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Why Kelis Left America to Buy a 300 Acre Farm in Kenya & Show Others How to Build Wealth in Africa · Earn Your Leisure

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  Speaker 3: Live from Kenya, would Calise on her one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty acres soon to be three hundred acres of land.
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  Speaker 3: And in the background you see this is actually a volcano,
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  Speaker 3: very rare, little known fact.
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  Speaker 4: So Calise, we're exactly are we at right now?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So we're in Naivasha. We're right off of Lake
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  Speaker 5: Naivasha and this is Mount langanat here behind this property,
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  Speaker 5: on the other side of the mountain is the National Reserve.
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  Speaker 5: This is all privately owned land here and it's great. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: because as you see, all the animals are free and
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  Speaker 5: they're running wild and we're farming, and it's just it's dope.
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  Speaker 5: Building a little community out here and.
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  Speaker 2: Talk to us about the intent.
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  Speaker 1: Right, we just walked in a sort of farm, saw
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  Speaker 1: some red onions, some yellow onions.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us about what's happening here, what's going to be coming?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So my plan is to do an all sustainable
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  Speaker 5: luxury retreat like a resort, so along with the farming,
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  Speaker 5: doing agriculture, but also having a wellness space so people
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  Speaker 5: can come and spot up and relax. We have a
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  Speaker 5: fine dining restaurant. We love bungalows. It's all just about
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  Speaker 5: being one with nature, being out here and trying to
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  Speaker 5: get keep it as part of the ecoism as possible
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  Speaker 5: and just making it all go together. So what I
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  Speaker 5: learned in California, I'm bringing here and I'm learning so much,
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  Speaker 5: Like I was telling you, I've learned so much about
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  Speaker 5: farming and just how to keep everything sort of as
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  Speaker 5: natural and using all the natural resources, the animals and
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  Speaker 5: all of it. So it's been great.
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  Speaker 3: So we're going to have the details, sit down conversation
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  Speaker 3: about those important to get people to visuals.
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  Speaker 4: So on this land, tell exactly what's on this land.
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  Speaker 3: You've got farming, you've got exotic animals, you have like
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  Speaker 3: what's does all encompass?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so yeah, we've got farming right now, we're farming onions,
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  Speaker 5: and then we've got wildlife. So just working with all
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  Speaker 5: of the natural resources. We've got giraffes and zebras and
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  Speaker 5: elons and impalas and all kinds of stuff. Sometimes you'll
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  Speaker 5: see get blessed with an elephant walking through and the
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  Speaker 5: giraffes are hanging out. So it's great because even like
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  Speaker 5: the Lake Naivasha, I think like December January, you'll see
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  Speaker 5: it covered with like flamingos and we get all kinds
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  Speaker 5: of owls and as. It's just it's incredible, literally like God's.
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  Speaker 4: Country, Alvin, what's this mean for Africa?
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  Speaker 3: Like to actually for people to visually see things that
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  Speaker 3: they might not have an idea even exists.
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  Speaker 6: I think we should just travel more, you know, East Africa,
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  Speaker 6: West Africa, Central Africa. There is so much to see.
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  Speaker 6: I just think we should also be more educated about
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  Speaker 6: what's going on in the world right now. You know,
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  Speaker 6: like you said, we have wild animals, eyl and dangerus species,
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  Speaker 6: but I just really want black people to work, to
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  Speaker 6: go to more, you know, just understand that, Like there's
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  Speaker 6: so much happening and we have to really travel and
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  Speaker 6: just not be afraid. You know, this was just over
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  Speaker 6: a year ago that we started having this conversation and
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  Speaker 6: everyone's out here doing research and this is going to
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  Speaker 6: be a beautiful project and I want people to just
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  Speaker 6: pay attention and you know, ask as many questions as possible,
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  Speaker 6: but also be a part of it. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were looking at a lake in front of
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  Speaker 1: a volcano. I mean, these are rare sightings in the world, right,
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  Speaker 1: So talk about the question that everybody he wants to know.
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  Speaker 2: Why can you?
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  Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, Kenya's everything. Kenya has everything. It is
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  Speaker 5: the hub of East Africa for technology and finance and
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  Speaker 5: obviously agriculture. It just has everything, and it's got kind
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  Speaker 5: of the best of all the world. So you can
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  Speaker 5: be completely far away that can rule planes like this,
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  Speaker 5: or you can be in Nairobi, which is a bustling
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  Speaker 5: city with great restaurants and shopping and things like that.
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  Speaker 5: So it's amazing. I think that for me, the takeaway
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  Speaker 5: is always like as the diaspora, like wanting people to
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  Speaker 5: see that, like it's super safe and you can invest money,
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  Speaker 5: you can be here, you can live here. I live here,
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  Speaker 5: and it's it's just got.
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  Speaker 4: All the things you need there. You have it, ladies
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  Speaker 4: and gentlemen. That's all right, all right, Yeah, yes, we
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  Speaker 4: are here EYL Live from.
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  Speaker 3: Kenya Studio Travels, Nairobi, Kenya. We got a special guest
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  Speaker 3: special episode Impromptu. We are with the legendary Calice.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. He thank you for joining us, Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: We spent so much time with you over the past
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  Speaker 1: couple of days. It only made sense that let everybody
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  Speaker 1: know what's happening here. So we are very appreciative for
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  Speaker 1: you to be here today.
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate being here. Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, So.
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  Speaker 3: As I'm sure you've probably seen on social and from
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  Speaker 3: the clip before this, that Colice is somebody that actually
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  Speaker 3: moved full time from the United States of America to
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  Speaker 3: Kenya a year and a half ago, and that's a
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  Speaker 3: story within itself. But since then, you've purchased a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of real estate, you own a lot of land, you
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  Speaker 3: become quite the mobile on this part of the world.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a lot to talk about from an aspect
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  Speaker 3: of moving. That's one conversation, but also from the real
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  Speaker 3: estate development, what you have going on, your future plans
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  Speaker 3: for your land, all that type of stuff. So okay,
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  Speaker 3: let's get into it. People know you obviously as a singer,
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  Speaker 3: as a performer in the United States and all over
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  Speaker 3: the world. It's surprising that you would move to Africa.
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  Speaker 3: For a lot of people, what made you want to
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  Speaker 3: leave Hollywood and go to uh Nairobi?
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  Speaker 5: Well, where do I even begin?
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  Speaker 2: We left New York out of that whole thing, shout
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  Speaker 2: out to New York.
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  Speaker 5: I have a New York I mean, well, God again,
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  Speaker 5: I think I own a farm in California. So I'm
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  Speaker 5: a farmer.
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  Speaker 4: And for me, just like, how'd you get into farming?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I went to culinary school, I went to the
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  Speaker 5: Court on Blue and I started cooking. And then for me,
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  Speaker 5: just wanting to be able to control ingredients and what
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  Speaker 5: I'm eating, and I'm a mom and so you know,
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  Speaker 5: you wanted kids eat well and kind of all that stuff.
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  Speaker 5: I just felt like I needed more education. So farming
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  Speaker 5: became that like freedom, Like how do I make sure
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  Speaker 5: that the ingredients and the produce and all the stuff
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  Speaker 5: that we're using is like legit like what it's supposed
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  Speaker 5: to be, right. So that's how I started. It was
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  Speaker 5: culinary school, then farm. I fell in love with farming.
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  Speaker 5: It was such a great experience, and then I really
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  Speaker 5: felt I felt powerful. I felt like, well, like I
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  Speaker 5: can actually like do this and can I feed my family,
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  Speaker 5: but I can feed the people around me because I
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  Speaker 5: would grow. I didn't have a farm away, I have
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  Speaker 5: now here, but like you know, I at fifty four
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  Speaker 5: acres in California, and I would grow like you know,
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  Speaker 5: kale and suspinach and that I would give it to
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  Speaker 5: all my neighbors. I would make bread, and especially COVID
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  Speaker 5: hit so kind of right before I bought my farm,
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  Speaker 5: then COVID hit, so the whole world was shut down.
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  Speaker 5: I was just home, so I was giving like veggies
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  Speaker 5: to my family and to friends. People were coming and
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  Speaker 5: picking up eggs, and I was like, yo, this is
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  Speaker 5: like real, like this is you know, especially the grocery
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  Speaker 5: stores were empty, and I just was like it just
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  Speaker 5: made me think, like this is so powerful, right, And
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  Speaker 5: like then I just started researching and thinking about like
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  Speaker 5: what that really looked like on a commercial level, because
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  Speaker 5: I was really just doing it on a small scale,
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  Speaker 5: and every image that I saw of a farmer just
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  Speaker 5: looked the total opposite of what I am right of
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  Speaker 5: like some old white guy, and I was like, how right,
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  Speaker 5: it's usually some indigenous land of someone else's and I
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  Speaker 5: just felt like that's so contrary to what it should be.
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  Speaker 5: And then I just, you know, kind of started thinking
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  Speaker 5: about where else can I do this? Like where else
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  Speaker 5: would I want to be other than California, And you know,
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  Speaker 5: few years went by, and I don't know, I just
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  Speaker 5: decided like, let's take a trip. And really that's how
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  Speaker 5: it started. I my sister and I when my sister
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  Speaker 5: called me and she was like, actually, if my sister
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  Speaker 5: called me and she said, I'm going to Africa, and
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  Speaker 5: I was like, well, I'll fund it right. My sister's
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  Speaker 5: a veterinarian, so cause I was like, you know, I've
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  Speaker 5: got three kids, I've got a farm, I have a business.
