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#35 | Adrian Sandoval [Desire Arts] · Corpus Christi Originals Podcast

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  SPEAKER_04: What's going on, y'all?
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  SPEAKER_04: Cops Christie Originals Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_04: In this episode, we had the pleasure of having as our guest Adrian Sandoval of Desire Arts.
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  SPEAKER_04: You've probably seen him around on Instagram and TikTok and at Art Walks, uh, holding it down with the graffiti team and hip hop team and all that type of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_04: But here he is talking a little bit more about what he does and a little bit about himself.
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  SPEAKER_04: Hope you enjoy the episode.
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  SPEAKER_05: Alright, so welcome to the show, man.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_05: We had somebody cancel, you friggin' fired it up.
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  SPEAKER_05: You're like, yeah, let's go.
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  SPEAKER_05: So appreciate you coming on the show, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is uh I like to share my ideas and stuff of what I have going on and what I have planned and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, this is a my first time doing a a podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, what they picked me in no way, I'm just a little fucking shrimp in a boat.
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  SPEAKER_05: No, that's good to hear, man, because uh I like to get people on that that have that reaction.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's cool to know that they have that reaction, it kind of brings me joy, you know what I mean?
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_05: I had I had a lady on a while back, uh Casa Creations, you might know her, but she was like the same way.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, she was real nervous about it, like, man, just talk up, just be yourself, you know.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, she was nervous too.
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  SPEAKER_05: So yeah, but yeah, man, I appreciate you coming on the show.
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  SPEAKER_05: I asked you on the show, honestly, to because you uh you're aspiring, bro.
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  SPEAKER_05: Like your your content, the stuff you're trying to do.
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  SPEAKER_05: I appreciate that, man.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: You got a brand going.
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  SPEAKER_05: I got a brand going.
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  SPEAKER_05: I was like, Oh, cool, there's another dude in the city kind of doing the same stuff, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh uh, but you the you and then you got graffiti, you got shows, you got pop-ups, you know.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um, you want to share a little bit about that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I've been doing uh graffiti for about 12 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: I started, well, is it 12?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 2012.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's when I started doing graffiti.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I've been an artist before that, and then um my brother was actually doing illegal like tagging and stuff, and I I would get pissed off because my younger brother, I was always trying to be like the bigger bro watching out for him, and uh he would be tagging and stuff around around town, and I would see his tags and be like kind of pissed off, like, dude, don't be doing that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then my other friends, we grew up skating and stuff, so we were all in like that skater little group and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah, I would get pissed off at my friends and my brother, like, dude, y'all guys, y'all can't be showing my little brother this.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's he's looking, 12 at the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Y'all, I don't I don't want y'all influencing him with this, and then uh my brother used to order like magazines and like other other canvases and stuff from other homies around town.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, the the magazines he would order, I I forgot the name of them, but um I started flipping through those magazines and I was like, whoa, there's actually like some art in this graffiti that looks dope.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because like I said, I I've always done like artwork and and not too much canvas, just pencil whipping stuff, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: And um so I was looking at these magazines and I got like super heavily influenced by the the the graffiti guys doing produ we call them productions on the walls where a whole like group of um uh group of us come together and we just put like a storyline on the on the wall, like a scene, a movie scene or uh an action scene of something, um and we call it a production, and we all just collaborate on the wall.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was seeing those on on the magazines, and I was like, dude, that is intense.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I want to get into this, I don't want to get into like the tagging type stuff because I thought graffiti was just tagging, I would see bubble letters and scribbles and stuff on the walls, and yeah, and then yeah, so moving forward, um yeah, I started doing graffiti.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was all a hypocrite and stuff like that, but I started doing graffiti, of course.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did the scribbles here and there, but I that like faded really quickly, and then I started um messing with the letters with letter bending, manipulating the letters and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, fast forward, um then I I got into the art walks uh-huh back in like 2015 or 16.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I started getting into the art walks.
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  SPEAKER_01: That went that's when the art walk was free, or I think was free.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: They would just tell us to pop up in the in that um the artisan park area where that tunnel's at downtown.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right where people street is.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it used to be like an old subway, or you could go down there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, so we would all set up right there, and I would just throw a table out, put my my canvases up, and people would buy them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, What people actually appreciate my artwork?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like dope.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it wasn't much.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was getting maybe 20-30 bucks for sitting out there for six, eight hours, something like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I was like, dude, somebody actually likes my artwork.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's that's dope.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, I've been doing shit pop-ups for many, many, many years.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've done hundreds of them, and then uh I ventured out to different towns, out of town, and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, that's that's that's cool, man.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so so you're from Corpus originally, yeah, yeah, born and raised.
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  SPEAKER_05: Okay, cool.
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  SPEAKER_05: What schools did you go to?
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  SPEAKER_01: I went to Hamlin, Cullen, uh Ray.
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  SPEAKER_01: I live right down the street from Ray.
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  SPEAKER_05: So nice, nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I live in that same neighborhood I grew up in.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's cool.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, uh same, same for here.
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  SPEAKER_05: I went to Ray for three, graduated from Miller High School.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh, I grew up near Swanner, um, kind of uh by the stripes that's right there, right there, right there.
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: And then now I'm a little bit further down, six points, uh kind of behind sound vibes and the melt the post office right there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: But still kind of the the same area, I guess you would you could say.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's cool.
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  SPEAKER_05: So so I guess right what you what right out of high school, that's 2000.
