:28:28
  And, and guys like there has been self reflection after the
• 7:28:31
  last video dropped. I've talked to some people close
• 7:28:33
  to me, but all that say like, I'm looking for an opportunity
• 7:28:39
  to go deep, to go deep with you guys and to show real sides of
• 7:28:44
  life that aren't squeaky clean. And so when that happened in the
• 7:28:48
  last video, I was like, great, let's share it.
• 7:28:52
  But man, I got I got burned at the stake for that.
• 7:28:55
  Well, I was one of the people who accused him of oversharing.
• 7:28:58
  And it wasn't just about that video about, and it wasn't just
• 7:29:02
  about that video, but about others as well, like the
• 7:29:05
  Instagram video when Morgan admitted to eating faeces.
• 7:29:10
  Can I just say I hit a really low, low point in my life today.
• 7:29:18
  I'm sorry I ate poop. I might have thought it was a
• 7:29:27
  tiny little droplet of beef jerky and before I knew it, it
• 7:29:36
  was too late. I had realised what it was and
• 7:29:39
  it was poop. It was a little tiny crumb of
• 7:29:42
  poo poo from one of my children's poopy diapers.
• 7:29:45
  At some point today, I don't know if I'm ever going to
• 7:29:50
  recover. I know.
• 7:29:53
  And The thing is, like, I get what Paul is saying here and I
• 7:29:56
  get his intentions, but he shouldn't be doing all this at
• 7:30:00
  the expense expense of Morgan's health.
• 7:30:03
  Put her mental health and her feelings first.
• 7:30:06
  Yeah. And then more recently, and this
• 7:30:09
  came out while I was in the process of filming this video,
• 7:30:12
  more recently, they've gone the opposite way of trying to be
• 7:30:15
  sort of like weirdly sarcastic with titles like Our Life is
• 7:30:18
  Perfect and Flawless. So I don't know, it just kind of
• 7:30:22
  feels like they never learn. Oh, and actually, I feel like
• 7:30:25
  the last thing to mention in this section is also that Paul
• 7:30:28
  has rebranded his polio channel, Polio to be called Pickleball
• 7:30:32
  Dad. And it's just short videos of
• 7:30:33
  him teaching one of the kids to play pickleball.
• 7:30:36
  It's fine. It's relatively inoffensive.
• 7:30:38
  Again, let's maybe not exploit our kids for views, but it's one
• 7:30:44
  of the least bad things they've done.
• 7:30:46
  I just thought it was worth mentioning.
• 7:30:48
  OK, we're here. We're finally on to the last
• 7:30:50
  chapter. Let's do this.
• 7:30:51
  This is the TikTok era, the very, very final section of this
• 7:30:56
  video, and I'm so damn glad we're here because this video
• 7:30:59
  has been a slog. The script and research took me
• 7:31:02
  exactly 4 weeks to research and write and complete.
• 7:31:06
  Filming has taken me a full week of on and off.
• 7:31:09
  I've been editing as I go and all this stuff like it's I'm so
• 7:31:13
  tired but we're here. OK the last section, Paul and
• 7:31:19
  Morgan are now trying to get big on TikTok with relatable
• 7:31:22
  relationship and family short content.
• 7:31:25
  They're not showing their bigoted side on there and
• 7:31:28
  instead are trying to be cute and relatable.
• 7:31:31
  And I'll admit they are doing very well with their views,
• 7:31:34
  although a few things don't add up.
• 7:31:36
  So for example, this video apparently has 108,000 views,
• 7:31:39
  but only 886 likes and nine comments.
• 7:31:45
  That doesn't make sense. You can't have like 100 and 1000
• 7:31:47
  views and nine comments. That's an odd ratio.
• 7:31:51
  Something weird is going on there usually.
• 7:31:54
  Some might say this is a sign of them buying views, but I don't
• 7:31:57
  even know if they have the budget for that.
• 7:31:58
  Maybe it's something like they are censoring comments because
• 7:32:02
  they don't want people calling them out for their past bigotry.
• 7:32:05
  Maybe they have a lot of people blocked.
• 7:32:07
  I don't know. I don't know what it is, but
• 7:32:09
  there's something weird there. A lot of their videos are
• 7:32:12
  interesting because you know how Paul has always been very
• 7:32:15
  against trans people? He doesn't like drag Queens.
• 7:32:17
  He doesn't like any type of cross dressing.
• 7:32:20
  He thinks men should be men and moon.
• 7:32:22
  And there's like men's clothes on women's clothes.
• 7:32:24
  But, but, but where? You wouldn't want to confuse
• 7:32:26
  that. Well, apparently that all goes
• 7:32:28
  out the window when he wants to dress in women's clothes for a
• 7:32:30
  joke on TikTok. Oh crap.