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  Speaker 5: At first, I was just like I could never just
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  Speaker 5: pick up. She's like, I'm gonna go. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: how long I'm going for, but I'm gonna go and
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  Speaker 5: just like look for land. She was like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I was reading and I wanted to follow the language
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  Speaker 5: of like you know our people and all these things right,
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, that's so dope. I love that.
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  Speaker 5: It just it seems so far fetched, like I can't
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  Speaker 5: just pick up my whole life. You know. We've talked
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  Speaker 5: about that, like and just go. I've got kids, I'd school,
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  Speaker 5: like all this stuff. And the more her and I
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  Speaker 5: started talking about it because I was like, I'll pay
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  Speaker 5: for it, I was like, you know what, why can't
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  Speaker 5: I go? I want to go. I was like, I'm
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  Speaker 5: gonna pay for this whole trip. I want to go too.
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  Speaker 5: So then it came into like, well, now I got
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  Speaker 5: to bring my kids, right because we don't hollng we're
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  Speaker 5: gonna be going. We figured a month at first, and
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  Speaker 5: I was like, well, I need a nanny because I
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  Speaker 5: have my nanny. And then I was like, well, let's
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  Speaker 5: just bring my mom. Then as my mom's gonna go crazy,
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  Speaker 5: I need to bring my auntie. So when I brought
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  Speaker 5: my mom my auntie so they can stay with the kids,
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  Speaker 5: and then me and my sister were gonna travel around,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, yo, we need to film this. So
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  Speaker 5: that's when you know, Manny the cameraman came in. And
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  Speaker 5: then it was kind of like if it came this
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  Speaker 5: whole and there was just this whole thing and ended
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  Speaker 5: up being what was a month. We packed for a
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  Speaker 5: month my staff at home. I was like, this is
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  Speaker 5: a month I'll be back, you know, and then it
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  Speaker 5: just we started. So I had already been to Kenya
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  Speaker 5: and to Zanzibar like five years before that, so I
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  Speaker 5: was like, I've already been there and Zanzibar is so pretty.
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  Speaker 5: I'll rent a house in Zanzibar. That way, I know
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  Speaker 5: my kids will be happy, they'll be at the beach,
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  Speaker 5: my mom and my AUNTI will be fine. Post them
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  Speaker 5: up there, and then that way I can start to travel.
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  Speaker 5: So that's where we started. So they spent like the
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  Speaker 5: first my family spent like the first month really in Zanzibar,
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  Speaker 5: and then as I started traveling around, it was just
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I need to bring them too, I
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  Speaker 5: was like. And then we got to Keny. I was like,
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  Speaker 5: Kenny's got something. I was like. So then I after
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  Speaker 5: a month, like a month and a half, I brought
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  Speaker 5: the I'm here to Kenya and then I kept traveling around.
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  Speaker 5: So that's really and then the next thing, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it was like six months later and I was like
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  Speaker 5: well I'm here. I need a place like im like
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  Speaker 5: I was spending all this money, you know, renting stuff,
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  Speaker 5: and I was like this is dumb. So then that's
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  Speaker 5: how it really just like I ended up here. It
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  Speaker 5: was never like the grand plan.
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  Speaker 1: It just sort of like, so you saw something in
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  Speaker 1: Kenya in Nirobi, and when does the convincing happen for everybody?
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  Speaker 2: Like, hey, this is going to be more than a
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  Speaker 2: six months thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then the next piece is all right, I was
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  Speaker 1: doing this in California, I potentially can do it here.
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  Speaker 2: How did that process work?
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  Speaker 5: Well, Initially we came out here, I was looking for land,
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  Speaker 5: not really just knowing what for even or like just
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  Speaker 5: was like let me get an idea. Right. Ever, since
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  Speaker 5: I bought the land in California, it changed my life
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  Speaker 5: and I was like I love this everywhere I go
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  Speaker 5: now I need to be standing on land that belongs
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  Speaker 5: to me. Right, So really it was like where can
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  Speaker 5: I Where does it make the most sense just thinking
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  Speaker 5: about like laws and what the culture of the country is,
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  Speaker 5: what the religion is, kind of all these things, right, Like,
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  Speaker 5: where could I really really be where it's not so different,
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  Speaker 5: but yet where I'm getting all the benefits of being
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  Speaker 5: on the continent, Kenya ended up being as I started traveling,
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  Speaker 5: even though Kenya was like the second place that I came,
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  Speaker 5: second or third country that we came to, every property
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  Speaker 5: I saw after that, I kept comparing to Kenya like,
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  Speaker 5: well they don't have this, and the kids were really like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, they're not going to have that, and how
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  Speaker 5: am I going to you know kind of all these
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  Speaker 5: things and everything just kept coming back to Kenya. So
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  Speaker 5: Kenya really was like before I even knew that I
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  Speaker 5: was going to get the land here, it was like
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  Speaker 5: every country like this place had everything right, it had
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  Speaker 5: all the things that I felt like I needed to live,
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  Speaker 5: like a normal life that I'm used to living, normal
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  Speaker 5: being what I'm normal, my normal right, and it was
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  Speaker 5: it just kept coming back to Kenya. Then it was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: well damn, now I need a lawyer. Now I got
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  Speaker 5: to figure out how do I not get like, you know, taken,
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  Speaker 5: or how do I make sure that I'm doing service
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  Speaker 5: to the land that I'm buying and kind of all
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  Speaker 5: those things, because I really, like I said, I came
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  Speaker 5: out here with no friends. I had nothing other than
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  Speaker 5: the people I brought with me and I didn't really
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  Speaker 5: know like.
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  Speaker 3: What was allowed even, you know, so that's a big thing,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, and a lot of people have horror
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  Speaker 3: stories if they buy land from somebody that already owns land,
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  Speaker 3: or they might have got swindled or all right, So
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  Speaker 3: you decide that you have a cultural connection, You like
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  Speaker 3: the vibes, it's modern. So you decide, Okay, Keny is
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  Speaker 3: the place I'm going to stay. But then, like you said,
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  Speaker 3: now you have to actually invest in buy property and
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  Speaker 3: then figure out, like you know, how you're actually gonna live.
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  Speaker 3: How'd you do that? Did you have like an advisor?
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  Speaker 3: Did you hire somebody to walk you through how to
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  Speaker 3: do this?
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  Speaker 5: So before I came out here really just like so willing,
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  Speaker 5: and it like I just started calling it like googling,
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  Speaker 5: like looking at real estate people right and just sort
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  Speaker 5: of whoever is the most responsive and seemed the most like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, made the most sense just talking to them.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, okay, well let me do that. And
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  Speaker 5: so actually the real estate person that we found out
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  Speaker 5: here was like, hey, you should talk to this lawyer,
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  Speaker 5: and I was like, yes, yes I should. That sounds great, right,
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  Speaker 5: And so I met this lawyer and he he actually
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  Speaker 5: had a property that he wanted to sell, and so
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  Speaker 5: I started talking to him and everything he was just
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  Speaker 5: especially here in Keny, he was so like monumental and
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  Speaker 5: really making sure that like I didn't get taken. He
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  Speaker 5: kind of just showed me the ropes of how like
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  Speaker 5: what not to sign for, what not to buy, what
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  Speaker 5: areas were just not good, and you know kind of
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  Speaker 5: all that, and so that was really I got blessed
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  Speaker 5: from the beginning kind of finding someone that was straight
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  Speaker 5: up and honest, coming to find out he's like super
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  Speaker 5: revertable lawyer and like this is great, So now he's
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  Speaker 5: my lawyer in Kenya. But like I didn't it was
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  Speaker 5: just from a recommendation of something being like, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 5: if you're really going to do this, you should have
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  Speaker 5: a lawyer. And I was like, yeah, I should.
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  Speaker 1: How was it adaptation to being in Kenya? Obviously you
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  Speaker 1: get the place for you, it's one thing, but like
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: you said, you have mom, mom's here, assistants here, cousin's here.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: How was it adaptation as a family in that first
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: year or so?
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: I think my oldest son was probably the hardest. I think,
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: just because you know, he's fifteen and he was just like,
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: what is happening here? I think that was the initial,
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: but I think everybody, everybody understood the mission and I'm
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: very like, you know, like I said, for me, it
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: was about how can we really live? So it wasn't
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: like we were like we came and it was so
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: foreign to you know what I'm saying. Like we was
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: like we were in a great apartment and it was
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: like we were going and doing the normal. So no
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: one was like it wasn't such a bad culture shock
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: at first where everybody was like what is happening? This
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: is so different. I think it was more so just
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: when people started realizing that we're staying. Like my oldest
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: son was like, wait, hold on, you know now. It's
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: funny though, because he gets it and he's like this
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: is amazing, Like I love it here, and he's got
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: friends and you know, he's on the national kineon swimming
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: team and like all these things like so we've made
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: a place for ourselves here. But I think it's really
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: just you got to put your best foot forward, but
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: you just have to like just sort of do it.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: And I think everything I do I do like that,
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: even the farm in California was the same thing we
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: came from literally like La, you know, to like this
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: dust ball of a farm that we had to make
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: into something. You know, Like I always had these panic
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: moments like, oh my god, what have I done? This
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: might not be a great idea, but it works out.