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, did you start learning in in high school at 2012?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I graduated in 09, so I was a skater kid and just a a pothead, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh in in middle school, high school, and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I didn't I was just into the artwork and stuff, and uh yeah, man, that's after after high school, I graduated in 09.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I said that, but um, after high school, that's when I ventured into like the graffiti scene, I guess you can say.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was a it, I guess I don't know, a lot of the legal graffiti going on back then.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I think we're the only city in in Texas who takes graffiti as a felony.
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  SPEAKER_02: Crazy, bro.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because they made one of my friends an example, they gave him a fucking harsh like sentence.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, how what was the sentence like?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I think it was like eight years or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god, dude.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I'm not sure how much it serves, but when he got out, we we welcomed him back.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's good, man.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's good.
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  SPEAKER_05: Wow, so I guess there's only you're only limited in the legal spaces you can you can actually yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's not really an express area, like, dude, I've gone to multiple different cities from like way down south, uh where the valley's at, all the way up north.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I've gone to most even the small little towns, they have a community wall where you could just go out there and paint.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, of course, you gotta you gotta know the locals out there and like, hey, what's up?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it cool if I paint or not?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then yeah, that shit, they just community walls.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wish we had something like well, that's like kind of one of the goals I'm working on right now.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's why I started uh so you're so so the goal is to to be able to have more more that type of stuff here?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's is to get um like incentive-wise or or how do you say it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um just get the help from the city, like, hey, let's start a petition where we can build a public wall for all the muralists and the street artists and the shit, all the creatives, pretty much just to go out there and express ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's cool.
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  SPEAKER_05: So have you got oh go for it?
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  SPEAKER_05: No, have you got the ball rolling on that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like have you started that's why I started these uh these uh how can you say I started being a part of the community more with the art walk.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, I was doing the art walk for many, many years, and um I had never seen well, I've seen it a couple of times where they would do live painting and and breakdancing and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I brought it up to their attention, like, hey, like let me build a wall out there while I'm like vending and stuff like that, while I'm doing my pop-up and do some live painting.
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  SPEAKER_01: So little by little it started I started in uh May of last year, May or June of last year, and I pitched that idea to the downtown district, and yeah, that they loved it.
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  SPEAKER_01: They love I showed them examples from other cities, like the little pop-up, not the pop-up walls.
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  SPEAKER_01: I kind of like build my own thing all out of love, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: Build the walls, build the the brackets to hold up the walls, the L brackets, I guess you could call them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um got the plywood.
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  SPEAKER_01: I purchased everything out of pocket because I'm just I I love this shit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, so I invited some homies out there and I said, Hey, let's uh let's do some live painting for the city while we're at this heart walk.
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  SPEAKER_01: So little by little it just grew and grew and grew, and then um yeah, we we just build the walls up there every first Friday of the month.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, right now we're on a break till March, but every first Friday of the month from last year, we would uh build the walls and then break them down at the end of the night.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, there was a lot of people like kind of like irritated, like, hey dude, like why don't y'all leave these up?
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, we can't this is public parking.
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  SPEAKER_05: So these places, these places that have like a wall or like a designated area or whatever, is it like city-owned, like the places that you've been to, or is it like uh somebody owns it, or some of them own it, some of them are like um like the owner, the owners of the buildings just like hey, y'all want to have fun, go for it.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Just clean up your mess, be responsible, be respectful, and then uh y'all have some free play, pretty much.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_05: Damn, that's awesome, dude.
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  SPEAKER_05: Man, that's that's pretty cool.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, tried it out.
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  SPEAKER_05: I mean, maybe pencil or whatever, but I was like kind of more into the music aspect of art or whatever, but I still enjoyed art.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_05: Like I took an art class of here and there, and so man, I definitely love what you're doing, what you guys are doing, and I just hope the best for you guys, man.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, man.
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  SPEAKER_05: So do you feel like um since there's since there's it seems like there's not a lot of ways to make money in like graffiti or whatever?
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_05: Do you find yourself going into other aspects of like say mirror muraling, or how do you, you know, do you look for commission people to commission you, or how do you go about uh that type of stuff?
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like being a graffiti artist, we're not looked at like contemporary artists, I guess you can say.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um we're not really wanted.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, in the past few years, it's been it's been accepted more in the community, um, not just here, but worldwide, because they're looking at it more like um an art factor, like this piece behind me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I added a sugar skull.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love sugar skulls.
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  SPEAKER_01: I add them in a lot of my pieces.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um yeah, looking for for commissions is kind of hard with the style that I do have because it's more of like a grungy type, uh, I don't know, like um just street street style.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you could say, but um it's it's picking up.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not doing as many commissions right now.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I haven't done them in a while because I'm just focusing on personal projects and personal endeavors.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just um I see that it's taken away like I in the past I've done a lot of like digital, like graphic designing um commissions on walls on canvases and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's like it takes away that I don't know how what 20, 40 hours to create those designs or commissions or or or pieces of artwork takes away from my little projects that I want to complete.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: So as of this year, I'm not gonna take any commissions unless they're like appealing to my style, or they just give me free range of like, hey, we're gonna pay you and you just have fun.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, right.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Then I'll do it.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that that's always the the cool commission.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, cool, man.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_05: So so you're the founder of Desire Arts.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh so what's what's what is desire desire arts?
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's um I make a lot of like artwork on canvases.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: I put my artwork on stickers from digital stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I put them on stickers on little button pins for the jackets.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I just started making apparel like shirts and hats uh last year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I make my real popular items are coasters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let me find them right here on the table.