• 7:32:37
  Well, one of us is going to have to change.
• 7:32:39
  He's literally in drag here. The hypocrisy is off the charts.
• 7:32:46
  And this seems to be a theme, too.
• 7:32:48
  Do you remember all those men of the head of the households?
• 7:32:50
  Men should lead. Men should provide, like, all
• 7:32:53
  that nonsense. Yeah, apparently that doesn't
• 7:32:55
  matter if you can make a joke about Paul being useless and
• 7:32:57
  Morgan doing all the hard work. All right, babe, you just let me
• 7:33:00
  know if you start getting tired, and I will take over.
• 7:33:03
  Really. Of course.
• 7:33:14
  The rest of their popular content is just centred around
• 7:33:17
  outdated jokes that rely on a little bit of misogyny and or
• 7:33:21
  gender stereotypes. You know like lol women always
• 7:33:24
  nag lol. Women are indecisive lol women
• 7:33:27
  won't eat unless a man does lol Men are incompetent.
• 7:33:30
  It's boring, it's old, but apparently it's doing well for
• 7:33:34
  them. Hey babe, I think I'm getting
• 7:33:53
  the same thing you have. This
• 7:34:18
  is great. This is really great.
• 7:34:21
  I do have a question though, like do the people following
• 7:34:23
  them on TikTok and consuming this content know who they
• 7:34:26
  really are and what they're really like?
• 7:34:29
  I doubt it. Will this work out long term for
• 7:34:32
  them? Who knows?
• 7:34:34
  I mean, plenty of awful people do get really big on TikTok and
• 7:34:37
  make a hell of a lot of money out of it.
• 7:34:38
  Look at people like Ash Trevino, you know?
• 7:34:41
  So if she can do it, maybe Paula Morgan can.
• 7:34:44
  Maybe Paula Morgan can do it as well.
• 7:34:46
  Who knows? Who's to say.
• 7:34:48
  But I guess we will see what happens going forward.
• 7:34:53
  There's a few other random bits and have happened over time that
• 7:34:56
  I haven't really touched on. And I, I didn't touch on their
• 7:35:00
  latest Instagram content and stuff just because time energy.
• 7:35:05
  And there's a few things like at one point Paul and Morgan, I
• 7:35:10
  think I was actually mostly Morgan and Morgan was supposed
• 7:35:12
  to be writing a book about what parenting was really like.
• 7:35:17
  And she was apparently writing this book And it was called
• 7:35:19
  something like, can I just say, because she starts all her
• 7:35:22
  Instagram videos? And can I just say, And there
• 7:35:27
  was there was weird drama because they, they had a
• 7:35:30
  competition to be like, Hey, enter this competition and you
• 7:35:34
  can get a chance to design our book cover.
• 7:35:36
  And it was like, just pay your artists.
• 7:35:39
  Just like don't get people to do labour for free.
• 7:35:41
  Pay them One of my latest merch designs.
• 7:35:43
  I commissioned an artist for it. She's amazing.
• 7:35:45
  Her name's Amy. She did this incredible design
• 7:35:47
  for me. I paid her.
• 7:35:50
  That's what you do. So there was backlash for that
• 7:35:55
  and the book never came out. I don't know what happened to
• 7:35:57
  the book. I don't know if it ever got
• 7:35:58
  finished. She's still writing it.
• 7:36:00
  Who knows, Maybe it's just another one of their forgotten
• 7:36:02
  projects, but here we are. So in conclusion, what was the
• 7:36:08
  point of this video and what have we learned?
• 7:36:12
  I don't know, but I'm suffering. No.
• 7:36:16
  I hope that at least I've given you some more insight into who
• 7:36:20
  Paul and Morgan are and how they got to where they are today and
• 7:36:23
  who they are today. I do hope that I've kind of
• 7:36:26
  helped you see them in a more human like too, and that you can
• 7:36:29
  have a little bit more empathy for them than you maybe had
• 7:36:31
  before and also a little more empathy for people like them.
• 7:36:34
  If not, then you know. I feel conflicted with videos
• 7:36:40
  like this because I'm not sure they'll ever become nice people
• 7:36:43
  who genuinely care for others. I don't think this video is
• 7:36:47
  going to help or change Paul and Morgan.
• 7:36:50
  However, hopefully by seeing how they've lived their lives,
• 7:36:56
  people watching might be able to notice the same patterns in
• 7:36:59
  people they know or family members and step in to help them
• 7:37:02
  before it gets too late. Maybe you'll have a little more
• 7:37:06
  empathy for people you know who you've heard say certain things
• 7:37:09
  or act in certain ways. Maybe it'll give you an idea of
• 7:37:12
  how to speak to other people, you know, to help change their
• 7:37:15
  mind and help them be a little more kinder or more accepting of
• 7:37:18
  people. I don't know.