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: It works out.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: So as far as you have one hundred fifty eight
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: is in Kenya? Right, what is the process of buying
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: and you're about to get another one hundred and fifty
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: so three hundred Congression, congratulations. What's the process of buying
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: land in Kenya? Is it similar to like the United
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: States of America.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: It is the only thing that I would say was
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: really different that I had to fight with my American
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: business manager and lawyer about because they were like, absolutely not.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: Was you send them money? So okay, So obviously you know,
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: when you buy land in.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: The States, your title title search all exactly.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: And then you put the money in escrow and you
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: wait to make sure everything clear, know all of that,
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: whereas here, yes they have to be able to clear title,
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: but all that happens while your money is in an
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: account for the lawyer, which was completely foreign to me.
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: That was definitely like my business manager in the states,
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: like absolutely.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Not total a total amount you put in.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: You know, it's a deposit of like twenty percent. But
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: it's like there's it's a lawyer's account, right, so there's
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: no guarantee that, Like.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: It's like John Smith Esquire.
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: You're like, it's not like it's not an escrow account. Yeah, no,
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: it's Chase Bank. It's just like this personal with his
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: name on it.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Good luck. Okay.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: That was definitely something that was new, and that was
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: like like nerve racking. I think the other thing was
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: the best way for Kenya specifically is to set up
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: your business first, right, So that's what I had to
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: do before I could do anything. So all these like
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: kind of getting through all this stuff before I could
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: even purchase the land. But he walked me through all
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: of it. So now it's like okay, now it makes
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: all sense, and now I been able to buy more land.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: So first you come, you have to set up something
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: called a KR it's a care and so that's like
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: your pin number, right, So that's it. Yeah, and so
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: basically so you can pay taxes, right, so that costs
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: like a thousand dollars sor you have to do that.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: Then you have to. You have to set up your business, right,
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: and then you need a carrey for yourself and then
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: for your business because you need to get a working
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: permit before you can actually buy the land, right, And
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: that's if it's not going to be a land lease. Right.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: So I was able to buy the land in my
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: business name. So once you do that, that costs I
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: can't remember a few thousand dollars to do that, and
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: then you can. I would suggest getting someone to help
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: you expedite the work permit, just because if not, you
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: could be behind you know, a million people. But you
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: can basically pay an expedi or someone to help you,
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: which we also have for permits and stuff in the
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: States that will help you get your work permit quicker.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: And then once you get that, then you can actually
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: that's when you send the money to the lawyer and
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: then they'll hold it. That's when the property owner that
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: you're buying from is then get to check and see,
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: like make sure they're going to give all the documentation,
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: making sure that the titles and the actual name that
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: they're saying it's in and kind of all that stuff,
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: and that it can actually be sold and so on
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: and so forth. All in all, it took I guess
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: to buy the first plot. It was probably about six
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: seven months I think, to get everything like where it
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: was like, here's your actual title.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: You know, we'll just want to follow up because this
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: question people's going to have is it a mortgage system
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: out here or is it just mostly all cash?
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: So I've been told that you can get a mortgage.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: The interest rates are atrocious.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: We are today like, well, not that not too bad.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: That's all the places. Yeah, compared to some other country.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Pretty bad that we heard, I don't mean, could be wrong.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Well, I was like this is not this is terrible.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: I felt like this is all I mean, so you
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: can do it. It just feels to me, I just
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: was you know, I'd rather get something smaller and know
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: that I can just pay for it rather than you
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: know it just the interest rates were crazy. And then
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: also too because you're you're establishing, it's not as easy
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: when you're a foreigner, right because even here in Kenya,
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: like even though I'm now a resident and I have
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: my work permit so I can do business and do
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: all these things, I'm not I'm not a citizen. So
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: it takes seven years to get your citizenship, so it's
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: just more complicated, like even with a loan and all
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: that price. Just like but you do have to open
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: up a bank account. I forgot to say that. You
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: have to open up a bank account here and you
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: have to transfer. I forgot. This is annoying, So you
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: do it. You have to transfer. I've actually forgot about this.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: You have to put there's a number that they have
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: to put in a certain number amount of money in
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: the bank, and that's when they'll actually see if they
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: can clear. Because that's the thing, right, So if you're
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: coming here as an investor, they want to make sure
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: that you're actually investing. So you have to put money
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: in a Kenyan bank account and then they hold it
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: before any of the paperwork is done, before anything is done,
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: so you're kind of money you can't touch and you're
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: just waiting. It's like one hundred gand twenty one hundredand
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: in the bank just to let it sit there, right,
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: So they want to legit, yes, that you're really here
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: to invest. And then it's also like then even once
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: you do it, you have to give them a plan
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: of like what you're going to do and kind of
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: like how many people are you going to employ and
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: they want to make sure you know things like that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: It feels like the process of being a credited investor
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: in the States. Yeah, in terms of pricing, because I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: know that's something that people want to acquire about. You
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: had the advantage of having farming in California or having
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a farm coming to Kenya. Looking at the pricing, how
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: is it comparable for acreage? I know you got one
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty, which is a lie and we got
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the privilege of seeing it. How is pricing and how
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: did you navigate that? Understanding what would be a goodbye,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: what wouldn't be okay?
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: So very different than the States. There's not like a
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: comp like it's not like you're doing comps like they
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: could care less, Like you could be like, hut here
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: thirty million dollars here, no way, and they're looking at
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: you like what's your problem?
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: They don't care at all. So it's not like we're
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: you know, I could say this doesn't make sense for
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: like for this area or whatever. It doesn't really work
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: like that here. The value of land here is it's
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: just based on whatever the owner feels like it's worth. Right,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: because even like I looked at this like beautiful tea farm.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: And I was telling you, and they were like, we've
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: got great price for you, great price, and it was
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: like thirty million dollars and I was like shillings or
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you mean USD. They're like, no, lady, USD.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: And I was like, yo, that's crazy, right, and then
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: like no, no, We'll give you a family price eighteen million.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: And I was like not enough, Like you need to
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: go wait down and I think like and it was
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: a tea farm, and so I'm asking. I was like, okay,
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: well how much are you actually well, fine, you're producing tea.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: I get it, okay, so how much you what's your
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: revenue a year? And it just did not make It
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: didn't add up at all, like at all. But for them,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: it's like a lot of times the heritage land, which
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: I totally respect, I get that right. And if they
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: don't have to sell, then there's no motivation there, you
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: know what I mean. It's not like I think, it's
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: just a different system here, right, So you just have
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: to adjust to that. So there are deals one thousand percent.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: You can absolutely find land that is comparable. I would
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: say some parts of California, and like I keep comparing
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: it to like Texas, right, like you can get great land.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: I I heard like ten thousand an acre on it
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: is that.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's like it's good. Yeah. And then sometimes though,
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: like there might be land that's like ten thousand a plot,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: but it'll be because it's like they really value the road, right,
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: so like it'll be like things that we don't really
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: think about, but like if it's close, they'll tell you
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: how close it is to the main road, and the
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: closer it is to the main road, the higher the
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: price will be. So I've seen plots that are like,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: say you could go anywhere from like three hundred square meters,
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: which is like I guess the size you would like
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: build a house, right, And they'll be like it's ten
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: thousand dollars for that plot, which you're like, wait, I
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: just gilt buy a nigger for They're like yeah, but
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: not here, They're like, where's the road, yeah, exactly exactly.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: One of the things that a lot of people, especially
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: we're from ignorance, is how profitable farming can be. Right,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you said, we went to a tea farm, we got
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to see your farm, and we brought down the onion thing.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Talk about that and why people should really be looking
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: at this as a business opportunity.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Oh man, I mean like when you think about I
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: knew it had to be profitable because you see it
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: and you're like, these guys are doing it because it's
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: making money. But I didn't. I couldn't really wrap my
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: brain around it. But my lawyer again who's been super helpful,
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: he's a farmer, and he was like, I make way
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: more money farming. It's like this is a short fire.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: So he started to break it down for me. When
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: I started to understand, Okay, it's like this is something
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: that especially here because I think it, Yeah, really I
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: think here like this is so much agriculture like opportunities here,
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: and I feel like the younger people are not doing
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: it as much that they need it right, and so like,
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: for example, the reason I decided to do onions is
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: because a lot of you know, they were getting like
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: a year ago, they were getting a lot of the
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: onions from Tanzania, and then recently they kind of banned
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: the onions from Tanzania. So it's like they need onion
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: farmers here. I was like, I can do that, right,
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: So things like that but for example, like you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: after your costs, right, if you if you put in
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: five acres of onions, right and with everything, so you
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: got your with the exception of the borehole, which will
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: make your money back within the year. But say like
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: just all of your drip lines and all of that stuff,
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: right for five acres. If you once you spend all