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  SPEAKER_01: But these coasters, I make handmade ceramic coasters.
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  SPEAKER_06: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, they have epoxy over them.
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  SPEAKER_01: But those are my bigger sellers because they're a little cheaper, cheaper things on on the table, other than my like originals and and stuff like that.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's it's just art projects that I that I could like put out there for the public.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like right, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like appreciate my art.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_05: That's cool, man.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_05: It's and it's and it's like a side holster for you, right?
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_05: Because you have a you have a day job.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a I got a family too that I gotta support.
• 14:53
  unknown: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not all about the money, it's just about sharing my art and and creative like projects and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I found a way to hey, I can make some money off of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, and then people come up to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, dude, I I got this canvas or I got this coaster as a gift from one of my friends.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, dude, I didn't know this was you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's what I love hearing, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_05: Cool.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's awesome, man.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, dude, that's awesome.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, so what else?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_05: Uh let's see.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_05: So you make artwork, you have you have your family, man, you're married, right?
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_05: You have any kids?
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: I got one kid, she's five, she's at school right now.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_05: All right, right.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_05: She's at school.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and then you work, so you work nights.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_05: That's gotta be tough right there.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: The schedule between the family and then the work life and and then the the side hustle, I guess you could say, it's kind of kind of hard, but I I I squeeze as much time in as I can.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you're definitely I can see that you're definitely hustling, man.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, man.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's cool.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_05: You just I was watching your trailer project.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just got an enclosed uh trailer.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's been done before.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's been done out of town and and stuff like that, but mobile businesses are going crazy, man.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like food trucks are going crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Their brick and mortar business of uh owning an actual business and being stuck physically at a location is I'm not saying it's dwindling down, but the the mobile businesses are getting a lot more popular, and that's where I want to bring this this these pop-ups and stuff with and incorporate it with my business.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, and uh we're not um desire arts is not just gonna be like um how can you say it like just a pop-up shop.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: I want it to be a a community to bring creatives together, like that's why I started doing these pop-ups.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: I I just started working with the city back in May last year, and they gave me creative freedom to take over Star Street from Chaparral Street to Mesquite Street and and bring in the vendors and the food trucks, and and they're just giving me creative control as an art walk block curator.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I bring in all my own um vendors, my own entertainment, um the food trucks, whoever I want.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then uh yeah, we do it every first Friday.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, we're we're taking a break till March, so we got a month and a half left.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, I just wanted to be like desire arts, I just wanted to be a community-based brand, like like I don't know, like Sullen.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I love Sullen.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: They yeah, they look out for the artists and all the creatives, well, and they feature other artists.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've seen, but they have uh other artists create designs for their shirts.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting that's that's what I want to bring for desire arts in the future, is like have a featured artist for this shirt of the month.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know what I mean, like just showcase other artists, and then um yeah, uh so for the art walks, I I select or I just do like an artist call.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, who wants to do some live painting for the art walk?
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: I got up six walls that y'all could just create.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Do uh it's gonna be live painting.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Y'all come out, y'all paint whatever y'all want, um, and then go from there.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: We just have a good time.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: I have uh, of course, the light painters.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: I got uh a DJ out there, Joseph, uh hyper rhythm hyper rhythm records.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: He goes by Dj Yos, he has some badass mixes, uh old school hip hop and stuff like that.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then we have the breakdancers, shout out Isaac Sanchez.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's been he's been at the every event since like day one.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: I I said, Hey dude, I got this idea, I want to do it.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Would you be willing to like just come out, just enjoy a good time and come out?
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: And dude, he was right there with me.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Boom! Yes, I'm there.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so yeah, man, appreciate you.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, shout out to Isaac.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_05: He was on the he was on my podcast a while back.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_05: I was talking to him.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just listened to that one like two, three days ago.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_05: Cool.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_05: He's really passionate about what he does, man.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_05: That's awesome.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_05: I appreciate it.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, for sure.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_05: So so whenever you have that, whenever you have care of that street right there, do you have to uh attain anything or have anything uh to for the city?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_05: Like, like uh, because I know you have to do like an insure merch insurance or something like that.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_05: You know what I'm saying?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like are there I have to submit my well, I don't have to do it every month now.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but at first I had to submit like the all the licensing and and the permits and stuff to to show that I I've been a part of the community in the past and done vendor stuff.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like when you apply for a vendor spot, you have to submit an application and photos of proof of your work.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: So that's pretty much what I had to do, and then go to some meetings and share the ideas and stuff like that.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, that's cool.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I've been trying, I've been trying to, man, I've been trying to get out there.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_05: It's just uh it's taking time for me to get out there, and you've invited me as well, man.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_05: I'm and I'm it's taking time just to yeah, man.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Whenever you're ready, just shit, just hit me up and I got a spot for you.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, do for real.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_05: That's cool.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've even if it's a couple items of the years, I've had people come out and just have like two canvases and some prints.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: And it was my brother-in-law, actually.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: I I was he does some cool artwork and uh illustrations.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I just so dude, you need to share this artwork to everybody.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's gonna see it unless you share it.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: I like to go by.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I share a lot on my stories and stuff.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I don't do enough.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: I just I want to do more this year, um, of sharing of the creative fucking projects I have going on.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_05: So is that so uh uh with that, is there other like what are other goals for your for I guess for desire arts and maybe for yourself?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_05: For you know what what are some other goals?