• 7:37:19
  And I suppose on top of all this, I want you all to think
• 7:37:22
  about the types of content that you consume online and how it
• 7:37:26
  affects both the people who make it and the people who consume
• 7:37:30
  it. I want you all to think about
• 7:37:31
  the types of content that you make, whether that's a YouTube
• 7:37:35
  video, a TikTok video, or you leave a comment or a tweet to
• 7:37:40
  someone or whatever it is. I want you to think about the
• 7:37:43
  impact that has on the people who are consuming it and maybe
• 7:37:48
  just be a little kind of with your words.
• 7:37:50
  I would hope that we can all, myself included, have a think
• 7:37:53
  about how we can all be kinder to each other and do more good
• 7:37:57
  in the world. I know, I know.
• 7:37:59
  It's definitely made me think a lot because I, I've in the past
• 7:38:03
  been a bit mocking to Paul and Morgan.
• 7:38:05
  I've been scathing and snarky and whatever.
• 7:38:07
  And I don't know, I guess it's kind of made me rethink my
• 7:38:10
  approach to them. And I do see them in a different
• 7:38:13
  light after all this. I've definitely got a lot more
• 7:38:15
  empathy for them. I found them weirdly likeable at
• 7:38:18
  times. And that was something that I
• 7:38:20
  didn't expect. Jokingly, Alizi says I have
• 7:38:23
  Stockholm syndrome. And she's like, no, you've just
• 7:38:26
  watched so much their stuff. Like they've convinced you that
• 7:38:28
  they're nice when they're not. And I'm like, oh, OK, But jokes
• 7:38:31
  aside, yeah, I don't know this. I I had the same thing when I
• 7:38:36
  made the girl. Define video, actually.
• 7:38:37
  Where? Oh, pain's getting bad again.
• 7:38:41
  And I found myself really enjoying some of Bethany and
• 7:38:44
  Dave's content by the end of it and being like, oh, they're
• 7:38:47
  actually, they're actually quite like nice people at times.
• 7:38:50
  And I, I like this content that they make.
• 7:38:52
  I like this thing that they do or like this.
• 7:38:53
  And then I was like, hang on a minute.
• 7:38:56
  And again, it's so jarring when you you start to like someone
• 7:39:00
  and enjoy their content and then you see them doing horrible
• 7:39:04
  stuff, like when Bethany went straight back into the, like,
• 7:39:06
  extreme transphobia afterwards. Or like, you know, when I'm
• 7:39:10
  seeing Morgan crying in a car about her fertility stuff and
• 7:39:13
  I'm like, oh, God, I just want to give her a big hug and tell
• 7:39:16
  her that like, you know, people are here for her.
• 7:39:18
  I feel really bad for her. And then like, in the next
• 7:39:20
  breath, she's like, you can't be at a damn people.
• 7:39:22
  Like, you know what I mean? You're like, whoa.
• 7:39:24
  Oh, OK. Jarring.
• 7:39:27
  It's confusing. It's yeah.
• 7:39:29
  I have a lot of conflicting emotions, so I don't know.
• 7:39:32
  Anyway, I feel like I've learned something.
• 7:39:34
  I haven't quite unpacked entirely what that is yet, but
• 7:39:37
  it's been a journey. And thank you for being here on
• 7:39:41
  this journey with me. Thank you for slogging through
• 7:39:43
  this video. If you've made it to the end, I
• 7:39:45
  appreciate you guys a lot. If you'd like to help support me
• 7:39:49
  in making more of this style of video or other videos in the
• 7:39:52
  future, then I do have Patreon where you can go and see some
• 7:39:56
  like extra content, some art videos, some behind the scenes
• 7:39:59
  stuff, some photos. I've taken all sorts of fun
• 7:40:01
  stuff over there. And at the higher tiers you can
• 7:40:03
  also get exclusive stickers and prints of art and photography
• 7:40:07
  stuff, which is really cool. You can also support me by
• 7:40:10
  buying merch. I've got some really cool new
• 7:40:11
  designs out. Or if you can't support me
• 7:40:14
  monetarily, which is absolutely fine.
• 7:40:16
  Then just sharing this video around can really help or
• 7:40:19
  subscribing or give me a follow over on Instagram can be great
• 7:40:21
  too. For now, thank you so much for
• 7:40:24
  watching. Thank you so much for giving me
• 7:40:25
  so much of your time and sharing in this journey with me.
• 7:40:29
  I appreciate you guys so much and I'll see you all again very
• 7:40:33
  soon.