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: that which is like say eleven thousand dollars, you can
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: make between let's say thirty conservatively to like thirty five
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: thousand dollars within let's say a quarter. Right, so at
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: minimum you have two harvests a year for only five acres.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: That's a good you can live on that, right, it's
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: a good living. And then say you add another five acres,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: like so it's it is actually extremely profitable. They're looking
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: for farmers. They want people to farm. It's such a
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: good opportunity, especially Kenya. Kenya has so much flat land,
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: you know, and it's great soil. This is Africa. Like
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: you throw a seed in the ground and stuff just grows,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like literally, like it's amazing.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: It takes. It doesn't take as much as we've ruined
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: our soil in the States, you know, and it took
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: me so much to I mean even thinking about that,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Like when I think about my farm in California, it
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: took me a year before I could plant anything because
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: the soil was so depleted and it was just so ruined.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Like I had to go through this whole process of
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: like fixing the soil just so I could grow stuff.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Whereas here it's like, I mean I could put anything
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: in the ground. You're like, oh, look it's a tree.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: You should see my backyard right now, a little in
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: an apartment. My backyard is like a jungle I have,
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: but I ended up. I've been here a year, right,
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: so I've banana trees that are like literally like twenty
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: five feet tall, and like I had to cover them
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: to keep the monkeys from taking all the fruit. And
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: I mean it's amazing, you know. So it's just to
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: show the difference.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Like, so I was gonna ask you what is the
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: process that actually said, because buying land is one thing,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: but having operational farms another that you gotta like have
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: an irrigation system, you gotta you know, I'm assuming, you
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: gotta plant the seeds, you gotta have people that's working it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: You gotta have pesticite control, perhaps you gotta put the fence.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Like I think people don't understand how complex farming. They
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: look at farming as something that's like especially people from cities, right,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: as something that's like backwards or something that. But it's
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: like a lot of people don't associate technology with farming.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: But that's like the first form of tech.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. It is farming, absolutely, And like I said, it's
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: also real money, right, Like it's real money. And it's
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: also like when you think about like food safety and
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: just like no matter what's happening in the world, if
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: you're farming, you've got this. I mean honestly, like the
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: only thing that's gonna be could be the weather, right,
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: But even that, like there's there's safeties that you can,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: you know, take to get around that. I mean, I
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: think like for me, like buying all this stuff, one
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: thing I have to say is that, like, especially in
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: the farming areas, people are people want to work. So
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: it wasn't even hard, Like I got an agronomous and
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: these are people would like full on like degrees in
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: agronomy and like farming stuff that I was just kind
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: of like fumbling through it, Like they really know what
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: to do, you know, and so I ended up I
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: ended up finding someone. It was very again, it's just random,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: like because Naivasha specifically is a farm area. So like
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: my car broke down and I was talking to the
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: mechanic and then he was like, well, this is a
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: good this guy's a good agriculture like he's a horticulturre.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: It's actually and I was like, okay, cool. And then
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: I talked to him and he was like I was like, well,
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: who can I have help me? Like really do this?
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: And he's like why no a guy? And I just
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: like what sapped him? And he was like, I'll be
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: there on Sunday. I was like great. But it's also
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: like you have to talk to people. You have to,
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: like some people are not gonna be as good.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: You just got to kind of get out there. You
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: can't be afraid to speak to people and kind of
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: figure it out. It is something you have to learn, right,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Like I'm still learning, but it's totally doable. One thing
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: I will say to you different here than anywhere else.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: And people are so willing to help. They're so well,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: I mean they really are. There's like no dumb questions
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: because I asked tons of questions and they're just so
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: willing to help and they don't want you to mess up,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. They're like, no, no, no,
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: that's terrible, don't do that, you know, and you're like, oh, okay, I.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Was going there because as you would talking and we
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: spent a few days together. I'm thinking, like, you're really
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: knowledgeable in this. So there's been an education process. But
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: even when we are with our drivers, they're knowledgeable about everything.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And how has the impact that the locals had on
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the process of you saying all right, I've got this acreage,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I want to add more.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: They gave me some ideas. I'm going to add this. Wait,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: how do I power this? This might be a new idea.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: How much is the impact you had on.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: You so much? I mean, when you think about even
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: moving to a place where it's like the people, That's
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: one of the first things that I fell in love
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: with here was the people, and like these people are
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: loving and care and they care and it's just from
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: the top to the bottom, Like you could be in
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: the mall bump someone and just how that interaction goes,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: you know, to really needing someone to be like I
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: need help. I don't know how to do this. Help me,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: do you know what I mean? Like, it's just so
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: it's so different culturally, I think from that perspective, it's
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: like welcoming, right, it's warm, and I think too, like
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: what I really appreciate and what's made this so feasible
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: is that there is a process. Even if it takes
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: a long time, it's the same. They'll be like, no,
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: this is what you have to do. You've got to
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: do this. And so when everyone keeps giving me the
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: same answer, you're like, okay, you know you're not being
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: taken for a ride. It's like, this is how you
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: have to do it. And so then it becomes like,
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: all right, well this is the way to do it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: This is how we do it, and they, like I said,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: what you don't know? People will help and even you know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: I'll talk to random people. They're like did you plant this?
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: And are you putting this around it? And oh no, no, no, sister,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: you got to put baking soda. And I was like,
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: I did hear that. They're like yeah, yea, yeah, I
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: put baking soda. If you don't let those but you know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: little things like that and you're just like, oh okay,
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: but they're always willing to help. So it makes something
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: that could feel really daunting and new, it makes it
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: easier because it's not like it doesn't feel like crabs
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: in a barrow where everyone's just like, you know, fighting
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: to win. It's like they're like, we're farren't we farm?
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: It happens you you can't drive up a road and
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: can you not see some sort of someone selling some
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: fruit or vegetables or something, right, Like, there's so many
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: things people are just they're farmers and so it's great,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: like you learn a lot just by regular conversations.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I feel like, so, what's the hardest part of farming? Right,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: even from you learning in America to now having a
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: farm and can like what is the heart dealing with droughts,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: keeping animals off your font? Like, what's the hardest part
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: that you had to figure out?
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: I think I keep saying that, Like my farm in
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: California was like my like training ground for this, right
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: because it was smaller and I had major pasts there too,
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: So like it's just figuring out, like, Okay, what am
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: I dealing with here? I think water has been a challenge,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: like the no rain is great, it rains so much here.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: I think getting like the borehole says like that system is.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: So what is that?
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: So borehole is like, well, right, so it's it's basically
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: they're digging into the ground and well, first you have
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: to get like a water analysis to see if there
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: actually is water there, right, So you'll pay someone to come.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: Then you need a geologist to check and make sure
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: like see what the rock situation is. And a lot
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: of people will say, oh, you don't need that. I
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: did it because I just was like I need to know,
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: like what's happening. It is an extra cost obviously, but
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: you need to check like if there's water there, and
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: then you need to have someone come. And what I
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: learned was someone will tell you like they can do
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: it for cheaper, but you don't really necessarily want that
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: because then your borehole is going to break down. And
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: so essentially there they come, they check the water, and
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: then they have to dig down between two hundred and
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: three hundred meters and then they put the casing in there,
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: and then you've got this pump that's gonna bring the
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: water up. It's like a well, yeah, it's like a
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: smaller well essentially.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: And it pumps up, but what is the purpose of
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: that to keep the crops.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: It wills to irrigate. And also because even if you're
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: gonna build a house there, you can need water, right
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: because a lot of the land that you're gonna buy
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: is rule right, so there's been nothing there before, so
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: you need to make sure because a lot of land
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: like there was. I was about to sign papers on
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: this other land and then I and the guy was like,
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: you should just check. And that's when I was like,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I wasn't gonna do the jelige, but the guys you
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: should just do it, and it's okay. I was gonna
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: keep doing it for all the land. I ended up
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: doing it. And he's like, there are these massive boulders
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: up to seven meters down, So my farming would.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Have been how much water is under it? Like does it?
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: It just depends?
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: So like for me, right now, that first borehole that
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: we saw that we just dug pulls up. It's like
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: ten point four cubic feet of water whatever every day, right,
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: So that's so then that's how we did the mask.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: And then I know they said that that amount of
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: water if you're continually getting that can cover up to
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: maybe ten acres. Me wanting to be on the safe side,
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: I decided to do five, right, and then I'll put
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: another borehole so I know that no matter what, we'll
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: have water. But that's also solar. So then you have
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: to figure outf you're gonna get a generator or if
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: you're going to hook into Kenya power, which is also
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: an option.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: One of the things we kind of like breezed over
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: was the animals, and you know we grow up at farms,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: is like, hey, hopefully these groundhogs don't eat this, or
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the birds don't eat it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: You have a whole different set of animals zebras.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: How is that navigating that and making sure that they're
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: protected because it was their land?
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Absolutely?