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_05: Do you have any further goals for desire arts brand?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this uh I just got this cargo trailer.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I would emphasize it enough.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: I probably just drifted off on the idea of this of this cargo trailer, but I want to have a streetwear artist like shop on wheels with this cargo trailer.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: So right now it's in the backyard.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: I was doing electrical lighting and stuff yesterday, and um yeah, I'm I'm gonna be like just I gutted everything out so I could start fresh.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, just have a mobile pop up shop, uh like a mobile shop to where you could just walk in and out, you know what I mean?
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because I have two barn doors in the back, and then I have a side door, and so the back would be the entrance, the side door would be the exit, and I just want to create an experience on that part, and then probably.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Probably later on.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've heard of it.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: There's this, I have some like bigger goals in the future.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how I'm gonna end these goals, but um there's this place in Austin called the I wanna say the Art Garage or something like that.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: But dude, it's uh it's like um a facility of barns and like warehouses where they have like outside, you wouldn't expect it because it looks like just a warehouse.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well now they have I'm pretty sure they have murals and stuff, but it's like corrugated metal and stuff.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: But um inside it's like an art gallery, and they do parties and and they do pop-ups and they do events over there.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: And obtaining something like that takes a lot, a lot.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: That I'm trying, I'm uh that's the goal for the next 5, 10, 15, I don't know how long it's gonna take, but I want to have an event center to where we could just do pop-ups and parties and events and maybe even concerts and like all sorts of different ideas going on, like the way the art walk grew.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: I want something like that at a location of like a big ass warehouse, pretty much.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, and then start renting out like uh studio space and stuff like that.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, man, dude, that's awesome, dude.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, that's so awesome! Yeah, it's almost like we gotta own stuff.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_05: We got that.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_05: I always I always come back to that, bro.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_05: Like when I talking talking to people in the city, I'm just like, dude, we need to own stuff, we need to own the freaking city to be able to do these things, you know what I mean?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_05: And I mean, we can rent so much, which is fine, you know what I mean, but then there's gotta be a bigger goal.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_05: And I know I'm no, I'm sure there is.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_05: There's other creatives in in town that have you know ideas like that as well, man.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_05: It but I to be able to see it come to life, you know what I mean?
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's the that's the the challenging part.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: I love challenges, yeah.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: And uh it I feel like it makes me work harder and makes me like buckle down and and just go for it, you know what I mean?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, ha has anybody ever tried to like like give you a donation or try to help you out financially?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: I've done like giveaways in that aspect.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like handouts.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I I like to like give back.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like if I'm gonna receive anything, I'm gonna give back.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, I got this uh canvas going or I got this uh whatever going um sticker pack for raffle or giveaways.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know, just yeah everything I make, I I put it back into the business.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like with this trailer, everything was done by the that's how I achieved uh getting the trailer and uh just just saving, saving.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_05: Um that's cool.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_05: So so that so the trailer you got it from your pop-up money, yeah, yeah.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: It was a little rough.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: It was a it was it was rough, it needed a lot of work.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I gutted it out.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and you pay you paid your homie.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_05: What did you pay?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_05: How did you pay your homie?
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh oh, that was my little brother.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no kidding, bro.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: He he's he he does welding.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he went to school for welding for a little bit, but before he went to school, he uh he purchased everything out of pocket.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he bought the welder, he bought the supplies, he bought the materials, everything to start practicing welding.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: And dude, that he is so smart, man.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if he wants to do something, he goes out and and does it just like me.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, on that video, I made a YouTube video about it.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: I just started my YouTube video a couple of months ago.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean uh YouTube channel a couple months ago just showing my projects and stuff.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, but um, yeah, he he did the the welding, like he reinforced the bottom of the trailer with um two by two inch squaring because I I just felt like it wasn't strong, the old metal wasn't strong enough, and plus there was some rust that I found after tearing it apart.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh man, I gotta now I gotta dig deep to tear all this stuff apart.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't looking forward to having some welding anyway.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna do the welding, I don't know much about welding.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know like that stick and poke MIG welding.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's about it.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I I told my brother, hey, I need your help.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like come and help me, I I'll pay you whatever.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh just just let me know.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: So but the the joke to the the YouTube video was uh I'll I'm gonna pay my welder in gum.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I bought a whole bunch of gum from uh HEV and I filled it up in a bowl.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: And at the end, he didn't know, he didn't absolutely had no idea.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: But at the end of the video, I had the bowl covered.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Uh, how much do you want?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: He gave me a price.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Well, I can't pay you in cash, but something for you.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I undid the the bowl, and it was a big old bowl of gum.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a laugh, it was funny.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: He loves gum.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: He he I knew the flavor he liked.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I loved I love the outcome of it and uh the reaction I got from him.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_05: That's awesome, man.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so you gotta save your money.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_05: You definitely do you have like a business plan at all, or do you just kind of are you like piecing it together as you go?
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like just like piecing it together.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like do everything I'm doing is like pretty much the first time I'm doing it.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: So it's all like it's all in like failed attempts and learning from those experiences.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because you're not gonna learn until you do it, right?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like I didn't go to school for art, I just did it, and um I learned from that.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: I got heavily influenced by other artists all around the world, um, even the local artists.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh going out to shows, dude.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: I've gone to multiple, multiple like shows, uh events and stuff like that, live painting, all out of pocket, all out of pocket.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think I got paid two times out of the thousand times I've gone to go do some live painting.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't want to say thousands, but like hundreds and hundreds, you know what I mean?