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. I think the thing that I've learned so much
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: about being here too, and it's funny actually even being
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: in California, is that there is a way and people
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: have been doing it for millennia. Right, there's a way
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: to farm and not completely like ruined the ecosystm, but
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: become a part of it. Right, And so like I
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: keep using this reference, I just think it's such a
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: good thing for farmers, like there was a movie called
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: Biggest Little Farm, and it just showed me so much,
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: right like, and it was basically this La couple and
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: I had to go and get this farm up in
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: northern California and like all the stuff that they combated.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: And I watched that movie right before I bought my
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: farm in California, right and then I get to my
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: farm in California and I'm fighting rabbits and gophers and
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: They're annihilating me, like they're digging me out. It was
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: so bad, right, So then I had to figure that out.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: So I came out here and yeah, there's a whole
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: different thing of animals. But the funny thing is what
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: we were out there camping and I just I saw
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: these massive rabbits and I was like, oh my god,
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: not rabbits. There's like my ark and my kids are like, mom,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: you literally selling like the guy from Peter Rabbit. Here's
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: I'm like, get the rabbits, you know. But it's you
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: figure it out, and it's the same kind of like
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: you know, I put up the fence more so so
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: that because you know a lot of times you find
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: that like if you don't have a fence yet, it
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: seems like, oh, this is all wonderful and nice, but
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: like you're putting good this is real money we're investing here, right,
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Like I've invested real money into this farming. And as
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: much as I love the elephants that I want to
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: make a space for them, I also need a space too, right,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: So I can't have them trampling through my farm, right,
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: And so we make a space for them right here, right,
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: And it's like you can go around it. It's like,
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: you know what, I think, that's that's kind of the
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: reality of it. It's like you can do it in
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: a way where it's benefiting the area. And so I'm
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: actually organic farming, so we're not using pesticides and using
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: all natural ways for pest control and all things like that,
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: so that it continues to keep the water supply good.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: We're going to put a watering holes that we have
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: that so the animal because there is no water in
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: that area, so the animals actually can come and drink
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: water there. So even though I've got this fence up
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: where I don't want them to trample my crops, We're
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: planting trees and all kinds of flower and funnel where
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: they actually which will benefit the area and benefit them
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: and the weather and everything there. Right, So it's you've
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: got to know where you're at, and it takes a
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: little time to kind of figure out what you're combating,
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: and then yeah, you got to put your money where
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: your routthers and you've got to make it work, right,
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: And that's that's what I'm doing.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: So you spoke to me about like how you didn't
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: feel comfortable like putting your money anyway a where it
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: wasn't like a black country, right, Like talk about that,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: like just that mindset of like why am I continuously
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: investing in Western society when I can help build Africa?
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: I mean it's really simple, right, Like I'm American. I'm
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: proud of that. It is what it is, right, I
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: never take that from anybody. That's what we are. It's
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: at the stage right now where it's like if I'm
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: continually investing in a place that doesn't make space for me,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: it just doesn't to me, Like it's not good business.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: It's just not right even if I still live there.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: If I'm gonna put my hard earned money somewhere, I
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: want to put it someplace where I can actually see
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: it grow and I can actually see a benefit, right,
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: Like I can do things here on the continent that
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: I can't do in the States, right, and even like
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: when I think about money going longer, right, and like
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: I can actually make a real impact here with just
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: being here, right and my time, my money, my energy.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: I think about my education, my worldliness, the things that
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: I've learned anywhere where I go. I like to think
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: that if I'm not benefiting, I shouldn't be there, right,
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: And so I genuinely feel that way, and being here,
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I want to be of use, you know
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: what I mean? Like I want to be It's not
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: about charity. It's about like being part of a culture
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: and part of a community, you know what I'm saying,
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Like nobody wants charity. It's about like, Yo, I'm here,
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: how can I be of use? Like put me to work?
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: Like what can I do? You know what I'm saying. So,
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: whether it's farming or just showing people that I'm here
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: and that you can invest and make businesses. I'm building
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: a resort on my property like that, to me is
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: what makes the most sense. I look at my kids.
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: I've got these beautiful black kids, and I put so
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: much energy and time and money and schooling into them,
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: and then I'm gonna give them to a nation just because, like,
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: shit on, it just makes no sense to me. You
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, that's my most valuable possession are
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: these kids. And then I'm gonna just be like okay,
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: hope you make it, like do you know what I mean?
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: Just like why you know? And then I have to
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: worry about them getting shot or getting arrested or them
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: It's just like and not that things don't happen everywhere,
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: because they do, and that's you know, we're being realistic.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: But if we can just take that out of the equation,
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: that when I walk into a place, they're not immediately
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: hating my bloodline and my lineage and everything that I
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: come from, everything that I stand for, Like that's worth
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: its weight in gold to me, you know what I'm saying,
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Like I want to I think in this error right now,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: forget the racial thing, just for when you think about
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: just like financial, what's the smartest move, it's the continent
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: without a doubt, Like, first of all, it looks like
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: esp I use Kenya as an example re because I
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: was living in California. When you look at like the
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: frontier right when people were like migrating from the East
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: coast to the west coast for the gold rush and
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: for mining and stuff. Right, that's what Kenya is like
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: right now. This place is so it's prepared, the foundation
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: has been late. It's ready to rock like it can
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: be a Really it's already an amazing nation. But if
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: we took the diasthora, if we put our money in
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: nations like this, it's unstoppable. Why are we putting all
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: our education and all of our time and all of
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: our energy and all of our money into a place
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: it doesn't have anything for us? You know what I'm
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: saying that for me to get I have to fight
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: for a loan in the States. Why I make enough money?
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Like it's dumb, you know what I mean. I'm like,
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: look how much money I make and they're like, ah,
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: well you need blood. I'm like, this is crazy. I'm like,
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: this is dumb. You know what I'm saying. I'm I've
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: been making money for twenty five years, like real money.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Why am I fighting for chump change in dumb interestries?
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: It just makes no sense to me. I'd rather take
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: the cast that I have and build it where I
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: know I can actually grow it, you know what I'm saying,
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Like I can make real money here. And we talk
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: about real legacy, right, whether it's politics or business or whatever.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: It is like these nations are ready. And a lot
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: of times when you look at a place like Kenya,
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: where like it was colonized, right, and so like when
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: the white colonization, when that hand gets lifted, they're kind
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: of just left right and everyone's fending for themselves. And
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: I'm like, we've been in the same position, you know
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying, But like, come here, it's the same.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: It's kind of it's like the same poison, different result almost,
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: you know what It's like, Come out here, put your
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: money here, and if you don't want to live here,
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: put your money here instead of investing in things that
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: there's a cap. There's a cap on our ceiling and
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: everyone's acting like it's not there, and it is. And
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: America is a little bit better than say Europe or whatever,
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: but like this is the future. Africa is our history
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: and it's our future. So to me, it's like it
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: makes the most sense to come and put our energy,
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: our intellect, our education, our time here.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was part of the conversation we were happening yesterday,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: it was like, I'm so happy that you're doing it
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: so that people can see it, and I'm glad that
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: we're being able to document it.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: You kind of.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Alluded to it a little bit just before about your
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: future plants for the land. Yes, it's farming, but it's
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: so much more. Talk about the resort, talk about the architecture,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the design, the purpose of it, where you're going with it.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: So I'm so excited about it. I was looking for
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: well First of all, I've been on tour for the
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: past twenty five years, right, so I've been in every hotel,
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: every five star resort, SPA, like you name it. I've
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: been up in it, right, And I was just like
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: anyone knows a hotel. I know a hotel, I know
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: a resort, I know a retreat. I know what I love,
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: I know what luxury looks like. And when I came
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: out here and I was like, Yo, this place is paradise,
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Like it's so beautiful and I found my land. I
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: was like, I want to do a wellness retreat like
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: I want to do like a place where it's just
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: black and luxurious and fabulous, and for me. Like I
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: was looking at like, you know, the amount of hotels
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: that are black owned, like at the level that I'm
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: talking about and just around the world, and there's not
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: that many. It's like a handful. And I feel like
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: the reason I was traveling around East Africa and I
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: kept traveling, I've been acquiring land throughout East Africa because
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: I want to be like a hotel group of just luxury,
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: a black brand of just fabulousness. And like that's why
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: I've got Rhonda and you know, Tanzania and Kenya, and
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: I feel like the dash really needs a place to go, right,
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: Like it's one thing to like, you know, call to action,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: but like where do we stay while we're acting? You
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like where are we eating? What
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: are we doing? Like you know, where are we decompressing
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: and kind of all that stuff and so on a
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: small field, I want to start there, Like that's the
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: plan is to do this like wellness retreat of like
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: food is medicine. I'm a chef by trade and a
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: farmer now and so yeah, wanting to be able to
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: make food. That's like we don't talk about it enough
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: in our culture. Right you look at like Black Americans
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: and we've got it's like the highest rate of diabetes
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: or women are It's just like all these issues, right,
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: which doesn't really make any sense. We're like, why is
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: this happening? You know, like we all live in the
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: same country. What's going on here? And we don't talk
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: about wellness and health as black people enough? Right, And
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: so I went to Cornell and I got my after
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: I went to the corner, but I went and I
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: got my herbalis and ethnobotany certification. So I'm official. So
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: that way I can start to talk about like our
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: health and wellness. So it's one thing to have money,
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: but how we're going to live along with our money, right,
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: So it's like that's all part of it, right, Like
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: I want to live well and it's about a sustainable
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: level of like lifestyle, right, Like what does that really
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: look like? And so that's what the whole like, that's
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: what the retreat is about. Like come, eat good, eat purposefully, relax.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Look at the giraftes off.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I want to tell you about the geothermal technology that
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: potentially could being changes the game.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. One of the things that's really dope about Kenya
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: also is the fact that they are so aware and
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: so ahead of the game as far as like sustainable
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: and clean energy, and so a lot of mostly even
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: my apartment building is all solar generated and it's a
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: big apartment building. But where the property is, it's right
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: at the base of Mount Longan, not which is where
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: the geothermal Like they have a whole geothermal plant. And
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: so the next step is to see if we can
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: power the entire property with geothermal energy, which is just
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: clean and sustainable. And yeah, so.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: And then was also you had mentioned as far as
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: the farm land, right, you're going to open up opportunities
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: for people to invest.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. So since I've been out here, I get so
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: many messages about people like hey, how do I do this?