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, it's all for the love of the game, man.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like it I took a break from art, I want to say like three years ago.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: I just got back into it about two years ago, and then uh when I got back into it, I that's when I created the the shirts.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, dude, I need to do something.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: My cousin was telling me for a long time, like, dude, you need to put your artwork on some shirts because he's been doing Andrew.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: Andrew Kond that he owns uh most rec apparel.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, shout out most rec.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, shout out, shout out.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: He's the one that was bugging me and bugging me.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, dude, you need to put your artwork on on some t-shirts, man.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'll help you.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'll help you.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: So after hearing that for several years, I was like, oh, okay, fine.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Let me do this, let me do this.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_05: Uh has it so is that working for you?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_05: Like um uh putting them on t-shirts?
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, uh I got a lot of good feedback.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, uh lot of good feedback.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: I what I'm lacking on is actually making like commercial, not commercials, but like ads and and little I guess you can call them.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_05: Like market, like market it, like so.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh doing photo shoots and stuff like that.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: I've never done that, I've just done like quick little clips and stuff like that on uh on my phone here at home, pressing them.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: I know you you do the pressing too, right?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I I love that idea of like controlling your inventory.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, hell yeah.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_05: Having all that backed up inventory when we don't have the customer flow of like yeah, helping it move, it's it's hard, it's hard because I I'm still stuck with some designs where I thought like yeah, design's gonna blow up that everybody's gonna love this, and that's I think yeah, so I think that's what's good about like the selling it online.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_05: I I mean, I guess you can kind of gauge it that way because you can see what people are buying, and then if I do when I do decide to go do a pop-up, I at least know more or less what the people like, and I can you know bring that out or whatever, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_05: That's cool.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, man.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_05: I love I dig your designs.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_05: I I actually bought for me one time uh some stickers.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: You I don't know if you you thought it was I don't know if you knew it was me, but I bought it, I didn't uh until until you like shared it on your Instagram.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like a t-shirt and a hat or something.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_05: No, it's all good, man.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's all good.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: I like your idea of of giving out like free merch to like share the the brand, you know what I mean?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: I need to start doing that.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: I did that with um canvas giveaways and sticker giveaways, and uh I was doing these these um these merch packs for a little bit when I first started up on the brand.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um not first started up, but like getting back into it.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: I would put I would make a little clip of putting like different items in a bag, um, like quick little edits and stuff.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, here's a sticker, here's a pen, here's a coaster, here's a print.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I would make that video and then go find a spot around town, like a landmark, I guess you can say.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen some of those.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then put it put it there and be like, okay, it's an Easter or it's a scavenger hunt, y'all go, hurry up, boom.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then um, I was getting a lot of cool feedback from that.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: I need to do that again.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Nice after I did the little merch bag, I did a canvas giveaway.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I painted a mural on a wall, I put five canvases up, blank canvases, and then I painted a mural over those over that wall, and then that those five canvases made one, I guess you can say piece, connected piece.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah, I I did a a scavenger hunt on that too, and put those around town.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody went crazy, like a lot of people crazy.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was cool.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: I need to do that again.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so yeah, just sharing and sharing and sharing.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_05: That's what I need to do more about so that so that was like a a marketing, was that a marketing tech?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it was a marketing thing.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, just to share my artwork and give something back.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's that's that's exactly why I do the giveaways.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, to to help bring brand awareness, uh yeah, brand awareness.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's the word I was looking for, brand awareness.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, definitely brand awareness.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, I was doing it on Facebook, but I wouldn't get anybody to respond to the giveaways until Facebook came out with that feature where if you add followers, it'll sh it'll it'll uh send a notification.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: A mass uh shout out, yeah.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_05: And like and I and I get them, I get them from the the pages that I follow, but they're like not posts that I want to see.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like it's like spam.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_05: So whenever I send them that, it's a giveaway, and then they're more likely to, I think they're more likely to like enter the givea giveaways.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_05: I need which I did this this last giveaway.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Facebook, there was like more than like five or six entries, which before I was getting like two entries on Facebook.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, uh, so that that's definitely helping out, man.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, that's yeah, controlling my inventory.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_05: I do the same thing.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it helps a lot.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: I use uh like heat transfer.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um they're not it's not really vinyl, it's like just um heat transfers, I guess you could say.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: I I get them online, and then there's a couple shops in town that I get them from as well.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, nice.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: Some of them are full color and stuff like that.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_05: That's pretty cool, man.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's awesome, dude.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_05: This is cool, it's a cool conversation, man.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_05: Appreciate you coming on.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, I've I've always seen your brand out there, and then I'm like, dude, that's a cool ass, like I appreciate that.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: I I thought it was a full t.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you do it alone.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Do you do it alone, or you got your sibling, or I mean it's all it's basically yeah, it's all me, man.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_05: It's basically all me.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_05: My my wife, she helps me kind of like ship the packages and stuff like that.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, uh, and like to hear that coming from an actual artist, like I'm like, oh shoot, for real.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_05: I don't, dude.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_05: The way I design my stuff is I get I piece together different elements that I find online.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_05: So I'll just put it on uh uh I use Affinity Designer, I'll just you know, whatever I think looks cool, I'll find a skull here or like a sunburst or whatever there, and I'll just put it together and I'll use the font that I like, and I just put it together like that.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_05: Like people think it's like I've like I'm an artist or whatever.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, dude, I'm gonna see a truck driver, I don't know nothing about that.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and I and I have I have been wanting to reach out to other artists to to like design for me, um, especially like local artists like yourself.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_05: I was actually gonna message you uh like if you wanted to like maybe do a a design for for us, we'll pay we'll commission you for it, you know what I mean?
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_05: Then we'll put the design on the shirt or whatever, you know.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that'd be a cool idea.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but yeah, I just do it.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, oh go for no, like I said, I'm I'm gonna be choosing my commissions or or other people's uh projects very slimly this year because dude, for the past i in the past, I was having a lot of time taken away from my projects that I wanted to accomplish.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I since I'm a mechanic, I was uh doing a lot of side jobs as well.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow and dude, that's it takes a lot of time.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was even after work, I would come after work at like one in the morning and then work on a car, try to finish it for the morning so that I could pick it up in the morning, you know, and that's a lot of sleepless nights, and then yeah, uh I was just tired.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know what?
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: I I want to do art, art's making me happy.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: I want to do that more, finish some projects, and then do that a lot more.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, man.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I'm open, I'm open to to do a commission for y'all.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: That would be fun.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: That would be really fun.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know if I'm in the uh in the boat yet for a collaboration because my brand is like still trying to climb the ranks of getting some some traction, I guess you can say.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, uh I think it would be cool to do a little commission for that.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like you commission, like you can even put like your you know how like artists they put their their signature at the bottom or whatever.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_05: Just put at the bottom the artwork is by this person, you know what I mean?
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_05: It's it it helps, I think it helps both of us, it helps both brands.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_05: Uh you know, uh brand awareness, you know what I mean?
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it helps people locally too.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_05: A person that such as yourself that's you know hustling locally, uh, if it helps them out, that's cool too.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but yeah, yeah.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, that that sounds like a fun idea.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, definitely.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_05: I I love the graffiti, dude.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_05: I bought the borracha or the borracho.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_05: No, borracho.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_05: No, it was I think it was the borracha with the like the little wine glass, yeah.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: With the wine glass and the and the roses on her head.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: Day of the dead, a Did Delos Matos festival was coming up, and I was like, Oh, dude, because that's my favorite event.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: I love going to, especially for vending and stuff like that, because there's really good um traction over there, man.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've been have you been to one of those festivals.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_05: I've been invited, man.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_05: I'm telling you, I'm trying to, I'm trying to get there, dude.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_05: I'm working on it.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_05: I'm working on it.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: That event is awesome.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there's so much going on with the city.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's music, there's multiple different like uh uh stages of music.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's a lot of like entertainment going on, there's uh face painting, there's other there's I've met a lot of awesome uh creatives over there, vendors that that do other artwork, and they're not even from Corpus.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of them come to Corpus from out of town because they love the traffic flow that we have for this festival.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, and yeah, there's a lot.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: I sh I don't even remember how many vendors there was over like 200 or 300.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_05: Nice.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_05: And it's downtown.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: So is it like um like the art walk area or or uh it's yeah, it's in the in the it's in the same area as the art walk, like a big uh big old block party, and they block off multiple roads.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how many, but it it's huge, like the art walk.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well in uh like the block party sense, yeah, where they block off the roads.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's nice, yeah.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_05: So I know the art walk, and I don't know that one.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_05: Is it is there any what other why I saw you at the jazz festival too, right?
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the I was over there at the jazz festival.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: That was my first time last year at the jazz festival.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: I've always told myself I wanted to do that, even though it's a three-day event.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: But a long weekend, man.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was pooped at that.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_05: And I saw you change so you changed your layout like once or twice.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: So my layout first was like uh an L-shape inside where you had to physically go underneath the the canopy to walk in.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: The first day was busy, but for my my booth, it I felt like people were intimidated to walk inside for some reason.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: I I I like to take like mental notes and and that was one of the things I saw within like the first three, four hours.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: And the dude, the event was crazy, it was packed, it was really packed.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: There was just a lot of people standing outside, like reading, and then looking inside, like, hey, come on, y'all come in, y'all check it out.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, here's a free sticker, you just come on.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, it was and then once we changed the layout that second day, that's when we're we saw dramatic difference.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, Wow, that's crazy.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: So so it's crazy for like something that small can make a huge difference, like a setup or or the way you present um the table, right?
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like the way you organize your your items on the table.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: If if you're too cluttered, I've felt that way too.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: I I've had some feedback like that too, where oh, they had too much stuff.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like I've heard like whispers, oh man, it's it's too much, it's too much, like overwhelmed, you know what I mean?
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like looking, like, oh, they gotta look at the walls, the table, the walls behind us, the other table.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, because I got a lot of items.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so you say uh so I've seen the their coasters, right?
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_05: You got the coasters, and then you have what what is it, 10 by 10 prints or 8x8?
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: I got eight by 10 prints, I got 12 by 16 prints, and then 13 by 19 prints.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I got a whole bunch of different sizes of prints.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and um yeah, I just collaborated with uh laser engraver.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he we collabed on I think it was like six months ago, and we were just pushing out ideas like oh dude, we could do this, we could do that.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think the first item we did was like coasters, but they were the shape of roses.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have them in here, they're in they're in the um the storage right now.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but um, they were the shape of the rose stickers.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: Remember those I have?