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: And like it can be overwhelming, right, like it's a lot.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: And so I thought about I really when I started
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: doing the numbers, and I was like, oh, okay, well
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: I only need if I were to say I broke
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: up five acres and I've got obviously I have all
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: this land, right, I've got five acres where we can start.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: I only need for ten acres, I need one hundred
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: and thirty people, right, So if I have one hundred
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: and thirty people that would want to invest and I
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: can farm it for them, right, Because my girlfriend called me,
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: She's like, well, if I'm a land girl, will you
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: farm it for me? And I was like okay, I
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: had to think. I was, let me get back to you,
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: let me figure out what that would really take and
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: what would really cost, and like could I really do
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: it before I say yes? And I did the numbers
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, actually, I could totally do
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: this and this is and if I do it this way,
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: I can do it. So it's a really small investment
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: for people. So say, you know, if you do it
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: right now, for like I said, if I have ten
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: acres and I do it at it would be like
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: thirteen hundred dollars per person. I need one hundred and
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: thirty people for the year. By the end of that
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: year they would be farming, and then after that year
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: they start making money. So then it's also because you
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: have I'll hire more people, so you'll be hiring more people.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: You'd be paying people here in Kenya to farm for you, right,
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: and then you're actually being part of the community, even
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: if you're not ready to come out here yourself. But
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: it's actually financially feasible. I'm trying to make it so
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: you can actually try to co op. It's like a
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: cop Yeah, it's called we farm.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: So you pay thirteen hundred dollars. The first year is
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: just like a setup fee. Yeah, and then year two
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: you start to see some money, you'll start to spay.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: You guy to pay thirteen hundred dollars every year.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: No, so you won't have to give money again. And
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: even so the water and the salaries and things like
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: that will come off the top of your dividends. But
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: you won't have to give.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Me any more money one time payment, thirty time.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: Payment unless you want to do a larger plot, so
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: it'll be it's like three hundred square meters, which, like
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: I said, is like the size of a house, like
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: if you're building a house.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: One of the things we deal with, obviously in America
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: is taxes and property tax How does that work having
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: a farm in Kenya and throughout East Africa.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: So every country is different. Obviously, the taxes here are
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: a little less than the States, so they're like, you know,
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: it was like twenty percent or something like that. But
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it's like it's like anything else you
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: got to pay taxes, right, you do it, but it's
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: you know, it's doable, and it's all legit and you
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: can see it, and that's what you get your carry,
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: you know your pin number, and you just kind of
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: start to do business like that. I think the other
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: thing is when you start hiring people here, like there
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: are cuts and things like that because they want you
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: to hire locals, and so that's been a big incentive
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: just to yeah, you.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Know, because I'm thinking in terms of benefits, right, everything
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: you're doing here is clean obviously there when we have
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: clean energy or we get an ev there's rebates.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: And there's discounts. But doing that similar similar even.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: And I was talking to a friend earlier about it,
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: really just talking about like even if you plant trees, right,
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: so you get like carbon credits and so like every
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: little thing counts, right, so things like that. So with
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: a property in my size, like we're gonna be planting
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: tons of trees, right, so you can you let them
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: know what you've planted. Then you get carbon credits towards
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: what you know, which is just another tax break, which
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: is great. So things like that do exist, and it's
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: just about getting in there and figuring out like Okay, well,
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: how many people am I hiring? What is it going
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: to cost me? How many dependents do I have, you know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: versus like Americans that are coming in here and working
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: with its family or whatever kind of all those you
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: break that down. But it's doable, and it's I personally
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: it's easier than the States to be from that perspective.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: For you still have to pay tax in America too,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: for money I make in America. Yeah, not for money
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: you make here.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: No.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: So from an aspect of people that's looking to move
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: to Africa in any country, there's a few things.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Right, let's let's go through it. Schooling Yep, that's a
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: big thing.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: You have three children that are young, right, one teenager
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: and then two younger children. Talk about your experience with
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: bringing children out here and interrupting their schooling, interrupting their
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: social circle that they already had, enrolling them into a
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: new social construct and school.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: Okay, well, I may not be the best person for
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: the conversation. I'm not big on the.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: System to begin with, right, So school system I am not.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: I just never felt like it served us, and so
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: for me, I was always it was always adverse for me.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: My kids have been on tour with me since they
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: were born, so my system has been a little bit different.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: What I will say though, in Nairobi specifically, there are
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: great schools, like there are great schools, and I know
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: this really just because my neighborhood, like where my kids
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: where we live. My kids who I set free every
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: day and they just go and run wild with all
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: their little friends. They all go to schools in the
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: neighborhood and they're just bright and smart kids and they're
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: all it's like it feels like America in the sense
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: where like no one's behind.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: They're actually your kids at homeschool.
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: My kids are homeschool.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: But that's a conversation too, because a lot of people
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: in America want to start the homeschool process.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: They similar to that.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: But so that's interesting because you tak one of your
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: children is getting homeschool by artificial intelligence.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: How's that working out? Well?
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: I was skeptical at first, but my older kid was
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: in such a good program and it didn't start at
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: the age that my son is at, so I needed
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: to find something that I thought was comparable, and it's amazing. Honestly.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: What's great about it is that the AI system it's
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: a new system. It's called Fusion Academy, but basically it's
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: a new system, and it's it adjusts to according to
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: like what he's learning and what stage he's at. So
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: it's never just like brushing past something and be like, Okay,
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: we got to get to the next stage. It's not
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: rushing him into anything. So if he's excelling in writing
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: or reading, he could be in fifth grade even though
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: he's should be at a third or fourth grade level, right,
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: so it's not holding him back. It's accredited. And then
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: it makes it so that we can travel and I
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: can move, and I can they can see the world,
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: and to me, it's been the most amazing education my
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: kids have been. Their passports are crazy, right, Like their
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: passports will rival anybody. They've been all over the world.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: I can dip out to Thailand, I can go to
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: you know, like South Africa, I can go to Egypt. Like,
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: we can do whatever we want and it doesn't ever
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: interrupt their schooling. To me, homeschooling.
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: Is two hours a day, which really if you look
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: at real school, like the kids are in school doing
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: now for most of the day, it's like recess and
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: playing and it's like, what is happening here?
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I was a teacher for fourteen years, right, A lot
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: of time is wasted, though.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: A lot of time is wasted.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true, it's true.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Education is important.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you both spoke about homeschool and the other
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: thing that's important when people want to move is healthcare.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: And I think people really don't understand how powerful Kenya
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: is in the role that they play, especially on the
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: continent in healthcare. Give some information about the level of
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: excellence that is provided here.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm so glad you brought that up, actually, because
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: I didn't really understand it. And we have such a
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: negative connotation to the continent that we were like, so
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: we've we've been so fearmongered, right, So just to put
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: it in perspective. Okay, So again, my lawyer who's out here,
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: he is a very successful dislike he's great. You actually
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: should meet him. He's really fantastic. But he's great. But
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: he was telling me that his mother or grandmother got
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: very ill and they were terrified, so they brought them
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: to the States to get all the meta help that
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: she needed. He said, when he brought her back, he
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: was so appalled because he was like, the mount the
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: amount of money that he spent, the effort bringing this
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: woman back and forth was already ill. He was like,
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: when he went to the doctors here, they were gonna
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: do the exact same thing, and she ended up doing
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: the second round of chemo and everything here, he said,
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: it was exactly the same. Their facilities are exactly the same.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: Since I've been here, I've had an MRI. My sister
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: actually is having surgery this week. My cameraman had a
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: root canal. Like literally, the Kenya has some of the
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: best healthcare. It's cheap, it's great that doctors are fantastic.
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: It's different, like for me to walk into every hospital
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: office and talk to a black person who's gonna talk
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: to me and not talk to me like I'm stupid.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: I've had more diagrams driven like drawn for you, like
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: they're like, let me draw it for you, gona let
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: me help you out because you're not good like it's
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: been so it's just there's a sense of peace and
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: it's it's actually like it's really good healthcare and quite frankly,
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: around the continent, people travel to Kenya and South Africa.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: That's what I keep hearing everyone's going is how they're
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: ever or Kenya to get healthcare. So Kenya has really
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: good health care and it's like really affordable, like my
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: MRI costs. I think it was like forty bucks. So
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: you have health insurance, no, I pad by, it's so cheap.