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: So he did those cutouts on acrylic and then glued the acrylic to wood, and then engraved he it was like multi-layers of crazy.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: It was cool.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, that's awesome, man.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I've seen it online, the laser engraving, and then one seeing it in person, it's like, whoa, dude, capabilities, and yeah, and you so and you make the you make most of these like acrylic uh so you make most of this stuff, right?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: I make everything in house, yeah.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_05: That's cool.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: Is in-house, um, I I don't sew the shirts together, but uh all the designs are handmade.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: The coasters, I order them blank, and then I put my designs on them, put the cork on them.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: I order the cork.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, everything, everything's all done in-house.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_05: Um in doing it that way, do you find yourself saving money that way, as opposed to somebody else making them for you?
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um I've never really like ventured off to outsource items like that.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I can't give you an answer for that.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_05: Is it is it is it because of that, or you're just you'd rather do it yourself?
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'd rather do it myself.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh, I'd rather do the quality control, like control my like quality.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: If if it's something that because I'm real particular with the items that I'm I'm selling, like, dude, this is my artwork.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: I work hard for this.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, if if I'm like selling it and you're paying your good, like hard-earned money, I want to give you the best product that I can possibly give you.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I like seeing I I know these are old, but if you can see like all these little white marks, that's just the paint that was peeling from the the things clashing on the table.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I go back every I go back on every single one of those um those coasters or items, canvases, whatever, and I I touch every single one up by hand or or do quality control.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, if it's not up to my par, then I take them out of the the inventory.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_05: Does your does your is there any complaints that your wife has about your side business?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh she tells me a lot that I work.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: I work too much, so I I try to like uh balance that that uh the workflow, the art flow, and you know what I mean?
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so there there has been irritations on her end.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I guess that's normal.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then my daughter too, like, Dad, get off your canvas or get stop spending so much time on.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's like Yeah.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_05: My daughter's the same way, like she doesn't see me at all.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_05: I'm at work, and then I get home, I'm like, babe, I gotta make some t-shirts for the customers.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_05: She's like, Oh, okay.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_05: She's like, Are you done with making t-shirts?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_05: And then can you play now?
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, in that sense, I try to uh have my how old is your daughter?
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: She's eight.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Eight.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I try to on on my end, like I have multiple designs of these coasters.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: I probably have like 30 different designs or 20 different designs, and I try to make it into like an organization thing, like, okay, uh Zoe, we need to we need to get all these coasters out, and we need to do inventory.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_06: So nice.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: You just need to you need to match these up.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: Let's play the matching game.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I had my little my little labor worker right there.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you put it at work, yeah, yeah.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: But she thinks it's fun.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, we're we're gonna spend time together, but we're also gonna work.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna work.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool, man.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good idea.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_05: I should start doing that.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: When we got stickers, we because I make those the sticker packs like uh the ones you bought.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we I have a little tub of of stickers.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we gotta get each one of these stickers and we gotta put them in these plastic sheets, and then you're gonna hand the plastic sheet to me, and then I'm gonna staple them together, and then we put them in a box.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: I try to make it like an evolving game and stuff like that.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_05: That's a good idea, man.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_05: I that's a really good idea, yeah.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: So you make your stickers or um um, no, I make the designs, but I outsource them.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I do the same thing.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: I get them from uh a few different companies in town, and then uh also online as well.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, cool, man.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_05: I was wanting to get my man, but for the sticker making stickers is expensive to get the the kind of quality that I want.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_05: You know, if all if I get the machines, it's like thousands of dollars.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh dude, I'm not I'm not trying to get the whole machine, yeah.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_05: And then and then it's it's the same thing with embroidery, the freaking embroidery machines are like 15,000.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, yeah, that's a small car, bro.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: I know they're equipment is expensive, yeah.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and that's what that's that I think I thought it was cool because I found the heat press idea, which it wasn't as opposed to screen printing.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_05: Shoot, man, those those screen print machines are expensive too.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they are even even like just to do four colors or three colors with the screen printing, you don't have to necessarily get the whole like wheel and stuff like that.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: You could do it on a just like a single, yeah, yeah, a single one and just change them out and stuff like that, but still that's a lot of room, and then you gotta make the the I forgot the sheets or whatever of each layer for you.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_05: It's just the then the different types of ink.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_05: You get the you're talking about the the emotion where you put the emotion and then you have to burn it on the onto the screen.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a whole learning curve that you have a whole bunch, yeah.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I was gonna try that route.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, nah, and then I started researching more, and then I found the heat press and then the heat transfers, and I was like, I'm just gonna go this route, which they're I mean they're good.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_05: I think they're good quality, you know.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I haven't.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: These are this oh, wrong way, yeah, right here, and then the big old design on the back.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and I have had no issues, there's no cracking or nothing, no fading, nothing like that.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not trying to down downplay like screen printing.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: I know screen printing's been around for many, many, many years.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: But the dude, the heat transfers are catching up, like they're they're quality.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who you use, but um the quality that I've been getting and doing the wash trial test and stuff like that, like yeah, have had no issues.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: The I think the shirts gonna start tearing away before the transfers.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_05: That's so crazy.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_05: Wash testing it.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_05: So I use super color, yeah.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_05: Same here, same here.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_05: Super color, and uh super color, and then I used uh Howard Custom Transfers.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, well, I mean, the the the I think the price was better than the quality, you know what I mean?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_05: Oh you know what I mean, but and the as a so that does it for the single white prints, and then I uh for some other clients I had done for I was using uh transfer express.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so the uh the quality from Transfer Express is good, it but it's a little bit more pricier, I think, composed to that uh to the Howard.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but but yeah, it's that's pretty cool, man.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_05: That's awesome, dude.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_05: Well, hey, is there anything else you want to share, man?
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_05: Appreciate you coming on.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't, I don't know.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: I I sell a lot, I rambled off a lot.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_05: So nah, I think I think if somebody wants to get to know you and they listen to this, they'll they'll learn a lot, dude.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, but yeah.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: I just started a YouTube channel, it's uh desire arts dz-i-r-arts on YouTube.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if y'all would like to go see like the full process of a uh all of my projects, I share a lot of quick clips on Instagram and TikTok um of like the projects that I'm doing, but they're like quick clips, like it's not the behind the scenes type stuff that I do on YouTube.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_05: So, so okay, so you you got the YouTube channel.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, this is for I guess more exposure, would you say, or okay?
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: So uh exposure and also sharing the in-depth, like kind of behind the scenes of the projects that I'm doing and me like explaining how to go about the process.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_05: So it's like a teacher, like a teaching.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I'm not really trying to teach.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_05: I was gonna so I was gonna say, like, do you have like that kind of uh like uh are you like that?
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_05: Like you want to share uh knowledge with people so that they can learn how to do it, yeah.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: My knowledge and my um experiences that I've I've learned throughout the years, yeah.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then not being afraid to take challenges.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's because like with this trailer I was explaining earlier, I've never done anything like this.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know cut carpentry, I don't know home electricity.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh everything I've learned is on like YouTube or asking questions.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: I ask a lot of questions to a lot of people that have been in the field for a lot longer.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and like, hey, what do you think about this?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: Or or even with art designs too, like shirt designs, I've asked other local like um businesses.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um when I was first doing the shirts, hey, what type of material is a good material that that y'all have been using, or y'all have been getting like a lot of good feedback.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I I like to pick brains of other like creatives and stuff like that.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's being heavily influenced by everything around me, and then I try to funnel it down to my my projects or what awesome.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_05: So we can find you at YouTube.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_05: Uh you I know you got Instagram, you got uh, so you got desire arts, right?
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then you got your own your personal well, desire arts is like more graffiti, heavy, heavy graffiti type stuff, and then desire arts is more of like the art uh apparel and then the business side of it with um uh other other like contemporary art type stuff.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_05: That's cool.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_05: So you so you separated the two.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_05: It's awesome.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, do you use Facebook or TikTok at all?
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_05: I know you use TikTok.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I use Facebook, it's Adrian Soundable.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh it's I think it's the thumbnail, that's my my photo on Facebook and Instagram, and then TikTok is Desire Arts Brand.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I do on TikTok, it's a lot more like quick clips of the upcoming projects and then the finished projects, too.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was doing TikTok real heavy um last year, but it got overwhelming.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_05: Well, it's it it seems like your brand is not like the the thing I like about your brand is that it can it's not just locally for corpus like mine, like it can be nationwide, you know what I mean.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: I want I want it to be more of a like a streetwear brand.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: I hopefully in the future I could get it to where it's at like a brick and mortar store, like a or uh some type of uh shop like that, and and and just share the the community.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: I I want it to be like a community thing, like um like Sullen has or like a I don't one of those other streetwear brands like a Supreme or something like that, and just build a community around there, like it's for all type of creatives.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like in the future, I want to bring um, yeah, just present other creatives like uh like maybe do a podcast like you're doing.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I'm sharing this creative person in town or uh across the fucking country or something like that.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, bro.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_05: I could see it like like you could be talking about your art, like how you what what paint you use, how you use this angle, you know what I mean?
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, dude, people would people in that industry would eat that up, bro.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't want it to be strictly just for like painters and artists like that.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: I want it to be for all creatives, all type of creatives, like the hip scene, the breakdancing, the the the music, the all types of um the haircut, the barbers, the salon, like every creative, all types of um sorry, it's the coffee coming back up.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um all types of creatives, like everything we do that we get lost in time, and we have that Zen moment.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: I know you feel it sometimes where you just close your eyes and it's like you become one with your instrument, like I become one with my art tool, you know what I mean, or my spray can or whatever, and it's like a second to nature where you just just do it, and you're not even thinking, like like you just get lost in time, and then you forget to drink water, or you forget to eat, or you forget what time it is, and that's what I think about when I think about desire arts.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's awesome, man.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: Building that type of community, yeah, dude.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_05: Man, that's a big goal.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_05: That's awesome, too, man.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_05: You so and you have a website.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_05: Um, what would it do?
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Desire Arts Brand.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_05: Desire Arts Brand, man.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_05: Dude, best of luck to you.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_05: That's oh, this is some awesome goals, man.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_05: That's awesome.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_05: That's so awesome.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I gotta go, man.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_05: My freaking uh my wife's out the house for a minute, so she's gonna come back and rec shop.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_05: I appreciate you, man.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, thanks for coming on.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_05: The uh you got anything else before we go?
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's about it, man.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's about it.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: We should catch up sometime, talk uh yeah, some designs or or even just more of a conversation.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, good idea, man.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_05: Good idea.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_05: Appreciate you, man.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_05: You have a good one.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_05: You too.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_08: Meet Keith, loving dad, board game champ, bus driving pro.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_00: I drive 65,000 miles in my bus each year.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: If people knew what I know, miles could be saved.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how they are something I simply can't see.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_00: On my route the other day, a car tried to sleep past me and ends up right in my mind.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: I turn slowly, I can avoid it.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_07: Stay for you.