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: You can get health insurance here. You can get it here,
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: it exists. It's so cheap though, Like when my cameraman
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: got his ROUC canal, he said it was like a
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: full root canal. They did the X rays, like the
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: whole thing. The office is really nice. I think what
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: he said it was like two hundred bucks.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: That's that's a different just because most of Americas are
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: not used to just paying a doctor, right, they used
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: to paying health insurance. But we know how expensive that
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: can be.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: Well, the other thing is like I can text the
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: doctor and be like hey an he answers and they
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: answer like and there's just a certain sense of like
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: pride and like I think a lot of times I
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: feel like in the States everyone's so kind of jaded
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: and you know what I mean, like just they don't
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: care anymore. Here I feel like there's such a sense
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: of pride, Like these are like I'm Kenyan, I'm a
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: doctor and I will help you.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: And who was telling us about when I think it
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: might have been in Riwanda what they were saying, like
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: the doctor come to your house.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: Literally, I've had doctors come to the house like for sure,
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: like when my little one had a fever, like and
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: they're just glad and happy and like it's just a
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: different it's so different. But health career is actually really good.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: And I was like, I was skeptical just because of
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: what I'd heard just nonsense about Africa, right, and you're like,
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: what are you gonna get?
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: And it's legit, Well, another misnormal when it comes to Africa,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: like even when we started spending a lot of time
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: going to Gone and stuff like that.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: It's starting to break now.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: But for a long time, people in America, right black Americans,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: they were like, well, they don't want you in Africa.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: They're not going to treat you well, you're not going
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: to You're not you're going to be accepted as that,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: You're gonna be treated like an outsider. That's a an
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: ideology that has permeated throughout America different parts of the world.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: How has that been for you?
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: I'll be honest. First of all, Kenya to me, I
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: feel like out of a lot of the countries is
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: and Ghana, I will they actually are the most welcoming
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: fact where like gen no real genuinely it's true where
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: they're well. But there's a reason though, right, It's because
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: they know, they're aware, so they understand the history. Like
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: you'll go to certain countries and they're like, we don't
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: know what you're talking about, slave to whom? And why
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: and where? And why should I care? And I don't
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: know what you're talking about?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: I think as Americans, we assume that everyone knows our
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: history and they don't, right, and it's not their fault,
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: like they weren't taught our history. So while we walk
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: around with this like chip on our shoulder, like this
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: has been terrible and you guys should know that it's
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: been terrible. And I'm here because I don't love word,
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: you know, and they're looking at you like what is
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: that chip? What is that about? Right?
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: So that has happened in America and they don't know
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: the history with Africa.
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: They have no idea and that all they see is
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: TV and they see us rolling right, and they see
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: us ball and they're like, why are you mad? What
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: are you mad about? The first time I came to
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: the continent, I was about seventeen and I was in
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: Zimbabwe and I was spending three months there, and they
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: kept saying they were like the angry the angry American girl.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: They didn't even consider me black, and they're like, she's pissed, right,
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: And it was like such a weird It was such
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: a strange exchange me. I'm like, this is so crazy
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: because I'm nothing but black. In America, it would nobody
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: cares what you're mixed with. Nobody cares, right, you were black,
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: that's it. So I've been black my whole life, so
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: it didn't make any difference to me till you come
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: out here and they're like in South Africa, we're in Zimbabe,
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: like you're a goffle, or you're a mazoong gu, or
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: you're a colored or you're all these other things. Right,
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: most of the time, it comes from just not knowing,
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: And this is your opportunity to let them know. You
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like, I don't walk around with
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: the chip on my shoulder. I am American. I'm very,
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: very profoundly aware of our struggle, but I also understand that,
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: like their perspective is so different, right, They're like a
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: lot of times you talk to people and like they're
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: on their land. This is like this is their grandma's
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: land and their grandpa and then they're great and they've
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: been on this land forever. So they look at you
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: and they're like, yo, what's your beef? Why are Americans
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: so mad?
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: And they have no idea. And then also they look
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: at it like the same lie that we've been told,
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: like how we subpar here. They've been told that America
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: is the land of dreams and that we're all living
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: it up in it. Everybody's just rolling in dough and
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: popping champagne all day. So we've got this massive disconnect
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: about who we actually are, you know, And so you
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: can't really it's like we don't know, they don't know.
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: Somebody's gotta let everybody know, right.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I think that's why it is so important that you're here, yeah,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: and that we're having this conversation because it sheds light
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: it changes narrative. Obviously, you've had an amazing music career,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: but do you feel the magnitude or the importance of
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: what you're now doing in Kenya in terms of business
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: and farming and infrastructure. Do you feel the weight of
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: that or it's just like, you know what, I'm kind
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: of living in my purpose.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: I think both. Yeah. Like I came out here again,
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: not with some grandiose like idea. I started documenting it
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: because every time I went anywhere, I was like shocked,
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: and then I felt dumb. I was like, I've traveled
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: so much, Like why do I feel so ignorant? Like
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: this is crazy? Right, I've been around the world. Why
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: does this feel so new? And I just I would
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: like film this. I'm like, you got this is beautiful,
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: this is amazing, or this is delicious, or look at
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: this lady's outfit or whatever it was. I would be like,
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: just I wanted people to see it. I was in
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: shock and in awe, and I felt like if I was,
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: then the rest of my people didn't know, right, Like
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: I'm like, how did I not know this? Right?
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: How did I not see this? So I didn't come
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: out here like I'm going to show everybody like you. Yeah,
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: it was so it couldn't be further from that. It
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: was just me trying to figure my own shit out.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: But once I got here and then and then Kenyan
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: specifically loved TikTok so, like people were coming up to
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: me and they're like, yo, I saw what you're doing
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: on TikTok. I love it. And that's when I started
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: to realize that people were even caring because I'm I'm
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: a Black American. I think in Black American terms, I'm
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: always thinking about my folks back home, right, I'm like,
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: I want to show my people, like, oh, what's happening right,
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: And like it wasn't until Kenyan's and Rondon's and Zambians
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: and people were like, yo, we love what you're doing,
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: Like I see this. This is so good people.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: That's when I was like, oh shit, this is like
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: a real thing. I'm like, okay, this is like a responsibility.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: Like it didn't hit until it hit, you know.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: So from a travel standpoint, you've been all over the continent.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: What's your top five places that you've been to and.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: Why Kenya obviously? Okay, So Kenya is the more travelers.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: It has everything right literally, anything you want to do, families, kids,
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: you want to go out, great cocktails, it's here like
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: beauty and safety and kind of like you know, just
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: order RNDA partying and like just acting a full Uganda.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: Oh it's got a great nightlife. Let's see Zambia, Zambia,
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: and like Zimbabwe for just like natural wonders. You're just like, wow,
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: this is insane. Right, You've got like Moscio Tuna also
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: known as Victoria Falls WHI people not acknowledge that name,
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: but you know the waterfalls and like you've got it's
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: just like so amazing. You feel like you're like one
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: with nature at all times, right, is absolutely stunning. Of
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: course Ghana Wow food, I was getting there. Relax. So
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: Ghana has some of the best food, I would say
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: on the count.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: In the world.
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it does. It's it's and it also feels and
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: I will say this being that I'm like Caribbean also,
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: it feels them closest to homes like nothing there felt
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: like my family got Puerto Rico and Barbados. So for us,
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I hate this. I was like, okay, I
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: do this. I can make this feels like home. The
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: people also are lively and loving and warm. One of
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: them not so much right now, but the rest of
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: the country is great. I mean also too, I think
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: being like you know, I'm used. I have so many
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: Nigerian and Ghunnan friends that like. It also just felt
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: really like home. It felt so like nothing felt.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: Foreign or different or like you know about South Africa.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Okay, so South afric Here's the thing. I always I
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: never pull any bunges. I always try to be honest
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: South Africa. Cape Town specifically is one of the prettiest
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: places on Earth. Fact, it's very white, so that doesn't
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: feel like Africa to me. So the reason why I move.
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: Everyone's like, why don't you move to Capetown. It's tempting,
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: super tempting. It's super tempting. I'm like, I can just
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: put my money here. But then I'm like, okay, I'm
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: playing myself. I'm playing with so total hypocrisy.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: But it's like gorgeous, right, But it's like they always
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: take the best stuff, right, It's like it's just like
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: you got beach, you got It feels like California in
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: the sense where it's like you could be up in
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: the mountains in snow, you could be on the beach
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: in crystal clear water, you could be at the wineries.
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: Like.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: Cape Town's just stunning. Joe Berg has a lot of
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: culture and a lot of vibe. It's just not the safest.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: But like music, when I think about like for me
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: as an artist, like every time I'm there, I'm just
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: like the music is like electric, right, So there is that.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: Zanzibar is. Zanzibar is beautiful. I personally now I prefer
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Dianni and Mumbasa and like the whole coast of Kenya
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: just as far as like safety and cleanliness and like
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: it's the same water, It's the same Indian Ocean in
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: the same beach. But yeah, I mean I think every
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: that was the hardest part about buying land was like
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: every country has something so dope and special to offer, right,
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: Tanzania is robust and lush and it's just like so
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: much greenery everywhere. Right, everybody has something to offer, so
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: really just got to pick a place, just put some
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: money in it.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, when you name the top five, it's interesting.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: We met in Kagali last week and I'm thinking to myself,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: what is the strategy when you're trying to invest.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Is it that I'm looking for the greenery? Is it
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: am I looking for the education? Healthcare?
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: What are the things when you're looking to say all right,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: here's why I want to buy land because I know
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: you've got land in a few countries.
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's like you gotta figure out what
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: your priorities are, right, I mean for me, like I
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: like I said, I look at like government. Kenya has
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: a democracy. They you know people there's people speak out
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: against things like those are things that I was used to.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: So when I was thinking about like culture, shock and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: what I was going to be able to, like what
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: I want to raise my kids in, that was like
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: a logical choice. Right, education, all the things that we
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: need or hear. If you're looking for rule and a
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: little bit less developed. In my opinion, Tanzania is a
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: gold mine. It's absolutely stunning. There are a lot of
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: the diaspora there already in the Indaro Salam. You know
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: there's like you look at Zambia. Zambia is more rule,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: but again people are I know Americans that have gone
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: to Zambia to mine brilliant. I'm not a minor, but
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: it's brilliant. Dude. What I'm saying like that just wasn't
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: what I was going to do, but I get it.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: So when you look at things like that, like they're
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: coming in they're putting money in. Zambia has sons of
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: copper and all kinds of other stuff, right, So it
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: just depends on what you're into. The easiest countries to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: buy stuff in though, is definitely well Rondo without a
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: doubt in the sense that they have a no like
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: no nonsense policy, right, so you're never gonna be taken
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: like it's just it's not gonna happen. Put your money
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: and you're gonna get what you put your money in.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: For Kenya, I think is it takes a little bit longer,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: but it's like really straightforward. They're like, these are the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: things you have to do, and it's like no games, right,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: so that makes sense. Tanzania is a little bit harder
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: because they want someone from like if you don't have
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: people there, they want someone from Tanzania to be part
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: of the business with you. So that's the decision you'd
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: have to make, right, every country has something, you know,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: there are certain countries that will work with you. They
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: just want Americans to come and they understand the power
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: that we have are buying power and that will bring others.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: Zambia is one of them, you know, like they want
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: to play, they want to play. So they're like, what
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: do we do to help you? So it just depends,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: you know, Kenya To me, like I said, as far
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: as like a first time, it was the easiest, Like
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: this all made sense to me, Like I understood all
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: the process. There's, like I said, only a few things
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: that I thought were like I don't ever want to
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: send them that money, you know what I mean? Like,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: but then I did it and it was like totally legit.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: And I asked around before I did it, and they
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: were like, no, that's the way we do it, because
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: I'm like, are you just trying to get men to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: send them money?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: But then once I did it, I was like, okay,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: I mean it wouldn't be the first time.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Send the money track, So I actually this as far
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: as you're doing a lot with real estate, right from
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: the agriculture standpoint, investing anything in the entrepreneurial space, like
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: business outside of real estate, well yeah.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: I've got so I've built two apps since I've been here.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: We'll talk about that.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: Well. The first one is something called chech check. It's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: a security app. Actually, it's just sort of one of
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: the things I noticed about like all of the buildings here,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: they have a very like antiquated system where it's like
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: it's a book. I just thought like, I don't want
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: to write all my information on this book. So it's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: really just a simple way to kind of streamline and yeah,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: because everybody has a check in process here, right, so
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: things like that, and then the other app is in
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: it's in the works right now, but it's another kind
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: of like like a a work app, right, because when
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: I came out here, I was like, well, how do
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: I find a nanny? How do I find a housekeeper?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: How do I find how do I buy a car?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: Because kind of all those things, right, So it's like
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: sort of an information hub for people like me that
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: would need help finding these things, you know. So they
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: don't have anything like that here. So when I came
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: and I was like, well, how do I find a nanny,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: They're like, oh, the un has a has a bulletin
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: board you have to go and and I was like,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to the US, Like that's I don't
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: even belong to you.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: I don't even let me.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like that's just not like so like
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: you know, you think about like a care dot com
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: type of thing, but like for kind of the whole
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: sort of nannies and housekeepers and gardeners and the things
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: that you need just to like have, like to get
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: your life started, that kind of thing. But when I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: was looking at to you know, I looked up like
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: Kenyan app developers and like this is young all Kenyan
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: team of guys is that like really inexpensively and affordably
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: built this very proficient app for me, and so it's doable.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: So I'm doing things like that. I'm in the process
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: of manufacturing my wellness and beauty products here, so that's happening.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: I can't let you leave without talking about music, right
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: we were talking before, you like, I don't have to
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: go to America to make my music.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: It's here.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: I can do it here. I can get mixed and
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: get massive talk about the music.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: So I started recording my last record in California, and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: then I obviously dipped, so I had to finish and
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: so I did the second half of my record all
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: here in Kenya. So I recorded it here. I used
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: a lot of I use some South African producers. I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: have an East African engineer. Like it just it all
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: came together. Everything's here.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: Why does that come up.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: I'm releasing my single this summer, so it's been then
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: probably top of the year for the whole record.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm glad you talked about the APS too,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: because that's not the thing we didn't talk about. But
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Kenya as a tech hub of Africa, so that's another thing.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: People need to be aware of the technology. Sometimes that's
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: another misconception. People automatically assume that it's going to be
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: a drop off in technology, and we all are relying
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: on technology, so that's a deterrent. Like I don't want
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: to have to deal with one g Wi fi and I'm.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: Not, like no, I mean you see it right, Like listen,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: I watch my Apple DD every day and like my
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: internet works, like everything is good. It's completely like it's
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: as modern as it quite frankly, it's probably better here
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: than it was and my farm in California, like you know,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: all like you get all of the and even like
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: when you know, when I was talking about you're saying
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: the tech. They have a whole tech city. It's like
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: you know, Silicon Savannah that they've been building and I
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: don't know how long it's gonna take, but like just
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: the idea that like there are people going to school.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: I have a kid who works for me that helps
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: me out with stuff, and he's getting his degree in
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: all kinds of engineering and tech, and like you have
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: everything here. So like it's a whole young community of
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: people that are super capable and it's really modern and
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: like I said, you can build it. Took it like
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: a couple a couple of months to build my app,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: What I mean.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: Like, and they're they're ready and they're down to do it,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: and they're completely capable.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: We were driving earlier today and we were trying to
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: figure out where we were and they were like, oh,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: they're across the street from the Microsoft building.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: So when we say it's here, it's here.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: We've been talking to the drive and he was like,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: in terms of data centers and we talk about you know,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: companies building them, Meta, Google, Amazon, Apple, they're here, right,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: and they have the engineers working here, and so again
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: tech hub for sure, but like the innovation is here
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: too because the populations so young. When they get this information,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, the trajectory is so far greater.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: It's amazing. You feel it though, I think, like, I mean,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: you guys, like this is your first time here, right, Like,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: do you feel the energy here?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: Like you can sense that, like this is a place
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: where like things are growing fast and happening fast. Like
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: I always say, it's like this is like our the
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: diaspora's gold rush, Like everybody needs to come here because
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: there will be a point when it's going to be unattainable.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: Like I look at the land that even that I bought,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: it's already appreciated. Like if I were to sell with
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: the little bit that I've done right now, it's already
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: a quarter more than what I it's instead it's actually
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: less than a year that I bought it, right. It's
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: just everything is happening here, and it's happening quickly, right.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: And so it's like I saw something and it's like
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 5: this old white billionaire and he's like, you're half for
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: girls the future, and it's like, sir, first of all,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: you know, it's like I feel like it's frustrating because
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: I feel like they always know it, and then we
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: doubt it, you know, and then by the time we
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: figured it out, it's always too late. So it's like
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: this is the time. Now, this is a place where
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: you can invest and you can see returns quickly and
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: actually be of use and actually make a dent in something. Right.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: It's not a rat race.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: Thank you for you.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: It's home for the website. I think want to get
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: on more information on land, like how they can buy
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: a piece and anything else.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: For sure. Well definitely just follow me, you know on
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: Instagram at Cales and then you Hi, you follow me
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: on Instagram a Calse. I'm always talking about it. I
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: am setting up website we firmed, so I'll start talking
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: about it on my social media so you can start
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: to see when that's up and running. It's going to
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: be really soon though, and there will only be a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: certain amount of places to start because I'm starting small,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: like I said, one hundred and thirty people. But yeah,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: definitely just check me out and go to bounding and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: full dot com and get your stuff.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: Do you have it, ladies and gentlemen. A wrap on
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  Speaker 8: Homeland Security. Under President Trump, attempted illegal border crossings are
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  Speaker 8: at the lowest levels ever recorded, and over one hundred
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  Speaker 8: thousand illegal aliens have been arrested. If you are here illegally,
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  Speaker 8: your next you will be fined nearly one thousand dollars
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  Speaker 8: a day, imprisoned, and deported. You will never return. But
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  Speaker 8: if you register using our CBP home app and leave now,
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  Speaker 8: you could be allowed to return legally. Do what's right,
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  Speaker 8: leave now. Under President Trump, America's laws, border and families
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  Speaker 8: will be protected.
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  Speaker 4: Sponsored by the United States Department of Homeland Security,